The tabletop game is in general closer to the fluff, however there were elements of the campaign that were even truer to the fluff than TT, so aside from the few things they got wrong, (of which none come to mind right away, which is a great sign), I am pleased with it.

However, DoW1 was just so unlike 40k in both tabletop AND fluff, I tend to think of it as more of a game that roughly tells the prelude story to Dawn of War II, and in its own right, a game that is only BASED on Warhammer 40,000.

it has it's good fluff moments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_vcm7eKIc&t=20
...before the, you know, 15 space marines wiping out a hive fleet

DOW1's art style felt closer to Games Workshop's however, DoW2's art style was more 'grittier'.

>>13552645
You can't argue with better graphics, but one thing that seriously bothered me is, FC and Thad looked like guidos. Others, like Avitus on the other hand... a man so bad ass he needed a new jaw built in? Fuck yeah.

I'm interested in getting DoW2, but my friend was encouraging me to get DoW1 (somehow). NOW, I've heard that both are dreadfully unbalanced, but DoW1 moreso. Is that true?

Also, didn't 2 have some bonus expansion pre-order bullshit or something?

>>13552666
OH yeah, also, in case it wasn't clear, I'm also asking which one I should get.

>>13552666
>Also, didn't 2 have some bonus expansion pre-order bullshit or something?


The expansion came via a 2GB patch, when you buy the expansion cd it installs 1MB and activates the content.

Didn´t like it. Nor DoWII. Just too small scale for my tastes. And the whinny, bitchy squad leaders. I liked the stoic squad members a lot more. They keep their mouth shut and do their job. Like they should.

Would have been better if it were closer to CoH.
Closer to TT... no, not really. Too small scale, too much fucking wargear (honestly, it felt like playing WoW) and too few vehicles. And too retarded opponents.

>>13552671

Depends on your tastes, DOW1 is a conservative RTS whereas DOW2 is a totally different game, more like a tactical RPG like Fallout Tactics.

>>13552666
dow1 stacks everything in favour of new races. Winter Assault (1st exp) was fairly balanced
Dark Crusade(exp2) had nigrons with their immune-to-morale flayers whom you can teleport across the map in a massive assault, which was a gamebreaker. But the single player is fairly fun...
Soulstorm (exp3) had the Sisters, and they could build transports with laud hailers. Think flame throwers that boost YOUR morale. Without using vehicle cap.

DoW2 drastically drops scale of the game, you will never use more than 5 squads at a time. But everything has been polished out. Jetpacks no longer look like they're walking on an invisible ceiling. Heavy weapons offer a tangible threat, with cost. And cover is your life. Think, Company of Heroes in space. Alot of people dislike how Elfdar have 3 turrets, space marines are not invincible assholes and tyranids are closer to Zerg. But it feels solid, to me anyway. I like the first DoW2 expansion, especially single player. You can even play in coop with a friend. And best of all, the biggest flaw, Windows Live goes away in the second DoW2 expansion.

...but yes, they are giving wargear with preorder. I bet it's only single player though.

So disappointing. Good and fun, but so many disappointments. The voice actors not sounding as excited anymore, the addition of Company of Heroes mechanics, Davian Thule and Eliphas having different voices, squad limits that only make sense for Eldar and Marines, but not Tyranids and Orks, 2 Space Marine only campaigns, the mod support, and Cyrus.

>>13552717
forgot to add, if you want a huge epic war, you won't like DoW2. Go get the first Supreme Commander and it's expansion. It's still unmatched in that department.

>>13552718
Oh, and not as light hearted.

>>13552717
It IS only single player. The only way someone couldn't get that is if they didn't read clearly
I'm looking at you, /v/. Shame on you for even accusing Relic of that.

>>13552717
Don´t think you can compare it to CoH. Main difference being that CoH is actually good. And has non retarded AI. And that you have a larger scale. And better Maps. And... Well, just about anything.

DoWII had too much of a WoW feel to me with all the special ability spamming and Gear collecting. I´d have loved it if it was closer to CoH. It isn't though. Stop comparing t.

Can anyone tell me if Elphas/Araghast were aware of the fact that the Blood Ravens Chapter Master was a heretic? Otherwise its a huge coincidence that Black Legion would invade the recruiting world of a corrupted Chapter.

>>13552741
It's never revealed, but implied. Most likely they wanted to conquer it and recruit for the black legion, and Kyras ok's it, since he orders all fleets to FLEE FROM THE BLACK LEGION when facing a full scale demonic incursion, from the demon he himself had bound?

Frankly, BR are beyond retarted to me. You take corruption if you stay for over 20min in a space hulk. Kyras is a librarian that was trapped on Auralia as it was in the warp. And escaped via a space hulk SEVERAL CENTURIES LATER. I wish i were making this up. The man spent the better part of a millenium in the warp, and was promoted to chapter master.

I will say that DOW2 and CR had a better single player campaign than the DOW1 games (except maybe Winter Assault). That being said CR's final mission was absolute garbage.

Chaos lord and heretics are OP

>>13552766
Amen.

I liked DOW2 and CR over DOW1, although CR was ridiculously short and the main game had some pretty ridiculous design with the repeating defence missions at release at least. I'm fairly eagerly awaiting Retribution and how they've managed to implement the campaigns in it considering it's not priced as a full fledged stand alone games usually are.

>>13552787
I do hope you agree that DoWI and WA had better stories though? Because you can´t be completely retarded.

>>13552787
actually, you dont needto do more than 2-3 defence missions and still have perfect playthrough. They toned them down last patch, by a lot

>Closer to TT... no, not really. Too small scale, too much fucking wargear (honestly, it felt like playing WoW) and too few vehicles.
This.
WARGEAR DROPPING FROM TYRANYDS. UBERbosses in the end of the map. Dozens of +2 to something shitty wargear. Shiny armor. Poor fighting animation.

>>13552631

>...before the, you know, 15 space marines wiping out a hive fleet

lolno, it was at the very least 3 companies of blood ravens, yours, the company under Thule and the company Angelos brings at the end, not to mention the entirety of Calderis being SM recruits.

Also an Ork Waaagh, also an Eldar Strike force with Avatar and all, also the entire PDF of Meridian.

>>13552797
>Poor fighting animation.
Stop right there
I was agreeing up until you said that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9bWEz4ME-M
Watch this, ignore the shitty music but watch those kill animations.

>>13552717

>Winter Assault (1st exp) was fairly balanced

ARE YOU ON FUCKING CRACK? Winter Assault was easily the most imbalanced, Guardsmen with Terminator armor and Bayonets that deal more damage than possesed marines!? Winter Assault was by far the most imbalanced expansion of all time for the Dawn of War series, even the Necrons weren't so fucked up.

I'll just leave this here.

>>13552718

>the addition of Company of Heroes mechanics

How is this a bad thing? If anything it should've had MORE CoH mechanics.

>>13552802
That fucking Avatar, man. I regret making FC melee for my Primarch run.

Am I right in thinking that there never was a mod that turned DOW into a straight-up battle? A choose-troops-by-spending-points, position them in deployment area, no base-buildng, no upgrading/replacing, real-time battle?

'Cos, er, I'd like to be able to do that.

>>13552817
GIVE ME THE NAME OF MAGAZINE AND WRITER
NOW

>>13552818
Yes. If it were just CoH with a 40k re-skin, it´d be perfect! Why did you need to fuck up so badly relic? Why?

>>13552802

Actually i think Thule was under command of 2 companies.

>>13552826
>>13552817

It's obviously a joke, get over it.

>>13552818
Hell no. Suppression system along with the removal of requisitioning troops made the game worse

>>13552826
That sounds like GI's Game Infamer (their occasional parody section).

>>13552817
FUCK YOU, I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT FUCKING THING!!

>>13552834
What makes you so sure
I mean have you ever read some gaming magazine articles? If not, good. Keep it that way.

>>13552836

Suppression system is awesome, and iirc it's even in the TT(i don't play it, so i could be wrong) not even sure what you mean by the second thing, please clarify

>>13552836
You have my full agreement and support.

Now go download Firestorm over Kronus and shut up. It´s much, much better.

>>13552844

Because it's OBVIOUSLY a joke, do you people not have common sense or something?

I liked DoW2s campaign, it's MP was shit though. I'm hoping that DoW3 will be a mixture of the two. So it would be like DoW1 but have wargear and exp. Or it could have Campaign like DoW2 and MP like DoW1.

>>13552854

From what we know DoW III is just going to be DoW II online, like CoH online.

At least that's what THQ wants.

>>13552850
Poe´s law. Besides, it´s out of context, and you never know quite how retarded people can be. This goes for both sides.

>>13552850
You clearly overestimate people.

Does anyone think it was fear of competition with Starcraft 2 that led to DOW2 being so different?

>>13552854
Speaking of it's MP, has anyone played Last Stand?

>>13552850
I browse /v/, I'm being skeptical. Especially after I saw that review of Red Orchestra
But its good to know its a joke.

>>13552866

No it was this asshole.

>>13552866
No, I think it was just Soulstorm.

>>13552869

Yes it's awesome, of course after playing it for so long it's becoming repetitive. Supposedly Retribution will have new content, hopefully new waves and a choice of maps.

It will obviously have new heroes too, my bet on that is the Autarch and the Inquisitor.

>>13552811
We have different versions of the game, lol?
When I first played DoW1 it was like "AW SHIT IT'S SO CHOPPY!!1", and no any expression about second one. May be patches did it better?

>>13552866
Long story short...
Of course. They're competing in a similar genre with a similar universe against their own lovechild from hell that is waaaaay more popular than 40k will ever be. They had to attack it from a different angle.

>>13552873

Relic started work on DoW II after Dark Crusade, Relic did not make Soulstorm remember?

>>13552872
And who might he be, aside of "generic neo-Nazi looking white guy"?

>>13552845
You know, when some of your squad members died you could add some more at the cost of resources to bring them back at full strength?

>>13552817
This always fucking ALWAYS makes me rage. Regardless on how I feel about both Franchises.

>>13552869
it's alright. The theory is amicable, but execution leaves some to be desired. The game alleges that any build can be effective, but you better hope you are not meele when the plasmagunners come. It's basically around... 18 tacmarines with plasmaguns that each do about 10dmg/shot. You have no more than 200hp

It boils down to aoe spam and tricking AI. Some waves are just ridiculous, like fighting your own clones. Yeah, I bet that dreadnought drop was pretty cool when you did it, huh?

>>13552881
Of course I know that, doesn't stop it from being an embarrassment to the series, especially its creators.

>>13552885

>Reinforcing in the field
>Impenetrable defenses and unending shoot outs everywhere

>>13552882

Lead Designer of Dark Crusade(he was the reason for the metamap campaign), was the guy overlooking the development of Soulstorm(and he was the reason for air units) and he was the lead designer of Dawn of War 2, everything he did was for the sake of "innovation", he left Relic before work on Chaos Rising was finished and is now working for Blizzard in some job no one cares about.

>>13552885

Uh, not sure about CoH since it's been a long time since i played it but you can do that in DoW II...

>>13552893
So why haven´t we asked /b/ to go troll him then?

>>13552893
>Lead Designer of Dark Crusade
Oh why did he have to leave
Why oh why
Fuck you Blizzard

>>13552898
Yeah, but not everywhere on the map

>>13552892
No intelligent player would let that happen

Warp spiders in DoW2 are 10x more irritating than DoW1.

>>13552866

I doubt it, what do they have to fear? All Dawn of War games have been commercial successes, with each one being more successful than the last, and CoH not only was a commercial success but also got several awards for best RTS, and even though it's balance might suck i'm a firm believer that the gameplay itself and the mechanics are far better than Starcrafts, not that i dislike Starcraft.

Not to mention that by the time DoW II was being worked on Starcraft II had not even been announced, they would've had to make drastic changes and even then Starcraft II came out an entire year after DoW II.

I don't think Starcraft had anything to do with it.

>>13552910
I think that is better. Have you payed FoK? With that mod you can only reinforce ear Listening posts or Transports. Makes more sense, really.

>>13552907

Dark Crusade was not good, it had a horrible campaign and 2 terrible imbalanced races, the only reason for liking it is the fluff of the game, stop acting like it was the crown jewel of the series.

Besides, all he did was ensure the addition of the metamap and that was definitively the worse thing of Dark Crusade.

>>13552910

How is that a bad thing? Even FoK which pretty much everyone on /tg/ likes does it like that.

>>13552917
I did play FoK and enjoyed it, but I found it annoying. But it was a mod, so why should I complain?
Not so for Dawn of War 2

Does anyone notice that DoW1, Winter Assault, DoW2 all had pretty easy last missions? Only CR broke the trend (unless you played on sgt or lower).

>>13552912

You should've seen them on the beta.

DOW1 is larger scale and the campaign is fun (up until Soul Storm but that is a whole other tale) and I didn't play online much.
DoW2 is small scale, better graphics, and I like the gameplay a bit more. Campaign is pretty fun and I like the wargear and leveling up (ducks chairs). The missions get a bit repetative in the first game while the second goes by to quickly and has a final level that is forgettable. Despite that I like both games and eagerly await Retribution.

Fluff is tolerable, the 15 marines v Hive fleet definitely throws me every time.

P.S. Battle of Angle Forge is the best level ever....

>>13552928

Yeah, DoW2's last real mission was easy, the bonus fights against the Avatar and Warboss? Not so much, the Warboss especially was a god damn nightmare.

>hit him with Orbital Bombardment
>it takes less than a third of his health

FFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>13552928
I played it on Sgt, but it was still frustrating.
You don't know how bad it was playing it with my shitty comp, going 15 fps while Eliphas was the most annoying bullet sponge in the series

>>13552932

>Fluff is tolerable, the 15 marines v Hive fleet definitely throws me every time.

Why do people keep ignoring that it was like 3 companies of space marines+Ork Waaagh+Eldar Warhost+Meridian's PDF and militias

In fact, wasn't there an actual IG regiment?

>>13552936
I don't quite remember the Warboss (I really should finish my current run though), but the damn Avatar had, I think, six million regenerating health and the ability to one-shot you, a couple instances of which were rediculous. I had most of my guys standing by the shrine, and if they were standing by the side closer to the arena, the fucker would still kill them.

>>13552939
Oh god, I remember the IG guys on the last mission
The IG Sgt had one of the worst voices I'll probably ever hear in a Relic game

>>13552939
Because the PDF just defended the cities, the Eldar and Orks were busier hindering you then fighting the Tyranids, and the 285 other Marines only arrived by the end. So the majority of the campaign was fought by 15 marines. That´s why.

The avatar is easier than the warboss. Just approach via the shrine, spec everyone for ranged and keep shooting him, if he comes at you run away, he won't follow past the first flight of stairs.

Sorry for this I still don't know how to quote

Yes there are indeed other forces and the IG regiment is the 101st (might be making up the number) Vendoland that join the fight at multiple times (Angel forge is the first time) I know there are other forces but I must be stuck on the marines. Thanks for calling me out :D

>>13552951
I know that, I sniped his ass with Avitus. But that bit about my guys hanging on the shrine being shot to death was bullshit.

>>13552936
Even those have been toned down a lot in the patches. Good thing too, at times it felt like playing World of Warcraft when the boss fights started taking half an hour just because the damn things had more health than a full armor division.

>>13552949

Maybe you should reply the campaign, 2 companies were there from the start, the one under Davian Thule and your's. And just because you were also fighting orks and eldar doesn't mean they were not fighting tyranids.

And it's not a hivefleet, it was a splinterfleet. And splinterfleets have been defeated by less, see Maugan Ra soloing a splinterfleet of Leviathan.

>>13552965
Not saying I doubt you, but care to back that up?

>>13552965
There was one under strength one you mean.You are a FC you don´t get to command companies. That is only for a captain to do. You just commanded most of the fighting forces under Thule.

>>13552960

Thank fucking God, that Warboss was nightmare fuel.

Honestly, boss battles in a RTS are the WORST idea Relic has ever had.

>>13552967

Maugan Ra thing? It's on the Tyranid 5th ed codex on a 2 page map with descriptions of battles against Leviathan.

The DoW 2 company things? of course not i'd have to go play the campaign and take screenshots, either way Thule was definitively under the command of a full company, and in the end Angelos comes with another, so at the very least that's 2. Far more than 15 marines.

Just because you don't see the entire battle doesn't mean it isn't there, for example in the mission where you have to defend the gates of calderins from Mek Badzappa there's a Predator tank there with a lot of scouts and marines, yet you never see other Predator tanks.

>>13552936

Did anyone do the Chaos Rising mission with the Avatar near the start?

Seriously... that was the only mission I lost since they kill my whole squad within 20 seconds

Did anyone sense sexual tension between Derosa and the FC? In CR she talked about how she 'needed you' and then lavishes praise on your gang during the defense mission.

>>13552893
>>13552872
You make it sound like he was bad at his job

>>13552979

I did it, just do it like the vanilla mission. Don't engage him in melee and just shoot and run, let FC tank the adds.

>>13552978
Thule was there to gather recruits to replace his casualties on Kronus. So a full company? Yeah... no. And you are part of his company, as you are an FC and there are no other companies around, so you must´ve been. You are effectively leading all the combat ready marines in the system. Of which there are about 15.

>>13552989

You're saying he wasn't? Because turning DoW II into this abomination for the sake of innovation, adding air units to Soulstorm that NO ONE wanted and adding the metamap to DC and then keeping it in soulstorm sure sound like bad things to me.

>>13552979
Easy as pie. Just use orbitals, grenades, artillery etc. for the lulz. IIRC the commander deals pretty decent damage with a good missile launcher.

Dawn of War 2 has one of the best single player campaigns in an RTS hands down period this is undisputed, CR is just even more awesome when it comes to single player.

Okay here is the deal with multiplayer, Company of Heroes is the true sequel to the first Dawn of War games, if you like base building, large battles and such, go with Company of Heroes (also note, CoH is in no way fun or balanced in multiplayer and you will be rushed in the first minute).

Dawn of War 2 tried to more emulate the table top and it is based around mass, micro management of usually 3 or 4 squads trying to hold usually 2 or 3 objective points, it is actually really great if you enjoy micromanagement and prefer aggressiveness ahead of turtling and base building.

They are two very different style of games:

Dawn of War, Starcraft 2, CoH - Macromanagement, mass building and constant rushing and pushing out units.

Dawn of War 2, Warcraft 3 - Micromanagement, based around total control of a very small number of highly customizable units and using their abilities to the fullest.

>>13553000
The metamap was fun to play, and added tons of replayability thanks to all the races
And air units were one of the only positive things about Soulstorm

Did anyone find it odd that Thaddeus and Aviitus haven't been mindwiped (well they seem to remember some parts of their previous lives)? Could this be in line with Blood Raven's 'knowledge is power' creed?

>>13553012

... John?

>>13553012
The races would have been there, metamap or no metamap. You´d just play a more linear campaign. And the fliers? Pff, they interact like shit with the environment. The only cool ones were the Valkyrie drops. And those were in since WA.

>>13553016

Uh... Who said Space marines are mind wiped? Angelos also remembers his life before Space marinehood, according to the Black Templar comic they also do.

>>13552945
Worst voice in DOW is surely the Dark Crusade narrator. He's presumably supposed to be funny, but when a special mission is loading and he's speaking over the top of it it just made me want to pull my ears off.

The main reason why you should pre-order Retribution

Pic related

>>13553012

Go back to bed Ebbert.

>>13553027

YOU DON'T LIKE THE DARK CRUSADE NARRATOR!?

>>13553027
>DoW:DC narrator's hamminess worse than Indrick Boreale.
Sir, I must disagree with you.

>>13553009

>Dawn of War 2 has one of the best single player campaigns in an RTS hands down period this is undisputed

Fuck you. The DoW II campaign is horrible.

>CR is just even more awesome when it comes to single player.

Yes, CR campaign is awesome.

>>13553035
>implying Boreale was bad
He looped right around to being hilariously awesome.

>>13553035
What the hell are you doing on /tg/ Creed, you should be taking back Cadia.

>Fuck you. The DoW II campaign is horrible.

And yet it is one of the very very few RTS games that makes the story continue on even though you failed a mission.

I didn't like grinding defense missions for wargear in DoW2, but then again since I couldn't grind for wargear in CR (and was going for full purity) I had to do the final mission undergeared.

Hopefully Retribution fixes this.

>>13553045

What are YOU doing on /tg/? You don't even exist anymore.

>>13553031
>>13553035
OK, I admit, I haven't played DOW2. But the ham... oh, the ham... It's like he'd HEARD of scenery-chewing ridiculous over-the-topness, but didn't realised that it requires its own kind of acting. Or he was massively taking the piss when he recorded it and did it so well that no-one noticed.

>>13553045

What the hell are you doing on /tg/ Ollanius, you should be retconned out of existence.

>>13553027
You're kidding right
His was fun to listen to

>>13553056
Yes, and so what? That just means I need to retry the mission myself without the game telling me to do so.

>>13553061

Or maybe the masterful act of narrating is just so superior that you cannot even begin to comprehend it.

>>13553060
I'm a ghost.

>>13553073

DUDE SO AM I

>>13553061
In fact, I'm going for the second. It was late, his buddies were round, the beer was flowing, dares were being thrown down, and he had this ridiculous script. So he sits at the microphone and does the whole thing. To his horror, it's somehow sent off. And the bosses love it.

>>13553043
Ah, but how can Boreale top the narrators Ork campaign quotes? "Orgy of decapitation" in his voice, along with the "Waaagh"s he flung are glorious.
>>13553045
Cadia is fine, half the chaos forces planetside are alpha legion. Lets not make this a circlejerk thread shall we?

>>13553029
>>13553017
Very funny, but I still stuck by it. Dark Crusade was the peak of the Dawn of War series, and not even air units could save Soulstorm.

>>13553077
Nigger what? That's the damn Nightbringer, now go back to climbing up the ranks of the Imperium for whatever the fuck you're plotting. Actually, does that mean we're going to have some IG-Necron alliance?

>>13553028
Diomedes and Boreale. One is a hard boiled veteran who demands naught but FACTS! The other was an up and coming star with a speech impediment now seeking redemption for his past failures. Brothers in baldness.

Together, they fight crime.

>>13553089
Well considering their already buddies with the Blood Angels... who knows.

Or you know, let it become a circlejerk thread, that works too.
>>13553089
Shhhhhhh don't tell anyone.

>>13553086

>Dark Crusade was the peak of the Dawn of War series

Yeah, because the modding community not because of Relic, Dark Crusade was just imbalanced and added a subpar campaign that was just skirmish maps tied together.

>>13553089

>Nigger what? That's the damn Nightbringer

As far as you know.

>>13553064
Nah man, i'm mentioned in the Blood of Martyrs.

>>13553092

>Diomedes and Boreale.

That's supposed to be the ancient, not Diomedes.

>>13553103
I only agree with half of what you said. The modding indeed did make it better

>>13553103
Eh, Necrons were a pain in the ass but any decent IG commander could dance them away for a good while. speaking of, have a bit of a story of a little sanctioned psyker I'd like to tell here in a bit.

>>13552945
>he dislikes Sgt. Merrick
Hate is not a good enough word to express my feelings

>>13553112
... Diomedes is the new FC for Retribution.

>>13553125
You know he's with the IG in Retribution right?

>>13553039

Yeah, the DoW II campaign was pretty repetitive and uninspiring.

I like the CR campaign better but it is damn short, in fact it is so short that with bad luck on drops you will never get any nice stuff for some of your squads.

Avitus, Thaddeus and Thule suffered in particular in one of my playthroughs, a level 22 plasma cannon, a level 22 multimelta and for Thaddeus a level 24 powersword that was pretty lackluster.

>>13553127

Ok, i guess you don't know the Ancient=Boreale joke.

Ok see, the Ancient is a Space Marine hero with a helmet who doesn't talk because he's atoning for his past sins and who's abilities vary widely.

Now some anon once posted that in the end of Retribution, Martelus, Diomedes and Cyrus would be down and fucked by the GuO, but then the brave ancient would step forward and say.

BATTLE BROTHERS, TODAH I BREAK MY VOW OF SILENCE! THE ENEMY IS AT OUR DOAH! IF WE DIE WE DIE HEROE'S DEATHS WE DIE WITH HONOR! BUT WE WONT DIE! NO, IT IS THE ENEMY WHO WILL DIE! CHARGE WIT HTHE EMPRA'S FURY

And that's how Boreale won the Aurealian crusade.

>>13553136
He is? I can only hope they changed his drunk English voice actor

>>13553145
I hope we can ask Relic about this

>>13553136
Yeah I know, and I'm excited as fuck. I hope they don't change anything about him.

Also, Kain the chaos space marine.

And you thought the Greater Daemon of Tzeentch infiltrating a craftworld was bad? Just watch as the roles are reversed with Khaines poor alter ego name choice

>>13553142

u jelly?

>>13553150

He's the 4th hero in the campaign, see pic.

How he survived 10 years of Tyranids, Chaos, Orks and Eldar we'll never know.

>>13553145
Uhuh. And Diomedes is the FC in Retribution, hence why he'd be fighting alongside the Ancient/Boreale in Retribution. Hence why they're "fighting crime" together.

>>13553164

>Custodes Armor

HOW?.jpg.tiff.png.tga

Fucking Blood Ravens, STOP STEALING SHIT, how the fuck do you even steal Custodes armor?

>>13553145

no? now?

yeah u jelly

Why do all the Dawn of War threads start late at night?
Fucking /tg/ and /v/, I need sleep damnit

>>13553193

Because it's when the kids go to bed. You need sleep? Being tired is an illusion of the mind.

>>13553159
While we're at it, might as well ask them when they're planning on revealing that they're working on Homeworld 3.

Becuase they are working on it.

They have to be ;__;

>>13553186
It was from the body of a dead Custodes
*PLOT TWEEST*
that the Black Legion gave to them.

>>13553193
You mean early afternoon, right? When all the Europeans get back from work or are so bored at work they go on /tg/? Because the Americans just wanna talk warmahordes.

>>13553202
Well I'm in Asia, where time zones hate me the most

>>13553202
>>13553210

Well don't look at me, i'm in fucking mexico.

>>13553188

Well... Yes a bit, i did get some nice armor on Thule, but one of my runs was an absolute disaster when it came to getting good weapons.

I like the first DoW. While DoW2 had better graphics and pretty much everything, DoW 1 had more memorable characters and scenes. And somehow, it was more "/tg/".

>>13553186
Deal with it. Blood Ravens are space gypsies.

the BTs own Chapter Masters hammer. Now in the hands of vanilla ice

>>13553164
>>13553188
>i can enter dev mode and cheat to get all the weapons SOMEONE LOVE ME

>>13553248
We arn't mad about that, we're mad about the fact that HE HAS CUSTODES ARMOUR.

FROM A CUSTODES.

And, is that a BLACK TEMPLAR SACRED ARTIFACT?

And, is that a ULTRAMARINES SACRED WEAPON?

Blood Ravens, no swiping!

>>13553236

So they steal and scam, and dump their garbage everywhere?

Hmm... That might actually be correct.

>>13553257

It's ok, all those chapters gift chapter relics to the Blood Ravens because they... Uh... Wear red.

Even Abaddon gifted them his own two arms.

>>13553257
They also managed to swipe one of the heroes from Space Hulk's thunder hammer and shield. I'm wondering when all the other chapters are just going to turn around and go "Give us our shit back. Now."

>>13553258
And they're always on the move and don't know who their father is.

>>13553270
And practically nobody likes them.

>>13553248

looks like someones upset, I was pointing out that the wargear, like many others have said already, isnt actually their own but stolen, salvaged or given to them by other chapters.

You need to vent some steam bro

>>13552817
WHAT THE FUUUUUU
ARRRGH

>>13553165
words cannot... control... my erection...

>>13553282
Within a very liberal interpretation of "given" and "salvaged"

>>13553278
>nobody likes the Blood Ravens
>even though because of the DoW games they might get their own codex
>even though they've brought more people into the 40k fiction than anything GW has ever done

>>13553270
Ahriman knows. I guess that's what they get for being so rude.

>>13552516
>tabletop experience

Fuck the tabletop experience. It's crummy and drags everything else down with it.

>>13553314
Actually, this. I wasn't very big on 40k until I played Dawn of War.

>>13553292
Son, that was a joke.

>>13553266

"What ? This? No. No. No. I was just holding it for a friend of mine, he asked me to look after it...... Did i say friend? I meant a total stranger just left it here, told me that it was valuable. Can i describe him? Nooooo... Kind of average looking, really forgettable, look i got stuff to do so i have to go now, bye!"

And then there is only the pitter patter of powerarmored feet beating down the street.

>>13553165
i think thats a woman, dude

>>13553314

Company Captain: May take wargear from any other book at the cost of 15. May upgrade wargear from any other Space Marine codex at the cost of 30.

>>13553278
And they are led by a wizard.

>>13553328

>>13553314
I mean ingame. They apparently get in a bit of shit for naming relics after famous people from other chapters, there's suspicion about them being HERETIKS etc. Most reactions are "What fucking twats", "Knock it off, or you'll piss us off" or "Meh we don't particularly care"

>>13553348
Iron Hands are bitchy because they fought some awesome fight with them and named a hammer after their Primarch. Dorn's Retribution, I think.

>>13553314
Nobody likes the Blood Ravens *in universe* They pissed of the Inquisition and Guard something fierce (Kronus) and I can´t imagine Chaos, Orks or Eldar liking them particularly much either.

>>13553328
He means the icon for Sgt Merrick on the right. He's the same guy that was in the main campaign of DoW 2.

>>13553348

>DC
>Grey Knights are sent to supervise them
>Crusade ends
>One of the Grey Knights realizes his nemesis weapon is gone
>hey what the fuck, where's my spear?
>meanwhile in the litany of fury
>REVERE THIS SPEAR FOR IT WAS GIFTED TO US BY THE GREY KNIGHTS 5000 YEARS AGO AND IT'S MERE SIGHT BLINDS DEMONS
>all marines go ooooooooh aaaaaaaah

>>13553360

>They pissed of the Inquisition and Guard something fierce (Kronus) and I can´t imagine Chaos, Orks or Eldar liking them particularly much either.

Uhm what? Biel Tan Eldar like the Blood Ravens, and the Inquisition was there to support and supervise the Blood Ravens, they didn't get pissed when they killed the Guard because they had a fucking titan cannon possessed by a demon in the middle of their base. Not to mention the Grey Knights themselves were aiding the Blood Ravens in all this fights.

>>13553366
I imagine a few Psycannons, Holy flamers and a few crates of Psychically enhanced bolt rounds went missing to.

Fuck, now I know where they got that Venerable Dreadnought from.

>>13553382
Us? Thieves? No. Huh, maybe underhanded tactics is just encoded into Magnus' gene-seed.

>>13553324
Same here. Bloodravenfag reporting.

Cyrus is the Imperium's best pickpocket, they say he stole a piece of cloth from Tzeentch's robe and a piece of necrodermis from the Deceiver itself.

Now you know what those fancy scout capes in DoW II are made of.

>>13553380
Which is of course why they are Excomunicate Traitoris now isn't it? Oh and nobody aside of Chaos knew the cannon was possessed. Just rumors.

And the Inquisition in retribution are there to play Golf, is it? Or maybe they´re there to investigate all these complaints of theft by all the other chapters...

>>13553395

It is not theft, the very idea is insulting, it is just that the Blood Ravens are so amazing at finding stuff that sometimes they find things before the owner notices that it is gone.

>>13553402

The Inquisitor is there to investigate who the fuck declared exterminatus on Aurelia.

>>13553402

>Which is of course why they are Excomunicate Traitoris now isn't it?

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with Gabriel Angelos leading those loyal to him against Kyras, Diomedes is not declared a traitor for example.

>>13553408
Depressingly enough, I was just reminded of the Kender.
FUCKING KENDER.

>>13553408
"Oh hey, I found this ancient plasma cannon, just lying around."
"Where´d you find it?"
"Oh you know, aboard a ship."
"What ship?"
"Uhm... the Phalanx. I found it in the armory though, completely abandoned. I thought it might like some company, so I took it with me."
"When was this?"
"Er... yesterday..."

>>13553419

Heh, that is true, i actually did not think of Kender when i wrote that, but it is the quintessential Kender reasoning.

So Tasslehoff Burrfoot is the Blood Ravens Primarch?

>>13553447
Yes. If he were demon possessed and an 8 feet tall murder machine.

>>13553408

Shit you're right, looking at the wargear list, like half that stuff is from other chapters.

>>13553466

Sounds reasonable, always knew there was something wrong by those annoying kleptomaniac pests.

One of the wargear is Ragnar's axe or someshit.

>>13553447
>Primarch
>tall as average spehss murhreen

No more GFWL, day one purchase

>>13553485
I think Ragnar threw that axe out after having been given it because it was to fancy.

So not only do Blood Ravens steal, they also go through other chapters´s trash. Fitting.

>>13553482

At this rate we'll find out in Retribution that they have the REAL Golden Throne hidden somewhere on the Litany of Fury. Thats why Tech Priests discovered flaws in it in the 5th ed rulebook, it was a cheap copy the Blood Ravens built to hide their theft while they got away.

>>13553485

Nah, not really his. They just made a weapon which they named after him and tried to give him it [spreading corruption in other Legions?] but he laughed them off.

anyone else play company of heroes then find they couldnt go back to dawn of war :(

>>13553527

Why? Is it a good rip-off 40k game? If not, not interested.

>>13553515
And the Bluhd Rehvans were the Custodes? Or did they take the Empruh into the Eye of Terrah? Why steal the fucking chair in the first place?

>>13553515

"So what do we do with that thing? I mean the Throne itself looks real pimp, but honestly we cant keep that around, looks like beef jerky that went bad millennia ago."
"Eh, I guess we can dump it on some backwater world."

Suddenly the real cause of the chapters corruption is revealed.

ITT: Blood Magpies

>>13553530
its a WW2 stratergy by relic and they based dawn of war on it. but CoH has more tactical depth better AI and isnt the cluster fuck that DoW 1 and 2 are

>>13553553

That is their less well known Successor Chapter, paradoxically they are also more honest about their proclivities.

>Haha yes the Blood Ravens are a bunch of no good hacks who steal shit

And then you realize they have the holiest and most powerful weapons of the imperium stashed in a locker.

>>13553568
but can you jump on a giant bug's head and squash it with your power hammer

>>13553575
haha no but blowing enemy tanks and vehicles up is deeply satisfying.

>>13553246
>>13553188
>>13553164

Know I know why theyre called Blood Ravens.

They steal anything shiny.

>>13553573
And some people (Hint: Inquisition) Aren´t too happy about that. Nor are all the chapters who they "Borrowed" stuff from.

I expect that´s the plot of Retribution. Filling out the paperwork on all the artifacts and sending them back to their respective owners.

Oh and punishing the heretics, that too. But mostly paperwork.

The thing about CoH is that relic have COMPLETELY STOPPED SUPPORTING IT.

And don't quite company of heroes online to me. That microtransaction shit will never work.

One of the biggest bugs in CoH at the moment is hellcats. You can stealth them and they never get revealed. Ever. Their stealth is at 100%.

So guess what you can do? drive hellcats into the enemy base then stealth them. They will never be revealed or destroyed.

It will take relic 3 seconds to fix this bug, but instead they're busy making +2 riflemen of spam.

Retribution will be fucking amazing..no GFWL..god..it's like the emperor just touched my dick and I loved it.

>>13553608
I think it's more liable they'll be labeled traitors then be forced to fill out paperwork. A goodly amount of the Inquisition, and even other chapters, suspect them heavily of heresy, and would prefer they are purged entirely.

>>13553615
And the fact that they are hoarding the holy relics of over a hundred chapters and the Adeptus custodes doesn´t really help their case.

Of course Relic will never acknowledge this.

>>13553615
the joke
---------------------------->

(your head)

>>13553634
Half their shit is stolen from other chapters, the other half is daemons. It's a wonder no one has tried to exterminate them yet.

>>13553608

Clearly Blood Ravens are calling in favors from Inquisitor Toth to help deflect all these accusations.

>>13553659
What would the Blood Ravens be left with if they gave back all the shit they stole and got rid of the demonic possessed shit?

Bolters and scout armor. Nice bolters and scout armor, but still bolters and scout armor.

ANyone remember the mission to kill martellus (if he was your traitor)? DAT DPS from his Chaos Predator is insane. Thank God for Orbital strike.

>>13553692

That mission was pretty easy for me, for some reason he would crash his Predator repeatedly into Thule and stop for a good while, so i just meltaed him to death.

Although, having the Blood Ravens being imperial thieves probably makes it one of the most enjoyable chapters out there.
I mean salamanders are still my favorite SM faction but goddamn Blood Raven pickpockets are hilarious. I mean you can get a fucking vindicare rifle for Cyrus. It's shit compared to one other rifle stat wise but it's a fucking beast.
On another note I'm pretty sure Cyrus and Martellus are confirmed to be non-traitor. Does this mean Steve Blum is truly the emperor's blessed?

>>13553734
Steve Blum is fucking everybody, though.

>>13553734

But, he's also Eliphas.

>>13553734

Steve Blum even looks like Cyrus irl (after too many visits to Donut Emperor).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3hsdevGgwU

>>13553734
Can´t get the Image of a Blood Raven rooting through the garbage bins of other chapters out of my head.

So who´s going on 1d4chan to add Kleptomania to the Blood Ravens habits?

Or should I do it myself? As always...

I think you can also get Lemartes armour in Chaos Rising. Bunch of wretched thieves.

>>13553808
I think I'm gonna go grab that All Wargear mod just to see how bad it really is.

>>13553764
Eliphas will always be the original DoW voice to me. Just because they went and had Blum do it for DoW 2 will not change how I hear it.
Also look up the voices Steve Blum has done. It's goddamn ridiculous.

>>13553814

Go here instead.

http://dow2.info/Category:Campaign_Weapon_Wargear

>>13553734
>Blood Raven pickpockets are hilarious.
Aye, makes them some what of a adoring favorit.

>>13553822

He has voiced well over 1,000 characters; not including additional miscellaneous voices as random background characters.

>>13553836
Aye, it gives them some characterization beyond Bland Hero protagonist with a Hairesy problem

>>13553829
Wow, they stole stuff from the Salamanders too?

>The habit of Blood Raven artificers to name relics in honor of the heroes of other chapters has caused its share of friction with those receiving this honor. The Dark Angels chapter was especially displeased by the naming of this mighty power first - Master Belial of the Deathwing stating "We have blessed no such thing"

>Ragnar Blackmane of the Space Wolves is said to have laughed aloud when informed that Blood Ravens artificers had prepared a power axe in his honor and that they intended to send it to Fenris as a gift. "Let them keep their trinkets" he said.

Goddamn the Blood Ravens really are foreveralone

>>13553845

And every single one of them is the same fucking boring ass voice that you instantly recognise as him.

>>13553881
And Kleptomaniac trash overturners.

>>13553869
That reminds me of that one Bolt Pistol, Baal's [Somethingoranother] where the description reads soemthing along the lines of; 'Cahpter records state this pistol was given to the Blood Raven's by the Blood Angels in an exchange of arms between the chapters as a sign of unity. The Blood Angels have no records of this exchange ever taking place.'

Goddamn kleptomanic gits.

>Blood Ravens Captain Gabriel Angelos used this pistol to slay the traitor Isador Akios once his closest friend. Angelos discarded the weapon in disgust at the Ruinous Powers and the taint they bring to Man. His battle brothers recovered the weapon and returned it to the chapter armory.

"So he threw away a perfectly good weapon just because it's a traumatic memory? Bah, put it back in the armory. We'll put a fresh coat of paint and some polish and pretend it's a gift from the dark angels or something.

>Blessed by Chaplain Elizur on the eve of the Ninth Flagellant Heresy this power sword's inscription reads "Let the stars die and Mankind end before this sword returns unblooded to its sheath."

This is totally not a Khornate artifact we swear!

>>13553940
More like :
" He threw away a perfectly goo demonically tainted weapon? Pish posh, store it for when we inevitably fall to corruption."

>>13553278
>>13553270
>>13553266
Bluhd Rehvans will change their name to Bluhd Gypsies for DoW 3

>Originally wielded in the scourging of Radebe Prime reports from the battle indicate an Assault Marine Sergeant leading the charge became imbued with a berserker rage. Each enemy felled seemed to bolster his resolve driving the squad to retake a vital ammunition storage facility from the Orks.

khorneface.jpg

>Each shell fired from this weapon is a paean to the glory of the Emperor - the roar of fury that destroys our enemies. The volume of fire expended each engagement is enough to keep a dozen munitions servitors engaged for a month but that cost pales in comparison to the dead piled at the feet of the Dreadnought blessed to wield this Assault Cannon.

She weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute.
It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon... for twelve seconds.

>>13553982
Blood Ravens theft has expanded to include Intellectual property I see.

>Said to fire plasma of such heat it might crack the mantle of a world this weapon bears its name in reference to the rumored purgation of the Dark Angels homeworld of Caliban. Members of that chapter look at this naming as an insult and have been heard to call for the Blood Ravens to suffer a similar "absolution."

Now THIS is a gift they ought to give the the Dark Angels.

>This Garm-pattern bolt pistol bears the sigils of the Imperial Inquisition. It was discovered in the Blood Raven Fortress on Cyrene Secundus near the body of a murdered Inquisitor. It has proved to be an effective weapon in spite of its dark origins.

Holy shit. Why haven't they been excommunicated already?

>>13553982

What, the dread equipped with this cannon got its own ammo dump?

>>13553996
"I´m burning you to bits while also exposing your chapters deepest secrets! No, I don´t know how I got that information. You are a heretic, nananana!"

>>13554006

What? Punish the poor Blood Ravens just because some clumsy inquisitor cant handle a gun?

For shame, for shame indeed.

>The Black Templars Space Marine's legendary hatred of psykers at times extends to the Blood Ravens. Legend has it this animosity came to a head in M36 when a Templar crusade engaged a strike cruiser of the 5th Company - led by a Commander and Librarian. Some say this power fist was named specifically later to goad the Templars.

Some say the Blood Ravens are thieves, but I know that in truth they are trolls.

>>13554006
Oh hey, Dead Inquisitor. Strip him of his weapons you guys!

Bet Inquisitor Thor is somewhere at the bottom of a lake, power armor and pistol stripped off him.

>>13554006
I'd like to point out that Cyrene was Exterminatus'd for heresy.

>>13554042
In the grimdark far future, there is only cost-efficient corpse disposal.

A group of Grey Knights, lead by an Inquisitor fights alongside the Blood Ravens. The Inquisitor drops his inferno pistol.

"Oops. Hey, could you give me my-"

Grey Knight captain rests his hand on the Inquisitor's shoulder with a sigh.

"You can forget your gun. It's long gone."


Mental image I got.

>Forged in honor of Leman Russ Primarch of the Space Wolves chapter this ancient power axe can cleave through man and machine alike. The Space Wolf artificers took the forging of this axe as an insult and much bad blood remains between the Blood Ravens and the scions of Fenris.

Guys, just stop , no one seems to want your tributes.

>>13554073
Don´t you get it? They didn´t actually make those, it´s a whitewashing scheme to allow the BR to use their nicked gear.

>Named in honor of the First Captain of the Imperial Fists this massive thunder hammer is said to have met with its namesake's scorn instead of his appreciation. "I remember them not from the rolls of the Index Astartes" Lyssander supposedly said of the Blood Ravens.

I'm starting to feel kind of sad for them now. Blood Ravens, the bastard sons of the Emperor.

So, Blood Ravens is the equivalent of THAT GUY among the Space Marine Chapters?

>>13553962
That's true of all the corrupted weapons when you think about it.

"Congratulations on your victory! As a reward, the chapter has decided to grant you this bloody power sword we found on a sacrificial altar to the chaos god. Don't worry if it whispers heresy in your thoughts, that's just some leftover taint we haven't been able to cleanse. Have fun!"

>>13554070

So if the Blood Ravens ever get their own codex they will have "Yoinks" and "Finder`s Keepers" special rules?

>For unknown reasons Iron Priest Bjorksten of the Space Wolves briefly accompanied the Blood Ravens forces during the Exodite Purges of Kading Prime. After one bloody battle the Iron Wolf looked on this power axe and called it a fine prize.

So they called it "Prized of the Iron Wolf". LOL, come on guys. I guess you take what you can get.

>>13554097
I feel like they are some sort of crazy bastards going around giving everyone shit they don´t want and screaming "taaakee iiit!"

Why do they even keep all this stuff in the Armory, and then describe it as if it´s this glorious item while it´s actually just a returned gift card?

>>13554112
"Someone finally likes us! Hooray!"

>>13554097
I think everyone knows who their Primarch is and just doesn't feel like telling them, but doesn't want to risk their gifts.

>>13554100
Precisely. I'm looking through their battlegear, and apparantly they have stolen a bolter from the Custodes as well.

I'm seriously tempted to make a cleptomaniac Blood Raven character for Deathwatch now. He'd be a fanboy of the major chapters too. "Holy Emperor, a Black Templar looked at my left shoulder pad! I will name it Sight of the Templar!"

>The secretive Dark Angels found themselves in battle alongside the Blood Ravens while purging a planet of cultists in M39. Before they were cleansed many yelled war cries to the foul traitor marine apparently guiding their efforts. The sons of Lion El'Johnson fell upon the main host with a rage and fury never witnessed before assaulting the main camp alone and unsupported before leaving mysteriously after entering the leader's bunker.

I read that as the Blood Ravens being the ones cleansed.

>>13554138
Blood Ravens, "poser" marines.

lol, my opinion of the Blood Ravens has improved tremendously thanks to this thread.

>>13554139

They need to be. Them and the Storm Wardens both.

>>13554125
Yeah, accept a gift from Magnus' boys and the next thing you know you've got a third arm, a limb coming out of your back for which there is no name and a second face on your inner left thigh that insists on singing spice girls in swahili.

the other chapters obviously don't care much for their artifacts if they're left bumming around on some shithole planets.

>Thought to be of a set with the similarly named power axe 'Eagle Talon' this plasma pistol was recovered on Balassu Primaris. As with its companion this weapon bears the heraldry of the Doom Eagles chapter but was found far from any recorded activities of that chapter.

"We could give it back, but... well.. they're a second founding Ultramarine chapter."

>>13554112
So basically they stored that thing in the armory after a wolf priest said it was a good axe?

"It´s a holy relic!"
"How so?"
"That guy said it was pretty cool."
"..."

Honestly, I get more of an image of squealing Astartes fan-girls running around trying to get signatures. Except the signatures are weapons and the fan-girls are armored murder machines.

>>13554138

And of course he would give inappropriate gifts to everyone, like a boltgun slightly worse than the one the recipient is currently using.

"I thought i lost this boltgun a month back, are you stalking me?"

"YES!!.... No, i mean no"

>Coward's Pardon

>The Arbiters of the Meridian developed a grim practice during the Rodway Uprising. On the night before they were to go on trial accused agitators would find a shotgun with a single shell in their cells. Fully 50% of those arrested took their own lives rather than face the dubious mercies of the courts.

That's like a German soldier calling his rifle "Kike's Oven".

>>13554179

They don't know their Primarch, of course they would have an insecurity problem.

>>13554187

They actually admit as much.

>No records exist of the Blood Ravens' own Primarch a fact that drives their number to a ceaseless search for knowledge. With none to dedicate the chapter's past history to the Great Father blessed this Assault Cannon to all of those legendary forefathers of the Space Marines.

Hey, wait... ALL the Primarchs? Including the Traitor Primarchs?

>>13554187

The Blood Ravens are the red-headed stepchild of the Adeptus Astartes.

This thread begs for drawfaggotry.

Either Blood Ravens stealing shit or fainting when an Ultramarine graces them with his look.

>>13554179

Drawfags, if you're reading this, FUCKING DO IT!!!!!

>>13554184
"This Shotgun is awesome!"
"Why? What saints and martyrs of the Emperor have wielded it?"
"Oh none, it was used by prisoners to commit suicide. But dude, Shotgun!"

Incidentally, is there some method to give my file all the pure/corrupt items, and only those?

>Let all xenos tremble before the Angels of Death. -- inscribed on this bolter's pommel

I want to see a power fist that reads:
>On one of the gigantic power fists is an inscription: "Marneus Calgar, Ultram-" The remaining has been hurriedly scratched out and replaced with: "Property of the Blood Ravens."

BLOOD RAVENS AREN'T GYPSIES, YOU GUYS

THEY ARE PCS

"OH OUR ALLY IS DEAD? TAKE HIS STUFF AND PUT IT IN THE ARMORY, WE'LL FIND A PLACE TO SELL IT FOR A +5 BOLTER ONE OF THESE DAYS"

>>13554187
I can say with the utmost certainty that it's Magnus The Cyclo-Red, Magnus The Red.
They're derived from the Thousand Sons, it's all there if you know where to look.

>>13554200
Derp Undivided

>>13554225
Ahriman directly states this, you don't have to point it out. It's also been mentioned in this thread already.

>>13554224
PCs don't give terrible fanboy gifts to major NPCs, and then value those gifts *even more* after they were disdainfully rejected.

>Blood Ravens Techmarine Isaak Jordanos once endeavored to visit to the Space Wolves home world of Fenris. Rebuffed by the grim chapter he was still impressed by the sight of their famed "Fang" fortress visible even from orbit. He marveled at the glorious structure and set about to forge a great power axe in honor of both the mighty fortress and the legendary chapter that built it.

>>13554234
What's the source for this? I don't recall it from DoW but I might have missed it.

>>13554215
Didn't Cyrus get a "modified" Exitus rifle? I seem to have one on my CR playthrough.

"Once belonging to a skilled and deadly assassin, a phrase is etched in the rifle. "Exitus Acta Prob-REMEMBER WELL THE LESSONS OF STEALTH, SCOUTS, FOR YOU MUST STRIKE LIKE SHADES IN THE NIGHT. - Cyrus."

>>13554250
It was in one of the books, actually.

>>13554245
Eh, they´ve rejected our poweraxes two times already. But shit, that fortress is awesome! Third time´s charm! *crafts another shitty poweraxe*

There is this Terminator Armour called 'Blessed Cage' it gives RIDICULOUS bonuses to stamina, strength and will. I can't remember the backstory.

>a scout fought alongside an imperial assassin, and mysteriously his sniper appeared to his wargear
Nothing is sacred to them, not even bros.

>Fearful Judgment

>Another weapon based on the arms of the Arbiters of Meridian this shotgun's barrel is engraved with the apocryphal Judgment Upon Horus once said to be the Emperor's own condemnation of his treasonous son.

Oh, the inquisition is going to LOVE this.

>>13554245

If I had time I'd writefag up that visit. I just can't get over the image of a fanboy techmarine looking sheepishly at the rune priests when he's told that he can't go to Fenris after having travelled all the way there. "Well at least I can see the Fang from orbit!" "No, dude, that's a mountain range. The Fang's on the other side of the planet."

Blood Ravens are Carmen Sandiego Chapter.

Things the Blood Ravens have stolen:

The gleam from the Moon over Holy Terra
The shade from the Fortress of Hera
The permafrost from Fenris
The fashion sense of the Pretty Marines
The rage from the Angry Marines

>>13554272
and then he crafted the sniper rifle "Custom officer's Insight", which always find its mark even as the enemy tries to hide behind illusions.

>>13554259
What book? And please don't say Goto.

>>13554282
I don't remember, but it wasn't Goto.

Someone archive this thread and add it to 1d4chan. Please.

>>13554295
I thought all Blood Raven books were Goto

>>13554306

Correct, all DoW adaptations are by Goto.

>>13554306
>>13554311

not the DoW 2 book(s).

also, I think the real reason the Black Templars chain their boltguns and power swords and what-not to their wrists is so the Blood Ravens can't steal their wargear.

>>13554306
Then I simply don't remember.

>>13554311
So you´re telling me Goto actually came up with the whole BR descendant from thousand sons schtick? Godamn, he had one good idea then.

>>13554298
Only the end is any good, and that's mostly copy-paste of weapon descriptions already stored on the DoW wiki. We don't even have a drawfaggot.

>>13554321

Graham McNeil did their Index Astartes article, and put the hints in A Thousand Sons, so it might've been his idea. Or it was the one good idea Goto ever had.

>>13554328
http://dow2.info/Wargear:Pistol_of_Baal

>>13554316
Why do Astartes have magnetic clamps for their helmets? Because the Blood Ravens would nick them if they´d let them lie around.

Why do landspeeders have seat belts? So the Blood Ravens won´t steal it out from under you

>>13554320
They're suggested as TS descendants in Horus Heresy series.

>>13554346
Huh? Where?

>>13554344
The reason there's no data on two entire Space Marine Legions is because the Blood Ravens stole it all to troll the Inquisition.

>>13554359

A Thousand Sons.

A psyker explodes while babbling about "ravens of blood" searching for lost knowledge. Also, before the Space Wolves arrive to wolf Prospero's wolf, a bunch of Thousand Sons ships are sent off to Magnus-knows-where, with sealed instructions that are only to be opened when they arrive.

I cant help but think that somewhere an inquisitor or sister of battle is reading this thread going "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"

>>13554390
and the instruction is "steal everything that isn't bolted down. Actually remove the bolt and steal that too."

>>13554407
They actually have a Heavy Bolter from Sororitas.

>> This peerless Heretic-pattern flamer bears the seals of the Inquisition and the Sisters of Battle. It is said to be a gift from the Order of the Lost Rosetta an order with connections to the Blood Ravens.

EVEN THE SISTERS OF BATTLE IS NOTHING SACRED TO THE BLOOD RAVENS?

>>13554410

On the ship that some Thousand Sons of the Corvidae were on, I'm sure.

>Once in the chapter's past the Blood Ravens were thought to be descended from the Blood Angels after reports reached the Administratum that some of their number were exhibiting symptoms of the Black Rage. Although these reports were later found to be mistaken the affair led chapter artificers to name this chainsword after those very visions of death and destruction.

HAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK BLOOD RAVENS

Obligatory

>When the unusually heavily armored Orks on the ice world of Immir proved too numerous for slower firing Plasma Guns Blood Raven artificers forged this unique weapon that unleashes especially superheated plasma at an increased rate of fire.

Okay, that has to have a special "Gets Hot!" rule. It's Assault 4, but Gets Hot! on ANY missed to-hit roll, not just a 1.

>>13554390

That would actually be a somewhat cool way for Magnus the Red to cheat fate.

Sure he and his Legion gets screwed over but he manages to save something at least.

>>13554420
It did say they were connected to the order it came from

I suspect the "Order of the Lost Rosetta" shares some common interests with the Ravens.

>captcha: alcoholic fracka
...and I suppose that might be one of them.

>>13554432

God, I love this! Can you make one for the Black Templars and the Dark Angels too?

>>When elements of the Blood Ravens 9th Company pursued an Ork raider to the ice world of Valhalla Sgt. Ulanthus drove this sword through the skull of Warboss Icekrakka.
Oh no not Icekrakka

I need a drawfag make an ork loota look at a blood raven armory or something with super envy in his face or something.

Holy shit.

>>13554426
What do you think they´ll do when they hear they might be 1000 son descendants? Forge Bedlam staffs and turn every tactical marine into an automaton?

Such pathetic wannabes.

>>13554418
They have a fucking (modified) Jump-Pack from the Sororitas. The FC can equip a Sororitas Jump Pack

>>13554503

Ah hahaha.

That might get him flying up like, what, 4 feet?

BR?BRBRBR? GIBE ARTIFACTS PLS I REPORT YU HUAHUEHUAHUEHUAHUEHUAHUEHUAHUEHUAHUE

>>13554501

probably just name a force weapon after Magnus or something. since they can't take a hint about other chapters not liking it when they name stuff after them, they probably would have no idea that it's generally considered rude to name something after a traitor legion or primarch.

>>13554471
"This? Tottaly legit. The sisters gave it to us as a present... er... when we were in Kaurava. We really got along there. Yes."

>>13554511
No, it just gives him

-4 STR

>>13554477
I called my warboss BitchSlappa after destroying the Sororitas fortress on Kaurava.

>>13554511
It says it's been modified to lift a spess mahreen, but it was originally a "gift" from the Ad Sor.

>BR?BRBRBR?

I see what you did there.

>>13554532
I'm starting to wonder what "gift" means to the Blood Ravens...

>>13554544

It is a vague term, but it usually implies that the object can be lifted, by a crane in a pinch.

>>13554519
>This magnificent sword was used by Horus himself when he slew the Saint Ollanius pius. The Blood Ravens have enshrined this artifact after... reclaiming it... from the Inquisition. It is given to the most successful Force Commanders.


What do you mean "it´s generally looked down upon to name your gear after Horus"? Besides, we didn´t name it, it´s an original.

>>13554544
>Oh...Boreale, baby, that was wonderful. How about you give me some more Steel Ra -
>...where the fuck is my jump pack?
>BOOOOOOOOOOREEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLE

And that's why Soulstorm happened.

>Eye of Magnus

>When the Blood Ravens finally learned the identity of their Unknown Primarch, they were overjoyed. Their Master of the Forge created this helmet attachment, which allowed the wearer access to night vision, infrared, heat vision and other modes of visual detection, and named it in honor of the Blood Ravens' Primarch's distinctive feature.

>When equipped, the Force Commander can see further.

>>13554574
>Boreale having sex.

THE MENTAL IMAGES AND SOUNDS.

THEY BURN.

>>13554528
Haha, I regularly play against SoB with Orkz, I might do this just for the lulz.
>>13554544
I think we both know what it means.

A Blood Raven Scout is surveying the carnage following a battle where he fought side by side with the Emperor's Finest, the great Ultramarines. Hundreds of brothers died, but victory was won, as the Ultramarine and Blood Raven apothecaries go about recovering the Gene-Seed of the fallen, the Battle Brothers do the grim work of recovering relics for the Chapter.

The scout spots a power fist, painted blue, which has been blown clean off of its previous owner's arm. Naturally it would be rude to take without asking, so as quietly as he can the scout mumbles "did anyone drop this?" After a quick look around that no one has answered, he snatches the powerfist and puts it in his bag. This ritual continues with the rest of the Blood Ravens across the battlefield. After the battle the Ultramarines count their relics and lament how much was lost in the battle, while the Blood Ravens count theirs and praise how much was gained.

I think the real question is, could Creed hide a Baneblade so well that even the Blood Ravens couldn't steal it?

How long before that Thunder Hammer from the Ultramarines movie shows up aboard the Litany of Fury?

Archive'd

>Trythios, first of the Blood Ravens to ever serve in the Inquisition's alien-hunting Deathwatch, took this plasma pistol with him when his service began. Since then it as accompanied all Blood Ravens undertaking such service.

So... wait... there is only ever one Blood Raven in the entire Death Watch at a time?

>>13554650

Nah, they mass produce the same pistols, and just stamp Trythios' name on it.

>>13554650

Any more, and their armory would be gone over the night.

>>13554650

Any more and the Deathwatch would risk having all their neat shit go become Blood Ravens relics.

>>13554662
>>13554668

Well, that explains the Omega Vault.

But not how the Blood Ravens keep looting it.

"Dude, you're in the Deathwatch now, maybe you want something better than a crappy old plasma pistol?"
"No! The High Inquisitor looked upon this gun and deemed it 'cute'! I will never replace it! I will never wash it!"

>>13554681

The Blood Ravens have their methods on how they steal shit.

Which they stole.

>>13554662

The Deathwatch still mourn the day they by mistake let two Blood Ravens serve at once, it is the second worst calamity by their reckoning after the Horus Heresy.

>>13554650
Well,
>Scourge of Xenos
>The Blood Ravens chapter armory entrusted this heavy bolter to Sergeant Brin when he became the second of the chapter's brothers to serve in the Inquisition's Deathwatch. Upon its return the weapon had seen much terrible combat and received the blessings of three Inquisitors.
So apparently that tradition lasted for exactly one person.

But never mind that! Now we have TWO chapter relics!

The reason Orks can't Loot vehicles anymore is because the Blood Ravens stole the rule.

>>13554668
Half the Deathwatch is stationed around the Armory at all times whenever a Blood Raven is doing service in the Deathwatch.

There´s still dozens of relics, dreadnought shells and CC weapons going missing.

One wonders how the one guy in the Deathwatch gets all that shit shipped to the BR´s fleet?

>>13554708

Inquisitors can bless stuff?

"SIR!! Sir, can you bless my bolter"

"Huh? Whatever, err.. Emprah.. Blessimus.. Yadda yadda yadda."

"Sweet!"

>>13554708

Eh, he could have carried the pistol as a sidearm. The BR probably decided they were going to relic up whatever that guy brought with him anyway.

>>13554727

Why, with the battle barge that suddenly went missing as well.

>Consecrated first for the Ordo Xenos as proof against the alien, many Deathwatch Space Marines used this chainblade to slay the enemies of mankind. When the first Blood Raven to serve in that capacity - Brother Trythos - returned to Tartarus and subsequently died fighting the Eldar the Inquisition gifted the sword to the chapter in his honor.

Hahahaha.

Oh wow.

>>13553869
>>13553881
Space mormons

>>13554763

Whenever the Imperial Navy claims losses after fleet actions with the Blood Ravens, they don't mean 'to enemy action'.

Am I the only one who wants to play Thief Ravens now?

An Ork Battlewagon with "PROPERTY OF BLUD RAVENS" painted on the side and haphazardly covered with Aquilas, a Carnifex with a collar and heavy bolters haphazardly taped to his arms, a Tactical Squad with bitz from every other army glued on them...

>>13554782

I'm surprised the Blood Ravens don't paint themselves blue.

In b4 blue facepaint or tattoos appear on some Blood Ravens in the next expansion

>StarGuides crrapp

>>13554780
Hell, we´ve only been talking about the WEAPONS these guys nick. Can you imagine Angelos´s rooms? Desk from the Imperial Navy, a censer from the Navis Nobilite, a chair from the Ecclesiarchy...

The Marines probably compete with one another for who can steal the most shit and decorate their rooms with it.

Come to think about it, Gabriel Angelos still has the Daemonhammer Inquisitor Toth loaned him for the final mission of DoW1.

>>13554801

But it can't simply be theft for thievery's sake.

Everything the Blood Ravens misappropriate is because that object is a HOLY RELIC. This stolen desk? Holy desk. Same with that bookshelf. And that rug.

>>13554816

You mean gifted. Gifted him.

Also: "No, Brother Avitus, for the last time, we're not going to rename our Chapter the 'Space Magpies'. Just because Bjorn the Fel-handed once said it was the 'only proper name that bunch of thieving bastards deserve' doesn't mean it's a good reason to do it."

>>13554820
Ultramarines come to visit.

"Say... that mural over there, I can clearly remember that being part of our fortress Monastery on Maccrage.."
"Yes, it was... gifted to us by Calgar Himself. Holy Relic. Adorns our chapel now. Wielded by our greatest heroes in over a hundred campaigns, moving on."
"Wait, wielded, how, when!?"
"Moving on"
"Hey, where´s my ancient stormbolter?"

- Salutations, librarian.
- *sigh* What is it THIS time, Cyrus?
- I require a new Deathwatch-class sniper rifle.
- AGAIN? What happened to the last one?
- "Precision of Death" was swallowed whole by a tyranid during an ambush.
- Wasn't that what you said for the previous one?
- You... are mistaken. Yes. "Unseen Demise of the Vain" was tainted by chaos during the assault on the dark temple and had to be destroyed.
- Hey, a sniper rifle is missing from the special vault! There is nothing on record!
- Ah, er, you mean "Sighted Fury of the Forge World"? It was, it was, it was sabotaged by an eldar witch.
- From halfway across the galaxy?
- ...The Xenos are cunning.

It's funny because I always hear Jonah saying "Come, brothers, let us steal."

And he's black. And Blood Raven. Oh relic...

>>13554898
Brother Jonah was given extra melanin as a reward and testament of his skill in reclaiming ancient relics. All black Blood Ravens are the chapter´s most accomplishd relic recoverers.

You knew Isidor was on to something when he stole the Maledictum.

>>13554932
Just honoring an age old Blood Raven tradition. Steal relics. Any relics. Doesn´t matter whether it´s Chaos possessed or not.

Why are the Blood Ravens the stars of Dawn of War, instead of any other chapter?

They captured Relic.

Why were they the canonical winners of Dark Crusade?

They captured all the Relics.

>>13554973
Angelos showed remarkable restraint in smashing the thing instead of nicking it for himself.

>>13554998
Capture isn´t exactly the word here. Rather stole, nicked, took possession of, gained in aggressive negotiations, given, borrowed.

>Worn by semi-mythical Blood Raven hero Byronus this ancient armor is engraved with dozens of proclamations of the purity of Byronus's gene-seed and repudiations of any accusation of gene-defect.

>>13555029
Well except the Kleptomania. There´s that defect.

>>13555029

"His ill-fitting and mismatched armor claims that the rumors of a genetic flaw said to cause a rampant drive to steal in all Blood Ravens is not only false, but isn't present in him. I see no reason to doubt thi- Hey, where the hell is my servo-skull and power weapon?"

>Favored of Baradiel

>This fine power armor is said to incorporate several modifications favored by Dark Angels Master Baradiel. How the Blood Ravens artificers would know of these techniques and preferences is unclear.

- Techpriest, what are you doing in the Dark Angels' secret forbidden library with a camera?
- Oh, you know, just... looking around... I was looking for the mess actually, I think I must have turned the wrong way... I'll be leaving now.

>Penitence of the Fallen

>This specially-modified Chainsword is inlaid with six black orbs along its blade, and was named by the Blood Ravens' Master of the Forge in honor of the Dark Angels ceaseless crusade against traitors. Upon hearing of this weapon's existence, Supreme Grand Master Azrael himself transmitted a message via astropath to Terra proclaiming that he had "no idea what those fucking Blood Ravens are talking about," and that they were probably Heretics.

^^ oh come on, it's too easy, you don't even have to make it up

>Gift of Mars

>When Techmarine Martellus returned from his training on Mars he brought a great gift of ornately crafted power armor. Though many in the chapter have tried none have ever persuaded him to tell of how the secretive Techpriests of Mars came to reward the Blood Ravens with such a prize.

>>13555087
Bonus points: The canon defects of their geneseed are perfect memory and a lack of REM sleep. According to Lexicanum anyway.

>>13555140
a great "gift"

>>13555140
Blood Ravens are like Inverse Santa Claus. They get in everywhere and take all the presents.

"Then brother Martellus unveiled the Dragon he´d been given while he spent time on Mars."

>>13555140
>>13555179

It's even more interesting when you realize he wasn't invited to Mars.

>>13555200
Nor any form of transportation to get there.

>Testament of Hate

>Prayer strips sealed to this power armor by Reclusiarch Mikelus read: "I am a Blood Raven born into the starry sky on wings of hate. Hate for the alien and his opposition to Man. Hate for the treasons of brothers and fathers."
"HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY POWER ARMOR. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR XENOS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."

>Older even than the Terminator armor it sits within this teleporter is among the very oldest relics of the Blood Ravens chapter. Many question how a device seeming to date back at least to the Great Crusade could be tied to a comparably young chapter.
How indeed.

>>13555264
On the back it says: "Luna wo-BLOOD RAVENS"
When questioned about it, the Ravens claim they "found" the suit.

Just wait until some poor techpriest discovers that the Blood Ravens' servitors are actually Men of Iron.

>>13555323
How they´d get those then? Besides, that´s unjustifiable Heresy. For the rest they just borrow a lot of things.

>Stigmatum Sanguinius

>Owing to the chapter coloration and naming many scribes and administrators in the Imperium falsely attribute the Blood Ravens' founding chapter to be the Blood Angels. This is not made any clearer by the honorific names bestowed on some of the Blood Ravens' oldest relics such as this Iron Halo. Some even whisper that these misleading names are intentional misdirection by the Blood Ravens themselves.

>Reworked to fit the larger Space Marine frame this pack retains the core engines of a Seraph-pattern jump pack. It came to the Blood Ravens during the Vespa campaign a gift from Sister Superior Christine Seraph of the Order of the Golden Light.

No wonder they have a corruption problem, half the stuff is probably tainted by Chaos. See Tarkus and the Blighted Bolter.

>>13555424

>>13555576
And THAT is why Tarkus is the canon traitor. You cannot AVOID getting those items

>>13555769
Have you seen Tarkus' corruption quest? He pretty much slaughters a bunch of chaos space marines, and says "The fucking blood ravens are incompetent thieving idiots. I am going to fix it or be consumed trying."
All of the Chaos Rising traitor quests except Martellus were really damn well done.

>>13554639
Alternative ending to Ultramarines:

Blood Magpies have stolen the Hammer while ultras were planetside.

FUUUUUU-

Blood Ravens seem to have black marines, you know? (Salamanders don't count, they're coal-black)

So uh... Space Niggers?