3.5 is horribly broken. We get it.

It's not broken, it's "rewarding mastery of the system"!

The BOVD and the BOED were both regarded as slightly broken and really shouldn't be used by anyone

do want

I am now imagining a wizard with 900 strength and green skin.

Pic related.

Well considering as how you can LIFT UP THE FUCKING UNIVERSE with a little under a thousand strength, in three years you'd be the strongest individual in the multiverse.

>>16028568

Was the skin-grafter class dude broken? I didn't see anything wrong with it. If I'm incorrect, though, please do illuminate me.

The Gentleman Monk is always related.

"Ha! The wizard is out of spells!"

"I grapple the dragon. +380 grapple bonus."

*rolls an 8*

"You rip off the dragon's head and eat it."

DO WANT

>>16028658
With Improved Grapple, you won't provoke opportunity attacks. And you can deal 381 nonlethal and lethal damage a round, minimum.

You can wrestle a Tarrasque to death.

If you think THAT'S bad, you should, very carefully, read the description of the spell "no light" in the BoVD.

>>16028734
There's a feat that lets you intimidate creatures with low-to-no intelligence, and a feat that lets you add your Str bonus to Intimidate. So one might easily wrestle a Tarrasque nonlethally to 0HP, and then punch it until it gives you a piggyback ride.

Fucking muscle wizards, man.

And now it's saved forever.

>>16028765
Seems legit. What am I missing here?

time for a THAT GUY type question.

how to make the most broken muscle wizard?

>>16028851
I don't know the Wizard's roster that well, but I'm sure there's a combination of spells so that you can make a time bubble, give yourself an infinite amount of food, halt your aging, step inside, and fast-forward time a few years in a matter of minutes.

Then, punch the DMPC.

>>16028877

it's too broken for me to handle

>>16028851
How to make the most broken muscle wizard with the 3.5 core rulebook. At lower and higher levels

>>16028653
I would play the SHIT out of this. Pic related.

A high strength wizards that embues its unarmed strike with a spell-like ability?

>>16028851
Without using the gimp in OPs post

lvl20
Wizard5/Monk15
Race:Golaith
Feats:Improved Natural Attack, ImpTWF, Double Hit, Deft Opportunist, Extend Spell, Combat Reflexes, etc
Items:standard monk stuff, ask your DM if you can count Spiked Gauntlets as an Unarmed Attack (effectively treating them as brass knuckles)

5d6+STR+whatever enhancement the spiked gauntlets have per hit, increasing to 6d6+1d8+STR+enhancement with enlarge person, making 5 attacks per round or 7 with flurry of blows, even more if you have haste

Thats mostly 3.5 core material with a few feats from Complete Warrior

As a DM... I might not veto this build immediately if the player asked to be infected with the disease. But I would warn him that he'd best use it for some supreme roleplaying and not always hog the spotlight.

I want to see a fucking Rage Mage.

Ehh yeah its broken, but you still only have 1d4 hp, you'll have to add something else in there to compensate for that.

>>16029011
And now you have a workable way to make it happen. The actual Rage Mage PrC is useless; it's neither full casting nor full BAB, which means it's like duct-taping a knife to a gun in a way that points toward the user and blocks off the trigger.

Wasn't the BovD and the BoeD for 3.0?

Now you just need to research some custom spells where the damage and radius depend on the caster's strength.

>>16029011
Thing about this is, he'd still be transmitting the disease.

Though i guess he's still EVIL.

Be a cleric

Divine Metamagic + Persistent Spell + Greater Consumptive Field + Either an Anthill or summon a swarm or something = ???

Hypothetically speaking, you could just walk from place to place gaining ridiculous amounts of strength for every tiny creature that dies along the way.

Illumian (Aeshkrau) = Strength to Bonus Spells per Day

Hell, use that as a Cancer Mage. YOUR STRENGTH FUELS YOUR SPELLCASTING.

>>16029095
>Illumian
They're bald too!

But they can grow mustaches, if I recall. Thus fulfilling the prophecy of OP's image!

BRILLIANT.

>>16029095
>300 level 9 spells a day
>fueled by flexing your muscles

YES.

>>16029095
Not only that, but if you take Leadership, Epic Leadership, and Might Makes Right, you can add your theoretically infinite Str bonus to your leadership level.

You can have literally MILLIONS of followers, all attracted by the SHEER POWER OF YOUR MUSCLES.

This reminds me of Morrowind. You could catch Corprus, then use shrines a couple of times a week to remove the negative modifiers from it.

>>16029193

So you'd be Arnold Schwarzenegger?

The sheer amount GLORIOUS MUSCLE contained in this thread makes me weep with joy.

>>16029018
Add Vile Rigidity, different disease from BOVD. Infinite AC and Infinite Strength.

So you are a godman ass kicker fighter who also is a mage?

This thread now has the official seal of approval.

>>16029193
Why stop at millions when you can have them all!

>>16028571
Have you statted out Fist?

Guys, don't forget vile rigidity.

Same dealio as festering anger, except it gives AC.

This is a good thread.

>>16028877

>>16028538
Well known combo, OP, but the true Muscle Wizard has to be the Illumian the guy mentioned. That way you actually get a bonus to magic from strength.

>>16028611
>Well considering as how you can LIFT UP THE FUCKING UNIVERSE with a little under a thousand strength
... Really?

You forgot the feat in B&B that lets you use any one stat, including STR, instead of INT for wizardry.
So you could be the STRONGEST mage ever in BOTH ways

I prefer to play as my Human Commoner Chickenmancer who becomes Exalted by feeding everybody in the world.

>>16033213
Why become exalted when you can be the supreme ruler of the multiverse?

Hell you could probably even fuck the Lady of Pain.

>>16033220
WITH MY COCK LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Seriously, though, if you feed everybody free chicken, they're going to be your friend. Dragon, goblin, Roc, ghoul, they're all going to appreciate you. Nobody would want to dethrone you because they love you. Therefore, you've won D&D because nobody wants to fight you, and if they did, everyone else would rush to your aid.

>>16033233
One word: Vegans.

>>16033291
One skill: Diplomacy

Besides, why would vegans even exist in a game with sentient plants? Nigga, you dumb.

>>16033299
Seven words: Sentient vegan plants with phenomenal Sense Motive.

>>16033304
Promise Kobolds infinite chicken if they murder all the sentient plants.

Sit back and watch the most amazing battle in history take place.

>>16033304
You're a seriously boring person to reply to.

To see such theorydancing flowing effortlessly;
we truly live in an illuminated age.

>>16033317
I don't think that's how you spell Dwarves.

>>16033334
Dwarves have axes. Axes > Trees.

Kobolds have traps and incredible enthusiasm married to the ability to lose to anything.

>>16033323
And you're a seriously boring troll. Your point?

>nderappr Program
50 Copper Ludi'Drizzt ride again!

>>16028765
Okay, I don't get it.
How is this broken?

>>16033355
>And you're a seriously boring troll

Look it up. You're not using that word right if you think that's what I'm doing.

>>16033233
And then suddenly the chickens stop coming after DM fiat.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw

Introduce your character by regaling them with stories of your foster parents and sentient-magical-dog-brother, Jake.

>>16033369
Eh. Trolling, being abrasive because someone reused a particular phrasing, call it what you will.

Also, we're going after my vocabulary now?
>An ad hominem within an ad hominem

>>16033419
>Also, we're going after my vocabulary now?

Yep. If you're going to use words that loosely, at least man up when people tell you you're using them wrong.

>>16028538
The BOVD classes are meant to be used as classes for villainous NPCs, you aren't supposed to let the players use them.

However, if you are a nice DM and allow the players to be horrible cancers mages it doesn't matter, beacause RAW it says you are immune to all effects except cosmetic, so no + to strength for you.

>>16033419
People dont like you because you act like a pseudo intellectual dickweed that needs to be weeded out

Guys are there any spells that either negate casting time or allow you to cast an unlimeted number of spells per turn. Because if so then the Illumian Rage Mage could Kenshiro a boss with touch attacks or spell imbuned punches.

>>16033397
Nigga wut
Finn has the finest blonde hair in all of Ooo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlxhS8t_2k

>>16033419
>because someone reused a particular phrasing

I thought it was because you were being boring. I mean, he said that. Are you attributing reason above and beyond what was given? And you're complaining about logical fallacies?

>>16033442
Okay, so you're not technically a chaotic evil large humanoid with an intelligence score of six and regeneration five negated by acid or fire. My bad.

Would you prefer ogre? Ettin, perhaps?

>>16033472
It appears to be epic beard man in a Finn costume, perhaps that is why it is black, not blonde...

>>16033397
That is quite the impressive bulge he's packin' there.

>>16033478
>Would you prefer ogre? Ettin, perhaps?

I'd prefer you stop being boring. I thought that was clear when I said it.

>In the same book
Well that's just fucking irresponsible.

>>16033499
They churned out so many books and did so little playtesting that there were seriously more options to break the game than there were ways to play a viable Fighter.

>>16033457
I'd love to, but entertainment is kind of subjective and you haven't really given an indication as to what's boring you. If responding to me is boring, then you might want to find a new hobby.

At any rate, this thread's been slightly derailed enough as it is. Sorry about the boredom, I'll do a little song and dance to make it up to you someday.

>>16033525
>and you haven't really given an indication as to what's boring you

I have. Your posts. How old are you? If what you have to say is enough to derail this thread, maybe replying isn't your forte. Or you're just not having a peak night, whatever.

>If responding to me is boring

No. Stop. Its your posts. Reading your posts. That's what's boring, that's what I've said. Several times. You're reading too far into things and apparently trying to find a meaning deeper than anything I've said. Who does that?

>>16033564
>>16033525
Oh, for the love of-
Both of you, just shut up.
I can't tell which one of you is trying to get a rise out of the other, maybe you're both doing it at once. Either way.
His posts are boring? Then, hey, here's a novel idea.
Stop fucking reading them.
I know. It's mind boggling, ain't it?
Now shut the hell up and let folks talk about insanely strong wizards in peace.

>>16033617
This.

Seriously, you guys drove away absolutely everyone else. I hate you both.

>>16033642
>>16033617

Elegen/t G/entlemen! We can still have ourselves a BULLY time!

QUICKLY! POST YOUR MOST DAPPER PICTURES!

You wouldn't have these problems if you just used skub...

>>16033446
At 1st level, a cancer mage suffers no
ill effects of diseases.

+2 strength or +1 AC is not an ill effect. Unless there's some other reference I'm missing?

That does bring up a question regarding Vile Rigidity; if you gain the AC bonus but not the dex penalty, what exactly is happening to your skin? Does it transform into diamond instead of Tetsuoing you to death or what?

>>16033845

Hmm. You but need a disease that grants Speed/Dexterity, and one that manifests in sparkles, and you will be a Twilight vampire.

plus, you know, lycanthropy

>>16034095

I don't think lycanthropy is technically a disease in DnD.

>>16034128
A lycanthrope in animal form fights like the animal it resembles, although its bite carries the disease of lycanthropy.

A remove disease or heal spell cast by a cleric of 12th level or higher also cures the affliction, provided the character receives the spell within three days of the lycanthrope’s attack.