wut

>>18193676
>they want to fuck

>suddenly, it becomes the best day ever

>>18193676
Turns out my girlfriend was a manufactured, that her 'reassign' was due to her being horrifically damaged on the battlefield during a fight with one of the secondary angels while we were fighting a primary but that before she died they managed to save her get her back here and copy-paste her mind and transport her off to be researched on just before an angel wiped the base and because they left her alone with the machine for 30 seconds it's now hardwired into the genetic code of every clone based off her Genetic frame EVER that's produced from now on to be in love with me, now my character has a dozen or so copied girlfriends which he managed to sneak back into NERV and who all totally agree its not cheating as they are all technically the same person.

>>18193731
D'awww.

Go for the harem ending!

>>18193731
He's also learned the strange and terrible fact that all NERV black ops are based off the blueprint template and are grown rather than born, meaning after every attack, more and more of the staff of NERV are based off a template that's madly in love with me. I get the nasty feeling the GM is expecting me to use this for something beyond sleeping with every woman in NERV, like initiating a hostile take over; or capturing the machines and going into over drive; or rescuing Girlfriend Prime who's been revealed to be being kept in another Research compound which is directly built into the Diaric Sea.

>>18193796
So naturally I'm planning to kill the boss who lied to me because fuck him, hijack my EVA which has a S2 organ and go lay seige to one of the most heavily armoured compounds ever created, which doesn't even exist in a land where physics apply; right after I find a way to hijack another template so I don't have to turn my girlfriend into the conscripts from Red Alert and send hordes of them off to their deaths; possibly even my own DNA as a template, since fuck it, no one would fight as hard for her as he will and I've got good Neospartan stats.

>>18193842
And I know its the calm before the storm, that it's all going to go horribly, horribly wrong and come crashing down on me because this is Evangelion and no one gets all the Moe bitches in Evangelion, infact something will enter the field which shall take my moe bitches and leave depression and madness and bad endings, no way that this is going to end well for my character. But he loves her; and the GM says theres an angel coming up in the Diarac sea which will give him a chance to go after her, so I've already in game began the trip to Delta to reactivate the cloning vats, assisted by my piles of girlfriend in tuning up the growth acceleration. Sure it'll leave the packs of clones of me with inoperable brain cancer and genetic defects, but fuck it they're going to die storming hell anyway and those tht don't...well I don't have a clue what I'm going to do with them...maybe a massive manufactured Square dance?
I've got 3 months or so IC though I think and I know my luck is going to run out sooner or later and shit will hit the fan.

>>18193930
Well, hit the fan even more, since he's currently planning an attack on a NERV compound, /the/ NERV research compound really, the most powerful force in the world protecting their most valuable asset, with an army of terminally ill clones of himself while at the same time the real him and his team fight an angel, possibly the GM hinted even an ArchAngel, some high power member of NERV hates his guts and the woman he loves is off in some god forsaken research faucility and fuck knows what's happening to her, for all I know this is going to be a massive NTR troll and clones are gestated in the wombs of clones mass production style, or she's been turned into Robo-cop, or is the new Evangelion that's been brought in or all the clones are going to turn on each other as each develops their own personality away from the template and wants me for themself in some sort of Yandere Highlander.
And the GM has forshadowed that I'm going to have to choose between protecting the compound she's in, and protecting the world from the 3rd impact...in which case, I might just go Fuck the world and shield the Compound since she's the reason he's still fighting at all.
So I might just end up as the villian of this whole piece really, what with turning on NERV, leaving humanity to die, butchering the Commander and having an army of clones.
All I know OOC is that shit is approaching terminal crazy velocity at speed and I'm not sure what the hell is going to happen in the next 2-3 sessions except that I am getting the girl I love back, come hell, high water, reality bending eldrich abominations, dickass conspiracies or possibly the end of the world.
tl;dr my character got a girlfriend as a casual thing and one day woke up covered in bitches, and is now experiencing something somewhere between attack of the clones and a Harem anime if all the girls got on.

>>18194070
So, how has your GM dicked with you recently /tg/?
>Pic related, I managed to use that line in game once, she overheard it and its how a casual crush turned into being truely love struck for her.

>And finds an entire tank filled with copies of her; I thaw them out, they take one look at my dude, then dog pile him while as a pack saying 'I knew you'd come for me
>Turns out my girlfriend was a manufactured
>all NERV black ops are based off the blueprint template and are grown rather than born, meaning after every attack, more and more of the staff of NERV are based off a template that's madly in love with me.
>lay seige to one of the most heavily armoured compounds ever created
>massive manufactured Square dance
>massive NTR troll
>turned into Robo-cop,
>is the new Evangelion that's been brought in
>Yandere Highlander.
>And the GM has forshadowed that I'm going to have to choose between protecting the compound she's in, and protecting the world from the 3rd impact...in which case, I might just go Fuck the world and shield the Compound since she's the reason he's still fighting at all.
Your GM's head is full of billions and billions of fucks.

>>18194171
No, OP. YOU are the Gendo.

>In love
>Stable relationship
>Serious about it
>Not emotionally stunted manchild
>Fights to keep his girlfriend
>Stands up for himself
>Willing to storm the gates of hell itself with an amassed clone army for his true girlfriend who is probably dead or disabled rather than leave her to her fate and just accept the pile of girls he has
Fuck yes, you are the best Evangelion character Ever.

After a long hard campaign, it turns out that the thing we had been protecting in Nerv?

Totally worthless. It was nothing more than an advanced alien recording device, monitoring everything within 50 miles of itself.

The Angels we were fighting were weapons being sent at us by aliens to guide our evolution as a species during a very formative period in our development. Not only giving us an enemy to rally against rather than destroy ourselves with WW3, but one that we would have to make incredible technological advances to overcome. Once we reached some minimum level of advanced technology, they stopped attacking us, gave us a big hug, and said that they would be waiting for us in the Kuiper Belt, whenever we are ready to see the galaxy at large.

As if they hadn't just spent that last 3 years fucking massacring whole cities, and we had not had 2 PCs (self included) permakilled in the final fight.

Fucking. Alien. Douchebags.

The OD, who hated the angels so much, ended up losing his command in the epilogue after trying to persuade the UN to go to war with the aliens for revenge. Apparently, the UN is sick of all this "fighting horrible alien monsters" thing and is willing to call it quits if the aliens are.

So, we didn't save the world. The world was never REALLY in danger. All of our personal sacrifices were pointless, but the conflict as a whole, we are told, has been a major step forward for humanity.

So yeah. Mixed feelings.

What the flying fuck.

>>18194395
Again, that's basically just Gendo with a different coat of paint. He lost his wife and said "Fuck it." He decided that even if he had to damn the whole world to get her back he'd do it. That is compelling, but not very heroic.

Your GM is fucked in the prainpan, dudebro.

>>18194395

Five bucks says it turns out they're both clones of someone else, and are technically brother and sister.

>>18194458
Except Gendo was an emotionally stunted dislikable manchild who took it out on his Son and who's wife was dead.
Meanwhile this guy is still fighting, he's not a bad guy, he's just going to have to make a choice it seems and he's choosing to go with the woman he loves and prioritize her rather than everyone else, by the sound of it OP still expects everyone else to be fine, he's just willing to risk it.

Also OP, your GM is fucked in the head in the best way possible, get him to run Unknown armies or something next time. Who knows what will happen.

I suddenly feel like playing AE.

Fuck now I want to play AdEva. Anyone GM for it?

>>18194583
>>18194593
Either of you know a GM for it?

>>18194600
Step up.

I can't find the original version, but OP's character is all this.
Also,
>>18194583
>>18194593
Check the AdEva IRC, they got GMs.

>>18194621
>Implying I am creative or likeable
>Implying I don't want to play aggro-bitch

In all seriousness, I'd GM for it if I wasn't GM for 1 RL pathfinder campaign, 1 IRC pathfinder campaign, and 1 IRC WFRP campaign.

>>18194634
...source?

>>18194650
Don't put so much on your plate.

>>18194709

I can manage 3 campaigns. But 4? FOUR? Too much.

What's the adeva IRC?

OP, you have an awesome GM and you are an awesome player. Just saying.

>>18194650
Similar situation here. Doesn't help one of those games I've currently got an IRL group of Ad Eva players with a game in stasis from when we lost a few players late last year.

I'm actually planning on playing in a AdEva campaign in the upcoming weeks as the OD, having previously played as a pilot. Since our OD was a little off the rails (trapping us inside the base for months after a freak paintballing accident killed and/or permenantly injured a large portion of our classmates) I'm trying to avoid too much inspiration from him, so anyone got any tips they could share?

tl;dr manipulating children and being a good OD, wat do?

OP give us an update on how it goes, okay?

Bonus points if anything happens in the game that's reminiscent of Bliss Stage.

>>18194751
Remember that you're basically the only 'friend' they'll have amongst the adults, so even when you use them, use them to help them.
Remember that carrots work as well as sticks, better infact.
Don't be afraid to use sex appeal if playing a woman, Misato used it and its manipulative rather than creepy, horny teenage boys are easy to manipulate.
Remember above all, to be hands off and give them time alone, you won't be in every scene, that's cool, you can watch over Cameras, bug rooms, do intruige in the background, ect; when I'm OD'ing in the IRC game I'm in, I'm always on the internet dicking about waiting for the perfect time to enter, that's fine, you're less a Protagonist, more a very important secondary character, above all, learn to be cool with that before you start.

>>18194782
Will do, the next session is on Saturday; I'll keep things posted, I don't know when the fight will be though, probably in a few sessions time, in which case it's End of Evangelion Time, since this one is likely the Big One.

>>18194751

The best way to manipulate children?

Be totally up front with them. Be their best friend. Be TOTAL BROS with them in every way.

... on the outside. In actuality, you can be as secretive and manipulative as you want. But for gods sake don't ACT like it.

If a pilot asks you about something, ask yourself: "Is there really any reason for me not to tell him?"

If you cant tell him, say so. "Sorry bro, cant tell you that. Could cost me my job. Instead, have a dollar!"

Which has a delicious irony to it since money is worthless in AdEva.

>>18194528
Perhaps, but my point is that Gendo, like the OP's character:
1) Lost the woman he loved
2) Discovered a way he might be able to get her back
3) Decided she was more important than anything or anyone else
OP even said, he could well become the villain. That's what's interesting about Evangelion. Everyone who's motivations we know of has sympathetic reasons for what they do. We don't know WHAT SEELE or the Angels really want, but Gendo, well his motivations are intriguing, almost romantic.
And, unlikeable manchild, based on what? We don't really know much about Gendo before he met Yui, outside of the fact that he got into a bar fight.

Screencap for those who want it

is this clone another player?

>>18194896

Actually? Seele's motivation was they wanted to "pause" humanity.

In short, they felt that the evolution of mankind had hit its peak. We were not going to get any better at what we do than we are right now. From here on out, it is just a question of when we go extinct, how, and how long we spend miring around in the evolutionary stagnant period where civilized life removes natural selection.

So, rather than wait for everything to go to hell in one form or another, Seele was going to literally "quit while we are ahead".

Humanity would be frozen in its current level of ability as a pool of LCL. Not moving forward, sure. But not moving backward either. Living eternally.

That was the plan, at any rate.

>>18195079
Okay, correction, we don't really know what DROVE them to that level of desperation, beyond being able to guess that this cabal of old men might have wanted to make themselves like unto the very gods. Because I highly doubt those old bastards were really concerned with the rest of mankind.

>>18194991
But anon, if you save it as a PNG it's smaller and better quality!

>>18195126
well, a nice side effect of it would have been that as long as they were around when 3I happened, they would get to live forever too. EVERYONE gets a free pass into the eternal life of human instrumentality. Lilith aint picky.

Unless you are Gendo. Plan:Treatyourkidlikeshit didn't work out so hot for him

>>18195079
As somebody once put it "SEELE are the worst transhumanists ever."

>>18195191
I don't think Gendo MEANT to treat Shinji like shit. I think he was afraid of him, and that it hurt him to be around the kid, because he looks so much like his mother.
Shinji and Gendo are two sides of a coin. They are Pink and his fascist alternate persona, if you will excuse the comparison and are familiar with The Wall. Fucked up and just trying to make the pain stop, without really planning things out.
That's right, without planning. I don't really think Gendo is as great a planner as people give him credit for. He just knew that if you kept taking small steps towards the final goal, you'd get there eventually, and come out looking like you'd planned it all along. But that stopped working, and it got him killed.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Gendo had come from an abusive home. Look at how readily he ditched his family name when he married Yui. She may well have been the first person to tell him they loved him, and that he was worthy of existence, although that's all just my crazy wank. He's still a bastard, but I can't bring myself to hate him.

>>18195308
Not the guy you're responding to, but I'm with you on every last point.
Gendo is really good at short-term dickery and keeping himself afloat, really terrible long-term planning and long-term consideration of the consequences of his actions.
And truly pathetic in the classical sense of the world. So much so that you can't even consider him a proper villain.

>>18195308

You don't know? Gendo's home life was pretty shit. He didn't get along with either of his parents.
Apparently, in the manga, there is a whole monologue were Gendo goes on about how incredibly envious he was of Shinji as a child, because Yui was the sort of mother he had wished he had.

Which is exactly as creepy as it sounds the longer you think about it.

Once, it was revealed that our entire game took place in a universe parallel to the canon-verse. Our buried treasure was Asuka, from whom we had harvested AT-Field (they weren't native to our own universe) and kept her in time-locked storage. The BBEG was actually Shinji/Unit-01, who had clawed his way out of the canon-verse and was trying to rescue Asuka.

>Eva with an S2 organ
>SEELE or their equivalent hasn't accelerated their plans to the endgame before you or someone else does exactly what you're planning to do

Gendo was just a grown-up Shinji.

>>18195497
Well, Sadamoto's manga isn't exactly the most accurate source of information, if we're talking in terms of what is canonically known.
That said, that is a very reasonable interpretation of one of the aspects of Gendo's interactions with Shinji, and yeah, all sorts of fucking creepy.

>>18195526
inb4 the universe you played in was identical to Rebuild down the last detail

Gendo grew up in an awful home, learned that expecting affection was setting yourself up for a fall than that trying to get close to other people only hurt himself. A sort of mirror to Shinji, only instead of being a bitch about it Gendo told the world to go fuck itself.

Until he met Yui. SHE got through to him when no one else could, and proved to him that he really did want human companionship.

Which also is why he was SO devoted to her. You ever had a dog you rescued from the pound? Same thing. That dog has seen some shit, been abandoned, and appreciates the hell out of the home you provide to it now.

It also explains why he was such a shitty dad. Not only was Shinji an uncomfortable reminder of Yui... but he probably honestly didn't know how to be a father. Not if his own childhood was so crap.

>>18195451
Exactly. Gendo is a sad strange little man, and he has my pity. I honestly think that, had Yui not been absorbed, he may have made, if not a great, at least a passable father. But she went and got herself eaten, and he got so focused on getting her back that he just kept telling himself "I'll get Yui back, then I'll deal with getting close to Shinji, I mean he's just a kid, I've still got time." So when the time comes to call him to Tokyo 3, he hems and he haws and he can't decide what to say, until the last minute, when he sits down to write the summons, and he decides to tell the boy EVERYTHING. But it gets sent back by the NERV censors with the WHOLE LETTER redacted (that black stuff is classic military censor redaction tape, it's used to keep people from giving things away in letters to family, and I'm damn sure NERV had a censor's office). So he tries to come up with a way to say it all that'll get past the censor, but in the end decides "Fuck it, the file says he's a bright kid, he'll know what to do" writes "come" on the paper, attaches the ID, stuffs it in an envelope, and gives it to the nearest subordinate (in the case, Misato), who decides to meet the kid and make sure the boy gets to NERV in one piece. Then he sees him, from his safe box high above, and sees that the boy looks so much like Yui, and he shits himself and decides "Oh shit. He must hate me. I'll fix it all after we get Yui back. Yeah, that's it, I'll get Yui back and then he'll love me, I'm sure of it."

You haven't had an awesome adeva game until you have an elegant, cute as hell pink-haired Manufactured OpDir.

>>18195308
Gendo treated Shinji like shit because he viewed everyone as a means to an end: reuniting with Yui. What love a father has for their son was almost entirely dead in Gendo. It's part of why his wife kills him.

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>>18195605
Wow. /tg/ having better Evangelion discussions than /a/. Why does this not surprise me.

>>18195600
Hell, Gendo probably doesn't even understand what a father IS. Apart from the Oedipal vibes of Shinji's attraction to Rei, there's also the inverse-Oedipal clusterfuck of Gendo's interactions with Shinji, which is somehow even creepier, as there's ample evidence of him viewing Shinji as a rival for Yui's affections.
It's like he's conflated motherly love with romantic love and lust, and seriously considers Shinji a threat on all three fronts in regards to Yui.
Dude is fucked up.

>>18195658
Because /a/ doesn't understand anime. It's too deep.

>>18194458
Gendo's an interesting take on the normally romantic, heroic "would do anything for love" figure.

Here we see that taken to its logical extreme. Here is a man who will - a does - sacrifice everything for love. Humanity's future. Friends. Lovers. Colleagues. His own son and the only people he cares about. He's a disgusting figure, not a heroic or romantic one.

>>18195658

Man, there are a bunch of anime fans who STILL do not know what actually happened in EoE.

/tg/ not only understood it, but then explained it and provided 8 other alternative scenarios in the "Third Impact and You" chapter that follow the game rules, but a different endgame plan.

roleplayers are, at heart, world builders and storytellers.

I'm in a space opera campaign that's been going since 2007, really crazy shit, it's been pretty awesome.

Then it ends with some twist about how the entire campaign was a bedtime story being told to a kid by his grandpa, and it all really happened, but our characters were made up to make the story "happier," it really ended with the BBEG winning and everyone dying.

Shit was fucking bullshit.

>>18195699
Thus why I have the easiest time discussing stuff on /tg/, even when it's only relevant in a tertiary sense. /a/ is full of passive viewers, who are full of their own shit. I'm something of an actorfag, so I find their inability to actually analyze a character on any meaningful level FUCKING INFURIATING, whereas roleplayers do it all the time (RPGs were my door to acting actually), and are damn good at it.

>>18195732
>>18195668

/a/ browser here who also frequents /tg/.

Fuck both of you. /a/ is a perfectly fine board. It gets a lot of shit, even from it's own users, but you'll never find better discussion of anime anywhere on the internet.

Personally, I think you're just hipsters who think Evangelion is the pinnacle of all things anime.

>>18195605
Yeah, Gendo screwed up pretty badly, in pretty much the way you would expect an adultified (but adult) Shinji to screw up.
Of course, part of the blame falls on Yui. It's pretty clear from the anime, at least, that she had the best intentions at heart (i.e.: stopping 3rd Impact so that her son would have a life ahead of him), that she had little choice (i.e.: she knew SEELE knew about her intentions, and were going to kill her as soon as she outlived her usefulness) but to disappear into Unit-01 to await the time when she could wrest control of 3rd Impact and stop that shit in its tracks, but she goofed hard in regards to Gendo and Kozo. Poor woman was blind to the fact that both men were carrying on only out of obsessive love for her, and that went and bit her in the ass when it turned out they weren't capable of functioning like sane human beings when she was out of the picture.

>>18195762
I loathe Eva. I just loathe /a/ more.

>>18195762
Please, not the "anime hipsters" strawman. That one's tired even among wee/a/boos.

Actually, /a/ can (and does) discuss Eva just fine. If you're paying attention and know about some translation letters, it's not all that inpenetrable, anyway. Especially not if you just leave the weird imagery in EoE aside.

Honestly, I can only think of two real ambiguities in EoE: why Shinji chokes Asuka, and "kimochi warui." Which are, IIRC, are intended to be ambiguous to the viewer.

>>18195762
4/10

>>18195762
To be fair, I'm sure part of the reason is that large segments of /a/ are sick and fucking tired of hearing about NGE and can't wait for it to be over.

>>18195820
errors, not letters

>>18195762
Sure, if you want to talk about stuff airing in Japan RIGHT NOW, but if you want to discuss something more than a year old, you'll just get trolled to hell and back.
And no, Evangelion has plenty of flaws, and I actually prefer Ghost in the Shell if I had to pick a "pinnacle" from what I've seen, but it all comes back to Eva for me, because it's the show that defined my middle school years.

>>18195855

Yeah, sure, that's why Aria threads and YKK threads are some of the best threads on 4chan period.

/tg/. We discuss other boards.

No OP, you are the Gendo.

And then OP murdered himself ten times over for someone who was disgusted and horrified with what he did.

>>18195827
>To be fair, I'm sure part of the reason is that large segments of /a/ are sick and fucking tired of hearing about NGE and can't wait for it to be over.
NGE has been over for the last 15 goddamn years. The reasons for 99% of the discussions of Eva on /a/ and everywhere else on the internet come down to faggots who somehow manage the mental gymnastics and contortions necessary to fail to understand it, and then start blabbering on about it, requiring the ever present population of the people who didn't somehow end up skiing uphill to show up to correct them, in the futile hope that a day will come when their efforts aren't wasted, and that they may somehow convince the idiots not to spread their cancer and misinformation every-which-way.

>>18195934
Yes. Yes we do. Polite sage for lack of content in my post.

>>18195952

>NGE has been over for the last 15 goddamn years.

Do you even know what Rebuild is? Do you?

>Rest of that post
>LOOK HOW SMART I AM FOR CLAIMING TO UNDERSTAND A CONVOLUTED PIECE OF SHIT

>>18195769
Actually EoE made it seem Yui was trying to achieve immorality and godhood by controlling the third impact, I am not sure that qualifies as the 'best intentions'.

As well she knew damn well exactly what would happen when she crawled in Unit 01 and called Shinji in to 'See how bright his future is.' So I think it is very reasonable to assume she wanted everyone to be fucked in the head after she went.

>>18195952
To put this in context for fa/tg/uys...okay. Imagine you just met someone who played Skyrim, right? And they go "I have a theory on why the Dwemer disappeared. They actually turned into the Falmer!"

This is the sort of full retard that happens in Eva discussions.

My god, I'd heard of this anime years ago, but I never bothered to look into it until tonight. It seems depressing as shit.

>>18195982

Have you even ever been in an NGE thread in /a/? I mean with your blinders off, of course. And minus the bigotry and bias you seem to have against /a/.

>>18195963
>Rebuild
There's your problem. Stop treating Rebuild as if it's synonymous with NGE and the problem goes away.

>>18195990
Not really, if you actually look at it, the message is surprisingly optimistic. The CONTENT is a downer (the show is basically responsible for the proliferation of the term "mind rape") definitely, and the characters are all pathetic in the classical sense on some level, but the whole point is...
well I'll just let you see if you can figure it out yourself after watching the show.

>>18195990
you kinda have to watch
I watched it last year and had so many "oh thats whats that from" moments

>>18196022

... you do realize Rebuild is part of the NGE canon, right? When we say we want NGE to end, we mean we want Rebuild to be over with and Anno to stop trolling us.

Jesus Christ you're retarded.

>>18195982
To be fair, this also describes 99% of Eva threads on /tg/, too.

>>18196038
> Stop liking what I don't like.

>>18195963
There's nothing to fail to understand. It's filled to the brim with Christian Veneer and psychobabble that japan is fond of. It's the idiots that don't get this and are trying to find the deeper meaning of why there was a ghost train in FF 6 and the symbolism of you being able to suplex it.

>>18196054

What? How does that even apply to what I just said?

You said Rebuild isn't connected to NGE. I have no fucking clue how you think that's correct in any way, shape, or form.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
whats 2.5 or Borderline like?

>>18196071
Incoming "Rebuild is actually a direct chronological sequel to NGE" conspiracy theory image in 3...2...

>>18196094

>Conspiracy theory

I legitimately do not understand why people can't comprehend the fact that it's a sequel.

>>18196071
No, it's connected, but whether it's a sequel, an alternate but equally valid universe, a remake, or some other thing, but nobody fucking knows because... *GASP* IT'S NOT OVER YET AND THERE'S BEEN NO PROOF FOR ANY THEORY OVER ANY OTHER!
The point is that I've seen what can happen to an Eva thread on /a/. It devolves into people fighting over Rebuild. And if you don't like it... IGNORE IT! Problem solved.

>>18196038
>Rebuild
>part of the NGE canon
No, no it's fucking not, you christshitting dipfuck. It's a different fucking story. Anno has explicitly stated that it's a different fucking story. The fucking inconsistencies and flat-out contradictions with the established canon of the anime series and EoE make it really fucking obvious that it's a different fucking story, set in its own separate canon.
What is so fucking hard to comprehend about that? It's a separate fucking product, compartmentalize it instead of conflating it with the original.

>>18196135

>No, it's connected, but whether it's a sequel, an alternate but equally valid universe, a remake, or some other thing, but nobody fucking knows because... *GASP* IT'S NOT OVER YET AND THERE'S BEEN NO PROOF FOR ANY THEORY OVER ANY OTHER!

And my fucking point is is that /a/ is indeed angry over the fact that it's not fucking over yet.

Jesus Christ.

>>18196141

I'll just leave this here...

Also:

>Anno has explicitly stated that it's a different fucking story.

>Implying Anno isn't the greatest troll of the decade

>Implying you have a source to this statement either way

>>18196186
Congratulations on swallowing Anno's bait whole.
I'll just wait here, quietly ignoring Rebuild until 2046, when the Ultra-Definitive Final Premium Director's Uncut Cut Deluxe True^2 (v3) of the Nth Rebuild film is finally released and Anno croaks, thus preventing any more authorized updates before dealing with that bullshit.

>>18196186
And would it not be a bigger troll to give all those fake clues and have nothing come of it? NGE is full of fake symbolism, so why shouldn't Rebuild be?

>>18196289

So... What you're telling me is that Anno is pulling a WIFOM?

Yeah, nah, lern2logic. Occam's Razor.

>>18196300
>Occam's Razor
>Evangelion
>pick one

>>18196330

So is Evangelion complicated or what, then, faggot?

>>18196330
>I chose Rapture

>>18196446
The only logical choice.
Speaking of which, how would an AdEva game set in NERV Rapture work out?

>>18196289
Well, Eva didn't have fake symbolism so much as shit tacked on that looked cool that people misinterpreted as symbolism.

Anno deliberately dropping "fake" clues just to troll people who take Eva too seriously would require him to still have a sort of passive-aggressive resentful hate-on for them. Which is always possible, granted.

>>18196300
Anno has a hardon for fake symbolism, like all tha shit with the qaballa, which was only there for flavor. If he's as big a troll as you state, then it would be far more in character to fuck with you by including all kinds of visual nods that mean NOTHING in the long run, just like all the references to Judeo-Christian mythology in NGE meant NOTHING, beyond being there for flavor. All that is necessary for my theory to be true is that:
1: Anno be a giant fucking nerd (we already know this for a fact)
2: And that Anno enjoys fucking with his fans (which is what you assert in your theory).

Whereas your theory requires:
1: That Anno enjoy fucking with his fans
2: That Anno decide to make a sequel for no real reason (he has stated numerous times that he was satisfied with the ending for the series)
3: That Anno NOT just feel like making a shitload of money by doing an alternate take on his most successful work, but rather like making some convoluted sequel without just saying it's a sequel which would be a cleaner way to make cash.

Oh god, is it a full moon!? /tg/ is turning into /a/!

ABANDON SHIP

>>18196497

/tg/

You dont even need the other boards anymore.

>>18196300
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

Entities Must Not Be Multiplied Beyond Necessity

Occam would leave NGE looking like a crackhouse after a driveby: full of holes and blood.

>>18196398
It's simple as fuck, and you're misusing Occam's Razor.
Occam's Razor requires us to disregard extraneous shit to arrive at the simplest explanation.
In this case, the explanation you so desperately want to be true is that Rebuild is some convoluted pseudo-sequel to NGE, requiring all the random extraneous shit that Anno tossed in to troll you to pan out as being connected to the superficially similar shit that showed up in NGE.
The simpler explanation is that the extraneous shit is just extraneous shit that Anno tossed in to troll the viewers, and that it's a completely unrelated story that simply happens to share some names, faces, and themes.
The simplest explanation is that you're desperate for a reason to argue on 4chan.

>>18196563
THIS! A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!

Not AdEva, but, in A D&D 4th Edition game, our Rogue killed our Dragonborn Paladin in his sleep because his goddess(The Raven Queen)/the DM told him too. Then we cut to a scene in the afterlife where Bahamut, who had been pretty much guiding our party for most of the campaign, said that the Paladin's soul had to be destroyed because of some deal made between the Gods and the fact that he had cheated death at least 5 times by now. Then, in the following session it was revealed that Bahamut had been a fake that had taken the real one's spot from him several thousand years ago, that he had imprisioned the Raven Queen, and that the rest of us had to die because we were no longer a use to him. We managed to kill off an avatar of him using Deck-of-Many-Things related shenanigans, but afterwards the REAL Bahamut was revealed to be trapped and driven insane inside of a little crystal dragon we had made a while ago, and, in is short moment of sanity, told us the fake's plan to block out the sun and that the we had to travel to some mythical city to stop him, which was a setup for his next campaign that I wasn't a part of.

>>18196300
Oh yay, it's one of those fools who thinks Occam's Razor is a rule, rather than a guideline, and that all theories must pass it to be true, all while trying to say his theory about some convoluted superultrasecretdoubleplusunpublicknowledge sequel holds up better than "Anno is a huge fucking geek who is referencing his earlier work to give fans cool shit to watch for".

>>18195726


HAHA! Most well played, sir. Clever commentary on some recently released spoilers.

>>18196605
>that entire post
What the fucking shit. I don't know if your campaign sounds awesome, or awful.
And I'm not sure if I want clarification.
Perhaps it's best to leave it as-is, waffling in this undifferentiated eigenstate where imagination can run free.

>>18196663
If it helps/hurts anything, I can also tell you that we had a Birdemic inspired dungeon, managed to get rich as fuck off of gems broken off of "gem-incrusted spikes" that we dropped a heavy as hell chest on top of in said dungeon, and had to fight the soul of our Warlord, whom had lost his soul due to the Deck-of-Many-Things and had take the form of a Blue Dragon on top of a mountain, and our Rouge tried to kill our Shardmind spellcaster both before and in the middle of the Blue Dragon battle, and succeeded, once again due to the Deck.

>>18196900
The delicate balance of horror and wonderment as of yet remains preserved. I shall endeavor to imagine both in equal measure.

>>18196563
> you're misusing Occam's Razor.

Lol. Occam says if you have two explanations that work, the simpler one is more likely to be correct.

If it was only one reference, your argument would work, because it could be just people reading patterns into noise. But instead it's a bunch of little things that, in totality, took some effort to slip in. The simpler explanation, then, is that that pile of things is intentional.

Also, unlike the stuff in the original that was throwing in religious words for the sake of it-sounds-cool, the stuff people are saying are sequel references aren't old religious phrasedropping.

>>18197073
No, they're old Eva fan visual shorthand dropping. Which is MORE effective at fucking with Eva fans. And again, your theory requires more shit to be true.

>>18197107
It still reduces to either "it's a sequel" or "Anno is intentionally trolling" (or best of all, both).

I am assuming he's just going to mindfuck all the unsuspecting new fans in the final movie just like in EoE, and never actually give enough info on the sequel clues. It's just the way he does things.

>>18197151
It's either a sequel AND Anno is trolling, or Anno is just trolling. No version of events does not involve Anno trolling.

>>18197073
>But instead it's a bunch of little things that, in totality, took some effort to slip in.
>effort
>implying recolouring a bunch of scenes from the series and blatantly reusing others requires "effort"
And yes, you are misusing it, since you're assuming that the explanation that introduces the extra load of bullshit necessary to make Rebuild a sequel to EoE is somehow magically less complicated than assuming that the two are unrelated, independent works.

Wow...I knew /tg/ argued hard, but when you start bringing in philosophical ideals and begin arguing about the fundamental meaning of said ideals? That's just...impressive.

And this thread was going so well, too.

I'm gonna be running a game of AdEva tomorrow (session #3), but I really can't think of anything beyond "second angel attacks, but while PC's are at school". Other GM's, how do you do it? How do you come up with stuff week after week? Every time I try to run something, it lasts maybe three or so sessions before crapping out. I'm talking any game in general here.

I once, as GM, screwed with my players a little bit

>exalted game
>players were cleaning up a section of Nexus to raise the real estate pricey so they could sell the area for a profit

This involved getting rid of three pirate operations docked at the place

They burnt the first ship down after killing the captain, while the crew was out on leave

The second ship was sunk via punching out holes in the bottom

the third ship had some weird magic residue... but was wrecked none the less.
>the the water elemental appeared

A female one

And it was angry! It had been the lover of the captain that the player's had killed on the first ship.

It demanded a new sea-fearing lover or it would tatle to the local court of water spirits - which would make it impossible for the players to safely travel in waterways for quite a while.

>cue water elemental dating game shenanigans.
>My players were quite surprised at this, but they had fun with the challenge

OP here.
Well; holy hell guys, I was expecting storytime, not a discussion of the finer points of Evangelion, but this is cool too.

>>18199351
I'll get my GM in thread; he can give some protips.

>>18199351
Hey, OP's GM here, I just sort of make it up as I go along.
Basically when you're planning an AdEva game, take every NPC, piece of background information and plot, then add a crazy twist; like those old 70's movies where it wasn't just robots, it was ZOMBIE ROBOTS! One that makes sense obviously, but a twist none the less, it could be something as small as their teacher being an ex-member of NERV or as big as their Commander being an angel hybrid and cause of the 2nd Impact, now turned to back up his adopted species against the angels, just keep throwing curve balls because the plot has got to last you a long time. Each twist has to be something that totally changes the Players views on things they've learned so far for better or worse.
Eventually the twists pile up and you end up with a convoluted snare of plots, double agendas, a massive web that the players are stuck at the middle of that started off neat any tidy until you sat down and dicked with it.
Then you let the players interact with it and if there's one thing players can do, its make things more complicated than they currently are, when they do stuff, grab it and Run with it; Anna was just meant to be a background NPC who was part of the team of the guy, just some random manufactured who was going to be in an Angel-jacked Eva as one of the Fights, she was only going to appear 3-4 times in relation to him and help the PCs once in the final fight with experimental unit 37 and was going to die in the Process, destroying their entire back up team, thus making the next fight more serious since there would be no fall back.
Instead Crowley started befriending her, so I filled her out between sessions into a real NPC and decided to draw her into the plot a bit more, then they fell in love and; well, here we are.
I didn't make up anything interesting, the players doing things did.

Eva only works originally because of character drama and character conflict. You can play a fun game without these being central, but it won't really be Eva-flavored.

Because yeah, the Angels were tough. And yeah, the sinister New World Order was undermining them. But what screws over the Eva pilots ultimately is that they have neuroses they can't cope with themselves and cannot turn to each other for help with because they're all dysfunctional.

Take the whole Asuka/Shinji thing for a prime example. Asuka's inability to communicate like a normal human being and Shinji's inability to pick up on cues leads down a long and messy road culminating with this.

>>18201563
Pretty much.
The dark irony of Evangelion is that the world must be protected by those least able to even protect themselves.
If Asuka had been a bit gentler or kinder, if Shinji had been a bit stronger, if Rei had been a bit more Social, or open; then they would have been happy.
But they also wouldn't have been able to pilot the EVA.
It's a work quite literally defended by the lost and the damned, by the Forsaken children.

>>18201613
I didn't get the impression that them being neurotic was necessary, just helpful for manipulating them. More important was the whole mother-in-the-Eva thing, it's what made it possible for people to interface to begin with (except Rei, who gets a pass because she's a vessel for Lilith's soul - but she still had issues with the lowest sync rate and plug rejection).

Even if the three *had* been mentally healthy, you've got three hormone-addled teenagers - two with romantic feelings of some description for one - who have to deal with lethal physics-violating space aliens. That's NOT a recipe for success.

I tend to think Shinji gets too much shit for being a pussy. The Ramiel battle's a good example. Guy gets literally BOILED in his plug within seconds of entering battle - to the point where he has to be rushed into emergency surgery - and still goes back out to fight the thing. That takes character.

>>18201656
Guy you're replying to here. Yeah, I'd never claim Shinji wasn't brave; in battle the guy was basically manly as; he kept going when 99% of the population would have walked out and left someone else to do it. Not for the right reasons, but he kept going, he held the line, he saved everyone he could and in the end broke down. Despite the fact he knew no one cared if he lived or died and they were just using him, he kept the Vigil, I respect him for that.

But outside of combat he undervalued himself in a way that was frustrating as fuck if he'd stood up a little more straight backed, or a little prouder of his achivements, and fought on a personal level, rather than just letting people use him as an emotional stress ball, he could have been so much more; saved so many more and been so much happier. And he deserved to be happy in a way.
I guess that's in theme, but its still something that always got under my skin about Eva and Shinji.

>have to survive death of world and agonizing deaths of everyone you ever cared about or who even had a glimmer of affection for you before you realize that you want to live and have a right to be happy.

Shit's a raw deal. He'll have plenty of time to contemplate that while sitting around with the only woman in the world with the nearest landmark being a gigantic rotting head.

>>18199351
I mostly run 3.5, so my advice may not help, but I try to hurt the players.

Let me rephrase. My players have characters with definite motivations and goals, often in conflict with one another. So, I like to add NPCs who play to one goal, but against another motivation, or vice versa. Additionally, I try to make combat encounters where I exploit something I see as a flaw in the characters, and then give them treasure or rewards that can help make up for that flaw.

The AdEva equivalent, as far as I can tell, would be to try to either make an angel attack worthy of revealing deeper meanings to the players, of introducing another player, or of exploiting an ability you found an angel could have to use against the players in an interesting and entertaining way.

Remember, though, that there is a huge amount of other forces interacting. Around the second angel, I'd either start introducing supporting characters, tie the PCs more strongly to the game world, or lay the framework for a kidnap attempt on their characters.

Also, if all else fails, come to /tg/ for ideas. It's better than nothing.

Best GMing ever, lets see if we can keep the thread up until Monday, OP might come back with the end of the tale after all.

>>18201445
what are the other players doing in all of this mess?

>>18203334
this beautiful amazing mess

>>18195142

>mfw correct screencapping technique

I was in an entire campaign of twist.

The story began during my funeral. I woke up in my casket, which was particularly strange considering the cause of death was a pretty clear-cut case of "stabbed in the chest 27 times." The gathering was suitably surprised, particularly my wife (who had killed me), and then the church burst into flames. I escaped with my two brothers and we got into a car that was driven by either Satan or his personal assistant, and went off a pier. My brothers and I came to on a lush island I remember from being dead previously.

TL;DR I died twice in the prologue.

The rest of the story didn't even all take place in the afterlife, we spent some time in a Fallout style future. It was my favorite RP to date, talented and imaginative DM who liked playing fast and loose.

>>18194070
"NTR"?

>>18203558
It's Japanese shortform for Netoware, which is cuckolding.

Basically, your attractive wife/girlfriend is fucked by ugly men with or without your knowledge.

(Japan apparently didn't have weird enough fetishes as is)

>>18203585
...Thanks. I guess.

._.

Waking up to a new day, finding old threads again, seeing same bad argument...
>>18197402

you're assuming that the explanation that introduces the extra load of bullshit necessary to make Rebuild a sequel to EoE is somehow magically less complicated than assuming that the two are unrelated, independent works.

No, you completely misunderstand me. (Which I don't mean to say as harshly as it may sound, since there were a bunch of different people arguing this before I ever joined in).

What I'm saying is that the extra bullshit *is already in* the movies, which makes handwaving it away a more complicated theory than saying it was intentionally put there for some purpose.

Secondary line of reasoning: the series is well known for being convoluted, to the point where the movies being convoluted is the baseline logical assumption. Especially when we're two movies into a run of four, and you'd expect at least some of the crazy crap that'll be happening in the last two is being foreshadowed in the first two.

>>implying recolouring a bunch of scenes from the series and blatantly reusing others requires "effort"
Actually redrawing them, but with differences consistent with how they changed in EoE, and then bothering to have some dialogue about it. I probably should have saved the big chart someone made after the second movie. It wasn't just the one or two frames from the chart in this thread. Part of the strength of the argument is it being "a bunch" of scenes plus dialogue, rather than just a little symbol in a background somewhere.

You are all wolves.

>>18203585

It doesn't mean ugly men screwing the girlfriend. It's just the girlfriend cheating on her boyfriend, who is often an upstanding person who cares a lot about her.

I hate/love it. Also, polite sage for off-topic, and this isn't exactly a good discussion for /tg/.

>>18204199


<< this one

>>18204309
It's a bit deeper than just cheating though, it starts off generally against the girlfriend's will (through blackmail, repeated rape, etc.) and over time and mind-breaking and the like she usually ends up leaving the boyfriend for her violator.
The trend IS to make the violator hideous and a terrible person and the boyfriend loving and clueless though.

and this

http://www.animevice.com/news/one-fans-opinion-is-the-rebuild-of-evangelion-really-a-remake/4524/

last one

I think it's quite interesting though that the series as we know it only really has its legendary status because Hideaki Anno went off his meds halfway through. It probably would've been just another predictable Super Robot show with a religious theme otherwise.

So the southermost reaches of our homebrew D&D 3.5E world (which are supposedly where elven and dwarven legends say humans came from millenia ago) are basically inaccessible due to massive planar instability causing random portals to open up everywhere, out of which unpleasant things such as demons generally pop to ruin the shit of anyone stupid enough to venture near.

Our party, being very high-level, will have none of this nonsense, destroy basically everything we come across and push through to find out what the source of the interplanar disturbance is. We start noticing that the portals come in waves, progressively getting wider and more stable and then suddenly collapsing.

"You perceive a vast structure, half-buried in the ground, pocked with tears and breaches in its metal skin."

It's a motherfucking colony ship. Humans arrived on this planet millenia ago from a fucking spacefaring colony ship from Earth, and its drive core is still trying to spin up, causing the dimensional fabric to tear.

And you know what the craziest thing is? As a plot twist, it totally worked.

>>18204609
So you're telling me that humans... were the aliens?

>>18204609
that's awesome

>>18204628
Not only that, my man. Humans are aliens WHO ACCIDENTALLY LEARNT TO REPLICATE MAGIC WITH TECHNOLOGY.

The stardrive on the colony ship basically works in PRECISELY the same way as an interplanar travel spell. It even accesses the goddamn Shadow Plane to exploit its weird distance-reduction property.

>>18204713
So we're like technomages. This sounds amazing.

>>18204713


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

>>18204764
Yeah, yeah, I know that, but the point is that Earth humans quite literally created magic technology - and they did it by accident.

The DM never did explain precisely how an almost totally Earthlike world with species close enough to humans to allow non-sterile children to be born happened, but given that post-Great Wyrm dragons seemed to be able to exhibit the same planet-hopping powers, my suspicions lie with them.

>>18193796
>another Research compound which is directly built into the Diaric Sea.

How the fuck did you DM explain that? The concept is hurting my brain.

Have a game relatively freshly started with the new Borderline rules, and things are already getting very, very odd. The OD is gleefully ordering the Black Ops to commit war crimes, and apparently has a similar track record during SI, but has managed to keep it under wraps so far, partly due to him being a pretty chill bro to the pilots. The manu is quite possibly the one foretold to usher forth the end of the world, and seems to find it a novel idea, which does not bode well. The Head of Science has a lesbian stalker crush on the NS, who is a pretty classy and rad lady, but neither know yet that the prodigy berserker also has a psycho lesbian crush on the NS and is already plotting how to get the HoS out of the picture, most likely violently. This part has been played rather well so far, and it didn't give anyone the feeling that someone is furiously jerking off to it, at least not yet, so it's okay. Also, the prodigy ATT has been assaulted by the fourth angel, looking like a massive, fairly alien looking but hot woman, who pretty much curbstomped the pilots, in what could be described best as having forced intercourse with his mind. Then, it teleported away. The ATT is convinced for some reason that it got pregnant from this, despite it being a fairly bonkers idea.

Fun for the whole family.

>>18204885
I really should learn to split my posts into paragraphs.

>>18204885
i'm more and more convinced that Eva games have the best character-plots

>>18204940
Oh, it's mad fun, emphasis on mad. Mind, you really, really, DESPERATELY need a good group for it. The amount of RP and general weirdness requires that everyone be on the same page, play well and appropriately, and not step on anyone else's toes, and accept if their toes have been stepped on for character purposes. A flair for the dramatic also helps a ton.

This is, of course, all based on my personal experience.

Bump for more stories.

No more mindfuck, /tg/? I'm sad now.

>>18195950
>And then OP murdered himself ten times over for someone who was disgusted and horrified with what he did.

Good thing he has hundreds of clones of himself

>>18205466

last campaign I ran was standard fantasy, except they "lost" against the BBEG in the end due so in-character plot... and triggered the "second Impact"


Next tuesday begins the "Evangelion" game

>>18205838
didn't mean to namefag, sorry guys

>>18193676
OP, I wish I had your GM. That is all