>>8598508
Dammit, there goes the rest of my day.

Cool op.

Also, hey man nice shot, to whomever that photographer was.

>>8598508
How much cash did you guys make?

>>8598542
Never mind the cash, what's going to happen about you shooting down the Sudanese fighter? Well not you, but Captain McMissile Barrage in his Flanker.

For those who have no clue what is going on.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8515581
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8526381
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8538520
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8562185

OP is the most evil douche ever. RULES MAN! WE NEED RULZ!

>>8598508
Invest in Flares. maybe a belly launcher, since countermeasures are your friend, and I doubt you'll have too many radar missiles headed at you.

>>8598508
The hell is that shit in your post?

You fly a Phantom, keep the girly hornet out of here.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR8kjzkpR2M#

HOT GERMAN PILOT FLIES HOT PLANE!

>>8598874
Who is that?

>>8598916
I'm going to have a guess and say Svetlana Kapanina

InB4 I'm completely wrong.

>>8598916
Look at the plane.

>>8598508
What's the new mission?

Commence with mission specifics before something vaguely wrong happens.

Rawr you're back! Get those rules to us OP, asap.

So whats the new mission? Have you heard? And I second the flare pod idea.

>>8599411
OP is the planetard version of a cocktease.

>>8599582
Erm...an in-flight refueling probe tease? A tail hook tease? Pilot tube tease?

>>8599605

It's like you have a good tone, but control won't give you the weapons free.

>>8599634
I'm BLUEBALLING UP HERE CONTROL!

>>8599694
Fuck I know a pilot who'd say something like that if he knew he wouldn't be brought up on charges for it.

>>8599582
>>8599605
>>8599634
>>8599694

>>8599411
Wait, never mind.

OP Again, just got the email.

BlackFlag Internal Document #100301

Mission Briefing “Footloose”
Deployment: Kisangani
Pancake: Kisangani
Alternate: None (We are still negotiating with the provisional government)
AAR: None
AWACS: “Watcheye” flight R-99A available for 10m, on request.
CSAR: C-27J + Jaeger Flight. Ten Million Sortie Fee if utilized

>>8600068
I'm sorry...pancake? wtf does that mean? Anyone?

More as it comes in OP.

Contract Employer: Ministre de Sécurité Externale, France

Objective: Destruction of bridges located at +3° 59' 37.61", +16° 7' 3.23" and +3° 59' 41.12", +16° 7' 35.43". Escort of FFL AN-12 to target area, followed by Close Air Support if required.

Background: The French foreign affairs ministry appreciated your efforts in Sudan, and have asked for you on another strike mission. Over the past six months, they've been fighting a proxy campaign in the Central African Republic, using foreign regulars to combat the growing insurrection against their puppet ruler they instated. They've recently suffered setbacks, as armed technicals and stocks of ATGMs and RPGs have been making their way north into the country, as well as a growing rebel movement. They've identified a point of entry however, and have come up with a way to hopefully neutralize the shipments and earn the local population's support. By eliminating the bridges, the weapons shipments will be delayed. The French expect that the bridge destruction will make the rebels attempt to make a decisive strike on the town north of the river, especially when the radio transmissions will make it seem like the CAR army is preparing for an assault and is staging in the town, when in reality only a token garrison is present. The French ministry has arranged for a detachment of the French Foreign Legion to arrive in the “Nick of Time” to stop the assault. You will remain in the operations area, providing close air support until the FFL authorizes termination of air cover.

Intel (HUMINT free): Unavailable. The public supports the rebels in the area and the French have been unsuccessful at securing a reliable field operative in the region.
Air Assets: None.
Surface Assets: Unknown number of Towed BOFORs guns, SA-7, RedEye MANPADS.
Intel (Remote Imaging free): Next overflight at 1438 local. Analysis and Imagery available for standard rate of 3 million.

Threat Assessment: Very Low. Primary concern is on time delivery of fire support missions as called in by FFL ground troops.

ROE: Visual Id/Defensive Fire ROE applies. Targets called in by FFL are considered valid for weapons release. You are not authorized to engage rebel targets until the FFL is on scene, even if the town Garrison is overrun.

>>8600140
I think it is an old term when an airplane crash lands. The way it is used here makes me think of it as simply an alternate for the word 'landing' or 'recovery'.

>>8600159
>>8600149
>>8600068
>Mission Summary: The French are dicks.

Seriously, the way your ROE is setup, I get the impression that the French will arrive in the middle of a typical African bloodbath. Talk about a dick move to win hearts and minds.

>>8600255
Monsieur does not like how we conduct Business in L'Afrique?

>>8600194
Thx mate, that makes sense.

Ok so looks like a standard ground target and close support action to me. You'll be able to load up on cheap munitions this time. Some iron bombs, a cluster bomb or two, gunpods, and token AtA load out just in case. With the amount of man portable SAMs about you'll want to stock up on flares. You'll also want to keep up some constant maneuvering whenever you're within range of the ground assets. The SAMs intel is suggesting are fairly primitive and can be fooled with flares and hard turns. The bofors are dangerous if they're radar guided or if they have good crews that know how to shoot well with just iron sights.

>>8600159
FLARES. As many flare packs as you can mount OP. I wouldn't worry about the Bofors, no radar, inaccurate against high speed jets. But the air missiles like the SA-7 and stinger are a problem.

>>8600291
OH SHI-

unguided rocket pods are also good. And there's nothing like some good old napalm to break an enemies morale.

What's the range to target from their base? If they have to loiter doing close air at low level, they might have fuel issues.

FUCK YEAH! Op, you make my day! Now, to start mission planning for you!

God I love these threads

Mercenary air forces are kickass

Flanker up top for CAP.
Mirage and F111 take the bridge and then take up secondary close air support.
F4s loiter as first line close air support.

Cut and dried pretty much. Unless GM throws a wrench in the works.

>>8600255
Seconded. OP, your GM has a dark mind, either that, or knows a lot more about how the world works then he wants to admit. I absolutely love the moral relativism that might be apparent in this op tasking.

>>8600439
This is where I wish someone had taken a dedicated close support aircraft. Everything your groups got is so fast that it makes pin point support difficult to achieve.

>>8600439
Yeah, if you read the other threads, you know their GM seems to like 'wrenches' and the KISS principle.

We all thought they had a tight plan last time, and look at what happened.

>>8600474
Actually, if the FFL has laser desigs, then they could precoordinate and mount lots of laser guided 500lbers.

Does the GM have a map for you yet OP? Would be helpful if we're going to be helping you with planning and loadout.

>>8600501
No satellite intel unless they pay for it. Their GM seems to love making them make tough choices, especially financial ones. On the plus side, we can take a look on google maps, I think those are coordinates in the briefing.

>>8600500
true but that costs cash they'd probably rather not spend at this point in the game. Still it would help keep them out of harms way. I'd rather not have to have whoever's got the F111 get patched up after every mission.

And once again, the Flanker pilot is bored as hell.

>>8600528
Anyone good with coordinates and google maps? If they're accurate i'd love to take a peek.

>>8600567
Flanker can carry a lot of A/G ordnance, not the best aircraft for the mission, but it can do it.

>>8600578
I'd rather have him running CAP even if it means a boring game for him. Even if no credible AtA targets appear the rebs may be able to call in choppers that he could knock down.

>>8600576
http://maps.google.ca/maps?client=firefox-a&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=%2B3%C2%B0+5
9%27+37.61%22,+%2B16%C2%B0+7%27+3.23%22&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=%2B3%C2%B0+59%27+37.61%22&
#44;+%2B16%C2%B0+7%27+3.23%22&gl=ca&ei=1qGeS6qLJ4P78Aam9dS7Cg&ved=0CAcQ8gEwAA&ll=3.9
93736,16.117887&spn=0.003826,0.004823&t=k&z=18

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%2B3%C2%B0+59%27+41.12%22
,+%2B16%C2%B0+7%27+35.43%22&sll=3.997621,16.124818&sspn=0.015305,0.01929&gl=
ca&ie=UTF8&ll=3.994972,16.126712&spn=0.03061,0.038581&t=k&z=15

Looking at the topography now, looks a bit hillier then the previous one.

>The public supports the rebels in the area

don't bother bringing a parachute OP.
You don't want to survive being shot down over this country.

GBU-12 OP, it's first gen 500lb guided munitions. Dirt cheap,or should be.

>>8600634
Ok so terrain is rougher and fairly heavily forested. Could make things tougher.

Mirage should jet in and take out the bridges by itself then bug out. Flanker should escort the FFL in(i'm assuming they're coming in via transport). And the F4s and the F111 should meet them at the target.

Forested area?
Napalm.
All you need.

>>8600768
Agreed. And it'll freak em out.

OP again,

We're trying to workout a good strategy for providing close air support. Based on last game, we never had planes over the field at the same time, and we are wondering how 'fast' the support has to arrive. We are also wondering how the FFL is coming, by parachute or landing, and where their plane will be.

>>8600718
A flanker escorting a Cub? Ever see the Simpson's episode where the mil pilots try to intercept the wright flyer? Yeah, this is like that.

>>8600792
Either way you'll want to make sure you plan on the possibility of the transport being shot down as it comes in and the primary plan going strait to pot. Be prepared for things to change drastically if it does. In that case you'd want to set up a rotating base of support and make sure you've got an aircraft loitering at all times until the FFL are able to be pulled to safety. If that means sending your aircraft back to base at intervals to get refueled and rearmed then thats what you'll have to do. If the worst does happen and you manage to pull off defending downed FFL the french will give you a massive bonus and be in your debt.

Shoot down the Antonov, and then deliver an indiscriminate carpet bombing to the area. The French will be pissed at the rebels for shooting down the FFL, and happy at you for blowing them back to the stone age.

>>8600792
You'll want to be on station far enough above them that the manport SAMs won't worry you as you loiter but close enough to get the support to them in a minute or two. Watch "We Were Soldiers", particularly the part where they declare "broken arrow"...the term means something totally different now but back then it meant the position was being over run on all sides and that air support needed to drop pretty much on the radio's position and on all positions around them.

>>8600964
hell yeah that film is badass

All the aircraft need drop tanks. It's 600 miles to the target, and they have no Refueling. That's going to limit their payload.

Should have bought one of these OP.

>>8600943
When you resort to multiple UTF language for spam, you have truly failed.

Ok so drop tanks are needed. Yes that limits your payload quite a bit. Since that's the case you will want to optimize even more. Laser guided bombs may be necessary now in that case. I'd still like to see some napalm usage though.

>>8601193
Rocket pods are relatively light, and can be devastating to soft targets. I would say they should come along as well.

OP, where did Steve get his knowledge of air combat from? Just read last thread in the archive and now I'm mighty curious.

>>8601283
Yeah i suggested rocket pods too. You can stack those suckers up like three to a pylon on some aircraft. Still at least one aircraft is going to need precision ordinance for the bridge and any other pin point critical close support work that's called for. Hell the F111 pilot may want to look into buddy refueling pods just to make sure they get enough loiter time.

>>8601370
Shit, I never thought of Buddy refueling.

>>8601421
yeah not common any more but it'd be a cheap way to keep a group like the OPs in the sky. That is if the Ardvark pilot doesn't mind playing tanker for a game.

>>8600578

Afaik, the Flanker in OPs group is one of the oldest version, which were generally not fitted for AtG ops.

The beginning is easy. Buy two cheap guided bombs and blow the bridges from too high up for the AAA and MANPADs to have a chance.

Second part. Napalm, Cluster bombs, rocket pods, perhaps a few iron bombs. Just watch out that you don't toast the Frenchies.

WHOEVER HAS THE MAS PDF POST IT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW

Can't you tell the French to fuck off or something? Seriously they are being massive douchebags and I don't see why you'd work for them.

>>8601284

>OP, where did Steve get his knowledge of air combat from? Just read last thread in the archive and now I'm mighty curious.

SRSLY. I'd love to know what extra rules he added to the MAS rules, because it sounds like he replicated the details of the electronic element of airborne warfare very well.

>>8601601
http://filesmelt.com/dl/Mercenary_Air_Squadron.zip

OP, I recommend your ground strikers take some gun pods, perhaps some 500lb bombs. If the Frenchies are going in on the ground, its guaranteed your GM will throw you a curveball and have shit go to hell again, in which case they'll ask for pinpoint CAS strikes.

>>8601649

You really don't get the whole "Mercenary" thing, do you?

>>8601649
I can think of one good reason to work for them...

>>8601662

FUCKING GLORIOUS

>>8601649
they pay

This is where a heavily moded Skyraider or A-26 Invader would be awesome to have on hand. Long loiter time and a shit ton of ordinance and guns.

>>8601674
What benefits do gunpods have over Rockets?

>>8601705

You can use them closer to friendlies without fragging your friendlies.

>>8601701

>Skyraider

considering it's a prop craft, they should be able to pick one up on the cheap just for missions like this.

>A-26

FUCK THAT

A20 STRONG

>>8601651
I get the feeling OPs GM is some current or Ex airforce/army intel guy. Maybe a training officer or something, since they have personalities that translate well to GMs.

>>8601742
A20 didn't get enough press but A26 is better in this case. Plus it got used for close support and black ops into the 70s...unlike the A20 Its also got more payload options.

Like I said in the last thread, it will all go horribly wrong.

I can already picture it, some African hellhole, French troops running around, explosions landing everywhere as OPs group bombs indiscriminately, and rockets and bullets killing every toucan within a 5 mile radius.

>>8601760

That would make for an unstoppably awesome game.

How are you going to be prepared for the potential for armor?

>>8601794
as long as OPs group remains professional, cool headed, and keep their eyes clear and their coordinates right they shouldn't get in too much trouble. The only way I can think of them fucking this up is if the FFL radiomen give them faulty targets.

>>8601825
Actually, I'm wondering what targets the FFL will designate.
"TAKE OUT l'ECOLE! IT EEZ FULL OF BAD MEN!"

Does anyone in the party speak French? Because the language barrier might be a serious problem.

>>8601821
Hmm hadn't thought of armor. But if these are the same guys they bombed last time then we know they can get their hands on some respectable heavy tech.

Current thoughts on loadout:
Mirage: Pinpoint bomber(bridge and any other pinpoint problems)
F111: Buddy refueler and back up pinpoint bomber
F4s: General CAS loadout for both.
Flanker: CAP and a gunpod or two if more CAS is needed.

>>8601760
>>8601804

OP again. I actually don't know what Steve does for a living, never really asked. He seems to know this stuff, most modern stuff, like a book. He doesn't look up stuff most of the time, he just tells us capabilities.

>>8601651
Yeah, he actually explained the 'basics' of detection and stuff to us before we played, and said if we played smart with EMCOM we'd do well in a lot of situations.

>>8601885

That's just... phenomenal. He sounds like me, if I was even more of a plane geek then I already am.

Also, Rockeye II cluster bombs penetrate tank armor, on the top. Yes, a cluster bomb that kills tanks. True story.

>>8601853
OP Again, nobody speaks french. Our campaign has me playing a German pilot, The flanker and aardvark are flown by Americans, the Mirage is captained by a scot and the other phantom is Icelandic.

>>8601952

>scot in a mirage

HE MUST ROLEPLAY THE ACCENT EVERY TIME

EVERY TIME

>>8601933
OPagain, Yeah, he had tons of books last time, that we could flip though. Like a big set of blue encyclopedias for planes, one for every two years since 1990, book son tanks, apcs. According to him, as ex-mil pilots we 'd all know this stuff, or a brief overview of it, so if we ever needed to look up stuff all the refernces were there.

>>8601952

So... how are you guys going to communicate with the FFL? Even assuming some of them do speak English, what if those guys get offed in the thick of battle? You guys need to find a French-speaking dude to interpret for you during the mission.

>>8601962
BLOODY FOOKING FROG BUILT PIEC OH SHITE! LOCK ON DAMN YE! LOCK THE FOOK ON WHY DON'T YE!

>>8602011
All I can picture is a drunk scotsman with a wild bushy red beard swearing in a drunken rage at his own plane of which he understands only six of the switches on the dash.

>>8602001
I'm guessing the FFL can speak english...

>>8602001

>implying the french don't have translators

>>8601992

Yes, ex-mil pilots would indeed know about that. Most air forces maintain "relic parks" where they have military vehicles from the world over (either purchased or "acquired") so fighter pilots can walk around and touch the ground-based threats they'll be facing.

Shit, Lock On has approximately eleventy billion icons on the RWR, separate ones for pretty much every radar in existence, and no documentation for them, either (!!!) Actual military pilots know them all.

If only there was an aircraft that mounted enough cannon to strafe effectively.

O Wate!

>>8602011
Oh god he'll jam the airwaves with his impossible to understand mile wide blue streaks at critical moments...ruining missions left and right. Put a sidewinder up his ass and save you and your ears the trouble.

This the the Foreign Legion we're talking about. You know how many languages those guys speak? Considering how many countries are represented in their ranks i'd guess a fuck ton

Take out the bridges in style.

"BLUE FLIGHT 1-2, ENGAGE AT FULL AFTERBURNER"

"BLUE 1-2, ARE YOU ENGAGING?"

"I'm not gonna say it."

"YES YOU ARE."

"NO."

"I'LL PAY YOU EXTRA."

"..... I'm giving 'er all she's got, commandah~"

"HAHAHAHAHAHA GLORIOUS"

*Frenchmen listening in on the communications facepalming*

>>8601992
I like this, a GM actively giving you the knowledge your character would have, instead of saying "LOL, why did you fly with your Radar on? You are the dumbz"

>>8602114
Made of fuckwin.

>>8602102
That thing weighs 2/3rds the weight of the Mirage F1... Reading about it, it doesn't seem real. It's like a rocket propelled boat of explosives.

>>8601869
I think that looks pretty good, all things considered.

>>8602143

*BOW*

kh-22 isn't anywhere close to a realistic option until someone in OPs group buys a friggin out and out bomber...which wouldn't actually be to hard if you went slav. Still...not worth it...especially this early in the game.

>>8600482

Mission accomplished and everyone home alive?

Sounds like a damn fine day to me!

>>8602102

RAEPTIEM

>>8601933
France has ratified the convention on cluster munitions, banning their use. In August 2010 the ban will go into effect for all members of this treaty. Something to think about if working with the French.

Remember, if you have a heat seeker on your tail. Do a barrel roll.

And smash that flare button like it's an orgasm button.

>>8602324
The french here seem to be hiring mercenaries and doing black ops in the middle of Africa. I don't think that treaty will really apply in this situation.

>>8602102
If you want to use a stand off missile pick up a Kh-35 Kayak or something similar. Still its not worth it for something like a bridge.

>>8602259
Agreed. They got a little shot up, but everyone survived, and they still got the job done.

>>8598626
These are the greatest threads I have ever read on /tg/

I might actually get back into gaming if these rules ever surface.

>>8602324

So? This mercenary air group is probably based out of some other country...why should the treaty apply to them?

What a mercenary may look like.

>>8602502
I CAN"T FIND YOUR FUCKING FREQUENCY!

Thread is decidedly lacking in Flanker porn.

What's that? I can't hear you over how awesome we all are!

>>8602666

wat

See see?! Even the mighty F18 is forced to put up its hands in surrender to the awesomeness that is the F14

>>8602746
>glance at thumbnail
>see fractalforce

FFFFFFF--

>>8602324

>France has voluntarily bant one of the most effective aerial munitions because they're fucking pansy faggots

France could ban BULLETS at this point and be OK, they never do any fighting.

>>8602746
Bring it on.

>>8602781

No the F-14 was like WHERE'S THE CHEETOS and the F-18 is like I DUNNO LOL

OPs group should invest in a couple of Dragonflies for missions like this. Dirt cheap and reliable.

>>8602781
Yeah, but F-18 pilots are such pansies that they need someone to navigate for them.

God help me, I keep imagining the missions in these threads as Ace Combat levels. I know it's too "arcadey" and shit but I can't help myself.

Also got me thinking of picrelated.

>>8602791
That you hear about... They've been successfully conducting military operations in Africa for the past 30 years. WHich is part of what appeals to me about the Campaign so far, the GM seems to have a deeper knowledge of ops then most.

>>8602789
You mean the Sierpinski Triforce?

>>8602791
They fought in the Gulf War. Granted, that was 20 years ago, but it's not quite accurate to say they never fight.

This thread reminds me of the Top Gun video games. They were HORRIBLE simulators, that reflected real combat about as well as my hand reflects a real woman, but my GOD the voice acting for Merlin was hilarious as fuck.

"Hurry up Maverick, land this thing! I wanna get to the mess hall before the fat guy eats all the potatoes."

(As you're waiting on the catapult) "So I had this weird dream last night. We launch off the cat, but we have no wings. So we crash, of course, and when they haul us out of the water, the only thing I'm wearing is my 'Go Navy' scarf. Think I should take this up with the ships chaplain?"

>>8602802
lol that works so well. Looks like the F14 was even to the point of threatening the F18 if he didn't tell him where they were. See? The F18s backed into the corner and everything!

>>8602841

>They fought in the Gulf War. Granted, that was 20 years ago, but it's not quite accurate to say they never fight.

Well, the did sink a greenpeace boat.

That's a compliment, coming from me, btw. :D

>>8602860
Yeah, if the French are willing to C4 the shit out of a boat full of hippies in plain view of the public, just imagine the shit they pull in some backwater hellhole.

>>8602842

Even better

"OKAY, Mav, the button works!" (if you hold down the cannon trigger for a while.)

(when you shoot somebody down)

"SEE YOU ON THE 6:00 NEWS"

"In the event of an emergency, your seat cushion can be used as a flotation device. To use it, bend over and KISS IT GOODBYE"

>>8602791
Hi there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_France#Modern_period

>>8602934
Why? Its a pos aircraft that got replaced by some of the most awesome shit out there. GTFO my /tg/

>>8602989
Smells like /k/

OP here,

Read all the suggestions, I'll talk about it with the group in our planning stage. Tell you how it goes when I get back.

>>8603003

A wise man once said this of /k/:

"If /k/ was running the US Air Force it'd be armed with Extra 300s with open cockpits so the pilots could use M1911s."

And that sums up what /k/ knows about fighters.

I am convinced that no ruleset for this supposed "game" exists and all these threads are an elaborate troll from /k/.

>>8603003

And? Where do you think my second home on 4chan is? Its a subpar plane.

>>8603003
Yeah, it does. It'd be /tg/-related though, if only OP POSTED THE PROMISED RULES

Though the MAS rules were posted too so I guess it's /tg/-related already.

>>8603039

I'm beginning to suspect that myself. Though these are damn fun threads.

>>8603023
>Extra 300s with m1911s

We'd be unstoppable!

>>8603039
I don't care if it is, this is the best thing to potentially have ever come out of /k/.

This is what's needed. Fuel/air bombs. Forget napalm fuckers. This is where its at.

>>8603101

Even as a part time /k/ommando I must agree. Even if its just one big troll its hella fun.

>>8603039

He's already said that the game uses Mercenary Air Squadron rules, with some houserules on top.

So all we're waiting on now is house rules.

>>8603207
Where did he say it was MAS?

>>8603243

last thread.

>>8603207
I wasn't aware he'd stated that. Where was that? Quote plz?

>>8603257
I thought that was some anon going "It has to be MAS"

>>8603257
>Steve said his rules are being put up as time permits. He also thought that MAS was cool, but his game incorporates a tabletop ruleset in addition to the RPG, like the mechwarrior rpg allows people. He liked the missions from MAS and the campaign generator.

Plus, this little blurb in the first post. . . so no, it's not MAS.

>>8603306
Yeah ok I didn't think he'd said it was MAS.

As you can see OP we're STILL waiting on those rules.

So basically:

* GM is incredibly knowledgeable about IRL military affairs

* GM homebrewed (from scratch) own system

* Said system is a tabletop AND RPG ruleset

* Said system apparently allows for an incredible amount of detail, including electronic warfare and detailed stats for a shitload of different planes and munitions types

I dunno, it sounds too good to be true for me. Another Sameo.

>>8603306

>Steve handed us out aircraft data sheets, sort of like the one's in that MAS but different, there were some other things he add on them.

This seems to imply that he's cannibalized the MAS rules to use for his homebrew.

Also, "RPG and vehicle combat" could mean "MAS rules for fighters and GURPS on the ground," so, srsly...

>>8603370

>Another Sameo.

There's actually empirical evidence of such a scam being perpetrated?

>>8603370

There's always a chance. And if its not true then we'll just have to turn MAS or another of the game mentioned into something similar just to sate our hunger for such a game.

>>8603370
What is Sameo?

>>8603376
OP sucks at english sometimes. It's annoying when it comes to stuff like this.

>>8603370
It does sound too good to be true. But goddamn, if it is true...
Fuck, I'll be playing/GM'ing this to death with my group.

>>8603398

Why wait for this supposed Steve to deliver the goods? I suggest we good plane-crazy folk of /tg/ get together and make that ruleset right now.

>>8603376
The way I read it, it sounded like the OP showed Steve MAS and he was like "dude, this is kinda cool, love these bits" but only after they had been playing. But that's just my take on it.

>>8603528
I'd love to play it if it is true...problem is my current group, aside from me, has absolutely no interest in this sort of thing. They're all to much into the fantasy or steampunk style of games. And while I have not problem with those I'd dearly like to play modern D20, Spycraft, or something like this.

>>8603601

Modern games are very hard to do right. One would have to be working in the military to get all the details correct or it would turn into a Rambo movie-style implausible action campaign. Nothing wrong with those, I suppose, but I prefer a realistic feel.

>>8603572
My read on it as well.

>>8603601
Fuck your group. Get them to play this stuff!

>>8603639

Eh...no matter how hard you try its gonna be a bit fantastical anyway. And who says real life doesn't have a touch of fantasy and the fantastical already?

>>8603748

I'd have to get my old group back together(only possible over long breaks due to school etc) to even have a chance of playing this. My current group wouldn't even consider it. No interest in such things whatsoever. Sad really. Otherwise they're a great group.

>>8603789
They're morons. Get them playing!

GIVE THEM HELL OP!
/tg/ is pulling for you.

>>8603832
You don't understand. Half the group is female and more interested in playing sexy half dragons or something similar. Of the guys only one is really into the whole 'slashy slashy smashy smashy' thing. So its kinda hard to pitch something like this to them.

>>8603751

Yeah, If I ever managed to get a game of Spycraft going, I'd make sure the players knew that we weren't trying to be realistic by having their first mission be basically Metal Gear Solid 3 set in India.
Complete with BEEEEEEEEEEEEES.

I would literally suck a dick for this ruleset

OP I hope you and your GM read this,

also dumping my airplane porn, F4 related

dat transonic pressure gradient

I know people love the PAK-FA, but I still think the F-22 is a slightly superior fighter

>>8603751
>>8603940

You guys misunderstood. I don't mean realism as in "boring shit", I mean realism in terms of detail. I like to be able to describe military and intelligence stuff accurately. Like the mission briefings from Steve, they've got a very nice sense of detail and an authentic feel.

my favorite vietnam era fighter, wouldnt be much use to OPs squadron though

>>8603924
>Half the group is female and more interested in playing sexy female half dragons or something similar.

Dude, do you have any idea how fucking hot female fighter pilots can be?
Fuck. Dem jumpsuits, dat hair billowing in the wind when they remove their helmet, glistening in the fading dusk.

It's practically the same mentality. Female fantasy warriors and female ace combat pilots. Extreme skill paired with sexy good looks.


there's your pitch. EVERYONE wants to be a pilot, because pilots are fucking boss.

>>8604042
I wish the PAK FA looked more likethis concept art.

>>8604075

ah if only it were that easy to pitch. I'll give it a try though. We'll see how it goes.

>>8604162

>>8604162
*SPLOOSH!*

This is the image I think of when OP describes his missions. If OP comes back or starts another thread ill dump some more high res aircraft

>>8604162

>>8604188
Nice pic, for once it's the token white guy.

Also, reminds me of Ace Combat.

>>8604188

GHOSTS OF RAZGRIZ

>>8604236

Need some F16s in the mix so you can look awesome like this guy.

>>8604233
CAN NOT UNSEE

If I couldn't have an A-4 i'd probably start myself in one of these babies. Yeah they're outdated for the most part up the fun as hell and with so many upgrades...*drool*

One of these wouldn't be bad either.

>>8604301
I don't know why but F-16's look so much better with camo paintjobs. Otherwise they look a little boring.

Don't get me wrong, they are great planes but they aren't much to look at.

And yes, picture is cool.

>>8604326
I always think of an uncircumcised penis when I look at those planes.

>>8601662
Fucking hope this is it~

Fucking cockteases.

>>8604378
:D

>>8604098
Reminds me of the Vic Viper.

>>8598626
The original is better.

I'd invade her airspace if you know what I mean.

>>8604021
DAT transonic pressure gradient

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

>>8604547
I'd hit it like the speed of sound.

>>8604630
>I'd hit it like the sound barrier.

FTFY

>>8604321
CUM HISTORIA

>>8604659
>I'd knock her out of the sky

FTFY

>>8604630

>chick fighter pilots

AWESOME, I'D HI-

>they fly F-2s

FUCK NO BROHIEM JUST NO

Well this has gone all day once again and still there's no rules to be had. How many more threads will it take OP before you either get them to us for you reveal yourself to be a megatroll?

>>8604724

Just play MAS and stop whining. Besides, all the plane geeks are geeking out about planes. Successful threads are successful.

Someone make sure this thread is archived before it dies out or is replaced with the next one.

>>8604721
>They fly F-2's
Problem?

Delicious helmet mounted display.

>>8604822
BROTHER!!!

>>8604795

Several.

First, we may as well mention the flight stick that snapped off mid-flight. (MADE IN JAPAN LOL)

Secondly, the F-16 was the product of the "lightweight fighter development program," which was the brainchild of the "fighter mafia," a group of guys who advocated that the traditional American design philosophy of flying freight trains that raped everything was fine and all, but lightweight, manuverable fighters had potential too. (They were good in their time, but have been fagging up the defense talk blogosphere ever since with stupid.)

Thus the F-16, a fighter designed entirely around light-weight and maneuverability, was born.

Now you tell me. What is the one thing you can do to a lightweight fighter to totally invalidate it's fundamental design principle? And what did the Japanese do?

Yeah.

>>8604724
>do my bidding or I shall reveal you to be a troll ON THE INTERNET, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cool thought, bro.

>>8604724
herp

>>8601662

READ THREAD, GAIN INFORMATION

Sorry I can't hear you over how awesome I am.

>>8604844
I, for one, am curious.

DATASS

>>8604844
...Make it really fucking heavy?

In every squadron, there's always one assclown...

Have any of you actually READ the MAS dl? It's more like sky chess, with no accurate spatial relation or specific maneuvers, just far, close, unspecified dogfight. And it's half economic simulation, for 2 or more players to lead a whole squad and compete for missions.

Also I don't think the rules will be coming. Sounds to me like the DM is an excellent storyteller with a military fanboi inclination who makes sh1t up as he goes along. That's great, if you know what you're doing. But it is no comprehensive air battle ruleset.

If he wanted to share what he has with the world he would have by now. Let them play their campaign and maybe after he'll wrestle up the stones to put up his homebrew on RS.

>>8605071

I think they are playing a session right now. I would like to at least know what kind of checks / dice rolls the GM is having the players do. MAS does seem like kind of a let down.

Oh well, I hope OP comes back tonight, I cant stay up much later

F-16 here, all other planes are small time.

>>8605130

thats an f-15 broseph

>>8605128
Wild Blue actually sounds much more versatile. And it's supposed to be more of a military simulation with RPG. I haven't read it yet, but the link is somewhere in the threads on suptg.

>>8605071
It's only been a couple days, and it sounds to me like the GM has his priorities in order and is working more on creating sessions for his players than uploading/typing all his rules and stats.

I think it's safe to wait at least a few more days.

>>8605208
D'oh!

>>8605257

I hear you, I just dont get on /tg/ every day and I dont want to miss when the rules are finally posted.

Hopefully they end up on suptg or some such

>>8605071
>herp, also sh1t
Really? You can't hit the "i" key when you type out the word "shit"? Also, this guy is under no obligation to give you anything, ever. So sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and wait untill you hear from the guy. The OP has said a few times that he's typing it up. Just chill out.

>>8605357
Once they are posted a few of us will make sure to post them at least once a day for a week or so. There were enough people interested that I think its only fair to make sure everyone gets it.

>>8605010
"I'm not the one upside down boss, you are."

I think we are at 250 posts

cmon OP, new thread when you get back tonight

crossed fingers

>>8605257
I still find it surprising he didn't write this stuff out on a pc.

>>8605386
Yeah, I'm on livestream chat which censors...

I'm not saying he's a jerk for not posting it, I'm saying he's got nothing to post.

So shut the fuck up short bus and wait for the grownups to finish their discussion.

For you OP. Hurry back.

>>8605580

>>8605580

>delicious slav girl
>delicious slav tank

at first I fapped, then I BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTT like a good American

>>8605576
>grownups to finish their discussion
What discussion, all you did was go HERP HE'S NOT PLAYING A GAME, HE'S A MAKING SHIT UP! You also brought into question the testicular fortitude of a guy you've never met because he didn't post his rules fast enough for your liking. So tell me where exactly the adult in your post started talking?

>>8605721
Don't think that's happening little boy. You gotta get past us first.

>>8605765
Implying you use close air power to kill The A-10's.

>>8605798
A-10 is only usable if you have air superiority.

>>8605811

Oh, we have air superiority

>>8605755
An adult might have understood that 'making shit up' is a valid form of roleplaying which only implies drawbacks for us who were waiting for what by now has to be the ultimate revelation in dogfight rules to satisfy.

An adult might also have surmised that 'wrestle up the stones" is a maybe crude but nonetheless valid allusion to the tedious process of facing your own creative work again in order to compile it so that a general audience may comprehend it.

This is my last reply to you. Go troll someone else now.

>>8605865
We doubt it.

>>8605865
From miles and miles awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

>>8605895

I hate to resort to this technique but

>implying su-30s could combat f-22s in a pure air to air roll

>>8605921

We have the range advantage, not you.

>>8605934
That's the same overconfidence that led to the problems the US had in Vietnam initially.

>>8605975
There is no over confidence involved.

American military power->>>>>Entire rest of the planets military power.

>>8605895
I hope you don't expect to dogfight.

Enjoy getting sniped before your missiles are in range.

Posting this because I dont have any good AWACS pictures,

>>8605958

Missile range means nothing when we have an advantage in detection range.

>>8605958
Lol, no.

>>8605958

A PAK-FA can contend with an F-22

Even the most modern Flanker derivatives cannot.

>>8606001

And then another country calls in the US's debts.

>>8606049
I'm sorry, you and all the other F-22 supporters out there.

What's the engagement range on an F-22? How far can the missiles fire? How many missiles can it carry? How does it survive in an active emissions environment? Does it have BVR IR capability?

>>8604326

Ahh, the Fishbed. The AK-47 of the skies.

EOTS up in this bitch.

ITT: Idiots arguing over capabilities on paper when OP's team demonstrated that once things get hot your paper burns real nice.

>>8605884
All of that may be true, yet you >implied none of that in your first post. The first third of it was listing out some negitives about MAS, as i've not looked at the rules myself, i'll take your word on those. However, when we get to the second and third parts of your post, we see the "herp" show up. The OP has mentioned quite a few times that Steve(the DM of the plane game) is typing up his notes/rules whatever, and he'll post them. I'll quote you for a moment: "If he wanted to share what he has with the world he would have by now. Let them play their campaign and maybe after he'll wrestle up the stones to put up his homebrew on RS." No where in that did you give the idea that doing a write up of anything is a big job, it was all "he hasn't posted his rules, he's just a tease". So, remind me again, why is my dismissal of your opinion any sort of trolling? Because it fit with the attitude you showed?

>>8606098
Ah yes, eots, the JSF gets tech the Fulcrum had in the eighties...

The US is ahead in low observable tech and C3, but everywhere else, we are behind.

>>8606090

8 AIM-20D In stealth configuration

~60nm (Im not sure on this one)

No BVR IR (this is the PAK-FA's biggest advantage)

but an F-22 can kinematicly defeat a long range missile and has a much better stealth profile than the PAK-FA

Somebody make this thread in /k/

>>8606206

No, any air power discussion on /k/ is so pants on head retarded it makes me feel bad for going on that board

/tg/ knows much more about the military than /k/

Faggots expecting a missile fight between air powers are hilarious.

Hard to get planes off the ground when everything is already blown the fuck up.

>>8606228
Awww, I didn't know too much about air superiority in modern days so I hoped a discussion in /k/ would reveal some nice facts

>>8606090
Obvious foreign spy detected.

>>8606190
A few things.
F-22 carries six AIM-120s inside, I'll let you have Ds even though they are only now going into service. Range is at best 45 miles.

PAK-FA RCS is unknown, no way to know what it looks like on Radar.

Most planes can kinematically defeat a lot of missiles. But that ability is reduced the closer inside the misisle range you are. And when the BASIC russian missile has a 70nm range, and their advanced ones have a 110nm range, and their AWACS killers have 200+ nm ranges, then it all becomes moot. Furthermore, to launch an AMRAAM, you need a radar lock, and that means nose hot, and that means, the F-22 stealth means nothing.

>>8606252
The B-2, a bomber so expensive losing one actually puts a dent in the US military budget. A bomber so stealthy cellphones can detect and triangulate it when hooked up to a laptop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22

FUCKING LAZY FAGGOTS

OP again, back, and I'm going to write up the mission as best I can. Was a lot of fun.

Should I start a new thread?

>>8606049
The PAK-FA. What happens when the X-23 design is stolen and a Russian label is slapped on it.

>>8606256

Correct me if Im wrong, but I was under the impression that with integrated radar systems a fighter could fire a missile based on another aircraft's radar lock, meaning only one active radar in the field

Also I am basing my analysis of the PAK-FA on:
http://ausairpower.net/APA-2010-01.html

The design of the nozzles is not stealthy like the F-22.

>>8606299
>cellphones can detect and triangulate it when hooked up to a laptop.

Source

>>8606328

oh god yes OP, I stayed up late tonight just for this

>>8603023
I don't think you remember when /k/ got their hands on an aircraft design program...

>>8606367

>>8606379

>>8606391

>>8606367
>>8606379
That's downright fucking Or/k/y.

>/tg/ knows much more about the military than /k/
Amusing yet true, but /tg/ really isn't the place for this.

I just read this whole thread and orgasmed twice and came close once more.

I would never suspect that /tg/ had as many plane freaks here as... well.. wow.

>>8606342

The 'stealth' argument on the F-22 is a joke, it's low observable. The PAK-FA also has multi axis thrust vectoring, the F-22 only has unidirectional.

>>8606339
You mean the YF-23?
The PAK-FA actually looks more like a flanker than an F-23.

>>8606409

Next time realize this is a thread about a homebrew mercenary air force game before saging the thread

>>8606148
>The JSF
>EOTS
>THE US

Hold it, the EOTS was a concession to Europe who wanted something they already knew how to repair. Originally Lockeed-Martin put foreword a modern Infra-red search and track system more in-line with the Russian OLS with incorporated design ideals state-side. Russia didn't like that idea and sense everyone has a say with the (former) JSF program, it was benched.

>>8606367
>>8606379
>sketchup
>aircraft design program

FUCK AIRPLANE TOPOLOGY

>>8606005
Am I weird for thinking the P-51 Mustang looks the sexiest of the bunch?

>>8606409
/tg/ really really IS the place for this. If you think differently go and bolter yourself for slaanesh or something.

I could do without the unrelated slav vs us dongparison, but that'S 4chan for you.

>>8606439
nope.

>>8606360
Google Roke Manor.

>>8606459

>I could do without the unrelated slav vs us dongparison, but that'S 4chan for you.

Im sorry I just needed something air power related to talk about until OP got back.

Ill stop now I promise

Speaking of stolen aircraft designs...

>>8606328
Nah just post it all here OP. Easier than going out and looking for a new thread.

>>8606486
lazy bastard

(opens google)

Meanwhile in Italy...

Damn laughable but cute little bastard.

>>8606515
>>Speaking of stolen ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING designs...

Fixed that for ya.

>>8606521

or OP could link to the new thread so we can have 300 more posts of sexy airplanes and general fapping to a god tier GM

>>8606486
So its a company that claims they make the best *everything* without becoming super massive

right

>>8606582
Fine, look up omni-static radar and then bi-static radar. That should put you on the right track.

>>8606436
I like it, reminds me of this.

>>8606607
I have an even better idea. Don't be a lazy bastard and owe up to your own accusations

>>8606640
http://books.google.ca/books?id=VnsBuVJNwLQC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=how+to+detect+a+b2+bomb
er+roke+manor&source=bl&ots=-XQa0fbBPW&sig=o7M4MskNFCOkShuB15y3Ep7V4fA&hl=en&ei=
sQCfS_H4FYL_8AbakZTYCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=
onepage&q=&f=false

>>8606699
Wow... This is the first time anybody ever gave me a real source to anything in all my years at 4chan.

Interesting read, I can see it becoming popular in the future for nations with the resources to build it

OP taking this long to type his mission up is the worst orgasm denial ive ever experienced

>>8606743
If a nation has a cell phone network, they've already built it.

>>8606900

Op made a new thread!

>>8606917

link?