>>23547323

If we can make one, a collar of some sort, a rope or set of handcuffs, mirror, all the other standard mind-intrusion foci.

Maybe some other D/S stuff for the actual mind-fucking?

>>23547323
>http://pastebin.com/kGcy4Hpj

Got a present for you, Femcock. It's been a while since my last BFQ fapfic, but sadly real life does not respect my desire to sit around writing porn all day...

>>23547323
>foci
some wire and needle-nose pliers

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=blatant+fetish+quest
The previous thread is now archived. Remember to vote it up.

>>23547323
Drain lunch. For foci:
Entering: stuff we used before
Mental reprogramming: copies of stuff we used before plus a piece of chain, shiny nickle (hypnosis and all),

>>23547363
Oooh, thank you very much.

>>23547323
Eraser, blank paper, permanent marker, string for binding, blood and bullet for loyalty. Write what we want on the paper in the word.

>>23547323
well for the editing we need a dildo a gag some sort of hand cuffs not her current ones, maybe right up a fake slave contract, our and dads cum for both steps obviously. a collar a hammer for smashing her mind,

>>23547323
Okay, we need two sets of Foci. The first, for entering her mind, something along the lines of a mirror, a paper collar, some Incubus semen, a condom, and another red-hoodied paper doll. Same as we used last time.

For modifying her we'll want pretty much the same stuff, maybe a piece of broken mirror instead. And also a length of rope or something whiplike, a few links of chain, a Sandwich for Lunch (though I prefer the name Hirumeshi or Hirume), a coin for hypnosis.

Consult with Dad on if we can keep her Magic while still ensuring loyalty and that she can't undo it.

For recovery doubleteam Breakfast with Dad, we both need some.

>>23547363
Oh, I hadn't seen you made the third one. That's two things to get off to tonight.

>>23547323
Drain lunch

For foci
>More wank
>Some tools
>Some of Breakfast's spit
>A wrench
>Toothbrush / scrubbing brush
>Steel wool
>brain diagram
>the things in >>23547400
>rope
>if we still have the vamp lord blood rags get those

>>23547402
>a dildo a gag some sort of hand cuffs
Keep in mind we need to actually acquire these things. The only dildoes we have are Gaviscon's and Liz's, unless I'm mistaken, and we probably don't have the others.

>>23547418
>Drain lunch
>before rewriting her mind
I like this idea very much.

>>23547323
To recover both us and Dad can Drain Kaoru/Lunch/Hirumeshi, it'll make sure she doesn't get up and resist.

Liz/Lin can watch this part, Liz can join in with her Dildo if she wants, and Lin can masturbate and/or take picture for posterity.

Make sure Breakfast isn't down here for this, she might not take it right.

>>23547323
Oh, get something of Liz's, like a shoe, to show who's in charge under us.

>>23547377
have you noticed that the threat rating seems to be slowly declining as you go down the archive?
Is this because we're becoming blasé about voting or is there another reason? The popularity of the quest certainly hasn't declined.

>>23547418
>some kind of mold (the kind for forming shapes not fungi)
>brain picture
>a chain
>another redhoodie paper doll with a chunk of its head gone

>>23547458
>Make sure Breakfast isn't down here for this, she might not take it right.
Yes this

>>23547475
I'm sure there are fewer people following now than at the very beginning, maybe fewer people voting, and we're averaging four downvotes now when before it was just two or three.

>>23547416
Happy to help.

When we get around to rebuilding her, make her a masochist. Because Liz is going to have angry, angry sex with her.

>>23547517
This is what generally happens, it doesn't help that some people trawl the archive for things to downvote weeks after the threads are posted either.

>>23547475
That happens to a lot of quests that run for a while and there are a lot of reasons for it typically. My guess is that at least some of the people who don't post much or at all but still upvoted the quest gradually dropped off.

>>23547517
I've stopped upvoting.
The earlier threads were cool, but with so little content and so much bullshit per thread now, I feel like it hardly deserves it.

a leash and collar

We should use the tengu's true name to see if it's still alive. There is no reason not to be really fucking careful here.

>>23547543
Of course. Make her get off from being whipped, spanked, called a miserable dirty slut, all of the stuff that Liz is planning on doing to her.

Making her turned on by shame and embarrassment as well but make her love it too much to object.

>>23547582
Right, we should have done this right after the teleport+nuke at that. Make sure it's dead before we screw with her mind.

>>23547574
If you hate the quest, why are you still here?

>>23547641
The quests still get regularly upvoted into Epic, you know? Just because you don't think it's that good doesn't mean that you don't like it.

So, the consensus sounds like draining Lunch to recover?

>>23547641
I don't hate the quest. I still read the archive.
I just hate all the inane bickering that occupies 90% of the threads.

>>23547669
yes

>>23547669
Will we actually get any energy out of her if she's brain-dead at present though?

>>23547669
Yup. Get Dad in on it as well, and Liz if she's feeling up for it, we need to give her new dildo a test-run anyways and breaking our newest slut in is a good start.

It may be wise for dad to use his last point of con drain to try and find out if the Bird is still alive something like a visual search for him something that will take only a small amount of successes and be hard to resist like a simple scrying.

>>23547669
The rape train has no breaks.

>>23547669
i guess but Liz Gits furs go

>>23547669
Ummm... I guess we aren't even considering not making her a fuck toy are we?

>>23547766
Liz gets the pussy, taking her virginity if she's a virgin, we take the ass, Dad throatfucks her?

Mental note, after mindbreak have Dad remove her ability to have kids.

>>23547702
Also it would be sexier if she's awake. But can we wake her up?

>>23547779
no

>>23547779
No.
As has been reiterated many times before, this is Blatant Fetish Quest.
And she attacked us, leading to this situation.

>>23547779
Why would we do that?

>>23547779
That's kind of the point of Lunch. Having more girls to drain is helpful for us, our Dad, and Selene will want it eventually and we won't be able to comfortably support all three of us on just Breakfast.

And she started it.

>>23547813
She's mindbroken right now, also Breakfast might freak out if we actually rape her while she's awake.

>>23547813
No, it fucking wouldn't

>>23547779
I'm not sure I understand the question...

>>23547813
Might be possible given time for her to recover from the mindbullet we used on her, but that'd take a while and it'd be inconvenient, and her being awake makes this whole activity harder.

Besides, she might still unconsciously twitch and moan in ecstasy as we fuck her, which'll be great.

>>23547669
Get breakfast to play with Selene in the meditation room if Lin isn't using it.

>>23547865
>her being awake makes ... harder.
We draw nearer to the point.

>>23547669
Will she be able to give us energy if she's unconcious? If she can then yeah, full steam ahead.

>>23547961

o u

>>23547961
Hey remember when Max got all upset that she had to rape Liz? No, no fucking screaming rape.

>>23547979
Actually that's a good point. Since we need the mortal to push energy out to us, if she's in a state where she can't react then it won't work.

>>23547961
Let's not, it will freak out Breakfast, and possibly Max, and Liz might not like it either.

>>23547998
>raping Liz, someone we love and care about
>even remotely comparable to raping an enemy
The next time you want to post, think a little harder first.

>>23548021
Why would Breakfast and Liz be present?

While we are resting we should Talk to Liz about the changes and also ask Lin what she thinks and make sure she understands we think of her as family two I am worried she feels excluded based on the way she said some things a thread or two back.

>>23547669

Yep! lets use our box of sorcery and some dice to transfer some energy to our tired out allies, though.

Breakfast doesn't need to be present...

>>23548032
Nope, Max and every damn character involved are not pro rape.

I vote against rape. There will be plenty of violent, screaming sex with her later.

"Let's use Lunch to recharge," you suggest. "She should have plenty of energy to take, and there's a certain poetic irony to using her own energy to remake her."

"Are you sure that's a good idea?" your dad asks. "I'm not sure whether or not her mind is still in total shock. If it is, she won't even be able to do the most basic of responses, like an unconscious or sleeping person can. That would mean that we wouldn't be able to drain from her. If she is partially recovered, though, there's the risk of her surprising us by, I don't know, biting our ear off, or something. It seems safer just to use Breakfast - I doubt she would mind needing to take a nap."

What's your response?

>>23548063
We do not know how to do this...

>>23548166
>Rope
>Ice water

Continue the plan.

>>23548166
Breakfast it is.

>>23548166
That sounds reasonable, let's use Breakfast.

>>23548166
Sounds entirely reasonable

>>23548166
yea no, this is a fuckign stupid idea, don't recharge from lunch

>>23548189
>>23548200
why must this quest at its most crucial moments be filled with catastrophic morons

>>23548200
To be clear, I'm advocating draining breakfast

>>23548166
>"Let's use Lunch to recharge,"
>i go for lunch and come back to you people being idiots
why would you people even think that was a good idea?

>>23548166
"We've been draining Breakfast a lot lately, but if we can't drain from Lunch there's little point to it, and she looked pretty out of it last time we looked. "

Do Breakfast then.

>>23548166
No need to risk injury. Breakfast it is.

>>23548166

Fair enough

>>23548166
Why is the full-blooded incubus always the buzzkill?

>>23548273
because the full-blooded incubus' advice is Femcocks way of the Gm saying: Are you sure you want to do that?

>>23548273
BECAUSE HE IS INFINITELY SMARTER THAN YOUR PATHETIC EXCUSE OF AN INTELLIGENCE

>>23548177

Manipulating Energy is the domain of Sorcery, which is why i suggested it!
Its not something we need to naturally know how to do, its something we apply magic to to achieve

>>23548273
Because he's a millenia-old Adonis instead of a teenager with poor judgement and an overactive sex drive.

>Not secretly leaving a trigger word in her head that reverts her mind back to pre-modification for ten minutes only, just so that she can sometimes actually comprehend what you've done to her for attacking you

>Not segmenting a tiny portion of her mind without the modification that has no access to actual decision-making faculties so that a tiny part of her will always know the results of her foolish attack on us

>>23548166
Yep, using Breakfast it is. Though it might take longer cause we have to wait for her to recover.

>>23548324
>Not making catastrophically bad decisions that will get us fucked over

>>23548324
I'm not sure that's even within our abilities.

>>23548309
we could just as easily fry our allies that way

>>23548273
Because the full blooded incubus has become max's surrogate conscience sinse while Liz is turned to the dark, revengy side...

>>23548324
That's just cruel. And dangerous.

>>23548343
>>23548324
If the trigger language was in the Word, would that work? Would her inability to recognize it as meaningful make it not a valid trigger, or would the purely magical nature of it cause the thing to work fine?

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Oh, so this is the game that's sent all of /q/ into a fit again?
Hm, looks pretty cool for what it is.

Polite sage for pointless meta.

>>23548324
That is just unnecessarily evil, and would definitely come back to bite us in the ass.

>>23548309
Which is why we could use some theory and practical testing (with non-explosive elementals or bats or something) before we try it on Liz.

>>23548376
>Would her inability to recognize it as meaningful make it not a valid trigger,
Yes.

>>23548324
no that is stupid, it's a risk that we shouldn't take

>>23548386
Someone started another thread on /q/ about this? What's this one about?

This isn't really the time, right now, but have we discussed yet the possibility of creating a loyal, modified backup Max brain somewhere in somebody's head, that could be activated/accessed in an emergency? In case we were mentally broken, or captured. A sort of guided missile of skills and information.

>>23548324
Way to big a security risk.

>>23548415
We did, if we survive til second circle and learn how to do this without killing ourselves while cloning our mind or frying the host we're foisting it upon, then we probably will do something like this. We might get to see.

>>23548396
So?

>>23548412
Calling for mods and decrying that janitor getting fired. Lots of rose tinted glasses

>>23548415
This would be awesome for an "in case we die" if it worked how I hope it would, even if it probably wouldn't.
As a matter of fact, it would be the best way to explain the change of perspective in-story that Fem has planned for if Max dies, along with the grudge against whoever kills Max that the players would, no doubt, hold.

>>23548412
>>>/q/457183
Just the usual "/tg/ is shit now, bring the mod back, the mod was horrible, /tg/ was always shit" stuff.

>>23548488
That grudge will depend on whether max's death is at the hands of another character or player stupidity...

>>23548415
Yin and Yang have done basically this, the only thing we'd need to figure out beyond that is some way for the mind of ours to detect when we die, and take over.

>>23548560
Are yin and yang second or third circles? I can never remember...

>>23548577

Thought they were fourth

>>23548600
No, I'm pretty sure they're not that high. That's Dane's level.

>>23548397
>Which is why we could use some theory and practical testing (with non-explosive elementals or bats or something) before we try it on Liz.

This sounds like a plan! put it on the to-do list! we can try it against breakfast next time we're not about to die

>>23548577
Pretty sure they're in the bottom half of third

>>23548610
Why do you want to kill breakfast again? I keep forgetting.

>>23548610
Test potentially lethal energy transfer method we make up on the fly on adorable Latina pet? Nope

>>23548415
We could also hide some inert duplicates of our memories and personality that someone could use to restore us if our mind is destroyed.

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>>23548498
Gotta love how it went so far as to question /tg/'s ability to make OC.
Kinda sad, really.
>>23548412
Quests in general and how terrible people who play them are.

"Okay, let's go drain Breakfast," you agree. "Better safe than sorry, right?"

"Absolutely, Max," your dad says. The both of you ascend the tower until you find Breakfast relaxing with Gaviscon in one of the sitting rooms. You pull her aside and make quick work - you're trying to get energy, not have fun.

Roll Soul to drain energy from Breakfast. I'll consider the first four linked 1d100 rolls.

>>23548610
>>23548681
Once we have living alchemy, we can create backup copies of Max's body and keep them in storage until we need to upload a backup personality into one of them.

>>23548669
>>23548635
>>23548397

Its not lethal - you're just saying it is. Minor applicatinos of magic dont kill people all the time.

Saying its lethal without knowing it, or having tried it, is like saying brainscanning someone is lethal when we CLEARLY do that all the time without accidental harm (deliberate, on the other hand).

So yea, lets try it

Rolled 77

>>23548693

Rolled 48

>>23548693
Enchantment!

Would it be possible/advantageous to keep Lunch going to classes? Her society would know something's up but otherwise it should be fine, right?

Rolled 99

>>23548693
The rape train has hit the brakes

Rolled 27

>>23548693

All RIGHT, lets get down to dirty business.

>>23548705
It's potentially lethal, we don't really know until we try. Hence why it's better to try on something we don't care about first.

>>23548718
>>23548725
You're god damn right we're good at fucking.

>things finally happening again
>I have to go to class now
Dammit.

>>23548560

That could be as simple as setting up a small mental block that dissipates when we're dead/and or mentally incapacitated for a sufficient period of time. Didnt the vampire lords obedience overrides basically do that after he died?

>>23548705
We were, however, taught to brains can people, and brain scanning itself is passive. Energy transfer is active, we know nothing about it and as of yet have found no one to teach us to do it safely. A botch will fuck us up, and a crit (5+ successes) may well have us draining max to death on her first try. So find someone to teach us before we do this shit, ok?

>>23548415
I'm not sure it even needs to be stored in an mind as long as we dont want it to do anything on its own if we made a backup in an object and told dad where it was then we get mind-raped he can use the stored copy as a saved state to reload it. Plus if we die and someone decides to risk bringing us back (cough Liz Cough) then we only need intense rehab to bring our body and maybe soul stats back to normal as well as probably re-enchant ouresllf.

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>>23548718
>>23548725
You restore a fair bit of energy from her and, you assume, your father does as well. She curls up and goes to sleep with Gaviscon once you finish. "Ready to get to work, then?" your dad asks. "Before we start, we should probably plan what we actually want to do to her. Do you want to start planning now or get Liz into the discussion first?"

What's your response?

Also, that /q/ thread makes a really good point; the actual Scholomance threads don't have nearly enough in the way of votes. They should really be voted much higher than any of these quest threads, because they're absolutely fantastic:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Scholomance

So let me try and get this straight, have we or have we not fully Lunchified our captive in my absence?

>>23548819
They haven't even started.

>>23548810
Let's get Liz involved in this discussion.

>>23548723
Family almost certainly knows about her spirits death. That said, I do want to keep her around as a foci production slave

>>23548810
Good point, off to vote.

We should get Liz involved but I think we should just make her servile to us and unable to hurt us, and change nothing else. Except maybe add the masochism like somebody suggested.

>>23548819

We just now got rid of some drain so that Lunchification can begin.

>>23548810

Yeah, let's get Liz's input in the matter. We have a pet, maybe she could have one too.

>>23548819
not yet, we in the midst of planning how to best lunchify her now

>>23548810
Get Liz.

>>23548819
We just recharged on Breakfast to get the enchant boxes to start on Lunchification.

>>23548810
Get Liz, of course.

>>23548810
>"Before we start, we should probably plan what we actually want to do to her. Do you want to start planning now or get Liz into the discussion first?"
obedience, loyalty, submissive, the rest is undetermined at this point

>>23548819
No, we haven't even started. She's just unconscious, we're getting going now.

>>23548810
Get Liz, I want to hear what she thinks

>>23548723
no it would not it would let her family track us

>>23548819
We are just about to, as evidenced by the post immediately before yours.
>>23548810
Get Liz in on the discussion, obviously. She's going to be doing just as much as we are, and it would be rude to leave her out.

>>23548810
Get liz. Push foci slave and general slave.

>>23548723
We could take her to class if she stays with us, there's probably minimal risk. But it would be provoking her society and family too much and identifying us as the one that got her. It's not worth it, in my opinion.

>>23548810

Liz gets to take the Lead.

She wants to break her for us, what right do we have to deny her this pleasure?

Liz can break her, and then we can tie Liz up and give her a nice, big, hard reward for doing so.

>>23548723
That would be the worst idea possible.

Do you honestly think we can keep [REDACTED] from digging into her brain and finding out everything about us.

>>23548810
I vote complete subservience for now, then try to assess how much of a problem her current personality will be. You know, only take as much of her memories and overwrite as much of her personality as necessary.

>>23548810
"Let's get Liz in on this. This is something she wants to be part of, it's good practice for her, and she's very invested in punishing her and breaking her for what she tried to do to me."

>>23548723
No, no, NONONONONO! Dear god NO! Kaoru doesn't exist any more, she disappeared at Scholomance and will no longer walk these halls.

>>23548810
Go get Liz, in the meantime dad should spay our new pet.

>>23548859
>what right do we have to deny her this pleasure?
Well, she's ours. Of course it's our right, the question is just whether we decide to take it.

Rolled 70

>>23548737
>It's potentially lethal, we don't really know until we try.

No its not. You're just saying that because you don't want to try.

Last time we tried to do something, and got no successes, it just didn't WORK. It didn't blow someone's brains out.

Keep in mind that sorcery deals with ALL energy. From light to sound to sexual chi to punching the bells better. Its not guaranteed to winstagib anyone, like you're insinuating it is.

Its something we should try, because ways to mitigate strain are AMAZING in this setting.

Start with making her subservient and unable to oppose us, and wake her up. Then see where we go from there.

>>23548796

The reason i wanted it stored in a human brain is because i was definitely thinking along the lines of an automatic contingency.
Who says our dad is always going to be there?

>>23548810
Talk to Liz and Lin also i thought we were letting Liz take point on this To facilitate that we should make her some drain reducing mind rape foci while she recharges so she can go longer.

>>23548888

We do, of course, but we also heard just how much she wants to do this for us.

She love us very much and Lunch tried to take us from her.

femcock, would your pet go apeshit on someone who tried to take you without both of you agreeing? Or is it too dissimiliar of a relationship.

>>23548790
>So find someone to teach us before we do this shit, ok?

Why are you so against this? Its a fantastic idea, and gambling on rolling a 1 or 100 is a fucking retarded reasoning to think its a bad idea.

>>23548827
>Let's get Liz involved in this discussion.
Agreement for this. Liz calls the shots during the breaking.

>>23548810
>Also, that /q/ thread makes a really good point; the actual Scholomance threads don't have nearly enough in the way of votes. They should really be voted much higher than any of these quest threads, because they're absolutely fantastic: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Scholomance

Interesting, any way you could make it worth our while oh glorious quest Lord?

>>23548949

I don't think you understand how D/s works. You don't make requests of your dom during a scene. Milady tells you what YOU have to do.

>>23548841
I advocate that we start by taking out memories that would possibly interfere with this whole thing, no reason for her to know about her family. If we can assure loyalty keep her magic skills, but she doesn't have to know who taught her them.

We want obedience, loyalty, submissive tendencies, sluttiness/horniness, her to love all of the people in our tower. And then we stick in fetishes. I'm personally an advocate of a masochistic streak a mile wide so we can get her to cum just by spanking her, and making her get aroused by feelings of shame and embarrassment so she'll make token efforts to resist us fucking her in front of people but give in to loving it and is constantly aroused by us forcing her to wear slutty outfits.

>>23548857
>Get liz. Push foci slave and general slave.

Seconding this.

We need to start thinking about ways to gain magical power, and fem has plainly said our dad is underpowered because ALL of his foci got taken and we haven't had time to get him more.

So we need karou to keep her magical talents, but lose her memories of who she was.
The two aren't mutually exclusive - but if we get her to make foci for us, we might actually keep our spot at the top of the class

>>23548892
I am OK with testing this but pleas can we test it on something we dont care about like a random elemental or a bat before we test it on the loving family pet/meal.

>>23548972
>I am OK with testing this but pleas can we test it on something we dont care about like a random elemental or a bat before we test it on the loving family pet/meal.

But we'd have to test it on something that Pushes towards us.

Why are you assuming its going to be dangerous when we drain in the same way from breakfast DAILY?
OH NO ITS GONNA KILL HER DERP DERP DERP DERP

>>23548949
By running a quest for us based on the setting, perhaps?

>>23548966
I will say it again, obedience and loyalty are fine. Turning her into a slut with a laundry list of fetishes? Unnecessary and potentially counterproductive.

The first thing to do is to secure her loyalty, and then we can see where we might need to go from there.

>>23548908
fair point i just think we could do both and be better off. Also copies of us in someone else's brain is a security risk more than in an item in a safe place IMO.

FemCock! I hope that your going to ensure that the uncaring sociopathic tendencies we have been displaying has consequences down the line. I mean, we're acting like a complete monster.
It would make things interesting down the line.

>>23548949
Milady has told you to do something, and I suggest that you follow through on the goodwill of her graces, lest you find yourself at the end of a rather taut and smart leather whip. Of course, that is, unless you're wanting to taste the leather against your sensitive flesh, in which case I would be personally enthused to accommodate you, as soon as you vote up those three threads at the top of the list.

>>23548859
Because there will be nothing left of her unless we tell her what we want. Subserviant and loyal to us.

>>23549061
We've yet to actually, IC, do anything considered outlandishly monstrous. A bit sociopathic, yes, but that's necessary to survive. Once people start clamoring to hunt down weak targets just because we can, then you can start tooting your moral horn.

>>23548949
Plus Scholomance deserves more love on its own merits.

>>23549050
Making her a slut for us and Dad, and eventually Selene, gets us a Drain snack and doesn't necessarily interfere with her making Foci for us. We can keep her working for us, but I can't think of a good reason not to make her somewhat slutty for us.

I admit the fetishes are just there because I like fetishes.

>>23549050
>The first thing to do is to secure her loyalty, and then we can see where we might need to go from there.

Seconding, thirding, and so on and so forth


>>23549061
>FemCock! I hope that your going to ensure that the uncaring sociopathic tendencies we have been displaying has consequences down the line. I mean, we're acting like a complete monster.
>It would make things interesting down the line.
Someone else brought it up last night: But max has been acting increasinly like a total dickwad lately.

>>23548966
I also want her to have a fetish for being mind controlled so she embraces her position in life and will welcome any changes we make later.

>>23549114
I second this, part of the reason to have Lunch is for additional draining, her enjoying getting fucked is not mutually exclusive with her having other uses.

>>23549117
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Scholomance
life and death situations do that to some people, especially when it isn't just their death but the deaths of their loved ones

>>23548996
Why do we have to test on something pushing toward us if we just want to recharge and empower them I dont see why we need that limitation if we do i guess breakfast and lunch would be the best options i just dont think the principle is that limited.

>>23549114
Because of the general principle of taking things one step at a time and then reassessing?

There may ultimately be no need for anything more drastic than loyalty programming, and we won't know that if we end up going to town on her mind from the get-go. In-character it makes sense as well, since we've already gone on the record as disapproving of the way scholomance makes people turn on each other. What would it say about us if we didn't at least TRY to leave as light a footprint in her head as possible?

We're better than that, or at least that's the impression of Max I'd been getting.

>>23548949
Perhaps I wasn't clear. Vote up the Scholomance threads as high as possible. They are fantastic original content and deserve all the love they can get. They deserve every vote that this entire quest has gotten combined.

Do it right now, you silly little slut.

>>23549200
Because amongst other things, we have learned today that if we're at war, we need to drain a lot, and having an extra girl to drain from would be a good idea.

>>23548918
>femcock, would your pet go apeshit on someone who tried to take you without both of you agreeing?
You're asking if my pet would go apeshit if someone tried to kidnap me and mind control/bind me into servitude to them? Yes, absolutely. They wouldn't have a quick death. I'm glad she's a sub, because she would be far too cruel to be a healthy dom.

>>23549204
>Do it right now, you silly little slut.

WHY DID I JUST READ THAT IN MY GRANDMOTHERS VOICE

OH GOD IT BURNS

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>23548810
>>23549204

Start planning now and bring Liz up to speed once she's rested. Be prepared to adjust plans

>>23549204

Already have, Milady!

>>23549200
We're going to want another slave/slut/pet to drain from, we're going to fuck her, she may as well enjoy it.

>>23549204
This is how the discussion continued in my mind:

I ain't yo slut, bitch
>I ain't yo bitch, ho
I ain't yo ho, hussy
>Trollop
Tart
>Bimbo
Floozie
>Tramp
... Minmay
>You... YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

>>23548996
Because breakfast isn't designed to absorb ambient sexual energy the way max is? Seriously, question the shit out of dad before trying it out on something not named and living in the tower (no, you are not allowed to play with Fap like that).

>>23549238
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU! NOW IM DOING IT!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

>>23549285
HAHA, my grandmas dead and I cant remember her voice

and now I'm sad

>>23549061
Welcome, young fool, to a world where there isn't any black and white, only varying shades of gray.

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>>23549285
>>23549238
>can't even imagine my grandmother speaking English
Enjoy your weakness, Americans.

>>23549204
Again, thank you for running realistic characters and realistic consequences within the confines of this setting and the full range of behaviors allowed in this quest.

>>23549271

>Minmay

Damn, that's cold

....And now I have that gods forsaken song stuck in my head

>>23549224
>>23549268
We don't have to program her to enjoy it, if we end up having to drain her. We just have to program in obedience so that she'll let us drain her.

At most, I would be in favor of writing in a desire to repent for trying to kidnap and possibly mindcontrol/kill us, but from my understanding of how "obedience" would work it's difficult for me to see any real reason to make her a slut. ESPECIALLY without trying it with just the loyalty programming.

>>23549340
>We don't have to program her to enjoy it, if we end up having to drain her. We just have to program in obedience so that she'll let us drain her.
Thisthisthis

>>23549340
Personally I'm waiting to hear Liz's suggestions before I make a decision. I'd imagine she wants a little payback written into the reprogramming.

>>23549340
>desire to repent
oh yes we must put this in there

as well as a desire to only wear underwear, a long hoodie and glasses, nothing else besides footwear

>>23549375
leave off the underwear from that list and we're golden.

>>23549368

This is what I'm waiting for as well. I think she want vengeance for hurting her Mistress just as much as we do.

>>23549200
>There may ultimately be no need for anything more drastic than loyalty programming, and we won't know that if we end up going to town on her mind from the get-go. In-character it makes sense as well, since we've already gone on the record as disapproving of the way scholomance makes people turn on each other. What would it say about us if we didn't at least TRY to leave as light a footprint in her head as possible?

This.
We need to toe the line between revenge and hating what scholomance does to us.

I look forward to being the one to hold LIZ back from going to the dark side

>>23549204
Already done Milady

>>23549368
And Liz actually seemed pretty down with rape, considering she was pretty much okay with it when she was raped, at least as far as such things go. I imagine she'd be all for raping this girl, probably more viciously than most of us would be inclined to.

>>23549392
>TRY to leave as light a footprint in her head as possible

Except we're still effectively rewriting her into something she isn't. All that leaving her more like her old self will do is give her the opportunity to realise the situation she's in now and suffer.

Really, it isn't the kind option, despite what you may think.

>>23549340
Do you remember dad's speech about how it was more moral to mind fuck someone instead of killing them? Because part of his rational was that it was better to have a pet capable of enjoying its existence rather than a dead body. Pretty fucking sure he would rather her be happy in her new existence than not.

We're eliminating all her memories.

>>23549238
Thank god i cant imagine either of min saying that.

>>23549368
But then again, we've heard how she feels about starting a school where students aren't forced to do things like this, so I get the feeling that if we let her go too crazy she'd end up regretting it later.

I'm still in favor of hearing her suggestions, but I'd be very careful about following them verbatim.

>>23549375
>a desire to only wear underwear, a long hoodie and glasses, nothing else besides footwear
With just a little loyalty programming, we could take away her pants and she probably wouldn't complain. No need to make any more changes to her mind than her society's contingency plan have already made.

>>23549424

are you talking about that time with the vampire lord? that doesn't count because even she said she wasn't in her own mind

>>23549340
Agoraphobia would make her not want to leave the tower.

"We'll go get Liz, of course," you say. "I want her to take the lead on this, even if we help her along. This should be a great learning experience for her, and cathartic too."

"Sound fine to me, Max," your dad says. "Lead the way."

You head on down into the kitchen, where you find Liz a quarter of the way into a pint of chocolate ice cream. She licks the spoon clean as you come in and puts the lid back on the container. "Hey, Mistress," she says, smiling at you. She looks tired. Fuck, you forgot, your dad said she didn't sleep last night, sitting up next to you the whole time you were unconscious. "All full now?"

"Yup," you say. "Now we're ready to talk about what all we want to do to her mind. Since you're going to be leading this project with us as your support, I wanted to hear from you first."

"Well, the most important thing to do is to make her unable to refuse direct orders from us or betray us, no matter how reluctant she is," says Liz. "Aside from that, I want to make her your perfect little slut and ashamed and embarrassed of it. I want her to be able to play hard to get but never actually refuse you. I want her to know she shouldn't be doing it, but unable to stop. I want her to feel ashamed and embarrassed after you use her but have her keep coming back for more. That's what she deserves for trying to make my Mistress into her bitch."

Wow. That's pretty dark. Is she right, though? Is it justified?

What's your response?

>>23549424
She wasn't "down with rape" or okay with it when it happened to her. She, herself, was okay with us doing what needed to be done to protect everyone in our household, and was more worried about us than she was herself because she was consenting from her point of view.

Raping her hurt us more than it did her. Literally. It was a harrowing experience, to rape someone that you love in order to protect her and everyone else we love.

>>23549474
simple loyalty and obediance to us would do the dame without putting undesired tendencies in her mind

>>23549200
So we tune her up once or twice a week as practice on subtle mind crafting work. Not a bad idea, though if we leave too much of her mind she might catch on. We can always burn her out later if it's too problematic.

nearly full memory wipe, saving only whats necessary for magic, obedience, loyalty, love, love of servitude. no letting her out of the tower ever.

>>23549494
Go for it.

>>23549437
If you'd think about it, you'd realize that Kaoru herself would probably realize the necessity of what we were doing, and the fact that we're clearly trying to balance our own protection with a desire not to harm her. And if she doesn't, we still have the chance to go back in later once we make her loyal and obedient.

My point is that I don't think we should rule out the possibility of minimal mindfuckery without at least investigating it.

>>23549439
Yes, and the next step in the process is that it's better to leave more of the person than to completely overwrite them, wherever it's possible. Death is NOT the only alternative here, so again I think we need to consider a less invasive.. and honestly, a less "evil" option.

>>23549494
As the writer of the power-sub fapfic, I am compelled to approve.

>>23549494
a little more subtle and toned down and it gets my vote

>>23549494
The rape train has no brakes.

Do it. Give her the mental attack ring will that work for this?

Also are you gonna add her foci we took to Max's sheet?

>>23549494
She knows more about being unable to stop from doing something, even though you want to than we do. If she thinks it fitting, then so do I.

>>23549494

Anything else?

>>23549494
Hell, that works for me, let's do it.

Rolled 76

>>23549494
"Liz, you do realize that doing that to her would be even worse than what the Vampire Lord did to you."

No punishment stuff. Just make her obedient and anything required for that.

>>23549547
Forgot to add, I think we should remind her that she knows what its like better than we do, and ask her if she really thinks it fitting. If she does, however, then we should get right along with it.

>>23549544
>Do it. Give her the mental attack ring will that work for this?
nope that's for mind attacks, like how we got her. not mind rewrites

>>23549494
"Thats a bit dark, Love."

>>23549455
I think there are 4 important things in Maxes mid for how we do this
1 she has to be no danger to us or our family.
2 she should be as use-full a too for us as possible within point 1.
3 she should except and fundamentally enjoy her existence as our slave (hence the love, obedience, submissiveness, masochism and mind control fetish).
4 Liz wants her revenge and we should let her get closure without going over the deep end to the dark side but we can have some fun with the new toy.

>>23549494

"What about Breakfast? I don't know how well the two of them would get along if Lunch was re-written like that, and the last thing we need is more fighting around here. I do like the way you think, though."

>>23549580
If it doesn't work then fine, but it seems like going into someone's head and tearing out shit you don't like constitutes a 'mental attack'

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>>23549494
Yes. To everything forever.

>>23549494
She was defending herself, the same way we would. In fact, the same way we DID.

I'd like to ask her if she's sure she won't regret doing this to another human being without first exploring a less destructive and cruel solution.

>>23549564
Actually, the full on mental thrall thing still seems worse to me. Shrug.

>>23549494
Give her a kiss.

"I can think of only one flaw Liz, she can't be my perfect slut, you already have that position and nothing could take it from you.

But everything else is wonderful. Personally I'm tempted to put some masochism on top of that so she gets off on us punishing her, but still feels the shame of that, and I like the idea of having her wear her old hoodie and nothing else, except maybe her glasses.

And of course she'll be available for any resident of the tower, Dad, and Selene when she grows up, especially."

>>23549494
"A bit on the dark side, babe. Though, really, if you think about it, do YOU want her crying and whining every time you do something to her? It's going to feel satisfying for about the first week, and then it's just going to be annoying."

>>23549494
>Well, the most important thing to do is to make her unable to refuse direct orders from us or betray us, no matter how reluctant she is," says Liz. "Aside from that, I want to make her your perfect little slut and ashamed and embarrassed of it. I want her to be able to play hard to get but never actually refuse you. I want her to know she shouldn't be doing it, but unable to stop. I want her to feel ashamed and embarrassed after you use her but have her keep coming back for more. That's what she deserves for trying to make my Mistress into her bitch."
sure, as long as she can come to accept it, even enjoy it

>>23549494
Tone it down a bit. She's tired and upset still, and she's got the object of fear and hate in front of her. She needs to step back for a minute and think about what she wants to do. She was always there keeping our impulse in check, no matter how stupid, we need to do the same for her.

>>23549616

She's sure.

I can't say I'd do the exact same thing in her situation, but then, I'm a pure sub.

But Liz knows EXACTLY what she's doing.

>>23549494
>That's what she deserves for trying to make my Mistress into her bitch."

"Do you really want to go that far, liz? I was just thinking about selene, and..... and I'm not sure I want to set that kind of example for our little girl. I mean, there's breakfast, but...."

>>23549494
Sure

We can always rewrite her into enjoying it later if we feel like it's getting a bit much after all.

>>23549616
Who shot first again? Not who considered attacking but who actually did?

>>23549627
Well, nothing says we can't modify her mind later, when we're tired of it.

>>23549648
She's been awake somewhere around 30 hours.

>>23549494
Tone it down, it would probably not be a healthy influence on Selene.

>>23549494
>Is it justified?
No. She was just a nice girl who did exactly what we would have done. But it's certainly hot.

>>23549494
"It's perfect. She ought to enjoy it as well, she may feel ashamed, guilty, embarrassed, but on some level she should love how it makes her feel."

>>23549494
Are you sure you want to torturer her like that i would much rather she liked he life as our pet than hate it Being embarrassed and ashamed is one thing hating it deep down and knowing its not her is another

>>23549613
>If it doesn't work then fine, but it seems like going into someone's head and tearing out shit you don't like constitutes a 'mental attack'
right but now we're at the reprogramming stage not the slag her brain stage

>>23549675
This. We shouldn't be any more cruel than we can avoid being.

>>23549494
i love you liz

>>23549494
I love Liz. This is pretty much perfect.

>>23549678
>She was just a nice girl
Okay, I can get not liking the domination thing, but really, what in the FUCK tells you she's a nice person, other than your white knight senses?

>>23549494
Justified? Maybe, maybe not. But it sure as hell sounds awesome. Make that bitch a good slut.

>>23549627
This is about right, have the shame and self-disgust degrade overtime. Otherwise we're good. Run it by dad if he isn't in the room with us, we need his reaction.

>>23549610
See, points three and four are wrong. We have no evidence that she wouldn't eventually come to accept and possibly enjoy the situation eventually, and the way Liz is suggesting we proceed is FULL FUCKING DARK SIDE.

It seems some people, including you, are assuming a priori that turning her into a fucktoy is the best, and in some cases the most MORAL solution. I'm absolutely nonplussed.

>>23549706
>This is about right, have the shame and self-disgust degrade overtime
agreed

>>23549564
>>23549590
>>23549627
>>23549640
>>23549653

These.

"Liz, thanks for watching over us while we were out. I know you're really angry and scared and hate that someone almost took us apart, but.... I kind of regret what happened to breakfast. We needed her - dad needed her. But this is.... its a little dark, and I'm not sure I like what this place is doing to me. To us"

>>23549494
Liz is on top form today.

I say tone it down a little bit but go for it.

This bitch was planning to kill us *just* because we got a bit near her base.

>>23549494
Give Liz a deep kiss and tell her that it's perfect. Tell her that we may slowly have her come to love being used like it, and while she may be ashamed of herself she loves it too much to ever consider stopping or resisting.

>>23549723
Whiteknight pussy.

>>23549613
I'm getting the impression that a mental attack is the sledgehammer, mental restructuring is the scalpel. An attack doesn't bother picking which parts of their mind it goes for, it just clobbers everything it can, and that focus is aimed at boosting that raw force, rather than helping direct it.

repeating this so we can talk to Liz about it

I think there are 4 important things in Maxes mid for how we do this
1 she has to be no danger to us or our family.
2 she should be as use-full a too for us as possible within point 1.
3 she should except and fundamentally enjoy her existence as our slave (hence the love, obedience, submissiveness, masochism and mind control fetish).
4 Liz wants her revenge and we should let her get closure without going over the deep end to the dark side but we can have some fun with the new toy.

>>23549661
Technically, we trailed her to her hideout, which was where she noticed us. Then she decided to strike "while the iron was hot" rather than ignore it.

It's basically what we just did with the Tengu: assume it was a threat that had to be removed, and so we hit it as hard as we could.

>>23549723
Mmmmm no. I feed on shame.

>>23549622
This sounds good.

Let's get Liz her vindication, Lunch will come to enjoy what's happening, she may be ashamed, embarrassed, and be unable to help herself, but she'll get a thrill out of it, she will know that it's wrong on some level but it'll feel too good to resist.

>>23549675
Darn, this is actually a good point. Tell Liz we'll prep Lunch tonight but that she should think about the modeling consequences this might have on our daughter. Dispite how saticefying her plan would be we do have larger concerns. Now erase all Lunch's memories.

>>23549755
Except instead of trying to just eliminate the threat, she tried to trap and enslave it. She could have just killed us and moved on. Instead she get greedy and overextended. Too bad, so sad, she lost.

>>23549714
No, no, no.
You're way too closed-minded if you think this is "FULL FUCKING DARK SIDE".

Just off the top of my head, we could simply -not- modify her mind at all, but keep her manacled in the basement for easy use whenever we need her. No need to have her consenting when she can't fight back in any way but vocally, and Liz might enjoy hearing her protestations.

And I wouldn't even call -that- full dark side. There's worse things we could do that I haven't thought of yet.

...
"we should do this later after we have some rest."

>>23549784
Seriously, some of the people in this thread seem totally averse to anything considered even mildly domineering or abusive. We could be doing far, far worse things. Oh dear lord, I have so many terrible, terrible ideas up in my head that I've refrained from mentioning from the sheer amount of backlash they'd get. Making someone unwillingly obedient is hardly the most terrible thing we could do to them.

>>23549734
>Whiteknight pussy.

Fuck no. This isn't about white knighting anyone. Its about having a shred of humanity left. If we let liz go to the dark side in her first year, its probably going to end very, very badly in a self-destructive spiral after a few years of intense study, murder, archmage pressure, and trying to survive.

Keeping liz sane is how we stay together

>>23549701
>Saying we should mindrape her into an obedient slave who hates every second of it even though there's no justification because it's hot
>white knight senses
Pfftahaha.

>>23549775
"Eliminating" a threat isn't limited to killing or destroying. Her methods were what she judged most pragmatic given what she knew at the time.
>>23549784
And that makes turning her into a mindraped fuckslave any less bad of a thing... how?

Oh wait, it doesn't.

>>23549784
I wanted to strap her up all over with explosives and let the tengu take her back, then detonate them both.

But then the sun thing actually worked as far as we know.

>>23549784
i knew a guy who was a real artist with butcher hooks. i kinda glad he's in hundreds of miles away

>>23549803
Change to "for tonight let's start by mind wiping her so we have a clean slate to work with tomorrow. But before we start on the real overhaul you need to get some rest." and we have a deal.

>>23549714
I want her to enjoy it now not at some nebulous future date that she grows into it.
I think making her suffer in the mean time is unnecessary and evil (opposed to just not good). I dont know if using her as a tool/meal in this situation is totally moral (it probably isn't) but i think Max is ok using her as a tool & meal.
If we are going to do that the most moral way to do that is to make her like it, hence the fetishes that make her like what (i believe) we have decided we will do to her in any event.

>>23549821
>If we let liz go to the dark side
You have a very weak idea of what "the dark side" is.
This is at least seven shades and two tones away from being The Dark Side, this is just The Fairly Dim Beige Corner.

>>23549826
I wasn't talking about that, but now that I look back on it, you were clearly being sarcastic. I thought you were seriously saying Kaoru was a good person after all of this. I take back my statements.

>>23549803
>"we should do this later after we have some rest.

>>23549821
>Keeping liz sane is how we stay together

And keeping liz sane, after 30 hours of no sleep and a worried-we-were-dead guilt trip of watching over us, and wondering if we're going to cheat on her, and wanting to give us girls so we like her more, and there's all sorts of bottled emotions and poor decisions going on in liz's head right now.

We need to take a step back, and sleep on it.
If it makes more than one person go 'that's fucking dark," we need to wait a little(seriously, a little) bit and think with a clearer head.

>>23549494

"Sounds perfect."

Becasue it is, and we all know it. It's perfect payback, and we don't have to kill her. We already have Breakfast for eager sex, so a meal with some Tsuntsun should balance things out.

hey Fem, thought just occurred to me, is a dice roll of 1 is still a crit fail (can't remember if this was changed) and we got no 100 in the roll against teleporting the tengu into the sun, we may want to check to see if we actually succeeded otherwise theres a very angry tengu out there that we have just completely glossed over

>>23549714
I am >>23549852 and just forgot to add i agree Liz's proposal is full dark side so we tone it back and make lunch like what we do to her

>>23549852
She'll enjoy it, she'll be embarrassed, ashamed, and sometimes reluctant, but it'll make her feel good, she'll love every second of how dirty us fucking her makes her feel.

>>23549872
a 1 is -1 successes, and if we have no other successes, then it's a crit fail. We still got 3 successes on that roll.

>>23549494
I'm ok with doing that to lunch, as long as we make sure she is or eventually becomes happy with her life.

>>23549836
>"Eliminating" a threat isn't limited to killing or destroying. Her methods were what she judged most pragmatic given what she knew at the time.
And you know this, how? She has gunpowder weapons. Are you telling my that she wasn't capable of using a full-power projectile firearm on us, and only had the ability to use poisoned darts? If we're ducking and dodging from sniper fire, it's obvious we're vulnerable to rifle rounds, so she could have just shot us in the face with a pistol, but instead, she tried to tranq and enslave us. She tried doing things the tricky way to have her cake and eat it too, and the cake bit her in the ass.

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>>23549854
thats fuck hilarious

>>23549872
A roll of 1 subtracts one success. In the absence of a success to subtract, it becomes -1 success, with is a crit fail. 0 success is simple "nothing happened" fail, and anything more is varying degrees or ease of success. We did fine.

how will this effect Selene

>>23549872
We changed it so 1's are now -1 successes and 100's are now +2 successes.

Now, it sounds like the consensus is to praise Liz and say it's a good idea, but to also suggest toning it down a bit. Is that accurate? Also, sorry I was away for a few minutes there, I was enjoying the fapfics.

>>23549890
>>23549905
oh thank god for that, was rereading yesterdays threads and I think the paranoia got to me

>>23549912
Yes, that's accurate. Tell her to calm down and reaffirm what she said, make her think it over. No need to criticize or berate her for being a little sadistic, but tell her to think if she really wants to deal with a crybaby like that.

>>23549912

That appears to be accurate Milady

>>23549912
It was almost all "that's perfect" at first and then a deluge of samefagging for toning it down.

>>23549912

Yeah. I think the general idea is making her suffer just a little bit in the short term, but then getting her to the point where she enjoys it like Breakfast. Liz can inflict the suffering for some catharsis.

>>23549912
Yeah, that sounds good.

Also, in regards to the fapfics, I had one question, which I'll just take artistic license with if you don't want to answer it, since we don't know in-game.

Is Liz's mom hot?

>>23549912
Pretty much. Regardless we are at minimum erasing her memory in full tonight.

>>23549912
Sounds good to me.

>>23549912
Indeed, we want her to suffer a little, but not enough that it has a bad influence on Selene.

Would tsundere be a good comprimise?

>>23549770
we should me more selective than a clean wipe she is more use to us if she is more intact but still obedient.

>>23549852
You do realize that if we didn't totally mindfuck her we'd be holding off on actually fucking her, right? That part of "reassessing" means figuring out what the remaining aspects of her personality are like?

Well, in case I haven't made it clear enough, just instilling loyalty and obedience gives us a chance to figure out what she's like and where we're going. If she starts to show some inclinations that she'd be open to voluntarily fucking, then that's where it would go. No further need for mindfuckery. If she turns out to be completely unmanageable, then we can talk about how to further modify her to suit our needs.

But let's not do too much all at once. God, I feel like a fucking broken record.

>>23549912
> toning it down a bit

a lot more than a bit, but yes

just mearly making Kaoru ours is a fairly huge punishment for what she tried, not saying lunching her is bad, the opposite, but I want her to still function like a human being

>>23549934
This good sir has the right idea

>>23549932
There was a deluge of samefagging saying "that's perfect" at first and then all the real people said to tone it down.

>>23549935
No idea, assume yes

>>23549912
Sounds like a great plan to me. Though I don't know about toning it down. Of course, that's probably because I'm a sadist but, hey, noone's perfect. Also, just caught up and really lookin' forward to it!

>>23549912
lets not get too soft here guys

>>23549935
She is now.

>>23549970
This quest is full of people who claim that every view except theirs is samefagging. Cut that shit out, this quest is full of samefags on all sides of every argument.

>>23549935
Tomorrow, before class we'll get Liz to show us a picture of her parents.

>>23549849
like was mentioned mind-wiping her reduces her use as a tool and the pleasure Liz can get if we let her torture the bitch.

>>23549983
>This quest is full of people who claim that every view except theirs is samefagging.
No it's not. All those posts are the same person.

>>23549935
Liz's mom is a woman in her mid-30's with dark hair, olive skin, wide hips, and a body that, despite bearing a child, still maintains some of its youth. She was attractive enough to attract the attention of an incubus as a romantic partner, however briefly, rather than just a snack, and she's aged gracefully. That said, she's starting to go a little gray near her temples, tends to have shadows under her eyes from too much work and not enough sleep, as you would expect of a single mother, and usually wears clothes more for function than form.

She's a good-looking woman who doesn't necessarily put in enough effort to be hot, per se, anymore.

>>23549899
Did you understand ANYTHING I said? "Eliminating a threat" means LITERALLY making it so that it's no longer a threat. She could have killed us, but then she wouldn't know who we were, what our plans were, or if her safehouse was totally compromised. Therefore, she decided it was in her best interest to capture and interrogate, then to find a use for us afterwards.

Her actions were entirely pragmatic given the information she had.

>>23550007
Wait what. Are you confusing Max's mom and Liz's mom?
Or did Liz's mom also sleep with an incubus