pass

>>15646834

Faggot Detected.

>>15646834
you pass on everything. It honestly isn't a terribad idea. there's a lot to the setting, its basic, pure dugeon crawling at its core as well. Which is something that's always awesome

IMAGINE THE REAVERBOTS WE COULD MAKE.

>>15646886
.....OHGAWD

Megaman Legends?
Count me in!

As long as there are rules for realizing that a hero is just a man who knows he is free.

>>15646906
scripty Im shocked you haven't made reaverbot minis to be honest. Also, As the admin you may use my site freely to store data and such things.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/New_age_dawning/index.php?act=idx

So, I guess the first thing that comes to it.

What system do we use?

Well considering the dungeons are based on squares and it has the potential for something along the lines of a point buy swap for different attributes related to weapons or items, this has some potential

Something that bothered me about the Megaman universe were Tron Bonne's servbots. They liked eating curry and spaghetti and pizza.

Did they have human organs under that plastic shell?

>>15646962
all the things you listed are high in complex sugars. I bet if anything, they have alcohol powered systems and synthetic taste buds.

Alright, one thing that is a major compnent of the games was the weapons, mostly the fact you could customize the things. So it needs to have the ability to adjust weapons in various ways as well as the specials

Wasn't legends canonically in the far future from all the other megaman games? If so we could bring in the 'classic' megaman baddies or at least items and fluff as artifacts and such.

>>15646933
Seeing how MML1 was one of my fav games for the PS1, I'm a bit amazed myself.
I really should build Juno's 2nd stage or something.
Also, thanks. I'll delve into the possibilities fo your generous offer very soon.

Now as for the game itself - we are obviously looking at relic hunting and shit. Probably piracy too.
How exactly do we want this to work?
Closer to how the Caskets did it (bolt huge guns onto arms, call it a day) or how the Bonnes rolled (Solve problem with mechs. If fail, build more mechs).
I'd assume the players in general would assume the roles of various treasure hunters, right?

>>15646962
Something that bothered me, was the metal thing on Tron's crotch. The fuck is that thing?

>>15647020
Chasity plate.

>>15647014
why not both, though relic hunting should be the main focus at first. Mechs big and small play a huge role in the game, so maybe have aspects dedicated to it?

/v/irgin /m/an here. I like your jib /tg/ I think when I use my rage to become Godlike at UMvC3 and kick the asses of those ungrateful fat neckbeards who would suck a pig nipple for Capcom's shit I'll fund this idea legitimately

>>15647009
now I have the image of a Gutsman reaver bot stuck in my head WHY /TG/ why?

>>15647020
Humans have died out in Megaman Ledgends time, what is left is some partially organic self replicating cyborgs named "Carbons". Most Carbons have cybernetic parts, some more than others.

Tron's got a cybernetic vagina.

>>15647020
It was probably there to make piloting some of the craft more comfortable.
Most of the shit the rode it didn't look like it was designed to be comfy, save for the Gesselschaft itself. A metal groinplate might be just what you need to make taking hits from rapid missile fire bearable.

8-bit dystopia tried and failed with this.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/New_age_dawning/index.php?showforum=9

Gentlemen
BEHOLD

>>15647032
Perhaps it could be integrated into some form of class/multiclass sytem, say you can pour all your points into being a great Pilot or Gunner, but then you'll need a Mechanic to build you your mechs and guns, or you can take a bit of both to be more self-sufficcient if a bit weaker in all aspects.

Ex. Megaman is what you end up with if you go all the way to offence. You will tear shit up but you can't even reload your own guns, let alone build them.
Roll is the opposite end - full mechanic. She can build some great shit but in a fight she's a bit meh, and even her piloting is questionable at times.
Tron is a balanced mix. She can build stuff, drive stuff and shoot stuff. However Megaman is still far more deadly and Roll's stuff is more reliable.

Obviosuly it should have more than these three points, but this is just a general idea example.

>>15647118
if we can make a workable Legend of Zelda rpg, we can make a megaman legends rpg

>>15647118
it was too broad, it didn't fail really it just was too broad, we're bringing the focus to bear on one aspect

>>15647125
makes sense, Also, most diggers seem either great in a fight or terrible. Also, the hard ass ones tend to go heavy body mods or wear some sort of power armor. Cant forget that

I've actually been toying around with a megaman style game. It's too early if you want to see more than some text files (I've been putting more effort into DtD book 2) but it's looking good.

Perhaps we could borrow a page from LoZRPG and use a roll and keep system.

or just cannibalize something like d20 modern or whatever.

Personally, I believe the system should be classless.

>>15647177
possible but it wouldn't be hard to yank and tear a good class system apart and rebuild it. There really are some obvious differences in how people act,

Tron/roll are not really combat but they can get away with fighting if they can cobble together large nasty machines.

megaman/rock is a true blue fighter type. hell he was designed for it. A lot of diggers seem to be this but god help them, they suck with tech.

The old man/gramps was something of a knowledge base as well as faceman

>>15647204
well during digs into large dungeons the less combat savvy characters (techs and so forth) need to have some way to help the megaman analogue character in his front line fighting, do they all go as a party? or does the tech build a mech suit or send in little helper drone bots that act as eyes and ears to help them?

>>15647204
Point taken.

So, what kind of classes should there be?

I'm thinking something like:

Close combat specialist (Bon or Teisel)
Ranged combat specialist (Megaman)
Weaponsmith (Roll, builds guns and ships and ships in guns)
Mechanist (Tron, build robot lackeys)
Archivist/Loremaster (Barrel, all the data)
Diplomancer (Glyde, blather and stuff)

and maybe a ship combat-class or should that be integrated into Machinist/Smith?

>>15647204
going with that you have three basic skill groups

Tech

Combat

social/book learnan'

>>15647265
maybe pilot is its own class? Or a sub group of specialties that a character can take?

>>15647265
is it bad I look at this and think right off the bat using DH as a core?

>>15647305
AdEva did it before, and it sorta worked.

We -could- use DH, as long as we took out Insanity and Corruption.

MML is too noblebright to have that.

>>15647330
agreed, we have rules for giant robots in the basic core of Ad eva even...my god...

>>15647305
Inb4 we call it Mega Heresy

On the Classes, I'd say 4 core, with branching and possibility to multiclass at leas tto an extent

Combat
Tech
Diplomacy
Pilot

The break down from there, to something like
Ranged / Melee
Guns & Mods / Vehicles
Lore & Wisdon / Influence & Cunning
Mech Pilot / Airship Pilot
etc.

A party, in an optimal situation, would work together to build a home base, mobile or stationary, and the means to launch bigger and bigger digs either the classic MML style of sending one really decked out guy to drill some walls, or the MAoTB / Marlwolf style of pulling dynamic entries with large vehicles, possibly filled with decked out combat specialists.

Together, they fight crime. Or, well, reaverbots and cops and other diggers and shit.

>>15647392
that sounds like a good set and limits the classes as well as creating diversity.

>>15647392
Scripty, with that base set you can have sliding scales of how much a character is one or the other. I like it.

Again. Ad eva set the ground work for this with the whole base building concept. lord its sorta creepy.

This thread is why I love you /tg/.

Refractors are going to play a big part as well. Anyone have any info on the damn things? Also I have work soon. gnetlemen keep the thread goings

>>15647563
As far as I'm concerned, they're simply an energy source/plot coupon.

We could use it as either something for the machinists to tinker with, or just plain dosh.

>>15647601
both?

>>15647563
well refracters are a currency and a power source, so having little ones be used as pocket cash while larger one's are refined and used to create power sources for weapons and tech seems like a way to go. Might make for some pissibility over if the power they provide is limited or if it recharges over time. Could explain for how those special weapons from MML have a limited ammo to that extent.

>>15647601
It could be used as one currency and power source rolled into one. The crew would have to choose wisely how much to spend on money and how much to use powering their weapons.

While not MML, I did once play in a game based on a re imagining of the X universe.

Interesting party, two reploids, two humans and an old prototype robot.

>>15647639
hmm. that could be a very interesting way to do things...

I LIKE IT

>>15647639
I can see it now: The digging company (party) is beset by pirates and things are getting desperate, the combat character calls for everyone to put as many refracters as they can into the defensive cannons while the money grubbing social character is bawwing over how he'd rather be dead then live through the encounter and be penniless.

>>15647687
that...would be amusing.

On refractors: All of them count as solid hard cash. Small ones have little other use, but big ones are important power sources needed for more impressive machines / weapons.
This allows for one form of pacing the progress of the party, as they need to mount digs to gain access to large refracts, which in turn they need to power stronger gear needed for even bigger digs.

On other mechanics: We now have an idea for classes. What about stats? Do we want them? Do we need them?
If yes, what would they be? Strength (Attack power, carrying capacity, overpowering enemies in grapples, etc) / Agility (Climbing, swimming, acrobatics, reaction time, etc) / Endurance (HP, damage resistance, negative effect resistance) / Perception (spotting enemies and trasure, being able to read people and situations) / Willpower (Diplomacy checks, resistance to being threatened or coerced, etc) / Skill (Bonuses to your chosen class' specialities)

Again, examples
Megaman has high Strength and Skill (he can carry huge guns like the Cannon Arm and Shining Laser, as well as lug around Refractors. He is also a very good shot with his weapons), mediocre Agility and Endurance (He can jump well enough, but needs Mods to do it well and still can't swim. He can take hits but still gets knocked around quite a lot) and poor Perception and Willpower (He fails to see huge robots in the same room without a radar and isn't very good at intimidating people with words)

>>15647740

Power (close combat stat, how much can you carry)
Agility (how fast can you move)
Accuracy (how pro with a gun are you)
Intelligence (speaks for itself)
Endurance (how much can you take before exploding into a shower of sparks)
Wits (how fast you react under pressure)
Skill (how dextrous are you, mechanist mainstat)
Charisma (diplomancer)
Willpower (resist fear and coercion, opposes Charisma)

that's my take on the stats

too crowded?

>>15648061
9 skills feels like a lot to me. It adds a lot of detail to a character, yes, but I'm not sure if we need that many uindividual stats to represent these aspects.
For instance I think we could fuse Charisma with Willpower, and Skill with Accuracy to drop down to 7.
Perhaps if we took in some form of wider Feat/Perk system we could live with even less stats, and instead use the Feats/Perks to represent certain archetypes like highly agile or very intelligent characters.

With this method creating a character would consist of
1) Picking your class mix
2) Picking/rolling your stats
3) Picking your Perks
Say we have 5 points you can burn into Classes, each working on a 5 start system. You can spread out to a 1/1/1/1/2 jack of all trades, or go all out into a 5/0/0/0/0
Then you have a total of X points to spend on Stats, which go from 0 to 10. X is defined by the amount of stats we have. In general spreading your points evenly should make you about a 3 or 4/10 in each stat.
And finally you can further tweak your character with a few Perks, say two or three, perhaps more if you take a flaw lke Arrogance, Overconfidence, Cowardice, Greed or Stupidity to balance it out.

And now I really need to get some sleep or I will be a total zombie at work tomorrow.
I'll check the thread in the mornign incase it lives that long.
Hope my ideas helped.

Bump to keep the thread from falling off the board.

Working from scripty's stuff, What I can piece together from it. Let's say, that classes are based around the perks you take. forcing you certain ways once you pick an archetype class lets say Ranged attacker.

now the ranged attacker has a decent perk list for shooty and not so much for choppy. his ability perks favor being accurate, being able to move pretty well and take a hit. this means his Endurance, strength and Agility are the ones he will take.

From there he can augment his 'class' with whatever general perks there are laying around.

Working on the prior idea,

You get four base 'classes'

Fightan

Technin'

Brainin'

Pilotan'

These act as a general 'grouping' for skills and perks that are open and limit you from others. They also decide how your attributes look. From here you are given a smattering of focus perks and skills that lean to one side or the other so lets say for the fighter they have the Choppy/shooty paradigm. Though its best to go one way its possible to have a guy who's middle of the road and use both melee and shooting in a fight.

>>15652626
not bad, but, what about non combat junk?

Is some of that going to be general? Will we have a trivia skill?

>>15646799
FUND IT

This could work REALLY well in Mutants and Masterminds. Shit is practically made for customized powers.

The only problem is getting people to play with it still feeling like a Megaman game (i.e.; one player).

http://z13.invisionfree.com/New_age_dawning/index.php?showforum=9

Again, dude has a forum set up. This is rather a nice change of things. Anyways,

On refractors, maybe we have a sort of Refractor level up, where you need to get so many to get access to 'bigger' refractors, the ones that are plot cupon style types

Its been attempted.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WIFPN2DZ

However a MML RPG standalone would be amazing.

>>15652765
really, this is the setting that lends itself to teamwork. imagine having a party setting up to go on a dig, having to find legends of what lies in the ruins, what treasures work the gear head pounding together your gear, the faceman getting the town to NOT run you out

>>15652801

See my post @ the alternate site.

M&M. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.

>>15646962

The humans are actually organic robots called Carbons, so I imagine the Servbots might have some sort of hybrid system.

>>15652873
...its still incredibly disturbing. Also, Reaverbots..oh god the reaverbots

Working back, I like this archetype concept. If we have that base layer from there we really don't need all that much.

the fighter,
techguy
face guy
pilot guy

seems to be a really good combo, maybe have it that they are readily mixed and matched in certain areas like how Roll pilots the Flutter and Tron uses the Gustaff? I think

So, should base/ship building be a major aspect of the game? It seemed to be in the second and msadventures and in which case why not gank some rogue trader rules?

>Megaman Legends?
>Oh, they mean Megaman 64. I fucking loved that game.

I swear to God, I played that game LAST NIGHT.

I would play the hell out of this setting.

Also, I believe Data's little disco dance is an important aspect of the game, and should have rules surrounding it.

I'm all for the base building idea.

Morning bump.

I sadly don't have time for an in-depth analysis and highly detailed post, but after reading the newer posts, I thought I'd just drop one more example of the system I was suggesting.
Can't really say anything about M&M though since I am not familliar with it.

If we go back to the 5/10/3 point buy idea, here's my thoughts after sleeping on it
>Class
First, you pick the core class you play as (Fighter/Tech/Face/Pilot).
This gives you 2 points out of 5 for that class.
You can then spend 3 more points on any class you want, but you their points value cannot be greater than your starting class'.
>example
-Let's say the empty table is: Fight0/5 Tech0/5 Social0/5 Pilot0/5
-You pick Fighter, making your table Fight2/5 Tech0/5 Social0/5 Pilot0/5
-You want to multiclass into Tech and Pilot, ending up with Fight2/5 Tech2/5 Social0/5 Pilot1/5
-However, you cannot go Fight2/5 Tech3/5 Social0/5 Pilot0/5. To do that, you need to have Tech as your main class.

>Stats
Let's say the stats are
Str / Agi / End / Skill / Wits / Cha
and they all go from 0 to 10
You get 25 points to spend on Stats, allowing for 4s across the board, or a couple of 10s and a 5.

>Perks
Finally, you pick 3 Perks
You can either pick 3 perks related to your main class, or one from your main and one from some other class. Say our example fighter wants to take the Fighter Perk that helps you aim better, but still take the Trick Piloting perk from Pilot.

>>15653222
that sounds rather good.So you start with three points have to pick one class as your focus, and then can either specialize in that or, multiclass into another

>>15653222
how would advancement work then?

>>15653465
point based award or maybe investing refractors into stuff?

>>15653622

This. Make refractors that one step more valuable to the players

>>15653712
maybe have it so you don't really advance per say unless you locate stuff that you need or make the gear for it.

>>15653222
I am sorry, but while things sounded good, I strongly vouch against classes.

Should there really be classes in a futuristic, sci-fi megaman world with a relatively huge focus on modification and craft etc, or even trade and research?

I say your initial design is limiting enough.
Say, if you are human or not, and what kind of robot if you are one.
To begin with, the "capability" of these things vary to such a degree, that I believe you should have something other than a calss system if you want all of them to be available.
Like Yuna for instance, not exactly your "standard class".

If anything, I argue that classes makes little sense, but even more so in a world like this where people change and modify stuff ont he fly.
"Hmm, let's go stealth ops part on this one."
"Shit, I forgot I am a fighter! Can't use these parts!"

Well, I might exxagerate a bit, but I think there is alot to what I said.

>>15653741
Would we want them playing as ancient, super computers though? By the sounds of things lady yuna and her counterpart were something of an oddity. And Juno well...Juno wasn't exactly someone you'd want to ever have to deal with on a regular basis.

A loose class system isn't a bad thing, most people are used to some sort of basic guide line and role. It happens to work well and also encourages a team dynamic, they may only open up things to certain groups but the ability to automatically take two classes from the get go makes it a fairly loose goose to start.

>>15647020
Usb Port

>>15648257
>For instance I think we could fuse Charisma with Willpower, and Skill with Accuracy to drop down to 7.

I think combining Wits and Skill will help as well to drop to 6. Anything less than that seems a bit much though.

>>15653789
>makes it a fairly loose goose to start
I suppose, but isn't weird if you customize things as freely as the world itself makes things available?

Now, for instance, I know this is far from Shadowrun, but it is still at least a sci-fi world.
But imagine playing Shadowrun, only finding out that you can't use specific Cyberware because you happen to be a specific class(es).

But yes, as I said, this isn't Shadowrun.
But people mod and pimp their/them selves, gear, rides and other stuff all the time, they even do this stuff in game frequently.
Yet the world itself have immense potential in regards to modifications and upgrades like that. In a few ways, the game have regards similair to Eclipse Phase.

On the topic of Tron Bonne.

>>15653888
The plate is a buckle.

>>15653893

But she's a robo-sexual

>>15653741
It could be that certain parts just work better with certain classes. Just as an example, if there's a piece of equipment that's good for a stealth class, then any non-stealth class wouldn't get as much of a bonus from it. In some ways, classes really aren't that much different from day-to-day jobs. I mean, a fire fighter probably wouldn't know how to cook food like a chef, and a chef wouldn't know the proper procedures of how to save someone in a burning building. You're pretty much just adding a physical object that requires some skill to use in a role playing setting.

>>15653920
What about NPCs then? Will they use classes or something else?

Imagine what happens if you rewrite the software of a Servbot or something then, then what? Would it have changed class or something?

>>15653913
She is basically a homunculus of sorts. But nothing says she can't get naked, even if her genitals might or might not have the same compatibility.
If anything, not being able to get naked would be a design flaw.

>>15653865
Why do you assume class related equipment?
there would be some to some degree probably, like the heaviest armor and the biggest guns only usable correctly by those who invested heavily in fighter, but i can't see "you can only use this if you have class X" being on any equipment. only the Super-heavy armor proficiency talent is only available with people who are Fighter 4 or higher.

>>15653920
>>15654029
These two have the right idea. Different classes specialize in certain equipment but generally all classes can use everything within reason. We wouldn't see Roll with something like the powered buster.

>>15653943

Not entirely too far off to think that. Who's to say that the software just turns the Servbot into a different kind of robot, or makes certain parts more compatible? It's really just like making your own computer; not every computer is going to run the same way even if it's similar and has similar parts. Certain restrictions could be put into place based on the character's race if that's even an option, like robotic characters would have arm cannons while non-robotic ones would have hand guns or something.

As for NPCs, I don't see why they can't use classes. I mean, in cases like that the GM is the one who has the most power, so it's not like they'd have to make class specifications for EVERY NPC the group meets.

Systems:
Action
Technology
Social
Pilot

Attributes:
Strength
Body
Agility
Stamina
Reaction
Intelligence

Skills:
X
Y
Z
etc

Perks/feats/etc:
Situational stuff, learned, upgraded or inherent to whatever body/being/creature the character might have.


The rank of the systems function as the core overlaying factors that determines how good everyone are in specific fields.
The attributes determine how suitable they are for them.
And the skills determine what they learned in various areas.
Wheras perks/feats etc are additional stuff, exceptions, special circuimstances etc.


Systems affects most of everything within wide categories to some extents. Doesn't grow as often as other stuff.
Attributes are in a way bound to the physical to a large degree, but they also cover several categories, although not as wide as the systems, and they might be easier to increase than the systems.

Skills, are skills, they grow relatively rapidly to everything else, but only affects the given field covered by each skill.

>>15654104
You can achieve that with stat requirements (that can be amended with upgrades).

You really only need classes if you want to make haracters have wildly different roles.

...

Thinking about it, the whole spotter/digger pairing kinda reminds me of runner/hacker/rigger thing in shadowrun.

>>15654295
>runner/hacker/rigger
I like this comparison.
Because while these people had taken, in a way, very different roles, their skillset often overlap very much the same.
Hacker/Rigger in particular, both actually being hackers, only with the Rigger having a slightly bigger focus on the physical, and the Hacker on the digital, and both having their gear adjusted accordingly of course.
And runners in general, lots of them tend to mix in hacker related stuff into their arsenal.

Classes would just make everyone less diverse.

Bump, attribute requirements might be a good way for things to keep fairly seperate

We need to decide which way we're going on this. All in Favor of the class based system?

>>15656715
Aye. If we allow multiclassing as well, classes do not even restrict variety, but create it since everyone won't just pick everything because that carries the penalty of running out of points fast.
Overall I like the idea that your stats don't really grow ,but rather you gain better gear and skills.

>>15656817
It fits better I think. The fact you need to cobble together get better, seems rather fitting given how many times I remember having to work like a sonofabtich to get better armor and buster parts for a fight.

Also, by allowing multiclassing it forces roles to occur but doesn't overly limit how you play. Im all for the idea of it personally.

Bump fu, bitches

>>15656904
Seconded, I like the idea of the a chance to mix and match what sort of class you have for new tricks. Imagine what a fighter face man would be like?

>>15656715
If we are to have restrective classes then I would argue against it for several reasons, but one being the customizability of the setting in question.

But if we are going to have light and easily based classes with easy multi-classing etc, then I start to question why even to have classes.
If they don't matter that much, then why not simply have an overbearing attribute/stat covering the same stuff in a semi-related sense, to get a similair feel to the thing but without restricting things in the same sense?

Classes are in the end, highly abstract concepts enforced on a objective world were such things doesn't really exist. About the only game, almost, I can think of with classes that weren't simply abstract concepts, is Earthdawn with their dicipline system, in which case the diciplines were deeply tied into the setting (and weren't that similair to classes anyway.)

Might just be me, and no offense, but I feel the attatchment to classes, in most part lingers from some kind of DnD "fixation", subtle or not.
Classes are in no way the only way to easily promote given roles.

>>15657172
It probably is a holdover but, classes are something a lot of people are familiar with as well. Its something that a player can use to build an identity around in game.

Intheory what we could do is something similar to M&M where you build it from given perks then buy equipment later.

I dislike classes as well.

I'd kinda like a simple (possibly as low as tri-stat) system with a short skill list, if any. It'd also be nice to encourage "quirks" somehow.

I dunno I like the way its layed out. Call me old school but I like classes, and the set up feels right to me. Even if the class is really just a skill package and some stat boosts

>>15657364
I guess having classes like that + maybe support to make your own classes (like making an "enforcer", or whatever the antagonist of the Tron Bonne game was who is collecting debts and shit).

Can't you just build the game around this >>15654238 ?
Or this >>15657334 ?
Or even M&M-ish likein >>15657204 ?

The way I see it, what you are doing is basically taking types such as, Street Samurai, Spellslinger, Physical Adept, Hacker, Face, Rigger etc, and applying them as classes for whatever the reason.

The differences in the megaman world are more akin to certain roles rather than different types of being. Instead, build characer related stuff to be able to promote each given type, and give examples of how to build them.
And to throw "classes" left and right seems to me to be diminishing the point of them to begin with.

>>15646921
BUT HE COULD NOT SAVE HIMSELF, ANON

>>15657172

The class system can have a lot of customization as well. Certain perks can be obtained only if you're a particular class, and if you decide to multi-class, you get a broader selection of perks, but you don't get the better ones of a particular class unless you REALLY focus in it.

I view a class based system as more of a skeletal structure; When you first kick up a game, you're probably going to think about what do you want your character to do or be good at, and if there's no class system, you're going to build your character based on how you wanted it in the first place. The class system really just says 'hey, here are some of the most basic types of jobs that people usually pick, and if you pick one of them, you get a bonus from it'. I will say that multi-classing IS a more difficult thing to achieve, because at some point, the player isn't going to care about the flavor as much as they are about how efficient their character is. Being part rogue and part sorcerer in D&D might sound cool, but how well would that sort of character work when you get right down to it? If we are going to go with a class-based system (which I vote yes on), one thing I think needs to be handled at some point is multi-classing. I don't mean like 'as soon as we're done with classes we need to move onto multi-classing', but rather we need to come up with ways of rewarding players who decide to multi-class so that they become something new themselves. You know, reward the idea of creativity. Difficult, yes, but I think it'd be more enjoyable if players can somehow make classes wholly unique to themselves at some point in the future.

>>15659018
perk selection, maybe have perks that are only open by taking one or two from certain classes say, Something like a stylish finisher for a faceman skirmisher type guy or custom build stuff for a tech/pilot sort of dude.

One thing I feel has not been presented in this thread is Roll's, erm, roll as Megamans spotter when he goes into the dig sites.

How plausible would it be to have a class, or subset of skills/perks for all the classes to allow people access to the dig sites camera network, radar, communication across all members of the dig team etcetera. Potentially providing bonuses and a heads up to threats through out the mission.

Alternatively the story teller could be called the Spotter as his working title. Instead of DM, GM, ST, etc we call them the spotter and they take on the roll of a guide for the diggers as they traverse the dangerous terrain of the dig site.

tl;dr
Spotters a la Roll Casket for Megaman Volnutt

>Silvanus wntstass

Maybe its an aspect of the Diplomancers ability set. Something like how the Ops director works?

>>15647118
We didn't fail boy, we're still here.

I, the original poster of 8-bit Dystopia, have been lovingly at work with it for 18 months now.

I'm just in the middle of some IRL shit right now. But the rulebook is long as hell and most of the crunch is now done (just missing the new sanity system and the build/play as-your-own-robot rules).

Somebody already did this and uploaded it the other day. Check out /rs/ and it'll probably be there (Megaman RPG revised).

If it isn't there I'll gladly upload it. It seemed quite neat - HIGHLY customisable - but I haven't checked it indepth.

>>15659370
Anon, I miss those halcyon days. shall you lend us your quill to forge this new work as well?

>>15659391
Go back to namefagging? I dunno. It seems like if you just want a pure Megaman game the fluff is already there for you, and an anon has already done a Megaman RPG, although I haven't seen it.

>>15659388
simple, we're making it ours. Because, why not?

>>15659402
fair enough really just your ideas for mechanics, input on how to do this would be nice

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=wifpn2dz

Here is Megaman Revised, dropped by a kind gent on /tg/ the other day.

>>15659405
You really want some fluff and crunch mods? Well, OK. It's been a damned long time but I'll do it if you want.

>>15659411
OK, well.

I haven't played much Legends. We're talking 15 minutes playing it on emulator last year tops. I'm more a Classic series fan.

So... the first place I'd start is the people. The people in legends are the descendants of robo-humanity. They've long since merged with robots into a new species, kind of like what the sensible Singularitarians talk about except even less dramatic. How does that effect people? (I have not played nearly enough to tell, but I have played enough to realise that the rules for the Megaman RPG posted before will not suffice, because they are extremely humanlike and probably won't share the same Core/Structure damage system).

Alright, lets keep with this class combo bucket system here. it seems to be the most discussed. how do we make it so that solo class or combo classes are viable options?

I like the idea of perks that are only open to solo and combo groups. Working from there would the spotter be some sort of combo set list? working together tech things as well as face man things?

>>15659483
They act basically like normal people from what we've seen they eat, breathe, die, have kids, get sick and injured but, they seem to have a real ability to take on cybernetics which makes sense, things like robotic arms are nothing for them to live with really and Bon is basically a baby in a dreadnought chassis

>>15659483
It seems like they don't have any problems with cybernetics. As in no shock, no nothing. They can just use cybernetics without any problems at all (the grade of such augmentation is another matter...).

>>15659483
Good god I am far too drunk to draw attention to myself with a name tag.

I actually really like Scriptarius' ideas though, although I agree with him in saying that his attributes seem too crowded.

As well, my first thought was "start with the Zelda RPG and evolve from there" so its interesting to see other people suggest that too. It could be worth checking out if you fancy a bit of work OP.

>>15659538
again,
I think the most you can do is like what the pirates tend to do, full body upgrades that leave them little more than a brain in a jar or something. Like Klaymoore who well, for all we know is a little old man in a suit

>>15659560
works gonna be there no matter what, Its why I've devoted a portion of the forum I admin into a dev area for this.

>>15659538
Interesting. Thinking about what we need, I've also been wondering about how cinematic we should make this. I think Legends should be very cinematic, so any rules should avoid being dry and generic. So we should make sure we have an interesting Feat/Edge system and other innovative solutions.

First question is what sort of Dice Resolution system shall we use?
How about 2d6 + [something] as our conflict resolution? It's simple and good for cinematic games.

>>15659591
D6 always works, beats the idea of D10s I was thinking of

alright, so, we've got a pick and choose class system. I like this idea.

Attributes are messy though. We need to slim these down I get the feeling.

>>15659603
Brilliant! I've had a great time playing with 2d6 systems lately, its been very unexpected.

Combat will be very important. Hmm. We can think of how combat works later, right now we should work on the rest of the conflict resolution. SKILLS & ATTRIBUTES! Unlike Scriptarius, I would suggest just a few attributes and then skills for the combat stuff (instead of dark heresy style combat skills where ballistic skill is an attribute, for example).

Here's a slightly modified (and simplified) attributes deal:
Strength (strength & carry)
Agility (speed/dexterity/hand-eye coordination)
Intelligence (smarts)
Endurance (toughness)
Wits (perception/mental dexterity)
Charisma (also affects willpower)

>>15659661
Huh, I've basically used the same attributes I used for 8bit (switched Cool for Charisma). Oh well!

Skills are one for more experienced MML players, but I would suggest basic combat rolls (ranged, dodged, with some melee/parry for people who'd rather be Zero-esque and beam sword it up) with civilian skills and then some cool robot building and computer hacking skills. You COULD work in a 'net hacking thing akin to VR hacking in a cyberpunk game, but that isn't necessarily true to the setting (it ain't Megaman Battle Network after all). The non-combat non-robot building Civilian skills can be decided later. Lets figure out how they should be handled.

In the games I've been playing lately there has been a roll high mechanic where players must roll over a number set by the GM. You could use that. Alternatively you may refer a roll-low system where things are rated 4-12 if you don't like the 2d6 + modifer idea.

I like 3d6+whatever cause it reminds me of the d20 with an actual bell curve.

2d6 works too though, and your average is actually round too...

>>15659721
Both 3d6+ and 2d6+ modifier work for me. We can decide later really, it only makes for a slight difference of Attribute scale.

Do you want a wider possible range of difference or a less dramatic range of difference between things?

This is awesome /tg/. I haven't properly gotten involved in a /tg/ rules building exercise since... well since I did Car Lesbians with you guys. But I'm really feeling the magic now.

Right, where was I? So, the system is roll Xd6 + modifiers. That means there should be degrees of success. There are already a bunch of systems that use similiar mechanisms so perusing the Doctor Who/Buffy/etc drama systems should provide some target numbers that can also be extrapolated into a 3d6 system if necessary using SCIENCE.

We should determine how many modifiers we want to use though. The aforementioned drama system is 1-6, but you guys might want more. A 3d6 system has room for more stuff - 1-10 maybe?

I like the idea of the GM being the Spotter. Could take a note from MaidRPG and have the GM make a spotter character who's involved, but objectively the weakest and only there to help manage funds and Spot.

>>15659836
I feel like mission support would be better for a player, in the same way that cyberpunk games have hacker/decker characters.

>>15659844
There's a reason that got kindof removed from SR4e.

Well, not removed but you know, real time hacking, wireless, etc.

A kind of cartographer who finds actual routes and opens doors in the dungeon or can tell which walls are hollow would be awesome though. Maybe also have some nerd-knowledge of the reaverbots.

>>15659892
That seems cool, and lets be honest, players of a MML are going to want to be Tron and Roll types as well as Volnutt.

for roll resolution, I say lets go with the roll over, it should be less hard for people to wrap their heads around, also I like the simplified attribute system.

as for number O sixes 2-3 sounds best. Most people have at least a couple of them laying around. but, three would lead to having the option for bigger nastiness which would work well to represent things like bigger robots/reavers and vehicles well I would think

>>15659960
hell there will be people who want to be Tiesel, which..what does tiesel really do anyways? Does anyone know?

>>15659892
It's easy to explain away too. Reaverbots have been mass activating and there's no reception underground. Maybe a new reaverbot type, or the reactivating machines themselves are jamming the signal.

Roll's.... role is basically skillmonkey. So I'm guessing with just basic stats+skills point system we could easily get that down.

There could also be a stealthy-ish option, as in the games it was often much faster to just ignore the bots and run/sneak (especially the shark-gators). In the end, you want the big catch deep down, the smallfry doesn't really matter.

PS.: keep the topic bumped, I'm going to need some sleep. Damn timezones...

>>15660233
agreed, that or maybe they had an atypical set up. Spotters normally go in with their Diggers and help them by cracking codes and such. Also, It may just be their personal ethics they have as well

>>15660215
According to Misadventures of Tron Bonne, he sells his body for money.

...

Seems to be the face, and also thue person who comes up with the plans. I don't think we ever actually get to fight him.

Or it could be they had the atypical set up.

Also a sneak option for not shooty/smashy classes is a good idea. that way they at least won't be KOS by Reaver bots and might actually be able to help in fights by popping a few stragglers off or getting to things that can turn the fight.

>>15660256
...
this is one of the few times I hope you meant that literally.

But yeah he probably is the faceguy which explains why he's always taunting you/making insane schemes for money

>>15660282
Basically, what happens is he takes a loan after the Gesselschaft gets blown up AGAIN.

He spots a good place and goes ahead for some treasure hunting while instrcting Tron to follow him. By the time Tron catches up, the loan sharks get him and take him away to ransom for cash from Tron.

>>15660256
Tiesel pilots the Marlwolf in 1 and the Blitzkrieg in 2. Coincidentally, they're both digging machines.

If you want to count the boss fights against all the Bonnes piloting the Gesselschaft/Fokkerwolf, Bruno, and whatever their submarine battleship thing was, that brings him up to five.

>>15660369
That's true. Totally forgot about the diggers. I think Tron piloted the aircrafts though (I'LL SHOW THEM!).

>>15660233
Same here bro, its late where I am and I've got to be up early in the morning.

http://androidarts.com/mml/reaverbot_legends.htm

Gentlemen... behold.

>>15660546
This actually has some pretty good points!

I like how the weapons double as digger equipment.

Shields could make platforms, the "sniper" could be a boltgun, explosive charges could be used to break down fake walls, swords could be used to cut wines and cables, etc...

I've read that OD&D spells all served a double purpose in the dungeon, it could be kinda like that.

Well, one would assume the players would use them like that anyways, but having them be explicitly dual purpose is a very interesting Idea as well. it could also mean maybe you could upgrade your gear to be things that work better in certain function such as bigger explosions or a more penetrating charge for or even radio controlled detonators.

>>15656715
I whink we should have classes, but have them more like Dark Heresy classes than D&D classes.
What i was thinking of, built off of the idea earlier in the thread, was a point buy system where you don't get levels in classes but have Ranks in the classes. at the start you can have, say 1 Rank in a class free, and then you earn additional Ranks by getting talents with that class as a pre-requisite. so, if you get, lets say 100, points worth of Sneaky talents/perks/feats/whatever you get Rank 1 in Sneaky and can take better Sneaky Talnets/perks/feats/whatever. There would of course be Talents that require Rank 0 in a class that allow you to "multiclass."
What do you think of this system /tg/?

>>15661112
it doesn't sound bad but, maybe have talents that allow for cross classing early on, and advancement into other careers readily maybe?

why does it seem like megaman juno's class of 'bot were made to rape everything when it came time to throw down? Does anyone understand this?

>>15659836

I think the GM being the Spotter is only appropriate. I mean, the Spotter is the one who locates the enemies on the radar and tells the Digger what's going on and gives a general idea of what's going on, and can potentially help the players out as well. Seems like the perfect position a GM can have to help the players.

>>15661207
that is a really good idea actually, in most cases they would be lower ranked for one class than another, but still provide points to leveling up both. Like Light armor proficiency being Fighter Rank 0 and Sneaky Rank 2, but will still provide points towards Sneaky even if you have no other Sneaky Talents

>>15661297
maybe set it up as an optional ability ala the Ops director, The Gm has the option to do so, but if a player wants they can be the spotter, for better or for worse

I find your lack of Zero disturbing.

>>15661375
its in there. We are thinking of a melee fighter type of build anyways

>>15661392
For stats, special abilities and such perhaps Rockman X: Command Mission could be a starting point. I mean, it WAS a Megaman RPG.

gentlemen, have we reached a descision yet? Also guest posting is active in the Dev section of the forum

http://s13.invisionfree.com/New_age_dawning/index.php

>>15661112
I'm curious as to how you'd get the points. You COULD change it so that you get points via combat or something, and then you can just buy the ranks and you could pretty much just buy your levels, with each new rank costing a few more points. That way, it's a bit different from just gaining exp since you can buy ranks of a different sort of 'class'.

Probably not the EXACT way to go, but I think it's a nice sort of start.

>>15661516
refractor shards my friend, or maybe that was for powering gear/buying stuff

I figure the classes though don't give major stat boosts if any. If they have them they are probably going to be hard. Its the gear that makes the man-mega and to get the gear you gotta get dosh for it.

As for perks I say either zenny to the wall for this or have it that its a simple point buy system based on rank/class

>>15661516
well, when i said points i was trying to be vague. Essentially they are the same vague advancement mechanic every RPG has in some form or another. As for how you get them, i would like to see the system fleshed out before we decide that, as how advancements are achieved can really alter the tone of the game, do you think D&D would have as much combat if the rules where "you level up every third session, regardless of what they contain."? at the moment it could be pretty much anything that earns you them, completing a dig, sacrificing money, conflicts, set amount per session, and so on. there are so many ways to do it that i felt it was better to leave it vague for now until we get a more fleshed out system so we can fit advancement to the game, rather than the other way around.

>>15661624
fair enough, then lets get back to the bones of this beast here.

So, we have decided a loose class system of sorts that allows a mix and match of two of them. But, what would this entail? What aspects of these classes make them stick out on their own in the first place that define them as stand alone classes?

Fighting types-

they stand out as the only pure combat class, they excell at hammering hard when it counts and knocking down the enemy. Fighters come in two major flavors. you're shooting types which like to take shots at the baddies from a distance and the close in your face melee types that will run you through with an energy saber.

In these two varieties you'll see a number of different kinds though, from ninja like speed-swordsman and machine gunners to the heavy hammer types and mobile artillery users. These guys are the most common digger, they know how to take a hit, and give one back.

However, they tend to be something of a rough bunch and are not overly open around anyone but other diggers and are more often than not horrible with machinery that requires a more 'delicate' touch.

>>15661624
well, the four that are floating around in the thread are Fighter, Face, Pilot, Mechanic. though i think there should probably be a Rogue like class that lets the non-fighters sneak through a ruin and use there skills in there. unless that should be rolled into fighter, or fighter is the only class designed for going on digs, the others help with support.

>>15661840
a thief wouldn't be a bad idea actually, figure in case say the players want to be pirates and need to get in somwhere and steal valuables without getting caught, or maybe into ruins to trigger some old tech even

>>15661840
maybe make it an aspect of the pilot class? Though that seems silly in retrospect

>>15661840
maybe its a skill set open to all classes?

>>15662103
If we are going with the class system I suggested it doesn't really work well to have it like that, otherwise there is no way to keep the better abilities out of the hands of weaker characters. Multiclassing is the norm in this system. You like a Thief talent? take a couple, It would be that simple. It's like SWSE if you've ever played it. Multiclassing is both expected and encouraged.

>>15662200
have not but, alright so we make it its own class, which works pretty well in the end probably.

The stealth guy is just that, the stealth guy, hes the sort that goes around picking pockets, locks and little old ladies purses, he can glide by a reaver without a fight but, should he get caught he's not all that good in the nitty gritty.

>>15662542
maybe base some of their powers off of bola there, the guy who would leap from spinny death machines around the room and would throw reaver bots at you? He seems like a melee steath guy

well, we found one of the stealth guys better talents...dear god how many people you could troll with that alone.

Saving a lot of the info, this has promise.

I think the next step is defining how items affect the different classes: stat/skill boosts, special skills, ect.
And then perhaps basic categories for skills, though they should not be catch alls.

>>15663875
agreed, though we also will need a robust item creation system as well really given the fact that well there's not one, but, two classes dedicated to that very facet of the game

>>15646799
Give me material to frawdag and also more Tron!

>>15663916
Will do Green marine How about a couple character's for the basic classes? Like a figheter type, a tech type, a faceman and a pilot also a stealth guy?

>>15663911
Yeah, maybe two or three defining things about items, but being able to be creative with how they look.

>>15663932
Will do. What are we aiming for? Mega man-esque robot characters? Humans?

legends style which is pic related

>>15664060
have it so they have a list of effects that based on what sort of item it is they can choose from, with a price and stuff they need for it listed with it.

>>15664122
>>Implying i need a picture to be familiar with legends style

I can't really describe how offended i am at the moment.

Hey guys, i just got back from vacation, whats ne...

>In the light of legends three being cancelled.

Oh.

>>15664164
hey, you asked. But human/carbon like please. Also sorry batman

>>15664168
Way to good, Bats! You could of stopped this from happening!

>>15664140
Yeah, and maybe like the way the website >>15660546 brought up.

Find item > reverse engineer/pay someone > blueprint > parts > new item

That way, if they get really clever, they can sell the blueprints to a manufacturer and get royalties or something. Though at that point it could become more like Rogue Trader, for better or worse.

>>15664227
that could work as well maybe multiple ways to make the item? IBlueprints could be the easiest and maybe crafting checks to see what happens if you try from scratch?

>>15664227
To be a little more clear:

Find artifact > reverse engineer/pay someone to do that for you > blueprint > parts > useful item

Or, you could decide that something should go to a museum instead, perhaps digging to learn about the past, not for stuff to break down ( though the zenny always helps)

With that I'm off to bed, hopefully this thread will be alive tomorrow, or a similar one.

>>15664286
that could work, dear god its like rogue trader, all of the players will be after profit...

I like this idea, though I'm also all for certain stuff having to be cobbled together from various pieces of crap. Other stuff of course probably would just be for sale at the local junk vendor of course.

Bola and Klaymoor are the perfect examples of two specific high end class builds. Rogue and Fighter/Digger, to be specific.

In regards to refractors, an idea: Larger refractors can both be sold, used for powering heavy machinery, or, if used right, used to enhance a weapon's power output, which would require perhaps the Mechanist class in order to use properly. Larger the refractor, the more boni possible, which could be spread to more than one piece of equipment, with enough skill.

>>15664429
true, also Tiesel actually is a sterling example of what a Faceman/pilot would be. Von bluecher is an out and out faceman though.

as for refractors the larger ones probably act as power sources or, if the party wants can be sold off for a high price given the decent sized ones are used to power everything from towns to air ships

I don't even know which page this is on. I woke up, turned on the browser and here it is.

5-minutes-before-Goning-to-work bump

>>15664429

That's actually a really good idea. The smallest ones are basically pocket change, slightly bigger ones could be like batteries and worth more, and each one that's bigger could generate more power and so on.

I've got to ask two questions though; what's a 'faceman' and where is this info being stored at? Is this being archived or is it in that forum that someone posted that allowed guest posting?

First I'd like to say that I fucking love this idea. I've been wanting to make a Mega Man game for years.
Second, I must say that I loathe and abhor classes.
That being said, however, I think they make since for a MM game because robots are built with a purpose in mind. The Rockman himself was built as a combat robot. I think I can cope with classes as long as they're strictly used as a base model that can be freely modified during and after character creation. as for adding a rogue class, the classes could break down as follows:

Combat
>Ranged/Melee
Engineer
>Fabrication & Repair/Hacking
Protocol
>Data Storage & Analysis/Diplomacy
Pilot
>Vehicles & Drones/Mechs and Battlesuits
Recon
>Stealth/Mobility (getting in and out of places others can't)

riffing off of what other people have posted so far and giving it more of a "this is what I was built for" theme. an example of a recon bot could be built for checking construction sites for safety hazards or could be used as a rescue unit if someone is in danger and there's no one else who can safely get to them because of rubble or some such. one could always go rogue and become a cat burglar. a pilot bot could simply be a cab driver, etc.
so are robots and carbons going to be two distinct races? if so, what sets them apart? I haven't played Legends since it first came out and am not that familiar with the setting.

>>15666235
I think instead of classes it should be "chassis", or "mainframe" or something of the like, if we really must.

You'd pick one at the start, but with enough cash you could switch mid game (out of dungeons). This kindof makes sense and is less restrictive than classes.

>>15666235
I'm pretty sure everybody is "carbons" some just have more modifications than others. It seems like the more advanturous your life is, the more likely you get augmented (barrel's face, the whole Bonne family)

Maybe to test this system we could set up a few characters as archtypes?

Sniper Joe
Proto
Mega

>>15667088
I like this idea. I also think "chassis" sounds good

Don't forget this is, megaman legends the one where human/robot hybrids are running around, exploring ancient ruins filled with eldritch machines.

The class names sound good also

>>15667235
We could probably even balance Chassis..es (chassii?) by price, with civilian stuff being cheap and letting more cash for other equipment purchases.

I'm guessing Rock had a pretty high grade one, as it was sturdy, mobile, and had pretty good built in firepower.

>>15667703
It seems we've got classes maybe chassis are an item? Literal body mods for players looking to specialize their characters

>>15667718
These are supposed to be instead of classes. There's very little point for those in this game (and you can just present them AS classes).

Bumping

So guys, actually I had an idea involving character creation that may or may not be practical.

If I recall this thread correctly from yesterday, we brought up the idea of a classless-classed. Someone else brought up the idea of a perk system to define character roles and abilities.

My idea provides some of the benefits of a classed system with the free-form ideals of a classless system as well as allowing characters to combine roles or specialize in their favorite areas.

Clearly nothing is in stone, but the idea is that at character gen a character selects three perks from a list, designating one of them as their primary perk or 'role'. This primary perk provides greater benefits than if it were selected as a secondary perk.

For example, lets take our classic Megaman Volnutt and give him the example perks "Digger", "Guardian" and the primary perk "Buster". The Digger perk would provide him with general spelunking abilities, possibly including the Reaverbot Lantern to detect enemies (making up for a poor perception). The Guardian perk provides him with added defenses, possibly including the life shield. Finally, his primary role as a Buster gives an ammo-less, upgrade-able megabuster and related abilites, generally reflecting his abilities as a running-gunning reaverbot/pirate destroying badass.

Of course, swapping the primary role to Guardian may result in a better defensive skill at the expense of the power/utility of the buster gun. Swapping to Digger would have similar benefits, including some utility abilites (radar-sweeps, proximity alerts, extended radio range, etc.)

Thoughts?

>>15666235
So far as I'm able to understand, the difference between carbons and robots are about the same as the differences between robots and humans. Carbons are synthetic lifeforms created as a replacement (intended to be temporary) for humans. Physical differences are minimal, except they are 'fake'.

There may be a few more differences, possibly disease resistance and durability, but they can be pretty much considered human from a crunch standpoint.

http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/07/can-100000-fans-revive-mega-man-legends.html

Legends never die /tg/

Just a bit of a bump before I go to sleep. I'll have more time to work on this come the weekend.

Alright we think we have the class basics put down. Here

http://z13.invisionfree.com/New_age_dawning/index.php?showtopic=16&st=0&#entry751443

From here I think we should be able to start the real work of it all

Alright so, attributes won't really budge once they're made up right? Its gear and the odd talent that will really effect them. So, how do we determine the attributes in the first place?

Any ideas for talents gentlemen?

>>15671163
Well, we've got 5 classes and 6-7 abilities, so maybe roll 2d6 and add the level in an class, having some abilities overlap, like Accuracy for Fighters and Pilots and so on?

>>15671695
souns like a good idea, or maybe have it that each class has bonuses to certain attributes which are determined by 2d6 rolled to get the baseline?

>>15671695
My bad, looked at >>15671043 and learned we have 6 abilities and 6 classes. Are we still doing the setup from >>15653222 or have we moved away from that?

>>15671811
We're using something along that line.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/New_age_dawning/index.php?showtopic=16

the class discussion thread, its a modified version of scripty's stuff, though for all I know deku is the master fabricator

>>15671781
Yeah, that would work better than what I thought, as classes would need multiple abilities to work.
How high numbers are we gonna go here by the way? If we do use 2d6, that makes starting stats from 2 - 12, so maybe have 15 or so as a cap starting out, classes adding at max 3 to an ability.
Also, we should make it so players can mulligan a bum score, replacing it with the average.

>>15671858
doesn't sound like a bad idea, though for some sick reason, I keep wanting to make this a 3D6 game. Also, guest posting is still active, It will be for the Dev section till the end of time gentlemen

>>15671830
Okay, sounds similar, though he doesn't explain how the points for classes are distributed. So basically what it looks like now is that class level and attributes would be pretty stable, barring item messing with them in one way or another and skills, talents and items would be the way to power up your character right?

>>15671912
pretty much yeah, and for points, I don't know to be honest. I'm better with fluff myself

>>15671933
Okay, then I'll stick with scripty's point distribution method then, making it 7 points for classes, your main choice starting off with two and the rest distributed as you please.
I'm not sure I like his attribute generation though, as it might bring up some hairy issues (like, what happens if a char with a 0 in endurance takes a hit?).

>>15672004
make it so the zero endurance doesn't happen set a min. value of lets say, two or three any lower and they can't do it?

Gentlemen, I'm making a new thread partly due to the huge size of this beast and also partly to refine things and get us back on track.
>>15672727

>>15669458

This is basically M&M in a nutshell. You choose perks that fortify your role in the party (think powerful feats from 3.x), then you buy everything else with points.

Points can buy,
-Ability scores, even to superhuman levels

-Skill points, for your tech heads, martial artists and socialites

-Powers, for your buster cannon and other neat weaponry (which can be mimicked by equipment), or more passive powers like being bionic or made out of goop (I'm looking at you Yellow Devil)

-Equipment, for your artifact users, mecha, robot dogs, home bases, traps, robot lairs, end-boss lairs, lightsabers, reflective capes, super vacuums, etc. Basically, if you can think it, it can become an equipment with a superpower(s).

The best part is, you play the entire game with one die.

The d20. That's it. Wounds, stunning, and maiming a la Warhammer.

Someone read the first couple chapters of the Mutants and Masterminds SRD, and you won't want to look back.