Plains: Bonus to food, penalty to defense.

Near River: Bonus to food, penalty to architecture.

Mountains: Bonus to defense, penalty to food.

Desert: No bonus, penalty to food, population, and defense.

Forest: Bonus to defense and food, penalty to tech and weapons.

I will work on a map while the race and start location is picked.

Humans, Mountains.

bump

Dwarves

... fortress.

>>16706935
second.

>>16706935
Was gonna say Dwarves, but sure I'll cast a vote for mountain humans.

>>16706935
Sounds reasonable.

Humans, Mountains.

(Also you should give desert a defense bonus or isolated perk)

Lizardmen in the Forest!

>>16706963

Okay, mountain humans it is. Un momento.

Your people treked many, many months to the South-east of your homeland, to escape slavery and oppression perpetrated against them. You are hardy bunch, intelligent and inventive, though not the strongest of races, and not gifted at all in the ways of the arcane.

Your village consist of a dozen or so caves in the side of a massive mountain, which itself is one of the smaller mountains in the mountain range. Snow falls day and night but never gets too thick, it snows purely because of the altitude.

Your government is tribal. You have a chief, and a circle of tribal councilors. Your chief is ready to pass his first judgement. What will it be?

A. Scavenge for food.
B. Try to improve caves.
C. Try to improve weapons.
D. Research new technology.
E. Practice Magic.

Population: 150
Food: Scarce
Architecture: Rough Caves
Weapons: Rocks
Tech: Poor
Magic: Poor
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier

A

(Can we group our population for tasks?)

>A. Scavenge for food.

>>16707107
I vote weapons, to better hunt the goats which must be found in the mountains.
It doesn't hurt that we can also obliterate any potential raiders either.

>>16707107

A: Start Scavenging for food, we'll need a surplus if we're going to get anywhere.

B
Cave improvements

>>16707123
It's assumed that the majority of the population is devoted to one thing or another, but as time goes by you will have a standing army and a standing number of farmers.

>>16707107
A and B, together if possible. I'd like us to rely as little as possible on the outer world. Finding a way to grow food in the caves would benefit us greatly. If two options are not doable at once, food must come first.

>>16707107
Will the freshness of our food be a factor?
If no, Scavenge for food. Survival comes first.
If yes, then practice magic. It is our duty to learn how to appease the spirits (and having powerfull magic will be something to be proud of once we're more advanced)

Your great chieftain has deemed food to be the top priority. Your people begin scavenging the mountains for anything edible.

Some of the top hunters bring back four garrish looking animals. They're easily as big as a man with huge horns protruding from their heads. Your people have never seen anything like them, and think them forces of evil. They're tasty though.

Some of your women return with several bushels of barries. They're terrible bitter, but strangely filling. Apparently there is a large outcrop of the bushes near the village on an outcrop.

What is your next choice?
_____________________________________________
A. Scavenge for food.
B. Try to improve caves.
C. Try to improve weapons.
D. Research new technology.
E. Practice Magic.
_____________________________________________
Population: 160
Food: Barely Sufficient
Architecture: Rough Caves
Weapons: Rocks
Tech: Poor
Magic: Poor
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier

>>16707176
Freshness is not a factor, no.
Also, I'll post the map when the map changes, but not if nothing on the map changes.

Dubs gets to name our tribe, and our chieftain, if you guys want.

>>16707186
Still voting E. Guess I'm alone with that, though.

bump

I say we try to improve our ability to defend ourselves. Would bows count as new technology or trying to improve our weapons? Whatever bows count as is my vote.

>>16707186

B. Try to improve caves.

Dig out/designate several cool/dry areas of our cave to be used as food and supply storage rooms.

B or D

>>16707202
I gotta agree, work with E so we can maybe get some bonuses later.

>C. Try to improve weapons.

better weapons -> more efficient hunting -> more time for other tasks

And will provide some basic defense.

>>16707186
B

E.

I'm now a necromancer.

>>16707234
I dunno, seems like we're already able to capture and kill whatever those big things horns are, and we've got the berries. I vote B for the next round, then C.

If we research new tech, can we specify which direction the research should go?

Like, hunting tools or crafting tools?

Your chief orders some of the men to try and dig further into the mountains.

At first progress is good. Using flat rocks, they dig past the soft soil layer and create a rudimentary cave system connecting the dozen caves together. It is not very long before they hit hard stone and they can go no further though. They would need some better tools to progress.

Because of now having much more room and privacy, population grows faster.

What is your Chieftain's next choice?

*Special Event*
A delegation of extremely short creatures approach your tribe. There are ten of them, wielding pickaxes. They look like humans except short, hairy, and with elongated ears. They are offering you technology in exchange for becoming their semi-autonomous servants.
A1. Try and kill them.
B1. Accept their offer.
C1. Politely decline.
D1. Your choice. (If someone chooses D1 and their suggestion get's three linked votes, then D1 will win.)
_____________________________________________
A. Scavenge for food.
B. Try to improve caves.
C. Try to improve weapons.
D. Research new technology.
E. Practice Magic.
_____________________________________________
Population: 200
Food: Scarce
Architecture: Cave System
Weapons: Rocks
Tech: Poor
Magic: Poor
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier

>>16707301
D1.

Kill them and attempt to raise them to serve as our undead slaves.

>>16707274
You can. The first person to designate what tech will be researched, that's what tech will be researched.

D. Research new technology

>>16707301
>>16707320
You get two votes by the way. My bad.

D1. We need to know the pros and cons. Are they offering protection? What kind of technology? What would we owe them?

D. Tools

>>16707301

D1: Kill the short men and take their weapons!

D. Research new technology.

Look for any metals that would help improve our tools.

>>16707301
B1
E

C1
C

D: Research cave farming.

>>16707301
D1 - accept the deal, find out more about them, but prepare to betray our masters sooner or later. They'll propably not accept a "no", so we might as well accept as long as we still can, without being forced into it without getting anything.

A

D wins, still waiting on the Special Event choice.

>>16707348

This D1
Also, D: Cave farming

D1: Attempt to form some sort of trade agreement. Perhaps some big-horn meat?

Speaking of which, we need to gather more food, so A as well. (I'm assuming we choose 1 of each?)

>>16707301
D1, offer an alliance between us. If they give us some of their technology we will come to their aid against their enemies. Alternatively, just sign a mutual defence pact if they find the previous offer unacceptable.

Dwarven allies FTW.

>>16707357
They will die by traitor's hand!

>>16707357
I'm with this guy.

>>16707357
this.

>>16707378

GET OUT OF HERE ALPHARIUS YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF WE'RE GOING TO KILL THINGS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK THEM IN THE EYE AND SCREAM BLOODY MURDER WHILE WE BREAK THEIR HEAD IN.

>>16707357
Well
Yeah
This D1

Can we send some people over to their town once we accepted their deal? Check out their numbers and stuff.
See if we can already take 'em.

>>16707402
After we gather their tech, you brute.
Think past the next bloodshed and I will give you more enemies than you can dream of.
But you will shed blood when I say so.

>>16707424
GATHER DA BOYZ!
S' KRUMPIN' TIME!
WAAAAAAAAAGH!

D and >>16707357 D1, sorry other D1s I got impatient.
Anyway.
_____________________________________________
Your chieftain accepts the deal and invites them to feast in the largest of your caves. Upon seeing your cave system they laugh whole heartedly. They explain they call themselves Dwarves and that they are a race that lives to the
South, they even provide a map showing us the entirety of the mountains with their settlements marked. When they leave, the Dwarves take twenty of your women with them.

After they leave, your chieftain and the circle agree it would be best to be ready to betray them when the time comes. The Dwarves provide you with thirty pickaxes, and explain what they're used for. (Mining discovered).

Your chieftain orders the brightest of your tribe to start researching how to grow food. They discover that they can easily enough transplant the bushes that they found on the ridge to just outside your cave system on the plateau there. (Farming discovered)
_____________________________________________
A. Dedicate more people to farming.
B. Try to improve caves.
C. Try to improve weapons.
D. Research new technology.
E. Practice Magic.
_____________________________________________
A1. Betray the Dwarves.
B1. Ask for more tech.
C1. Do nothing.
_____________________________________________
Population: 195 (+15 every turn)
Food: Barely sufficient. (20 farmers.)
Architecture: Cave System
Weapons: Rocks
Tech: Poor
Magic: Poor
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier

>>16707429

>>16707461
B
C1

>>16707461
B, C1.

>>16707471
Sorry, meant C, not B.

>>16707461
A + C1

We should practice magic in a bit though.

B. Try to improve caves.

C1. Do nothing.

>>16707461
Do we get our women back?
D
C1

Also i'd like to send someone to check the dwarf settlements out.

>>16707461
B
C1

>>16707461

>the Dwarves take twenty of your women with them.

A1. Betray the Dwarves.

Kill them with their own Pickaxes, nobody touches our women and that was not part of the deal.

C1 takes it.

A, C1

>>16707461
B
B1
better caves -> more people -> later more farmers etc

>>16707482
Personally, I'm hoping we DO get the woman back sooner or later and that they'll have more details than a lone scout looking at it for a few days

>>16707486

Cowards, also voting for B. Try and flatten out the areas outside our caves to make farming easier.

C. Try to improve weapons.
C1. Do nothing.

B

Can we reverse-engineer these Picked Oxes?
Maybe we can find the ox tree and get some for ourselves...
Or figure out they're not picked but made, and thus discover Metal.

>>16707508
>Cowards
Pretending to be nice slaves for a while will make it easier to get their trust, wich'll allow us to ask for more later on... shortly before decide that we have enough technology to stand on our own now.
Serve those who're more powerful, untill you're powerfull enough to overthrow them.

>>16707535

I would sooner die on my feet than live on my knees.

B, C1.

Your chief orders the caves to be expanded, with the new techniques of mining. Many months pass of your men laboriously expanding your cave systems. They dig deep into the mountain, creating side rooms and storage areas, even a dormitory. It is a vast improvement over your previous cave system. During the excavations, your people found a vein of shiny, grey, rock. They didn't know what to do with it, but it wasn't as brittle as the rock around it. They stored it in large baskets in the storage area. (Iron vein discovered).

The Dwarves returned shortly before the excavations ended and saw that your people had discovered a rich Iron vein. They had no use for such primitive metals as Iron, but they did show us how to make a furnace and how to smelt the Iron. (Smelting discovered). The Dwarves also returned our women. They were beaten, bruised, and broken. Not to mention, very pregnant. Their tongues had been cut out and their teeth removed. It also seems they're arms were just now healing from being broken. The Dwarves took twenty more women, threatening any who tried to stop them.

What is your next choice?
_____________________________________________
A. Dedicate more people to farming.
B. Try to improve caves.
C. Try to improve weapons.
D. Research new technology.
E. Practice Magic.
_____________________________________________
A1. Betray the Dwarves.
B1. Ask for more tech.
C1. Do nothing.
_____________________________________________
Population: 210 (+15 every turn)
Food: Barely sufficient. (20 farmers.)
Architecture: Intricate Cave System
Weapons: Pickaxes and Rocks
Tech: Poor
Magic: Poor
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier + Narrow Cave Hallways

D, reverse engineer those pickaxes and find ways to make them ourselves.

>>16707562
And I'd sooner live on my knees for a few years and on a glorious throne for the remainder of eternity than die on my feet.

>>16707571
E, B1.

>>16707571
A1. I don't care what we do, but we betray the Dwarves. Faggots won't keep beating and fucking our women.

>>16707571
I want to say A1 so fucking much, but I can't imagine we'd win.
Lets use the Iron to improve our weapons first.

Whoops, here is the map, by the way.

>>16707571
C

Interrogate the women

A1, kill all dwarfs in our cave but keep quiet about it.

We need some weapons. Better weapons. Iron weapons.

So that we can kill those smelly little fuckers. ...soon.

So, Research Weapon Tech (Whether that's C or D, I'm not sure)

and C1

>>16707571
E: Practice *Healing* Magic, if we can choose, otherwise C
B1: If they refuse, explain that we didn't quite anticipiated the price we had to pay for their... "protection".

>>16707571

A1

>Dwarves also returned our women. They were beaten, bruised, and broken. Not to mention, very pregnant. Their tongues had been cut out and their teeth removed. It also seems they're arms were just now healing from being broken. The Dwarves took twenty more women, threatening any who tried to stop them.

Kill them all, behead them and pile their heads outside our caves, clean out their skulls and stick them on pikes, throw their corpses out for the wolves.

>>16707461

E, C1.

The dwarves clearly have technology and resources we don't, if not our numbers, or else they wouldn't need slaves.

I think we ought to practice our magic and try to expand the power of our people before picking fights.

C, B1. We will bide our time. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Voting for A1 right now would be suicidal, I think.
Might as well let our grudge stew a bit more until we improve our society.

Anyway, voting for C. I'm guessing we could do that even with the barely-sufficient food supply. I'm voting for farming next turn, though.

>>16707571

C.

Sharpen our Pickaxes, make more of them from the Iron we have and get ready to kick some dwarven shit in.

Also, we should have done this 2 turns ago.

We study magic since the Dwarves are far advanced in terms of tech.
We also get more farmer, we'll swarm them.

>>16707571
C
A1
Have those sons of bitches pay!
Nobody treats the sons of the mountains like this!

>>16707610

This, nobody touches our women like that and gets away with it.

I'm voting for C. We need to start stockpiling weapons caches so we can pay them back for what they've done.

Also, B1. Considering that they are treating us in this manner, I don't think it's unreasonable for us to ask for newer technologies.

Thank God we're not playing with morale in this game, because there would be a riot if we let them take another 20 after this. It might come it, though.

I had a bad conscience for wanting to betray the dwarfs, but these fuckers are monsters.
We've got to develop into a powerful fighting force and crush them, before nothing but crippled woman and half-dwarven children remains of our young nation

>>16707620
I'd like to see you say that if you were the one getting beaten, gangraped and having you tongue and teethed pulled out.

You guys do what you want, but I'm going for them.

>>16707610
Also steal their weapons and armor.

C. Try to improve weapons.
B1. Ask for more tech.

This won't come into play for a while, I imagine, but I suggest we don't kill any offspring from the abused women.

I say we raise them, and train them to fight their own. Just food for future thought.

>>16707645
>>16707656

More cowards.

Guys
let's wait until the half dwarfs pop out. When they come to pick them up, we shall behead them before their eyes.
Then we behead the dwarfs.

>>16707635
It's terrible, but it's way to early. Fuckers have grown beyond the need for *Iron*. We have to find a way to... fix our poor women, then find out the dwarves weaknesses, then learn the ways of war and THEN let them pay.

> Your people treked many, many months to the South-east of your homeland, to escape slavery and oppression perpetrated against them. You are hardy bunch, intelligent and inventive, though not the strongest of races, and not gifted at all in the ways of the arcane.

> You swore allegiance to Dwarves and let them take your women away as sex slaves and return them to your pregnant and crippled for life.

Wow, we sure are clever.

>>16707666
"The humans are attacking, sir."

"Ha! Open the magma ducts."

I vote C and B1, preferably when they return our women, and are unarmed

They've fucking done it.

>>16707650
And possibly wipe out our group in the process? Yeah, no. We barely know anything about the dwarves, in-game. Going in right now is a ridiculously bad idea.

>>16707571
A1 + C

Raid the outlying villages and draw out the dwarves. Guerilla tactics.

We still know nothing of the dwarfs' numbers. How do they compare to us physically? How much dwarfs can one of us kill?

>>16707673
Yes, let's kill innocent children. That sounds like a good idea.

the're blasted dwarves. they prob suck arse at magic.

lets get some bright spark smoking weed and chanting, a magical advantage would help greatly.
it might even allow us to kill the dwarves who visit us without having the blame put on us as revenge for the women.

>>16707666
The line between bravery and stupidity is thin. You're suggesting we assault a technologically superior force we know nothing about, except for their technological superiority.

We could be wiped out in a turn, and no one would remember us, perhaps a footnote in their monstrous history. Or, we bide our time, grit our teeth and steel our souls with thoughts of bloody vengeance. When the time comes, their world shall come tumbling down in a hail of fire and ruin. They will cry blood and weep through shattered lips for mercy as we grind their bones into fine dust before pitching them headlong into whatever Hell their diseased minds have fashioned for themselves.

Our time will come.

>>16707691
Guerrilla tactics don't get us anything if they know where our HQ is.

>>16707683
"Wait, what are they using against us anyway?"
"Our pickaxes and a bunch of bows so primitive, a treehuger would be ashamed to look at them, sir."
"I guess we'll don't even need the magmaducts, they'll be lucky to pierce a single warriors armor like that."

>The Dwarves also returned our women. They were beaten, bruised, and broken. Not to mention, very pregnant. Their tongues had been cut out and their teeth removed. It also seems they're arms were just now healing from being broken. The Dwarves took twenty more women, threatening any who tried to stop them.
>not betraying them
If we have to we can bide our time, but otherwise? fuck em.

>>16707694
the're dwarf off-spring. chances are the'll be as vile as their fathers. however i agree we shouldn't kill them, yet. we should be ready to kill them though.

>>16707694

It's actually a great idea, there's no place in our tribe for half-breeds.

>>16707691
Guerilla tactics don't work when they know where our base is.

1. Herd the Hornbeasts (A)
2. Make better weapons, long ones. (C)
3. Study magic (E)
4. Refuse to let them take our women. THIS IS MOUNTAIN!

C and B1

Our Chief, infuriated but composed, orders our people to start practicing the smelting techniques the dwarves taught us. We quickly discover that blackening the berry bushes and then using them in the smelting process creates a stronger metal. (High-Carbon Iron discovered). Our people figure out easily how to smelt pickaxes and create molds to do it quicker, we also discover that the berry bushes can be cured and made sturdy, yet flexible. An Iron tipped stick can be fired from it once it is strung with fur from the great horned beast. (Bows discovered.)

While our people experimented with the various metals, a delegation was sent to the dwarf Capital. It didn't look like much from the oustide, but inside it was wonder. The caverns were huge and ornately decorated. They had many different types of metal. They're king sat on a large throne, made of some yellow metal, with our women lined up next to him in chains, looking down at their feet. We asked him for more tech, stating we didn't know they would be taking our women. They agree and teach us how to smelt various defensive objects (gates, doors, and barricades discovered), and the best way to structure a cave system for maximum efficiency.

What is your next choice?
_____________________________________________
A. Dedicate more people to farming.
B. Try to improve caves.
C. Try to improve weapons.
D. Research new technology.
E. Practice Magic.
F. Found a New Settlement
_____________________________________________
A1. Betray the Dwarves.
B1. Ask for more tech.
C1. Do nothing.
_____________________________________________
Population: 230 (+20 every turn)
Food: Somewhat sparce. (20 farmers.)
Architecture: Intricate Cave System
Weapons: Pickaxes and Bows
Tech: Poor
Magic: Poor
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier + Narrow Cave Hallways

>>16707707
Or we could just up and go again, and this time find a place where we can ACTUALLY escape slavery.

Guys wait, where do the dwarfs get their water? Because we could totally shit in it.

If they are as vile as their fathers, a possibility I'm not sure is certain, we train and condition them into violent pitfighters that will be the first to make the assault on their citadel. Thanks for the cannon fodder, bitches.

>>16707728
B + A1

Build a fortress and attack the outlying Dwarven settlements.

>>16707728

F. Found a New Settlement

If we're too cowardly to attack them, have most of our women and children move down the mountain with a few men, hopefully to a hilly forest or something like that.

A & C1

An army will do us no good if it starves to death.

>>16707741
I still think we should ask where their water comes from. It's probably some river we can all shit in.

>>16707728

E, C1.

We need glorious tribal mages as soon as possible to negate the dwarves' superior tech.

>>16707728
F. New settlement.
C1. Do nothing since you fucks don't care about our women.

>>16707728
C, C1

I will be revamping the A1 et cetera options next turn, they don't give enough freedom.

>>16707757
Actually, you're right. It might be worth trying to go down and find some allies against the Dwarves. We should scout before we build a town though.

>>16707733
Untill we meet our next masters.
No, the dwarves made to mistakes:
The first was to make it personal.
The second was to grant us a degree of autonomy.
We will rise, we will crush them, forge our own empire on the ashes of theirs and never be slaves again.

E: Healing
C1

>>16707728
I'm thinking A and C1. I'd ask for more tech, but then the dwarves might just ask for more women as payment.

...or maybe we could ask for more tech, then we kill their delegates, then put the blame on the horned beasts.

>>16707728
e - practise magic.

we're never going to be superior to the dwarves in armour/sword shit. we need magic

D
C1
We should research traps, they would help in hunting, help defenses, and would aid in the betrayal of the dwarfs.

>or maybe we could ask for more tech, then we kill their delegates, then put the blame on the horned beasts.
That'd propably make them ask for even more women.

E

C
C1

A+C1, want to have a surplus of food before we expand our settlement.

E and B1

E
Because we need fireballs.

>>16707842
Guys, how about this: Burn random stuff near our settlement, send many people away to found a new settlement and tell the dwarves that we sere stricken by a Plague and had to burn the corpses. They'll propably consider us even more harmless, will be more generous (because we can't do anything against them anymore) and'll maybe ask for less women, to allow us to repopulate.

C. Try to improve weapons.
B1. Ask for more tech.

C

B1

The Half-Dwarven children are born. They are slightly taller than Dwarves, but shorter than humans, and less intelligent than both. It seems the Human and Dwarven races are not a good mix, as the children are deformed and mutated, with haunched backs and harlips common amongst them. There is no news on the women that were taken the last time the Dwarves visited. They have not been returned.

We have run out of room on our plateau for the berry bushes, which have prospered under our cultivation. In fact this year the bushes grew bigger and produced more than the last harvest. However, when planted in caves they quickly wither and die, and our population is growing quickly. The bushes and wild Hornbeast meat will only last so long.

Our people begin to practice magic. They are, at first, terribly at it. In fact many spells fail or have the opposite of the desired effect. However, after several months our people can do very basic healing magic. It doesn't go much farther than healing a shallow cut or a bruise though.
_____________________________________________
A. Try to improve caves.
B. Try to improve weapons.
C. Research new technology.
D. Practice Magic.
E. Found a New Settlement
F. Explore

Farmers will now auto-increase.
_____________________________________________
A1. Betray the Dwarves.
B1. Ask for more tech.
C1. Renegotiate your Agreement.
D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.
E1. Do nothing.
F1. Your choice
_____________________________________________
Population: 270 (+20 every turn)
Food: Barely Sufficient. (25 farmers.)
Architecture: Intricate Cave System
Weapons: Pickaxes and Bows
Tech: Poor
Magic: Poor
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier + Narrow Cave Hallways

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL6wlTDPiPU

Now that we have some proper weapons can we start recruiting people into a milita/standing army?

We seem to have a lot of people who are sitting around not pulling their own weight (only 20 farmers for more than 200 people).

>>16707893

F

B1

Hopefully we can find some new sources of food, and get some new tech to help in our betrayal.

E. Settlement + F1, this: >>16707880

>>16707893

E. Explore. We should head down the mountain and see what is around us.

D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.

>>16707893
About the Dwarf Children.

A2. Kill the scourge.
B2. Nurture the poor souls.
C2. Send them to the dwarves.

You have three choices total.

>>16707914

B2

>>16707893
F
E1

is possible, keep practising magic. and hopefully find someone via exploration who hates the dwarves.

>>16707912

Derp, F explore.

>>16707907

THis.

F1
B1

Our population is growing too fast so we need more room and farmland if we want to sustain our growth rate

D. Practice Magic.

B1. Ask for more tech.

>>16707914

A2

>>16707893
A or B, and I'm thinking of C1 too but I reckon they've just done something unspeakable to the woman and they'd ask for something else even worse (Male children to be slaves or something).

B2.
Indoctrinate them to hate the real dwarfs. Give them a feeling of unlimited superiority over them.

D. Try to get some sort of Fertility magic, but keep it as a secret to be used on a future second settlement, instead of our "capital".

C1. Try to find out more about how EXACTLY they view us and about how much we can ask from them in the futur for how little without pissing them off to much.

>>16707914
C2

Except only send half. Keep the rest for fodder.

>>16707914

C2

If it's contagious we don't want them around. That and they shouldn't be allowed to breed with the healthy population

>>16707914
B2 - use them as labour at the very least. if some of them as stupidly loyal, train them in some fighting stuff.

>>16707914
A2

>>16707893

D, C1. Ask the Dwarves where all our Human women at.

Also if the half dwarves are stupid, it could possibly mean they're suggestible/controllable. We could raise them harshly and train them as bezerkers for our eventual betrayal, where they would make ironic and devastating shock troops (hypothetically).

Also, if they ask for any more of our women, could we instead dress the settlement's homosexuals as traps and convince the dwarves to take these instead? This way our population doesn't suffer.

>>16707914
B2.
Make sure they consider themselves human, not dwarves and hate their "fathers" for what they did to them and their mothers.

>>16707893
Form a new settlement to the south and developt new technology of our own.
We need larger food supplies and a larger population.

Treat the half children well, with lucky, their mutation will make their hardier. Teach them to be proud of their Human blood, and let them become farmers.

>>16707893

F, E1, B2.

We must explore more options, and increase our magic. Dwarven engineering will be no much for our powerful magics when it is time to strike.

Also, we should treat the Half-Breeds well. Put them to work in the fields, and make sure they are fairly dealt with.

We are not monsters...yet.

those dwarves are gonna get it!
make weapons says I!

>>16707947
My reasoning for the first choice: The dwarves have quality. We can, maybe even the field a bit with combat magic, but as primitive as we still are compared to them, we'll also need quantity.

Why is everyone trying to increase magic? Humans get a penalty for that, no?

We should focus on researching tech. Steam and whatnot so we get steam tanks.

F, E1, and B2. Raise the little mutant buggers to be something akin to slayers. Because they're tainted with foul Dwarf blood, their only hope is death by way of smashing dwarven skulls until they die. Also, see if their mutations alter the effects of magic on them.

C. Research new technology.
D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.
B2. Nurture the poor souls.

>>16708013

Because the Dwarves have a massive lead on us technologically but have yet to demonstrate any forms of magic. Humans are bad at magic, but if I've understood this correctly, not as bad as dwarves. So if we carry on researching magic we can level the playing feild earlier. Although it certainly wouldn't hurt to find out just how much the dwarves know of magic.

>>16707880
This.

I'd say we research steam.
Make machines that can do heavy lifting.

>>16708013
I'd imagine the fact that it is presumably light on resources helps, given that humans get a boost to population and dwarves get a penalty which means we can outnumber them.

>>16708013
this is a valid point. it seems counter-intuitive. but we're not going to out-tech an established dwarf 'empire'. so we should try and do both ideally, tech and magic then imbue our tech with magic. then fuck the dawrves in the arsehole with very very sharp and rusty utensils.

E
D1
B2
We need new and better tech. We can get that out of raids. Those powerdrunk bastards won't give us the good stuff on their own. We must take it.

And we must raise those children into the seed of our revenge. Ruthless killers, loyal only to our blood. The more madden and stupid, the better.

When we can spread and grow in number without their knowledge, we can outbreed and eventually overrun them.

Guys,
Let's find out just how many dwarfs there are. Maybe we can out-grind them by throwing bodies at them?

Because of how quickly we are growing, it is decided that we need a new settlement to prevent overcrowding. A new cave system is excavated to the south and 150 humans are sent to the south. Our Chief becomes King, while a chief is instated in the other cave system that answers to the King. It was also decided by some community minded individuals to institute some of the plans the Dwarves had given us for our cave system, innovating our caves and starting from scratch at the other. Fifty people from each settlement volunteer and become the Milita, residing in the newly constructed barracks.

We send a delegation to the Dwarven capital again, to ask for more technical advances. We witness their military drills. In the capital, their militia is probably around two hundred strong. They have what are called 'swords' constructed of some kind of white metal. They also have heavy looking armor constructed of the same metal. They explain the metal is found deep, deep underground. They also have large thins called axes. We catch the King of the Dwarves, it appears, just as he is finished beating one of our women around. When we walk in she is being dragged away, covered in various fluids. The King shows us the kinds of crops that grow underground and gives us a large supply of something called Plumb Mushrooms, which we plant in our caves in large plots. (underground farming discovered.)
_____________________________________________
A. Try to improve caves.
B. Try to improve weapons.
C. Research new technology.
D. Practice Magic.
E. Found a New Settlement
F. Explore
_____________________________________________
A1. Betray the Dwarves.
B1. Ask for more tech.
C1. Renegotiate your Agreement.
D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.
E1. Do nothing.
F1. Your choice
Field was too long

_____________________________________________
Population: 300 (+20 every turn)
Farmers: 60
Miners: 40
Militia: 100
Smiths: 40
Idle: 60
Food: More Than Sufficient.
Architecture: Underground Fortress
Weapons: Pickaxes and Bows
Tech: Below Average
Magic: Below Average
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier + Narrow Cave Hallways + Gates and Barricades

>>16708065
Yes. Let's do that. First, we aren't advanced enough to effictivly use it and second, the dwarves either can do the same thing better or, in the unlikely case they don't demand the technology from us.

For now, our every every effort shall be directed at outliving the dwarves. Doing so will not only give our our well-earned revenge, it will also catapult us in a unique position of power, as we combine our own achivments with the fortifications captured, the riches and ressources plundered and the technology stolen from the dwarves.

Map

We must become masters of magic! Let's see how much their technology is worth after we convince the spirits of the mountain they live in to cause a major earthquake in each of their mountain homes!

>>16708075

Indeed, and we should see if our half dwarf kindred have any hidden talents for the imbuing of magic onto our technology, to see if they are good at 'enchantment' if you will.

E: Found a new settlement

D1: Quietly raid them

We can get the population advantage and with the tech from our raids maybe wage a war and win.

lets explore. maybe there are other tribes around that hates the dorfs too

I vote we tech up now.

D

Moar magic.

>>16708104
E. again
And practice magic

B. Try to improve weapons.

D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.

>>16708138
I agree with this ones logic.

>>16708104

D, E1.

Alright, now we have some hard data on what we're looking at.

Let's assume the dwarven army is outfitted in mithril, or some equally fantastic metal. Our bows won't do shit against them, unless! our archers are stupidly accurate, accurate enough to get headshots regularly.

Our militia should train extensively with the bow and arrows we've developed, we should also try to work out how to make longbows using wood and horned beast sinew.

F. Explore

Find the Elves, they should be able to teach us about magic...even if they don't want to.

(Hear that you pointy eared bastards? Humanity is coming.)

D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.

>>16708104
D Still in favor of magicaly increasing population growth, followed by war magic.

F1... try to judge the current dwarvish disposition to our race.

B. and D1. We should at least try to get ourselves some decent weapons first before delving into magic. Maybe research on some of their battle armors.

Also, D1 because the dwarves are pissing me off.

>>16708104
D
We need to do something they can't. But don't tell them.
F1
We should ask around among the dwarves, whether they all support the politics and ...antics of their king.
Maybe we can get us some credit with traitors in their ranks.

>>16708168
While we're at it we should find a way to magically imbue our Iron arrowheads

Good thing we didn't attack straight off. Not only would we have failed to rescue the women, we would have been slaughtered.

D and F1, The F1 I suggest is that we keep our new settlement(s) hidden from the dwarves at all costs. This will disguise our strength which means they'll continue to give us tech without feeling threatened by our population, and we can research more outwardly offensive things in the hidden settlements away from their eyes. Also +1 for magic, I guess that would also help with the hiding our stuff worth hiding.

>>16708178
Actually... yeah. Do we know something about elves existing in this world and about their stance on dwarves?

>>16708104
C + E1

We need to get our tech up to scratch.

Also, quick query. That thing below the mountains, is that sand?

F. Find the Elves and see if we can subjugate them.

B1, ask for more tech.

So why has no one suggested taming the Horned Beasts? We could use them as cattle as well as mounts.

>>16708104
D and F. regarding the dwarves i want to say D1 but we need more info. do we know of an out-post or something which is isolated? do we have trackers who will be able to obscure signs of it being a human attack?

whats happening with the half-dwarfs? maybe we can use a raid as a test to see which of them have taken to hating their sires.

>>16708225
Yeah. Mithril mesh won't do shit when you're trampled down by a fucking horn beast.

>>16708225
Because we're inside a mountain and trying to defeat a race that also lives in caves. They'd be kind of useless there.

>>16708225
I think this round of voting is probably done, but this sounds good for the next round.

>>16708225
because herding is also tech. which we haven't been doing that much. been stealing mostly from the dwarves while doing other stuff.

good idea though, which we should consider in the future when we're not swimming in food already.

>>16708216
Silly anon, tech is what we have the dwarves for. We should focus on things they won't provide us with.

We decide to expand further, creating a settlement on the highest peak we can find, as close to the edge of the mountain range as possible. We build it at the peak of this mountain, and the citizens sent there report seeing several of what looked like villages down in the desert that lie just on the edge of the mountain. They can't make out any figures clearly, but they're clearly inhabited. (Naga civilization discovered)

We also start quietly raiding the dwarves. We take out two of their smaller settlements that lie on the surface. They are wiped out without much resistance, they were apparently almost exclusively dedicated to smelting and mining. There were no survivors and we took a good supply of the white metal, as well as schematics for what looked like a giant deformed humanoid made of metal or maybe rock. We also take their tech that was there. (Coal discovered, Meteorite metal discovered, swords discovered, Metal Golems discovered [Don't have the right materials though]. Advanced underground mining discovered.) We sent 80 humans to raid, 30 came back.
_____________________________________________
A. Try to improve caves.
B. Try to improve weapons.
C. Research new technology.
D. Practice Magic.
E. Found a New Settlement
F. Explore
_____________________________________________
A1. Betray the Dwarves.
B1. Ask for more tech.
C1. Renegotiate your Agreement.
D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.
E1. Do nothing.
F1. Your choice
_____________________________________________
Population: 400 (+60 every turn)
Farmers: 80
Miners: 60
Militia: 200
Smiths: 60
Idle: 0
Food: Plentiful.
Architecture: Underground Fortress
Weapons: Pickaxes, Swords, and Bows
Tech: Above Average
Magic: Below Average
Defenses: Natural Mountain Barrier + Narrow Cave Hallways + Gates and Barricades

>>16708243
>Inside a mountain
The Horn Beasts live SPECIFICALLY ON MOUNTAINS, and are therefore probably pretty adept at kicking ass on said mountains.
>lives in a cave
This is a good point. However, they would provide us a massive advantage in open combat, as well as a good source of food. Mounted archers, anyone?

>>16708288
Map didn't update. Hey, I'mma start a new thread. Also get some tea, take a piss, just take a short break.

C. Research new technology.
D1. Quietly raid them, try and pass it off as other dwarves raiding them.

F, I say we meet the naga and see if they hate dwarves. Seeing how they treat us, the naga probably have had some shit from them over the years.

D1, We got a shit ton of tech last raid, we should keep this up. Don't let the dwarves get suspicious though.

D:
Look for something that can help our arrows punch through their armor. Use raided metal for testing.

F1:
Gather more intel on the dwarfs.

How are our mutants doing?

>>16708288
I think we should call off our deal with the Dwarves. As a kind we shouldn't suffer the great injustice that we originally were trying to escape.

>>16708288
B. Try to improve weapons.
Gotta make use of this new tech we've "discovered."

F1. Your choice
Send a delegation to the towns that were spotted in an attempt to learn about them, find out their disposition towards the dwarves, and possibly form an alliance.

>>16708288

D, F1.

Practice magic, and secondly, start training our warriors in the use of the weapons and armor we looted from the settlements. See if we can smelt the white metal in suits of armor that will fit a human.

F: Investigate Naga
B1: Ask for more tech

D and E1. We need to lay low a little and utilize these new techs. We cannot allow the dwarfs to realize that we are betraying them just yet. They could wipe us out with a single attack (blocking the entrances to our caves, for example). Speaking of which... alternate entrances?

>>16708343
New thread

>>16708288
get in contact with the naga. perhaps this time we can forge a proper relation-ship/alliance. they teach us magic, we bolster numbers and help them with architecture.
C - research shields/armour/weapons.
E1 do nothing, dont raid anymore, we lost enoguh peopel for now.

also make sure the shit we stole is hidden well at the mountain peak settlement. jsut in case the dwarves come investigating.

>>16708288
How much time has passed since the dwarves have send us back what remained of the first twenty women? Now, that we're growing more and more powerfull and have blown our first strike against the dwarves, it might be time hold a small festival in honor of their sacrifce.

Beyond that:
F: Send a small delegation to the new civilization we have found, make sure they can't track our origin.
B1: Pretend to be scared of raiders who, on multiple occasions almost got your scouts, hunters and scavengers and beg for the secrets of armor.

And don't forget to hide our loot from the dwarves.

>>16708288
D
We need some blood magic going down in here.

F1
Designate diplomats and ask around the dwarves for resentments against the king. Not too obviously, though. We want them to survive their mission.

>>16708288

D: Practice the magic of earth. Seal them inside the mountains embrace forever!
F1: >>16708370

>>16708288

D. Gain knowledge of spirits, raise Banshee army from the tormented souls of the women who were beaten and tortured, study SOUND magic and become bard warlocks

Hurry alfonso