Become the bane of commoners.

What kind of cat?

(Also, not much. It seems cool and amusing, and it's certainly exploitable - but overall it is definitely a more limiting than empowering transformation. Perhaps your DM will allow you to become a Tibbit somehow; they are essentially Halflings that can freely shift into cat-form.)

>same stats

You're one godly cat, considering your Strength and Constitution.

Actually, you should be able to speak. Cats are physically capable of producing human language; they just lack the mental software to even attempt it. A person magically transformed into a cat, assuming you can still understand language at all, should have said software.

THE MOAR YOU KNOW.jpg

I would try to talk the GM into letting you be able to talk, but otherwise roll with it and enjoy massive Hide and Sneak bonuses.

Because we had someone turned into a rabbit, and it was actually pretty cool. However, not being able to talk is a serious issue, so that would make your form more of a drawback than anything else.

Depending on what skills you have, you should now be able to steal things very well.
No one should not ice or care that a cat is sneaking around, right?

How did this happen? Your DM try to justify this at all besides DM fiat?

>>15222762
Become a snarky-yet-helpful familiar for a talented magic-user with a lot of potential. Enjoy the lazy care-free life of a cat until the acolyte gains the ability to turn you back

>>15222728
>rogue turned into cat wat do?

Become a cat burglar, of course!

You're level 7 and you don't have anyone or anything that can turn you back?

Take Superior Natural attack (Or Improved, can't remember which) It's in several books, the only one I remember, however, is Races of Eberron. It increases the damage of your natural attack by 1 die size. Then, get magical enchantments on your claws, and wreck shit, like a boss.

>>15222778
Only works if the magic user is a teenage girl.

On the plus side, dem transformation sequences.

So... you just lost the capacity of speaking (with certain characters at least) and to use your "normal" equipment? (you can still use custom-made stuff).
As far as i can see you still can be useful. In fact, you should talk with the dm about the bonuses you'll be getting as a cat (maybe a bonus to move silently or something like that?). Just read the cat on the MM, add your stats and the lvls of rogue...
I'd totally play with that thing till recovering my form!

Just remember than, as a rogue, you can still make some nice damage with your sneak attack (use your natural attacks for that). Not to mention you'll be sneaky as a ghost.
You are still smart so you should start by writting something on the ground to talk with your partners. First you'll need a way to talk with people so get a magic ring (bracelet for you) that allows you to use telepathy or something like that.
Then just play your rogue as always, just gather enough money to get the custom made equip.

>>15222728
>>15222762

Gather other like-minded cats to your side. Become familiars to powerful wizards.

Then become the grand spymastercat whose underlings form a network that can yield secrets about over a thousand magic-users.

On a more serious note, you can probably act as the team scout more often than not. Do they need to hear stuff that's going on? Just act like a cat and go near the house or near any possible targets that might be chatting about vital information. You're just a cat after all, nobody's going to suspect that you're a spy unless they're really paranoid (or if you get into a really secret area).

Murder millions of Level 1 Commoners. And cough up hairballs.

Get some levels in MAGIC and become the Cheshire Cat.

become god emporer of catkind

>>15222762
Bullshit, cats don't have the apparatus to speak human language. You don't get human-equivalent vocal chords on an animal with no selective pressure for communicative speech.

Max rank balance and then balance on people's heads to annoy them. If you can get inflicted with lycanthropy from the weretiger, have party members throw you at the enemy and then shift to weretiger form in mid air. A tiger falling on you hurts anyone.

the most hilarious sight ever is a housecat that jumps onto your lap and then changes into a tiger.

>>15222800
Agreed
OP, your path is clear
You must find your Kiki

>>15222822
This. Learn to trollface.

>>15222797
>wreck shit, like a boss.

Steal magic rings (LIKE A BOSS)
Enchanted claw-sheaths (LIKE A BOSS)
Scout like crazy (LIKE A BOSS)
Fuck everything in heat (LIKE A BOSS)
Sleep in backpacks (LIKE A BOSS)
Never need a mount (LIKE A BOSS)
Too small to hit (LIKE A BOSS)
Fall from stupid heights (LIKE A BOSS)
Find BBEG (LIKE A BOSS)
Shit in his shoes (LIKE A BOSS)

etc, etc.

>>15222784
there is a special place in hell for people like you.

it did make me laugh though.

>>15222752
A tabby cat, like the one pictured.

>>15222762
THANK YOU SO MUCH

>>15222772
I touched a gem that I shouldn't have, crit-failed a save, so the change is permanent.

>>15222797
Useful.

>>15222809
VERY useful.

My stats, for those who care to see them:

STR 16
DEX 18
CON 14
INT 11
WIS 11
CHA 9

>>15222911
I didn't laugh out loud, but it did give me paws for thought.

Well... the MM says that a cat gets:

Special: Scent, Low-Light vision
Skills:
+4 to Hide, Climb and move silently
+8 to Jump and Balance
They use their dex mod instead of the str one for climb and jump.
In tall grass or underground the hide bonus increases to +8.

Sounds good for a Rogue

>>15222926

No shit. Dude, you just got a boon. You need a magical item that confers telepathy and you're fucking set. Prepare to become a god-level rogue.

>>15222832
Parrots manage to imitate human language without any vocal cords at all. Cats have two.

It'll sound weird, of course, and there would probably be some sounds that a cat's vocalization equipment just couldn't make at all, but if you stick a human mind and brain structure into a cat you should be able to reproduce human language well enough to be understood.

>>15222926
Dohoho. Our DM is a tough bastard, and I'm pretty sure he's wagering on me re-rolling... this has solidified my decision not to.

>>15222923
THE PUNS
THEY BURN

>>15222913
>>15222843
Go to your DM and demand a sidequest where you scour the lands for the next magic messiah.

>>15222913

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm

Your hide should be around +22, your move silently at +16. That is without gear.

The thing is, because you turned into a cat, you have become the God of thieves. You can sneak like no others and pass as just another cat.

Remember that with skills, a nat 1 is not a natural failure, so you are looking at 17 move silently AT LEAST

>>15222977

I had 8 points in both of those skills previous to this.

Suddenly, I don't want to go back.

>>15222984
>level 7 Rogue
>8 points in Hide and Move Silently
Why.jpg

Also, how would I go about having my PC's claws enchanted? I'm sure we'd need more than just a blacksmith to do that.

get some handwrappings that up your natural attack, turn yourself into a living weapon

>>15222991

Because that's all I needed.

I'm going to put a great deal more in now, because those are about to become much more important to me.

captcha: variety meowslow

>>15222728

>I can no longer speak, or use equipment
>or use equipment

Bullshit.

I think you need some sort of neck-scarf (possibly red), it's more rogue-like than a collar.

>>15223001

That's probably going to be expensive...

BUT I WANT IT SO BAD

Anyone have that picture of the heavily scarred alleycat? I think it was a motivational about leveling off of commoners.

Get custom armor and metal claw things made.
Fuck everything up,

>>15223012
>expensive
>you're a rogue

You... actually pay for things?

DOES NOT COMPUTE

>>15223033

>Chaotic Good

I try not to be TOO much of a dick.

Also, our Paladin would kill me. Thievery is worthy of death in her eyes.

>>15223040

>2 Claws (1d2-4)
>1 Bite (1d3-4)
>-4

Unlike a cat though, he has a +3 strength modifier.

>>15222992

A druid should suffice

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/permanency.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magicFang.htm

>>15222926

Tiny Size Modifiers:

+2 to AC and AB
-8 to Grapple and Break stuff
+8 to Hide (the bonus of the cat said it was a racial one... so you'll be having a +12 to hide just because you are a cat and a +16 if you are in tall grass or underground. Add your ranks and stat bonus to that and not even Sauron will find you.)
You still have to have in the same square than an enemy to attack and that provokes an attack of oportunity. Don't worry, spend some nice ranks in tumble and fly over your enemies.

Oh and you'll be getting the nat attack of course:

2 Claws (1d2-4)
1 Bite (1d3-4)

You might want to spend some feats and magic into that but you'll be wasting some resources in damage you can easily get with your sneak attack.
Remember to enchant yourself with magic fang to be a +5 Cat.

In the long run, not using equipment will be crippling, so get some specially made. Lords of Madness also has a mouth pick you could use, but scaling it down would probably leave it on a par with your natural attacks. I'd suggest just getting as many attacks as possible and using sneak attack. On the other hand, you can't enchant your paws so wear little gauntlets or something.

"Here, kitty-kitt-OH GODS MY FACE!!!"

>>15223053

yeah, i forgot that.

>>15223061

>On the other hand, you can't enchant your paws so wear little gauntlets or something.

>>15223047
Kill pally who's being a fag. Proceed to gear up.

>>15223081
That always seems cruel to me. I don't really understand why people do it to their pets.

You know I think I've seen that cat somewhere before.....but where?

>>15222832

Well, here's five seconds on google;

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-dogs-can-talk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_animal#Cats

I think there's at least grounds for a very slurred form of human speech.

>>15223091
to protect there pink and soft little pads.

Hey, by the way. Can't he get a right with polymorph or something?
His true form would still be a cat but nobody cares about that if, functionally, he's a human.

>>15223053

Nevermind the natural weapon damage. If someone casts Superior invisibility, he'll have no trouble doing 4d6 x 3 (12d6) of SNEAK ATTACK DAMAGE. Fucking ignore your 1d2 and 1d3s, SA is where it's at

>>15223111
The lack of enchantment is, as people have said, a major problem though. He has bonus damage, but he could use a way to hit ethereal things, nice magic effects and a boost to hitting.

you'll never have to worry about rations again, (as long as you're in a fairly decent eco-system.)

>>15223114


see

>>15223055

Also, armor for a tiny nonhumanoid cost the same as armor for a medium humanoid, so just get some Glamored Armor (so that it looks liek you aren't wearing armor) and get it to have magic pockets of some kind, so you can steal significantly more than your fuzzy paws can carry.

Also, getting a hand of the mage would be a good idea, so you can pick things up and put them away without your DM calling feline.

>>15223122

Yeah, but he wouldn't be able to add other nice things to his attack.
Maybe he should get some gloves or something to get enchanted.

>>15223033
I am not guessing roguecat is going to find that made specifically for him. He'd have to convince someone to make it for him, which entails paying for it up front.

See if they can rig up some kind of crossbow harness that you can activate with your tail or something, while they're at it.

I just realized I can't draw cats.

>>15222913
>Touched a gem that I shouldn't have
>Transformed into cat

Your DM must be playing Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light

mmm you could use the Arcane Trickster prestige class.

>>15223138
I can't even begin to tell you how implausible this would be. Trying to prep the crossbow to fire by tail strength alone...

>>15223138
Epic cat.

>>15222963
What? Are we punishing you?

Remember, you have reach 0, so please, please, please remember to take spring attack. As an animal you also get access to multiattack, so take that too.

If you can, get a level of shadowdancer. Hide in Plain Sight is brilliant when you are tiny.

>>15223040
>not even Sauron will find you
Hahahaha
>>15223012
>>15223001
I agree, the size modifier for equipment cost is in the Equipement section of the PHB. It only costs 2x for the initial armor value (which is pocket change for leather armor). What you want(since your dex mod is going to be rediculous) is Thistledown Padded Armor from RoW. It will cost you 960 gp for a masterwork set for a cat, and then your max dex mod is +10. Trust me, this is as high a dex mod as your character can get while still wearing armor.

ok, I should probably read the thread before posting, but, fuck, beeing a cat rogue is the best idea ever.

Everyone will be flatfooted, you get awesome dex and hiding boni, you are a tiny animal to get hit, evasion will be easy as pie, and honestly, you get a full attack with three attacks at level 7. Not even your fighter can reach that.

cats rape wizards on level one, and you are a level 7 backstabing cat out of hell. Go and make profit with this

>>15223138
How about he has a small canon mounted to his back that is fired by pulling on a string tied to the ignition near his mouth, similar in a way to Guts' arm canon. For good measure, a repeating crossbow should also be mounted on top of the canon, so the cat can become GUTS CAT, CAT GOD-KING OF THIEVES AND BATTLE.

>>15223161

>I can't even begin to tell you how implausible this would be. Trying to prep the crossbow to fire by tail strength alone...

This cat has 16 STRENGTH MOTHERFUCKER, He ain't gotta explain SHIT.

i'm still thinking.
Should he go full "i hide and sneak attack" classes?
Cause, someone with the difficulties of a cat to handle stuff could use some spellcasting. Besides, he should need a backup plan if he faces a creature immune to sneak attack.

>>15223193
First: Good point.

Second: This is now my next Wizard's familiar.

>>15223201
THE FEARED AND RESPECTED DIRE DRAGON-CAT

>>15223198
He's playing 3.5, so he just needs to pump UMD into the stratosphere and acquire some scrolls or wands.

>>15222913
>STR 16
>DEX 18
>CON 14
>INT 11
>WIS 11
>CHA 9

>STR higher then INT
I'm sorry, but you have no idea how to pay a rogue

>>15223231
You have never worked with a rogue if paying one seemed fair.

Sneak into the BBEG's place and mark your territory all over his books of summoning.

Then steal the breath of his baby sacrifice.

>>15223231
Rogues get tons of skill points, so while it's often a good idea to bump Int and get all the essential ones, it's not terrible to skimp on it. They get a fairly minor bonus from strength, but who cares? It's not an unplayable statline.

If you keep the same ability scores, as you have said, there aren't a whole lot of downsides to being a cat. No speaking, but you can meow, and anyone with a cat can tell you how expressive meows can be. Also you can purr. It will be really tough to use tools, so Open Lock and Disable Device just got a whole lot tougher, but I'm sure you can find videos on YouTube of cats using those skills. Low damage dice with natural weapons, but you're a rogue. Three natural attacks, each potentially adding 4d6 damage sounds pretty good. The hardest problem to get around is provoking opportunity attacks when you enter an enemy's space.

And, as has been said, hugely improved stealth and movement skills, low profile, plus doing cat things. There are a lot worse things that could have happened to you.

Just remember to come back and tell your friends at /tg/ all about your awesome cat adventures.

>>15223138

Eh, that shit's going to slow him down too much. I mean, what's a cat's carrying capacity, ten pounds? He'll have to let the rest of the party handle ranged combat.

I'm sorry, masterwork enchanted repeating crossbow. And as for pulling the trigger with your tail: yeah, 16 strength. Stronger by far than most humans. This cat don't gotta explain shit.

>>15223040
His damage bonus is going to be +3 because he keeps his strength of 16 instead of cat's 3. So adding sneak attack no need to up his damage. Just choose a way to overcome the AoO for entering creatures square

>>15222913
>DEX 18
>CHA 9
"herp derp i can be a rogue cuz liek high dexturrity derpin"

No, son, those are the stats of an ugly ass Ranger, not a Rogue.

>>15223231

>Implying you can't play a rogue like an uneducated thug.

>>15223264
>implying that Int wouldnt imply "street smarts" in that scenario, which any thug fending for himself would have

>>15223256
this cat

has

a strength score

of sixfuckingteen

>>15223256

>I mean, what's a cat's carrying capacity, ten pounds?

Not with 16 god damned strength it isn't.

>>15223256
Well he could get a bag of holding, and have all his items mithral (which would be cheap because he would be a tiny creature)

>>15223183
>Thistledown Padded Armor
That's not how you spell Mithral chain shirt.

>>15223061
Amulet of Mighty Fists. It costs more than an equivalent magic weapon, but it applies to all natural attacks.

>>15223276
Not all Rogues need to have an above-average Int or Cha. Get over yourself, and stop telling people they're having fun the wrong way.

>>15223276

>"street smarts"

That would fall under Wisdom.

Not that he has very high wisdom either, but my statement stands.

>>15223297
A Rogue has always been defined as a rebellious, cunning thief. If you're going to fill the role of Rogue BY THE 3.5e PHB, then do it right. Otherwise your Rogue is fucked from the beginning.

>>15223305
street smarts like macgyver status could fall under int tho, right?

>>15223252
>Just remember to come back and tell your friends at /tg/ all about your awesome cat adventures.

Motherfuckin' this.

>>15223294

This. I just got into a high level Pathfinder game, playing an alchemist. Amulet of Mighty Fists with Holy, Bane, Flaming, and Shock. You've got a maximum of five points to work with if you want effects, or simply +5 (or whatever your gold allotment will allow you to have made, assuming the GM allows it).

>>15222832
Have you never heard cats? They have an extremely complex system of sounds, and some cats love to use them all. My Siamese just won't shut up, especially when there are lady cats outside. You can talk to him in "cat-speech" and he will talk back. He'll talk to the TV, the dogs, and the birds outside, with different sounds for each. I have no doubt that he could emulate most English phonemes if he felt like it... though combining certain sounds (like "s" with a vowel) would probably be awkward.

>>15223318
Except that it's a fucking roleplaying game! If your only concern is stat builds, then play a vidya game (or find a group that agrees with you, to be fair). Stop telling people the right and wrong way to build/play their character.

>>15223318

>If you're going to fill the role of Rogue BY THE 3.5e PHB

I don't recall the OP saying he was trying to do this anywhere in the thread.

>>15223263
You all are retarded. Those are stats for a medium sized creature. When you go from medium to small size your dex goes up by 2. On the down side, your str goes down by 4, unless DM says otherwise.

>>15223318
>>15223351
In fact, I think the very opposite can be taken by the fact that, when I look at the Rogue in the 3.5e PHB, I do not see a cat.

>>15223357

The DM seems to have ruled that his stats remain exactly the same.

>but I have the same stats that I had before this happened

>>15223357
According to the OP, his stats didn't change.

A bit more INT would be nice to have, though, if only because more skill points are never a bad thing when you're a 3.x Rogue.

>>15222913
>CHA 9
>Rogue

OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

>>15223344
There've been a couple times that I'd just stand there "talking" back and forth with my cat. I am rather curious as to what the fuck he thought I was saying. Probably hooah, oorah or waagh

a strength score of 16 on a tiny quadruped means this can can lug around 57 pounds as a LIGHT load.

Let me just make that clear. This housecat can carry half of a human being around with it and not even break a sweat. A heavy load for this cat is from 115.5 to 172.5 pounds.

>>15223357
>still has the strength of a average human
Yeah, Evil is fucked

>>15223361
As a rogue, you spend all of your fights hiding in the shadows until you can stab some dude in the back rather than actually getting stuck in like everyone else.

I submit that a rogue is already the biggest pussy imaginable.

>>15223380
Stop being a insipid, shit-spreading fuck please.

>>15223386

Well, actually, 16 is significantly above average for a human.

I'm gonna keep posting cats until OP's cat is fully optimized.

guys, there is a difference between a rouge and a skillmonkey.

a skillmonkey maxes int.

anyway, it could pay off, now, that he is a cat, he will need certainly less skills than before.

get magic fangs. If, and thats only IF you have a ranger/druid in your group, get him to adopt you as his animal companion.

unlike the wizard, this has no downsides for you, you dont lose exp when he dies and essentially your HP and stuff only improve (instead of getting half the HP of a d4 class, brrrr).

So, yeah. Get a druid. If necessary take the feat leadership and get that druid as a follower like 2 levels under you, that will still give you boni like shit and actually make you stronger seeing as he will go lenghts to buff you (maybe he believes you are his catsiah or something) and he will have the necessary spells to make you into a raging killer machine.

And if you arent convinced by now, go and look up avatar of nature, I thnk thats the spell, in the spell compendium. And then use that shit on you.

also, remember to announce that your druid casts cats grace on a cat, and that you are now infinitycat

>>15223380

>Implying rogues have to be social

wait, guys.
The Dashing Rogue has become a cat.
and no one has bothered to make a Puss In Boots joke?

>>15223399
Thought the change made it 12-ish?
either way, that is one strong cat
OP, you should try getting some sort of tail blade, or trying to work with poison?

>>15223239
>>15223249
BUT HE HAS A FUCKING STRENGTH SCORE OF 16

this is how it should have been
STR 11
DEX 18
CON 11
INT 16
WIS 11
CHA 14

the low STR in combat is delt with by getting Weapon Finesse, and out of combat by buying a FUCKING BAG OF HOLDING

There might another way out of your situation OP, and it comes from the Pun-Pun build, get someone to manipulate form you to be able to speak and have opposable thumbs (so you can use weapons), or you could just re-roll a Pun-Pun and ruin the DMs campaign for turning you into a cat

How do you plan on handling relationships with other cats, OP?

>>15223433

>>15223424
He's not a dashing rogue with charisma 9. He's more like a thug.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, I'm just saying that's not the kind of character he's built.

Why do common housecats have CHA 7? Cats are adorable. Whoever wrote that must have been a dog person.

>>15223456
He doesn't have to, he has 16 STR and 18 DEX

>>15223433
>Complains about a mediocre stat distribution
>Suggests making Pun-Pun to fix it
You are That Guy.

>>15223433

>THIS IS HOW I WOULD HAVE PLAYED YOUR CHARACTER AND MY OPTIMIZATION IS THE ONLY RIGHT ONE

let me guess, you are one of that guys that bitch at the cleric when his con is higer than his cha because HOW IS HE SUPPOSED TO TURN WITH ONLY 12 CHA

get over it, this is a game where people try to have fun not outpower each other

>>15223456
i am also curious about this...does the transformation also allow you to understand feline communications or do you have to learn it like a new language?

>>15223433

>>15223456
he wins.
the end.

>>15223476
Like Turn Undead is worth shit beyond DMM anyway.

>>15223415
>derp make yourself druid animal companion
Yeah, there's one problem with that asshat, intelligent beings can't be animal companions.

>>15223468
Ultra Low Charisma = ultimate shy wallflower
Ultra High Charisma = Hitler and such

High Cha doesn't mean cute, low Cha doesn't mean ugly (unless you think mind flayers and ghasts are cute)

At some point you need to pay a Bar Wench to stroke you, or just jump on their laps and they'll do it for free.

Cats get all the Women.

A guy in my group is currently using a rogue with less charisma than a rat, but to even this out none of his other stats are below 13.

It's a shame he's our THAT GUY in Omega mode.

>>15223507
>>Hitler
Godwin's Law, nigga.

>>15223474
No, I suggested re-rolling Pun-Pun because the DM turned him into a cat

And yes, I have done that before, the DM killed my character and I re-rolled a Pun-Pun, the next hour was me destroying his entire campaign, needless to say he never thought about killing of my character again

>>15223523
>How dare you kill my super special snowflake, I demand he be invincible a bloohoohoo.

>>15223507
Mind flayers ARE cute!

>>15223468
because charisma is NOT the look of people. A guy can have cha 18 and be everything but handsome. No biggie, its his way to move, to act, and to speak what makes his charisma show, things that make you go hey, he seems like an honest and nice guy.

Cats dont give a shit about that. They literally dont care if you are interested in them. If not, they will make you interested. You dont own them, you rented a room in their house and you are lucky if your rent is only food, water and as much cuddling as the cat demands.

But would you follow a cat into a dark alley? Would you be convinced it would not eat your food if you ignored that plate with the fish on it for five minutes?

No. Cats dont need high charisma, because they dont need to bluff. And they know that, and they know that you know that and you will still love them.

Cats are assholes.

>>15223523

>>15223514
Its only Godwin's Law when you compare your opponent to Hitler.

>>15223523
>someone says you're being That Guy by suggesting rolling Pun-Pun for revenge
>Argue you're not, provide an example of you rolling Pun-Pun for even stupider and less justified reasons as counter-evidence
You are That Guy.

>>15223510
>Paying bar wenches
>Cat rogue

hahaha, no, that shit's for free

>>15223476
>thinks I dont know how to play Cleric
noobs pump CHA, and even bigger noobs dump it

it should be a middle stat for a Cleric, WIS is what you should be pumping as a cleric

>>15223539
as a cat owner, I approve of this message.

>>15223523

Pun Pun only works due to one following the Rules As Written when the Rules As Intended are obvious to everyone (specifically, not losing the abilities gained by Manipulate Form). Any GM would shut down Pun Pun simply because it only works when people are being deliberately obtuse.

>>15223523
>DM killed my character
did he kill your character? or did your character get killed?
huge difference

Roleplaying tip, Cat OP: overtime your character might pick up the habits/mannerisms of a cat.

>>15223578
make sure you emphasis sitting infront of ALL THE FUCKING PARTY MEMBERS when you decide to clean yourself.
especially your privates.
like a real cat.

>>15223546
The DM justified me playing Pun-Pun, he just randomly killed my character off (for no reason), and when I asked him why he gave me the "I AM THE DM, I AM GOD" kinda speech (he was a major douche)

Normally I wouldn't even consider Pun-Pun and would have just re-rolled a normal class, but this time the DM deserved it

>>15223546
>>15223533

Oh you guys, he's got you hooked.

>>15223565
He killed it, he made a magical lightning bolt strike me (we weren't in an encounter), DC50 Fort save followed by DC50 Will save (we were like lvl 7 so there was no way I was going to make those saves), bolt kills by character and destroys his soul (so no rez)

All because I managed to kill one of the main evil guys far before he intended us to

OP, you are now able to get the best, cheapest, harmless, even healthy, drug there is:

catnip. Its GOOD for cats for christs sake. Downsides, it works only on cats that way. The good news is, you are one! And it doesnt even make you addicted, its proven that cats cant get addicted to the shit. Its like sex for them, they will not say no, they will enjoy it very much, but when its over, they will move on

>>15223651
alternatively, watch out for your DM using this to trap you.

For our last beer and pretzels dungeon crawl my DM let me run a Lawful Evil cat Cleric. I kicked in a door and sat on some dudes heads. Shit was so cash.

>>15223648
ok, please continue to explain. Did you just randomly murder a guy that seemed suspicious? because in that case the lighning was from a god that hoped for a good show and you deserved it.

We will keep questioning you until you told the story, man. You need a good explantation to play pun-pun, so start typing

>>15223651
he can't get physically addicted to it but he could still develop a mental addiction and get bonus roleplaying experience

>>15223677
with the exception that cats can actually shake off the effects willingly if irritated, you mean?

SOMEONE GET OVER HERE, I NEED FLANKING

>>15223697
I just think that it might give the enemy a turn to get the drop on him and restrain him whilst he's on a high.

There's no harm in being careful, like the DM may say it's magical extra strong catnip, which as dickish as it sounds, could potentially be pulled on OP.

>>15223715
>rogue attacking from the front
now i'm just confused

>>15223690
only in a way you can get addicted to sex.

So, quite possibly since this doesnt involve another person

and could be hilarious

"YOU DID WHAT WITH ALL OUR LOOT?"
"Bought a farm"
"You dont even have hands!"
"So? thats why I hired workers"
"What crops do you even... goddamnit, ok, you either pay an alchemist to make that shit useable by humans, or pay a wizard to write up a few polymorph scrolls, if that shit is that good you better damn well share"

>>15223730
Obviously he missed on his sneak attack from hiding. Now he's requesting someone to help him flank.

>>15223688
No, we knew who he was, the DM had planned for him to get away on a boat filled with is goons but I managed to kill him before that

Then as we were returning to report to the guy who hired us he killed me

>>15223739
Haha I can see my gaming group doing that too.

You know, at first this seemed like a pretty dick move on the DM's part, but now it seems pretty cool.

Assuming there's a workaround for the speech problem.

rolled 62 = 62

>>15223715

Flanking is for pussies!

>>15223739
that's the kind of thing i was going for. his body doesn't start needing it to function and he won't have withdrawls, but people can be addicted to anything. hell i think someone made a documentary about WoW addicts.

>>15223762
sorry if this starts to bother you, but how exactly did this happen?

was this a screw up escape plan the DM had that just didnt work out or did you do... something you shouldnt have (if not in your eyes, maybe the DMs?)

>>15223762
Seems like you might have been way outside the tier he was intending on DMing. Were you, by any chance, a wizard, optimized, or some other variety of broken?

>>15223762
We had something similar happen in our last session. The DM gave us bonus XP for managing to kill the guy early. Maybe you just need to find a DM who doesn't suck donkeyballs.

>>15223779
He was going to make him escape on like 10hp, but I got a lucky crit and killed him
>>15223780
I was a warblade, that's not exactly broken
>>15223781
He was a stupid fuck, we have a new DM now who is awesome

>>15223772

FUCK YEAH

>>15223810
but that cat is clearly a first level barbarian that just used up his daily rage

>>15223809
Carry on citizen, by I've got my eye on you

>mfw I just realized the possibilities in running an all animals game
I think some one on /tg/ actually stated a lot of household pets already(corgi comes to mind)

i found op

>>15223909
here he is again

>>15223871

Cutest campaign ever.

Yeah, there's a picture of some humanoid corgi race that someone statted up.

>I can no longer speak, or use equipment, but I have the same stats that I had before this happened, and I can use all of my skills.
Oh, the hell you can't use equipment. Op, you now have two sets of arms. Set all of your old shit and rack up some Natural armor gear. Bracers for your legs, rings galore for your tail. Fuck balance chance, you're a goddamned cat, that shit is through the roof by default.

Next, get someone to craft you some weapons. Ever seen that movie about talking owls that fly and fight other talking owls? Get some leg-mounted knives.One per leg, one on the tail, and, fuck it, wield one in your mouth. That's 10 fucking weapons, man. Ever seen One Piece? You're One Pussie, fuck Zorro.

Next, rally some of the smarter cats. This is after you get a ring that lets you speak man-tongue. Where do you put it? On your gem studded collar, you feline-pimp. Use the cats as informants, make people pay out the ass, but not as much as a wizard. Have them run heists, not even a half-mad wizard will believe he was just robbed by the same creatures that filled his beach-side demiplane full of hairballs and cat turds. Then, finally, you find that weretiger, and you show that bitch who the top-cat is in this town. Beat his ass to a pulp and make him clean your litter box.


If you follow these steps, OP, the DM will have no choice but to turn you back into a human. Why? Because you're too goddamned awesome, that's why.

> I was not a plot-central character, soI have the option of re-rolling, but I want to have some fun with this.
You are now.

Hey /tg/, just got back from speaking for a bit with the othe players and my DM. Here's how this shit's going down.

1. My DM is keeping all my stats the same, 'due to the nature of the gem' or something like that.

2. I can speak, though only short sentences.

3. I am allowed to redistribute my skills and feats.

4. The change is absolutely permanent, and touching the gem again will cause me to change into something else... which I don't want at this point.

5. The DM raged, because he was sincerely hoping I would re-roll a new PC.

90 skill points, 4 feats. Tell me how to make this shit go down in /tg/ history.

Size/Type: Tiny Animal
Hit Dice: As Class
Initiative: As Class
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: +2 size
Base Attack/Grapple: +2/-6 (+Str)
Attack: Claw +4 melee (1d2+str)
Full Attack: 2 claws melee (1d2+str) and bite melee (1d3+str)
Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft.
Special Attacks: —
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent
Saves: As Class
Abilities: -8 Str +4 Dex
Skills: +4 to Hide, Climb and move silently
+8 to Jump and Balance
They use their dex mod instead of the str one for climb and jump.
In tall grass or underground the hide bonus increases to +8.

Recomend Feats Improved Natural Attack, Rapid Strike(Make Iterative Attacks with natural weapons)

>>15223972
The best possible advice I can give you is: do not ask /tg/ for optimisation advice. People still debate that casters are stronger than fighters, seriously, on this board. Someone in this thread suggested making Pun-Pun with a straight face.

/tg/ might be passable, but 4chan is still the worst of the internet. Go to a forum, make a post, and ask them for character advice. In terms of optimisation, Brilliant Gameologists or Giant in the Playground would be decent places to go. GitP will be more friendly to this request.

>>15224000
The fuck?
Did you even read this goddamed thread? There is plenty of actual and good advice here already.

>>15224000

Nice trips.

Now shut the fuck up and move to the side.

>>15223972
OK, for starters what books are you allowed

How did it happen, OP?

I'd say put at least 12 points in tumble so you can do a bunch of crazy twisting around the map moves

Also, it would let you move around without taking a bunch of AoOs

>>15224039
No, there's some okay advice which I have contributed to. It's the complete truth, /tg/ is not very good at actual character optimisation. People recommend poor and good options all over the place, and many people just ask how until someone dumps a bunch of copypasta. See: the eternal 'How do I make a good Bard?' question.

Okay.

Your DM has no idea of the hand he just dealt you.

You can still wear belts, amulets, rings and hats.

Get an amulet of mage hand, and a light repeating crossbow. Have a harness made so you can attach the crossbow to your back. Use the amulet of mage hand to reload it.

Grab some gear to up your stealth skills, move silently, hide, etc.

Then, be the perfect assassin/sniper. Nobody will ever know what hit them, and you'll be able to infiltrate and sneak like a pro.

Crossbow cat comes to kill you in your sleep.

Get dodge, mobility, and spring attack so your enemies can't hit you unless they have a ranged weapon, also get a good tumble so you can't be hit by attacks of opportunity when running away

>>15224049
Pretty much all of them.

>>15224052
"So, what are you rerolling as?"
"I'm not."
"...what?"
"I'm gonna stay as a fucking cat."
"...god DAMMIT. Why can't you people ever let me run a simple campaign?"

>>15224054
Max 10 points in anything at this point.

>>15224067
I can get the stuff made, and I can afford it, though it won't be immediate.

Get nimble fingers and try to persuade your DM to let you pick locks with your claws because of the feat

>>15224106

Sure, then put 10 points in tumble

a 15 tumble check allows you to move at half speed, but not be affected by AoOs

>>15224106
ok, get a master smith/clock maker (any one who can make intricate gears) make make your self some kitty sized retractable blades for your front paws, Assasians creed style. and also give your self plenty of armor to strap magical shit to

>>15224067
nobody will ever notice a cat with a CROSSBOW STRAPPED TO ITS BACK.

>>15224115
Ring of Lockpicking. +10 to the skill, and you do not need tools other than the ring, as the ring does it for you.

>>15224143
It's not about not being noticed, it's about sticking to dark places and moving silently. You shouldn't ever be SEEN as a cat, let alone noticed.

Also, have a grapple hook for the crossbow. For obvious reasons.

>>15224143

>Implying they will live long enough to notice

>>15224066
Well, since I think OP is just trying to have a fun and interesting experience with the hand he was dealt rather than be a tricked out powergamer I think the optimization advice is perfectly suitable. So whatever. You might get more to the point elsewhere but at least here you have fun.

Holy shit it's like Catsassins Creed up in here

>>15224143
>hide
no one sees you
>disguise
everyone now thinks you're an unarmed cat

Use Magical Devices. It's a no-brainer for anybody who can't already use them via class features.

Bluff, for skill synergy and so that people focus on "oh, what a cute kitty!" and not "wait, why is it running away with my purse?"

Jump, for obvious reasons.

All the Dex-related skills too. Sleight of Hand, Escape Artist, Climb, Balance, Hide, Move Silently. And Ride. Because it would be goddamn hilarious.

Take ranks in Swim. Because absolutely nobody will expect it.

>>15224067
I love this idea. You could also use a hand crossbow for more concealment. The main damage will be coming from the sneak attack anyway.

You'll also need some kind of grapple bolt, because it would be fucking awesome. With a grappling hook, there would be nowhere the catassin could not venture to fulfill it's objective.

>>15224067
Why not just use your claws to give your victim a good old-fashioned Glasgow smile?

Poisons, poisons everywhere

get max ranks in Tumble, Sleight of Hand, Climb, Balance, Hide, Move Silently, Jump, Bluff, UMD, Spot, and Listen

As a tiny creature (or is it small) you should get a good bonus to DEX, and as a cat you get +6 Climb, +10 Balance, +14 Hide (AWWWW YEA), +6 Move Silently, and +10 Jump, as well as +3 Spot and Listen

>>15224250
Because then you would need to be in melee range.

Cats may be agile, but they aren't the most durable things because they can't wear proper armour.

Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (repeating light crossbow)

10 points in each of these:
Hide
Move Silently
Climb
Jump
Tumble
Open Lock
Disable Device
Balance
Escape Artist

Within 4 days, I can have cat-mail made (enchanted to +2 w/ Freedom of Movement), along with an armor-mounted repeating light crossbow of sonic +1, an amulet of magehand, and a ring of lockpicking (+10 to LP). All this is going to out me 10,000 gold after selling my now-useless human equipment.

OP, there's a third-party book called Noble Wild. It's about playing as animals. Like, being a type of naturally occuring awakened animal, and taking class levels and etcetera. There's both a 3.5 and a Pathfinder version.

Get the 3.5, convince your DM to let you swap out you race to the cat one, losing previous racial bonuses, gaining new one. Flip out skill you can't use without hands to counterparts - ie sleight of hand becomes deft of jaw.

Speak only in feline. If you level, and have a wizard in your party, take the language of that familiar's species, and communicate through them to the wizard, and thus the party.

Roll with it. Try and convince your DM to drop some of the magic items equivalents (that you get by eatting your opponents and trying to make a save check to ingest their magic). This will either turn out pretty cool, or he'll turn you back to get out of dealling with two seperate systems overlapping.

>>15224287
Wait, do you get to keep your natural bonuses as a cat? the +4 climb, hide, and move silently, plus the +8 jump and balance, all racial? Also, low-light vision and scent?

>>15224313

My DM already deals with a dozen or so books at the same time. I don't think I want to push my luck by adding another to that list.

>>15224333

Yes, I'm getting those. My attributes will remain untouched, though.

Why would anyone even want to be a human when they could be a cat?

I think this thread needs to be archived for future cat-player reference

I vote for the crossbow idea.

>>15224287
why sonic?

>>15224106
I meant the "stuck as cat" bit.

>>15224354
Cats and repeating crossbows just go together so well, don't you agree?

>>15224000
This is very true.

Brilliant Gameologists is much, much more competent than Giant In the Playground. You're right that GitP is much friendlier, but this time would be a good time to ask BG, because a significant portion of them really want to play as cats. It's really high up on the "things we never get to do" list for a lot of them.

>>15224335
So you are still a lvl X rogue, just now a cat?

Wow, this is like multiclassing but not shit

>>15224359

Because

1. it's an extra 1d6 damage

2. so few things are immune to sonic damage

This is one of those rare instances where critical failure results in FUCK AWESOME.

>>15224393
Sonic. On a rogue.

Best hope your DM doesn't slap on a bunch of penalties for using move silently with it.

>>15224352
You really should learn to do this for yourself:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15222728/

>>15224342
Related?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfdL7k136co

>>15224412

Only when the bolts strike do they actually create a significant noise.

>>15223972
Hahaha, this will be awesome

>>15223871
>I think some one on /tg/ actually stated a lot of household pets already(corgi comes to mind)
Got any links to good stories in the archives on this subject? It sounds like there would be good ones.

>>15224412
Move Silently is for getting into position. Sonic is to ensure that you blow the target's head off during the surprise round.

Besides, a good sniper moves after each shot if the option to do so is available.

>>15224412

The sonic isn't active until he commands it to activate

But yeah, you should try acid instead of sonic

>>15224442
I was hoping someone else would...
if nothing else, to get more of these type of pictures

>>15224430
still, imagine a bunch of bandits chilling out in some dank dungeon. one of them is reading by torchlight, another one is sharpening his knife by the fire, someone's keeping watch by the entrance.

Which is better, if the spotter suddenly and noiselessly melts from sneak attack/acid damage, or if there's suddenly a loud noise and everyone jumps up and looks around and instantly sees the dead guy and probably wonders what that cat is doing over there with a crossbow strapped to its back?

see if you can get another pelt to wrap over the crossbow and armor, so in the dark you'd look like a cat with a tumor.

>>15224446

I think I'll be keeping the sonic damage. It's nice.

More news: the Paladin, who would normally kill me for being an 'abomination' (or something like that; she has this idiotic EVERYTHING MUST BE PURE AND GOOD deity), is now unable to do so. Her player tried to, but failed a will save, and is unable to attack me because 'the sheer adorableness' is preventing her from even thinking of hurting me.

>>15224494
You know what you must do.

>>15224484
Refluff it as bursts of silence instead, paying extra for the bolts if needs be.

It stills all vibrations when it hits, including things like the pumping of the heart and the expansion of the lungs. It creates a zone where for a moment no sound exists.

Also, OP, I recommend you eventually train Ride and then get yourself some form of large owl as a mount. It's the only thing quiet enough to fit.

>>15224430
Eh, sure. I think speed would be better though, extra sneak attack dice and all.
>>15224444
A good sniper gets a wand of greater invisibility from the party wizard and trollfaces every time he gets a full round of sneak attack from such.

People, vote up the story

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

>>15224494
Let me guess: she serves Pelor, the Burning Hate?

OP. This is what it will look like when your party goes to taverns. I hope for the sake of a great time you return here one day to tell us about your adventures as the rogue cat.

>>15224494
Yes.

Crossbow cat will rule this world.

>>15224529
pelor the burning hate?

>>15224531

I have a few more sessions planned for this week.

I SHALL RETURN, AND INFORM /tg/ OF MY FELINE ADVENTURES.

>>15224590
PELORTHEBURNINGHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE

rolled 91 + 1 = 92

>>15224590
>>15224590

Google it damnit. .We are not here to answer your questions.

>>15224590
Yeah. Google it. Pelor is a huge dick in 3.5, and so are his priests.

>>15224494
Wait, for real? You get involuntarily and permanently polymorphed, and she wants to kill you for it? For god's sake, what the fuck is wrong with her? If I were DM I would make her fall for that.

>>15224602
Godspeed OP.

>>15224617

No he's not, the core rulebook says he's a good guy and his priests are well received across the countryside

Now for a 4chan question: Is your character forced to keep the barbed dong?

If you are allowed to come up with ingenious items/modifications (that aren't in the books) then get the crossbow fitted with a reservoir for holding poison, that dips part of the head of the bolt in the poison before firing it

I had a similar setup on a rogue, where his rapier sheaths had reservoirs at the bottom that meant that whenever he drew his sword it had poison on it (so I didn't have to keep applying it)

That way you can do sneak attack, acid, AND poison damage

And get some cat gauntlets made up with a reservoir so that your claw attacks, and even your touch attacks, do poison damage as well

And if your DM even allows custom poisons then make up one that doesn't effect cats, just for teh lulz

Of course if your DM is a douche then this probably wont be possible

>>15224633
You can not into propaganda.

>>15224621

We have agreed that paladins will not fall in this campaign unless they do something utterly and completely evil.

And yes, it's Pelor. She's an Inquisitor of his, and basically treats everyone the way a 40k SoB would.

EVERYTHING IS HERESY.

>>15224494
Push the paladin with your head and purr.

>>15224667

Yes, except that.

According to the DM, the DC to overcome my abject fluffiness (unless I'm attacking you) is 20. This should keep me safe for a while.

>>15224680
bueno.jpg

>>15224633
actually i'm the guy that first asked about it and the burning hate thing seems to have pretty good evidence

The much easier solution to all of this is to start taking levels in Psychic Warrior. That lets you do 90% of what has been suggested here, and makes you self reliant.

No one expects a cat to be able to have acidic claws, a personal force field, and telekinetically toss people around. You even get bonus feats.

Cat racial ability score adjustments according to the statblock in the 3.5 MM:

Str -8
Dex +4
Con +0
Int =2 (animal)
Wis +2
Cha -4 (bullshit)

If I were DM, I'd make you lose any old physical racial adjustments and gain the new ones, as if via Reincarnate.

Between size, racial, skill and ability modifiers, you should be just shy of impossible to find.

>>15224718

As previously noted, my attributes will not be touched by this transformation.

>>15222762
>Cats are physically capable of producing human language; they just lack the mental software to even attempt it.

Yeah, I know I'm late posting, but this is bullshit and here's why:

Humans happen to be unique among mammals in that their soft palate does not extend all the way back to meet with the epiglottis, forming a separate pathway for air so mammals can nom and breathe at the same time. This gap between the soft palate and epiglottis means that humans are at risk for choking, but this open pharanx is also necessary to form the complex sounds needed for human speech. All other mammals that have complete separation of the nasal and oral cavities cannot form human words, regardless of actual mental ability. It is not possible, period.

>THE MORE YOU KNOW.jpg

>>15224702
I presume you intend to go about his 11 Wis with something?

>>15224729
Remember that he was able to redistribute his stats? We so far don't know how or even if he redistributed yet.

[spoiler] I still hope that he keeps 16 just so he can be HERCULES CAT.[/spoiler]

For the last time, my attributes (STR, DEX, CON) won't be changing!

>>15224774
Oh shit I didn't see you say that before, sorry about that. Also, I can't spoiler for shit tonight for some reason, it's strange.

>>15224789
[spoilersdon'tworkon/tg/]Spoilers don't work on /tg/.[/spoilersdon'tworkon/tg/]

pretty sure there're no spoilers on /tg/

>>15224680

Well at least the DM is being a good sport of it, and isn't blatantly trying to kill you off.

Also, that picture is...intensely discomforting.

>>15224813
I was starting to think that. I haven't been on /tg/ for very long, if you haven't figured it out yet.

Confound the Big Folk (from Races of the Wild): This feat allows you to perform any of the following three maneuvers.

Knee Striker: To use this maneuver, you must first move into a square occupied by a foe at least two size categories larger than you. On the next round, the foe is automatically considered flat-footed against your attacks, and you gain a +4 bonus on any roll you make to confirm a critical hit.

Underfoot Defense: To use this maneuver, you must first move into a square occupied by a foe at least two size categories larger than you. On any succeeding round in which you remain in the foe's square and fight defensively, use total defense, or use Combat Expertise (minimum -1 penalty on attack rolls), any melee or ranged attack made against you has a 50% chance to strike the foe whose square you occupy instead. This chance does not apply to attacks made by the creature whose square you occupy.

Unsteady Footing: To use this maneuver, you must first move into a square occupied by a foe at least two size categories larger than you. On the next round, you can use a standard action to attempt to trip your foe without provoking attacks of opportunity. If your touch attack to initiate the trip attack succeeds, you can attempt a Strength or Dexterity check (your choice) opposed by your foe's Strength or Dexterity check (as normal) to trip your foe. Your foe may not add any bonus on his Strength or Dexterity check to avoid the trip that he would gain from his size. If your trip check fails, your opponent may not attempt to trip you. If you have Improved Trip, you can follow a successful trip attempt with an immediate melee attack.

Underfoot Combat (from Races of the Wild): You can move into or through a square occupied by a creature at least two size categories larger than you. You do not provoke attacks of opportunity for doing so. While you are in a square occupied by a creature at least two size categories larger than you, you gain the benefit of soft cover (+4 bonus to AC) against all attacks, including those of the creature whose space you occupy.

>>15224726

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LBKVXyrHcw&feature=related

>>15224824

He's fair, but... well, he's tough. He holds no grudges; instead, he decides that WE NEED TO BE BEATEN DOWN LIKE THE VERMIN WE ARE.

So we often meet enemies that are simply beyond our ability to defeat. Which is fine, because nobody in out group is stupid enough to attack them. Surrender and retreat are always on the table for us.

>>15224286
Plate your vat in the finest mithral!

>>15224494
This has potential. OP, you must return and tell us how things go with Cat the Rogue, the Paladin of Pelor and the rest...

>>15224832
>>15224850

Mother of god, this is AMAZING.

PELOR DECLARES ALL FUZZY WUZZY KITTY WITTIES TO BE HOLY ANIMALS, AND ANY THAT STRIKES DOWN ONE OF THESE WUVVABLE FWUFFY CUTSIE WOOTSIES SHALL SUFFER HIS TERRIBLE WRATH.

>>15224915
so pelor becomes bast?

>>15224932
Can't a god just like some cats around here?

>>15224881
>Paladin of Pelor

That's really starting to make my head hurt, a Palidin, who is lawful good, and needs to be lawful good otherwise they lose all paladin abilities, worships a Neutral Good deity

PALADINS WORSHIP HEIRONEOUS, AND ONLY HEIRONEOUS IN 3.5e, SO TELL THAT BITCH TO LOSE HER PALADIN STATUS AND ABILITIES OR GET OFF YOUR FUCKING BACK

>>15224863

Sounds lame, but it'll be all the more satisfying when the cat makes mincemeat out of an encounter he planned for you to surrender/run away from.

>>15224951
The Shining One
Greater Deity
Symbol: Sun face
Home Plane: Elysium
Alignment: Neutral good
Portfolio: Sun, light, strength,
healing
Worshipers: Bards, rangers,
druids, healers, commoners
Cleric Alignments: GG, LG, NG
Domains: Good, Healing,
Strength, Sun
Favored Weapon:Mace


straight from dieties and demigods says pelors clergy can be LG

>>15224951
Also, PALADINS CANT COMMIT AN EVIL ACT

If she kills you then she committed an evil act, because you are still good aligned even though you are a talking cat, so she would lose her paladin status and abilities instantly

>>15224951
Inquisitor

>>15224951
>That's really starting to make my head hurt, a Palidin, who is lawful good, and needs to be lawful good otherwise they lose all paladin abilities, worships a Neutral Good deity

There is nothing in Core 3.5 that says a paladin must worship a LG deity. As a Paladin's powers come from the concept of LG itself, they do not, in fact, have to worship ANYTHING.

>>15224978
clerics can't cast spells against their diety's alignment yet jozan, a cleric of pelor, is shown casting symbol of pain in the phb on pg 291. pretty sure pelor is a little loose with the rules

>>15224971
Yes, but that is a cleric, which last time I checked is different from a paladin

From the PHB:
Table 6–3: Deities by Class (P106)
Paladin - Heironeous (LG)

A PALADIN CAN ONLY WORSHIP HEIRONEOUS IN 3.5e

>>15224994
That's because Pelor is Zarus.

>>15225007

Chill out. We aren't playing by that rule.

>>15225007
Your character may or may not have a patron deity. If you want
her to have one, consider first the deities most appropriate to the
character’s race, class, and alignment (see Table 6–2: Deities by Race
and Table 6–3: Deities by Class).


>most appropriate

>>15224951
You don't know how alignments and godly servants work in 3.5.

>>15225007
Given that OP's cat situation breaks many rules at once in 3.5, we can let slide that a paladin is worshiping Pelor

>>15224981
Well if she is an Inquisitor then she needs to be of a Lawful Good Deity, and Pelor isnt

From Complete Divine:
To qualify to become a church inquisitor, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
Alignment: Lawful good or lawful neutral.
Base Save Bonus: Will +3.
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 4 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 4 ranks, Spellcraft 4 ranks.
Spells: Able to cast zone of truth as a divine spell.
Special: Must be a member of a lawful good church or religious order, and must have already uncovered some corruption within that organization.

>Must be a member of a lawful good church or religious order
>lawful good church or religious order
>lawful good
You were saying?

>>15225007
Nice job missing the text in the description before it.
>Your character may or may not have a patron Deity. If you want him or her to have one, consider first the deities most appropriate the the character's race, class, and alignment (see Table 6-2: Deities by Race and Table 6-3: Deities by Class.)

Nothing forces them to worship Heironeous.

>>15224978
No, you do not commit one pretty evil act and then instantly fall. But it's too late to get into that argument (thankfully).

Any magic rings have to go on your tail, OP. and...be sure to avoid being eaten or grappled. Nobody has mentioned it yet, but you're a lot easier to eat as a cat than you are as a human.

>>15225081

OP could just fire his sonic crossbow to make the creature throw up from the vibrations

>>15225081
>Put your mouth around a cat with a crossbow on it's back, giving it a direct shot into your brain.

Whelp, that creature was too stupid to live anyway.

>>15225190
Also, remember that the cat still has more strength than the average human. Now, I don't know if you've ever tried to handle a pissed off cat, but if that was stronger than a person, and actually armed, I'd rather not want to attempt to eat it.

Instead of making a thread for this, I'm just gonna pop in on GLORIOUS CAT ROGUE thread.

I'm new to D&D in general, and making my first character. What's more important for a rogue between CHA and STR? On one hand Str is good for climbing, leaping, and combat, but Cha is good for bluffing, disguises, intimidation, and diplomacy.

>>15225339

It depends on your style of play.

Rough, tough, brutish rogue who stabs people repeatedly? STR.

Dashing scoundrel who gets all the ladies and could swindle you out of your firstborn? CHA

>>15225339
Depends. What are you planning on doing?

Sneak Attack King, put it in STR.
Master Burglar, STR
Con Man, CHA
Trickster, CHA
Trapbreaker, It don't mattah.

>>15225390
>>15225368
Was thinking of an Assassin-type guy. Kinda like Agent 47.

>>15225448

CHA, if you want to be able to get past guards without fighting them.

STR if you want to FUCK PEOPLE IN THE ASS with your backstab attacks.

>>15225473
Ah, CHA it is then.

The less bodies, the better.

rolled 48, 9, 50, 59 = 166

>>15225448
If you don't put it in STR for that character, take weapon finesse.

>>15225070
i am dumb i apologize i should not post when i am drunk

hey could one person who hasn't vote up on this thread? just need one more for purple

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

>>15225591
Voted and bumping, because this thread is worth it.

Crossbow cat sounds awesome.
But any intent on rapid strike/improved natural weapon feats to play up that 16 str? like >>15223978 suggested? I know your dex is still higher but that would be bitchin' as well, considering sneak attack bonus.

>>15225591
Come on, people, we're only one vote away from being +20. Bumping for greatness.

To any who question your awesomeness, say this.

rolled 1 = 1

Pitching in, how would I make a rogue be like Neal Caffrey?

>>15226380
That is not pitching in. That is the opposite of pitching in. Pitching in is when you contribute an idea to the discussion in progress. You're attempting to start an entirely new line of discussion.

...and then the 30th vote was cast.

OP come back some time and tell us how it all turned out