FUCK YEAH!

Oh god posting in an epic thread.

This is going to end badly, I can tell already.

Sweet! I finally get to do this!

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8515581
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8526381
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8538520
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8562185
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8598508
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8606900
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8618962
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8633908
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8651744
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8663665
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8671001
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8690201
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8711026
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8750800
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8764141
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8787569
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8825955
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8962834

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Mercenaries_and_planes

Ah. I have been waiting for this.

... I really have. It's almost 6 AM, too. Jeeze.

>flanker.jpg

Are you trying to score points with Sukhoi op?

lol, the truck was like /tg/s favourite stratagey that night

The anticipation is already killing me

FUCK SHIT COCKS

>>9028091
Oh god is that a Sukhoi raping an F-15?

WHAT HAS AERONAUTICS DONE!

>>9028144
... err... you haven't been following the earlier threads, have you?

>>9028282
No...
What happened?

I believe you wanted this drawn in the last thread?

>>9028311

We decided to plan our flight south of Georgia, and come in from Armenia. Hugs told us an idea, and we asked Steve about the viability, and suddenly, I had a new job. It would require some luck, but it might pay off. I changed the loadout of my plane, and took off with Hugs, towards the south. Sandy, Judge and Scotch all took off about thirty minutes later, when they got the call from us, and took off towards Armenia, planning to angle North once they got the signal from me. Hugs and myself were hugging an airliner, which was oblivious to us. So far, everything was going well. Our airliner (we knew) was flight planned south of Georgia, landing Munich. I told my backseater to start the plan. About a minute later, we knew this was going to work.

>>9028352
That is by far my favorite of all the logos so far.

>>9028311
Somebody posted the OP Picture for Sukhoi a few threads ago.

>>9028390
Wait, OP! What happened to Buscuit? Did he get to roll a new character, or is he just...gone, replaced by the new player Judge?

>>9028440
"The Judge" Judge is Biscuits player

>>9028423
Who is Sukhoi?

>>9028482
Never mind, I'm an idiot, sukhoi wrote one of the stories.

>>9028502
>>9028482
Less stupid, more writing. WHAT HAPPENED?

>>9028390
>Munich

This is going to end with dead Israeli athletes and the Mossad after your ass, isn't it?

>>9028502
>>9028482
Yeah, she wrote one of the writefaggotries about you bombing a hospital.

Remi. Never forget.

>>9028564
Oh shit.

>>9028472
Huh...I thought you said "Judge" was a new player. I.e. new person joining the group.
>>9028564
Why would Israelis be in Georgia?

>>9028661

Munich. Bombing. Google it.

>>9028682
Oh, I was thinking of Germany.

>>9028661
Munich Massacre of Isreali athletes, bro.

We were suddenly getting hit by a lot of radars. We kept following the aircraft above us, and I relayed some information to Hugs, who copied it down, and turned south slightly. I got the ok from my backseater, and shifted to follow hugs in close formation. The airliner continued on it's flight path, now heading towards Georgia, thanks to the GPS exploit my electronic warfare pod had done on it's autopilot/nav system. My e/w pod was jamming the radio frequency used by ATC. Meanwhile, Hugs had turned on his IFF, set to the same code as the Airliners transponder, and was now flying towards the original flight plan route. We started tracking all the search and fire control radars that were hunting the off course airliner, as we flew, mostly unmolested by that same tracking system.

>>9028661
To stop the Texans

>>9028742
THIS POST APPROVED BY URSUKAR CREED

>>9028770
Let's keep 40k out of these threads... They're too awesome to be spoiled by it.

>>9028742
I have no idea what this means... Any smart anon care to translate?

>>9028352
That's pretty cool!

>>9028806
They tricked the airliner's navigation system into sending the plane the wrong way. Meanwhile, Hugs' plane is pretending to be the airliner on its way in towards the target.

>>9028742
BWAHA HA HA!
Your atrocities are all made up for by your electronic warfare genius.

I missed the last thread, what is the mission this time?

>>9028905
Is this Hugs plan? Because it is fucking GENIUS!

>>9028912
See:
>>9028126

So, this means you guys want more rule 34 on the mercs, right?

Right?

>>9028977
Opgets to decide if it is canon, but it was good for a laugh.

What system are you guys using? Mercenary Air Squadron?

>>9028977
I'd like to know why the Sukhoi pilot was American and Baron, the F-4 pilot, was apparently Russian.

>>9029007
Oh dear Yeager no. Read the previous threads -- they're using a modified version of Air War C21 with homebrewed RPG rules from the Great GM Steve.

>>9028929
How is leading a Civilian airliner into the jaws of an air defense network a genius plan? I smell collateral damage.

>>9029008
1d4chan says that Baron is German, and Sandman was American.

I wanted one of the pilots to be American, gay, and have been kicked out of badass fightar piloting because of Don't Ask Don't Tell. For extra gayness. So I went with Baron + Sandman.

>>9029037
The genius part is that the attack plane is coming in as a civilian airliner.

And this is the same squadron that's blown up random bicycles, a hospital, and the Queen Victoria. "Collateral damage" and "target practice" are probably synonyms to them by now.

>>9029037
Easy. Big fat airliner goes through Georgian space. It gets hit by every search radar along the way, but nobody shoots because the thing is either a really slow moving bomber or it's a passenger jet.

Meanwhile Hugs looks like a passenger jet to Air Traffic Control and is going along a certain route to the target. The Georgians will see the real passenger jet as "hey, unknown plane in our territory, let's all go over here and check it out."

However, on radar along the attack route, Hugs will also look like a passenger plane. He probably will either be ignored or not shot at.

>>9029063
Good show. It's a gay system.
Heh.

And here I was hoping they'd be dropping truck parts.

>>9029252
Sweet jesus, it's our anon drawfag!

WE LOVE YOU!

>>9029252
Nice art!

Hugs called, telling me that he had two heat sources approaching the airliner, at speed, from the rear. His IR system punched back an image, and he correctly identified them as F-16s. We continued on our way, with Hugs watching the intercept. The F-16s spent some time behind the airliner, but then one drew up beside it. He lost tack at that point, as they moved out of range of his IRST system. Our last track on them put them in the right spot though, so we called to the ground strike force, and told them their mission was now a go. They were very low, and began their run towards the hydro plant, with Sandy in the lead. Ten miles out, Sandy executed a sharp pop-up maneuver, and his RIO turned on the FLIR pod strapped to the belly.

(Nice truck bomb photo! I love it!)

>>9029319
Hey! I made art too!
Last thread. <_<

Ze Germans

Sukhoi made this.

Which I shamelessly stole to make this.

I may not be nearly as awesome as that anon drawfag but at least I did somethin'.

Sandy made his roll, and illuminated a truck sitting in the parking lot near the hydro building. Scotch was first over the target, and dumped both his Laser guided russian special bombs. Next over the target was Judge, who actually missed with about half his strike, wasting a lot of ordnance on the resevoir. The other half peppered the hydro building. Sandy had rolled over, completing the maneuver, aimed at the hydro building (on fire now) upside down. He rolled out, and released his payload, raining destruction over the damaged building. All three of them continued down the valley, turning five miles later, heading around towards Armenia again. Hugs and myself started blowing chaff from our countermeasure packs, and started a fast dive towards the ground. That's when Sandy paid for skimping on maintenance. On his high speed run, his engine broke down, with oil and temp warnings blaring in his cockpit.

>>9029486
Somethings wrong... There was no collateral damage. No air defense of the hydro plant.

AND FALCONS? WHAT THE FUCK? FROM WHERE!

>>9029486
Yeah, that's kind of the downside of operating in Russia.

>>9029533
Russia imports it's jet fuel since it's own fuel has impurities, such as dirt, metal filings, twigs and leaves.

>>9029486
Tell me he has more than one engine. Sandy is...the F-111, yes?

>>9029560
Oddly enough, that's pretty much the same as their vodka.

Except the jet fuel is probably lower proof.

Fuck. I wanted to go to bed early tonight. WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN?!?!

Noooo Sandy!

>>9029636
Russian Crews know this. If there diesel electric subs needed more oomph, the engineers would pour vodka into the fuel stream, gave the engines something like a 10% boost in power, sustainable only in short bursts.

>>9029584
Yeah, Sandman.

Actually, all the planes except Scotch's are twin engines.

>>9029486
I smell marketing strategy. Maintenance crew "encouraged an accident", for an opportunity to get the rich foreign pilot to buy local.

>>9029664
So if the vodka was poured into the engineers instead, would they gain the same 10% boost in power?

>>9029749
Surprisingly, no.

>>9029749
Since they're on a sub, yes. The captain may have developed a resistance, though.

>>9029798
>>9029834
We seem to lack consensus.

I propose the following experiment: we purchase a Russian sub and a crew for it, then methodically test different vodkas for their effects on mechanical and crew effectiveness. It's the only answer.

>>9029955
I... I'm gonna rub my cum in yo' burn scars!

>>9029955
Can we have a control group drinking Budweiser?

>>9030012

Water would be cheaper and would have the same effect.

>>9030004
GIVE ME THE CHOCOLATE, HISAO

>>9030012
Only if you want to do a secondary experiment on what happens if you give Budweiser to a group of Russians.

I'd recommend downing a few shots of Everclear and then collecting your piss instead, it would probably get a better reception.

>>9030046
C-C-C CUM BUCKETS!!!

Heh...I was wondering if i'd missed the mission report. Guess I haven't. Lucky me.

We were still a ways out, Sandy throttle back immediately, and changed course, heading straight south. He started a slow climb, so if his other engine failed, he could glide for a while. The other two strike aircraft rocketed back to base, while I followed. Hugs flew to Sandy, and began escorting him, using his IR tracker instead of his Radar to search for problems. They both turned left towards home base once they were in Armenia, Sandy nursing his remaining engine, (essentially paying little to no attention to his other instruments). Hugs then spotted something on the IR track, fairly hot, moving towards them at speed, from Georgia.

>>9030285
>ugs then spotted something on the IR track, fairly hot, moving towards them at speed, from Georgia.

Smells like steve.

>>9030285
Shoot it down!

I'd think that with Steve, the squad would have learned by now to get eyeballs on a target before letting go of the ordinance.

>>spotted something on the IR track, fairly hot, moving towards them at speed, from Georgia.

well this could get ugly fast.

>>9030399
>>9030358
FUCK! What is the ROE?

>>9030358
>essentially paying little to no attention to his other instruments
Smells like trouble. Big trouble.

>>9030422
Fire if fired upon, or in protection of the secrecy of the mission.

>>9030508
In other words "If it sees you, KILL IT DEAD".

I love these threads so much.

Yay! A new, real thread! And a story! And drawfaggotry! And logos! And Flanker love!

It's like Christmas and Sex and Chocolate and a 7 gee turn all rolled into one!

>>9030609
SSCCRREEEEEEEEWWWWWWW YYYOOOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!!!!
Man I nearly cried when I read that mission.

That is excellent art, though!

>>9030724
>7 gee
>rolled
Hi Sukhoi!

>>9030609
Fuck awesome mate.

>>9029486
You get rid of zat troublesome American over-engineered crap, and buy somethink from Russian with love, da?

>>9030609
I kind of wish you said Standard Operating Procedure! instead of Fuck Yeah!, but still great art.

>>9030767
I cried as well. Tears of laughter.

Baron: TWO DIRECT HITS ON THE ENEMY CARRIER!
Radio: This is the MS Queen Victoria, we are on fire, Oh god, people are screaming, the ship is breaking up! Dead bodies are raining from the sky! OH THE HUMANITY!
Baron: Uhhhh... Shit.

>>9028091
>plane porn
Holy amazing.

>>9030860
I'm not afraid to admit I wouldn't mind being the Eagle in that photo.

>>9030878
...
...uh

Anyway, how about that Sukhoi PAK FA?

>>9030878
It's a cute idea, isn't it?
I could take the role of the Sukhoi.

>>9030878
You are very weird...

>>9030909
Sukhoi IS female. You know this, yes?

>>9030893

>>9030921
Wait, what?

Less gawking more F-16 shooting.

Damn it I was supposed to be asleep an hour and a half ago.

>>9031025
Israeli immigrant's got a green card. Let him through.

Hugs kept an eye on it, but it became clear that they weren't going to escape it. Sandy altered course a bit, but it did as well. It was still unknown, since Hugs didn't have the altitude advantage for his ir track (higher, colder air improved it apparently) but it wasn't radiating. The only radar was ground based, search radar, no actual fire control. Hugs wasn't sure, so he descended to ground level, and Sandman decided to play it cool, flipping on nav lights. The target closed, looking to arrive behind Sandy. As it pulled in closer, Hugs got a good look at it finally, it was an F-5. Hugs relayed this to Sandy who wasn't too happy about it. They quickly decided there was only one course of action. Sandy hit his radio jammer, and Hugs looked up, targeted the F-5, and blasted two Archers at it. The F-5 was caught by surprise. No flares, nothing. It took both Archers, blowing itself to pieces. Hugs stayed low, and Sandy continued on. We expected something else, but nothing ever showed up. We all landed safely. We asked Steve, and he said that the mission would have been a lot harder if we hadn't messed up the airliner's nav system. He didn't tell us how much harder though. We do know where a lot of Radar sites are though now. What we don't know is where these planes are from, they're not Georgian air force.

Hum dee dum. The anticipation is killing me.

>>9031078

I fully expect shit to get real on your next sortie because of that.

>>9031078
With the Mission Comprete, I'm going to bed.

Good pay, Baron!
See y'all later.

>>9031078

It's probably another mercenary group, paid to kill you.

>>9031078
I'm assuming you never actually got close enough to the Falcons to ID their nation of origin. It would suck to see this plastered on the wings, because then who the fuck knows what's out there lurking.

>>9031078
Well, you've taken a whiz in someone's tea with the F-5. Another merc company, or NATO? Better hope not the latter.

Air Kills
Hugs: 1xNorthrop F-5
Air Incidentals: DLH983 flight diverted and force to land in Tblisi after violating Georgian airspace and being intercepted. Pilots detained by Georgian Intelligence service, plane impounded by Georgian Air Force pending investigation.
Ground Kills
The Judge: Hydro Facility
Sandman: Hydro Facility
Scotch: Truck (Hydro Facility)

Ground Incidentals
The Judge: Family of ducks, gardening shed
All three: Hydro workers (34)
Damage Taken
Sandman: Failed Oil Pump, minor engine overheat damage.

>>9031155
>>9031164
Who flies F5s? And F-16s?

>gardening shed

Noooooooooooooooooo

>>9031078
Apparently the only people in that neighborhood currently operating F-5s are the Turks and the Iranians. Given the airspace you were in at that point, I'm betting it was Turkish.

Congratulations, you just dragged in NATO.

>>9031193
Why would a Turkish F-5 be in Georgian Airspace?

>>9031165
>Air Incidentals: DLH983 flight diverted and force to land in Tblisi after violating Georgian airspace and being intercepted. Pilots detained by Georgian Intelligence service, plane impounded by Georgian Air Force pending investigation.

Beautiful.

>>9031188
That does it. I am now convinced OP's group is "Top Gear: Air Farce"

Op, be proud! Don't knock success!

>>9031230
My thoughts exactly.

>>9031213
Following the airliner track, maybe? Or just operating over Georgia in the absence of a Georgian Air Force?

Because the Georgians don't have F-16s or F-5s. Not unless they bought them at some point in Steve's setting, and given the degree to which that would piss off Russia I don't think they'd risk it.

>>9031193
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? They're screwed, sure, but think of the badassery they can rush headfirst into again! Twelve harriers? That was warm-up!

>>9031184
Your choices: Turks, the US, another merc air force. There are other NATO members who operate both F-5s and F-16s, but if they were deploying in eastern Turkey you'd probably have heard something about the upcoming war.

>>9031165

>Family of ducks, gardening shed

I like how the company has done an insane job to make the debriefing. I'm thinking of obsessed agents who have to track down EVERYTHING.

>>9031314
This is something rather different.

This is "could start a for-real shooting war between major countries".

This is also "up against planes that aren't shit". And probably with competent pilots to boot.

>>9031357

What BREED of ducks were they?

>>9031375
Muscovy.

>>9031375
Roasted Duck a L'Ordanance.

>>9030878

>>9028352

I like this. Its a lot better than mine from last time... :D

Steve said he'd have a new mission for us some time tommorow. I'm heading off to bed now.

I think I'll use the cash I earned to maybe upgrade my Phantom's air Radar and Bomb computer. It's expensive, but cheaper than a new plane.

Successful mission was successful. Night people.

>>9031505
There's a catch, there's something we are missing here.

>>9031524

This, I wouldn't be surprised if we get P&M XX tomorrow only to find out that the F-5 was actually filled with boy scouts and puppies.

Well done OP!

First time you guys have nailed a mission since the Morrocan Air Force one!

>Ground Incidentals
>The Judge: Family of ducks

YOU MONSTER

>>9031524
The catch is that the only organization likely to be operating both F-5s or F-16s in or near Georgian airspace, aside from a different group of mercs, is the Turkish Air Force.

Which ultimately means NATO.

>>9031660
How do they get such good intel after a mission, but such shit intel before a mission?

>>9031684

Because the intel department is still busy finding the serial number/brand/year of production of destroyed bicycles from the last mission.

>>9031803
heh.

Just read the mission report, how does an F-5 compare with Ops group? Or the F016s?

>>9031913
well the flanker can tear them to bits, the F-4 will have trouble with the F-16.

the rest, i have no idea.

>>9031499

You've got a discount on Russian gear at the moment, and I'm not sure how compatible Russian electronics will be with your F-4. Plus, this incident with Georgia looks like it might involve some seriously modern equipment if/when it escalates. I'd say now is the time to trade up to a different plane before you end up like poor Biscuit.

>>9032216
At the very least invest in a better parachute than Biscuit.

>>9032464
Knee-slapping funny. Almost as funny as the irony in his callsign, and his end. It'd been even better if it was "pancake".

>>9032464

Biscuit's parachute had a bunch of shrapnel holes torn through it.

>>9032216
>I'd say now is the time to trade up to a different plane
Why am I getting the image of some poor American airframe stuffed full of Russian electronics gear and turned into an airborne Frankenstein?
And why am I liking this idea?

>...before you end up like poor Biscuit.
Biscuit'd. I like this too. It's got utility.

>>9032464
That's cold, man.

Damn, I missed the majority of the thread, Curse Night school!

As for the F-5, I'm thinking it might be another PMC.

The mission went so well it was almost boring. Then again that was a brilliant bit of trickery with the airliner.

Awww come on guys, have some more respect for Biscuit.

>>9032625
F-5's and F-16's... the enemy's shown only light fighters this far. Wonder if they could abuse this somehow.

>>9032216

What would be comparable to the super bug from the russians?

SU-35???

Looks like the thread is done of the night, ah well. Hopefully it'll be around come morning.

>>9033449
did anyone archive it?

>>9030878

WHORE.

I love how Steve goes into detail with all the little gizmos. I mean cold affine IR sensors, GPS-hacks... That's the stuff they leave out on the news.

Alas, missed another Merc Air thread. At least it's still here.

So sad to hear OP again wants to stick with the Phantom and overhaul it. It's a classic, no doubt, but it's big and heavy and only flies straight lines. The more upgrades it gets, the harder it's going to be to let go. And it HAS to go. An F-16 can fly circles around it.

I like the Super Bug. And I like the big Russians. My heart bleeds for the F-4, but this isn't the setting for it. Baron needs some Red to his name!

I vote Turkey for the bogeys, and I expect there will be more- Georgia probably sacrifices some sovereign airspace in exchange for protection. Turkey is backed by NATO and used to Russian bear-growls, also it cannot resist it's own machismo- Even if they just fly recon above Georgia they're an effective deterrent, they never have to fire a single shot (unless there's a false flag operation in the area of course...).

>>9036339

OP's F-4 is a hell of a lot more advanced than the F-4s that flew over Vietnam in the 70's. He'll be fine.

>>9036426
You can overhaul avionics, but the airframe is what it is, and it just doesn't turn well.

>>9036339
MiG-35 seems like a alright plane for OP if he wants to get the Russian discount.....

that said a growler wired super bug opens up a whole new world of ECM related dickery.

>>9036954
MiG-35 will be quite expensive, and it's a small plane compared to the F-4. One of the Flankers might suit OP, they can carry surprising amounts of air to ground. And the F-18 is also a halfway decent choice as well. I'm working on the assumption that the newest 4.5 and 5th gen fighters are still out of price range.

>>9037004

What if he swapped to a Su-32 Fullback? It's an Aardvark, but slavshit- best of both worlds!

>>9037004
fair call, but he was looking at a super bug earlier, suggesting that he almost had the money for a 4.5 jet.

also holy shit at the mig-35s cost... you can almost by a Rafale for that much....

>>9037050
Calling a Super Hornet a 4.5 gen aircraft is an insult to 4.5 gen aircraft.

Since they're working for the Russians, maybe ask Steve if a FlatPack is available.

>>9037095
Hey no disagreements here, i nearly cried when my countries airforce brought them :(

i mean the F-35, yeah, i can see why. but the super bug was just blatant sucking up to the US.

also the flatpack? why not just get the PAK FA?

>>9037129
PAK-FA probably costs a ton, the Flatpack is probably gathering dust in a warehouse somewhere. My guess is getting a flatpack would be easier.

>>9036234
;)

4.5th gen is a bullshit term anyway. They're all glorified Eagles, Flankers and similar dated crap.

>>9037153
really?

>>9037153

Not to mention Rafales, Typhoons, and Grippens! Old planes are ollllld!

>>9037153
'Dated crap' is all that's on the bankroll for OP again's aces. If they could buy a carrier group with several wings of Raptors and JSFs they would.

Then again, with those kind of funds you can just purchase the orbital laser and run the missions from home.

Morning People.

I agree that the F4 is quickly becoming a second rate aircraft compared to the opposition that OP's flight is encountering. What he should replace it with though is obviously still up in the air and isn't a very easy decision as we can obviously see. Russian equipment would probably be the best bet at the moment simply due to its availability and the fact that it would bring the squad that much closer to single nation aircraft use.

>>9037150
wouldnt that make spare parts a bitch? i mean i love the idea but i cant see it working

Op, trade with Judge, become the second Air Soup member. Get pic related.

>>9037466
Why would he get a MiG-25? Thing is outdated 20 years ago.

>>9037442
So far the supply situation is from deepest Fantasy-land.
The mix of equipment they use and ordnance they deliver would be a challenge to a military operation on it's home base. A merc outfit being able to keep up with those maintenance demands is hard to imagine in the real world.

>>9036339

I said it before and I'm willing to bet it again that Op is most likely to be going against another merc outfit here. The F-16s alone would make me start to think that a NATO nation is involved but the lone F-5 is too odd.

It's also unfortunate that they had to kill that F-5.
Someone is going to wonder what happened with their fighter and at the very least they are going to know their is somebody out there in the sky who is extremely hostile.

>>9037701
Yeah, as Sukhoi puts it, they'll be operating in an "Active Radar Environment"

Don't want to get pounced by an unseen enemy again.

>>9036339
The F-4 isn't bad as long as op doesn't try to take a frontline air superiority role. It's carrying capacity is still hard to match. As long as op continues to upgrade the electronics he can be a very effective support/bvr and weapons specialist platform. Just leave the dogfighting work to those better suited for it.
I think op's upgraded radar is a great idea, especially since he has a backseater to run it. If he could get a SU-30's N011M set adapted to his plane he could act as an effectiv 'Mini-Awacs' for the squadron

>>9037701
Another merc outfit also makes sense to me. Georgia's putting what money it has into army upgrades, so hiring a merc unit for short term air superiority help makes sense.
Of course, these means their probably going to take losses much more personally than a national force. I'd ask steve about looking over the defenses for your base

I hear a lot of criticism of the Flanker and the Super Bug. But I don't hear constructive suggestions. Getting the second best Russia has to offer at cost seems like a good deal to me.

I can't find any prices or purchasing rules in the AW-C21 rules, and MAS has only 6 or so price levels with no finer resolution. So I'm assuming Steve handles prices and availability with his independent sources.

>>9037153
That is a glass half full or empty situation. The definition of 4.5gen is 4th generation jets retrofitted to keep up with shifting battle expectations. Dismissing that as crap leaves 5h generation aircraft, which are not available or out of fiscal reach.

>>9037587
Why would you get a Mig? There's Sukhois to be had.

>>9037701
I like the idea for plot reasons. However F-5s were herded into the market like Zerglings, they are popular trainers, training OPFOR, test aircraft, even interceptors in many nations on a budget. I wouldn't put it beyond Turkey, Georgia, or any nation in the region to operate a few.

>>9037901
From an RPG perspective the F-4's retro charme is quickly fading. And don't tell me the Super Bug couldn't do that too, if not even better.

>>9037938
>And don't tell me the Super Bug couldn't do that too, if not even better.

this is why im pushing a growler wired super bug as a good idea (despite my hate for the super hornet) being a ECM/SEAD/Mutlirole guy could only be a good thing

>>9037978
I hear you. I was the first one to mention the Growler after OP thought about the Super Hornet last week. She's old, but she holds true. Most versatile thing I've heard mentioned in any thread so far.

Question for OP, who is the richest of you right now? If you get kill bonuses, isn't Hugs swimming in cash?

Some of the better options I can think of for OP to swap out for, considering he is multi-role with a slight emphasis on EW and ground attack...

Top Tier: Su-34, Su-30M, F-15E, Tornado, F/A-18, F-14
Mid Tier: Su-24, MiG-29M2/MiG-35, F-16
Low Tier: EA-6/A-6, A-7, MiG-23

>>9038099
F-14 shouldn't be on that list, Tornado is mid tier at best, Mig-35 would be top tier.

>>9037938

True, the F-5 could have been owned by anyone but the way it showed up was too strange. The timing of it along with the appearance of F-16s is real alarming as well.

The main reason I believe these fighters wouldn't belong to a NATO nation is that if they truly were NATO the Russians would have known about it. You don't put troops in a nation to keep another from attacking it and don't tell anyone unless you are looking for a excuse to go to war.

>>9038125
Parts for an F-14 would be questionable at best, but I'm not the GM. Later F-14s had good radar capability, strike aircraft capability, and substantial range and lift capability. Given, their short-range dogfighting leaves something to be desired.

MiG-35 should be top tier. I thought she was a single-seater bird. And the Tornado...somewhere between mid and top tier.

>>9038125
I dunno, the F-14 is a capable bird, if upgraded it could take OP far. also DAT RADAR.

>>9038208
Op said somewhere that each aircraft had a baseline maintenance cost, that they paid every week or so, they could pay at cost, or 1.25 for better maintenance, or .85 for less maintenance.

>>9036478

Turn performance isn't that terribly important; there are plenty of ACM maneuvers that will let a pilot out-turn a more nimble enemy- and to my everlasting joy, Air War C.21 has rules to emulate them.

>>9037978

And we hate the Super Hornet why...?

>>9038319

Because American.

And Russia Strong!

>>9038319
A: It isn't the F-14 B: Range C: Performance is a bit meh. D: Can't carry a large payload. E: isnt the F-14

Don't get me wrong, most of my butthurt is from the RAAF picking it up for stupid reasons and it replacing the tomcat. But I also honestly think its a rather substandard jet compared to its stablemates. That said for what OP is currently doing i can see the growler doing a superb job.

>>9038319

I'm not crazy over the Super Hornet, but I don't think it deserves all the shit its getting in this thread.

>>9038441
F-18 pilots have no friends.

>>9038440

>Isn't the F-14, Isn't the F-14, Isn't the F-14

Pic HIGHLY related. I expected something along the lines of "they weighed it down now it sucks" which is sometimes, but not always, a valid argument (IIRC they boosted the Super Hornet's engine power considerably to compensate for the added weight.) I, too, loathe and hate the retirement of the F-14, because, you know, it was the F-14.

If it's range is STILL lackluster after the upgrades and size increase, then Navy, I AM DISAPPOINT.

>>9038528
Her range isn't a dream, but she can carry a lot of fuel in CFTs and drop tanks. Hell's Black Aces can usually buy AAR support. Range has never been an issue in Steve's missions. The Growler is not Strike Eagle, and it doesn't try to be.

>>9038616
Range has been iffy a few times, however, the new operations area is so small, it won't be.

>>9038653
They carried buddy tanks twice. I wouldn't call that much of an issue.

>>9038682
They had a Midas with them on one mission.

Okay OP again. There's a few things we need from you.

First and foremost of course Steve's custom rules.

A summary for Gold Rush would be nice.

The version of Judge's Fulcrum in the Air War rule context.

Stats for the Viggen.

And there was talk of a new player. What's the status there?

>>9038528
Good to see someone else with some love for the F-14.

>>9038616
no doubt that the extra tanks help, but that eats into how much bombs/dickery/missiles you can carry.

and im not knocking the growler as a choice, its benefits far out weigh the super bugs disadvantages and would add a huge capability to OP's flight.

>>9038779
Tom Cruise ruined the Tomcat for me. Just feels gay now.

>>9038864
Fly an A-4 then. The Man's choice.

>>9038880
I see you are a man of reason. Pray then let's discuss this issue in detail...

>>9038902

>>9038880
I salute you sir. Your choice of aircraft inspires me and warms my heart.

As much as I love 50s Jet era. I don't think its practical.


Then again you're probably not being serious anyways.

>>9039120
Shiny!

>>9038504
heh, just re-watched that episode.

Wonder what the cock-o-meter would register for OPs planes...

>>9039120
On the contrary if i'd been in OP's game i'd still be flying my Israeli A4N...if i hadn't gotten it shot out from under me by this point that is.

>>9039461
You'd be the little bomb truck that could!

>>9028977

More 34 would be nice, but you need to make it a _lot_ more homoerotic or it won't feel like Top Gun.

>>9039536
I want more 34 like the original pic!

>>9039583

this

>>9038144
The thing is that Turkey is known to operate both the F-16 and the F-5 as active duty platforms (while the US Navy and Marines still have some F-5s, those are all permanently attached to CONUS bases for use in aggressor training), has reason to be in the area, and is likely to have been called in by Georgia to help in the absence of a native Georgian air force.

I want less 34. Far, far less.

>>9039699

if Turkey gets involved things could become very shithouse for OP's fight very quickly.

What is the Russian end goal here?

>>9039521
Indeed...and i probably could have delivered em on target better and more accurately than the big tanks OP's group is driving.

A4s were given preference in CAS missions in Nam cause the air controllers knew the pilots could get on the approach line perfectly with what amounted to a flick of the wrist and drop em right in the pickle barrel...unlike the faster less maneuverable F4s and 104s

>>9039765
Was it ever discussed what the Russians are looking to accomplish?

>>9039879
A 'maskirovka' was mentioned, but I have no clue what that means, some type of dance party?

>>9040002

IIRC 'maskirovka' means ruse, or camouflage.

This is typical. We are trying to prepare op and group, with suggestions. And we have no clue what the big picture here is.

>>9040120
This is why the F-4 should stay. It can do everything.

I support the Flatpack idea.

Why haven't you guys gone to /k/ yet?

>>9040175
No, it's ugly.

>>9040002
God bless wikipedia

Military deception is an attempt to amplify, or create an artificial fog of war or to mislead the enemy using psychological operations, information warfare and other methods. As a form of strategic use of information (disinformation), it overlaps with psychological warfare. To the degree that any enemy that falls for the deception will lose confidence when it is revealed, he maylitary deception hesitate when confronted with the truth.

When referring to military deception in military doctrines of the Soviet Union and Russia, the Russian loanword maskirovka (literally: camouflage, concealment) is sometimes used.

Basically, they've been hired to troll with the locals using their planes, so that they don't have a clue what's really going down when the Russians spring the big show.

>>9040239
>Russians spring the big show.

Which is what?

>>9040252

>>9040252
My guess is some operation against Georgia.

>>9040191

Because /k/ is terrible.

I can't help but expect Kyrgyzstan to show up in Steve's campaign any day now.

>>9040498
They're cooking up a civil war right this moment, for all those who have no decent news program to watch.

>>9040540
Steve is Canadian, so I'm thinking he knows.

>>9040540
yeah i gotta hunt online for news thats worth while. My american news options are piss poor and are mostly just concerned with Tiger Woods or some such.

Side question people...where do you get your world news online?

>>9040649

Google News always has the skinny.

>>9040649
Internation Herald Tribune:
http://www.iht.com

The Economist:
http://www.economist.com/

>>9040002
>>9040047
maskirovka = masquerade

but you're basically right. In this context it would be a ruse, a trick, a deception.

>>9040649
Reuters
BBC
Al-Jazeera

>>9039583
>>9039716
Oh dear. Took me a while of pondering to realize that the "34" wasn't a plane.

Silly me.

>>9040878
What the fuck is up with the nose on that thing?

>>9037938
I guess it comes down to a difference in viewpoints then. Granted the Super Bug could fill the same roles, but where you seem to view it as why not upgrade, I see it as why upgrade? Instead of putting the money in a new plane, why not upgrade the current F4 and put the money into better weapons.

It's an advanced Hind, I think South African. Same Hind body, radically upgraded avionics and targeting gear.

>>9040906
I think that's a south african super-hind.

>>9040998

Somebody needs to shop a cape onto that Hind.

Capes are for losers.

>>9040498

Is this in the game?

>>9041816
what is that?

early v.t.o.l. concept
ancestor to the harrier

It slays me how some of these missions go so well it's almost "Fly there, fly home" easy, and some of them have collateral in the thousands of lives and millions of dollars range.

And someone's about to get a red hot dicking from a rich and pissed of organised airforce.

>>9041816
And what is that?

>>9042429
>>9041816
>>9042335
early vertical takeoff and landing plane

>>9042335
>>9042584

Considering how much of a deathtrap the harrier is, who in their right mind would want to fly its little brother?

>>9042678
It's a Ryan Vertifan, miles safer than the Harrier ever was, because it was built by Smart people who put stabilithrust into the design, unlike the harrier, which has such close thrust points it's very unstable.

Dammit, I missed another thread.

>>9042429
An easy mission just means the bad guys weren't prepared. I'm sure the next mission is going to be different.

>>9028091
>>9028262
???

>>9040649
google news isn't too bad, if you always read where the site links to. you can get al jazeera, reuters, cnn, but you can also get fox news, voice of america, haaretz. everything is biased, but if you read of everything that is reduced.

>>9045367
According to google news, the world ends in 4 days.

>>9045732

what?

>>9038528

People who idolize the F-14 do it solely because of Top Gun. Which means they are gay homosexuals.

I maintain that this is the only plane for the real, real man.

>>9047913
She certainly is a very manly, and quite beefy, fighter but we all have our own definitions of awesome manliness and while the MiG31 is up there its not top dog for me.

>>9047148
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>9047913

cool plane, but other than its flatout speed and AIM-54 rip off, i cant see it being much of a upgrade for OP

>>9049534
It's long range missile kicks the phoenix's ass.

late bump for epic thread

See you all in the next thread.

Whenever I read these threads I blast this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMoAkiLb6lM

Always seems to fit the mood.

If nothing else these threads have taught me how to read roman numerals.

>>9052539
Don't you mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

>>9052618
Good.

But this raises hairs on my neck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f90YCdYIADQ

God, the moment those guitars hit....

>>9052539
Huh... If it came to Generals music, I'd go with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNdfxq-raJU

Fits the Africa theme a bit more.

>>9050423
In air war the Phoenix has slightly better stats than the R-33

>>9053281
>>9053281

wishful thinking.

>>9047913
SERBIA STRONG.

>>9053378
possibly. but it is Russian, what they claim and what it can actually do often will not match up (that said the same can be said about some western tech as well....)

btw here are the stats form the game.