Digitigrade

>>21998886
...any particular reason why?

according to my group

those for plantigrade claim:
- plantigrade for posture and stability
- lets them wear shoes
- digitigrade limbs are "furry"

those for digitigrade claim:
- digitigrade results in faster and quieter running speed, suiting the predatory nature of these races
- it makes them more like dargons

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I had to look up what those terms mean... now that I do digitigrade, defiantly, it gives them a less human quality and not so much the low-grade sci-fi actor with prosthetics.

>>21998860
Digitigrade. Because otherwise they're just humans with scales. It also makes more sense that a species descended from a species with digitigrade legs would have them

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digitigrade.

fuck it, kobold thread.

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>>21999283
AND NONE OF THAT CUTEBOLD SHIT EITHER. ONLY BARELY-DRAGON BLOODED, DISEASE RIDDEN, GREMLINS.

>>21999009
>posture and stability
digitigrade can offer just as much stability if the race is built to stand upright. The reason dogs look stupid walking on their hindlegs is because their forebody is too unbalanced--they're built for charges, not climbing, unlike primates. Posture is another issue entirely, and could be the factor that corrects any balance issue.
>shoes
Is it really that hard to wonder why a group of people wouldn't make custom-made shoes/boots/foot-protectors for themselves?
>furry
Now your group is just being a bunch of prepubescent xenophobes.

>faster and quieter
Not so sure about the latter, but the prior is true dependent on two things: height and build. The taller/longer the race is, the faster it will be. Watch some videos of cheetahs and take note of the way they sprint. They build up momentum by stretching their bodies mid-stride. Watching sprinters in particular can give you a better feel for why height matters. The taller you are, the higher your center of gravity, so when you sprint (remember: sprinting is a controlled fall) you're going to fall faster.
>draconic figures
Whatever floats your boat, man.

>plantigrade or digitigrade?
Go with whichever you like, OP.

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...i think this counts

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also, shoes are doable for digitigrade now that I think about it (look at ivalice's bangaa)

>>21998860
It depends on what the race is to be used for in the game. If they're only enemies, digitigrade no further questions. If they're a player race (specifically one that is meant to integrate well with humans and not be too 'beastly') it should be plantigrade, with exceptions.

>>21999377
that's cuter than the one you responded to.

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hmm, this isn't so much a kobold thread as it is me just dumping pictures. meh.

>>21999510
And why the particular distinction, if you don't mind?

I'd go with digitigrade since they're both biologically feasible and it adds a bit more exoticness making the race stand out more.

Neither is really a bad option.

>>21998860
>>21998860
Digitigrade. It gives them a more feral, animal-like quality, gives them a more distinct silhouette, and looks really cool with a slightly arched back.

>>21999009
>>digitigrade limbs are "furry"

See, I'd actually argue the opposite. Furries usually just take a human form and slap a furry head and a tail on them. It results in a general lack of diversity and holds too strongly to a human form. Actual character designers tend more to emphasize the actual animal features and then add just enough humanity to make them relatable.

>>21999377
those are some cuddly buggers

I prefer digitigrade myself, makes them seem more predatory and allows for faster movement (only race that's small size and has 30' base speed, get on our level halflings.)

But then I am a furry, so my opinion means nothing.

>>21999558
It's about the effect the look has on people. Digitigrade feet will always make the race look 'beastlier'. It takes away an element of humanity from them and makes them look more combat-oriented since they always have a look like they're in fight or flight mode.

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>>21999514
i know, i kinda wish it was the default race illustration.

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>>21999619
I sneezed and missed my realistic kobold image.

>>21999619
What if a kobold monk?

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>>21999567
I disagree. Plantigrade doesn't necessarily mean a human foot with scales (a la elderscrolls, which half ass it completely). They could have a more iguana toe structure and still use the flat of their foot to walk, and I feel like that's not what they consider "furry" but still animalistic.

>>21999745
I'll do you one better.
>Kobold Unarmed Swordsage
>Setting Sun discipline
>charge across the battlefield toppling all the Big Folk

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>>21999650
I will cut you

OP, it depends on whether or not they have a tail.

Tailed races are going to be digitgrade and their stances will be stooped compared to a human (kinda like a velociraptor, really).

Tailless races are going to plantigrade, and their posture similar to humans. In fact, they probably don't even have sharp claws on their toes, anymore.

The primary exception is if the race didn't originate naturally in-game (i.e. a dragon wizard took a hillful of innocent gnomes and turned them into the first kobolds). In that case, anything goes.

>>21999745
...what if a kobold monk what?

>>21999843
Existed.

>>21999838
example of tailed

Probably best idea so far

>>21999745
You could intentionally the game with the Mark of Passage feat.

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>>21999865
Wow, what a fuckup

i have a few kobold pics i guess, but they lean more towards lizardmen

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>>21999838
hmm, I see. that explains dragonborn, huh.

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>>21999874
they could have amorphous legs-ish

and what about tiny tails on creatures? if they're vestigial then the feet should be plantigrade.

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>>21999838

Sensible answer. But I imagine you could design cobold with tail and plantigrade feet. pic related.
Modern lizards have plantigrade feet, but modern lizards suck ass. Predatory dinosaurs had them digitigrade and were awesome.

I always go for digitigrade. And that goes for all beast races. Fuck shoes. Fuck haters.

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Digitigrade for the reasons stated in this thread.

They fit the predator look and are more draconic and less just scaly humans.

>>21999377
Dream crusher...

>>21999567
>Furries usually just take a human form and slap a furry head and a tail on them. It results in a general lack of diversity and holds too strongly to a human form.

Furry here. It is pretty much 50/50 from my perspective.

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>>22000080
NONE OF THAT.

>>22000073
I think what he was trying to say is mechanically it doesn't make sense to have plantigrade feet if you have a tail. Obviously in your world you can say screw realism and make whatever you want, but still.

>>21999855
See how much better you do when you can into proper grammer?

>>22000176
There's an important difference between what I can do and what I do.

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>>21999838
...

>>22000249
I believe he means tailed races that stand on two legs.

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>>22000354

>>22000373
Tailed races that stand on two legs the majority of their time while moving around. I'm not a biologist your exception might stand hell if I know

>>22000249
>>22000373
he's not exactly plantigrade, is he? He's almost there, in any case

>>22000419
It's as plantigrade as anything can be, with opposing toes.

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Okay, shut up.

See this here raptor rendition? See this large pelvic bone? It is called ischium. It is important muscle anchoring point.

If you want your kobolds digitigrade, with tail used as balance instead of being dragged around- draw your kobolds with that pelvic bone.

bump for more kobold

Depends on the race.

Kobolds? definitely Digitrade. they're compact, tailed, and have a higher movement speed than average small creatures.

the "dragonkin" or whatever 4e has, I really have no opinion on. Half-Dragons can run the gamut though, depending on how the dragon-blood manifests, but since larger creatures get wings and stuff, I'd imagine larger half-dragons tend to look more "draconic."

however, the Gila Monster lookin' kobolds posted >>21999377 there are pretty cool lookin'... perhaps make them a "desert variety?"

>>22000678
/tg/ - Evolutionary Biology

I love you with all my heart

>>22000678
you just want kobolds that look like they have an enormous package

>>22001061
If it's right, it's right. All side effects are unintended but welcome.

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I like both actually but it depends on the setting. Digitigrade just makes more sense, and I usually chalk up Plantigrade as laziness on the artist who would rather just draw a human with a tail and a lizard head.

Digitigrade looks like it can do so much more, I look at them and think "I bet they run fast as hell" or "Watch it jump 20 feet". Plantigrade can be okay if it's justified through the lore, like maybe both Plantigrade and Digitigrade exist due to defects or evolution.

As for shoes, I think leather or metal armor over the tops of them make the most sense. If only the most vital pieces of the top are covered then it leaves more flexibility for the rest of their foot which means moving faster, jumping higher, etc. That's all depending what this lizard does, though. Just like people, there are probably Lizards that just want to be magic user sin their plain leather shoes. I would say cloth wizard shoes but their toenails would have to cut right through that.

For kobolds I like plantigrade, and I'll explain why.

First, the argument has been given that digitigrade legs give a more predatorial, bestial look. I agree, and it is this reason why I don't like it for kobolds. Kobolds aren't bestial predators, they're thieving, scavenging little vermin. Human-like legs help visually reinforce this.

Second, digitigrade is good for running, but plantigrade is better for walking. Since kobolds are not predators and fighters but trappers and skulkers I imagine they would be served better by plantigrade feet.

Finally, while I don't have any hard data to support it, it seems reasonable to me that plantigrade would be better for climbing and balancing in the sort of tunnels and lairs kobolds dwell in.

This is all just my opinion, of course, and I don't have a serious problem with digitigrade kobolds.

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I actually prefer plantigrade, if only because they've been bumped up to a player race. plantigrade feet seems to give the creature a bit more, i dunno, intelligence is the wrong word but its all that comes to mind. civilized, I suppose. digitigrade seems more fit for a feral/monster race, as it's a trait of a creature that actively seeks out prey.

>>22000678
people ignore that in fantasy drawings because it makes the dinosaurs looks like they have enormous dicks

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>>22002184
>if only because they've been bumped up to a player race

Bingo. Digitgrade is great for Kobolds as hostile creatures because they're meant to be cowardly, yet cunning little runts with little empathy to give (and little to receive). Plantigrade suits Kobolds as a PC race, because it humanizes 'em a little more.

(Thanks again for the Kobold Rogue picture bro, the Kobold's player sends his thanks <3)

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...with FUR

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>>22002400
Down with the furred Kobolds, all hail the scaled Kobolds!

Digitigrade. Looks less humanlike ad makes more sense with a tail.

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Pangolin Kobolds are my current favorite.

>>22002781
Why are there tits.

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>>22002838
Because.

>>22002838
because Sefeiren is who he is

>>21999377

Those look like they're supposed to be quadrapeds.

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>>22002838
yeah, reptile tits are unforgivable.

>>22002838
because they are probably based on pagolins which are armored mammals.

>>21999283
>>21999377
>>21999992
>>22002781
Stolen and saved for later

>>22002980
>pangolins
>reptiles

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>>22002975
they've thumbs and their head angle disagrees with you

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>>22002781
I'd use that as the basis for Kobolds if I ever made a homebrew setting, but the tiny upper-arms bother me.

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>>22003007
>kobold-anything
>mammal

>>22003025

I know, but something about those arms make me think quadraped. I don't know what it is.

>>22003040
they're really sexualized and animu, though. It'd be a bit wierd to your players. if you really like sharp scales just go for >>21999377

>>22003053
they're monotremes
Kobolds are monotremes

>>22002277
>you will never wake up after a night of hard drinking to find a lightly snoring kobold girl clutching naked to your chest under the covers to keep warm

>>22003067
They're the same length as the legs...?

>>22003104
of all the official art of kobolds

have you even ONCE seen a pair of kobold tits?

>>22003120

Ahh, figured it out.

From this perspective the leg rotation in comparison to the body looks like something more befitting something that walks on 4 legs to me.

The arms look like they're facing slightly forward, not to the side. That's what's tripping me up.

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>>22003113
Bro, I got the next session coming up around twelve hours away. I'll remember to tell you what the conclusion to that situation ends up being.

>>22003161
No, but I've seen sahugan tits

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>>22003189
Sharks are not sahuagins

>>22003204
This thread is going places

>>22003186
It better include her climbing on top of you as soon as she wakes up and nibbling the nape of your neck as she straddles you and pushes down on your manhood

I tell you what

>>22003161
>monotremes
>nipples
>?????

>>22003189
kobold =! sahuagin

>>22003186
remember, don't listen to whatver the fuck we told you in that last thread. everyone will get creeped out if you do.

>>22003186
Best of luck.

>>21999650
Source?

>>22003283
BasketGardevoir.

He's kind of a fag.

>>22003240
My character would most certainly not like that. HIS PLAYER, ON THE OTHER HAND...

>>22003258
There were surprisingly few quotes of René Descartes and a few people saying 'DON'T BE AN IDIOT BRO, JUST CONFRONT HER ABOUT IT'. Sounds like sound advice to me.

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>>22003161
Whose official art? Kobolds are originally a Germanic little goblin fae that lived in your house and helped with the chores. D&D didn't invent them and they aren't the only game that uses them.

Here is a Ragnarok kobold. be mad and butt-flustered.

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>>22000080
>>21999650
BG draws the WORST cutebolds...

I don't mind them being fuzzy, grey, and dewy eyed, but those things... I can't respect THOSE things.

Hell I can't even find them attractive.

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Posting the kobold that is cuter than cutebolds from the thread the other night.

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>>22003431
THAT'S a Kobold?

It looks like a bear puppy.

>>22003431
>Hug me
>Love me
That makes me want to play a sick reverse CoC where you lose your mind from cuteness.

>>22003385
I think all cutebolds look like shit, but thats just me. Its even funnier when people try to claim cutebolds are a legitimate race to take seriously instead of blatant fetish pandering.

>>22003345
>>22003431
what the fuck, asia. giant puppies.

>>22003479
Oh look, it's this guy again.

>>22003441
Bet you've never seen a FATAL kobold before.

>>22003491
I just started reading this.

>>22003491
Oh hey are you the guy that does the thing on the MSPA forums?
I like that thing

>>22003345
...what? Pretty sure kobolds got their name for being blamed on swapping good ore with cobalt. Also why kobolds should be blue.

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>>22003534
Yessir, I do Everignot. I haven't been able to touch it due to hurricane Sandy, but I'm working on fixing that.

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>>22003491
what is this

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>>22003563

>>22003491
this is adorable, what is this from?

>>22003613

http://mspfanventures.com/?adv=1063

>>22003550
You got it backwards, the element cobalt got it's name from the monster, not the other way around.

>>22003641
broken link?

>>22003550
There are three kinds in Germanic folklore.

There's the house sprites like >>22003345 mentions, roughly the same sort of deal as brownies or hobgoblins or that sort of thing.

There's the malevolent mine haunts, which is where cobalt gets its name.

And then there's basically a boat version of the house sprite, called the Klabautermann. I only know this because I just looked at the wiki article because, like you, I'd only ever heard about the mine type before the anon above mentioned the house type.

>>22003681
>/tg/: learning about historic international folklore to better understand what that kobold has tits.

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>>22003668

Try this instead.
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?46495-Everignot

>>22003731
Are the nat 20s actual rolls or GM fiat?

>>22003782

All rolls are actual. I'm making damn sure I don't mcguffin any rolls. If someone fucks up royal, they will die in this adventure.

>>22003714
Don't even need the other boards anymore.

>>22000122

Another furry here, from my POV it's closer to 75/25 in favor of fur covered human feet with pseudo paws. I don't think I've ever watched an artist that draws them that way though.

>>21998860
I like my "dargon" races to floop the pig.

>>22003799
I'm reading now. How often do you update?

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>>22003938

Before Sandy hit I was able to do like two, maybe three updates every week or two. If I'm really into it I may even hit a five update night. It's gonna take awhile to get back into that swing, but I'd say it's likely to happen soon.

>>22004018
Awesome.
I'm at the part where she finds out where the blue ink came from. I think you got yourself a new reader.

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>>22004031

Gonna bounce. Viva la Kobolds.

Found the Kobold thread, I knew TG wouldn't let me down.

Just started playing a Female Kobold bard with unnaturally high intelligence and charisma, a chaotic good alignment, and therefore a general "YO HO FUCK THAT SHIT" regard for Kobold social quotas

>>22004895
>Female Kobold bard
Slutting it up for the Dragon D.

>>22004018

Your comic amuses me greatly. I shall read it.

>On kobold society and sexuality
The three genders of kobold species form the basis of their highly regimented, almost bee-hive like society where its members are expected to only work towards the common good, and individualism is seen distasteful.

>Workers
Worker gender comprises almost 99% of a given kobold populus. They spend most of their lives as asexual hermaphrodites, toiling ceaselessly as the colony's workers, craftsmen and soldiers. They get recruited for breeding purposes according to the colony's needs by the Foreman gender. When this happens, a pair of kobolds that express desirable traits are induced to undergo transformation into their reproductive state. This takes a span of three days, at which point mating needs to happen to maintain their altered hormonal state or they rapidly revert to their native state. During this period the kobolds act slightly more aggressively, but otherwise behavioral changes are miniscule. Like birds kobolds lack external sexual organs, and genetic material is transferred through cloacal kiss. After mating both Workers become pregnant and enter a brooding period, during which this time they lose scale coloration and become timid and withdrawn from society. After three weeks they lay a clutch of 8-10 eggs, which are then transferred to the care of the Priest gender.

>>22005772

>Foremen
Foremen are slightly larger than regular Workers, and secrete a wide variety of pheromones which help to maintain order in a kobold colony. The multitude of hormones circulating in a Foreman make them chemically unstable and thus incapable of reproduction themselves, but they are necessary to induce sexual behavior in Workers. They have a specialized organ on the roof of their mouth which produces the sex hormones required to trigger a transformation in a Worker, and these are administered to the chosen Workers as aerosols - basically as a sneeze into the Worker's nostrils. Although the main function of Foreman pheromones is to induce obedience in Workers, they can have other functions too. For instance, during war time they secrete hormones that help to make Workers fearless, and can even instill a blood frenzy in nearby soldiers.

>Priests
Priests form the absolute ruling class of kobold society. Their major function besides administration and religious duties is to care for and choose how newly laid eggs are incubated. Kobold eggs incubated in high temperature maturate quickest and produce Workers, medium temperature takes longer and produces Foremen, and slow, low temperature incubation yields Priests. Although Priests are completely sterile they are still desirable to have in a small proportion in a colony, since they are the sole member of the species that express any aptitude to magic whatsoever.

>>22005772
>>22005782
You've given kobold sex a lot of thought.

Digitigrade creatures cannot into bipedal if they are digitigrade in the traditional sense. This is kinda because the downward force on a non-moving limb will probably cause the ankle (that second knee looking-thing on a digitigrade critter) to snap. The entirety of the creature's weight is focused on their legs.

>>22008375
>>22008375
Not really, honestly. I woke up too early this morning and this was the first thing that came to my mind while I was waiting to fall asleep again. Then, the first thing I saw on /tg/ today was a honest-to-god kobold thread, so what choice did I have but to share?

>>22008435
There is always a choice.
You chose well.

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>>22008399
Yeah, who ever hear of bipedal digitigrades?

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>>22008574
I mean honestly that's just silly.

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>>22008584
You might as well claim they can walk on water too.

>>22008550
Hey, thanks anon!

>>22008399
depends on hip structure

For those who get pissy over tits on reptiles in this thread.
Argonians... that is all.

>>22009200
they're furries. like, literally furries. lizards that gain human-like characteristics as they eat magic peyote.

the breasts do nothing.

>>22009273
Argonians.. furries... Think about what you're saying for a second. Also actually look into the lore behind Argonians.

>>22009273
Dragons are too heavy to fly.

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>>22009293
Argonians' genders are sometimes referred to as life-phases, implying they may be able to change gender. However, this is unconfirmed, and Argonian hatchlings may be of either gender. Argonian appearance ranges from reptilian to almost human; this is decided by the amount of Hist sap they ingest as hatchlings, which ceremonially takes place on their Naming Day

I suppose furry is the incorrect term. Humie? what the hell would you call an animal that wants to be human?

>>22008399
bollocks

>>22003479
>>Fetish pandering
There is a difference between the attraction people have to naked women and the attraction to fluffy kitties and cutebolds are clearly in the latter

>>22003441
Kobolds used to look like dogs before they looked like dragons.

the influence can be seen in a lot of places based on older iterations of kobolds, like Unforgotten Realms and My Little Pony and whatever else

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>>22010390
Am I kawaii uguu?

I'm not gonna make a big deal of it either way, but all things being equal I would generally prefer digitigrade. (In fact, when I drew up my current lizardman character I chose digitigrade.) My only argument against it is the odds of artists screwing up digitigrade feet and/or entire legs are higher, which may make them ending up looking overall worse than plantigrade. Plantigrade is the safer choice.

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>This thread's still up from last night
I was honestly not expecting this.

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>>22010661
Might as well dump the comic Guoh made, gotta wind down from my last session.

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>>22010750
The last panel never ceases to amuse me~

>>22010750
>gotta wind down from my last session.
Are you the body warmer? Did you tap the kobold booty to keep her warm?

>>22010661
>>22010750
So, with the skeletons, is the idea that they can't get past his AC so they're basically just constantly patting him?

Also, while that sure isn't the princess I'd have been hoping for either, I could make this work.

>>22010904
either that or they are using the armor as DR rules variant and skeletons do pittance damage.

>>22010904
That's what /tg/ has decided, but really Guoh just though it was funny to have them pat the guy.

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>>22010904
You stole my fan theory you sunnava bitch!

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>>22010863
It got... Complicated.

The campaign's shifting into the clusterfuck-phase where the BBEG has forsaken subtlety in favor of sending his minions wherever he thinks the party might be, along with harassing our respective homelands. This left me with very little time to talk to any of the party in general, let-alone find a private moment to slap the Kobold around her head and ask her what her bloody game is.

I managed to get a chance when we returned to the Dragon's lair, whose wrath got me drunk in the first place, to get a look at the loot (I didn't have a chance to look when I last arrived because my comrades were urgent on getting our wounded back to safety). The answer was somewhat unexpected.

Turns out she was truthful, and nothing actually happened. However, not only is the patience between our party-members beginning to fray with so much pressure on us, but our respective homelands are also getting rather aggressive with oneanother. She initially left the circumstances ambiguous so she could use it as a means of blackmail if my character shows intentions of betraying the party, and has apparently been considering using similar tactics to keep the rest of the party from tearing each other to pieces. Sort of like how Batman keeps a Kryptonite ring, I guess.

The session ended shortly after this confrontation. I managed to get myself a swanky new set of armor from the Dragon's loot, and instead using my character as ye-olde heated matress I just wrapped her up in my surcoat (layered as fuck for his cold homelands) and told her I require thought on the situation.

On one hand, it's a relief that the Kobold's intentions weren't like THAT, but on the other hand it's became pretty clear that our party's losing both morale and cohesion.

>>22011060
>party's losing both morale and cohesion
Know what would fix that? An orgy.

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>>22011113
Honestly /tg/, I love you sometimes.

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A setting I'm working on has a race of golem-like dragon worshiping cultists. They travel in packs and form towns around the dragon remains they find (dragons being extinct).
However, most of these remains are underground and/or in stip mine-like holes, so their towns usually work out like hives.

Image loosely related (a comparable image of their appearance, but more gaunt and usually nude, with next-to-no body fat). Their elite grow horns from their skulls, it is a sign of their divine right to rule.

>>22011267
Out of curiosity, what are Dragons like in your setting?

I mean, aside from being extinct.

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>>22011287
Great big demon-esque serpents w/ legs and wings. A more lithe version of the usual afair in body, with bat-like facial features on lizard skulls w/ ram horns. However, their details and facial structures differ greatly. The different religions call them different things, some including them as demons and then also mentioning dragons because nobody ever put 2 and 2 together. While notably intelligent they never really surpassed human intelligence, and defiantly never got to the point where they could communicate or anything.

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>>22011364
I like the sound of 'em. Dragons ought to me scarier in my opinion, the sort of thing you run away from until you're at high levels (none of this lvl 3 Juvenile White Dragon bullshite), and that might even need a macguffin of some sort to be put down for good.

If there's one thing I really liked about the Lord of the Rings, it's that when the Fellowship first faced the Balrog known as Durin's Bane, Legolas, who was old enough to know about Balrogs, simply freaked the fuck out.

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>>22011364
& there was Xurum. He tried to eat the world when he came through a rift in the world's core. Some of the gods thought it would be a good idea, make the humas once-again fearful of the world; but it almost ate the world. Carved out a new sea in the process.

>>22011438
yeah

If there's one thing I don't like about D&D's fluff stuff, it's how every magical creature is super intelligent and magical and like a mega wizard. They're not monsters at all.

Monsters should be monstrous.

Elder Dcrolls did it neatly too, w/ most of them being seemingly mindless destroyers, and only the eldest having human-level intelligence.

>>22011438
Yeah I really like it when dragons feel awesome in fantasy, I think LeGuin's dragons in Earthsea really captured the sense of age, size, and power that dragons ought to have.

>>22011267
>golem
Gollum, fuck.
I do that every time.

>>22011495
I've been meaning to pick up Earthsea for a while. Worth getting into?

>>22011894
It's YA-lit, first one might seem a little juvenile to you but Tombs of Autan and The Furthest Shore are quite good. I haven't read any of the new ones so I can't peak for those.

>>22011060
...how boring

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time for MORE KOBOLDS

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I'm legitimately suprised that there is so much awful kobold fanart out there

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like, for every awesome pic I find i have to sift through like 40 "ughhhh" pictures

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>>22013059
>>22013071
I blame cutebolds, personally.

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but honestly, its totally worth it when you find that awesome picture

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>>22013083
the thing is, most aren't even "cutebolds". most are just really poorly drawn

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>>22013154
True that. Still, that good quality pictures are rare enough that I'll grab what I can, I'm not fond of it. Kobolds need more exposure mang

I'd prefer digitigrade, on the grounds that it looks more lizard-like

Leave more anthro stuff for dragonborn or other races that are explicitly supposed to be just dragon-like people instead of just derivatives of dragons

ignore that. just some rantings.

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>>22013202
forgot my post, damn it.

>>22011482
You might like the way the dresden rpg handles it then -- they're still mostly magical but magic is separate from intelligence (and is a function of devotion/conviction instead) and things that get too powerful become ever more beast-like in behavior (measured mechanically by a "refresh level" which is basically how many points you get to spend on swag feats, but you can lose them by breaking cosmic laws or chimping out too hard or whatever other shit)

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kinda wish i knew what "kobold" translated into japanese is, so I could check out pixiv

>>22011113
Preferably a large orgy started by grappling mulitple orgies out of the sky after being shot out of a catapult onto the top of a plateau. That'd be great.

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>>22013299
the way you're thinking reminds me of "I attack the gazebo" story from way back when

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>>22013200
Lizards are plantigrade. Digitigrade is more of a mammal/bird thing

>>22013375
I did not know that

I guess plantigrade would look right for lizard-lookin things then

but dragons are sorta bird-like, but replacing feathers with scales. I dunno. depends on the dragon

I guess the moral of this post is "as long as it doesn't look weird it's okay"

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>>22013249

translate.google.com
kobold - コボルド (Koborudo)

God Speed Google.

>>22013993
Well that's the obvious, direct way to spell the word. But is that the proper name? Try translating it back, see if it even spells it right.

Also, it would be good to check if there are rpgs that came out in english and japanese that have obvious kobolds, we could check the names there.

>>22013541
So, they're dinosaur-like

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I've got like an hour to kill, anyone want a kobold scribble

>>22014841
I asked this on a previous thread: your version of a pangolin kobold

>>22014841
this>>22014873
then the kobold and knight from
>>22010661
>>22010750
>>22010760
cuddling by the camp fire

>>22014910
My approval, you have it

>>22014910

Do this, and later if you have the time, draw a Kobold sleeping in a surcoat as mentioned in >>22011060

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>>22014910
>>22014951
>Both these ideas
HNNNNNGHH MY HEART

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>>22000412
too late?

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>>22014873
you really like pangolins, huh

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This thread still going?

I recommend this article to explain biomechanics of those awesome predatory dinosaurs. Basically, tails were very stiff and contained huge muscles connecting directly to femur. This probably gave those predators awesome leg power and speed. It doesn't seem to me that it would work with plantigrade feet. Digitigrade wins, flawless victory.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/10/18/butch-tail-made-carnotaurus-a-champion
-dinosaur-sprinter/

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>>21998860
I've played about five different kobolds in various campaigns now and every one of them has been digitigrade.
They don't wear shoes. In the event that they come across some magically enchanted footwear (which has never happened), it would probably gets passed along to another party member or else sold for cash.
In the event that I want to buy magically enchanted footwear (which has happened), I just make a point of saying I want to commission it in some wonky form that works for me and nobody else, like foot bracers or something.
I don't think anyone in my group actually cares one way or the other.

>>22015410
I like the idea of genetic drift between all the kinds of kobolds in one setting, and pangolins fill a gap there. With style, even. Thanks a bunch.

>>22000678
okay I need an official /tg/ guide to making kobolds.

right down to the bones and guts.

>>22015707
Their guts are filled with candy. Low level adventurers like to tie bandanas around their eyes and run into their caves, swinging wildly as they are armed with only a large stick.

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>>22015707
>>22015529

I love my critter designs meaty and realistic. Have a muscle attachment diagram I just found.
Man, just imagine the mechanical leverage of this system!

That's sexy.

I prefer digitigrade in any possible case, because it's hot.

>>22015760
no wonder they are so adept at traps.

I can just see kobold kidnapping is a huge problem as such an event must be popular with children and must have a huge demand. it's kinda of scary when I think about it.

if I was a kobold I'd make sure to boobytrap my organs.

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Fear not citizens, Koboldicus has returned

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>>22015850

You get the idea. Essentially- an alternative to having buttocks.

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>>22015925
>>22015850
this is my fetish.

Kobolds and Lizardfolk should only be allowed to use spears and macuahuitls.

>>22014841

Kobold in full plate with a mace and shield.

>>22015925
>>22015850
>>22015529
>>22015983

Tonight, before going to sleep I will deeply relax in my bed and using all the information I found, try to imagine myself having this anatomy. Feel the swinging mass of the tail, its inertia and pull it exerts on my legs. I will imagine running faster than any living animal, catching prey and feasting on warm flesh.
Oh yeah, I am that good at this. You wish you were.

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>>22016181
have fun with the lucid dream thing.

>>22015529
>>22015850
Would that kind of anatomy work with an upright creature though? It requires the tail be rigid, and the bones the muscles attach to are part of the lower torso. It's spine would need to be straight for them to work. Also, the muscle structure in question doesn't deal with the lower leg. Digitigrade may not neccessarily be a requirement

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can't wait for my bones shipment next year. I'm have a dozen kobolds to paint up and fill a cavern with. Then all I will need is some players.

>>22003915
this guy knows what he's talkin' about.

>>22016253
Answer: it would not. The book's author stresses that body position was very close to horizontal at all times- this is the only workable solution.

Thing is though- this 'inverted ischium' is characteristic to most bird-like bipedal dinosaurs, so if I were to make a kobold- I'd design around that.

Caudofemoralis muscle in the tail is pretty important to justify metabolic expense of having such large tail. It attaches to femur and gives much leg power. That, and swimming.

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>Have setting with pangolin based kobolds
>Large group hanging in tree
>Hungry players go to investigate this odd fruit
>Itsatrap.jpg

>>22016486
Oh lawdy. Imagine Tucker's Kobolds with Pangolinbolds...

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I had to. Because I want this to be a thing now.

>>22016772
fund it

>>22016772
nice

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>>22016791

>>22016772
I think they offer an intresting twist to the idea of kobolds. I'm writing a little story about a small group of them stealing honey (which will probably go no where and never get finished like most stuff I do) and they are just fun to work with.

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>>22016900

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Do them in this body type.

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>pangolin gets tongue pierced
>turns out to be a thimble pointed to be sharp
>stabs people with his tongue like a genestealer

>>22016772
>>22016895
>>22017014
Cz, these are awsome, but, you know pangolins don't have ears right? I think you might have an ear fetish. That's cool, I was with a girl like that once, really easy to get her off.

>>22017014
yes.

>>22017090
Holyshit that is awesome. Stealing that idea.

>>22016772
>>22016895
>>22017014
Now do one hanging from it's tail waiting for an ambush! These are awesome.

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>>22017038
One Bean Body Pangolinbold commin' up.

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>>22017103

Yeah and Kobolds are a fictional creature. Your move friend. All joking aside, I realize they dont have ears.

>>22017103
Eh, we can just say they have scales that act as pseudo ears.

>>22017204
How is your recovery from sandy going by the way? Gonna be up and running again with Everignot in the near future?

>>22017204
>Kobolds are a fictional creature
Touché good sir.

>>22017266

I've been given word I should be back in my house within the next month or two, but I'm moving to a different location where I can have the time and privacy to draw Everignot once more. I cant give a actual date, so all I can say is soon.

>>22017090
That's their holy wargear. Only warriors get their tongue pierced, and the only wear their piercings when they swear an oath to show no mercy and leave none of the tribe's enemies alive.

>>22016181
I-
I think
I think you might be a furry.

doesn't mean I'm not jealous anyway

>>22017204
Kinda reminds me of an Armadillo.

...

Armadillo-bold?

>>22017380
Pangolins are very similar to armadillos, only better.
Also they don't give a fuck about lions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgq_qcWdRZ8

>>22017380
That's a pangolin bro.

>>22017465

Dat pangolin don't give NO fucks.

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>>22017380

Armadillos don't have prehensile tails.

>>22017161
cool

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>>22017465
Gil the Kenku Mob boss on cowardice,
>But at least the kobolds have an excuse, if I was armored like a dragon in back and a puppy in front I'd probably spend most of my time running away too.

>>22017465
>PC's travel to a Safari-like land
>Meet a tribal town of cat people, having trouble with local Pangolbold populace

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Pangolinbolds as siegebreaker units.
>Suit up
>Defense curl
>Giant creature lifts by tail
>Lob Pangolinbold over the wall

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>>22017817
Just imagine being shelled with Pangolinbolds. Cutest bombardment ever.

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>>22016034
back from final stuff

>>22016772
>>22016895
>>22017014
AAAA THESE IS ADORABLE

>>22017103
>put ears on made up fantasy race
>earophile

>>22018026
>earophile
You say that like it's a bad thing. Hook up with a girl with sensitive ears, it might change your mind.

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>>22018026
>DRAGON TITS shield

10/10 would adventure with

>>22018047
It's just that you seemed like, offended or something that he put ears on them. honestly they look nicer
>>22016772
compared to >>22017204

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>>22018003
>>22017817

>>22018240
It was a joke you silly person. I actually think they look better with ears, but these threads don't feel complete without someone accusing someone else of using a kobold to fulfill their fetish.

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>>22017817

Lets make this cannon somewhere.