>I have followed the myriad potential futures of the Tau with great interest. Though barely even striplings compared to us, I feel a strange protectiveness towards them. In time I believe they will exceed even our greatest feats and master the darkness within their souls.
Thats the most obscure that I know.

Perhaps topknots are a power source in 40K?

>>14159946
So it's not bullshit, the tau are actually batshit insane when there's no Etheral.

>>14159985

That's pretty much the point, the Tau were on the verge of extinction before the Ethereals intervened.

>>14159985
The tau have always been batshit insane. Look at commander farsight.

>>14160009
Well duh. You don't know Chaos is insane?

>>14159985
Wha-The quote didn't even mention Ethereals at all.

Extra kind of Eldar crystal; dreamstones.

>'He poured them out onto his hand and felt the tingle as they touched his flesh. Dreamstones, enough to buy a small planet if they
>were real and unflawed. Somehow, he knew that they were. Their value to himself and his House was incredible. Dreamstones
>were one of the few things capable of protecting the mind against the depredations of Chaos. They helped absorb the baleful
>emissions of the immaterium, and prevented the dreadful nightmares which could afflict a Navigator after too much contact with
>the stuff of the other realm. Of course, not just Navigators used them, so did sorcerers, alchemists - even, it was said, members of
>the Inquisition. Anyone who had cause to fear the evil influence of the Great Darkness had use for them, and they came from only
>one source: the Craftworld of Ulthwe.'

Only Farseers and Warlocks can bestow them, and calling upon their power can seriously damage things of Chaos.

>BEGINNINGS SWIRL INTO the forgotten past, like ideas fading into the inconstant oceans of memory. >They swim, free-floating on
>the cusp of the empyrean, flickering in and out of reality, as though prodding at the consciousness of a submerged mind. Without
>warning - or with warnings so subtle that they pass as mere comets' tails or clouds of burning gas - an old beginning can push
>itself out of forgetfulness and cast itself into the glare of a new sun, dragging itself out of the oceans of darkness and into the light
>once again.
>There are but few whose thoughts sense the eddies and dances of moments gone by, and fewer still whose souls sail the very brink
>of the abyss from which the ghosts of beginnings and ends emerge into our world. And those few are both the best and the worst of
>us, for there is nothing hidden to them in the great expanse of time. But even the greatest of them is not always free to choose the
sea-lanes on which their visions might sail.
>The future is no different from the past. It is nothing more than a beginning yet to come, and it curdles in the endless ocean of
>time, riddling the depths of the invisible realms with immaterial phantasms. It is the idea of a current and the suggestion of a
>storm; it is the gathering cloud that persuades a sailor to drop anchor, to head for land, or to brace for the coming of hell. But not
>every wisp of vapour births a maelstrom, and not every sailor looks up to heaven.

>>14160058


>The future grows from myriad beginnings, but each of those beginnings also have a beginning of their own - an infinity of
>regressions back to The Beginning, before which an origin was not even a word and the future was an unbounded explosion of
>light. It was not a moment or an event, but a tear in the very fabric of our universe, through which the empyrean and the material
>realm could spill and mingle. Before the tear, there was nothing but darkness or perhaps nothing but light, and from it was born
>reality itself.
>The Old Ones told of a time after The Beginning when an Ancient Enemy emerged from the hearts of a thousand suns, feeding on
>light, drinking the very life of the galaxy. These glittering beings were born entirely into the material realm, and they were its
>undisputed lords - commanding the very stars themselves. But mastering the materium and conquering the galaxy were not the
>same thing, and the Old Ones confronted this Ancient Foe by surfing the tides of the immaterium, drawing ineffable power from
>realms incomprehensible to the star gods, realms swimming with the unformed and raw powers of daemons and gods.
>I have heard legends that this was the time when daemons first dragged themselves into existence, clawing their way through the
>rift between realms, salivating at the scent of life on the other side. And I have also heard that eldar more ancient even than
>Asurmen himself were born into this time, fed by curdling eddies of power where the Old Ones stirred the material and immaterial
>together with a giant, warp-stone jewelled spear. Thus the Old Ones stood against them at the dawn of war itself. Despite the
>machinations of the Ancient Enemy, the tear in the galaxy was never sealed, and from it continues to pour the echoes and
>promises of our eternity. From it seeps hope and damnation together.

>>14160070

>Buried in the deepest vaults of the Black Library, hidden from the eyes of the young races and the foolish hearts of our time, lie
>the tomes of the most ancient of the eldar, the very first volumes to be taken into the care of the Harlequins, older than the
>mysterious library itself. There are rumours that these timeless texts may even bear the imprints of the Old Ones themselves. I
>have seen them, and they are exquisite.
>The Black Library itself lies veiled in the lashes of the webways that riddle the great tear, surfing the empyrean tides as a glorious
>galleon in the light-streaked darkness. If the Ancient Enemy were to return to complete their Great Work, then the tear would be
>sown up, the Library would blink out of existence and the sons of Asuryan would be cut off from their life source forever. We
>would cease to be; cease to ever have been as the universe was severed from its own memories. The Eye of Isha would dim,
>closing for all eternity. The legacy of the Old Ones would vanish.
>For the Ancient Foe have no souls, and thus nothing to fear by severing reality in two - draining the life force from the substance
>of life.
>For the Ancient Foe have only life, and an insatiable thirst for death.
>For the Ancient Foe were turned back only by the blinding brilliance of Isha's gaze, and, were that gaze ever to fade, there would
>be nothing to stand before them.
>Thus the gaze of Isha is cast over the universe, sprinkling it with moments of light, ever vigilant for the first stirrings of ancient
>endings.

>>14160077

>And it is to the farseer that we turn for visions of time beyond and around our own; it is they who pilot our craftworlds through
>the treacherous tides and webs of fate, casting their eternal souls to skim the fringes of the ineffable abyss. They are the
>navigators of our souls, seeing the past and future blended into our present, seeing ancient origins swimming into our destinies
>together with the daemons who continue to claw their way into our realm.
>But I have seen the treachery of our ways: even the farseers cannot see everything or everywhen, and if they could it would drive
>them into madness. Visions of paradise and hell are inseparable: the great tear brings both glory and annihilation - it is the
>birthplace of war and victory. With the eldar, our daemons were also born into reality, and even I cannot see whether it was wise
>to pay this price to arrest the advance of the Ancient Foe. Even the present is unclear - visions of elsewhen are doubly
>treacherous.
>From The Treachery of Vision by Eldrad Ulthran, Ulthwe

Well, there is one from Path of the Warrior...


Only, it's rather...

spoilertastic.


SPOILERS

Turns out Dark Eldar can be redeemed; one of the Striking Scorpions is actually a DEldar, reformed after ages of hard work to that effect. So clearly Craftworld Eldar can, if pushed to it, find a way to intervene regarding the soul-hunger that drives their fallen kin.

Path of the Warrior has lots of the more obscure details; even the ones you don't normally think of, like 'well, what do they eat?' and how they get around the Craftworld.
Plus stuff about civilian Eldar arts and hobbies, and mentions of other Paths - like the fact that servants on Craftworlds are Eldar taking that path to foster humility and patience.

>>14160077
>>14160077
> the very first volumes to be taken into the care of the Harlequins

If harlequins are entrusted with knowledge that could significantly alter the universe..

why are they an elites choice for the dark eldar army on the gw shop page? I'm not gonna check but I'm guessing you can also take harlequins for eldar armies as well.

Why?

re Eldar heights I always just assume around 7' tall

>>14160205
Harlequins hang out with all the rest. Even Dark Eldar don't screw with them; makes them scarier than they seem, really, once you take that into account.

>>14160205
They keep all the big Eldar secrets tucked away in their Black Library.

>>14160247
>>14160232
so they don't give a fuck about slaanesh because they have more horrible things to worry about?

oh shi- not sure if this was retconned but then why was Cypher allowed in then? fucking GW and their loose plot ends.

>>14160258
The Harlequins do some fancy ritual that protects them from Slaanesh's grasp.

>>14160268
Only it's kinda... dangerous.

'Potential to have your soul ripped out of your body, damning you upon death to Slaanesh's grip' dangerous.
Harlequin Solitaires are the ones who didn't die in the process, but whose souls got damaged by it - practically everyone avoids them, only a gamble of Cegorach can save them, and only they play the part of Slaanesh in performances depicting the Fall, as anyone else would be driven insane.

...Which is why the rest of the Eldar don't just turn around and do the same thing; it's really fucking risky.

>>14160268

No, their souls have already been taken by Cegorach. Although, to be fair, there might be some kind of ritual involved.

>>14160291
There is. Its semi-fail cases are Solitaires. Its fail cases, of course, are dead.

>>14160258
IDIOT! IDIOT!

They led an Ordo Xenos inquisitor in. Czevak.

Not a FUCKING CHAOS SPACE MARINE!

>>14159874
Actually, Time Lords in 40k would be hilarious.

>>14162300
Quite possibly the one thing that would make 40K even more complicated.

>>14162854
Eldrad is a dick... and a Time Lord?

>>14162854
Orks already time travel, one went back in time to kill himself to get a second copy of his favorite shooter.
I believe that waaagh was called off on account of confusion.

>>14163232
Looted TARDIS.

>>14164062

they'd have to loot it from the Blood Ravens first.

>>14163232
????? explain!?

Eldar are a dying race because their goddess Isha is in the grip of Nurgle, causing their race to decay. They are so obsessed with being free of Slaanesh that they deny themselves pleasure, the source of new life.

Isha is based on the Egyptian fertility goddess Isis. Hence no sex and no fertility = dying race

Pic related, its Isha's weeping eye

>>14164260

an ork fleet got stuck in a warp storm and came back out minutes before they entered it

a big fight broke out as they fought themselves and the warboss killed himself from before and now has two of his favorite gun

>>14159874The other thing: Obscure Eldar fluff. I'm looking for whatever you've got of it. Interesting snippets or quotes or other bits of info that might be nice to share.


Eldar are the most notorious pirates in 40k. Everyone knows what Eldar are, because Eldar pirates are everywhere.

Eldar pirates attack everyone, including other Eldar and orks.

That means that Eldar will ambush orks, cripple their ships, board them, fight their way through and steal their gubbinz

so there are Eldar out there with squigs, klaws, and maybe a Shokk Attack Gun

>>14165162
Where did you get the idea that they don't have sex?
Mating isn't a cause for concern if you consider what Gav Thorpe writes to be canon. They even have casual flings.

Its just that it takes a hell of a lot of effort of an eldar child to be born, the father needing to add more genetic material as the embryo comes to term.

Eldar are those things Matt Ward created to be used like pretty punching bags by Space Marines all the time, right?

Eldar are a dying race because THEY GET KILLED

and their idea of Teenage Rebellion is "FUCK YOU DAD I'M JOINING A SPACE PIRATE FLEET"

and their idea of a productive way of working out dem hormones is "Here's a high powered sniper rifle and camo cloak son, now you be careful wandering the dark corners of the cosmos and write home every century or so, y'year?"

>>14165338
You forgot to mention banging country bitches on dinosaur worlds.

>>14165187
Ork really are the best.

>>14160288
I thought solitaires were effectively leader-type shamans of the harlequins. Priests with no souls to keep the others protected.

>>14165375banging country bitches on dinosaur worlds.

...


holy shit, we need OUTCAST: the dickering

>>14165407I thought solitaires were effectively leader-type shamans of the harlequins. Priests with no souls to keep the others protected.

They're more like a pariah and reminder of their great Sin.

Not leaders but feared and respected

>>14165162
This makes a lot of sense. Considering an Eldar takes about as long as a Space Marine to mature there has to be something other than time gumming up the works.

THE TEARS OF ISHA

Artefacts called spirit stones have existed for as long as the Eldar can remember. The story about how they were created is told in the Dance of Asuryan. One night the Goddess Lileath had a dream in which she saw Khaine the War God torn to pieces by a mortal descendant of Kurnous the god of the hunt and Isha the goddess of the harvest. Kurnous and Isha had many children who included immortal gods as well as the very first mortals - the Eldar. When Lileath told Khaine about her dream he resolved to destroy the mortal children of Kurnous and Isha, and pursued them through the Heavenly Realm, trapping and slaying many before Asuryan the Phoenix King heard the weeping of their mother Isha and came to see what was happening. When he discovered what Khaine had done, Asuryan banished the remaining Eldar to the Mortal Lands and forbad all further contact between mortals and gods.

>>14165410
Austerity is how well you remain in control of your wild Eldar emotions.

Every time you fail an Austerity roll you rape/kill a person/person depending on your degrees of failure.

Kurnous and Isha were dismayed at being parted from their offspring and asked their uncle Vaul the Smith god to help to reunite them. Vaul took the tears shed by Isha and turned them into spirit stones. By means of the stones an Eldar could talk to the gods, and in this way the Eldar and gods could communicate even though they could never meet. Although Vaul knew Asuryan had forbidden contact between mortals and gods he gave one of the stones to Isha and the remainder to her mortal children the Eldar.

By means of the stones the Eldar talked to Isha. They learned how to use the stones to draw runes, and were shown how the energy of the stones could be combined with the runes to make skeletal frameworks for all kinds of structures and craft. Unfortunately, Khaine overheard Isha one day as she talked through her stone to the Eldar, and the War God immediately told Asuryan.

>>14165338
> and their idea of Teenage Rebellion is "FUCK YOU DAD I'M JOINING A SPACE PIRATE FLEET"


Well, wouldn't you?
Be honest.

Asuryan was so enraged that his order had been disobeyed that he gave Kurnous and Isha to Khaine to do with as he pleased. Vaul could not bare to see his brother and sister harmed by Khaine so he struck a bargain in return for their safety. Khaine agreed that if Vaul were to make him a thousand enchanted weapons by the same time the following year he would let Kurnous and Isha go free.

Vaul worked hard all year, but at the end of the time the final weapon, a long sword, still lay unfinished on the anvil. To conceal the shortfall Vaul picked up an ordinary sword and mixed it into the others, and gave the weapons to Khaine who was too pleased to spot the deception. Vaul, Kurnous and Isha hurried away. As they made good their escape Khaine discovered the ordinary sword hidden among the weapons and roared with anger, calling Vaul a cheat and crying out for revenge.

>>14165441Every time you fail an Austerity roll you rape/kill a person/person depending on your degrees of failure.

"mutilated dino-cattle again pops"

"hmmm...."

the dragon ranger gives you a long stare

Following this episode the Dream of Asuryan tells how Khaine and Vaul fight each other, and how Vaul reforges the unfinished sword to use against his enemy. After a series of battles Vaul is finally caught by Khaine who cripples him and chains the Smith God to his own anvil. Vaul's Sword then passes into the hands of the mortal hero Eldanesh, who finally confronts Khaine and is torn apart and killed.

Asuryan was so appalled by the murder of Eldanesh that he cursed Khaine and made his hands drip eternally with the blood of Eldanesh so that everyone would remember what he had done. The sword then passed through the hands of Eldanesh's descendants until it was finally lost in the Sea of Broken Tears by Inriam the Young.

>>14165462


>>be teenage eldar
>>parents dont understand
>>jealous of babby

>>Pirate Prince knocks on your window

>>w.w...wat do *_* !!

>>14165471

Sure is weird dysfunctional family soap opera the Eldar Gods had going on.

>>14165499
Seeing as it's GW fluff, it does a suprisingly good job of capturing the essence of ancient mythology.

I'm sitting here stuffing my face full of garlic Bake Rolls and F5ing like a motherfucker with parkinsons.

I never knew the Elfdar had such cool fluff. I still don't fancy them but hey, Vaul's a troll and Khaine's basically Khorne 2.

MOAR

>>14165440
>Kurnous and Isha had many children who included immortal gods as well as the very first mortals - the Eldar.

I thought The Old Ones created all the 40k races...except maybe Tyranids...maybe.

>>14165520
Did you know that Eldar weapons shoot lightning shurikans?

>>14165516

It does actually remind me of Greek Pantheon type antics.

>>14165536
This is the Eldar creation myth. It's likely they don't really understand their own creation, the first Eldar being little more than artificial beings in tanks who were suddenly told WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP NAP TIME IS OVER YOU'VE GOT NECRONS TO KILL

The Gods arose from the Eldar's psychic influence on the Warp, and then changed according to what the Eldar believed their own creation myth should be.

>>14165550
Yes sir I did. I know the basic stuff for each race but not the mythologies n shit Eldar have. This thread enlightened me and I wish to know more.

Yes.. always more..

>>14165550

and if you actually think about what Eldar weapon wounds look like...

Shuriken- slice you apart into a pile of bloody salami

Deathspinner- drapes person, they begin screaming as every tiny movement slices off a chunk of their flesh. The screaming stops when they are a pile of bloody meat

Harlequin's kiss- a monowire is pumped into target's blood, organs are blenderized until the monowire slips out of the body, they pop like a bloody balloon

Bio-explosive- atatatatatatatata, waaaataaaa!!

>>14165585
Any 40k weapon is unpleasant and messy.

>>14165571
What I find interesting is that while the tales are very Greek in the narrative, the overall feel of the myths, with reincarnation and the cyclical nature of the universe, is very Hindu-esque, along with Khiane's overall design. It's really something I'd like to see expanded on, to be honest (like, an illustrated "Collected Visions/Liber Chaotica" type deal).

>>14165700
They need a Sam

The Eldar mind, while similar in general to the human mind, is far more inclined towards extremes. Because of this Eldar are more intelligent but also far more intense than humans. Although an Eldar and a human can both feel grief or joy, the Eldar's experience is likely to be far more extreme.

This natural inclination towards emotional extremes is both a blessing and curse to the Eldar. On the positive side it gives them an unparalleled appreciation of life and an unrivalled ability to express themselves through music and other creative arts. A melody or gesture made with grace and skill can elicit an intensity of pleasure which is unimaginable to a human. On the negative side this potential for joy is paralleled by an equal capacity to feel despair, ambition and even hatred. Confronted by grief or personal loss an Eldar suffers mental torments which far exceed the boundaries of human anguish.

The extreme nature of their temperament makes it very important that the Eldar retain a measure of self-control at all times, for it is dangerously easy for them to become entranced by and ultimately dependent upon the experiences that their culture offers them. At the same time they must learn how to control the darker side of themselves, the side which feels jealousy, rage and hatred, and which is no less a part of their personalities.

>>14165786
I can totally see these guys as Eldar gods

I seem to have stumbled across a goldmine. Artfag's got some 40k influence.

dumpin' some awesome

A god of the Eldar, Isha was associated with healing, fertility and the harvest. She is the mother of the Eldar race and it was she who inspired the creation of Asuryan's barrier between the mortals and their gods, weeping over the destruction that Khaine was causing. It is also said that the spirit stones are made out of her tears. The spirit stones allowed the gods and mortals to communicate with each other. One of these stones was given to Isha and the rest to the Eldar. When Asuryan learned that his order had been violated he gave Isha and her lover, Kurnous, to Khaine to do with as he wished. Khaine tortured the two of them in a burning pit until Vaul, the only Eldar god who was moved to, struck a bargain with the war god to create 100 swords for him in exchange for their release. Vaul failed in his task but tricked Khaine and when Khaine found out it sparked off a war between him and Vaul.1
Millennia later, the Fall of the Eldar took place and all the Eldar gods except Khaine and Cegorach were believed destroyed by Slaanesh. However, there is a single Craftworld which tells the tale of Isha surviving her fate, being claimed by Slaanesh as his. She cried out for help and was heard by Nurgle who entered into a long war with his newest peer. Nurgle emerged victorious and took Isha as his companion. A goddess of rejuvenation and a god of decay seemed an odd pairing, but Nurgle adores her like no other. However, Nurgle shows his adoration as only a Chaos god can, keeping her trapped in a cage in the garden of Nurgle, in the corner of a room where he keeps the cauldron in which he creates all of his plagues.

Lord of Light, motherfuckers

Being a goddess of healing, Isha can cure herself of any of Nurgle's diseases. Nurgle takes advantage of this by force-feeding her his latest creation and sees how long it takes the goddess to overcome its effects. If he is pleased, he releases it upon some unsuspecting world, if not, he starts over, working at his cauldron until he has something new to give to his 'companion'. Whilst he is busy working though, Isha takes advantage of his distraction to instruct mortals on how to rid themselves of Nurgle's poxes

>>14165786
>>14165828
>>14165859
>>14165866
>>14165880
Like I said, Artfag's got some 40k in him

Ynnead represents the last hope of the dwindling Eldar race. They believe that when the Infinity Circuits hold all the spirits of their race, all of the Craftworlds will unite into one Infinity Circuit, and the collective spirits of the Eldar will join to form a new Power in the Warp that will battle and subdue Slaanesh, so that Eldar spirits may once more be able to merge with it and form a single, balanced entity. By doing so, if such a thing is possible, they hope that this will allow the Eldar race to be reborn into a better form. Meanwhile the Craftworlds and the spirit stones must be guarded from harm and continue to survive, so that all Eldar can see and form in their own minds a concept of the Eldar virtues that will enter along with their spirits into the Infinity Circuits.1, 2
Ynnead itself (the God of the Dead) is supposedly a nascent Eldar god growing in the collective Infinity Circuits of every craftworld, from the souls of dead Eldar. It has yet to manifest itself, as it has yet to attain enough power to fulfill its purpose: to destroy Slaanesh and free the Eldar. Its relationship to Kaela Mensha Khaine is unclear.3
As Eldar die and their souls become part of the Infinity Circuits, the god grows in power. A few Eldar Seers believe that once every single Eldar has died, Ynnead will awaken and have the strength to defeat Slaanesh forever

>>14165828
I honestly wish that Grant Morrison's 18 days project hadn't fallen through, given that it would have really made the connection between the Eldar race and the Hindu inspirations obvious (with blessed, though flawed, mortals doing what must be done, rather then what they would like or would be easiest).

TIL that Eldar are Space Indians

Pic related as fall of Eldar

Tale of the Eldar, imperfectly translated by human scholar:

'First, in sunrise lost, an' tears of Isha true-spoke are [untranslatable],
Arose in firmament-arched-of-iron, Ymgir-Star-Hungry (lords Misrule).
We/us pantheon dwell, excel [untranslatable], for them, we stand, an'
wraithsword bear.
In pearls of Vaul is Dragon becalmed.
In chains of Kesnous is [untranslatable] ensnared.
In blood of Lilien is Siren silenced.
An' in laughter, just that, confounded is, this Deathly Kaelis-Ra, and lost
for [untranslatable].
But in victor-clasp pantheon stood, we/us beside, and triumph
[untranslatable] beget.
Yet all are lost, and is on hunger sated.

'Second, in ages unchaste, when distant [untranslatable] gods were,
With triumph of age-lost victory swollen, an' purpose lost to
[untranslatable] cry:
Arose the Thirst.
Arose the spake of we/us.
Arose this echo of [untranslatable] timely excess.
A parting of ways, then. Collapse an' ruin an' blood, and this
[untranslatable] shall the Fall.
(From grace an' youth, we slip)
Some to the green and the soil, long before.
Some to the dark and the [untranslatable], bestride atrocity-veil,
Some to the wraitharks, an' chased an' thrown out 'pon horror-tide.
An' all else are lost beside.'

>>14168720

Human psyker 'reads' Eldar artefacts and give the sense-impression:

Craftworld Eldar:
>'...ancient sadness. Starcity circling the burning nest. The silver horde are re-arisen. Kaelis-Ra awakes afresh... The ancient war resumed, spiderscuttle sorrow, all interlinked. Death in wraithsword, spirits infinity-abound. All is cyclical, all goes round yet remains the same. Always the dirges are echoed, always the boneworks reflections. There is nothing new, just regret and impotence.
>'We are lost in the dark, and there is no morning.'

Dark Eldar
>'Feel hunger for life, locked away in the dark place, hunted and hunting. Quench the thirst of the hungry bitch, feed her. Pain-horror-blood. Cut flesh, part joints, peel skin, rip muscle, taste filth. Kill or be killed. Sanctuary in Comorragh. Sanctuary in murder!
>'Cut the world! Its shrieks divert her eye. Cringe and kill.'

>>14168899
Exodite Eldar
>'Willing exiles... Forwent the horror, purist and apologist and ascetist, veterans of Isha's war, ventured into shadow. Fled before the bow-wave of excess. Long lost, now, long changed. Solitary with tilled soil and lizard life. In quest and quaint we wax, we wane. We alone have changed.
>'We alone shall see out this endless night.'

Harlequins
>'The parade. Oh, silent but laughing, a fluttering thing. See his cloak of stars and night. This trickster, this endless jester. The Bringer of Night, fooled, diverted, mesmerised, overcome. Laugh with the laughing god, outplay the great enemy, the great Ymgir-Star-Hungry.
>'And his ancient horde, his data-trove, guarded by dancing shadows. The Library held in ice. We laugh beyond mirth. The punchline is a blade.'

>>14160142

That could drastically alter the way the groups interact; desperate Eldar reversing the usual raids, to grab DEldar children; do whatever's necessary for them not to need the soul-eating thing, raise them - as warriors, if necessary, if they're still too violent - and count on the fact that the children they produce later in life will be proper Eldar.

>>14169021
Would the DEldar even notice a few kids missing? They don't strike me as the 'protective parent' type...

>>14169078
Yes. As per new DE codex, 99.9% the population is vat grown. Haemonculi grow new Dark Eldar which when they're "birthed" they're fully grown. Dark Eldar children are rare and it's a sign of vast amount of wealth to have an natural born child.
So kidnapping Dark Eldar child is akin to grand theft.

>>14169096
Srsly? That's... weird...

>watch someone like Eldrad arrange it anyway

>>14169096
Do the vat grown come out mentally damaged? Or do the Craft world eldar just no have anything they could trade the dark eldar? Seems you could buy a few vatgrown teens to bolster your dying craftworld.

>>14169124
Yeah, it is part of how the dark eldar can have such high turnover. Important dark eldar can also have their souls grown into a new body if they get themselves killed.

>>14169132
The Eldar would, I'm pretty damn sure, contrive an entire human world falling into DEldar hands for such an exchange, if it got them new lives to increase a viable population.

>>14169132
Basically what the Haemonculi do is they have these vast caverns/halls and they set up crystals on the ceiling. Then they torture slaves, the crystals absorb the suffering and pain as energy. They then grow a complete Dark Eldar, how much time passes who knows. However once fully grown they start to bang on the crystal to be let out..etc. The Haemonculi then break them free, give them some clothing and a weapon then kicks them out in the streets.

From "day 1" they're sadistic monsters as that's how majority are born, out of pain of others. So it's rare to get a Dark Eldar to change his/her ways. Usually only the Harlequins are able to change a Dark Eldar.

You know what, I like Vect. He turned their hedonistic stratified culture into a meritocracy. I can't really see any faults with his reasoning about feeding on other species either. If farming chimpanzees to torture them was the only way humanity could escape damnation, I'd do it.

This is quite the threadnaught. If only I had something to even offer.

>>14169188
Except they fight each other more than they raid.

>>14169197
Constantly driving the race forward as it culls the weak.

>>14169186

>Then they torture slaves, the crystals absorb the suffering and pain as energy. They then grow a complete Dark Eldar, how much time passes who knows.

No, that's how they regenerate a dead Dark Eldar back to life. The speed-growth involves taking a fertilised embryo out of a female Dark Eldar and inserting it into a sort of arcane honeycomb-like structure, which grows it to maturity far faster. The actual method by which this happens isn't mentioned.

Also, in reference to the Dark Eldar character in Path of the Warrior - that novel was released before the new Dark Eldar codex came out, and Gav Thorpe may not have been completely aware of their new fluff. A Dark Eldar may choose to turn away from his cultural upbringing, but he's still going to suffer from the Thirst - he literally will need to inflict pain and suffering to feed upon in order to survive. Because of this I have my doubts as to how long a Dark Eldar raised among Craftworlders could survive.

>>14169222
Unless the Craftworld Eldar can contrive some way to shield one from the gradual leeching away of one's soul; it's possible they've found a way.

>>14169132
Path of the Warrior seems to imply they don't really mind the dark eldar too much. More like the black sheep of the family than hatred.

reading this thread makes me wish GW would sort out their fluff. SOOOO much stuff has been retconned or is completely contradictory.

>>14169197
Also, this isn't quite true. High Commoragh, the area controlled by the Kabals, sees frequent skirmishing on the streets but actual full-scale Kabal on Kabal warfare is rare. Normally most Archons keep their rivalries to the constant, shifting web of lethal Commorite politics. The lower, feral areas of Commoragh are complete anarchy though, so you have a point there, but also keep in mind that realspace raids are not an occasional, or even semi-regular thing. They are constant and ever-present - at any given moment, raiding fleets will be departing and returning to Commoragh constantly, and they're not small things, but large invasion fleets designed to pacify and carry away the populations of whole continents or even planets. The sheer number of slaves needed to feed the population demands nothing less, and thinking of it as a constant war being waged upon realspace isn't far from the truth.

>>14169248
I doubt it. Dark Eldar seem far more willing to experiment with new sciences and technologies than the Craftworlders are, and they've not found anything.

>>14169260
You're right in that regard. Dark Eldar and Craftworld Eldar don't hate one another and demand the extermination of their kin; there's a sort of mutual dislike, they both think poorly of the other's culture, and there's a degree of infighting from extremist factions. But by and large they just leave one another alone; the Dark Eldar will have easier targets than a Craftworld, and the Craftworlders have more important things to do than wage a pointless war against Commoragh.

>>14169278
Different focus in their aims. CWE have a plethora of crystals that protect you from everything from Warp perils to probably the flu. At least it provides an option to explain how PotW DEldar character might have survived.
Necessity is the mother of invention; once they had him they could have looked for the ways to keep him.

>>14169260
That creepy cousin you only talk to at family reunions, the one you keep the family pets away from but otherwise ignore where possible.

>>I doubt it. Dark Eldar seem far more willing to experiment with new sciences and technologies than the Craftworlders are, and they've not found anything.

If this technology or meditation required dulling the senses and emotion peaks I doubt the Dark Eldar would use it.

>>14169300
>they could have looked for the ways to keep him.

Very few people knew of his origins. I don't really think that any of the few seers present who knew that he was a Dark Eldar would have been able to magically come up with a solution to the Thirst in the few hundred years he had been living among the Craftworlders. Especially since it was only one - if they were playing host to an entire community of exiled Commorites then perhaps, but as it is, it doesn't strike me as likely in the slightest. More likely that Gav just didn't have all the knowledge he needed when the book was written, so there's a bit of a contradiction.

Also goddamnit, the most interesting discussions always happen when I need to cut and run for work. Fuck.

>>14169337
Seers. They probably 'coincidentally' had the solution three years before he turned up.

Or something.

Yes, I'm reaching. I am fully aware of that.

Male Howling Banshees for the wtf.

>>14169337
The idea was for the Dark Eldar to eventually become an Exarch, therefore becoming part of the immortal soul of the shrine.

>>14169402
There are no male Howling Banshees.

At least, not to the Howling Banshees, because the guys adopt a female gender identity and consider themselves female for the duration.

Any more on pirates?

>>14169725
FATDAR

>>14169725
Yriel really has come a long way, it seems...

Eldrad doesn't eat meat.

>>14159874
can't remember if there are more of these than this and OP pic

>>14169928
where's that from?

>>14169804
Well-armored actually.

If I remember correctly, there is a mention in the 4th ed codex about Harlequins travelling through the webway in some long forgotten ways that travel through time and that, that is the reason why they appear so suddenly to important events and shit.

Someone is free to correct me if I am mistaken.

The Eldar being a dying race is overplayed imo.

Just given the sheer size of them now (which would dwarf our own overpopulated world), it's ridiculous to think that species is actually lessening in numbers.

I'd find it more interesting if they were portrayed as a race just recovering from the brink of annihilation and are coming back to fuck everyones shit up.

I always figured that the Thirst is not something inherent to Dark Eldar, but caused by the way they live. Craftworlders and Exodites live very regimented lives that focus on denying their souls from Slaanesh, while the Dark Eldar just keep doing what they were doing before the Fall and just feed on other peoples souls to replenish their own. So if a Dark Eldar adopted the lifestyle of a Craftworld Eldar, he could escape the Thirst. Most of them wouldn't want to do that because they consider torturing lesser beings to be better option than denying yourself of your true nature.

>>14170084
Sort of like trying to convince a manic person to take his medicine I suspect.

>>14170084
Apparently not in the new fluff.

>There are many Eldar Corsairs whose names have become infamous throughout the Craftworlds and beyond. Some of these are bloodthirsty individuals who fall prey to the same weaknesses of character that led to the Fall. Galadhar the Grey was one whose bloody deeds will live forever in the memories of the people of Duro. This was the Exodite world that he used for a base and from which he plundered a hundred worlds, murdering on a whim and devastating whole cities without a single qualm. His vicious deeds eventually brought doom to Duro as the Imperium hunted down Galadhar, bringing fire and death to the once peaceful world before Galadhar's ship was eventually destroyed.
>Yet sometimes an Eldar Corsair may display the greatest compassion to their defeated enemies if it pleases them to do so. The so-called Duke of Asteri Reach, Avele Swifteye, commands a Corsair fleet out of Biel-Tan craftworld, and has continued Biel-Tan's pledge to protect the Maiden worlds from settlement by lesser races. On the world of Yrthal, Avele destroyed half a dozen Human settlements before the fledgling Imperial colony surrendered. He took the surviving forty thousand colonists to a nearby habitable moon, keeping them in stasis aboard his ships while they shuttled back and forth in short warp jumps, and promised that no further hostilities would be taken against them if they did not stray back to Yrthal.

Elenwe

>Elenwe, wife of Turgon in the Silmarillion
>died crossing the ice of the Helcaraxe
>now an Eldar Farseer
>whodathunk

>>14170100
It isn't?

That makes sense with the half-born vatgrown stuff, but the actual trueborn Eldar, still have a choice.

>>14170128
Holy shit, I didn't know the concept of surrendering existed out of the Tau.

>>14170768
I don't get it.

>>14170778
Well, beyond the Tau the Eldar are at least a faint possibility, given they really don't want to risk their people dying, so the enemy just leaving would sound pretty good to them.

Rogue Trader expansion had Eldar warning people to GTFO their world; only started fighting when people wouldn't budge.

For 40K, that's astonishingly reasonable.

>>14170778
>>14171132
Tau don't accept surrender mate. They'll worm their filthy blue sausage fingers in your society no matter the cost.

Interestingly, Eldar are more trustworthy than Tau.

>>14171132
The problem with Eldar is that one time they're being nice, and the next time they're hoarding you into the path of a Hivefleet.

Sure, Eldar are really nice guys from a meta-perspective, but from an ingame perspective, the Eldar are slimy bastards, as likely to help you as to gut you.

Add in that most Imperials don't see the difference between Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar...

>>14170778Holy shit, I didn't know the concept of surrendering existed out of the Tau.

they probably had to suck all their dicks first.

"if you wish to live, you must taste the swiftblade"

Wait, so Charlie Sheen is actually a Dark Eldar?

>We worship Khaine, we murder people, it's not that complicated.

>>14170778
Another thing you might not know is that in Path of the Warrior, it’s made explicit that Craftworld Eldar (at least, those of the protagonist’s Craftworld) find fighting and killing humans psychologically distressing in comparison to fighting orks, or tyranids, or other more monstrous races.

In other words, they do have the ability to empathize with humans.

>>14165799
Ouch. As a human being a break-up can make us more deppressed than when a relative dies, imagine if you were Eldar. No wonder these people find having kids difficult. Everyone is probably terrified of relationships. Imagine falling in love, then losing your girl because of war or invasion or something?
Also, it's a bit lolworthy to think that once a male Eldar gets his companion preggers, he has to bone her constantly to assure that the full gene sequence passes on.

>>14171335
Well, they are the closest thing to a kindred species that they have.

Have Eldar ever teamed up with humans or Tau or whatever in order to face a common threat?

Would probably get the imperial commander executed by the Ordo Xenos unless he was some bigwig in a rather illustrious Spess Marine Chapter, but it'd be a cool thing to see.

>>14171335Another thing you might not know is that in Path of the Warrior, it’s made explicit that Craftworld Eldar (at least, those of the protagonist’s Craftworld) find fighting and killing humans psychologically distressing in comparison to fighting orks, or tyranids, or other more monstrous races.

it's distressing because they're compartmentalizing their emotions

>>14171373Well, they are the closest thing to a kindred species that they have.

and after they get over the emo restraints, unrestrained Eldar are orky as hell

>>14171389
>Have Eldar ever teamed up with humans or Tau or whatever in order to face a common threat?

Loads of times. LOADS of times. Usually there's no shaking of hands or even the slightest pleasantries, but it has happened a lot. The Imperium and Eldar are tsundere as fuck for one another.

>>14171397
Both sides are usually able to cease fighting to face a bigger threat. Chaos usually fits this bill. Look at one of the main stories about Tallarn; post-virus bombing they found strange black stone artefacts that promptly shat out Slaaneshi daemons at them. The Eldar rolled up, both sides banded together and they beat the ruinous powers back.

>Another thing you might not know is that in Path of the Warrior, it’s made explicit that Craftworld Eldar (at least, those of the protagonist’s Craftworld) find fighting and killing humans psychologically distressing in comparison to fighting orks, or tyranids, or other more monstrous races.

>>14171424
...and then swore oaths of friendship afterward. What's even funnier is that the eldar in question were biel-tan eldar.

I mean, wow.

>>14171389

This isn't the most canon of canons, but in the DoW 1 campaign, Angelos teamed up with the Eldar Farseer there (Or at least agreed upon a truce), when all the crazy demon shit with Sindri began happening.

I don't think humans for the most part have much trouble teaming up with Eldar because they are the most "human" of the alien races.

>>14171489
I thought they found killing in general traumatic and addictive?

Also, that book was great but it did fail to explain how Guardians can function. Have they all formerly tread the warrior path and are able to wear a war mask or do you end up with crazy PTSD?

>>14171498
Dem Tallarn, man.

In the grim darkness of the far future, the Space Taliban are actually really nice guys.

>>14171489
>that pic.
>mfw
OOOHHH GAWWWWWWDDDD

>>14171530
Just check Lexicanum, the background's changed a bit. It was general Chaos -and- the Iron Warriors involved in that incident. Unless there was a second incursion some time after M30.

>>14171530
Except if you don't fanatically worship the motherfucking Emperor. They tend to become nasty then.

Look at Cain. One irreverent joke, and bam, he's probably a Heretic.

>>14171489
When ever I see that picture I can't help but think that some mean-spirited giggling Eldar posed the dead guardsman and commissar in a gay position.

>>14171564

By the bullet holes in the Guardsman's back, I'd say he jumped in front of the Commissar to shield him.

Still gay, but more heroically gay.

>>14171564
It was the one with the helmet on. He's grinning ear to ear under there.

>>14171548
But now they considerer him some kind of Thorian avatar.

>>14171548
I dare say their depiction in Cain isn't so much based on established fluff and more on the most common modern perception of people from the middle east. That being crazed, fundamentalist zealots.

>>14171541
Lemme guess, it has started flamewars before?

>>14171631
No, just BAAAAWWWW-inducing.

Hey guys are you still telling the younger races that your the most advanced civilization to exist?
Oh and your myth cycles aren't just an excuse for telling your actually past cause you were born as a failing race. That one always gets me.
Well enjoy your warp rape.

>>14171637
You know, that should have been my first thought, but i immediately thought of people on here raging about it.

>>14171657

naw it inspires GUFFAWS and a BARREL OF LAFFS (AND A HALF!) from photoshups

Eldar are space Europeans

>Dying race
>Fallen Empires
>Divided craftworlds loosely affiliated (EU)
>Tall, often blond or red haired

>>14171670
Oh and they are always complaining about how stupid the new world power is (America)

>>14171657
This is /tg/, RAGE is a natural response to most things, so thinking that something causes rage instead of bawws is a normal feeling.

>>14171680
>>14171670

Where'd you get dying race from? There's 500 million Europeans. 670 million if you count russians. Compare this to 300 something million Americans.

Dying race? What?

>>14171680
But they'll jump at asking us for help at a moment's notice.

>>14171693
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#Forecast

>>14171695
>implying European countries aren't constantly being dragged into America's wars and that the last time they asked for your help was 1940

I think it's been a fair few times more that the Americans asked European help.

>>14171701
Precisely. There's 2x as many Europeans, and Americans will only make up the difference by about 100 million. So...

>>14171707
But the Americans didn't need our help, it was just PR.

>>14171715
The population is declining, meanwhile the population of the rest of the world is increasing. The average age is also increasing, and fertility (especially among whites) is decreasing.

That is the very definition of decline. It doesn't matter how great you start off, it's how low you're sinking.

And that's just population, are you seriously suggesting Europeans haven't declined in terms of military and cultural dominance since WW2?

>>14171716
You need to read up on Afghanistan mate. Hardly any American troops there, because they couldn't spare them from Iraq.

Same goes for Bosnia. Possibly Somalia.

we need more of this
>>14161678


and less everything else faggotry in thsi thread

>>14171695

Get your damn politics out of my space elf discussion thread.

The parallels between this nationalist dick waving and the actual 40k universe amuse me somewhat.

Back on topic, when are Eldar due for an update, tabletop wise? They seem to always be the unpopular choice...

>>14171670
>>14171693
>>14171695
>>14171701
>>14171707
>>14171715
>>14171716
>>14171727
STOP THIS SHIT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!!!!!!!

>>14171727
That still doesn't make us a Dying race. And no, Culturally, Europe is still very alive. Just, you know, go there sometime. The differences between France, Sweden, Greece and Portugal are huge. And though Americanization has taken strong roots here, that's mostly among the kids. Films, that sort of thing? Not really. Just the commercial side. And it's just adopted in as far as it's useful.

>>14171736

U mad bro?

>>14171735
I think the problem with the Eldar is that they are, by default, intensely serious. Therefore they're hard to take serious and regularly mocked.

>>14171735

And now it occurs to me that this comment wasn't actually on topic, derp.

What are inter-craftworld politics like? Is there much in the way of communication between them? Do they chill in the webway err'day or sit in realspace sometimes?

>>14171740
>That still doesn't make us a Dying race.
>population in decline
>military in decline
>culture becoming more obscure in the world

Sure thing bro. And I don't have to travel to Europe, I live here.

>>14171755

I see what you're getting at, but I hardly see how a group of stoic space-priest-warrior-men with gravelly voices are any less serious.

I think that the interesting lore and personality of the Eldar doesn't currently translate well to the tabletop game, where they are essentially just pointy hatted pansies with glowy bits on.

>>14171769
The absurd and monstrous deeds often committed by the spess marines helps, as do the vaguely homoerotic undertones, super-sized pauldrons and other ridiculous aspects. Why do you think the Black Templars are so popular? The Eldar, meanwhile, rarely do anything so audacious it causes people to take note and laugh. They're presented as a perfect race who are in decline, all very sombre and wrapped up in their slow demise.

>>14171762
Military isn't really important. Europe's been in peace, for the most part, for over 60 years now.

The population is *slightly* in decline. And that's a good thing. Because all countries do so eventually. It's called civilization and contraception.

Culture in Decline? I don't know where you live, but I've seen and been to most of Europe, and no 2 countries are the same, some being still extremely traditionalist and nationalistic. Mostly Mediterranean and eastern Europe. Even Denmark and Sweden are very different, and they are the closest in my experience.

>"Just as Falcon brought Anaris to Eldanesh, we bring warriors to the front."

how has Europes military declined? it is always advancing and always has been

>>14171762
If you think Western culture is declining and becoming more obscure then.... wow. Are you trolling? Do you have any idea how serious non-Western nations treat the idea of Westernization? ALL OF THEM. They also all define themselves in their relation to the West.

As for declining fertility, that's not a whites-only thing. Ever heard of a country called Japan? Or South Korea? Declining fertility is just what happens when enough of your population get wealthy.... alternatively, that's just what happens when the baby boom generation gets old 50s; naturally there's more babies in a boom than not in a boom.

God damn what's wrong with you I don't even...

>>14171789

What about the part where they will willingly cause the death of an entire world of humans to save a few Eldar lives? Or their apparent inability to effectively communicate with humans, despite so called superior intellect?

That said, I actually prefer 40k fiction when it is being grimderp and serious business to light hearted. This is why I prefer the interplay between Imperial, Chaos, Tyranids and Eldar.

>>14171789They're presented as a perfect race who are in decline, all very sombre and wrapped up in their slow demise.

???

They're fighting destiny with two fisted intensity. Eldar scry the future and actively fight it. They hang around the biggest warzones in the galaxy and are waging an eternal war against Chaos.

>>14171808
Word.

European special forces > American special forces
European weapons and vehicles > American weapons an vehicles

The only thing the Americans have going for them, is a shitload of nukes, a shitload of ships and a shitload of dumb mooks ready to run into the meatgrinder.

Power projection =/= quality military

/k/uropean out~

>>14171812What about the part where they will willingly cause the death of an entire world of humans to save a few Eldar lives?

dude have you seen what the IMPERIUM does with human lives?

>>Or their apparent inability to effectively communicate with humans, despite so called superior intellect?

The weird thing is, Eldar pirates are way better diplomats than Eldar farseers are.

>>14171810
>non-Western nations and Westernization
To give some examples, China passed a law against English writing on Chinese State TV. They're so concerned about their young westernized generation there are serious worries that the Chinese system of writing will be replaced with a more English style. Also Japan and their obsession with throwing in English words into even their rock music.

Seriously, dying out? What is this I don't even.

>>14171818The only thing the Americans have going for them

is that they are referred to by country, while Europeans are homogenized into a lump, even by people trying to support the unique and diverse european heritage.

That America, one country, is credibly compared against an entire continent is a statement in itself

>>14171818
Considering that the best American equipment comes from a British military contractor, I don't think its fair to say European equipment beats American equipment. The two continents cooperate quite well in defence so they overlap quite a lot.

Also, dem Yanks have some nifty kit yo.

>>14171827

it should be a photo of the guardsman and commissar together

it would be funny

Alright alright, lets stop it with this US/EU shit and get back to the topic.

>>14171823
The fact that the US in itself is half the size of a continent does kind of put a dent in that reasoning...

>>14171818
lol

One this is offtopic.

Two you are incorrect.

>>14171819
No shit.

The imperium could give a shit less about it's own populace, so it is no surprise that the eldar don't either.

my favourite

>>14171810
Black European.

Birth rate decline happens across everything. The difference between my generation and the next one is very noticeable.

>>14171840The imperium could give a shit less about it's own populace, so it is no surprise that the eldar don't either.


"All dead!?!?" screamed the Inquisitor, tears of fury welled at the corners of his bloodshot eyes. "Every last man, woman and child is dead!?"

"But I WAS GOING TO EXTERMINUS THAT PLANNNNET!!! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO, CYCLONIC TORPEDO A DEAD WORLD??? Do you KNOW how STUPID I LOOK NOW??? THAT CUNT FROM FORMOSA IS GOING TO TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THIS!! DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD THESE ARE TO GET??? I SO MADD!!!"


>>meanwhile, on Craftworld Ulthwe

"How mad is he, Warlock?"
"Very mad, master Seer."
The bodyguard then turned the globe to the Farseer.
"You can see the hurt on his butt right here"

"goood, all just as planned"

>>14171840
Why don't you try to disprove my argument?

*brushes up his /k/ommando medals*

I'm ready for anything you got.

>>14171828
>Considering that the best American equipment comes from a British military contractor, I don't think its fair to say European equipment beats American equipment. The two continents cooperate quite well in defence so they overlap quite a lot.

I disagree. The American military-industrial complex is a severe obstacle for good quality military equipment.

For example, the Leopard is superior to the Abrams in all fronts. And the US Congress or Senate whatever, still picked the Abrams.
>remember, the Abrams when introduced was very inferior to the Leopard. A lot of years and a lot of tax money, the Abrams was brought to a comparable level to the Leopard.
>The Abrams is now roughly similar to the Leopard, but the Leopard is still cheaper and needs less care, it being a German tank.

>>14171859

god i loooooooooooooled

>>14171656
So, how's it feel to be the bitchslave of a glorified parasite of the stars?

>>14171861Why don't you try to disprove my argument?
Well
>>*brushes up his /k/ommando medals*
That's why

>>I'm ready for anything you got.
Good for you.


>>I disagree. The American military-industrial complex is a severe obstacle for good quality military equipment.
No it's not. It's just an obstacle to getting good stuff for cheap. The actual quality is actually quite good. The difference between this and europe is that europe can good stuff cheaper, that's all.

>>For example, the Leopard is superior to the Abrams in all fronts. And the US Congress or Senate whatever, still picked the Abrams.
Heaven forbid that the american military use american weapons. Oh dear.

>>14171859
Eldrad is a dick and the meme of him being a dick will never die.

Why is Eldrad such a dick? Did his dad beat him too much or something?

>>14171997
Because it's funnier that way.

>>14171997
He is the incarnation of the Eldar god of dickery

>>14172009
You mean...slaneesh?

OH SHI-

>>14171859
Oh man I lol'd pretty hard

>good 40k fluff thread
>someone links Eldar to Europe
>turns into political shitstorm

Goddammit people.

>>14173014
European militaries use European weapons. The American military uses American weapons. This isn't unreasonable. As far as our country rotting is concerned. Europe is affected by a rot too. Namely, both our societies are affected by greedy assholes who want to deregulate everything so they can have as much money as humanly possible.

>>Now let the eldar discussions take place instead.

If you seriously expect me to just let you euros get all high and mighty that your own countries are collapsing slower, then you will be sorely disappointed.

But yes, we should let this thread go back on the rails.

>>14173078
Oh yeah, the Leopard and the Abrams are so similar that calling one or the other superior is not credible.

Not really, look for "the real m1 abrams" series on you tube...

>>14173142Implying youtube isn't the most retarded place on the internet as far as factual information is concerned.

Oh please...

Could you go back to /k/ already?

>>14171489

>The weird thing is, Eldar pirates are way better diplomats than Eldar farseers are.

After a while Eldar Farseers require the permanent help of their Warlocks to keep them focused in a battle situation and prevent them just zoning out into visions of the future on some hostile planet. So, it's not entirely surprising that their manners, like their grasp on the present, are occasionally tenuous.

>>14171859

LOOOL

>>14173459
>DISREGARD MANNERS ACQUIRE FORESIGHT

>>14173405

>For the emperor
>Read this in the Japanese faction's voices from Red Alert
>Fho tha emprah!

Psyker-bond kitties!

>>14173823

>>14173565
There used to be a fluff bible of sorts that information like this on it, but GW's lawyers had it squatted. :/

>>14173920
I like that Eldar have the gyrinx; while on the one hand 'witchery familiars' and psychic bond creatures and stuff, on the other hand, them having actual pets. Because even if you're a mystic space elf you still feed and look after your cat.

>>14173947
Perhaps it is still somewhere on the net?

>>14174074
Going to find it back and upload the shit out of it...
>NOT FOUND

Sorr, not contributing.

Ar do I? I can point out that that opus was full of HERESY!.JPG, as the fluff has evolved quite a lot from that point in time.
There were Star Child/Sensei theories in there treated as canon instead of Tzeentchian cults. For example.
It also talked at some length about the Squa-

>>14173459
I thought those were wraithlords and wraithguard?

>>14176193

Yeah wraithbone constructs are like that too.

>>14176193
Pretty sure Farseers also do get a bit vague on the present.

I do know as they get older they gradually start turning to crystal.

>>14160258
Cypher hangs out with the Fallen Dark Angels, NOT Chaos Space Marines. And as the Dark Angels were a traitor legion whilst the 'fallen' were the original loyalists...

WHAT. I mean, I know that was a theory, but what supports it? Just the fallen being normal marines and not chaos ones? (At least, in the 3rd edition...)

Oh, and bumping

hump de bump

This is the bit of obscure lore that's practically obligatory to bring up; a sample of much older fluff.

>>14179976
Woah, really?

So Eldrad was like, crystalized by the time he was fucked by the Blackstone Fortress?

How much would an Eldar Farseer's body be worth then?

>>14182860
For some reason Eldrad seemed unaffected by it. Likely because he resisted the process, knowing he was still needed.

>>14174545Ar do I? I can point out that that opus was full of HERESY!.JPG, as the fluff has evolved quite a lot from that point in time.
The fluff is inconsistent and absurd at all times. That is one thing that never changes, no matter how much it evolves.

>>There were Star Child/Sensei theories in there treated as canon instead of Tzeentchian cults. For example.

It was never debunked like that. Just some blurb in the 3rd edition codex that said it was "probably" that way.

>>14182989
Personally I find it easier to take the fluff by assuming everybody telling it is lying to some degree. Propaganda, propaganda everywhere.

>>14182946
Eldrad's dickery gives him something to focus on that stops him turning all crystally

>>14183360
that would explain a lot