Wait until Iran is introduced. It's qued to be released mid 2012.

>implying that Al Queda was ever good after the 9-11 Campaign

Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

>>17680847
You DO know just how many RPGs you can spam, right?

I heard that China is getting a massive buff in the 2012 edition.

Just get some pickups and load Jamals into them and drive near the tank and boom

It don't matter. NATO air support is still OP.

>>17680884
cry me a fucking river

Use lots of decoys. Israelis have a penalty to identifying civilians, so if you use your ability to bring a neutral fishermen crew with every pirate squad you should be gold

>>17680847
>when Osama Bin Laden was removed as a Special Character option

You mad bro?

Incidentally, I'm working on my American Navy force, and I'm thinking of adding a few squads of Navy SEALs as an Elite choice. Anyone know good Wargear choices for SEAL squads?

I hope we don't get any "hurr china strong and wise" fags in here.
How many times do I have to say, China is NOT good, only less evil. Yes, they stand up to the West's depredations and soulless capitalism. But if you actually take a look at the fluff properly they're got massive human rights abuses everywhere.

At least Americafags admit they're downright evil warmongering bastards that fight for oil and are straightforward about it.

>>17680912
I would go with REDACTED as their primary weapons with a side arm of REDACTED. Thier REDACTED are the best dedicated transport in the game.

Fucking US drone-lists are retard overpowered, I mean shit, scouting AND Tactical bombings? WHILE maintaining the strongest Armor and best miltech in the game? Bullshit army. Real bullshit army.

Least their soldiers have to take a leadership penalty when firing at "unarmed" units. Which plays directly into my Shock'n'Drop list.

>>17680912
its pretty cosmetic choice with what you go. Base stats are already better than anything the sandies can throw at you and you start with superior intel bonus anyway.

Screw Bin Laden, my Nork build was entirely based around Dear Leader and now they've retired him from the game!

>>17680899

When was the last time you read an Israel-rulebook? Their Western Nation Special Rules is heavily modified and civilian kills isn't that big of a deal no mo'.

>>17680927
It'd be nice to see the plot progress, but I bet it'd be "new Glorious leader, same stats as the old Glorious leader".

>>17680918
>implying China hasn't gone capitalist

>>17680921

>doesn't know about hidden IED counters.

>>17680921
That's why you take the shitbag NCO option. Yeah, they have a higher chance to break under fire, but they'll shoot anything.

>>17680939
Exactly. Less evil, not not evil.

>>17680921
>WHILE maintaining the strongest Armor

Dunno, the main unit hasn't been improved in like what, 2 editions? It's ridiculously overpriced and not really superior to what the other major NATO countries and the Russians can field.
Stryker lists aren't all that great either.

Am I the only one that's mad about Blackwater being retconned? Just because some soccer mom's got their undies in a twist about the whole "shoot at anything that moves" thing and the IMPLICATION that civvies get killed. Jesus, with that reasoning, EVERY army list should be removed!

EU forces here with focus on Germany

I sold all my submarines to a friend who plays South Korea and one who plays Spain and Italy. I also had to give some to a friend who plays Israel for free, because I stepped on some of his minis.

Also sold all my tanks and artillery to the friends that play Poland and Turkey.
But economy is strong and I bought the new boxes of money. Guys, I love this new set! I know that it's not available to the US, Italy, Greece and lots of other armies, but Germany can field money in all FOC slots as a 1-100 entry!

I'm going to buy the EU next.

>>17680953
Thats the thing. I think the price is meant to balance the army out. They are also gonna get a lot of cuts in 2012 changes too.

>>17680953

They maintain the best armor because Tank-heavy lists have a free support option of those bomb-robot things, at no extra cost and don't take any slots. Makes IED's useless against them.

>>17680958
I guess you weren't around when they canned the Executive Outcomes list?

>>17680953
Dunno. The Germans are still the only ones that can stand toe to toe in tank battles with them, especially with the reactive armor upgrades. Russian armor has been a joke since 1st ed.

noobs haven't read the background fluff and noticed just about every communist country besides North Korea either went capitalist or collapsed and then went capitalist

and North Korea is a shithole.
If you look at the background fluff, you'll find that any system that relies on the absence of greed, ambition, and selflessness, and relies on people willingly working for the good of one another without reward or incentive
will fail.

humans in this setting just don't like that.

>>17680962
I have bad news for you bro, money is due for a big nerf in a few years

>>17680976
German here

I can only field one tank! I have only one and it's a 0-1 choice.

>>17680980
still every other army buys German products. That's good enough.

>>17680958
No way, dude. Blackwater Mercs kicked ass. No penalty to firing on unarmed units, and they could use ANY weapon in the game, AND be attached to any other force as an ally. So back when I played Somali Warlords, I used the Looted Vehicle rules to give my Warlord army shit like NATO and Russian tanks, and then had my Blackwater Mercs take up all my Elite and Infantry spots on my army list. The result was fucking insane, and I even put up a decent fight against a US Army list at one point.

>>17680970
In my experience, such lists fare poorly against any opponent who has proper manpad options. I've seen a friend's list get slaughtered by a chechnya veteran army, when he tried to use the setup he usually brings to stomp insurgent lists.

>>17680976

Did you COMPLETELY miss out on the Patriotic War and Cold War editions, or did you just buy the NATO trash-talking bait and sink? Russian tanks have almost always been on par with their western contemporaries. T-34 to the T-80, they've had excellent fighting vehicles.

>>17680989
yeah but using them puts a blackmark on your army Morals Tracker which hurts you in the metagame.

That's why I hate fucking armies like Al-Queda with special rules that let them ignore the moral tracker

>>17680992
that was first edition.

they've had the shit nerfed out of them since.

Denmark player here

Me and my friend, who plays Canadian Forces can field 0-6 German tanks with ALL updates while Germany can only field 0-1 tank with only the basic updates.

I love that!

>>17680953
Brit armour is just as good, especially if you take the German guns upgrade, and why wouldn't you?
Remember the old edition, before 'German engineering' was available and every rifleman had a massive misfire chance? I know they gave them bayonet charge to make up for it, but it still made it annoying to play brits

>>17680982

Hey, atleast you CAN buy a tank. I read that in the fluff that Sweden has the Leopard 2, but the Nordic Battlegroup list doesn't even have any tanks available, just some IFV and APC's!

Yeah sure, I got some Carl Gustav's so I can handle just about any tanks that get thrown at me (and I hear that next edition will sport even a MEANER AT infantry option), but damn, some diversity would have been nice.

Am I the only one who's thinking this rocket artillery stuff is fucking OP bullshit?

>>17681003
Too bad you can only play in games up to a 1000 points worth of troops.

>>17680992
Last time I looked at the Rules for Russian tanks they still had the off chance to dedonate ammo on a turret hit.

Pretty amusing to watch a pair of scout vehicles take out a pair of T-72's, let me tell you, to say nothing of a squad of tanks roll through a company with no losses.

I hate that only U.S., Russian, and China lists are allowed to play Apocalypse games.

that's BS

>>17681016
you can play EU armies with a modifed ruleset, but they will be underpowered in contrast to everyone else.

>>17681016
Well, there is the EU combined army rules that are in beta, but you pretty much need to have three different armies and all their rulebooks to play that. And I hear official release is being delayed so they can do a new US list.

Brazil army player here
my friends want to play on open field terrain and we all know that Brazil has no decent heavy armor or long range infantry, so I am thinking on switching to another army any recommendations for a Brazil player?

>>17681016
I've heard we'll get to play a "assorted western allies" list in the next book.

You can take up to 3000 points of each NATO country but from what I've heard there's almost no synergy between the armies and you'll get malus to any command test because nobody speaks the same bloody language.

Swedenplayer here, fuck this ed, can we jump back a few editions to when Sweden was at least mid-tier?

Has anyone noticed how China in fluff is supposed to be some great unstoppable military power.

And yet, they furthest influff nation they project force on is Tibet.

>>17681025
Nah man, you forgot the
"Draft!" rule most Euronations still posess.

Germanys and Frances military can grow tenfold in size over night, with next to no mali, as the draft ensured a trained civil population.

>>17681003
How do the Canadians play with the new German armor and American air support rules?

For fun in cityfighting, there's always Lybian fighters. Nothing says fight the power like a land battleship and a guy who shouts "drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword" and can pull it off.

Did someone say russian rocket artilery spam list
russian rocket artilery spam list

Rockets and rpgs in every foc slot!

>>17681046

The German army no longer has the draft rule!

Has anyone ever said "Fuck the moral tracker (and associate damage on my metagame)" and carpet bombed a city to rubble First Edition Style

>>17681047
Poorly, while the equipment has improved, the morale of Canadian troops has steadily decreased since the WW2 edition.
They're almost as bad as Italians these days.

China is not 'not as bad' they are clearly good.

They are united under their grand leader and fight for the greater good of the world.

China also disaproves of warefare and only fights because they must.

>>17681001

I know how you feel. I thought my Turkic States list would be safe, and then two years ago, BAM! They added the Revolution event in the new codex, nerfing my Kyrgyzstani units. Still, Kazakhstan's special character seems to be going stronger than ever, and so I just sit and hope that a future codex will have some sort of official organization I can field them all together under without using the neighboring country rules.

Have you heard about the German add on by the subsidiary company?

KSK or something like that. It's basically, one man is about 200 points, so similar to SEALS.

>>17681071
A million internets for you. I lol'd

>>17681040

I'm not familiar with the earlier versions, but wasn't that in the beta before the First Edition? You know, when the rules made riflemen always miss and they needed to charge into melee to do anything?

>>17681040

The campaign ruleset for Sweden used to be fucking insane, bro. Once the Mobilization event kicked in, nobody could deal with Sweden, so the "most probably enemy" was always forced to blitz his way in to the capitol, southern airfields and Norway so they could claim a Victory Location victory before, what, 500 000 recruits got activated?
I always had fun games as Sweden, but it only really worked on Global games, maybe on Europe focused Cold War games when you could count on the ruskies being busy with NATO.

>>17681065
Italians were just (really) bad in the first two editions, now they're actually decent. Friendly fire still sucks, though.

>>17681064
Depends...does firebombing count? I have to stop after 3rd ed though. The Damn Hippies rule made it useless after that.

My conversion for the Spanish Army. How do you like it?

>>17681051
Oh man, those looting rules. When I saw they could take Technicals with tank guns or helicopter rocket pods, I nearly died.

So much Dakka

>>17681078
First Edition is WW2 and early-mid Cold War bro.

You seem to be talking about Warhammer: Age of Imperialism

>>17681040
Me again.
Did anyone see the ARCHER that is coming out for Sweden? Damn I've got to get my hands on that one for my Sweden army.

EN SVENSK TIGER.

>>17681061
Idiot
They drafted up till mid 2011, earliest when the draftrule is expected to be removed is 2040ed, when the last gen of draftees gets too old.

>>17681086
Yeah, and hippies don't stop you, hippies just added the moral tracker. which as mentioned before, beats the fuck out of your metagame in competitive lists, because everyone hates you (represented by preffered enemy across the enemy army).

>>17681102

I can bet your ass that Nordic Battlegroupers won't be seeing it anytime soon. I'm mad jelly.

Does anybody really think US Marines aren't underpowered?

They only get stuff that's been phased out by the other US lists and the improved morale doesn't seem worth it to me. Their NCOs have great stats, almost as good as the old Blackwater lists, but what use has Infantry in a western list these days? They're way too expensive to use as fodder, unlike the ones I can field with my Iranian Revolutionary Guard army.

>>17681097

Warhammer: Age of Imperialism is the best game, tools. I love my Prussian forces and special army commander Otto von Bismarck. Though, it gets tiring to listen to butthurt Frenchfags all the time. Hey, fluff is fluff, and Prussia is just that badass with the Dreyse needle guns. Range is not everything, you know?

>>17681060
Fuck rocket-spam. AC-130 for the win, dawg.

This is OP.
>I put this together
>source in img name

I run a Nordic Battle Group army consisting mostly of Swedish troops.

I like that they have high morale, good training and pretty decent gear but the "Peacekeeping Force" rule of engagement kinda crews them over, since i can't shoot first in a engagement but have to wait for the enemy to fire first.

One thing that made me rage however was that in the new codex they switched from Conscription to Professional Army. Sure i get one more Elite slot to use but the cost of my troops and units shot way up.

So, what does /tg/ think about the armies in the South America expansion?
Yeah I know, most of them are underpowered, but seems that at least three can actually put a good fight.

>>17681097

Ah my bad. The both games are getting way too similar, it gets confusing when you are only somewhat knowledgeable with the fluff.

>>17681064
> Has anyone ever said "Fuck the moral tracker (and associate damage on my metagame)" and carpet bombed a city to rubble First Edition Style

I'm playing Germany and, yeah, well, in a game against Afghan Taliban, I bombed two oil trucks that the Taliban player put right in the middle of a lot of Civilians by calling in US AirStrike (special rule, once per game).

The outcome was awesome! So many templates!!!

But the Taliban player claimed that none of his minis were among the civs.

In order to play that attack, I had to take a commanding officer, a scout team a civ informant and the current minister of defense out of the game, though

AND instantly gave 1 wound to the following minister of defense!!

I think it's not fair. The US can bomb civs all the time ... stupid rules for Germany ... "Home politics" ...

>>17681127
>100mm RHA at 45°

Nazi Germany called, they're afraid you can penetrate their Panthers and Tigers.

>>17681109
Kinda sucks for me though since I'm the only one who plays America in my area. It's bad enough that I have to deal with bombs everywhere, but giving them preffered enemy to boot sucks ass. At least I finally got my F-22's to keep enemy air support down.

>>17681044
This is because China is a nation of peace unlike the imperialistic NATO and American scum.

>>17681137
Yeah, if you play the meta politics game, Germany is almost unusable. They're especially weak against Muslims, though.

>>17681140
Can I see your face when you realize it's from a light infantry tank; testbed of a infantry fighting vehicle?

>>17681087
looking good

lol

>>17681154
And this is why I switched to Switzerland.

Meh. I had to sell my US army because it got too expensive. Besides, I heard their unit costs are going to go way up in the next codex. You'll only be able to bring one troop, one tank, one elite, and one HQ in 2k pts. They might be strong, but I'm not sure how it can go up against the Chinese hoard, or get past the ridiculous al-Qaeda cover saves.

Speaking of China, once I finish paying off my credit cards, I might look into playing them. The models are quite expensive, but I heard it was OK to cast them.

>>17681148
That's why any NATO list has to avoid civilian casualties to stay competitive, fucking moral tracker and preferred enemy.

China is fucking bullshit because it's the only army that is both a major power AND does not have a moral tracker.

>>17681169

but all your weapons have 0 stats

>>17681174
>china
>The models are quite expensive, but I heard it was OK to cast them.

Actually, you buy the molds.

>>17681175
Moral Tracker get disabled on the side of an army engaging a major power anyway.
So it's only a problem if you want to run a all Artillery army to roflstomp insurgents.

This reminds me of what fun /tg/ is like again.

>>17681175
It does not have a moral tracker, but you have to be careful whom you engage.
You remeber DEFCON from Cold War era?

That shit is back, especially with US armies shifting to Pacific theatre. Expect Navy builds everywhere.

>>17681184
problem with China v america lists and that you'll seriously struggle with American air force lists.

You'll be fine against USMC or US Army lists though.

Dont play against the US in the associated naval game Modern-Fleet either. If you think the US is fuck-OP in Warhammer 2012, you clearly have never played Modern-Fleet

So i've been looking in to this, for a British army, are challenger 2s reflective of the fluff? where the only time one has been destroyed is by another one of it? (obviously i don't expect them to be that OP in game, but still some of the toughest out there). Also how do the paras and royal marines stack up? the country as a whole took quite a step down in overall power levels didn't it? can't even take half the auxiliaries you could before right?

>>17681078
Are you thinking of the Fantasy game? I meant two editions or something back when we had conscripts and the points for our models were way lower than now.
>>1>>17681116
7681081
I know what you mean bro.

>>17681116
Yeah I'm so pre-ordering five.

>>17681131
I'm with you man, why the fuck couldn't we keep conscripts? Now our army has even fewer models.

>>17681201
Their special units (SAS, Marines etc.) are still pretty decent, but you will be always short of those.
You gotta make it up with the standard troops.

>>17681201
Challenger 2s are quite well balanced, you get a very nice armour save, but you sure as hell pay for it.

Problem with the fluff is that the Challenger 2 never fought a proper up to date MBT, pretty much like every other western nation.

I'd be wary of any helicopter list, but that's a given for any army that relies on armour.

>>17681205
LOL, what the fuck did I to my post? :D

Also: I love you guys, can anyone archive this? I don't know how to do it :(

mfw this thread hasn't devolved into
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH
v
HUR DUR AMERICA IS NEW NAZI GERMANY.

I love you /tg/

>>17681226
godwin. finally.

>>17681179
The free fortifications are pretty nice, as are the mountain tactics bonuses.
Shame the Swiss Navy list was only an April fools release

>My weakest infantry can kill your strongest tank
>This is fair and legal

Aliens for the win, everyone else is a faggot.

>Dat feel when they pulled the Blackwater rulebook off the site and moved all the figures to the "Collector's" page

>>17681213

British standard troops aren't bad, but they're gimped pretty hard by the -5 to leadership tests when shooting at civilians, and their gear is pretty sub-standard. I haven't seen the new ed. yet, but unless they get some sort of scout ability they're just a lamer version of US standard troops.

Your best bet with a British list is to take the minimum of standard troops and bulk out on tanks and special units.

>>17681244
>implying Codex: Aliens and its models aren't just rumors

Guys, let me tell you what I found out!

You all know that the French army is unplayable, right? I found out that deeply hidden on the website, there's this small, official add-on called "French Foreign Legion".

Here's the deal: They don't use French stats but those of Germans, Americans and Asians, +1 for quality training. They are hardcore, heaving 2 wounds 11 Leadership (compare that to the 6 Ld of the French!!) and a rule named "Last one Standing". That's exactly the opposite of the French's "White Flag" rule! And no morale tracker beside the "Leave no man behind" rule. Sure, that's pretty self destructive sometimes, but I think it's cool fluff.

Lot's of people don't know about it so they are pretty surprised when I turn up with them, but they are 100% official and legal!

Oh, and they have this special unit of sappeurs. Bearded, axe-wielding motherfuckers!

>>17681249
But you have to admit, the SAS models are sweet.

>>17681205

I love the changes! Nobody can say that the story doesn't progress, and it works as a good explanation as to why there are new editions coming out all of the time.

Then again, I am the Nordic dude that's been on and off this thread, so the Swedish changes doesn't affect me too much, there'll always be a source of good troops no matter what type of recruitment the home country has.

>>17681253
Yeah, I ran a 1950s foreign legion list against 1950s Vietnamese once. I might have lost, but being able to take SS troops made sure it was a close battle.

>>17681256

Oh yeah, and that statline. They really make people think twice about engaging them in hand-to-hand. Remember when everyone thought those new rules for suicide bombers were going to ruin close combat?

>>17681253

You should have seen the Age of Imperialism rules for the French Foreign Legion. They were goddamn insane.

>>17681242
>Swiss Navy

here's a pic of the actual Swiss Navy Add-On

>>17681244

Pah! Aliens are pretty shit. With looted equipment rules, major powers can just spam psi at you and fuck your shit up.

>>17681247
Dude, just get the new Xe faction, they're literally exactly the same.

>>17681250
>implying GW won't finally cave into fan pressure and release an Aliens Codex.

Pic related, it's the concept art of what seems to be a Fast Attack unit.

This game went to hell with the Fall of the Berlin Wall campaign which kicked off third edition. 1990-2001 was boring as all shit. Though things seemed to have picked up with 4th edition.

>>17681282

I don't know why, but this image fills me with bowel disrupting dread.

>>17681244
>implying you're not just entirely anti-armour and get butt-raped by armies like China
>implying your UFOs aren't flying chunks of glass, seriously a MiG can take more hits than them
>implying your LOLRANDOM deepstrike deployment isn't useless

>>17681282

Heard rumors about those. Apparently they're really good, but pure hand to hand is bad if what I've heard about experimental Flying Infantry is true.

>>17681297

Yeah, if the rumours are to be believed they'll get decimated by anything with a gun before they can be any use. It's a waste of points. The art looks alright though. Models could be cool

>>17681286
>his game went to hell with the Fall of the Berlin Wall campaign

My friend and I once played a "Cold War" game. I had an Apoc Army consisting of 5000 points US forces, 2500 points UK, 2500 Western Germany and he had 10000 points of Soviets!

We played 2 days and it stalled! In the end we both pulled "Atomic Bomb" on each other, for the heck of it. No units on either team survived.

>>17681270
>>17681249
>>17681221
>>17681213

Cheers guys, so what? couple of basic troops for the necessary ones, 1 unit of SAS and 2 lots of regular Paras for elites, 3 challengers and 3 apaches, cheap commander. How does this sound?

>>17681311
Think of the bastards in cover, though.

Sounds like these guys are related to that new rumour of a PMC-type army list that has tons of looting rules and a really loose moral tracker.

>>17681272
Brownwater navy is Bestwater navy

>>17681311

Yeah, what looks REALLY interesting are the leaks about underwater xenos. If what I've heard about the lobster dudes is true, we're all just fucked.

>>17681268
Yes, I loved that rule. 2000 pts worth of Waffen-SS in a post WW2 setting. Unfortunately I couldn't give them German equipment and the French equipment just sucked.

>>17681321
Maybe get some Scots. Cheaper than paras, but still got fantastic morale and can demoralise most insurgent units easily.

>>17681328

Fuck, forgot to attach the leaked image. Derp.

>>17681321

Sounds good. Be sure to get your Paras fully kitted out, though. It's pricey, but it's the difference between getting gunned down as soon as they arrive and fucking up your opponent's gun line.

i know you will say it was grimmderp, but i liked the second world war era warhammer, i mean, i miss all that genocide and killing thousands of civilians and "dig your own graves and then bury your own comrades" stuff, sure raping and killing little kids that work on mining is cool, or hiring mercenaries to terrorize and murder isolated populations is great too, but i just miss the good old mass murdering.

>>17681341
>invulnerable to missile fire

I assume this wont include heavy missiles such as TOWs

>>17681332
Meh, spetznaz in post WW2 was better because it ws more versatile. And Russian equipment gets a lot less failure checks with the "ruggedness" trait.

>>17681065
They can compensate for that by taking a ton of Highlanders. Not only do they have a high morale to begin with, if you take a piper with them it increases it further, while giving any enemy troops in range a fucking morale penalty!

Add to that their insane bonuses in close combat and you have one hell of an ambush unit.

So some fansite has put out The Battle of Yonkers as a scenario. Any advice how to win as US? There's a load of stupid restrictions on placement, and the unit selection is really limited.

>>17681363

Lets hope so. On paper, the leaks make it sound completely retarded. Spammable, cheap for what you get, and practically everything gets halved damage or less, with good health on top.

Don't understand all the hate on German lists, I'm running a German Leopard rush list and it's awesome. Slap some extra armor forward and you're good to go, plus a godlike main gun with godlike accuracy. Panzergrenadiers kind of suck, though, so I just drop them in cover somewhere and use Marder 1s as ATGM platforms. Close to best IFVs in the whole fucking game, but I never tried Pumas, and they say they're even better.

Oh, and slavshit players gonna hate.

>>17681393

Doesn't it have special victory conditions set up, or am I mixing it up with another scenario? IIRC you just have to feed most of your infantry to the enemy units to stall and get the rest out and you're good.

Meh, still playing Germany here. Sure, this codex kinda nerfed them to shit, but the next codex is said to be a MASSIV fluff update, that will allow it to be kinda like during the Cold WAR coxed.

I think a massiv European/Iranian/Chinese war was in discussion. Can anyone confirm this?

Also, Fallschirmjaeger = Best Elite IMO

Also, am I the only one who didn't like the Middle Eastern Codex?

>>17681389
Fucking Canadian Highlanders. They nerfed the UK Highlanders and even removed the Black Watch as its own regiment, why the hell didn't they nerf the Canadian ones?

>>17681428
which one?

Because Codex: Al Queda is like the Codex Chaos Daemons of WH2012

>mfw I Royal Navy list
>mfw Royal Marine spam
>mfw Naval Gunfire Observers in every squad
>mfw 8 S8 AP2 pie plates every turn

Anyone else miss the old sea harrier spam days?
Also, are there any more rumours about the new forgeworld F35's?

>>17681119
your Prussians stand no chance to my Ottomans. Our bombards could easily level one of your 900 point fortresses.

>>17681131
If you don't mind cutting down on armour you can always go Danish, basically same shit but with out the peace keeping crap.

>>17681477

This retarded ass Kundus Codex.

Germans have NO HEAVY TANKS!! (fucking bullshit if you ask me)
Moral/Leadership test for almost everything (shot a civilian? say goodbye to half of your shit) the air support sucks cock, infantry has substandard equipment (goes totally against the fluff) and don't even think about playing it with the politics rule. Than you can just give up straight away.
It's so fucking dumb, really.

Only good thing is the joint operation ability, which allows you to field a few other NATO units.

Indiaplayer here, I've heard rumours we finally get our different gods back in the next codex, instead of the generic gods we have now, what do you guys think? I'm really stoked to play my Happy Buddha as a real Happy Buddha again!

>>17681416
Well, there's a points scale. You need to hold out for enough turns. But with the 'running dry' scenario rule it's really hard to keep fighting long enough.

>>17681534
enjoy your peaceful protest bullshit rule being jammed down your throat like it did in First ed.

>>17681428
Codex: Mujahadeen was god-tier, stinger missiles with infiltrate AND scout was frankly OP. Obviously you'd struggle against soviet artillery spam, but most things struggled against that, including soviet troops choices.

You are all obviously playing Germany wrong, It's THE most powerful codex out there, Unstoppable armor and mechanized troops, God-tier special forces, Prettymuch unstoppable leadership and unit cohesion, NATO airstrikes, Etc. You can NOT lose as Germany. And dat flecktarrrrrn.. Ohh yeaaah

so a few of my buddies have been talking about playing second ed and I was wondering what you guys thought of me fielding marines vs Viet Cong? So far I'[m the only person fielding US, there are 2 NVA palyers, 1 SVA player, a French Player and even 2 VC players. Do I really stand a chance?

>>17681539
>Well, there's a points scale.
They get bullshit prices on most ordinance, you can get around this with taking allies from US or UK lists.

>>17681555
You can't win with Germany either, at least as long as you're forced to use the politics rule.

Now, if there's one thing I hate it's how the current edition massively fucked my Cuban (FAR) Armor list through that damn Special Period bullshit and the tech increases. Only thing I've got left is the Machismo rule, and some uncompetative tanks.

Second edition man, having Soviet Support especially with the You want what, and where? rule was hilarious, while FAPLA auxiliares and the excessive machismo rule made my army awesome in second-tier competition, and one hell of a Tar Pit and a decent striking force. Hell, one time my buddy who played South Africans and I had a massive 5000 point match, which I swear to god lasted three days, playing almost all day. That was awesome, but we never ran it again.

Hopefully the next edition fixes this.

>>17680870
Yeah, but without the upgrade to the PG-7VR warhead or RPG-30, you can't take on western tanks with such a list.

>>17680921
Dude no. The Brits have the best Armor in the Challenger 2, followed by the IDF with fully upgraded Merkava IVs, while the Leopard 2A6 has the most firepower. Not that anything with the 120mm gun is lacking in firepower either.

>>17681474
They took out the Black Watch list, but now you can have an army with the units from all the old Scottish lists.
If you play it right, it's pretty broken. I hear Scots might be getting taken out of the British lists altogether though, just to add yet another NATO faction using the same gear as everyone else

Someone archive this shit NAO!

>>17681552

IMO the Vietnam codex was way more broken.
Basic Vietcong infantry with Infiltrate, Scout, poisoned Weapons and this dumb POW rule( take enemy units with I think 1 wound, and your opponent had to roll a leadership/moral test)were overpowered as hell.
Kinda justified by the fluff, but still

>>17681563
Nope, not even then. If you are losing as germany. Kill yourself. Now. It's the only excuse for that level of failure
The two best armies
Bundeswehr and Russian army. Ohhh yeaaaah, Combined. Unstoppable. beating a 500,000 strong US/British/muslim army with 50,000 points of Russia and 40,000 points of Bundeswehr. Suck it!

>>17681580
that's what I'm worried about playing US Marines. yeah we've got WS3 and BS4 and LD10 base but our armor sucks and to even get close to effective we have to use the entrenching rules on a big hill then just bomb the shit out of another one OR just shoot it to hell with artillery.

>>17681561

Also, you can afford to handle shit equipment, but you have to use every trick in the book to avoid losing morale. I think there was a rule you could use to gain morale. Something about Troopers and Iron Maidens? Sounded weird, but whatever gets shit done.

>People actually using Codex: Germany
>Not using Codex: Europe.
>Not filling Fast Attack with Eurofighters.
>Not filling Heavy Support with Challenger 2 squadrons.
>Not filling Troops choices with Legionaries.

It's as if you want to cripple yourself with leadership tests and poor air/armour support.

rolled 13 = 13

>>17681038
>my friends want to play on open field terrain
Man, what this is a deal breaker. Brazil has one of the best camo based armies, but Open Field? fuck that.
You can't go wrong with USA dude. Or Germany

>>17681593

Depends. If you play with "WAR" rules, they rape shit like it's noone's business.

With "Armed Conflict" or "Insurgency" rules the restrictions are way to sever, though. Their main strengths are crippled like shit (mainly tanks and elite infantry)

Just IMO

>>17681604
>Not filling Fast Attack with Eurofighters.
Have you just >implied that Codex: Germany doesn't have any Eurofighters?

>>17681607
Actually, I'd say Canada was a better option for him.
>>17681604
Codex Europe has Rafales in Fast Attack. Their SPECTRA Special rule is awesomely broken, and they're cheaper than Eurofighters.

>>17681604
Someone's stuck in 2000 edition.

>>17681593
Idiot!
German here, too. Politics really fuck up this army. And don't forget the funds. Sure, in an economic war, Germany can take on everyone. In fact, we can buy the whole EU!

And yes, fluff wise we have the best equipment, best armour, best weapon companies and so on.

But the rule "no money for armed forces" clearly says that the most upgrades are not available for our forces. They Leo2A7 upgrade is only available to foreign armies, for example. If you still buy it as German, you are cheating!

With the fall of the "draft" rule, IQ stats from Grenadier ot Officer are going to fall down from 10 to 7. Discipline fell from 11 to 6 anyway. In the same time, politics rules don't allow for proper discipline measures to at least boost the discipline back up.

>>17681609
Well, Bundespolizei has some sweet Elite choices usable even in a not-WAR scenario.

Can someone post some good army lists for me? I want to start a small Germany army, what about 1000 pts?

>>17681568
Still, the Canadians get all that plus US Air support and fucking German Armor!

>>17681604

>Leopard 2 are better (but more costly than Challengers)
>Fallschirmjager are only slightly worse than legionaries, but are wayyyy cheaper and have more moral, and the "KEINEN SCHRITT ZURUECK" rule
>They also have Eurofighters, wtf are you smoking

>>17681604
>implying I can't run pretty much any Codex: Europe units in my Codex: Germany list.

Also, what are people's views on the combined Nordic Battlegroup list? How long do you think until they will combine all of the Scandinavian armies into fully being one?

>>17681612
Meant Rafales, sorry about that.
I swear German eurofighters were nerfed anyway though.

>>17681623
>With the fall of the "draft" rule,

You also get yet another penalty playing against muslims.

>>17681621
He can also try the Foreign Legion.
Just sit there, hold your place.
They are one of the only armies that can get an artillery barrage and shrug it off.

They're also Fluffy as fuck

>>17681623

Uhh..dude? The only thing the loss of the "draft rule" did was making Infantry more costly?

And the loss of "Conscripts" but they sucked huge dick anyway, and noone used them

>>17681642
I loved that codex where the Germans to use cheap MIG-29s to bolster their forces. Too bad it got retconned pretty fast.

>>17681623
>With the fall of the "draft" rule, IQ stats from Grenadier ot Officer are going to fall down from 10 to 7. Discipline fell from 11 to 6 anyway. In the same time, politics rules don't allow for proper discipline measures to at least boost the discipline back up.

>implying dropping of the draft rule hasn't boosted Ld up to God-tier. These conscripts were shit, not even worth anything in any scenario outside German borders.

Also you absolutely miss all the great Europe options to absolutely legally buy back all the upgrades. Just read the fucking rules.

>this thread has received 1 of 4 requests needed to trigger archival.

chanarchive.org/request_votes

rolled 10 = 10

we have our own archive site you know right?

suptg.thisisnotatruenending.com

>>17681653
Yeah, I know your pain. But that was kinda OP and not really fluffy, just a remainder of the merging of Codex:GDR into Codex:Germany. Tornados aren't that great, but they are all right. Well, Germany hasn't had any great own air combat options since the WWII edition. Just use tanks and elites, they are Germany's main strength. Also waaaay more fluffy

But yeah, European Army with mainly German stuff is pretty much unstopable.

Also, should I get Boxer IFVs or not? They seem to be pretty awesome.
Also, KSK is underrated.

>>17681631
But they've got that weird mix of peacekeeper/active combat/training roles that makes combat in a civilian zone ridiculously overcomplicated

I kind of wish they'd just go back to the 'genial stormtroopers' rules they had in older editions.

>>17681694
YES! They rape EVERY OTHER light IFV like fucking no tommorow! Deutschland deutschland uber alles!

>>17681634
>Implying anything short of conscripts are cheaper than legionaries.

Sure, the lack of special weapons is annoying, but legionaries are all about plonking on an objective and forgetting about them.

My current tactic is to max out legionaries with paratrooper doctrine and french officer upgrade, deploy onto objective, make them go to ground and bomb the shit out of the surrounding area (expendable rule ftw).

>>17681694
The Boxer is nice and comes with a lot of options. Personally, I'd prefer the Puma, though.

Anyone ever used a Fennek Scout vehicle?

rolled 17 = 17

So guys, I've been thinking on starting a French army.
What do you guys think of the FAMAS Rush with some sappers on it?

>>17681706
>YES! They rape EVERY OTHER light IFV like fucking no tommorow! Deutschland deutschland uber alles!

fluffnazi

>>17681712
I use them. Best scout vehicle, Bar none. Keep a panzergrenader section near them though, Just incase.

>>17681712
Fenneks are nice, but they aren't as great as Fuchses. I know Fuchs isn't primary for scouting, but Fenneks just kinda fall in-between.

Any good Special Charackters for the German Army?

I thought about a Infantry officer, because of the "Lead by Example" rule, but is there anything better?
Mainly Tank+Gernadier army. (With underbarrel Nadeluncher, 3 Panzerfausts, and 1 LMG).
No fast attack yet, but I thibnk I'll take "Fehrnspäher"

>>17681714
Good plan. With the new improved French air support rules make sure you pick up some planes to pop tanks, artillery, pretty much any hard targets in fact.

>>17681712
>>17681725

I love trolling Russian armies and they're erratic air support with my Wiesel tankettes. The TOW isn't what it was in earlier codices anymore, but still rather nice if you manage to hit the side of your target.

>>17681321
That sounds alright. Don't just chuck your troops away, though, they're not bad, and Brit lists tend to be too small to play like that. Their BS and WS is pretty high end, so drop them in cover and the cover save means they can stand up pretty damn well against troops with superior equipment. It might pay to get them mortars, too, since Brits have no minumum range on them for some reason (error? there's been no errata on it so eh). Really useful for when big footsloggy armies start rushing.

I'm pretty sure there's a Brit HQ choice that lets you give two troop choices a a scout move, so get your hands on that.

>>17681498
Rest in peace, sweet sea-harrier.
May you always earn your points value in enemy kills every game.

>>17681757
>Wiesels
This. This shit right there. It is motherfucking god-tier.

>>17681704
Oh man did I love them in WW1 edition.
Trench Raiding specialties with Highlanders, insanely high morale, and Rolling Barrage, problem Germans?

>>17681749
Oberst Klein would be a pretty good choice.
„Wir werden mit der Härte, die geboten ist, zurückschlagen.“ allows you to fuck over anything, though you have to remove him from the game after the airstrike.

check out this cheater:

black (cheap)
German uniform (high Ld and skills)
Para
AK

>>17681843

The shit? There's no way that's legit.

>>17681843
Illegal list surely?

Italian All-Female Army player here

best army is best

Muslim armies fall into rage and explode prematurely all the time!!

why is the fluff for the f-22 nerf so shit? exhaust in the pilots air supply? how in the actual fuck is a design flaw like that even remotely plausible?

inb4
>huurr corrupt MIcomplex


they shoulda just said "whoops we overpowered it" and released a new statblock.

I hope they bring this with the new Codex!

Germany Player here, should I get Tiger Eurocopters?

Seem pretty shit, but I heard that they were suppoused to be buffed

>>17681843
You forget that black armies are weak against muslims, and since those are currently the greatest problem in the fluff, I guess it's supposed to even out.

>>17681890
Nice artwork, source?

Also German Veterans with the G3 are prolly the best Infantry choice there is.

I know it's not all that fluffy for WH2012 but I'm looking ahead to the next edition. That's why I play US with maxed out drones. Kind of a counts-as Skynet thing.

>>17680847
>Somali Pirate force

pic related:
my last game against Somali Pirates

>>17681896
They are some of the best Attack-Helicopters you can get but really expensive. I hated it when they cancelled the Comanche, would have made american close air support even more overpowered. The A-10 however is still crazy with its armor save...

>>17681896
1980s, anti-tank, overpriced

>>17681896
No, just take apache squadrons with MRP. Similar price but extra firepower.

I fucking love playing as Muslims, I can field 275 Martyrs and 2 Prophets for 1k points! The tears of the US/NATO forces are fucking delicious. Martyrs just fucking rush froward in a brown wave and blow the shit out of everything.

>mfw 2 martyrs blew up one Obama-Super-Duper tank in a single turn

What ever happened to the So-

>>17681909
you can still get the G3? I think they fully replaced it with the G36.

>>17681749
>Any good Special Charackters for the German Army?

Germany can take Santa Claus as a Special Character

Not sure if he's worth it, though.

Is the Panzerhaubitze 2000 worth it's costs?

Playing against NKorea (don't ask, some fan made setting and rules)

Norwegian player here.
Finally codex update!
From the looks of it, the troop cost have gone up, the drafted rank-and-file is even more exspensive and crap but fuck if the elite choices aren't sweet.
Sure, it sucks and the "media-blackout" is constantly limiting the ability to actually use these guys.
During the Kosovo War scenario, those guys frigging owned.
Still, I lose pretty much every other fight and I've never gotten past 2nd round in a tournament.

>>17681946
G3s have been reintroduced. The G36 didn't really work out for the germans. They've basically done the same thing they did with the MG42 before in the 50s codex.

>>17681952
> NKorea
Okay, you're enemy is going to have at least 10 times the arty you have. No idea how you're supposed to win against that unless you take a pure air/armour list.

>>17681949

Santa Clause + Honour guard are probably the best Elites you can get, quite expensive though.

>>17681946

Only as an upgrade for veterean units, but veterans rape shit as it is, and with the G3 infantry litereatly stands no chance

>>17681946
no, they were brought back in the Afghanistan-campaign.

Here's a pic of one of my G3 Vets.

Yes, Germany can have MG 3 (MG42) and G3!

rolled 2 = 2

>>17681909
Defiance Games.
they have a Starship troopers-like setting
the Marines

>>17681935
1k? I think you mean 2k. Also, only 2 prophets is retarded, you need 1 for every 20 you take. Otherwise they just go apeshit and explode prematurely.

When are the illuminati being added? Keep hearing rumours on the net but no actual evidence.

I play a russian asymmetrical build pretty much exclusively now.

West mad.

>>17681978
I love fielding G3 marksmen in my vet squads.

>>17680877
Yeah Chinafanboys have been saying that since 1st ED.
It's not happening, China was designed as a low-quality horde army. If you want to run a Chinese list that isn't infantry spam, that's what Taiwan is for.

I can't believe the Nazi teams got retconned out by G8, what bullshit is this? You can't even loca

>>17681946

Even better! The "Wachbatallion" can still use K98!
So you can have like 20+ snipers on the field, and still have points left for a something else!
But you have to roll a leadership test to see if you can actually field them, for fluff reasons, I think

>>17681870
>Muslim armies fall into rage and explode prematurely all the time!!

I know that feeling

>>17682000
A remember once seeing two guys with a Canadian list and an Australian list beat the fucking shit out of several people with Chinese and North Korean lists way back in 1950's edition.

>>17682020
Yep, warms my heart every time.

>>17681593
Yeah but how much was America's 'friendly fire' rule affecting that? admit it, that took out half the enemy on it's own.

>>17681984
There have been romours floating around since 1st edition. I dont think they will ever be released. They would be totally overpowered if they would get released. All the nice tech of the superpowers, no Moral Tracker and sci-fi bullshit like mind control satelites.

>>17682040
I've heard they will release the new Chinese 'dex alongside a new one for the Germans as well. Neuschwabenland, or something like that.

Guys, is this legal with the German Codex??

rolled 11 = 11

>>17682056
Fuckin' Germans.
People say about the Americans, but it's always the Germans that get the best 'dex

>>17682012
you can get them without the test when fielding them in Germany, but since the cold war edition there are no more scenarios in europe. Remember the fuckhuge tank battles right in the middle of germany during those times ? They were fun as hell, you could even use tactical nuclear weapons.

>>17682071

here, read this post:
>>17681317

>Ctrl+F, "Libya"
>No matches
>DISBELIEF!!!
>Read most of thread
>One misspelled reference, nothing else.

Seriously? I know they're not a top tier army, but they have a decent track record in the casual warring world.

I can't be the only one that loves their Mechanics and the Schoolyard War Factory rule, can I? Their models are just so deliciously haphazard, and don't even have that many rules where things just fall apart mid-use. Hell, their stuff doesn't even jam that often--their accuracy compensates a little, though, by being lower than average.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5d4RkpTetQ

This is a great conversion video--if you haven't seen it, check out what you can do with a few parts scavenged from other kits and some junk from around your house. It's pretty amazing.

Norwegian player here.
Been using old rules for a loooong time now (Sit still, mobilize militia, wait for US/NATO troops), but after that whole Cold War campaign ended, the new ruleset is awesome.

Elite troopers everywhere! Fucking expensive, but goddamn how they rock! Roll up with Swedish CV90's, German Leopard 2, American F-16's (outdated, I know. Will be replaced with the F-35 in the next edition). Too bad we have the "Politics!" special rule though, but as long as you avoid the "Media coverage" misfire roll you'll do fine.

Til Valhall!

Pardon my insistence, but what does /tg/ think of the South American army lists? I have an itch for playing as an underused army.

>>17681051
see
>>17682118

>>17682118
Lybian rebels are just a WH40k orks rippoff, who yell allahu ackbar instead of WAAAAGGGGGHH. Pretty boring if you ask me.

>>17682144

Haven't seen them used much, but Argentine air units rocked my shit when they got deployed. They use outdated equipment, but have inherent bonuses that compensate. It isn't on the level of unique units but it works pretty well even against classically excellent airforces.

I went back to Red v Blue after Yugoslavia got split into six fucking seperate codexes. From one of the most competitive armies, and for my money by far the most interesting fluffwise, to a bunch of generic shitholes shitholing at each other. Serbia couldn't even keep the NATO coalition from walking off with half their country in their last campaign.

rolled 15 = 15

>>17682144
Brazil has one of the best Camo fighters in the world.
Put them in a jungle and it's all like Vietnam all over again. But with less causalities.
They are decent City fighters too. If your enemy fights using enemies with the Special Rule "Outlaw" the BOPE Squad can terminate them in seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gnJB10WTpE
not familiar on the other armies

>>17682144
Knock off American and Russian gear with worse stats and the bad maintanence rule, but its pretty cheap and they fight good in jungles, especially the cartel soldiers.

>>17682199
Cartel are more of a Mexican thing

I really hate the Politics rules ...

>>17682118
I like there cheap infantry and light vehicles even if there training is subpar even compared to some of the more "regular" Muslim Codexes and they lack some of the weapons of the other muslim books (like all the soviet stuff of Al-Quaeda) but the improvisation rules are just awesome and a great modelling oportunity, too.

>>17682211
Now, yeah, but the Columbians used to be really nasty. No air power to speak of, but you almost couldn't touch them. Then they lost Pablo as a special character and they went to shit.

What do you guys think about my Jäger-Bundeswehr list?

HQ:
-CO, radioman, 2IC and 2 G36 soldiers
-Tank hunter section: 1 Feldwebel with MP7, two PzFst soldiers, two G36 soldiers with PzFst ammo
-Fuchs APC with MG3
220P

Standard:
2 Jäger platoons:
-1 Feldwebel with MP7, two AG36 soldiers, 1 PzFst, 1 G3 marksman, 1 radio operator, 4 riflemen
- Fuchs APC with MG3
2x 310P

Support:
-Medical Squad: 1 Medical officer, 1 medical Feldwebel, 2 Hauptgefreiter (all have MP7 and medical equipment)
130P

>> 970P
I´m using the 2007 army list from the latest Bundeswehr codex, that´s why I have Fuchs APCs. It´s my first game playing WH2012 and therefore I´m playing with 1000 points.
Don´t worry about my list not having any anti-air assets, my buddy isn´t fielding any air vehicles, so it´s alright (we´re playing a fictional Somalia scenario, he´s using Somalian Rebels).

rolled 6 = 6

>>17682244
Man, the Amazon Jungle is a fuckin' mess to fight.
I actually ran a Lost Indian tribe against an Modern Army.
And i won. Until they burned the forest

>>17682252
Forgot that the medics have a Wolf as transport vehicle, to keep them mobile.

>>17682252
The panzerfäuste should be enough to stop the light vehicles the somalis have access to, they might even be overkill. The light trucks most rebel armies can field have shitty armor values. even normal rifles can penetrate them.
Prepare to be swamped in cheap infantry. Its best to stick to cover and try not to get overwhelmed. You should also never underestimate somali anti-vehicle cappabilites that cost the americans a big tourney victory in 1993.

>>17682252

Try to trade in one of the Fuchs for a Dingo. With the points saved, you may get another Pzfst-Soldier or two riflemen. Just keep the Dingo away from booby traps and you're fine.

>>17680912
>2012
>Playing Americans

Bitch, my Norwegian army force with Germany as allies rapes everything! Pimp that shit out with Luftwaffe Air support and an FSK unit as the elite option, I mean, sure. The cost is crazy, but who uses tarpits anymore anyways?

Can get Iranians actually employ nukes now or are the guys at GW still busy with overpowering the damn Israelis. I mean seriously, a full Mossad Squad practically means instant rape.

I'm glad they finally updated the fluff for the USMC and eliminated the penalties for killing civilians.

Now my USMC force can curbstomp the battlefield without worrying.

>>17682252
>1 Feldwebel with MP7

I'd give him a G36 or even a G3

This seams to be some kind of "Germany FUCK YEAH!" thread. Am I still living in the same universe?

>friend is playing Japan against a best Korea player
>doesn't have much for his first turn, a handful of troops and planes
>suddenly special rule "Call for Help!"
>I drop my 2000pts of naval aircraft onto the field
>Korea player ragequits

I don't understand all of the US players getting so amped about the F-22. Sure its new and flashy, but it suffers from the "Constant maintenance" rule.

I'd rather get like 2 modern F-15s and an a-10 for the points cost.

Everyone else excited for the upcoming Iran release? I don't think they stand much of a chance with their outdated equipment and poor armor/air choices, but it should be a fun campaign.

>>17682326

You think those are bad, wait 'til you get a full army of Mista'aravim dumped on you. Can't even see them coming, the fuckers.

>>17682300
>>17682302
I might have a look at the Dingo, because it can actually be equipped with a 40mm GraMaWa, which would work well against horde armies (3 5inch templates when fired indirectly, with good strength).
Maybe I´m dropping one of the Jäger platoons and instead add a heavy platoon, with MG3 mounted on Lafette tripods. Massive ROF and wide field of fire should be usefull against Somalis. Unfortunately they only come with unarmoured Hanomag trucks...

>>17682338
No

Ruskie player here, running a Vega / Alpha Group list. Man, I hope the 2012 codex doesn't ban out nerve gas. That shit is so much fun.

Inb4 Butthurt Americans whining over OP base stats.

>>17682343
The iranians are a strong defensive force, they can get a metagame asset "mine the strait" that gives the western powers massive home war penalties. If you have to fight on there own ground they can also deploy some of the cheapest and best insurgents of all the muslim codicies. Even taliban guerilia are worse than those guys.
The new leaks also point to them finally getting nuclear weapons, even if the delivery system has not yet been revealed. It will most likely be something vulnerable to Isreali Air-Assets. Fuck GWs rampant fanboy-ism..

>>17682252
>>17682348

ROE will still castrate you to no end. Like "fire warning shot first" or "only shoot when attacked" ...

Anyone here play Australia? I've NEVER seen ANYONE play it.

I'm hoping I get to break out the tanks again for my French soon, been a good while since there's been a campaign that didn't just call for the FFL on the ground.

>>17682348
suppression fire is king against insurgents with their bad morale. If you cant pin them they will just overun you.

>>17682343

Seeing how models of the Al'Kud brigade have a 50% chance of getting "Fanatical" and you can actually hire Al'Qaeda core troops to do your bidding, this may or may not get balanced enough. Only worries are artillery, since all the Iranian missiles have a retardely huge chance of missfiring. Also, the fucking navy. Why even bother with a fucking Hormus campaign when releasing the fucking Iranians?

>>17682407

Only apply to "Insurgency" or "Armed Conflict" campaigns, not actual wars.

>>17682407
>>17682441

You can also ignore those when you pay for "Media Blackout" or "War Propaganda", but these are quite costly,mind you.

Does anybody have the new North Korea Codex? Scans pls.

>>17682181
Sad that even them they still struggle against some major powers.

>>17682195
The BOPE is fucking hardcore. I'd like to see a Brazil army with BOPEs against a Somali Pirates force.

And I think I have found an interesting setting for the old Warhammer 1900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_dreadnought_race

>>17682441
Have you ever seen an isurgency army like the somali rebels played in a war scenario? In the cold war era they could be used as auxilliaries by the great powers via the "proxy war" rules but today they are not viable for war. Most people play armed conflict. The politics and metagame rules are not as strict as those used for insurgency but the insurgency-type codices are still viable. In a war you would never stand a chance with a force without air assets.

>>17682421
I heard they can field kangaroo mounted fast attack choices, but I'm not sure if its true.

>>17682402
Eh, defensive forces are what the US is strong against.

Besides, if Iran does get the nuclear weapons than US players don't have to worry about ROE and a few other negative special rules.

>>17682431
Air assets are the whole reason I don't think the campaign is going to be balanced. Sure Iran isn't terrible on the ground, but any US force is going to take a lot of air and Iran can't counter the "stealth" special rule a lot of US craft can take.

>>17681009
>fire a shot
>mfwfaggots next room playng wh40k wonder what the fuck am I doing with a huge blast template on their table
>mfw I managed to hit some models on the table next to wh40k one, where couple of neckbeards were playing whfb
ain't no artellery like trolltellery

>>17682488
They might not be as good as what the Brazilians can take, but Russian OMONs cost next to nothing and they're god damn effective against poorly trained insurgents.

rolled 16 = 16

>>17682488
Argentina is having a major economical crisis right now. Not surprised by it.
South Americans aren't really prepared to fight against Major Powers.

>>17680962
>Playing spain
ENJOY YOUR USELESSNESS!
They need to make a new codex for spain armies, they are shit.

>>17682484
Their army has not changed much, most of the changes were made to the command roster. Sadly some of the old special charackters are no longer usable and the new supreme leader seams to be much weaker -if less prone to the "crazy" special rule- than the old.
The rest of their army stayed more or less the same. Cheap and plentifull troops with ok moral and horrendously outdated equipment. The new atomics are a huge letdown. No adequate delivery system and "unreliable".

>>17682550
But NK has always relied on spamming as much WW2 and Cold War era artillery as possible.

>>17682515
>They might not be as good as what the Brazilians can take
Yeah about that.
As far as i know, Brazilian Air Force sucks. Sure we probably have the best Land & Naval Army in SA, but our Airforce?
Jesus Christ, you better forget it

>>17682499

Yeah, the entire air thing sucks balls. We can only hope that the "Oil Embargo" rule will really increase the cost of vehicles.

Either that or Western Countries would have to take "Peace Mission",everything else would be unbalanced.

>>17682499
so its still GWs old America and Isreal fanwankery. If only Ward would do some of the insurgent codices...

>>17682563

Here's to hoping we'll see a decent way to combine Argentine Air and Brazilian Land and Navy sometime before the next edition. You could make an army legitimately competitive with a Major Power that way. Nobody would expect shitty SA units to do anything, so it's be a real shocker.

>>17682550
>>17682557

Well,could be worse. They could've just stamped the entire crap in, like with the GDR. Not that the latter was any good, the entire "Mauer" moral penalty sucked.

>>17682566
The oil embargo rule for Iran doesn't apply to the US. Canada/Saudi Arabia can do it, but Iran can't.

They will for sure have to take that damn "peace mission" rule though. Such a pain, but probably necessary for balance.

>>17682580
It will always be US/Israel fanwank, hence why 99% of written fluff is about them. I doubt Ward will do much, though I've heard of the "great depression" rule possibly being re-implemented. Which is terrifying.

>>17682545
Yeah, even the Canuck list is better than yours. They might not be able to field a large amount of units but they can do some absolutely troll-tastic shit with their infantry.

>>17682580

Dude,are you batshit insane? That guy gave the Americans B-52s, you could aswell glue an instant-win button to the table.

And don't get me started on the entire Reichswehr stuff. Hell, Germany was fucking imba before USA and Soviet Union got buffed.

>>17682557
This will still be there main tactic. I consider starting a north korean artillery force with some infantry screening elements, for "armed conflict" games. Any tips what I should take and avoid?
>>17682566
peace mission against Iran? only if they manage to win the summer 2012 campaign, wich is highly likely. The rest will be the Iran and Afghanistan campaigns all over again GW is not really creative there. Irans only hope are the strategic metagame assets and the fact that the coalition will be a lot smaller than the last time.

>>17682611
The next codex is going to remove the Oil Embargo penalties for Canada (And the US as long as they're fighting on the same side, and let's face it, when aren't they?).
Something about "Oil Sands"?

>>17682563
If you want a South American army that can run a decent air force, go for Argentina or Chile.

>>17682592
There's that "proposed" Cono Sur army list that would combine parts of the Argentinean, Brazilian and Chilean lists, but it seems to be just a rumour.

>>17682580
Meh, nobody play them outside of skirmish games besides hipsters anyway.

You should see most of the local ones. "Oh look at me, I'm so opressed and FIGHTIN THE POWA!"

I don't make exscuses when I loose, I just learn from it and come back with something better. They bring I.E.D.'s? I bring more tanks and MRAP's. They bring an Air Force? Oh, isn't that cute?

>>17682626

Well,there are rumors about a greater Campaign in Asia, but they Chinese Codex is getting a major overhaul, so the Chinese can play in Economic War games. Not as if they could've done that earlier.

>>17682616
They even fucking suck on naval.
NAVAL. i remember WH New World, they where like a fucking rape train.
And BANG they cancel it since it had no audience.


Also, do somebody have a "good" spain list? a friend of mine wants to play spain.

>>17682633

True dat, but it comes with "Eco-Terrorism". With a bad roll, this could fuck your shit up.

>>17682633
Oil sands is most likely going to be startegic asset and as such is going to cost some rather large amounds of points. I doubt they will hand it out for free.
>>17682624
Wasn't Ward the Guy who started the whole atomic weapons shit?

>>17682672

Nah, that shit was in long before Ward's time,but before him, using Nukes would get you HUEG moral penalties or you'd have to pay a fuckload of points for additional propaganda.

rolled 6 = 6

>>17682656
What the fuck does the Spain even do? Aren't they just a random european army but with the "Economical Crisis" Special Rule?

>>17682672
Yup, which is why we won't ever get as epic of Apoc games as we had in the WWII editions. As soon as one side seems like it's winning it just turns into bullshit blast templates and the fun is gone instantly.

[[Also, someone archive this shit,for the love of god.]]

rolled 10 = 10

>>17682713
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17680847/

>>17682713
been on sup/tg/ for a while bro

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17680847/

>>17682656
I nerver played spain in the modern game line. An in the old line I stopped playing them after my Naval list got raped by this british nelson guy at the final of the big living world tournament. My teammates hated me ever since.

>>17682672
I saw a Codex Leak, it's an army-wide rule that they get for free, aparantly the Canucks discovered a huge source of Oil in one of their own provinces. It's already in the fluff for the current edition, they just don't have refineries for it yet.

Makes sense, everything in the Canuck list is already ass-expensive to begin with.

>>17682695

ALL european armies have "Economical Crisis". Except for Germany, but they have to pay additonal points for every single damn unit. Fuck you,Eurobonds, fuck you.

What is a good close quarters/melee starter army?
Me and my brother are looking up to start but I'm a bit unsure what sort of army I should get.

>>17682746
Anything with Highlanders and/or Gurkhas.

So most Commonwealth armies, especially the Brits.

I'd avoid the Canadians at first, they can do some amazing shit but all their stuff is expensive and you have to play them just right.

>>17682746
Gurkhas

They are balls to the wall choppy, it's obscene.

http://xnepali.net/a-gurkha-soldier-who-fought-40-train-robbers-to-be-felicitated-in-the-republic-da
y-of-india/

>>17682738
some of the northern countries don't have the rule and as I last checked it was still debated if france would get it in the new campiagn book. Without it they might become competetive again. At the moment only there Air-force is worth anything.

rolled 3 = 3

>>17682746
>good close quarters/melee starter army?

Fuck Man.
This kinda of army has no place in modern combat.
Try some Insurgent stuff, or if you're playing the WW2 Edition, try playing Gurkhas

>>17682421

I play Australia.. the book is terribad. 250 point lists only. If you play any bigger you must take 1000pts american and "support" them.

Also there are no kangaroo units.


Fucking bullshit

>>17682773
Insurgents? I've seen Highlanders and Ghurkas absolutely destroy Insurgent lists in close-quarters combat.

Fuck I saw a Highlander list beat the shit out of an Insurgent list using nothing but Bayonet charges.

rolled 17 = 17

>>17682789
Where the fuck do you see Highlander armies in the current edition?

>>17682773
>>17682766
Gurkhas, right.
Anything special I should know about them chrunch wise before buying?

>>17682746
you should try the napoleonic wars or earlier the, ever since the american civil war melee was hit with one big nerf after another.
The only dedicated melee troops in the modern day are the suicide bombers of the insurgent codices. The vehicle born variant can be really devastating.

>>17682799
Canadian and Brittish lists mostly. Highlanders are the cheapest infantry unit the Canadians get and they're really fucking good.

>>17682788
Don't you guys get some pretty great elite choices though?

No kangaroo choices? Damn, hopefully they add some in.

>>17682800
Don't bother spending a lot of extra points giving them new equipment. They do fine with basic rifles as they will ditch them to go hand to hand the first chance they get.

rolled 7 = 7

>>17682800
Only use Melee as the last form of a attack

>>17682808
>Canada
Why the fuck Canada has Highlanders?
I Want some pictures of this stuff.

>>17682813
Right, thanks.
Well, I'm off to the store then. Later guys.

>>17682808
GW even gave the Canucks their own Black Watch list for awhile, then it got nerfed to Reserve status in 1970's edition.

>>17682837
Dude they've had them since the late 1800's edition.
In the fluff the majority of Canadian regiments are Highland Regiments.

Uh. you guys realize in the fluff and economic war rules, Germany gets Synthetic oil plants, Making them fully self suffiecent in that matter, right?

>>17682881
What the Fuck.
They don't go around carrying claymores do they?

>>17682899
We already know Germany are fuckin' overpowered. Nothing new

BTW, no one has mantioned it here, but what do you guys think about the "Black Ops" extension?

IMO playing on a smaller scale and micro-managing is fun for a while, but it gets kinda boring.

Also, Illuminati troops are so against the fluff, it's not even funny anymore

>>17682944
Illuminati are exact copies of the KSK, just with a different colorscheme.

>>17682922
Nope, they get the same equipment as the non-highland regiments, but better Morale.
I think they might not have as much heavy equipment as the non-highland regiments but that doesn't matter too much when you make smart use of the Leopard C2's that the Canadians recently acquired.

rolled 19 = 19

>>17682944
Smaller Scale things can be fun.
going all OPERATOR on people can be quite fun

>>17682944
Wouldn't that give Canadian players a rediculous advantage seeing as they're already used to playing as small forces of elite infantry?

rolled 13 = 13

>>17682973
when you play BLACK OPS, everyone has high moral.
everyone is OPERATOR

>>17682973
Well, there are no reall "factions" anymore, you either play NWO or PMCs, so you can pick and choose charackters from every nation there is.

It really goes against the fluff, and plays a lot differently.

>>17683005
It's like Necromunda.
But with competent people

>>17680950
>why is this so fucking perfect
>we need more threads like this

12 Soldiers CETME Smoke 'nades x 12 Frag x 12 -180p in Tank 60p
12 Soldiers CETME Smoke 'nades x 12 Frag x 12- 180p with Helicopter 80p
500p list, Spain.

I'm not sure about the points though, just pulled them from memory.

>>17683415
My somalian milita army
HQ
x1 Warlord with PKM
5 militaman with AK-47 and RPG-7
Mortar technical- 50 points

Support-
Looted T-55. 50 points, 20 additional with armor upgrade
Support 2-RPG-7 team, 20 men, 12 RPG-7's
50 points
Several squads of-
100 somalian militaman at one point each with three fragmentation grenades each and magdrum AK-47's, Roughly twelve

Problem, Anyone?
>Mwuahahaha.

rolled 18 = 18

>>17683505
>Somalian Pirates.
So, i guess your board has Water Portions?

>>17683505

Get rid of the tank, and pick some MG-Pick-Ups instead.
The t-55 gets instantly raped by all NATO tanks and AT-Infantry.
Use the strenght of the somalians, many cheap fast units.

>>17683629
I'm fighting australians and ethiopians.

>>17683647

Yeah ok then, but I wouldn't recommand looted tanks for anything else.

Also, be sure to keep your militiamen close toghether, for the "Angry Mob" rule

I love that rule! I shot down two blackhawks with it in the 1993 codex! Hehehehee. so many RPG's, atleast one was guranteed to hit. Silly Ranger player. Don't you hate those guys, so full of themselves?

>>17683725

They are nothing against those stupid Delta Force players.
>Buy newest set of Delta Forces
>Win

Stupid overpowered fucks.
I mean really, for every faction update, the DF has 2.

>>17683802
Meh.. The thing that worries me the most is that MARSOC+SEALS combo the Marine corps can field..*Shudder*, And if they pick up the KSK from that NATO ally bullshit? Game over man, game fucking OVER!

>>17683802
>>17683823

My army list:
>HQ: hero of the Soviet Union.
>5 Vega Group Operators with AK-200s and a Vintorez 500 pts.
>5 Alpha Group Operators with BISON SMGs. 500 pts. NOTHING Can beat this army. Hell, I once stormed a highly guarded fortress on a hill, under fire. With 40 Alpha Group Operators, killed the 200 guards inside and only lost two men.

Say hello to that WS10/BS8 goodness. Hell, Delta force armies are inferior to EU Spec Ops armies.

>>17683931
Do I know you? My ally has that exact army and did that exact thing..(I'm bundeswehr by the way.)

>>17683962
Eh, we may have played, it's a somewhat popular OPERATOR list for people who don't want to play US. Seeing as you get the "Operation? NEVER HAPPEN!" and "KGB ALWAYS WATCHING!" Rules. Oh, and you can use Vladimir Putin as HQ for apocalypse games.

ITT: people actually think that Codex: Russia, China, and US are beatable by any of the other codices outside Codex: Europe.

What new minis should I buy for my French army? I've just made a deal selling half my tanks to a guy who plays Oil Kings, since he can make them playable for his list just by swapping the engines.

And I'm still not done painting my aircraft carrier, so I mostly rely on subs with the Nuke upgrade.

rolled 16 = 16

>>17684095
Well if you manage to put them in a unfamiliar place.
Like Dense Jungle, then you have a chance of ambunshing him

rolled 18 = 18

>>17684121
Well you can't go wrong with Aiplanes and French Sappers.
But Vanilla French or the Foreign Legion?

>>17684095

The Bundeswehr can, if you know what you're doing.

Just go Codex Tibet and have two questions.

1. Why are all my unit choices either unarmed civilians or unarmed protesters?
2. Why do they all have a special rule that gives Codex: China preferred enemy.

What a useless codex

>>17684269
Sounds as bad as Codex: tiananmen square protesters

>>17684095
Codex: US is vulnerable in close combat, they don't have the option to take Bayonets anymore (and they'll hesitate to call in airstrikes and artillery so close to their own units), Codex: China relies on numbers, it's possible to whittle them down with elite infantry and artillery, Codex: Russia relies on armor, you're going to need plenty of air support against them.

>>17684333
>>17684269
that's horrible and hilarious at the same time.

>>17684333
>>17684269
Silly Anon.
the game of these Codices are ruining the morality.
if you manage to lose in the most horrifying way, your opponent actualy lose

bump for epic win