Prepare to be deluged with people saging the thread because of a conservative propaganda picture.

>>9044325
OP is too wordy for them to assume it's a troll.

Also, everyone agrees that Commubama is awesome, and I'm fairly certain that is neither conservative, nor propaganda.

>>9044325

How? That picture is fucking awesome. Truly, he is a glorious leader even though he's wearing both Soviet and Czarist iconography.

>>9044340
Amazingly, there exist people who don't think communism is awesome.

I mean, I can understand not wanting YOUR country to be governed by it, but to think it isn't a cool aesthetic? Something just seems wrong about that.

>>9044363
Soviet aesthetic is best aesthetic, even if their government was a steaming pile of shit.

For everyone who missed the last thread, enjoy the Soviet National Anthem, it is made of win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFM7JYyC1Ck

>>9044348
Hey, now that you mention it, I can see it now too.

Maybe we should work a footnote in saying that the Soviet's history is a little bit altered so they kept some of their Czarist images and traditions.

What's happening on the original Eastern Front, by the way?

I can picture that both sides massively fortified the living shit out of it during the long years of ceasefire, so you've got a scaled-up trench warfare situation.
Or nobody's dumb enough to attack the other's HUEG BUNKER COMPLEXES, nothing's happening except the occasional skirmish, and all the real action is taking place at the American front?

>>9044394
The latter sounds better realistically, but the former is more awesome.

Shall we default to rule of cool?

>>9044394
There isn't really an "American Front" due to the Constitutionalists' territory being wedged in between the Soviet and Nazi territories in the Americas.

>>9044394
>Implying the rest of the world exists or matters

>>9044394

I would imagine that it's almost absurdly peaceful. Both sides tacitly agreed to fight proxy wars to establish dominance elsewhere rather than fight in their own back-yards. Sort of like the Cold War only more militarized with more flare-ups. America is Germany's Vietnam.

>>9044431
Don't get green on me this early in the thread.

>>9044444
Zombie Redneck Vietcong.

Oh dear god.

>>9044466

Pretty much, although I like to imagine that most of the rednecks wouldn't ascend to the higher ranks of the organization, given that it rewards intellectual abilities as well as fanaticism.

>>9044466
I'd play that.

>>9044444
I dunno, I like the trench warfare idea better. Huge, fortified trenches running along the entire border, and neither side is willing to go over the top. Everyone just lobs artillery at each other, occasionally firing sniper shots at a soldier dumb enough to stick his head up.

explain to me how that either germany or russia could have a fleet big enough to conduct a cross ocean invasion WITH enough supplies and support to establish a secure foot hold on american soil? at the time of WWII both navies combined could not match americas navy alone. Neither side had any transport capacity to speak of not did they have the supply and support system to extend acros that huge ocean that borders each side of america

so explan to me how this happened again?

>>9044525
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra

>>9044501

That works too, although I think we're in agreement that there wouldn't actually be a whole lot of fighting. They both have to maintain the fortified lines to prevent the other side from breaking through, but at the same time they have to deal with all the other areas of the world and can't sink too many resources into the Eastern Front. Also, we never really discussed the Soviet leader. I propose a mindmeld of Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky in a robot body. You know, just because.

>>9044525
>The heart of the nation is controlled by the Constitutionalists, a group of insane necromancers who worship the greatest leaders America has ever known as gods. Also, George Washington is like Cthulhu on steroids.
Soviets use powered armor, nuclear-powered supertanks, and diesel-spewing mechs. Nazis use magic, with an emphasis on demonology. Captured demons power most Nazi technology.

>But how'd they defeat the navy?

>>9044525

In this reality, Japan never attacked Pearl Harbor and the isolationists won, leaving America largely demilitarized. Furthermore, the Soviet-Nazi nonagression pact lasted longer then it did in real life, allowing Hitler to focus on the Western front and the subjugation of Europe and Stalin to build up his infrastructure even further.

>>9044557
That sounds too high-tech for the Soviets. They have cool technology, but it's all decidedly rusty and rugged stuff. The Australians would be more likely to have something like a gestalt-robot leader.

>>9044525

1. Stalin-Hitler pact lasted a long time. Seeing how 80-90% (citation neeeded) of German forces were deployed on the Eastern front, that gives a lot of spare resources to fuck around with.
2. Operation Sea Lion suceeded, Britain and at least parts of their fleet under Nazi command.
3. Large parts of the American fleet were, well, outdated.
4. DEM JAPS, MAN, DEM JAPS.

We can also propose
5. Roosevelt wasn't elected, America remained isolationist and didn't start mobilization and military buildup until it was too late.

>>9044630
Actually, I support gestalt Lenin-Stalin-Trotsky.
Originally I wanted to give them an android with Stalin's brain in it, but that is a better idea.
As long as it has Stalin's mustache.

>>9044683
What about clones, or AI simulations?

>>9044683
>Lenin-Stalin-Trotsky

So, a leader who constantly tries to kill himself?
I can't even imagine how they would make decisions, seeing how Trotsky was very much the Anti-Stalin.

Sooo, what's China doing?

Cause I really want some 3 Kingdoms to join in on the Clusterfuck, maybe jumping in up from Canada to aid the Constitutionalist Necromancers.

>>9044709
Simple. Lenin is their tiebreaker.

>>9044709
It's a gestalt entity. All three minds have been merged into one.

You have Lenin's leadership, Stalin's insane genocidal paranoia, and Trotsky's uhh... What exactly did Trotsky do? He kind of gets relegated to the background in Russian history. His kindness?

>>9044719
China is an ally of the USSR.

They got dragons and shit, and don't afraid of anything.

>>9044709

Don't you see, Comrade? It's the very essence of Communism, for our glorious leaders to subsume their individual identities and join as one to better guide our nation!

>>9044732
Trotsky's Sanity, if you want to be blunt.

>>9044732 here,
disregard that, Aztec had a better idea.

Lenin is the tiebreaker.
Woo for Lenin!

>>9044719
Currently we have China as a fiercely-loyal, but mostly autonomous part of the Soviet Union. They field dragons in combat.

>>9044752
Actually if you ask me, Dragons wouldn't be that effective unless they aided in spellcasting. Sure they're semidivine creatures of myth and legend, but they respond the same to bullets as everything else.

Mostly, China is there to provide the Soviets with even more manpower than they had in the first place.

>>9044735
..I want the Americans to have some allies in this though, in an odd twist, Japan?

Complete with Tokusatsu styled Shock troops?

>>9044732

Trotsky was the sane one. To explain it simply: He was a Marxist who believed that Communism should be democratic, instead of being a kafkaesque bureaucratic nightmare. He was one of the major figures early on, second only to Lenin himself, lost the struggle for power against Stalin, and was eventually assassinated by Soviet agents. He was a pretty awesome guy.

>>9044752
Three way battle between Soviet-Chinese Dragons of legend, Nazi-summoned demons of eldritch horros, and grotesque amalgams of man and animal bodies reanimated by American insurgents? Do want.

>>9044786
America does not need allies.

The whole point behind them is that they're insane, genocidal underdogs. All they want is to rebuild their nation.
Well, rebuild what they remember of their nation, which isn't very much that was actually there.

Who would ally themselves with a group dedicated to resurrecting genocidal cosmic horrors that would have made Lovecraft shit his pants?

>>9044786

The Constitutionalists, while they themselves might be amenable to allying themselves with certain foreign powers, would likely turn off pretty much every potential ally by virtue of being horrible ghouls from the past.

I can't be assed to read the other two threads, but what is the situation with other countries like Japan (and Australia, India, ect)?

>>9044809
A group every bit as fucking cuckoo.

And it's harder to get crazier than Banzai Suicidal Kamen Riders.

Well getting off that, what are MacArthur and Patton doing in this fight? Commanding like usual just with..dead bodies instead of soldiers or something a lot crazier?

>>9044788
I'd like to incorporate that into our alt-Soviet society. You have the Stalinites who want a centralized, authoritarian power structure and the Trotskyites who want a more democratic society, constantly working against one another and trying to engineer events in their favor.

>>9044874
I imagine that if they still exist, they'd be Senators.

>>9044864
India was conquered by the Soviets but is full of angry rebels who want to free themselves.

Australia was forced to move to Antarctica, where they've built an advanced-but-limited technocracy that might be able to rival the Soviets, if it wasn't for the fact that the most conservative estimates put them at a population of about 25,000.

Japan is a relatively neutral nation that doesn't take sides because both the Soviets and the Nazis would sink them (literally) if they did. We can't seem to agree on whether or not they get giant robots.

What I gathered from the old threads as a summary

Constitutionalists: What’s left of America turned to worshipping their long lost founding fathers. This turned into a quest for necromancy and raising them. Eventually (depending on GM) they succeed, culminating in the Founding Lords. These undead beings are rarely seen and lead their hordes from the shadows. The constitutionalists believe that death makes everyone equal but, not being able to convince people to kill themselves, they are resurrected as (usually) still intelligent undead. Opposing soldiers are used for the mindless work force/ unstoppable waves of undead. Endgame is total world undead infection (ie. now everyone is equal) OR creation of “The Hickory Death” a blending of Andrew Jackson and cthulhu. Players can be living servants infiltrating the other powers, or high level necromancers depending on what you want to play.

>>9044932

Nazis: After the long protracted war with Europe and not wanting to anger the sleeping bear Germany invades America from the east coast, initially gaining massive ground. Their research into daemonology (or other magic w/e you want) made them able to squash the unprepared American forces. However this invasion did awake Mother Russia. She invades from Alaska (my own thing, seems more plausible than across the sea, no?). The two are locked in an unwinnable war for the North America continent and all she holds. If you call into question the whole “But Germany is pretty close to Russia back in Europe” I call massive build-up means no one wants to even open that can of worms. Effectively cannons bristle on both sides and any assault from that angle would kill the aggressor. German life is pretty good for the average citizen. German tech is augmented by magic almost all the time. Being a mage in Germany is like being of the upper class, there are lots of them but it’s not so common place as to be ridiculous. Endgame is... largely undefined but my idea is basically kill Moscow, or tip the balance in their favour by taking North America. Players can be sorcerers, soldiers, spies... you name it.

Only remaining American military force should be the USMC, but that doesn't go without a cost. All of the marines should be amalgams of course, the undead, stolen Soviet equipment, and influence from demonic Nazi horrors that they've been fighting against for so long.

>>9044947

Russians: Awakened into acting by Germany’s invasion of North America. Largely ignoring the eldritch abomination that is magic Russians instead esteem the art of industrial technology. Heavily armed and armoured troops and weapons move slowly but unstoppably across the battlefield. While they have a penchant for the big weapons they still support espionage and information warfare as well. Russia gained China’s support early in the war with Germany and has gained its magic and resources in order to supplement its own industrial might. While the old Russia’s oppression under Stalin was horrific to say the least the communist regime, with the aid of China’s workforce no longer needs to keep the bootheels on their citizens as much. Their invasion through Alaska has been bogged down by German resistance and daemons. Endgame: kicking Gemany out of North America. Players can be soldiers, spies, tank crews etc

>>9044914

I think we should just let 'em have their giant robots. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but that hasn't stopped us yet! Alternatively, since they were never milararistically neutered, they might be more focused on the past and would have creatures from Japanese legend. Or ROBOTIC creatures from Japanese legend.

>>9044963

Britain: still under debate but the position appears to stay with the roving country-less [insert leader here] attempting to resurrect “the Bulldog” a spirit who will be able to crush the opponents of great BRITONNIA! Idea is largely based around the queen on a ridiculously awesome airship, but floating British isles has been proposed as well. Endgame is resurrection of the bulldog. Players can be stormtroopers aboard the airship, or contractors working for the queen to find some eldritch goodies to help in her quest.

>>9044977

Australia: After retreating from their homeland due to Rusky invasion they have gone to Antarctica. In order to keep themselves from being wiped out they have advanced their tech to ridiculous heights. The “Curtis Curtain” keeps the other powers from even knowing they still exist, an energy barrier that shields them and keeps their cities and infrastructure invisible. They are attempting to get to the moon in order to gain resources and be able to fuck people up from orbit (thats the endgame). Not very suitable for players; unless they’re raiders grabbing metal or other resources. If they are then they will be extremely well equipped, but have no hope for support.
Middle east is resource warfare and eldritch artefact land. South America is disputed but not heavily, essentially a “bottled war” so Germany and Russia can test their new toys on each other. Africa is split between Russia and Germany (mostly Germany since they have less of the world atm). India is under full uncontrollable revolt.

>>9044900
Senator as in politician or as in some kind of high powered Commanding Officer Lich?

..I'd really like Patton to be the latter. We need somebody at least as intimidating as Inquisitor Obama on the Constitutionalist side.

>>9044992

Senator, in the new Constitutionalist jargon, refers to super-powered Commanding Officer Lich. First among equals and all that.

>>9044966
I am in favor of the Japanese mixing smaller mechs with Japanese mythology.

Kappas rising out of lakes to violently sodomize distracted invaders? Fucking awesome.

>>9044977
British should have a pact with the fair folk.

DAMN YOU /TG/ I HAVE A LAB EXAM TODAY.

>>9045024
Only if we can toss out the steampunk airship idea.

>>9044864
South America has deteriorated into a massive "war in a can" that both sides pour resources into. The entire continent is a massive burning hellhole of jungle and environmental catastrophe.

In the north, Brazil leads the "People's Alliance" against the Argentinian "United Front". Both sides receive enormous hardware and equipment subsidies from the Axis and the Soviet Union (respectively) and both factions are intent to win control of the southern hemisphere with their proxies. Truly, the war will be fought to the last south american.

Every time one side escalates equipment shipments and material investment, the other side matches it. 25% of the male population has been killed, another 15% injured. This state of affairs has continued for nearly a decade, and both alliances are literally fraying apart.

Meanwhile, the great states watch and are wary.

There are some good ideas here, but many ideas especially about the division of the world and the course of war seem a bit random.

>>9045083

It mostly started out with fluffing zombie Americana but its turned into true worldbuilding now. We haven't got much done in the last 2 threads though

>>9045052
Yeah, I'm gonna second this.

While I'm a sucker for fae, Fairies+Airship just seems like overkill.

>>9045052
Steampunk airship goes to Japan who no one knows what to do with, Britain get fair folk.

They can have steampunk giant robots too.

>>9045083
To be honest, most of my ideas about the division of the world rely heavily on the Rule of Cool.

I just want to see Chinese dragons fighting alongside Soviet nuclear supertanks, and the idea that China (a Communist nation) would join the Union as a mostly-autonomous member state isn't TOO farfetched, at least not when you consider the rest of this setting.

>>9045083
True, however the south american situation (at least in my view) had at least some merit.

Hell, Peron was in Mussolini's blackshirts.

>>9045113
Japan confirmed for steampunk nation.

>>9045098
A lot of it has been spent explaining things to newcomers, it should pick up soon.

I wish to pursue the South American situation, it seems like the most logical conflict point.

>>9045144
I think we decided that South America was basically going to be a giant ground for a proxy war.

>>9045158
Yeah, I think that's what he's talking about.

>>9045158
Precisely, it's the point where people are most likely to come into conflict.

>>9045144

I envision a campaign where the PCs are groups from both sides, they are in the process of shooting each others asses off and then suddenly over the hill THE CONSTITUTIONALISTS HAVE BROKEN MEXICAN LINE! RUN WORK TOGETHER OR BE CONSUMED.

I just really want to have the zombie americana thing played out, otherwise all you have is classic magic nazis v steampunk russians

>>9045187
>steampunk russians

Goddamn, make up your mind on who's going to be steampunked out.

>>9045187
Steampunk?

Nah, Dieselpunk MAYBE. More likely it's fairly realistic, just rugged and not very shiny.

>>9045208
>>9045213

You get the idea though. IMO the thing that seperates this from any other russian v german setting is the zombie americana

>>9045187
The reason we're trying to do so much work on the entirety of the planet is so that we can set a campaign anywhere, with the players playing Soviets or Nazis. Constitutionalists should also be playable, and other nations could become playable as well if they get fleshed out enough.

>>9045187

I honestly think that the Constitutionalists are the most creative thing to come out of this, and I think that I'd like to explore that aspect more. Or at least come up with something that isn't trite and overdone for the other nations so they get to be as awesome.

>>9045120
yeah SA is okay but the ideas about China and Japan seem a bit ahistorical

>>9045213
>realistic
Nuclear-powered supertanks confirmed for realistic.
Russia isn't supposed to be realistic, just practical.

>>9045244
Things are often "Overdone" because they work well.

It's a LOT easier to make PC's for the soviets or nazis than it is the constitutionalists.

At least I think it'd be.

>>9045263
>>9045260

I just want them to be prominent, ya? no need for them to be playable is they're always present

>>9045254
I sort of agree with this. The chinese dragons always felt out of place to me. They should have more practical Tao magic, or something along that line.

Imperial japan is largely out of the picture, but it's hard to get more rule-of-cool than giant mecha and Kamen-Rider kamikaze.

>>9045283

At any rate pleas archive this if we get anything done with it. I have to go to an exam. You guys ruined my pre-exam cram session, but I studied earlier this week so wish me luck

>>9045263
It would be.

Soviets would be more about tactical combat, while Constitutionalists are more about achieving world-ending powers and manipulating people from the shadows.

No one's invading Japan cause well since the war started, Japan's kind of gone a little fucking crazy. There's no real government or law outside of "Do as thou wilt and pray you don't get caught doing it."
It's kind of like this, if you don't have a Giant Robot it's because your a broke fucker and destined for the Soylent Green factories or because some little shit stole yours. Technology is also quite a bit more advanced than Soviet Tech, but also a lot of it is pretty impractical (unless a machine that can mechanically rape all the women in your family can be considered useful). People who cause too much trouble or just piss off the wrong people get strapped into planes and sent over the pacific, usually landing in Russian territory and are conscripted or killed by the local authorities.

>>9045304
Last three threads are all in archive, why wouldn't this one be?

Just be sure you're using suptg and not 4chanarchive.

>>9045311
>steampunk Japan idea comes to fruition
The only thing we are missing now is an explanation for the collapse of the Imperial government.

>>9045263

Nah. They can be living agents spying on foreign nations, or diplomats soliciting for help. Remember, they're just all about American freedom and democracy. The American Dream! Mom and baseball and apple pie! Repel the British Invaders! Damn the Reds! A bit confused, and certainly undead abominations, but they don't see themselves as such. To them, it's a step towards realizing the true American Dream, so they'll likely be sending diplomats to all unaligned countries to help them in their struggle for freedom, much like during the revolutionary war. Of course, they'll probably be rebuffed, but I see a Constitutionalist campaign as heavy on the intrigue and politicking, at least if you're playing living agents. If you're playing as necromancers, though, it becomes a whole 'nother game.

>>9045260
don't you dare posting red alert 3 shit
red alert 2 concept art highly superior

>>9045385
Necromancer campaign is more about manipulating people from the shadows, while quietly raising an undead army.
I suppose you could also build a political campaign out of it with enough work.

>>9045419
It's kind of hard to negotiate when the other side knows you serve insane liches.

>>9045399
Well, the Twin-blade chopper looked pretty cool, even then, it was just a streamlined Hind with two chopper blades. I just fucking hated the whole insect-like feel they gave the Soviets.

>>9045365
>>9045311

I disagree. I think that the Imperial government should be in full force, with the militarists having taken complete control of the party and relegating the Emperor to a divine figure-head. They're constantly smouldering and being unable to conquer "their" rightful territory due to Soviet occupation, and are constantly plotting against everyone. The only reason they haven't been wiped out is because it would be too much of a nightmare trying a full-scale invasion of Japan, and both the Soviets and Nazis are too busy dealing with one another. In the meantime, they continue building crazier and crazier war-machines and plotting to expand the glorious Empire of Japan, but can do nothing. So you get all sorts of military tech like mechas in the shape of Oni Demons or kappa-submarines.

>>9045440
That's the idea.

You have to convince people who are horrified at the very thought of you to join you in your glorious crusade to refulfill America's Manifest Destiny, reclaiming all the land that was once part of the United States of America.

>>9045365
The fact that it was made up of maniacs who thought they were living in a samurai novel probably sped things along.

>>9045459
Then who do we use for our steampunk nation?

Britain's airship was pretty faggy and Australia is more cyberpunk.

>>9045489

I don't think we actually NEED a steampunk nation. Don't get me wrong, I like the aesthetic, it's just that I don't believe it necessary for this particular setting.

>>9045501
Second.

A cyberpunk nation might be kind of cool though. Would Australia qualify? Maybe certain Soviet cities?

>>9045501
Steampunk is ALWAYS necessary.

>>9045525
Umm..

No, it isn't.

>>9045522
Australia's pretty cyberpunk, and the Soviet capital (still Moscow, I presume) should be pretty close, as well.

>>9045522
I dunno, Japan would make a lot of sense for one, it's already got Giant Robots, Kamikaze Riders and rape machines.

>>9045525
Congratulations, you're that guy.

>>9045522
I'm slightly leery of the idea of making the smaller nations into such contained systems, really.

>>9044788


HAHAHA OH U

lrn2history. Trotsky was for work camps, before Stalin made it cool. He was a hardcore Marxist who wanted slave labor, communal women, etc.

Trotsky was an idealist, but a somewhat competent commander.

>>9045566
There's 25,000 Australians left. They could fit in a stadium easily.

Assuming their culture is monolithic isn't really a stretch.

>>9045577
[citation needed]

>>9045525
Imagining a clusterfuck of steam-powered tanks trying to dent a monstrous Soviet super-tank. The Soviet tank commander is on the main turret with a disinterested look on his face.

>>9045619
He yawns and gives a vague order to fire the defensive machine guns, which completely accidentally shear the turrets off the steamtanks.

Heh.

>>9044557

Lenin in a glass coffin located at the center of a Dreadnought-like mech, but larger in size and made of bricks and steaming pipework, possibly with some minarets and an abstract but overall bear-ish aesthetic.

I enjoy this on a first post level; the discussion is pretty bad.

Looking forward to next thread, or at least the first post

>>9045585
For the Australians, sure. For every other culture that has been discussed, though? Not really.

If I recall it actually does make some sense with Australia because they're hiding in Antarctica or something.

>>9045672
>Hi guys! I just wanted you to know that discussing things is stupid unless you all agree on the same thing right away! Who needs consensus when hiveminds work just as well?
>Anyway, I'm going to sage because I suck dick.
>Does anyone want to see my GaiaOnline account?

>>9045772
250 characters. Looks like successful troll is mildly successful.

>>9045809
>troll
oh fuck i feel stupid now

>>9045809
>LOL I TROLL U

>>9045837
Goddamn lolis. Always trolling people.

LET'S BACK ON TOPIC GUYS
DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO STOP BELIEVING THAT /tg/ GETS SHIT DONE?

anyway
We must come to an agreement on the leader of the Soviet Union.

I say it should be a robot, into which has been downloaded the minds of Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky. Only Lenin has 100% complete control of the body, but he can at any time allow one of the other two to control parts of it, or the entirety. Any time Trotsky and Stalin disagree on something, Lenin gets the tiebreaking decision, but Trotsky and Stalin can outvote him if they work together.

>>9045914
The communal mind sounds better. Give up individuality for Communism and all that. Lenin's leadership, Stalin's cunning paranoia, and Trotsky's sanity (note: this is fiction; I don't care whether or not IRL figures had these traits)

>>9045914
I'm fine with that.

>>9045998
I vote for this.

Looks like a tie.

Somebody break it.

>Somebody break it.
That's practically begging for samefaggotry, man.

>>9046241
Fine then.
Let's discuss something else, we'll go back to that later.

Do the Soviets still use the 1944 national anthem or have they moved on to something less badass?

>>9046258
They remastered it and have begun playing it with a bigger orchestra.

>>9046258

Why would you even say that? Of COURSE they retain their anthem!

>>9046283
Well I was just trying to change the subject.

Next question: Does Imperial Japan field mythical creatures or just robotic representations of aforementioned mythical creatures?

>>9046317
Nothing, because Japan does not fight. If they did, they'd lose, and die.

>>9046258

NOW THAT IS THE DUMBEST QUESTION SINCE THAT ONE HOOKER ASKED ME WHETHER I WANTED THE DONKEY TO WATCH

>>9046317

Personally, I prefer robotic representations. Or at least technological representations, like a tank done up to look like a Shinto shrine or some such.

>>9046355
A shrine is not a monster.
Someone mentioned kappa submarines. I like this idea, but I prefer actual kappas rising out of lakes (they ARE lake spirits, aren't they?) and violently sodomizing distracted Nazis.

>>9045998

I like this idea, myself.

>>9046390

How about Kappa ROBOTS rising out of lakes and violently sodomizing distracted Nazis?

>>9046390
>I like this idea, but I prefer actual kappas rising out of lakes (they ARE lake spirits, aren't they?) and violently sodomizing distracted Nazis.

Eh. The idea of every sub-culture having their local mythology actually be true is a little trite even for this.

>>9046421
How about Kappa ROBOT SUBMARINES rising out of lakes and violently sodomizing distracted Nazis?

>>9046464
Now you're thinking.

>>9046427

Well, thus far only America has their local mythology given form, and it's been twisted pretty far at that. I say mythology because most Americans, to some degree or another, revere on some level the founding fathers. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me all that much if there was already a cult worshiping Washington.

>>9046427
>>9046421
Robots it is, then.

>>9046317
I have no good ideas for Japan, to be honest.

>>9046472
Right, which is why I'm not too keen on the Japanese kappas or Chinese tao magic or British fey that keeps cropping up.

>>9046497
I think the departure here seems to be "Red Alert 2" versus "Red Alert 3".

It is an interesting argument, one I am pleased to be part of.

(less of an argument and more of a general agreement that Red Alert 3 sucks, but still)

>>9046485

Well, I think it has to encapsulate the Japanese militarism, ethnocentrism, and imperialism of the WWII era. Their technology was somewhat crude, but they were fanatically devoted to their cause and the code of bushido was resurrected and modified to ensure a sufficient level of loyalty. Anything evoking the glory of Nippon, at least in their eyes, would be a good idea. Maybe robotic representations of mythical creatures wouldn't be a good idea, but I think that we can work with that on some level. Maybe they cover all their equipment in leering faces to demoralize the enemy. Maybe they have a rotating eight-turreted tank, codename OROCHI.

>>9046530
>(less of an argument and more of a general agreement that Red Alert 3 sucks, but still)

I liked Red Alert 3, but at the same time I understand why it's kind of shitty compared to the other games in the series.

>>9046539
These are good ideas.
And I am still in favor of a robotic kappa that violently sodomizes their enemies.

>>9046485
Neither do the Japanese.

>>9046555
I also liked Red Alert 3.

I then installed my old copy of RA2 and, once I got past the outdated controls and graphics, I had a massive nerdgasm.

RA2 > RA3, but RA3 is not unplayable. Just nowhere near as good.

>>9046555
yeah, i liked Red Alert 3 too, but the acting was horrible, i mean, i know the game is suppose to be silly, but good lord, i always was thinking the character were going to explode in laugher at how stupid something was (they actually did in the extra content IIRC) and the game feel kinda generic, but it was bad just.....well, generic RTS with silly units

Anyway, I don't think that Japan would at all be a major player, and I'd like to go back to the Constitutionalists, specifically their internal power structure.

Maybe something like this, in ascending order of power:
Slave: These would be the reanimated, unintelligent corpses of Nazis and Soviets
Agent: Living worshiper of the Constitutionalists, this encapsulates all non-undead members
Citizens: Most Constitutionalists would fall here. Risen corpses with intelligence, they have full rights and can choose to move further up the power structure or simply remain citizens

Other than that, it splits directly into American ranks, with a separation between military and civil services. It would be identical to the structure laid out in the Constitution, pretty much. However, as you ascend up the civil government you also ascend in the ranks of the cult, making it a weird mixture of Democratic Republic, Theocracy, and Necrocracy. The Founding Lords always remain at the top.

>>9046687
Sounds about right.

>>9046687
I agree with this post.

Although we weren't considering Japan as a major player; I think we're all in agreement that, for one reason or another, Japan is neutral. But independent nations should get a bit more characterization.

>>9046687

However, in order to ascend the ranks you have to display some necromantic aptitude, in addition to the respect of your fellow citizens. Remember, not every Citizen is a necromancer, although many are, given that they no longer have any need for sustenance and thus no farmers, and are on constant war-footing against two super-factions who want them dead. Well, deader.

>>9045288
Tibet and Nepal man, Tibetan death monks and the great dragons.

>>9046790
For some reason I find the concept of an invader marching infantry up those fucking stairwells to be HILARIOUS.

>>9046764

Well, I think that the characterization of the major factions, specifically Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany, should come first. We haven't really done a whole lot of neat stuff with them, and I want to make them a bit different then the standard. I think it's why we've been focusing on America; it's the most interesting idea to come out of it. Heck, I'd be willing to ditch the rest of the world and just campaign in North America and the three factions competing there.

>>9046867
do it like shadowrun does it vague as hell and overpowered but undermanned for the isolated foreign powers for this
>>9046790

>>9046867
Yeah, I see your point.
Alright guys, it's now time to fuck around with Russia. We'll go with Russia first because there will be less whining about making them "not evil enough."

I think the Russians should have nukes; they're part of the reason the middle of the US sucks so much, because they invented nukes to compete with the Nazis' world-ending magic. Of course, they were only using tacnukes, but it still fucked the land up pretty bad, and most living agents of the Constitutionalists die of cancer (or, in a few locations, straight-up radiation exposure) if they don't manage to get promoted to Citizen.

>>9046935

The central part of the United States was no-mans land for a long while, with both parties mounting occasional air raids on the other side, but it ended in a stalemate and both the Nazis and the Soviets fortified the coasts. Soviets control territory to Utah, and the Nazis to maybe Ohio, but everything in-between is no-mans land, with blasted craters, living cities trying feebly to survive, rag-tag groups of survivors making mad dashes to either side for safety from the predations of bandits, enemy soldiers, or radiation poisoning. Then, a Representative appears, speaking of a new life, of new hope, of America reborn. They speak of Manifest Destiny, of the Founding Fathers, of your own slice of Americana. It's not surprising to see that the Constitutionalists, based out of Army bunkers throughout the midwest, would so easily win converts.

>>9047042

Dude. This is like zombie apocalypse Mad Max, only the zombies sing the Declaration of Independence or some shit.

so what about the Mormons then? i kinda see how they would have this massive hard on for kick gentile ass like they have since they got started. and after the shit hit the fan its kinda gone dogs in the vineyard meets mad max.

>>9047154

I think that I'm going to conveniently ignore the Mormons.

Listen guys.
Japan was a crapfest in WW2. They lost the war the minute they started it. You wanna know why?
Its the same reason Hitler invaded Russia.

They didnt have any fucking resources.
They needed all those american and dutch territories because they had no oil. You know what they did? They created a way to make oil out of trees, because they couldnt get it any other way.

Hitler had the same problem. He tried to go through the middle east and through Russia to get to the oil fields in the caucasians.

Now, in this case, because the Nazis are wizards now, oil doesn't really matter. For Japan though, it should be a 19th century hellhole.

However a point I would like to make is that the citizens arent doing well; the way the Nazis worked was they promised shit to get votes and then demoted everyone who wasnt a nazi to peasant status - then purged a great many nazis anyways. Initially, they allowed foreigners to visit and their citizens to leave, because the amount of patriotism was staggering - the nazis knew that everyone would see a good, efficient, powerful country. That changed of course.

So, now, powerful propoganda, magic public surveillance, sort of like V for Vendetta + 1984 + magic.

>>9047188
I thought we already agreed that living in Nazi Europe isn't that bad. As long as you're Aryan you can get a good job, and anyone with magical aptitude can go to the Akademie in Berlin to become a mage.

Non-Aryans, however, are kept around only so they can work shit jobs that are far below the Master Race.

>>9047188

I like this idea better than what we'd previously established. It seems to work really well.

>>9047303
The idea that life is not bad (if you're aryan) isn't a bad one. It feels like it needs something, though. Maybe just that those with magical aptitude and Akademie training are treated as much higher-class citizens to the point that they can essentially do whatever they want.

Alright, so I kinda got this idea to actually do some writefaggotry about how I see Britain in this setting the last time I saw one of these threads, but I never got round to it. Seeing this thread has encouraged me to get it done. It's probably a bit rubbish.

>>9048262

"CARRICK, ADRIAN. PLEASE REPORT TO YOUR NEAREST SECURITY STATION IMMEDIATELY"

It took a moment for the words to register and for Carrick to look up from his work, but, as he did, fear washed over him. What did Security want with him? He hadn't been fratenising with any "Treasonous Elements", at least not as far as he knew. Whatever it was, it couldn't be good; getting summoned by Security was never good. He turned, shrugging at the inquisitive looks of his fellow vat-workers, and attempted to walk nonchalantly towards the exit, ducking beneath pipes carrying the almost unidentifiable sludge that passed for food these days.

As Carrick passed the Observation platform, Supervisor Brown appeared to consider a snide remark, but instead satisfied himself with what could only be loosely termed a smile. It was the smile of a man who had long forgotten how. 'Maybe I'll incriminate Brown,' Carrick thought. The old bastard had made life hard enough for him. If Security were going to make him confess to being a traitor, he may as well bring Brown down too. The thought made him smile nervously. Maybe Security hadn't chosen him to make up their Traitor quotas. Maybe it was just a mistake, or maybe they wanted him as a witness. Carrick turned the wheel, unlocking the hatch and clambered out into the hallway. The throbbing hum of the engines was louder out here, and the constant leaks made the corridors damp and unpleasant. Say what you will about Vat-Work, but at least the areas around the Vats were at least a bit cleaner and quieter, and the strict requirements of the process meant that they had to be kept as dry as possible. Regulations made sure of that.

The hallways were nearly empty now. It was the middle of the work-shift, and most people would be busy at their stations. As he rounded the corner and saw the glass-walled Security Station and its complement of armed guards, Carrick's anxiousness grew.

"Er... Adrian Carrick sirs, reporting."

>>9048286

The Guard Sergeant straightened up and rubbed his thin moustache. "Well, well Carrick. Took you long enough. You're going upstairs. Come with me." He turned sharply and strode towards the lift.

"Upstairs? But..." Carrick looked around at the other guards for some explanation, but recieved only sullen glares. As one of the guards cracked his knuckles, Carrick hurried after the Sergeant, who was now pushing a key into the lock that would summon the lift. He considered asking the Sergeant for some information, but the man's stony expression deterred any attempt at being read. With a screech of brakes, the lift came to a shuddering halt and the two men stepped inside. With another unhealthy mechanical grinding, the lift began to rise upwards. They had gone three floors, when it stopped and Carrick and the Sergeant had to quickly exit to make way for a squad of armed soldiers heading back down. Probably to deal with another Feral Scot raid. Carrick had no time to consider whether they were heading down to his floor, as the Sergeant gave him a shove. "Get moving, they're waiting for you".

"Who's wai-" But the Sergeant was silent again as they marched along, past offices and control rooms. This was the Governmental level, where all the administration and organisation neccesary to run the nation-ship was carried out. Carrick had only ever been this high-up once, to hand-deliver a report on food production to the General Food Council when the messaging system had broken down. Here, the noise of the engines was almost undetectable and the floors were practically dry. Carrick had little time to admire the place, as they now approached another lift, this one flanked by two armed guards in the red uniforms of the Queen's Guard. Even the Guard Sergeant's grim expression seemed perturbed by their cold, distant stares and emotionless faces.

>>9048305

"Adrian Carrick, as requested". As the two guards nodded as one, the Guard Sergeant quickly turned and strode away. The lift doors behind the guards opened silently, and they stood aside to allow Carrick to enter, not once looking at him. As he slowly moved into the lift, the doors behind him shut just as quickly and quietly, enclosing Carrick in a golden, mirrored chamber. Carrick could barely think straight. The Palace? But what the hell could they want with him here? Noticing himself in the mirrors, he desperately tried to tidy himself up, flattening his hair, dusting off his shabby overalls and drying off his moist forehead. He was so engrossed, that he barely noticed the doors behind him opening again. When he did step out of the lift, he was almost blinded by the light in this new room. As his eyes adjusted, he realised with awe that it was sunlight! He was above the surface!

As he realised this, he took in the rest of the room. It was long, and just as ostentaitiously decorated as the lift had been. Along both sides, stood more of the Queen's Guard, eyes forward and faces again, set in an emotionless distant stare. At the far end of the room, flanking a massive throne, were two men. One dressed in military finery, Carrick recognised as Prince Phillip, the Queen's Consort, a haggard and old parody of a prince; the other, a handsome man in a suit, he did not recognise. And between them, almost dwarfed by the throne, was the Queen.

Carrick had only ever seen pictures of her before, but they could not convey how beautiful she truly was. Her perfect face almost seemed to shine in the sunlight. Garbed like Britannia herself, Carrick couldn't help but feel a patriotic pride rise up in him, a pride which threatened to burst forth as she smiled at him. But then Carrick saw her eyes. They were black, like nothing he had ever seen, empty and soulless, and Carrick couldn't help but turn away to look at the handsome man who now spoke.

>>9048328

"Ah, Carrick. Good to see you my man. Must be a bit of a shock, all of this. Don't worry though, you're here to be rewarded for your service. I'm Jasper Maskelyne and I'm the Queen's advisor, of a sort. Now, do you know where we are?"

"I... no sir, I've no idea"

"Of course you wouldn't. Why would you? We've surfaced just off the western coast of America, the Soviet-occupied area. Her Majesty's government has need of a specific item that is located beyond the Soviet sphere of influence, in the No-Man's Land between the German and Russian lines. We need you to lead a team of commandos and specialists to infiltrate the Soviet lines and find this item, a very special book, and bring it back to a rendezvous point four weeks from now. "

Carrick could barely understand what was being asked of him. Was this some kind of joke?. "But sir, I'm not a commando. I work in the food vats sir. There must have been some mis-"

"No mistakes Carrick. Suffice it to say that it is the Queen's will that you lead this mission. You will, of course, recieve the requisite training, as well as a suitable rise in rank..."

Now the Queen spoke for the first time. Her voice was sweet, and sounded like the most beautiful music Carrick had ever heard. "Kneel".

Even had Carrick wanted to, he could not have resisted the command. He fell to one knee, his head bowed, as he heard the Queen rise from her throne, and the noise of sword being drawn. With a few steps, she was standing in front of him, and Carrick could feel the tap of the flat of the sword on his shoulders, then his head. "I dub thee, Sir Carrick. Arise".

Carrick arose, changed. And he was not afraid.

Assuming the Soviets haven't conquered Japan, the Japanese have Manchurian and Burmese oil and lots of colonial subject manpower.

Even forgetting China, Japan controlling Southeast Asia would be in pretty good shape.

>>9048383
Goddammit. Drop Japan.

>>9048338
FUCK YES JASPER MASKELYNE.

Also, I had an idea of throwing in Arthurian traditions with the obvious "George's consort was a fae". Basically, if you are brave and virtuous Sir Knight, you'll be a complete demon in battle. But only while you're brave and virtuous.

>>9048338

Well written, and it has potential for awesome. I like the idea that the Queen is a mind-controlling soulless witch. You've pretty much sold me on the idea of Britain as an airship, sir. And you say no-man's land, between the Russian and German spheres of influence without specifying where, exactly. Hmm. I wonder if we'll run into some undead friends of ours.

>>9048338

So I tried removing what I see as some of the sillier ideas Britain-wise (the airship, druids, the bulldog spirit and so on), and keeping it simple.

So here's how I see Britain evolving.

As Europe falls under the bootheels of the Nazis, Britain prepares for an invasion from the continent. With the humiliation at Dunkirk fresh in memory, the Army prepares to dig in and fight to the last as the Battle of Britain erupts in the air. Britain holds out for a good while, just as in the real world, but in the end, without a second front to worry about, Operation Sea Lion begins and German troops begin landing on the south coast. The Army falls back to its defensive positions, but they can only hold out for so long and slowly, but surely, Britain too falls. The German forces are assisted by Fifth Columnists led by Oswald Moseley, who the Germans will soon appoint Governor of the British Isles.

The British Government had already seen this defeat coming though, and had begun work on a plan to keep the most important bits of Britain out of the reach of the Germans. Work had begun on a gigantic submarine, to evacuate the Royals, the heads of the Army and government as well as all the necessary support for them. As Britain fell, the submarine was made ready and, with the help of the last of the British Navy, managed to break free of the Nazi blockade and out to the open ocean.

>>9048531
I fully support the move to a submarine.

>>9048531

Hmmm, ya that might be better, less "Crazy Queen dives from the air, cue Ride of the Valkyries" more "tactical movement, getting what they need and leaving undetected" kind of deal.

However to make it over the top like the rest of this setting I would say that the sub should be giant, like upwards of 10k people working/living on it. And the endgame of "The Bulldog" or whatever else it is should be maintained, I'm thinking that resurrecting King Arthur is better but w/e

>>9048531

If thats the move we're making we need to discuss how they're getting resources.

>>9048636
>And the endgame of "The Bulldog" or whatever else it is should be maintained, I'm thinking that resurrecting King Arthur is better but w/e

Fuck that.

>>9048658

Nuclear submarine, maybe? That way oil wouldn't be a concern. I imagine that they both trawl the seas for food, as well as trade with independents or occasionally raid undefended Nazi or Soviet ports.

>>9048531

This makes a lot more sense then the shit that people were proposing earlier. I can readily get behind this. It's silly and over-the-top, sure, but it has JUST ENOUGH grounding in reality (that is to say, any), that it fits in better with the setting as a whole.

>>9048729
Yeah. That's the distinction we're going for.

>>9048682

Okay then what IS Britain's long term plan? Don't forget this setting has fucktons of magic, necromancy and all sorts of other crazy shit.

Completely open to suggestions, can't think of anything better though

>>9048531

But this was not the only preparation that had been made. The impact of the increasingly apparent defeat on the King was particularly acute. He became increasingly withdrawn and depressed, and his daughter Elizabeth, was desperate for some way out of their grim situation. It was then she was approached by a young stage magician named Jasper Maskelyne.

Maskelyne, an illusionist who had assisted in the construction of defences with decoys and cunning ruses, in a quest for real magic, had discovered an ancient book, detailing the Fae-spirits that used to live in Albion, and how they might be contacted and dealt with. He had spoken to one of these entities, and was promised the protection of the heart of Britain, if he could only obtain the consent of a Princess.

The young Elizabeth was eager to hear of any solution, and together, she and Maskelyne made a deal with the Fae. Elizabeth was somehow possessed by the entity, and Maskelyne made immortal to serve under It, but the heart of the Nation was protected in the submarine which miraculously made it past the German Navy.

British society soon changed aboard the Submarine. King George died, and the Elizabeth-thing rose to the throne, taking Prince Phillip as an easily controlled husband. Parliament dissolved into insignificance, splitting up into various committees and sub-committees dedicated to the running of various aspects of the ship.

>>9048779

In the short run? Survival, likely. Ultimately, the total defeat of Nazi Germany and conquest of Britain.

>>9048864
Yeah. They mostly just want their shit back.

>>9048779
As the last of the Royal lines of Europe, the Queen reinstates/invokes Divine Right to Rule. Gets a bunch of angels (or 'angels') and so on, seeks to gather Excalibur and the Holy Grail to resurrect the ghosts of Knights long past to reclaim England. Sort of white necromancy where English commandos sneak around communing with spirits and raising the ghosts of those killed to give them a chance for vengance, that kind of thing.

>>9048919

Seems similar to the Constitutionalists. I like the idea of Fae acting as "angels" but I'm not really sold on the holy grail or ghosts of knights long past stuff.

>>9048946
Could go classical Abrahamic.

I mean, OLD TESTAMENT type shit.

>>9049021
Right. What about the Jews in this setting?

I would like to put something forward that my friends and I thought would be a fun idea when we were discussing the setting. Make the Finnish into something similar to sniper/ninja death gods. Finland might have lost the war to Soviet superior numbers but they remain as "angles of death" or something similarly dramatic. Soviet soldiers that have to hold Finland fear going out at night because of the high likelihood that they would never return. The Finnish freedom fighters could never actual remove the Soviets but a single man of theirs would be equivalent to Rambo, Snake Pliscan, and a ninja all rolled into one.

And a link to the reason why we thought this would work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

>>9048946
>>9048919

This seems pretty good. The "we want to destroy both superpowers" thing IMO is both unrealistic and undoable at the position Britain is in. However gathering the spirits of their knights (think Return of the King), or British relics to drive Germany off is more understandable, especially with the fae dealings.

>>9049033

Well, I imagine very few would have escaped the Holocaust, given that the Nazis won and America remained strictly isolationist. Also, given that the new Jewish state of Israel wouldn't have the protection of a superpower, I doubt it would have survived long. I'm guessing that, in this setting, almost all would have been killed with a few families here and there.

>>9049033
Entirely exterminated.

>>9049047
Tertiary, might be pretty cool to add later but we should hold off until we have the main shit down.

>>9048799

The British government-in-exile was refused access to the Isolationist USA, and even its former colonies turned against it, especially as Nazi and Soviet influence spread round the globe. The submarine settled into its new existence.

Nowadays, there's effectively three main power blocs. The Queen is effectively in charge. The civilian government keeps most of the ship running, clamping down on dissent as much as it can. The Army is basically all that's left of the Armed Forces, the Navy mostly being destroyed in the evacuation, and the Air Force mostly being subsumed into the Army. The Queen has worked her Fae-magics over a substantial proportion of those in charge to keep them subservient.

There is resistance to her regime though. From within, disaffected Republican terrorists plot to remove the Queen entirely, and deep in the slums and food vats, there's plenty of places to hide. And outside of the bounds of civilisation, there are the near-feral Scottish tribes, hidden deep in the ventilation systems and sewers. Originally only a small hardcore of Scottish Nationalists, their numbers have grown over the years, from disaffected Republicans or just people who wandered down the wrong corridor at the wrong time.

>>9049051
Yeah. It's much more toned down from before, which makes it much more acceptable.

>>9049047

At this point we kind of want to flesh the major players, but that seems interesting.

>>9049084

Just had to take a jab at the Scots, eh? Couldn't resist, I'd wager.

>>9048691

Nuclear Submarine sounds good, and like has been said, it's gonna be massive.

>>9048779

What with the Fae Queen mostly in charge, I think we can leave her motivations suitably obscure. She wants something, perhaps the freeing of her Fae brothers and sisters from their prisons? Especially with the demonic Nazis trampling all over England's Green and Pleasant Land. Liberation of the homeland would be their priority. The means to do that, is probably gonna be the weird obscure bit.

I can see British commando raids deep into hostile territory to acquire seemingly mundane and unrelated items. The Queen's got something planned, but even Maskelyne can't see it yet.

>>9049147

Irish might work better IMO, since the whole IRA thing...

>>9049071
>Entirely exterminated.

Including American Jews? Including Russian Jews? Jews in the neutral countries? No way, José. It's fucking GOLEM TIME.

I'd like to imagine that the Chinese civil war never really stopped and Mao has hooked his brain into a massive supercomputer to battle the descendants of Chiang Kai-Shek who control Hong Kong and much of the east coast. So the entire country is basically one big running gun battle, gang wars non stop in the streets.

Meanwhile Tibet is free because they have achieved a state of super enlightenment to the point where they cannot leave the mountains because entering the materialistic modern world would shock them out of it to the point where they could never return. No one dares attack them either because they've gained a sort of heavenly kung-fu that allows them to strike from multiple planes of existence at the same time. Effectively a grand master can punch the fetal soul of your great ancestor before it comes into existence a million years in the past. They have nothing to gain from leaving but visitors are welcome if they wish to learn their ways. Of course power this great never comes easy.

>>9049172
You thinking epic-level inglorious basters?

>>9049172

BACK TO TOPIC

So Britain seems to be largely fleshed out and nicely made, thanks to Mr. Writefag for that.

Lets work on Germany.

What is their power structure government?

>>9045288

Just updated the archive again, but I have to go for the night.

Make sure you guys keep it up to date. Just add it to the archive again to update it. We have to preserve these threads for the future.

>>9049172
Yeah, it's only the European Jews that have been wiped out.
American Jews on the East Coast are pretty fucked though, Constitutionalism is a religion all its own, and the Soviets are hardly the most tolerant of nations, so they're likely to be concentrated in a neutral country. Maybe Australia, since the entire Middle East is a gigantic clusterfuck.

>>9049147

I am Scottish bro. I just enjoy the idea of savage tribes living in the ducts and pipes of the Submarine-Nation, hating the posh, poncey English Government in the top layers. And it'd only be the extremists of all stripes who would join up with them. Plenty of rational Scots would live perfectly happily with the rest of society.

>>9049236
So the Australians are on Antarctica being mysterious and supertech, while the Jews are on Australia building golems for protection.

I like it.

MEANWHILE, IN SOUTH AMERICA

>>9049171

I'd originally thought the Scots would work better, since I don't know how many Irish would even get on board the Sub. Since the Submarine was built in secret, far away from the Germans, that probably means it was built in Scotland, so there'll be proportionately more Scots on board.

But I guess the Irish would also work.

>>9049172

Yes, including American Jews. Nazis control the west coast, where the majority of American Jews settled. Those living in Russia might not have fared better, what with the massive racism most Russians held towards Jews. Fact of the matter is, in this setting the Jews wouldn't likely have any power, chance for payback, or numbers. I suppose that a few might have survived is disparate places all over the globe, quietly trying to assimilate into their host cultures.

>>9049203

Fuck yes I am. Having a high-magic world without Jewish militants creating Golems would be so terribly terribly wrong.

>>9049268

The Nazis, in the quest for the secrets of Atlantis and the City of Gold, disturb the Plateau of the Lost World, unleashing dinosaurs to roam the Amazon?

I like it.

>>9049293
>quietly trying to assimilate into their host cultures.

That is not at all how Jewish culture works. In fact, that assimiliating thing could probably have saved us from centuries of persuctions, but we didn't. We're stubborn like that.

>>9049296

Well, I suppose that we could do that. Maybe the mass exodus was to South America instead of North America, since the US was being so isolationist, and they established a small state of their own amidst the chaos.

>>9049194

We don't really have any Asian shit going on as it currently stands so it would be a good move to have something. This isn't really any more ridiculous than anything else that's shown up so far.

>>9049172
Again: FOCUS ON WHAT WE HAVE.

This is why so much /tg/ shit never gets off the ground, everyone wants to slap their dick all over their new special offshoot.

>>9049237
I agree, the appeal of progressively more barbaric Scots living in a submarine is definitely enticing.

>>9049343
>Effectively a grand master can punch the fetal soul of your great ancestor before it comes into existence a million years in the past.
>This isn't really any more ridiculous than anything else that's shown up so far.

Man, what.

I like the Chinese civil war aspect of it, though.

>>9049343

>no asian shit

We have Japan basically decided on, and China is Russia's bitch/industrial sector

>>9049359

This is brainstorming. We're gonna look at it from all angles, fuck around with every concept, and let the mob sort it out. This is 4chan, after all, it's the only way we can operate.

>>9049359

Well, we're more about sudden bursts of manic inspiration. Follow-through isn't really our strong-suit. Although, I have to confess what we have so far is the seed for something much greater.

>>9049386

Well we've got Dead Presidents coming back as great old ones. Didn't seem to out there since they cannot leave their tiny mountain temples.

>>9049098
Fair enough just wanted to get the idea out there while I had a chance.

Contrary to popular belief, the radioactive severed head of Mao does occasionally float around to inspect facilities and personnel.

>>9049408

He's right, you know. Tibetan monks that can punch your Grandpa's fetus isn't all that more extreme than the Dread Hickory.

QUESTIONS TO FLESH OUT GERMANY

What is their governmental system?
What has happened to Hitler?
How does magic work for the everyday citizen?
Are the other major players from Nazi Germany still hanging around? (Goebbells etc)
Are the specialized daeomonoligists? or are they just general magi?
How does the average soldier combat Russian tech? Are they enhanced magically? Better weapons?
What kind of religion/ cult is going on with them?

>>9049403
The distinction is between fucking around with existing concepts and throwing even more in there. I don't mind you throwing out ideas, no matter how bad, on what we're actually addressing first. The problem is that ideas keep getting thrown out there, everyone wants to make their own little unique piece of it, and ultimately nothing at all gets done with any satisfaction.

>>9049359

/tg/ projects go in fits and starts. If someone wants to write a bit about Jewish Golem Basterds and post it, people can look it over and poke holes in it and suggest things and so on.

We haven't lost anything, but we might have gained something.

>>9049537
>/tg/ projects go in fits and starts.

More commonly, /tg/ projects crap out a lot of ideas that never really go anywhere.

If the British air force was combined with whatever is left on their sub, would that make the only surviving Canadians on the sub? I'm assuming Canada got ripped with what went on between the Russians, Germans and Americans and doubt there would be many survivors.

Hmmm... The Caribbean! Complete wildlife take over. Every island is a unique ecosystem with an incredible amount of biodiversity. The few tribes that do live there have virtually no technology beyond the stone age and have no desire to see that change. The islands are rich with natural resources though, so getting them under control is a hot target for most nations. The problem is the wildlife itself is incredibly hostile and dangerous. Once harmless plants have been known to evolve spores only poisonous to humans within weeks of landfall on any given island and then after the invaders have been driven off lose them just as fast. The natives don't have the means to act in hostility towards the invaders being to few in numbers, but they are often content to let the islands take care of themselves.

>>9049582
I'm enjoying myself. That's quite enough.

>>9049584
Presumably, the majority of Canadians are under occupation, like most of that continent. I'm not sure why they'd be on the sub or how they'd get there.

>>9049593

Most of the changes in our world from modern day are caused by people and changes in tech levels. I don't think adding magical/evolving plants/animals is going to fit well

>>9049614
Whatever works for you, then. I'm mostly just trying to actually get infrastructure down so we have something that can actually be used beyond having fun now.

>>9049479

Their government is a pure meritocratic magocracy, at least in the lower echelons. Hitler has lost all vestiges of sanity and is kept locked away and occasionally pulled out to serve as a figurehead for the German people. His illness is a well-concealed secret. For the most part, magic isn't too common in Germany, reserved typically for the wealthy magocrats. All children, regardless of parentage, go to the same schools, receive the same educations, and have the same chances, and are encouraged to be vicious to climb their way to the top. In this case, their are three routes to power: through the civil government, through the military, or through one of the mage academies. The most advanced mages specialize in demonology, while lessers can either enter the military as battlefield casters or the civil government as public works mages. The average soldier is better fed, trained, and equipped than Russian soldiers, but they are far less cost-effective. Most use fairly standard weaponry, comparable to today's, but the commandos are often demon/Human hybrids armed with infernal technology.

>>9049621
1 in 6 bombers in the FAR bomber command were piloted by Canadians during the war, assuming wiki can be believed. Regardless, they did play a role in the air force, whether it was piloting them or training people, during the war in and I'm assuming they would of stuck around until the end of the invasion of Britain. Hell, even some of their ground forces likely would of remained despite how few they had in comparison to the other countries.

>>9049707
Gah. That should be RAF bomber command.

Fucking hell /tg/. It's 4 in the morning and I'm here talking about Demon-nazis and robo-Soviets and Fae-Britains and Golem-Jews and Zombie-Americans and fuck knows what else.

Stop being so entertaining so I can go to bed.

>>9049721
>>9049707
Good to know, I guess. They'd probably just be folded in with the rest of the evacuees for convenience's sake.

>>9049707
>>9049621

I think we can have a few Canadians on board.

Hell, maybe the Canadians did let the British moor up initially. Then, when it looked like the Nazis were going to invade, the Submarine fled again, with a few more Canadians on board. Since then, it hasn't docked for any real length of time.

>>9049687

As for your other points, Goebels and the rest of Hitler's staff were long ago assassinated quietly by up-and-coming Nazi politicians, but they couldn't bring themselves to fully oust Hitler, and instead locked him away, keeping the entire affair sub-rosa. Hitler still has quite a personality cult around him, with many citizens feeling nothing but reverence for the man. However, it has not edged into pure worship yet. Instead, they worship their state and their race and the entire concept of Nazism.

>The average soldier is better fed, trained, and equipped than Russian soldiers, but they are far less cost-effective.

Depends, I guess. Any Red Guard formation would prolly just stomp their normal german counterpart on the individual level.

>Most use fairly standard weaponry, comparable to today's, but the commandos are often demon/Human hybrids armed with infernal technology.

Addendum: "Penal" units made up of non-aryans, political non-comformists, criminals (who can volunteer to shorten their prison terms significantly) etc that are basically used as poorly equipped cannonfodder, mostly in fixed defenses or for distractionary attacks.

>>9049873
I could see him developing into a christ-like figure.

The person every nazi "aspires to" - the "dynamic individual".

>>9049964

Then how are we going to have them able to punch through the diesel-punk power armor and tanks?

>>9049964

So, in properly ideaological fashion, the Soviets are fairly uniformly good, their robotic armour mass-manufactured and put into place. The Nazis are much more varied, from poorly equipped penal legions, to decent regular soldiers to horrific monstrous demon-men hybrids.

>>9050102

Same way infantry can still beat tanks today. Cleverness, numbers and high explosives.

>>9050106

Right. The penal legions are almost uniformly armed with at least a few flamethrowers. Good terror tactics, and who cares if they get blown up?

>>9050102
Nazis' answer to the prevalent threat presented by Soviet nuclear super-tanks are their own super-tanks, except powered by greater demons.

>>9044287
When I saw OP's pic, my first thought was actually "So THAT'S why they called the show 'RED Dwarf'!"

>>9050102
>Then how are we going to have them able to punch through the diesel-punk power armor and tanks?

Magical support, summoned demons, magi-tek guns for elite formations. Basically, if the Soviets go on and equip their elite formations with power armour and such, the Nazis can answer with giving their elite formations some magical support. Though, I'd think the power armor should be reserved for soviet elite formations and/or organic support units in regular formations.

I'd prolly be somewhere like that on the individual level: german penal unit soldier > russian conscript > german regular > russian guard = german elite soldiers (Waffen SS, prolly Fallschirmjäger)

Just as a rough guideline.

>>9050173
That's...uncanny. Fuck.

>>9049687
I would amend this so that it is true only if you are properly "Aryan." Anyone who is a lesser race (here looking at you italy/spain/africa) becomes second class citizens. The government only educates them till the 7th grade, with a chance at trade schools if the student is particularly skilled or intelligent. If a lesser race person wants to join the military the do so as a grunt, and an entire life time of service wouldn't even earn them the rank of Sergent. They are also tested for magically proficiency while they are young and if they are found to have adequate enough skill/inborn talent/etc. then they are sent away to a "special academy." At the academy they are lobotimized and forcefully possessed; turning them into demonic super soldiers. Over all life for a non-aryan in Germany would be unpleasant.

>>9050277
>german penal unit soldier > russian conscript > german regular > russian guard = german elite soldiers (Waffen SS, prolly Fallschirmjäger)

You have your less-than signs backward.

>>9050301

Sorry, sorry. It was sort of implied that it was only for aryans. Meritocratic magocracy for aryans only.

>>9050155

Heh, that might actually work against powered armor, if you think about it. Who cares about getting through? You land a proper hit with a flamethrower or a phosphorus grenade on it and you'll end up either outright frying the guy inside or overheating the armor to the point where it ceases working for a while. Which menas you can casually walk up and start making sure that it won't be operational ever again.

Well, and I guess any german infantry unit that's supposed to go up against that stuff would get as many Panzerfausts as they can carry. Perhaps even the penal guys, given just how retardedly cheap those things were even IRL.

>>9050301
>They are also tested for magically proficiency while they are young and if they are found to have adequate enough skill/inborn talent/etc. then they are sent away to a "special academy." At the academy they are lobotimized and forcefully possessed; turning them into demonic super soldiers.

This is good. Trust the Germans to make proper use of everyone.

>>9050304

OOOPS. Oh, shit. Now that's embarrassing.

>>9050277
Soviet power armor should be common on the battlefield, helping out non-power armored infantry make breakthroughs in enemy formations. Large formations of power armor is rare, and said formations appearing usually means shit just got real.

>>9050301

How does magic work in the setting? Is it a skill anyone can learn or is it a genetic trait? Based on that fact that three factions are using it so far it seems to just be a skill more than a something only a percentage of the population is born with.

Right. I'm finally going to bed. Keep this shit bumped and archived guys, it's all good.

>>9050371
I can't help but imagine the suits as enormously bulky, with huge exhaust pipes/cables sticking out everywhere, external hydraulic strength amplifiers, probably armed with LMG's.

And rusty, naturally.

>>9050439
Bulky and built like tanks, but far from looking like a cluster fuck of machinery.

>>9050429
It might be an issue of different types of magic: some are inborn, some are learned, some are granted by external powers. Magic being inborn for the German practice works really well flavor-wise. I'd say whatever Britain's using is external-based (granted by friendly fey, etc.) Not sure how American necromancy works though.

>>9050429
Since most sides seem to tap into it in some variety, I imagine it's a relatively uncommon natural phenomenon. Most of those only have potential and don't randomly manifest powers, and it requires those who manifested powers and learned to control them to teach these ones how to make use of theirs. I imagine they're tapping into some kind of other-world-- and the products are shaped by the individual, their cultural expectations, and their education. Maybe Germans make demons because they expect to, while the Brits get Faerie because they expect to.

>>9050507
RUBBER SHOES IN MOTION

>>9050516
Mixture of natural-born talents and anyone being able to learn magic given enough determination? Same goes for American necromancy, but significantly harder to learn due to state of the US.

>>9050563
>Mixture of natural-born talents and anyone being able to learn magic given enough determination?

Yeah, that sounds good. Like comparing people who are naturally good at school-related stuff with people who have to study forever to eke out a B.

>>9050429

As I see it, the Nazis are the really magical race. Nazi sorcery probably relies on innate genetic traits and attributes. You're either born to become a sorcerer, or you're not.

The Constitutionalists are a bit more religious in their Magic, but again, it probably comes more from innate skill.

I don't really see the British as being that magical, except for the Queen. They might receive blessings from their Queen, which would probably work by bending fate to protect those blessed. And she protects the submarine itself from detection by hostile powers. Nothing too showy.

>>9050590
An air of resentment between the "naturals" and "learners." The naturals are more capable of summoning greater demons and high magic whilst the learners are more focused in powering war-machines and other practical applications. But it's not unheard of a learner being just as capable as a natural.

>>9050664
>>9050590
This sounds very good. Perhaps the Americans (who had a large German immigrant population from the 1800s) got some of their necromantic potential from German blood?

ALL AMERICANS RECEIVE THEIR NECROMANTIC GIFTS BY THE GRACE OF THE FOUNDING LORDS.

ALL OTHER NOTIONS ARE BASEST UNAMERICAN HERESY.

>>9050683
Pretty reasonable. It would make sense how their magic turned out as something as evil as the demons.

Andrei really had nothing against the Constitutionalists- they wanted their nation back, young though it was. He took a long view and postulated that someday the war might end, and the Consitutionalists might be granted a reserve, that the Reich would be nothing but a bad memory and the world might live in peace. Of course, as a pragmatist he didn't see that day coming any time soon- it was his duty to fight, and there was nothing that would stand in his way. He keyed up the throttle of his armor and felt the engine rumble in response. Heavy, metallic footsteps thudded across the open tundra. The wind was whipping and the plateau was barren, but he kept up the pace. The compass read his heading as West, and all he could do was make for the coast. Deep strike ops didn't always go as planned, as his trek was evidence. Thump thump thump. Bozhyemoi, it was mind-numbing.

>>9050724
Also Soviet armor idea.

>>9050719
That's a good spin for it.

>>9050429
How about it is genetic unless granted from an external source. For example the Queen is magical because of the Fae but the Nazi's lack the any patrons willing to do the same. For the Constitutionalists it works this way while they are alive, but after becoming "Citizens" they are granted limited magical ability as a boon from the Founding Lords (or simply from the process of being revived as Liches).

>>9050766
Damn ISP.

>>9050724
I dig the armor. It's like, super-utilitarian Ganmen.

Soviet powered infantry aren't that much bigger than other infantrymen. Powerful enough to tear apart a man and just enough to go toe to toe with a Nazi-summoned minor demon or an American necrotic-golem.

alright /tg/ I'm not a very good writefag but this idea caused me to try my hand at it.

Spirit of Motherland was massive. Bristling with artillery, AA guns and anti-personnel weapons it sat on the Nevada death plains, dead in the water. Her fuel rods were spent. She had been the backbone of the Russian Desert corps for 3 years now. A shipment was due to arrive in another few days.
“Und you say she cannot even aim her veapons?”
“Yesssssssssss” The wind demons voice was more like a breeze than an audible voice, but Ilse Aichinger had been working with the creatures as scout coordinator for a while now.
“so vhat shall ve do about it?” The commander asked quietly. His SS uniform creaked as he moved.
“A tunnel sir, the guns were set up for phalanx fire before the fuel rods were spent, a solid sphere of fire still keeps us from getting close. I have ten earth golems pulled straight from der underwelt, waiting for payment. We tunnel close, cut inside and rip the cowardly Russian rats out of their steel abomination”
“How many for do the beasts want?”
“One hundred souls, sir. We already requisitioned the inferiors for payment”
“Very well, make it so. Have the sturmtruppen ready.”

John Henry never really thought of himself as a bad man. No, he thought of himself as a patriot. Born American, died American, unliving American! And by the Founding Fathers he would be damned sure that America would be reclaimed, in the name of truth, freedom, and democracy!

John Henry rose to his withered, skeletal feet and slipped on a pair of boots. Less that he needed them, and more for show. They were very well-shined. The perfect thing to inspire his men.

John Henry stood in front of the formation, eying the soldiers' uniforms. He raised a bony finger to adjust the helmet worn by one, and brushed some specks of gore and shredded cloth from the jacket of another.

"Men!" John Henry started. "I am ever grateful that you have come to us and have seen the light of democracy! Now, we are besieged by those who would dare extinguish this torch! Stand with me, hold the flame aloft! For Washington! For Jefferson!"

His speech was answered by a chorus of low groans and gurgles as the shambling horde before him turned and started their march Westward.

>>9050893

The ground before the massive steel door opened up. The whole was slowly widened and ten walking rocks climbed out, followed quickly by a cloaked man and fifty lightly armed soldiers. Immediately two began cutting through the door.
“Your job is complete I release you” Ilse Aichinger told the rocks. They nodded and dissolved into the earth. He shook his head. Mostly used to the chatter of the wind creatures he wasn’t used to the silence of earth golems.
A rumbling disturbed the quiet of the desert plains. Ilse glanced up, expecting to see the guns of the mountain sized tank swivelling, or the treads beginning to turn. Just saw the few birds that nested amongst its girth flying away. Ilse looked out into the plain and saw a massive hole opening up in the ground, slowly widening. “Those treacherous daemons spawn! They’re revealing our position! Shiest!” was Ilse’s first thought. But the truth was much worse, the golems had betrayed them, just not the German sneak attack. Daemon’s lived for chaos even if they had their own rules. What the German scouting didn’t reveal was the presence of a massive Constitutionalist necropolis below the plain that Spirit of Motherland sat on. The golems just opened it up. Now wave upon wave of undead were piling out of the hole they made.

>>9050907

Ssva Shessla circled the tank from above, his tasks complete and his master about to perish he didn’t care about returning “as ordered”. The human’s ridiculous contraption was being swarmed by the empties, dead humans. Ssva didn’t particularly care what happened to humans, nor did he have any interest in why they fought, but there was opportunity to watch chaos at work so he stayed.
The first of the empties had entered the tank and by the screams audible even at this altitude had begun killing everything in sight. A siren sounded, Ssva was curious, what could the steel monkeys be up to? He didn’t get to finish the thought, a furious bright light lit the sky for miles around. A quarter of a second later an explosion rocked the plain, air being sucked into the heat of the explosion. Ssva calmly watched, he was composed of nothing but daemonic air, he could affect nothing, but as a trade off nothing could affect him.

>>9050924

Motion by the massive hole attracted Ssva’s attention. An almost-empty was shambling out of the whole, screaming in the old tongue. Ssva dismissed it, until he saw writhing in the smoke and debris of the steel monkey’s monstrosity. It was knitting itself together, but in a different form, flesh from all sides was covering the steel, it was dragging itself together. The almost-empty collapsed as the new thing rose up out the blast. The almost-empty had used the energies of the explosion and the souls of the dead and dying to tie a soul into this new creature.
The eldritch abomination reared up and screamed into the sky “NIXON IS BACK!” and its howl echoed across the land “HHHHHHHHHHHAAAAROOOOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOoooooo”

>>9050949
... NIXON? Hahahha.

>>9050949
>“NIXON IS BACK!”

>>9050879
>>9050800

I dunno, powered armor isn't compact. Lightest case scenario is a weedwhacker motor, generator, and some servos. 50 pounds, not including ammo or weapons. Most likely powered armor would be more like an up-armored Humvee with legs (if a tad smaller). You need heavier weapons, high-strength limbs, a power plant (like a high-torque diesel engine), fuel for the power plant, and armor on top of that. It might weight almost a ton, but the increased strength and firepower would certainly be worth it.

Think Helein's original Marauders from Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie), or maybe Terran Marines from Starcraft- ten feet tall, heavy as a car and armed with a .50 caliber machine gun at the very least.

>>9050949

>Nixon is Back

>>9050949
WHAT HAS MAGIC DONE?!

>>9050903
I think that's pretty good for the psychology of a typical Constitionalist Citizen, if a tad overdone.

Constitutionalists practice a religion based on a twisted, demented interpretation of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the speeches of various US presidents, all of which are considered holy texts. They worship the Founding Fathers and several of the more well-known presidents as gods, calling them "Founding Lords," and seek to bring half-crazed, undead, inhuman versions of them into this world to reclaim America from outside invaders. Rumors say that they've begun preparation for the ritual that will release the most dangerous of the Founding Lords, Andrew Jackson, often called "The Hickory Death."

>>9050990
Just trying to move away from the idea of Soviet armor looking incredibly impractical and cluttered when the Soviets are supposed to be the most technologically advanced, surpassed only by the Australians.

Anyway, here's the American answer to Nazi demons and Soviet armor.

>>9050949

I imagined this howl like a cross between a wolf and the futurama nixon

>>9051207

>>9050949
>Nixon

Oh shit son

>>9051180

someone taking care of updating the archive? or does someone want to explain how to do that for me?

>Nixon back

wait but the timeline specifically had 'merica get crushed way before Nixon ever became president

>>9051437

If I was going to run this setting I would put the characters far enough in the future that shit can get muddled when it comes to timelines, for just such shenanigans.

>Brits trying to resurrect Churchill.

FFFFFFFUUCK Churchill. Alternate-history britons need a better undead leader than him.

>>9051424

It auto-updates every half hour so long as it hasn't been shoved off every page.

>>9051437
I'M BRINGING NIXON BACK, ALL YOU OTHER POLITICIANS DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACT.

>>9051363

That made me laugh so hard I teared up.

>>9051542

k, dats good, I'm going to sleep gentlemen, I hope that we can continue working on this

>>9050371

>helping out non-power armored infantry make breakthroughs in enemy formations. Large formations of power armor is rare, and said formations appearing usually means shit just got real.

No no. You are doing it wrong. Armored vehicles spread thin and used as infantry support is mainly a WW 1 tactic, since they were slow and people did not know how to properly use armor correctly. Remember, Blitzkrieg tactics and the use of fast mechanized and armored spearheads originated in WW 2, in this world's past. Though the Germans began this, the Soviets learn quickly.

Now, in this world, the fighting on the Eastern Front didn't happen, but, instead, these fights happened in other parts of the globe. Still, it ends in the same result: Massed Armored Formations.

Fuck yes, I'd love to see a Cyborg-Stalin going fisticuffs with a monstrous undead Nixon. Even better if they CWOSSSSSSS COUNTAHHHHH

>>9051608

Fuck Nixon, I'd like to see mecha-Stalin go toe-to-toe with a monstrous undead Roosevelt. Teddy, that is.

>>9051512

>Zombie Cromwell versus Hitler.

I approve. What other historical personages would london want to resurrect, while it's at it?

>>9051648

Necromancy was 'merica's schtick! Unless, of course, you mean a Fae-like creature that stole Cromwell's memories and is using a facsimile of his body.

>>9051623

>Monstrous Undead Teddy Roosevelt

GG guys.

>>9051700

You're right. Resurrecting Teddy would be a bit unfair. Is it just me, or has America had a lot of really badass presidents? I mean, we've had some pretty awful ones in recent years, but our presidents used to be really awesome. Massive jerks, too, but awesome nonetheless.

>>9051680

Are you implying that Cromwell wasn't always one of the Fair Folk?

It's also a hell of a lot better than calling up the spirit of Churchill.

>>9051793

Not just awesome presidents, but awesome military leaders too.

Lee, Stonewall, Longstreet, and more, fighting together with their former brothers-at-arms and former enemies, Grant, Sheridan, Sherman, along with people like Patton, Nimitz (if America ever manages to break out into the seas again), and more.

>>9051793
If the setting really had to advance outside of the Soviets and Nazis occupying the US, I'd say it'd be the Constitutionalists finally ousting the Eurasians. South America being fortified against the undead hordes. The remaining sane Americans (non-Constitutionalists) either fleeing to the Antarcticas with the Aussies, Soviets, or Nazis.

>>9051180
>>9051581
Bingo, guys. Yes, the first thing people think of when they see heavy armor is clunky and impractical. Think of this:>>9050800 isn't a bundle of cables- look close. Sealed canopy, what looks like a fifty for a rifle, and articulated joints allowing for good range of movement. Think less T-72, and imagine if THAT and an Bradley IFV had a baby. Drop the idea of heavy steel armor and look at something like Patlabor- the police 'mechs weren't too tall and a large portion was encased in fabric. Logically, it makes more sense to have softer, projectile-resistant armor rather than the heavy stuff we see on tanks or APCs. Streamline it. A semi and a sports car are both run on gasoline, but only one looks clunky. Just because it's running on a diesel engine doesn't mean big, smoky exhaust pipes. In fact, if your diesel exhaust is black, you need to be pimpslapped.

>>9051918

Sir, I don't know what you're implying, but every sane American worth his salt would throw his lot in with the Constitutionalists. They know what's right for this country, and it doesn't involve Communists or goddamn Nazis. Equality in death!

Necrolord Teddy Roosevent: The overall leader of the Constitutionalists. Because no-one ever wants to fuck with him.

He'll TRUST BUST your entire MORTALITY!

>>9051922
That's the idea of the Soviet armor I want to maintain. Which is why I'm so fond of >>9050507.

>>9052045

Good slogan, but come on, man. Washington. Fucking Washington.

>This thread

>>9052110

Washington is a great guy, but does he carry a big stick?

>>9052137
He has a hatchet. He'll bury you with it.

>>9052110
All the major US politicians are summoned individually, the main goal of the Constitutionalists being to combine the politicians into an eldritch god of untold dead horrors. The Soviets and Nazis are keen on insuring this never happens.

>>9052137

No. But he does carry a gun, and he'll use it to murder you in the night on Christmas. Only president that pretty much everyone agrees was the best for the job. He held us together when we were on the verge of splitting into 13 different nations. The list goes on and on. Don't get me wrong; I think that Teddy is awesome. He's just that down-to-earth sort of awesome, not the awe-inspiring reverent sort of awesome.

>>9052123

Might as well name it nofun.jpg, unless I'm misinterpreting it.

>>9052224

It's a slapfight between Patton and Rommel.

I also have Teddy vs Bismark.

>>9052264

And another variation on the first.

>>9052194
Which is precisely why Teddy would make a practical nightmarish eldritch horror commander to have active most of the time.

>>9052472

That I'll agree with. There's a difference between most active leader and overall leader. I think Washington should be the overall leader, but he wouldn't speak much and would rarely lead, but when he chose to get personally involved it means that shit just got real. Teddy would be more suited to bombastically leading the charge, fighting the good fight, and all that, while Washington would quietly lead the organization as a whole. Lincoln would be a good public face, Jefferson would be the ideas-horror, and Jackson would be the uncontrollable ravening ghoul.

All badass presidents ever > Hitler/Android Stalin Trotsky Lenen

>>9052640
Considering Hitler at this point is basically an invalid, that's not saying much.

>>9052640
You are now envisioning an epic battle between MechaLeninStalinTrotsky, Demonically-Infused Hitler, and eldritch undead horror American presidents.

And it is amazing.

>>9052681

Sir, that vision has been playing in the back of my mind this entire thread.

>>9052681

I must head to sleep, but it will be in my dreams.

And it will be glorious.

Well, sirs, that brings me to a conclusion of another fine Deathworld Earth thread. While the name may be lacking, it has done its duty: to burst out of nowhere and fuck up shitty troll attempts.

Gentlemen, I bid you good evening.

Okay here is a summary of things as they are now. I refer only to changes from the original summary.
>>9044932
>>9044947
>>9044963
>>9044977
>>9044985
>>9045071
America: Nothing much has changed since the first summary. Constitutionalists move up a set number of tiers from living agents and slaves to undead abominations. The consensus about the magic system seems to be that it is genetic unless some external source grants magical prowess as a boon. What this means for the Constitutionalists is that most of their living agents are non-magical (with an odd cult leader here or there possessing magical skill) and most of the sentient undead possessing magical ability. The exact time when America fell is uncertain allowing for presidents up till Nixon or even possibly Reagan to be thrown into the Founding Lords pot (although the DM might want to use the later president as twisted Messianic Figures of the Constitutionalists).

Soviets: Still tech based. Heavy industrial overtones for their gear, power armor troops are available but not prevalent. Who is leading them is still unclear, could be a gestalt mind composed of Lenin/Stalin/Trotsky or a sort of counsel of the three with Lenin serving as tie breaker.

Nazi Germany: Basically unchanged with some more depth added to their social system. Specifically the strong divide between Aryan and non-Aryan citizens. Aryan mages become a sort of nobility/upper-class while non-Aryan mages become mindless half-man half-demon super soldiers.

Australia: Nothing much new added.

Britain: completely reworked. They now are the survivors of the Nazi invasion living on a submarine. The Queen has been possessed by the Fae and is aided by an illusionist named Jasper Maskelyne. Their endgame has been made uncertain but the submarines culture seems to draw heavily on a Camelot-ish society with feral scots men haunting the lower decks and just waiting for victims.

Japan: still undecided.

China: Also seems undecided with it bouncing between a magic heavy country to a technocracy similar to the soviets. (personally the magic seems to contradict the Soviets style so if they are going to be allied/subservient to the Soviets they should heavily toward tech over magic but that is just my opinion.)

Finland: Conquered by the Soviets but the residents have become expert killers. More like ghosts then men, they slaughter any Soviet soldier who wanders to far from their fellows. Mentioned only in whispers by Soviets forced to serve there for fear of drawing a Fin's attention to them.

>>9052940
We do need a better name for it, though. Deathworld Earth is pretty descriptive, but it's lacking some oomph.

>>9053015

I'm not entirely sure we agreed upon the Finland bit.

>>9053116
I'm down with it. It'd be interesting for a story if a British commando was sent to go and try to secure an alliance with them

>>9053116
It was kind of passed over as a "sure, whatever, we'll come back to it" deal

>>9053287
I do like the idea of the Finns as ghostly remnant killing machines. They're too small in number and resources to actually cause major damage to the Soviet war machine but they're nearly impossible to catch or kill and make operations in Finland a nightmare for the soldiers there.

>>9053496
Sure, whatever. We'll come back to it.

>>9053515
>>9053496
Somewhat strange that the Soviets can take on eldritch horrors conjured up by the Nazis and have fistfights between mecha Trotsky and undead Roosevelt, but they can't take on a few potshots from an annexed nation. Yes, I know the Fins did awesome against the Soviets and Nazis irl, doesn't necessarily translate to them being untouchable if the entirety of North America gets crushed.

>>9053654
Its far too late to be questioning logic. This story is running on pure rule of cool at this point

>>9053654
Then the Finns stepped their shit up in response. Who the fuck knows? It's not a big deal regardless.

>>9053654
>>9053496
Maybe they actually ARE ghosts. Finland as a nightmarish frozen wasteland inhabited only by the defiant dead.

>>9054058
MEAN WHILE IN FINLAND...

Names for this?
- Necrotic World War
- Necrosis Earth
- something of that ilk?

>>9055111
Necrosis/necrotic/whatever as a name theme doesn't really fit most of the major powers, though.