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    18 KB Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:12 No.16469748  
    Sup, /tg/

    I'm tired of reading the same old shit in cyberpunk. Let's make something different.

    I want to make a cyberpunk setting where corporations AREN'T the bad guys.

    In this setting, corporations are bastions of prosperity and lawfulness in a world run by rabid mobs of people who lie, cheat, and butcher anything that stands in their way.

    Any other ideas?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:14 No.16469773
    >>16469748
    Punk implies that society is evil. You want cyberbright, which is a word I just made up.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:14 No.16469778
    >>16469773
    Cyberbright, FUND IT
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:15 No.16469787
    The key to cyberbright is no space travel and no aliens. That makes it too close to traditional sci-fi.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:15 No.16469790
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    RonPaulPunk? RandPunk? AtlasShruggedPunk?

    What's the punk part then if the corporations are law abiding... are your players the barbarians? sounds more like "Cyberwellbehavedboyscout" or "Cyberleaveittobeaver"

    actually I'm in... just cause I like the idea of calling this setting "cyber beaver"
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:19 No.16469829
    The focus of cyberbright is the hope that humanity can band together and act as a team, while still competing with itself. I'm thinking a Reaganomic semiutopia, constantly threatened by imbalanced people who hate the system. Naturally, the player characters work for a police or security force.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:23 No.16469844
    so, demolition man
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:24 No.16469854
    >corporations are bastions of prosperity and lawfulness in a world run by rabid mobs of people who lie, cheat, and butcher anything that stands in their way.

    That doesn't make any sense.

    It's like saying "imagine a setting where the living lie in coffins all the time and the dead commute to work".
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:25 No.16469870
    >>16469844
    Except the corporations were bad in that movie.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:25 No.16469873
    >>16469844
    YES
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:26 No.16469880
    >>16469854
    Dude, that is a great idea. Wait
    We could actually, we could actually apply that to Cyberbright.
    With Robots doing a lot of the manual labor, and Humans staying in Virtual Reality "Coffins"
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:27 No.16469899
    >>16469854
    >It's like saying "imagine a setting where the living lie in coffins all the time and the dead commute to work".

    CORPSE-ERATION

    FUND IT.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:28 No.16469904
    >>16469880
    Yeah, that's hella bright.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:29 No.16469915
    >>16469880

    GENIUS!!

    what else ya got?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:30 No.16469923
    >>16469915
    Make some comment about how this wouldn't work, and make a stupid analogy. I need those to operate
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:31 No.16469936
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    'sup
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:31 No.16469942
    >>16469748
    Can we have a faction conflict of humans fighting in this scene. You know like background noise to make it seem more complex and how even the protagonists problems aren't the only issues going around?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:31 No.16469944
    Players are robot bodyguards for Taco Bell CEO.
    Rogue robot assassinates him on your watch.
    Hunt him down; analyze his memories.
    Trace virus to an old warmachine from before the Grand Treaties.
    He wants to crash VR and destroy the minds of everyone uplinked.
    Are the PCs bad enough dudes to stop him.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:31 No.16469952
    >>16469936
    Slowpoke.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:33 No.16469974
    >cyberpunk where corps aren't evil

    I didn't ask for this.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:34 No.16469983
    how about this: the world is so polluted that humanity cannot live without Coffins. The robots are used to purify the world while humanity is suspended in VRs? where they live in clean cities?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:35 No.16469998
    >>16469983
    Not bright enough. Also, where are the corporations?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:36 No.16470001
    Here is how I am saying it would work.
    The world be run by a small group of Wealthy Bankers/Major CEOs.0
    They rule through Comity, and are elected through their merit. They all have a similar goal, to bring humanity forward.
    The name of the group, is
    .
    .
    .
    .
    The Illuminati
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:37 No.16470007
    >>16470001
    Who are the PCs?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:38 No.16470028
    >>16469998
    The corporations provide coffins and robots. basically they are humanity's saviours, because without the technology the humanity is fucked,
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:39 No.16470030
    >>16470007
    Hmm.
    They are on a lower level of the Illuminati.
    They slowly raise up through the ranks, and as they gain ranks, that is how they level up, as they get access to more equipment/people.

    After that goes on long enough, switch it over to Paranoia's High Programmers game mode.
    Done
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)19:40 No.16470046
    >>16469983
    You... you just combined The Matrix with Wall-E.

    I like your style.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:10 No.16470336
    i see it as being something like some corporations are evil, some are good, and some are just trying to make a buck.

    governments aren't perfect but they aren't totally corrupt.

    there are still things like wars and terrorism, but it isn't all grimdark,

    Badguys are bad, goodguys are good, and lots of people have robotic parts
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:18 No.16470385
    >>16470336
    >and some are just trying to make a buck
    Being apathetic is sometimes worse than being bad, at least you know the guy stabbing you is going to kill you. It's the guy who just watches you bleed as the first one walks you away because he can't be assed to for some asinine reason that makes the world seem horrible because there is a lot more of them.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:42 No.16470405
    ITT: marketing tabletop games to the un-tapped market of republican gamers
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:42 No.16470406
    >>16469983
    And you play the clean-up bots. And the world isn't a barren wasteland, but a full of vibrant (deadly) life. I don't know, I like the thought of playing an ancient robot stalking about in an monumental, alien jungle, which has taken over the city.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:42 No.16470407
    This damn genre already exists. It's called post-cyberpunk, and it's growing in popularity worldwide.
    Ghost in the Shell and Dennou Coil, The Bridge Trilogy by Gibson, the Diamond Age-- cyberpunk with non-evil corps is rapidly becoming the norm, rather than exception.

    The fact our RL corps, like Google, are awesome kinda helps.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:45 No.16470463
    Oh kids, don't you know anything? -_-

    >TRANSHUMAN SPACE

    Look it up.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:49 No.16470518
    So:
    People finally have enough access to money and information that they can buy the things they want from companies whose policies they support, and also care enough to be informed. This leads to a revolution where every company begins to do it's damnedest to help people and the environment, because that's the only way to make a profit anymore. There was a time where this was faked, the arrival of groups like wiki-leaks and anonymous began hacking in an disseminating their true practice, and these companies would shut down overnight as their backers vanished. Fast forward years into the future, every company now does it's utmost to help humanity and the world.

    While corporations have gone through this forced enlightenment, many people have not. It is often the case that an executive will contact a gang to try and dig up some dirt on the competition, or invent some if need be. This is a lucrative business for the gangs, and there are huge turf wars to determine which gangs get the best jobs.

    y/n?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:51 No.16470559
    Sounds like you need some POST-cyberpunk. It's like cyberpunk except without the 80s-90s silliness.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:52 No.16470564
    Aynpunk is basically just paranoia.

    Really, the Ayn Rand would love the paranoia world. Backstabbing, strong surviving, commie hunting, Supply good, citizens evil, scaling accessibility to materials based on status.

    Really, it's perfect. Especially friend computer, he makes all things bright and chrome clean.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:55 No.16470591
    >corporations AREN'T the bad guys

    i just can't figure out how this would work in cyberpunk.

    you could chip the revolting masses into settling the fuck down and thinking that corps were a good thing, no problem, we can do most anything to rats. hard to sell that as the moral high ground though.

    maybe what you want is plain old futuristic fiction, white collars of progress versus caricatured neo-luddites?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)20:56 No.16470601
    >>16470518
    I wish to live in this world.

    These gangs would be living in such an environmentally friendly and healthy world. they were probably brought up in its greeness. I kinda imagine them as like VR-techno-Celts.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)21:00 No.16470660
    >>16470406
    Fund it!
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)21:00 No.16470663
    >Good and evil.
    >Cyberpunk.
    Pick one.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)22:12 No.16470699
    >>16470591
    Deus Ex Human Revolution just came out last month, guy.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)22:13 No.16470720
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    >>16470518
    >the arrival of groups like wiki-leaks and anonymous began hacking in an disseminating their true practice
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)22:17 No.16470763
    >>16470663
    A cyberpunk thing, totally according to the standard tropes with one exception: the corps attained their ascendant position by a deal with Satan. Babies sacrificed to dark powers at midnight on a night of the new moon, etc.

    In what way is this not cyberpunk?
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)22:19 No.16470777
    How about this - after centuries, the concept of the nation state is finally exhausted. Democratic governments have lost all credibility, their vitality having been sapped by successive generations of politicians who are either careerists toeing the party line, or plain liars who fail to keep any of their election promises, and inept civil servants hogging tenure - and taxpayer-funded index-linked pensions - making a mockery of the supposed protection offered by the "welfare state" which actually only serves to keep electors in idleness while the truly vulnerable suffer from hamfisted handling at every level. Any moral heart to government "for the people" has long since rotted away.

    Against this suffocating bureaucratic culture of universal mediocrity and naked graft, corporations are much more vivacious, dynamic, engaging, and basically competent, providing genuine opportunity for achievement. There is no more pride in dilapidated, degenerate country - people come to identify more with their employers, who are a much more real and immediate source of support, wealth, and comradeship.

    The conflict arises here: Corporations are ready to displace nations and lead mankind forward into the next era of human development - but the governments still have cultivated large client-votes, buying loyalty with bribes and bungs ("tax credits"), and are trying to jealousy and selfishly sabotage a bright future with their wretched vested interest, aided by the last greasy rind of the rancid strip of ideological socialists unable to face the evident truth that they are wrong, and mask their doubts and disenchantment with noisy, obfuscating fanaticism.

    As a member of Corporate Security, you must defend your holdings from the attacks of such groups, while also seeking to expose and finally discredit the secret machinations of the tall-poppy governments trying to pull you down.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)22:44 No.16471040
    OP, a government is already a monopolistic corporation with a good marketing department.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)22:46 No.16471063
    >>16470763
    Evil tomes have to be lovingly handcrafted by expert demonologists who love their craft and don't do it for the money. Just because they're priests of unfathomable evil doesn't mean they're consumer whores.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)22:47 No.16471080
    Basically, they're asking for a universe in which tea party republicans are objectively right. Add some things in which dark skinned people are inherently criminal and savage and you'll have covered all the bases.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 09/29/11(Thu)22:57 No.16471184
    Hmm... to expand on the VR Coffin/Robo-cleanup-gang idea, why not have the robots be sentient, and split into factions? There's one that believes the only way for the humans to survive is for the robots to adapt the humans to the new environment, while another keeps on developing terraforming-machines to make the environment good enough for humans again. Yet others say that the best way for humans to survive would be in their coffins, while another says it's a lost hope and that humans made robots to inherit the earth. Yet some say humans created robots so human minds could be transferred into robot bodies. Which one is right? Which one is wrong?
    Welcome to the robo-enlightenment era.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:01 No.16471207
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    >I want to make a cyberpunk setting where corporations AREN'T the bad guys.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:02 No.16471219
    >>16471184
    Would play.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:07 No.16471284
    >>16470777
    I like the cut of your jib!

    Also: ITT: Decent setting ideas are thrown about, butt-hurt liberals are butt-hurt.
    >> The Inquisitor With No Name 09/29/11(Thu)23:13 No.16471384
    >>16470777
    >>16471184
    is there anyway we can put these two together? The first of these two posts could be how this society came about, and the second could be its eventual end (or evolution). Also, maybe the enemy is "govvies", people who want to install a government or have been disenfranchised by the corporations one way or another.

    >>16471284
    Don't you derail this thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:14 No.16471386
    >>16470407
    >>16470591

    These. I'm imagining a cyberpunk renaissance. Might be taking it too far, but perhaps modern knighthood and chivalric codes?
    >> The Inquisitor With No Name 09/29/11(Thu)23:24 No.16471513
    >>16471386
    Like mercenaries with copyrighted ethical codes? Like where this is going.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:28 No.16471559
    >>16469748

    But this doesn't even work in real life. The most successful corporations are the ones with the most dead bodies in their walls.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:38 No.16471665
    >>16471513
    I'm having difficulty seeing the value of a copyrighted ethical code.

    As for background, perhaps a few generations back there was a great war where every great power was forced to throw down. (states as well as corps) Eventually everyone forgot why the hell they were fighting and staked a claim to some piece of hell. Eventually warborgs repurposed themselves as laborers (swords to plowshares) and the world became productive again. New corps rose from the ashes of the old ones and so far there hasn't been any reason for wholesale murder.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:39 No.16471685
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    >>16471513
    >mercenaries with copyrighted ethical codes
    GOOD GOD, FUCKING FUND IT THIS MINUTE
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:50 No.16471792
    One thing that is absolutely necessary for the success of any business is enforceability of contracts, and the rule of law.

    I'm not sure if you're going for fully idealized anarcho-capitalism or what but law is pretty crucial.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)23:58 No.16471860
    4U City arc of Sluggy Freelance.

    You're welcome.
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)00:15 No.16472030
    >>16469854

    When there is no more room in hell, the dead will commute to work.
    >> The Inquisitor With No Name 09/30/11(Fri)00:15 No.16472031
    >>16471792
    Supply. If a corporation doesn't uphold a contract, everyone else withdraws support and resources.

    >>16471665
    Copyrighted ethical codes replace religious orders. Religions would still play a role in life (see Babylon 5 if you think that's unrealistic; the creator has some pretty bangup justifications) but they would be more personal or locally based.

    Corporations would copyright ethical codes approved by shareholders (or buy the rights to another code) as a way to keep the Mercs in line. Uphold the code or lose your job. The codes also keep the image of "responsible provider" in the public's mind. If the public thinks that the guys arresting the competition are bound to a moral code, they won't paint them as total evil.
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)00:36 No.16472266
    >>16471080
    Sorry, racists=!tea party folks

    It was always about taxes.
    >> JSCervini !!L+hOixyXrvo 09/30/11(Fri)00:42 No.16472350
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    >>16472031
    You know what... I was very skeptical of the possibility of the corporations being on the ethically 'good' side of things... but this can make it work. And imagine the patent and copyright wars over these Ethical Codes... a shadow war which would provide the morally grey area to really make the conflict work.

    Fucking fund this!
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)00:44 No.16472377
    Someone failed to get Cyberpunk.
    >> Russ 09/30/11(Fri)00:44 No.16472378
    >>16469748
    >>16469790

    I don't have that image macro of the little girl vomiting, but I'd like you to know that if I had it, I'd post it.
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)00:47 No.16472417
    >>16472266

    Bullshit. It was about religion. Why support big government when big government pays for abortions and teaches evolution, and the juice send the military into silly places for profit?

    Tea Party these days isn't about anything other than people bitching about the government. They're the new hippies. Lots of noise, fuck all substance.
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)00:50 No.16472451
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    >>16472378
    >he doesn't have thousands of Madotsuki reaction images readily available

    ...Probably for the best
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)01:13 No.16472631
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    >>16470407

    >Ghost in the Shell.
    >post-cyberpunk
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)03:49 No.16473806
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    >>16470407

    >The fact our RL corps, like Google, are awesome kinda helps.

    Someone lives in blissful ignorance.
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)09:56 No.16475069
    >>16472031
    I like where you're going, but having everything agreed upon like organized crime without having some hegemon is not exactly stable. But then I suppose the PCs could be tasked with protecting the whole house of cards.

    I still need you to flesh out this copywritten code of ethics some more. What stops a person from adhering to the code if they are not "impersonating." In a modern sense, what stops some beach dwelling guitar douche from playing copywritten music around a fire?

    I see false flags, false flags everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)18:06 No.16477716
    op still around?
    >> Actually... Anonymous 09/30/11(Fri)18:47 No.16477786
    I can think of two settings that could be modified and refocused to fit the OP's requirements.

    First if Sector General by James White. It's an old fairly positive SF. Most everyone is pretty damn enlightened. Species are co-operating, etc.

    However there are people who insist on living au natural. They are not civilized. They segregate themselves. They actually have wars, and when they war they are given an entire planet to war on.

    Modify it a bit, refocus on on the Naturals, and expand their influence, and you might have a setting.


    Second setting is the Chalice Cycle by Howard L. Myers. It can be found in the compilation book "Creatures of Man"

    Rather Sci Fi, Humanity struggles in an economy war. Should either side win the war, both sides loose. Humans must remain competitive, and competing, or we backslide.

    Thus, Corporations are extraordinarily important in the setting, to the point where they own entire solar systems.

    Most people don't fight physically, yet there is always a call for brutes in the corporations for when industrial espionage gets violent.



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