Factions of Fiction:
The Editors. The bastion between Meta and Fiction, and sworn to protect Canon by any means necessary.

The Fixers. Those who enter Fiction with the intention of only “Fixing” a few things from their perspective of the story. Loosely organized groups with small agendas, and mostly a nuisance.

The Shippers. Mercenary businessmen who travel the Rifts, importing magic and high-tech artifacts back to Meta to sell on the black market. When they fix their sights on kidnapping characters, though... Considerably more of a threat than Fixers.

The Firemen. Individuals convinced that the only way to defend Meta is to destroy every piece of dangerous Fiction that can be reached by Rift- and depending on the Fireman, that could be all of them. They harness the powers of the Fiction that they intend to destroy, and their machinations and plots from behind the scenes can unravel into a firestorm of war.

The Mary Sues. Individuals with imagination unbound by convention or power, corrupted to the core with the belief that Fiction exists as their playground, Sues can become unto Gods as they manifest within Fiction. The Editors were formed to fight this menace, and they do so with care, for fear of another Sue powerful enough to rend again Fiction’s walls, for Meta may not be able to handle another Crossover.

If you’d like to get in on the action as a player or GM, shoot me an email. The discussion continues apace, regardless.

Bumping, can't let this die. Come on, guys.

Anybody out there?

Yes, hell yes!

I'm going out to grab some food but I'll be back to see where this goes and maybe writefag a bit for a canned scenario.

Seems too meta for me.

Seems interesting, I'd like to here more, potentially would like to play. Do go on, good sir.

>>16531122
>picture
so... is he a retard shitting on his computer...
or is he, like, riding the computer really fast, and wearing the helmet for safetly, like a bike?

>>16531216
could be both, maybe?

>>16531216
He's obviously typing by memory and feeling with his feet, BACKWARDS, and is wearing the helmet in case he topples off into the endless void that surrounds him and his laptop.

Why is he doing this, you ask?

Because he's posting on 4Chan, of course! Everyone on 4Chan types like that!

>>16529282
So, the Editors want order, the Sues want chaos, the Fixers want change, the Shippers want control, and the Firemen want oblivion. Is that about right? I know it's not that simple, but I'm just trying to simplify it for simplicities sake....yes, I know what I just wrote. Shut up.

>>16531329
Pretty much, except that the only thing the shippers want is profit, most of the time.

>>16531345
Most of the time. Some shippers can be morally grey, like one that cruses around fiction worlds looking for medicine.

>>16531345
Right. So, these people all originated in Meta-world? Or are some of them Realitians who have slipped through and are now Editors, Sues, etc.?

>>16531361
No one from what we consider the "real" world can enter the meta-verse. But they are the ones that created and shaped it, and fan fiction writers from the real world are whats causing all the current instability in the meta verse.

Can we call the Shippers... Smugglers?
Shippers sound too close to the act of Shipping, which is Fixer and MS territory.

I wouldn't mind playing as a Shipper... seems like it'd be a fun role. Inter-Verse fiction smugglers, basicly.

I have the Editor ranks that were thought up in the last thread:
-Agents: the ones that makes the bulk of the jumpers. Trained in various info-gathering skills, as well as covert ops and combat maneuvers.
-Field Operatives: The Agents that are usually sent into other realities, from the organization's reality. Usually is the jack-of-all-trades, from setting up a 'base' to killing a MS.
-Sleeper Operatives: Agents who are either a local recruited to the organization, or field operatives that stayed behind to monitor further changes to the reality in question. Sometimes they work like Delta Green, cut off from support most of the time and must make do with whatever's in the field.
-Editors: Senior Agents who have learned how to manipulate reality, although not as disastrous as MS does. They are expected to use their powers to minimize damage to the reality, although some have gone rogue and turned MS themselves.
-Overseers/Administrators: the higher-ups in the organization, they decide which team of agents to send to a reality, whether to recruit from a reality, and ruling stuff like that. They also keep a close eye on each other, because due to the power under their command, they could easily turn into MS in their own reality, which would be disastrous.
-Proofreaders: People of specialized type, sometimes Editors, sometimes Agents, it is less a job as much as a medal. If you claim you are a fan of a series, book, or that you have memorized it's originality, you have a chance to be declared a proofreader, who will direct Editors and Agents, instructing them on what the setting allows, what part of the setting is broken, and how to fix it- and if the Sue is clever enough not to be obvious, you are the one to fish them out. Disabled Agents with no other abilities may become Proofreaders as a job, if they wish to still work for the Agency, in which they will memorize tomes to keep the settings in line, but otherwise will be discharged to civilian life.

>>16531376
Just picture it akin to the Imagination Land from that series of south park episode. Albeit the different settings are separated from each other like a series of universes layered one on top the other extending to infinity.

>>16531376
Ah, I see: unwitting agents of destruction, unaware of the impact they're having. I like it; it allows for chaos to start up at any time. But, if the Editors can kill the Sues, does that mean that in their writer's mind they are dead too? Can a dead Sue be resurrected by the writer making another story about them?

>>16531386
Well, that was the intent. Also, sometimes they kidnap characters and bring them to meta earth to sell to the highest bidder. Lots of lonely, desperate people out there...

The point is, the name is supposed to sound kind of scummy.

>>16531406
I have an idea.
It CAN be, but in the writer's mind, the story just grows boring. They lose interest, they find a new hobby, that sexually frustrated girl finally gets a boyfriend and has no need for another outlet, whatever. When the Editors do their job, the source of chaos is deflected.

>>16531406
They don't really stop the sue writer from writing. They can still finish their story. But by killing it in the meta-verse, they take the sole out of the story. They writer can keep writing, but that sue won't do any more damage.

>>16531397
So Imagination Land, meets Fantasia, Meets Kingdom Hearts?

The way I see it, the problems started for the Meta-verse as soon as people relied that they could post stories on the internet. Fan-fiction certainly existed before that, but never in so great a quantity.

So do shippers steal the character out right or by piecemeal? Does the character's soul vanish from the canon and people who read the source material don't feel the same emotions from the character anymore? Or do they create copies and saturate the market with identical but cheap imitations for mass consumption? Either way it ruins the character, but it makes a difference between beauty being defiled or beauty being devalued.

>>16531426
>>16531428

Aha, I see. So, what's Meta-Earth like? Is it like Earth, but aware of their position as lying between the pouring-out-minds of Reality and the every-growing-expanse of Fiction? With regular citizens on it and everything? Or does it only exist for the Editors to have a home base?

>>16531442
More Kingdom Hearts than anything. Meta-Earth, the human races collective image of itself, lies at the center of a vast, sprawling network of worlds that don't know that they are fictional.

In the grim-darkness of the abstraction of fictitious storytelling archetypes, there is only war.

>>16531466
Shippers steal the physical character and bring them to meta-earth. On real Earth, the effect your describing dose happen and persists until the character has been returned.

>>16531470
It is pretty much just like our earth, except that the world is more united after the horror that was the Crossover, people have the ability to go to other worlds (Although this is very restricted), and the Editors exist.

Most Meta-earthling don't even know that they, themselves, are fictional.

You need to add another faction to the mix. A monstrous faction that has appeared in recent times. The Copyright. Ages ago, things entered public domain well within two decades. From then on it was free for anyone to use as the creator had made their money. If it was popular enough it was welcomed and utilized by meta-earth culture far and wide and new works built upon the fertile ground it cultivated. However, beings from beyond with greed in their hearts lashed out and corrupted those lands. Public domain would no longer happen within anyone's lifetime, and the time it took to do so was increased every time it came near. They attack anything and anyone, they seek to bind all fiction to their will alone and make money on everything, even if it means nothing new will be created.

>>16531515
Ah, why not?
For them, "fiction" is reality. They exist within the boundaries of fiction and must follow its rules. I see it sort of like Superman.
On Krypton, he would have been normal.
However, on Earth, he can shoot lasers from his eyes somehow.
I feel like it is because they are from a different continuity that they can effect changes on a world. They are not only aware of their limitations, but know how to break them because they are able to observe it from the outside.
They cannot view Meta-Earth from the outside because it encompasses everything. It's like the Astral Plane of the Metaverse.
At least, that's how I view this.

>>16531515
Huh, odd. I'm sure they have a lot of debates between philosophical Editors as to whether or not their world even really exists. An example:

A: "I'm telling you, due to the fact that we are self aware and capable of intelligent and original decisions- "
B: "And I'm telling YOU, originality is impossible due to the fact that our world is in fact the result of Reality and Fiction's Interversal relation to each other!"
A: "But that makes no SENSE. If we are simply the result of Reality's subconscious reflections on itself, then why aren't we perfect beings who never do wrong?"
B: "BECAUSE, you idiot, subconsciously humanity recognizes its own faults and therefore we are given limitations. Our personalities are not our own, but are in fact copies and/or representations of people in Reality!"
C: "Oh for FICTION'S SAKE, would you two SHUT UP?! You're giving me a headache!"

>>16531554
The way I see, in this scenario, Meta-earth Krypton. No one can be special on it, because it's the collective self-image of the entire human race. Everyone "knows" that most things like super strength and reality warping are impossible, so they are impossible for the inhabitants of Meta-Earth. Things were probably much different in ages past, when humans considered magic and gods to be real.

But once one leaves, and goes out into the meta-verse, they begin to learn. That if you concentration, you can feel the pull of the story. You can learn things in other worlds that will carry over when you leave. Observe a Sue at work, and you may find a way to copy a few of her tricks. Nowhere near to her level, but still enough to put you a step above normal meta-earthlings.

>>16531573
The best part is, last night we decided that the "Real" world was in fact created by an author on a lower level of reality writing it into existence. And then we thought that some author on a lower level must have created him.

What I'm saying is, it's fiction all the way down.

Of course, that doesn't matter much in the context of the game, but it's an interesting thought.

>>16531682

>>16531539
You could have them as Cthulhu like entities, called the Owners, who claim ownership over all fictional reality, and are seeking the deeds to the Meta. Their agents? The Re-claimers. They follow their innumerable dark masters' will, tearing apart fiction to tear out Sues and Humans alike, regarding the characters with little more than contempt.

This creates a danger for those wishing to enter the Fiction, as these dark gods and their servants seek to climb through any gap they can, into the Meta or Fiction. But to follow the Owners comes with rewards, as your body is bent into a shape more pleasing these abominations, and dark power is granted to you.

>>16531682
Some might argue that what happens is not in fact CREATION so much as REVELATION. What I mean is that the world already exists, but has never before entered the range of the meta-mental subconscious of whatever world it is "thought up" in. The writer(s) become aware of this potentiallity by means of a connection that all universes, multiverses, and the metaverse share. As the story is written, and further becomes entrenched and canonical in the minds of the universe's inhabitants, the path between the "Real" and the "Fictional" becomes wider, allowing for more and more possibility and solidity to flood into the aspect of Fiction.

What do you think? An interesting viewpoint, in my opinion.

>>16531733
They are however strictly bound to the rules of the setting they are in and cannot have powers impossible while within them. However, while their dark masters still have a use from them, you can take them apart sub atomic particle by sub atomic particle and put themselves back together and keep coming after you. Like a legion of terminators.

>>16531682
So... is that lower reality...
Us?

...

I think I need to lie down.

>>16531776
No, we're the one below that one.

>>16531776
>>16531798
This will really make your heads spin: to another universe, we are either above or below them, as we consider ourselves above or below others. So one Meta-Earth's "Reality" may be a part of another, separate Meta's "Fiction"...wait, does that make sense?

>>16531828
Schrodinger's reality. We only exist when observed, otherwise we're lost in a sea of incomprehensibility. The more you know of our location in existence the less you know of our direction. The more you know of the direction the less you know of our location.

>>16531776
In descending order it goes:
Meta-universe
Real world (us)
Gods world
The world of the thing that wrote God into existence
The creators of that thing...

and so on and so forth until you get to the wellspring of all creativity.

>>16531764
The Owners will try to keep in the setting, but will bend the rules if they must. I like the idea of reassembly.

Those who serve the Owners well, will become the Prosecutors, who command the other Re-claimers and translate the unfathomable whispering of the Owners.

>>16531847
Ah, yes. A lovely paradoxical explanation that can never be completely proven nor even totally understood. I like it.

>>16531847
And debating this type of shit what causes most of the fights in the agency cafeteria.

>>16531857
But if you listen to the Owners, they might whisper in your ear how you might understand it. But, you must prove yourself first. The Fiction must be purged...

>>16531856
>>16531852
So... This is off-topic, but...
That explains the bible, in a way.
There were fixers and editors vying for control of our world back in the day, then an MS comes along who can heal the sick, feed everyone, and withstand any abuse: Jesus.
The editors were the Romans. They had to be rid of him in a way that made sense in the world, then they shut him up in a cave.
Once out of sight, they whisked him out of this world so he could never re-assert dominance.

Keep in mind I speak within this setting only, and I do not intend to insult any real religion by saying these things. I'm merely thinking out loud. It also gives us a good idea of what it would be like from a canon viewpoint if the MS became too tied to the world to simply forget about.

>>16531900
Whoops, I meant the Biblical story of Jesus, not the bible as a whole.

>>16531900
The Jews were the editors, the Romans were the owners. The owners found out they could make a lot of money with Christianity later though, so they converted the Empire to that faith after centuries of trying to get rid of them. When the Roman Empire was no longer profitable they set the Barbarians upon them to free up the resources that had become stagnant.

>>16531900
Thanks for the campaign idea. Go into the bible. Kill Jesus.

>>16531900
No, I think "The Jesus arc" was just a piece of the sprawling, million chapter magnum opus that is our reality.

>>16531920
Right, my bad. Only have a passing familiarity with religion.

So, what system would this run on? Risus?

Would certain fan-authors and real authors gain reputations for lack of a better word among the people of Meta-Earth?

Like a widely loved fan author who is good to the continuity, or a widely hated official author who's own creations border on Sue-ness?

>>16531970
The Editors sort of hold canon sacred. Even if the original author is crap and the fan author is much better, the fan is still destabilizing a canon world and, with it, threatening the existence of the whole meat-verse. He's like a fixer, except the Editors can't kick his ass.

They might regret it, but it's their duty to undo the changes he made.

>>16532026

I mean could there be a such thing as fan-creations that are non-Sue and gather a wide following?

Or could there be people that cringe every time an official writer puts out a new book, or writes a new TV episode?

Even amongst the Editors there must be some who question the worth of certain creations that they are sworn to protect.

>>16532072
Editor that start to doubt the canon usually end up leaving the agency. Most fixers are Editors who were assigned to schlock, and became disillusioned with their duty.

What happens when someone makes a fanfic in an established universe that doesn't interfere with Canon characters and stays within the rules originally set down by the original?
Like, if someone made a Pokemon fanfic where he basically just went on the journey that most kids make (Get a pokemon, go fight a couple gyms, challenge the league and lose after a good fight)? He never meets Red or Ash or anyone like that, maybe interacts with a branch of Team Rocket (all original characters, perhaps on orders from Giovanni to carry out some kind of operation or whatever), and the only canon characters he ever meets are the Gym Leaders, who he barely interacts with? What do the editors do then?

>>16531970

That was an arguement in the previous thread. Basically the Fixers would follow that.

The Editor's creed is "Whether a story is good or bad, whether a fanfiction is a better work than the source material, it does not matter. Our duty is to the almighty Canon."

>>16532072
"So, you hear about Ted?"
"No. What happened?"
"Twilight duty."
"Damn. That's what? Ten times this month alone?"
"Yup."
"I wish I could say I was sorry for the poor bastard, but at least we're not stuck dealing with that crap."

>>16532141

Low level (Class 2) threat. Exterminate if resources are available. Most likely monitor to see if he does anything to disturb the Canon and increase his threat level.

If you do that stuff with all the proper clearance though, that's kind of an Editor's vacation.

>>16532156

>Fucking 3rd Wolf Vampire this week.

>>16532141
I think in a situation like that the editors would just leave the trainer be. A big world like Pokemon is large enough to accommodate all sorts of characters. A few random OC running around having their own adventures isn't going to break the canon. It helps that they're so rare.

Hell, once their story is over the Editors might "pluck" them and offer them a job. Though I imagine that there are hard-liners who would rather they were all destroyed.

>>16532141
That's almost not worth interfering with.

But if he suddenly becomes a better trainer than Ash, and goes undefeated in competitions world-wide it might be time to step in and correct the situation.

I'd also assume that comedic fan-fics would more or less be left alone since they're not intended to be serious additions to the canon anyway.

What happens in the case of breaches between worlds as takes place in crossover fanfic? Like even if no OCs are included, is there still danger?

>>16532262

I think that in the last thread it was decided that the Editors would step in to escort everybody back to their home realities and erase any memories of interacting with characters from outside their home reality.

Is it possible for a canon character to become aware of the 'men behind the curtain' and thus stop following the script?
Or are the differences in the 'dimensional nature' between an Editor and a character too great for this to happen?

>>16532156
"Hey, you seen Alice around?"
"Didn't you hear? She's on mandatory leave."
"What? What Happens?"
"The Inheritance Cycle happened, kid. She was on her way back from a routine mission, saw Eragon, and tried to shank the condescending little fuckwit."
"Oh."
"Yeah."
"Don't blame her."

>>16532205

I liked the idea of harvesting redshirts quietly as they fall down a hole or get eaten by a monster or recruiting the NPC's of different places.

"You know Big Merv?"

"Yeah, the guy is a legend among the Agents!"

"You know where he came from?"

"He never talks about it."

"He was a simple redshirt 'killed' in an offscreen phaser blast in Star Trek. They say he even saw THE Mary Sue and lived to tell about it."

How would the Editors handle Earth 616 or whatever they're calling the DC Earth?
I mean time is broken, new characters are introduced all the time and events are often retroactively induced, and there is no one author to establish what is Canonical.
And don't get me started with the minefield interacting with Morrison's work would be.

>>16532283
Dude, that's like, the plot for Nirvana!

What happens then? is he "terminated" forcefully or does the author met an "unexpected end"?

>>16532205
Perhaps we should give names to these different opinions? Those who don't want to tolerate any fan-fic could be called the Dogmatics, those who allow OCs and legitimately good fan-fics are Tolerants, and those who think ALL fan-fiction should be embraced are the Fanatics. Dogmatics and Fanatics have a tendency to become their darker counterparts, however.

>>16532283
No, their trapped by the laws of canon. Canon has a way of repairing itself whenever the thing distorting it is removed. Even if a character spoke to an Editor and started to piece it together, their memories would fade once the editor left the world.

>>16532283

It happens from time to time...

>>16532311

The key is to not have any Editors in the field when new material gets published. The so-called "Retcon storms" rewrite the reality back to the new status quo, and clean out everything that doesn't fit, including any Meta's in there at that time.

In the last thread it was also deemed too dangerous to approach some realities. Star Wars EU is a good example.

"Gentleman. You have three days to find the Sue before a new Clone Wars episode is released. Author help you all."

>>16532353
OH.
Deadpool is not aware of the Editors. He merely perceives that he is in one of many realities.
if he knew, you'd be sure he'd say something to someone. Guy can NOT stop running his mouth.

>>16532353
I laughed.
>>16532368
I laughed harder.

The place is a raging maelstrom of Canon. The Editors need whole teams of Proofreaders just to keep track of everything, and the constant stream of characters can make sues very hard to pick out from those that are supposed to be there. It and Marvel are considered two of the hardest postings in the entire organization. You don't send Rookies in there.

>>16532311
Earth-616 is the main Marvel Universe.
The DCnU is probably one of the 52 Earths that were established at 52 (or possibly Earth-0), since the Multiverse is supposed to still exist, due to upcoming projects like Multiversity and comics taking place in the the Charlton universe.

Continuity with pre-Flashpoint events is really inconsistent, I'll agree, like the idea that Cyborg is a founding member of the Justice League, yet Arsenal references him as a former Teen Titan, which would have to mean that Cyborg eventually leaves the League to be a Titan with Starfire and Dick Grayson.

The Batman stuff is handled by squeezing his pre-Flashpoint history into a five-year pocket where he was working before the other capes. This includes The Killing Joke, and some version of The Return of Bruce Wayne which is altered to not include Final Crisis, since Earth-0 is Crisis-free.

>>16532368
What happens to Sues who stay in after a Retcon Storm?
Do they grow in power? Become more rooted in the world?
I say that it is unpredictable. The Retcon Storm could make the Sue powerless by exposing some new rule of reality that specifically renders them powerless or irrelevant. However, it could play right into their hands, if, say, a new Sailor Moon show/manga/OVA came out and said that Usagi had an unnamed lesbian lover when the Sue has claimed to be that since the beginning.

>Dat captcha
Indeed, that would be a blunder of the highest magnitude.

>>16532353
Deadpool knows that he's in a comic book only because the writer wrote him to know he's in a comic book. He is a great resource for Editors there. Most Sues aren't expecting Deadpool.

>>16532420
In that case the sues power would actually weaken because she is less special.

>>16532408
The thing about the DCnU is that it seems that Editorial is adopting sort of a 'Schrodinger's continuity' thing. Where unless an event is referenced, it's unknown whether it still happened or not.
Hell, it's even unknown when titles occur in relation to each other.
Like in Green Arrow, Oliver's a rookie, but in Red Hood and the Outlaws, Roy seems to have been at this a while.

Could the Smugglers attempt to capitalize on this by actually stealing the 'pre-Flashpoint' Superman, Wonder Woman etc.?

>>16532156
"You guys think that's bad, try getting assigned to the Pony Patrol."

Any of you folks heard of the Protectors of the Plot Continuum?

>>16532487
"What's wrong with Pony Patrol? Pony Patrol is awesome."

*Sigh* "Linda, you wouldn't understand."

>>16532420

If the character becomes canon then it's soul and character are transferred to the canon author. Then we have to protect it from the machinations of the fan-author.

>>16532507
It inspired this.

>>16532443
Or would they increase because she feels validated?
Writer's thought process IRL: It proves she is "Totally in sync with the creator's vision and obviously she's such a creative genius because she came up with it at the same time the writers did or omg omg maybe they saw her fanfic and thought it was great and they want to hire me as a writer for them they'll probably contact me any day now SQUEEEE!"
This draws more (corrupted) creative focus into the MS, making her stronger.
I feel like the MS would weaken only if the writer was trying to be original for originality's sake.

>>16532561
Here's a good point:
What happens when an author takes an EXISTING Canon character and makes them into an MS?
Like, if Snake from MGS suddenly started dual-wielding katanas and shooting lasers from his eyes in a fanfic?
How do the editors preserve Canon then? They obviously can't kill him.

>>16532462

It's actually easier to protect canon when the story is over. Flashpoint marked the end of one story and the beginning of another. Shippers would have a much easier time thriving in the new Flashpoint universe than the old one, especially with so many events uncertain in canon.

>>16532378
>>16532353

Or maybe he's a sleeper agent for the Editors, in charge of overseeing Marvel's EU on earth.

>>16532568
In that case, then the sues power would warp Sailor Moons new girlfriend into a vicious, violent bitch.

Sues only look pretty until you take a close look. Nothing human should have that shape or do those things and still be alive. Nothing human can, as a matter of fact.

And those teeth. Those impossibly regular, glimmering perfect white teeth, like blocks of marble. When they smile...

>>16532603

They enter at a point in the canon when Snake is about to be corrupted from normalcy by the Sue power. Then they prevent it from happening. This is much easier than dealing with OC's. Canon tends to self-correct.

On the other hand. Crossovers are the megabitch of Editor's nightmares.

>>16532603
"That's when we go in and give them an exorcism. Well, that's what we call it. In reality, it involves hitting him in the head with a rock."

How do 'continuation fics' work? Like after a series is finished, someone keeps all the events as they were, and just attempts to continue the story?
Are they ignored because they inherently lack stability and are no more than a possible future?
Are they still monitored for OOC behavior and dangerous OCs?
Are they destroyed outright?

>>16532639

>"Alabaster cities gleam, undimmed by human tears."

>>16532607
Ah. Like I was thinking that what if a Shipper actually pulled a Davy Jones and recruited a gang of characters who would be erased by Flashpoint, like, if Wally West left, would anyone notice?

>>16532672
I like the second option.Unless a Sue is spawned within, then you have to take the timeline out.

>>16532675
Her pearly orbs flickered with inner light. Grinning in mindless adoration, the uniformed men trudged forwards, their weapons clattering to the floor as they approached their new mistress.

"What's her name?" Mike said, as he pushed his pistol into the back of the Mary Sue's skull.
Blaine looked up from his mobile lab, where he had been running her bloodwork. "It says here that she isn't a Sue!" He said with surprise. "Goes by the name of Bella Swan."
Mike yelled, "That's impossible!" as he slowly began to pull the trigger.
"No, Mike, we have to let this one go. She's canon."
"But she has all makings of a Sue, how can she not be one?"
"Author insert, Mike, we're bound to come across at least a few more by the time this is through."
"Surely nobody would miss this half-Sue freak."
"You'd be surprised, rookie."

>>16532603
You're thinking of Raiden, who the Patriots tried to make into Snake, but ended up transforming into a Mary Sue of Grey Fox.
>>16532462
At least half of the 52 can be expected to contain a Superman. The other semi-realities (Elseworlds) have still more options.

I'd say that continuity in the DCnU is like a ball of molten glass shaped like a tesseract.

>>16532695
Maybe the Editors could offer them asylum on Meta-Earth until they are written back into Canon. Perhaps offer them a job if it looks like that's not going to happen.

>>16532748
>>16532156

"And that's why Twilight duty blows, right Ted?"

I wish I was more creative, so I contribute meaningfully...

>>16532781
"Fuck you guys."

>>16532793
Most of the setting was inspired by things people said that inspired other people. Go on, talk.

"Lo, and THE FLOW told Man to guard its home, and Man heeded the call."
Great to see this thread. Going to first get the IRC link up, THEN read it.
Great idea, huh?
http://cbe001.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23theeditors&server=irc.mibbit.net

>>16532764

If they haven't been written into the story yet, then they don't exist. You don't want to steal any sort of real major character from a story though.

Then you wind up with the Indiana Jones Holy Grail scenario with canon attempting to self correct for the loss and beginning to tear itself asunder.

"Come on. We'll take Batman back with us. He'll be able to come up with a better plan than we ever could."

"We can't damn you. This is the original. Do you have any idea what this will do the DC Universe?"

"But he can save the canon of so much more."

"Don't cross the rift Elsa!"

>>16532796
" See, that's the kind of attitude that landed you Twilight duty."

>>16529287
But what happens when the Firemen find World 451(F)?

>>16532865

Only if there is a rift leading there. Worst case scenario, they revere it as a holy guide how to cleanse fiction.

The old. "I like you. I'll kill you last." School of thought.

>>16532837
Would the fixers snatch a canon character if they thought it would net them money?

"Sir, are you the pirate known as Jack Sparrow?

"That I am, good sir! And you are?"

*cocks .44 revolver and levels at Jack* "Your new owner."

>>16532865
No, no, no, they chose the name because of Fahrenheit 451. They wanted everyone to know what they were about.

>>16532896
That's shippers.

>>16532923
My question stands.

So a Fixer, a Shipper, and a Fireman walk into a bar...

The Fixer tries to change all the lightbulbs to florescents, the Shipper steals the bar stools, and the Fireman starts chucking Molotov cocktails at the patrons.

One's an Editor, who takes a cocktail to the face and starts to run around screaming, and half of the rest are Sues. They get involved and the bar winds up burning down with most of the patrons still inside. The only things to get out were the Shipper, the Fireman, and two slightly singed bar stools. Didn't help the prices much.

What, you thought it was a joke or something?

>>16532896

Fixers would kill Jack if they thought it made the story better. Smugglers would do it for a profit, but they would probably pick a lower value target like "Jack Sparrow, video game version." Apocryphal so they have a good shot at getting away with it. Taking crazy Jack himself would be the heist of the century.

>>16532839
... A rift in forks that spews super special Vampires, Werewolves, and hybrids? BUT I LIVE IN SEATTLE, I'M TOO CLOSE!

>>16532923
OK, we seriously need a better name for these guys.

Every time I see the term "Shippers" I think about the retards who are obsessed with hooking characters up romantically.

>>16532951

This only happens if there is a Crossover event. And considering how well guarded the big gateway Meta rifts are supposed to be once the Editors are formed, I would think they wouldn't get far.

Anybody else think that rifts should be divided into portals and tears ala ReBoot?

Okay everyone, I just got a hold of some hammered out plot that I'm gonna dump on ya. Tell us what you think.

Meta
-Physical stuff of creativity for Multiverse Denizens
-Builds new worlds
-Manipulated subconciously by those who create
-Creative Dark Energy from Real Earth that causes expansion of multiverse

>>16532982
That's the joke. A nice professional term to show what kind of dirty business they get involved in, too.

"Okay. Listen. Stop right there. Do you even -know- how hard it is to get what you want these days?"
"My money is good-"
"Sure. SURE! That's the only variable. Come along! We'll grab your waifu and the Geth won't even notice us coming in! That's a great plan!"

>>16533001Earth
-Black hole of Meta
--Explains loneliness, empty volume, sheer scale of universe
-Earth we know and love
-Pours ideas into MetaEarth
-Possible MetaCreation of 'God' or equivalent of
--That was created by higher 'God' above it
---It's Meta all the way down

MetaEarth
-White Hole of Meta
--Linked to 'Real' Earth
--Explains multitude of planes, canons, universes that can be explored
-Generic Earth (vision of 7 billion): Interesting things must be sought in other Canons
-Ideas from Earth are unconciously manipulated and built upon by MetaEarthlings
-MetaEarth is center of multiverse, as it causes the expansion of the creative Multiverse

>>16532982

How about Distributors?

That would go with the writing and book theme. They take bits of others stories and ideas and sell them for a cut.

>>16533001
>>16533028
Plot-maker here. I gave that anon the OKAY to post what I worked on today. It might not be 100% solid, but you can just blame me.
>>16533029
Hm... Make sense. The notes shall be rectified.
>shi/tg/ets_done.jpg

>>16533028
Multiverse
-Collective Creativity of Humanity (lone sentient race in the 'real' universe)
-Observable nature varies on personal interpretation of data
-Great 'Forest'
--Best-fit structure based on numbers and experience by MetaEarth
--Canons == Trunks with unique MetaFrequencies
---Disrupted by Crossovers, Sue infiltration
--Fanons/Expanded Universes == Branches
--Canons can be sick, burnt down, chopped down, etc.
--Canons can also be planted, transplanted
--Branches can hit other branches on same or different tree (crossovers)
"The forest was still, and it felt as if it was a world-between-worlds. MAN resided in the tree of Earth, but could not see, for their world was still shielded.Lo, and War came, and broke the shield, and MAN fought valiantly and lived. MAN then looked forth from Earth and saw the forest, and learned of the wood and the hills and the valleys and the paths, and MAN learned the paths of the forest, and could wander and tend the forest, and MAN rejoiced."

>>16533011
Ok, so how do we differentiate between the two?

Because surely obsessive romantic shipping is just a big a threat to the canon.

Concerning Twilight Duty: Agents and Editors who survive longer thana month or two do so by relaxing the rules almost entirely. Editors have a chat over tea with Fixers, Agents go bar crawling and gambling with Shippers, etc. before the Editor goes off and fixes a plot-shit, or the agents cheat the Shipper out of his ill-gotten gain, and bid them adieu with a boot to the rear and a ticket.
When the Firemen come, the Editor usually abuses his authority to borrow one of the flamethrowers and go crazy, while the Agents deal with the grunt work of a fire brigade.

Canon may be sacred, but that doesn't mean we have to like, just preserve it.

>>16533041
History
-MetaEarth at junction of violent cross-over and Sue invasion
-Horrific war, entire nations destroyed by targetless Sues and invaders, resolved only with discovery of Meta and its applications
--Sues from SW Ep: 7, 8, 9 and various other 'un-stories'
--Indeterminate length due to reality warping
--Talked of in hushed tones due to apocalyptic, scarring scale
-After cross-over repaired, created the Editors to explore, guard, and repair the multiverse and its canons

>>16533049
Factions
-Editors
--Player Characters (Good)
--Preserve Canons, remove Sues, undo Crossovers
---Agents
---Field Agents
---Overseers
---Proofreaders
---Sleeper Agents
---Roleplayers (Off-Duty)
---Rationalists (Off-Duty)
---Expantionists (Off-Duty)
-Fixers
--Antagonists
--Seek to improve stories by any means necessary, even if it tramples on canon
-Rogue Editors
--Player Characters (Evil)
--Use any means necessary (Sues, crossovers, etc.) to Edit
-Sues
--Antagonists / BBEG
--Destructive attention-seeking demigods
--Created by unskilled authors on 'Real' Earth
--Must be removed carefully by Editors

>>16533070
-Firemen
--Antagonists
--Created after Great Crossover War to prevent it from happening again ever
--Seek to destroy canons due to their fictional, 'false' nature and the inherent threat of invasion
--Anti-Fixers
--Pit Fixers, Sues, Editors against each-other in attempt to shatter canon
---Sometimes label themselves as Purgers who devote themselves to one particular larger canon and its fanons
-Purists
--Antagonists
--Fixers who believe that a canon should be 'frozen' to preserve its quality
--Will try to stem the growth of the canon and send the entire canon-tree into stasis forcibly
--Often resort to using Sues or tricking Rogue Editors in order to achive this end
-Shippers
--Player Characters (Neutral)
--Inter-Canon merchants and smugglers
--Can get anything/anyone from anywhere, for a price
-Freewriters
--Neutral (Good/Evil)
--Believe Sues should be allowed to exist
--Believe in totality of the freedom of expression
--Will do nothing to stop sues, but will fight against those who want to destroy Canons

>>16533047
"Hey, Mark, I got a question."
"Yeah, Phil?"
"You know, I'm a shipper. You know this. Your bank account knows this."
"Yeah, get on with it."
"Would you mind if you went down to MLP-23 and helped me grab a Derpy? Somebody ordered it as a wedding present. It'll be quick."
"... Fine. I'll take a week-end off. Beats the hell out of Club Penguin."
"Thanks, pal."

>>16533087
-Fixer Sues
--Antagonists / BBEG
--Fixers that used their rewriting powers to assume godhood
--The power of a Sue, the mind and experience of a Fixer
--One of the deadliest enemies one can possibly imagine

Editor Characters
-Recruited from MetaEarth
-Also recruited from Canons
--Secondary/Civilian Characters
--Often those who would be killed by plot events
--Can often find multiples of them thanks to fanons/EU princple

PseudoHeisenberg's Literary Uncertainty Principle
-Cannot know location and velocity of an off-focus character at same time
-Allows for respawns for background characters
-Allows for multi-recruitment respawns for 'plucked' recruits as well
-Makes asking what is real or not in MetaEarth's multiverse an invalid question

>>16533096
Jumps
-Editors and other factions use either Gates, Porters, or Barges
-Gates
--Tied to Editor bases in Canons that require special attention
--Safest form of travel as long as gate operators know what they're doing
-Porters
--Teleporters / Jumpers
--Risk of mis-landing greater due to infinitely variable landing destinations
--Coordinate system complicated, requires training to use
--Computers usually figure it out
-Barges
--Ships
--Big, heavy, slow, can get lost, can crash

And that's it. What dose everyone think? Suggestions?

>>16533049
To add to this, When a canon becomes to damaged it implodes in on itself and vanishes from the memory of real world humans. I think it can also greatly addle the creators mind.

>>16533122
Like what happened to Space Warfare or whatever it was called. That was a nasty shock. And there was that one with the wizards.

>>16533103
Also, the Owners' servants are highly dangerous and unpredictable because they can Jump without any sort of device or assistance.

>>16533122

So that's what happened to Lucas over the years.

>>16533122
Let's also make it such that there are areas where the War still rages, or the aftereffects continue to warp and disrupt reality and metareality.
Encountering one of those is the worst possible event, since you bring the madness with you.

>>16533144
Well, I'm adding this to the official Notes. Consider our Biggest-Baddest Enemy Guy set.

So would the ST/GM/whatever the term is make up his own Sues for the Editors to fight, or would he actually delve into fanfiction and find examples?
Because I can think of some endgame bosses if the latter is the case.
Has anyone else read The Open Door?

What if your assigned to Axe Cop duty?

The only thing I would say about background characters having canon respawn them to self correct is that any self-correction by canon brings the recruit back as you found them like a backup copy.

<See Exhibit A

>>16533159
No, the war for Meta-earth is over. It was like the suepokalips, except that we won. But there are still areas with strange Canon on meta earth because of the crossover. These are closely guarded and studied by both Editors and civilian governments, because sometimes, things come through.

>>16533164
The DM can either find real MS's and stat them up, or wrack their brain and make them up. We're thinking Risus would be easy to use, so making them would be extremely easy.
http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/risus.htm
>>16533171
Smile and nod.
Smile and nod and know that your job does itself. Nothing a fan-fic writer could hope to out-do or conquer the locals.

>>16533171
> Axe Cop
They don't patrol Axe Cop.
It's worse than the 40K or Touhou 'verses, except it's not from it's nature, but because the Author is channeling so much Creativity and Energy into it, it's deadly.
Axe Cop is the Positive Energy Plane of the metaverse.

>>16533164
I like the idea of going to find terrible fanfics of things that you know your players love.

What would 8-bit Theater be regarded as?
Like would Editors attempt to destroy it for being essentially Final Fantasy I gone off the rails?

>>16533192
>have ponyfan friends
>they don't know shit about MLP fanfiction or how awful it is
Pissing my players off has never been this cathartic.
>>16533207
FF1 was so open ended in terms of the story (general hero stuff) that there isn't really much to do. 8B-Theater is treated generally as a benign Fanon-branch and left alone EXCEPT when bad fanfiction of 8-Bit Theater itself is created.

>>16533192
It's certainly an easy way to get them into it.
Hey, you can have a Deathwatch player be allowed to play as a Reformed Fireman and PURGE THE SUE!

I like the Idea of the editors keeping some Sues around as case studies. Like, take the entire cast of my immortal, stick them in a fake Hogwarts, and use them to train rookies on how to spot a sue and blend into the background.

alright, here's some of the bits from a similar project of mine that might be of use.

Fractures - as fiction are born of creativity, these destructive entities are born from insanity and delusion. They are also created spontaneously during such traumatic events on Earth that the horror of it is seared into the human psyche. Ethnic purges, the dropping of the atomic bomb, plague and war, among other things birth such creatures. They are amongst the most dangerous of things because fiction cannot naturally 'heal' itself of the damage they cause.

feedback - similar to paradox from WoD's mage, feedback is a fiction's 'immune system' reacting when someone attempts to alter canon, which is contested by the collective will of those who know what is and isn't canon. Low-level feedback can result simply by dressing or acting out of place. Sues are mostly able to avoid it.

Themes - each fiction has a rough theme, such generalizations being Fantasy, Sci-fi, horror, High Adventure, etc. Things are much easier to do when undertaken in line with the fiction's theme.

>>16533207
You bring up a difficult topic.
Remember, all ideas are stolen, there is nothing original except for the level of Creativity and Energy in an idea. 8-Bit theater was made by the author as an Original Work, so it is Canon, if weak and shallow.
A thing must be made as an Original Work to be considered canon. The Editors fight against insertion and disruptive fanfiction, which leech off of the original work like Parasites.
However, some fan-fiction is AU, and may or may not be harmless: AU fanfiction can be countered simply by going to the one point in time of diversion and snipping it off right there.
Other fanfiction authors may be putting in enough of their own Creativity and Energy there is not loss or real damage, so it is merely watched and trimmed.

How about H.P. Lovecraft?
His shit is in the public domain.
Which means that anyone can use the things he created.
Does something become Canon if it is legally profitable?
Like that one dude who made shit like 'Cthulhu's not evil twin brother' Kthanid. Is his stuff Canon?

>>16533207
I think it might have enough canon power to stand on it's own because is parody. Like Space Balls.

>>16533253
If it's published, it's canon. Admittedly, stuff like Kthanid would end up being in a branch-world or sub-canon that wouldn't interfere with the majority of the Canon. However, it's still canon, and so it must be guarded, lest the forces of the Fixers or Rogue Editors take it over for themselves.

>>16533253
>public domain.
That shit is what we call a Finished Work. It's a universe that is already stable, if only because it's dead or completed, which makes it easier to protect. Also, when a finished work becomes Open Domain all protection is withdrawn, and the only ones who watch it are it's Proofreaders, who'se job is to simply watch and, if necessary, correct things, since a Proofreader of a Completed Work has as much meta-power as an Editor, as long as that power is used to revert things.

>>16533253
I like the Idea that public domain characters, like Dracula or Cthulhu, exist outside of normal canon and are called into a canon bu an author.

>>16533246
Ah yes, I was wondering about AUs or 'for want of a nail' type stories.
Like is it possible to diverge so greatly that a Canon character is essentially replaced by an OC with the same name and a similar appearance?

>>16533253

It is canon to his own universe. Kind of like the fake 2nd Don Quixote book or Pride, Prejudice and Zombies.

And so must be protected. Canon is published material though.

Where does this put things like doujin or parodies (Spaceballs etc.)though? Do they get protected or are they considered fanfiction?

>>16533286
That's an interesting concept, and I'd think that the various superheroes would at least be close relatives, because they are not bound to any one author.

I was going to make a Quest-thread vaguely similar to this on Sunday, but didn't because I thought it was a bad idea and no one would like it.

I need to learn I cannot tell my good ideas from my bad ideas.

>>16533298
>doujin
Those belong in the mangaverse. The Editors don't go there, but for rare solid exceptions.
> parodies
A natural part of the Canon, they shadow their existence, but never touch. They are reflections in funhouse mirrors, and all the Editors do is make sure noone tries to change that.

>>16533298
Parodies I could see getting protection, but porn is a different story.

>>16533184
And what of stuff like Shinji and Warhammer 40k?
Or anything where there is big time deviations from charater (well done or not) without the use of sues?

>>16533330
> porn
Those are flash-in-the-pan virtual universes created by Alternate-Authors. They last so short, no one cares about them and the canon repairs itself almost instantly. However, there are a group for Shippers who specialize in rapid collection and delivery, and make a small fortune off of the things and people found in these virtual universes, provided they can get in and out before it collapses.

>>16533367
See
>>16533246

>>16533298
Parodies are universes unto themselves, although they may share characters or plot elements with other established universes.

Spaceballs is primarily a Star Wars spoof, but it also has pretty much every major sci-fi from the era in there(Aliens, Planet of the Apes, Star Trek, etc) in some form of shout-out even if it is played for laughs.

>>16533367
I would say that story's evil parallel, Thousand Shinji, would be a more terrifying example. Especially given the sequel.

>>16533367
That would be a crossover, but a sort of stable one. Let it run it's course, then shuffle everyone back to their home world.

>>16533407
The Quest I was going to make was more or less a bunch of Editors trying to repair all the horribleness and chaos caused by the Open Door.

...is that a bad idea or a good idea? I can't tell.

>>16533321
You can still go for it. Just a few different terms and everybody here'll know what's going on. I'd be game for it.

>>16533444
Your trips make a compelling argument.

OK, I'll give it a shot. It might take a bit to go up though. I'll link it here when it's up.

Guys Guys... What about....

An Editor-Sue.

>>16533506
Fixer Sues. Rogue Editors who have decided to improve a canon by becoming it's self-aware centerpiece. Some of the deadliest foes an Editor can face.

>>16533506
That's what happens when an Editor goes really bad.

That's what happens when they become the Devil!

>>16533517

Cool.

So, how do the editors fight Sues anyways? Use tech from all the Fictions?

How the fuck would you fight a Sue from a Haruhi universe for example? You literally have GOD on their side.

>>16533506
That happens. It's actually not as bad as a Fixer-Sue in terms of danger, but they are much harder to catch or control.
Generally editors are retired once they start showing weakness or sympathies unbefitting of their position.

>>16533538
>use tech from other fictions
That is a bad idea, and you should feel Rogue because of it. Only if a Sue begins really constituting itself as a more coherent character would you even consider bringing in Sue Tech to fight it. Usually, you use trickery, guile, stealth, and other diplomatic methods to get it ready to grab and take back to HQ for processing. Learning the exact nature of the foe goes miles towards figuring out just how to stop it.

>>16533538
Check this. Imagine type green means mary sue.
Any attempt to eliminate a Type Green must take into consideration the three factors for Dynamic Entry in close quarter battle.

Speed: Type Greens are able to quickly react to any threat. In order to ensure a successful kill, the operation must take no longer than one second from initiation of hostilities to termination of subject.

Surprise: Type Greens are able to quickly adapt to known threats. It is recommended that a bluff play be carried out: an overt threat is to be presented to the subject for them to fixate upon, while the actual kill is carried out from an unexpected direction.

Violence of Action: Any means of eliminated a Type Green must ensure a successful kill in one shot. Sniper weapons must utilize .50 caliber rounds, preferably hollow-point for maximum expansion, or armor-piercing, as needed. Firearms are, of course, a secondary kill choice: explosives are recommended, but may not be usable due to collatoral damage risks.

>>16533569

But there are going to b some sues who main point is utter indefeatability. They are abusing the rules of their own universes such that they are near-impossible to defeat.

There's gotta be an Editor Black-Ops / Rogue Inquisitor group for that kind of situation. That or they just call in the Doctor.

Also, if this is an actual game, I want in.

>>16533538
>You literally have GOD on their side.
Because sometimes mundane tactics and dirty fighting is enough. Once you kill them, you can get them with something bigger to make it permanent.
The harder to deal with ones ... last thread there was a mention of opening portals to places like Touhou or 40K, were they end up getting assimilated or killed or purged or simply disintegrated.

>>16533443
Not sure.
Have you read the Doorstop? It's essentially a counterpoint to the Open Door in which the TSAB decides to fight back and rallies a resistance.
I liked it, but I couldn't tell you if it's really any better when you get down to it.

>>16533596

Hah, I remember that. That's from SCP.

>>16533538
How about a magic system rooted in the elements of proper language and writing skills? With writing supplies themed weaponry?

>>16533611
Also, used in the supakalyps thread. Had to kill them before they could start subverting your will.

>>16533603
Could one method be warping them to the Pre-Crisis DC multiverse... right before the Anti-Monitor destroys it?

>>16533624
>right before the Anti-Monitor destroys it?
Nope. That takes time and calibrations to land in a really unstable canon. Code Green takes time to set up, and they don't have the resources to keep pumping out one-shot portal generators, or they would use them for everything.
Also such portals are dangerous to the Canon they are in, and can destabilize things even worse.
That's why they generally Jump from world to world teleporter style, as it allows for controlled conditions and low impact.

>>16533658
Er, to calrify one thing: they pick uinverses like Touhou/Axe Cop/40K because no calibrations are needed, they just need to set up the generator and throw or trick the Sue into it. The nature of those verse's is such that at any point in time, things are so insane they won't last long enough to do any damage, thus not needing to specify an end point in particular, just the 'verse itself.

>>16533696
Sues project a field that causes all characters to be simpering retards in their presences. A sue can't be foisted to another world. It has to be dealt with.

>>16533720
Foisting it to another world can facilitate in its destruction, to be sure. Take away the home-field advantage and you're just fighting another over-powered monster instead of one that knows how to use the very laws of physics you're using against you.

>>16533733
They don't warp reality consciously. They don't even notice. All they know is that they are "Super Special Awesome."

>>16533538
The Haruhi-verse is an anomaly, as the main character is by design a Mary Sue herself, re-writing reality to make her the center of attention, and tends to erase Fan-Sues without conscious effort when they attempt to steal the spotlight.

>>16533720
> A sue can't be foisted to another world. It has to be dealt with.
And generally they are. But realize there are worlds out there that are built to be able to handle Sues of all breeds and types, and when a Sue not used to the harshness of the local reality drops in, they are like meat for the dogs.
Also, you're telling me that a power like a Mary Sue wouldn't have all the Deamons everywhere go crazy on them, and that Cirno wouldn't immediatelydestroy them to show how 'she's the strongest'?

>>16533742
Even so, you still want to take away the familiar. Nothing more rewarding than seeing a Sue attempt to ask you for questions, let alone seeing one ask questions at all rather than absorb the knowledge of it's 'home' Canon.

>>16533606
I skimmed a chapter or two. It was interesting, but I recall people bitching about how it was a curbstomp the other way.

Eh, I might just use a couple of things from it and shift the focus elsewhere later. It depends on what seems to work and what doesn't, I guess.

I'll be honest though, I'm a veteran DM, but this'll be my first quest thread. Any tips would be appreciated.

>>16533754
The problem is that the sue would win.

>>16533819
see
>>16533733

>>16533819
One universe's planet-eater is just another canon's 'overly-large space monster', and is to be dealt with accordingly.
For example, this monster from Kingdom Hearts...
http://fuckyeahterribleocs.tumblr.com/post/6197694094/i-know-this-is-the-3rd-time-i-posted-this-but
...would be nothing more than a really, really big Daemon to the Imperium/Eldar/whatever finds it first, and BAM toasted due to the fact that all of its powers don't work outside of the context of KH.

But a Sues power is to be better that everyone around it. To be the very bestes sparclepoo she could be. She'd reform the Imperium into Equestria, do you want that.

>>16533899
>But a Sues power is to be better that everyone around it.
A, but a Sue is made for that universe, usually. They can't adapt when the world itself is now different.
Also, since their basic powersouce is reality warping, in a world with reality warpers they would be a drop in the pond.

>>16533899
You act as if the 'dumping canons' are that weak. Look at /tg/'s love of Warhammer: Would they allow such an intrusion to go unchallenged by anybody? No, no they would not. The Meta the 40K would collect would physically work against the Sue in all its endeavors.

You know what i love most about this setting? It says that all original fiction, no matter how stupid, asinine, ignorant of spelling and gammer, overly contrived and cliche ridden, is WORTH. PROTECTING.

What about universes without humans or with minimal human focus, like Bionicle, MLP, Sponge Bob, or most Transformers stories? Is there disguising or shapshifting involved?

>Bionical
Fuckin nostalgia.. Those toys were rad.

>>16534305
Amen.
>>16534341
Stealth, limited cloaking, and possible disguising are in order.

>>16534341
>Is there disguising or shapshifting involved?
We haven't touched on that yet. I would assume so, since the Editors are Editors since they also have some reality warping powers.
although
>>16534368
Is for other teams who are more experienced in stealth than mingling.

>>16534341
Holographic projectors? Temporary cosmetic surgery? Perception-altering devices?

So would particularly popular Fictions have a detailed Guard within it?

I mean, does Bella Swan have the in-game equivalent of the Secret Service, whose sworn duty is to protect her from Mary-Sue Edward/Jacob Fangirls?

>>16534393
>Dedicated Canon Guard
Sometimes, but generally it just agents going on Tours of Duty in different 'verses, so they don't go native.
Also, the DCG would only be present in quality Original Works. Places like Twilight have a high turnover rate for Agents and Editors, considering it's just that terribad.
The DCG would be select units who have the mentality to be able to stay in one 'verse for a long time without disrupting or going native. They are the forces who keep guard, the Elite you call on when things get hairy.

>>16534305

It's more than that. It's that the written word, the filmed scene, the illustrated comic, etc simply IS what it is and is deserving of respect because of that.

It could be the worst piece of shit to ever exist, but somebody, often a large dedicated group of people put their time, energy and effort into creating that piece of shit, and they still deserve respect because they created something new.

>>16534527
I think it's a bit more complicated than being 'new' with the whole 8-bit Theater discussion earlier.
Like does Clevinger deserve no respect for that?

>>16534588
No, he does, and his work does, because he made it.
Admittedly, he made it as a parody, but we already had that discussion.

It's mostly people messing with the Canon the Editors have to worry about.

>>16533875
>>16533924
You guys have the right idea.

In the case of "Invincible Sues", the Editors would probably ambush the MS when they're alone (possibly brooding or monologue-ing) and hit them with something not of that world.
Example:
Sheena is an Elf MS in LotR. She is on top of a tower in Helm's Deep shortly before the big battle at the end of the second movie, possibly deciding which awesome magic spell she'll use to wipe the orcs out, when she is shot from behind and promptly dies.
Now, if she was shot with a bow, it wouldn't work, because of the Prophecy of That One Guy who said the only thing in this world that can slay her is the sword of her dark self. However, guns aren't from this world. Because they violate the continuity, they work against her.
Perhaps some Editors can summon certain bits of equipment for a short time, as long as it disappears before it is observed by any Canon entities?

>>16534393
I am sure some fiction does but you example is poor as she could be replaced by a mary sue and no one could tell the difference.

>>16534638
Already discussed.
>tl;dr All Canon may be sacred, but that doesn't mean we have to like, just preserve it.

>>16534624
Hmm could it be possible that the Editors have a secret hidden MegaSue under their control hidden in some obscure fiction somewhere as a final weapon?
Maybe they are almost as bad as the people they are trying to stop.

Thought. Is there any protection for The Editors from mary sues personality warping powers.

Dose it not affect persons frome meta?
Do they use tech. or possibly magic?
Or is there no defense?

>>16534588

I think it's a combination of "new" and "original".

It's the celebration of the creativity that it took to take an empty nothingness of non-reality and turn it into a fully fleshed out and inhabited universe.

>>16534698
No defense. However, it has been established that Sues cannot affect what they don't perceive. Thus, shooting one when they're not looking tends to be a fairly effective kill.

At least, that's how I understand it.

>>16534698
By being from outside of the universe, they are mostly nullifying the warping effect of the Sue, though they can still be converted. They use whatever is on hand and native to the universe to combat the Sue and protect themselves, using only permitted and regulated outside gear when they need to.

The actual Editors have reality controlling powers of their own, so they can combat the Sue directly, if need be. In fact, it's an everpresent but unlikely danger for an Editor to go Rogue, but that's already been discussed.

Also, Agents learn Meta-skills that they bring with them from their travels in other 'verses, which makes them more capable against the Sue's machinations and powers. This only applies to veterans though, and it's never as 'good' as the original.

>>16534722
>Sues cannot affect what they don't perceive. Thus, shooting one when they're not looking tends to be a fairly effective kill.
This is in more relation to not letting the Sue get the chance to unleash her thousand swords of infinite darkness made of pure hope and the light of babies on the Agents.

>>16534774
>thousand swords of infinite darkness made of pure hope and the light of babies

>infinite darkness made of pure hope and the light of babies

What the hell am I reading?

>>16534753
So that means there are two kinds of MS, created Sues that are the result of crappy fanfiction, and Rouge Editors.

>>16534722
No defense, okay.

Now can it be resistive, broken or eventually removed? If a sue is not perceiving a character dose it break?

Do two sues cancel each other out? If so can sues be used agent each other? Can sues be be convinced that they are wrong and then recruited? If so do they retain there powers in part or in full? Can an ex-Sue resist a Sue?

>>16534753
>By being from outside of the universe, they are mostly nullifying the warping effect of the Sue
Perhaps the passive reality warping that makes the natives turn into non-people, yes, but if a Sue focuses too hard on an unprotected Agent, their head will pop like anyone else's, while geysers of confetti spew out from their licorice arteries.

>>16534690
Well, I figure that the Editors could warp the reality as well as the Sues can, but they HAVE to do it in secret. If any Canon character sees it, it changes the continuity.
Using the previous example:
I have already established why a gun was required. If they had shot her in the courtyard, everyone would probably hear the gunshot, or at least come out and see the blood/body. They'd run out and see that something split this MS's head open like a ripe melon. They'd look for the reason. What if they find a casing or a bullet buried in the ground? What if they followed the footprints and found the Editors? All of this changes what they SHOULD be doing, which is preparing for an Orc siege, and thus breaks Canon. What's worse is that it focuses the attention of the Canon cast on the Editors, which is a big no-no.
If a Sue is not invincible, they should be taken out in a way that makes sense to the universe to avoid questioning, because it draws less attention
The removal of Invincible Sues should be done out of sight of EVERYONE, due to the extraordinary universe-breaking means usually required and the attention it can draw.
Sorry if that sounds disorganized, I need sleep.

>>16534806
"What you are witnessing is what we're here to fight son. I hope you've got a good head on your shoulders, because you'll be seeing worse then that in no time."

>>16534826
But at that point the Mary-Sue has already broken continuity and raped the Canon. Shooting her with a gun is far less disruptive than pulling in a Positron Cannon.
Remember, the natives of that Fiction are bound by the laws of that universe, unless the Author has written their character to be akin to Deadpool or Vecna.
Therfore, by being as limited by their universe as we are by the physical laws, once the disruption is gone and the canon repairs itself, it will be as if nothing had ever happened.
The Metaverse is made of mutable stuff, and it's the Authors that give it shape and form, while the Editors work to preserve it.

>>16534826
>Well, I figure that the Editors could warp the reality as well as the Sues can, but they HAVE to do it in secret.

Oh sweet Gutenberg. Are we going to have MAGE like paradox checks?

>>16534891
>MAGE like paradox checks?
Nope. Unless the universe is built to react like that, of course.
I mean, reality warping in the World of Darkness universe would cause you to get hit by Paradox, yeah, but in general you'd be fine, as the Canon will just slip back to normal once you're out of there.

Well. Here goes.

>>16534941

Let's see how well my take on this does.

After reading the archived thread and this thread I have a question. Couldn't another route be for editors to posses a canon background character and only have it act slightly off in order to kill off a sue?

>>16534982
Not really. Theoretically, yes, they could, bu then they'd be no better than the Fixers or even the Author-Damned Sues themselves.

>>16535003
Well there is another rogue faction for a bad guy. Also say that this is in a universe where a gun is not going to work, say in a universe where someone is able to survive a shot to the head you run into another problem. Might I suggest a science wing to the editors?

>>16535098
>science wing
True, we hadn't considered that yet.
Yes, a science wing to produce weapons and armor and tools that could be used in almost any universe while having little impact...
I think the first thing they would attempt to replicate would be the Lasgun, for those very same reasons.

>>16535128
Portal Gun. Fast efficient easy. Put one portal in the center of a nuclear test site at ground zero or say on top of some magma and then open that sucker up right up underneath that sue. Kill is quick clean easy and stealthy. With proper prep time this would be probably the best weapon to take down most types of sues.

>>16535174
That's Reality Warping Super-Tech. Only an editor would be allowed to use it.

>>16535128
Whatever happened to going in with nothing to have little effect?

What's the point of saving a universe from a Sue only to have it tear itself apart trying to dislodge foreign objects?

>>16535249
> trying to dislodge foreign objects?
That's why a shell-less, caseless weapon is god for.
Besides, the job of an Editor is to assist the Canon to repair over such hiccups.

>>16535272
But the weapon itself shouldn't be there. Didn't we establish that canon tries to destroy anything foreign with the villains trying, but failing, to take down the Sues? That's why bringing in Suetech or Outsidetech is only used as a last resort.

>>16535300
Correct. It shouldn't be there, it should be a fallback. And it is.

Remember guys. Sues are like demigod children. They don't have the faculties to really outsmart you unless you give them a chance. Remember Sue authors are mostly reactionary and Sues are only as smart as their authors. That makes them essentially idiot savants at worst and scary little motherfuckers otherwise.

Basically think of the kid from the Twilight Episode "The Good Life." That's what happens when a Sue is found out by the locals in canon. This is also why the Editors must maintain the utmost secrecy in disposing of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_Good_Life_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29

>>16535956

"Fred, we got caught man. The rookie screwed us man. Fucking walked up to locals and asked them to help. Told them to stop him before it was too late, fucking Anthony class Sue man."

"You are bad people, and you keep thinking bad thoughts about me."

"Game over man! GAME OVER!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C34g5mz1ZQ&feature=related

The birth of a Fixer.

>>16536497
Yeah, truth be told, a lot of Fixers are probably like that. I myself have felt that way. But eventually they can turn into Mary Sue-like entities, harnessing power and twisting the world into their own private view on what paradise should be.

Fighting a Fixer

Agents in the Field.

Damn, I'd love to read some writefaggotry on this.

I'd attempt some myself, But I don't think it'd be... Well, I'd use a semi-/d/ setting because I wouldn't be able to help myself. Don't ask.

>>16536709
If it makes you feel any better, the only thing I cane think to write of is an Expansionist being confronted by some Editors in /co/'s favorite girl's cartoon.

>>16536743
>>16536709
>Editorial Agent: Pardon me ma'am, but what are you doing?
>Expansionist Fan: "Research! I've always wondered just what the daily lives of the tentacle beasts were like!"

Something like that?

>>16536743
It does.
And since you said, that, I'll elaborate on 'why I couldn't help myself.'

The reason is because I'm well aquainted with the setting in question and there are literal thousands of pieces of fanfiction of this place that are utter shite, both from a technical storywriting standpoint and a canon standpoint. Just being able to correct them... It would be satisfying.

Damn, I sound like an Editor (fixer?) already.

>>16536830
You're a proper Editor, alright.
If you were a Fixer you'd be more concerned about them writing the story badly.
If you were frothing at the mouth at the inconsistencies of fanfiction with established canon, you'd be a Proofreader.

I think the reason it's hard is we have to go read some bad fanfiction to come up with some truly great scenarios.

I'm going to skim through this one and try to writefag a mission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvib_SfZFko

>>16536855
And I guess I'm the guy who just wonders how it all works off screen?

Where's the harm in that, man? I'm not interacting with the Canon! I'm so far away from the Canon I don't even think the people here have nam-get you hands off me I don't wanna go please no just let me stay!

>>16536876
If you are looking for bad fanfiction in that setting, you are looking at the wrong story.

Try Past Sins.

>>16536909

No thanks. Not a MLP person so I wouldn't know the basics of the setting. I picked that one since crossovers are some of the most dangerous events and I know Battletech like the back of my hand.

First chapter seemed like standard Btech fare though. And I found a point where I could cut it off and stop the crossover. Might fall under the Shinji 40K "let it run it's course" catagory though.

What say ye anon?

>>16536968

We know how Btechers treat aliens and anything not human.

>>16536968
Oh, you are looking for an example of crossover correction. I thought you were dumpster-diving for bad fanfics so I recommended that you read MLP;FiM's version of My Immortal.

>>16536830 here.
I've done some general setting writefaggotry, applicable to the meta setting. Opinions appreciated:

"What are Sues? Why do they exist?
These are questions that you are asking yourself or have asked yourself as you stepped up to become an Editor.
I am here to answer this question for you.
A sue is the product of a lazy mind; one who can not put in the relatively minor effort to find those major details of whatever Fiction universe they are using like their personal playground.
They are the product of someone who doesn't care enough to get anything right, to ensure what they are creating is worthy of notice.
Sues are not worthy of the worlds they twist and taint. This is why we are here.

Sues exist because their creators can not pull their own weight and make something original, so they appropriate the work of others. Sues are thieves, stealing, twisting and breaking the lives and worlds of Fiction. They are godlings of sick fantasy; created as if from a genie's wish, with power they neither earned or deserve.
This is how we defeat them: They have not earned their power; so they do not understand it. They are only as smart as their authors were. As I have said, their authors were lazy, unplanned and sloppy.

Through effort and diligence, through meticulous work we will succeed. Sense and logic defeat the senseless and illogical. Hard work and planning defeat the unplanned and sloppy.

THAT, my new editors, is why we will prevail."
- Proofreader, giving an inspiration speech to new recruits.

Though I ain't too well-versed in fanfiction and crossovers, and thus unable to adequately contribute to the topic, please bear in mind that I am thoroughly enjoying your work thus far.

>>16537612
Fanfiction is easy to understand; it follows Sturgeon's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law
It's 90% shit. You should appreciate good FF writers because they are RARE.

And thanks.

rolled 96 = 96

By the will of the Author, let the Canon run it's course. Let no outside influence taint your creation. Let no idea within be warped by the perfect devils, let no Sue fester.
By the will of the Author, leave the Canon untouched.

-Just a little prayer-type thing based around the previous idea of religious fanaticism around Canon/fanatic Proofreaders.Prolly needs polish from a native english-speaker or something. Eh.

>Perception oficele
Icele sounds like a Sue name,Captcha. My perception of it would be disgust.

>>16537612

I just had a good thought for the BBEG in my campaign. A Rogue Editor known as The Collector.

He is one that has been twisted by the love of Mary Sues. He collects them and keeps them imprisoned, for they make him feel loved and happy. Outside their own universes and with the powers of a Sue himself, they are safely locked away for as long as he lives. But now...now he is an old man near death, and there threatens to be an escape of hundreds upon hundreds of Mary Sues into Meta should he pass away. This is where your team comes in.

Just replace the word Unicorn with Mary Sue in this scene and make the Red Bull a Shipper instead of a creature.

"Do you still deny yourself? Do you dare still pretend to be human? I WILL HURL YOU DOWN TO THE OTHERS WITH MY OWN HANDS IF YOU DARE DENY YOURSELF!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP3DhTq8mXg

>>16537903

"Do not mock me. I know very well what you have come for, and you know very well that I have them. Try to take them if you can, but DO NOT MOCK ME!"

>>16529282
this is bumb
i mean bumped

>>16537903
>>16537981

"Welcome to this briefing. We don't have much time so I'll let Proofreader Juarez get right down to it."

"Gentleman, we have grievous news. The Collector has been located after all these many years. As you know, this Rogue Editor has been on our lists for many years. Still he has stayed out of the course of the Canon, using his amassed Meta wealth to hire Shippers to do his dirty work. We may never even have stumbled across him if it weren't for the Fixers. In the 433rd attempt to send false Starfleet mandatory elocution lesson orders to Captain James T. Kirk, they discovered something strange in the Federation logs."

>>16538135

"Here you can see it, a red-winged bull emblazoned on the side of this unidentified vessel. Looking closely she appears to be a Meta Galvan-class Jumpship heavily-modified with fiction-tech. There can be little doubt that this is the legendary Shipping crew, the Men at Arms, and their ship the Wing Giver. An old Constellation class ship was sent to investigate and only a short message, a set of coordinates and these next photos were sent back. We recovered them off the Fixers when our agents intercepted them."

"Sir should not the Canon be self-correcting at this point?"

"Indeed my boy. See here around their destination, Datha IV: Wreckage of at least one Borg cube and spectrograph analysis indicating at least one dispersed energy entity. Canon has thrown some heavy things at it but this place is a fortress guarded by a monster who steers clear of main events. Still the high level of technology and enemies have long discouraged our searches for him out here. Even Shippers as good as the Men at Arms would need to be leery of the locals in this setting. The recovered message was as follows."

"We must try to save them. Never before have I felt such pity, such empathy. A tidal wave of love and loneliness emanates from that world like light from a dying star. I felt like I was going to die. The old man will try to stop us, and we may fail but we must try!"

"The cumulative Sue effect you see here is staggering. He must hundreds of the creatures in his twisted menagerie. That is all the major info we have. Team Leader Tannon will give you the details. This is going to be one hell of a tricky mission."

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-

>>16537792
Thanks. I remember reading one or two truly, truly AWFUL fanfics back in the 90s and kept myself away from them ever since.

Though in this setting, George Lucas will probably be an interesting BBEG. Someone who has pulled himself away from the Creative Collective and turned into a Fixer, bordering on Fireman by some folks' guess. While his meddling is indeed dangerous to the whole of the Meta, it has at least drawn the attention of similarly dangerous Purists. Now, Lucas and the Purists are engaged in an all-out war in their pocket of the Meta, far far away. Can your team of Editors swoop in and destroy Lucas before he defeats the Purists and become even MORE powerful.

Bump. Can we breath some life back into this?

-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-

-eep. BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

>>16539979
I dunno if Lucas would actually BE in the Metaworld. People from Reality don't exist there, their terrible sues, self inserts, etc, do.

>>16542338
True enough, though with the level of meddling with his own Canon, it may have warped himself into the Meta. Whether or not it was planned, who knows.

>>16539979
Do not blame Lucas. He is but a victim of the sues, as we all are. They crushed one of his worlds, and the shock of it being ripped from his mind addled him. Such is what happens to any creator who's works go to shit.

This is a wonderful idea and everyone who contributed should feel proud of themselves.

>>16542748
I feel more tired than proud. Much of what went on in this and the previous thread was me being the only one awake to answer questions and clarify things. I fear I may have added too much of my own POV.

>>16542838
You're Fix---

Let's not let this get double meta.

The small wrecked Jumpship smoked in a field on the outskirts of Forks, vegetation already entwining it's sputtering coils. The Canon would begin to take it back shortly now that it's crew was dead. Ctrl-U was marked on the side of the entry door. It was an old Editor ship alright, a class they hadn't had in service in years. The Fireman carefully arranged his charges on the door. A short loud bang and the door was separated from its hinges. Pulling out a large crowbar, the Fireman set to work finishing to open the big tin can. Black smoke and the stench of burning plastic assaulted him as he opened the way into the ship. He grunted and stepped into the murky interior.

>>16544016

The heat and smoke impaired his normal sight and the infrared camera mounted on his gas mask, compacted by the dark unlit corridors of the ship. He fumbled his way to the bridge. There was no sign of the crew, and the electronics were as dead as a doornail. The whole thing stank of something rotten. A ship this old could be Shippers easily, or Fixers, but the problem was what got them. Editors would never have left this much wreckage around with the Twilight Gate being as massive as it is. Only thing left to do was check cargo for anything that might be useful in continuing his decoy mission here. It had been a long while since he had supplies. Rat soup gets old fast, when you have to use the same rat on the 3rd day anyway.

>>16544111
>Firemen writefaggotry
Bueno.jpg

>>16544111

On such a small ship it didn't take much time to get to the cargo area under the engines, even stumbling around half blind. At first glance, the shadows only covered a dusty floor and empty corners. Somebody had cleaned the place. Crew or scavengers didn't matter. Either way, the Fireman didn't have dick to justify the resources he wasted into breaking into this old hunk of junk. As a fireseed, he didn't get to have the fun of the smash and burn teams, and he didn't get the resources either. As he took a closer look around the empty storage, he noticed that there was an odd protrusion in the wall. In the back of the ship was a container stuffed to the gills with reinforced armor and structural supports attached to a large array of power cable linked to the ship's generator.

The sparks spitting from frayed wires showed they were indeed live and hot. Whatever this was, it was running on the last reserves of the ship. That meant it was something nasty. As a Fireman, nasty could be exactly what he need. Slowly, he approached the container.

As he walked up to the box, a warm voice whispered through the dark and all the Fireman headgear to drill right into the man's mind.

"Yesss. Free me Fireman. We are brothers you and I. Free me and together we shall make this world burn."