I vote for "nuclear explosion".

Also, don't forget polymorphing creatures already inside the sphere into things too large to fit in the sphere?

1. use graphite instead of stone
2. 1,000,000,000,000 gp diamond
3. ???
4. profit

OP, if you are ever in a campaign and get this set up, use it on the BBEG.

(as I assume it would create a fucking giant explosion.)

Your DMs face when.

>implying physics in fantasy.

>>17579407
But it says nothing can pass through the sphere so does that mean spells as well as physical things?

>>17579530

But does a spell that isn't a ray or "fireball" or something like that actually pass through the space between the caster and the target?

What about the conservation of mass regarding the polmorphing of that huge of a stone block into a small kitten?

>>17579530

And you can still use it as a sort of terrorism technique - "I've cast Relilient Sphere around myself, and I'm going to polymorph myself into an elephant if my demands aren't met!" This also has the advantage of having the lowest character level requirement (since Polymorph Self is easier than the other polymorphs).

>>17579560

magic

Is it possible that the sphere would just expand to a larger size?

I'm not sure I could handle watching my former kitten break physics.
Is there a way to extend the polymorph spell?

From the Polymorph Subschool rules in Player's Handbook 2.

>If the new form's size is different from the target's normal size, its new space must share as much of the original form's space as possible, squeezing into the available space (see PH 148) if necessary. If insufficient space exists for the new form, the spell fails.

Now, it is clear what the intent of this paragraph is; like Enlarge Person, you shouldn't be able to use Polymorph spells to crush something by making it too big for its size.
>If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, the creature attains the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using its increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process. If it fails, it is constrained without harm by the materials enclosing it— the spell cannot be used to crush a creature by increasing its size.

But, though they didn't cover it in the spell description, it is pretty clear to anybody that thinks about it that reducing the targets is also not intended to be used for crushing them: after all, the effects are mirrored except for that line, probably because they didn't think of it.

What is the conclusion that can be gained from this? Spells that change a targets size - whether Polymorph or Enlarge/Reduce, aren't meant to kill targets by crushing them. Therefore, I would rule that polymorph is not instantaneous and the return to normal shape merely stops if something is containing it until it stops being contained.

tl;dr: no, you can't crush a target by reversing polymorph.

>>17579648

That would make this harder to exploit, but not impossible. Imagine performing this experiment in a tunnel dug deep through solid rock and only large enough to fit the Resilient Sphere at its original size. Can one crack a mountain in half in this manner?

>>17579554

I guess something like that would depend on the DM.

>>17579585

Guards here explsion from the throne room and come running. They throw open the door expecting a fireball or something only to find one of the goriest sights they have ever beheld as everyone in the room is either splattered against the wall or nailed to it by bone fragments with gore coating every surface facing where the mage once stood.

>>17579666

That seems to be the final word on this specific trick. Might turning a Bag of Holding inside-out inside a Resilient Sphere still work for causing an explosion?

>>17579554
yes, see: line of effect

Also, if the cat makes a DC 120 Escape Artist check, it escapes...and turns into the chunk of rock.
>>17579666
So you can make polymorph permanent on the cheap by imprisoning the subjects thereafter in tiny stone boxes?

I'm not familiar with D&D's spell casting, but what's the smallest sphere you can conjure? Can you intentionally make it smaller than what your level would make it?

>>17579666

But a spell wearing off is different than casting a spell. When a spell wears off there is no chance of spell failure because you are not casting something its wearing off therefor the polymorph should reverse regardless of surrounding circumstances (such as being enclosed in a tight space). I could be wrong but that would be my interpertation of it.

Like the guy who told about the anticlamatic end to BBEGs when the snake man turned into a snake slid into a hole and they suffocated him with burning rags, then turning back into his normal form he was killed due to being to big for the space he was in (do not have the jpg on my computer).

>>17579666
I'm not sure it works that way. We can assume those "failsafes", from a fluff perspective (rather than an anti-munchkin perspective) are built into the spell, to prevent amateur wizards from accidentally killing themselves. But once a spell's duration expires, shouldn't the entire spell cease functioning, failsafe and all? If they intended for anything to keep working past the duration (or in the event of dispelling), they would have added a section for it, like they did with Fly.

>>17579872
1-ft.-diameter/level sphere, centered around a creature

thats what the spell description says anyway, were i the GM i would say yes.

I usually have completely unexpected things happen when my players pull stuff like this in game. I'd say that the effect of the sudden mass increase and energy release mixing with the sphere spell causes everything within a half mile radius to slip into the nearest pocket dimension, which would be some random persons bag of holding/portable hole.

I think the matter will become so dense, it will turn into a sphere of annihilation.

>>17580073
I like this policy. If you fuck with magic, magic fucks with you.

So if you did this with water instead of stone wouldnt you have a huge steam explsion like a mini mount St. Helens?

eh, I'm going to have to go with bad math on the part of the designers. Assuming you operate on a static size, at level 16 a wizard could polymorph 1600 cubic feet of stone in to a kitten and jam it in to 682 cubic foot sphere, but as the wizard levels up the ratio of compression would change the volume of what you can polymorph grows in a linear manner, but the volume of the sphere grows exponentially.

Assuming you can't purposefully reduce the size of the sphere, at about level 25 your sphere has more room than you can polymorph.

>>17580118
Or your very own mini star!

Regardless of the effect, wouldn't this bring down at least one Inevitable on the caster? I'm not sure how the use of magic in general fits into their "laws"(as it violates our laws of reality as a rule), but this seems like the sort of thing they would oppose.

>>17580272

Oh man, inevitables. Self-righteous assholes! My most hated monster in the Monster Manual; too bad I never got to play in a game where I got to kick their robotic asses.

The problem would be getting the kitten to the location you want in the 20 minutes you have, although a wizard who can cast Polymorph any object should be able to teleport no problem.

I would personally say "the sphere disappears and, high above you, the clouds turn into a giant hand gesturing at you in this manner" (at which point I give the player the finger) "and you take [insert a substantial portion of their health, but nothing fatal] damage."

Which is basically how I deal with any shenanigans like that, the peasant railgun, etc. My group finds it entertaining and also gets a message about that stuff not being accepted (not that it stops them trying).

>>17580156
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#casterLevel
>You can cast a spell at a lower caster level than normal,

>>17580272
Temporal stasis on kitten when he has about 30 seconds to reverting back, wait till inevitable comes, freedom on kitty as well as sphere then tele as soon as you can, after you reach safety dismiss sphere (assuming 30 seconds has passed) BOOM problem solved.

>>17580379
holy shit so you can cram 1600 cubic feet of something inside a 1 foot sphere? the force of that going off would be terrifying

>>17580524

Why not use a creation spell to create pure u-238 and use that instead as your "stone"

Obviously you get a tiny neutron star encased in a sphere.

>>17581123
>mini Neutronium Golems

I wonder what the stats on that thing would be.

>>17580524
But what kind of explosion would it actually generate?
Let's think about this.

1600 ft^3 of material = 4.8768 x 10^2 m^3 material
1ft diameter = volume of 1.1186 x 10^-1 m^3 space

So we are effectively forcing 4.8768 x 10^2 m^3 material into an area of 1.1186 x 10^-1 m^3.

Now, when we say "stone," what do we mean? For simplicity's sake, let's assume the composition of the earth's crust is the same in our world and in fantasyland. That would be, by volume: 47% oxygen, 28% silicon, 8.1% aluminum, 5% iron, 3.6% calcium, 2.8% sodium, 2.6% potassium, 2.1% magnesium, 0.6% titanium, and 0.1% hydrogen.

I'm tired, so let's simplify this to 50% oxygen, 30% silicon, 10% aluminum, 5% iron, and 5% calcium. Now obviously no single sample will have this composition by volume, but it's a decent estimate.
This means 4.8768 x 10^2 m^3 of "rock" will have 2.4384 x 10^2 m^3 oxygen, 1.4630 x 10^2 m^3 silicon, 4.8768 x 10^1 m^3 aluminum, 2.4384 x 10^1 m^3 iron and calcium each.

Cont.

Please, if someone more science-minded than myself wants to check this for error or take it up himself, feel free.

>>17581327
I don't really understand what is going on here but I applaud you effort.

>>17581327
Cont.

Next we need to convert from volume to mass to find out how much of each substance emerges from the kitten.
Oxygen: 0.1429 g / m^3
Silicon: 232.96 g / m^3
Aluminum: 269.8 g / m^3
Iron: 787.4 g / m^3
Calcium: 154 g / m^3

Applying this means we have 34.845 g O, 34082 g Si, 13158 g Al, 19200 g Fe, and 3755.1 g Ca. The total amount of material is... 70.23 kg.

Hm. Something is wrong here. Probably in my using the generic earth's crust as the composition of the rocks in question and the fact that it gives us 50% oxygen by volume. Next let's start over with a different sample.

>>17581779

You're using the density for oxygen gas. The density of oxygen atoms as part of molecules in a rock is much higher than that.

You can just look up the density of common rocks. Granite, for example, has a density of 2691 kg / m^3.

>>17581779
Keep going you magnificent bastard!

>>17581743
I'm trying to find the force of the explosion produced. I'm not very good at science, but I think that to do that the first thing that needs to be found is the elemental composition, by mass, of the 1600 ft^3 of rock. I'm a little stuck on what elements compose general "rock" and then what to do after finding mass.

You're using the wrong density for other elements as well. For example, the density of metallic iron is 7874 kg / m^3.

The Polymorph effect wears off, and the kitten begins reverting to a block of stone. However it runs out of space and the transformation halts until the sphere is dispelled whereupon it returns to full size.

It's not a matter of failsafes in the spell. It's simply that the magic is not powerful enough to compress matter like that. It starts shoving the stone block back into normal space and then runs out of room and gets stuck.

>>17581820
Ok, fair enough. Assuming it's granite we're dealing with, the density is 2.691 x 10^6 g / m^3. We have 4.8768 x 10^2 m^3 of granite, which equates to 1.272800 x 10^6 kg of granite, or 2800160 lbs. This is roughly equivalent to 15 adult blue whales, 10 diesel-electric train locomotives, or 25 average-sized military battle tanks. It's all compressed into 1 ft^3. This is going to be fun.

>>17581941
Excuse me, got that last volume wrong. But you get the idea.

That much mass out of nowhere can be fun even without Resilient Sphere. I mean, who wouldn't want to play with a cute little kitten? Maybe even take the kitten upstairs? Then BAM!

>>17581941
Roughly equivalent to 15 blue whales exploding, falling from the sky, or 15 blue whales colliding with something, or something else? Sorry, I don't do science.

>>17581941
Ok, shit. It looks like I'm more ambitious than I am intelligent; I have no idea how to do this, lol. My last Chem class was 2 years ago and I got a C.

You wouldn't use PV=nRT for this, would you? That is only for gasses, right? Again, if anyone more knowledgeable would like to help out or take up the reigns, feel free. But I would really like to know how big an explosion this produces.

It's tedious and difficult to know the actual energy of the explosion, though, you need a velocity for that, and that must be dependent upon the mechanical properties of extremely compressed granite which has suddenly had its strain removed.

>>17582078

It isn't straightforward to do. The compressibility of rocks doesn't scale simply the way that of gasses does. (And anyway, I think that once compressed so much, the material in question would cease to be granite.)

Even for gas phase, it's not trivial: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process

I say we take this shit to
>>>/sci/
Sure the idea of fantasy and science coming together may be weird but we've got questions and they've got the answers. All in favor?

>>17582192
idk man, it'll be he'll trying to find this thread again.

>>17582207
...what...

>>17582192
those nerds have to be good for SOMEthing

>>17582192
Former /sci/fag and physics grad student here.

If it really is a wall of potentially infinite force that keeps any matter from passing through it, than you get matter at incredibly density and temperature. As soon the spell expires, you get a massive explosion.

Getting an order-of-magnitude on it would be possible, but hard for /sci/. They don't really have enough background in physics, generally.

>>17582235
I don't know if there's any verified equation of state for common rocks that goes to those values of pressure and temperature.

Maybe look at estimates for the density/temperature of iron at the center of the earth. See if the density is in the right ballpark for what we need here.

>>17582235
if this can't be decided on magnitude levels that probably means a continent or 3 are gonna get blown to hell and back.

The cat turns back to stone, how hard is that to understand?

If the sphere is too small to contain the stone, the stone now has a spherical hole the volume of the resilient sphere with a stone sphere the volume of the resilient sphere inside it.

>>17582352
what sorcery is this?

spoilers on my /tg/?

>>17582188
Yeah I've taken thermo.

This issue can really be solved by Newton's Flaming Laser Sword.

>>17582608

This place has been censored by the newly-implemented Stop Online Piracy Act. Everything is blocked, and your IP has been given to the authorities.

Once the poly wears off, the stone is no longer a creature. Without a legal target, the sphere dissipates.

>>17582681

The sphere has to be cast around a valid target, but that does not mean it does not require a valid target to continue existing.

>>17582722
Does Bull's Strength continue to add 4 strength to a corpse? What if Medusa statues somebody - is the statue +4Str?

When the target is no longer valid, the enchantment fades.

>>17582836

It isn't meaningful to assign strength scores to corpses or statues, but if raise dead or stone to flesh are cast before bull's strength runs out, I expect bull's strength to be still in effect when the character it was cast on is back.

>>17582836
Why wouldn't it keep going? Floopsy Mcdeadfighter and the Stoner obviously can't use that +4 str, but I don't see why the magic would fade. Does a person paralyzed by a ghoul lose the effect as well, simply because he can't make use of his str?

>>17582898
Are you seriously comparing temporary paralysis to death? Paralysis is a temporary state of being. Eventually, the target will revert to Not Paralyzed. Death is permanent, and requires magic to reverse - one does not simply become Not Dead, in the same way that stone does not simply become Not Stone without the intrusion of a new spell.

>>17582950

The thing is, though, the sphere isn't affecting the creature directly as Bull's Strength would. It's not a direct enchantment, rather, it's an enchantment that is used to surround a creature, and thus, if that creature suddenly becomes -not- a creature, an example being dead (suicide, perhaps), then the sphere doesn't simply stop existing: It would persist through its allotted time, and then end.

>>17581941

2,800,160 compressed into a 1 foot sphere with a volume of (very roughly) .5 cubic feet (correct me if i am wrong) would give us a density of about 89,708,520 kg/m3 (using http://www.smartconversion.com/unit_calculation/Density_calculator.aspx)

in comparison

our sphere = 89,708,520 kg/m3

core of the sun = ~150,000

white dwarf start = ~1,000,000,000

(sources wikipedia)

So our sphere is about 593 times more dense than the core of our sun and almost 9/100 of a white dwarf start


again if my math is wrong correct me

>>17583132
also this is going off of what a 16th level wizard can do

>>17583250

If you use water instead of stone then at that pressure the hydrogen will be striped from the oxygen and undergo fusion to combine into helium.

We have a 1,000,000 lb H-bomb.

For comparison the Tsar bomb was 60,000 lb and had a yield of 100 megatons of TNT.

This would be about a 1.6 Gigaton explosion.

Pic is the size of the resulting crater.

We need a screen cap of this entire thread

>>17583353

Gentlemen, I believe we've created something deadlier than the Locate City bomb.

We have become death, destroyer of worlds.

>>17583353
Awesome. So how do we compress that much water?

>>17583389
that could prove troublesome at the moment.
Perhaps someone could take dictation?

>>17583353

...Is there any risk of igniting the atmosphere from that?

>>17583411
ctrl+a?

>>17583417
well yeah, but that makes for one fuck ugly screen cap.

testing
<spoiler> HA HA </spoiler>

>>17583410

Water doesn't compress.

At least, not at relatively "normal" pressures. I can't imagine how much force you would need to do what anon says.

More than we could possibly produce in the next 30 years, thats for sure.

>>17583434
We have an impermeable sphere, I think we've gone well beyond normal pressures.

Ultra dense kitten shaped stone

This is like Exterminatus for Spelljammer. I can't see using this on a world you intend to continue a campaign in.

The water might have to be in ice form as I don't think you've get away with a pile of water being an object as per the spell requirements.

>>17583450
Well that's fine really. Ambient temperatures are enough to melt it and the pressure would cause heat. or a simulation of it.

So basically from this thread, we went from turning a lump of stone into a kitten bomb, into various ways we can destroy large areas with a bunch of simple spells.
Interesting.

>>17583529
Why sage?
Surely this is better that going for the 400th rape thread of the day?

>>17583547
Sorry, last thread I was posting in I saged.

if magic behaved like anything in M:TG, the stone would no longer be a valid target and the sphere would be dispelled.

>>17583640
Wrong. Effects like that only care about legal targets when they target and before they resolve. If you make a Grizzly Bear unblockable with Goblin Tunneler and then Titanic Growth it, it's still unblockable.

Too tired to figure out when/where to cut off the screencaps, but directed at those saying they want it, but can't ctrl+a:

http://userstyles.org/styles/59541/4chan-unspoil-remove-spoilers

You're welcome, broskis.

By the way, archived

>>17584320
Neat.

Also, as a useless but interesting fact, the observable universe was this density, give or take about a second, 5.21102753 × 10-15 seconds past the 0 point of the big bang.

Assuming cosmological constants such that the universe expands at a constant rate, and ignoring the period of inflation from about 10^-40 seconds in to 10^-60 seconds.

Oh, and assuming there is 10^55 kg of matter in the universe.

>>17583353
>>17583450
Also can you put more than one ice kitten inside of a sphere, or are you limited to one creature per sphere? Assuming you tied them together or something so they could fit inside the space.

>>17579384
The resilient sphere dissipates when the polymorph wears off. Sorry guys.

>>17584511

Once again, I see no reason to assume this. Even if technically the sphere requires a valid target in order to continue existing, you can polymorph the kitten, put a flea on it, and then cast the sphere on the flea, conveniently containing the kitten as well.

In order to avoid the dissipation of that sphere when the flea is crushed by the polymorph wearing off, you can have two resilient spheres, one within the other, with the kitten in the space between the two spheres. (This is also a convenient way to survive the explosion, assuming that you put yourself in the center sphere.)

>>17584525
Cast tempororal stasis on the flea in advance then you could just drop it on the cat and cast on it and keep the sphere size down.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/temporalStasis.htm

"The creature does not grow older. Its body functions virtually cease, and no force or effect can harm it."

Okay, okay, summon undead: incorporeal undead, like an allip, shadow or wraith, or just rebuke\command it, or cast command\control undead on it.

Put kitten besides it, resilient sphere the undead, now cat and undead are trapped, cat turns to stone denser than the core of the sun, and the undead being incorporeal, does not care. Resilient sphere with molten core and undead remains.

>>17582014
PC:"Here your highness i bring you a kitten as a gift"
Queen:"Why thank you."
PC:"Well we best get going see you later"
15 minutes later
Queen:"The kitten is acting kind of funny."
King:"Hmmmmm?"
BOOM giant ass stone block

Could we use this as some sort of super-coolant? I mean, we can compact a whole lot of heat in to an area, we should be able to find some way to cool it down and upon rapid expansion drastically cool an area.

>>17584467
As long as you are high enough level you should be able to engulf more than one kitten in your sphere after targeting an undead like >>17584592 said to do.

the de-polymorphed thing suffers crushing damage for every round it is in the resilient sphere.