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>>16192679
I, for one, would like to see the Mountain vs a group of soldiers.

>>16192860
In John's absense I'm happy to run something small that's not Sulla related, that saga's his. If you gimme some stats I'll run things. I need to practice some more so I can set up to DM a campaign.

>>16193025
I wouldn't mind seeing a knife fight, or some ranged combat, but since this seems pretty inactive it might be better to wait for a bigger audience.

I want to see a gorilla with a flail

>>16193241
Fernando breaking free from the Illuminati!

I would love to use this oportunity to ask how the combat system works. I just don't get it. Specifically: How do you determin each player TN for attack rolls? How do maneuvers work? And more important, how the fuck we do missle/ranged combat?

>>16193302
I can answer the first one (yay for easy questions!). I'm feeling too brain-dead for the rest.
the attack TN depends on the weapon, each weapons has its set of ATNs. often a weapon has one for cut/bashes and one for thrusts, but some weapons are more limited and might lack one of them.

>>16193357
Is there something like a combat guide? The book is poorly organized and terrible to understand and I can't find a fan-made guide for easier understandment

>>16193302

google "real time combat riddle of steeL"

read it

>>16193395
amen to that

I've just managed to get my D&D group willing to try RoS on the conditions that

1. I GM the game
2. We convert our D&D characters over and maintain the same general setting, but with less magic
3. As part of 2, find a way to scale back the power and drawbacks of magic for use by magic user and cleric characters (which is likely the most difficult)

So I am excited to finally play a RoS game, but there is some work to do and I'm open to any suggestions for character conversion or retooled magic system. I'm already using the alternate sorcery rules as a base, found here:

http://www.lemuria.org/tros/AlternateSorcery-1.3.pdf


Failing all else I would be up for an arena, maybe one between two namefags, refereed by a third, or just controlled by mob rule like John Galt's.

>>16193491
Converting the rules for magic in RoS sort of defeats the whole point they exist. Magic is meant to be as gritty as the rest of the setting, fucking with it just destroys the underlying theme of the whole thing.

I mean, if that's what you guys want, then go for it, but you're missing out on the whole point.

I have a question. Say combatant A is fighting combatant B and C. If A throws white and B and C throw red, and without a terrain roll to fight only one, what happens with initiative if A blocks B but fails to parry C? Would he have initiative over B and not C? That is to say he could attack B without buying initiative, but would have to defend against C (simultaneous block/strike)? Would we check for initiative as in red/red to see who goes first between A and C?

>>16193505

Does anyone actually use the assumed setting? It's really the least organized part of the book, and that's saying something.

I don't intend to make using magic for trivial task a good idea, I plan to keep the aging mechanic, but reduce it's severity, as well as reduce the power of magic, so that it can be used in combat. The former might be accomplished simply by changing the scale, from months to weeks perhaps; the latter maybe not so easily.

>>16193491
I'm not all that familiar with the magic rule in RoS, but I was under the impression that they were reasonably well balanced. What exactly don't your players like about the system?

>>16193536
I believe that would go C, A, B, because C succeeded against A and A succeeded against B.

and the core book for tRoS is terrible, an donce we have a decent scan of it I want to go through and dismantle it, combine the still current bits with the revised rules and make it comprehensible, although it would be a massive project it would be far better to have all the rules in one organised and bookmarked PDF.

>>16193583

A beginning sorcery character can deal a level 5 wound to an average (TO 4) man in Plate armor. Said character then ages and loses 10% of his remaining lifespan.

Also sorcery, like missile combat is nearly impossible while melee combat is going on. To loose an arrow, on must first prepare (4 rounds, or 8 exchanges), Aim (1 or more rounds depending on proficiency and aim stat; If not using Flower of Battle the better you are with the bow, the longer it takes to fill your dice pool), then finally loose the arrow. Sorcery takes 1 second (1 exchange) per CTN (casting target number) so the only spells that can be cast in a round are those with a CTN of 2, which as you may suspect, are pretty weak magic.

So while it could work from a swords and sorcery, magic is evil, standpoint (but still doesn't really), it doesn't work for a low fantasy game which is what I have in mind.

>>16193638

Is that just personal opinion or supported by the books? Either way, I like that interpretation because it further highlights how dangerous even two drunken thugs can be to a skilled warrior if they managed to gang up on him.

>>16193583

The sorcery system was tacked on after the game was made. They dont mesh with the rest of the game and only vaguely use the same ruleset. The sorcery rules are to ros what the grappling ruels were to ad&d.

How old is ROS?

>>16193796

From 2002.

>>16193756
Personal opinion, because although it's not stated in the book as far as I know, it does make sense based on the initiative system as I understand it. I'll have another flick through the rules to see if they clarify it anywhere, but I'm not sure that they do...

and I like how sorcery is handled in tRoS, although if you're playing a magicspam game then it does nerf the sorcerers somewhat, however I have similar issues with the ranged combat, it can sometimes feel protracted and stiff.

That said it is unbelieveably satisfying to hit someone in the face with a bolt from an Arbalest and laugh at their silly plate armour.

>>16193302
each weapon has a Target Number for either cut/bash or stab, depending on the intended design (Spears are good for stabbing, so their Stab number is lower than their bash number)

Maneuvers cost dice from the Combat Pool (so you can roll fewer dice that round) but provide an unusual action (block AND hit, or beat the enemy's shield out of the way so they can't use it next round.) There are also simple maneuvers like Cut and Thrust which are just used to formalise the combat system by always using a maneuver.

Missile combat (Pre-Flower of Battle) starts by emptying your Missile pool, then letting it fill up by your Wit value each second. The longer you take aiming the more dice you can roll, and therefore the more chance of success.

>>16193915
I explained the first bit badly, they have a Cut/Bash number and a Stab number, and a defence number.

>>16193906

I'm not looking for a magicspam game so much as I want magic to be more on equal footing with melee, in terms of power, risk, and most importantly, usability in combat. I'm imagining it somewhat like an old game, Fantasy Wargaming. I like how it handled magic, or at least how I think it intended magic to be handled. It's (lack of) editing and (nonexistent) clarity puts RoS to shame.

>>16194003
But magic is like mechanics, you have to be prepared.

I like the way you can do almost anything if you take the time to set it up. Especially trapping a spell in an object. THAT is how magic items should always work.

>>16194003
for making ranged and magic attacks usable in combat timing wise ask for a timing (same as a terrain) roll. judge the difficulty of achieving the task and determine how many variable length rounds it takes for whatever to happen.

>>16194063
there's people just using a cinematic approach, and giving a turn to magic and shooting whenever there is a pause in the combat.

>>16193536

The correct answer is the following exchange goes C, A, B, but A just failed to parry C last exchange, so he's probably bleeding from the head, short 1/2 his CP, and won't live to see his turn.

>>16194063
>>16194086
There are rules for a hurried shot (draw-loose in a single round) but even then it's not exactly sensible to bring a bow when everyone else has an axe, which is why most real-world archers carry a dagger.

In the RoS world, magic is time consuming, so again it's right that you can't use it quickly. You can stand on the edge, letting your buddies soak up attacks for however many rounds it takes you to cast that acceleration spell, but you won't be able to deflect a sword unless you locked some constant spell into your amulet.

I just want to address one thing from the previous thread.

>to that, you add the margin of success of your attack (fun fact: since you need at least one success more than the defense to actually hit, your MoS will always be at least 1)

This isn't actually the case. ROS' margin system is weird this way. Say your opponent rolls 6 successes. If you roll 6 successes, your opponent wins the roll, because all yours are negated by his. If you roll 7, that's basic success. You don't actually have a margin in this case, and would roll your straight damage at +0. It's dice PAST basic success, an 8th, 9th, 10th or further success in this case, that add to your margin.

TL;DR: You can have a margin of success of zero, and your margin of success is actually (Difference between successful roll and failing roll) - 1.

>>16194551
can you confirm that? reading from the pdf: loser's successes are subtracted from the winner, leaving the winner with the margin of success.
it's enterly possible that in an other section it says otherwise, and this has already cropped up... where is an editor when you need one?

>>16194639
>>16194551
draws are a Seschenal's discretion.

You can score a strength 0 wound (useful against long weapons) which means you made contact but didn't injure them.

>>16194639
>>16194551
Yeeeah, that was something that John Galt mentioned in another thread, and I think that might actually be another case where Galt doesn't quite get the rules, much like with the order of events in a round. The example of combat on page 80 *clearly* shows that your margin is directly equal to the difference between winner and loser.

>>16194670
still me.

Page 81 of the Core rules says combat has a basic contested roll, (winner successes - loser successes = margin)

>>16194717
...I just read it myself. You're right. DAMMIT, John!

Is there any rule covering fighting creatures? Specifically, I want to include a brown bear as a enemy in my next Riddle of Steel game, but not familiar with the whole book. Where can i find rules for combat vs non-humanoids.

also: how /tg/ stats a bear on TROS?

>>16194748
There's a supplement called Of Men And Beasts or thereabouts that has creature rules, including a bear. They're like TO 8, Strength somewhere in the double digits.

>>16194748
we had the stats of a bear with a pollaxe in the last thread.
something like 14 cp with str 12(+3). and a passion of 6 toward Fernando.

the common bear is in of beasts and men...

>>16194748
Of Beasts and Men expansion book.

I'll look up some stuff, but I'd give a bear pretty much the same zones as a human, assuming it's reared up.

>>16194731

Bear stats from the Beasts and Men book.

There are many different types of bear. The following
is a sample set of statistics for an average to
large sized one.Wise riddle seekers will run the other
way when confronted by an angry bear.
Statistics:
ST 12 WP 3 Ref 6
AG 7 Wit 5
TO 8 MA 2 KD 9
EN 6 Soc 1 KO 9
HT 6 Per 4 Move10/20
Combat Proficiency: 8, CP 14
Notes: Bears favor claw attacks and constricting “hug”
attacks. They are vegetarians (except fish), and will not attack
through hunger, but may do so if they feel threatened or
if goaded or in pain. Bear attacks are considered to have a
range of long, but they suffer no penalty for a shorter range.

>>16194793
Does it cover less realistic creatures, let's say, a velociraptor, an centaur or a giant insect like thing?

>>16194840
has legendary creatures (cockatrice springs to mind, and sphinx)
You might be able to expand from horses or such.

>>16194840
How you'd stat the typical cow-sized spider?

>>16195093
not who you linked to, but I'd go for high reflex, low strength and toughness, but venom.

>>16193581
>>16193739
Flower of Battle has better rules for missile combat, for one.

For another, magic in RoS is powerful. Like, really, really powerful. If you're using it to just blast a guy in combat, you're wasting the talent.

And that's why magic is so hard and time consuming. A good mage can fuck up basically anything he's up against, so long as he knows what he's doing and comes prepared. It doesn't so much have to do with the setting as it has to do with the goal: magic is powerful, but dangerous.

>>16193789
The magic's really good if you've got a player who can use it well. The problem is if you approach RoS's magic like a traditional fantasy game uses magic, and then get your character killed. Can't do that.

>>16194800
>>16194793
Fuck, when I hear about Of Beasts and Men all I can think about is the damn Trolls.

>>16192679
>rapier camels

Admit it, you read that first as "raping camels", didn't you?

>>16195300
so, while the other characters are hitting people with sticks, you're playing mage: the awakening.

>>16192679
rapier would own if he just evaded the initial Beat.

>>16195423
or becoming a lich and wielding a claymore.

>claymore lich
addmittedly that's cool.
BUT, even with just the published spells, you can get armor that is impossible to pass. with minimal thinkering, you get an extreme cp as well.
Not so cool.

>>16195543
10s can be rolled again and added.
10+3 for example beats TN 13

>>16195576

really?
so if I was rolling to cut, 6 dice at TN7, if I rolled 8,3,5,2,6,10 then I would add the 10 and roll another dice? or is that just for magic?

>>16195638
it's for numbers over 10.
If your TN was 11 then you'd roll again, otherwise a success is a success, the actual number over 7 doesn't matter.

>>16195638
You could roll another die and add it to the 10 to get some higher number, but since you're already over 7 there'd be no point. Only needs doing with a TN of 12 or higher, since for eleven you're guaranteed success on a roll of 10.

>>16195674
>>16195676

Ah it makes sense now.
so does anyone fancy running a quick combat? got any combatant ideas that you think would be fun?

cmon people gimme some practice, it's for your benefit and not mine!

>>16195704
How about an armored guy with just a knife vs an unarmored guy with... something big, your choice.

>>16195704
This guy.

>>16195704
Bear vs Bob from accounting.
Bear stats are in thread, Bob's are as follows (reading down the character sheet):
Temporal: 7, 4, 7, 4, 4
Mental: 4, 3, 3, 3, 5

Bob wields a Claymore with Greatsword proficiency 9.

>>16195767
I didn't realize Bob from Accounting was such a badass.

>>16195786
he's been on sabbatical.

He's also 5'11"

so we want to run Bueno vs Bob yes?
ok, we can do this. I'll repost the bear's stats and Bob's.

if you wanna run something else, now is the time to say.

>>16195767
oh, his armor is leather trunks, boots and hardened vambraces.
Accuracy gift (minor)
Beserk flaw (major)

Claymore (2h): long, Cut ATN 6, St+3, Stab ATN 8, St+1, DTN 7

>>16195767

So that's
ST 7 AG 4 TO 7 EN 4 HT 4
WP 4 Wit 3 MA 3 Soc 3 Per 5
Ref 3 Aim 4 KD 5 KO 9 MV 7
Proficiency: Greatsword/Longsword 9
CP with Claymore 13

Equipment: Claymore (2h), leather trunks, boots, vambraces

right?

>>16195953
perfect.

Bueno
ST 12 , AG 7, TO 8, EN 6, HT 6
WP 3, Wit 5, MA 2, Soc 1, Per 4
Ref 6, KD 9, KO 9, Move10/20
Combat Proficiency: 8
Proficiency Poleaxe: 6
CP 14
Halberd (2h): long, Cut ATN 7, Stab ATN 8, DTN 8, St+3c, St+1p, +1 damage against all forms of armor.
+1+X Shock (X=Dam Level).

and my brain has just farted, Proficiency is what they need to roll to hit with that weapon yes? or is that the ATN? if so then what is Proficiency for? bleb bleb bleb...

>>16196018
Proficiency+reflex is the number of dice they roll, ATn is the number they need to hit when attacking, DTN when defending.

>>16196018
Proficiency + Reflex is how you calculate your Combat Pool (how many dice you got), the ATN on the weapon dictates how high you need a die to roll for a success (when attacking), the DTN does the same, but for defense.

Bring on the bear; I wore my fightin' tie today

>>16196018
so using the poleaxe to cut, Bueno rolls 12 dice with TN 7.
The combat pool listed is for unarmed Bueno.

>>16196033
Thank you good sir!
which makes Bueno's Halberd Proficiency 8, because we were using a CP of 14 for him last time and I'm damned if I'm not consistent.

ok let's get this thing rolling!

>>16196018
what's 3c and 1p?

>>16196065
it's ST+3C and ST+1p (strength+3 cutting damage or strength+1 piercing). It's more hacky than pokey.

The way I see it, Bob's got one less CP but 2 lower ATN with that Claymore, so he's going to want to fuck up that bear's ability to bring the weapon to bear in a hurry. Start by throwing white (defense), and go for Expulsion when Bueno makes his starting attack.

What do you think, gentlemen?

Bueno entered the sleek stone bulding through the back door, quickly ascending a wide staircase which was set out in a strange squared off spiral, with straight flights of stairs leading to flat landings and another flight of stairs facing in the opposite direction. Bueno bounded up the flights regardless, his movements on all fours a near blur.

His mind was focused upon one thing, Fernando. Ever sincew his beloved simian lover had been kidnapped during his fight with the Camels he had been searching franticly for the ones behind this conspiracy. So far his investigations had been fraught with disappointment, however his latest lead had brought him here, to the offices of Ill,Umin&Ati, a non-descript merchanting company of questionable repute.

His first obstacle presented itself as a man, a well dressed human in leather trunks, boots and a business shirt and blazer pushed his way through a door on the way above him, speaking into what appeared to be a magic shell of some sorts, hooked onto his ear with a strange black device. In his hands he held a clipboard covered in notes, but it was the claymore strapped across his back that caught Bueno's attention.

"Yeah, send those P112s over to Jill in HR, I'm sure she can find someone who we need to let go" The man said, turning to walk down the stairs when he spotted Bueno. "Send a janitor to east stairwell Mike, I'm going to have to call you back" he said to thin air once more, pulling the strange device from his ear and tossing it to the ground. "You sir!" he cried, pointing at Bueno, "You are an intruder and as such I must take your life!"

The man proceeded to rip off his shirt and jacket, revealing a pair of vambraces strapped to his arms. "I am Bob, of the Accounting Department, I don't expect you to tell me your name you curr, I shall kill you before you speak!" He declared, pulling his sword from his back and preparing to strike.

>>16196158
I retract my premature rolls and support this.

Ok people, Bob is going Red, and your weapon is not yet drawn, which I believe is 2 CP to do so. Decide you actions!

>>16196203
he's not beserk quite yet, he needs to take a wound first.

I support the wait and counter approach.

Scannon here. Haven't had any time to scan more of the core rulebook since last night. The general synopsis was to skip over the section on magic.

I'm out on the piss tomorrow too.

Any news about John?

>>16196203
wait, are we Bob or Bueno?

If Bueno, we go Red. Red as the pounding blood in our hearts, burning for Fernando.

>>16196225
Halberd DTN is 8, range is the same. Best course of action here is to cleave the pencilnecked bean-counter in twain as soon as ursinely possible. We also happen to be faster than the twerp.

>>16196225
hmm, yes I missed that chunk of converstation wgile typing

do you people want to decide for Bob or Bueno? or both?
if you want both or just Bob then ok, I take it he's going White? making Bueno Red?

>>16196229
We're both I think...

>>16196228
There's already a revised Sorcery rules PDF better than could be scanned, so I'd say skip.

>>16196254
Bueno could go White even if Bob goes White as well.
Hell, they can both go Red.

Dual Red sounds good, enraged bear vs Berserk accountant seems like they'd just wail on each other.

Bob throws white, Bueno throws red.

Ok, so Bueno goes Red with a cut? you have 12 dice, pick a zone and however many dice you want, your ATN is 7

and Bob I assume is blocking, you have 13 dice, and your DTN is7

>>16196287
Bob's smart enough to know he isn't fast. White is a good option for him. In red/red he's going to lose initiative and have no dice to defend with. And die. Which may be fun to read, but is tactically unsound

Bueno declares red with aggressive stance. The 2 CP from the aggressive stance will pay the activation cost of the beat, so devote 9 dice to the attack.

>>16196299
I suggest 9 dice, leaving 4 to counter-attack.

>>16196305
Bob goes white with defensive stance. Stance pays for activation of Expulsion. Bob spends 10 on it, leaving 2 for a follow-up (hopefully he kills Bueno's remaining CP with excess successes here)

>>16196328
sorry, leaving 3.

>>16196328
I'll bow to superior skill.

Don't forget WP/15 roll to ignore mortal wounds.

>>16193395
I hope this helps.
http://erdtman.com/story-games/the-riddle-of-steel/inc/combat-check-list.pdf

ok, so we need a 9 at 7 for Bueno and a 10 at 9 for Bob.
Roll 'em!

rolled 6, 6, 9, 3, 1, 4, 5, 10, 8 = 52

9 at 7 to cut Bob

rolled 1, 3, 1, 3, 3, 2, 5, 5, 3 = 26

>>16196355
Rolling for Bueno, the bastard.

rolled 8, 8, 5, 5, 2, 8, 4, 7, 7, 1 = 55

>>16196355

>>16196355
Claymore's DTN is 7, not 9. Expulsion's cost is to the dice pool, not the TN. 10 at 7.

>>16196370
my naturally low rolls became useful!
but Bueno beat me to it.

>>16196370

I rather suspect you a cheating sir! Regardless, three successes.

>>16196367

>>16196367
3 successes

>>16196379
5 successes

Bob smacks the halberd away! Bueno suffers a -2 CP penalty on the next exchange. Initiative goes to Bob!

rolled 8, 8, 3, 7, 1, 3, 5, 2, 1, 1 = 39

>>16196355

rolling 10 at 7

>>16196390
yeah, sorry about that. my brain isn't on full power today

>>16196367
So it's 3 successes for Bueno
>>
and 5 successes for Bob!

Bueno drew his Halberd and lunged for the now shirtless 'Bob', his weapon flashing down in a terrible strike! But Bob effortlessly brought his sword up to meet Bueno's strike, knocking the polearm away with his blade.

ok, so, next exchange! Bueno has 3 dice, Bob has 3 dice!

>>16196412
simple cut? maybe a beat (free to Bob) but would that carry?

>>16196433
Yeah, let's just take a swipe at the guy; might get lucky.

>>16196433

Can't beat after the first exchange except immediately after a pause. Cut with all 3 dice to zone V (downward to head), ATN 6.

That expulsion should have reduced Bueno to 1 die, or if he couldn't expell for some reason, he'd have 5 dice left over (from the bonus CP for that defense he opened with), in which case cut with 5 to zone V at ATN 6

>>16196412
fuck yes he does. tonight is not such a good night, maybe after 2 or 3 rounds I'll leave you guys to it.

Bueno has 1, Bob has 3 and the initiative.

>>16196450

ref says Bob 3, Bueno 1, so 3-dice cut at zone V at ATN 6 is my call.

Bueno can't use the halberd due to Expulsion but its DTN ate butt anyway, so partial evasion 1 die at DTN 7?

Huh. How come someone's combed through the RoS threads in the archives just to downvote them? That's a lot of effort for simple buttmad.

>>16196412

Expulsion can't be used on cut attacks with more than 4 dice

>>16196463

Bueno should have 14+2 (aggressive stance) -9 (cut) -2 (illegal expulsion) = 5 dice remaining.

>>16196476
I'm down with letting it stand. If we second and triple-guess the ref every exchange, this is going to take a week.

Perhaps it's the buttmad mod?

>>16196500
14 + 2 (stance) - 2 (ready weapon) - 2 (activate beat) - 9 (CP spent on failed beat) - 2 (illegal expulsion) = 1 die

>>16196450

It should either be Bob at 3 against Bueno at 5 or, more correctly, the expulsion was a simple parry and Bob at 5 and Bueno at 7.

>>16196521

If bueno had to ready weapon, so did Bob. No matter how you slice it, Bueno has 2 more Dice than Bob.

rolled 5, 3, 10 = 18

>>16196539
3 at 6 for Bob, cut to V

rolled 5, 5, 1, 3, 9 = 23

>>16196525
say 5/6 vs 7/7.

rolled 1, 6 = 7

>>16196550
how bout 2 more to roll all 5?

>>16196476
He's right.
Fuck I should know this shit.

>>16196534
and the setup had Bob ready but Bueno not, therefor Bob didn't need to ready weapon.

We need a referee with a strong grasp of the rules who can take charge and make the calls, as well as change them when he is wrong. Basically, we need John Galt.

>>16196590
John's had his face palmed a few times in recent threads, too. Cut Kzyrgis some slack; this is how we learn.

>>16196590
or we accept referees have to start somewhere and let the guy who stepped up be ref.

For the record, I'm not rolling anymore because MY GOD THOSE NUMBERS!

>>16196556
ok 1 success for Bob

and Bueno still needs to roll his 3 at 7

>>16196587

Ok assuming Beuno, for whatever reason, chose to stand there as bob ripped his clothes and drew his sword, he still should have 5 dice to Bobs 5 dice (or 3 and 3 if we let expulsion stand). Either way it works out the same because Beuno will be performing a partial evasion against Bob's cut at zone V

>>16196550

>>16196590

I'm the one calling him out, but that doesn't mean he's not capable of this. if I recall he judged the original Beuno fight, right?

>>16196629
you're forgetting the Beat activation of 2

>>16196624

Partial evasion.

rolled 2, 4, 1 = 7

forgot dice

rolled 3, 6, 4 = 13

Hmm, beuno supporters should have let expulsion stand, the penalty wouldn't affect us because it only works if the opponent declares a thrust....

rolled 10 = 10

>>16196667
ok I'm not sure of the rules on Partial Evasion, because I can't find it under manouvres. can someone point me there?

but even so, I don't think
>>16196680
had any successes, so Bueno takes a Strength 10 hit to Zone V

rolled 4 = 4

>>16196725

Rolling location

rolled 2 = 2

sorry, 1d6

>>16196737
you rolled the correct dice first so we'll use yours,

It's a Level 2 wound to the Upper Head

BL:3
S:7
P:8-WP
"Dizziness, bleeding, may lose conciousness (+1 to roll)"

>>16196775

Are you using the cutting damage table?

I have:

Level 2 wound to Head (lower) including face
BL 2
S 8
P 5-WP
Nasty teeth, cheek or nose slash that will leave long term effects.

>>16196809
yes I am, I just used my roll instead of his :@

ok, so this is going pretty badly from me, and if I keep going I'll probably piss you all off. So please, continue the combat if you wish, you have a decent grasp of the rules, I'm going to bed before I claim Bob takes flight or something :@

either way bob still has inititive and bueno loses dice right? so we can end this now! 13 dice thrust to groin! BEAR TESTICLES!

>>16196836
For the record, I think you did pretty well for a 4chan encounter.

>>16196840
this zone, cutting

>>16196836

No, we need a referee and other than John Galt you are the only other namefag constantly in these threads.

>>16196836
You started this, you can damned well end it. NEW ROUNDO.

I'm rather partial to the full-dice-to cut at zone VI (upward at crotch) gambit, while the bear's short on dice from the 8 shock.

>>16196840
if we ignore my idiocy and use the 4 then Bueno loses 2 dice and Bob has the initiative.

However I don't think Bob has changed his stance, so he has -2 to attacking, but it's ok because if Bueno hasn't changed his stance then he has -2 to defend.

so 11 dice on bear testes?
how does Bueno respond? you have 10 dice.

>>16196864

thrust are more likely to hit testicles than cuts

Thrust!

>>16196874
I seem to recall that the stance only affects the first exchange until another pause, but can't find the page reference quick enough for my satisfaction.

>>16196874

Stances are only in effect on the first exchange of combat, unless there is a pause. Basically only when declaring red/white. But Beuno will declare a full evasion with all his dice.

>>16196876
more likely successes with cuts, and +2 relative power.
Even if we miss the nuts we'll take a leg.

>>16196891
full evasion is our only path to Fernando. We must survive to tell him of our love!

>>16196866
only problem with this is that you can only cut at zones 1-7, zones 8-14 are thrusts only

and a thrust is twice as likely to hit groin than a cut is to hit hip.

>>16196874
>>16196886
>>16196891
>>16196895

fine we cut. but with how many dice?

>>16196918
All of them. (13 by my reckoning, 11 if the stance still holds)

THIS ACCOUNT'S GETTING BALANCED RIGHT THE HELL NOW.

>>16196918
all of them.

Cut upwards with all dice.
someone else roll

>>16196910

so we should thrust still? I need bear testicle carnage!

Sounds like it's a cut, do you want upper leg or lower body?

and it's 13 dice, as with a quick check the elegan/tg/entlemen are correct, the stance only matters 1st round

Awaiting Kzyr's confirmation of how many dice Bob and Bueno have before rolling (Bob's cut at ATN 6, Bueno's Full Evasion at DTN 4 to force a full pause).

rolled 9, 1, 5, 1, 10, 8, 6, 6, 8, 10, 9 = 73

>>16196874

Testicles!

rolled 6, 6, 9, 1, 5, 10 = 37

>>16196970
8?!? Rolling Bueno's 6 at 4 to mitigate the rape.

rolled 9, 4, 1, 6, 1, 1, 6, 8, 4, 6, 2, 2 = 50

>>16196964

Alright then

>>16196970
>>16196981
8 to 5
Margin 3 to Bob.
(What happens next?)

So it's 13 against 12, am I correct?

rolled 4 = 4

>>16196997

bob's ST is 7, claymore is ST+2 for cut, so 7+2+3 damage against Bueno's TO of 8. Severity 4 hit to zone Vi, 1d6 for location

>>16196981

I thought we got 10 dice? Or was that due to stance?

rolled 6 = 6

>>16196970
Bob has 8 successes!
>>
and Bueno has 5!

MoS of 2, so it's a strength 12 to Zone III

>>16197027
looks like a new coat for Bob from accounting.

>>16197027

Level 4 would to groin. Instant unconsciousness.

rolled 6 = 6

Never fuck with Accounting.

rolled 1 = 1

>>16197027
(it's VI then)
you rolled first, making it a level 4 wound to the groin!

BL:18
S:All
P:All
"Instant loss of conciousness. The damage is real real bad."

>>16197079
Rather than finish Bueno off, we send him down to the infirmary for a tax write-off.

Well that's the curious romance of Bueno and Fernando over now. At least Bob will get a lovely new carpet though.

Fuck it. I will become a namefag for RoS threads. Not for Fech/tg/uy threads though.

rolled 7, 10, 6, 4, 5 = 32

>>16197079
rolling Bob's perception against Scrounging 6 to skin the carcass.

>>16197100
does he have Scrounging as a skill?
actually never mind, he hit the Default for it anyway.
Bob has a lovely new rug, and Scruffy the janitor has an even bigger mess to clean up.

Poor, poor Fernando.

>>16197134
mine does.
Warrior and Bounty hunter packets.

I think that's appropriate for an accountant.

ok people, I have to be awake in 5 hours, so I'll see you all tomorrow, have fun...

What happens to Fernando?

Thank you, Kzyrgis. You've emboldened me to maybe take up the namefag banner and try to run one of these myself!

I am proud of you, brothers. Particularly you, Kzyrgis, you stepped up to the plate like a champ and ran a bear battle. I can't even believe what I'm reading here. You guys are coming into your own just as I hoped /tg/ someday would when I first started spreading the good word of Steel.

Also, for those concerned in the last thread, I'm almost positive that I wasn't banned for anything I did, since the reason was Ban Evasion, which I haven't done.
Well I mean now I have, obviously. In a manner of speaking anyway, I'm at a library. Unfortunately the house I'm staying at doesn't have the fun kind of router that you can just shift addresses with, the odds are my nephews just got themselves banned and I'm catching the backlash of it.

Anyway I'll be back in the civilized world early tomorrow, and God willing, nothing will interfere with my holy work this time.

I wish people would get this excited about Burning Wheel.

I'm glad you guys have a decent /tg/ following now, though.

>>16197911
proxyhttp.net
Choose any one.
In firefox, go options>advanced>network>connexion>parameters>manual configuration of the proxy
Enter the IP and the port of your choice on the list, try if it works on 4chan (most are too slow or banned from 4chan, but a few will work). I'm not sure if you need to configure your router to allow a new port (the 80s may work less often than the others).
I'm sure there's better methods to use a proxy, though.

On another note, namefagging with a proxy during your ban might earn you a longer ban for ban evasion.

Also, how does a mod know about a ban evasion without a name or a trip ?

>>16197330 What happens to Fernando?

He must have vengeance for his murdered love!

I think there's stats for an ape in the monster manual.

>>16198431
This.

I want to see a case-of-rapiers wielding orangutan taking out his vengeance against accounting men, leaving a trail of blood on its path from one office building to the next. Kill Bob !

Fernando

ST 8 WP 5 Ref 7
AG 9 Wit 5
TO 5 MA 3 KD 8
EN 6 Soc 3 KO 7
HT 5 Per 6 Move 11
Combat Proficiency Case of Rapiers: 6, CP 13
Relevant SAs
Passion (Bueno) 5
Drive (Avenge Bueno) 3
Destiny (Kill Bob) 3

>>16198756

Maybe Passion (hatred of accountants) 2 as well

>>16198756
>Gorilla Statistics:
ST 12 WP 5 Ref 7
AG 9 Wit 5
TO 7 MA 4 KD 10
EN 6 Soc 4 KO 9
HT 5 Per 6 Move13
Combat Proficiency: 6, CP 13.

Based on this, I think an adult male orangutan should have something like
ST 10 Ref 8 AG 10 EN 8
because as a much more arboreal ape, it has to be more agile and able to provide longer efforts, more often than a gorilla.
Also, why lower the MA and Soc of fernando ?

>>16198982
Looking more closely at Of Beasts And Men, stuff seems off.
A dog has Soc 3, an academic has 2-3, a wolf has 1, a great ape has 4...

I know there's a revised version of the missile rules, but also heard there's some revision of the skills. Where does one find this? I'd like to compare against the core rules before getting too deep into this system.

>>16198982

oBaM is seems off. Apes are smart, but giving them the MA and Soc of an average human seems too much. On top of that, I guess I've kind of pictured Fernando as a little bit passive and weak, relying on Bueno for his protection, making him less capable than average. This however is the perfect opportunity to see how SAs can turn a weak combatant into a monster.

>>16199504

The Riddle of Steel Companion.

>>16200660

Thanks. I'm brewing up the skeleton of a scenario to run later tonight with you guys that may involve more skill use than I'm currently comfortable with

>>16200830

Oh? When do you plan on doing that?

>>16200887
Give me about an hour to get home and pop a brew open. Nothing so outlandish as polearm-wielding quadrupeds, but an opportunity to work with a character that's out of his element.

>>16200887

Ok, started up over at >>16201448