/tg/ not liking starships? This is madness!

Emperor Class Battleships
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Ships that aren't so obviously designed by someone from a planet with gravity.
"Decks"
"Horizontal axis"

>>9228420

Would you mind expanding on that for me?

I mostly like small stuff. From fighters and bombers to frigates. And yeah, I like something that's not designed to look like naval warships.

Capital Ships make me hard.

Nothing quite pleases my loins like the hard lines of a Imperial II Star Destroyer.

>>9228392

FUCK YEAR BABYLON 5

I prefer a wide variety of starship classes myself. Anything from small starfighters to fuckhuge space dreadnoughts.

I prefer ships designed to carry entire colonies. I dont mind weather its to another planet, or just generally in space.

I actually like 40K spaceships.

Something about having a cathedral shoved onto a ridiculously oversize spaceship that appeals to me.

Capital Ships FTW for me. Normally Battleships or Destroyer class ships. Carriers bore me a little bit, but they are good too.

>>9228444
Not the same, but I imagine he's referring to spacecraft that have obvious lineage to sea craft and airplanes, and decks laid out 'up' to 'down'. Though on the last there could be technical/practical concerns about- unless building a large sphere.

>>9228209

I like renegade OUs that effectorize bumps into threads just to piss off sagefags.

Post related, I'm one. I just gave sagefag's mother an orgasm from orbit.

>>9228414
welcome to 4chan. we believe in freedom to discuss whatever we feel like.
OP was asking /tg/, not the whole community. on that basis you could go and ask "what's /ck/'s favorite GUN?".
don't try to do the mods' work.

I like "ship" ships, none of the spacefighter bullshit. Hull, guns and missiles, engine, that's it, off you go to die in the great void between.

I like how the ships are handled in Traveller. That is moderate ships manned by small crews and a lot of automation.

I like medium sized cruisers or destroyers. Lots of weapons. Smaller crew size. Damn decent armor and can pack a punch. Anti-fighter craft are alway's nice. As long as I can have at least one weapon that can fuck up something larger in case someone tosses the shit through a fan.

The real reason ships are laid out that way is that trying to film actors on Earth pretending they are in microgravity is awkward and not very believable. It is better to just hand wave it away or ignore it entirely in order to make a better story.

In books and role-playing games where the only limit is our imagination then there is no problem.

>>9228444
Sure. There is no reason to design starships with a horizontal axis like the ones pictured above. For one, without some kind of inertia/gravity technology, the second you turn on the engines and accelerate the perceived axis inside the ship would rotate 90 degrees and the wall facing the engines would be "down." It's better to design a ship vertically, stacked on top of the engines, where you would not have to plan for that. (And this would only work for ships that only accelerate in one direction, like long-haul colony ships or cargo movers. Anything approaching combat would likely look like spheroid.) A similar approach goes for station construction: with no gravity, there is no reason to build in any one direction. All are perfectly valid.

I prefer what most writers refer to as "battlewagons" or "superdreadnoughts", the biggest, baddest (but still mass-produced, no unique snowflake shit) vessels to cross the space, designed for fleet engagements and laying waste to entire star systems and civilizations. row upon row of turrets and launchers, enormous shields and armor, manouverability of a brick. They're not designed with speed or subtlelty in mind, they're designed as the ultimate blungeon.

OP says he likes starships that arent too big that theyre cumbersome.....pic is the biggest ship that vader owns, and is infact bigger than the biggest 40k ship there is........

Cityships so huge they have to manipulate gravity itself to avoid tearing apart whichever solar system they happen to be floating through!

>>9228600
Very true, anon. In space, maneuverability matters very little when you have massive firepower and shielding — how exactly are you supposed to outmaneuver or outrun a laser cannon?

>>9228657

With bonus shitty perspective that sd.net can translate into moar bigger numbars.

I like real big carrier-type things. It makes for an easy setting in space games, and depending on the size of the ship and crew could handle going around planets too.

Effectively, I like White Base.

>>9228681

>how exactly are you supposed to outmaneuver or outrun a laser cannon?

Come on.

>>9228692

....so you're saying its NOT bigger?

>>9228392
>>9228471
B5 Fuck yeah, all the bigger human ships look good, but Omega has that "IAMGONNAFUCKYOUUP" look on it that most warhips on other scifi-series lack

>>9228704

nope, not even close

>>9228600
I prefer this style, though when I do role play this sorta thing I have a mix classes to ensure coverage of all possibly deployed enemy ships. I also prefer above all else relativistic projectile weapons, cause there's nothing like smackin' someone upside the head with a few pounds of fusing hydrogen moving at 1/2 speed of light.Or hell a few pounds of anything moving at 1/2 speed of light.

>>9228657
Not OP, but when I think "big ship", I think Dahak-sized at the least.

>>9228729
If it's moving at 0,5c you could throw shit at the enemy you know.
.
....fuck, don't tell Japan, I don't want to see that in doujin!

I like Alkesh class vessels.

I don't mind Ha'taks? But they're too... Cumbersome for my personal tastes.

I really liked Apophis' super ha'tak though.

Getting all that Naquada is a bitch though, lemm tell ya.

>>9228736
>Dahak

>>9228736
Actually, that's a question. How big is "big"? I mean, what's B5 compared to the most ridiculous cathedral ship think in 40k? How about either to Red Dwarf?

Though I'm not that hot on HOLY SHIT THIS THINGS HAS TO BREAK PHYSICS ON AN INCOMPREHENSIBLE SCALE, so I think of "big" in a different way for things like this.

>>9228761
What's doujin? I thought the word was Hentai or anime?

>>9228776
Was a scale of Red Dwarf ever given?

>>9228481

In fact change that to Mothership!

>>9228702
be something like 1-5 light second away
use evasive maneuvers

now, they see where your ship was 1-5 seconds ago, and have to shoot at where you will be in 2-10 seconds (the laser has to travel too)

>>9228702
Depending on the setting, there is no use trying to escape getting your ass shot up by a laser with fancy flying and high speed. Most of the time ftl travel is shown as being difficult and requiring some time for preparation before a "jump". With a laser, by the time you know its coming you're fucking dead.

>>9228777
Literally, doujins are published fan-fiction or independent works. They can take lots of forms--technically, the Touhou games are doujins even though ZUN came up with the whole thing himself.

In practice around 4chan, the word "doujin" is synonymous with "porn comic", so that's probably what he means.

I should feel worse about myself for knowing this.

>>9228801
Let's look into that...

Wikipedia says "6 miles (10 km) long, 5 miles (8 km) tall, and 4 miles (6 km) wide".

>>9228657
Thats not the Executor. Its an Old Republic era Sith Battlecruiser. Besides, the Executor wasn't even the biggest ship of its time (by length it might have been, but not by mass).

Pic is more Sith Battlecruisers.

does anyone know why giant spaceships are cumbersome and slow? There's no gravity or friction in space, it seems like it wouldn't matter. I dunno, always bugged me...

>>9228846
because the more massive something is, the slower it accelerates (for constant force)

>>9228801
Yes. They mention it's size in Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers, I think. It's about four miles long, but I don't remember the width or depth. Also, they tell you what the big array on the front is for; it's a 'scoop' that picks up stray particles and converts them into fuel, or something, explaining why the ship never runs out of energy.

>>9228819
see
>>9228811

just keep them far enough away, and either have g suits, inertial compensators, a drone ship, or guts of steel to avoid passing out during the evasive maneuvers

>>9228811
And now it all depends on how good your comp is at evasive manouvers (or your astro if you had time to pre-programm a set of manouvers) and how good is enemy's comp at guessing. And how fast can it's weapons change bearing to hit as many possible target points in as little time. Fuck, I once thought up a setting so advanced that the battles were basically fought when both sides calculated the probabiltities of winning since there was no chance of actually influencing the results as humans simply could not react as fast as the on-board AI's/computers. So if your computer told you that you've lost, you knew you'd lose if you tried to so much as fart loudly. It doesn't make for a good setting though

>>9228846

things in space, while weightless, still have mass. and a lot of it in the case of fuckhuge ships.

>>9228846
Inertia. The more mass, the greater the inertia. I've heard of inertialess drives in "3001", but I don't know how those work.

>>9228878
FUCKIN' INERTIALESS DRIVES

HOW DO THEY WORK

>>9228862
And with mass,inertia. Turn "left" too fast, and see the poopdeck float by as it broke off.

>>9228846
>>9228875
inertia, big things take more energy to get moving, or slow down.
A big ship can move as fast as a small one, but is harder to accelerate or decelerate

>>9228888
IF I KNEW I'D BE CRUISIN' THE FUCKING SPACE, PICKING UP JOVIAN WHORES, NOT WRITING ON 4CHAN!

Wow, a bunch of quick and informative replies! Thanks tg, you're the best board!

>>9228837
Holy shit. That is one big ass ship.

>>9228888

However the author decides they work. They've been around at least since the Lensman books.

>>9228586
>>Anything approaching combat would likely look like spheroid.)

You always hear this, but I just don't see it happening.

1) It's hard to get big ships to dodge shit in fractions of a second, particularly lightspeed weapon. Once you're on a vector, you're pretty much stuck on it anyway.

2) Being spherical and putting engines on all sides and burning only 1 or 2 at time means that the other engines become dead weight. Furthermore, each engine has to be smaller, so the resulting thrust is gonna be less. You end up with a craft that takes longer to accelerate/decelerate anyway and uses up relatively more space that could be used for other useful stuff.

3) Being long and narrow is better. Point your nose at the enemy and in addition to having all your weapons, defenses, sensors pointed at him, you have presented the smallest possible profile for him to target. Because of the aforementioned difficulty in changing vectors easily, he can't just "circle around".

4) Being long and narrow also has other practical advantages. It lets you use the shadow shield concept so your nuclear powerplant doesn't radiate your crew. It lets you more easily eject the engine in case of damage- compared to if it were buried in the innards of your fuselage. If you put lots of stuff up front, you can also use it as a shield against incoming radiation and debris that hit the well shielded front and don't make it to the stuff behind it. You can flip end over end when you need to induce artificial gravity.

>>9228825
That's it. Imagine someone like Shintaro Kago hearing about "shooting shit in space", and you'd have a whole 100 pages of intergalactic war with women attached to feeders, used to shoot constant stream of shit at the enemy at 0,5c. The engines would probably be women and shit fueled too. I mean he did shit-powered WW2 dogfights between amputees, so...

I like specialized ships. Very specialized, with blatantly obvious strengths and weaknesses. Especially when they're stuck trying to fill roles they weren't designed for.
Try to imagine, say, a fast warship built for hit and run attacks being stuck in convoy escort duty. A colony ship retrofitted into a mobile repair base. Fast recon ship that was never meant to be armed, with a huge bomb stuck to it with duct tape, because it's the only ship fast enough to get the job done. That kind of stuff.

i'm curious, wouldn't star wars ships curb stomp any warhammer 40k fleet? i mean look at the size of these things D:

>>9228209
honestly, it's a horrible designed ship (bigger on the inside lol)
but
FUCK YEAH MILLENIUM FALCON
just looking at it makes you feel like you can travel anywhere

>>9228971
I'm a Star Wars fanboy, like, hardcore.

But WH40k was designed to be stupidly, retardedly, monstrously, overwhelmingly too much.

So no. WH40k wins, even if Star Wars is the better setting.

>Point your nose at the enemy and in addition to having all your weapons, defenses, sensors pointed at him

That's implying you'd do "dogfight in space" sort of combat, rather than broadsides. Broadsides do make you a bigger target, but also mean you have more freedom of manouver, as you don't have to constantly point towards enemy, you could put the weapons inside the ship so the problem of turrets failing/falling off in too-fast-manouvers is neutralized, and you could put more weapons into each side this way.

>>9228971

The "Ultra" class doesn't appear anywhere in SW fiction to my knowledge, the other ships are at least EU canon.

>>9228971
I think that's non-cannon bro
unless I missed something, i haven't payed much attention to EU in a while
I guess it's not Death Star huge (fuck you Lucas)

>>9228955
This is actually one of the reasons Iain M. Banks generally uses arrowships in his books. In a combat theater where you can totally obliterate a convoy simply by scattering a thousand tiny bits of metal all over the route they're zipping down at near light-speed, having a small, flat profile is an advantage.

>>9228846
>>does anyone know why giant spaceships are cumbersome and slow?

If I have 2 masses, one is 20kg and the other is 200kg.

I apply an equal amount of energy to both.

The lesser mass will accelerate more quickly and attain a higher velocity. Also, in most fiction, smaller craft generally carry more powerful engines in relation to their mass than larger ones. When you add that to their already lesser mass, they tend to be quicker.

star wars ships don't even have shields they could teleport a bomb into their warp reactor core

>>9228971
Let me forewarn you here: You will get more volatile responses than mine.

JESUS FUCK NO. 40k ships are mind-bogglingly huge. 40k is a universe where people fly through Hell as their FTL, where there are actually orcs, who just so happen to make all their technology work by the power of belief and are also british hooligans made out of fungus.

The scale of 40k is so beyond nearly every other sci-fi universe it's hilarious--like it was intended to be.

Oh wait, you're that doll picture troll guy that came here because /v/ moves too fast. Shut up and get out, Jim Profit was bad enough with that.

>>9228957
>I mean he did shit-powered WW2 dogfights between amputees, so...

I actually read that, it was hilarious

>Also, in most fiction, smaller craft generally carry more powerful engines in relation to their mass than larger ones. When you add that to their already lesser mass, they tend to be quicker.
I like that aspect of Weber's Harrington series, where it's the other way round. The small ships are more manouverable obviously, due to lesser mass, but the big ones can have far bigger engines and stronger generators put in, so they actually attain higher acceleration over time.

>>9229017

Worth noting that Necrons and Eldar don't use shields either. No wonder they are respectively dead race and dying race.

>>9228989
Even the Imperium can't match a death star...
Well, the second one anyways, or the first one with a few wood planks tacked onto certain points

>>9229002
If it's not listed someone on the Star Wars wiki, it's probably not canon.
http://starwars.wikia.com/

>>9229017
/facepalm

>>9229017
they have shields
they're mentioned all the time
fail troll

>>9229029
Source? I'm almost tempted to look through this here.

>>9228936
Yeah, seems about the scale of Star Wars, generally. It had to be that huge to accommodate enough settings for the show, after all.

Now I wonder how big B5 is to compare.

>>9229046
Worth noting that imperial tellyporters are notoriously temperamental and have shit accuracy without the beacon on the other location. Also most ships don't have porters, they're limited to inquisition, SM and some ADmech ships mostly, with one or two BB's posessing them if they're old enough.

Is this an Imperial-I or II class Star Destroyer or something else?

Little Doctor was here, your weapons are shit.

>>9228994
>That's implying you'd do "dogfight in space" sort of combat, rather than broadsides. Broadsides do make you a bigger target, but also mean you have more freedom of manouver, as you don't have to constantly point towards enemy, you could put the weapons inside the ship so the problem of turrets failing/falling off in too-fast-manouvers is neutralized, and you could put more weapons into each side this way.

You're going to be on your vector. Your enemy is going to be on their vector. Your vectors are going to bring you into and out of engagement range relatively quickly.

You can flip and spin and turn in place and jink around a bit, but you aren't changing vectors in any appreciable way. There won't be furballs and bogeys on your tail.

It'll be more like a high speed pass where you take pot shots at one another. Then you both follow your orbits until you swing around into each other again, or both turn around and begin burning towards one another again for another pass.

If your turrets are being ripped off due to maneuvers, your crew is gonna be paste.

>>9229085
FFFFFFFU, image didn't upload >:(

>>9229028
i didn't even post an avatar, and asked a legit question. you guys get mad too much. geez

>>9229051
The Imperium's standard armament on a ship of any size is generally capable of performing exterminatus on a planet. Their best ships can do this on whole solar systems, with no effort.

Believe me. I've been down this road. I wanted Star Wars to "win" this fight, too.

But if the entire population of combat-capable individuals in the Star Wars galaxy teamed up to combat the Imperium alone, they would lose.

This is not hyperbole, the setting is a joke.

>>9229076
Look for Shintaro Kago, but I don't remeber the title right now. All his stuff is batshit insane though, but I only ever felt bad when reading Superconductive Brain Parataxis, fucking midgets.

>>9229051
What would happen if you ordered "Exterminatus" on the Death Star?

>>9229085
OP's picture is an ancient sith battlecrusier

you should study your history Captain, it will do you well

Also, Thrawn is like the Rommel of Star Wars

>>9228984

I never really liked the falcon, mainly becuase of where the cockpit was positioned, and that it's not symettrical

>>9229106
Touhou Homebrew Guy is a raging faggot just ignore him.

>>9229123

It'd better have shields up or it would be torn apart by cyclonic torps, exactly like the Necron World Engine.

>>9229046
I disagree with that statement. The Eldar yes but the necrons no. They are slumbering and waiting until they can rape all natural life again. They would be the biggest threat apart from the tyranids if they all awoke at the same time. Plus the necron ships dont need shielding. They are living metal and FUCKING HUGE!!!! About 100 times bigger than the largest ships of the imperium. Some of the tomb worlds are just giant ships which because of gravity attracted enough material to become planets in their own right.

I like ships that are big, the bigger the better, so long as they are not unique/special. Mass produced is good.

For instance, in David Weber's Heir's of Empire trilogy (which is remarkably void of his usual bullshit), they empire's standard warships are called 'planetoids' and are slightly smaller than the moon. The put a couple klicks of rock and dirt on themselves to camouflage themselves. As moons. Those were pretty awesome.

On the other hand, if you blow all your resources on some godawful Terror engine (I'm looking at you, Palpatine), it's not so cool. I like it when not only are they huge and badass, but when there's more of them, either in a huge fleet to begin with, (The Empire Strikes Back has some bitchin' Imperial Fleet scenes), or when, even if you somehow destroy this one, five more will be knocking at your door tomorrow, asking if you know what happened to their friend.


Further, very few things I've ever heard or seen are as satisfying as "All batteries; Open fire."

>>9229107
Uh, a single star destroyer or two can exterminatus a planet
A super star destroyer can turn the crust to magma and boil the oceans away
the Death star can blow up a planet with it's space-deagle laser
(I once saw the energy calculations for this, it's messed up)
Star Wars is so grossly overpowered it's not even funny

Look. Scale. Well, some.

>>9229131
Trying to figure out why people think Star Wars ships don't have shields.

They have two different types of shields. Star Trek has to magic their shield up against different enemies.

Star Trek is as much of a concern to Star Wars as Star Wars is to WH40k.

IE: It isn't.

>>9229107
Exterminatus, yes. But exterminatus isn't that impressive, it's basically shooting a viral weapon, letting it simmer for a while to digest all the biological matter, and then firing a incidentiary to burn the planet's atmosphere. Only one ship post-Fall (because pre-fall eldar were crazy, just like Old Ones) can actually DESTROY planets, and that's the imaginatively-named Planet Killer of Abaddon. When you read into it, imperial weapons aren't really that impresive compared to,say, gridfire from Culture :3

>>9229126
The pic I was referring to is posted here: >>9229102

And I am OP. :P

>>9229099
As silly as it is, I like the idea of dogfights rather than encounters resembling naval battles.

>>9229114
Alright. As long as it's the "what the hell, Japan" sort of funny rather than the "LOL SO RANDOM" sort, as fine as the line between those two is.

>>9229131
star wars lasers generate have more energy per beam than star trek phasers
one laser =/= another
also shields
also lasers actually exist and are not SCIENCE!
that is all

>>9229148

World Engine only appears in Matt Ward codexes, if you ignore the bullshit that is 5th edition, the 40k ships don't get over ten miles in length.

>>9229166
>>9229172
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Exterminatus

Killing all life is the purpose of exterminatus. It is not the extent of the destruction.

>they empire's standard warships are called 'planetoids' and are slightly smaller than the moon.

Dahak was the size of our moon(well, it was THE moon for all of our history). Later Imperial Planetoids that they found on Birhat are bigger (I think i recall 1/3 as big) than Dahak, and I'm not sure if they didn't improve on those too in Heirs.

>>9229172
Well, The Culture is generally accepted to be the one universe that could consistently take on 40k.

Otherwise, there's still a lot to be said for sheer size and amount.

>>9229170
Oh wow, that helps.

>>9229201
And wait, seriously? Never knew that.

Well, this puts a new spin on things.

>>9229188
>>As silly as it is, I like the idea of dogfights rather than encounters resembling naval battles.

Well that's essentially what orbital warfare is. There have been engagements of killer craft in orbit already, and they function more like a pair of high altitude interceptor aircraft engaging at really really high altitude than they are like a couple of gunboats or battleships slugging it out.

Spacewarfare is a natural extension of aerial combat.

Does Galaxy Man count?

He can summon black holes

>>9229240
If you accept the "science" of inertial compensators, combat in a vacuum is very different from combat in an atmosphere.

Note the derogatory quotation marks around "science."

>>9229240
Er...as far as I know we only proved that it's possible to shoot down satellites from within atmosphere with missiles, we don't actually have trans-atmo vessels (hurdurr shittle). Also you're talking about orbital, which is still tied to earth in it's extent *you can hide behind the planet's curve or just dive to the atmospheric level to avoid combat*, which is, as far as we can stipulate, widely different to two deep-space vessels fighting, as they will be, if any meaningful accels and weapons are to be taken into account, limited in their manouvering and more reliant on armor and counter-measures to survive than any plane.

>>9229236

Another Ward blurb was M'kar the Reborn's planetbusting Daemonship.

This is my big gripe about SOTS. The Destroyer class was tiny.

>>9229236

Well, it's more than that. The Culture is generally so horrifically overpowered that they'll knock over just about anything else and not even have to hurt anyone.

>>9229302
destroyers aren't the biggest of ships in general, despite cool name.

>>9229076
Well the Omega in the picture is about the same size as Star Wars Imperial Star Destroyer, the Babylon 5 station itself is about 2,5 kms long

>>9229309
Post-scarcity society run by incorruptible AIs?

Somehow, it makes sense that the Culture would conquer the Imperium of Mankind in the GRIMDARK future.

how about a ship that breaks off into smaller ships, so when need be it can form into a super-giant ship or just a fleet of normal sized ships

>>9229240

Lol wut? The Russians tested their orbital fighter thingy (that is, a small space station with a 23mm cannon as spinal mount) but that's about it. Oh, and there was that ASAT missile that launched from an F-15, but the Eagle was decidedly atmospheric and just flew a profile that let it work as a first stage. Current ASAT is stuff like a modded SM2 carrying a kinetic kill vehicle to orbital altitude.

>>9229236
I'd expect Star Trek could give 40k a run for its money. Sheer size be damned, photon torps have warp drive and antimatter warheads, and impulse drive goes 0-0.99c in no more than a couple minutes. Run out beyond effective range of lances, and nuke your target to atoms.

>>9229363
Sorry, Japan won't win this fight, either.

>>9229317
Oh wow, Red Dwarf IS huge.

>>9229357
It'd be fun to see them try and turn over the whole THE EMPEROR PROTECTS HERESY HERESY HERESY mindset, and especially how they'd deal with the existence of the warp.

>>9229296
>>Er...as far as I know we only proved that it's possible to shoot down satellites from within atmosphere with missiles, we don't actually have trans-atmo vessels (hurdurr shittle). Also you're talking about orbital, which is still tied to earth in it's extent *you can hide behind the planet's curve or just dive to the atmospheric level to avoid combat*, which is, as far as we can stipulate, widely different to two deep-space vessels fighting, as they will be, if any meaningful accels and weapons are to be taken into account, limited in their manouvering and more reliant on armor and counter-measures to survive than any plane.

You think the SR-71 maneuvers, hides behind bellcurves or dives to avoid enemy engagements? It hurtles like a thrown bolt through the heavens, hoping above all hopes that it's not passing close enough for enemy interceptors to catch it. And they don't dance and maneuver about either, they just hit the gas and hurtle as fast/far as possible to engage the target.

Earth orbit is different from Earth-Lunar orbit and Earth-Mars orbit in that you can see each other coming from a lot further away.

>>9229379
Star Trek could throw their entire armory at 40k. 40k could allow them to do as much damage as they possibly could. For a hundred years.

40k would still win. It's just too big.

>>9229357

There is some stuff about how AI are automatically corrupted by Chaos, but I really don't think that would work on Minds. "Close to gods, and on the far side."

I like stuff like the Macross, Gigantic, Selfsufficient, Usually have a "town" with services in it, And carry a number of small fighters for self defense.

More like a moving colony then a actual ship.

>>9229317
Their lengths are stated in the pic.

Sup, baryonics.

>>9229395
40k can't replace losses like Star Trek can. I wouldn't call it a sure thing for either side.

>>9229457
It can't replace losses as quickly, but it has the advantage of having more than a couple of ships.

>>9229418
Didn't mean that size chart. I just forgot to put pic the on post. and I got the B5 size wrong.

>>9228209
JUST FYI
EVE ONLINE HAS THE BIGGEST AND COOLES SPACESHIPS OF ALL TIME
OF ALL TIME
FUCK THE GAY IMPERIUM WITH THEIR FAGGOT ARMY

>>9229457
If you cut the Imperium's military in half, Star Trek's combined military power would still be a fractional drop in the bucket.

>>9229496
Fanboyism is so unpleasant.

>>9229302
If you're comparing destroyers to Star Destroyers, the latter got their name because of their ability to singlehandedly take out the defenses of a star system, not because it was actually a destroyer.

40k Space Battles = 17th Century Naval Warfare, right down to broadsides, boarding actions and the time between resupply.

Star Wars Battles = Classic Vanilla Sci-Fi.

Mixing the two together; Space Marine Kill Teams launching boarding actions on Star Destroyers whilst they get mauled by massive broadsides from the Battlefleet.

>>9229468
Have I missed something somewhere? The fluff in RT was saying that 40k capital ships can take CENTURIES to build. A Federation Constellation-class cruiser could probably kill an IoM Lunar-class cruiser in less than fifteen minutes, all while being out of range of retaliation. The main hassle would be running out of torpedoes.

I prefer either small starfighter scale, or full-size flagship capital ship scale.

"Don't believe the church and state, or everything they tell you. Believe in me, I'm with the High Command..."

>>9229525
HAHA. OH WOW.

No. A Lunar Class can pulverize any Federation ship without even noticing it. Imperium are built ungodly tough and are bristling with firepower.

Personally, I like the Flying Space Cathedrals. If you're gonna travel, might as well do it in a way that scream "I'm so powerful, I can afford to build my ships to glorify my species and still kick you ass 12 ways to the next century."