Do demons an undead count if you only use the general classifications?

That is, you could only use demons or undead made specifically for DnD. So, liches and pit fiends are in, succubi and zombies are out?

>>13718118
lame

Well, most of the sapient humanoids made just for DnD are all-evil races.

Since they're all that's available, you'd have to rework their cultures a bit to make some of them work as player race options.

All other creatures would see the Owlbears running towards them, shit themselves & hop the first lightning rail outta there.

Either that or Mind Flayers do what they do best and become supreme rulers of everything.

It would be cool, but also hard to find non-weaboo PC races.

Although I do like tieflings.

>>13718154
Githzerai and Githyanki would be the most common player races IMO, in terms of setting.

>>13718142

What about skeletons? I mean, they're not really a specific mythical creature...

It would be like this!
...or this...

So, would gnolls pick up the slack for the lack of orcs?

Who would be the main races associating with humans?

Who would fill in for the role of dragons as "standard big ass monster that's hard to kill and has lots of treasure?"

>>13718209
Beholders?

>>13718175
+2 LA for everyone!

>>13718175

Who do you figure? Aren't they primarily extra planar races that rarely have anything to do with humans?

>>13718209
Colossal Ankhegs

What about creatures that borrow names from mythology and folklore, but have nothing in common with the creature whose name they have?

Like the Tarrasque.

>>13718266
Sure... in the default DnD setting...

I misread OP as not including humans though.

>>13718266
Humans weren't created for DnD, so they're out anyways.

>>13718274
>>13718224
>>13718209
>Who would fill in for the role of dragons as "standard big ass monster that's hard to kill and has lots of treasure?"

No. The correct answer is PURPLE WORMS

>>13718279
I think allowing things like Tarresques and Kobolds should be fine.

>>13718288

Humans are like a default, they're in every setting.

>>13718318

Okay, but we have to change their names. Also, with no dragons the Kobolds background might have to be changed a bit.

Actually, I change my mind. Warforged PCs everywhere.

Also, a lot of golems would be out, but Warforged are cool. Niiiiice.

>>13718307
Fuck, DnD has enough giant worm monsters to replace dragons entirely.

>>13718337

Yeah, but Purple Worms are the classic.

>>13718288
In that case Githzerai are one of the most appropriate races for players. A race that commonly adventures, with low-or-no-LA and widespread influence and interests. The only problem would be you'd have to pick either Githzerai or Githyanki and stick with that, if more than one person in the party plays a Gith (and you keep the fractured society). Plus, I'm assuming Mind Flayers would be given greater prominence in the setting (THOON?) so Gith work well as a counter to that.

>>13718288
no, humans should be in, if only to allow players to relate to whats going on.

however on the concept OP has stated, i think it would be great, for a sword and sorcery type setting where monsters were actually monsters.

>>13718330

I thought that only Clay/Stone golems would be out. All the other weird ones would be in, like the Stained Glass Golem.

>>13718328
We could go with the AD&D bipedal ratdogs.

>>13718279
Do Drow qualify? They're pretty massively different from the thing their name comes from, but have a few similarities.

>>13718353

Why would these races take precedence over any of the others?

I'd think Warforged would be the most common non human PC race.

No humans or orcs, but half-orcs are DnD specific.Also niiiiice

>>13718366

I think we have to exclude drow, since they're still basically elves.

Maybe Mind Flayers would replace drow as the go-to evil underground empire race?

>>13718328
You mean back to the little dog-faced, trap obsessed bastards they were in 1e?

Back then they were basically biped Chihuahuas with pick-axes and a really short temper. The dragon stuff was only added in more recently.

>>13718373

No, humans are still in. Orcs are not. Thus, no halforcs.

Also, Tolkien mentioned halforcs in LotR, that's wer DnD got the idea.

>>13718372
>Why would these races take precedence over any of the others?
I didn't say they would? You've just got rid of a bunch of player races, due. I'm saying Gith could make up for some of that loss.

>>13718373
The mind boggles.

>>13718366
Yeah, we can't just throw out everything with an uncreative name; I say drow can stay. Kind of odd having evil elf counterpart wtihout elves, though.

>>13718365
>>13718384

Ratdogs it is. Should we call them that, or give them a different name?

>>13718354
I vote no on this. It takes away the novelty. You don't someone to relate to, it's not like all of us haven't played weirder DnD setting. Hell, I've rolled a campaign setting which had different gravity and the planet rotated with its pole toward the sun so the only habitable area was a belt of twilight along the prime meridian.

>>13718400

Well, they wouldn't be the evil elf counterpart anymore, would they? They'd just be elves.

>>13718400
>Kind of odd having evil elf counterpart wtihout elves, though.

That's why I think they have to go. Mind Flayers can fill in for them.

>>13718404
They're called Kobolds, since that's their name and all.

>>13718419
If you remove a lot of the competing things in the Underdark then logically stuff like Mind Flayers and Aboleths, who are typically kept in check by the machinations of intelligent foes and rival societies capable of matching them in individual powers, should logically rise to greater prominence.

OP here. Sorry, I should have mentioned it in the original post, but humans ARE allowed. I just thought it would be assumed that humans would still be in.

Sorry for any confusion.

>>13718439

Well, Mind Flayers, Beholders, and Aboleths are still all in, so those three should probably bee able to keep each other in check without the drow around.

Okay, so what is this becoming. Are we arbitrarily deciding what stays or goes just because they were a counterpart of something that got booted? Let's establish exactly what we're doing here.

I think it's an interesting exercise of flavor to have NOTHING not DnD specific and EVERYTHING that is DnD specific. That way the paradigms change. You have no elves but you have drow. So what are drow without elves as a foil? What is a humanoid without the human? I can't be the only one that doesn't think this is interesting.

Without the normal BBEG monsters like black dragons, liches (yes, they predate DnD, sadly), and the like, there's still a lot to work with. You just have to find the interesting things like mindflayers.

So, is this a practice of arbitration or should it be a purist approach?

>That is, no dragons, no elves, no dwarves or other monsters/beings borrowed from mythology or other works.

You basically just gutted yourself there, since the overwhelming majority of fantasy is from mythology or other works.

Plus, in my opinion, it sounds different purely for the sake of different. I don't think it would be that good. Plus the lack of anything classic would mean that unless all your players know every non-classic creature and race out there you're going to have to explain everything every five steps.

Like, imagine a forest. Now without using any earth creatures of comparing them to any earth creatures, tell me about the wildlife in this forest. It's kinda like that.

>Fuck OFF CAPTCHA, HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO READ YOU IF YOU'RE HALF WHITED OUT. FUCK

>>13718446
Well, let's look at suitable player races that can have low LA, no LA or have their LA written out:
>Humans
>Warforged
>Gnolls (can drop their RHD if nothing else)
>Gith
What else?

>>13718479
Warforged are just Golems. Jewish mythology with a paint job and a slightly different origin.

They shouldn't be in.

>>13718472
>liches (yes, they predate DnD, sadly)

No, "lych" is just an old word for a corpse, not an undead spellcaster. Liches are a specific creation for DnD.

>>13718479
Yuan-ti tainted ones from Savage Species, they're only a +1 LA and that can be pretty easily paired down

>>13718479

Humans should go. They are in every setting, yes, which is why they aren't necessary. There are other creatures are human-like enough, we don't need humans to counterbalance them.

>>13718485

I think if regular golems are removed, warforged should be in. They're more like sapient robots then anything else.

>>13718495
Koschei the Deathless, I believe. Piece of Russian folklore. He was an immortal spellcaster who hid away his soul in a box and couldn't be killed. May be splitting hairs there, though.

>>13718485
I disagree. I think that Warforged are sufficiently different in background and function from the Jewish golem to be included, given that the latter are holy relics empowered by words to do the bidding of the Jewish faith and the former are, basically, free-willed magic robots.

>>13718495
Liches in DnD are built upon from Empire of the Necromancers, where lich meant dead guy, animated or not animated. They got bumped up into powerful spellcaster to make em different from regular zombies, so you could argue this one either way.

Still think this should be purist. Humans are boring anyways.

What about Kenku?

>>13718508

I think we need humans as a sort of neutral starting race, simple because so many of the remaining humanoids are all evil societies, and will need reworking.

This is just a traditional DnD setting with the mythical/folklore based creatures deleted. We're not trying to go WILDLY different.

>>13718538
kenku are just Japanese tengu, they should be out

>>13718503
What's the fluff on them? If they're like servants of the Yuan-Ti we could have a slave revolt in the background and the establishment of Tainted Ones in a separate breakaway society.

>>13718550

The whole "evil" thing is silly and overstated anyway. This setting is about the stranger creatures in the world, and playing as "normals" takes away from that.

Unfortunately for adventurers everywhere, Mimics are still in.

>>13718579
Having nothing but DnD specific things could make it TOO weird though. If that makes any sense.

>>13718538
Kenku are heavily inspired from Tengu to such a point that it too could go either way. But they are uniquely DnD enough that I say they should be in.

Also, a can of worms to discuss. ELC 5 Thri Keen. Why /tg/ likes them in such a creepy way I do not know, but they seem to be a legit thing.

>>13718562
They're people the Yuan-ti capture (including adventurers) and force to drink a special poison that either kills them or brainwashes them to be totally loyal to the Yuan-ti. They also gain darkvision, natural armor and a poison drool that allows you to lick weapons to poison people.

You could fluff a rebellion if you have the potion wear off after some extended time or maybe there was a bad batch (sabotaged by rival Yuan-ti clans or something)

>>13718579
>This setting is about the stranger creatures in the world

No, it's just normal DnD with some of the races deleted, and Humans weren't in the categories stated in OP.

If you want to do a version of this where there are no humans, find, but for the purposes of this thread, I think it's assumed humans are still in.

>>13718597
Too weird is the point. It's a challenge to DM and PC alike to adjust. I think it'd be fun, but I like settings that are different from just the boring old Forgotten Realms clones you see everywhere.

>>13718614
Oh. Well that sounds boring and stupid.

>>13718620
Why do they have to adjust though?

I know I'm harping on here, but it just seems a bit pointless and for it's own sake. Granted your players will have to think up something different, but I can guarantee that taking out everything like dragons, elves and dwarfs is going to make it a lot harder for them to make up anything satisfactory on the fly.

Okay, sapient humanoids that are IN:

>HUMANS
>Warforged
>Yuan Ti
>Gnolls
>Mind Flayers
>Sahaugin
>Aboleths
>Ratdogs (Kobolds)
>Beholders
>Tarrasque (New Name Pending)
>Githyanki
>Githzerai

Sapient humanoids that are OUT:

>Drow
>Elves
>Dwarves
>Goblinkin
>Giantkin
>Orcs
>Dwarves

I think a lot of people are arguing semantics here. This shouldn't be about being nit-picky over the setting, you can debate that with your group, let's focus on how awesome and original this setting is.

I've already decided that if I get to DM, I would have only weird shit. This thread is great.

>>13718643
Harder isn't the point. The point is to tell a different story. If you've seen one dwarven cleric, you've seen just about all of them. By arbitrarily removing everything overly familiar, you create an alien setting for the players to explore. Plus it's a way to show off how creative and stupid the dev team has been for all those monster manuals.

But hey, I just like new or curious things.

>>13718643

I'd say they need a bit of reworking simply because these races generally don't get the same sort of focus as dwarves or elves or orcs, so their culture and history isn't as detailed.

"All evil" races are generally described that way as a catchall, because it's convenient, and because not that much thought has been put into them. Whenever an "all evil race" gets more attention by the developers and players, like orcs and kobolds have, they tend to end up more complex.

>>13718690
I tend to agree. Although I think this thread has taken a divergent turn. Perhaps we should corral the weirdos together to preen out everything that isn't explicitly DnD lore?

>>13718666
Possible additions:

Tieflings
Aasimar
Gensai
Drider
Formian
Modrons
Scorpionfolk
Mephit

Should all Dragons be removed, or just the normal ones? What about, say, Gem Dragons? Also, Kopru and Avolakia are both good inclusions for evil underwater/Underdark enemies. Really, most Aberrations qualify.

At the very least, we should probably work out what the three core player races (and one general "badguy" race) would be, so we can start figuring out how they'd interact. In regular DnD, it's humans, elves, and dwarves. The accepted antagonist race is the orcs.

If you want, we can do a version where humans are included and one where they aren't. Let's limit it to three basic player races, though, for simplicity's sake.

I say gnolls can take up the mantle of the orcs as "marauding bad guy race" in either setting.

>>13718730
>Modrons
Hell yes.

>>13718692
>If you've seen one dwarven cleric, you've seen just about all of them.
What shite. You need to spend less time on /tg/.

>>13718730

Fomor are actually from Irish mythology. And you can't really have driders without drow.

>>13718758

The various Planetouched races would work, as would Bladelings.

>Humanoid
>Beholder
>Aboleth
>Tarrasque
Wat.

>>13718746

If drow are out as a variant of elves, I think all dragon variants should be out as well.

>>13718666

>Humanoids
>Tarrasque
>Beholders
>Aboleth

No. Beholders are floating gasballs with tentacles, Aboleth are squamous fishthings with tentacles and the Tarrasque is basically a really muscular hedgehog.

Also: Explain Warforged when they were created by humans. They aren't going to look human at all. Alternately they are the last remnant of the Human civilisation that perished.

Humans shouldn't be included - because then why remove any races if you're going to leave the most popular one?

>>13718781

Er, my bad. Got a little carried away there. They're still in, though.

>>13718770
>Fomor
>Formians
Protip: One of these is a hive-minded race of lawful outsider insect ant people, and the other one is from Irish mythology.

>>13718786

You want to do a version with no humans, feel free. For the purposes of this thread, though, we're assuming humans are in.

>>13718770
Formians (the ant people), not Fomorians (the ogre people).

>>13718318
Kobold is just a german goblin. WotC making them lizards doesn't change that.

>>13718796

My mistake, I thought you meant the giant race.

>>13718818

And the original Tarasque had six bear legs,the head of a lion, the tail of a serpent, a spiky turtle shell, and breathed fire.

Yet the DnD Tarasque is definitely a creature unique to the setting. It might need a name change, to firmly distant itself, but I think we can let it go.

Kobolds are a similar case, being VERY different from the kobolds of Germanic folklore. Let's just give them a different name, and make the separation complete.

>>13718818
Neither the ratdog kobold and the lizard kobold share much of anything with the germanic kobold of folklore; if the name is the problem, they can be renamed, but what they are is definitely an invention of DnD.

>>13718730
Drider are out because no Drow (it's stupid to draw a distinction between Drow and other elves, anyway... Elves are out so Drow are out because they ARE elves).

The Planetouched races... there's enough original Good/Evil outsiders for Aasimar and Tiefling, but are Elementals still in? I mean, they've been a mainstay of everything fantasy and large parts of folklore forever. I guess, though, you could refluff them as just being humanoid races native to lesser elemental planes or something...

I couldn't agree more with Modrons, though. Quadrones ahoy!

Humans are not borrowed from fantasy or folklore. They are REAL. If you didn't have humans you should also remove dogs, cows, sheep, chickens etc and that would be dumb.

So humans are IN.

Okay, what races to they most frequently interact with, trade with, and go adventuring with?

>>13718875

You could just re-fluff Drider into being evil spider-people rather than connected to the Drow.

OP's post

hey lets remove all the FANTASY elements from D&D that arn't explicitly from d&d

What most are interpreting this as

hey lets remove ANYTHING from d&d that isnt explicitly From D&D

I know that Centaurs are out, but what about the other 'Tauric races like the Wemic and the... uh... whatever the Goatpeople are, I forget.

>>13718929

OP's word isn't the law.

Humans should be out. Drow should be in, they don't need to be the evil counterpart to a nonexisting race, they can just be an avil race.

Also what about regular, nonmagical animals?

>>13718921

In this setting, sahaugin are the undisputed masters of the sea, a sort of ocean-going Aztec empire.

This is important, because they control many of the key shipping lanes. If a kingdom wants to use sahaugin-held shipping lanes, they have to pay a hefty toll. If they don't, their ship is sunk.

Of note for any kingdom that has slaves? The sahaugin will accept captives as payment, or to make up the difference if you don't have enough for the full toll.

Closer to land the lanes are more domianted by the terrestrial kingdoms, though, so many ships prefer to hug the coast, which is music to the ears of pirates and wreckers.

>>13718962
>Also what about regular, nonmagical animals?

Piss off. You're one of those guys who always tries to argue that the DM is wrong about his own setting, aren't you?

>>13718951
Pans are Greek. They're out.

>>13718962
But aren't Dark Elves from the viking mythology?

>>13718929

That is not how the OP said it, actually. I'm sure that it was what he meant, but he nevertheless did not mention "fantasy elements" at all.

>>13718983

The Svartalfar were in Scandinavian mythology, but they were a lot closer to and frequently conflated with Dwarves.

>>13718997

He did specify the removal of only mythical creatures/beings or creatures/beings lifted from other works.

To assume that means the removal of human beings or even normal animals seems silly.

>>13718962
That makes no sense. Why are humans, which are NOT fantasy or mythological creatures of any sort out, but Drow, which are not only ELVES, but taken straight from norse mythology IN?

Can we stop arguing semantics and produce more fluff like >>13718964 ?

That stuff is way more interesting.

>>13719011

Because Drow are not like or even deriving from the Norse mythology dark elves, while humans are exactly like humans everywhere.

>>13719022

Because this is /tg/. Arguing about semantics is the reason we exist as a board.

That said, the Sahuagin's rule of the seas is contested by the waxing Aboleth Empire, which controls the deepest parts of the ocean. They regularly take Sahuagin slaves, and a steady stream of tribute passes from the world above through Sahuagin hands and into the waiting tentacles of their Aboleth enemies.

>>13719032
>while humans are exactly like humans everywhere.

And? Just because you find humans boring, that has nothing to do with this premise.

>>13719011
The name of the Drow comes from Trow (sometimes Drow), a Scottish isles variant of the more common Scandinavian troll folklore.

>>13719011
>>13719000
Actually, yeah... you're right, I forgot (on the Dark Elf/Dwarf part)

Still though, if elves as a racial whole are out, then ALL the ratty little subraces of them are too, including drow.

>>13719048
We need something to contest the rule of the Sahuagin on the side of us poor mortals, too.

>>13719068

Alright, let me dig out all my monster manuals. There are so many monsters for D&D it's embarrassing. You can play the game for years and never encounter all of them, or even half of them.

>>13719068
Tritons and Locathah might be good counterbalances to the rampaging Sahaugin and Aboleth hordes.

Gnolls are treated as second class citizens in most civilizations, and frequently turn to crime or banditry. They're more common in the less civilized areas, and periodically a gnoll warlord will unite enough of them to go to war, and several short-lived gnoll empires have been created this way. Gnolls are native to a vast grassland area, a cross between the steppes of central Asia and the Serengeti of Africa, and many still live there, some as nomads, some in small pastoral tribal clusters.

>>13719092

Tritons are out, they are based on Triton.

>>13719093
I think we should keep most gnolls are hyperdestructive, to fit them in better an orc expy. They're much better than orcs too: an individual gnoll is far more powerful than an individual orc. However, we might want to differentiate those gnoll tribes player characters will most commonly come from. Or just do it your way, but drop the empire thing.

>>13719068
Locathah? They're a Neutral Fishman race and, as far as I can see, are DnD original. Without the Mer and Tritons taking up space, I can see them easily becoming the Humans of the Sea and actively contesting with the Sahuagin for space and resources.

Several of the dominant human civilizations created the Warforged, who for a long time were viewed as little more than slaves, but increased reliance on their labor allowed them to force the issue of being granted citizenry. They are the most numerous non-human race in many human societies, though still a minority. There are even some kingdoms with warforged nobles.

>>13719125
Sounds good to me. Makes it so it's not quite as difficult to trade by the sea (although you'll either be paying protection money to the Sahuagin or relying on the Locathah for bodyguard duty, so you lose money either way). Maybe there are merchant houses between coastal merchant franchises and their Locathah counterparts in the shallows. They work together for mutual protection of each branch's goods.

The Kaorti should be in, as should Ethergaunts. Maybe the Nerra, too. Ophidians, if we're using Yuan-Ti. But I think the best way to go is with Planetouched. There are an absolute ton of them, even beyond the Tieflings and Aasimar. There are Mechanatrix and Shyfts. There are Shadar-Kai. Skulks could work, too.

>>13719115

The idea was that the destructive, aggressive nature of the gnolls is what tends to rip those short lived empire apart. The only thing that creates/holds them together is a powerful, charismatic warlord gnoll, and once he dies everything tends to fall apart to infighting.

Think the Mongol empires, only with less peace and civility in the conquered regions.

>>13719107
Then the Locathah, then.

>>13718962
Fuck Drow. Dark elves have been around forever, there's clear equivalents in celtic, norse and slavic folklore, you don't even need to remove the spiders. You're just trying to shoehorn an excuse to play evil or rebel sues.

>>13719155
>Kaorti
Nice, we can actually make Kaorti resin a big part of the setting from the beginning.

For the oceanic empires, we could also have the Mind Flayers having a minor underwater presence, from where the vast underground realms connect to the ocean.

We're putting a lot of emphasis on the aquatic races. Who else is up there on land with the humans, gnolls, and warforged?

>>13719190
Aboleths and Mind Flayers are actually quite antagonistic to each other. If we keep the 'Mind Flayers are from the future' thing the Aboleths would be really hesitant to allow them any kind of purchase in their domain.

>>13719171

I'm getting the feeling that this'll be a really Aberration-heavy game, so we might want to tone down the Kaorti a bit and have them just be weird and awful rather than outright genocidal. Like, they'll trade with you, but they won't like it, and they might capture you if you stand around too long. Or they could be just as described, but with larger holdings on the surface that pose a serious threat to anyone going by Kaorti territory.

>>13719203
I don't think there's anything wrong with fleshing out different parts separately. There's a lot more to consider when we get to land, so we can work more easily on the ocean for starters.

>>13719204

That's why their presence is very minor, and really only extends a short way out from the coastal shelf. They'd like a bigger presence out there, but the aboleths aren't letting that shit happen any time soon.

Since there isn't as much competition for them, I can see the Neogi getting to be a more looming threat as well... I love the little guys and want to see them used as more than a one-off bad guy.

Armands can be a surface race, sticking to the deserts. They're basically armadillo people.

>>13719207
Well the original Kaorti were wizards who wandered too far and too long in the Far Realm, weren't they? Maybe however many hundred years ago there was a city ruled over by wizards, but something terrible happened and now it's abandoned by humans, the crumbling spires propped up by the resin of its new inhabitants, the Kaorti. They trade for essentials and sometimes stranger things, and people are willing to make that trade because Kaorti weapons are so valuable, but they also periodically raid for slaves and weird odds and ends that people wouldn't consider valuable. In the cracked domes of the Kaorti city, those wizards still continue their work...

>>13719228

Wow, that is what I call ugly.

Gulgars could take the place of Dwarfs as a civilization, if not a PC race due to their power and level adjustment.

Wait. What about Lizardfolk? They're humanoid, don't have significant level-adjustment, and are, as far as I know, not native to any specific real-world mythology. Lizardfolk are perfect for a PC race, especially because they have multiple sub-types. They'd be strongly against the various Aberrations, and would fight against any they came across.

Of course, if we go that route, we run the risk of ripping off Warhammer Fantasy.

>implying that D&D has anything original.

>>13719228
What are those Jackal desert people D&D has? Are they based off something in mythology?

>>13718365
Ratdogs are too close to the myth ones.

>>13719263

Anubis.

Yuan-ti are the snake people of Howards, Mindflayer and aboleths are ripped of lovecraft mythos.

>>13719284

No, the latter two are obviously inspired by but not directly ripped from Lovecraft. I can't recall encountering any brain-eating squidheads in Lovecraft.

>>13719262
>implying there aren't at least some interesting and original monsters.

>>13719260
>warhammer fantasy

As well as African and central American mythology.

There are quite a few "boogie man" style myths about the lizard who walks like a man.

And in south America there are even legends of whole tribes of people who are "like a serpent with scales and fangs".

>>13719296
>Hey my monsters are different! They aren't like your monster they're smaller and eat their kidneys Totally different!
Yeah, not really.

>>13719207
Alternatively, Kaorti could be the Aberrations that are so awful that the Material Plane Aberrations will help the pathetic humanoids to defeat.

>>13719327
Mind Flayers have no direct counterpart to claim they were ripped off from. They can stay.

Nothing is original, petty much every thing ever thought of has been thought of before. you can take two ideas and combined them but still that is not a new idea.

basically there is no original anything. give up on being unique , there's no point.

>>13719344
no_fun_allowed.jpg

>>13719341
mind flayers are ripped form love craft , maybe not in name , but in spirit , Lovecraft.

Discard them.

>>13719262

D&D itself is original.

GYGAX GYGAX GYGAX

>>13719364

So now we can't have anything inspired by the spirit of something else? We may as well call this whole endeavor an exercise in futility, then, and delete the thread now. The original proposition of the thread is that there be no "monsters/beings borrowed from mythology or other works." Mind Flayers, to the best of my knowledge, fit that.

>>13719365
incorrect, it uses dice , there for unoriginal.
if it was truly original every thing would have be crated from scratch, which is impossible.

therefore this whole thread can go fuck it's self ....

TIKIFORGED, LET'S GO.

>>13719389
An endless sea of faggotry condensed into a singular being.

The anti-thought given flesh and form.

>>13719364
The inspiration from lovecraft is given. Admitted. But point at what individual creature from lovecraft they are taken from. If you cannot, they stay.

>>13719402
Hey, warforged don't need to breath. You could actually have Tikiforged being coastal protectors of some of the human kingdoms.

What about catfolk?

>>13719242
Use Azers instead.

Men of BRONZE AND FLAME born of the forge and masters of its secrets.

>>13718307
PURPLE WORMS = Dune
you fail

>>13719452
Rakastas from India and bakeneko from Japan. Catfolk are older than D&D.

>>13719476
Piss off already. You are literally everything wrong with /tg/. Why do you want to see a setting idea thread die? Why must you shit where you eat?

>>13719465
There are other types of elemental dwarves too, aren't there?

Another vote for NO HUMANS here. There are plenty of near-humans running around.

Similar enough to humans:
Goliath
Dromite
Xeph
Duskling

Almost identical to humans:
Elan
Rilkan
Skarn
Maenad

>>13719476
Sandworms aren't purple, faggot.

>>13719493
The different types of Elemental Dwarves are "elemental" dwarves.

Azers were something different than that before WotC started fuckering with things.

>>13719326

Yes but those are all vague "semi reptilian people" myths. They don't cover a specific mythical lizardman.

I say the Lizardfolk are fair game. Sure, it might be a little similar to Warhammer, but so what? Fuck Warhammer. Warhammer got them from DnD first. Surely we can make them stand out a bit.

So, Gnolls, Lizardfolk, Humans, and Warforged as the primary races on land? Sound good?

>>13719487

Those are specific mythical creatures. Rakshasa are out, general race of human/cat hybrids are not.

>>13719512
>humans

No.

>>13718666

Okay, sapient humanoids that are IN:

>HUMANS
>Yuan Ti
Nāga from Hinuism

>Mind Flayers
Star spawn from Cthulhu mythos

>Sahaugin
The deep ones from Cthulhu mythos

>Aboleths
"Elder Evils", based on the Cthulhu Mythos


>Githyanki
The githyanki were introduced by Charles Stross[1] in his Advanced Dungeons & Dragons campaign. Stross borrowed from a fictional race created by George R. R. Martin in his 1977 science fiction novel Dying of the Light.

>>13719448

Would make sense, somebody's got to keep those goddamn sahaugin in line.

Fuck them and their tolls.

>>13719542

Those are all vaguely similar, but are not direct ripoffs.

Nobody likes you, piss off.

>>13719532
So, anime catgirls and people with cat faces are a go.

>>13719537

Too bad.

>>13719512
Lizardfolk are also pretty generic.

Which seems to be the opposite of the aim here. Lizardmen stay out.

WOW, 100-some posts into this and we are still arguing weather or not humans are involved? I don't think this was OP's intent. Let's try to make this thread interesting, no?

How about, instead of focusing on the grey areas, we post pictures/stories of the DnD monsters and creations that are 100% unique to DnD? Unfortunately I am new to the game, I just have a few pics in my folders. But help me out here; Delvers, those things bipedal stomach-things that spit acid, dark sun shit, ect.

>>13719560

Not unless they are already in DnD, no.

>>13719506
let's paint Cyclops green to make it a original idea, not taken from green mythology.

>>13719568

The aim here has nothing to do with being generic or not, it just has to do if they were fantasy or fictional characters prior to DnD.

I agree Lizardmen as a bit generic. They can stay in, but perhaps not as one of the main player character races.

>>13719572
Well, there is the Tabaxi race that showed up in an old Fiend Folio, but I am pretty sure it was directly stolen from a pulp novel from the 1920's.

>>13719554
With that logic the Halflings are in. Not a direct rip off.

If it's still in with a name change, this would be a PERFECT setting in which to include the kingdom founded on an imprisoned tarrasque.

Could be a human kingdom where they don't have warforged and reject nonhumans, with a huge cultural superiority complex because of their unique resource/identity.

>>13719569
We were getting on fine before some fuck turned up, started trolling everyone, and had the more prominent contributors abandon thread.
>4chan in a nutshell
Still, fuck you /tg/. It didn't used to be like this.

>>13719569

Digester, check.

>>13719619
No, Kender would be in.

Halflings have been the focal point of lawsuits over theft of ideas.

Shit that I can think of that would be cool:
Grimlocks, they are cool. Work as a savage race.
Skulks, sneaky race that act as mercenaries. Not big players, but good in their field,
Wemic, tribal race. Noble savages sort of thing.

>>13719619

No, see, while a deep one is a fish-man who rapes human women, the sahaugin are shark people Aztecs. Just because they're both fish people does not make them the same. Same with yuan ti and Naga. They're both half man and half snake, and that's where the similarities end.

Halflings, on the other hand, are almost identical to Hobbits, aside from a name change.

>>13719644
>nostalgia goggles

/tg/ has always been like this. OC that got done around here was done in despite of the trolls. The only difference is that the users get butthurt by the trolls more often now.

>>13719542
While I disagree with your first four points you raise an interesting one with the Githyanki. I'll concede that the NAME Githyanki comes from the novel(I knew it was taken, but never really looked up where from until you mentioned it), they were only mentioned(never featured) in Dying of the Light and nothing substantial about their culture or race was ever really talked about outside of having psychic powers... though their history as bestial, barely sapient psychic monsters kept in check as slaves of another race, pretty closely mirrors the Gith/Illithid relationship (despite the fact that particular bit was taken from another novel).

The direct, transparent similarities between the two races actually makes me want to discard them in keeping with the theme of the thread....

>>13719652
Grimlocks are Morlock from "Time Machine".

>>13719647

Goddamn those things are fucked up.

Okay, I'm going to get together my party of a warforged rogue, human ranger, human mage, gnoll fighter and lizardman cleric to go raid the purple worm's lair.

Who's with me?

>>13719660
And purple worm is a repainted (to avoid lawsuits) worm from the dune.

>Halflings, on the other hand, are almost identical to Hobbits, aside from a name change.

Hobbits are actually called Halflings in some regions of LotR.

>>13719701

The purple worm is 5 feet wide and tall and 80 feet long. It's MUCH smaller then a sandworm from Dune. It has none of the associated properties of sandworms from Dune, like producing spices or a culture based around it. It has crests on its side and a stinger at one end. It looks like a gigantic purple earthworm with a tooth filled maw, as opposed the the more armor plated, flower-petal mouthed sandworms.

Aside from being big, burrowing, man eating worms, they have no other similarities.

So, on land we have the humans, gnolls, warforged, and yuan ti all jockeying for supremacy.

In the sea, it's the sahaugin, aboleth, and locathah.

Underground, it's the mind flayers, beholders, and the aboleths again.

How do the Yuan Ti figure into all of this? We've barely talked about them.

know the term "every post is a repost of a repost"? that applies to D&D, every single monster is based off of some sort of mythology or already preconseaved idea from literature. there is no "made for D&D" monsters

Oh, hey, do Myconids qualify? What about Kuo-toa?

>>13719764
What about the Tarrasque?

Hadozee is original to DND

>>13719764
Kindly piss off if you can't offer anything probuctive.

How about kuo-toa? Would they be too derivative from Lovecraft's deep ones? If not it could set up an interesting dynamic between marine and subterranean races.

>>13719780

The tarrasque is damned ancient too,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasque

>>13719780
The name comes from a French myth.
The image comes from Godzilla + magic armor - atomic fire breath = Terrasque

>>13719803

DnD tarrasque bears no resemblance to folklore tarrasque, we've been over this. It's fair game so long as we change the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasque

>>13719811
>The image comes from Godzilla + magic armor - atomic fire breath = Terrasque

That's a serious stretch.

>>13719829
I don't get what you're saying, man. That is the most accurate description I've ever heard for the Tarrasque.

Additional shit I thought of that I don't think was done before:
Owlbears. Owlbears are cool and I think D&D had them first.
Grell. Grell are weird looking fuckers, but I think they are original.
Anguillian. Eels rule the sea!
Kercpa. They are sentient squirrel people. Fuck yeeaah!
Those Scorpian men guys. Are they original or based on anything? I dunno.

>>13719671
Shite. You can go look at the archived threads and they aren't this run down. All boards get worse over time.

>>13719705
oh, my bad. halflings are out.

so, we're doing this by the rule "inspired stuff is ok but a direct ctrl+c ctrl+v is not"?

>>13719817
The art bears no resemblance, like a lot of D&D things borrowed. But the concept of a nearly indestructible beast that consumes all is the same. They just gave it different art in 2nd edition. And further changed it in 3rd edition.

OP here.

Too bad to see this is devolving into trolling. I'll give it forty minutes to see if anybody has anything constructive to add, after that I'll be deleting the thread.

>>13719866

Correct.

>Those Scorpian men guys. Are they original or based on anything? I dunno.

Painings in ancient Egypt

>>13719877
People disagreeing is not trolling. There is just such a vast number of D&D things borrowed from old myths and fiction and so little original to it that the constraints of the original post don't leave a lot of options.

So, within the gray areas and overlap you have some arguments.

To answer the question you posed simply, I imagin the world looking like spore, but playing like... well it'd be unique, for sure.

>>13719876
If you look in the right places the art for the Tarrasque isn't even consistent within the same edition. There are at least three different iterations of the Tarraque in AD&D and two in 3rd-ed, and the only similarities are the spiked shell and fuckheug teeth.

when did Cthulu get tentacle face?

Did he always have it in HP Lovecrafts stuff?

>>13719863
Scorpion men were mentioned a few other times, but they already exist in mesopotamian myths. Gilgamesh met some in his quest for immortality.

>>13719954
Yes, his origin story describes him exactly like pic related.

Illithid are still original. Just putting tentacles on something and making it an alien outside of time may be Lovecraft inspired, but as an arcane race from beyond time they are different enough from the singular being Cthulhu to qualify as original. Cthulhu is a unique entity mistaken for a god, Illithids are... something... something... that eat brains.

>>13719877
See, THIS is why we never get shit done anymore.

In the past, in Shit Gets Done threads, when this kind of open-ended bickering and petty trolling got like this, the OP would come in and go "Ok you chucklefucks, listen up" and then proceed to set things straight. He would clarify points he wanted, distance the idea from things that were causing sever friction, and generally help shape and guide what he started to a constructive conclusion.

Compared to just saying "If you guys can't do my work for me without fighting, I'll turn this car around and go home right now!".

Rust monsters? Think those are original. And awesome.
Tsochair, awesome creepy loocking worm dudes.
Kruthiks are cool.
Gelatinous cube.
Umber hulk.

>>13719998

To be fair, he was doing that earlier. Nobody really seemed to notice much.

>>13719954
trust your wikipedia, I've just edited it myself

"When the creature finally appears, the story says that the "thing cannot be described", but it is called "the green, sticky spawn of the stars", with "flabby claws" and an "awful squid-head with writhing feelers". The phrase "a mountain walked or stumbled" gives a sense of the creature's scale.[9]"

>>13720016

Oh man, how did we forget the Umber Hulks?

>>13720016
Aw yeah, i remember the story of the rust monster. Ina bag of plastic toys made in china, labeled "dinosaurs", that were all composite critters. Seeing what he could do with them for his wargames he looked at this shellbacked, big antennaed, fish eyed, beak faced, orange little monstrosity that could be mistaken for adorable or laughable and thought...

...it eats off their armor. Turning it into the biggest FUCK YOU of monsters ever for characters that rely on metal items.

As much as we lover bickering over what is and isn't allowed, can we get some more fluff? I was enjoying that.

>>13719994

I suppose, but then you might as well put in anything in D&D that isn't quite fantasy baseline.

>>13719998
Ok, I will put standards. Anything that really exists is in. Anything that's not a *direct* representation of a mythological figure, race, or monster is in. Anything that's Product identity is in, which includes:
beholder
gauth
carrion crawler
displacer beast
githyanki
githzerai
kuo-toa
mind flayer
slaad
umber hulk
yuan-ti

Sound good?

>>13720081

Sounds good to me. I would also add in anything that isn't a DIRECT ripoff of a non DnD property is in. Thus, no Halflings.

>>13718118
Stuff will be alien but at the same time not.
The familiar stuff will be distorted version of the original and therefore a cheap imitation.

At first the feel of the game will be new.

>>13720081

inb4 someone picks one of those and then it's 5 posts of greetext arguing.

Just delete the thread, OP. I'll start a new one.

Well I guess you can't have any divine classes because D&D didn't invent gods.

>>13720119
trolling hard

>>13720167
trolling not hard enough

>>13720119
Link me to the new thread.

>>13720081

snake people is not that unique sun. yuan-ti shouldn't be there.

>>13720219

sure thing;

>>13720271

Bumping so I have a chance to read.

Gnolls are based on african witch mythology, they're out.