IT ONLY GETS US SHOT IF WE AGREE TO SAID WAR CRIMES.
WHICH WE PLAN ON NOT DOING.


Hello Apologized. Feeling better than last sunday?

since I'm fairly certain you don't read what happens in archived zeonquest threads, we had some ideas. Arty was ded kunnin as usual.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14775832/images/1304302751905.jpg

>Arty 05/01/11(Sun)22:19 No.14782061

>>14778160
>After a bit, we should proooobably try to broadcast something that says:
>"Look, half of you are probably going to die of radiation sickness- we don't know whether you tried to nuke us or not and we don't care. We've got medical facilities and the sooner you turn yourselves over the sooner we can run back to good quality medical facilities for us all.
>"By the by, DID you nuke us?"

>Screw radio. It's time for some good old Morse code. Pic related, it's an emergency strobe light. We're bound to have some of these suckers onboard. Program it to flash a msg in sequence and keep repeating. We chuck some of these into the remains of the cylinder in different places.

To continue getting caught up on things:

Majority opinion seems to be:

Majority opinion seems to be:


1) Communicate with White Base
2) See if we can get a surrender
3) If not, hold them up as long as possible, since they:

>> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)22:17 No.14782035
>>14781934
>>Amuro and the White Base were essential to the Federation Victory at Solomon, and served as the rallying point for the remnants of the Federation fleet following the Solar Ray attack.

>>The White Base was a powerful symbol to rally around, and I doubt without its presence and that of the Gundam, that the Federation forces wouldn't have been anywhere near as effective in assaulting A Baoa Qu, or conquering the N Field.

>>Amuro is also almost entirely responsible for the collapse of S-Field.

At the end of the last thread you discovered the following files within the Kommusai's hard-drive.

A detailed comminque about the real nature of the secondary cargo the ship was carrying alongside Char's kitbashed gundam. A nuclear device in the Mid-Kiloton range to be used to finish off the Gundam once and for all, stolen from A-Boa-Qu. A massive, clear and deliberate breach of the Antarctica Treaty. Co-signed off by Dr Flanagan and Admiral Kycillia Zabi. The report also makes it clear that Degwin was in on it as well.

"We believe Flanagan kept this on the hard-drive with the intention of blackmailing Kycillia with it should he ever need to. It was his insurance." Ookawara states.

"So. What do we do with this?" Mauser asks.

You were in the middle of discussing what to do with this new knowldege.

YOUR PLAN?
I'LL GIVE YOU 30 MINUTES. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE AT THE END OF THAT WE DO. IF WE TAKE LONGER THAN THAT WE'LL NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE.

Zeonquest Fuck Yeah!
Warcrimes and breaches of the Antarctica Treaty, Oh No!

Anyway, we all seemed to agree at the end of last session that this needs to go straight to Dozle. If he won't release the information at all, then we plan to secretly release it to the Side 6 government 1 year after the end of the war. This information doesn't get out beyond the 4 people in the room.
Mauser is to hang on to the drive and keep it safe.
We will stay here to try to sink or capture the White Base.

4) When done holding them up, go speak to Shin and Dozle and personally hand over the hard drive.
5) The following:

>> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:26 No.14781327
>>14781249
>>I believe the plan is that, if Dozle doesn't release, or at least say he will release, the information after the war, then we will independently release it to the Side 6 government 1 year after the end of the war. That's hopefully enough time for heads to have calmed down but still recent enough for everyone to still be reluctant to lob around nukes.

there were some people who said "Go rescue Char in the EWAC'd MS, but some others said "War criminal. . . let him rot".

After which, the main thing seemed to be resupply to maximum, then go raid behind feddie lines.

That pretty much catches you up, Apologized.

>>Besides, if we were to return to Solomon with the White Base in tow, or at least after having dropped it off at Pezun to be reverse-engineered, then it would be much easier to get a face-to-face meeting with Dozle.

Also nice, but for those joining, we already captured a Pegasus/Trojan Horse/Whatever. I think. Is the White Base special compared to other Trojan Horses? I mean, aside from Bright.

>>14834434

In order to communicate with the white base you are going to have to get close to it, deep within the radiaition field and communicate to it that way.

Morse code won't work, the debris will get in the way. Plus you're assuming that there's anybody on either ship who KNOW Morse Code.

The basic idea is fine enough, but the execution needs more work.

In the spirit of how I'm not contributing pictures of stuff or whatnot, the name goes away and anonymity returns. Here's hoping Arty shows back up.

By the by, do you read threads after they've been archived, Apologised?

>>14834420
> Implying Hamburger can steal the Alex Gundam, and the normal timeline won't reassert itself in that instance.

But hey, man, like, you're the story-teller.

>>14834449

Not getting close, deploying emergency beacons. See image.

Yes, we're relying on someone knowing morse code, but it gives us something to do- and seeing people moving around without shooting at them, only deploying flashing emergency beacons might confuse'em a bit even if they don't get the message of "want to, you know, stop shooting at each other and we look to get you out of this mess?" they see that we're not actively gunning for them. At this juncture.


http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14775832/images/1304302751905.jpg

>>14834442
The plan is that we stay here until we either sink/capture the White Base, or it gets away. If we left right now, then it would be suspicious, and it would essentially doom the two other cruisers here, since Char is still somewhere in the colony fighting Amuro.

After we tell the three others here the plan, we also were going to tell Anita to carry a sidearm and watch Mauser's back. Don't tell her any details, just that she needs to be prepared.

As for David, I think we should continue with the plan we had before the contents of the hard drive were discovered: get in Option's Gyan, and using its Minovsky Emitter to shield him from the radiation, do a quick search through the lower dock area of the colony for Char. Just enough so that we can say that we tried.
What the others need to be doing is patrolling the debris field and looking for massive spikes in Minovsky particles; we find that, and we find the White Base.

Why the fuck is this shit -still- going?

Jesus.

>>14834462
Of course people keep insisting he will die. . .
Wrrrrrrrry. . . Hovis, Calvin, Strauss. . . so many good people leave the squad, dead or alive.

>>14834434
How many times do we have to tell you this? Communicating with the Trojan Horse is futile. They wouldn't listen anyway and its just a waste of resources
>>14834449
What he said.

>>14834443
We need to find Char. I don't care if he's a "war criminal". We need every ace pilot we can find.

>>14834475
We're doing the waiting game and it gives us something to do.

Char is a war criminal and every time we aid him it makes us look more friendly with someone who will break the space geneva conventions willingly.

>>14834442
I know that it's a violation of the Antarctic Treaty, but are you guys really that hung up over war crimes? I mean fuck, did you really make that big a fuss before Gihren was ousted from the government? As Zeon soldiers we've been complicit in many uncomfortable ways. This is just the most direct.

>>14834475
>>Communicating with the Trojan Horse is futile. They wouldn't listen anyway and its just a waste of resources

Like you know for certain.

>>14834475
>They wouldn't listen anyway and its just a waste of resources
Actually, it might not.
The White Base has to have its Minovsky emitters on full power to keep it safe from the high radiation; if we look for areas of exceptionally dense Minovsky particles, those areas would be good chances of where the White Base is located.
We could put down the emergency beacons as a way of referencing areas of the debris field, sort of like the pegs in Battleship.
If it causes the White Base to surrender, great. If they don't, we're still marking areas of the search to narrow down where they are. As they see the net close around them, maybe we can force them to make a move out of the debris field, and into Nell's waiting bits.

>>14834436
-Tell Mauser to hang onto the drive
-Tell Anita to pack a sidearm and watch his back but not to tell her whats going on. She should keep a close eye on Sara?, Nell's handler if she's on the bridge because she knows and could be a potential threat.

-Wait out the Carrier and Gundam until the forces from Grenada arrive
-If there's no sign of the Feds about 2 hours after their arrival we bug out and get to Solomon ASAP.

>>14834434
If at some point while we're waiting we could toss those morse code strobe lights into the colony to act as a psychological weapon that'd be great.

>>14834492
After all, what's a few accidental suit meltdowns among enemies? Or have we forgotten about that bit?

>>14834511
If that's the case then lets just start shooting at areas of high density.

Unless that also means risking accidentally firing on our own ships...

>>14834493
Judging from how everyone else other than you posted in the end of the last thread, yes, we are hung up over war crimes and do not wish to become Gihren 2.0. Looks like you'll have to take your "No Surrender Grim Darkness of the 41st Millenium Gassing People" fapfiction somewhere else. Gihren's supposed to be hitler, and hitler is bad, remember?

>>14834516
>>accidental suit meltdowns
>>using 250kt nukes deliberately, with permission from two faction leaders, by the head ace
>>It's like he's trolling or something!

>>14834449
>Morse code won't work, the debris will get in the way. Plus you're assuming that there's anybody on either ship who KNOW Morse Code.
>Plus you're assuming that there's anybody on either ship who KNOW Morse Code.

That's what communications computer systems are for. Seriously, we've been operating in Minovsky particle environments for the whole year. To say that Radio is the only way to broadcast a message to someone else is pants on head retarded.

>>14834526
Well, we don't want to be wasting shots if we can help it.
Beam cannons still have a slight cooldown time, and since they run off of the ship's reactor, will still consume increased amounts of H3. I'd rather not run out of fuel when the White Base and the Gundam are around.

>>14834527
Hey don't go getting mad at me. Just being pragmatic. We aren't that different from Char at the end of the day, especially when you look at some of our more questionable strategies.

>>14834554
Actually, with the blurring effect that high-density Minovsky fields have on visible light, I wonder if they would even be able to properly receive the message.
Not to say that we shouldn't deploy the beacons; just that we shouldn't have our expectations that high.

>>14834563
>>I'm going to say shit and not support it in any way, shape, or form, and immediately say YOU MAD- hell, I'll say it before I even start my new post of trolling!
Yeah, certain you're trolling now.

>>14834465

Okay. I was wondering what that image was.

That seems reasonable. Although it might take a while for them to properly disseminate through the field. How long do you want to wait, given that the Falmel and the damaged Chivvay won't be going anywhere?

>>14834493
Yes. They genuinely made this much of a fuss every time, the irony is that the Nachtmaren have probably indirectly caused more nuclear explosions in this war than any other unit NOT around for the One Month War put together.

>>14834585
Fine, leave him to die if you're that certain we can defeat the White Base here, and won't need him later.

>>14834580
We've got two hours to kill. Even if we go have Lister look for Char, anyone not with Lister and the EWAC'd guy need to do something.

>>14834590
>>defeat white base
>>HA HA we're going to ask it to surrender and if it doesn't, wait for it to run, and if it doesn't, fuck off and do other shit because if a nuke can't break their plot armor we sure as hell can't

Weren't you saying how attacking the white base was a waste of time last thread anyways?

>>14834589

How's ten hours sound? Not like we're doing much else other than that hard drive burning a hole in our pocket. It's not going anywhere we're not going.

>>14834589
>How long do you want to wait, given that the Falmel and the damaged Chivvay won't be going anywhere?
I want to wait at minimum, 2 hours after the rescue vessels from Pezun arrive or until the Falmel and the Chivvay can move under their own power again. If we leave now, they'll be defenseless.

>>14834589
How long is it until the ships from Grenada arrive?

>>14834602
What? No.

Now ignoring all that meta stuff lets look at our options

> Wait out the White Base

> Attempt to go in after it

> Leave

What would be the consequences of each one?

>>14834610
Oh shit, that makes sense. We can't leave defenseless guys to get screwed up by a white base, even if it is missing its left side thruster and left side rocket turret ammo!

So. . . yeah. Do it until reinforcements arrive.

IF we decide on a sortie to rescue char, who wants the full nachtmaren team to go under the EWAC's minovsky envelope? How large is the area protected from radiation generated by the EWAC's MS?

>>14834616
>>Possibly get White Base in some form or another
>>Possibly get horribly fucked up and ambushed or hit by .1 megameters of fucking space station
>>White Base DEFINITELY RETURNS AS DOES THE GUNDAM and everyone on those wounded carriers are dead or feddie prisoners. Also Char probably bites it, for better or worse.

>>14834623
Of course on the same note if the Chivvay and Falmel are disabled, the White Base might just choose to disengage and slip away quietly while no one can chase after them.

Remember, they're in pretty bad shape as well. Not saying it's what would happen, but its something to be aware of.

>>14834610

Both the Chivvay and Falmal can move. The Chivvay has some damage to it's guns and hangars which it's largely patched up, whilst the Falmel is just missing it's Kommusai and has no Mobile Suits.

Contact with Grenada reveals that they're sending a small flotilla of independant disaster response vessels to try and assess the consequences of the nuclear explosion and they should arrive in an hour.

Grenada has NO ships at all to spare, the first battle with the federation in the orbital zone largely stripped all of their fleet and mobile suit reserves.

>>14834638
Yes, which is why the Outer Heaven still has full maneuvering capability.
With the White Base down an engine, we should be able to catch up with them, as long as they don't get past Nell's perimeter.

>>14834634
Okay, so now what are the conditions and specifics about waiting out the White Base. What's our timeline? What's the colony's rate of FUCKING RIPPING ITSELF APART, what could go wrong for us? What are our major tactical imperatives if we follow through on this plan?

>>14834642
Swell. Start seeding now, wait for emergency response vessels to show up, see if they have anything to offer, keep on seeding for. . . five hours sound alright, guys? The Feddies took a beating at Side 4, even if we lost two MS companies and the 04 freaking taking out everything in the debris field in one shot like a goddamned weapon of mass destruction.

>>14834642
Okay, even if the two cruisers can maneuver, they only have 2 Rick-Doms between them.
There's no way that they could stand up to the White Base and the Gundam, even though the WB is down half an engine and lost its port missile launchers.

I still say we should stay at least 2 hours after the Grenada rescue vessels arrive, just so that they have some kind of escort until we either engage and sink the WB, or they get away somehow.

>>14834655

The top and bottom of the colonies should completely shear from each other in about an hour, hour and a half. At that point it will spread additional debris into the area and the top and bottom will begin to move independantly.

>>14834657
5 hours then.

>>14834677
5 sounds good.

So, let's tell Mauser, Ookawara, and Sara the plan for handing the evidence over to Dozle, and then get David into that EWACs Gyan.
Option is an ace pilot, but David is better, and that additional Newtype ability is going to be necessary when scouting the lower loading docks for Char.

How many suits can be covered under the EWACs suits minovsky field?

>>14834677
So by this point the area will become a total mess, which seems like the perfect chance for the WB to escape. They probably could use their remaining Mobile Suits to intercept debris from the deck surface.

>>14834693
Or Option could stay in the Gyan and David stays near him.

>>14834677

After about an Hour of seeding the debris field with your surrender offering morse code pods, the civilian rescue ships arrive and begin assessing the damage. You have Anita forward their preliminary report to you.

It's about as bad as you feared. The radiaition hazard should degrade sufficiently to be largely safe to travel through in about three days. The smaller debris pieces will make the area a travel hazard, but the area was ALREADY considered that, so no change there. The real issue is of course the top and bottom sections of the cylinder. The "top" which faces down towards the earth is on a shallow deteriorating orbit, and will likely colony drop on a random location in about four days to a week. The top section will most likely ascend to a higher orbit although the computers are still crunching the numbers as there's a chance that the moons gravitational pull will affect the tops movement.
Whilst it's still too early for any official recomendations, the general consensus is that the Top section will have it's decent steepened so that it will land in one of the deep oceans on the earth, whilst a wait and see policy will probably be the best approach with the "Bottom". Unless the prediction turns out to be particularily dire, in which case they might also consider dropping it in the ocean or pushing it out to deep space.

There is no response to your messages, and the civilian ships say they have specially shielded vessels to which will begin looking for survivors within the radiaiton danger zone now.

Do you want to talk directly to the civilian aid ships?

>>14834436
Is our time up?

>>14834712
Yes, but what if the two get separated, like what happened at Hawaii with David and Zolomon when they were walking across the sea floor?
Also, they happen to run into Amuro, wouldn't 1 suit be easier to run away in, rather than 2? Especially if they have to stay close together due to the Minovsky particle field?

>>14834741
Ask them to keep us apprised of areas of especially dense Minovsky particles. They would be where the White Base is likely hiding.

>>14834741
"Make it as obvious as possible that you're noncombatants. And not looking to shoot ANYONE. Also if you come across people who're injured and federation, kindly tell them we didn't blow them up, we'd love to chat with them as to what caused that explosion, and whether or not we can civilly find out what the shit just happened here."

>>14834741
Should we be worried about risks to the Civilian ships?

>>14834756

>>14834741
Do they know they might become targets of Federation vehicles in the debris? Might want to warn them about that.

Also, what the hell are we supposed to do about the debris? Fuck. The last thing we need is a colony drop. If they happen across the Feds and manage to not get killed they might want to pass that information along.

>>14834741
It's been an hour? Wait four more hours. That'll be our five hour mark.

>>14834770
> Because "temporarily" concealing war crimes is alright because we're good people.

I'll be bemused if the WB actually bothers to give us a response, especially since if we find them we'll immediately start shooting. Besides, they may know about the origin of the nuke, and will see right through our deception.

Still, can't hurt to try I suppose.

>>14834797
>>especially since if we find them we'll immediately start shooting. Besides, they may know about the origin of the nuke, and will see right through our deception.

1) no we won't, that's just you being a dick,
2) How? Amuro is way the fuck over there, they're somewhere else.

Hey Apologized, I know you can't tell us anything, but is the WB doing any recon or scheming of its own?

>>14834837
If they can, they will. They're trying desperately not to die. Fighting their way out in this case may lead them to die. I'm gambling they don't want to fight right now.

>>14834783
>>14834776
>>14834770

The civilian ships are clearly marked as being Independant SAR ships with various markings and such. Plus, they're all civilian model ships not warships. You'd have to be blind to think they were combatants.

So wait four more hours then?

>>14834871
hypothetically what would need to happen in order for the WB to escape or defeat us?

>>14834837

Pretty difficult if their surrounded by lethal radiation and their only emitter is on the ship.

>>14834905
Might as well.

>>14834905
Yes, wait them out.
Are the SAR ships going to attempt to search the lower docks for Char, or is that up to us? Or is there even any point to the exercise now, what with the colony shearing apart?

>>14834907
To escape us? Us leaving or us not chasing them.

To defeat us? Hit us without Lister, maybe. As well as us not noticing and exploiting the fact that their port engine as well as rear port rocket launchers are out, giving us an advantageous angle of assault not normally had. They could also "defeat" us by the cordon failing and them escaping faster than we can pursue. Though we've run down a non-wounded pegasus before. As well, we've also killed rather a few pegasi and trojan horses in our time. Odessa and Side 4 conflict come to mind. As well as Orbital 01, I think we got some carrier kills there as well.

Wait four more hours, and keep on seeding.

>>14834907

In order to defeat you they would have to find and then use nuclear weapons.

In order to escape from you... they would have to find a way to escape your picket, somehow repair the engines, and find a way to outrun you all. Or, a massive enemy fleet appears. But even the most pessimistic estimates of enemy numbers would support that without them drawing massive numbers away from the Solomon attack, and taking the pressure off Solomon would be strategic suicide for the Federations chances of a quick end to the war.

>>14834959
Oh well in that case we shou-

....

There was only the ONE nuke.... right?

. . . If we find Char, he's a war criminal. Even if we don't immediately turn him in, he broke the Antarctica Treaty willingly. So, how are we going to act towards him? Will we confront him? How can we talk to a man who'd risk starting up the one week war again over /anything/?

>>14834959
sorry "wouldn't support"

>>14834914
Really, even with that extra armor on the Gundam Amuro is going to suffer some effects of Radiation exposure at some point since he was closest ot the nuke.

>>14834972
It wasn't their side, it was. . . bad shit.
Feds didn't use the nuke. Subterfuge and a portion of the Zeon hierarchy did. Dr. Flanagan, Kycillia, Char, and Degwin. . .

>>14834973
Yeah.
>>14834589

>>14834972

Yes. Because it had to go missing from A Boa Qu. One they might not miss due to some inventive recordkeeping, but two is pushing it.

Plus presumably, the costs incurred would basically double.

>>14834973

IF you find him.

>>14834982
Seriously. Wasn't his silly-ass practically on top of it? If people on the White Base have radiation poisoning, even if only a few of them, that was WAY ABOVE THAT NUKE, as well as having the entirety of a space shuttle around them. Amuro was just in a damn MS, shielded as it may be!

> MFW Char set this whole scenario up to fuck over the Zabis and then potentially be in a position to start Neo Zeon.

>>14835016
. . . Oh you bastard. I hate you with the fury of a thousand suns for even suggesting this a possibility.

It'd only set up Kycillia, Degwin, and Gihren though. Dozle and Garma would be safe. Which is alright, really, because Dozle is an alright guy even if a bit addled from that car bomb what fucked up his face and Garma is of course FABULOUS. I did, however, think Degwin was less of a dick than Kycillia and Gihren, however. I thought he disapproved of Gihren's shit. Nuking people. . . I was not pleased he would stoop to that. Kycillia I was never sure about, but it's not too big a stretch. She's a ruthless bitch in most media I've seen her in.

>>14835016
Then, after he starts the Neo-Zeon movement and we confront him, we tell him he's no better than Gihren, using a nuke, committing a war crime, and bringing about the possibility of turning the OYW back into a nuke slugging match, all for personal glory and political ambition.

>>14835010
It's the Gundam. Nothing surprises me about it at this point. I mean fuck it's even got that damn core fighter in it.

Two more hours pass, you're pleas for the surrender of the White Base continue to fall on deaf ears.

On the plus side, it seems that there were no civilian casualties when the nuke went off, the Colony truly was completely deserted. Nevertheless the civilian ships are continuing their sweep.

Anita forwards you another message whilst you continue your patrols.

"Sir, I have a priority message from Ramba Ral on a secure channel"

You tell her to put it through.

>>14835042
. . . Maybe. . . Maybe
[/heavy voice]

>>14835059
>Priority communique from Ramba Ral
Uh oh...I smell trouble.
I mean, I love Ramba Ral and all, but if he's calling us from Side 6, then it can't be good.

>>14835042
Like Char really would care? He would be clearly thinking on levels beyond normal humans.
>>14835059
> Call from Ramba Ral

RUH-UH

>>14835074
Hey, isn't that where Bernie is right now?

>>14835121
Hopefully they're in different colonies in the same Side. If they're not it'll be hillarious because Ral is acting in a far from undercover way atm.

>>14835121
Does Hamburger need a helper?

>>14835121
Yeah, the same Side, as I recall.
But completely different colonies.

>>14835059

The message is pre-recorded, and comes through a three system cipher, including a unique one that the two of you devised together during the earlier Von-Braun mission.

Ramba Ral seems the same as ever, if perhaps a little aged with stress. You wonder if he's been promoted yet, lord knows he'd put the effort in. Although actively pursuing a witch-hunt against the ruling family, even he was on the outs with the rest of them apparently doesn't earn you any medals.

"My dispatches tell me that you're currently engaging the enemy in Texas Colony. This puts you about an hour and half away from Side 6. I don't know how the battle is going for you, but we have a situation here. Several on site intelligence assets have brought to my attention a plan by Loyalist Faction Black Ops forces to reclaim the nuclear weapon you were able to obtain in Von Braun.

My current estimates place the enemy unit as roughly two times the size of my own, as well as comprised of A Boa Qu's most advanced units. Clearly Gihren still retains a cache of influence in the Loyalist camp.
My first instinct was to try and contact the Cyclops Team that I know was operating in Side 6 as well, but as of 45 minutes ago I have lost contact with them. I also have received word of fighting within the colony, which is drawing local Side 6 defence assets away from our position.

The nuclear device is currently in possession of the independant investigation team, and I can't redeploy it at this time.

So, the long and short of it is this. I need your help again Commander."

YOUR ORDERS?

>>14835205
> Gihren going for the Nuke
> Fighting inside Side 6
> Ramba Ral needs our help

Oh you've got to be KIDDING ME. DOESN'T ANYONE IN THIS WAR FUCKING KNOW THE MEANING OF TIMING?

>>14835205
How soon until the Falmel, Chivvay and 4 Rick Doms are repaired?

>>14835205
Go. No question. The White Base? Char? Amuro?

We wash our hands of it. Apologised has made it clear it's going to be difficult if not impossible for White Base to get busted out of there.

Let's go bail out the second- (Norris Packard) third- (Shin Matsunaga)

Let's go bail out a friend who happens to be amongst the baddest motherfuckers zeon can offer.

I think I'll go get my dinner. See you in about and hour.

>>14835205
This man saved our lives with the Jupiter Ghost Incident.
And outside of Pezun in a Gelgoog.

Time to pay back ONE of those favors.

Let's fucking do this.

>>14835205
It never rains, does it? The last thing we need is ANOTHER nuke going off. As much as I hate to sayit, we may have to put off our search and head to assist with this. Top priority.

>>14835233
If we can't get them moving we take the crew with us and scuttle the wrecks. We'll need the Doms. Lets just hope the WB doesn't take a potshot on the way out.

>>14835205

Time's up here. We head for Side 6, because the only thing worse than a colony that's been nuked would be TWO of them- and this one's got plenty of civilians.

>>14835205
>>MFW Gihren deploying a team to recover this nuke proves he's a dick who likes nuking things
>>Kycillia, Char, and Degwin's scheming is for nothing

LET THIS BE A LESSON FROM KAMEN-RIDER-LISTER:
EVIL TO THWART EVIL DOES NOT PROFIT

>>14835205
Damnit. I see that the White Base's plot armor is as strong as ever, even after a nuking.
Alright, we gather up our team, and make best speed for Side 6 and Ramba Ral.

Also, I suggest handing over some of the GM shields and beam guns we've captured over to the Rick-Doms here, with the suggestion that they get back to Grenada so that Admiral M'Quve can be seen to at a real hospital. Hopefully, giving the Rick-Doms some improved equipment will help them survive.

>>14835309
>Also, I suggest handing over some of the GM shields and beam guns we've captured over to the Rick-Doms here, with the suggestion that they get back to Grenada so that Admiral M'Quve can be seen to at a real hospital. Hopefully, giving the Rick-Doms some improved equipment will help them survive.

Rick Doms only have enough power output to handle a Beam Bazooka. Also we dont have an unlimited supply of GM shields. We could offer them a better MG or two though.
(We have spares of these right?)

>>14835374
I don't see much point. The Dom pilots are only used to the longer-range bazooka and using a spray gun would throw off their normal fighting style. In a fight you're always better sticking with what you can actually use efficiently.

>>14835396
>>14835374
Alright, I concede.
But another problem that I thought of: what are we going to do about Elaine's Heavy Gatling?
It's full up right now, but our ammo stores for it on the OH are pretty low.
Just deal with it, or try to get an arms shipment from Pezun to reach us in Side 6?

>>14835497
Deal with it, hit Pezun afterwards. this is going to be repelling a single assault and eliminating Gihren's OpForce, not some sort of invasion force.

What's the best suits Gihren has, by the by? Gelgoogs?

>>14835515
MS-14S and MS-14A are the most powerful ones we've seen him using. There's one I can think of that we havent seen yet but it might be classified as fannon so not sure.

>>14835534
Could they have any Mobile Armors in their force?

>>14835776
Is suppose it isnt out of the question but they're a tad big.

>>14835809
Well, it IS Gihren we're talking about here. I wouldn't rule out that he would have sent an MA to capture the nukes by force in case the black ops team is unable to acquire the nukes by stealth.

So, if we ever get a chance to stop at Pezun in the coming weeks who wants to rig Zol's beam lance with a heat rod wire so it can be retracted?

>one, etKilat
um, ok?

>>14835915
Sure, if we have the time.
Though I think we need to pick up more alcohol to bribe Ookawara with.

--OMAKE--

SEVERAL MONTHS AGO

"First rule of sneaking ops? Wear a flak jacket."

Nobody at the table was completely sober, but neither were any of the Nachtmaren what you would call drunk. Somehow the discussion had turned to the opening moves of the ground war and the subject of Costa Rica had come up.

"But, what if your in disguise or something, wouldn't a bulletproof vest look kind of odd?" Bernie asked.

"Are you on a operation that doesn't involve you being in an 18 meter tall warmachine? Yes? Then you wear a fucking bulletproof. No fucking exceptions."

David always got foul mouthed after a couple of glasses of whatever.

CURRENT

Bernie shiften awkwardly in the pilots chair as his ribs protested from where he had been shot. He feared the bullet's impact had either fractured or cracked one of his ribs.
"Man, why can't bulletproof vests work like they do in the films" he complained as he led the captured gundam out of the Hangar bay doors.

>>14835990
Outside he could see Misha's Kampfer causing havok and he managed to squeeze past the closing hangar doors and out into the inside.
"Man for a new prototype this thing's got too much weight on it." Bernie continued to complain. All that extra armour would probably work well against Zeon projectile weapons, but hadn't the engineers got the news? The MS portable beam weapon age had begun, Mobile Suits darted around with one-shot-one-kill guns now.

He locked into Misha's frequency and changed his IFF so he wouldn't get attacked by mistake. He was about to open a radio line to the Kampfer when the blue shape leapt over his head. The panoramic cockpit displayed a massive explosion behind him from where the mobile suit had seemingly leapt from solid reinforced structure.

As it spun sideways the almost white flash of a beam saber lashed out, arcing downwards. Bernie had half a second to see the Kampfer neatly bisected from head to crotch before all of that ammo and fuel exploded. Sending unexploded munitions flying in all directions.

The dust cleared to reveal a white and blue gundam, one side of the head was badly damaged, with limited repair work, and whilst the chest area seemed reworked, the other parts seemed to be a hodgepodge of other gundam parts. Arm mounted weapons pods, Beam Sabers, Beam Daggers, all manner of weapons festoon it, but underneath it all it was clear what model of Gundam it was.

Gundam Pixy.

Okay, and now back on track.

so you give the order to stop the patrols and return to the ship. You give out a brief rundown on why to your team-mates and then come up with an even more sanitised version for the other two ships.

What sort of orders do you have for the two vessels before you leave?

>>14835994
FUCK

ALEX vs PIXY
HAMBURGER vs HOT SISTER

OH YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>14835994
>Gundam Pixy
>mfw
My hate. ALL OF IT.

>>14835994

Shit, it's the Zombie Fairy. Good luck with that frankenfreakshow.

>>14835990
> Bernie got in the cockpit
> As cool as this is, mfw the thought of Zeon stealing ANOTHER Gundam.
Am I really a horrible person for wanting the Federation to actually deliver the Alex Gundam to Amuro in this alternate timeline? I can't think of anything that would be more menacing as far as final bosses.

>>14836020
The SAR vessels are obviously civilian, so they should be safe.

The Falmel and the Chivvay should make best speed to Grenada in order to get M'Quve to a fully equipped hospital, and for the ships and MS to get fully repaired. Once we leave, it won't be safe here for any Zeon military ships.

>>14835534
> Bernie manages to steal the Alex
> It'll either be heavily damaged, destroyed, or stolen by Zeon.

> Amuro will never get to use it now.sadfrog

STUPID ALTERNATE TIMELINES. WHAT GOOD ARE YOU ANYWAY?

>>14836020
How long until the Rick Doms are repaired? We shouldn't leave until they're ready for action.

>What sort of orders do you have for the two vessels before you leave?
Hang back and wait for into from the civie SAR teams. Do not directly engage the Gundam. If they can get a few shots into the Carrier once it eventually breaks from cover do so. If they cant do that find out where it's going if possible and transmit that to Pezun.
Stay alive. Info is worth more than them getting killed.

Hey I know this an alternate timeline, but what if everything is fated to return to "how it's supposed to be"?

What if despite our efforts the Zabi's die, everyone who we might have saved during earlier battles slowly dies in increasingly brutal Federal space sieges, and in the we did more harm than good?

Shit's depressing.

>>14836118
Second.
Info on where the White Base is headed should be the priority of the two ships. That info, and M'Quve, Lalah, and Flanagan, should be their main concerns.

>>14836068
>>14836102
Do you guys WANT Zeon to lose or something? Amuro in the Alex would be unstoppable.

>>14836182
Well Zeon has to lose, it's inevitable. I mean that's just a given.

Should be interesting to see if ol Bernie can manage this on his own though. Slightly sad that we don't see him try to take on the Alex ala the original timeline. Certainly would have been interesting.

>>14836166
Look at this way. The way we've fucked around we could have Operation Stardust happen in less than a year, never mind 3.

Then it's HELLOOOO TITANS.

>>14835205
Drat.

Well, we didn't find the White base or Amuro. That makes me sad. It's likely the WB will find Amuro in the wreckage, punch through the picket by KILLING EVERYTHING, and then proceed to fuck shit up.

But I suppose it'd do that anyway even WITH us there. Let's go help Ramba Ral.

In the interest of keeping things moving, let's go with Arty's suggestion, Apologised, since the rest of these chucklefucks just want to argue about whether it would be better to let Amuro have the Alex or not.

>>14836020
Keep up the picket, look for regions of high Minovsky density, shoot the arse of the White base with beam weapons as it leaves the colony, and for the love of god don't suicide EVERYONE onto it, keep at least someone alive.

>Hang back and wait for info from the civie SAR teams. Do not directly engage the Gundam. If they can get a few shots into the Carrier once it eventually breaks from cover do so. If they cant do that find out where it's going if possible and transmit that to Pezun.
>Stay alive. Info is worth more than them getting killed.

So ordered you make your way at best speed. To Side 6. Whilst in transit, Mauser approaches you on a private channel.

"Sir. Should we tell Ramba Ral about the hard drive?"

>>14836414
"In person."

>>14836414
Only in person. He's in this as deep as we are already, might as well keep him informed. We'll tell him we intend to go Dozle with it. If he has any reservations about us doing so we can find out then.

>"Sir. Should we tell Ramba Ral about the hard drive?"
Yes.
He works under Kycillia, doesn't he?

>>14836414
On the one hand, it's Ramba Ral. He deserves to know.
On the other hand, he has an understandable dislike of the Zabi family, and this would only confirm his distaste for them. It could drive him to release the information alongside the Jupiter Ghost investigation.

I think that we should tell him, but only face-to-face. And urge him to let Dozle release the information. It'll be better for Zeon if a Zabi does it, and after the end of the war.
And that if Dozle can't handle it, we'll release the information ourselves to the Side 6 government a year after the war's end, just like we planned.

>>14836462
Independent, actually. He's trying to stay out of the Zeon Civil War by spearheading the investigation into Gihren's attempted nuking of Von Braun and watching over the evidence at Side 6.

>>14836464
>>14836462
>>14836445
>>14836421
Wow. I expected more dissension and discussion.
But hey, if we get a fast consensus, I'm not going to complain.

>>14836414

This is non-transmissable information. We report it face-to-face, or not at all.

>>14836499

You tell Mauser that you'll show him the incriminating data, but only in person.

The journey is shorter than expected, Mauser puts the engines on full burn, it'll mean refueling at Side 6, but that's what the emergency gold bullion reserves are for.

As you close in on Side 6. You realise that you're going to need some kind of plan. There's a significant risk that communicating with Ramba Ral from here might alert hidden predators to your location, however you have no idea where the enemy is located.
If you just appear at the Badu colony in Side 6 where Ramba Ral is you could spook them into launching their ambush, or they could slink away to play the slow game.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>14836639
I think we should chance a transmission to Ramba Ral. Perhaps under the pretext of communicating with Badu Colony to arrange for refueling.

>>14836639
Send the colony a request for a docking space for a large passenger ship or transport of the same size range as the OH. Let them know roughly when we'll be arriving. That's the best I can think of.

>If you just appear at the Badu colony in Side 6 where Ramba Ral is you could spook them into launching their ambush
What's the protocol on using Mobile Suits to speak to Ramba Ral?
We could just suit up, walk up to where-ever he's stationed, knock on the door and say "Hi".

>>14836703
>>14836688
Combine these two; request that a docking berth for a transport ship of our size, and make arrangements for refueling.
Our team stays on alert inside their suits, just in case we need to launch in a hurry.

Hey, should we weld some handholds onto the Elmeth, so we can use it as a fast-deployment tactical sled?

>>14836714

That would probably cause an international incident. You'd probably just approach the colony and set up a communication line with it, and they then hook you up with Ramba Ral.

>>14836828
Well, an international incident is not good. However, I am not good at these situations. What's everyone else's opinion?

Hmm. It's a pity we can't send something smaller ahead.

We have got to have some sort of encryption code for days like this.

>>14836758

You risk sending an encrypted signal to Ramba Ral to ask for more information. The call bounces through a couple of proxies and the signal buffer of the colony gives your Commo Technician a bit of a problem but eventually you manage to get a conversation with him.

You outline you plan to meet up with him.

"Unfortuantely, that's a no-go. With the ruckus going on over on Libot, Side 6 are now strictly enforcing their neutral zone exclusion policy. Side 6 space is currently legal no-mans land to both Federation and Zeon troops. If you get too close to the colony it'll cause an international incident and they'll move to impound your vessel. For the same reason, I can't even launch our ship to assist you at this time. I could probably sneak out in our Mobile Suits, but I'd rather have them to hand as a last line of defence. You're free to come up with your own plan, but I think you're best option is to jump on them when they make a move. If you take them by suprise, you could be able to even the odds with the element of suprise and then finish them before they do something stupid. Don't expect these guys to surrender if you push them."

"What else do you know?"

"We suspect we're looking at a pair of Zanzibar type vessels, of what kind were not sure, the CO of the operation appears to be a Captain Killing."

"That can't be his real name."

"I assure you Commander it is. He's not what I'd call a loyalist diehard, but he's definately the type of commander to do whatever it takes to win, and he's probably too heavily involved in the Gihren faction to risk the kind of fallout this would cause."

"Any news from Libot."

"Last we heard the Cyclops team had taken out a Trojan Horses entire MS compliment, but were currently engaged with an enemy prototype. I've heard nothing since."

YOUR ORDERS?

This might be a job for just floating in on inertia in suits, preferrably holding onto a bit of debris while we do. Just be "junk" with our reactors on low just outside the colony's neutral zone, then rush in if trouble erupts.

>>14837011
Are there any agro farm modules we can hide the ship in the shadow of? It's going to be hard to stay out of sight and lay an ambush. I have no other ideas that would be of any use to Ramba Ral.

If we went near Libot Colony we could question them about having Federation warships conducting operations inside one of their colony cylinders. I wouldnt recomend it though.

>>14837011
This sounds like a scouting mission for Nell.
She zips to a point in space, launches her bits, takes a look, gets the bits back, then moves on to her next nav point. Maybe pair her up with Option, since the Gyan still has the EWACs package installed.
It would be nice if we could narrow down where she has to look.
Ask Ramba Ral if he knows of any construction or hiding spots that ZIRCON might know about or use.

I really want to send David and Zolomon to give Bernie some much needed backup, but I can't think of a way to get them there in time while still staying off of Side 6's radar screens.
We could try the 'high-speed space junk' plan, but I suspect that's the exact kind of thing that a space colony would have automated defenses looking for.

>>14837186
>>14837107
These two could work together.
We hide the Outer Heaven, and sent Nell and Option to look around.

>>14837186
>Ask Ramba Ral if he knows of any construction or hiding spots that ZIRCON might know about or use.
I like this. If we get David and Option to deploy together they could hide somewhere closer to the colony in their suits. With the Minovsky emitter they'd be more difficult to pick up.

Jolyne and Nell keep an eye out for incoming ships and everyone else say with the OH ready to deploy quickly.

>>14837186
>>14837324

You search for any derilict cargo satellites or the like. There don't appear to be many, most Side 6 colonies appear to be largely self contained. You do find what appears to be an abandoned storage facility that was evacuated due to multiple hull-breaches due to a micro-meteor shower that ruptured the crew areas. It's a little out of the way, but large enough to conceal you're ships presence with it's own.
You begin to make a move towards it, in the hopes that your enemies haven't been thinking the same thing, but from the sounds of it, this is more a smash and grab operation, so you should be fine.

You send out Nell and Option to act as a recon element. Hopefully they should find the enemy before it finds them.

Meanwhile you have to work out your loadout for the upcoming mission, and you place the rest of the team on high alert.

CHOOSE YOUR LOADOUT.

>>14837359
Sounds good.
It would be better that way to have David closer to the potential action like that with Option, rather than having Option purely on recon duty.

I still wish we could send Zolomon to help Bernie, but I can't think of a good way to get them to Libot...except under an ECM umbrella from Option''s Gyan, perhaps.

>>14837393
Loadout:
David in the Nacht Zaku
- bullpup carbine
- beam rifle
- make sure that holdout beam-spray gun is loaded
- cracker/flash grenades
- GM Shield

Zolomon
- see if his Gyan shield is fixed yet, otherwise use a GM Shield

Elaine
- loadout unchanged from previous engagement

Jolyne
- loadout unchanged from previous engagement

Rance
- Bazookas and panzerfausts
- backup machinegun

>>14837453
This but give Zol extra panzerfausts or a 90mm since he doesnt have the shields ranged weaponry anymore.

Option: same as before with EWAC and beam carbine

>>14837453
David:
- it's a bullpup MG, keep that as backup.
- don't forget the beamsabers.

Zolomon - don't forget the grenades.Flash and chaff.

>>14837453

With you all loaded up, you prepare for a hard battle against unknown assailants.

The time to launch comes sooner than expected. Using his improved communications array, Option manages to signal back to you that you have incoming bogey's coming in from a high angle heading towards the colony. Two black Zanzibar class Assault Cruisers that will bypass you from your position. In order to intercept them you're going to have to redeploy. Nell states she can engage them, but her location is somewhat exposed and directly along their line of advance, if they work out her position, both her and Option will expose themselves to enemy counter-attacks.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>14837692

Get us out there with a nice big thruster signature, then let Option and Nell take the shots on the Zanzibar's aft sections once they engage us.

>>14837692
Nell and Option are to stay low while we redeploy.
When we make our presence known and the enemy engages us, Nell and Option are to attack from a flanking vector.

>>14837692
Deploy her bits in a position to snipe their engines once they're in range. Her and Option should begin moving immediately to get out of their line of advance. The rest of us saddle up and move the OH on a course to intercept them just after they pass the bits. If they havent changed course we catch them in a cross fire. If they change course it means they'll be delayed from geting to the colony.

>>14837760
I think we're all agreed on the general outline of the plan.
Yours seems the most articulated, and it even has a diagram! So seconding yours.

>>14837760

Thirded. Arty's got it visually what we two said to try, anyway. Lock it in.

>>14837760
Also to make sure it's understood: Dont fire the bits until after the ships have gone past.

>>14837760

You tell Nell your ambush plan, and give the order for the Outer Heaven to break cover and begin it's interception plan. If you time it right, you might just be able to distract them with your forces and lure them into a perfect ambush spot for Nells bits.

As Nell and Option redeploy you do some last minute checks on your suit and your weapons. A few minutes later, Nell comes with unwelcome news.

They saw us. It must have been the angle of our retreat, they were able to pick up the light flare of my engines, and have begun launching their own Mobile Suits. I'm moving the bit's away from the ambush site momentarily to prevent them from getting spotted early. Also, they're reduced speed means you have to alter your angle of attack."

"That's fine Nell, what can you tell me about the enemy composition?" you ask as you relay the message along to Mauser.

"I can feed some of Mr Pliades (it takes you a couple of seconds to remember that's Options second name. You realise you can't remember Rances either, that's empbarassing.) Recon data that he was able to get with his recon equipment."

The images show yet more midnight black mobile suits, apparently your actions and chosen colour scheme have caused black to go back into fashion.
Or alternatively it might just good space camo.

But that isn't the important part. The shape is undeniably that of a Gelgoog, however, the accented head ridge, the rapid fire beam "machineguns", the extra thrusters... It looks like central command was being optimistic when they said that the Loyalists didn't posses the factories to make UMP parts in useful numbers.

You were wondering what sort of force they would send that would count as twice the kind of combat multipliers the Blue Giant and his Ral team could bring to bear.

Twelve elite black-ops pilots in fully armed Gelgoog Jaegers.

That would do it.

TO BE CONTINUED.

>>14838011
Yeah, this is going to be a painful fight.
On the optimistic side, if we succeed, maybe we'll be able to snag some nice salvage.

>>14838054
Beam machineguns for everybody! Oh wait.

I'd be amused to hear an Omake with the White Base and our half-assed attempt at distress beacons strobing "Surrender!"[stop] in Morse Code.

>>14838011
fuuuuuuck

>>14838114
Gotta love plot armor.
Amuro and the WB eat a nuclear blast and they survive.
It upsets me that the entire trip to Texas Colony was a waste of goddamn time.

>Twelve elite black-ops pilots in fully armed Gelgoog Jaegers.

>It looks like central command was being optimistic when they said that the Loyalists didn't posses the factories to make UMP parts in useful numbers.

On the plus side, this probably represents a huge investment of pilots and resources. Losing that investment is going to be a bitch for Loyalist Zeon to recover from. ...On the other hand, that's a dozen well trained pilots in high-spec mobile suits. We're going to need some fancy out-of-the box trickery to get through this without getting uncomfortably chewed up.

--OMAKE--

The ship was clearly badly damaged, and in need of aid. He could see terrible heat damage along the entire port-side, with the engines on that side seemingly non-responsive. Some of the lights were on, so clearly they hadn't lost power, and the Minovsky density around here seemed to support that as well. The low radiation levels implied that there would be survivors as well.

For a second he almost missed the blinking light surrounded as they were with numerous blinking signal beacons. After seeing it he got the attention of the signalman and they began to run the morse code response through the computer.

S-A-N-C-T-U-A-R-Y

"Hmm. What IS our policy on this sort of thing?"

And so the White Base made another throw of the dice.

>>14838155
It's time for our specialty: Beam Chaff!
It's a pitty people forgot that at side 4.

Also Bernie mentioned that the Alex was performing sluggishly. Pic related and I totally called it.
Ironically if the suit was operating normally the performance might have been so high that Bernie would have had a difficult time with it.

>>14838133
To be fair, even with nukes (or at least nukes in the kiloton range) you need to get pretty close to ensure a mission kill when you're dealing with hardened targets like warships and mobile suits. Even so, the best white base could do was limp off and hide in a debris field. If we had a bit more time or manpower it would probably be outright cake to dig them out and sink them.

>>14838182

So it wasn't half-assed at all? Some actually made it through? I'm surprised.

--OMAKE--

"... and so ended the life of texas colony perhaps one of the better examples of the quirky experimental societies that could only have existed in the contained enviroment of the space colonies. With it's central section completely destroyed by the nuclear explosion, it was decided that both the Top and bottom sections would be too dangerous to leave as is, and both were safely propelled into the deep marianas trench in a carefully planned deceleration manouver using the same model of nuclear pulse generator that had once propelled a colony into Sydney Australia. This time however, the drop was planned with the full support of the Federation. Coastal damage reported some higher than usual waves for the drop but compared to other colony drops, the sinking of Texas Colony was a mere drop in the ocean. So to speak.

The quick speed at which the simultaneous drops were carried out was the source of much pride for the Stellar Disaster Reaction Agency, setting the currently held record for planning a successful safe orbital drop for colony fragments. Done in less than three days.

What the agency was not made aware with until later was that OYW Aces Amuro Ray and Char Aznable were still inside one of the colony fragments when it was hurled back into the atmosphere. Although both Survived, Amuro Ray missed the Battle of Solomon, and did not reunite with the White Base until after the war, and Char Aznable was forced to join up with the guerilla forces of "The Wolf" Garma Zabi for the remainder of the war.

>>14838182
Watch this sanctuary plan is how White Base escapes the picket and the idea just gave them a way out.

>>14838273
Well.
So much for those two.

>>14838273
>Amuro Ray missed the Battle of Solomon, and did not reunite with the White Base until after the war
Problem, Amuro?

Well, at least we did SOME good.

>>14838273
Okay, it's nice and all that we effectively mission-killed the Gundam by preventing him from being of any use until after the war ends, but still.

His MS is still fully functional after a point-blank 250-kiloton nuclear warhead goes off, THEN he survives atmospheric re-entry and being dropped into the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean.
How can his plot armor still be in effect after all that?

>>14838335

If you want to know what happens with White Base, go watch the Battle of the River Plate.

>>14838360
Maybe they ditched after it broke atmosphere?

>>14838360

It wasn't point blank. He was practically at the docks that Char entered when it went off, he was actually about as far away from it as you could be and still be in the colony interior. He also had some initial cover, plus his Solomon Express gear was DESIGNED to survive indirect nuclear strikes EXACTLY like that.
Don't forget, this thing is designed to survive re-entry. With a shield admittedly, but still.

Also, both him and Char knew that the thing was getting pushed into earth fairly quickly and were able to make there way out before it actually landed. It's probable though that during those three days they fought some more.

>>14838407
Alright, so it wasn't as bad as I made it out to be.
But still, for him to be just far enough from the blast, for him to be behind just enough cover, for the Solomon Express shielding to hold even after all the battle damage. Then jumping out at just the right altitude to be able to survive, with no parachute.
Anyone else would have died a hundred times over.

>>14838407
wait, so them being trapped, they bail out, get taken in by the noncombatants, and scuttle the boat? Is that what happens?

>>14838523
PLOT ARMOR
NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT.
Hell, lister and Zol should've bought it repeatedly, at least. Hovis and Calvin were part of /our/ plot armor unfortunately. And in beefing Garma and Bernie, their plot armor is increased as well.

+1 Char working with THE WOLF OF THE AMERICAS

Did anyone else notice, however, that Apologised doesn't say that Bernie is in the Alex or not? The name of the suit he's piloting isn't said.

>>14838273
Hope Char dies after the war ends, the prick.

Wonder if the WB will be sunk without Amuro to guard it.

some music for the occasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqqPEcQd9j0

>>14838691
Bernie's dead but he's taking the Alex with him and wrapping a chain mine around the Pixy before he goes.

Next thing I'm worried about is the Feddies parking their arses on top of Solomon and killing Dozle.

Wait, no. the NEXT thing I'm worried about is that AT LEAST 12 ace zeon pilots are going to die on our next mission.
It's a shame nonlethal takedowns would put our unit at far, FAR too much risk, but such is life in space.

Whose armor is currently the least thin? Elaine's, right?

>>14838363
...are you saying they scuttled the White Base?

>>14838407
Wouldnt Char and Amuro be pritty hard up for something to drink after all that? I mean, I doubt a MS carries consumables for days at a time.

Also this whole thing seems a little bit like the equivilant of a cheap off-screen death. Something to get us to stop haranguing you about WB and the Gundam constantly escaping. Which technically the Gundam did yet again.

>>14838749
Doesn't Elaine have the railgun? Or did she get the Gundam shield and Gatling gun? Either way, we should probably use her to damage the ships. I wonder what they'll do if they can't extract the nuke....

>>14838769
Go away? Realize they're more good to Gihren alive than dead?

>>14838755
>>14838755
WE ARE FINE WITH THE GUNDAM GETTING A CHEAP OFF-SCREEN DEATH
WE HAVE SO MUCH TO DO AND NOT ENOUGH TIME TO DO IT
AMURO WAS DROPPED INSIDE A COLONY DURING A COLONY DROP, SURVIVED CHAR IN A GUNDAM, AND SURVIVED A NUKING.

FUCK EVERYTHING, THE MERE FACT THAT WE GOT A MISSION KILL ON THIS MONSTROSITY OF PLOT ARMOR IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

>>14838809
So wait.

Garma "The Wolf" Zabi and Aznable Char both start foightan a guerilla war with Amuro Ray?

I think I know how this war ends.
"We've captured Amuro. Though we don't have the manufacturing facilities needed to make copies of the Gundam, our ample supplies of hot Zeon bitches has allowed us to start mass production of Amuro.
Would you like to discuss peace?"

>>14838769
We'll be fighting Gelgoog Jaegers which while excellent suits dont have Luna Titanium armor. Meaning our veritable arsenal of balistic weapons can be put to good use.

1) opening salvo: the Outer Heaven and anyone else with them fire their beam weapons at maximum range at one Cruiser with the bits firing at the other.
2) Outer Heaven deploys Beam chaff to protect itself (and us) from return fire. Everyone else deploys beam chaff as well. This should hapen at almost the same instant as firing.
3) Nell changes targets to the Suits. Elaine begins firing the chaingun AA style. Everyone changes to ballistic weapons.
4) Full on engagement, Everybody gets down to killing mobile suits as fast as possible. David had better use that heat rod for some human shields too. The OH should continue sending out more beam chaff for as long as possible. We need to make these minutes count.

5)Once we're engaged Mauser should break off and go after either of the Zanzibars if they're not crippled yet. He has to stop them as we'll be busy. Option should try to join us and Nell should hang way the hell back.

6) If something breaks through and nobody else can get to it we should consider having Nell intercept it. I dont like it but the Elmeth can outpace even a Jaeger (barely) and its beam weapons can shoot at anything flying parallel. She just has to roll and elevate the guns. Worst case only I hope.

>I doubt a MS carries consumables for days at a time.

I AM SO HUNGRY, BUT I MUST KEEP FIGHTING CHAR

MY ONLY THIRST IS MY THIRST FOR DEFEATING THE WHITE DEVIL

I think they'll both be fine, at least until Garma and friends finally get back to space and we have to drag Char in front of an international war crimes tribunal for the whole 'nuke thing'. Plus this'll give Char some bonding time with a friendly, non-insane Zabi, which might be good for his disposition.

>>14839044
>MY ONLY THIRST IS MY THIRST FOR DEFEATING THE WHITE DEVIL

>>14838970
Sounds like a good plan, hopefully we can remember it next time. Doesn't the OH have the Minosky craft system as well? Should we try something fancy or stick to basics?
>>14839172
I've never seen a more apt use of that image.

>>14839172
In all fairness, Amuro is a tall (if quite difficult) drink of water.

>>14838273
> Amuro misses the battle of Solomon
> No one is there to destroy the Big Zam and kill Dozel
> The victory at Solomon was an unexpected Federation fluke that shocked the Zeonic leadership. All thanks to the Gundam.
> The entire war in space is now going to go dramatically different since Amuro won't be there to hurry things along, nor will he have his encounters with Lalah.

Most of your plot deviations have worked on one level or another (Though I still miss Char's Zabi spree) and didn't deviate too heavily from the established series of events. Project V still happened, Odessa still happened, the Gundam was still a pain in the ass, etc. However like a good game of Gihren's Greed we managed to come out slightly ahead in certain areas (and behind in others).

But taking Amuro out of the second most important battle in the war? One where he was a decisive factor in the Federation Victory? That's an incredibly divergent shift in the timeline, and the potential consequences of it worry me. Especially since now the White Base is without their star pilot, and this effectively takes them out of participating in a huge chunk of events they played a pivotal role in.

It's your story, but I sincerely hope you know what you're doing with such a major deviation. Especially since the death of Dozel and the Big Zam would have placed an incredible amount of strain on the Nachtmaren and removed our prime benefactor in space. (which I guess is a good thing then that it so far hasn't happened?)

The only "bright" side I see to this is a legitimate reason for the Feddies to bust out the Solomon Express and try to crack the place open given the lack of a more precise and delicate instrument.

>>14839590
> Amuro never kills Lalah, and Char and Amuro never grow their rivalry into personal enmity.
> Trojan Horse isn't there to rally the Federation in the event of a Solar Ray attack, and lead it to victory over the N Field
> Char isn't there to Shore up the S Field in the Zeong
> Amuro isn't there to subsequently decimate the S Field
> Char and Amuro don't get to have a awesome space fight, Zero G Sword fight, reconciliation with Sayla, and Char loses his last chance to shoot a Zabi in the face with a Bazooka.

Well this is certainly going to change things. Also, Amuro already had the SE Armor. It's how he survived the Nuke on Texas.

I mean, we've kind of already wiped out all of the Federations pre-existing Super Weapon-esc mobile suits right? The Pixies are mostly down, the Alex will be a non-issue, Amuro is out of the fight along with the Gundam, and we've already killed everyone who might have been an issue.

So uh, what, do we break the Federation at Solomon or A Baoa Qu and come up with some kind of draw? But then how will we have TITANS QUEST?

>>14839044

Good luck there.

>>14839648
Maybe it was an authorial decision out of fear that Amuro and Char had been built up too heavily in universe, and would detract from our own spotlight?

I mean, if the Nacht killed the Gundam people would bitch for an eternity, likewise if Char died or did something stupid. If the Gundam remains in the storyline it'll eventually kill us. It's too much of a central factor to the war in space in the key battles to follow. It's also got too much plot armor to kill. Sort of like a bad Forgotten Realms campaign the focus would inevitably shift over to these key plot figures and detract from our own ability to "influence" the timeline.

... also, what's to stop a now "war-criminal" Char from shooting Garma in the back of the head when we officially make that information public*? Like, he'll work with Garma but the moment he becomes compromised he might assassinate Garma before he is aware of the threat.

>>14839590
The development of mobile suits and related technology has gone radically different from canon-time, accelerating the rate of technological development but leaving the raw materials base divided thanks to the civil war. I'm wondering just how this has affected the development and construction of the Big Zam. It was the size of a battleship after all and might have simply been too costly to construct, but was possibly replaced with something more advanced (or the budget was just diverted into construction of more high end conventional mobile suits).

>>14839648
I'd say we should limit our command responsibility to the squad level, since the last time we took command of a major battle we ended up leading the charge of the mobile suit light brigade, and the got sent up against white base to try and score some atonement points. Let's try not to repeat that.

>>14839794
The kind of blunder we made is what gets you blacklisted for an entire career. We'll be taking orders for the rest of this war, and from commaders who might not see our unique talents in the same light.

>>14839830
Alright, we lost two MS companies, which is what. . . four squads of three men each? So we lost twenty four mobile suits, and we got bushwhacked by some superweapon no one could've seen coming.

Is that really our fault, the second one? And how big a loss is 24 MS right now?

>>14838273

This is a win-win-win.

Amuro is stuck on earth.
Char is stuck with the one Zabi who will make him NOT want to go killhappy.
Zeon stops obsessing over killing White Base. In fact, we might just see some humanity +1 shortly, if my thoughts on that omake come to pass.

>>14839794
>I'm wondering just how this has affected the development and construction of the Big Zam.
Ginias Sahalin is being forced to work on it atm so really who knows? We could end up with some kind of GIGAZAM, though I'd settle for a Big Zam that could operate in space for longer than 15 minutes.

>>14840298
The beam hax wasnt our fault (And it shouldnt have been possible unless we'd used nuclear mines.) Considering they were mostly heavy MS, it was a pritty big loss. Not to mention the MA's that also got killed. How did everyone forget about beam chaff that day?

>>14838191
More likely to be in FA gear. Zeon doesn't get the RX-78NT FA, and the Federation doesn't get Bernie, so have something that's neither.

>>14840697
Gromlin has a nice ring to it.
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/gggb/man-05.htm

>>14838970
So this'll be the plan for next week, then?

Sounds pretty good. Jolyne's railgun and Elaine's Heavy Gatling should prove to be a very unwelcome surprise for the Loyalists, especially if we can properly deploy the AB chaff.
I think Rance should stick with them to provide close in support with his machine guns, and David and Zolomon move in for some close quarters work.

>>14839590
I don't know. From what I remember about the Battle of Solomon, the Federation basically took the base without having to rely heavily on the Gundam because by that point they had enough GMs and Balls to go toe to toe with Zeon MSes, not to mention using the Solar Flare System to basically slag most of Solomon's defenses. By the time Dozle got into Big Zam, Solomon was already basically lost and he was acting as a rearguard for the retreat of what Zeon forces were left.

Best case is that Dozle puts some serious hurt on the Federation forces before successfully disengaging.