>>16920186
>hand him a business card
>mfw
Well, we know where to find him if we need him. Let's continue off to the Chaos Gate and give Ahriman that ring so he can piss off back to the Warp and we can get back to the big picture mission-picking stuff.

>>16920186
Give him a bottle of the finest wine we have as a gift/way of saying thanks.
Also if Tom doesn't mind, could we ask him if the Door of Night doesn't merely lead 'outside the universe' but a place of containment?
Like is Melkor trapped in the Void, unable to access other universes, or is he in the outside and in-between?

>>16920186
Okay! We're going to have Darius hand the Ring to Ahriman in the Containment Box.
Have the other away teams standby for a combat transport; we're not fully trusting Ahriman yet.

Get the information on the Event that he has, and make sure that the Chaos gate closes as he leaves.

>>16920241
Meh, I'd rather keep containment tech to ourselves. He claims to have his own means to examine it safely, let him do his own thing.

As for Tom, ask him to keep an eye on things, we'll stop back someday to make sure things are going well.

>>16920228
Tom doesn't respond, just winking at the inquiry before he dances away.

>>16920241
"Ah, I see you finally arrive to complete your part of the bargain," Ahriman says, looking up from the data slates. He gestures with one hand and the containment box floats over to him. "With this in hand and the information you've given me, my business here is finished."

>>16920375
"Not so fast. Tell us what you know of the event. It will aid us in many ways."

>>16920375
A pleasure doing business with you, but I believe you also agreed to give information on the multiversal 'event'?

>>16920375
"I believe that information on the Event which caused cascading reality distortions and crossovers was part of the deal. Before you leave, please turn release such information to us."

>>16920375
Event details pls.
Also, ask him if he's satisfied with the ring we're giving him.

We're almost done here. When we get back to base:
We need to replace the fallen KI and X-com soldiers
We need to get anti-magic and anti-psionics
Owing to how much SCIENCE! we're doing, we would do well to get more scientists and some engineers to make the various nifty gadgets.
Many of our losses can be prevented if we get more information on the worlds we enter before we start operations. Who/what would be useful for gathering information about unknown places without putting us at risk? Some upgraded sensors, people/items that gather information by the means of psi/magic, and people with a really canny intuition, are all useful.

Wait, did we already give him the ring?
Damm, he's going to try to screw us.
Get the singularity lasers ready.

>>16920648
It may be safer to let him screw us, rather than provoke a fight with him.
Yes, it's a weak and timid approach. On the other hand, it's Ahriman, he merits it.

>>16920662
Indeed. I mean we fought Sauron's forces and lost what? Seven people?
Ahriman can probably take at least one of our ships down with him.

"Yes, the ring is fine for my purposes. As for the Event, as you call it... I was within the Warp at the time. I saw a small ship appear from nowhere and be beset by daemons before detonating some sort of device that destroyed them. It bore a hole through the Warp and this world next in order to leave, and I exerted myself to keep that hole open while my servants labored to construct a gateway. When it was completed, we stepped through and I sent my mind's eye to learning about this strange place."

Ahriman seems to chuckle. "The deal was for what I knew of the Event. In truth, I know almost nothing at all about it, save it propelled that ship near me, which allowed me to travel here. But... there are a few things I did hear, borne to my ears over the cacophony of screams within the Warp when it was stirred by that calamity. From those whispers I deduced three things. This... Event as you call it, was caused by something called a 'S.T.O.B.' Secondly, it is an acronym, though I do not know for what. Thirdly, it, and devices like it, are being sought fiercely by at least two factions, one of which appears like the dark reflection of the forces of Chaos."

>>16920676
Did we actually lose anyone? I think there were some casualties, but ones we can eventually put back together.

Which reminds me, I'm hoping we remembered to clear the field of our debris as well. We'll have to look at getting that one marine's armor repaired while he floats in a tank.

>>16920724
You were very helpful. Thanks, Ahriman.

>>16920724

Wonder how he'll react to a request to go back to his own universe.

>>16920724
Perhaps we can do business again in the future, if you were to hear anything more, or find any other rents in reality. We choose to deal fairly with you, and ask only that you do not meddle in the Order of other realities should you find one again.

>>16920724
You have already been very helpful indeed Ahriman.
Enjoy your meeting with Trazyn the Infinite, I'm sure you'll find it most enlightening.

>Dark reflection of the forces of chaos
Well that about settles that then...

>>16920724
I'm betting the STOB is from one of those crossover fictions, but I haven't read enough to figure out which one.
For now, I'll assume it stands for "Small transparent orange ball", as pictured.

>>16920816
Wait, I thought we didn't end up offering that.
Thought it was Rivendell library + ring = Event info + gtfo.

>>16920848
So this quest is like DBZ or something?

>>16920814
>>16920760
"my thanks to you Ahriman for the much needed information, i hope we can do business again in the future, if you were to hear anything more, or find any other rents in reality. We choose to deal fairly with you, and ask only that you do not meddle in the Order of other realities should you find one again."
so what do you guys think of this combination of posts?

It seems my time under this name shall come to end. We've done Middle-Earth proud men, and we got a few relics out of it. We of course shall return these items, but if we have need of them they will be more than helpful. Darius alone was worth the Cairn of Fingolfin. Also we should thank Ahriman, if not for his presence we wouldn't have known of that Shipper trying to foul up things.

Stand ever vigilant against the imprudent forces of the S.U.E., Transpace Guard. But before I go, I have one last word of advice. We need to make sure Melkor the Morgoth can't access other realities in the void.

Tolkienfag signing out.

>>16920899
thanks for the help Tolkienfag!

>>16920899
You did well, soldier. Godspeed. Due to the fact that this is my name in the Editors ring, I'l be sticking around. However, my memories of you shall be fond, and your future, Anonymous contributions will be as helpful as ever.

>>16920878
"Indeed," Ahriman says as he gestures. One by one the Thousand Sons vanish back through the gateway until only Ahriman remains.

"I must thank you for being such useful tools. When I first arrived here and noted that this place was not connected to the Warp, which fuels my magic, I was rather concerned at my chances of retrieving the items I had come to desire. But thanks to you, such worries were baseless. Farewell, ring-hunters."

Then he too, turns and steps through, leaving only the stone archway and its purple-pink portal behind.

The Storm scans the planet and the only distortion it can find is the gateway. Once you destroy that, the area will be clean.

>>16920899
Nah we're keeping the swords. Gurthang will return to its owner no matter what we do, we have Ringil for one hundred years (which I'm pretty sure we can manage) and those other swords are ours by right of salvage.

>>16920921
Well, it seems what has come around must go around. Destroy the gate quietly, with planted charges most likely, and let us be on our way as soon as possible.

>>16920921
Well lads. Let's plant the C4 and get out.

>>16920899
It is my sincere hope you linger as another Anonymous, even if you discard your name. If not, I'm glad you had fun and wish you well.

>>16920921
...Let's leave this part out of our report.

You know you guys want me to keep the name. I just want to get rid of it because it's a little attention whoring of me to keep a name.

Anyways, peace out guys. If ever Darius needs speech written with a touch of awesomeness, I shall write it.

>>16920921
Oh that Ahriman, he got us good.

>>16920899
I can't wait until we have to face Dark Brain. The fucker's hand slams through whole planets casually.

>>16920921
DAMN IT! we should have checked whether or not Ahriman had a connection to the warp here!

>>16920935
Don't worry I'll hang around.

>>16920962
>mfw
I wouldn't worry about it, he probably thinks we're going to leave the portal alone. Oh C4, you so crazy.

>>16920962
not that it matters now, "sigh" let's just destroy the portal and be with this world. Unless we have more to do

>>16920989
"be done"
derp

>>16920921

Welp....

At least this will make him more predisposed to not melting our faces off if/when we chance upon him in the 40k-verse.

>>16920957
>>Dark Brain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGSt2FsJOdI

I guess we just assumed that 'being able to resist being beamed into space' meant 'being able to destroy us all'?

>>16921047
He's Ahriman. His reputation precedes him. That doesn't make us any less dumb for not checking. We've got be much better about doing our diagnostics in the future.

Look at it this way guys: we minimized contact between Ahriman and Sauron.

I don't think it would've bode well for this canon if Ahriman shared a fraction of his knowledge with Sauron in exchange for a ring.

The portal detonates nicely as Demoman plies his trade. As the stone gateway erupts into a column of flame, he wipes away a tear.

"Ach, it's been so long since I hadda time ta leisurely plan out a demolition... Take it slow and do it right without bein' shot at... Ah.... Tis beautiful."

Alright, OP delivers!
Now let's blow this gate and head back to base.

>>16921077
Ahh, wonderful. Now, let's get out of here.

>>16921056
Was checking something we could have done? I mean the initial scan to confirm Ahriman's identity should also have confirmed his power, if such a thing was something our scans could verify?
Like if one of our Marines was able to notice that 'hey wait a second, the Warp doesn't exist here' you'd think they would have told us.
I suspect the only way we would have known would be to have called Ahriman's bluff.

>>16921056
Still, the fact that he had an interdiction field capable of defeating both Federation and Asgard beaming technology meant that he wasn't as powerless as he implied, either.

I mean, look at the Aurors, for instance. They're out of their native Canon, but their magic works just fine here as it does back there.

Even if some of Ahriman's greater Warp powers were cut off, he still had his weapons, and other powers as well.

>>16921077
Before we pick up Spike and the Sandmen and leave, make sure that the Shipper's vessel is properly secured within our transit field.
Also make note of the local temporal coordinates; we've still got that elf we rescued in one of the reconstruction tanks.
We'll need to return him here to the proper time and place, after wiping his memory, if he doesn't join up with us.

>>16921139
oh yeah i forgot about him.

>>16921139
>mfw
Forgot completely about Sandman and whats his face- SEE! Anyways, that elf could be useful if he joins us. Maybe if we have some luck he is a smith. Gurthang needs to be fixed somehow.

Now, let's get out of here. Like I said.

Unless I missed something...

Spoils: Ringil. The Black Arrow. Partially Restored Ring of Sindri. Smaug's Diamonds. Nameless Blade. Voiceless Spear. Gaurthang (broken). Anguirel

You complete the journey home in an instant as is usual. You are greeted by the visage of the base's chief communicators officer, Lt. Eliza as you approach the dock.

"Welcome back, Storm. Sector Manager Holtz is currently resting, but should be ready to receive your report in an hour or so. How did your mission go?"

>>16921283
...We encountered Ahriman and through some high-stakes diplomacy were able to convince him to leave without disrupting the Canon, and he even provided valuable information on the Event.
We also successfully captured a shipper before she could disrupt the Canon, and she seemed to possess a potent anti-Daemon weapon, though we have been unable to identify it at this point in time.

>>16921283
>Unless I missed something...
Well, there's the Shipper vessel, our prisoner, and the elf who's in the reconstruction tank maybe getting his brain rebooted and his soul violently pulled back from the Halls.

>How did your mission go?
"We had some fatalities, fortunately light. We've also got a prisoner from the Shipper's Union. We've impounded her vessel, and I'm transmitting over all of the evidence we've got on her. I'm transferring her over to Sector HQ custody."

>>16921283
Middle earth: SAVED.
Losses: 4 Knights Inductor and 2 X-com veterans.
We also have a Shipper from the Shipper Federation, and have seized her vessel. Take a look at the evidence we collected on her - slave smuggling, trying to date-rape members of a canon, among other crimes.
Would you like to hold her? I'm afraid I'm ignorant on transpace law, but no doubt with the evidence we've collected, she may be bought to justice.

Finally, what do you know about the acronym "S.T.O.B."? Apparently, a device by that name caused The Event.

>>16921283
"It went swimmingly. Only seven losses of our men, wish it could have come at a lesser price, but canon integrity maintained. I will of course will be able to give a full report later. How have things been while we were away?"

>>16921283
>>16921333
"Interestingly Arhiman claims that the chaos vessel that keeps popping up is a dark reflection of chaos, does this mean anything to you? We have also confirmed that warp based powers do not work in every universe."

>>16921283

While we probably should not mention this to the bridge staff, we might want to make a note in the report that the Shipper's bomb managed to bore a hole in the Warp and straight into another Canon.

Although that might not be news, since TG is an organization that was formed specifically to deal with people who breach canons or disrupt reality.

>>16921338
>and his soul violently pulled back from the Halls.
If his body had dead completely, his Fae(spirit) would go to the halls. I don't think he's there just yet.

Someone please tell me how Uruk-hai weapons went straight through astartes power armor hard enough to kill SMs.

>>16921396
No, that just be dumb. They got crushed by Trolls though.

And I'm a huge fan of Tolkien, and Warhammer 40k fluff is nothing in comparison.

>>16921338
Ah yes, I forgot the Shipper Ship.

"Sounds like you had quite the time. We'll begin refuel and resupply procedures right away. Manager Holtz left a guideline for you based on how much space-time was restored to normal on your return. Let me check the instruments here..."

The S-T map appears on your screen.

"Good job! Not quite a lynchpin, a fair amount of that is residual from the Bomb incident, but still, good job! With that much, you can requisition two more troop squads."

>>16921396
the Uruk-Kai were in Isengard not Mordor

>>16921427
Very well and good.

Troop Choice Recommendations
>White Mages, FF1
>Krogan Infantry, ME2

>>16921427

What's that other grey world? While we R&R and perform R&D at the base, let's send one of the ships to scout that out.

>>16921432
Sauron has his own Uruk-hai. They look far different from Isengard Uruk-hai. It was Sauron who gave the knowledge of making these "True Orcs,"(What Uruk-hai means In black speech) to Isengard.

>>16921443
If we get FFT White Mages instead, we can multiclass them and have Time Mage/Summoner/Ninja as their subclass.

>>16921427
Two more troop squads, no equipment, no heroes, no ships?
Hmm. We need people who can grant us resistance to Psi and Magic, or who can help us gather information.

I'd go with some of the various Psions from D&D 3.5, for both magic fuckery and info gathering.
Not sure what to take for the other squad.

We keep saying that we want some anti magic capabilites so why not some abjurers?

Troop Recomendations
>Abjurers, D&D
>Clan Elementals, Battletech

>>16921466
oh ok, thanks for clearing that up

>>16921472
Very good point. Time Mages might be very useful if we need to do a re-roll of the /tg/ dice.

>FFT White Mages
>Krogan Infantry

>>16921427
Troop 1: X-COM Scientists, TFTD-era. Provide us with underwater weaponry, in case we have to go diving again. Apocalypse-era ones would give us dimensional theory and mechanics, as well as knowledge of personal shields and cloaking devices.

Now, some people have been wanting a way to get on-the-ground info without endangering out troops.
I recommend using one of the Troop Requisitions as an Equipment Requisition.
We can either spend it on Predator UAV drones, M.A.L.P.'s from Stargate Canon, and other drones.
Another choice are Small Soldiers Commando Set. They're small, artificially intelligent, and expendable.

>>16921396
Your forces massacred about 300 orcs, 20 trolls, and 6 fell-beasts. All of the fatalities were done by the trolls and the beasts. There were a few times BLU members respawned due to orc arrows, though.

>>16921333
"I'll send your log to the archives right away. They might be able to identify it."

>>16921346
>>16921338
"Roger that. I'll send a pair of MPs to pick her up. We'll handle the legalities here. Good work!"

>>16921367
"I'm not sure... I'll pass that along to Holtz when he wakes up."

>>16921347
"Nothing new to report yet. The scout team is due back in a few days, though. Hopefully they'll bring back some good news, but just between us, they haven't been doing quite as good a job as you guys have. That's to be expected though, they're mostly rookies."

Troop choices eh?
I'm going to sort through by D&D rulebooks to see if there are any organizations suited to our purposes.

>>16921476
"Only Holtz is authorized to sign off on those. You'll have to wait until he's up and has read your report to receive the additional funding to get them."

>>16921501
Order Seropaenas from Tome of Magic?
They are a division of witch hunters from churches of all alignments used to going up against things with bizarre abilities (Binders)

We already have enough crazy bezerker soldiers. My votes for Psions and FFT White Mages.

>>16921488
AFAIK Time Mage skills don't cover rewind, but have haste/slow and METEOR.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Mage_%28Final_Fantasy_Tactics%29

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Mage_%28Final_Fantasy_Tactics_Advance%29

>>16921488
Actually, we've got enough front-line infantry as we stand. Changing...

>FFT White Mages/Time Mages
>Archadian Mages, FF12

Can anyone think of a troop choice that'd be good at gathering information via prescience, clairvoyance, or telepathy?

>>16921533
Seer Council?

>>16921367
>We have also confirmed that warp based powers do not work in every universe.
No we haven't.
All we have is Ahriman saying that. We have no independent confirmation or experimental verification that this is true at all.

All you have is an off-hand remark by a being who has every reason to deceive us concerning the limits of his powers. That is nowhere near confirmation.

>>16921541
that might work, anyone else?

Question: Can we recruit people from History as well? How bout movies or tv shows.

It would be badass to get the Unit on board with us.

Anyone know of any Mind-mages or something similar? That should provide psi protection, some information-gathering by mind reading, and a way to non-lethally stop an attacker.

Any comments on doing >>16921456 ? Guys?

>>16921570
You don't have any independently interdimensional vessels. Currently your fleet relies upon The Oncoming Storm to pull them through to other worlds.

>>16921570
The Oncoming Storm is the only ship with a transit drive.

The Shipper's ship is impounded as evidence, and it's not ours.

>>16921569
Non-lethal?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mystic

So, it seems we're leaning towards some Magicians that can protect us from magic and psi, some Magicians with utility spells, and also some Magicians that can gather information with Magic.
Is this basically correct?

If we want some infiltrators and a group that we can just let loose without having to babysit I highly recommend a small group of Envoys from the altered carbon series?
Here's a a quick description of them;
> An Envoy, is type of futuristic soldier, part intelligence operative and part shock trooper, and trained to adapt quickly to new bodies and new environments. Envoys are used by the governing Protectorate to infiltrate and crush planetary unrest and maintain political stability. Envoy training is actually a form of psychospiritual conditioning that operates at subconscious levels. Envoys possess total recall and are able to discern subtle patterns within seemingly unrelated events. They possess a thorough understanding of body language and vocal tonality, such that they can discern intention and manipulate others with ease. They are able to control their physiological and psychological responses, such as fear and anger, at will. Another aspect that figures prominently in an Envoy's training is the systematic removal of every violence-limiting instinct a human is born with.

>>16921600
Ok, don't hurt me when I say this, but that description paints them as "Perfect for anything you can think of operators who are also fucking amazing diplomats and have the perception of that one dude from Psych."

It sounds totally Mary Sueish. There, I said it.

>>16921600
I'm a bit worried about encountering any "Shoot anyone in this building on sight" forces we might come up against. Even the best infiltrator can't bullshit his way past SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.

>>16921580

Well, at least R&Ding and fabricating add-on equipment to the VF-25's and Hyaku Shiki for use in-atmosphere?

1. Mobility (The Hyaku Shiki cannot really perform sustained flight in the atmosphere but has high jumping ability and can push hard enough to avoid falling for a time. ).

2. Extra weapons. Thinking crowd control and infantry-support.

Let's get our X-COM scientists to come up with stuff.

>>16921628
We're working the scientists hard enough as it is. >.>

>>16921628
Just get a SFS like the Dodai II for the Shiki. It's what they're made for. The Messiahs should have come with FAST packs for space operations. An Armor pack or two would be nice though.

>>16921632
If we don't acquire the add-on packs then we run out of mech support options that don't involve risking Battlemechs/Destroids getting buttfucked by dogpiling.

>>16921600
Have you considered the cost of such an operative, and of the sleeves we would need to keep on-hand?
Just one is on-par with half a dozen Hero-class requisitions.

>>16921641
We DO have the Super Packs. What we don't have are equivalents to the Tornado Pack or (an atmosphere-friendly version of the) Armor Pack.

>>16921642
And at the moment, "Mech support options" aren't as important to our people as resisting Magic and resisting Mindfucks.
Think of something better to spend the cash on.

>>16921564
Will no one answer this guy. I'd like to know as well.

>>16921641

Well, I would suggest acquiring Victory Gundam Hexas, Tomliatts or the F-91 Mass Production, to replace the Hyaku Shiki I guess? All three are capable of flight in the atmosphere.

>>16921564
Perhaps... BIG perhaps, but we need to check with HQ first. I don't want to alter any 'historically based' Canons. Down that road lies the cluster-fuck of the century.

I'm cool with some Abjurers/Psions from D&D, and also some all-purpose mages from FFT.

Fill me in on what kind of divination / fact-gathering / mind-reading type magic those classes can give us. If I know what information-gathering capacity we have, I'll remember to use it.

For instance: Our Aurors can Scry. We haven't actually been using them to do that for some reason, even though remotely viewing a faraway place would be damn useful.

OP, do our Aurors know any of the fortune-telling magic in the Potterverse? If so, I need to remember to use that, too.

>>16921666
I just don't like seeing unnecessary losses of Space Marines and other troops due to being overrun. We've gotten overrun twice in ground battles already.

I thought we were going to work on getting some
Pariah Ysalimiri?
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/16864773/#16870959

>>16921621
The description is the best one I could find at short notice.
I do see what you mean, however they are never displayed as being unstoppable, a bullet in the right place will stop them just as fast as anyone else.

That being said, I highly recommend the series.

Another possibility would be some contractors from Darker than Black

>>16921564
Movies or TV shows yes. But just plain history? No. But you can get around that if there's a show or movie about them. Documentaries do not count.

>>16921700
Deploying Mechs wasn't useful in the battle where we lost Space Marines.
Getting overrun in land battles is a problem, obviously, but magic support stops that just as easily as Mech support does.

>>16921564
Badass yes, but purposeless for anything except bragging rights.

>>16921677
F91s can't. They are frighteningly maneuverable though, and VSBRs are nasty weapons.

We're mostly good on mechanized support for the moment. More specialized infantry would probably be more useful at the moment, especially since we can't afford anything else at the moment.

>>contractors from Darker than Black

No, they're way too spec ops/infiltration and somewhat unreliable due to RENUMERATIONS.

Most of their abilities and roles are already filled with what we have.

>>16921655
That's a point.

>>16921712
Ok, well guy who posted the question originally.

Can we recruit the Unit. They are pretty damn useful as Operators. More than excellent Infiltration and tactical insertion agents. And awesome at combat. Give them our weaponry and I think they'll prove their worth ten fold.

Anyone here who watched that show. Except for the fourth season that was shit.

>>16921712
I can't think of anyone from History that'd be good at stopping magic or psionic attacks on our troops, because History has a surprising lack of magic and psionic attacks ;)

>>16921730
I'm talking about the BLUE F-91's. Just like the Crossbones, they can FLY in the atmosphere.

If I recall correctly they're equipped internally with Minovsky crafts.

>>16921580
What about refitting our other ships with Interdimensional drives?

>>16921741
We already have Tosh, who is a psychic commando, and the Delta Green operatives, who are all black-ops operatives.

The Unit doesn't give us anything we don't already have, and is just another liability since they have no psionic warfare training like the X-COM veterans, don't come with their own cloaking devices like Terran Ghosts, and can't use magic or have an innate defense against it.

Wonder what happens if we requisition the Gokaigers.

>35 sentai teams for the price of one.

>>16921741
Yes, because we don't already have Delta Greens. Who are basically Spec-op soldiers already.

>>16921725
Not nessarily. They are excellent at infiltration. Intelligence gathering is also something they are more than proficient at. They've proven multiple times they can withstand many forms of torture.

Their faults? They're all human. Each one of them has human weaknesses. Jonas in the first episode shot his window with a 9ml out of reflex. He did JUST get back from a mission though, so he could still have some adrenaline in him.

>>16921764
We would need Ship Upgrade Requisitions. We only have Troop Requisitions right now.

>>16921722

We need a Catapault that throws ignited BTech machinegun ammo. Potential damage: 400 points as fast as the arms can throw them.

That should fix any problems with our mechs not helping ground troops when they can be deployed.

>>16921778
>>16921780
I'll google Delta Greens then. Just got into this quest so yeah. Been with it since, um. Three threads ago. Really like it.

>>16921741
The thing about troops is that we don't know who they are. They might as well be faceless.
The Unit cannot be recruited because we know who they are, they are instead more akin to a bunch of low-level heroes.

>>16921811
Delta Green Operatives are part of a conspiracy that protects the world from the Cthulhu Mythos.

>>16921796
Intel-gathering within societies from their own planet.
We already have Spike, Tosh, the Sandmen, Delta Green, SCP (investigation), and Star-Lord for all of our intel-gathering needs.

The only holes we have are expendable recon resources, immunity/castable protection against magic, psionics, and the Warp.

>>16921796
>Jonas
The fact that they have named characters disqualifies them.

>>16921824
In that case my vote is as follows

>Seer Council, 40K
>Clan Elementals, Battletech or Abjurers, D&D

>>16921837
Really? Well, you know they are from a TV show. But anyways. I guess we should get Magic resistant troops.

>>16921838
Seer Council? One of the higher Eldar organizations within their Craftworld?
You're the one who said that the Warp powers can be blocked off in some Canons, and you want to take along with us to unknown Canons, a group that is solely dependent on the Warp?

>>16921862
look at
>>16921547

Potentially useful choices, based on their utility, ability to protect against a wider variety of stuff, or fill a role that's missing in our team:
>White Mages
>Psions
>Abjurers
>Eldar Farseer
>Pariah Ysalamir (Though perhaps this is a bit too specialised)

Shit we already have:
>Mechs
>Upgrades for mechs
>Spec ops infiltration troops

Shit we already have but could use more of:
>Scientists
>Aurors

>>16921847
You don't understand, if we get say, six SCP troops, those troops are (to us) nameless. They're nobodies, extras, etc. If one soldier does something to distinguish him/herself, like Darius or Mouse, they become a hero and thus get a name.
The Unit, on the other hand, aren't just named characters, they're main characters, which makes them heroes.
This was explained in the first thread.

>>16921862
I'm trying to come up with suggestions.
I will admit that the assumption of warp powers not working was based on Arihimans comment rather than any actual fact.
And as for actually getting a council? I will admit that it is a bit optomistic as well.

However, if it is shown that warp powers do not work in all universes, then how do we know that other powers won't stop working? If we have abilities from lots of different sources then we are more likely to end up with one that works if the others stop working.

>>16921530
>FFT Time/White Mages
Okay, I understand that these give us a lot of flexibility because of their native Canon's Job system of magic learning.
But what do the Archadian Mages give us, that we wouldn't get from a D&D Abjurer, or at least, a Wizard (if we want flexibility and utility) or a Sorceror? Also, which edition are we recruiting from? And what levels will the team be?

>>16921879
thanks for the list anon

>>16921891
I was also under the impression that seer councils could be formed of warlocks and didn't actually need farseers. I don't know this for certain however as I don't actually have the eldar codex.

>>16921900
The Archadians were just thrown out there due to their access to Manufacted Nethicite (anti-magic crystals). They would make effective magic and counter magic units, with possible access to the Rooks.

>The only holes we have are expendable recon resources, immunity/castable protection against magic, psionics, and the Warp.
We could also use someone with uncanny intuition.
We could use some type of long-range mind reader or fortune teller.
We also have far more demands for SCIENCE! than we have available scientists.

But yes, you're right. Recon and Magic protection are our biggest holes, and our troop choices today need to work on that.

FFT White/Blue mages, and Eldar Seer council, fill those roles pretty neatly, so my vote is for that.

>>16921879
>White Mages
I think we should qualify this.
FFT White Mages have the most flexibility and utility, I think. Their Job System from their native Canon allows them to train as other types of spell-casters or even as front-line fighters.
Spells of note: Shell (anti-magic shield), Wall (shields from both magic and physical attacks), Esuna (gets rid of all status ailments, which could also include curses, hexes, and mutations). Then there's the other healing spells, like Cure, Regen, and Revive. I think we can all agree that Revive is a good spell to have on our side.

>>16921928
Does Nethicite work on things that affect the mind?

Also, some questions for OP:

Do our Aurors have access to fortune-telling magic from the potterverse?
Could our scientists work on things that could block psionics/mindfuckery from affecting our soldiers?

OK, so looking at the thread so far, there seems to be a majority for D&D Abjurers and Clan Elementals. If you lock in these choices you get 5 level 8 Abjurers, and 3 Clan Elementals in their Battle Armor. If you get more X-COM Scientists, you'll get a team of 20. If you get White Mages, you get a group of 6 with access to all spells.

Might be fun to get some T-1000s, potentially.

>>16921962
Clan elementals were both suggested by me, there isn't a majority.

>>16921955
Hmm... It works mostly against Magic due to it's Mist-absorbing properties, but it would work against some forms of psionics, depending on what the psionics is based on (chemicals, genetics, 'science', etc.). Since all magic in Ivalice, even mind-altering magic, is based on the Mist, Nethicite might work against psionics.
>>16921962
I'm definitely in for the White Mages, and I'm thinking we should get the Abjurers at this point.

>>16921962
Gonna vote the White Mages over the Elementals. We already have Marauders and Knights Inductor, there's not much Elementals can do that those two can't do already.

>>16921962
I assume the Psions are also 5 level 8-ers.
What would we get if we went for Elder Farseers?
The 6 White Mages from FFT seem like a good idea.

>>16921955
>Could our scientists work on things that could block psionics/mindfuckery from affecting our soldiers?
We discussed this, and there are a number of items from various game worlds that would give this type of protection.
Easy ones to acquire would be will-save bonus and mind-affecting immunity items from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, and an anti-magic rod from a D&D world.

But the problem is that it would eat up an Equipment Requisition, when if we properly choose our Troop Requisitions, we can get an equivalent level of protection, with more flexibility and utility.

>>16921963
Our budget's way too low.

Hey OP, is it possible to not buy anything in one "round" so we can buy more next "round"?
Also
>Are you sure you want to increase the difficulty?
>Yes
>Very well. HARD mode selected.

>>16921955
Yes and yes.

After about three hours of handling resupply and offload issues, the bedraggled form of Sector Manager Holtz appears on your commscreen.

"I heard something about a report?" he mumbles, sleepily. "I hope it's good. When my alarm went off it interrupted a dream about two sisters of battle. Twins, they were."

>>16921991
Yes, it is possible.

>>16921962
I think we agree with the FFT White Mages.
Will they acquire Job Skill Points as they are deployed? Will they be able to change Jobs?

I would prefer Psions rather than Abjurers, myself.

White Mages it is. Those offer us some anti-magic protection, healing, and can also conjure a wall of force, which is useful in many situations.

The other troop option, as I see it, is a choice between:
Abjurers
Psions
Farseers
Scientists

All of these have potential.
The Abjurers can handle anti-magic, and also protect against many specific damage types.
The Psions can read minds and block Psi.
The Farseers, as their name implies, are prophets that can see faraway things or see the future.
The Scientists, though not magical, would allow us to get more Science done.

>>16921993
At Rivendell, we encountered two outsiders. One was a shipper and the other was the sorcerer Ahzek Ahriman.
We managed to capture the shipper before she could alter canon and after some... high stakes negotiation with Ahriman, we were able to convince him to leave in exchange for some information.
Namely, he said the forces fighting the Void Engineers weren't that of Chaos, but its 'dark reflection.'
Also we got some souvenirs.

>>16922022
I would support X-Com Scientists with their frankly ridiculous research and reverse-engineering speeds.

But the Seer Council could be good.

>>16921993
"Here, transmitting now.
"Summary is: We found Ahriman about to crash the Council of Elrond, and a Shipper trying to drug the food.
"We got Ahriman to back off, in exchange for some elven knowledge and a Ring of Power instead of THE Ring. The Shipper we knocked out and beamed into the brig.
"We collected from First Age stuff that wasn't going to be used in-Canon, and distracted Sauron with an attack at the Black Gate while we sneaked into Barad-dur, met a Nazgul, and chopped its hand off to get the Ring.
"We handed it to Ahriman, he left, and gave us some info about the Event.
"S.T.O.B. was some kind of device, and that's what's caused all this mess. Both the Void Engineers and this unknown Chaos faction are after more devices of this type."

I'm up for White mages and either Clairsentient/Telepathic Psions or Seer Council.

Frankly, I'd be more than happy to take the fight to the "dark reflections" of Chaos.

>>16922077
If it's new chaos from the open door, as seems likely, then that would be ever so slightly fool hardy.
Even if it isn't them we really don't have enough information about whoever they are at this point, we don't even know where they are as they keep disappearing and reappearing.

>>16922072
i second this notion

>>16922022
If we get the X-COM scientists, we should get the Apocalypse-era ones.
They'll have the design plans for personal cloaking devices and personal shields, as well as their knowledge of dimensional mechanics might be useful in figuring out what exactly the S.T.O.B. was.
Maybe their knowledge could also be used to fine-tune our sensor array as well.

>>16922072
Thirded.

>>16922072
If we get any Farseers, our best bet would be those from the Eldar world of Lida, from the Aprior Sector.
They've already made contact with the Knights Inductor, and are likely the most willing to assist us.

>>16922072
Fourth-ed, for a Seer Council.

I want to visit that world right fucking there.
The one near the quarrantine zone.

Judging by our troop choices, we still need more Warp protection before we dive into the black areas. But, aside from that, our troop choices are well-rounded and we have a lot of tools to deal with many situations.

Hell, so long as we only go up against the 'Nids, Crons, Orkz, Imperium or Tau then we could probably handle the black areas. It's only Chaos that is likely to assdevastate us at this point.

>>16922088
New Chaos are overconfident fools filled with unfounded self-righteousness. They will die by our hands, even if we have to assemble a great coalition of trans-dimensional powers to crush them.

If they are truly New Chaos, I say we make an alliance with Ahriman. He'd be gleeful at the thought of crushing any form of Chaos, especially imitations of the gods he so hates.

>>16922134
I still think it's too early, and we should finish fixing the western quadrant of the sector before we go there.
Quarantine has been breached, and we have no idea what's going to be meeting us there.

>>16922034
>>16922057
"...huh. OK, not what I expected to hear, first thing in the... it is morning, right? Anyway, let me take a look at-"

Holtz does a double take. "What the... Where the hell did you get 6 billion dollars worth of diamo- Smaug? Anguirel?! RINGIL?!?!"

Five minutes later...

"OK... OK. That's... damn impressive what you did. Not the become unwitting tools of a Chaos Sorcerer part, but the rest of it. Especially the raid on Barad-dur. That's damn gutsy. And the exploration of the tomb. With the extra information you've provided, I can swing another vehicle squad and another troop choice. You also can choose between a ship upgrade and a Hero." Holtz pauses. "Finally, you can cash in some of your weapons to equip a TG Recruit squad. They're pretty much grunts, but hey, everyone starts somewhere. If you want to cash in your diamonds I can use them to buy more gear, hire more troops, or purchase more vehicles. Everything starship related is still being funneled to the refit of your trophies."

Holtz tosses the report onto his desk. "Finally, I'd like to suggest you let our lab boys have a look at some of that magic loot you got. Especially that repaired ring."

>>16922169
Is this in addition to the 2 troop choices, or instead of the 2 troop choices?

And yes, hand Holtz the gems.

So you're going for a Lida Seer Council? Since you have K.I. in your ranks and have done pretty well funding wise, I'll let you have the full twelve if you take them.

What's the second choice?

>>16922169
>Another troops squad
So ff mages, psions/seer council and scientists then?

Or we could try and use our hero slot to pick up a culexus, I think this was suggested a few threads back and it seems like a reasonable idea.

>>16922176
In addition to.

>>16922169
This is good news indeed.

We should take a hero. Anyone want to take Jurgen? But we might need to get Cain if we bring him as a hero. And Cain's a main character, so I don't think that's happening.

Anyone else think of a good hero or a reason why Jurgen would join us.

>>16922184
FFT mages and a Lida Seer Council.
Lots of support for the FFT White mages. Is that acceptable, OP?
>>16922072
>>16922106
>>16922120
>>16922124

For our other troop selection: X-com apocalypse scientists, in my opinion. Always need more SCIENCE!.
For the Vehicle squad: I'll let the people who were rallying for the vehicles earlier choose it. Now's your time, lads.

For the Ship upgrade or Hero, I'm thinking:
Manufacturing Facilities for the Ship
Because we're bound to get a lot of new toys to play with via our Science, and we'll need a way to build them.
-or-
Either Sherlock Holmes, Lt. Commander Data, or Batman, for the uncanny intuition that would no doubt save lives.

>>16922169
Vehicle Squad: A pack of District 9 Mechs. Mobile, hard-hitting, and can be piloted well by trained Prawn or Mutants.
Hero: A Culexus Assassin.
Can't think of what to do next, though.

>>16922211
We could take an Apriori Sector Land Raider. Would be cool to use.

WAIT!

We have X-Com Scientists. Why not grab a Homeworld series Research Team. Reverse engineer everything hoooooo!!!!!!!!!

So... Farseers see -potential- outcomes right? Like the futures they view are things that can be changed and not the unbreakable transcription of fate?
...Yeah they're a good asset, seeing as they won't be collapsing the wavelengths and forcing us down the path of predestination.

I had an idea for a sort of hero training system, where nameless crewmembers would be put in dangerous situations in order to spur their development into proper heroes. It would also be an opportunity for the OP to have us deal with limited recourses for a time, without the risk of a Total Quest Failure.
Think about it guys.

Third Troops
>X-Com scientists

Vehicle squad
District 9 battle suits sound good, or something similar

Hero
>Culexus Assassin

>>16922184
>>16922169
>What's the second choice?
FFT White Mages.
We're pretty much all agreed on that.

>Let Sector HQ research magic for us
YES! Hand over the Black Arrow, the diminished Ring of Sindi, and possibly Gurthang (we don't really have anyone that can fix it yet).

>Get a TG Rookie Squad
>Cash in diamonds
Yes, and cash in the diamonds to get some appropriate equipment for the TG Rookies. Kinetic Shields, Reality Emitters, and some kind of armor better than just kevlar vests. Weapons, they can use the spare A280 blasters we have.

>Ship Upgrade or Hero
I think we should get a Ship Upgrade. Either even better sensors, or maybe better shields. Transporters might be a good choice, too.

>Vehicle Squad
Not sure.

>Troop Requisition
X-COM scientists, Apocalypse-era.

>>16922240
If we have a ship with a Holodeck or a station-based holodeck, I don't see why we couldn't do something like this.
Also, 3rd Troop Choice = X-Com Scientists

>>16922233
They can see all futures. Strands of possible outcomes and what those outcomes can lead to and so on and so forth. There talents can be used by focusing on the possible outcomes of very specific places, people, and things in any amount of time. The shorter the time the more accurate I'd say.

No Homeworld players huh?

>Finally, you can cash in some of your weapons to equip a TG Recruit squad. They're pretty much grunts, but hey, everyone starts somewhere.
Works for me. They can help the lab boys, at least.

> If you want to cash in your diamonds I can use them to buy more gear, hire more troops, or purchase more vehicles.
>Buy more gear
>More gear
>Gear
>Equipment that will allow great resistance or immunity to mindfuckery, the warp, and mental attacks
>DELICIOUS MAGMA
Very yes. Psi-blockers for all!

For vehicles, how abous some Goliaths from Starcraft? They have excellent Anti-Air, and can hold their own against infantry and light vehicles.

>>16922266
Yes, but so can a D9 Mech (railgun, magneto-gravity claw, Arc Caster, jumpan/punchan/kickan action), with greater mobility and threat-diversity capability.

>>16922211
That's fine. Lida Seers and FFT White Mages.

>>16922176
Giving the diamonds to Holtz allows you to recruit troops, vehicles, or buy more gear. You get a whopping 12 choices, with troops counting as 1, and vehicles counting as 3. Gear requisition will deplete choices depending on what you request.

Finally, are you using your excess weapons to equip a TG Recruit Squad.

>>16922240
second

>>16922272
>12 choices

>>16922262
I'd support it, but we don't have the manufacturing capabilities (yet) for their talents to shine. Hiigarans reverse-engineer and make new designs with that technology. Once we get the Executor and the Antaeus Cruiser back, we'll see about getting an Hiigaran Science/Engineering Team

>>16922247
seconded
>>16922240
thirded

>>16922280
It was going to be less, then I read this article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelnoer/2011/04/06/how-much-is-smaug-tolkei-dragon-worth/2/

>How much are all these diamonds worth?

>Well, we know that Smaug’s body (with tail) is 64 feet long, and we know that dragons are long and narrow, so it seems safe to assume that the ratio of length to width for a full-grown true dragon is about 6 to 1, leaving us with 10.7 feet for the beast’s body width. Six-inches by six-inches seems a reasonable guess for the size of individual dragon scale, meaning that there are 822 individual scales on Smaug’s underbelly. Subtracting 5% for the bare patch, leaves us with 781 diamond-encrusted dragon scales.

>According to Diamond Helpers, diamonds above 5.99 carats are priced individually, so let’s simplify and assume that all of Smaug’s diamonds are 5.99 carats, priced at approximately $16,700 per carat or just over $100,000 each. Fifty diamonds per six-inch square dragon scale seems adequate to ward off most arrows, so Smaug is encrusted with 38,900 diamonds, with a total value of $3.9 billion.

Then I realized just how much money you guys fell into with that friggin' 100.

How about using some of that money from selling the diamonds for an Equipment Requisition or two.

Equipment Requisition 1: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Advanced Bio-Stabilizer Masks. Immunity to mind-affecting phenomena, breathable poisons. The mind-immunity circuitry could be removed and wired into the helmets of the power armor worn by some of our squads.

Equipment Requisition 2: UAV's, drones, MALP's, and robot crawlers. Expendable recon assets.

Right.
FFT White mages
Seer Council
X-com Apocalypse council

Hand in our old equipment, get TG Recruit squad.
Cash in Diamonds
Give unused magic stuff to HQ (Melted ring, Black arrow, Gurthang).

That still leaves us with:
12 "Get stuff" credits
1 Vehicle selection
1 Hero or Ship upgrade selection

Shit boys, get crackin'.

>>16922272
>12 choices


oh yeah baby!

>>16922306
UAV's and drones sounds like a good idea

OP, what constitutes a Hero?

>>16922272
>Finally, are you using your excess weapons to equip a TG Recruit Squad.
I am voting yes. They can grow in power much farther than a Canon character can.

>>16922315
Any named character of sufficient power from a canon.

>>16922329
Hmmm...
Suggestions
>Sam Fischer
>Isaac Clarke
>Culexis Assassin
>Ezio Auditore

>>16922315
More specifically, what limits do we have on hero selection? Because if we could take say Malcador the Sigilite of 40k, or Doomguy of DOOM, or Eärendil of Tolkien, or Kyle Katarn of Star Wars, or Coin of Discworld, that would be ridiculously awesome. Especially Coin.

>>16922306
Good plan. Lemme update my shit

The HQ gets our magic stuff to look at, our old guns, and Smaug's money. We get:

FFT White Mages
Seer council
X-com Apocalypse scientists
District 9 Mechs
TG Recruit squad
A Culexus Assassin (hero)
Enough KotOR masks to give all of our troops Psi-immunity
UAVs, MALPs, and other expendable Recon assets

I think we need a lot of Manufacturing, a fair amount of Science!, some Crowd Control or levels-a-city-block power, and ... jesus christ, what the fuck do we spend all that cash on.

>>16922334
Culexis Assassin is the only /tg/-related one there.

Ok, lets get some troop ideas down

Troops
>Abjurers
>Psions
>Clan Elementals
>Republic Commandos
>T-1000's
>More Space Marines of some description

Vehicles
>Land Raiders
>Stealth Tanks, C&C
>More battletech mechs
>More aerospace of some description

>>16922357

>culexus assassin

...cuddles?

>>16922357
I was just throwing out ideas, to be perfectly honest.
What we are planning on getting...
>FFT White Mages
>Seer Council
>X-COM Apocalypse Scientists
>D9 Mechs
>TG Recruit Squad
>Culexus Assassin
>KotOR Masks galore
>Expendable Recon Toys

Other Ideas
>Science! Facility Upgrades
>Ship-board fabrication upgrades
>Gunship-mounted crowd control weapons (sonic or thermal, preferably)

>>16922344
Coin is a canon breaker. Damn, he very nearly broke his canon of origin!

>>16922354
Manufacturing/Science!
>Homeworld Science/Manufacturing Division
Crowd Control
Judges from judge dread, they do do non-lethal as well as lethal rather well in riot situations

>>16921283
>Unless I missed something...
There was also mention of gold and jewels when we rolled crazily and got the Nameless Blade and Voiceless Spear in the underwater ruins.

>>16922295
But aren't diamonds actually pretty cheap and it's just a cabal of malevolent corporations that are artificially inflating the prices?

>>16922240
fourthed
Considering that we're coming into some serious money here, it seems reasonable to allow for the opportunity of being able to do quests with limited resources, so the OP doesn't have to make every threat ridiculously strong in order to counter the sheer amount of strength that we can bring to the table.

>>16922344
You've progressed in funding to the point where the heroes you hire can be up to the level of say J.C. Denton, endgame but pre-HELIOS. You're no longer restricted to 'bad-ass normals', but aren't quite to superhumans yet.

I know it's not exactly /tg/-y, but I would like to offer forward some weapon choices. Namely, weaponry from the Unreal universe.

We don't have much in the mid-ground between light personal weapons and ship- and mech-mounted weaponry, right? I think perhaps we should get some of the Unreal rocket launchers (Unreal Tournament 3 models get my vote, because you can fire spread, a tight anti-vehicle spiral, or use them as impromptu grenades!) and the M406 "Hydra" 40mm grenade launcher from Unreal 2 (This gives us SIX grenade types to fling around with a single gun, giving it all sorts of flexibility! http://unreal.wikia.com/wiki/Grenade_Launcher_(U2) ).

Demoman would probably love the Hydra as an upgrade for his standard launcher, and having this and the rocket launcher would give us some firepower to be able to take on heavier targets; which we'll probably run into once we get to 40k stuff (ARMOR EVERYWHERE!) Sometimes, you just need to blow shit up.

>>16922401
Someone like Kyle Katarn would be recruitable by this stage, now that I think about it.

>>16922401
Well then, I know who we're recruiting next.

>>16922334
>Sam Fischer
Also known as "A Hero choice that isn't as good as Tosh or the Culexus and doesn't give us anything we currently lack". Bad choice.
>Isaac Clarke
Engineering and Time-slowing. A decent choice.
>Culexis Assassin
Damn good for murdering those goddamn wizards.
>Ezio
Never bring a sword to a Singularity Cannon fight. Also, who needs Parkour when you have flying suits. Bad choice.

>>16922363
>Abjurers
Useful.
>Psions
Useful.
>Clan Elementals
Honestly, I think Manufacturing facilities will give us more power than any specific canon. Give everyone a Blaster launcher and suddenly EVERYONE'S A WALKING BRICK TOWER OF DESTRUCTION. :)
>Republic Commando
I do not know of their capabilities. Inform me.
>T-1000
Extremely useful for infiltration and damn hard to kill. Only problem is, how the hell do we get them to willingly work with fleshy organics?
>More Spess Murines
A Solid choice.

>Land Raider
Meh.
>Stealth Tank
Better plan: Any tank, plus manufacturing facilities, plus science, = ALL VEHICLES ARE STEALTH VEHICLES.
>Battletech Mechs
Are decently powerful, but at 3 credits each, I'd go with kitting out our generic squad members to be as powerful as tanks.
>Aerospace
Because an entire squad of Tie defenders and VF-25s are never enough!
Some ships from Tyrian are screen-clearingly powerful and work in both space and atmo.

>>16922401
>You've progressed in funding to the point where the heroes you hire can be up to the level of say J.C. Denton, endgame but pre-HELIOS
We need Batman.

Do we still have the Antaeus adaptive cruiser production model?

For the record: The failed reactivation was for Antaeus 04. Thanks to the threads, I actually acquired the game, and can give some canon hints on the Antaeus.

>>16922354
>FFT White Mages (Mission Completion Reward)
>Seer council (Lida Exodite World, Mission Completion Reward)
>X-com Apocalypse scientists (Mission Completion Reward)
>District 9 Mechs (Mission Completion Reward)
>TG Recruit squad (Mission Completion Reward)
>A Culexus Assassin (Hero, Mission Completion Reward. I would prefer Ship Upgrades to Shields or Sensors)

Okay, now is when we start spending money, 12 RPs:
>Enough KotOR masks to give all of our troops Psi-immunity
Probably 1 RP
>UAVs, MALPs, and other expendable Recon assets
Pretty easy to acquire, also 1 RP.
>X-COM:TFTD Scientists
1 RP. More scientists, access to water-compatible weapons and armor.

Also, let's get some more Star Wards droids. They're artificially intelligent and expendable. Maybe a few HK-50's and some recon types that have built-in repulsor-lift systems, letting them fly. They'll be good at scouting buildings and such without endangering agents.

>>16922417
How about Asaid Virenus? The rogue callidus assassin who was pumped full experimental drugs and tech

>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Asaid_Virenus

For the vehicles, I propose an Imperial Leviathan.

>>16922422
>Republic Commandos
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_commando

I don't think Batman is going to want to work with us due to his moral code.
At least, not any primary incarnation of Batman, that is.
Same with most superheroes really.
Fortunately, there -are- numerous alternate incarnations that are a bit more... ethically flexible.

>>16922427
More importantly, can Tosh play guitar? If not, spend one point on training Tosh and 2 or 3 Sandmen drums, base, keyboard, or sax.

It will be glorious.
And good for troop morale.

>>16922425
Antaeus 01 is currently undergoing repairs and upgrades to be space-capable and upgrades to its vehicle database.

>>16922427
Mission Completion Rewards are squared away.
RP...
KotOR Masks: 1
UAV Capabilities: 1
X-COM Scientists: 1
Super Battle Droids, Droideka: (X)
Necron Wraiths (quick, Phase-capable, good for harder recon / combat): (X)

Can't think of anything else at the moment. Will continue thinking.

>>16922465
I thought it was Spike and the Sandmen, not Tosh and the Sandmen.
And yes, this is clearly something worth doing. Clearly.

Apparently I've been eating dinner during most of the new recruiting.
How much have we locked into so far, and how much is left to choose?

>>16922468
Hopefully, the soul chip system is upgraded too. The original version required the user's death.

>>16922474
My mistake. Replace Tosh with Spike in my post.

>>16922472
>Necron Wraiths
That doesn't sound like a safe thing to recruit.

>>16922479
The Mission Reward choices are pretty much agreed upon in here:
>>16922427

Most people seem to want to spend 3 RP's on the first 3 choices: X-COM Scientists, UAV's, and KotOR psi-immunity masks.

>>16922483
We've got Trek medical, we could extract the chip pre-death if we wanted too.

>>16922479
see
>>16922272

Locked in
Seer Council
FF Mages
X-Com Scientists Apocalypse era

>>16922493
You have no idea how much easier that list makes this for me. Thank you.

Shall we name him... Mr. Culexus?

>>16922398
>it seems reasonable to allow for the opportunity of being able to do quests with limited resources
The alternative, of course, is to give us missions where either using all of this new nifty weaponry and troops would be bad for us, or we need to hide their use.

Such as Canons that are mostly stable, but we need to find and destroy a SUE.
Or where we need to locate a Shipper that's still within Canon, that has absconded with a plot item.

OP, exactly how much Science, reverse engineering, and manufacturing, can we get with those 12 credits?

I say we should obtain:
People who study Magic and the way different forms of magic weave together.
The aforementioned Abjurors and Psions from D&D.
A device that allows Mind linking between people for faster research.
Any kind of Magitek Engineers or Tinkerers that bullshit Magic and Science! into the same device.
Any of the omni-disciplinary engineers from X-com or Homeworld.
More Engineers
More Scientists
An MCV from the Tiberium universe (ideally NOD)
Some SCVs from Starcraft with enough minerals to construct the usual base structures.
One of the Universal Constructors from the final level of Deus Ex 1.
Some generic useful devices: E.g. KotOR's anti-psi masks, some of the artefacts from STALKER, the aformentioned anti-magic crystals from FFXII.
A SCIENCE! Hero. Possibly Reed Richards.
An upgrade to ANON that would allow it to understand and process all this information.
Mind-machine interfaces (the ones from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri have the least downsides).
A crapton of Raw Materials.

With a manufacturing and science team like that, we could understand pretty much every magic and every technology ever, then build all of it.

But perhaps this is just my idle fantasies.

>>16922493
Agree on X-COM Scientists (we'll have to choose which game's tech tree to unlock).
And if we are sure the KotOR masks will work against a wide-spectrum of mind effects, that might be good. Though with all these scientists, I'm not sure we need much more, X-Com has some protections, and the Knights Inductor are badass in that regard.
UAVs, I'm iffier on. Now I do think we could use better recon/bug/spy gear, but we need to spring for something better than baseline Earth gear.

Here's another suggestion for Equipment Requisition (1-2 RP):
Pre-fabbed defense structures that can be beamed down.

Remember how we wanted to be able to beam down defensive turrets, ferro-crete walls with gun ports, and defensive pill-boxes in case our away team got into a fire-fight?

>>16922532
Seconding this

Kushan/Somtaaw scientists and engineers would go excellently with Antaeus 01.

>>16922532
Thirding this. Having either generic Imperium pre-fab or getting UNSC Firebases from Halo Wars that can fly down and self-construct would be fantastic. The latter can also self-produce factory and barrack equipment, if we need it.

>>16922511
>A SCIENCE! Hero. Possibly Reed Richards.
I was thinking Data in this regard, there is a convenient place in his canon to recover him from just before they blow the ship that kills him off in that timeline.

>>16922566
>>16922560
>>16922539
>>16922532
Once the refits to our other ships are now we should be able to manufacture basic stuff like that.

>>16922568
How about a spark from girl genius?
And don't we have Egon?

>>16922532
fourthing this

>>16922505
Mr. Culexus? Fine by me.

I hope we get that Science, Manufacturing, and Paranormal-understanding center. Not sure how much it would cost.

>>16922584
Seconding a spark. Specifically Agatha Heterodyne, the version that studies at Illuminati University.

>>16922560
I'm thinking that 1 RP can be the small stuff that'll help out if a fire fight breaks out, and our team needs cover fast. Like, they're under fire and need some cover RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!, then a little ferro-crete pillbox/shed beams down right next to them, and they crawl inside.

2 RP can be for the bigger pre-fab structures, like Imperial Garrison Forts, UNSC Firebases, and Imperium pre-fab structures.

>>16922584
>>16922568
In the end we need a strong science guy, and a strong magical master, and Egon there to bridge the gap for awesome results.

OP, how many RP would it take to buy an additional hero or ship component?

>>16922578
Ok, ok. If we really want something _now_ for basic defenses, then we should requisition a Federation Industrial Replicator. Then we can make those simple walls and bunkers and send them down.
Also good for repairing/replacing large damage in canons.

>>16922578
But that's only if the Antaeus cruiser has the plans for them uploaded to its database for its Creation Engine to get to work.

And the Indefatigable's replicators are still somewhat limited, compared to those on a Galaxy-class. In order to replicate something big, like a pre-fab structure or even a small section of ferro-crete wall, would require an industrial replicator, which is supposedly bigger than the Indefatigable could hold. I mean, just 5 were said to be enough to rebuild all of Cardassia.

>>16922631
I was figuring we were putting full C&C and SC2 Terran base facilities into the SSD.

Hmmm....

How about that programmable matter thing from Doctor Who? The one where you can remote controll clones of yourself?

>>16922615
Heroes and Ship components CANNOT be bought with spoils. Only troops and vehicles can, though later in the game you may be able to buy ships. Heroes and Ship Upgrades are only given out for completion of missions.

>>16922657
The Flesh? It could definitely work. However, we probably shouldn't use it for personnel cloning, as we can all see from what happened at that mining installation. It'd probably just be a matter of how much we can get for how many RP

>>16922653
The Executor still needs a lot of work.

And someone wants us to go to a world right the fuck next to the Quarantine Zone as our next destination.

So we may be needing those pre-fab defenses sooner, rather than later.

>>16922668
>>16922657
I don't know if we want to go anywhere near the Who-verse Canons without some kind of invitation or something.
Otherwise, pic related might happen.

Seeing as we can only get one hero, do we want the culexus assassin or a science hero?

I'm personally in favour of the assassin.

>>16922683
No, no we don't want that. Don't do anything that could incur THAT.

>>16922686
The Culexus does create a NO WARP ZONE, like the ysalimir do to the Force.

But we're severely lacking in a magic researcher of some kind. I think we need one of those more than a single Culexus.

>>16922658
Only Troops and Vehicles, eh?

Well, we should grab some Engineers from X-com and Homeworld.
Could grab some Terran SCVs, Protoss Probes, NOD/GDI MCVs.
If we're getting extra troops, might as well get the Abjurers or Psions.
The ability to beam down Prefab defense structures would be useful, if it's even possible.
A universal constructor would help a lot in manufacturing a bunch of random bullshit.
And, if we're doing all this, then we'll have even MORE shit to understand. So, even more scientists!
Would upgrades to our computer systems and AI be available?
And of course, gotta have raw materials.

>>16922686
I'm in favor of switching to Lt. Commander Data.

We're 250 posts in and still discussing what toys to pick up. I wonder what we're even going to GET with all that money.

>>16922683
Dr. Who will understand if we tell him we'll use it responsibly. He deals with reality hackers all the time, so the concept of the TG won't be that hard to grasp for him, excepting our total removal from 'his' version of Time and Space (i.e. Gallifrey). Might take some time, but getting equipment and allies from the Whoniverse might be useful.

>>16922721
Make an expedition to grab the Doctor. All of them. And Rory.

Personally, I'm in favor of Kyle Katarn. First off, he's the Star Wars universe's equivalent of Chuck Norris. Secondly, he's canonically a major badass - he's skilled with all sorts of guns, is an expert lightsaber AND unarmed fighter, and of course a Jedi Master.

>>16922734
And a Culexus has similar skill, in addition to providing Warp-resistance to nearby persons.
As balling as Kyle is, I'd prefer the Culexus.

>>16922668
IIRC, In universe, that one specific incident only happened because of a combination of exposure to timelord DNA and freaky solar radiation.

Also, do you think we could pick up some of those wrist mounted time travel devices?

>>16922734
If we go Star Wars, why not pick up the best? I'm Talking Reven and The Exile.

>>16922706
MCVs aren't so great, considering that we don't have much tiberium on our hands... unless of course we get a contained Blossom Tree, but even that means a very limited and slow-growing stockpile. And tiberium isn't just needed as the game's currency, it's also used for producing various NoD weapons. Better might be an RA-verse MCV, as in Red Alert, the income resource isn't actually used by a lot of tech.

>>16922729
No. Recruit, yes. Befriend, yes. Grab? No. Not a chance in hell. Still, we could go pay him a visit if we have the time.
>>16922740
Freaky solar radiation combined with mechanical glitches, yes. But, the /tg/ dice are treacherous and we're traveling in the MetaVerse, so yeah, they might go rogue if we use it for replacing soldiers instead of for pre-fab.
ALSO: Yes, yes, yes to the Vortex Manipulators. Time/space translocation devices are always nice to have if we need to do so.

>>16922673
Aye, which is why an Industrial Replicator would be prefect.
Oh, and a Bulk Teleporter. Without that we aren't beaming anything substantial down.

>>16922700
So do Knight Inductor's Silencers.
That's who we should get for the job.

>>16922766
A hero would likely do it more effectively

OK.
Let's break it down into categories of things we want, then figure out how best to fill these needs:
1) More SCIENCE.
2) More Mission usable defense structures.
3) More anti-psyker/warp. (Do we really need more?)
4) More bacon strips- I mean MORE science.

I might suggest we add more magic to the team as well, the Aurors have been hugely beneficial to us. Either more of them, or someone to compliment their abilities.

What happened to the idea to get some abjurers and psions?

>>16922729
The main instigator came from the fact that the Doctor PHISCALLY TOUCHED the 'flesh', and it aquired his DNA, which grants sapience to things >see daleks in manhattan

>>16922753
Oh hell no. With our luck-Pic Related

>>16922781
Seems a bit much to blow a hero on. Those abilities only help against warp and psyker problems in ground conflict. Whereas the Silencers can still function as a KI squad. We've got Tosh and Delta Greens, we've got plenty of assassination mojo.

>>16922822
Seconding. If we can get a science hero (Lt. Data, Dr. Augustine (Avatar), etc.) we can actually start pulling in really big science dividends from our projects.

In that case how about a spark from girl genius?

>>16922804
They're each only a single troop choice, and we have 9 RP's still unaccounted for, so I suppose we could get one or both for more magic firepower and defense.

Now, before we lock in the first three choices, we should get ANON confirmation on the effectiveness of KotOR stabilizer masks to the various types of mind-affecting effects.
They're from a world where the only mind-affecting power is the Force; they might not work against X-COM psionics, Warp powers, magic, or D&D psionics.
Can we do something like a 'try before you buy' sort of thing? Where we buy, for 1 RP, a crate of different mind-protecting equipment from various Canons, but only enough of any one piece of equipment to equip a single team? That way, we can test which ones have the broadest effect, and then spend money on that.

>>16922844
Meh, one that wasn't just plain too crazy would probably be above our paygrade. They can be good, but that good is balanced out with crazy.

>>16922844
Sparks are notoriously unstable, and their powers mostly seem to be in the creation of devices, rather than the analysis of a phenomenon. Their technologies also don't seem to be compatible with most of our tech.

OK, give me a few minutes here. I'm going to spend some of your money on suggestions you've made based on what's available and what people want. While I hammer that out, you might want to consider where to go. A few suggestions were made, but nothing was settled on.

>>16922872
I say we go with our old plan and hit that red world to the left of the grey one we had just hit. Rather than the large red one near the quarantine. Let's get an idea of what red means before we stick our ass in one next to the hornets' nest.

I'm up for Knights Inductor silencers, Psions, Abjurs, and Data as hero.
The device to beam down prefab structures also seems really handy.
Psi blockers from any given Canon are handy. Be it from STALKER, KotOR, X-com, or D&D.

Not sure what to do with the rest of the credits.
More engineering teams and engineering equipment?
Maybe more computer equipment? Between Data and ANON it could be useful.

>>16922888
That sounds reasonable.

Another option is to go into a quarantine zone as a recon mission, ready to bug out if things look bad. We have no idea what happened in their, some information could be helpfull.

We havn't though of getting any vehicles, that may have been an oversight.

>>16922888
Yeah, let's hit the red world in the purple circle, see what's to be done there.

>>16922881
We pick out our target from the grid of our sector.
That fanfic world that went to crap was a green world.
The LotR was a grey world.
Red we don't know, which is why it was next on our list near there because that area looked 'linchpin-y' to us.

>>16922829
>>16922822
So, are we wavering on getting a Culexus?
Replace Culexus with SCIENCE/Magic Hero (Data, or some Magic Researcher), since we could potentially get a squad of KI Silencers instead with our windfall?

>>16922909
I figured out what OP meant.
>>16922903
Still say we get ourselves some D9 Mechs. Nice useful, beautiful machines.

Still suggesting Agatha Heterodyne, on indefinite loan from Illuminati University. Yes, there are two different canon versions of her.

>>16922904
We were talking about the red world furthest to the left. The LotR was a grey world near it, but we've resolved the issues there.

>>16922926
Works for me. As long as there are more SUEs to 'rectify'.

>>16922916
Those are locked in as our mission reward.
>>16922915
Some people want science, some still want assassin.

Ah crap, I forgot.

Remember that the scout team is coming back soon, so you'll be getting additional information that may affect your choice.

>>16922915
Aye. Data and Egon seem like a good mix, and Egon takes a strong logical approach to the supernatural which would be good for bringing Data up to speed on those aspects.

>>16922929
I can't brain today. I have the dumb.
We'll be hitting autosage soon, so prepare to archive.

>>16922872
Hold up, OP.
Apparently there's been some reconsiderations concerning our choices:

>A Culexus Assassin (Hero, Mission Completion Reward)
Seems to have been changed to
>Lt. Commander Data (Hero, Mission Completion Reward)
and
>1 RP, Troop Requisition, KI Silencer Squad

>>16922597
>>16922584
Holy shit yes. Forget Kyle Katarn. Agatha gives us SCIENCE! for research AND for building insanely awesome guns. Even a lesser spark would totally be worth it.

Here's my take:
Quarrantine world is likely end game
Black blobs are Warhammer worlds and thus very dangerous without warp protection
Blue, Pink, and Green circled regions have Void Engineer or Chaos warships. Very dangerous until we upgrade our fleet.
Worlds in the regular grid are likely already working fine.

Worlds circled in yellow:
Most are near near the Black Warhammer blobs, and thus may have strong warships or chaos taint.
The far right yellow circle is near the World of Darkness worlds, and may have Void engineer warships.
The top yellow circle is near the Quarantine zone. We don't know what might be escaping from Quarantine, but whatever it is, it's probably powerful.

Worlds circled in Green are likely easy worlds.
Red, afaik, means Normal world.
Green was a complete canon crapsack with the U.S. Death Star.
Grey was a warp incursion into a normal LotR world. Might mean warp incursion, might mean high fantasy.
Blue is unknown.

I vote we hit up the small blue world, circled in green.

I still say we keep the assassin. We have picked up alot of research based units, do we really need a hero to back them up further?
Having some specialist units dedicated to ruining magic/psykers could be really useful take both the marines and the culexus and we're fine.

If we're going with a scie nce hero though, my vote is for agatha heterodyne.

>>16922990
>>16922979
But what about her locket that suppresses her Spark abilities, and the hostile personality map of her mother locked inside her head?

>>16922990
I think both have merit and simply trust the OP to pick something useful.

I expect the next worlds we go to will thin down our forces by a lot, to balance this acquisition.
You know what that means.

BOSSFIGHT

>>16923009
I'm don't think the alternate continuity agatha that we are advocating has that problem

>>16923013
TG vs...
>Nyx
>Golden Aquilas
>EDDRW
>Particularly hostile crossover(s)
>Shippers / Firemen
The list of potential threats goes on and on.

>>16923009
More recent version has overcome the spark suppression while still wearing the locket, keeping the Other locked away.

>Equipment Requisition 1: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Advanced Bio-Stabilizer Masks. Immunity to mind-affecting phenomena, breathable poisons. The mind-immunity circuitry could be removed and wired into the helmets of the power armor worn by some of our squads.

2 RP of this buys enough to equip 4 squads of your choice.

>Equipment Requisition 2: UAV's, drones, MALP's, and robot crawlers. Expendable recon assets.
Costs 1 RP to gain a Drone Squad consisting of probe droids, UAVs, and the like. Led by an HK-50. 16/16.

>TFTD Scientists
1 RP.
>Pre-Fab Bunkers/Structures
1 RP.
>SCV Team
3 RP. 12/12
>Clan Elementals in Battle Armor
1 RP. 3/3
>K.I. Silencers: Replaces the 4 fallen Marines. Leftover money goes to replacing the 2 X-COM vets.
1 RP

>Abjurer Team

>Psion Team

That accounts for all 12 points. Does this look acceptable?

>>16923042
Look fine to me.

>HK50
Why didn't we think of this...

>>16923042
I'd like to swap:
Clan elementals
SCV team

for X-com Engineers, and more KotoR masks.

>>16923058
Specify: 2 RP on 40 Xcom Engineers, and 2 RP on enough Psi masks for 4 more squads (which should total ALL of our ground forces).

Willing to swap X-com engineers for any other engineers, as long as they have the "Build pretty much anything" ability that the Xcommies do.

Come to think of it, I think we should have traded in the Hyaku Shiki for the Delta Plus.

>>16923009
Part of the Mechanicsburg canon. If we borrow her from I.O.U. (for a hefty donation, of course; the ArchDean won't have it any other way) we can avoid these problems.

>>16923069
Seconding this. We really don't need Clan Elementals considering our previous purchases, and the more masks we have, the better prepared we are for what's bound to be coming up.

>>16923069
>>16923058
But won't we need workshops for the engineers to work in? Sure, some replicators will help, but they're not a full workshop.
That would require a Ship Upgrade.

>>16923107
I thought we already got an upgrade to the ship that would allow us to do that.

Oh! We have Psi labs. Are we able to select troops to receive Psionic training?

>>16923081
But isn't she needed there for the Canon?
Girl Genius isn't a finished work; taking a Canon character out would be the same as what Shippers do. It would cause Canon contradictions.

All of our Heroes were acquired after their Canons were done with them.

Come to think of it, I think we should have traded in the Hyaku Shiki for the Delta Plus.

Anyway, I vote for FFT White Mages. We can multi-class them into Ninjas, Summoners and Time Mages as necessary, yes?

>>16923115
No, we got labs, not workshops.

>>16923123
We already picked up:
FFT White Mages
Elder Seer Council
X-com Apocalypse scientists
TG Recruit squad
Some District 9 Mechs
a Hero (forgot whether it was the Culexus or Data. Both are useful)

In addition to the list OP is sending us now.

>>16923079
Char is friggin' benchwarming here. Can we fire him and then get different replacement set for him + Hyaku Shiki?

Was thinking like, Lyle + Cherudim Gundam, or Patrick Colasour + GN-X IV, or Graham Aker + Brave Commander Type.

Someone also mentioned in a previous thread about universes which have Meta-stability with crossovers. What did that mean with regards to Char?


Last point: Instead of Aerospace fighters, we could have opted for starter models of R-Types for their firepower.

>>16923156
>Char is friggin' benchwarming here.
Actually, he's playing games of pool against Spike. That's a task harder than any of our troops have faced thus far.

>>16923146
District 9 mechs?

They've got nice anti-infantry weapons but they're not as well-armored as you think. They get beat up easily by RPGs even without critical hits. There's also the PRAWN DNA lock.

If you read the District 9 notes there's something about the Prawn battle suits that do not let the pilot exit anymore. There's those waldos in the cockpit that stab you in places and basically graft you to the machine and do funky things with your body fluids.

>>16923156
All of your choices still couldn't have been fielded in our last operation, so the point about Char benchwarming is moot.

As for the R-Types, we didn't have the budget initially to requisition them. They might have the firepower, but our TIE Defender and VF squadrons make up for that in utility.

You cannot swap Heroes once you have hired them.

>Equipment Requisition 1: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Advanced Bio-Stabilizer Masks. Immunity to mind-affecting phenomena, breathable poisons. The mind-immunity circuitry could be removed and wired into the helmets of the power armor worn by some of our squads.

4 RP of this buys enough to equip 8 squads of your choice.

>Equipment Requisition 2: UAV's, drones, MALP's, and robot crawlers. Expendable recon assets.
Costs 1 RP to gain a Drone Squad consisting of probe droids, UAVs, and the like. Led by an HK-50. 16/16.

>TFTD Scientists
1 RP.
>Pre-Fab Bunkers/Structures
1 RP.
>K.I. Silencers: Replaces the 4 fallen Marines. Leftover money goes to replacing the 2 X-COM vets.
1 RP

>Abjurer Team

>Psion Team

Revised list. Better?

>>16923156
Char does have some experience as a leader, though the Shiki is kind of subpar yes. I'd argue that he's better then any of the alternatives save maybe Graham though. The only reason he's been benchwarming so far is because we haven't reached a situation that called for heavy mechanized support since our last fleet battle.

Upgrading him to a Delta Plus would be nice, or alternatively a Zeta Plus. Ideally he would do best in either the Sazabi or Nightingale, though the Sinanju is probably more in our price range at the moment.

>>16923187
Confirm that we also have:

FFT White Mages
Elder Seer Council
X-com Apocalypse scientists
TG Recruit squad
Some District 9 Mechs
a Culexus Assassin

Also, there's 2 spare RP in that list. Is it going towards engineers?

>>16923187
>K.I. Silencers
YEEUUUSSS!!!

THe only thing better would have been some Culexus Assassins, but whatevs.

But you know what this means?
We now have the genetic information to being research on Pariah Ysalimiri with reality emitters and anti-magic artifacts attached!

>>16923198
>psi-proof
>magi-proof
>SUE-proof
>our face when the multiversal steam-rolling begins unimpeded

>>16923195
Some of us want that Culexus assassin swapped out with Data.
We might need another vote on that.

>>16923187
>Pre-Fab Bunkers/Structures
Let's swap this for an Industrial Replicator that we can fab our own basic structures from.
Either way, we need a bulk transporter to send them down with.

>>16923224
Say, aren't we rich enough now to perchase a T-1 engineer from the TA universe?

>>16923195
Should've been

>Equipment Requisition 1: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Advanced Bio-Stabilizer Masks. Immunity to mind-affecting phenomena, breathable poisons. The mind-immunity circuitry could be removed and wired into the helmets of the power armor worn by some of our squads.

6 RP of this buys enough to equip 12 squads of your choice.

>>16923187
>Replaces the 4 fallen Marines. Leftover money goes to replacing the 2 X-COM vets.
I thought we recovered those units.

>>16923236
Nah, two died, two more got Black BReathed.

>>16923232
>equip 12 squads of your choice.
Oh, right, because we also have to protect the guys in the mechs, and the fighter pilots, and the bridge crews of our ships.

Forgot about that.

>>16923232
>12 squads
Wait, do we even have that many?

>>16923231
I'd say we are. That could be very useful, especially if we can get it upgraded in the field. However, I much prefer the Supreme Commander ones. We'll also need to specify Faction, since there are some changes between what can be made.

Right lads. When we enter a new world, remember:

The Storm has good sensors, for both satellite imagery, and sensing reality distortions.
The Aurors can scry distant places, and also use some of the potterverse's (not very informative) fortune-telling.
The Farseers do as their name implies, and predict the future / see distant places.
The Psions have clairvoyants and telepaths. They can read surface thoughts of a target in range, and learn of the past of an item or place in range.
Tosh is a telepath that can pick up S.U.E.s from a long distance.
We have Recon droids and UAVs.
Char's newtype hax allows bullshit newtype mindsex. Not sure if it works on anyone other than a newtype though.
I don't know if we have any "Long range detect magic" equivalent. We probably don't.

>>16923217
We cannot swap the Culexus once we've hired him/her.

>>16923232
If possible, I'd like to only buy 8 squads' worth of Psi masks (we can always build more later once our research/manufacturing stuff gets going).
With the remaining 2 RP, we could spend it on an Engineering team. Or on anything, really.

>>16923244
Oh, right. My bad.
Still, "12 squads" is basically EVERYONE, right? And if it's not, once we get the Antaeus up and running, and have an Engineering staff in an engineering workshop, we can just MAKE more.

>>16923224
Bulk transporter is a ship upgrade that we cannot get. For now, we're going with "drop a chest high wall from orbit", which we can do.

>>16923187
>>Equipment Requisition 2: UAV's, drones, MALP's, and robot crawlers. Expendable recon assets.
>Costs 1 RP to gain a Drone Squad consisting of probe droids, UAVs, and the like. Led by an HK-50. 16/16.
Can we swap in some Protoss Observer drones? Cloaked, space-capable, and can seen through cloaks and hidden units.

>>16923213
>psi-proof
>magi-proof
>SUE-proof
>our face when the multiversal steam-rolling begins unimpeded
You know what it's missing?
A Minovsky particle generator.
>MFW when a ysallimiri-pariah-antimagic-reality emitter combo piloting a Gundam.

>>16923236
No, those are casualties even after Medic/Nanny-bagging/emergency beam out.

>>16923224
No, see, the problem of an industrial replicator is that it still requires time to make everything, then for it to be transported down.
There's also the power requirements of one. It's doubtful that the Indefatigable could power one, and it would still be a major energy draw for even the Relentless.

>>16923260
Engineers won't do you much good until you get workshops. But I can split the difference and swap them out for SCVs.

>>16923260
What? We're still at the hiring phase right now, and we were talking about Data next even before we went to Tolkien world.

>>16923251
>However, I much prefer the Supreme Commander ones.
Why?

>>16923276
>>16923289
Actually, he's right. a Protoss Observer would be very useful.
If possible, I'd like to spend 1 RP on Protoss Observer(s) (even if it's just one, it's useful. Ideally we'd get 3-4)
And the other RPs on the anti-psi masks.

If we're still in the hiring phase, I'd support swapping the Culexus choice for Data, now that we've got enough Kotor masks for AT LEAST 8 squads, and maybe even 10 or 12.

Now that we have our six White Mages, what will be their secondary class skillsets?

>>16923289
How about the construction units from Dark Reign, they could build walls and bridges in addition to regular base stuff.

>>16923304
Because I never played the old TA games myself.

>>16923260
>We cannot swap the Culexus once we've hired him/her.
That's true, but we haven't hired them yet.

>If possible, I'd like to only buy 8 squads' worth of Psi masks
But we still need protection NOW for everyone.
Maybe we won't go to a Canon where everyone will get mind-raped next, maybe we will.
Getting engineers their workshops will require a Ship Upgrade.

>>16923276
>Can we swap in some Protoss Observer drones? Cloaked, space-capable, and can seen through cloaks and hidden units.
No, I prefer the HK-50 with it's team of droids.
Besides, we had enough trouble getting that single Arbiter, and apparently relations between TG and the Protoss aren't so great.

What if we get commander type-Brave or a GN-X IV for Char? The GN Tau drives would solve the terrain problems.

BTW guys, the irc channel is dead and gone.

>>16923312
Time Mage. The various speed buffs that provides could definitely help, no matter the situation.

>>16923326
Mainly I'm suggesting swapping the UAVs and Probe Droids for Observer drones. I suppose we could keep HK-50.

>>16923326
Hey, OP
>>16923231
>>16923251

and everyone else

>>16923198
>>16923213
>>16923277
Shall we begin reasearch at HQ?

>>16923342
Seconding that.
I want to see our Aurors under the effect of a Haste spell.
Hell, I want to see our Hellstars under the effect of a Haste spell.

>>16923349
YES! Commence research into Minovsky Particles, the Pariah Gene, and other things that are useful for making men magic/psionics/Warp/SUE-proof.
>>16923357
>mfw D9 Mech / Darius Fortes attacks when Hastened

Why are we going for Terror from the Deep X-COM, why not another?

Goddamnit guys, this always happens when we get back to HQ! Our minds were made up, now let's get on with things!

>>16923366
Our minds were made up three days ago. Now people are mixing it up.

OP, give us what you think we like for the Mission rewards and the Requisitions, let's see if we're in a general agreement or not.

>>16923364

So one way of fighting sues... is to become one yourself.

Palpatine would be amused.

The Oracle skills I see that can be useful are magic drain, confusion, and induce cowardice.

Would one of the White Mages multiclassing for Geomancer or Summoner be a good idea? Would be nice to cast Carbuncle on a group of allies to get magic attacks reflected away; Time Mage's reflect spell is single-target, if I remember.

>FFT White Mages (Mission Completion Reward)
>Seer council (Lida Exodite World, Mission Completion Reward)
>X-com Apocalypse scientists (Mission Completion Reward)
>District 9 Mechs (Mission Completion Reward)
>TG Recruit squad (36/36. Equipped with Pulse Rifles, Laser Rifles, and Fat Men.)
>Lt. Commander Data
>20 X-COM TFTD scientists
>Pre-Fab Bunkers/Defensive Structures
>Enough Advanced Bio-Stabilizer Masks. (Immune mind affect/poison) for 12 squads.
>Drone Squad (16/16)
>Psion Team (L8 6/6)
>K.I. Silencer additions/Squad refill

This is what you're getting so far. You've got until I finish work on the new thread for any changes.

>>16923398
Ah, but SUE.s just warp reality to get what we want!
We, on the other hand, use reality to our advantage!

>>16923408
Oh, and the L8 6/6 squad of Abjurers

>>16923398
Well, we ran into that particular ethical crisis faster than I expected. The Transpace Guard are going to have a fun time figuring that one out.

Hey OP, how long will it take to jailbreak the District 9 mechs to not use Prawn DNA and NOT kill the pilots like some fuel soruce?

>>16923408
Are we sure we want Data?
Wouldn't either a specialist mage or anti-mage be more useful? Like the Culexus or a named mage character?

For example, think of the hilarity of an unaware sue versus a culexus.

Or for that matter the predator...

>>16923434
I don't really see the point of having Data. We could use a Culexus more though.

>>16923418
>>16923408
Yep. I'm good with this.

>>16923408
Can we grab 1-4 Protoss observers, either as part of the Drone team, or instead of 2 squads of Bio masks? Their cloaked observing (which detects cloaked units) would be neat.
>>16923434
God damn it people. Pick what you want and stick to it.

>>16923446
I see the point of data, or to be more precise, I see the point of a science hero at some point.
However at the moment I think we have enough science based stuff, we have picked up quite alot. The culexus will just be usefull in combat, which is the meat of this quest.

>>16923434
>For example, think of the hilarity of an unaware sue versus a culexus.
With a ysalimiri on his back and a reality emitter on his belt and an anti-magic cloak from DnD?
PERFECTION!

>>16923464
>just be useful in combat
that came out wrong, I meant he will be extremely useful in combat and useful in any fear tactics we decide to run.

>>16923446
>>16923434
We already have Reality Emitter-equipped Silencers.

SUE's don't run off of the Warp, so most of their powers won't get nullified by the Culexus anyway; it'll be the Reality Emitter doing most of that.

And a Culexus assassin would only be of use to us as either a combat unit against Warp-based enemies, or to create a field of nullification for our away team.

Data, on the other hand, would be useful in our Tech Science role, and as an android, has a certain utility against various types of enemies.

I am open to suggestions of a Magic Researcher Hero; do you have one in mind?

rolled 4 = 4

>>16923464
>>16923446
>>16923434
Okay. Let's settle this.

1-20: Data
21-40: Culexus
41: BLORP

>FFT White Mages (Mission Completion Reward)
Cool.
>Seer council (Lida Exodite World, Mission Completion Reward)
Not familiar with.
>X-com Apocalypse scientists (Mission Completion Reward)
Cool.
>District 9 Mechs (Mission Completion Reward)
Hm, those are neat and all. Personally I would vote for ACS units from the Legacy of the Aldenata series. Good solid protection there.
>TG Recruit squad (36/36. Equipped with Pulse Rifles, Laser Rifles, and Fat Men.)
>Lt. Commander Data
Yes, yes.
>20 X-COM TFTD scientists
More science, awesome.
>Pre-Fab Bunkers/Defensive Structures
Argh. I'd just rather a way to _make_ such things rather than spend resources on buildings that may ultimately be destroyed.
>Enough Advanced Bio-Stabilizer Masks. (Immune mind affect/poison) for 12 squads.
Everyone does seem paranoid about this.
>Drone Squad (16/16)
We seemed to be looking at this for spying/scouting reasons, so Oberver drones sound like the best choice.
>Psion Team (L8 6/6)
Who are we looking at for this?
>K.I. Silencer additions/Squad refill
Shame we lost so many KI.

>>16923492
>Argh. I'd just rather a way to _make_ such things rather than spend resources on buildings that may ultimately be destroyed.
WE now have enough money to buy a tier-1 ENgineer from Supcom or TA, now.

>>16923434
You forget, Culexus isn't anti-magic, it's anti-warp/psyker. KI Silencers will do that for us.

I sense a soul in search of answers
That sounds like a... a HUGE, GARGANTUAN, SWOLLEN, BLOATED MUSHROOM!
One small step one for man. One giant ...
STOP POKING ME

>>16923492
>Argh. I'd just rather a way to _make_ such things rather than spend resources on buildings that may ultimately be destroyed.
Any of those ways would require Ship Upgrades.
Not just 1 Ship Upgrade for the Industrial Replicator, but also another Ship Upgrade for the Bulk Transporter.
And how are you going to power all of this? Industrial Replicators are meant to provide for entire planets, capable of building power plants and factories. The Indefatigable won't be able to power it, and the Relentless would have to diver almost all of its spare power to it, and the Oncoming Storm, as a Cruiser, doesn't have the power output.

>>16923510
see
>>16923498

>>16923408
Wait, what happeened to the abjurers? Or did we decide to get rid of them?

>>16923487
As for magic researcher hero, agatha heterodyne was suggested and seems like a solid choice.

>>16923518
We have the Abjurers.

>>16923510
A RTS construction unit would do with fiddling with ship upgrades. Without a bulk-porter we can't get ANY structures down to the ground. Premade or self-made.

>>16923524
They're not on the latest list from OP.

>>16923518
>agatha heterodyne
She's a Spark. That means that she is a Canon SUE. She doesn't do science, she warps reality to make her idea of 'science' work.
Admittedly it can be reverse engineered, but really, the laws of physics from there are more like guidelines.

>>16923512
And? You'd still have to transport the Engineer down, and wait for it to finish constructing the defense structures.
Our transporters aren't Bulk Transporters, so the size of what they beam down is limited.

The whole purpose of getting pre-fabbed defense structures is so that we can provide on-demand defensible structures to away teams in the middle of a firefight.

Explain how your TA Engineer is going to do that, when it has to be scavenging for resources.

>>16923538
>Explain how your TA Engineer is going to do that, when it has to be scavenging for resources.
THey can build t-1 laser turrets in five seconds, max.
They can strip a small mountain of resources in minutes.
They can have a small army in thirty minutes.

Ad at the end of it all? It can all be reclaimed, so that no trace is left behind.

>>16923533
They're still on the list.
See: >>16923418

>>16923418
>>16923533
*poke*

>>16923546
When we get the Engineering ship upgrades and the large-scale teleporter, we can get the TA Engineer instead of the industrial fabricator.

>>16923536
There is no such thing as a Canon SUE.
You might say there are canon 'mary sues', but that is not the same thing.
A SUE is a disruptive, reality bending, canon breaking entity, sometimes taking over canon characters and having them become something completely non-canon. Like President Darth Vader and his flag-tie and disco attacks.

>>16923551
Ah, I missed that

>>16923546
Oh, and I almost forgot, they're armor is asort of energized neutronium. The explanation the devs gave was that they explode when they die because their generators run out of power to sustain the armor, since all the weapons are so overkill it isn't even funny.

>>16923557
>When we get the Engineering ship upgrades and the large-scale teleporter, we can get the TA Engineer instead of the industrial fabricator.
Well, drats.
What about the Executor? Isn't it ready yet?

>>16923532
Exactly.
Without bulk-porters there is no point in pre-fabbed structures.

Maybe we're looking at this defensive structure thing from the wrong angle.
Let's try magic instead of tech.
Bring in some Earth Elemental Warlocks, and we can have them raise walls of magically enhanced earth and stone in seconds, plus they have access to other spells and Earth Elemental allies.

Waiting for new thread.

>>16923532
>>16923569
For larger pre-fabbed structures, yes, we would need a Bulk Transporter.
But that's not the only things we bought.
We also bought small, chest-high slabs of ferro-crete that we can beam down to provide emergency cover for away teams during a firefight.
A transporter pad meant for 5 people can transport a structure of that size, as it still fits on the transporter pad.

>>16923630
Hold on a second:
How powerful are the Asgard teleports?