In other words, we're fucked in every conceivable way, the only question is how hard we get screwed.

All of which is governed by factors well beyond our control.

>>17213008

This is accurate, but needs to be elaborated on.

For reasons posted in the last thread (Which I will repost here for posterity) we can't take the position. It ruins EVERYTHING to the degree that we might as well call the game here.

Flip side of that same coin: If we don't take it, we might shame our clan and/or branch, and get the boot. Inari's not the most rational person in the world, and she's a wild-card more than likely responsible for this development. Then there's the fact that the patriarch might not want us to lead as much as he DOSEN'T want our brother to lead. Which means that by refusing, on top of everything else, might be a death sentence for our bro.

Reasons NOT to accept include:
First, it completely fucks our brother.
Second, It locks us into the Hyuga line. This means no shot at being the Hokage, and CERTAINLY no Harem ending.
Third, fucking our brother would reveal the dark side to our movements and ambitions. The very thing all of our plans hinge on staying hidden.
Fourth, if the shit we're planning on pulling in the near future goes south, we're minimizing damage. Whole clan goes with if we fuck up as boss, but if it's just us? Better for everyone. Plus the glory would be that much greater.
Fifth, Leader is expected to stay and lead. Meaning we don't get to go hopping across country anymore.
Sixth, we don't want to screw our family like that. Our Older sister and brother are easily as strong as we are apiece, and they might well decide to off us.
Seventh, Inari. Not happening with her. This is worth a separate point of listing besides the Harem ending just because of how kwayzee she is.

>>17213051
Eighth, we have to marry Hyuga. Damn near everything we've been doing thus far has been with the distant goal of getting ourselves, and our children, the fuck out of that viper's nest.
Nineth, A position of power like that implies a bias. We can still pretend to be impartial where we are now, which is critical to our schemes.
Tenth, fuck the Hyuga. Fuck them, fuck their seals, fuck the houses, and everybody who thinks that shit's a good idea. You know what becoming the Hokage and having kids would do? Put Byakugan wielders firmly beyond the reach of all that clan bullshit. without that insane monopoly going for them, that clan falls the fuck apart within 3 generations. 4 tops.

Seriously. Even the fucking UCHIHA aren't that insane when it comes to guarding their secrets and power.

The Uchiha, where a power boost means murdering and cannibalizing your friends and family.

When you make the Uchiha look sane by comparison, you have fucked up.

And that's just ten reasons. I got a lot more. For now though, stall for time. Everything hinges on how much info we can dig up before we have to decide.

>>17213008
Welcome to real life: The simulation!

I think it's not really how MUCH we're fucked as it is in what way we get fucked. If we accept, our family hate us but we get our power and influence expanded greatly. If we refuse, we might get our family killed, and we lose this opportunity.

Also, IRC is shown to increase virility. You should use IRC more, even if it's just the Java client on the suptg site. Mmm.

So yeah. Fucked is pretty accurate. We're getting reamed hard unless we can pull a miracle out of our ass.

And even then, we run the risk of that coming back to bite us somehow.

Ironically, we might actually be fucked because we were doing so well.

>>17213064
And yes, we need to stall. I'm not really decided one way or the other what we should do yet, but I do think we need lots more information.

For a start, WHY does the patriarch not like Kumo? It can't be because he's from a low ranking Branch family, otherwise he wouldn't have dropped this bomb on us.

Captcha: Hero Bricklayers. Yeah, I'm a hero and currently I am squatting, laying bricks, That's correct.

>>17213065

With the exception of getting family members killed (maybe) the worst thing we could do is except. It ruins our chance at absolutely anything higher than that position, at the head of a family who's clutches we're trying to escape.

>>17213087

Possible alternatives: setting up our sister who might hate us. Sounds bad, yes, but works best in the middle distance, and hopefully won't matter in the end-game.

Having the Patriarch killed before he could fuck us and/or our brother. These are tricky and dangerous waters, and we should think carefully before going down that road. Though it would be deliciously ironic to be a Hyuga performing a political assassination to avoid promotion.

Thirdly, try and convince the Patriarch that we're of much greater value to the clan as a disposable/deniable asset.

So it seems that we will try to stall for time, and try to get out of this.
Should we talk to our father on how to get out of this predicament?

"Forgive me, I need time to think on this. After all, you will not die for some time and so my brother may marry your daughter without him becoming the Patriarch." Bow our heands and smile. Let our 4 Diplomacy just roll off of us.

For the next while, we focus on training with the Patriarch as much as we can, to learn everything about him and from him. After all, when he dies, we won't be able to learn from him.

And we need to plan how we're going to kill him. We can't do pressure points. Posion might be nice, as would an accident. We, however, can not let anyone know about this.

>>17214319
Training with the Patriarch? That's quite presumptuous, especially for someone who didn't immediately obey the Patriarch.

>>17215916
we could ask for some help. never hurts to ask

And I'm not entirely sure we should off the man. at least by ourselves. better to gte the blood one someone else's hands

As was stated before we need to understand why he chose us over anyone in the other higher houses than where we were born and we need to understand what his reservations about our brother are. I have a feeling he's less worried about him and more worried about Ran but that's just a baseless hunch.

There is also the possibility that this is a desperation play because he fears for his life once our brother becomes the heir as opposed to any worries about the clan's future.

Ask him why he's giving us the option instead of just comanding it to be so.
Then try and pry some more info about the situation from him.
Then ask for some time to consider it, even though I wouldn't be surprised if he denied us that. He may want this decided before the wedding.

>>17216140
>>17213087

He looks at you and explains, "Shingen, everyone can see you're a genius. You will lead the Clan with strength and honor. I do not want your brother for leadership because he's too weak and too attached to Ran. If Ran passes he will be broken and unable to lead properly. I need my successor to be strong." He explains and smiles, "I ask instead of demanding because I want a ruler who wishes to rule, rather than one who was forced into it. As for a delay, before Ran is married to Kumo, I need your answer. If I do not get it, I will terminate the wedding." He says simply.

>>17216209
By, "If I do not Get it" do you mean if you dont get an answer or if I don't say yes?

and surely there is someone in the higher houses more qualified? Or someone with experience in leading? The only squads I have ever led have been composed of my friends and immediate family, not those I have never met.

And would they even agree to follow me? I can't see many in the upper houses willing to let me live long enough to even glance over my shoulder for daggers.

>>17216247
Pretty sure he means if he doesn't get a favorable answer. Putting pressure on us to decide quickly.

>>17216292
so basically it's "Say Yes or your brother gets his happiness crushed"?

>>17216209
"My Lord, should my brother break, me and my father will fix him. We always did, we will always do.
I do not wish to rule people, desires and wishes of which i do not know. I am rarely here and somewhat inferior to them.
Also. should I become a ruler, who will speak on behalf of our clan to other clans? Some clans believe me, and a new negotiator might be harmful to our relationships. Hard times have come, and only a person who sees all of the situation can help us.
Moreover, my brother is famous in our family and surely will get support, than me.
That is my point, my Lord."

>>17216209
"My Lord, do you think that canceling my brothers wedding is a wise move?
People need to feel joy, they have to see that our clan can not only fight and bring grief to others, but also know how to live themselves, and know how to reward its members.
Also, do you really think that if my brother couldn't become the leader I would surely become one? If you will cancel his wedding, you will destroy him as a ruler, destroy him as a man, and will get rid of a potential ruler, the only one you have."

>>17216324
Seems like. That won't do. It won't do 't'all. We accept with conditions.
1. We are allowed to spend the remaining week with our family as a family.
2. We will make sure that our father is aware of the situation before we cut ties.
3. We will keep this info close to our vest so as not to put a damper on our brother's wedding.

Then if he accepts:
1. We contact Inari in whatever way we can, she has a body double stalking us somewhere nearby so it should be doable.
2. We tell her the situation, and request she kill the Patriarch for pulling this shit and so that we don't get stuck in his position.
3. We make it clear that killing our brother is unacceptable in every way.

>>17216384

"Ran can rule on her own." He says simply.
>>17216336

"A ruler doesn't need acceptance in a Clan where he can torture all dissenters." The man says with a gentle smile.

My lord, I will be honest. I don't want this position. at all. If you try to force me into it, you can be damned sure it won't turn out well.

My brother is one of the few people I actually trust, within this clan and outside of it. That means I place a high value on his well being. anull the marriage and you will crush him, both emotionally and psychologically. And then, one of your primary choices for this position has a good reason to see you dead, and commit the deed himself.

I will not be bullied into this. Period.

...wait, I think the old man is playing his own game here. He knows we want our brother to be happy. he knows we don't want to rule at all. Making us his heir encourages us to keep him alive as long as possible, and by extension keep ourselves from becoming the leader.


clever git.

>>17216410
>"A ruler doesn't need acceptance in a Clan where he can torture all dissenters." The man says with a gentle smile.


....is going missing nin an option still? Does this Fuck seriously think we would stoop that low?

Shit I just realized something. If we accept we will have our seal protected and then learn the seal commands for others in the clan. That's huge. It's been one of our biggest fears, but if we're adopted and then get trained properly we'll not have to worry about it in the future. Then after learning that we can step down after the Patriarch dies and leave rule to our brother. We'll be treated like shit and there will be attempts on our life but we'll get a huge boon for the risk.

>>17216457

The thing is the Hyuuga do this on a regular basis.

He wants a genius? Why not our sister???

I am somewhat tempted to say that we should give a "The Reason you all suck" speech

How about a plam:
1. Agree.
2. Normally spend the wedding party.
3. Ask for one favor: Go on a month travel.
4. Find Inari.
5. Ask her to make a realistic corpse of Shingen (without killing us)
6. We "died", our brother is the ruler.
7. Never return again.
8. Leave with a smile.

>>17216491
I think he'd be able to see through that to be honest.

>>17216513
Well, that all depends on Inari. Also, do we have other, technically alive (not Inari) missing-nin to pose as a killer? Because if there is a killer it is much more believable

>>17216543
Thing is though, I am guessing the old bastard will want an autopsy done. that will reveal that the corpse isn't us.

>>17216543
Or, we could that the other way:
1.Pose as a stupid and ignorant brat-ruler, making stupid decisions and all that.

2.Go to Hoshirama/Tobirama/Aburame chick/Chikamatsu/Momoji/Momoji's dad.

3.Ask for a duel. It means that we talk with them about a fake deadly duel, of course only we two know about that.

4.We are "killed" during OFFICIAL duel.

5.Since the duel was official (an offensice gesture or remark as a cause), our killers couldn't be called guilty - they were protecting their honor.

6.No Clan conflict, because that clan just killed an asshole ruler.

>>17216558
Well, we can only count on Inari's skill. Or "corpse" "accidental" destruction during the autopsy.

I think we ought to tell both Bro and Dad about this. I doubt either will be pleased.

I think this song is going through shingen's head atm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16XxpaHWmlo

We don't really have a choice. Accept, get to scheming ASAP. Alert our family to the situation.

If all else fails, we can abdicate when the bastard dies.

see if we can't request some time between the wedding and the announcement. To put some affairs in order, sort out and redraw our plans, concoct a method of not getting assasinated, etc.


Obviously this will be used to plot his assasination.

>>17216763
I think the patriarch wants to do this before the wedding, or may even NEED to. That's the reason for the deadline.

This affects our brother, a lot. If we accept, we take his place at the front of the queue. If we refuse, his wedding doesn't happen. I think we might have to talk to him, if not then we definitely need dad's advice.

>>17216801
So, tell him we need to discuss it with our family, get bro and pop together in a private location and break the news

"alright, fine you bastard. You win. I'll talk to my father about it.

But you can damn well garuntee I am doing this under protest, and for the record: I hate your guts"

>>17216842
Not the thing to say. He wants us to do it willingly, or not at all.

Jesus christ OP, you're a bastard. My congratulations.

>>17216859
"For the record, I lost some respect for you for forcing me into this situation. But I'll talk to my father. possibly my brother as well."

sound better?

>>17216869
You might misunderstand, I'm not saying you're wrong, you're absolutely right. I'm saying that it's only going to piss him off.

Pretty much anything we say other than an outright "Yes, I want to do this" is going to, at the very best, annoy him. I think we might be able to stall him for a few hours using our diplomacy stat, but that's about it.

We just need to NOT show our true emotions right now, something that, if I remember the setting right, the Hyuuga prize as a virtue.We need to pokerface here, hostility is NOT going to help us.

>>17216919
so just ask him for some time to consult our immediate family, vent our frustration then?

>>17216801
That'll be a fun conversation.

"So, turns out the leader of this fucked up clan's a massive Asshole. Like Holy Shit."

God, this is fucked up. The only reason he wants us to lead is because we're so damn good.

Which we've been lieing about.

Well, let's try this one out: "It seems to me that everything I've accomplished for the clan was because of my social placement. As a member of the eighth house I'm both expendable and a deniable asset. It's what I'm best suited for. Within the strictures of the Clan, it's simply where I belong. I understand your desire to leave the Clan in good hands, your obligated to the same way we all are to help the clan. If you order me to, I can hardly refuse. If you're asking me to instead of telling me, that can only mean you value my input and respect my opinions. Forgive me, but I can't see why it would be necessary to punish and humiliate my brother and your daughter because I'm unsuited for the task."

>>17216935
Yeah, vent to the people we trust. This is a really, really bad situation to be in, we need to talk to someone about it. Specifically, we need to talk to Dad and Kumo (maybe, see what dad thinks first, he'll know Kumo's mind better than we do).

>>17216961
The problem is, we're not lying. We CAN lead people, we CAN manipulate them, we ooze charisma from every pore.

We've strengthened ties with key allies, we've recruited practically permanent companions from random strangers, forged new bonds that benefit the clan and the country as a whole (Wind guy we saved), we generally have good relationships wherever we go. We're fucking awesome at our clan techniques and push the boundaries practically every time we do something. These are choices that WE made, and while no one is aware of our biggest secret (Inari), it's not like we wouldn't be able to do the role.

>>17217143

Could we take the role, then abdicate once our turn comes?

>>17217257
I am with this. The bastard probably has a plan for it though.

>>17217257
>>17217318
So, how about this plan
>>17216592
Or this plan.
>>17216491

Personally, I think that we should talk this over with our father and brother, without agreeing yet. We still have time

Guys. I think I got him.

He wants to cancel the wedding not because he is just an asshole.

He is a very smart asshole.

He thought that Kumomaru was only candidate for the Clan's leadership.

Now he found another candidate.

And to bind that candidate to the clan, he wants to use both adoption and marriage.

You understand what I mean?

Hey, where is the copypasta guy?
This thread doesn't feel right without him.

I think the general consensus is talke to Pop and Bro, get back to THAT BASTARD.

Note: Clan leader shall henceforth be called THAT BASTARD in all caps

>>17217405
I guess he is right. Except bastard part. He has a kind of plan from which he will benefit, that doesn't make him bad. Just Chaotic or Neutral.

I cast summon-op noJutsu!

>>17217405
It shall be so. I have to go to bed, I'll leave you all to the thread. I hope you guys don't do something REALLY stupid. Like getting the help some kind of ASSASSIN with experience in killing Hyuuga main house members. That would be tragic.

>>17217501
not sure if sarcastic......

>>17217501

>So, you would kill him.
>Yeah.
>And nobody else.
>Ugh, yeah.
>And nobody else.
>Okay, okay, I got it.
>So, nobody else.
>Yes.
>By the way, which clan are you from?
>Oh, completely forgot about that! I am Uchiha.
>Don't want to tell me anything else, in case everything will go wrong?
>Well, I guess I could ask you a favor.
>Go ahead.
>I need a letter delivered.
>I am alright with this. Who is the reciever?
>You see, I have a younger sister, Inari is her name. She is such a cute girl so...
>I am out of here.

>>17217676
I think it's more like:

>So, my dear, you came to me?
>Yes, Inari, I desperately need your help.
>Well, I would do anything for my dear Shingen!
>That means yes?
>Only if ten thousands of my needles can fit into you. Let's make it a game.
>Hyuuga's tears of manliness.

>>17217705
>Uh, Inari I need a
Hail of needles
>Oh hi, Shingen dear!
>Yeah, I uh, I need you to kill someone for me
>One second, you don't look enough like a pincoushin
>Dammit, didn't we agree to stop doing that fetish?

>>17216664
I believe it alternates between that and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLD-7bCtME

>>17217720
>Fetish
>Needles
>Nurses
>Inari

Fuck you forchong, you fucked me up

I curse our white knighting at this. Well, if we can't wait then we agree. Go to father, thell him ourselves, and carefully tell Ran in passing about this as quitely as we can. Direct her rage to her old man.

>>17217912
That's not white-knightnig. We just don't need this position. Ruining our relationships with Father and Brother is pointless too.

>>17217912
Its not white knighting if accepting denies us the Harem ending

>>17217970
Fuck.
If you want your harem ending, why don't you make your own Five Nations thread?
OP worked it out, you can too, if you still have brains.
OP said - no harem ending. I can't say I am happy with his decision, but the rules are the rules.

>>17218009

He reversed that ruling.

He admitted it was possible.

>>17218016
>>17218009
why don't we calm down before we get into an argument. or better yet, take the argument to the IRC

>>17218026
Sorry, no conflict here, just a gentle spoilersdon'tworkontgNOT SO GENTLEwhyspoilersdon'tworkontg/
>>17218016
I need proof of this.

>>17218092

not 17217970 or 17218016

but this one?

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17198013/#17212604

>>17218114
Got your point. Thank you.

>>17218114

I like how the entire reasoning behind that argument was 'we really have no idea what we're doing, and we're crazy enough to think this is a good idea'.

It also greatly amuses me that we're shooting for a harem ending and ultimate power for non-sexual selfless reasons. Mostly.

>>17217705
>>17217720
>>17217806

At one point, someone said our summon should be hedgehogs, because we spend so much time covered in fucking spikes.

>>17218381
....well, if we made them Giant hedgehogs and shot them at the enemy

>>17217405
>>17216869

"Certainly, I would expect nothing less than informing your family of the situation." he says and nods, the door opening for you as he leans back slightly, "Just remember, before the vows are exchanged." he says and ushers you out.

Your Father and Kumo are sitting together in the Branch's central room, discussing various things about the wedding and Kumo's success and how proud Father is of him. As he sees you return Father bids you closer and pulls a cushion up for you to sit with the two of them. There's a central table that has a few cups of tea and your brother is busy adjusting his short black hair as he thinks about the impending wedding. "Is something on your mind, Shingen?" Your Father asks with a kind smile.

>>17218388
Hooo boy.

Well.... THATBA- I mean the old man want to bump me up to first branch and make me his heir

>>17218388

"Yes. Do you know of somewhere private I can speak with the two of you?"

>>17218417
>>17218420

Yeah, let's wait until we're not surrounded by prying eyes.

>>17218417
>>17218420

"Your siblings are out for the night doing some last minute work. This is as private a place in the compound as any. What's wrong?" Father asks, worry creasing his brow as Kumo looks equally concerned for you.

>>17218430
Recount our conversation with THAT BASTARD, mention the penalty for not saying yes

>>17218388
Let's go somewhere father. And you Kumo too! I want to discuss your wedding!
How about going to the woods for some fresh air?
I think with all that party going around we need some private talk.

>>17218430
You see, We got ourselves in a kind of situation...
Recite speech with the old man
Father, I need your help.

>>17218430
I'd prefer somewhere away from the compund but basically, the old man want to adopt me as his heir. if I say no, the wedding is off.

>>17218430
>>17218388

"The Patriarch has expressed a desire to adopt me into the main branch, effectively making me the heir. He want's to do this because after the marriage Kumo would be next in line, and for some reason he's convinced he wouldn't make a good leader. To the point where he said he'd call off the wedding if I refused."

Deep breath. "What he's unaware of is the fact that I would make a terrible leader, for many reasons. Not the least of which is that if I were in a predictable a place as the Patriarch I'd be dead within a week, Kumo would then still be next in line, and the whole point to me joining the main branch goes out the window. So now he's put me in the position of having to choose between crushing my brother's dreams and potentially destroying our Clan. As well as the fact that the odds are good I'm going to die either way. I... I couldn't even think about making a choice like this without consulting you two."

It should be obvious that telling them this is costing us something personal.

>>17218457
>>17218490
>>17218504

Father leans back and runs his fingers through his hair, "Well, I don't think you have much of a choice, Shingen. You have to say yes." He says and sighs, "I know, this is extremely hard to decide. I will do whatever I can to shield you and help you out, even if you aren't my son anymore, I will always be your Father." He said with a smile as Kumo sighed, "I thought the Patriarch trusted me, and liked me..." He said, dejectedly.

>>17218504
I am waiting for your comments, father, Kumo

>>17218521
Well, Father, why so grim? I still have a plan...
The easiest way to fool Death is to die. That's what I am going to do.

>>17218521
I was afraid that would be the best course of action.


Anyone care to take a bet on how long before the first assassination attempt?

> Kumo sighed, "I thought the Patriarch trusted me, and liked me..."

On the bright side, you only have a target about half the size of mine on your back. and I think he does trust you, hell he's letting you marry his daughter, but he thinks that your talents lean more towards warrior than leader.

>>17218521
Brother, that doesn't mean that he doesn't believe in you.
I believe that your accomplishments as a warrior are too great too lose them.

>>17218535
>>17218550

Kumo nods, "Thank you for your kindness, Shingen." He says and your Father nods, "Yes, that's very probable. I'll tell you what, Shingen, think of something, i know you always do, but for now, let's all get some rest, we can put the plan in action tomorrow, ok?" He suggested and rose, Kumo rising with him.

>>17218521
Father, I deeply appreciate your love, but now, I would like you to concentrate on Kumo.
I believe, that he could be in more danger than I am.
If I lose my reputation, that is OK - I am just a diplomat.
But he - a husband, a warrior and someday a father - he is in much more dire situation

>>17218521

"The problems with saying yes are the facts that I have no value to the clan outside my current position as a Deniable asset. This has meant stepping on toes, and access to more than a dozen secrets worth more than the lives of our entire family. Then there's the fact that I'll die before the years out, but that bothers me less than it probably should."

>"I thought the Patriarch trusted me, and liked me..."

"He... he thinks that you're too close to Ran. That if something were to happen to her... I'm sorry. For what it's worth, I think he's wrong. At the very least I know I would be in a much worse position to rule, if that means anything to you."

>>17218584
As you wish, father, but I think that we must hurry - time is not on our side.

>>17218584
After finishing the talk, turn on our byakugan - see if anybody is spying on us.

Alright, the plan is this. Go out, right now, before the wedding.

Say you're getting fresh air.

See if we can find Inari. Tell her we need to fake our death in about three days, could she get her hands on a corpse and doctor it up? We're going to burn it afterwards, so it doesn't have to be great.

Then, go to accept the Patriarch offer. Tell him that while you disagree with him, that you would do anything for your brother. Leave the implication that he's a complete asshole present but unsaid. After the wedding we'll move on to the next part.

>>17218639
>>17218617
>>17218658

Any attempts to leave, however, are subtly subverted by several Second Branch members appearing around you and saying, "The Patriarch has ordered us to make sure that you are safe, we aren't to leave you at any moment once you've left the compound." They insist as their Byakugan are on and trained squarely on you.

So do we fake death or do we just plan to abdicate when the time comes? Or hell, is there any way we could govern while still hanging out with our friends and gals?

>>17218672
Shit.

What if we head to the tree, left momoji a note, and another note to pass to Inari if possible that explains our current situation?

>>17218734

The Land of Grass is about a 4 hour trip. By the time you arrive in the morning it will be daybreak.

Plus you can be sure that they'll be telling the Patriarch about where you went and what you were up to.

Damn.

Might as well tell THAT BASTARD the news, mentally record the faces of the bodyguards and put them on the do not trust ever list

>>17218704

>Or hell, is there any way we could govern while still hanging out with our friends and gals?

Maybe. The problem is it ruins any chance of our further goals that we might as well end the quest right now.

>So do we fake death or do we just plan to abdicate when the time comes?

If we leave, they'll follow. Unless they think we're dead, this won't work. So yeah, faking our death seems to be our only option at this point.

>>17218754

>Tell him that while you disagree with him, that you would do anything for your brother. Leave the implication that he's a complete asshole present but unsaid. After the wedding we'll move on to the next part.

Can we Bluff our way through the guards? That's what diplomacy is needed after all.
"Please, I have a meeting with Senjuu negotiator on the case of Senjuu-Aburame clans. All of the negotiations have to be performed by me and me only, with Jaco, who will serve as mhy bodyguard.

>>17218843
"No." The head guard simply informs you, "The Patriarch has informed us that its our lives if we do not fulfill his demands. This is non-negotiable." She says simply and the other men agree.

Maybe we can SNEAK out of the camp?
Come on guys, we are NINJAS.
With Chakra dimming. And ninjutsu.
Let's start a ruckus in one part of the camp and flee.

>>17218843

Bad idea. They'll just follow us anyway, and lieing about something like that is stupid.

Waaaait a bit.
First, let's take something precious from or father or brother.
Then, Let's start a fire and set off some explosive tags.
While there is commotion, flee.
Probably we will be declared missing-nin then, but we need to take care of bigger problems.

>>17218873
>>17218843
>>17218865

Guys.

GUYS.

At this point, trying to escape is pointless and counter productive.

Let's just go talk to the guy like >>17218833

Said, and leave or plans of escape for the moment.

>>17218894

No. We need to wait until a slightly more opportune time.

Pssst, guys.

OP is rail-roading us.

Just in case: obvious troll. We are not being smart enough to get out of this situation.

>>17218899

leave OUR rather.

Yes, seriously, how about just having a second talk with Houses' Leader. Just as >>17218833 said

>>17218915

>OP is rail-roading us.

Well DUH.

We really need to think about our next step, and leaving right now, BEFORE we tell the guy we accept and the wedding happens, defeats the point of accepting.

Which we need to do. We can refuse, but that fucks everything up.

>>17218865
How much time left until the day of wedding?

>>17218973
It's 10 PM. The wedding is tomorrow at 7 PM.

>>17218984
Well then, I think most of us agree to try to talk to House Leader.

>>17218984

Hmmm... I would suggest getting the gear bu-

Son of a Bitch. Remember the Mask/Cloak/Swords from the last thread? The Batman thing? That's how we keep moving after our 'death'. With a SECRET IDENTITY.

Seriously though, we need Inari's help to execute this faked death, and we can't set that up now.

We accept the deal as outlined by >>17218833

And get ready for the wedding. This will involve getting a tailor to make formal-wear for Jako.

>>17219027

>Son of a Bitch. Remember the Mask/Cloak/Swords from the last thread? The Batman thing? That's how we keep moving after our 'death'. With a SECRET IDENTITY.

Just so we're clear, our plan is to:
-Get Crazy Girlfriend to help us fake our death
-Batman
-????
-Profit.

Not that I disagree, but still.

>>17219027
I believe this things are very rare in this setting. Actually, I am not sure if they even exist YET. Good idea though. Taking a second identity could be a good move.

>>17219026
>>17219027

You settle up to sleep for the night and fall deeply into a slumber.

However, the feeling of a body against yours in the night makes you wake up with a start. The paralysis in your body is all too familiar as Inari looks into your eyes and smiles, laying beside you. "Hello Shingen dear. One of my Widows told me that you were missing me very badly." She says with a smile as she puts her hand on your cheek, "What's got you all hot and bothered? Something wrong with your little pale-eyes club?"

>>17219051
Actually, after taking second identity, we could go and research a little bit of lighting techiques, to change our style of fighting a little bit. So our opponents could say that they don't remember Shingen fighting like this. Also, we could hide in Chikimatsu's place and run some misions for him.

>>17219102
"Inari... You don't even know how I missed you.
But, I am afraid I am going to cause some trouble to you.
If you won't help me, I will get under home arrest. For the rest of my life and afterlife"

>>17219102
"Well, well, I am no good at being a ninja, am I?
To let someone to get to me in my sleep.
Or is it a dream?"

>>17219149
>>17219127

"No dream I assure you." She says and begins playing with the tip of the senbon that's in your clavicle. "Anyway, let me guess....from what's going on around here, you want me to kill someone, for some reason." She says, her face unreadable.

>>17219102

"Well. This is convenient. I was trying to figure out how to sneak out to get a hold of you, but this saves me a lot of trouble."

Deep breath.

"I need you to help me fake my death, in about three days. It has to be convincing enough to fool the Byakugan, look like somebody with a personal vendetta against me, and not leave me permanently crippled. Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to have to happen right under the eyes of multiple Hyuga guards."

>>17219162
"Exactly Inari, it seems you got into my thoughts as well.
The lucky one will be... Me"

>>17219163
>>17219162

"So, you're half right. I need to drop off the radar, long enough to lock my brother into the succession so that he'll get control of the Hyuga clan, and not me."

Guys, listen.

We go missing-nin
Jako goes missing-nin
Fatguy goes missing-nin

We all become superninjas

>>17219181
>>17219177
>>17219163

"It seems that due to somebody killing off members of the main branch, I've been fast-tracked to the top. I cannot put into words how bad that scenario is long term, for anybody. Any hope of any of my plans working out rely entirely on me 'dead' in about three days."

>>17219177
>>17219181
>>17219163

"Oh, that's not too hard. I'm pretty good at it, if I may say so myself." She says and smiles, "But I'm not sure I WANT Shingen Hyuuga to drop off the grid. Everyone's so enamored with your success..." She muses and pulls out a spiny handful of senbon with her gentlest smile, "How about I just give them a reason to make your presence needed elsewhere?"

>>17219209

"No no, dead and gone is really the only option at this point. Followed closely by a proxy war, since I can't do anything the way I originally planned."

>>17219209
"Sorry Inari, not this time - I don't want to endanger you, exceptionally you. Moreover, Just delaying the troubles is not a goo decision.
I want to ask you, Inari: Do you love me so much, so you could to kill me?

>>17219253
MYGODDERPYGRAMMAR
me fail

>>17219242
>>17219253

She shakes her head, "Sorry, Shingen, I won't do that." She says and stands up from the bed as she looks out the window, "It's too early to end your story."

>>17219273
"Ending? Oh no Inari, ending is not an option: I still have some things to do, and some people to play with. And some decisions to make and some choices to make...
Then, how about throwing a giant show?
"Pointy White-eyed Massacre" they will call it later..."

>>17219324
>Coming to brothers wedding
>Killing everybody
>Itachi will be not the first one to perform such a feat.

Did you REALLY think about it?

>>17219273

"It's not an end. Some things can only be done from the shadows, and if they know I'm disappearing it won't work."

Give her a slightly accusing look.

"What I'm planning is bigger than all of us, and now that Shingen can't do it someone else will have to. I can't be the head of the Hyuga clan, nothing about my scheme work if I go that route. Everything, EVERYTHING hinges on this." Sound hurt. I don't think it's fake. "Despite everything, I trust you. Please. I need you. I could try to do it on my own, but I'll probably mess it up and then I'll have half the Ninjas of the Fire nation after my head."

>>17219353
>>17219324

If this really is what it sounds like, it's a terrible idea we need to disregard right now.

>>17219273
"Well then, how about a romantic voyage: me and you only?
Do you know about all those tales of bride kidnapping?
We will go on a sea trip. Oh, wait! That lake that we visited, it will be even better. Just don't forget your mask."

>>17219363

She shakes her head, "Shingen, darling, you're a hero. The world needs their hero to stand out in the light." She says and smiles, sitting down opposite you before she asks, "If you're in the shadows, who will save the shinobi world like you saved me?" She asks and strokes your hair, "No....I won't let you die for nothing. Die for something, if you must die." She says and smiles, "You are a genius, Shingen, you can overcome this yourself."

>>17219377
"That was fun." She admitted and laughed, "But you have business here."

>>17219377

No, that's dumb.

Our only hope is getting her to go along with our real plan.

>>17219375
Yeah, because just TECHNICALLY we will not be able to kill so many Hyuugas alone.

>>17219396
Well then, I enjoyed talking to you - it is such a beautiful night today...
Any last words, Inari? I will not return after tomorrow."

>>17219396
"I believe, that this wonderful night is coming to its end, then.
Inari, can you help me at least somehow, not including causing ruckus somewhere far away? I am afraid you won't see Shingen Hyuuga, if I will fail"

>>17219396

>She shakes her head, "Shingen, darling, you're a hero. The world needs their hero to stand out in the light." She says and smiles, sitting down opposite you before she asks, "If you're in the shadows, who will save the shinobi world like you saved me?" She asks and strokes your hair, "No....I won't let you die for nothing. Die for something, if you must die." She says and smiles, "You are a genius, Shingen, you can overcome this yourself."

"If you really think any of this is about me, I'm honestly not sure to tell you. My most wildly optimistic plans place me as most likely dead by the time my plans come to fruition. The point isn't to be a hero, to be an Icon. It never was. That's not who I am, and is not someone I'll ever be at this rate. If I save the day, it has to be my way. And currently, everyone i thought I could trust seems to be hell bent on either killing me or destroying everything I've worked for."

"I have to disappear. Circumstance has made it completely necessary. I was hoping I could get your help, but if you won't so be it. I'll have to figure it out on my own if your so hell bent on stopping me."

Guys, something is TERRIBLY wrong.

INARI has gone SENTIMENTAL.

And not poked us with more than two senbons during the whole talk.

>>17219419
>>17219435
>>17219440

"Without your help, I can't see how this ends in anything other than my immediate death. For real. I'm not changing a plan I'm staking everything on for some vaguely defined scheme you refuse to share any details of."

>>17219396
"I promise you - Shingen Hyuuga will die, and will die soon.
With your help or without it."

>>17219396
Okay, do you have any other suggestions, what should I do? I am asking just in case."
And add.
"You didn't become stronger at all, my dear girl."

>>17219460

Yeah, I spotted that too. Sadly, we need results and something tells me that coddling her isn't going to help.

"Inari, something's bothering you. I can tell. I want to help you, to trust you, to believe in you. But you never let me in. You know I have nothing to hide from you, why are you hiding from me?"

You guys do realize if we don't live up to Inari's expectations of being a hero she will kill us right? She is not mentally stable and has dedicated the last three hellish years of her life to making it so we are in a position to do some good.

We're still specced out ok for direct control if we have to. For now though let's try and take advantage of this situation. We're being pushed into a harsh position but it does have its benefits. After we're bumped to main house it's not like we'll have to start ruling right away, as the patriarch probably hopes to live for quite some time. We may even convince him to let us wander as we have been, seeing as that decreases the likeliness of us killing him in his sleep.

>>17219435
>>17219419
>>17219440

>"I have to disappear. Circumstance has made it completely necessary. I was hoping I could get your help, but if you won't so be it. I'll have to figure it out on my own if your so hell bent on stopping me."

She goes rigid at those words and the colour drains from her face as she kneels beside you. "You aren't in much of a position to make demands, Hyuuga." She says in a hiss as she scratches a line across your jugular, "You are a hero. This newfound desire to play from the shadows isn't you. You're a bright light of heroism. And if you refuse to accept that because of some adolescent dream of being a master in the shadows..." she trails off ominously and then proceeds to cover your body with needles, locking you down, even your voice. "I'll have to remind everyone how heroic Shingen Hyuuga is."

>>17219507
"Hiding from you? I'm not hiding at all. I'm just very busy, there's a lot of plans that hinge on me being certain places at certain times, Shingen honey, but they're all for you. I love you, remember?"

>>17219515

With guards to act as his personnel spies. Who we will never escape from.

If I were to carve FUCK THIS CLAN, all caps into the moon, to be visible on earth to the naked eye, it would not express dismay strongly enough.

>>17219528

>Shingen honey, but they're all for you. I love you, remember?

She isn't really acting like it.

I have about a million responses to this, but seeing as how now we can't TALK it's sort of hard to respond to all this.

Okay guys, we neet to summarize it all:

Apparently, we are used by someone (maybe even Inari) as a celebrity, a hero, and our puppeteer doesn't want us to disappear.
And, we seem to be involved in some kind of plan, that is going behind our backs. In this case, we are not chess masters at all - minions at best.
Calling for Inari (Or did WE call for her) was a bad idea, because now she will try to highlight us, wherever we go.

>>17219579
What is my suggestion:

Agree with her, for now.
But we should stay awake and make some kind of plan, to
Either:
Dispensary while destroying the wedding
or
Be someone's puppet for even longer time.

Personally, I would like to keep our family safe and sound,
but as it seems we will need to puul some awesome prank
to get out of this mess.

>>17219625

Disappear, not dispensary. Stupid T9

>>17219528

>You are a hero. This newfound desire to play from the shadows isn't you. You're a bright light of heroism. And if you refuse to accept that because of some adolescent dream of being a master in the shadows..."

Apparently the only response we can formulate is 'grgle'. It should sound indignant though.

Assuming we CAN respond "Newfound desire? I'm a Ninja. That's literally my job. And I'm a Hyuga, where if you can't master double-talk and manipulation shortly after birth you're murdered in your crib to try and gain political advantage. the point isn't hiding, the point is my plans succeeding. Being a public, heroic figure is currently causing everything to go up in flames. I'm going to have to abandon that approach in the short term, because I can't lead the Hyuga. if you can't understand my motives for wanting to operate discreetly, then you're missing the point of why I'm doing this in the first place. Righting wrongs, saving the damsel in distress, protecting those i care about. noble goals, that the heroic persona I've been projecting has been failing at. Heroism comes in more variety than prancing about drawing attention to all your failures."

>>17219579
Not quite. We are a celebrity because of our actions amongst the Senju (and 'killing' the Hyuga hunter).

Inari has been setting us up for this stuff this whole time, there's probably a lot more that's going to fall into our lap, and it'll likely be covered in blood and senbons.

The Patriarch is using us because having us as the next head gives him a greater chance of living to see his next decade. Every house above 8 will be offended by the mere notion of us being in charge, thus all efforts will be on getting rid of us before they get rid of him. Additionally we travel -a lot- so we're more likely to be out and about and less likely to plot killing him to get his position of power early.

We're still forging the ties and bonds necessary to be a chess master. That's why being selected as ambassador was such a good thing, it gave us room to find more allies. If we want to be the chess master we'll need to take the play the patriarch made and play it to our favor.

>>17219579

All about the fucking choo-choo train.

New goal: Find out who been fucking with us and (if it isn't inari) murder them.

So, to disappear we need to:
A. Go missing-nin
B. Fake our death
C. Just get out of the camp.

A and B are the hardest choices: they are nearly impossible to perform and quite drastic.
C is unlikely too, but we have to choose somebody.

Actually, I was thinking abou getting some help from Aburame clan and others clans.
When we were healed by our Aburame friend, she could leave some bugs inside us Just to keep track of us
or for spying purposes.

I think, that we need to contact other clan's get some help from them, and get out of this mess.

>>17219579
And they say Hyuugas, if not shinobi in general, excel at being subtle.

>>17219685
>>17219705
>>17219667
>>17219563

She looks down at you and smiles, taking a dainty seat next to you as she strokes your hair and runs her fingers over your Mark, "Shingen, I wanted you to overcome this hurdle by yourself. However, from what I gather, you won't be able to. You're caught between a rock and a hard place. I can get you out of it." She pauses and smiles sweetly at you, "I can allow you to escape your Clan and still remain in the shadows. I can break the Curse Mark." She removes the senbon which stopped you from speaking.

>>17219685
So, you suggest to become the Leader and see what will happen next?
A good plan, though not very strategic.
If the Leader is so afraid for his life, we should take it from him
and make our brother the next leader. Thus, he won't fuck with us anymore, we won't rule our clan, and brothers wedding will go happy.

Can someone explain exactly which of our sweeping long term plans are being thrown under the bus by us becoming next in line to be patriarch? The sudden urge to become a missing nin due to a political shift seems out of character for someone with as much ambition as Shingen. We've been working in the shadows because that's the only place we've been able to get things done. That doesn't mean we can't get things done out in the open now that we can leverage some leeway to pursue our goals more directly.

>>17219745
Great, she thought of another plan.
"No Inari, thank you. I don't need your help anymore, you can go"

>>17219705

>Aburame clan

The hell did you think i meant by Proxy War? Haruko, Momoji, Honda, Jako, etc. We have a lot of allies who would be willing to help us.

>Fake our death

This is the only real option.

>>17219667
>>17219685
>>17219702
>>17219705
>>17219625
>>17219634
>>17219579

Our plan then is to draw whoever is manipulating us into the open somehow (hopefully it isn't Inari) and deal with that.

The plan is three steps:
1: Fake death.
2: Abuse the shit out of our allies.
3 DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!

The question is where to go from here. We know our end goal is Hokage, with a possible Harem ending sub-goal.

>>17219763
That's a decent plan. As first act as patriarch, Shingen steps down as patriarch. His brother automatically becomes the new leader. No muss, no fuss.

>>17219774
1.We won't be able to travel because look 2
2.Our life will be under constant danger, because we are from 8th house and there are many more people who want this place
While I can't say it completely fucks with our plans, it just creates unnecessary obstacles.

>>17219774
Shingen speaking to his uncle seemed to strike a chord with him: for Shingen to find true purpose and happiness, he has to get the hell out from beneath the Hyuuga umbrella. This power play runs directly opposite to that goal, at least immediately.

That's the issue.

>>17219745

Epic Silence.

"You... you can do that?"

Did we get anything from >>17219667

Across? She seems strangely accommodating suddenly. She was violently opposed to us doing the shadowy faking of our own deaths, and now she want to give us more than we dreamed possible.

>>17219814
AAnd meanwhile writing a death sentence for previous Leader.
He said himself that we can punish and humiliate whoever we want.
Actually, we probably could research our Clan's seals, while somebody cuts off his head.

>>17219857
I don't think we should trust Inari anymore.
Her strange behavior and things said, make her a person who wishes us to dance for her, if not more.

"Inari, you make this a difficult choice. I've desired to be free of this seal for some time. I've decided though, that I will overcome this challenge and prosper from it. I've been in a panic due to the sudden nature of the events, but it's just another hurdle to overcome."

Faking our death may be necessary down the line sure. But now isn't the time. We need to calm down and capitalize on what we can from this, there's going to be a lot of unhappy clansmen soon, we need to be ready to direct their anger away from ourselves.

>>17219821
>>17219774

Massive convoluted reasons. Our plan is basically to be the Hokage, along with a bunch of shit that would bring with it.

Our best shot at doing this is to bee liked and trusted by everybody, and to be a political outsider.

If we're a guy who happens to be Hyuga, but outside the clans authority, we might be seen as unbiased. If we go from clan head to hokage, we're erecting an 80 foot sign that declares they are the Hyuga clan's bitches.

There's another myriad of reasons there as well. Being Hyuga clan head means that if we even think about getting with an outsider, we're getting murdered.

>>17219857
It's a test. You better believe saying "Yes Please! Get me the fuck out of here!" Will result in a senbon through the heart.

>>17219745
"No. I think that you are right. I AM a hero, and I am not suited to rule from shadows. I think all of people should see my light!"
By such a statement, we can at least outsmart her

>>17219937
Reverse psychology from both sides. Great.
Feeling myself like at a fucking chess game.

>>17219898

>But now isn't the time.

Yes, yes it is. This is the Hyuga clan tightening the leash. Something we've been trying to avoid.

>>17219857
>>17219890
>>17219745

"Getting rid of the seal like that will mark me for death in the eyes of my clan. It's not something I can do and ever hope to be the hero you want me to be."

>>17219857
>>17219890
>>17219898
Agreed. Shingen's gotta do this one himself. I've never really seen when and why Shingen's become so reliant on Inari, never mind garnering feelings. I'd always thought he was just making amends for a botched act of passion from three years ago. We currently have no way to read what Inari's plans are, nor have we ever had a plan. Right now, I think Shingen just needs to focus on doing what he's always done and not force the issue with Inari. That seems on track to bring itself to its own head. Dealing with her will come in time.

Shingen needs to fly solo for now.

>>17219975
Yes, that is Hyuuga, who are tightening the leash. But i bet,
nobody waits for crazy paranoia-filled psychopathic guy on the Leader's place.
Time to repeat Mizukage's story.

It reminds me of Lelouch somehow. We are antagonizing ourselves, for our brother to rule safely.

>>17219975
>"Getting rid of the seal like that will mark me for death in the eyes of my clan. It's not something I can do and ever hope to be the hero you want me to be."
Shingen should derive a greater sense of accomplishment if he breaks the cursed seal himself and doesn't rely on an outside party with a quick fix THAT SHE SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If anyone ever found out that someone, especially an Uchiha, knows a Hyuuga secret, everyone would die.

>THE lowould

>>17219985
>>17219975
>>17219937
>>17219965

She smiles, "Good, Shingen, I'm so proud of you." She kisses your forehead, "Be smart, Shingen. You are smart, and can do what's best and right. Go into hiding and I will find you and make sure the world knows how good you are." She says and hugs you again before simply climbing out the window and leaping over the wall.

So, most of us agrees to finish this dialogue with Inari and calmly become next Leader, right?

>>17219965

>Feeling myself like at a fucking chess game.

Well duh, we are a chess-master.

>>17219937
>>17219926
>>17219975

"I won't lie and say I'm not tempted. But this was never about me. If I do that, I can never again show myself. All of my former allies would abandon me. The only thing I could do is disappear." Pause. "Is that what you want? Between us we could leave. I have no idea what you're planning, but I'm rapidly approaching the point of no return. But we could disappear, right now, and no-one would be the wiser. With our healing skills we could help people, and never want for anything. Any kids we might have would be free of this pointless infighting and constant maneuvering. It's not what I had in mind, but if i had you It would be enough."

That ought to throw her for a fucking loop.

>>17219975
Ok more important question. What the hell will we gain by "dying"? We'll be free of the Hyuga clan. We'll also lose everything we've worked for up until now. Our relationship with the Senju? Gone, "Shingen Hyuga is dead and if he's not then his people must know!" Same for the land of Wind and everyone else that has political clout.

This plan does more harm than good. There is no puppet master pulling the strings, just a very damaged and dangerous girl enacting her crazy plots and fallout from those plots and our own actions.

>>17220069
Respond to this post with a simple yes or no.

Yes- We will acquiesce and become the next leader, we can move from there.

No- We will try some vanishing act.

>>17220064
Okay. Then, we are getting some rest and wait for the wedding.
Do you agree with me, guys?

>>17220069
Yes.

>>17220069

NOPE.

>>17220064

Not that it matters, since we're apparently throwing away character development and all of our plotting.

>>17220090
Yes, if only because that helps us maintain some amount of clout and offers us more options to work with in the immediate future.

>>17220090
Yes become grorious leader.

>>17220090
>>17220104
>>17220108
>>17220069

Wasn't the plan to get our brother's place secure and then vanish?

When the fuck did all of that change? When did we throw everything away for no reason?

Am I the only one who cares about trying to remain IN CHARACTER anymore?

>>17220135
Bro, you assume too much. Of course we want our brother to succeed and be happy and be GRORIOUS READER. We're just coming at this from a different angle, now that we know a little more of what we're working with and now that the parties in question (Shingen's dad and brother) know what the fuck is up. Chill out.

>>17220086

>Best post in thread for planning/psychology.

>>17220064

Barely misses any chance of diverting away from the railroad.

>>17220108
>>17220135
Guys, we will still give the place to our brother, only taking this place to learn more about house seals and fucking with current leader

>>17220171
>>17220069

Consensus moves to yes.

You awaken the next morning to find the needles all laying about you in disarray as your body rejected them. You put them away quietly and go to the Patriarch.

He's overjoyed at your acceptance and offers you a scroll which will allow your Father to disown you, and then puts his hand on your shoulder and smiles, "Shingen, you are making the right choice. For the good of the Clan."

>>17220135
Not Bolting and not abandoning our Dad and Bro > Bolting and abandoning them both out of fear of being tied down politically.

This is just my opinion on Shingen character wise. I feel this action is more keeping in character as we can still Houdini our way out of this later once we've bought some time.

>>17220214
"Of course. For the good of the clan, and a brighter future."

Don't sound as if we've been forced into this. In fact we should make that comment sound as Hyuga as possible, which may make him pause for just a moment.

>>17220245
No need to make the Patriarch more suspicious than he needs to be, at least as far as Hyuuga go. Naturally, he expects shenanigans from all angles, so let's not force that point.

>>17220208
>>17220225
>>17220245

Well, since his stupid dickery fucked everything up, the least we can do is destroy the Hyuga.

Also, I think it's something of an open secret that we resent him and hate him for doing this.

>>17220245

"I'm pleased you agree." He says with a smile and tries to play it off as fine, but you see just the faintest twinge of discomfort at your words, curious about exactly what you mean about the future, but he seems to let it pass.

You take the scroll to your Father who reads it, sighs softly and signs his name onto it. Thanking him for this you turn to find Emiko standing there. She's wearing her military outfit with armor on the hips, knees, and over her chest. Her long halberd is in her hand as she's glaring at you with her Byakugan. "Shingen. You are no longer my Brother, and are not yet adopted. I challenge you to a duel." She says, pointing her blade at you with a smile, "The duel is on the grounds of you impugning my honor by refusing to greet me properly as is fitting of my station." She says, clearly using the weakest valid claim she could get her hands on. Your Father whistles lowly and looks at you, "Well, Shingen? You can walk away, if you want." He said and rubbed his nails against shirt as he spoke, "Emiko dear, he has no honor at the moment. He's Clanless and family-less. If he leaves and is adopted he returned his honor." He pauses and then goes on, "However, if he fights you and wins now, that honor will be given to him again, twice over, for defending himself from the Princess of the Eighth House."

>>17220352
Fuck you OP, You are a magnificent bastard, so, fuck you.

"I see, well then how about a cup of tea first? I still didn't have my breakfast."

>>17220352

Accept. Don't even try to defend ourselves.

Just let her beat us within an inch of our life.

>>17220352
Called it.
FUCKING called it.
I knew she wouldn't let these shenanigans go without a fight. Her claim to genius is in jeopardy, so she wants to whip Shingen's ass.
I say we humor her.

>>17220394

YOU.

I like your style. She wants a duel? Fine. She wants a FIGHT? Too damned bad.

>>17220382
>>17220394
>>17220395
>>17220408

Yeah. No snark, take it at face value, accept, and then just stand there and take it.

I don't think she has any idea what she just did.

>>17220418

Care to enlighten the rest of us?

>>17220352
In a low disgusted tone.

"The cycle of sibling against sibling, of those above striking down at those below, and those below following suit. That is the nature of the Hyuga. If you strike me I will defend myself elder sister. But this paper be damned I will not forget whose blood I share and I will not draw that blood from another save the most dire of situations. If you wish to kill me for whatever slights I have done, I will accept it, but I won't dishonor you further by not fighting back. I ask you as sincerely as I am able, let this bad blood go and let me walk away."

Absolutely earnest with every word.

>>17220426

Simple.

She wants to fight us for some personal slight.

Consider the following:
We're without clan.
She's our Sister.
She has no reason to be starting this shit.

She beats us up, we get a reputation as calm and strong willed, and she looks like a fucking psychopath.

Fight, but mostly evade/block her attacks.

>>17220431
>>17220394
Hmm maybe we can combine these actions? Drop the I will defend myself line and then if she presses for the fight just let the beating commence.

>>17220431

A bit melodramatic, isn't it?

I like the stoic 'get on with it' approach.

>>17220450
OR we might look like a guy with no spine unable to defend himself, if you want to see it from a different angle.

How do you want to humiliate her: let her exorcise her aggressions, or slap her shit?

>>17220463
>>17220450
>>17220431

Yeah "Please don't do this." Then take it like a man. She's not going to kill us, she's smart enough to realize how badly that would fuck her in the eyes of the clan.

>>17220465
I say leave the stoic for Jako, Shingen's allowed a little melodrama in a situation like this. Though whipping her ass to put her in her place sounds fun too.

>>17220487

The former. We literally have nothing to lose at this point, and us kicking the shit out of her (assuming we could) would shame her and make this worse.

Let her get it out of her system now. Maybe if she sees that she's insane and all the hate is one-sided she'll let all this the fuck go.

>>17220394
>>17220450
>>17220418
>>17220431

She sees your acceptance and when you say that you're ok with the fight she raises her blade and rushes forward, swinging it right at your neck.

However she stops it cold when you don't block or move to evade it. She snarls and cocks her fist back and punches you, very hard, right in the face. She grits her teeth in disgust and shakes her hand off from the pain before spitting on the ground, "You're less than a coward, Shingen." She insists before putting her blade on her shoulder, "The boy wins." She says over her shoulder to your Father, "Let everyone sing his praises some more."

We are ready, Op

>>17220525
Thank you for the beating, Sis. I hope you enjoyed yourself.

>>17220525

"Why does she hate me so much? There was nothing she could possibly have gained from this except satisfaction from hurting me."

>>17220525

"Not a Coward, I just don't have any time in my life for childish posturing. Whatever it is about my existence that pisses you off so badly, get it out of your system now or get over yourself."

>>17220525
Now she's bitter that Shingen became the bigger man. Not quite sure if that's what we were shooting for.

>>17220552
>>17220567

She does her best to patently ignore you as she leave the compound.

Your Father, meanwhile, can't control his laughter as he hangs onto your shoulder for support before laughing harder still, "Shingen!! Hahahahah, she's...!!!" he keeps laughing and finally pauses enough to stop and wipe his eye, "She's SOOO furious! It's hillarious!" He says and laughs more. Eventually he stops and smiles more, "Listen here Shingen, she had nothing to gain but trying to provoke you to a fight, beat you, and take solace in the fact that she's your better." he said and laughed as he put his arms around your shoulders, "My boy, you're much more a man than she a woman."

>>17220588
>>17220552
Shingen. Maximum trolling technique!

>>17220588

>get it out of your system now or get over yourself

Oh shit ninja, it on now.

>>17220599
>>17220600

>AGAIN the best reponse is missed

Fuck ME it keeps happening.

>>17220629

I meant >>17220588

not>>17220599

>>17220600
Thank you father, I am happy to see you in such a good mood. Still, maybe I am not her brother, but she is my sister. I wish her only the best, even if she hates me

>>17220639
"Some people just hate without reason." He says with a shrug, "Don't think too harshly on it. You have a big job, and we're going to have a great day today." He assures you before letting you go.

The Patriarch signs the next document and smiles, "Welcome to the Main Branch, my son." he says and pats your shoulder before standing up, "Now, you may feel free to move into the Main House's Compound at your leisure, I have a room setup for you. With that, I need to get ready for a wedding."

>>17220771
"Very well"

We may as well get set up and get ready for the wedding. We need to be careful now that we've put a magnifying glass over the bullseye on our back.

>>17220818
Now that we're official, one of our first orders of business is investigating the cursed seal. A renegade Uchiha shouldn't have a leg up on Shingen and Hyuuga secrets.

>>17220771
"Thank you."
Have nothing to add. Really

>>17220818

You dress yourself and move to ready up for the wedding. The dress attire you wear is pretty much uniform with the other men in the Clan. Jako wears a large black yukata with white lining that does its best to look classy, as he sits beside you and watches the ceremony.

The event passes with just a single hitch, thankfully. Everyone's overjoyed for Ran and Kumo and passes their best wishes to them. The Patriarch stands up after the ceremony and announces your official adoption. Things get tense as everyone claps, Ran's face cryptic as Kumo is just thankful that you did this for him.

The Patriarch then says that, in a week's time, he will be stepping down from his position as Clan's leader and will be going into a position on the ruling council for the Lord of the Land of Fire.

>>17220842
Agreed. We should research that seal, and change/remove it. I think we need some training in Hyuga archives.

>>17220884

>The Patriarch then says that, in a week's time, he will be stepping down from his position as Clan's leader and will be going into a position on the ruling council for the Lord of the Land of Fire.

Then we also step down, immediately afterwards, and fake our own death.

I wonder if he's going to see this one coming.

>>17220900

I'll third this course of action.

>>17220904

>immediately afterwards

Well, let's give it a day or two, but yeah basically.

>>17220884
>The Patriarch then says that, in a week's time, he will be stepping down from his position as Clan's leader and will be going into a position on the ruling council for the Lord of the Land of Fire.
Sonuvabitch.
Gotta step down as a mayor if you wanna run for governor, eh?

>>17220884
As soon as he will step down, I suggest we kill him.
First, as revenge, second, for him not tu fuck up with our plans anymore.

>>17220926

Well, we're gunning for Hokage.

All the Ninja clans getting together an Unionizing is going to scare the shit out of them probably.

Meanwhile, no fighting among the clans, and no one of them holds all the power.

So, we have a week to study the Hyuga house seals.
How about starting right now, huh?

>>17220941

Maybe get Inari to do this? Just have him 'disappear'?

>>17220943

>Unionizing

That's an interesting way of putting it. "You want me to send somma my boys wack this guy? Let's talk prices."

>>17220972
I don't believe in Inari anymore. she works for someone and maybe against us.
sorry, but we will have to get our hands dirty (again)

>>17220972
>>17220970
>>17220943
>>17220941

Well, we're going down a very awkward and hypocritical route.

The idea of the hidden villages as unionizing is fucking hilarious by the way. Not sure what the mob has to do with that.

As far as studying, I think we have time for the dinner party. We can take a few days as boss, but we're gonna be out of office again in say... a week?

>>17221009

>Not sure what the mob has to do with that.

With Unions?

Really?

Ninja Prease.

>>17220972
Inari is just too unstable. Whether she's working for someone or is just plain kooky is irrelevant. If you want something done, you gotta do it yourself. I don't feel like shitcanning the Patriarch and/or faking our death yet.

>>17221022
>>17221009
>>17220904
>>17220922

Actually, if we agree to turn over power on the grounds that they don't ask too many questions or keep tabs on our comings and goings, we can avoid this for now.

In exchange they get plausible deniability if we fuck up.

>>17221019

>Ninja Prease

Every fucking time. Every time, I'm drinking something.

Why does that only get funnier every time somebody says it.

>>17221049

By 'this' I'm assuming you mean the bit about faking our own death.

>>17221049
Who is "they?"

>doth toryves
Captcha's confused, too.

Faking our death isn't even remotely needed anymore. We could ya know just step down if we're that averse to having power with no one over us. Burning all of our contacts and everything we've done in the quest/for the last 3 years at this point is just a dumb idea. I'm fine with us abdicating but we don't have to commit suicide to do it.

>>17221076

Yes.

>>17221099

Specifically, our brother and his wife. The next heirs in line.

The Hyuga clan in general is implied.

>>17221118

We've sort of agreed to table the option for now, with a back-up plan for it in reserve just in case.

Also, let's look up how summoning Jutsus work. We've been holding off on that for too long. The time for Vampire Batman is nigh.

>>17221122
We could also just act like we pussed out due to the pressure of ruling. We are only a teenager so its not implausible.

>>17221164

Well, the wheeling and dealing is back-room.

I think it plays better for our character (as other people see it) if we turn down power because we didn't want it.

Makes us giving up our family seem really selfless.

>>17221118
Agreed. That plan is unnecessary and excessive. Shingen milks the Hyuuga archives for everything they're worth, the Patriarch promotes Shingen and steps down, Shingen learns all he can before promoting his brother and steps down himself.

Shingen helps his brother live the dream.
Shingen becomes more powerful with his expanded knowledge.
Shingen throws an "up yours" at the Patriarch.
Shingen maintains all his contacts and reputation.
Shingen is free to handle his bidness.

Sounds like a plan to me.

>>17221202
>>17221118

Consensus was to table the 'fake our own death' option and have it in reserve just in case.

>>17221254

Makes sense. We don't need it right now, and a healthy sense of Paranoia will help us live to ripe old age.

>come back after last night.

>See all this shit.

Wow guys.

Faking our death? Enticing Inari to fake it for us? Jeebus.

All we have to do is, become Patriach. Boost our sister and father to the main house and then establish that women can become patriachs/matriarchs and then make our sister the newest leader. She is after all a genius, with a technique that frightens even our father.

Or something. I'd have a better plan but right now. Wow, still in shock that we tried to go off the grid.

Hey, since we're going to be head honcho anyway- Could we, after removing our cursed seal, do the same to the entire branch and abolish the cursed seal system? Or if we wanted to abuse legal loopholes, we could simply promote all branch members to pale champion status. Taking care of the cursed seal stuff is nothing but pros for us:
We get to free our oppressed brothers and sisters, we get to stick it to the patriarch and most importantly, Inari's potential grip over the branch and ourselves vanishes.

>>17221311

Three problems with that plan: Women can already be in charge, that was the plan if we didn't accept: prevent our brother from marring his daughter, his daughter rules alone.

Our sister hates us. Assuming she didn't take it as a personal insult, she might try to fuck us over with her new found authority.

Lastly, randomly boosting various family members will make us look dumb and indecisive.

We already have a plan, lets stick to it.

>>17221330

Ballsy, but extreme. Let's not just up and do that. I'm not even sure we have the authority to.

>>17221330
Once the Patriarch steps down, we rule carte blanche over the entire Hyuuga clan. We could theoretically abolish the cursed seal, and no one would stop us (openly).

So why where the houses created in the first place? They must serve a purpose.

>>17221389
>>17221373
>>17221330

Seems like an epic troll maneuver.

But let's think about this one carefully before we do it.

>>17221428
>>17221437

This. Let's not rock the boat before we think hard about this.

>>17221330
If you abolish the cursed seal, it could lead to a new era of prosperity for the Hyuuga clan.

OR

The entire clan descends into anarchy, everyone killing everyone else now that their power is unleashed.

>>17221437
>>17221448
Before anything else, let's at least learn the ins and outs of the cursed seal itself. We can do that now, now that we're main house.

>>17221202
>>17221192

You accept the promotion with a fair hand and everyone unsteadily accepts it with you.

The next day you wake up as Patriarch with a blank slate. The old Patriarch has cleared and gone away by first light it seems, as he is completely gone with no trace left. Jako walks into the room and speaks up, "Strange. So you're the king now?"

>>17221458

This is why I advised caution. Some people might like it, but how many resentful motherfuckers are there just WAITING for an opportunity like that?

>>17221480

"Something like that."

Ask to speak with our brother and his wife. Not a command, just sort of an invitation.

>>17221480
First order of business as Patriarch: learn about the cursed seal.

>>17221520

We should have been doing that in the week between the wedding and now.

>>17221525
>>17221520

I'd rather not have someone pull the same move our sister did and jump on us, right when we're vulnerable. The cursed seal is the most important thing right now.

Also as patriach, we should have access to all the secret family moves.

>>17221525
Your week has revealed a little bit about the seal.Nothing much more than you really knew, to be honest. You know the command seal to harm those with the Curse Mark, and know how to apply it to newborns, but you don't know how to remove it from anyone. Apparently only the Patriarch knew that little trick, and he neglected to do it to you in the week he was sleeping in his room and packing.

>>17221511
At your behest they arrive and kneel at the lower portion of the floor, their eyes down as Ran speaks, "Yes, Lord Shingen, how can we be of assistance to you?"

>>17221547
You do indeed have the information to learn them. The scrolls lay out clearly how to do them, but you will still have to practice them.

>>17221548

"No need for such formality between us." Wave for them to stand up (I assume we're in private). "I wanted to talk about the future of our clan."

>>17221548
>Shingen promoted to main house
>Patriarch has a whole week to remove cursed seal
>Doesn't remove cursed seal
>Doesn't teach how to remove cursed seal
MotherFUCKER.

>>17221583

I'm assuming he either removed our seal, or at least sealed it so it couldn't be manipulated.

Otherwise, our first act as Patriarch should be to hunt him down and ask what the fuck he was smoking.

>>17221599
>Apparently only the Patriarch knew that little trick, and he neglected to do it to you in the week he was sleeping in his room and packing.
Far as I can tell, he didn't do shit. For fuck's sake, he specifically chose us to be the new Patriarch. If anyone shouldn't have a cursed seal on their head, it's the Patriarch himself.

>>17221625

Whoa, back the fuck up. Curse seal removal should have been the first thing we got as the fucking Patriarch.

>Cursed Seal

>Jako

...Dear god I just realized, we could replicate Orochimaru's juinjutsu by combining these.

We just need to brush up on our seals or find someone who is.

>>17221691
And Inari could probably put us in a death-like state. We just need a mind-awakening pill.

This would also make us compatible with Jako and he can heal us if need be.

Of course theres the 10% survival rate..

>>17221563

Memorize scrolls at some point in the immediate future.

>>17221548
>>17221575

Do we need to elaborate here?

"When the former Patriarch gave me this position, I accepted under duress. I was manipulated and blackmailed. Then I realized something: He gave up his power and authority to me when he left. All of it. I could do whatever I want, and nobody can do anything to stop me." Deep sigh. "It's power I didn't want, responsibilities I don't care for, and a position that someone of my unique skills is... ill-suited for, to be frank. Therefore my reign will be about as brief as I can manage, no more than a few weeks on the outside. I need to get some affairs in order, and discuss what my handing over power would entail."

Then just see how they react.

>>17221720
>>17221691

Let's not do these thing at the moment.

>>17221720
So we can become Man-bat instead of needing to summon? Interesting.

>>17221599
>>17221583
>>17221625
>>17221575
>>17221730

Kumo nods, "Thank you, Shingen, it means a lot to the both of us that you are willing to be so reasonable to both us and our children." He said softly before Ran nods her agreement as well.

>>17221737
Agreed. We got way bigger fish to fry before we think about summons. We have the entire Hyuuga library splayed before us, and a genius brain waiting to soak them up. This is all to say nothing of our succession and this sudden cursed seal kerfuffle.

>>17221766
Should we let them know that we still have the cursed seal or should we not mention that?

>>17221766

"Of course there are some things we would need to sort out first. I was in the middle of some rather.. delicate situations when recent events forced me to put them on hold. But I if i have to be the Patriarch even briefly, I intend to do my job well. The reason I was chosen to fill the throne is because there were some... concerns. Personally, I think that a good way to deal with those concerns is by giving Emiko an advisory position in addition to her current titles and duties. if there's one thing she isn't, it's soft and emotional. The fact that she tried to kill me under the pretext of a duel on the day of your wedding is proof enough there. Just don't tell her it was my idea, she'll probably refuse out of spite."

Continue over any sign of shock over the casual reference of attempted fratricide. "Another thing is that the duties I would be returning to had some... admittedly questionable components. It would probably be best if you didn't ask to many questions or try to keep tabs on me. I'm trying not to step on too many toes, but plausible denial never hurts. You can rest assured that I'll try not to abuse clan resources, and be working for the good of our clan and our allies."

Give a reassuring smile "And it goes without saying that I'm still here as a member of the main branch, as family, and a friend should you need my help or advice. Do you have any questions or concerns to voice about these arrangements? Now is the time to voice them, and I would much prefer honesty."

>>17221897
>>17221882

"No, there's nothing to ask." Kumo says as Ran is about to ask a question, inevitably, about what you're doing on the side as he gently holds her hand, "Anyway, Shingen, keep power for as long as you want. But we'll talk to Emiko about this. She'll probably accept if Ran asks her, the two of them are very close."

>>17221882

It's something worth considering.

I'm surprised we didn't bring it up with the former Patriarch before he left.

"uh, Sir?"
>Yes Shingen?
"If I'm gonna be the new Patriarch, shouldn't you remove the curse se-
>Oh goodness look at the time! i must be off now, have fun!

Personally? I'm thinking he's going to try and have his cake and eat it too.

So if the last Patriarch didn't remove our seal, the least we can do is try to crack it ourselves before going on a manhunt for him. I mean, we have the Hyuuga archives at our disposal. It has to talk about the seal somewhere.
Also, autosage.

>>17221915

"For as long as I want? Sadly, never wasn't an option. The only reason I don't hand it over right now is because I accepted the responsibility to the clan. If I don't at least make provisions in case something goes wrong because I gave my power over to you two... well I mean that would just be reckless and irresponsible. Even though my reign will be brief, I intend to rule well."

If they have nothing else they want to talk about, then we have work to do. Be sure to remind them that as far as they're concerned we're going to have an open door policy.

Anyone else getting that paranoid feeling that we're set-up to take some sort of fall? The patriarch left us vulnrable, so we may be some sort of..patsy.

>>17221919
>>17221947
Today was the day he promised he would do it, and he jumped ship apparently before the alloted time.

The archives reveal a lot of hatred and disdain towards the Branch Members. You trace it all the way back and the first recorded use of the Curse Seal was to keep the Byakugan safe from outside capture. The seal terminates the wearer's eyes, making them useless. However, eventually, the Main Branch tied a curse onto it which allowed them control and to retrain dominance, since the Branches were warring with one another over the powerful jutsu that were at the center of the Clan's power.

>>17221981
What was this powerful jutsu? Is there any reference too it?

I say we rework the seal to the way it was before.

>>17221995

The clan's techniques.

The plural to Jutsu is Jutsu.

>You trace it all the way back and the first recorded use of the Curse Seal was to keep the Byakugan safe from outside capture. The seal terminates the wearer's eyes, making them useless

This makes sense.

>However, eventually, the Main Branch tied a curse onto it which allowed them control and to retrain dominance, since the Branches were warring with one another over the powerful jutsu that were at the center of the Clan's power.

To quote Shingen on the topic: This is some bullshit right here.

I can see how the idea happened, but the idea of using it as a leash... Even if we don't abolish it completely, we should downgrade it just a touch.

>>17221981
We will assume the former Patriarch is fully lucid in his actions and choices.
That said, he stiffed us. That shit's not cool.

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