rolled 34 = 34

PREPARED FOR BATTLE!

>>18167062
We did get one growergator last time OP. It cost us 3 men remember.

>>18167123
I'm actually wondering what are it's stats since it's not on the unit image. Also how do sound attack work?

>>18167123

(It didn't turn yet)

>>18167062

Smythe is flipping the fuck out when you finally make it to the war room. You ask him what's wrong. He tells you the following:

-Doomenor formed an alliance with someone that put their turn before the Khan's.
-Doomenor bum rushed the Khan's northern forces with a force of a few thousand men and elves.
-Doomenor's mysterious backer may have units nearby, but he can't get a good look at them.
-The Hobs have moved to consolidate, restack, and reconsider their offensive.

Halston Flowers believes that at some point negotiations between the two were initially going well, but that the Hobgobwins screwed up and drew retaliation somehow. He says it is likely that this was entirely unexpected, and should buy a few turns. He says that Doomenor and the Khanate have very "bad mojo".

>>18167197

Lower than the Growligator's. It works like any breath weapon really.

>>18167289

Sorry, that should be "lower than the Cwoc's".

rolled 85 = 85

>>18167235
A few more turns?

Trapping the swamp, and enticing the bastards towards us, or finding a way to sneak attack them would be best.

>>18167235
okay so that gives us more time to earn money to be able to fight their air force.

OP ask Smythe if the stack is still heading towards the swamp when it's their turn. We need to know if they turned around or not. It could give us an oppertunity to not fight them yet, but still upgrade our units and cities.

rolled 79 = 79

>>18167235
We need to contact Doomenor inmediately. Have the lookamancer tell us where the nearest city of doomenor is, and how many turns would it take us to get the by megalogwiff. Use flowers to tell us how likely is that they join with us to attack the khan.
Then send Flowers to the Magic Kingdom, our position is already know by charlie so that info surely is for sale, no point in tryig to keep it secret, tell flowers to look for a thinkamancer, the one that most likely would join us.

>>18167342

They're floating in about the same position.

>>18167308
let's not lure them, they may kill us completely if we arent lucky. We want battles we already know the outcome of.

>>18167235
Ok this will be good if either side succeeds a power vacuum will be created so we need to build forces and prepare since a huge reduction in khan forces means he will be spread too thin and if the Khan falls then there's a large number of now barbarian cities we should take advantage of this and if the air forces are separate from the khans main then if they go barbarian we may be able to hire them and cover the costs by expanding our mountain city mining operation.

>>18167360
We shouldn't contact DOOMenor. They're bad news even if the enemy of my enemy is supposedly my friend. In Erfworld, the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy.

So, you are looking into contacting Doomenor?

>>18167527
nope. but we would like to know what they have.

>>18167556

In general:

-Stacks of Woodsy Elves in the woods
-Well-Armored units of men
-Stacks of Altruist Elves backing any large group of stacks
-Small cavalry stacks here and there
-A lot of warlords
-A few bug stacks of heavies

>>18167597
bug stacks. I don't like the sound of that. Doomenor isn't a member of the southern coalition.

What do the khan's cities have? Unitwise?

>>18167630

Typo, that was supposed to be big stacks.

The Khan's cities have some leftover infantry and heavies. They can pop more any time.

>>18167657
Well what's oour money situation? Did we get Quoth's mine up and running?

>>18167738

Quoth's mine is producing something like 1500 Schmucker's a turn on top of the city's natural income.

>>18167783
Can we get that producing more with more Snubs?

>>18167800

Maybe.

Any progress on releasing that ruleset yet?

What kind of casters does the Khan have?

>>18167852
let's do that. Meanwhile go cwoc hunting and let ask Flowers more about Doomenor.

We need info on this battle do we have any bwisps within move of the location so we can at least see the aftermath?

>>18167929
we have a lookamancer.

>>18167906

Then you will queue up more Snubs?

>>18167903

Eight casters in this particular area. I mentioned a breakdown last thread in the conversation with charlie here http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/18155068/#18156636

>>18167891

Balancing races and deciding on natural ally rules.

>>18167953
yeah another 5.

>>18167976

You queue up five then.

>>18167906

1d100 for scrying into the inner workings of Doomenor. Magic is tricky, only the first result counts.

rolled 23 = 23

>>18168026

>>18168038

Flowers is unable to make sense of the complexities relations between men and elves, as he is distracted by how swanky they are on the whole.

>>18168057
damn swanky elves. I don't like them I tells ya. We don't know of any dwarfs do we?

>>18168089

What's a Dwarf? What a strange word. Unrelatedly tou know of no Dwarfys in the region.

>>18168117
hmm... I wonder where everybodies at? I guess we should get ready for air attack.

We are making enough to get new level for the city pretty soon, right?

>>18168242

In a few turns.

>>18168159

Your plans and course of action?

>>18168273
Withdraw all units to the protection of the city except for 4 cwoc hunting parties lead by Frank and our 3 othher warlords. Kill with extreme prejudice. Then meet back in Rodrom. The Queen has left no? We'll pop archers and a few more demon knights next turn depending on the khan's movement. We will defend here in the city where we have our towers to help protect us.

>>18168339

You will attempt to capture Cwocs then? You cannot with Whisper, Alice, or Abigail this turn as they are arriving back having expended all of their move this turn, but you can with Frank and Joshua.

>>18168400
no. kill. Well, kill if it's a growlergator. Capture otherwise.

>>18168439

This is agreed then?

>>18168493
I don't know how many people are here man. Today seems slow.

>>18168439
This but for this turn frank only and joshua focuses on dance fighting.

>>18168552
>>18168507

2d20, first results.

go ahead man. I did earlier and got low.

rolled 10, 9 = 19

>>18168595
Daddy needs some gator skin boots

>>18168637

1d100

>>18168666
>666

rolled 29 = 29

>>18168666
maybe this time wont be so average

>>18168708

Ffffffff-

>>18168723

They barely got any toe tapping done. You got them both though.

rolled 89 = 89

>>18168666

Looks like we are almost ready for a turn end.

>>18167081
Need the list of units the other town can make

>>18168865

If you have nothing else to do, although...

As the victorious troops return to much cheering and celebration, Abigail pulls you aside. She suggests throwing a full on feast tonight in order to boost everyone's morale and take the edge off your losses.

>>18168886
How is the brewery going?

Do we have enough stockpiled to go around?

>>18168915

It goes. You can pop anything you don't have on hand already though.

rolled 8 = 8

>>18168886
Then let us do so.
And make big speech about them being the big damn heroes.

Do we have enough Schmuckers to increase Rodrom to Level 3? It seems a solid investment- we need both additional income and the additional units and defenses that may become available.

If we can't afford that, increase Quoth to level 2. That should raise morale there as well as the expected incomes and new unit types.

>>18168968

You're short of the Schmuckers for either.

>>18168968
Quoth should have priority since advanced mining units might become available or at least some that can make tunnels (we need a path for reinforcements without swamp capable)

>>18168968
>>18168997

Wait, I misspoke: you're past 10,000 Schmuckers (gotta subtract total upkeep though). However upgrading Quoth will leave you with very little in reserve, and likely unable to pay Charlie.

>>18168929

Then you will feast tonight?

>>18168997
What, really? I'd have sworn that it only took us 5,000 Schmuckers to bring Rodrom from 1->2. What are upgrade prices?

>>18169020

Actually it was 10,000.

>>18169020
It was 10k.

>>18169011
I don't think we should upgrade Quoth before upgrading Rodrom again. Rodrom is home base, it's rather weak right now too. If we are counting on it being a shelter amongst the storm, it needs higher walls.

>>18169015
And we need that money for archers next turn perhaps too.

>>18168884
Fine, made the list myself.

Someone should really go in and edit these pictures to separate what is stationed/garrisoned at each holding, and what is producible there.

>>18169188
And I forgot my picture.

So yes to the feast?

Queue up more Snubs?

Hold off on upgrades?

Also, you sight the Archons in the distance. How will you proceed?

>>18169324
So yes to the feast?
Yes

Queue up more Snubs?
Yes

Hold off on upgrades?
Yes

>>18169324
Pop enough snubs to man the mine.

Or snub the mine, however that works.

Hold off on upgrades.

get ready to meet and greet the archons, we should have the deamons somewhere else when they arrive.

>>18169404
>>18169385

You queue up another stack of Snubs and give orders to prepare the feast.

The Archons are coming in fast.

>>18169441
we do have suitable gems right?

>>18169462

You do.

>>18169470

Do we have suitable poses? Frank is like, muscles on top of muscles on a layer of meat.

>>18169516

Frank is a small mountain, yes.

>>18169516
poses? what are you talking about?

Tell the daemons to hide for a bit.

I don't think bill should disguise them.

Once we get past the first impressions stage we can annouce that the archons will be fighting with them.

Hopefuly that won't blow up in our face.

>>18169404
>>18169645

The Daemons busy themselves in the dance hall, but only time will tell if it is effective.

The Archons glide down into your airspace, and for the first time you realize what's funny about the situation: they are moving on your turn. What the boop? You don't recall allying with Charlescomm.

Upon realizing this strange fact, you aren't certain of how to proceed. Nonetheless, you move to greet the Archons as they come down into your keep. They number twenty in all, and wait for you to make the first move.

>>18169697
Hello, we don't get near as nice of ladies to these parts often enough. Please come in, enjoy some hooch, take a dance. I'll have the necessary payment shortly.

rolled 71 = 71

>>18169697
"Hey sweethearts! Mind joining our feast? We'll have the payment ready any minute soon."
Send Whisper or any other warlord near for the gems.

(Be right back, gotta walk up a hill right quick.)

rolled 35 = 35

>>18169796
Strategy time!!

I say we invite the archons to join the feast, maybe that way we will get them to put a bit more effort into our cause. After that ask them about them moving in our turn, that does seem a bit weird.

We'll also hire 5 of them for about 5 turns, and ask to see if we can pay now and receive the services later like when the khan forces arrive or we decide to attack them when they're fighting Doomenor forces.
Ask Charlie about a kind of insurance, we pay a bit more for the archons says 50 shmuckers per archon, that way if we need the archons they come and fight, but if we don't need them then we get our money back except that little extra that charlie can keep. I mean, it's a great deal for him right, he could make money from nothing.

>>18169896
think of how many archers that could buy man!

Or Demons! They are a comparable unit and we get to keep them beyond 5 turns for cheaper!

>>18169579

Body builders practice their poses, so they look totally sweet when they're all oiled up and ready for the big competition.

rolled 82 = 82

>>18169952
2750 shmuckers for 5 girls that will give a mad boost to our units, they have leadership, shockamancy, can provide air support and dance fighting improvements.
Yeah we could get a bunch of archers, but will they live if they go without leadership? I think not, in my opinion the Archons are our best bet.

>>18170090
demons man. 2750 gives us 27 demons. Which, 27>5. We get to keep them as long as they last, and they can dance fight as well.

Back.

rolled 13 = 13

>>18170055
But their muscles serve them no other purpose than to look big.
I was thinking about Frank to look more like pic related.

>>18170090
183 archers is better than 5 archons. There is no way that the leadership bonus is better than Frank and our own warlords that 183 units can't beat 5 of them. Charlie's prices are crazy expensive.

>>18170117
With only natural turnamancy while the archons provide multiple uses in spellcraft and provide bonuses to stacks.

>>18170117
in this case we should just go with charlescomm, as them bonuses are great. we can buy demons later, as we get the ability to. Its the short-term we need for now, though the capture of the city for long-term greatness was necessary for shortterm as well.

>>18170145
they provide bonuses to stacks without warlords. 27 demons can kill more than 5 archons. Even the archers would kill more and take more hits.

rolled 33 = 33

>>18170117
Hmmm yeah that looks really good.

Still have the girls join our feast even if to be only eye candy for our troops, maybe we could squeeze some info out of them later.

>>18170055
Why would we pose?

But more importantly, we are redneck with pounds over pounds of muscle-fat.

>>18170117
Remember it's not about how many units you can send into a grinder, it's about the number of bonuses you can pile on.

Also, staying alive. That's important. Spend now to live another day and whatnot.

>>18170154
5 fucking demon comparable units aren't going to win us anything. 183 archers or 27 demon legates or 34 hellfire demons might.

>>18170131
We need to ask Smythe what the hell is up with the archons moving on the same turn as us.

That's nuts, are they actually archons? Which side are they really on?

the bonuses don't matter if they can't take the hits. 5 units worth of hits don't mean anything when we can roll bad and lose them instantly. With more units, we can survive a few bad rolls, and have more rolls, more chances to do well.

rolled 87 = 87

>>18170154
>>18170145
Yeah, they're pretty versatile. That's what we're talking about.
>>18170144
I don't think so, remember what this game is about? Stacking bonuses, warlord in the same hex + chief warlord in the same hex + archon in the stack = rapetastic units!

>>18170213
Bonuses provide mitigation against hits by making them harder to best in combat. Do more damage, be harder to hit, all that kind of stuff boosts your survivability substantially.

Bonuses let you do everything, only better. That's what they do.

>>18170228
okay TM help settle a dispute.

What are the archons bonuses and how would they work in accordance to the bonuses our own warlords give our troops?

rolled 20 = 20

>>18170138
forgot pic

I'm really not interested in giving money to Charlie here. Pay what we agreed to pay and get the Archons to shove off. It was dumb to even pay for the intel we did- we have a Lookamancer who provides us with lots of intelligence already, for free! And we need units that are actually ours, not overpriced mercenaries who will go away after a few turns even if they don't die.

Though if we can figure out how they're moving on our turn, that would be nice to know. 's messed up.

>>18170323
agreed.

>>18170256

Your units get a bonus for the Warlord in the stack, a bonus from their Chief Warlord, in the Hex or the Battlespace normally, in addition to Artifact, equipment, and Dance bonuses.

The Archons can enable your troops to engage in dance fighting, and I'm interpreting their abilities to mean that they give a boost to a Warlord's leadership stat.

>>18170341
how much of one.

also, earlier you said some of our units could already dance fight.

>>18170365

You'll have to ask how large the bonus is, although it varies based on the Archon.

Joshua can lead them in Dance Fighting (it requires a Dance-capable Commander). The Slashers and Wight Foots haven't had much to do except dance, nor have many of your Daemons, though they're naturally good at Dance Fighting.

>>18170428
see! Demons are naturally good at dance fighting. We're still going to need to know what that bonus is. Ask one of the archons. Also, go ahead and ask why they're moving on our turn. And pay them.

rolled 68 = 68

>>18170323
>>18170340
Have you seen how often Argent Smythe has blown himself up recently? I mean, he is a good resource, but he's not a completely reliable source of info, not for now, we need to level him up, the price was good, Amythe hadn't even noticed those units, and that info gave us chance to prepare for the attack.

>>18170341
Take a raincheck on hiring Archons for now. They'd be great for a one turn punch, but we need to build up our regular forces first.

I would suggest upgrading our other city next turn. It'll be pricy, sure, but we'll get more schmuckers per turn, and maybe get some better units from it.
And if worse comes to worst, we'll have another Level 2 city to fall back to, instead of a measly Level 1.

>>18170487
but he did notice the stack that's why we asked charlie for info on them.

>>18170500
No way. I refuse this. that's our entire treasury in the middle of war. We get a few hundred more a turn and we need that money for troops.

rolled 47 = 47

>>18170456
They are good at dancefighting not at giving other units the chance to dance fight, which the archons can do, and that new guy whatshisname? Joshua?

Hey TM what do you say about that last idea? >>18169896

rolled 96 = 96

>>18170505
No he didn't, were you even here yesterday? It was Charlie contacting us in the first place! That's how we got to know about it!

rolled 76 = 76

>>18170526
It's only 1/4 of our treasury, and the most reliable bet we have. Archons are high level units, they're Knights, they provide leadership, they provide shockamancy and on top of that they provide dance fighting! Are you blind people? Yeah, it's only for 5 turns, but we will kick the khan's ass in those 5 turns!

So I take it you are:

-Inviting the Archons to stay for the feast
-Paying them for the info
-Ask directly about how they're moving on your Turn
>>18170559

I like to stay out of your strategizing except in specific circumstances.

>>18170630
yeah let's do that for now.

rolled 2 = 2

>>18170630
Yeah, I approve.

Incidently, what is the next closest city/cities to us, and how many turns would it take to reach them. If there are some that are lightly defended, now would be the time to take them. Even if we would have to withdraw a few turns later, thats that many more Schmuckers we'd be getting, and our adversaries not.

>>18170719
taking them would only cost us men that can't get back in time even if they don't die.

>>18170662
>>18170639

You greet the Archons with a friendly wave and make your way over as Whisper goes to get the gems for the deal.

"Good afternoon ladies, I take it that the flight in was a smooth one?"

"Not really, we got shot at a few times."

"Oh? By who?"

"Doomenorians mostly."

"Well I'm sorry to hear that. Ah, here is my Chief Warlord with your gems now."

Whisper arrives with the five hundred Schmuckers and the Archon takes it with a smile.

"Well, thank you very much. Now then, I'm Ashley, and it seems we are now under contract."

"Do what now?"

"Someone already pre-paid for our services for five turns. Oh, wait, you seem to be under a compulsion, good thing we've already been payed for spell security."

She snaps her fingers, and the world seems clearer. You suddenly recall a strange encounter with a Caster in the swamps while on a Cwoc hunt. What is this now?

>>18170821
um... Try remembering I guess?

>>18170736
that depends on the circumstances. If we hit something lightly defended hard, we might could take it without too many losses. Maybe a suprise attack by tunneling under the walls. And as for backing in time, that depends on where the enemy is. It's doable if we make use of mounts and cover.

Hell, we could dig some tunnels just a little ways from the city that our guys could fall back to. They could collapse the entrance and come up safe in Quoth, or our swamp territory.

>>18170821

rolled 68 = 68

>>18170821
Fuuuuuuuuuuuu, when did that happen?
Who paid for your services?Why are the doomenorians attacking you?

>>18170821
DAMN SWAMP WIZARDS!

we must capture this interloper! We don't have time for mind-tricks while we are in a battle for our lives!

Smythe, locate the source of this tom-foolery at once!
Joshua, Prepare the Wight-foots! We will have a target for you shortly!

>>18170847

Oh, you remember. You were told only that reinforcements were being provided for you, but that your backer would want something from you later down the road. When you went to ask, you were enspelled, and sent wandering back to your capital. Strange...

>>18170886
I don't remember that at all...

>>18170891

(When I have you roll for things before I post results, it's often due to stuff like this going on.)

rolled 38 = 38

>>18170891
We would have metagamed most likely.

>>18170910
wtf! HOW many times has this happened? Do others remember this shit happening? No more mind magic and FUCK Rigger!

rolled 63 = 63

>>18170924
That doesn't matter for now. Let's look at what we have at hand, now we can get the archons and some more units to raise our numbers.

>>18170952

If you're flipping about this, well...

[Spoilers] That's not even the most fucked up backroom thing that's happened behind the scenes so far mwahahahahaha [Spoilers]

>>18170971

What? Naaaaahhh.

mannnnn I hate memory tricks.

>>18170987
okay so was it that weird predictomancer from the first thread?

>>18171029

He looked... like Snidely Whiplash. A lot like Snidely Whiplash.

>>18171029
>>18171082

(That's a no, probably not.)

>>18171082
oh fuck.

I really hate Rigger you know? I have no regrets on raiding their wagons.

>implying this wasn't planned and timed to piss us off

Damn you plot development!

from now on. We never leave by ourselves. Also, have archons check on all our warlords and casters. Shouldn't shan-low have seen us under a compulsion?

>>18171155
Bill is a foolamancer.

We would need a thinkamancer or perhaps Smythe to figure out such a thing.

>>18171155

No others seem to be under similar spells as far as you can tell.

>>18171275
can the archons tell us what the compulsion was? what we were being compulsive about?


>ooc should we tell the archons about Rigger? Charlie and Rigger are big enemies. The fact we know about them would be huge news to Charlie.

>>18171275
"similar spells?"

How about different spells? I know our casters splurge quite often, something could have slipped in through that chaos.

>>18171316

(It seems likely Charlie would pay for info on Rigger. It also seems likely he would resent being hired by them to support you.)

>>18171316
When did we learn about Rigger?

>>18171353
Liam. first thread. Rolled a 98.

rolled 2 = 2

>>18171275
Not us, make the Archons check. Then let the feast begin!!

>>18171352
Ask the archons who paid for us.

>it could have been Rigger acting through a third party

>>18171384

You are told that a barbarian warlord payed up.

>>18171399
and they didn't find it funny a barbarian could afford this or would do so to help a different side? What kind of business is Charlie running here?

>>18171432

Charlie likes money.

>>18171371

End turn and feast?

>>18171450
I want to talk to Charlie.

>>18171456

You will speak to Charlie then?

>>18171475
yes. I'd like to know more about the payer and perhaps mention Rigger casually and see if it gets a response. Maybe have Liam tell him what he knows.

>>18171475
I'd rather not.

We shouldn't tell him about Rigger until we need a trump card against Charlie, (which is not right now)

Our questions about the barbarian would seem foolish and most likely be unfruitful.

About the only thing we could ask him for is more recon, but we have the archons to do stuff like that for us now.

>>18171558

You extend the invitation to them to remain for the feast, then begin to focus on contacting Charlie. 1d100

End turn?

>>18171580
I think it would seem foolish businesswise if we didn't ask questions.

rolled 100 = 100

>>18171593
sure. did we go cwoc hunting earlier?

>>18171607
fuck yes!

>>18171607

(Oh my.)

You contact Charlie, and it just so happens that he is free.

"Yes, can I help you Frank?"

>>18171594
Why would we ask the wrong person the wrong questions?

Our target is this Snidely Whiplash guy.

We ask out casters to find out who the fuck this guy is while on their next trip to the magic kingdom, and then we have our payers.

The barbarian is obviously a decoy. Asking Charlie about him or her is a waste of money. Because you know he will charge for info, that's his job.

>>18171640
Yes. I had a few questions about the recent good fortune I've seemed to receive.

>we'll mention reading a book on history and Rigger was in it.

>>18171654
none off our casters have ever been in the magic kingdom. None of them know anything we don't. We just rolled a 100 out of 100. We can get lucky and might get him curious too.

>>18171676
"Do you happen to know who payed for such lovely ladies and how they managed to afford it? It seems odd to us, we had now prior knowledge we were going to be entertaining. Seems like it could shift the tide of the next battle, RIG the sides to say....

>>18171676

"I'm curious: would you mind telling me a bit more about who fronted my bill?"

"Actually I was going to ask you the same question sometime down the road. I assume you had him croaked?"

>>18171720
Why are we flirting with the Archons?
I thought we wanted the barbarian Queen?

>>18171722
say this >>18171720
then ask why he assumes we croaked him? It was a him, no? Not the queen?

>>18171744
cause they're hot and Frank isn't going to be tied down. He's got plenty of love to go around, not to mention, she isn't here at the moment.

>>18171722
"That's the thing, I didn't get to croak him. It would be most helpful to find out who did."

>>18171767

"Why do you assume we croaked him?"

"Well he is quite dead, and has been since just after making the drop. Or did you even know who was making the payment? The plot thickens it seems, you had no idea someone was making the hire on your behalf, did you?"

rolled 14 = 14

>>18171915
"We might have, maybe we didn't, it's a matter of perspective."

"Now, let's talk about the businesss you did with him. How much did he pay you? What package did he choose? Full, basic, how many turns?"

>>18171974
we already know that stuff.

>>18171915
Hmm.. I'm reminded of a tale from a history book I read one turn not too long ago. It was about a side that turned tables on wars, provided units and such, not too different from yourself. What was its name... Ripper? Righter? Ridger...

>>18172013
Don't say anything about rigger, it will only piss charlie off and give away our ace too early to be of any use to us.

>>18172013

"Ah, you mean Rigger. Ancient history at this point, though I see you do read."

>>18172086
Really? You don't think somebody is trying to replace them do you? In any case it does seem odd that some one would be so generous in such a world as ours.

>>18172086
"Well history is history then. Lets get back to important things, like who croaked this barbarian, you wouldn't happen to have seen who did it, would you?"

Ug, we should have never talked to charlie in the first place, it was a horrible idea.

>>18172086
"You seem to know more than myself about it. Did you have any first-hand knowledge? What ended up croaking them all anyway?"

>>18172127
>>18172106

1d100 roll off.

>>18172127
this was a great idea and will pay out big

rolled 79 = 79

>>18172147
Um for the barbarian info I guess.

>>18172176
why can't we do both? get info on the barbarian and see how Charlie feels about Rigger?

>>18172185

(One of you doesn't want to mention Rigger any more, one wants to tip Charlie off.)

>>18172185
Because we know how he feels about rigger.

Talking to him about rigger is just stirring shit up pointlessly.

>>18172195
I don't know if I want to tip Charlie off. What I want, is to find out if we SHOULD tip Charlie off. That's what I'm trying to figure out based on the talk with Charlie.

>>18172221
It might be that Rigger is totally evil and using us and we should tell Charlie and get help and Rigger off our back. It might be the other way around. Finding out doesn't hurt us.

>>18172221

(Charlie is not stupid. If you forcefully bring the issue to Rigger repeatedly and start making those sorts of implications, he can put two and two together, though he won't know exactly what you know or suspect.)

>>18172241
Can our original 100 roll count for that? Can we be clever with words to keep him from guessing anything? I'd like money for Liam's findings if that doesnt' hurt us and I really don't like being mind drugged.

>>18172255

Your roll was for something else.

Misleading Charlie when in Thinkamantic contact with him would be... difficult. You can make the implication, tell him you know something, and demand payment for the info. That Charlie would understand and respect.

rolled 54 = 54

>>18172267
alright, fine. There's got to be some risks, eh? Maybe telling Charlie is a bad idea, but let's do it. I want some good money.

>>18172283

"Ancient history? Maybe... but probably not."

"What do you mean?"

"That kind of info might just cost you something."

"Oh? Name your price. I certainly hope your information is worth my time."

>>18172297
>what should we ask for? Soldiers? 20000? 100000?

>>18172308
I think if we play our cards right, tell him we have proof and get Liam in here, we should get 20000 easy. Charlie's rich, and would pay dearly for info on a hated foe like Rigger.

>>18172308
anybody have any other thoughts?

>>18172308
archons don't work well with deamons in the long run.

asking for troops is bad.

You can ask for money but the first rule is "The first price is always too high, the second is always too low."

>>18172366
Does he have any cool magic items he is willing to part with?

Money is probably more useful in the short run, like for fighting off this bloodthirsty horde, but who can say no to loot?

>>18172297
if no one else disagrees,

"We do have some information you'd like Charlie. We could use about 40,000 for a upgrade to the old homestead. Or perhaps some magic items, if you know any useful ones."

>>18172426
Of course he knows a useful one, he has the arkendish. You have to ask for anything other than that one.

20,000 and a magic item!

>>18172426
>guys what if we now end up talking to Rigger and agree to hide them from Charlie for money?! We could play both sides! We let them know Charlie is looking for them and let them set up shop in the swamp. MONEY MONEY MONEY!

In all likelyhood, we tell nobody about telling Charlie about Rigger. Most warlords and casters probably know about Rigger from Liam, but nobody except for Frank should know we sold information about them. The why's on this is that Rigger is currently brain washing people of our side. A warlord goes into the swamp and bam, Rigger knows we sold them out. Nobody knows but Frank and Charlie. And Frank is watch his back from now on.

>>18172426
I did say 40,000 so the starting price is high, so we can hopefully get at least 20,000 out of it. That gets Rodrom to level 3 which lets us pop cwoc and gators and better defenses.

>>18172464
>>18172426

"Forty-thousand Schmuckers, or perhaps twenty-thousand in exchange for some item of power."

"I'm sorry, what now? Forty-thousand Schmuckers is quite the expense, I really doubt information on a croaked side could be anywhere near that valuable."

rolled 86 = 86

That is for you to decide

>>18172507
"Ah, but you don't know whether or not this information is on a croaked side", wink wink nudge nudge.

>>18172533
okay I don't think we want to wink or nudge anybody. It might be too informative itself.

>>18172507
I think a smile works better than words at this point.

>>18172507
>>18172553

You simply smile in response.

"Your purse is your own."

Charlie thinks for a moment.

"If it's something really good, I might offer 10,000 Schmuckers, though if I'm disappointed I won't be amused."

>>18172564
Hmm... OP ask if he has any nice magic items to trade. NOT the arkendish of course. He wouldn't trade that.

>>18172595

You make the inquiry.

"I have none commissioned at the moment that I would part with."

>>18172564
Hmm... what about 10,000 up front and 30,000 after we tell you. psst. It's REALLY good info man, I'd take it.

>>18172625

"What about 10,000 up front for the conclusion and 30,000 for the explanation?"

"How about the 5,000 upfront and 10,000 for the explanation, if I decide to pay it."

>>18172644
how about 7500 upfront and 12500 afterwards, WITH the option of paying more if you like the information just that much!

>>18172669

"How about 7500 upfront and 12500 afterwards, you can tip me if you like as well."

"Fine, I hope this is good information though."

"Rigger exists. It's Warlords and Ruler are alive and active. It isn't dead or gone."

Roll 1d100

rolled 65 = 65

>>18172691
Oh man.

Dice

Are we going to tell him where they are at too?

rolled 83 = 83

>>18172691
ah shit. I wish we could use the last one.

>>18172703
Yeah. Even tell him we stole from their caravan and that they put a brain wash on us.

rolled 14 = 14

>>18172724
Ok, we should skip the brainwashing part.

That might strain relations.

>>18172703
We should try to get in contact with them to try to play both sides too.

After telling Charlie everything we need to figure out the croaked warlord too. We think it was Rigger acting through a third party but we don't know.

>>18172707
>>18172703

"Oh. That would be news. Do you have proof?"

"Firstly, historical records dug up by a caster of mine indicating the influence of that side in the region, and the reappearance of it's warlords and forces after several supposed exterminations by other sides. When I put that hypothesis to the test, I intercepted a cache of weapons and gems from Rigger to the Western Coalition fronted through a nearby port. Furthermore I have sighted casters that seem to be hired by or loyal to Rigger in the immediate area. Now, about that 17,500..."

"Of course. This bears thinking on. If you can gather other information I may contact you with an interest in purchasing it soon. Until then enjoy your Schmuckers."

The connection breaks, and it is still your turn."

>>18172790
WOO! UPGRADE RODROM! I HAVE NO REGRETS EXCEPT FOR SOME! I REALLY HOPE THIS DOESN'T COME BACK TO BITE US IN THE ASS!

>>18172825

You will upgrade then?

>>18172790
wow he really hates those guys, or at least takes this very seriously. I hope they don't find out about this. They being Rigger. Wasn't it 20,000 TM? 7500 plus 12500. Make sure to tell NOBODY about talking with charlie. Let's just say we got some more money from the kind people who bought the Archons. And GO PARTY! Marde Grais style!

>>18172828
How much does that cost?

And can we get a guesstimate of how much of a bonus that will be?

Is there any way to hire a freelance caster? Like a moneymancer? I get the feeling we could benefit greatly from having one of those around.

>>18172844

(Yes. After a few minutes an Archon brings over some gems. You don't know where she got them.)

>>18172845

It costs 20,000.

Bonuses come in the form of faster popping Warlords, better defenses, and more advanced units, better income, and more buildings.

You can send out word in the Magic Kingdom.

>>18172853
That's cool. Yeah, I think Rodrom could use some new towers and a bigger bar. Thicker walls. Nicer training grounds and bigger farms. Do it. It's just one turn again right?

I want a giant party tonight. We've got women, liquor, new diggs coming, and tomorrow (or soon) we might go to war. This should blow the pants off everybody. Flowers kicking it like it's the 60's and Josh dancing like they'll be no tomorrow.

OP Let's ask Liam if he's found anything new about Rigger out. And to continue to find new things out about them.

>>18172865
How much would it set us back to hire a moneymancer?

>>18172869

It happens now!

The walls grow larger and thicker, and watch towers flower from the stone. Your keep becomes larger, and your gates thicker and heavier. You can't see it from the inside, but a shallow moat has sprung up around your city. Your barracks grow to a respectable size, and your dance hall expands while your grounds swell.

Your income from the city jumps to 1000 Schmuckers a turn, your farms in Rodrom now produce 100 Schmuckers each, and you have access to more advanced units! Warlords will be completed in 4 turns instead of five now, that time being halved if you pop only a Warlord.

For now, end turn and party?

>>18172935

Liam has been busy on other projects. Namely, he's had a Cwoc riding a Cwoc riding a Hobgobwin riding a Wight Foot that can fly.

>>18172937

It has to be negotiated.

>>18172939
PARTY HARD!

>>18172955
holy crap that's awesome! DId the mount bonuses stack?

>>18172955
Well, next turn have Liam get to work on Rigger again.

>>18172976

After a few trials, yes.

>>18172984
MY GOD! If we rode that we'd be unstoppable! It be an unbeatable unit! We could take on the whole Khan's army with just that unit!

>>18172939
We should get Smythe, or any of the casters with time on their hands, to look into the going price of a low-level moneymancer.

Have liam share his experiments with us, we need to see if we can make this mountception work with a megalowgwiff.

Also, get that warlord popping. Do we know what units we can make?

>>18172984
that's 12+12+x for the gobwin+3 for the wight. Replace the wight with Frank Marion's crazy high attack score and we'd really be unbeatable!

>>18173021

I'm writing you a list.

>>18173021
Have Shang do it along with trying to level up some. But wait until after the fight with the Khan's air force. We'll need him to hide wounded soldiers and screw with the enemy. Liam takes away flying. And Flowers helps in the war room making nice matchups so we win and have forces where they're best. Smythe of course, watches stuff.

Actually, I gotta run for tonight. Next thread is Saturday at the usual time. It will begin with a list of new units, current assets, and various other things.

Then the feast happens and plot descends like an angry harpy.

>>18173127
sweet. Looking forward to it.