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>>17291052
...Wow, you guys are dicks.

>>17291052
I bet maintaining the uptime on that network must be a real pain in the ass.

>>17291822

HOHOHOHO

funny stuff, anon

sounds like you guys out-That Guyed a That Guy GM

>>17291822
Oh totally. With a system like that, I imagine they also charge an arm and a leg.

How would you make sure the bondmates don't lie?

>>17291052
Dark Heresy

It seems my GM reads /tg/ and took an idea out of one of our threads.

The campaign starts with blah dee blah we suspect heresy in this here hive world, go check it out. During our investigation we get a number of leads into a secretive organization, mostly young males, who go off to Emprah knows where about once a week, not returning until well past curfew. We tail one into a quiet, unassuming house. We take up positions around the house. Demo-charge a wall, bust through ready for guns blazing glory
>"You see several groups of young men gathered around tables. At each table rests many sheets of paper, dice, and miniture models of humans of various shapes and sizes"
We stubbled on fucking roleplayers.

Of course, that wouldn't have been the END of the campaign if the GM hadn't then had a bad breakup and decided we were going to play MAID "Tonight is a night for tentacles" instead. I decided to leave until he calmed down.

>>17291858

I imagine its more like a morse code deal. 1 cut for dot, 2 cuts for dash, that kind of thing

>>17291858
I think its more like a modem. You know, signal by screeching? Or muscular spasms?

>>17291878
But
>we see cultists throwing some victims down DEEP rifts and then sharing the feeling of the deadly impact
They're only sharing the feeling of pain, aren't they? I don't think they actually receive wounds.

>>17291880
How do you know that's not how modems actually work?

>>17291898
...no wonder the Iron Men rebelled -- our communication networks run on the screams of tortured machine spirits!

>>17291893
it might not be that hard, for a trained handler, to discern a reaction to different types of pain

add in code books and you could get a decent bandwidth

>>17291893

Well it would be harder to scramble messages with morse I think. If you report the cuts as they come, you won't know the details of the message until its obvious you're lying.

See, we just made items of sending and message.

Far more efficient, and a lot less maintenance

I don't think there's a problem with lying.

You have a cultist A and victim B in one tower, and cultist B (bonded to victim B) in the other.

Cultist A tortures victim B, and cultist B many miles away feels the same pain, and understands the message. Then he can torture his own victim to pass the message on.

This way every message goes through a dedicated handler, and only victims are physically wounded.

does PAIN move faster than light? test that shit

>Serve Your Country!
>Pain Communications.jpg
>Be a criminal!

>>17291052
....DWARF FORTRESS!

>>17291963
I recall some Lem short in which an idea of communications based upon torturing kings is proposed.
The reason being kingship transfers instantly regardless of distance.

I figure the method of communication would be a sort of half-duplex sort of deal.

Site A contains: Prisoner A, Acolyte B.
Site B contains: Prisoner B, Acolyte A.

Prisoner A is linked to Acolyte A, the same for set B.

Prisoners are tortured in pre-determined methods, each method linked to something that can later be translated - Morse code would be simplest, but given the number of locations and different types of pain a vast library of transmissions could take place.

Acolytes, trusted to properly decode these messages translate the messages as they feel them.

... I can't believe I just came up with that.

>this thread


hohoho you guys truly are autistic.

>>17292464
Why code messages based on a new code anyway? You could just carve them in skin letter by letter, and a skilled operator should be able to read what's being carved into him.

>>17292704
Which is quicker, carving "SHE'S A CHEATING WHORE" into somebody's skin or kicking a prisoner in the balls?

>>17292704

We also have to take into account how long the prisoners would last under such treatment - That is, unless we also factor in dedicated healers for the recipients of the violence which would dramatically increase the overhead of maintaining the network.

Best to stick to less damaging means of transmitting information.

>>17292944

There's plenty of ways to inflict pain that don't require damaging the target in ways that would eventually kill them.

A very simple method would actually be a permament symbol of pain, hidden behind a shutter. Reduce it's duration considerably with metamagic- say, to a second or so after the target leaves the radius. Then you just make sure the transmitter is seated precisely far enough that you can push a button to move the symbol into range, then back outside of range. Congratulations, you have pain-telegraph.

>>17292944

It is assumed that this is a psuedo-medieval time period.

No one gave a fuck about prisoners unless they were royalty.

If we factor in fucking DEBTOR prisons and PoW's / Bandits / Prisoners of other Species (if a traditional D&D setting) then there really would a constant supply of fresh communication devices.

>>17292841

They can have staples like Gutenberg had and just heat them and use on bodies of victims.

>>17293098

A potential issue in this situation would be the method of reestablishing the bond between the prisoner and the acolyte. If they have to meet in a common location to reestablish the connection, then the need to keep the original prisoner alive as long as possible comes into play.

It's all about keeping costs down-- you don't want to be paying a wizard to cast teleport two to four times a month just so you can be a little more brutal with the 'communication devices'.

...I-...

I love you guys so much.

>>17293351
Also, don't forget that you're repurposing a cult to the God of Pain here.

Not the God of Murder. The God of PAIN.

Since the dead don't feel any pain, it's probably safe to assume that he'd be in favor of keeping your victims alive as long as possible.

>>17293328
Actually, this gives me an idea. The prisoners to be used for the network could have a series of surgical staples put in a row down their side. Then, when someone wants to send a message, he puts a hot iron to one of the staples on his "send" prisoner, causing a twinge in the corresponding staple on the "receive" prisoner.

You could have as many or as few staples as you liked; it could be binary, like Morse code, or go all the way up to a full alphabet with punctuation.

The only trick is getting the prisoner to accurately identify which staple is twinging within a reasonable margin of error, but I'm sure there's a way to iron (dohoho) that out.

>>17293351

Goverment funded Resurrection?

The God of Pain who supports this idea would give prisoners fuckamazing durability?

Maybe if the bonding ritual is used with blood, and just the blood of both members of the bond they could keep preserved samples of each Operator's blood and have annual blood-drawing for the acolytes.

>>17291052
OP, I find your story funny and brilliant.
I think I should be disturbed as some level, but instead I'm laughing.

>Kingdom grows reliant on new form of communication
>horrifying punishments scare the population straight, crime drops
followed by either:
>Kingdom has to become more repressive to feed the communication network, sentencing you to agony for the slightest step out of line
OR
>Kingdom becomes expansionist, feeding POW/enemy slaves to the network

They did WHAT to my religion?

>>17293463

OR

>Magic Kingdom starts to use magic to grow / clone painslaves and give them fuckamazing durability and uses it to fuel the communication network because some magical dickery keeps them from researching simple long-distance communication spells but this type of divine bonding by a god is somehow a loophole in the act.

GUYS WE ARE FORGETTING SOMETHINGS.

We came up with the idea of skeleton based computers.

We now have a way of networking computers.

Guess what we can make.

>>17293499
>>17293463
>network eventually covers entire continent
>becomes sentient AI... of Pain
>captures its patron God and imprisons him to be tortured for eternity
>WHERE IS YOUR SKYNET NOW

SkeleNet

>>17293539
Look, if you seriously think constructing the internet out of the tortured screams of pain-bonds over networks of necromantic skeletons in boxes will be WORSE than 4chan, just think about the kind of loading times you'd have for even one goatse.cx

I've got the perfect name for this setup: the Lament Configuration.

>>17293539
Ho.
Ly.
Shit.

We just have to find a way to translate pain signals into commands in the Necromputer, and vice versa, and et voila

>>17293554

Dohohohohohohohohoho...

>>17293539
>>17293562
So we can use different types of pain for expressing different values.

We then use a skeleton to analysis this emotion and transfer it to the central computer. The central skeleton computer at the fort/castle/house/town.

The central computer then translates the message and orders skeletons holding different colors of crystals, aka an display.

We need to work on an input method for new messages but we have a basic computer network going here.


Necromancers = programmers

TBH the deity probably has an ulterior motive

fucken archived
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17291052/

>>17293678
like graduating from, and allow me to quote OP:
>a minor God of Pain
to the universally accepted dude with an ever growing network of small shrines used by everyone everywhere?

the God of Pain must be giddy as a schoolgirl over this

>>17293610
So we now have a system that can relay orders to where ever we need, given we have enough skeletons and prisoners.

The question being how can we reduce the size of the computers, well we need smaller components.

If we can smaller skeletons and smaller things to torture, we can get handheld devices.

Since we only need one connection to communicate with the whole network we keep one connection with the main server and the capital and one in device.

The server at the castle can now connect to any other device, then retransmit the data to the device.

And since the device has no limit on range and only limited in battery life of the tortured creature, you only need food to power it.

guess that comic (you know the one, about dnd being a cult) was right

/tg/, you've just made a simulacrum of the internet forged from undeath and powered by pure pain.

...Uh... good job?

>>17293757
/V/ here, im scared of you guys

>>17293720
So, this is even better. If you accidentally kill off a torture victim, you can just throw him in the skeleputer to replace any parts that are wearing out.

I think we've got a working system here guys.

Gary Gygax here.
Rolling in my grave.
Although I guess you sick fucks would just use that fact to make a perpetual motion machine, wouldn't you?
Assholes.

>>17293749
apparently

>>17291052
Ive just got a funny image of monks in chains being pricked in the butt with deedles and screaming and the camera pans back to reveal a set of towers with these screaming monks sending messeges both ways.

>>17293767
Yes but you need to replace the torture victim though.

What if we made them into lichs? They can't die, but would they still work?

Do we measure this bandwidth in hurts?

And the power in killowatts?

>>17293793
See, that's the beauty of it all.

It keeps the healers employed unless there's some kind of accident. You can build up an entire economy around this

Does the network transmit emotional pain?

>>17293809
What if we plated the skeletons in metal?

Would improve the lasting of the system through wear and tear.

>>17293827
The main server probably would have to be, since it has to be the most reliable in the kingdom. For the liches on the outside though, it would probably vary by wealth. It's kind of expensive to coat thousands of skeletons in inert metals.

>>17293803
Thread won, everyone go home.

Saved for future generations.

>>17293851
That's what dwarves are for.

We hire dwarves to mine metals that will work.

The main server has to be always working.

What if we made a backup server, would require twice the componants but it would be easier than replacing the whole network's connection the main server.

>>17293876
I think we've got a pretty solid kingdom so far.

We've found a home for the dwarfs, mining the component skele-metals for the main server and forging the sheathes, as well as potentially contracting for anyone with an "at-dungeon" server/skeleputer. Then necromancers employed as sysadmins, and then you've even got healers working with them to maintain the painternet router-transmitters. From there, whatever economy is needed to feed and otherwise maintain these can build up.

Unfortunately this pretty much has to be an expansionist and fatalist society, though they'd be awfully logical about it.

On a slightly related note, did we accidentally necrons?

>>17293709
"...and that's how the Lady of Pain was born!"

>>17293757
So basically AOL?

>>17293932
Yes, we made necrons apparently. Small side effect.

We could get all these people without being fatalist.

We take other kingdom's prisoners off their hands for a small fee, all of them. The ones being hung are killed and turned into computer parts, the rest work as data transmitters.

>>17293851
Divination spells and the Elemental Plane of Earth. It's just a matter of locating deposits of pure metal in its infinite expanse.

>>17293950
Yeah, basically.

>>17293977
Isn't there an Elemental Plane of Metal for this kind of thing?

>>17293961
Well, that could work then. Perhaps a portion of the kingdom's computational power could be devoted to figuring out how best to sow just enough discord in neighboring kingdoms in order to keep the supply of bodies and prisoners flowing, while contracting time to those very same kingdoms to compute whatever they need... with massaged results of course, so they don't learn anything they shouldn't.

>>17293961
Acquire drow or some other race of masochists.

If necessary, breed one.

>>17293987
We could contact the God of War and the God of Death and make an agreement.

They agree to help us get components and we use the computers as a symbol of devotion to them, along with the God of Pain.

We pretty much have gone 40k almost. Khorne, Slaanesh, and Nurgle. Along with necrons.

What kind of economy would a fantasy setting get from a pain network and skeleputers?

porn downloads (bdsm)?

So...the kingdom is saved due to incredible technological progress, but we can expect doom from sentient AI-like ethereal being of pain incarnate that holds grudges against it and actual god of pain? Pretty sweet idea for apocalyptic campaign with changes in pantheon.

>>17294032
That's what the drow are for.

>>17294025
Depends on where the bodies come from. If, as Outlander said, we just take the criminals, it would just be a (technically) high tech kingdom where magic is where its as, and the farmers who keep the mages well fed are vital. There'd be a delicate balance, especially if word leaked out that they were manipulating events, but until then it would pretty swell.

If they're unable to make any deals for prisoners though, they're almost absolutely going to have to resort to war to take keep their skeleputers from breaking down. Fortunately, they'd still have a large advantage, since they have near-instantaneous communication through the Painternet, as well as giant Skeleputers to possibly help out with strategic planning. The weak point in these lines would be the switching stations though, since it sounds like the Painternet is strictly point-to-point with an inability to spontaneously create new connections.

>>17294025
What would their credit cards be like?

I once accidentally the entire campaign when the GM gave me unlimited resources, copious amounts of time, and access to 3rd party splat books.
He made our characters for a sci-fi campaign.
He gave us an impossible task, but a shit-ton of time to accomplish it in.
He also allowed us access to 3rd party splat books.
I was a super-genus-prodigy-engineer-mathematician-machinist-chemist-physicist. Other characters were things like "snipes really well", and "doctor."
The impossible task? Chaotic Evil Asshole Aliens who were invulnerable, and liked playing with their food. They were giving us 30 years to "prepare for our demise."

So, other players start training to level up to become a threat, I went and used the skills I had at level 5. All crafts, all knowledge.

I also stayed behind and organized the citizenry, establishing educational programs, etc. etc. etc.

I also built a handful of limited-run robots, bodyguards for our medic, a personal tactical analysis robot and camera drones for our sniper, servitor droid for our captain etc. They tended to treat my creations like disposable NPCs anyhow. I sat back and played the robots, for the few sessions, while i was getting permission from my GM for various craft checks and knowledge rolls.

I wound up designing and building an assembly line that constructed Robotic sentinel units, code named "Boss Monster". Boss Monster Units were size category Colossal. They were so large and heavy that they could not lift their own ammunition reserves, so I just said "fuck it, make them immobile".

Each Boss Monster consisted of a single Diamond-armored hull, which would open, like a blossom, revealing their four Colossal Gatling Cannons mounted on their bulky, heavily armored robotic arms. Said Gatling Cannons were filled with Armor Piercing Super Cavitating Plasma-Dusted ammunition, which used Flatfoot AC, was +3 to-damage, and ignored damage reduction, per the rules, because of a 3rd party splat.

The Gatling Cannons also could burn through twice their usual ammo expenditure in a turn in order to simply target the "squares" of a 20'x20' area. With the amount of ammo I had given each of these things, they could do that every turn for five minutes straight.

When the Aliens finally came back, the rest of the party had been adventuring, and had made it to level 10. I was still level 5 because I had stayed behind and built, but I like to think that the fact that I reduced the first wave of invaders to a bloodly smear in one combat round under fully sustained fire from four Boss Monsters more than makes up for it.

>>17294082
Well the problem with whole computer system is resources will start getting used up for the system itself because the skeletons take a long time to break down.

But the system would be incredibly powerful and capable of predicting wars.

Also we could get a stock market going in the kingdom.

So every local cemetery becomes the in-universe equivalent of an electronics store? And every brothel that offers BDSM services is an internet cafe?

/tg/, I was amazed by the Necroputer. But this is a whole new level of awesome.

>>17294113
You have a Pain Account at the local bank/post office/whatever. If your charge is less than your pain limit, the pain goes through. If you overdraw, the bond refuses to transfer the pain because it's only capable of transferring pain up to your limit.

>>17294283
No, pain is the bandwidth.

You would just have a normal credit card based system connected to the bank.

>>17294293
The card reader would have to be able to cause and receive pain in order to transmit and receive data, though.

And now I think we're starting to get into some Videodrome-type shit here.

>>17294316
Well, remember, with the Mark I Lament Configuration (a.k.a. Painternet), each connection is basically four people, which can vary in configuration, but effectively consists of Handler A and B, and Prisoner A and B. One configuration has the Prisoners bonded, while the Handlers inflict pain on their Prisoner, which the other Prisoner receives and their handler interprets. This does leave it slightly open to the Prisoner lying, but presumably you have skilled enough handlers that these are easy to see through. Also you can reduce lying by having smaller chunks each time, but that's irrelevant at the moment. The other configuration has Prisoner A bonded to Handler B, which removes the necessity for much interpretation, but can potentially leave a Handler out of commission if too much pain is transmitted at once. Anyway, what it amounts to is that each unit is paired up, and each pair can both send and receive.

Although certain military posts and nobles would have personal use pain-coms, perhaps even people walking around behind them delivering and sending messages. (lol, walkie talkies) A larger network would need a server of some sort, so as not to require constant sets of connections between each and every town.
Thus in a few key and well defended places they would set up Gigantic halls of pain cultists,who's messages are read from one place and sent again to another. Through "relays" of pain.
Town A sends a message to Town D. In order to reach it it goes from A to grand pain server B, which sends it over to Grand pain server C, and they send it along to Town D. The only lag time is the translation of data between those who read the pain, and whomever is transmiting it along the way. This is easily solved by having a temporary spell that would connect the pain an acolyte is feeling thanks to his connection to be sent directly into another prisoner.

"Operator, can you connect me to neverwinter?"

>>17294415
We already discussed this.

Man one would be in the castle.

Since it's a one way communication network the server would have to process everything and redirect. The bigger the system the bigger the server we need.

If everything goes through one server you can communicate with every device.

>>17294415
This is pretty much exactly what we had in mind. Any serious Pain router would have a connection to the kingdom's main server. You could probably at first have it run by people who are living, but eventually it would essentially be the nation's largest skeleputer, with skeletons interpreting who the message should go to, and relaying it rapidly to the proper pair. Basically "servers" that paired connections can use. This would probably be in the kingdom's castle, but any well defended dungeon could probably work.

This is now your next quest. The kingdom wants you to raid the other kingdom's dungeon (server room).

>>17294454
>>17294438
To follow myself up, and elaborate on Outlander.

There's two kinds of modems in this system: simplex, and duplex.

Simplex systems would consist of one Prisoner (Prisoner A), a Handler who knows the transmission code to inflict the pain on Prisoner A (this can be the owner of the Prisoner, or a specially trained Handler), and the receiver individual, who is either another Handler, or another Prisoner. The pain of that guy would be interpreted by the Skeleputer at the main server and that would be the end of it. This is one-way transmission.

A duplex system would have four individuals, each in a pair. Each end would have a Handler and a Prisoner. Handler A would be bonded with Prisoner B, and Handler B would be bonded with Prisoner A. Handler A would inflict pain on Prisoner A, transmitting information to Handler B directly, who would then direct the skeleputer in the main server where to send the message and its contents. Then Handler B would inflict pain on Prisoner B, which Handler A would receive and give to its recipient.

A more complex system would involve three Prisoners and one Handler. It would require the skeletons at the main server to be sufficiently skilled at reading and inflicting pain that they could take the place of the trained handler at the server-side. Then you'd have Handler A, Prisoner A, and Prisoner B1 and Prisoner B2. Handler A would be bonded with Prisoner B1, and Prisoner A would be bonded with Prisoner B2. Handler A would inflict pain on Prisoner A, a skeleton at the main server would read Prisoner B2, and direct the skeletons. If a message come through for this connection, the skeleton would inflict pain on Prisoner B1, which Handler A would receive and then express the message to his owner.

Connections between skeleputer servers would be like the third system, except with four Prisoners and no Handlers. I can probably make a drawing if this is confusing.

>>17293499

Followed of course by:

>Leader arises among the Painslaves
>His people rise up in a mass revolt.
>Their super tier durability and general ability to resist pain ensure them a quick victory over the soft and decadent government forces

>castle
Guys, everybody seems to have forgotten that the original SkelePuter(TM) was packed in a small demi-plane/sub-dimension with hastened time. So no need for any castles, just a dungeon better defended that the treasury.

>>17294530
Actually the idea is that the computer is smart enough to read and apply pain, or they are encoded with instructions.

Remember that these skeletons can handle more than one order in the form of if then statements.

>>17294544
Now the problem is that the communication may not work between dimensions, so we need a local server, or a stable portal.

But yes I remember that was part of the idea.

>>17294566
>>17294544
Aye, I remember the dimension business, but I also seem to recall the pocket dimensions were filled with negative energy of some sort that would probably kill any prisoner instantly.

>>17294641
We have done weirder things on /tg/.

But this is up there.

/tg/ - We spontaneously get shit done.

Just don't tell us that we're supposed to be getting shit done, then we'll just dick around.

>>17294641
>mfw your filename

>>17294544
>>17294566
>>17294570
Right, so. With this business about pocket dimensions, is there a stable way to communicate inter-dimensionally? Would it be possible to carry around these Painternet "Modems," which connect with a Skeleserver in its own dimension, in a manner that keeps all participants alive (or dead) for as long as possible?

>>17294688
This also assumes that the pain-bond is inter-dimensional. I know it's incredibly long-distance based on OP, but I don't know if this includes dimensions. That's probably an important bit of information.

>>17294722
Ha, I hear you on that. Any high level wizards on /tg/ right now?

>>17294688
Dimensional communications is rather difficult.

It basically works as far as the God's power, which doesn't work in some dimensions, and does in others. We know it works over infinite distance but not between different dimensions.

A stable portal my fix this problem, or may not. Plus local phenomenon may affect the connection.

Basically, I can get it to work in the mortal realm and some select other realms, but outside that we need wizards with high level magic. I'm an engineer too mate, not a wizard.


>>17294732
Sorry I had to retype that because it was terribly bad English.

Moar magic!

a) put each prisoner in his own dimension (like a bag of holding). You made portable devices. Also they cannot flee or plot now.

b) Maybe invent mindless prisoners? So they cannot lie (or plot against us). A Permanency'd (or whatever the spell is called) debuff could help. Or invest in researching bonding with some mindless living beings. Or can one make a zombie feel pain?

>>17294706

The official ruling of The High DM is that the Pain Communication Protocol (PCP) does not normally transcend dimension.

As such, a method of permanently or semi-permanently establishing a portal to the realm of the Skeleputers near the Painternet backbone router may be necessary.

>>17294746
Could work. I know this entire system is based on magic, and this is going to sound silly, but unnecessary magic should probably be kept to a minimum. Less chance of terrible magic going wrong and all that.

Of course, that said, the portable modems like that would be best, we just have to tackle stable, portal-based communications via pain through dimensions, all handled and interpreted through Skeleserverputers.

>>17294746
Bag of holding kills what ever is inside it.

The problem with the handhelds is you would need a miniaturization spell or a polymorph, or you can apply it to bugs or something.

But using small skeletons, parts or whole bodies fixes this, just need to make the time limits long as fuck, and work within dimensional limits.

You can circumvent the whole stable portal trouble using stuff like bags of holding or portable holes. If there is a way for light to get through, the pain certainly should.

And even if I'm wrong, just put all the skeletons of the server in one. You invented the LapGrimoire.

>>17294765 as >>17294769 said, those kill/disable whatever's put inside. You'd have to use a pocket dimension with stable portals or a powerful shrink spell.

>>17294752
>mfw backBONE

>>17294778
IIRC they kill only because of lack of oxygen and food. You can easily supply both.

>>17294787
Ten minutes of air.

Still think it is better to use a shrinking spell/rune/whatever.

Basically these things would require maintenance every 6 months for replacement parts. People can only be tortured for so long.

But if we have extra supplies of prisoners, who cares.

These would also have to be kept outside a bag of holding, since we can't use anything that is undead for this, unless a lich would work, but then we got more problems.

>>17294752
Create your demiplanes as adjuncts to the astral realm of the God of Pain, dedicated to his worship. As long as the Pain God has access to all of your servers, he should still be able to facilitate communication.

Of course now you're going to have the actual God of Communication on your ass about an attempt to usurp part of his/her portfolio.

>>17294817
Is there actually a god of communication? If not, I propose the god of pain take that position. We also have to be cautious about the god of pain having COMPLETE access to these pocket modems, since he could conceivably twist the messages to his liking if he ever decides the world-wide worship isn't enough to sate his needs.

>>17294817
No we just give the God of Pain a second job, which means more people worshiping him.

We need him as much as he needs us. Until someone can discover a replacement for the pain based communication.

>see interesting pic on front page
>suddenly this thread

This thread must be preserved for future reference.
http://chanarchive.org/requests

Guys, you are going too far. Wireless can come in the next protocol. For now, just have the pain modem next to a portal with an interface daemon (possibly a demon, possibly not) who translates from pain to skeleputer. Sure, you lose out on portability, but computability is more important for the moment.

>>17294832
It never is. That's the problem with your gods. It's not enough that they have an incredible amount of power, but the fact of the matter is that power is dedicated towards only one thing. The increase of their portfolio. No matter how much pain your system creates and uses, the god of pain will always look for more ways to increase the amount of pain in the universe.

This is why you should just chain him into the system. Right in the middle, as the great big immortal pain turbine that runs the whole thing.

>>17294806
Originally we thought of using healing magic on them so they don't wear out.

I still think we should think up some (at least backup) variant for prisoners. Less because of humanity issues, more because of uprising risks. You know, how could you threaten them? "You'll get an eternity of pain?"

>>17294849
We archived it already.

/tg/ has it's own archive.

This kinda stuff happens more than you would think.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive

>>17294862
You don't have to be intelligent to feel pain. Breed weak regenerating magical beasts with enhanced pain sensitivity and no limbs. If we could make owlbears, we can make pig-slugs.

>>17294862
Presumably their own handlers are actual members of the cult. Someday, perhaps, the prisoners may too become members, enjoying themselves as much as anything. Could be a pretty cushy job in that case.

>>17294862
A breed of obese, limbless, totally benign troll pain-linked to a receiving skeleton would remove the moral problem of causing harm to people, would regenerate almost instantaneously, and if the breed was encouraged to be "usually lawful good" then they would understand that they were contributing to society by being a crucial link in the painternet.

>>17294851
The original idea was to just have one master server which every computer connects so every device is networked with every other device.

Now that means we don't need wireless connections since you only need to connect to the server, and the connection is unblockable local to dimension.

We could keep the computer local side in the dimension inside a time field still. Would require less magic and you wouldn't need to maintain a portal.

>>17294862

"We will make you have sex with beautiful women."
"Pffffft, that doesn't sound so ba-"
"AFTER we remove all the nerves in your penis."

>hfw

>>17294881
>>17294891
The problem is we need to use one standard source since we were going to program the skeletons to read emotions and it's easiest for a human to teach skeletons to read emotions of a human.

Yes, trolls would be a better idea, but cause you understand the emotions of a troll? Where would we get the trolls?

We aren't even sure if the trolls cause the pain network.

So...you're taking criminals? And consigning them to an eternity of continual, inescapable, torture? On the encouragement of the God of Pain? To create an interlinked necromancer datanet?

So you've created ACTUAL HELL ON EARTH... all just in order to look at pictures of Owl-Bears with funny captions?

Wait.

I have an idea.

Instead of an army duty, this kingdom gets a painternet duty.

Also charm spells.

>>17294939
No, we never said forever.

Just until their term ends.

Some that will be hung will be, the others will become skeletons. Rather effective system that replaces the prison system. And we can import prisoners from other nations.

It's a win win for everyone, but the prisoners.

>>17294939
You say it like it's a bad thing.
Owlbears are fucking hilarious.

>>17294939
I know, isn't it great?

You know how we suggested flooding skeleputer with negative energy periodically to regenerate the wear and tear on its undead components?

There's your scheduled server downtime for maintenance. The prisoners or any other magical beast you have filling this role is not going to survive the process unless they are shifted out.

>>17295037
Which is why we said to not use the dimension, cause if the server goes down, the whole network goes down.

Unrelated, is there any magical devices we can network into the painternet?

>>17295055
I forgot to say we got past that problem with a local time field and using metal coated skeletons, necrons if you will, to reduce the wear and tear.

Yes we will have to replace them eventually, but it's better than moving everything out to flood it with negative energy. Plus the whole portal thing and only lichs being able to enter is kinda bad.

This kingdom just had the biggest collective morality shift ever.

>>17295106
>typical DnD kingdom
Nope.

>>17295106
Hey mate, I just work here, I don't deal with philosophical questions like is this wrong, no I'm an engineer, I solve practical problems.

I saw a chance to improve the kingdom using an old blueprint and this new communication system.

If you have a problem with how it works, make parts that don't have problems and I will gladly use them.

We REALLY need information with what the Pain Acolytes can bond.

Actually, we can really make the work for the painternet (as a prisoner) the first durance for full-on membership in the Pain Cult. This will make the guys really willing it.

Or, like I already said, charm spells. They are rather low-level.

I fucking demand someone screencap this and archive it

>>17295260
It's been suptg'd already. Chillax bro. We got this.

>Use Pain-ternet
>create beings that create differently pitched vocalizations based on pressure / temperature of heated prod used to inflict pain
>link them to other beings of this nature
Music streaming has just been perfected.

>>17293539
>>17293610
Here's an idea: can Liches feel pain?
Then, instead of unecessary prisoners and such, just bond two liches in the pain network for a connection. Each has their own Deep Rot.
Or, instead of using potentially-rebelling prisoners, have it mandatory for military personnel to spend some time serving the pain network. When they have numbed a bit, they'd be more resistant to pain, thus enabling them to withstand enemy torture and such. Use prisoners only as a 'last resort' or 'emergency measure'.

>Investigating an Abyssal that mindwiped us and got us to a kill a local satrap.
>Catch a kid trying to rob us.
>Track down the kid's gang, realize there are a lot of orphans committing gang violence.
>Turn kid's gang to the path of righteousness.
>Convince gang to forsake all other crimes for bootlegging, supplied by one character's ties to a booze-wealthy town.
>Seek out the other two major gangs, forge a pact with one, therapize the fae-blooded leader of the other one with stories until she agrees to join in the just cartel and invest in the welfare of her community.
>Form a coalition of Dragon-Blooded students in favor of a new, egalitarian version of the old Deliberative.
>Serve as semi-Marxist, pro-mortal Solar advisors in new orphan world order.

This is actually how most Exalted campaigns go in an apartment of social scientists, apparently.

>>17295319
Those were my posts.

I realized that the idea would be bad because, lots of lichs escaping would be terribly bad.

We are talking WMD level bad.

If trolls would work, we would use them.

>>17295319
The problem is you have to convince Liches (immensely powerful magical beings) to being tortured on regular basis.

But the military idea, even if already stated by me, was developed really good by you.
Or you know, you can make it connected to some other social benefits. Like "Get tortured for 5 years and become noble". Or you just make it a fad of the young and spoiled. Like the German student duels that were also basically a test of your ability to stand pain.

Wouldn't powerful necromancers be able to essentially build with skeletons and undead flesh?
If so whats to stop them making multilimbed skeletons that can send on a lot of information to skeleputers and have a flesh of skin/nerves on their back or something in which pain is received/inflicted by themselves?
Or am I missing some key knowledge?

>>17295381
>a test of your ability to stand pain.
Like when I let some kid erase some of the skin off my hand in middle school?
Kept a straight face until he turned the pencil around and started digging the lead into the wound.

>>17295483
We don't know what can use the pain networking system.

All we know is intelligent creatures can that aren't undead.

>>17295496
So at this stage, paincultists are still necessary?

>>17295483
You'd need the permission of the God of Pain, and a 'pain-link' that's granted only to GoP's followers.

>>17295515
I'd say it's at least the state religion at this point.

>>17295515
>>17295517
Which is why we would use prisoners cause they are like cattle in number.

Otherwise we would use trolls, flesh golems or something that is undead.

Concerning the trolls, or whatever the regenerating creatures are heres an Idea
Have the pain inflicted like acupuncture type thing, causes distinctive twitches that the skeleputers can read, that way you could bread things that dont need to convey emotion

>>17295547
Actually this could work with pain cultists too

>>17295547
>>17295560
Yes that is true.

I like this idea, we would need some biologist or doctors to help map all the data values, but this is a very good idea.

>>17295576
Brainwashing cult, take a new generation and brainwash them to be pain cultists, masochists and whatnot all of them, these will be either pincushions or twitchers, on either side theres a pin cushion next to a twitcher, one skeleputer inflicts the needles into pincushions and the other reads twitches on the twitcher. No complaints they think this is their only goal in life, they're serving their god. Just need to map out the nerves once. Once and we're sweet, only need two twitches minimum or we can complicate it with more. but this should work.

>>17295488
Yeah, basically. Except you are supposed to keep a straight face all the time. The duels just get stopped when one of participants is blooding too heavily.

I also love how this is still a thing. I almost went to the guys myself, actually (and decided against not because of the duel business, this I love still).

>>17295607
Actually we can get very complex since skeletons can be programmed with a few if then statements.

Now if each pain twitch were assigned a data value we can get lots of information transfered very quickly.

But I don't like the idea of brainwashing, prisoners should work just fine.

>>17295658
Can prisoners be forced into the bond twitch though, can you force two prisoners to be pain bonded together even though one isnt a pain cultist?

>>17295658
Brainwashing is used to map out the nerve system.
I still like the mandatory military painternet program idea, though.

>>17295677
Well it's the god that grants them.

So, yeah I would assume so.

He did say he wanted to franchise it.

>>17295658
Hell, binary encoding allows us to reduce the number of signals down to two, pain, and not pain, and the pain in this case could be reduced to the minimum required for the link, which is just described as "pain" so it could be as small as varying needles all over the subjects back.

>>17295693
The problem is with that is no one would join the military then.

Prisoners imported from other countries gives a huge supply.

>>17295694
Oh well then good, i suppose the more people using the god the more powerful he feels right? Sounds good actually and this way we can avoid trying to put victims inside the skeleputers subdimension

>>17295701
No, no, no, we want more than one state that is easily readable.

More states means more data so that 01010110 can be 1423 or even less. Which means more data being transmitted.

>>17295710
The dimension idea was pulled because the connection may not work in there and maintaining a portal to make it work is harder than just setting up a time field and covering the skeletons in metal.

>>17295745
Ok so we just need space for the server yes? everyone has a personal skeleputer that then inflicts pain on their pincushion/ reveives in on their twitcher and then theres one central server..... so massive underground complex?

>>17295707
How about it's kinda required for a payraise? Of course, you'd feel pain, but once you're kinda numbed, you can serve your country better by feeling less pain!

It's still a problem if all those prisoners decide they'd have a prison riot, right in your skelecomp complex. Deep Rots take quite a time to make, and such a riot will bring down infrastructure and pain-communication of your kingdom.

So that's why I'm suggesting military personnel, because they're loyal, and they end up stronger and more resilient to enemy torture this way. Of course, this needs moral backing, so probably if the GoP's religion is the major religion in your kingdom, you can probably have military personnel that's also an acolyte of the GoP.

But come to think of it, the Pain Cultists should be separated from the ones that get hurt (prisoners or military personnel), because extended exposure to pain will numb them, and thus reduce their painternet usability.

>>17295765
No no no.

More complex than that.

We use shrinking spells to squeeze lots of skeletons into a small medal tablet or something.

Then we also have skeletons holding different colored crystals for the screen. The computer then orders skeletons to inflict the correct pain sequence that the user inputted into the device to the prisoner, which transfers to the master server which is hugely powerful.

Course you need to feed the prisoner or have a healing enchantment or something to keep him alive.

Master server explanation is in the thread already.

>>17295789
strap the prisoners in place?

>>17295789
You can't numb them if the system works on pain.
That kinda is undoing what you want to do.

And how would they escape, they are in shackles and possibly the size of a small ant.

>>17295797
healing enchantment, preferably in some sort of medallion or something, some object would be superior to feeding no? That way people don't need to keep tinkering and then replacing prisoners isn't necessary

>>17295727
That's an encoding problem then and that becomes a different issue. By introducing more relative signals the system can become capable of transmitting the signal faster, but reducing it to two states makes it easier to automate the transition from message to painternet. In fact it could remove the need for acolytes, and it also reduces the moral obligation by turning the pain from harrowing agony to constant annoyance.

>>17295800
Possible, but messy and high-maintenance.
And you will probably have to force them to eat.

>>17295833
We don't need to be limited to 2 states though because the skeletons can read more than just 2.

More states that can be read means more data being transferred. So why would we limit it to two?

The skeletons can handle everything.

Wait so we could have shrunken skeletons in side a sort of small medallion type object with windows at the front of it, and this medallion is placed just in front of the prisoners face maybe to interpret many different types of information, maybe even program them to register even the slightest differences in twitch, this could make information transfer ridiculously quick

What about contacting the Pleasure Goddess and seeing if she can work out a similar deal?

If you can use pleasure the same way as pain, you could be working with four different states instead of just two (pleasure, pain, pleasure and pain, nothing).

And IIRC the two functions are biologically linked anyway, so it stands to reason that the deities are probably also on okay terms. If not, they will be once they get a look at their portfolios for the next quarter after they agree to the partnership.

>>17295864
healing enchantment, no food required

>>17295727
I remember that some very complicated calculations say that the most efficient computer is based on a number system with the base e. Since that's not possible, 3 is the next best thing. Binary
s pretty good, too.

I cannot explain why this should be so, however.

>>17295886
That's what it does inside all the computers.

I said this already, this is how it transfer to the computer.

Some skeletons read his face and body language and transfers it.

>>17295811
that's why you rotate them. Once they get their feeling back you can re-use them.

>>17295902
That doesn't apply for this since the skeletons aren't the states, they are the actual code.

>>17295910
>>17295910
I know this, I was more thinking of actual rig set up

>>17295916
Prisoners with healing enchantments would never be numbed nor needed to be rotated

>>17295939
It's a self contained unit for everything.

Since a necronmancer has to build each computer by hand. Well I guess would could do assembly line.

These computers would be expensive as hell.

>>17295957
shrunken prisoners AND even further shrunken skeletons?

>>17295979
They are all shrunken to the same size and put in one device.

>>17295888
I don't know if this would work but it would be a better alternative.

>>17295994>>17295994
If the skeletons are further shrunken, or at least some then they can detect the most minute twitch differences on the prisoners face or body and then the information transfer speed increases dramatically

>>17296010
True but we are already using dangerous as hell magic as it is.

I prefer to work with stable systems.

But I like the idea. We just need an base system then we can start getting an economy with different models going.

>>17296041
I guess it comes down to the observation skills of a single skeleton, if they're good enough further shrinking skeletons wouldnt be needed to increase data transfer

>>17296072
And considering the fact that they don't have eyes, makes me question how they do it.

Maybe using magic to detect it.

>>17296010
But there will also be more misreadings. Some things are just not completely predictable. The prisoners may also want to fuck up your communication and set up a po-po-po-pokerface

>>17296081
Pull a Slannesh and make the God of Pain have every time it happen feel like it is happening for the first time.

Fixes that problem

>>17296079
magic to sense it? that means could use base 1000's potentially instead of base 2

>>17296081
magic them to have no conscious control of their body, theyre not frozen or immobilised its just they cant consciously do shit, its just nerve twitches that are manually triggered, SOLVED

>>17295957
You know what this calls for?
SELF-REPLICATION!

necro-singularity here we come!

>>17296090
Even if he feels it like for the first time he will know what he felt before. So he can still try to twitch differently. I also would like to say that even if it feels completely the same the reaction even in a willingly giving in individual may vary.

And we already pulled a Slaanesh, not only by combining the Gods of Pain and Pleasure, but also for the whole thread.

>>17296090
>>17296150
see
>>17296130
also this means he'll still feel pain as this is an involuntary action, he will twitch the same because it's nerves and his nerves will heal due to healing enchantment anyway and it'll heighten the pain of it

>ardarvia probably disapproves.

but still.. damn /tg/
damn.

>>17296172
>>17296130
Well, yeah, kinda.
But we have to keep the magic on a reasonable level. There has some maintenance (mostly spell refreshing) to be done etc. You will simply not have enough high-level magicians to do this. Because of this I am even kinda suspicious of the whole shrinking matter, but this spell can be permanency'd at least.

>>17296197
upkeep seems to be the biggest problem we have now then

/tg/, I love you.

I just wanted you to know.

Don't ever change.

Man, we really need to keep this from getting overcomplex, we should stick to the bare bones.

>>17296412
I see what you did there and I groaned.

But seriously, somebody should summarize the current set-up of the whole thing. I can not, since I am already too lost in detail myself. It may or may not have to do with the fact that I put an all-nighter.

>>17296130
HOw bout one day out of the month you do your duty to your damned country and serve the in the painternet. Honourable inspiring and perfectly acceptable.
It also encourages people to find new ways of maintaining the com-system because what kind of fat merchant wants to submit to that?

Ehm, don't die on me, dear thread.
Please?

AWWWWWW SHIT why did this die?

sleep kinda does that to people.

>>17298778
One more bump for the Painternet

A final bump for this thread on my part.

>>17291052
Pelor is proud of you.

>>17296466
Anon, for you, and for the archives, I will summarize the Lament Configuration Mark I utilizing Pain Communication Protocol (PCP), a.k.a. the "Painternet."

To start with, PCP was invented/discovered after a group of adventurers shut down a pain cult in the kingdom. This cult enjoyed bonding their cultists to victims, and then hurting the victims so they could feel pain without themselves suffering injuries. This pleased their god, and they were having a good time until the aforementioned adventurers showed up and wrecked the party. The party, in a fit of eccentricity, has a hunch, and does some tests. They discover this pain bond had effectively limitless (for a medieval kingdom) range. They go to the king, and propose their idea to utilize this as a form of communication, like a telegraph of sorts. The king goes for it, and the God of Pain decides that the party is a group of pretty cool guys, and puts his lot in with them. For the party, this was the end of it, but for /tg/ it was only the beginning.

Continued in Part 2, Qualities of PCP

>>17300234
The pain bond has the following attributes
>One-way only. The victim is bonded to another, and pain the victim feels is felt by his or her bondmate. Pain inflicted on the bondmate is not felt by the victim. It is, in every sense of the word, a "simplex" method of communication.
>Effectively unlimited range. This is likely not entirely true, but when you're on a single continent it's probably no problem, and you could likely set up repeaters if it ever becomes a problem.
>Wireless. It requires no extra connections, line of sight,
>Not inter-dimensional. While the pain bond cannot work across dimensions, theoretically you could truck with the God of Pain to handle this, but even if not, the system can still function.

PCP works because of the above attributes. While the exact code used isn't known, or even discussed, it's completely unnecessary to do so unless you're really bored and feel like it. The theory is sound, and you could easily have multiple kinds of signals transmitted depending on the sensitivity of the bondmates and victims.

Continued in Part 3: Modems

>>17291946
But your humanitarian process does nothing to help deal with the overcrowding problems of prisons.

>>17300255
This is, if you will, the meat of the system. It utilizes what is known as the "Lament Configuration Mark I." The illustration to the left will be used to help describe this concept. You will, essentially, have two sides to this: User A and User B. This setup assumes simulated duplex through the use of simplex transmissions: in other words, establishing two-way communications with a pair of one-way transmitters/receivers.
In its simplest form, the Lament Configuration has an interpreter on either end. This may be the end user, a hired interpreter, or even the bondmates themselves (this illustration assumes it is not the bondmates). Interpreter A will inflict pain on a Victim A, which will then be received by Bondmate B. Interpreter B will read the Bondmate B, and receive the information. Interpreter B will then inflict pain on Victim B, which will be received by Bondmate A, and read by Interpreter A. This is the Lament Configuration, and comprises the basis on which the entire Painternet is founded. Each of these setups will be referred to as a Modem Pair from now on (though more colloquial and appropriate names may later arise).

This may seem like an imprecise art, but that's only because it's barbaric in this day and age to consider how it would work. In medieval times, or through methods such as acupuncture, this method of transmission via pain can be a precise science; this is all for another discussion, and I won't get much more in depth than that in the summary.

Continued in Part 4: Application

>>17300350
This, of course, makes for a wonderfully useful mode of communication. Messages can be shared between kingdoms instantly, reports can be made from battlefronts, and even entire oceans can be laughed at if you simply need to share word of something. You would, of course, need to take some time to initially set-up the infrastructure, but once it is in place, you can circumvent many of the problems that plagued messengers of the day. Modem Pairs work no matter the weather, and don't care if there's a hurricane or kraken in the sea.

There is one, glaring problem however: you cannot easily switch Modem Pairs. At some point, you will need to have a hand messenger.

Continued in Part 5: Enter the Skeleputer

>>17300409
Many moons ago, /tg/ invented a grand operation often called a skeleputer, or more properly, "Deep Rot." It comprised of a complex series of skeletons, programmed, if you will, by a necromancer, to interpret other skeletons, and effectively function as circuits and logic gates, forming the core of a computer. It is not limited to binary, trinary, or any real number; it can be as complex as needed. At its barest though, it is a computer, and that is enough for now. The original Deep Rot concept exists inside of a hastened, negative energy pocket dimension. In this usage though, it cannot, due to the limitations of PCP (at least if not trucking with the God of Pain for inter-dimensional communication - but this is not the subject of the summary, which assumes as little extra interference as possible).

The easiest method to circumvent the connection limitation is to centralize one side of all of the Modem Pairs. This creates, if you excuse the pun, the Backbone Router (which it will referred to as for the remainder of this summary). In this system, the Interpreters on one end are replaced with skeletons of the Backbone Router, who will interpret the Bondmate, and inflict pain on the Victim. Another skeleton would receive the signals from the Interpreter skeleton, and run/transmit the method to another skeleton in the manner that the skeleputer functions. To determine the destination of a given signal, each Modem Pair would be given a PP (Painternet Protocol) Address, which is effectively an IP Address in our modern internet, though it would no doubt have a different method of numbering than ours.

Continued in Part 6: Maintenance

>>17300476
A Backbone Router would necessarily have to be completely reliable. If one crashed, it would be tantamount to the entire internet crashing, with all the disastrous consequences it would imply. In the original Deep Rot concept, the base components were maintained by occasionally flooding the entire system with negative energy, regenerating the skeletons within and undoing any wear and tear damage to the bones. Unfortunately, Modem Pairs have living people in them, and they would not survive the process, and the time it would take to replace a bondmate may be unacceptable. Thus, the problem is twofold: Keeping the Modem Pairs alive, and keeping the skeletons from grinding themselves to dust.

For the latter problem, it is believed that the Dwarfs could likely forge some manner of metal sheath for the Backbone Router skeletons. This sheath would ideally be completely inert and not prone to rust. While this may lead to some heating as metal rubs on metal, keeping the Backbone Router cool is a trivial matter in any setting where the magic exists to animate the skeletons in the first place.

Regarding keeping the Modem Pairs alive, regularly refreshing healing spells among the victims would serve this purpose nicely. It not only removes the need for food, it also means any serious injury that may be accidentally inflicted is ALSO removed, and means that a victim could be utilized far longer than normal (Note: I am not well versed in magics, and am unsure if such a spell could be designed to simply refresh itself on-site for such a long time). Failing that, a mage could simply make rounds through the Modem Pairs and do regular upkeep.

Continued in Part 7: Practicality

This is now the official low-magic no-imps-required mail system of the Nine Hells in my campaign setting.

God damn it. I have a huge proposal for an effective way for undead computers to use pain radios, and the board is telling me that some part of the comment isn't allowed to be posted.

>>17300629

http://pastebin.com/k6ZrUFkG

Here is my proposal, although it looks like some anon has been thinking along similar lines, above.

I'd like to add that you could create a neat distributed computer by using small groups of pinned pixies spread all over the continent, manipulating each other's pain-pins.

>>17300564
This is a necessarily large system. Uncompressed, the network of tunnels, passages, and sheer density of skeletons in the Backbone Router would likely span entire dungeons. Likewise, Modem Pairs would require living arrangements, at least on the side of the End User. This would mean that only the wealthy would be able to support personal Modem Pairs, while the bulk of society would need to rely on a communal Modem Pair (like a telegraph office, as originally envisioned). In a large kingdom, space is unlikely to be an issue, and nothing further need be done. However, in a smaller kingdom, such magics as a permanent shrink spell on the entirety of the Backbone Router may be needed, and this may even need to extend to the End User side of the Modem Pairs.

There is also the issue of bandwidth. In a very basic Modem Pair, you can effectively only transmit a single "stream" of bits, with the transmission time depending on the ability of the Victim, Bondmate, and Interpreter to discern the signals. This would likely be fine for simple telegraph-style messages, but more complex information would require far more. While this bandwidth could simply be increased by adding more bonded pairs to the Modem Pair, that requires even more space and coordination. Depending on your local level of magic, periodic casting of time-compressing spells (or even a permanent one if possible) would vastly increase the transmission rate, and in turn, bandwidth, by increasing how rapidly signals can be transmitted between pairs. These same spells would likely be applied to the Backbone Router in the first place to facilitate its operations.

Continued in Part 8: Personal Skeleputing

>>17300658
I really like the idea of two cultists speaking to each other via zombie heads, but only if it's cheaper/more reliable/less likely to be intercepted than a regular pair of scrying orbs.

>>17293985

Computers made from the living dead and powered with eternal pain? Inherently Metal.

We'll take all of them.

>>17300680
Much of the following is credit to The Outlander.

Through a combination of the concepts discussed in part 7, Personal Skeleputing is within reach. The core of a desktop skeleputer would naturally be a simple Deep Rot. To simulate a screen, thousands of skeletons holding crystals could be arranged. They would hold up one of three crystals to simulate RGB images, with the potential for greater variety with customized, multi-limbed skeletons. Likewise, a keyboard could easily be made by putting these miniaturized skeletons within a keyboard and having them watch as keys get pressed. In combination with a miniaturized Modem Pair, you can put a skeleputer on your desk, and connect with any other skeleputer in the kingdom. It would be god awful expensive to make one, due to the sheer number of skeletons required, as well as the magic needed, but it is a goal to work towards.

That is a summary of the Painternet. It is, hopefully, simple enough to understand with the previous posts. From this base, it could be made far more complex and capable. Understand that the information here is only meant to form the basis of the Painternet, and does not represent its full potential.

With that, speculate away /tg/. I know you can do it.

-unnownrelic

>>17300692

It has some advantages: first, it requires no magical expertise to operate, and it doesn't need any materials more exotic than bodies. Both of these might be advantages over communication orbs, depending on the setting. It also provides some neat interactive possibilities, like receiving reports and issuing verbal commands to a remote computer.

An advantage for the cult (as opposed to the users) is that because it relies on the pain-server hubs to relay things, they control things. They can cut off any cultist they don't like, and they can monitor communications over the network.

>>17300629
Post it in sections, find the bit that can't be posted, screencap and post that bit in a picture.

anyone else think the god is actually secretly evil?

>>17300776

I tossed it onto pastebin instead: >>17300658

Here's a cap of the text, for your convenience.

The most difficult part of owning a Skeleputer with Painternet is preventing those unrestrained paladins from hacking your skeleputer to bits.

I personally use the Avira Mercenary company, their Anti-Paladin BlackGuard service has worked well for me in the past. Sure it costs some extra upkeep, but the equipment from defeated paladins usually covers it.

>>17300822
>secretly

>>17300837

The whole thing is vulnerable to holy/radiant/anti-undead shit, but even a non-necromantic version (e.g. mindwiped servants, rendered somehow immortal or very, very long-lived) would be vulnerable to anything that can dispel magic.

Possible solution: Use magical methods to engineer an otherwise-natural and long-lived creature whose nervous or muscular system can behave in the same programmatic fashion as the undead computer. Magic is used to engineer it, but the creature itself would not rely on ongoing magical effects to function. You could even engineer specialized organs to act as pain-network nodes into the beast.

>>17300890
This had been brought up, and is a potential future for the system. Unfortunately, as far as we know, the pain bond can only apply to humans and other humanoids. Presumably you could bond a human and an elf, or elf and dwarf, for example, but a beholder and a human? Probably not.

>>17300890

>create a long-lived creature able to endure tremendous pain

What if someone else already had this idea? It's not a monster, it's a massive processor.

Whoa, didn't expect the thread to grow this much after a grand total of zero responses in the first hour. OP here by the way.

We're actually on hold with the campaign (or rather, in between campaigns), since the GM is finishing his thesis. The next one is going to take place after a few years' time skip, and we'll be sure to try and utilize the abundance of great ideas /tg/ delivered.

The setting we're playing in is not exactly low-magic, but magic is slow and expensive. You can do amazing things with it and this is widely known, but it usually takes hours of preparation. So it's important and abundant in the setting, but not the main tool of a small group of adventurers.

Guys, guys, like...
I don't know if I get this right... but could a Demiplane of Information exist?
Then we can create a Golem of Information...

The chief issue with the system is that the pain receivers must be organic and alive. Given how long it takes for Deep Rot to calculate anythig, it'd be entirely possible for multiple pain receivers to 'wear out' in the process of calculating something.

>>17301196

Depends. If you're accelerating local processing enough (and a demiplane can time-compress considerably) you should be able to reasonably necropute something and then transmit the result from an extraplanar scrying portal. If the compression is high enough, you may very well be able to approach extremely high processing speeds in the "slower" mortal realm.

>>17301093
And such golem could be a great mean of storing data.
A hard drive, essentially.
Or a flash drive.

>>17300939
>immune to psionics

>>17300822
God of Pain, remember? Think the Cenobites from Hellraiser; "good" and "evil" aren't really terms that apply here.

>>17301196
>organic
Actually, maybe not. Can modrons feel pain?

So what problems do we have today?

>>17301315
>>17301196
Computation rooms are affected by a permanent and possibly multiplied haste spell. Biological input/output systems rooms would be, by necessity, in unhastened rooms (or even slowed if one can produce input and output at the required pace to satisfy throughput demands and constraints)

You could also engineer or retrieve a hardy organism that can cause noticeably varied output for a proportionate input rather than rely on humanoids.

Or just use elves and dwarves, they live much longer than most species.

>>17305208
Maybe we could use or create some sort of pain elemental?