http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13669612&postcount=133 (Jenna Moran)
>I believe that this makes it legal but unethical to proceed with this art.
>Eos is going to delay printing by hopefully 2-3 weeks while we replace the pieces from the artist in question, possibly with a couple of exceptions that were sketched in the Eos offices.
>I will make a formal press releasy kind of post about this, possibly after taking measures to become awake. This will also appear on the Eos site.

http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13669881&postcount=141
>Please. I'd really like to minimize this delay and have awesome art. ^_^

Let's help her out with some links.

The picture that "Dahlia Thorn" was traced from:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/539701

Info on the artist and links to his website:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/artist/show?name=tomasu

Just in case the artist wants to trace her some more, other fanart of the character:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/433111
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/748190
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/317975
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/840655
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/773736
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/441796
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/840990
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/842147

The picture that "Stone Cold Eeyore" was traced from:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/392045

Info on the artist and links to his website:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=yoru_%28xueyinye%29

If tracing is counted as plagiarizing then this is to be expected.

So not ONLY did they replace the mediocre dark art with crappily drawn anime, but they also replace it with TOUHOU anime?

HAHAHAHAHA

>Losing all of the Excrucian pictures would be pretty bad. I quite liked them.

Wait what? Someone like those pictures?

>>14298805
The really funny part (except you calling the art and Touhou both 'anime', a real killer troll that one, good job!), is that they seem to LIKE THE FUCKING ART

WHAT.

>>14298823

http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13672050&postcount=179
>What seems really strange to me, is they are clearly a fairly talented/practiced artist I mean I like the pieces quite a bit better then what they were traced from.

The target market for Nobilis Third Edition is clearly 13-25-year-old girls who flock to DeviantArt.

>>14298774
>>14298782
wow, I absolutely do not care. whether or not an artist is kept in a nobilis PDF is the least important issue I have heard of in the last month.

However, this is also the most well supported 4chan post I've seen in months. WHY THE FUCK

10/10 troll, all stars

>>14298853
>I like the pieces quite a bit better then what they were traced from.

They were fucking same pictures, expect that the traced ones had even blander faces. Is this person blind or retarded?

>>14298872
I haven't looked at the pictures, but from simple logic we can deduce the solution to this.

You say the only change is blender faces.

He says he likes them better than the previous ones.

Therefore, he likes blender faces.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

This isn't a rare thing you know

>>14298872
Both. Also slobbering all over Moran's non-existent cock.

>>14298886
That is tasteless. What book is that from?

>>14298909
Hunter: The Vigil

>>14298884
Ah yes. Blender faces are pretty hot.

>>14298915
aw yeeee boooiiiii

sexy as hell all up ins. check out them BUTTONS

>>14298886
>>14298886
Oh SNAP.

Okay who else is getting fooled by this shit? And paying for it?

>>14298923
What I don't see is A. why people do it

and B. why people care so much

WHY IS THIS EVEN A THING. I didn't even know this was a problem! how the hell -is- this a problem!

what the fuck is going on!

>>14298923
I'm sure I could find more, but honestly I can't be assed. It's relatively common among artists

>>14298940
a.) Many artists use other peoples' photos or artwork as inspiration or pose references. While this is an accepted practice, some take it a bit too far and outright trace things.
b.) because the original artist isn't getting credit or money for their work and that's BAD.

>>14298940
It's "stealing" art to use as your own -- it shows a lack of taste, or a lack of money and talent and time when you need to get the book done. Maybe both.

Bonus points to someone who can pick out traced art in Exalted. I'd really like to see that, if there is any.

Bahahahaha!
Some people get mad about the (in progress) Deluxe-/tg/-3e Nobilis for using stolen artwork, and it turns out that's what the official edition was doing the whole time? Christ, at least we're upfront about the art not being ours. Oh, and also, ours doesn't suck hard. God, this is just too funny. You really can't write this shit.

>Rebecca Borgstrom has horrible taste in art

I am shocked, I say SHOCKED, at this development.

>>14299037
I imagined this being spoken by an old English dandy and laughed my ass off.

>>14298886
lol holy shit

someone send this to capcom

>>14299075

I heard Foghorn Leghorn.

You all know that the Nobilis team is now part of EOS-Sama in China, right? Why'd they move there, you ask? Weeeeeeellllllllllll...

http://www.eos-sama.com/news.html
>When we branch out we really branch out, EOS is happy to announce the opening of our Maid Cafe/Comic and Gaming Store in the beautiful city of Suzhou, Jiangsu Province, in the People’s Republic of China.
>So yes this store is where; besides finding the latest in comics, video games and board and role playing games; you can enjoy a delicious dessert, and a relaxing cup of coffee or tea, being served by our lovely and delicate maids.
>True, we do things with style in China! So if you ever happen to stop by Suzhou and one of your dreams is playing Weapons of the Gods or Unhallowed Metropolis with cute Asian girls in French Maid costume, please stop by.

Who wants to play some Nobilis 3e, traced art edition, with minimum-waged Chinese girls in "French Maid" costumes?

>>14298923
/co/mrade here.

You honestly think that's bad? Google Greg Land. I fucking dare you.

>>14299106
I can't fucking believe that.

What's funny is that I could go there for about $300 flying and yet I have no interest in gaming with anyone other than my bros.

>>14299118
Oh man.

I just had the best idea.

>If anyone has a fast, marginally affordable anime-style artist on tap substantially better than the guy who did our Light/Dark stuff, speak now or forever hold your peace.

Someone send her Land's number

>>14299118

God dammit. Don't remind me. Even Liefeld is a better artist than him, because Liefeld is an actual artist, albeit a bad one.

>>14298782
http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13669881&postcount=141
>Please. I'd really like to minimize this delay and have awesome art. ^_^
>awesome art
>^_^

Ladies and gentlemen, Jenna Moran in a nutshell.

http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13669482&postcount=126 (Jenna Moran)
>I'm not going to bloody have it use traced art, copyright or not.
>If anyone has a fast, marginally affordable anime-style artist on tap substantially better than the guy who did our Light/Dark stuff, speak now or forever hold your peace.

Can't we send her one of OUR drawfags? Anyone, go pitch an offer to her!

>>14299141
I'm reminding you, Richard.

>>14299151
Point her to some obscure furfag.

She obviously doesn't care about quality the least so let her reap that.

>>14299151
Or be totally evil and send her one of our scariest ones....

>>14299159

The real crime is the fact that we know from his previous works that Greg Land can actually draw, it's just that working for Marvel for so long has basically caused him to go "oh what's the point".

Liefields a dick anyway. The guy broke contract with Marvel, took all of their good artists with him, and went and founded his own comic-book studio after almost a decade of Marvel blowing smoke up his ass and treating him like the Sun King. Often to detriment of the writers attatched to him, even longstanding ones who'd been with the company for decades and had helped make several of their biggest franchises what they were today.

TEll her to contact Jay Naylor

>>14299257
Actually, thinking on, the real crime here was actually the fact that he traced porn when Land did a powerpack comic. I think he actually got taken to court over that one.

>>14299268

Any relation to Grant Naylor who did Red Dwarf?

>>14299268
>>14299278
That's a furry artist isn't it?

>>14299278
God I hope not...

Traced art or not, the biggest faggots remain the ones who baaaaaaaaaaaaawed so much about OMG ITS ANIMU ART THE WORLD SHE IS ENDING that they NEEDED a "non-weeaboo version" in the fucking first place.

>>14299274
Wait what?

>>14299312
>fans don't like the art
>instead of complaining idly about it like people usually do, they actually do something about it
>implying this is bad
cancer detected

http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13671654&postcount=174
>I imagine that if a second artist were to be credibly impeached we'd be looking a whole other level of heartbreak.

/tg/, can we do this? Can we find a second tracing artist in the book and push the book's release date to 2012?

http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=13669612&postcount=133
>I'd love help finding suitable artists here, but I expect that budgetary concerns, particularly for an unanticipated replacement of 68 pieces, will restrict us to local artists and probably delay us more than the 2-3 weeks we hope.

Oh boy, they're turning to even crappier Chinese sweatshop tracer "artists"!

>Trace over someone's art and sell it as your own: douchebag

>:Pirate a rulebook, tear out all the art, replace it with *other* pirate art, then rewrite the fluff and crunch to fit: not douchebag

Um.

>>14300002

One person charges for their dubious service, the other doesn't.

There are degrees.

>>14300002
>Do a shitty job for money: douchebag
>Improve something for free: not douchebag

>>14300002
If someone was payed to write a system, and they took the Nobilis book and submitted that as their work, then that would be douchebaggery too.

This has to be a trace of Alice Margatroid (or maybe Marisa Kirisame). It HAS to be. Just look at the hairstyle, the dress, and the short sleeves.

I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't interested in contacting these guys.

It's better than drawing furry porn for a did-it-for-the-money gig in that you can actually add it to your resume.

>>14299268
fufufufu

Can we have a thread link, rather than just all these post links?

>>14300296
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=566820

>>14300246

I'm an RPGnet member, but I definitely do not like the anime pictures. That asshole who thinks the traced pictures were better is a dumbass.

Having paid for the PDF, I approve of 4chan's version of Nobilis. I say, if you've bought the book, you shouldn't feel morally wrong about getting the 4chan version.

The epub's been uploaded by me to rs, by the way, so that will hopefully make the 4chan edition come along smoothly.

If someone wants it, here's the thread currently being used for our fixing of the book.

>>14264132

>>14300147
That art is from the tracer artist, it's also being ripped out of the book.

>Dahlia Thorn
>Dahlia Hawthorne
They're ripping off Ace Attorney too eh.
>Rehearsals essyr
Yes, sir! Rehearsals!

>>14300699
I love how the latest post in that thread (as of the time of this writing) has...

>Estate: Theft.
>Inherent Superiority: Theft [5]
>Affliction: I always leave a trail. [2]
>Bond: I can steal this. [5]

>>14300842
I was thinking that as well. Wtf?

Also, what the hell is wrong with people in that thread? They actually LIKE the illustrations? I'm no anime fan, but even I can recognize that the originals are more aesthetically pleasing. The shading is better, more professional, and much more correct, especially in terms of clothing.

Okay, I'm 100% totally new to Nobilis, but what on earth is this? Is this a troll thread? Is this cherry picked bad examples? These captions sound like bad fanfiction or something.

>>14301491
the original thread is here >>14300699

see for yourself

I'm a fan of anime and the art I've seen from Nobilis 3e makes my soul hurt. The fact that somebody was paid for that shit is an injustice to even mediocre artists.