>"The archives reveal a lot of hatred and disdain towards the Branch Members. You trace it all the way back and the first recorded use of the Curse Seal was to keep the Byakugan safe from outside capture. The seal terminates the wearer's eyes, making them useless. However, eventually, the Main Branch tied a curse onto it which allowed them control and to retrain dominance, since the Branches were warring with one another over the powerful jutsu that were at the center of the Clan's power."
So how do we reverse engineer the curse?
Also, a beard is rather flattering on Honda.

Honda is a ninja dwarf.

I approve.

>>17222101

Fujutsu I think is what we're looking for there.

Does our clan have anything in terms of knowledge of summoning jutsus while we're in the archive?

Specifically bats?

So as the new patriach, we're gonna rework the seal to be fair to the other houses.

Yeesh the main house will not like this.

>>17222124
Batman later. Curse and Hyuuga techniques now. Priorities, people.

>>17222197

Someone laid out the metaphor of carving 'fuck this clan' being carved into the moon large enough to be seen by the naked eye wasn't QUITE strong enough to express our feelings. And we aren't getting rid of them per-say, we're just relaxing them a little bit. Anyone of a higher social rank being able to insta-kill you with a gesture is a BIT much.

>>17222124
>>17222200

Not disagreeing with you there, just saying we might as well have a peak while we're here.

>>17222224
Well of course, but we can't do anything until our own seal is abolished. They can just activate it on us if we try anything.

>>17222247

Hence the seal research.

Two birds, one stone.

>>17222261
So we're going to be patriarch until our..

seal..

is...

removed..

OH THAT BASTARD!

>>17222311

He is silightly smarter than we gave him credit for.

OP, could we do something to boost our knowledge on the topic? Study seals, learn techniques, etc?

Maybe ask his daughter if he passed on any knowledge?

>>17222402
This is more of a reason just to abolish the friggin curse mark, just to spite the old guy.

Then again..this could be a test. A test for each patriarch from one of the other houses to pass, to show that they are truly fit too rule.

>>17222481

Maybe.

Honestly? Don't care. We are dedicating all the time we can to breaking the seal.

>>17222124
>Specifically bats

As if I would make it that easy.

>>17222402
You can ask around, but no one likely knew about it except for him. As for studying seals, sure we can, but that would mean downtime training.

>>17222512
If its a test then yes.

We're a genius.

Which means if its a test, we'll make it our bitch. We're going to turn this test around, flip it in so many ways, people think we're making flap-jacks.

Ya smell that Konoha? Thats a test being cooked and prepared for breakfast. Do you have the syrup?

Next time we eat One Piece.

While we curse our predecessor for scampering off like a bitch, I suggest we do two things. First, we make sure that the that the previous Patriarch is still alive because for SOME fucking reason we decided to tell Inari 'Batshit Crazy' Uchiha to solve our problems.

Second, and most importantly, we start using our political clout to start open dialog with our friends. Regarding this, we need to start taking care of the business that the Patriarch normally does: Problems among the family, political problems and getting missions going. Sadly, this means more downtime training for us - which we should focus on getting Shinshen and release Jutsus at least.

>>17222853
Genjutsu was always a problem for us. But when our byakugan matures, that's supposed to become a non-issue.

Wait, don't we do better with our downtime training than missions.

And we have the mightiest Clan Jutsu at our fingertips, and perhaps weeks of 'downtime' to master them all.

I do believe we're going to get a power up out of this.

Also the old Patriarch is dickbag, a clever dickbag though, he still has control of the clan and will certainly kill our brother if we abdicate before we can take steps to prevent that.

Option 1: Assassinate the Patriarch.
Option 2: Learn to neutralise the the Caged Bird Seal, this might take awhile and a lot of point investiture that we could use in improving our favoured skills.

>>17225448
>Learn to neutralise the the Caged Bird Seal, this might take awhile and a lot of point investiture that we could use in improving our favoured skills.
But the seal acts as a limiter, so if we nullify the seal, our power ought to skyrocket. I'd say it's worth it dealing with and getting out of the way now.

>>17225724

Does it? As far as I'm aware all it does is secure the Byakugan from being stolen and allows the Main House to exert their will on the Branch Houses.

Is this just part of Five Nations or is it actually part of the Naruto fluff? I've never heard of this effect I'm afraid.

>>17225448
I'm with Option 2.
But, we still need to consider and plan contingencies for what happens when we release one of the primary forces that kept the Hyuuga's Branch Houses from endless open warfare against each other. If we just turn off the control aspects, that could lead to the entire clan imploding.
The turning off eyes if they die thing, though, that we keep. It's a good disincentive, to keep other clans from attempting harvesting raids on Hyuuga members.

Also, could we actually get around to discussing our end-game goals and how we plan to accomplish them?
Because I unfortunately had to leave right before we returned home, and couldn't comment then.

Us faking our death would burn every single bridge we've built up to now, excluding perhaps Jako and Inari. No ninja deals with a missing-nin except by hunting them down and killing them, or only using them as deniable assets to be gotten rid of after their usefulness is at an end.

Second, the idea that being the leader of a Clan means that we couldn't become the Hokage flies in the face of established history in the setting. Technically, yes, it hasn't occurred yet, but Hashirama is the one who becomes the first Hokage, and his leadership of the Senjuu Clan didn't seem to hinder his nomination (Madara's paranoia aside).

So if we want to be Hokage, then we need to approach the Senjuu and Uchiha Clans with a formal peace and alliance treaty. Being an outsider, a Clan-less person who can't bring anything significant to the negotiating table except our own impartiality, gives no one any incentive to sign on. It would make us a good mediator, being viewed as a neutral party, but not as a participant, since we wouldn't have anything to contribute. It would be painfully obvious that we were just bringing everyone together in order to place ourselves at the top in that case.

We know how to make the seal, right? is there someway we could modify it subtlely so it can't kill?

>>17227250
Not yet. More research is required, and if we're going to do it ourselves in order to not arouse suspicions of what we're going to try to do (undermine the status quo and the one thing keeping the Hyuuga clan from imploding as the Branches murder the entire Main House due to generations of oppression and deep-seated hatred before turning on each other in a massive internal war) then we need to learn fuinjutsu ourselves.

For now I say we focus on neutralizing all aspects of our seal, aside from it destroying our eyes when we die.

>>17227487
Right, but that takes research, since THAT BASTARD left without taking the seal off of us. Unless we plan on going to him, which he's probably already accounted for, and which would be a bad idea, considering that he is now on the advisory council to the Lord of the Land of Fire, and effectively out of our jurisdiction.

>>17227663

You know, forming the Hidden Village system would basically eradicate any political power he has over us, he'd have no 'real' power in the clan any more once we hobble the seal and he'd have to deal with the Hokage rather than 'just' a clan head.

Right now he has the Lord of the Land of Fire's ear and is thus vastly more powerful than us, but we can change that.

And if we're not powerful enough yet, Hashirama can do it for us.

>>17227992
Exactly, and all of which requires that we stay visible and in the open, solving problems and getting people indebted to us.

While the idea of being a chessmaster from the shadows is nice, Inari had a point when she called it an 'adolescent dream'. How exactly did any of us expect to control anything, when we have nothing?
We have social contacts, and personal ability, but no control over vast resources, or the fealty of large numbers. We are recognized as a person who can solve problems, but that does not translate to people actually going out of their way to listen to us.

>>17227325
Since I'm just jumping in and don't have the time to read all 11 threads right now, I want to ask:
Is that the general target? Destroying/Splintering/Damaging the Hyuuga Clan as bad as possible? Or did I get that wrong?

>>17228545
Shingen's overall plan involves getting money and fucking bitches. Part of that involves getting out from beneath the defunct Hyuuga clan structure.

>>17228545
It wasn't in the beginning when we created Shingen. Nor was it that even after the timeskip.

Our goals may have changed due to THAT BASTARD and the apathy or downright antipathy directed at us by other Hyuuga, and even members of our own family.

I'm concerned more with the big prize: becoming politically powerful with control over enough powerful shinobi and resources that we can bring the other Clans of the Land of Fire together in a peace and alliance treaty and promote the Hidden Village system, putting ourselves forward as the first Hokage.

>>17228659
Okay.
But, then just wreaking heavoc is a bad plan. Eventually, there will be somebody coming out on top, and if it's not us, then this somebody and a whole bunch of angry survivors will come after the guy that fucked everything up. In either case, splinter survivors will be mad and out for our blood.

Wouldn't it then be much, much smarter to gather as many people that are loyal to us as possible, eliminate the main branch and utilize the Seal to kill everyone else in one big coup?

>>17228741
Well the problem with that is because Shingen has been away from the Clan compound and holdings so much, we've never cultivated any allies or friends amongst our Clan, besides our Father and older brother. Maybe our uncle too, but that's pushing it.

We can, and should, break the cursed seal on us, but we need to think long and hard on how we break it among the other Hyuuga, if we do.

>>17228829
Well, this whole business isn't something that can or should be untertaken in short time anyway, so there should be time to cultivate allies. Destroying the entire bloodline isn't a good idea either.

>>17228867
I agree.
We tentatively have Ran as an ally, since we promised to give up our position and give it to her as quickly as feasible. She'll want to keep us alive so that we can make good on that promise.

We'll need to come up with some way that the Branch Houses will remain in need of the Main House and the preservation of peace, without the cursed seal to keep them in line.

Well if we need to make peace with the Uchiha, why not share the cage bird seal.

The disabling of the eyes after death of course, not the near-enslavement stuff.

It will prevent Madara from acquiring any new eyes or any power hunger Uchiha from doing the same thing.

Yes, while it causes them to work together and possibly grow stronger then before, it will also stop them from achieving those god-hax powers that they obtain from transplanting eyes.

Hmm, perhaps we should study the Uchiha Clan and find out how they keep order without the same methods the Hyuuga use?

They're obviously doing something right as they haven't dissolved into all out civil war.

We could perhaps adopt elements of what they use.

>>17233878
It would also do good to see how the Senjuu do it as well, considering that they're considered by far to be less trigger-happy and violent than the Uchiha.

>>17234619
Is it just me that thinks this or are the Hyuuga clan (and possibly the Uchihas too?) pretty bent on that whole genetic purity thing? With the exception of Hinata, all of the Hyuugas in the series all look pretty much the same, same with the Uchihas. Do they encourage marriage within the clan? Enforce it?

I'm suddenly unsure if it's actually mentioned outright in the series...

>>17235152
It would make sense, considering that the kekkei genkai is a hereditary trait, and they don't want it to become diluted.
But I don't know if the knowledge of DNA and genetics is advanced enough for them to understand that they also need to inject fresh DNA into the pool in order to maintain genetic health.

It's always the same two shitty roleplayers and their failure of a questrunner, isn't it?

Why don't you just get out? No one likes you, and at least three different people have vocally said as much recently.

>>17233878
>>17234619
While good ideas, we really should have been doing that when we were spending time with the Senjuu's.

Anyone have ideas on how we can acquire this knowledge?
I was thinking that we could send one or both of our cousins that we fought alongside in that battle 3 years ago to the Senjuu as diplomats, and task them with seeing how the Senjuu keep their various branches and families in line.

>>17235841

Nah, as long as there's one other guy we're doing fine, I mean we have the dice to settle disputes and considering we're testing out a game system it fits the content of the board so pissy bitches with nothing better to do don't really have leg to stand on besides 'I don't like it' which is a shittier leg than a peg leg covered in termite pheremones.

tldr: Keep bitching bitch 'cause you'll always be a bitch...bitch.

Now then, the Uchiha might be a better case study for Clan control because they also have an eye Bloodline Limit rather than the Senju's 'Generally Be Awesome' one.

Also we're probably so inbred you could use our family tree as maze puzzle.

>>17236368
A good point about the Uchiha being a better case study because of their similarities to the Hyuuga.

Getting information from them will be difficult, though, considering that we've consistently sided with the Senjuu against the Uchiha in the past.

>>17229828
>We'll need to come up with some way that the Branch Houses will remain in need of the Main House and the preservation of peace, without the cursed seal to keep them in line.

Can't imagine anything in that way. At this point, the only way to destroy the Seal and keep peace simulatneously is probably "Destroy the entire main house, at least the older ones and that extremely creepy child, because that one will come back and revengemurder everyone if we don't."

You must be desperate to bump your thread with babble and this pantomime of an actual, active quest. Who're you trying to fool?

It's shit and no one likes it, or you wouldn't have to make it constantly spasm its way on and off the front page. Admit it and go away.

>>17236424
Possibly. But I'd prefer to find a way of maintaining our power base, without continued usage of the cursed seal in its current form, as Inari knows how to use it.
Destroying the Main Branch is counter-productive to our goals, as that kind of internal strife would reflect badly on our political capabilities in the eyes of others, and now that our brother is a member of the Main House, he'd be targeted too.

What if we just changed the seal so that it only prevented direct action against the Main House, rather than being a kill-switch controlled by the Main?

>>17236613
OH MY GOD! The sage guy is back here!
We missed you! Where have you been? You didn't sage this quest for, like, three threads!

Waiting on OP.

>>17241915
OP has returned.

So, downtime?
Or do we have anything that we actively want to do?

>>17243602
I think we should learn the scrolls and try to find a way to undo our Mark first.

>>17243602

You have made me, and most of the other participants, extremely nervous on the topic of time skips.

Even tiny ones.

So I'm not gonna say yes. I'm not sure I can say no, but I'm not saying yes.

Because I know you're going to try and fuck us.

>>17243640
Now now, nothing happened last time. You just THOUGHT it happened.

Anyway, youc an trust me.

>>17243649
Meh, I don't know why everyone was so worked up about Inari dying.

I was reading the entire quest in one go and when that moment came I though "Welp, I love it when problems resolve themselves"

And lets not forget the absolute shitstorm when MC was appointed protagonist. All I could think was "well, this is inconvenient but I'm sure the players will make this work in our advantage" and what do I get? People seriously making plans to fake death and play a shadow puppet-master of sorts.
It took DM to literally slap the players in the face to show them what a bad idea that was.

Anyway, not removing the mark of death or whatever it was called?

>>17243649

No fucking way do I trust you.

I remember the first quest.

>Do you want a little time skip, since nothings happening?
"Sure."
>THREE YEARS LATER, THE WORLD HAS BEEN CONQUERED BECAUSE YOU DID NOTHING
"The Fuck?"

And then THIS quest.

>So, training time skip with your Dad?
"Uhh, sure?"
>Welp, we're a couple years in the future, and Inari has gone fucking BONKERS because YOU WEREN'T THERE.
"Fuck me, AGAIN?"

And then you made like half the people following rage quit because Inari 'died'.

And then, that turned out to NOT be the case, but since it was right after the massive shit-storm we have no way of knowing if it were just as planned or a ret-con.

So no, I'm not trusting you with fucking time skips. Terrible things happen so often with our fucking BLINKS I'm surprised we haven't invented a Jutsu to stay awake forever.

>>17243674

>"Welp, I love it when problems resolve themselves"

You seriously know nothing about Shingen as a character. If she was really dead, we would have followed about five minutes later in a suicide rush against fucking Madara.

>It took DM to literally slap the players in the face to show them what a bad idea that was.

You mean when he rail-roaded the fuck out of us and then the end result turned out incredibly different than anything we could have logically assumed going in?

Where he ignored the best responses to try and talk to Inari, and then deliberately changed shit in the conversation so we couldn't get a fucking thing out of her?

The fact that we had a plan and OP fucking cock-blocked us as hard as possible because we didn't want to play ball?

The fact that we're dancing on puppet-strings both in and out of character?

Honestly don't even know why I'm even bothering to check in on this quest anymore, there's clearly a pre-planned story we aren't allowed to deviate from.

>>17243725

At least in the first quest we were assigned missions.

Then it made sense that we suddenly had to do X: those were our orders.

So, uh, why the fuck is naruto here?

I mean really? Why? Its a shit show, shit fanbase, shit everything, so why is it that I keep seeing these threads?

I'm actually a bit curious.

>>17243725
>Where he ignored the best responses to try and talk to Inari, and then deliberately changed shit in the conversation so we couldn't get a fucking thing out of her?
>The fact that we had a plan and OP fucking cock-blocked us as hard as possible because we didn't want to play ball?

These are pretty hefty assumptions to make. You THINK those are great plans because you think they would play out exactly as you think they would. In fact, you cannot always assume that your plans will play our perfectly. If you so called "great plans" failed at the first few steps then you would have nothing left anymore.

>You seriously know nothing about Shingen as a character. If she was really dead, we would have followed about five minutes later in a suicide rush against fucking Madara.
That's true.
But I said the FIRST thing that came to my mind. The second thing was "Oh wait, no way that's her". It wasn't preposterous to thin that she made a body double and tricked everyone, she was know to have doubles before and hell she is a very competent shinobi, a genius I'd guess.

>>17243760

Quest thread/game development.

Base setting for Naruto wasn't terrible, so we built off that and made something half-way awesome.

It's actually worth looking into.

>>17243760
Because we're playtesting a system, as stated in the first post. V.1.0 was completed and is available, and improvements to it, which is what this playtest/quest is about, is expected early January.

We've also changed the setting around a bit, in order to eliminate some of the anime's more blatant faults.

>>17243725
What plan did you have though, because I couldn't see it.
What plan would get us to where we want to be, in control of everything, if we have no real power, and while a useful troubleshooter, still just a disposable asset?

>>17243764

>It wasn't preposterous to thin that she made a body double and tricked everyone, she was know to have doubles before and hell she is a very competent shinobi, a genius I'd guess.

The only problem I have with that explanation is Madara.

If the Uchiha hated her half as much as they claimed to, no fucking way was Madara not involved at some point, if not the killing itself, the stringing up.

He's very hands on.

He's also horrifyingly powerful, and a super genius who can take on multiple people of Kage level at the same time.

With the removal of the tailed beasts, he's the closest thing the setting has to fucking Cthulhu.

I'm absolutely fucking certain that he would have spotted the double. That's why I'm convinced it's a retcon. I'm not really angry about it or anything, but that shit was made up on the spot.

>>17243764

>These are pretty hefty assumptions to make. You THINK those are great plans because you think they would play out exactly as you think they would. In fact, you cannot always assume that your plans will play our perfectly. If you so called "great plans" failed at the first few steps then you would have nothing left anymore.

Not that guy, but it kinda pissed me off to.

Not because he pointed out it was a bad idea, which I personally agree with (not the concept, but the way people fucking went about it, christ), but because he wouldn't let us even try.

Every time we suggested a plan, he shoe-horned some stupid fucking way of saying NOPE into the game.

If it was a terrible idea we insisted on, he should have let us try, and faced the fucking consequences for our actions. Inari got abandoned, so she went crazy. Our fault (or so I thought until recently, now I'm starting to think he wouldn't have let int happen another way).

If we rolled bad, we could die. Why can't we get fucked because we had a bad idea? What if our way of doing it was actually BETTER? Now we'll never know, because we weren't allowed to even follow that line of thought.

>>17243800

Even if it was a shit idea, he should have done more than scream NOPE at us when we had it.

>>17243800
>>17243774
>>17243770

Ok, or we could all calm down and take a step back.

I can see people are a little frustrated about the world moving forward during time skips. That's fine, no more skips then if you're gonna be pissy about it.

Instead we can just work on downtime training when I'll promise you guys nothing bad will happen otherwise we'll all get mad.

>>17243850
With the assumption the Rinnegan still grows from the sharingan, yes, that's true. But that's not the case. Barring any future details, he's powerful but not god.

>>17243856
Genuine question,

>he wouldn't let us even try
I'm curious about what you're referring to in specific.

And what other plans are you referring to? Please, let me know what problems you have.


In fact, let's move with this.

Since everyone's got gripes, let's hear them. Respond to my post with specific instances of problems. Please make it constructive, I understand your frustrations, but we're all adults here.

>>17243880

Lets see, there were a couple of amazing posts that you either ignored, or misinterpreted to the point of trolling. During the conversation with Inari, for instance. There was one post talking about how she didn't seem to trust us with anything, and asked what she was hiding from us. She then responded with "I'm not hiding, I'm right here!" With there being literally no way for her to mis-interpret, or not sound dumb for saying it. Even if she was being evasive and fucking with us that made no sense. There was also an epic post I would have given my left nut to see her reaction to, but you did manage to post the 'and she leaves' post about a half a second prior, so I guess I'll have to live with that, even if the length and thought meant at least ten minutes went into the writing.

You seem to gloss over some shit, and go with seemingly unpopular options. Maybe it's just a matter of perception, but that's the way it feels.

There's also the business with the clan, and Inari's death. Maybe you had those ideas all along, but the way they were written really feels like "Oh shit they hated that, spin it spin it spin it..."

>>17243856
Hmm, a valid point. If you make terrible decisions, you should face the consequences.

But the decision pretty much hanged on the fact that Inari would agree. And she didn't, we tried to convince her nicely. She didn't bulge. We tried to convince her diplomatically. Again, she said no. Then we tried again and she started to become angry.
Just because we have 5 level diplomacy and good dialogue, doesn't mean we can convince EVERYONE. Some people are just too stubborn and Inari is batshit insane.

Without her help, the plan was moot anyway since we didn't know anyone who could provide a good double.

>>17243880
I don't have any gripes. Wish I had shut my mouth and didn't derail the quest.

>>17243940
Thank you, I'm appreciative of your response, and I'll try to address your comments.

The bulk of your argument seems to be centered on my ignoring certain posts. I can understand your view of this, but allow me to offer this. Many were taken from them arriving literally a second after I hit the post button. Not wanting to disrupt any subsequent responses I bore onwards.

In the future I will post a warning post before responding to allow any lengthy posts to catch up. This is a burden of a medium that I am trying to adjust to, thank you for your patience.

In regards to your problems with the Clan's decision and Inari's death. I had Inari's death decided on happening at some point in the story, the gap for training gave me a lull. The intention was for her to show herself dramatically at a later moment, for some narrative purpose. However, someone took the time to investigate, which I didn't anticipate at all happening, and I rolled through with it.

If the writing seems shoddy I apologize, between work and life in general I've been running rather low and it's carried over a few times. I deeply regret this, as it leaves a clearly extremely negative taste in people's mouths.

>>17243880

I dislike the un-even pace. Like I'll be here for three days with nothing happening, and then suddenly for go through like two threads in an hour.

>That's fine, no more skips then if you're gonna be pissy about it.

Not that guy, but to be totally fair, that one guy summed it up pretty accurate. It seems like you're waiting for a chance to fuck us over via time-skip. Put yourself in our positions for a sec, and ask if you wouldn't get just a LITTLE bit nervous.

I dislike how we seem to spend almost all our time reacting to shit. The last quest, we worked for someone and went on missions. us being dropped into one scenario after the other made sense in context.

The way this seemed structured and pitched, I thought it would be a lot more open ended. This doesn't SEEM to be the case, and that's a little disappointing. I actually agree with what that one guy was saying, I'd rather see the quest come to a sudden end, from us fucking up, than a more complete story that we didn't have as much say in.

Learn from how Alpha Protocol handled plot. It was a solid set of rail from one end to the next, and managed to have one of the most versatile, changing, evocative stories I've ever seen.

Granted, the game play was crap, but that script was amazing.

>>17243987
You mentioned Alpha Protocol and instantly made me a very happy man. Thank you for doing so, I loved that game.

You're right, I can see how it seems like timeskips are a trap I'm waiting to spring on you guys. I assure you that it's not like that, I rather see it as a good way to have things happen in the world around you.

I support the idea of being more open ended, and to that end I will do my best to still have us within the setting and allow you guys some more freedom. This is actually a very good junction point to allow a greater scope of freedom thanks to the license granted by our status.

>>17243987
Oh, whoops, didn't address the pacing.

I work a late-night job that often drains me mentally by the time I get home. In the future I will do my best to alert everyone to my impending days of activity so that we can all be on roughly the same schedule.

This project means a great deal to me, as its my brainchild, and I don't want it to go down with a negative history.

>>17244012
Do you have loads of time today or will you be going soon?

>>17244015
I have plenty of time today, I'll be up for another 3 hours or so. Tomorrow morning/afternoon I'll be busy, but tomorrow at around 11 or so board time I'll be back for the night and am then on my holiday vacation for 5 days.

>>17244022
Alright...

wait, I have a little complaint. Something that I had brought up in your first quest and you actually addressed it... but seems you went back to original ways.

Please quote the line of dialogue you are using from players input. Just copy-paste it as greentext would suffice.
Reading from the phone is hard when you cannot use the links to jump to the posts and have to manually search them by the post numbers just to see what the NPC is replying to.

Anyway, where did we stop?

>>17244022
Also, I have a question.
How does Nindou work exactly. When Jako fought his sister you said that he LOST his nindou. Is that bad or good?
Because I though losing it was bad but apparently not?

Also, can he operate his RAGE now?

>>17243956

>I don't have any gripes. Wish I had shut my mouth and didn't derail the quest.

I'm personally glad you did. Problems or no, some people got a lot of hate for perceived wrongs, accurate or otherwise. If this gets it out of their system, at the bare minimum it'll reduce future bitching.

>>17243880

>Barring any future details, he's powerful but not god.

A relief, but come on. The Rinnegan wasn't even ten percent his power.

Even if you literally cut all his stats in half, he's still be insanely over-powered.

Still scary as shit.

As for more general stuff... I feel like the rule-book could be laid out better. I wish there was a better way of laying out what we can and can't do. Like the Shun-Shin or whatever? Literally the first technique most ninjas learn? We can't do that shit?

I figured that would be basic skills. Like 'throw a shuriken'. yeah, maybe you don't have magic throwing powers, but fuck me, he's a ninja. Just give it to him.

Sometimes it seems like you're cock-blocking us. like "Does our clan have any scrolls talking about shit like summoning jutsus?" There's not even a mention of people using that technique anywhere in the entire library?

Then there's the fact that, while I wouldn't go as far as to call it railroading, you don't seem to be as...permissive with some stuff. The Harem thing, for example, i could see you wanting to say no to. I can understand why. i know you've kinda reversed your thinking on the matter, but still. Our character is very much rebellious against the old way of doing things. Even if it doesn't work out in the long run, I can see him trying to push a lot of boundaries, if only for the sake of asking 'why is this line right HERE instead of somewhere else?'

>>17244047

Basically, Nindo's the Game changer level. You can spend chakra or grit to do something, but spending Nindo changes something BIG. Forever. Remember how Jako had a hard-time controlling himself before? No longer an issue. That's why nindo's a big deal.

>>17244002

Ninja Prease.

Alpha Protocol was great.

Actually, Alpha Protocol was terrible and frustrating, but the story was so fucking good I didn't even mind suffering through the game-play. Chris Avellone practices the writing equivalent to fucking witchcraft.

As for complaints... A lot of my problems have already been put out there. Like the 'awesome' post that amounted to asking Inari if she wanted to just run away and leave our troubles behind? Me. I even refreshed to make sure you didn't post before I did.

And that let you beat me. I was literally so angry I just came back to the quest. I don't blame you or anything, but still. My fucking carefully planned psychological mind-fuck silver tongued fucking post. I don't write that good EVER.

>>17244050
>There's not even a mention of people using that technique anywhere in the entire library?
Well, this is before the Hidden Village system, and even before the First Shinobi World War.
I'm looking, but I can't find any evidence that summons were used in this time period.

I mean, look at Hashirama and Tobirama, considered to be two of the greatest shinobi ever to live, and they neither had Summons.

>>17244050
>I'm personally glad you did.
I'm relieved. I mean, this is the first time I am participating and practically from the first post I start an big argument which is halting the quest process.

...
Hmm, speaking of which. I haven't actually participated during the actual quest flow but just read it from the archives, so you can guess that I only read only the updates made by OP.
This is a very important cause why I felt
>>"Welp, I love it when problems resolve themselves"

And the response to that statement
>>You seriously know nothing about Shingen as a character. If she was really dead, we would have followed about five minutes later in a suicide rush against fucking Madara.
is very spot on.
Because I knew the Shingen from the updates and not the Shingen from the players input and discussion. From what I learned about him in the updates, he wouldn't have been THAT upset about her death. Sure, he would sulk for a while but then he would just get on with his life and pursue his other goals.

I just catch bits and pieces from other posts but generally don't read them all. Guess that was the reason why I didn't understand what kind of a massive shock her death would have been for him.

>>17244088
>Basically, Nindo's the Game changer level. You can spend chakra or grit to do something, but spending Nindo changes something BIG. Forever. Remember how Jako had a hard-time controlling himself before? No longer an issue. That's why nindo's a big deal.

So he can control himself now? Great!

But how does it work exactly? I mean, how is it activated?
For our own Nindou we need some kind of line (like "I will control the world") ... so, do we need to fulfill that line to use Nindou or what?

>>17243880

I can see how Five Nations is based off Naruto.

First go around's decent and promises great things in the future. Part two starts off good, gets awesome, and then goes straight to bullshit.

Now that I'm done being witty, I gotta say, I'm not sure who i hate more: THAT BASTARD, or you for even creating that character. Oh my god. There's no WAY he doesn't know we're murdering him at the first semi-plausible opportunity.

He can't be that fucking stupid.

I don't like how we're being forced into this shit, either by him or you. He made a compelling threat in character, and you wouldn't let us do shit about it. And now you're hinting that us being the Patriarch makes us better suited for our plans. While being the exact opposite of what we want, and what's reasonable, and runs counter to the logic of ALL OUR ACTIONS TO DATE.

Though I must say i liked how you managed to punish us for being manipulative and skilled liars by forcing this down our fucking throat. Because he thinks we're better than we are because we were LIEING.

The problem is, there's no way out of our current situation right now that doesn't involve us being fucked over horribly.

Shit like this is why you're being accused of railroading by the way.

So, here's an idea from the IRC.

Strings of Heaven
The user sends out chakra strings which latch on to an opponent's chakra nodes. By using the chakra strings as a conductor, Lightning Chakra is forced directly into the opponent's chakra system, completely burning them out.

Pre-requisites: Hyuuga Kekkei Genkai, lvl 5 Gentle Fist, lvl 3 Puppetry, lvl 3 Lightning Style Knowledge, Chakra Control 6+, Prodigy

Reasons why: The Hyuuga fighting style is based upon being able to see and directly effect an opponent's chakra system. Shingen also saw chakra strings and puppetry in action. Finally, he saw that chakra-created conductors can be used to conduct lightning chakra, just like electricity and copper wires. By combining all three together, he is able to replicate in a small way the two-person jutsu he performed with Haruko.

An extension of this is to force a genjutsu through the chakra strings and control the person's body via their chakra system.
This additionally requires lvl 5 Genjutsu Knowledge, lvl 5 Medical Knowledge. Other requirements may also apply.

This version of the technique is meant to be at a Kage level.

I believe, however, that we need to focus on Fuuinjutsu Knowledge right now. We still have a curse seal on our head, and we never learned how to use the seals, even against other Branch Members.

>>17244143
I don't understand why people hat the ex-patriarch THAT much. Can someone explain.

Sure, he fucked up several long-term plans, but it isn't like he knew about them.

>>17244121

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17198013/

Starting with 17212567, towards the end of the thread, there's an amazing breakdown of the how and why Shingen thinks and acts.

I'd recommend reading the archives carefully, but this is good enough that it's worth memorizing.

>>17244143
>While being the exact opposite of what we want, and what's reasonable, and runs counter to the logic of ALL OUR ACTIONS TO DATE.
This part I don't understand. What part of gaining more political power, and finally a plausible shot at treating with other Clan leaders as equals, goes against our plans?
Shooting for this kind of power was part of the original Shingen plan.

What could we conceivably have done as a useful, but ultimately expendable, diplomat?

>>17244153

Besides the part that he fucked us, and then threatened us to cooperate by threatening our family?

The man is literally the personification of everything we hate about our clan. And we got a lot of hate for our clan.

How much do we hate our clan? To quote an Earlier Anon:
>Someone laid out the metaphor of carving 'fuck this clan' being carved into the moon large enough to be seen by the naked eye wasn't QUITE strong enough to express our feelings.

There's also the fact that he didn't remove the seal, meaning we're effectively his bitch. This wasn't just him screwing with us normally, this was him going out of his way to put a fucking leash on us and makes us a puppet ruler.

And that's BARELY scratching the surface of his dickery.

>>17244169
Well yeah, but it's a perfectly logical thing for him to do. I still want to kill him in some way, but I don't begrudge the man in ensuring his own power and position, as well as turning someone expendable into a decoy target.

>>17244050
And Hashirama still beat him, canon.

>>17244143
Ok, you're the one who's really the pissed off party. You're also the only one who is not exactly being constructive rather than accusatory. I am somewhat confused about why you are so vehement, but I'll take it as a compliment.

>You wouldn't let us do shit about it.
Go and attack him in the night, something that I'm sure you would have supported.

>Opposite of what we want
Being the leader of a nationally respected Clan rather than being "Batman" is so much a downgrade from our power and is completely counter.

>No way out of our current situation
Others have brought this up beyond myself. Exactly how does anything from this point "fuck you over" horribly?

I'm pretty sure you're taking the fact that I'm not catering to your whim as a personal assault. A fact for which I am sorry we are in disagreement.

>>17244050
You have a point about the book. But as I said, the book is being updated, as well as the rules.

I promise you guys that the game will flow much better and with infinitely fewer questions come the new year. I'm working really hard on v2. So if you can just bear with me for 15 more days.

I will admit to being less permissive partly due to our origin as a character, but yes, I may have yoked a little too hard.

>>17244162

>Shooting for this kind of power was part of the original Shingen plan.

Yes, and no. Our long term plan IS actually for the good of the world (or at least the part of it that's the fire nation). Part of it just happens to involve becoming the Hokage.

The plan was basically to manipulate people into liking us, and then getting people to come together to form Kohona. Madara doesn't trust the Senju some of the other clans don't want the head of another clan to be the new ninja fucking king. An extremely competent political outsider with strong, relate able connections to everybody, no particular bias towards their own clan (if they have one), powerful foreign allies, great ninja and all around beloved guy.... We'd make ourselves the perfect candidate, and then make somebody go 'What about Shingen?'

>What could we conceivably have done as a useful, but ultimately expendable, diplomat?

I think I've already explained everything but 'expendable'. Most of the 'good' endings mean Inari is at our side openly, whether or not we end up getting with her (either alone or harem ending).

This means clearing her name.

This Involves Talking to Madara.

This Involves revealing a lot of uncomfortable truths to him, and then what amounts to black-mail.

Going in there as a clan head would be fucking stupid. We can't do it now, until we give up our fucking power. Which means we're racing the fucking clock with a penalty, because of THAT BASTARD.

>>17244196
Man, I don't even care about the system that much.
I just like the Quests in general and having a Naruto based quest which is not pants-on-head-retarded is pretty damn sweet.

>>17244207
Well, fair enough. I'm glad to have people along for just the story.

I guess that's why, in part, we're all up in arms like this. It's important to us.

So, airing of grievances aside, let's head back into our story.

--------------------------

Your newfound position of power aside, the world has shifted very slightly. Clanmates look at you with a mixture of respect and apprehension, made twofold since your actual acceptance into the position of Patriarch. The subtle feeling you seem to gather is that everyone seems to be waiting for everyone else to do something, either talk to you or attack you.

Since the wedding your sister has remained in her chambers, isolated. Your brother and his wife have been enjoying their home in the Main Branch, and your Father has been working on his painting.

Little seems to be of pressing importance giving you a long span of time to decide on a course of action. Jako stops you one day and asks, "So, Shingen, what are we going to do? I am eager for a fight."

>>17244232

Fight?.... Are we supposed to fight as a clan-head?
What are our responsibilities anyway.

Aside from that, I think our priority should be removing the damn Seal first. What options do we have here? Iirc, there are bunch of scrolls we can learn from, right?

>>17244200
>An extremely competent political outsider with strong, relate able connections to everybody
But we're not a political outsider. We're a Hyuuga, and we'll always be a Hyuuga. There's no getting around that. And if we cut our ties with our Clan, then that makes us a rogue shinobi and a threat to the entire shinobi culture.
Also, by becoming the Patriarch, we finally have the power to clean house and fix some of the problems with our Clan.

Trying to be a political outsider trying to come in would be an extreme long-shot, and not a truly feasible plan.

>>17244232
We need to learn enough about this seal on our head, and seals in general, for us to do something about it. That has to be our first and primary goal right now.

>>17244251
Responsibilities include the following.

-Assigning and managing missions
-Sorting out intra-Clan disputes
-Handling international relationships.
-Furthering the future of the Clan through marriage, promotion, and training of new-blood.
-And, most importantly, maintaining your strength as an individual so you can defend your Clan if it comes down to that.

>>17244258
So...
Any disputes that need handling?
Or missions to assign?

What are our option maintaining and improving our strength?

>>17244182

>Go and attack him in the night, something that I'm sure you would have supported.

When? Before he gave us power and was having us watched like a hawk?

During the week you glossed over?

Now, when he's in the house of the fucking king and attacking him would be treason, not to mention that our stealth sucks and he never removed the seal that he can instant kill us with?

I wouldn't support that plan, because I'm not a fucking idiot.

>Being the leader of a nationally respected Clan rather than being "Batman" is so much a downgrade from our power and is completely counter.

Yes. The powerboost is what we didn't want. For reasons we have elaborated on left and right since it was first offered.

And fuck Batman, that's a running joke nobody takes serious. We wanted to not be on the throne, because that implies BIAS. The implied BIAS is going to FUCK us.

At least by any reasonable examination of how politics as conducted by stealth-based wizard assassins would work. Even the tiniest reason to not trust? FUCKED.

Then again, a lot of shit I've seen in the quest seems to run on insane troll logic, so maybe I'm just setting the bar too high, either intellectually or politically.

>>17244267

>I'm pretty sure you're taking the fact that I'm not catering to your whim as a personal assault.

Actually, no. I understand that it's a collective game. If I happen to vote with the minority, I shouldn't expect to get my way unless i can sway hearts and minds. I've left quests before just because we were getting screwed by bad choices and I was the only one suggesting maybe trying to bail water from the sinking ship.

I'm not mid-tard rage over not getting my way, I pissed off because shit like this has potential. i was a big fucking fan of Naruto before it started to suck. In you, a person who some some distant glimmer of awesome underneath the mountain of shit that was Naruto Canon, I saw a kindred spirit. Watching this quest turn into the same bullshit that made me quit watching the show is painful in the way you feel watching a childhood friend drink themselves into an early grave.

So hey, /rant. But whatever. You don't see the problems, you're having fun. Good on you i guess. I just had high hopes is all. I'll stop spoiling your fun and shit.

>>17244267
>>17244269

You know what? Felt good to get that out of my system. Purged a few bad spirits.

Sorry the post turned up AFTER the talk about 'problems' apparently ended, but I've now officially said my piece.

So now I'm out for real.

>>17244256
This

>>17244277
Good, finally.
Maybe now we can get something productive done, instead of betting everything on an outside chance that has little chance of succeeding.

>>17244232
What we need now, more than anything, is solidarity. We need make an impact with the hyuuga, with the senju, with the entire land of fire. I vote we start a campaign to drive the samurai out of the land of fire completely, it will strengthen the bonds we've already made with the other clans, it will reinforce our standing as a resolute leader, it will sate Jako's hunger for battle, and it will force Emiko out of her brooding. Most importantly, it will serve as a distraction while we search for a solution for our cursed seal problems.

>>17244232
"Well that really depends. I have quite a bit to do before I can safely hand over the reigns so I need to get somethings in order, I'm lacking in information. First I will summon the heads of the branch houses. I will have them create a report of current concerns and grievances that they harbor so that I can better understand the state of my clan. I will also have each of them give me a candid evaluation of the last 5 years for all the houses in detail including their own so that they may sing their own praises. Following that we can find out if there's any fighting that needs to be done. Depending on what I learn I may not have to worry about anything major, or I may have to take some direct action. So stick with me until I have more info eh Jako?"

We may also consider making a new position of "right hand of the patriarch" or something seneschal like for our brother so when we transition our rule to him he already has a rapport with the major players of the clan.

>>17244267
>>17244269

I'm really trying to find a reason to hate you for this, and I'm failing.

Even the bits i disagreed with, I can't help but respect that you just laid it out.

>>17244284
>>17244256

Yeah, seals should be taking up all time not needed for other things.

>>17244290
This sounds like it could work. Everyone is against the samurai; if we coordinated our efforts, it could lead to better cooperation between the different Fire clans, and would set the foundation of a lasting peace treaty.

The problem will be in getting everyone to agree to such an expenditure. The Senjuu and the Aburame probably won't be too difficult to sway, but what arguments will we use with the Uchiha?

>>17244285

You know, that was pretty unwarranted and venomous.

Honesty was asked for, Honesty he gave, and then he left after he 'said his piece'.

I don't really agree with him either, but you sound like a spiteful cunt.

>>17244269

>Watching this quest turn into the same bullshit that made me quit watching the show is painful in the way you feel watching a childhood friend drink themselves into an early grave.

Holy shit.

I honestly had no idea you felt that strongly, for those reasons.

I just kinda thought you were a dick, and now I feel bad that you're leaving.

Seriously, that's like the most depressing thing I've seen on 4chan today, and /b/ had a BAWW thread earlier.

>>17244182

>And Hashirama still beat him, canon.

This fails to reassure me.

At all.

>>17244232

>So, airing of grievances aside, let's head back into our story.

Goddammit I still had shit to say.

Fuck it, i needed to go to bed an hour ago.

>>17244310
I'll admit, the Uchiha are the last group of people that would agree to any sort of willing cooperation between clans. However, I'm willing to bet their greed will win out in the end- the chance to eliminate another competitor and prove their power? That's something the Uchiha will waste no time taking advantage of if we present it properly.

>>17244313
I only responded to honesty with honesty. That's how I feel, how he made me feel, and I have no regrets in expressing them.

>>17244088

>My fucking carefully planned psychological mind-fuck silver tongued fucking post. I don't write that good EVER.

THAT WAS YOU?

Damn it, that shit was golden.

Were it in my power, I would rewind the quest to right there JUST for her response.

Also, sorry I'm a bit behind, just got here, still catching up.

>>17244360
Okay, if we're going to get the Uchiha on board, we need to convince them that this'll be a chance for them to show up the Senjuu's. They may agree if that looks possible to them.
How should we word the invitation, and what would the campaign entail?

Since this is before the samurai were forced out of the Five Nations, wouldn't they have villages that support them? Should we strike at those, make a sort of contest to see who can wipe out the most samurai towns?

>>17244366

I actually disagree with the 'little chance of working' thing.

Yeah, it looks like that now. But we also didn't get to do it, the way we wanted to do it, when we were going to do it.

Hind-sights a bitch.

>>17244310
This is an excellent idea. However, I would hesitate committing the full force of the Clan to it, since missions do need to be done.

>>17244394
Right, we still have to complete our daily bread-and-butter missions.

Maybe we could ask for a small team from each Clan, perhaps 4 representatives each. Then we create mixed teams, of 1 person from each clan in each team, and have them attack the samurai.

Obviously there will be friction amongst team members, but working together and resolving those personal conflicts is the true purpose of the exercise.
We would be able to show the three other clans that working together for a greater good is possible, and profitable.

>>17244293
Any opinions if this is a good or bad idea guys?

Getting the clans to form a power bloc to sweep out the shinobi sounds like it has potential. Though it would probably take some time to coordinate and get everyone on the same page.

>>17244383
We need to play off their recent loss while being tactful and selective with our wording to avoid invoking their wrath. It's of utmost importance that we keep plugging honor and glory to make the Uchiha more pliable to our cause.
>>17244394
Indeed, only Hyuuga that are skilled and aren't confined by a current mission will be considered.

>>17244422
Getting reports, I can agree with.
The second-in-command position, while I understand that it would be a good position to make from a long-term position, in the short-term I think it's better to keep all of the power concentrated in our hands so that we can better push our policies through.

>>17244293
"I have no desires to leave you anytime soon, Shingen. I like working at your side." He admitted with a slight smile."

As for your idea, that's up to you guys.

>>17244444
Quints. And I need to head out for a little bit, 20 minutes or so.

>>17244444
I support getting the ball rolling on the Clan status reports.
It'll take time to finish, so might as well start now. Also, information from it may affect our plan on getting the other clans to support a Final Solution to the Samurai Problem.

>>17244436
Oh I forgot to mention a rider that accompanied the position though it may be a good idea to wait as you suggest. Basically there would be a rider clause that protected bro's children from being bumped down to a branch house and ideally would be the first step in weakening the strict caste system that houses have.

>>17244444
So... are we gonna work on that seal or not?

And getting report which missions must be completed and a list of shinobi with their abilities who can complete them.

>>17244444
Make sure that any time not spent executing our duties as Patriarch, is spent learning Fuuinjutsu and the intricacies of the seal on our head.

>>17244464
Well if we want to live we need to be seen as a potential ally for the varying houses. We need to play some politics I think in order to buy the time we need for researching the seal. We'll probably need to raise a skill or two up just to understand it. We also need to get the Deceit skill asap. So maybe we can juggle downtime researching the seal with governance while learning to lie better. Like we take the slow training option to offset our penalties for being distracted but we split our attention evenly between learning about the seal and becoming a better patriarch.

>>17244509
We can probably ply Diplomacy into deceit, and making the Houses put together those reports should buy us some time.

Our biggest ally, and threat, is Ran. We originally told her that we'd only keep power for a few weeks, but this plan of all out war against the samurai will take longer than that. We need to bring bring her and Kumo into our planning sessions, so that she can see that the situation isn't one where we let go of power yet.

>>17244641
>Our biggest ally, and threat, is Ran. We originally told her that we'd only keep power for a few weeks, but this plan of all out war against the samurai will take longer than that.

Never understood why that was done.
Playing as a lying deceiving fuck and at the same time give such a hefty promise? Should have left some room for flexibility if things don't go as intended, like not actually giving the exact date.

>>17244653
I don't know why they did, but they did, and now we have to clean up the mess.

I have a question.

Why are people saying that we can't achieve the aim of Hokage (or whatever we end up calling it in this setting) if we're the clan leader? In the actual series, Hashirama became First Hokage. He was the leader of the Senju Clan. The other guy who was lined up to take the title was Madara, leader of the Uchihas.

I don't quite understand the argument? I understand that it means others can (will?) use the bias argument against us, but the precedent is there within the setting for a sufficiently awesome clan leader to become Kage. It might even be easier to convince the Uchiha that we're at least not going to fuck them if we marry one (Inari, even if she is a traitorous bitch) of them.

>>17244655
>>17244481
>>17244464

Yes, we're going to work on seals. So, ok, I'm heading to bed. Tomorrow when I come back I would appreciate if we had a clear plan.

So far we're going to get the heads of Clans together to try and discuss the Final Samurai Solution. Additionally we're going to study seals.

>>17244798

We also want to gather information on the status of the clan, current issues, grievences, what each House thinks of themselves and others and who's who at the high level of Hyuuga Clan management.

I did make some suggestions previously which were 'find out where the previous Patriarch is at' and 'start down-time training and seal-searching, while trying to start solid clan relations with our personal friends'

To that, I suggest that we do a quick overview of important Hyuugas - we have Seven Brance Houses to look over. Just a brief description of the important players is all we need, OP.

We also need anyone who we can use to run interferance with Ran (A rival, a lover, something that will direct her away from us) - and if that won't work, we should just quietly send her out to kill Samuari. Not sure if we should do it alone, or not.