I bring my gun, my speargun, scuba gear, and a compass.

fuck the triwizard tournament.

Let's do this.

A personal anti-magic field.

Well, I own a handgun and a shotgun.
That will take me far.

I walk into the school with an automatic weapon and a mirror.

GOOD FUCKING TIMES.

>>14422567
Better yet, mirror armor!

I never understood why the wizards didn't just hire a sniper to shoot voldemort

>>14422596
They don't know what a 'sniper' is.
The newpaper article on Harry's godfather had to explain that a 'gun' is a special kind of metal wand that muggles use.

>>14422596
Magic must defeat magic!

Are they offering to supply the resources/help acquire the contraptions? Because that would make things a lot more interesting. There are all sorts of toys I'd like to get my hands on that could give me an edge.

>>14422549
>>14422554
>>14422558
>>14422565
>>14422567
>>14422596
>>14422602
guns guns and more guns
/tg/ I love you

I CHOOSE...... a set of billowy black curtains.

I never understood
They have magic pictures that play video and can be mass printed
they have magical candy and flying motorcycles and talking hats and trains...

but not one of them has enchanted a gun, or a gun-proof shield?

>>14422602
the separation between muggles and wizards is fucking ridiculous, then. Especially considering the mudbloods wizards who know damn well what a gun is.

a pinwheel and a folding chair to occupy my components as they attempt to decipher their strange abilities.

My pokemanz

>>14422639
You have to slay a dragon

>>14422629
BECAUSE they have all those things, they don't need guns
they don't need any technology passed the 19th century
this is often the fatal flaw with wizards in fantasy
they refuse to change with the world

An assortment of guns, various mythological safeguards (garlic, a mirror, silver daggerm blah, blah, blah), a leather jacket, and a motorcycle. I'm leaving that school with the virginities of hundreds of hot, teenage wizard-girls.

>>14422629
There's a Dune-style personal shield spell, iirc.
Then again, tanks.

>>14422644

RPG to the face, dragon loses

>>14422633
Most of them don't know what electricity is.
And that newspaper article did patronizingly describe a gun in a way that you would describe it to some lost amazonian tribesman who had never seen modern society.
They are lost in a world of their own and really don't get how life works for muggles. But yeah, mudbloods are clued in.

DPMS Panthe in 6.5 Creedmor.
What Dragons?
What Voldemort?
Plus that russian underwater gun for and wet shenanigans.

Shoot first, collect cup later.

"Maximum Strength"

"Targetus Tosserus via UV-32-57 rocketpoddus, Motherfuckerus."

Pic related.

Underestimate me if you wish. I will show you why you wizards hide.

>First Task
>Ghillie suit and a self firing rocket launcher as a distraction/to kill the dragon
>Second Task
>Scuba gear plus harpoon gun
>Third Task
>Google maps (I would laugh if this works. a bird's eye view of the maze? thanks!) and just a plain old hedge trimmer and a gun.

>>14422602
Then sit in the forbidden forest with a bag reading 'student food! Yummy!' on the lawn. With me, a can of insect repellent. As well as a lot of rounds and a high powered sniper rifle.

>>14422644
I'm I could easily have a nice chat with it instead.
There's no reason we can't be civil.

First task? Crash a jet into the dragon. Take egg after bailing out.

Second task? Drain the lake. With SCIENCE.

Third task? Chainsaw my way to the centre, shoot wormtail in the face.

>>14422658
>>14422658
>>14422658
this is the only acceptable outcome

noww go and be cleansed by the light of truth purity nonfakeness hope and abovve all SCIENCE

The triwziard tournament is fucked.

You have all these little students..

and then /tg/ turns up, everyone flying some sort of heavy military equipment and armed to the teeth.

Avada Kedavra, motherfuckers

My very own V-Watch!

Three words-

Tactical. Nuclear. Weapon.

Magic, meet fundamental forces of nature.

I take plastic explosive. With this, I...

1. Explode the dragon
2. Explode the mermaids and propel myself and the hostage out of the lake
3. Explode my way through the maze and explode Voldemort and all his cronies

>>14422713
no magic phrase or flick of the wrist can save them from a 3 ounce piece of steel going through their scull

>>14422772
Skullus Hardenus?

The impetuous wizard stands in front of the mudblood and snorts. The mudblood may have his own strange wand, but the wizard not afraid to use unforgivable magics. He smiles and raises his wand. "Avada Kada-" "Bang." The wizard screams in pain, his mind unsure of what to make of this spell. Blood seeps through his hand as he cradles the puncture wound. The mudblood steps forward. "Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang."

What is my current economic status OP?

With some money, I can start getting guns. With more, I can start getting bigger guns, and then finally attack helicopters.

Although, I'm not sure which would be more effective at fighting a dragon. Some sort of locking on missile like a Javelin, or a helicopter.

It seems like the dragon would have more maneuverability and would be able to rip the tail off my copter before I could react to it.

I would like a Railgun mounted on a tank, please. That takes care of the dragon and the maze.

As for the underwater section, I would like a pressurized diving suit and a crate of angry pistol shrimp.

Yeah. That's right. Fuck off, fish people. Don't make me open this box. You don't want none of this.

and then, once we defeated, nay, thrashed the triwizard tournament and became bros with the goblet of fire for letting us have this chance, we go to these schools and have ALL the bitches.

>>14422791
A grenade launcher. Aim into its mouth.

>harry potter and the methods of rationality

Look this up on fanfiction. You'll love it to death.

my god. I just realized.

There was no challenge that could not be completes be proper use of a tunneling device.

> dig underground, steal egg from below.

> dig underground, pop up periodically to looks around for friends. steal from below.

> dig though maze. fuck walls.

pic maybe related?

>>14422690
Last idea wouldn't work. Hogwarts has some odd enchantment thing that prevents complex electronics from working in the area.

>>14422844

I think considering the amount of ordnance we've just used on the poor dragon and maze, a good chunk of it will have missed and hit the school. More than a few will have hit the spectator stands too, the bitches are chunks

Hey, I just realised. Both Harry Dresden wizards and Hogwarts wizards are doomed to be destroyed by the march of technology. Eventually, people will start noticing a dead spot where nothing electronic ever functions.

Plus, you know, eventually technology will be vastly more potent than magic.

>>14422926
Technology is vastly more potent than magic RIGHT NOW. It doesn't take much to de-orbit a tungsten telephone pole right on top of your shitty English castle.

so, long and short of it, wizard community vs /tg/ with supplies, /tg/ wins.

>>14422787
I just imagined the Punisher shooting the wand in two and just pummeling the wizard to death.

Oh hells yes.

>>14422926
No no no, Dresden files becomes Shadowrun.
Harry Potter wizards become Jedi.

...Yeah.

Damnit I don't want to overcome magic society with technology, I want to fucking trade them for some magic. If you told an engineer you were going to go kill all the people who could magic away waste heat and transmute elements, you would deserve the horrible industrial accident which would befall you.

1st task

Flare Gun, remote control helicopter with sparklers and and a drug packet that could put thirty elephants into a coma.

2nd Task

Scuba Gear, spear gun

3rd Task

Compass, flamethrower, and a book of riddles

>>14423003
>implying i'm going to kill them
I'm just going to shove their wands where the sun don't shine for the uppity attitude, score with all the bitches and then steal the magic for the betterment for the world. AWAAAAY

An airplane so I can fly the fuck away from these crazy assholes.
Im in goddamn SCHOOL and you want me to fight a fucking DRAGON? Go to hell!

Timberwolf Prime, a lot of ammo, and Ride of the Valkyries playing over a loudspeaker.

1
A tank.

2
Scuba gear and a HUGE sack of DDT.

3
GPS and an automatic weapon. Also, mosquito spray.

>>14422885
So Hogwarts is highly radioactive?

Good to know

>>14423060
Typical, pussy clanners need a heavy 'mech for glorified pest control.

>>14422926
>>14422950

You guys are thinking small time.

Science doesn't make magic obsolete. It takes magic and makes it do the heavy lifting. Use magic INTELLIGENTLY.

"So, let me get this straight. You have teleportation, and all it takes is a wand and some fancy words?"

[three years later]

Engineering: "Wand array 1 online. Array 2 online. Arrays 3 and 4 online."

Command: "What is the status of the navigators?"

Navigation: "Vat-grown pureblood wizard clones are all awake. Mind control curse active and stable. Chance of squicking, 0.04%"

Command: "Flight control?"

Engineering: "The ventral giga-broom pilot is all strapped in. Point-defense levitation array on the front of the ship should move any debris out of our way before collision."

Command: "All hands: prepare for Appearation! Navigation, lay in a course for Alpha Centauri."

And thus, mankind launched the first of many Spelljammers.

>>14423070
That would explain the woods, at least.
Hippogryph soon, fellow wizard.

>>14423098
Oh, really? Wh--

SKREEEEE

>>14423087
That would blow if Potter magic is like WoD magic. And it might be, considering wizards cannot into space.

> ventral giga-broom

>>14422651
Somebody hasn't seen Just Visiting.

Dirty nuke. We all die. Hogwarts is no more and the world is saved from a further 3 shitty books and 4 shitty movies.

Now start a Twilight thread.

>>14422950
True. But I meant more along the lines of macro-lattice structures that exist outside of realspace and allow you to toss off fireballs for shits and giggles.

god i really want to see their reaction to an attack helicopter now

>>14423087

>>14423164
Only a matter of time before those can be accessed by technology.

Can I phone a friend?

>>14423172
>initial reaction
I've never seen this kind of flying beast before. Is... is that riders inside the beast? weird.
>pew pew pew
OH GOD IT'S SHOOTING FIREBALLS AT US

I want to see something like this in a modern big budget movie where science fucks up magic's shit hard.

>>14423189
I'd prefer a heavy gear armed with lots of anti tank missiles and laser weapons, to be honest.

Mostly because then you can punch out a.. oh my god.

NEON GENESIS EVANGELION COMES TO HOGWARTS.

"I AM ARISEN ANEW, HARRY POTT-"
*Splat*
"Mother? Are you here? Mother? Where are you?"

>>14423209
We will need a title and a basic plot. Then /tg/'s imagination will engage and good things will happen.

>>14423237
Carl Sagan lands in Ravenloft.

>>14423195
Harry Potter and the Wrath of the Dark Knight?

I'd buy it.

>>14423209

On a similar note, I have always wanted to see a movie where God stopped talking to us in the last couple thousands years because he is fucking terrified that humanity might declare war on him and win, so he would rather not prove his existence anymore.

Cue Gods existence being proven bu science, and mankind invading heaven over the weight of all of the petty shit you can blame on god.

*Jet Fighter guns down a host of angels*

"WHY DO BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE? WHAT KIND OF JERK INVENTS STDS, ANYWAY?"

>>14423237
MAGIC VS SCIENCE
Something about science accidentally a portal into the world of magic.
or do we not want to go syfy movie stylee?

>>14423263
Or we could just go play SDhadowrun.

>>14423255
Just because I feel like posting it.

>>14423209
you just broke my mind anon

>>14423259

Been done in fiction form, though invading heaven doesn't occur till the 2nd part.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSalvationWar

>>14423255
>Harry Potter and the Wrath of the Dark Knight?

14422644
Quick someone ask /k/ if the goal keeper system could get a lock on a dragon!

Think force multiplier!

3) The APDS sub-caliber penetrator is made from depleted uranium (DP) and has a diameter of about 0.6 in (1.5 cm). The penetrator has an thin light-alloy ballistic cap, which allows the penetrator itself to have a short conical shape. The APDS is said to be cabable of defeating twice the armor thickness as the API at a distance of 1,590 yards (1,500 m).

4) The MPDS sub-caliber penetrator is made from high-density tungsten alloy and has a diameter of about 0.6 in (1.5 cm).

5) Time of flight for APDS-T at MV = 4,019 fps (1,225 mps)
2,190 yards (2,000 m): 1.87 seconds

6) Time of flight for MPDS at MV = 3,773 fps (1,150 mps)
1,050 yards (1,000 m): 0.94 seconds
2,190 yards (2,000 m): 1.73 seconds

a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, my homeboy batmans utility belt, TRAVIS MOTHERFUCKING TOUCHDOWNS BADASSED GODDAMN SWORD.The BFG 9000, a Benelli M3, and some chicken strips

>>14423259
But... that doesn't make any sense. At all.

>>14423273

>>14423298

>Think force multiplier!

you fucking faggots keep misusing that word

>>14423222
Oh.

Oh my.

GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE WORK TO DO.

>>14423298
Quick answer: it doesn't fucking matter, since dragons are slow as hell. You'd press a button, hear a WHIRRRRRRR and see a rain of gibs.

First Task.
Steal harry's cloak of invisibility, why fight when you can hide.
Second Task
Scuba gear duh!
Third Task
Flamer thrower. I'll burn right through to the centre.

>>14423259

>>14423259
Not exactly what you were saying, but I think you'd take an interest in this:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSalvationWar

>>14423087
YOU! START WRITING BOOKS!

I wear the ring of iron. I've seen the altar housing the ashes of a dead god's heart. I've heard the crackling pulse of pure power barely contained. The living rock shelters me, and my soul is carved from ash.

Either their world will be woven into mine, or these challenges will dissolve before my gaze like morning mist when a typhoon hits.

>>14423367
Engineer's ring?

>>14422858
>>14422858
>>14422858

>>14423375
Mountain engineer's.

>>14423328
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIZ_ygG-kQ

Yesss. Third impact would be more awesome with wands.

DOESN'T MATTER

because once i'm in i steal magical artifacts such as wands, spellbooks, amulets, potion recipes, broomsticks, etc, and give them all to the S.A.S.

their weapons R&D facility jumps lightyears ahead once they've studied all these materials thoroughly and then we conquer the stars.
MUGGLES WIN EVERYTHING FOREVER.

>>14423428

....shit don't work that way, bro.

>>14422926
Yeah, but Dresdenverse wizards KNOW that normals with technology are a fucking scary thing. Dresden himself points this out more than once.

>>14423460
here's one example.
broomticks.
sticks made of wood.
able to fly at mach speed with only minor discomfort to the riders.
imagine enchanting ships or planes with that.

imagine bullets enchanted to never miss, radar modified to reveal named objects and persons. the possibilities are endless.

>>14423490

Ok. How are you doing that? You can't use magic. So..it's usless to you.

>>14423487
And they fully appreciate it as well.

For instance, Warden Morgan once had a nasty run-in with a Skinwalker. Skinwalkers are major bad news and are not to be fucked with. Morgan responds with leading the abomination to a desolate stretch of desert and slipping a back into the Nevernever just in time for the Skinwalker to become very intimate with the testing of a nuclear weapon.

>>14423498
mr. weasely's job was hunting down old artifacts that had fallen into the hands of muggles, so obviously they're not completely inert except in wizard hands.
failing that, all we'd need would be a man on the inside. Mundungus Fletcher comes to mind.

Can I choose something not invented yet? if so I would like power armor. Not 40k or Fallout power armor, I mean henshin style power armor.

"Why is he facing the dragon without anything, that muggle must be completely brain dead!"

"TRANSFORM!"

And then I would proceed to down the dragon with scientific weaponry and enhanced stength

>>14423254
MY BODY, IT IS READY. also SHUTTHEFUCKUPYOUSONOFABITCHANDTAKEMYGODDAMNMONEY.JPG

>>14423531
also with a goodly godly dose of RIDER KICK!!!!

suddenly i see the green ranger piping his zord all the way of voldemorts ass.

>>14422690

For that, you can just get the underwater varient of a AK, seriously, there is one.

>>14422658
So basically you're now Dean Winchester?

>>14423586
"AVADA KAD-"

*flying kick to the face*

"IT'S MORPHIN TIME!"

>>14423518

Yes, but you can't -make more-. You can't replicate it.

This thread reminds me of the time dresden pulled a gun on a group of harry potter wannabes and they're all "You're not meant to do that".

>>14423531
>>14423586
>>14423605
Don't forget to bring a motorcycle.

I wonder if the wizarding community at large knows that muggles have been to the moon.
I'm guessing muggleborns do, but what aobut the likes of the Weasleys or Malfoys?

>>14423649
Oh heavens no, I would never forget that. Or my badass scarf

A riot truck with a mounted water cannon. Only its not full of water, but LSD. And a fully enclosed suit with oxygen supply.

I spray the LSD at the crowd, at the dragon, in the lake, all over the maze. Wizards dont know shit about real chemistry so they'll be in for a surprise. Once EVERYTHING is tripping balls I complete each task completely unhindered, wizard nubs learn about some muggle magic.

>>14423639
I fucking love that scene.

>From Day Off

I squinted at nothing, like Clint Eastwood would do, and said nothing, like Chow Yun-Fat would do.

>Five young adults in lame gothic outfits and Harry Potter stuff stare him down and the leader accuses Harry of "desecrating his works".
>After noting that Darth Wannabe's "curse" on some nice lady's home was hardly noticible

"Sorry for your wrath, Darth Wannabe."

He recovered his composure in seconds. "Apologies will do you know good, Wizard. Now!"

He and his posse all raised their various accoutrements, sneering malevolently. "Defend yourself!"

"Okay," I said, and pulled my .44 out of my pocket.

Darth Wannabe and his posse lost their sneers.

"Wh-what?" said one of the girls, who had a nose ring that I was pretty sure was a clip-on. "What are you doing?"

"I'm a-fixin' to defend myself."

couldn't you just refuse to compete? I mean its not like they really could MAKE you do this stuff. You would just say "I lose this round".

>>14423649
>>14423605
>>14423586
>>14423531
This gives me an idea for a plot where a clan of evil mages have awoken on Earth, thinking the regular mortals the same as before, and begin wrecking shit to establish control. But some guy with power armor, the most advanced weaponry, and endless determination stands up to fight the mages to save humanity.

>>14423690

The elder Weaslys, possibly, the Malfoys? Doubt it.

Regardless, my own list.

1st Task: Flashbangs and Smoke Grenades EVERYWHERE, and I suppose a fairly easily breakable flask of deer piss.

2nd Task: Diveing suit modified to accept emergency air tank? I'm not sure about you guys, but I'm relatively sure that most of us really don't know how to operate SCUBA gear properly.

3rd Task: Easy Eight Sherman with Hedgerow clippers, maybe make it a Crocodile for shits and giggles.

task one: anti materiel rifle

task two: depth charges

task three: flamethrower

PRIZE ME

>>14423702 I complete each task completely unhindered
Having a bunch of wizards (and it seems at least one dragon) around who hear colours, see infinite-dimensional mathematical space, and think they're the metagrammatical cross-breed of a purple elephant and a sewing machine in C-minor might end up being something of an obstacle, at least once they get expressionistic about it and start forcing reality to comply with it all.

this is why I love the harry potter universe.

magic gets its SHIT STOMPED against muggles, so it hides. it's not just "lolmagic" and the wizards win everything.

Wizards in general don't seem to understand science or technology. Which is funny, since in a way, science is humanity's magic.

>>14423885
man, if a computer is anything other than a "magic box" to 90% of society, that will be news to me.

NOBODY knows how everything works any more.

>>14423863

Magic still breaks shit.

Can't plot it on a map, it looks normal no matter what....telport in, mind-rape, zoom out...

The wizards in the book are frankly, retarded. They can break the -shit- out of their system, they are just too stupid to.

AK-M with 9 magazines, RPG-7 with 3 rockets, my leather jacket, a tin of pomade and a silver Großes Messer.

>>14423863
Rowling did say in an interview that in a hypothetical fight between a muggle with a shotgun and a wizard with a wand, the muggle wins.
Harry Potter wizards aren't all that great.

>>14423926
>Großes Messer
You have good taste in swords.

This whole thread, and nobody brings Mandalorian battle armor?

>>14423991
I don't live in Star Wars, so I didn't bring it up.

>>14423690
Can you imagine what the 'pure' wizard families would think when they're told, and shown, that Muggles have not only reached space but have also split a particle too small to see and use that power to completely wipe out an entire city effortlessly? They'd fucking shit themselves.

>>14423934

It comes down to the fact that most wizards can't just think spells and shit into being; there's always some verbal, somatic, or material component to a spell.

No matter how how powerful a spell Chauncy can cast, chances are Bert can pull a trigger faster.

>>14424041
They wouldn't even know what an 'atom' or a 'bomb' are.
I guess with enough explaining and diagrams they would get it eventually.

anyone mind explaining how the muggleborn get away with not going to the state schools?

>>14423273
>superman a barbarian
>not a paladin or knight

>Niggawhatyoudoing.jpg

>>14424091
homeschooling

>>14424081
or you could show them a video of the bomb tests

>>14424117
Ah so they actually file paperwork then?

>>14424091
Mind wiping spells.

>>14424145
But i thought they couldn't use that kind of magic, like they thought it immoral.

>>14424166
mind wiping is constantly used throughout the book.
students use it on their teachers.

>>14424166
They will mind wipe a muggle at a drop of a hat.
The ministry of magic has a whole section of workers devoted to nothing but showing up and wrecking muggles' minds.

>>14424192
>>14424179
Then what was the banned or prohibited magic?

>>14424218
death, torture, mindcontrol

the three unforgivables

>>14424229
Well I'd assume mind-wipes are a form of mind control, but I guess not.

>>14424218
Mental domination is banned.
Mind wiping is A-OK.

I remember before seeing the Quiddich game, the Weaslies and Harry stayed at some place and a muggle there was stupid and out of it because all the wizards kept mind wiping him over and over again so that he wouldn't remember anything that he saw.
It was kind of grim, but none of the characters seemed to get that.
These people have a boner for mind wiping.

>>14424192
They also consider 1984 to be the biggest leak ever.

/tg/, this needs to be made. Please. Someone please writefag this.

It's sort of like HFY, but instead it's SFY.

>>14423263
>>14423209
Not big-budget by any means, but go watch Army of Darkness. Pretty much sums up what you're after.

>>14424250
Mind wiping causes no permanent damage and can be reversed (as long as someone knows they have been mindwipe). It is too useful a tool for them to get rid of it. You think however they might try to use it a little less.

>>14422537
>mudblood
You mean muggle. Mudblood are those that are half witch half muggle and have magical powers.

You could've also said squib implying we're from magical families but are nonmagical. Though I guess that would defeat the purpose of us knowing how to use muggle contraptions.

This ought to do the trick. Bring it on.

>>14422537
OP has never read Hogwarts: A History

You can't use muggle machines on the grounds. They break down due to the magic and not even the headmaster can dispell it.

Do your worst, you pre-industrial pussies!

>>14424304
Was that any machine or just electronics?
I thought it was just electronics?
So /tg/'s plan of 'guns, guns everywhere' would work.

>>14424304
>You can't use muggle machines on the grounds.
So, what, physics and chemistry no longer apply in the least? They just sort of "stop"?

>>14424304
You fail to understand how chemical propelled weapons operate.

>>14424325
I think it's just electronics.

>>14424325
I guess you really haven't read it. No. Like if you try to fire a gun, it jams and no matter how many times you try, something will fuck it up. Murphey's Law is set to 100%.

>>14424325
If it stops reactions taking place, this would be ridiculously exploitable and valuable.

>>14424336
They also have basic machinery. Like, clockwork watches would work, but electronic watches don't.

>>14424336
Replace gun with 'computer' and 'jam' with 'won't turn on' and that is a true statement.
Mechanical machines still work just fine.

>>14424304
I would imagine so with complex electronic devices, but most guns are actually very simple mechanisms with no external power source.

I figured simple things like flashlights and most guns would work, something complex, like a computer would fail.

>>14424342
Yes it does. But remember that Jo Rowling is a layman. She didn't exactly science her magic out. It DOES have crazy implications. The only reason Arthur's flying car worked on grounds is because he enchanted it. But that is actually why it died at first.

So chemical reactions don't work in these wizard zones?

How the hell do the metabolisms of the students still work?

>>14424364
MAGIC

>>14424342
if it stop chemical reactions then everything would die instantly

>>14424351
No machines period. In Harry's fourth year it was explained that summoning a scuba gear from the local village wouldn't work because of the magical barriers stopping complex machines. (No real definition, but it probably follows Terminator 2 rules for the T-1000 transformations)

>>14424358
Come off it. Guns would work. They really aren't that complex.

>>14424371
BULLSHIT

If we cant use tech on the premises, we will just use tech off premises.
Precision Artillery strikes anyone?

>>14423428
I'd like to imagine the British Military approaches particularly talented wizards who graduate Hogwarts and ask them how they feel about serving their country.

They then get attached to muggle SAS squads to hunt down particularly dangerous magical threats.

They have their wands affixed to the barrels of their rifles as if they were M203 grenade launchers

>>14424387
EXACTLY

So if I applied fire to gunpowder, it wouldn't ignite?

>>14424383
A valve on a compressed oxygen tank is too complex?

This just herpin the derp.

>>14424383
A valve is hardly even a machine.

All these Mugglesfuckyear people saying they'd bring tanks, scuba (no training lol), RPGs and other unlicensed guns (Guns in England? LOL) are retarded as fuck. You're a 14 year old kid and you have only the means of the said, sure you can get some help off the sides like Harry did but not to the point of getting military materiel at the flick of the wrist.

>>14424385
It mentions guns BY NAME. They called them "loud muggle wands...er guns?". It was explained that they can't be used on Hogwarts property by Hermione.

Seriously HAVE YOU GUYS NEVER READ HOGWARTS: A HISTORY?

>>14424355
I thought it was just wi-fi stuff that didn't work.
So you could take your phone there, and it would work fine. But you'd never get a signal

>>14424401
I think that has more to do with Rowling not really knowing much about scuba shit. Honestly, it seems like it should be complex, but once you understand it, it really isn't.

>>14424406
OP says none of that.

No Hermonine, we mostly just sleep during History of Magic class.

>>14424412
Nope there is a retarded no tech field that is not particularly consistent.
A clockwork watch (which is allowed) is more complicated than many of things the field bars

>>14424400
It would. I'm sure Hogwarts' ward just considers that an alchemical reaction. There's even a potion that uses saltpeter and sulfur.

>>14424383
I thought he wasn't allowed to do that because it would break the secrecy of magic when a set of scuba gear goes flying through a town.

Next thing you're going to say is that a modern composite longbow with pulleys and whatnot won't work, because it's made with artificial materials like high impact resin and plastic.

>>14424388
The hell with that, my dream gun shoots bee hives with knives where the stingers should be. I laugh at your puny artillery.

>>14424406
>Lily's skirt length

Confirmed for Hogwarts's village bicycle

>>14424425
that kind of shit is inconsistent and is plain plot-derp.

Here's an idea
Perhaps the field blocks devices that were invented after a certain date from working.
Sill utterly retarded, but it would explain the inconsistencies in complexity.

>>14424401
Yeah like I said Jo Rowling didn't really science her magic out.

Even the internal rules aren't that consistent. But then again as the author she probably didn't think much of that through since she had full control of the story and didn't plan to use guns, scuba gear, or anything like that. But definitely remember what happens to Arthur's car when they are flying over Hogwarts. It immediately shuts down and falls out of the sky. Then the magic kicks back in and it runs away.

I'm very sure that a mechanical pocket watch is many times more mechanically complex than my shotgun.
It has a fire pin on a spring.
The trigger releases that.
It would be hard to make a simpler machine.

>>14424408
Right, the gullible girl who believes whatever is published.

But OP, I'm a Pariah!

>>14423531
>>14423586
>>14423605
>>14423649

ooo's has some rather straight forward applications for this.

Task 1: GataKiriBa. Army of rider kicking, hopper jumping, knife wielding maniacs.
Task 2: ShaUTa. Duh.
Task 3: TaJaDor. Burn the Fucker down.

Of course you could argue Kabuto with perfect zecter and clock up, or anyone other than Kiva. Decade might have two whole seconds of trouble with the water before some sort of hax/bullshit solution (oh! like having a ShaUTa card perhaps?)

this thread has given me more than few good lols. Good work gentlemen.

>>14424425
Okay check this out: I take a pan with gunpowder in it and I attach it to a fucking iron pipe and a wooden stock and then put things blah blah blah I make a fucking musket because all a musket really needs is a chemical reaction to propel a metal ball.

If it's only complicated machines that don't work, a gun could still be used. There are some real low tech guns that still work, albiet very weakly, and only using one bullet, but still. Are you saying i could bring a flintlock onto the school campus and pulling the trigger would not cause the hammer to spark?

>>14424446
Guns have been around probably before watches.

>>14423222
Oh God, it all makes sense. The whiny, lanky, pasty dark-haired protagonist with parent issues. His redhead friend that he lives with. The off-putting sister-figure who's loyal once you get to know here. FUCK YOU for making me see this now.

MISSILES FILLED WITH ARMED SHARKS.

>>14424431
That was actually a second reason given. After Hermione reminded him about Hogwarts: A History for the four billionth time, he realized that it didn't matter since seeing a set of scuba gear WHIZZING THROUGH THE COUNTRYSIDE would probably break secrecy laws.

>>14424437
Course she is, look at that hair, thats sex hair if i ever saw it

>>14424406

Have to agree, it's a little disappointing that the solution for everything is "durr blast it with a M-16"?

Really? A real dearth of creativity here. If anything it'd be more impressive to get in and out using everyday objects.

So here's my list without weapons of any sort. I'd take:

-a mirror: lot of uses from classical mythology and folklore. Handy if I run into a gorgon, or for telling who a vampire might be, and it might even reflect a magic spell or two.

-A comb of pearlshell. Useful gift for charming a fickle nymph.

-couple bags of pet food; for helping get past magical beasts. Dog food would do wonders for a hungry Cerberus.

-A whistle or some other shrill instrument. All sorts of uses. High pitched noises can drive away spirits and the like in many folk cultures.

-A scary Halloween mask, or heck, a mask from any culture that was meant to scare away evil spirits.

-Compass - useful for mazes.

-First aid kit. This one is pretty obvious too.

-pencil and graph paper. Always handy.

>>14424388

You can't see or map the place, dawg.

>>14424467
Hmmmmm, in that case, perhaps the ward is sentient, or capable of making rudimentary decisions.
Blocking things on a case by case basis.

>>14424446
Actually that WOULD make sense. Most of the time, Wizards have very little grasp on muggle contraptions. It's likely the barrier was made to block out 1800's+ technology in Rowling's mind unconsciously and that's why she can't be consistent for shit.

>>14424509
There's a lot of evidence to suggest that Hogwarts is sapient.

LOAD SABOT

>>14424456
>Decade might have two whole seconds of trouble with the water before some sort of hax/bullshit solution (oh! like having a ShaUTa card perhaps?)
Or he could use Den-O Rod Form

>>14424519
Well then a combination of the two?
It's sentient/sapient and blocks technology that it doesn't like after a certain threshold.

>>14424462
Oh so you're THAT faggot in every roleplay who meta-games the inconsistent and magical laws of physics within the world like a total ass just to twink munchkin in a gun or a jet fighter where it doesn't fucking belong.

You make everything less fun, just so you know that.

Double-Rifle in .600 Nitro Express for the dragon.

Scuba equipment and one of those guns that you can fire underwater for the lake.

AR-10, flare pistol, frag grenades, flashbang grenades, knife and compass for the maze.

>>14424406
Oh, no? I have the common sense to realize the economic potential of artifacts that bend the laws of physics. I could walk into the shopping district and be the ruler of my own empire by the end of the year. Obtaining/making heavy weapons would be a trifling matter. Heck, my cuz is a gunsmith. I have an advantage on that front.

>>14424383
No, Harry decides against summoning Scuba gear, because it would've looked suspicious seeing it whizzing across the countryside.

Page 418, midway down the page:

" Ron quite liked the idea of using the summoning charm again - Harry had explained about aqualungs, and Ron couldn't see why Harry shouldn't summon one from the nearest Muggle town. Hermione by pointing out that, in the unlikely event that Harry managed to learn how to operate an aqualung within the set limit of an hour, he was sure to be disqualified for breaking the International Code of Wizarding Secrecy - it was too much to hope that no Muggles would spot an aqualung zooming across the countryside to Hogwarts."
- HPatGoF, 1st ed, Canadian/Euro./children's printing.

>>14424573
Oh shit. Someone just whipped out a Primary Source on fucking 4chan.

It's fucking on now.

>>14424546
You know, on the one hand I totally understand the concept of stylized physics. Star Wars has blasters, 40k has chainswords, etc. It's necessary to maintain the dynamic concept of the setting - Star Wars is dogfights in space, 40k is close-range battles, etcetera.

On the other hand, getting mad because of the application of rational physics is like the most immature thing you can do. What, you've got a problem with people thinking up fucking solutions? Guess what, asshole, if you don't like it you can probably use your INFINITE FUCKING MAGIC to deal with it. The challenge is about using mundane things, and guess what: "complex mechanical object" are simple, mundane processes that are tied together to form a reliable effect. There's no fucking tension in a world full of people who are fighting half-assed. HEY GUESS WHAT FUCKSHITS IF YOU PUT A STOCK ON YOUR WAND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HIT SOMETHING WITH YOUR FUCKING AVADA KEDAVRAS SINCE YOU STILL HAVE TO FUCKING AIM IT

>>14424546

You have my support completely on that point. This thread has been pretty disappointing in terms of creative solutions.

I haven't seen a single other post yet than is somehow weapons-free aside from: >>14422627 and >>14424504. Everything else tends to be variations on "as much dakka as I can possibly carry," which is pretty stale.

>>14424564
You're an idiot. There's not going to be a magical world where you can't do this. Stop intentionally fagging up everything with your bullshit. There's a certain extent where that faggotieness is acceptable and we're clearly passed it (hint: it was when we all found out Hogwarts stops guns from working). Stop trying to make "guns" that are not "guns".

Rowling didn't want guns to go off on grounds because it would bring unnecessary violence into a child's story, and because she has Liberal anti-gun views. The Avada Kedavra curse is her opinion on what having a gun in a household does. As retarded as she is, this clearly means that she intends for Hogwarts to have no fucking guns. Not firearms, not railguns, not fucking rubber band guns. Get it through your fucking head.

>>14424599
The entire point of the thread is non-magic shit in a magical world. Exploiting our advantage is the point.

>>14424573
Ah I admit defeat about the scuba gear. I could have sworn it wouldn't be operational.

For the first one: massive firepower should work.

For the second: cornstarch. Gelatinaze the lake, walk across it to victory.

The third: Chainsaw and make straight for the center.

>>14424437

>MFW I realized that Luna has a skirt of the exact same length.

>>14424468
>>14423222

Ohh GodDAMNIT. I cannot unsee this now.

>>14424599
COMBUSTION STILL HAPPENS IN HOGWARTS, SHITHEAD!

>>14424627
The tournament isn't the same every time. Otherwise contestants could just read a history book for the solutions.

>>14424599
>The Avada Kedavra curse is her opinion on what having a gun in a household does.
do you have a source on this because it seems like a specific magical curse that is powered by hatred is different from...

you know what, fuck it. nevermind. there's not even really a point to arguing about j.k. rowling because she just throws shit together with no sense of consistency or actually using the mechanics of the established universe

>>14424635

Sorry bitchtits, but as has been clearly stated, JK didn't want guns in her story, so she said "Lol a wizard did it". And low and behold. They don't work inside the wards. Its much more fun to outwit the dragon using a series of clever tricks anyways.

>>14424643
Yes. Yes she fucking does. I'm the one you replied to. Basically I just state what she says in the books. I don't make a habit of arguing the epistemology of it.

Guns don't work in Hogwarts.

>>14424638
Also worth noting that the tournament isn't held in the same location every time either, so it's not a guarantee you'd have to deal with the anti-tech field. Even if you did, if the wizards didn't provide some kind of workaround for the anti-muggle-tech field, you could demand an anti-magic field to even things up.

>>14424627
I would use a copious amount of triethylaluminum on the maze, if it were me. If the faggot complaining about guns had his way, I suppose chemical weapons would work just as well as guns on the dragons...

>>14424650
>JK didn't want guns in her story, so she said "Lol a wizard did it".
HEY GUESS WHAT

ANYTHING WE DO IS FUCKING IRRELEVANT BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THAT OUR VICTORY IS DEPENDENT ENTIRELY UPON THE WHIM OF AN AUTHOR

HOW DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO WORK WITHIN A SYSTEM THAT ONLY EXISTS WHEN IT NEEDS TO. EVEN IF WE HAD SPELLS THEY WOULD ONLY WORK IF ROWLING HAD WANTED THEM TO AT THE TIME, SO WE COULDN'T JUST AVADA KEDAVRA THE FUCKING DRAGON

>>14424633
Luna is wearing stockings. That's hardly bicycle-ish (though i still want to ride her and I'm a girl)

>>14424675
I'll give you something to ride...

>>14424673
It only means you can't use guns you gigantic faggot. Sure is nerd rage over something so simple as NO GUNS.

Find something else to use.

You idiots wouldn't last ten seconds on a Greek Quest with your GUNSGUNSGUNS mindset.

>>14424660
"Why don't guns work?" "Because J.K. Rowling doesn't want them to."

What a compelling universe she's created. There's no sense that anything actually exists or that any of it matters, because it's all as shallow as possible for the express purpose of telling a very short-sighted story. BUT LOL CHECK OUT THESE THREE SCHOOLS OF MAGIC THERE'S THE ALL-MALE ONE AND THE ALL-FEMALE ONE AND THE OTHER ONE AND THATS IT FOR THE WHOLE WORLD PROBABLY

>>14424638

This. Otherwise about half of Harry's problems with the Tournament would have been solved with a single trip to the Library.

Frankly I'm kinda disappointed they never brought up the whole "Its really, really easy to bind someone in a magical contract against their will" thing again. Like say, with one of Voldemorts old school essays and the goblet, putting him down as the champion for Hogwarts. Do some really easy tasks like "first one to the end of the great hall wins the first task." "Spelling Bee for the Second Task." "Third task goes to whoever makes me laugh first." Then troll face as Tom has whatever vaguely explained very bad things that forced Harry to compete happen to him.

>>14424690
No guns makes no sense. Combustion works, but just not when inside guns? Bull. Clearly, whichever wizard tested one in Hogwarts didn't know it needed to be loaded.

Alright, first and foremost on the list: Moon boots. Because fuck yes moon boots. You can fly? I can fucking jump like a motherfucker.

>>14424688
Lesbian. If you can't tell from my comment.

>>14424695
We're not contending that Rowling is some great fantasy writer. Honestly, the author wills it is just fine for this type of story. Children don't give a FUCK about complex physics. And adults that read this world are just doing it to relax and get immersed into something that isn't their shitty reality. It wasn't meant to be a comprehensive world. And yeah, Rowling probably couldn't do one if she tried. But the point is that your anger is severely misdirected. It's obvious that EVERYTHING is in the story because "the author wills it". Such as it is with almost all fucking fantasy. Getting mad isn't going to fix it.

Why are you people getting so fucking mad over "no guns"?

You Americans all seem to forget that the book takes place in Britain, where gun laws are strict and gun owners aside from farmers and hunters are seen as maniacs.

>>14424722
>Lesbian

I'm not picky.

>>14424690
Guns being allowed is in the OP. He says they are allowing muggle contraption; guns are muggle contraptions, ergo, guns are allowed. If they allow you something to make up for your lack of magic, then deny you its use, then the whole thing is bullshit anyway.

>>14422737

>brofist.jpg

I assume that I'm allowed to switch gear and not have to haul around everything all the time, so I'm going to go with a submachine gun, a shotgun, a flamethrower, scuba gear, a handgun, lots and lots of tnt, a hedge trimmer, a compass, an assortment of knives, a couple of flashbangs.. I'd probably throw in a gunblade there, too.

Also, a top hat and a cane.

>>14424722
I'll drop out if you admit that every single societal/moral message found in Harry Potter is compromised by the fact that Rowling had to change reality in order to make most of them work.

>>14424703
Because everything in book 7 was an asspull railroad that Rowling banged out at last minute on her keyboard with no checking for internal consistency.

>>14424728
But we're being invited. And seeing as how most people are American, we're going by what we would have (Fantasize about, at least). I assume we'd get them into Britain the same way we'd get there in the first place: lolmagic.

>>14424715
Next up is a bat with a nail in it. Guns need ammo, and aiming while I'm wearing my motherfukken moon boots is gonna be a bitch, so let's get some nailbat up in this fucker.

>>14424735
You might be when you find out I'm also a transwoman.

>>14424722
Because it is absurd that the only place in hogwarts combustion cannot take place is inside a firing chamber. I call bullshit.

>>14424741
AS explained a THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES NOW, it's the school's ward that fucking does this. Not any given fucking wizard and NO ONE can fucking dispell it. EVER.

At the end of the day, who needs guns?
Quick trip to their alchemy lab, create some vials filled with chlorine.
I'm pretty sure that chlorine gas will ruin a dragons day.

>>14424754
hmm, a trap? a lesbian trap? Sure, I'll do you.

>>14424744
Of fucking COURSE I admit that you idiot. I never contended the opposite.

I don't even know what you want anymore. I'm just telling you what the book actually says. By a casual layman author.

>>14424761
How does it feel to be a complete manchild?

>>14424761
so then why are "muggle contraptions" allowed by the committee

also why has nobody suggested a crossbow

>>14424722
fuck off dike. Anyway I would pass all tests with no tools. Muggle power. Meditation, Karate, and a stupid amount of luck. Then leave for the sunset.

Fine. You know what? I bring a hazmat suit and throw a vial of weaponized fucking smallpox at the goddamn audience.

Fuck all 'yall.

>>14422858

I cannot express in the words of this or any other human tongue how thankful I am that you have brought this most wonderful of stories to my attention. I cannot recall a time when I have enjoyed reading something more thoroughly than this piece of fan-fiction. Thank you, thank you very, very much.

In return, here is a picture of a winged Nurgle Daemon Prince eating a guardsman that one of our resident drawfags created for me.

>>14424778
Not a trap dear. A transgender woman. It means I have gender dysphoria. Fuck it, yes, a trap. Don't worry your silly little head about it.

But I'm taken anyway.

>>14424753
Third, I'm gonna need my trusty steed, SCUBAPONY. I might not be SCUBA trained, but SCUBAPONY has got my back as I ride his.

>>14424780
Why am I meant to give a fuck about coming up with creative solutions to a problem when its wholly irrelevant? Why are we setting up this concept when the entire point is "you can only use what the author says is okay"?

The problem isn't people who want guns, it's the people who thought this was a reasonable concept to begin with and got mad when their expectations were met with sensible decision-making. Seriously: people in this thread are bitching because, in a situation revolving around the use of "muggle contraptions", people are choosing to use the ones that actually fucking work.

>>14424722
I see what you're saying, but the fact is, Rowling didn't create a complete setting, and it allows for other locales, rules, attributes, and features, so long as they fit within the initial setting. All tabletop gaming in a pre-created setting is predicated on that. This particular world is identical to our own, just with the inclusion of magic. Other than that, the physics are identical until the primary source explicitly says otherwise. In the case of guns, they are confirmed to exist in-universe, and they're confirmed to work just fine under ordinary circumstances, the kids just don't/can't get their hands on them. Now, they might not work on Hogwarts grounds, but there's no rule that says the tournament MUST be held there, only that it was held there that one year.

>>14424784
Actually womanchild. Doesn't sound so bad anymore does it?

>>14424722
For whatever reason, firearms and their place in fictional settings makes neckbeards' hair BRISTLE in agitation. There's a huge bug up gaming nerd's ass about guns in speculative/gamist scenarios.

con the elves into building a boiler. Then explode the boiler. Solution to your dragon problem, right there.

>>14424811
Not ACTUALLY a womanchild, per se.

>>14424819
I've noticed this. Nerds get really buttagitated about guns in fantasy for some reason.

>>14424808
This is by far the best post in the thread.
Also girl who was saying guns don't work on Hogwarts grounds here, you are quite correct. This doesn't have to be held at Hogwarts. Though we don't actually know how Durmstrang and Beuaxbatons work.

Hey, I'd just fire up an acetylene torch and melt that fucking Cup. According to canon, enough fire destroys all artifacts. Contract terminated.

>>14424796

That's a one horned one eyed flying purple people eater, by the way.

>>14424807

The "complaint" was from this corner here, not the OP (if indeed the OP is even still around).

And it seems what "works", according to the vast majority, is to simply bring in more firepower. It's not really a complaint, more generalized disappointment at the fact that this is all people can come up with.

>>14424803
Next up, what are the rules on having outside help? And where can I get a trebuchet on short notice?

>>14424811
>transwoman
Nope. You're a manchild. Deal w/ it, nerd.
Also, I hope someone bashes your skull in with rocks.

>>14424852
>I've noticed this. Nerds get really buttagitated about guns in fantasy for some reason.
It's because people who don't know about guns assume they're some instant death thing that you just point at a person and have them die and there's nothing else to it. So yes, Avada Kedavra is the HP equivalent of a gun, as described by a stupid person.

In other fantasy, it's just stupidity. People who think guns don't belong in fantasy or they're super-powerful don't realize how much damage an arrow or bolt does to the human body and how much strength is behind it.

>>14424791

Simple-easy fix. And then they mind-wipe you so bad you drool for the rest of your life.

>>14424870
Outside help is strictly forbidden. Contestants are expected to solve all the rounds on their own. However, it's understood that lots of cheating goes on and as long as no one is caught, no investigations are done.

Inform the various intelligence organs monitoring the Wizards that the time has come. The genocide contingency that had been planned out for years would only take about one night, and then the survivors go to work to find Goblins everywhere.

>>14424880
The reason why arrows and bolts are more allowable is because they don't have the same RAPIDITY in firing.

Though I would contend that the Chinese crossbow as invented by Sun Tzu would qualify as an auto-repeating crossbow and is horrifyingly deadly.

>It's because people who don't know about guns assume they're some instant death thing that you just point at a person and have them die and there's nothing else to it.

Ultimately I ragequit from nwod for this reason (and no I never got a char of mine fucked up with bullets)

>>14424868
>more generalized disappointment at the fact that this is all people can come up with.
I would suspect it's largely because (a) we don't give a fuck and (b) if we're going by the basis of "we don't know what the problems are" there's no real way to prepare for it other than bringing EVERYTHING.

Hell, Harry & his friends had access to like the whole arsenal of magical herbs and potions and they basically had to be led to each solution - it was a plot point, even, since fake-Moony was helping them along. How are we supposed to make rational decisions about overcoming problems through mundane methods when even the actual characters in the story needed to be prodded and pushed to figure it out with the help of magic?

So here's what you should have done:

ATTN /tg/ HERE IS A RIDDLE FOR YOU SEE IF YOU CAN SOLVE IT

>>14424902
>they don't have the same RAPIDITY in firing.
when people are talking about guns in fantasy they are talking about muskets

and plenty of games have repeater-crossbows anyways

>>14424880
More likely, people don't like it because they want to preserve the "fantasy" feel to fantasy.

Personally, I don't mind guns in a proper setting. I'm a fan of steampunk regardless.

>>14424888
Well, then I'll just use my 'muggle talking box' to summon rocks from the sky.

>>14424868
Yeah, fair enough. As much "Science Fuck Yeah", awesomeness, and simple catharsis there is in taking the easy route and blasting the shit out of a dragon, it just perpetuates one of my biggest issues with the setting, the lack of magical creativity. As much as /tg/ is known for "get shit done!", it'd probably be more fun here to come up with more innovative ways to do the job. And this is coming from a guy who loved the MORE DAKKA options upthread.

>>14424922
Well the thing gunpowder changed was the velocity of the projectile. Before that, it was rare to see an arrow puncture full plate unless it was a heavy artillery bolt. But with guns, they gave you a portable and handheld solution to armor. Hence why armor started to die off. A few special corps still wore like a single breastplate but that was mostly to stop knife attacks. After guns, armor is useless.

>>14424946
Blind leading the blind, huh?

To put it bluntly: no. You're wrong. You're not correct. The word "bulletproof" exists for a reason. Yes, guns EVENTUALLY reached the point where they made armor less than useful, but this period took HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

>>14424946
Not so. I've seen videos, longbows WILL punch straight through plate at a good hundred yards. It's the curves of it that deflect bolts, not the hardness.

>>14424946
>Before that, it was rare to see an arrow puncture full plate
>Plate before guns
>hand cannons first used in the early 1300s
>full plate first shows up in late 1300s

>>14424963
I said STARTED to die off you fuckfence. Take the Musketeer for example. Wearing a breastplate, carrying a sword, and a gun.

But you can damn well bet that musket will shred that breastplate.

And don't even get me started on the blunderbuss.

>>14424975
>by CHINA

>>14424944
It's really just a matter of a few people getting nerd-rage going about THE RULES and BUT THE RULES ARE STUPID that's narrowing the discussion down. Also the triwizard tournament is different every time, and held in a different place as well, so saying "Okay you are muggle in tournament go" is not sufficient introduction to the problem for creativity to come into play. What are the trials, where are the trials being held, and are there any special rules that we should be aware of? Those are questions the OP should have answered for this thread to result in something more interesting than nerds arguing over how simple guns are and how complex magic can get.

>>14424944

My thoughts exactly. Consider >>14424504 or >>14424715
Slightly goofy, but much more interesting to consider than endless posts of "I bring an assault rifle." "Okay, I bring a tank." "Okay, I bring a battlemech!" "Okay, I call down an orbital satellite!" I'm not questioning their effectiveness, but it gets pretty stale and devolves into a "which weapon of mass destruction is your favourite, /tg/?"

Sometimes it's just refreshing to see a player finesse or outwit a challenge rather than just bashing it on the head.

>>14424985
13th CENTURY (i.e. 1200s) for China, thanks for reading Wikipedia wrong.

>>14424977
>But you can damn well bet that musket will shred that breastplate.
Yeah, if you're like five feet away. There was a reason that Cuirassiers were still around in the 1800s.

>>14424977
Are you kidding? Plate WILL offer protection against that musket ball. It might even deflect it if hit at an angle.

Okay. Folks? Combustion works. Chemicals work. Electricity does not. The laws of physics as affected by magic makes electrons not flow, or at least that's the going fan theory. Nothing else is consistent.

Guns would work except the author didn't want them in. Find me chapter and verse where she says they don't work and I'll accept it. Otherwise, I'm still sticking to this explanation. And it means the car died because the alternator (or generator, as it is a particularly old model) won't function in a magic field.

I'm gonna use summa dat magic trinkets to make me a singularity generator.

>>14425041
That's what I've been arguing. Combustion still happens, but guns don't work? Whoever tried to use one at hogwarts didn't know HOW to use it, and thusly wrote down that they don't work there. Logical assumption, I think.

I will bring only one thing.

And iPod with DragonForce's best on it.

>>14425068

Or it's fucking MAGIC. You know. Because it is.

Use falling pianos to murder the rival champions. Winner by default.

>>14425090
again: how are we supposed to come up with a logical solution to a given problem when the list of things that work and don't work is constantly changing

nevermind the fact that no actual problem is given, just a hypothetical "there will be challenges" thing

Magic that works ONLY inside guns? Riiiiiiight...

>>14425090
That, to me, is no answer at all. If magic works, our knowledge of physics is incomplete. It isn't somehow "outside" of physics. The fact that they attribute it to the supernatural just means "we don't know, either. It just works that way." If you find out the why and how, the implementation would be greatly improved. (See: The Spelljammer suggestion upthread.) Along the same lines, knowing the why and how allow you to figure out workarounds. Magic wouldn't just work by, well, magic.

kay, should we declare this thread officially dead now?

>>14425187
4chan does that for us. It's called autosage.

>>14425204
>>14425187
What do you guys think, worth archiving?

>>14424715
>>14424753
>>14424803
>>14424870

I'd be rooting for you

nah.

First challenge: A cow carcass filled with to the brim with Strychnine and Diazepam, and a catapult.

Second challenge: Some of that weed Harry used, scuba fins, scuba mask, diver's knife, and a speargun. If I can't have that weed, and scuba tanks don't work, I chill on the dock and read a playboy or something.

Third challenge: The magical maze. Several dozen road flares, a chainsaw, another couple of cow carcasses, a sled, and a horse.

Oh, and I chat up the house elves and get friendly with them, then convince them to pull pranks with food prep for breakfast/dinner night before. I'm think massed laxitives would work nicely.

>>14424977

Maybe if it were an actual BULLET or literally shooting a guy from a couple feet away the breastplate would be useless. Gotta remember, muskets and blunderbusses don't shoot bullets, they shoot ball-shaped projectiles. Unless you're using some kind of crazy overkill propellant which would probably fuck up the barrel after one shot or at REALLY REALLY close range the breastplate would actually serve you pretty well as defense from guns. You wouldn't want to be hit by one but it also probably wouldn't kill you.

>>14425041
No that's really dumb and would result in everything within Hogwarts dying and the breakdown of all chemical bonds in the area. Electron exchange is important.

Now, one might argue that muggle devices malfunctioning is due to the space-manipulation necessary to Hogwart's function. The founders, being easily amused idiots wanted their hallways to lead into other hallways on different floors and to have rooms appear out of nowhere and whatever, so they created a castle that, while its outer walls are consistent, is all sorts of spacially fucked up inside.

In order to protect their students from dying of brain aneurisms and heart attacks every time they rescaled while crossing the invisible threshholds between chunks of malformed space, they made the Hogwarts wards such that they'd keep all of the living beings inside at consistent scales. They didn't extend this protection to every single object in the castle because magic doesn't grow on trees and also because they didn't see a need. They never even considered that someone would eventually invent mechanical devices that would only run while within microscopic tolerances in totally euclidean spaces. What kind of idiots would do that?

One might argue that, but they'd be wrong. J.K. Rowling is just a boring old person who resents technology and couldn't find a way to reconcile its existence with her relatively unimaginative ideal fantasy world.

>>14425249
>Gotta remember, muskets and blunderbusses don't shoot bullets, they shoot ball-shaped projectiles.

bul·let (blt)
n.
1.
a. A usually metal projectile in the shape of a pointed cylinder or a ball that is expelled from a firearm, especially a rifle or handgun.
b. Such a projectile in a metal casing; a cartridge.
2. An object resembling a projectile in shape, action, or effect.
3. Printing A heavy dot ( · ) used to highlight a particular passage.

>>14425262
Fair in-universe explanation, actually. If we think of Hogwarts as a TARDIS times a few million, a little fucked-uppedness is to be expected.

>>14425262
I just ascribe the effect to the Clap Your Hands If You Believe trope. That has to be the only explanation for it.

>>14425287

Ok, my bad. They shot badly made bullets that could be cast by a 7 year old.

>>14425314
Basically, shot.

low velocity, round enough to bounce off curved surfaces.

Wasn't it stated that American wizards were actually pretty comfortable with tech and it was mostly just the European ones that were retarded? AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

>>14425229
Thanks bro. I figure the trebuchet can take care of the dragon (if my team is accurate enough with it). If it's just wounded, I can bound in there on my moon boots and finish it off with the nailbat.

Then it's me and SCUBAPONY down into the lake. Not a hundred percent sure how we're gonna get through this one, but me and SCUBAPONY have managed our way out of worse.

For the maze, I just use my MOON BOOTS to jump over hedges like a madman, and bean any monsters I see with the nailbat.

Might not win, but those wizards are gonna think twice before looking down on muggles. Because they're gonna have to keep looking up to make sure I'm not about to land on 'em with my MOON BOOTS.

>>14422858

I love this already! Thank you whoever you are!

For the benefit of everyone else:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality

>>14425647
That is the best shit ever. Also, one VERY important thing to bear in mind: Quirrel does not wear a turban and doesn't have a Voldemort face on the back of his head.

>>14422858

I hate you. Because I'm going to be very low on sleep. Thanks.