Nod, and hold the sword in both hands, bowing to Sempai. Squeeze the blade and try to relax it if we can. Also, look in awe and don't fangasm too much.

Stand in the back, and watch everyone carefully.

>>16520808
>>16520746
Pay attention to Samehada to make sure it's not trying to leech our chakra, and maybe actively sense its chakra to see if there is anything different about it.

>>16520832
No, we shouldn't do that. First, holding the blade like that is generally not how blades are handled.
And second, WE'RE the intermediary, we're supposed to be right up there facing Kisame.

We're going to damn well keep hold of that blade for him, no-one but him and us touch that thing.

Even after all this Kisame is such a bro.

Actually, this could be a setup for possession, and he wanted us armed, though a long shot considering the odds against us were something like that to happen. I don't know what other kind of precautions we could take though.

>>16520832
I think we're more bro/frenemy than fanboy for Kisame by now

>>16520838
>>16520832

To your senses the Samehada is rather relaxed in your grip and seems to welcome you holding it.

Kisame clears his throat, "I am the leader of the Akatsuki. I am speaking through Hoshigaki Kisame, one of my Ten Dawnbringers. He speaks to you as I speak to him." Kisame says, though his eyes unfocus as he remembers and recalls this perfectly, "I have a vision of a united world, a land where the wars of the Hidden Villages do not rend the land apart and crush those who fall under their boots. I wish for your Hidden Villages to give me your contracts, to give me your missions, and allow my shinobi to undertake them."

>>16520877
Dude, we're holding Samehada. That's the greatest sword Mist has every created. We're not just fanning over out Sempai. We're obsessing over the best weapon ever.

>>16520880
"And what of the Villages? What happens to them? Absorbed into your organization?"

>>16520904
I think we should let the Kage's talk with him for now. We do have one request to make should the negotiations go well though so we should keep that in mind.

>>16520904
This, but wait for the Kages to talk.

>>16520880
Let's go straight to business. No reason to beat around the bush.

"What of the shinobi still in the villages? How are the Hidden Villages to make their own livings with this set-up?"

If we're not totally against the Akatsuki Plan as a whole, I say we should try and steer dealings towards a steady gradual change from Village to Akatsuki rather than a sudden total one.

Oh man, I think we're going to have to invest in a strength perk at some point, if we kill Kisame we may well end up wielding Samehada either along with our own blade or combined with it.

Either way, need mondo strength with it.

>>16520895
Sure it's a great sword, but we've got Suiseiken.

>>16520939
I think we're more the type to bury Samehada with him. We've got Suiseiken, which is sword enough for us.

>>16520946
Oh, of course. It's just, 'damn, that's a good sword'.

>>16520977

I suppose that should it come to it we can always ask Samehada what it wants, it is alive afterall.

>>16521019
Do we know that?

>>16521028
It has it's own chakra system, and OP was just referring to its feelings. I think we can tell.

>>16521028

Well, we've felt it writhe and react to us while we've held it, I believe Kisame has also mentioned that Samehada is partly alive as well, we should have an idea that there's more to Samehada than just a sword.

Anyway, while we wait for the Kage's words we should probably focus on comforting Samehada, it's probably fairly upset at being away from Kisame.

>>16520904
>>16520936

Your comments are allowed to be spoken as the Kages are simply here as officials to make sure you are representing them correctly.

"The Villages will all be paid a portion of the profits to maintain themselves. Akatsuki is not trying to dominate the world, we are trying to integrate the world, together. All villages will be paid monthly to maintain themselves, and with all supplies and training handled by Akatsuki, save for training the Villages wishes to impart, their costs will see a steep decline." He says and the Hokage speaks.

"How will you encourage the more belligerent nations to go along with you? The Cloud Village will never surrender their sovereignty to you." He says and Kisame nods, "I am aware of that. Each village is a unique entity and will be handled separately. For example, Kirigakure is a nation of trade, so we will put great efforts towards improving and protecting the shipping lanes, as well as putting more trade through Kiri docks to increase their income."

>>16521072

Hmm, then the attacks on our lands were missions? The empty village too?

>>16521072
"There is no such thing as a perfect plan. If you've truly thought this out then you'll no doubt know of flaws that this system will have compared to the current one."

OP to work away!

>>16521132
Aww, well take care, OP! Await your return, and the mIRC RPG game.

>>16521072
"What about the shinobi of each Village? A drastic cut in income, and no jobs, will lead to out-of-work shinobi.
"Also, what about the Lands themselves? If all shinobi are under your employ, how would missions with conflicting interests be handled?

"You say to Give You our contracts and missions, so Your shinobi could undertake them. You mean to have yourself as the ruler above all others. How can we trust you in such a position? "

Thinking about Samehada so much, it is a kind of shark creature... sort of maybe? At least the full fusion with Kisame supports that, and I wouldn't be surprised if full compatibility required the shark pact.

>>16521188

That's a kind of useless question; he's not going to say 'you can't' and he's not going to give us any reasons we'd go along with. What we need to do is hone in on less thought-out areas and intelligently prise-apart his plan.

"So, you obtain all of the village contracts. Your shinobi create a monopoly on war, with countries all sharing the same military. It would not be long before, under popular demand of the peasantry whom you've been so kind to, the military organized things so they fall under one government. Yours. Does this sound about right?"

>>16521213
Eh, I pretty much agree with the stated philosophy, I suggested as much for Shimaru before, though with less dictatorship. Less war would mean less shinobi work, that's just a fact, but can our stance really be anti-peace? Perhaps the shinobi become the army to spread Akatsuki rule further, but it has to end somewhere. Is split blood required to be considered prosperous, or even strong? Gen and Aya show that some ninja are willing to work non-combat jobs, and though constant war obviously feeds it, it isn't necessary for a martial tradition. Shinobi become guards, police, SWAT. Ninjutsu primarily becomes a science for technological advancement.

The question is, why shouldn't Pain lead? Yeah, he isn't going to tell us outright. So... what have we got?

"How exactly do you intend to unite the world? You assault the Mist, Leaf, and Stone, but have not until now opened dialogue to share your dream. You hope to hold a knife to our necks and wait for someone to acquiesce, then move your efforts on to the next? It sounds like you start war in hopes of ending war."

>>16521480

We absolutely CAN stand in the way of peace if this is how he offers it: Through the ninja equivalent of a corporate takeover. And lemme tell ya, monopoly's on markets tend to do bad things for price and fairness. If there's no 'other' to go against, a group becomes fractious. People will turn on this new government as they will be the only 'force' around, and the government will have to either clamp down on it however best they can, or cede power.

And does this Leader fellow seem the kind to cede power to you?

The urrent system is not perfect. But he's asking for change at a speed and on a level that outstrips current social evolution, and he will fail badly for it if he wishes for a 'happy' peace rather than a hostile one. It's naive...and we should tell him as much, when it comes down to it.

>>16521480
Realistically, the only way to get people to accept a shinobi federation in a very short period of time, is if it becomes essential to their survival. If an outside power, like Akatsuki, threatened everyone with destruction unless they all banded together. Even then such an alliance may quickly fall apart, but in the short term that's probably the best method.

>>16521866

I'd like to think that this was Madara's secret plan all along- to unite the Shinobi world by putting himself in opposition.

Buuut that's too clever for Kishi.

Something just occurs to me.

What is this Leader planning for? He wouldn't want to unite the nation's armies like this unless he was trying to prepare for something.

"What does he think is coming?"

>>16521901
There may be no real external threat. It could just be a boogieman used to scare the shinobi nations into cowering under Akatsuki's umbrella.
Don't assume that there's a real threat, when an imaginary one is good enough for the opposition's purposes.

Going back to trusting him as a sole governor and following this vein.
>>16521480
"You have treated the Sand with a kinder touch; perhaps they will elect to give you rule, and you can prove your virtue and ability to lead. In the mean time, peace between leaf and mist does not seem so unattainable."

Just as its own question, "Why should all the land be ruled by an individual? So much power, such much responsibility, so many peoples' cares to attend. Even given peace, why should you hold everyone's well being in your hand?"

If he was to compare his sole rulership to having a Kage we've got a great little anecdote. "Not every Kage is great. Sometimes a Kage's decisions destroy the unity of his domain, and the only way to end his reign is to end his life. We do not know you, and you have given us little reason to trust you. Why would we trust your rulership?"

>>16522010
Condense it a lot more, though.

People seem to always forget that Shimaru is a taciturn and professional ninja, an operator who operates.
People have been writing more and more dialogue when it should short, terse, and to the point.
It can be insightful, just not verbose.

>>16522010
>>16522096
So something like

"Great power can be greatly misused. The last Mizukage was proof enough of that, and that was just one village. You want the entire country."

>>16522096
This is true. Hard to write taciturn.

>>16522260
I like this.

Think I could tell you about some of the horrible characters I came across while PR'ing with my friends? Just to pass the time away...

>>16521982

I know. Real or imagined, but this gives us some insight into the mind of the bastard.

>>16522299
Sure,

>>16522299
Yeah, it'll be a while before OP gets back, so lets hear it.

Alrigth, one of the guys that I had at my group's table was a lguy named Brad. He was a little bit of a dick most of the time but he was cool. He had a bit of a Hell-heaven fetish, everything he played had a connection to Satan and God and so on. He also had the worst fashion sense I've ever read.

His characters name was Brad, a big suprise. He was the last of his clan and villiage that had been wiped out by Brads own hand at the tender age of 5. This wasn't Brad's fault though, see; he had the King of Hell sealed away inside of his body, along with the Queen of Heaven. Sadly, the King was the stronger of the two, or more agressive and was able to possess Brad's body and make him do evil things; like wipe out his village. He was an emotionless robot that barely had any human interaction skills whatsoever, and everyone hated him because he was SO smart and good looking. He had a ring blade like that one girl from soul calibur made out of diomands, kuni made from sapphires, and a katana with a gem encrusted blade. He wore gem covered armor, a red mink coat, gem plated gloves, and lots more bling and fur.

He also had somethign called the kamigan, the ultimate eye ability. the muscles of his chest were in the form of a upsidown pentagon. Many of his jutsu's revolved around hellfire, death and destruction on a massive scale. And necromancy at some point. Eventually he also learned how to use the Queen side of his abilities and heal others and stuff. He also learned how to summon a dragon.

Another person's character was a rip off of the main guy from Yu Yu hakusho; had this gun finger thing. They weren't of the Hyuuga clan, infact not even from the same village. I think they were playing a cloud ninja or something, whatever. The point is that they had found a special scroll hidden away somewhere outside the village that was a detailed account of the Byakugan and chakra points and so on. And this guy says cool, I'm going to master it! And so combines his knowledge of air chakra with what he's learning from the scroll and learns how to shoot chakra out of the chakra points like a bullet and had some chakra paralyzing abilities and so on.

I suppose I am no better, I had a taijutsu character that was like this. I said that his clan and the Hyuuga clan were closely related or something along those lines; his clan didn't have the eye abilities but had the chakra knowledge of the clan. While they had a more soft style of batteling, his clan had a more aggressive battle style. They basically had explouding punches and kicks. I thought it would be cool.

Another had a chracter that was just Water Gaara. Literally, carried around a jug full of water and had a demon sealed inside of her. Horrible backstory, nobody loved her. Orphan.... Blah blah blah. Looking for her twin brother who also had a water demon sealied inside of him who went missing after killing like half of the mist villiages entire population. Constantly crying about anything that went her way and anytime someone tried to hurt her she'd break down and start sobbing. Also had a psyco-demon side that would murder everything that came too close, seemed to be insane. Got drunk and tried to bang one of my dudes. No -not happening. So she killed him.

>>16522463
>ring blade made out of diamonds
>kuni made from sapphires
>katana with a gem encrusted blade
>gem covered armor
>a red mink coat
>gem plated gloves
And...why did he do Ninjaing and, not, you know, sell Armor and Acquire Profit?

>>16522565
These sound almost decent.

>>16522625
Because he was an emotionless monster who murdered for fun. Seriously, he killed and destroyed things for what little pleasure he could get.

Another character of mine came from a family of earth-jutsu users. Like, that was what they were skilled at and had passed down a few unique jutsu despite not being something like a clan But sadly something bad happened and he had to have one of his bones replaced with a metal rod. This metal-rod ended up doing an unusual thing to his chakra, granting him magnetic powers and lightening abilities. Also he used hook-swords in combat, because I thought they were cool.

And then there was a medic-nin who had an ability to see blood, like the hyuuga clan but with veins. And his clan's blood was acidic and they could contol it like water. Idolized Hidan and wanted to be just like him and kept making an ass of himself no matter what. And was also like, a wanabe satanist and compiled Satanism and Jashin together who his character worshipped. And said that his eye ability aloud him to see people naked and would do so around any girl with a pulse.

And then there was another character who had dimensional-portal jutsu and was invinsible. Nothing could stop this person from destroying anything. NOTHING, they'd just teleport away or teleport the oncoming jutus into the body of the person they're fighting. How do you like that Chidori inside your ribcage? Or they'd go back in time and kill you while you where a baby. Immune to genjutsu and skilled in every type of ninjutsu and weapon imaginable. Slept with everything, was really hot, and hit on her students. She was our teacher.

Hey guys, working on that pic I mentioned in the last thread. It's turned into a mini comic at about 4 pages which will likely end up at 5. I'm doing the 'oh shit' page right now and I decided to throw in the reactions of the other swordsmen into the mix.

So saying that, could anyone direct me to the descriptions of the other swordsmen or post them here? Also suggestions for what reactions each of them should have are welcome. It will only be a close up their faces for now though. Once I have idea for how they all look I'll sketch out the Kinkaku force staredown.

God my spelling is terrible.
Alright, the last two to follow are ideas that I had and thought might make interesting characters. As I said before I like Kimimaru a whole lot, he was the coolest of the sound ninja. So I wanted a character who would have the same bloodline and could do cool bone attacks. But Kimimaru is the last of his clan and one of the few who had that ability, how could I do it? A bone transplant. In an effort to re-establish the Mist's bloodlines some unwanted orphans were given bone transplants of Kimimaru's bones and DNA and so on. Sadly, most of them ended up dying because of the mysterious illness he had, some where horribly sick all the time, others never devolped the ability. The ninja I was making was going to be one of these orphans who survived and had some of Kimimaru's bone shifting abilities. Seems possible given Kakashi got an eye transplant and can use the Sharingan, and Danzo, and fishface and his wood jutsu.

I also at some point wanted a swordsman character, one who wanted to become on of The Seven. I dunno why but he was going to be a "vampire" of sorts. He was going to have an iron problem with his blood, and got what he needed from others and iron rich foods. Just didn't know enough about the other Seven and didn't think it would be a good idea.

To be honest, I don't think any of these characters of mine are a good idea. I'm just glad these days are behind me.

>>16522885
Ah, blast. Give me a moment, I'll find them.

Yuki possesess the white hair and pale skin of the Kaguya clan as well as the two red dots on her forehead of the clan, though she often covers it with her headband or her hair. She is dressed like a standard Mist shinobi, anything to make her seem more as part of the group. However, her clothes are often covered in holes from where she sprouts bone.

Yuki yields her blades and has them wrapped with scrolls which allow her to channel chakra through those bones to cut through harder targets. We serrate them, make them poisonous hypodermics, and when they inject the poison the victim's body begins to expel their chakra making Yuki able to absorb it and the target bleeding out their chakra until they pass out or have the poison neutralized.

Waraji is tall and powerful, he wears a black yukata under his tac vest. His black eyes are cruel and merciless and his sharp teeth are chipped from actually biting people through their armor in combat. He wears a long red ponytail.

Waraji has a thick one-handed blade with no guard, heavy and good for stabbing, just as he likes it. Gen has made for him him a seal which allows the blade to spread mist when he slashes with it.

Tetsuo currently is fat, ugly, and drunk. When he was younger, however, he was rugged and handsome.

Tetuso takes a weapon that flashes brightly whenever he uses his Dancer's Lunge technique.

Despite his eerie appearance, bald and stern, Saito is young and inexperienced. He was extremely studious as a younger man and only recently has started going on missions.

Saito, bald and creepy, Saito wears the standard Mist uniform with a trenchcoat over it, giving him more of a scary ominous look. He carries steel wire and kunai everywhere he goes, just in case.

Saito created a blade that stores up to three items for him to bring along more easily and release inside of people's body, exploding tags, chakra-system seals, and an envenomed kunai.

>>16523038
>>16523079
>>16523089
>>16523099

Thanks bro.

Similar to Tetsuo, Gendo is a more nimble combatant than the Mist is used to producing. His Crocodile Pact has made him stronger than he appears, however. Under the red and white outfit and white cap, Gendo can suffer more harm than most shinobi could conceive of.

Gendo, tall and thin, Gendo is dressed like a bit of a fop, overly dressed up and flamboyant, but despite that, he is still serious looking if you see his face. He has lean elfin features and white hair.

Gendo's weapon has a built in amplifier to make his laughter louder and more effective, as well as a filter to make his breathing unobstructed by poison or things like that.

>>16523099
I thought we were working on Tetsuo's slovenliness.

>>16523140
He probably shaped up a bit after we got everyone into professional mode, however we haven't gotten a rundown on what the team looks like since everyone modified their sword.

>>16523127
Welcome! Sooner we get art, the better.

Moreover, scanning through everyone else's First Unique, I got thinking about our Willow ability. As it stood, it was as follows: 'Parry a melee attack, counterattack, and grapple an opponent at the cost of 1 point of Determination.'

Now, I think we could turn this into a Determination Drainer although I don't know if it would be better or worse, by the way of being broken. Anyway, if just add the stipulation that for 1point of Determination, the attacker is not counter-attacked or grappled, and for 2 points of Determination, the attacker can continue their attack. Which I think makes sense as getting tangled with us in melee is a tiring affair.

So how bad are the characters I told you about on a scale of one to ten? I'm curious what /tg/ thinks of my friend's and my creativity.

>>16523140
Well, I think he's thinning, but slowly. And he had a big long beard, but he's shaved that.

>>16523273
So should he be completely clean shaven then or just respectably trimmed up?

Also any suggestions for expressions? So far on the page I have:

Asuma: 'well fuck' + dropping cigarete out of his mouth.
Guy: 'Dynamic Jaw Drop'
Kurenai: 'I think I'm going to be sick'
"Easteregg": "This Pleases ___________"

Mangetsu: 'Heh never doubted him' drippy smile
Yuki: 'Oh god he nearly gave me a heart attack' relieved sigh.

still brainstorming the rest.

>>16523262
Ok, down the line?

Brad:
Sounded kinda crap, unless he was played as a comedy character.

Yu-Yu-Hakusho:
Decent-ish. No idea about personality, but back story could just do with no Hyuuga and just some origninal way to shoot laser-Chakra.

Hard-Hitting Hyuuga:
This could do with more Hyuuga. Branch kid who sucks when it comes to seeing things, but darn good at punchings. No idea about personality, though.

Water Gaara.
Shit.

Magneto-Jitsu
Maybe good, not sure about personality. Don't know what the Clan Jitsu is, and metal-bones -almost- sounds like it works, but it's a little extreme.

Blood-Ninja
>medic-nin who had an ability to see blood, like the hyuuga clan
This sounds nice.
>his clan's blood was acidic
Err.
>and they could contol it like water.
That's a lil' rediclous.
>Idolized Hidan and wanted to be just like him and kept making an ass.
Oh, I hope this was done intentionally. Otherwise, he just sounds like a ass.

Immortal Tele-slut:
Yeahno. Yeahthisisbad. Terribad.

Kimimaru 2.0
Given Shippūden, this is well within the story and, honestly, I would not be too suprised by it. As long as the personality is something decent.

>>16523388
Well, we have B and A so those two are taken care of. Was it Gendo that eagerly wanted to 'Kill Them All'. Because one of the seven has to go 'Ooh, Yes!'.

Damn it, I can now see this in my head.

And OP returns early. No one wanted his booze tonight, it seems.

Alright, I see we've been keeping busy and we have a lot of philosophical debating ahead of us, so we'll jump right on that.

Also, thanks to the Sketchy Drawfag for being a class A badass and working so hard on this. Really gives the Quest a feeling of....I dunno, identity?

I would also like to make a special request, whenever you can get around to it. A big standardized picture that I can use as our Five Nations General, rather than have me just slap the logo on a picture I find or steal in paint.

Oh, and Sketchy Drawfag, I have to say that I -kinda- like sketchy a bit more then inked.

>>16523518

heh, thanks. I just recently decided that I've gotten way to damn rusty and this is just the kind of project that I can sharpen up on.

Sure I'd be willing to do that. I'll ask you about it after I get the 5 pager posted a little later tonight.

>>16523519
Truth be told I prefer it too, but I've been complacent for way to long and I don't have inkers/colorists lining up to co work on stuff with me so I've gotta learn. And inked and colored work is universally more attractive to most folks.

I also did some notation at work and I've come up with a few changes I wanna bullet-test before putting them in the V0.2 version of the rules. As such, we'll need to set aside the story for a moment to test them.

>>16523518
Well, lets get into this philosophic nonsense.

>>16523632
Well, I agree, I just like sketchy. And I am outside the norm.

>>16523510
Yep it was gendo. I'm gonna go with a 'FUCK YES MOTHERFUCKERS!' arms raised in the air kinda expression. Like if he just won the playoffs or something.

>>16523642
>is excited because he likes crunch as much as fluff.

Also op does Yuki avoid wearing her hair like a traditional member of her clan. I was thinking yes but may as well make sure.

>>16523476
Thanks for the crit, and uhm... Lightening guy didn't have all of his bones as metal, only one in his arm, as a replacement cause something bad happened to the other one. Sorry if you thought he was like Wolverine or whatever.
And the hard hitting hyuuga was like Naruto I guess, just not as clingy to people. Or as annoying. Just a normal guy who did what he was told and punched shit into oblivion.

Yay! OP is back.

>>16523642
Combat, or what? But I don't mind at all, this is a nice way to play test so if we just need to do something to test I don't mind.

>>16523702
No, she wears it down, or at the most fancy in a ponytail. She tries to avoid looking like a Kaguya if possible.

>>16523718
Yep! Combat stuff. I'm trying the new higher-than-Jonin ranks out and the additional UA's I am using, as well as a super duper beta version of the Nindou system. We will be fighting Jiraiya as he is listed in the book, and then Jiraiya as he is post-upgrades.

>>16523705
Glad to be back, Anon!

>>16523758

OP... look at this.

>>16521901

Because I'm thinking that this Leader wants to defend the nations from something. Or at least that's what it looks like.

>>16523858
It's a very possible interpretation. What does Leader know? We shall find out, once we do a little mechanical work!

>>16523758
Please oh god tell me we won't be fighting Jiraiya.

Also, regarding the Nindo. Will it only affect combat, or can they do things out of combat? I' hoping they can because they kinda make sense to do so. And I'm idly wondering if you've been thinking about social combat.

>>16523872
They can be used out of combat, at the moment in extremely limited scenarios. Also, as towards social combat, there isn't really a ton of it in the show, but the few instances that come to mind are some of the most face-palm worthy moments, such as Pein talking to Naruto. God that scene...is so stupid.

>>16523675
"Shimaru shoots, he scores!"

>>16523887
Ok. Just wondering, because we are kinda focusing on combat and hoping we're not disregarding non-combat encounters from the playtesting.

That said, how does taking someone out with just a Genjitsu work?

>>16523914
Depends on the Genjutsu in question, to be honest. Most Genjutsu don't do the work themselves, they're more crowd control than anything. Of the Genjutsu I can think of that actually do damage are Tsukuyomi, which is 100% lethal if the instigator wishes it, and that's pretty much it. Itachi's Finger Genjutsu is capable of exhausting you, but for the most part Genjutsu just restrains people allowing you to execute them.

rolled 10, 4, 6, 9 = 29

Alright, let's get down to it. First Round, Shimaru vs Jiraiya. Shimaru as he stands now, Jiraiya with these stats.

Jiraiya
Legendary Sannin
Jonin

Injury: 6, 12, 24
Chakra Pool: 7
Chakra: 6
Ninjutsu: 8
Taijutsu: 7
Genjutsu: 2
Determination: 7

Persuasion: 3
Infiltration: 3
Shinobi Movement: 2
Fire Element: 3
Rasengan Style: 4
Hair Combat: 5


Feats-
Strength of Spirit
Close Sensei (Third Hokage)

Perks-
Mastery (Rasengan)
Summoning Contract (Toads)
Showboater (Unique 1)
Hair Jutsu Master (Unique 2)
Summoner and Summoned As One(Unique 3)
Bond (Tsunade)
Mastery (Summoning Jutsu)
Reputation (War Hero of the Third Shinobi War)
High Ranking Shinobi (Konohagakure)

Techniques-
Rasengan (C:X, R:1,D:X+(1/2)N) (H)
Summoning Jutsu (C:2, R:-, D:-)
Fireball Jutsu (C:1, R:5, D:(1/2)N+3)
Shunshin (C:1, R:5, D:-)

We are 10 squares apart. Rank+Genjutsu Knowledge to get initiative.

rolled 1, 9, 2, 4, 2, 10, 9 = 37

>>16524009
Rank 4 + Genjutsu Knowledge 3

rolled 7, 10, 9, 6 = 32

>>16524153
It's on you. Jiraiya sucks hard at Genjutsu.

rolled 4, 1, 8, 10, 6, 4, 10, 6, 8 = 57

>>16524167
Get right in there and slash him good.
Rank 4 + Greatsword 5

rolled 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 25

>>16524219
You come in close and Jiraiya curls up inside a spiked dome of his own hair, his hands clapping together, hopefully in time and with enough strength to save him.

rolled 7, 3, 5, 2, 9, 10, 8, 10, 6 = 60

>>16524245
Let's try that again and this time type it correctly.

rolled 4, 7, 2, 2, 8, 5, 1, 9, 3 = 41

>>16524219
>>16524250
You got him beat by 1, which means its a failure on both sides.

Your blade smashes into his iron hard hair and your advanced his stopped cold by the Sannin.

With a few quick hand-seals he tries to extend a long blast of spiky hair at you to impale you.

>>16524250

And here I thought we were soooo boned.

rolled 8, 1, 9, 9, 5, 4, 7, 8, 1 = 52

>>16524270
Rank 4 + Shinobi Movement 5 to leap back and evade.

>>16524301
>>16524270

Both criticals, you got 2 1's, so it's a tie again.

You jump away, the needles of the hair blitzing across your shoulder as you readjust yourself, putting some space between you and the Sannin.

>>16524357
Action 1: Create 4 clones.
Clones Action 1: Shunshin to surround Jiraiya, 4 spaces away.
Clones Action 2: Hidden Mist Jutsu
Action 2: Avatar of the Sea Jutsu

Incidentally, why are we doing this hypothetical fight again? Just to see something about the system?

rolled 3, 6, 6, 8, 9, 3, 6, 6, 9 = 56

>>16524405
Your clones take up formation around Jiraiya as you armor yourself in your shield of water. He looks around for a moment before signing and slapping his palm against the ground.

A large toad is now under Jiraiya, which jumps up into the air and smashes down, the impact killing all but a single one of your clones which got away luckily.

The toad spews forth a gout of oil, which Jiraiya obligingly spits fire on, creating a small hellstorm of fire.

>>16524425
Yes, we're doing it as a control for the next fight we'll be doing against Jiraiya with the upgrades I'm intending, seeing how powerful they really are, and etc.

rolled 8, 10, 6, 9, 10, 10, 4, 10, 9 = 76

>>16524445
Ninjitsu knowledge, for how to counteract?

If not, and as it's the same roll, DODGE! Remembering to use armor!

>>16524494
Ok, blow a determination to get rid of one ten, and armor reducese one ten down by two for 8, under our Tenjitsu. I don't -think- that's enough, but it's the best we can do

>>16524494
Not your day today. 2 10's, assuming you negate 1 with your Determination and the other with your armor.

>>16524445

3 vs 9. Jiraiya's gonna drop you to injured and just let the fire hit you.

(10 (Ninjutsu)+3 (Fire Talent)+3 (Summoner and Summoned As One)) *2 (Critical)

Boom roasted. Lucky crit scores the day.

>>16524452

We're going to fight Jiraiya ICly? That won't end well at all!

>>16524520
32 damage in one attack.
Wow, we just got completely fried.

>>16524520
But Avatar of the Sea should give us a Damage reduction 5 + armor of 2...which I still will put us in 'Injured' but it's a lower injured.

Well, Iron Wind...which I can not remember what I need to roll to hit with.

>>16524563
Just down to 25 which means we still have 11 points left! Although yes, we are -kinda- almost dead, but We Are Buzzsaw!

>>16524563
He dropped you to injured first, which puts you at 10. Then he deals 38 (19*2) -7. 31+10=41, just enough to blast the flesh off your bones and melt that armor.

>>16524593
>>16524593
Whoa, math screwup. Sorry sorry. Yes you guys are still alive!

10+(32-7=25) 35 injury.

You're at wounded. But you can pull through this!

>>16524593
eeee. Were did you get the 19 from, can I ask? And lets try 'New, Improved' Jiraiya that will kick our asses faster.

rolled 6, 9, 8, 7, 3, 5, 3, 2, 5 = 48

>>16524605
Yeah, geeze. Don't kill us -that- quickly. So now...Iron wind while running in and flicker-blade the sword back after it hits. Burning a chakra for the sleave and one for Buzzsaw! If he's more then 7 squares...do we have three more chakra to make it hit him?

rolled 10, 9, 8, 9, 2, 2, 2, 10 = 52

>>16524664
Four Clones is 5 chakra. You've got 4 left.

He's only 4 squares, so you can strike him for just the Iron Wind cost.

Your sword comes in and his frog braces and tries to leap away from the impending attack.

>>16524664
>>16524682
His 1 vs your.....9? Yeah, he's hosed. He's underskilled and understatted, and it really really shows. His vital skills cannot save him and he can't even land a fatal blow in a single round of combat, and he lacks the durability to stretch out combat.

Very nicely done. Now I need to ready Neo-Jiraiya.

rolled 4, 6, 5, 7, 4, 7, 3, 2, 7 = 45

>>16524693
Well, remember, we are -kinda- overstatted.

rolled 5, 3, 8, 10, 10, 9, 2, 3, 8 = 58

>>16524693
Hey, lets be sure, how much damage do we do?

>>16524700
Admittedly true. But that's why we're fighting Jiraiya and not, say, Asuma. Jiraiya's on the level of skill points we have, but he's gonna have more 2 more UA's and 2 more dice to his rank pool. As well as the stat adjustments from skill advancement.

Jiraiya
Legendary Sannin
Jonin

Injury: 6, 12, 24
Chakra Pool: 7
Chakra: 6
Ninjutsu: 10
Taijutsu: 7
Genjutsu: 2
Determination: 7

Persuasion: 3
Infiltration: 3
Shinobi Movement: 4
Fire Element: 5
Rasengan Style: 5
Hair Combat: 5
Genjutsu Knowledge: 2


Feats-
Strength of Spirit
Close Sensei (Third Hokage)

Perks-
Mastery (Rasengan)
Summoning Contract (Toads)
Showboater (Unique 1)
Hair Jutsu Master (Unique 2)
Summoner and Summoned As One(Unique 3)
Reactive Summoning (Unique 4)
Oil and Flame (Unique 5)
Bond (Tsunade)
Mastery (Summoning Jutsu)
Mastery (Rasengan)
Reputation (War Hero of the Third Shinobi War)
High Ranking Shinobi (Konohagakure)

Techniques-
Rasengan (C:X-1, R:1,D:X+(1/2)N) (H)(M)
Summoning Jutsu (C:1, R:-, D:-) (M)
Fireball Jutsu (C:1, R:5, D:(1/2)N+3)
Shunshin (C:1, R:5, D:-)
Shadow Clone Jutsu (C:X+1, R:-, D:-)
Spray of Oil (C:1, R:5, D:0)

>>16524700
>>16524713

The Iron Wind alone does (10+5)*2

rolled 4, 1, 3, 4, 4, 1, 7, 1 = 25

Oh god, please let us not go down like a chump...-again-.

>>16524742
Oh yeah! Also forgot to add

Nindou: 4
Summoning Talent: 5
Let's cover what Nindou can do, shall we?

If an attack would kill you you can make an Arduous Test of the skill you wish to use, (IE to Shadow Clone out at the last second it would take 1 Nindou, and 3 successes at least on a Ninjutsu Skill roll.) However, you take a -5 pool penalty to any roll you make the next round.

Secondly, you can use it to enhance an attack by 5 damage. Then you drop to Injured or Wounded, whichever is closest. If you are wounded, nothing ill happens.

Thirdly, you can negate a single success an opponent receives in any roll for 1 Nindou and 1 Determination, as well as taking a -1 Penalty on the next turn.

These are simply the numbers used for testing.

>>16524759
Hey, ah, why does it do that much damage?

>>16524813
(9+5)*2.

I keep forgetting our Taijutsu is 9, not 10.

9 from Taijutsu score and 5 from Greatsword Skills. Additionally you have a critical which doubles the damage dealt.

>>16524770
Oh yeah, this was Gen + Rank.

rolled 10, 5, 3, 4, 10, 5, 6, 2 = 45

>>16524770
Targeting our still pathetic Genjutsu score of 2.

>>16524894
Forever going last.

Take it hotshot. Distance is 10 squares.

rolled 10, 1, 2, 9, 7, 8, 9, 2, 7 = 55

Mist. Then Water clown contiual cast mist were we were. Then both of us using Iron Wind for free? Ninjitsu + rank?

rolled 9, 5, 3, 8, 7, 1, 3, 1, 5 = 42

>>16524921
Spending the 3 chakra for us to get it to reach him.

rolled 2, 8, 1, 10, 10, 10, 5, 4, 1, 7, 8 = 66

>>16524921
Assuming you negate the 10, which I'm sure you will, that's a critical. So we'll test that Nindou right off the bat!

Nindou drops to 3. Testing Summoning Skills, using Reactive Summoning, burning 1 Determination.

Jeez. You trashed him again. (9+5)*2=28. He dead.

Not sure if this is a flaw in the system, because you seem to be able to just instantly fell people with no drawbacks. Thoughts on why this is?

>>16524992
Sadly, as much as I love crunch, I'm not sure what we can do. Maybe allow for more buy outs for bad rolls?

>>16525033
Yeah, or make criticals require a large sum of Determination to activate...something.

Maybe I should deny the point increases when a skill reaches 5 and instead keep the 10-Negation. Our Taijutsu would only be 8, but that still doesn't solve the problem.

Maybe I can allow people to buy-out of 10's with Determination at a 1:1 basis. That'll get tiring quickly, also if I prohibit criticals from activating because of that. Lastly, I think I need to make any modified critical, that is to say using armor, or Determination to negate a 10, should not be a critical as it bars proper response.

>>16524992
Maybe increase the skill cap or have your health increase as rank does? I like the nindou idea. Another way to keep one shots from happening is allowing a nindou to stop damage accrual after it passes into a new wound track (injured to wounded for example) that uses up an appreciable amount of chakra + determination.

In other news I will begin to dump the (very) rough draft for that 5 page bisection dealy thing. Posting it this early mainly for input on the quests original characters and if anyone thinks they don't look quite right.

>>16524992
Maybe increase the amount of HP/ Condition/ Damage one can take? Like a base something (Maybe Taijutsu+Determination) times your rank. Non-ranked Ninja have 1(T+D), Genin 2, Chounin 3, and Jonin 4. It makes it harder to kill higher-ranking opponents, which takes away enough of the lethality to stop it from consistently being a
OHKO scenario in every fight.

>>16525058

Maybe have Determination do something more...?

Opening starts right after the failed injection/punch when the Raikage ignites his armor.

>>16525058
The thing I'm wondering about stop giving us stat bonus' is how else would we raise them?

>>16525109
If we go that route Neo-Jiraya'd have 56 points total. We'd literally only have taken out half his 'health'. Remember, we don't want fights to drag on too much.

Maybe say Rank(Taijutsu+1/2Determination)? He'd have 40 points total, so we'd have dropped him to 18.

Let me know if you guys prefer Shimaru to have headwear or not in this thing. Also bottom panel will be silhouetted in final draft.

I think raising skills to ten but keeping the scaling may help even the field in high level fights, but it will make combat monkey jounin terrifying.

Reaction panel 1.

and 2. That's it for now.

>>16525239
>>16525224
>>16525198
>>16525172
>>16525143
SAVED. ALL OF IT.

YOU BRILLIANT, MAGNIFICENT, AWESOME BASTARD.

>>16525253
Seconded for truth.

You kick so much ass Drawfag!

>>16525163
I like this formula. Keeps combat monsters high and mighty, as well as healthy. To counteract that Ninjutsu needs to be able to drop people's status more regularly or just have more damage from the jutsu itself to compensate. Let's try fighting Kakashi, who will be your rank for the sake of testing.

(I had Jiraiya at two ranks above us, Kage Level 6-Rank.)

>>16525253
I am shocked and awed. SAVING!

>>16525108
Nindou is gained from successful RP'ing, can be saved, and cannot be gained at more than a max of 1 point per session. It has in and out of combat perks, making it valuable, but also scarce.

>>16525134
I'm thinking we should just let Determination turn 10's into 9's. That way the high stated can keep their rolls good. However, we would probably want to think of something to give for maxing a skill then.

Maybe we should just remove criticals from the game? Is it too power?

>>16525276
Sure. I would like to see where our talk with 'Leader' are going, but this is playtesting.

>>16525155
I could include 2 more ranks above Jonin, or have a price for raising them with Skill Points. At that point, however, they aren't skill points, they're Mission Points which you can use to buy skills at the scaling cost, perks at a 1 perk for:3 point basis and Stats at a 1:5 point basis, I would guess.

>>16525239
This is just how I pictured Killer Bee actually. Spot on, and awesome.

>>16525253
>>16525258
>>16525278

Aw shucks. But let me know what you want to do for that standardized picture. Doesn't have to be now, cuz I don't want to detract from the debugging session.

Also critiques welcomed, for those so inclined.

There is too much rolling and need for rapid conversation. Perhaps we should take this to IRC to discuss rules changes?

>>16525346
As far as the picture goes....

Hmm....

How about Shimaru and Kisame back to back, their swords on their shoulders, crossing one another, and above it the title is written?

>>16525361
I'm down.

>captcha: volutner painting
close captcha its volunteer drawing.

>>16525410
That could work. I'll see what I can whip up in the next couple of days.

>>16525421
Same!

>>16525421
>>16525453

I'm on the suptg IRC, channel is #FiveNationsGeneral

Bump before bed.

Morning bump.

So, could anyone who was on the IRC dump what crunch changes were discussed and implemented?

>>16527839
I missed the first 20 minutes, and my log only goes back to 3:20 (4chan-time), and I know I joined earlier, but most importantly for us, there is an increase to the injury pool based on rank; I don't have the technical details (I remember it being based off taijutsu and determination, I think) , but a newly statted character ( http://pastebin.com/p0uZYLuJ ) with 9 taijutsu (4 det) and either Jounin or High-Jounin rank had 52. Obviously there is some extensions of the rank system, it goes genin, chunin, jounin, 'high-jounin', and kage level now. Roughly corresponding to D, C, B, A, and S rankings. Level 5 skills don't up a stat now, but the scaling skill costs are still in. Raising a stat costs 5 points. The points are more generic 'mission points' now (I think they could just be called experience points but w/e), perks are still generally 3 points. Hopefully OP will come and clarify what I left out or messed up.

>>16527993
Oh, it says right there on his sheet. He is A rank.

>>16527993
So we're keeping critical successes in (need to get all successes, no 10's)? So, with a skill mastery, can Determination turn a 10 into a success, into a 9, or just deactivate the auto-fail (which would suck up success or a 1) and turn it into a regular 10?

>>16528053
I don't remember seeing the discussion about criticals. Skill mastery can still negate tens, and I think it is actually reducing them to a 9, but I'm not sure about that. Oh, rereading I see perks at 2 points.

Oh, I'm going to have to say I like increasing health based on rank, but I don't think it should be done on multipliers; it might damage those with poor HtH skills too much. Or at least, there should be a way to choose to base your health off another thing +Det, like how one can use their Tai as their chakra pool.

Hey, this thread is still alive!

Can anyone supply with an updated character sheet of Shimaru?

>>16528449
Here's the current one. This doesn't take into account and retcons or any of the new mechanics changes, though.
OP, please provide an updated version when you get in.

http://pastebin.com/fXMdeVvh

>>16528527
Oh, and inventory corrections:
1 Cloud ANBU cloak
2 Cloud ANBU mask
19 Exploding Tags
?? Kunai (however many we need)

Avatar of the Sea (C:3 R:- D:-)

Good morning everyone, OP's back in the IRC and I'm just putting down the last mechanical changes on paper and modifying our current sheet.

>>16528591
Also Pain Tolerance perks, and Extreme Booster "addon" on Suiseiken. Forgot about kunai, though.
http://pastebin.com/LNxNgfJP

What does ANBU cloak do and is their difference between Mist and Cloud ones?
What is the use of Flak Jackets? Do they provide any protection? And why7 do we have 2 of them, do we wear them one over another?


What is Shunshin technique?
... and I cannot understand what Iron Wind is supposed to do.

>>16528618
Yep yep. Ok, let's see what we got!

http://pastebin.com/aiDggj1M

This should be fully updated Shimaru.

>>16528653
ANBU Cloak hides you from chakra sensing, Im pretty sure they work the same between villages.
We do wear one of Flak Jackets over armour, but didnt find a use for a second one.
Shunshin is pretty much a fast movement jutsu.
Iron Wind s about throwing a sword in opponent, and pull it back. Im not sure why it is an Iron Wind, when it is a Blade Boomerang, but whatever.

>>16528653
The ANBU cloak makes us impossible to be sensed while we are covered up and wearing it. There is no functional difference between each villages cloak, atm. I'll probably make a camo bonus later.

Flak Jackets provide a protection of 2, we are wearing it over our armor which gives 3. We take the stronger bonus. It provides us easy storage, and it also keeps our neck safe.

Shunshin is the technique of moving extremely quickly so that it seems like teleporting.

Iron Wind is little more than a simple throwing sword attack.

Okay, are we doing more test fights, continuing with the talks, or doing both (test fights in IRC, diplomacy in thread)?

>>16528690
>>16528699
Thanks.

How is damage calculated? Both normal melee attack and techniques.

>>16528768
Damage is calculated thusly.

Stat+Skill Rank+Equipment/Base Damage+Extras

>>16528767
I believe we're gonna do both, diplomacy for damn sure, if suptg's irc has roller.

>>16528768
Relevant stat + relevant skill + modifiers
We might want to consider weapon damage modifiers, but they haven't come up yet.

Example of Shimaru, using his Greatsword, with the Steam Buzzsaw activated:
Taijutsu 9 + Greatsword Skill 5 + Steam Buzzsaw 3 = 17 damage
If we get a critical success, that doubles damage, resulting in 34 damage.
That's usually enough to one-shot most opponents.

For techniques, it's Ninjutsu + Modifiers.

>>16528799
What are "extras" and base damage of our current sword (and for the comparison, the sword we originally wielded)

>>16521982
>
There may be no real external threat. It could just be a boogieman used to scare the shinobi nations into cowering under Akatsuki's umbrella.
>Don't assume that there's a real threat, when an imaginary one is good enough for the opposition's purposes.

>>16528814
Base damage for our sword is 5, current is 5. But our sword has a ton of spiffy extras.

Extras are things like our buzzsaw, and being able to channel chakra.

>>16528807
Yep, but we've also made it much much harder to get crits and much easier to negate your own failings with Determination.

Also, modifying a roll using your Skill Mastery to reduce a 10, does not count as a critical anymore. A critical has to be a natural critical to count, period.

>>16528822
>>16522010
>>16522260

"I do not demand sovereign leadership, not expect it. To do so would be folly and would be seizure of the rights of shinobi and the villages everywhere. Kages will retain their power, villages will retain their function, however they will receive missions through us so that we may organize resources better on a global scale in addition to avoiding the taking of missions that are directly targeted at certain villages." Kisame says as Leader speaks through his lips.

>>16528827
So... with the current stats, we need to roll 9d10 and as long as the roll is under nine or equal that counts as success? Am I getting this right?

Damn, that sounds too easy to beat actually.

>>16528883
Yep, and for each roll under 9 you get it counts as a success. Then your opponent roll theirs and you compare total number of successes. Getting more than 2, the default to win at a task, enables you to use Extra Effects.

>>16528876
"Certain villages? Ones who wont tolerate you stealing their income, I presume? And what do we get for this, so called, cooperation? Leavings from your table."

>>16528928
"For this cooperation you will all not only receive a freedom from war between one another, but an increase in prosperity, in understand, and in growth. My own home village has benefited from my system with me at the head of it, and we are the most advanced Village in the world. This is a plead of peace, a longstanding wish in the shinobi world."

>>16528928
Perhaps a bit abrasive. I think he just meant missions that target a village, in general. Although clarification isn't a bad thing.

At this point I would turn to the Kage and see if they have anything to say.

Minato and Mei look at one another before Mei speaks, "And...when would you want this to happen? How?" She asks and Kisame speaks, "For now what would be best is giving us your contracts. Akatsuki will kick back 80% of the profits to the village for being able to borrow your shinobi. We will also pay a monthly stipend of 25% your currently monthly mission revenue from our other sources of income. You will just be in charge of training your next generation of shinobi and working on advancement of society."

>>16528953
"You've done this at the small scale. A single Village's success is no measure of your plan, when it is about multiple Villages working together.
"What proof do you have of success?"

>>16528999
"I can clearly not cite success at a large scale with no control. That, Brothers and Sister, is why I propose this. Give me a month of control over your villages. Using the system I have recommended I will show you a marked improvement in the quality of life and your own incomes as I manage your missions more efficiently." Minato speaks, "We will need some sort of measure to help control you back." he said and Kisame/Leader nodded, "Yes...you will. Take Hoshigaki Kisame, my prized Knight, and keep him captured and restrained. If I do wrong by you, do with him what you will. At the end of the month I will give your missions all back to your shinobi and I will ask again what you think of my system."

>>16529040
I think this'll have to be a Kage decision at this point.
1 more question, though:
"Akatsuki holds all the contracts; what about Village-specific independent missions?"

>>16529078

"Such as what, my brother?"

He asks as Minato and Mei lean close and converse with one another hesitantly as you talk to Kisame/Leader.

"How can we be sure that the ninja you employ are used only in the manner you have put forth today?"

>>16529127

"Villages will be allowed to maintain their ANBU and use them for whatever they so desire. Contracts will be filled by our shinobi, and your agents can keep track of our movements. If I am a dishonorable man, and I am not, I know that your personal power is enough to defeat my organization."

>>16529092
"Diplomatic guard details, reconnaissance and inspection, enforcement of economic embargoes and sanctions, apprehension and termination of rogue shinobi, finally Village defense. You have taken contracts from Cloud against Leaf, Mist, and Stone. If we agree, would you protect us from yourselves, reject such contracts, or would we need to protect ourselves from you?"

I don't want to come out and say black ops and assassinations.

>>16528904
I see.
I think I am done with my questions.

I read this quest from the archives in the past 3 days or so, I am liking what I am seeing though I have some complaints:

-OP, please take a name and a tripcode. This serves two purposes: first, it is much easier to identify your posts (this is especially important when reading from archives where one usually doesn't read players posts) and two, it make searching your thread/posts on easymodo using 'advanced search' possible.

-When having a dialogue please, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, _PLEASE_ include the text you are using for the main character IN YOUR OWN POST. Even if it is just a copy-pasta from the player's post.
I think this has become my personal pet peeve regarding Quest threads. A lot of Quest authors tend to do that. While this is a minor inconvenience when reading on the PC (although it greatly breaks the flow the story), it is insufferable when reading from a mobile phone (which I tend to do a lot).
...Sigh, I keep telling this to any DM who does this. They listen, tell that they will include both sides of the dialogue and then promptly keep doing that they used to.
This is not a problem when being in quest "Live" but very annoying when reading the Archives. Please think of future potential followers!

>>16529147
-[This one is a minor complaint because it does not happen that often]
Do not forget to flavor the battles when writing:
Sometimes, you just make the battle a "comparison of numbers". What I mean, is that you give us a bunch of numbers then ask us to provide a bunch of numbers, then you do the calculation and say something like "right, he deals X damage on you. Next action?" without describing what happened.
For example: The sparring session with Guy, it seems to me that a chunk of it is missing. The moment where everyone was ecstatic due to some rolls (from the posts it seemed that Either Shimaru did great deal of damage or vice-versa.... it was confusing).

-[this one is also a minor complaint] And something that I wish you did from the beginning (meaning it is late for now):
You should have written the Quest under the presumption that people know little to nothing about the setting. Yeah, I know, who hasn't heard about Naruto?
I know I am kind of being vague and I know you provided a "source" book, but I think it is still useful to give background information steadily through-out the Quest, at least once in a while.
I only read the file today (because of the phone, I read the entire quest on the phone) and only because I was interested to find out more about the setting. A newcomer with a fleeting interest (and a bias against Naruto) would not want to read 20 pages of text before delving in.

Also, what was that you wrote in the previous thread about moving to a IRC group when you fleshed out the system. Please continue on /tg/! This is very fun to read!

>>16529136
"but your organization grows over time, when you have become powerful enough we could do nothing to challenge your will, should it change."

>>16529147
>>16529157

Other than this, this is pretty awesome Quest.
I hope you continue and improve on your writing skills!

>>16529147
>>16529157
I am always fond of constructive criticism. I will do my best to integrate your suggestions. For reference, by the way, the Guy fight was a weak moment of my attention being split from the quest where I insisted upon continuing. Also, from now and until we end here. I am OP.

>>16529171
>>16529139

>"Diplomatic guard details, reconnaissance and inspection, enforcement of economic embargoes and sanctions, apprehension and termination of rogue shinobi, finally Village defense. You have taken contracts from Cloud against Leaf, Mist, and Stone. If we agree, would you protect us from yourselves, reject such contracts, or would we need to protect ourselves from you? Your organization grows over time, when you have become powerful enough we could do nothing to challenge your will, should it change."

Kisame/Leader nods and speaks, "I will decline the requests, which are funded by shinobi not clients, to attack your villages. We will only accept neutral contracts. Anything that brings us into direct contention against the other villages will be roundly refused. As for internal affairs, as you mentioned, the ANBU division should be increased and made more active to compensate for the lack of a standing army."

>taking on Akatsuki offer
ISHYGDT

>>16529231

Thanks :)

>by the way, the Guy fight was a weak moment of my attention being split from the quest where I insisted upon continuing
Oh, okay.
I did say that it happens only seldom.

>>16529247
"How will you ensure that your organization stays faithful to its original ideals next generation? Or the next generation? Or ten generations later?
If Kisame sees you as an honest man, and since I know Kisame to be honest himself, I can trust him. But the same cannot to be said for the people who will succeed you, or other high-ranking Akatsuki members who we know nothing of.
People are greedy and strive for power, what do will you do to ensure that the organization does not become corrupt over the years? Do you have a system of checks and balances?"

"You wish to replace a system that has grown naturally over the span of centuries with an artificial one. There is no room for error in organization."

>>16529314
Good thing it is not Shimaru's choice....

...Oh God, I hope the Kages wont ask our opinion in all of this.

>>16529247
"What happens after you're gone? What assurances are there that your ideals will not collapse on themselves in the future?"

>>16529314
If you've got an in character reason not to, speak up.

>>16529247
"Do you mean you would accept contracts from non-shinobi to attack the shinobi villages? How can we accept that as peace?"

>>16529353
I don't want to bring Kisame in to this. We know his words affect the mind, we might not be able to trust his judgement on this.

>>16529367
Kages have to choose between loyalty to their respective countries and Damyos, and possible prosperity and growth for their villages.

>>16529353
>"How will you ensure that your organization stays faithful to its original ideals next generation? Or the next generation? Or ten generations later?
If Kisame sees you as an honest man, and since I know Kisame to be honest himself, I can trust him. But the same cannot to be said for the people who will succeed you, or other high-ranking Akatsuki members who we know nothing of.
People are greedy and strive for power, what do will you do to ensure that the organization does not become corrupt over the years? Do you have a system of checks and balances?"
"You wish to replace a system that has grown naturally over the span of centuries with an artificial one. There is no room for error in organization."

"I will never be succeeded." He says simply, "I am eternal. My plans is eternal, and it will never see the end." Leader says as he smiles through Kisame at you. My other Dawnbringers only are here as guardians of Akatsuki while we achieve a position of stability. Once there, they will become publicly known and watched figures. I am as unchanging as the sun, as resolved as the mountain, as faithful as the tide, and as omnipresent as the wind. I do not wish for domination, only for a world at peace."

>>16529406
>"Do you mean you would accept contracts from non-shinobi to attack the shinobi villages? How can we accept that as peace?"

"No, that was a mistake in phrasing. Your villages would be sanctuaries and all attempts to attack them will result in rapid and brutal extermination. I will not stand to have the Hidden Villages compromised by the wealthy who believe they can buy the world."

>>16529353
Be less verbose.
>>16522096

>>16529423
Sorry :(

>>16529409
Well, this starts ringing alarms. I think, he thinks he is some kind of god or something.
If he is really sincere and honest, then this is not a problem .... but is he?

Even if he does not promote it, people WILL start worshiping him and if he makes just a gentle nudge in that direction it will be hilariously easy for him to become a "living god".

Anyway, keep these thoughts to yourself, I do not think he and Kisame will appreciate it if we start questioning him as a person.

>>16529409
How does it look like the Kages are taking it?

"so much power in hands of one group is too dangerous."

also its kinda obvious they gonna try to take over world when ninja villages have no standing army. it would be like taking candy from a baby.

A question:

We seem to want to go after Orichimaru so that we can rescue the kid he kidnapped.
Where did Shimaru learn that he has the kid? I cannot seem to recall how he got that information.

>>16529314
>>16529406
>If you've got an in character reason not to, speak up.
(not the same guy but) I had dropped Naruto pretty early. Is the leader of Akatsuki lying through his teeth?

>>16529490
Minato and Mei seem to be warming up to the idea. Minato wants his village to succeed and keeping the attacking Cloud and conflict with the Sand outside of his borders is extremely appealing to him.

Mei wants the Mist to have a reputation for strength, success, and reliability, everything that Yagura ruined. Working through the Akatsuki and her promotion of it as she has sponsored you, would be extremely helpful.

"I agree with your sentiments." Mei says before extending her hand, "I Mei Terumi of Kirigakure accept your terms." Minato looks at her for a moment before extending his own hand, "I, Minato Namikaze of Konohagakure, accept your terms." Kisame shakes both of their hands and then speaks, "Thank you very much for your kindness and reasonable views. I promise you that we can achieve global peace together. Now, both of you Kages, your guards, and your spokesman here may meet me, if you so wish it. I would suggest taking Kisame away, as per our deal." Leader says as he rises, walks up to an ANBU agent and extends his hands and tongue, allowing for seals that block chakra from being moulded in his mouth to be placed as well as restraints.

>>16529504
We checked Intelligence files on Kaguya clan survivors.

Damnit guys! Why didn't we ask for Kimimaro back!

Pein could've done that for us!

I don't think we could possibly know Orochimaru has him.

>>16529502
Kind of obvious, especially from outside view and having the benefit of being genre-savvy but you gotta admit IC it seems pretty sweet deal.

>>16529544
We do. This is a think we totally know.

>>16529521
We only know that the boy was alive at the time that the Intelligence report was created. We don't know if he's alive, or his current whereabouts.
Knowing that he's in Orochimaru's hands is meta knowledge.

>>16529511
does that mean we would be out of job now?

>>16529570
Uh, no we don't. When did we find out that Orochimaru has Kimimaro? Because it wasn't in the Intelligence docket on the Kaguya Clan.
I think you're just mixing up in-character and out-of-character knowledge.

>>16529576
Not at all. You just work for Akatsuki now.

Mei rises and speaks, "Before we meet you, Leader, I demand one thing." She says and points at you, "Shimaru Yamada and all of the former Seven Swordsmen are now my ANBU, and Shimaru is a Captain." She says and Kisame laughs, "As you wish, I am not surprised to see you wanting to hold onto your favorite tool." Kisame then droops before standing up, "Was the exchange successful, kohai?" he asks as the ANBU agents seal his limbs up.

You know what we should have asked/demanded? That they give us proof that the attacks carried out by them were contracts made by third party. Like asking them for the documents they signed.
Sure, it would be breach of client confidentiality, but I think it is a good price to pay seeing that he is looking to be allied with 2 hidden villages and with the both nations by default

>>16529596
"Time will show."

Kimimaro wondered away after the Kaguya clan was slaughtered. Orochimaru found him; none of the villages have reason to know this.

>>16529596
"The Mizukage and Hokage have accepted a month of your leader's way."

>>16529596
Nod to Kisame in acknowledgement.

>>16529596
Respond to Kisame:
"We'll go along. For now."

>>16529521
Oh, can we check this?

>>16529601
>>16529618
>"Time will show."

Kisame laughs more and more as the ANBU lead him away and he calls out, "Good job, kohai! You really are an honest man!"

The woman who was sitting beside Kisame rises and speaks, "The Leader is here." As she says this six adult males all land outside the teahouse. Each of them is bald, each of them has the piercings and tattoos, and each of them wears the Akatsuki robe. One, however, wears a small circle of metal with a black cloud on it. "Good day, honored Kages. I am the Leader, but you may call me, Satori." The man says as he steps forward from his five guards. When he speaks all of them speak together as one, forming an eerie resonant effect of deep rich voices as one. "Allow me to personally thank you all for your risk taking, I understand you are going into this blind." He says and smiles, his eyes showing the same pattern of spirals as his guards have. "But let me be the first to assure you that nothing will go wrong."

Mei and Minato shake his hand and he smiles, "Ah, Shimaru Yamada. Allow me to thank you personally as well. Were it not for your bond with Hoshigaki Kisame, none of this would have been possible."

>>16529669
"I only hope that this was no mistake."

>>16529669
Just bow.

>>16529706
This.

Acknowledge his gratitude in the most polite way.
If he extends hand for a shake, do it but do not initiate the handshake yourself.

>>16529699
>"I only hope that this was no mistake."

He shakes your hand and smiles, "I assure you it won't be." With that done he spreads out his arms, "You are both wise rulers for accepting my plea for peace. Yet, there are those who refuse to accept our bid for peace, and will insist on war. I am already informed that acts are being done that will precipitate an inevitable conflict." He produces a series of scrolls, "These are missions against your villages and the Stone. You will see something in common." The bottom of each scroll is signed and sealed with the stamp of A. "As you are Akatsuki we are family now. We are brothers and sisters. If A wages his war of hatred against us, we will teach him in no uncertain terms that aggression against peaceful nations is not without consequence."

>>16529669

"I agree. This wouldn't have been possible."

Then we GUT HIM.

>>16529734
I think we should stay passive in this exchange and just observe the Kages and the Leader.

>>16529669
Bow, tighten hand around Samehada. It is not our place to question like this, it's awkward.

>>16529754
Down , Gendo!

Also, Yuki. Sans headband for this.

>>16529734
"Mizukage, your orders?"

>>16529771
Outstanding work! I love it.

>>16529760
>>16529758
As you wish.

Minato nods slowly, "Yes, Satori." He says as he looks at Mei who agrees, "If he does indeed attack us, we are ready to stand against him." Mei says as she puts on her Kage hat, "I will be sending you all our contracts, open and future, so you can handle them. Additionally all non-ANBU and non-Academy students will be sent to you, per your agreement." She says and bows, "Thank you for your time." With that she gestures for you to leave with her and the two of you walk home.

A few miles away she asks, "What do you think of him? Did I do what's right for the village?"

>>16529734
At this point, it's up to the Mizukage to decide our course of action. We'll still need to keep an eye on Akatsuki, and see what comes of this.

Oh god. Sending all the non-ANBU ninja to him. They are all going to fall under his sway.

>>16529813

"I am suspicious. 'Gods' are rarely benevolent unless they have a hell to send you to."

>>16529813
"I...hope so. He would have attacked us if we had not agreed."

>>16529813
"He is an unknown. His believes in his own transcendence; maybe like the Sage of Six Paths, maybe not. Undeniably powerful.
"As joining Akatsuki; trial-basis only. Bears watching, and talking with shinobi who go to Akatsuki, beware of mind-alteration.
"But, if everything he said is true, could be the best option for stable growth."

>>16529841
>"I am suspicious. 'Gods' are rarely benevolent unless they have a hell to send you to."

She sighs and nods, "I know. I cannot deny my reservations, but peace...to be the one who brings peace to Kiri after all these years of bloodshed. You have to understand why I did it." She explains as she walks with you. Taking off her Kage hat for a while she runs her fingers along the rim of it and mentions, "Lord Minato also agreed, so I am relieved about that. However, I cannot deny that I feel horribly defenseless without more than the ANBU we have and you Swordsmen." She said and sighed, "Oh, I will need to bring Gen into ANBU. Aya is safe, she is actually a worker in the village."

"His words are pretty, but his actions speak louder. I am not sure his ambitions will be sated merely through re-organising ninja bureaucracy."

>>16529868

Lets merely frown and not say anything- to voice more would sound like we're berating her or her choice.

Samehada feels heavy in this hand of ours...what have we let ourselves in for?

Perhaps we should suggest her increasing the ANBU corps so that we do not send everyone to Akatsuki in case that he has a way to subvert the minds of his followers.

>>16529868
Ask her what about our relations with Hidden Stone Village

>>16529899
We probably should. It's a move he'll see coming, but it's a move we should make nonetheless.

>>16529868
Look relieved and let out a breath we didn't know we were holding. "Good. Also Kaji," If we know he's ANBU don't say that, but if we don't, we need him, and badly.

>>16529899

We know he does. Soon they won't be village troops- they'll be his, and we'll just be breeding grounds for them- and helpless to stop him.

And where are we going to get new village-loyal ANBU from if they're all with him?

>>16529918
Maybe we run some of the people we're sending to him through some tests and cherry pick some promising members from that?

When asked, we just need to tell him that we'd also like to maintain our current amount of ANBU, in case something unexpected happens.

>>16529911
I wonder if we shouldn't try to check Satori's story. But we should also bring this information up with the Stone.

>>16529915
>"Good. Also Kaji,"

>>16529911

"I will be sure to include Kaji. As for the Stone." he says and looks at you, "Look, Yamada-san! An assailant threw a kunai at me. As my ANBU you are obligated to go pursue him, it looks like he's going towards the Hidden Stone Village!" She says with a wink as she turns away and puts her hat back on with a wave, "Bye bye, Yamada! Good luck catching that guy. However, if you can't, be sure to talk to the Grand-Ardent of the Stone and see what's happening."

>>16529949

Well, lets get looking for that assassin. What do we need to roll to make a detect?

>>16529960

She was being facetious. It's an excuse for us to go to Stone without Satori protesting.

>>16529949
"I'm on it!"

turn to Mei before going off and say "Stay safe".

Also, nothing about this >>16529899? Or will she come to that conclusion herself?

>>16529969

No. I'm looking for this fucking assassin.

What do we need to roll?

>>16529978
She probably will.

Mei's a smart lady.

>>16529982

New one, let's go find that assassin!

>>16529969
I am also pretty sure she wants us to report to them... or at least give them heads up.

>>16529949
We do have the slight problem of our sword and Gendo still being held back at Konohagakure, but we could make a detour to visit Konoha on the way to Iwagakure.
I suppose we'll be traveling with Minato again?

Boy is Danzo going to be glad that he founded Root now! He's probably got half the power left in Konoha at this point!

>>16529949
"Of course, Mizukage. How many should I bring with me to hunt down this...assassin?"

>>16530002
We have a Samehada for now.

Shit. I've missed like 3 or 4 threads.

Suddenly, we're talking with the leader of Akatsuki? FUUU-

Better catch up fast.