Settlers attempting to colonize Australia were eaten by the Rainbow Serpent and her bunyips, assisted by their human servants.

The country only officially became an internationally recognized entity fifty years ago.

Every major company is run or backed by an elder dragon. The banks use their hoards for financial power. Dragons were also responsible for intervening in the Cold War, giving them a massive superiority complex.

someone mentioned d20 modern

>>8221783
d29 Modern is a clusterfuck. Terrible system, very cumbersome. Story-driven system would be superior. Hfffff. Think WoD is best.

Pathfinder is probably your best bet since most monsters CR=Level of PC races. The few exceptions tend to be outsiders, fey, or dragons, which in this setting should be freaking weird anyways.

Um, d20 Modern?

>>8221798
and pc dragons would be something you want to be careful with anyway.

Rules should be whatever group is comfortable with. The importance should be on the setting.

After all, what are the other races doing? Are they just odd-looking humans or have they filled a niche?

>>8221798
If you cut down the magic level and added in computers, electronics, more political stuff and modern weaponry, Pathfinder might work.

I'm very curious as to why you think Pathfinder would be good for this.

Personally, I have a WFRP modern conversion I'm working on that I would love to do more statting for.

But really, d20 Modern would be the simplest.

as long as this doesn't turn into unified setting 2.0, with people working in little bits and pieces until it became a mess.

Maybe a list of species first? Or history first?

>>8221811
A lot of the demihumans are uneasily integrated into the community - I think the upper limit on that would be minotaurs and lamia, since anything bigger or more predatory would get killed or ran out of town.

I guess the burlier monsters would be bouncers, bodyguards, or military, the dorfs would be industrialists, the dryads would be hippies.

>>8221816
Minimal monster vs human conversion. Take a naga out of the Bestiary and compare it to a caster, and it's a pretty good match off. Take a gnoll or minotaur against a fighter with CR=level and it's a pretty good match off. Take a lamia and compare it to ranger and pretty equal comparison.

>>8221851
Oh that's cool.

>>8221851 Lamia vs. Ranger

Wait, what? Does Pathfinder use those art error Lamias that have lion bodies for some reason?

>>8221831
History. The monster races have existed as long as anyone can remember- the fossil record indicates they appeared abruptly a few millions years back and rapidly settled in to very specific climes. Due to either a lack of natural weapons, small size, or low birthrate, humans still managed to become the dominant species, but not totally. Major chunks of jungle, desert and tundra remain unexplored due to very hostile monster natives, as do sections of the ocean such as the Bermuda Triangle, which is rumoured to contain a colony of kraken.

Some of the monster races have involved themselves with humans, notably the elves, dwarves and to a certain extent the dragons and their kin. Greedy and self-serving as they are, the dragons easily fill a administrative CEO roles, the dwarves make a fuckton of money off prospecting and manufacture, and the elves are basically pretty, long-lived humans anyway.

>>8221864
Yes, but the original lamias were bestial bodied creatures in the Greek myths. They actually state that it's not only lions but all sorts of animal bodies, including snake, wolf, etc.

>>8221864
Also, I chose rangers because they hunt and have very minor spell like abilities, not because it's a favored class or anything. It's a general comparison.

>>8221866

Not another human dominated setting...

>>8221873
so it would cover things like centaurs and stuff too? "Taur" or "hind" doesn't fit all of them after all.

>>8221894
Would it need to be human dominated to explain why so much modern human-focus technology exists? I think so.

>>8221894
It's a modern setting with monsters in it, dork, it needs to be as close to today as possible.

>>8221894
Give us a better source of conflict and we'll listen.

Part of the problem with 'settings' is that a conflict of some sort MUST be presented so we can integrate characters with reasons to excel and exist as PC's. If there were only minor conflicts, you'd have a sandbox campaign where the players were pretty much at ease. Human vs monster in this scenario is the easy way out admittedly but it works.

Humankind is totally at peace with itself, gnolls and kobolds fill the role usually reserved for black people.

>>8221920 Calling someone a dork as an insult on /tg/

OU.

>>8221929
I was thinking it would be more faction-based. The Silver Flame versus the... whatever the Socialist group named in the previous thread was, versus HURP versus the International Minotaur Cultural Dominance Society. It'd be foolish to just make it 'us v. them' and not include shades of grey.

>>8221919
>>8221920

It has monsters in it. Just because humans made everything doesn't mean they need to dominate.

See Half-Life setting, or Mass Effect.

Modern settings are scary enough as it is, just describe everything. I'd say do it with GURPs. Don't bother with magic, but try to make things poetry. A bluebottle jellyfish is scary enough.

>>8221947
The Socialist Party for Equal Mythic/Human Relations

Just use that generic FATE system, like a boss.

>>8221961
magic y/n is a massive decision. So far people seem to be rping it as yes, and it does help explain the more magic dependent races.

>>8221990
I'd think it would be limited to cantrips, mostly, and some spell-like abilities. Fantasy tends to ignore the fact that functional magic demolishes any preconceptions we have about how society would have grown and functioned.

>>8221902
No - centaurs are separate. All lamia have female upper bodies and lower carnivorous creatures as the lower half, and all are meat eaters and very aggressive. Also, the upper half is tainted by the lower half - a lion lamia has a faintly bestial face, large leoine eyes, and....here, let me show you.

But the stats only change superficially - the snake might take a little work, but a bonus on grapples and a no-trip effect is simple houseruling. Otherwise the stats are largely similar. From the Bestiary: "The lamias presented here are but the most common and least powerful members of this cursed race, with others bearing serpentine, avian, and even more perverse forms.

>>8221994
True, but we're having to make massive concessions about how society would form anyway. This isn't hard alternative history. It's more like 'bring this into a modern setting and keep both as intact as possible".

>>8221797
.. Mordin?

>>8221990
Yes, but not in big, flashy ways. You won't get 'sorcerors', just Mythics and some Humans able to produce a few little abilities and affects.

Goblins, gnomes, and kobolds, with their penchant for dark places and tinkerign and messign about probably form large groups or 'Mobs' and become maintainence and handymen - by force, trickery, or cunning respectively. They try and stay out of the factions by making themselves invaluable to everyone.

>>8222042
IMO magic should be about on par with electronics, power-level wise.

This also paints magical adepts as bumbling techies, which pleases me no end.

>>8221990
Some of the species are magic, so it's a yes.

>>8222055
'Can you scry me now? .. how about now? ... fuck, hang on, let me adjust the dish. Can you scry me now?'

How are Mythics regarded by the Government? Legally are they treated the same as humans, or do they effectively form an underclass without all of the rights enjoyed by humanity? Obviously this would vary from country to country, but a general idea of how they're treated in the western world would be a good thing to keep in mind.

>>8222055
I like this. So. institutionalized magic? That's popular, "department of magic and arcana" etc.

>>8221751

Uh, White Wolf put out Scion, which is based around the PC's being children of old gods.

>>8222072
More equal in the west, but not completely in all places. Helps create some conflict. ;)

Why spend months learning to conjurer a ball of light when you could buy a flashlight from wallmart for a few bucks?

>>8222072
Maybe the animal rights movement is -really- advanced.

Oh, that reminds me, the previous thread implied that the Bible was considered some kind of alternative universe fiction, and that monotheism was a bizarre concept. Are we keeping this?

>>8221994
Only to an extent. Pathfinder spell nerfs make many of the usual caster heavy problems go away, and given that a fighter, a bard, an alchemist, a cleric, and a rogue are effectively equivalent without being functionally equivalent, and the lack of beign able to take advantage of spells such a wall of iron to upset economies, it wouldn't be as bad. Even the best scrying spell isn't going to work well on a high powered businessman unless you have a chunk of him lying around - and even if it does, he'll notice it working.

By and large, magic is a nonproblem. Leave it as a 'talented few' situation and it would be okay to ignore it for a while - some monsters have magical talents, some human have magical talents, but only fey and dragons have consistent magical talent throughout the entire race.

>>8222084
Because a ball of light can't be lost, knocked out of your hand or stolen, and the techniques used to generate it can be bent to other problems?

>>8222087
Hopefully, I like the idea. Are Gods, however, actually real in this setting?

Take District 9. Replace Prawns with DnD monster-people.

Humans dominate, but have no magic. Are trying to siphon it from the monster people. Done.

>>8222087
Dunno. Is the order of the silver flame the same one from ebberon? I don't know much about that.

>>8222075
Hmmmm... i guess this means magic should be more artifact based than "spell" based.

>>8222087
Definitely. It only makes sense - after all, monotheism is relatively considered fictional in THIS universe. :P

>>8221990
No magic, n omagic dependant races. If the players have no idea what that freaky gigantic four legged lump of fur, reeking of fish and carrion is as it shambles towards them, rearing up to eight feet in height and displaying its impressive teeth, they're going to shit themselves.

So 'mythics' are oppressed minorities and them murdering, stealing and what have you "because they're fantasy creatures" is considered normal behaviour? But the humans see this a problem and 'oppress' them?

Unfortunate implications indeed.

>>8222100
This is too simplistic, and not consistant with what has been going on it the other threads.

>>8222097
I don't think they should be, functional gods would change the setting significantly. Christianity works alright without an interventionist God, I'm sure polytheism will as well.

>>8222093
Sure, but does joe average care about the theoretical applications of some kind of magic when he just wants to shine the light about in his basement?

Basically can you buy a scroll or something with a charm on it that anyone can use, or is magic exclusively something you have to train or study?

>>8222111
In the previous threads it's been implied that most if not all of the bad behavior on the part of normalized monsters is hype and racism.

>>8222121
>>8222103
Artifact magic would supplant electronics, I think it should be innate.

So... demons and Infernals are accepted as normal, like DnD?

>>8222122
>that most
Yeah, I'll stay away from this train wreck waiting to happen.

>>8222121
Artifacts (scrolls, wands, charms) for normal people, real magic for the talented few (but keep it nerfed, no crazy DnD shit).

>>8222129
Hmm. We could tie a couple of extra planes (Heaven and Hell) into the setting and use them as an explanation for magic. We could just say that primitive cultures accidentally accessed them and turned them into something scary and Divine.

>>8222122
Actually, sergalfag implied that himself and other major predators were on government required medication to keep them from acting on certain dangerous instincts.

Whether or not that's actually necessary or an unfortunate result of the hype is probably best left deliberately ambiguous. Especially since pcs are going to be interested in playing some of these factions that depend on those "grey facts" like the violence or threat of certain mythics.

>>8222122
Yea. There are a few bad eggs, but most Mythics are perfectly reasonable people. Just the Media is more likely to pick up on their nature when one DOES kill someone and make it into a big deal - implying they killed because of their nature as a Mythic and not for the same reasons any human would murder someone.

>>8222121
Well, since use magic device is a common skill, it's entirely possible that wands and scrolls of easy to use spells could abound if the setting is Pathfinder friendly. Anyone could learn how to cast simple spells off of scrolls, and some of the college educated folks could use a wand regularly, but it'd be no different than someone buying a flashlight and some batteries - which would be more reliable. Learnign to cast actual magic would require either talent - sorc or oracle style - or long schooling with the talent strong in you - wizard, celrical, etc. The powerful spells are costly - you would not believe the prices on gemstones and jewlery, or the black market there is. That's how the little gnomes and goblins and kobolds got their riches. Dwarves were after metals....but those little bastards snatched up all the best gemstone sites in the world, and no one wants to go into those anthills.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Flowers

Alternatively, we could just do magic like this book does: technology is magic.

>>8222145
No sergals.

Please, God, no sergals.

>>8222155
Sergals are awesome.

>>8222155
Yea, I'd have to second this. Can we keep it to slightly more conventional fantasy creatures, and leave the Furry-bait out?

I doubt -all- mythics would want to get along buddy buddy with humanity. Hell, some of them would be totally incapable of not acting like a predator.

>>8222162
No, sergals are fapfodder invented by a furry and they're associated with the worst facets of /tg/ and the trollstorm that lurks within. Please, for the love of God, no sergals in the core setting.

>>8222163

sergals aren't furry

>>8222155
I agree completely, that's unified setting stuff we do not want to cross into it. No sergals.

I'm just saying it was a good example for the point i was trying to make further down the point.

>>8222176
*further down the post

Sergals existed once. They lived on a small island, and were wiped out by the other natives. They called themselves the Ayneu, and no longer live anywhere.

>>8222173
This argument is pointless and irrelevant.

If you want sergals, you can add them when you use the setting. They're a point of contention, they aren't part of any real-world mythology or game, and as such it would be best to leave them out for the time being.

Sorry I mentioned it...

>>8222153
That story looks great.

I thought we were playing magic as a low-power substitute for electronics and engineering.

>>8222183

but if you're going to hold that definitions, creatures like lamia and minotaur won't fit in either, they are not a race but singular creatures expanded by games and fantasy literature

>>8222182
I'd be okay with this. While the idea of Humanity wiping out Mythics which don't integrate with them strays a little too close to the repungant HUMANITY FUCK YEA attitude I've so come to loathe, some smaller groups of Mythics would inevitably have been pushed to extinction by humanity as it expanded.

>>8222196
Please stop arguing this. Sergals don't fit into classic mythology or standard D&D, some people don't want them included, they're trollbait and you're derailing the thread by demanding we use them.

>>8222153
I've read that book. It's quite like what we're discussing, but it's mirror universe stuff, and magic completely substitutes technology. It's probably a bit too far in that direction.

>>8222196
Both are mythological creatures with historical backgrounds.

Sergals are just bigger gnolls and that's all.

>>8222196
We are not including your furry fap-fodder. Deal with it.

>>8222202

well sorry for contributing

>>8222199
Likewise, in some areas, humans would have been wiped out - the Nazca, Inca, Aztecs discovered some things are better left alogn in those jungles.

>>8222217
Oh shit yeah.

Egypt must be a pretty fucked up place in this setting. Maybe the sphinx were the pharohs? Hence the cat worship?

>>8222209
Will gnoll females still be raping maniacs? Or will they be sanitized as well?

>>8222222
Gnolls in general probably have trouble functioning in human society. The females wouldn't take shit from anyone.

>>8222222
specific sex and reproduction later, when we've got a bit more world background i think.

>>8222222
Maybe female Gnolls have a 'time of the month' - they go into heat and get kinda rapey. Fortunately, pills are sold to supress such urges. In the isle where Tampons and other feminine hygene products are kept.

>>8222203
You can still have modern technology in an all magic setting, you're just changing how it works.

>>8222222
Gnoll females aren't interested in other races except in fits of perversity. They're much better treated by gnoll males than any other race treats them, considered their unique mating habits - with the exception of the few truly hermaphroditic races there are. As a general rule, their trying to keep their own matriarchal system in control, given that the gnoll males are trying to actually get equal rights in their own society, and can actually have equal rights in others!

FROM NOW ON ALL /tg/ SETTINGS WILL BE FORCED TO HAVE A PG RATING TO AVOID ALL THIS DAMN DRAMA

IF YOU WANT SEXINGS YOU ADD THEM ON YOUR OWN TIME AND IT IS NOT CANON

THANK YOU

>>8222247

Sounds retarded, sexual activities are a large part of normal behaviour.

Also, Roman empire was run by literal Dragons, it collapsed after a human uprising drove them out / killed them.

Seriously, can we move away from the sex for once?

I want to know if kobolds and the smaller humanoids are fully integrated into humanity's seedy underbelly or not. They probably run the banks, since the dragons are the motivating forces behind them.

>>8222252
I thought the monsters only showed up recently? Like a hundred years or so?

Saw OP's picture and thought this was gonna be an underwater setting thread.

I'm slightly disappointed, I love bio-luminescent creatures.

>>8222239
tad williams generalized a lot of the magic in the book and it was all written from the perspective of an outsider human who didn't understand it beyond the effect. It basically crossed into the whole
"suficiently advanced technology" thing. normal "earth technology" like electricity and physics and complex mechanics was still stuck somewhere 300 years behind because everything could be done better with magic.

you will get a very different setting if you follow that.

Elves are, and always have been, isolationists. They avoid the monster races as much as they avoid human races, with rare exceptions. Small groups can be found in many places, usually on the edges of civilized territories where the most racial mixing occurs. They're friendly, speak several languages impeccably, and no one has seen a 'young' or an 'old' elf. Occasionally they'll have dalliances which result in half-elves, but by and large they don't engage in miscegenation. What is certain is that there are many, many more out there, hidden throughout the world.

The conspiracy theorists say that elves are visitors from another dimension, and they're just keeping an eye on everyone and everything.

>>8222259
I prefer this too Russ. it makes it easier to explain why things haven't changed much.

>>8222254
This. Dragons will probably be good at working their way into positions of power, but are unable to get into politics in modern countries due to them being ex-emperors/kings (modern people tend to be mistrustful of the powerful).

>>8222252
Gives the whole " the people and the senate of rome" thing a whole new meaning

>>8222282
The french revolution would result in the beheading of a dragon with a giant guliotine

Also a dragon as the constitutional monarch of the commonwealth ... glorious

>>8222254
A little of both? It depends on where you find them. In the cities they might be group-task forces, taking up a specific niche that requires a lot of hard, clever workers who understand the rules and play well with others as long as the rules are in effect. Bankers, bureaucrats, maintenance workers, mobsters - mid level jobs.

>>8222270
Personally i still think that beats READ SCROLL CAST FIREBALL DnD bullshit. Perhaps a compromise?

>>8222303
THIS. OH GOD THIS.

So the rise of the modern industrial world was spurred in part by humanity being really fucking sick of the fucking dragons acting all high and mighty?

>>8222309
Such spells would most likely be considered firearms, and scroll creation would be as heavily policed as weapons manufacture - remember, those inks used to make scrolls are not easily come by and costr a pretty penny. Regulated substances are always watched, and a college kid collecting the ingredients to create a scroll would be on a couple of watchlists - not just governmental, but political groups and cabalists as well as merchants and the school authorities.

>>8222304
The problem with rewriting part of history (dragons in rome/french revolution etc) is it risks crossing into shaky ground saying x ethnicity is y race. That path ends with furry jesus on the cross surrounded by kobolds.

Remember, the point of a fantasy race is to create a fictional ethnicity without any of the problems that come from stereotyping real human traits.

I reckon Russ might be right, and it would be better to bring them in 100 years ago (along with magic whatever) and leave the rest of the history clean.

I'd like to vote that we avoid Tales of MU faggotry like substituting magic for 'science' and calling it a day.

Maybe thaumic constructs and magic have replaced advanced computer science?

>>8222327
More like in spite of. The collapse of the roman empire bought about a dark age.

>>8222340
:/ no fun.

On that note: what about hitler? :D

>>8222356
HITLER WAS A FEY

>>8222356
A kobold leading an army of gnolls and humans.

>>8222345
>Maybe thaumic constructs and magic have replaced advanced computer science?

This.

>>822234
Constructs are hard. You either need to have a powerful magic base, or a powerful tech base to explain either - constructs could be robots of the future, or magical constructs. not much room for wavering there.

You could always say that the folklore and sporadic sightings throughout history were actually legit, but due to a wibbly wobbly magical thingy this world and the mythic world were running in parallel. In the past couple of hundred years, the rise of heavy industry has been fucking with the ether and messed up whatever was keeping the two seperated.

>>8222377
The LHC incident. Of course.

The conspiracy theorists were right.

>>8222381
Oh shit.

Well, not the LHC. That doesn't leave much space for acclimitization. What about one of the earlier colliders?

Dammit, this is going to end up being set in 2060.

>>8222388
Meh, if you're going to have world merging could have it bought on by the industrial revolution. The problem with a world merging scenario is dual history.

The first atomic test ripped a hole between their world and ours.

Within seconds of the blast literally millions of mythic creatures popped into existence from wherever they were, to here; chaos ensued: no one knew what was happening, WWII stopped dead in it's tracks as armies were thrown into disarray and civilians centers had to deal with the mass of new extra-dimensional refugees.

It tooks decades to deal with the influx, namely how to feed them all, especially how to keep most of them from feeding on us. By the time the world had calmed down and the mythics were beginning to integrate into the societies that had tentatively adopted them; the two superpowers, the US and Russia were already using the mythics to wage a secret war against each other; it was 1955. The Cold War had begun.

>>8222377
I like this.

Hmm. The magical world a place of its own, but things have been slipping one-way into ours over the last 100 years. There numbers are large enough to make a large part of the world's population. Most of the fantasy races are sapient and sociable enough to integrate into human society.

A century of integration is enough to keep it from ending up in district 9 territory, since several generations of humans have grown up with the newcomer races/species.

>>8222399
Really damn cheesy, but somehow appropriate.

>>8222399
They wouldn't give a shit about feeding them, just look at what happened during the end stages of the war. If not, it would only drag on longer.

>>8222399
July 16, 1945, trinity test event?

That's probably far enough back to keep everything working. This is good.

>>8222388

A colliding beam, storage ring accelerator was first proposed by Gerard O'Neill of Princeton in 1956, who built an electron-electron system beginning in 1957 (operational in 1962, first collisions in 1964) with assistance from Burton Richter, William C. Barber and Bernard Gittelman.[1]

The atomic thing also works well with this:
>>8222377
They've always existed, but it took a cataclysm to fully break the seal between our worlds.

How would seventy years of magical development change technology as we know it? Do we have constructed magical intelligences overseeing the communication grid? Is the US president a sorcerer?

>>8222434
Also this explains why nuclear weapons are outlawed without hiroschima/nagasaki .. and you can send your pc`s into the iran to prevent a second merging

>>8222377
>>8222399
I think combining these two is the way to go.

For countless hundreds of thousands of years the earth and the aether were barred from each other, contained by cruel wards of unimaginable strength and potency.

Through their madness and glory the humans fratured the universe itself, shattering the seal and returning the two worlds to their rightful embrace.

The ancient, twisted powers that set in motion the original warding are slowly, so slowly, beginning to notice. They are not pleased.

I hate to say it guys... but this is starting to sound like the super mario bros movie.

>>8222448
So Japan is still a social backwards dictatorship run by the Emperor?

>>8222448
Wait, what? A second merging?

>>8222456
I haven't seen it, do share.

What, third impact?

>>8222451
....no cthulhu, you are not allowed to come allong

>>8222437
It wouldn't change much actually. Anyone showing talent would be either suppressed, accidentally blow themselves up as a child, or coscripted. The few actual students of magic would have to learn the skills elsewhere, most likely from the new arrivals. But the spark would finally come to fruition. Magic would probably be on the level of Urban Arcana though - no world shaking, powerful magics, but plenty of minor utilities and some potent nastiness from a very well trained individual, but nothign on the level of a full caster. The more powerful spellcasting races would also have to struggle with being dumbed down.

The most terrifying thing would be the fact that the fey have ALWAYS been here and have ALWAYS had magic. With the new influx, they just decided to show themselves a little more often. Unlike most other spellcasting races, dragons and fey didn't lose any of their abilities, making them very mistrusted and very, very dangerous - second only to the outsiders.

Clearly the dragons and true fey sided with the obvious strong player and fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, burning the cities to the ground and killing most of the populace.

>>8222463
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._%28film%29

>They find themselves in a strange dystopian parallel world where a human-like race evolved from dinosaurs rather than the mammalian ancestry of true humans. 65 million years ago a meteorite crashed into the Earth and in doing so ripped the universe into two parallel dimensions.

>>8222471

so Japan will be fiercly anti-mythics, exterminating them whenever they can? this could work.

>>8222471
Not only them - you think Mt. Saint Helens was a natural disaster? That the Hiti quake was natural? Those were dragons - not assaulting, not destroying, but simply....waking up.

>>8222485
FUCK YOUUUU DRAGOOON AND FEEEEEEY

>>8222479
It's been done plenty of times, bro. That doesn't make it a bad cliché.

>>8222466
:'(

>>8222485
>>8222457

So there's no anime in this settiing?

>>8222499

or 4chan

>>8222494
Keep telling yourself that.

>>8222503
my god where am i? do i even exist *poof*

What about the Asian dragons, and the kitsune and whatnot?

>>8222513
They replace the half of the population that died.

>>8222513
regional variation corresponding to where they are geographically on earth?

I have to wonder exactly what the mythics were experiencing while mankind fucked around with rocks and particle colliders.

>>8222513
Kitsune are fey, not simply monster-kind. That puts them under the 'always present, never seen' bit. Dragons, again, are more kin to forces of nature. you can't understand them, you cvan't really reason with them,. you cna watch and observe and talk with them, but they're fudnamentally different from anything - including the mosnterkind. The fey you can at least plan for, in vague ways. Dragons are truly alien, even to the monster-kind.

No one knows if they were always here, or if they were also crossovers. But they frighten everything.

WMG DRAGONS PLANNED THE COLLAPSE/MERGE

>>8222513
They exist in Japan's uninhabited areas. The Japanese government is happy to tolerate them so long as they don't come near the cities. Occasionally more open-minded people will journey out to speak with them; they are very old and wise after all.

Dragons did 9/11

>>8222550
DRAGONS LOVE GOLD

JEWS LOVE GOLD

LIBERTARIANS LOVE GOLD

MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE

>>8222528
MILLENNIA OF RAVES, LOUD MUSIC AND COCAINE

>>8222552
And gnolls get racially profiled because of it!

What are the factions? Silver Flame, obviously, but probably not the original one. The Socialist Party for Human/Mythic Equality, the HURP... who else?

>>8222552
lol

Actually in the Tad Williams book mentioned above, a dragon literally does 9/11 in the parallel fairy-world. Matches the same event here chronologically, and the worlds tend to mirror each other with major events like disasters or the industrial revolution.

But that's kinda a tangent.

Archived.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8221751

Alternate Histories traditionally have a change point at a major event in history. The further in the past it is, the more the world has changed. If you want the world to look more like it does today, set the event in the recent past of the game setting. 2012?

Also check out Shadowrun.


Modern games beg for Google Earth.

>>8222571
The Triad and the Russian mafia are both mixed-species orgs now. The Russian mafia is headed by panserbjorn.

>>8222587
the last three today were less than archive worthy, but finally we've milked the OC out of it again. At the least we have a backbone of date, event (flashpoint?) and can work out a timeline.

>>8222571
The Socialist Party for Equal Mythic/Human Relations

>>8222611
To be honest, none of the RP threads were worth archiving. This one is because it's actually worldbuilding and fluff expansion rather than self-indulgent pseudoracist circlejerking.

>>8222601
The Triad grunts are mostly lesser fey and goblins.

>>8222571
>>8222615
The Socialist Party for Equal Rights for Mythics.

SPERM, lol.

Has the thread died?

>>8222674
Seems so

>>8222628
Well there is a RL terrorist group called MILF

>>8222598
I think the flashpoint works better further back, like 1940s as Russ suggested. There's going to take a decade or more worth of adjustment, and if it's a couple of generations back you can do modern (current) day stuff with everything mostly stable.

You could also set a game in the 40s-50s in the middle of the mythic crisis, or the cold war further ahead etc.

>>8222674
I'm still watching it, but I'm browsing on an awkward laptop so I can't really batter out any long, detailed ideas, just drop in short comments.

>>8222692
Yeah, the Trinity merging point is the best we got.

>>8222699
I'm typing on a netbook keyboard as wide as my hand is long. I'm sure you can manage.

>>8222692
I think it works best in modern times, the near future (ie next ten years), as you said, it gives things time to settle down.

>>8222734
The other reason for further back is it allows a few generations for the "mythic immigrants", at least the ones with a human or shorter lifespan. You get mythics and families who've lived on earth, in America or wherever their whole lives. First generation touches a bit too close to refugees.

I'm going to play a twitchy human technophile who insists that the dragons are responsible for everything from 9/11 to Krakatoa.

But if dragons are legendary forces of destruction we won't be able to have indomitable shenanigans and TPKs delivered by self-satisfied draconic dungeon masters.

>>8222863
So only the old dragons are epic-level, the young adults and juveniles are just arrogant scaly cats.

>>8222863
any suggestion to fix that? maybe dragons have a lot of offspring, but only a very small number survive long enough to grow into massive powerful adults?

Get a bunch of arrogant juvenile dragons who think they're hot shit but like mixing it up with the mortals.

>>8222892
>>8222891
Juvenilemind.

We did a terrible thing.

An atrocity. It should not have caused what it did.

When we first created the device that would prove for once and for all that the atom could be split, Oppenheimer was nervous. Before he had always been calm, collected. Even excited. Not that day. He admitted later - years later - that he had been visited, or suffered a visitation. We now know it was the former. An androgynous, slender figure, tall, with dark, beautiful eyes spoke to him the night before, warning him that the shape of the world was determined by the eyes of those who looked upon it.

We broke the finest piece of the universe, and so broke the universe itself.

>>8222909
The finest piece of the Universe being what, precisely?

When we split the atom at Trinity that fateful morning, attempting an end to one of the bloodiest, most horrific wars in all humankind's history, we achieved our goal. The result was that one fourth of all humankind simply vanished. And fully half of the remainder were replaced. They were replaced by creatures that our children see on the streets every day now, hear about in the news, work with us and against us. We call them monsters, but then, to them, we are also monsters. That term has no connotations as once it did before.

The faery returned - had never really left, actually. What was myth and legend and story became all to real, all too factual. Magic, as well, though magic was actually the least of the problems. The war quickly ground to a halt as both sides dealt with a third side, and the monsters fought for their own survival in the midst of war. If they had not appeared all across the world then things would have truly gone badly for them, and things might be different. As it stood, the population had sharply dropped, and there was an equivalent exchange, leaving the world inundated with monsters and monsters to cope with alien forces they knew little about.

>>8222931
Finest as in smallest, not best.

>>8222931
Fissile uranium apparently.

>>8222972
'I am become - what the FUCK is THA-'

>>8222909

>>8222972
>>8222909
It is coming together...

>>8222972
While the war ground to a halt, in many places the monsters simply moved in, making places for themselves as humans struggled to recover from the abrupt disappearance of half of the world's population in a single moment. The fact that many spoke native languages was helpful; but they were on occasion as aggressive as humankind, in some ways even more so. In other ways they were less so, and they lacked numbers. Before anything was settled, a mere few weeks after the incident had occurred, the first of THEM woke from slumber.

The dragon - there was no other name for it - destroyed Hiroshima. Then Nagasaki. It did not go out of it's way to do so. It simply....arose in Hiroshima, and traveled to Nagasaki. It laid waste to two cities, as a by-product of its very existence. That, more than any one thing, ended both the war, and the hostilities, for quite some time.

It was the faery who helped integrate the others into human world. Technology was as alien to them as their magics were to us, yet the principles and ideas of both could be understood. Talent, it seems, is needed for either - a certain world view, a way of looking at reality. Their greatest magics were gone, our greatest technology had wrecked our world. Both moved forward, albeit slowly.

>>8223048
WMG, the really fucking old dragons are the caretakers of causalty and some events -must- happen.

i am so proud of you this morning /tg/

>>8223048
While the Dragon of Hiroshima was the first, it was not the last. Mount St. Helens, the tsunami of Hawaii, the flood of the Yangtze....they were disasters, but no longer natural. Dragons rose, one or two for every great landmass and several more in the oceans. Lesser dragons arrived, small, cunning things of power and intelligence, but they feared the Wyrms as much as anything alive did. They were monsters as well, while the Wyrms were...other.

It was the fey who started integration. They had always been present, in all places, stories and folk tales, both human and monster. They forced cajoled, teased, and slowly brought together monsters and humans into larger communities. Oh, that made them no less dangerous or capricious. Even now the Elves slip into the edges of the less civilized areas, studying, gently making us aware of their presence, only to give gentle reminders and push us lightly towards unity.

So we arrive in the modern age, still fractious - even among ones own kind, the racial divides are strong, and this holds true of monsters and humans alike! - and still contentious, but with the knowledge that there are things the dragons, strongest monsters of all fear, and the Wyrms are not the only thing that is Other out there....

All done - I have to do some things. Simple fluff, that's all.

>>8223069
WMG?

>>8223110
>>8223048
>>8222972
>>8222909

Yes.

>>8223117
Wild mass guess. It's a TVTropes term. Good work with the backstory.

>>8223117
wild mass guessing.

thank you fluff guy!

As an option, make Angels and Devils, and Modrons and Demons and so forth - basically, any outsider you like - potential adversaries. Breaking open the door between universes allows them in, and great acts of magic OR technology - which are really two sides of the same coin - can allow them into our world to wreak havoc. It gives an antagonist that isn't race warfare as an option for conflict. Also, not so much cthulhu or far realm stuff, but alien to both monsterkind and humankind,. and not necessarily 'religious' as much as just 'alien'. Or in fact, actual star-faring aliens. That would allow for the higher power that outsiders have compared to most other creature types to hold true as well as allowing for tieflings and aasimar or tainted mutations.

>>8223148
>>8223143
Thank you.

>>8223183
You're welcome. I can do more than write lesbian guro porn, after all.

>>8223321
I want to run an all-monster group infiltrating Nazi Germany in the last days of the war, or Russia during the Cold war, and discovering Hitler/the Russian leadership is in cahoots with an Archdemon.

If the Coldwar still took place, would the Vietnam War happen? It's reasonable to say some mythics would be part of the us military by then...

I see an orc jumping out of a huey with an m60 held in one oversized hand.

>>8223321
...

Xiombarg?

bump for /tg/ getting shit done.

>>8223488
None other.

Amusing isn't it.

>>8223440
I think ti would, but it would have been a lot shorter. Too many strange mosnters llive in thos eplaces now, and while the more humanoid monsters might have been inducted into American military, conservatism might have prevented them from taking in the really dangerous monsters - which the Viet Cong would have had a lot less qualms with, given their more superstitious culture in general.

Shorter fight, more backlash, and deeper veteran problems; issues with humanoids being treated worse than human vets, etc.

Wait, isn't this basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

>>8223852
No, Shadowrun revolved around magic suddenly rocking up and mutating people into elves and whatnot.

>>8223852
It's actually the low-magic version for what was the basis of a friend's high magic version of this scenario. It's only tangentially related to rifts - the doors are closed, for now, and the replacement effect wasn't in any of the above.

Bumpan, might as well aim for autosage.

Sometimes when humanity tries to achieve a feat of technology, they will suffer through serious setbacks and accidents, people will suffer and the researchers often have terrible nightmares. These are often attributed to the monsters, but that is rarely the case. It is the fey trying to avert another catastrophe such as the Trinity Event.

The terrifying thing is that humans, being as stubborn and bull headed as any minotaur or ogre, will bull their way through setback upon setback. And then all the interference will cease....along with any faery activity in the city, or on occasion that area of the country. And when they manage their new feat of technology, sometimes it will fail on its own. But when it doesn't...

Tales of horrible monsters accompanying flashes of unearthly light are told. Strange figures moving in the shadows. Rashes of madness, terrible murders of human and monster alike, terrifying dreams and visions, good and evil, driving children from their beds in terror. And the device is found in the ruins of the laboratories, with no sign that anything human had ever lived there.

I am not sure if it makes me feel better or worse that monsters seeking to recapture their lost magics cause the same terrible occurrences....

>would be the most suitable systems for running a game set in this world.

>based on my experience of no other systems

>>8224291
Good lord you're a tool.

What would you suggest as an alternative, oh mighty and knowledgeable sagefag?

>>8224291
What would you suggest? Rifts? Castle Falkenstien? Gods forbid, Modern d20?

We discussed the advantages of Pathfinder. nWoD has some potential, but unfortunately, it will rely on making up the monster stats on the whole. You could use the flaws and merits to adjust it to an extent, and upgrade baseline humans to an extent, but realistically (ha ha) Pathfinder and FantasyCraft are the only two games were Monster PCs aren't horribly overpowered or underpowered compared to the PC classes and races.

Even if you use NPC classes for all humans, you can just upgrade them by a single level or two to make them equivalent to the CR of monsters - which, BTW, would allow for a 'lower magic' setting as most magic adepts have aren't particularly flashy or high potency combat wise. You could even downgrade monster abilities in the same fashion, using Adept spell list as a guideline.

My father fought in Vietnam; he doesn't talk about it much, cept when drunk, or when he doesn't think I'm listening. He said it was hell on earth, only hotter, and he hates the fucks who sent him and his friends over to die. No one thought the mythics would fight for the Commies! Well why the fuck wouldn't they, huh? Seriously? Say what you will about the Communists, but they were certainly more egalitarian towards humanity's new neighbors, unlike certain other nations. But that's in the past; we got slaughtered and we called it a phased retreat, and my father held his friend close as his flesh sloughed from his bones. I still have no idea why he doesn't blame mythics for it all. He must be a damn fair man I must say.

I really don't know why I brought this up, didn't really learn much from him.

>>8224328
The choice of system depends on when the monster races appear.
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If it takes place in a modern setting (late 19th century on), World of Darkness is actually pretty good. Change the physical stats for Monster-kin, and change the rules for Magic depending on your tastes, whether you consider magic or science stronger, or even equal.

I actually had an idea for a combination world of Sherlock Hound and Porco Rosso and Tale Spin that might be more suited for the fantasy RPGs.

What we have here should be left as a setting that the gaming group adapts to their needs.

Bump to counteract my sage from another thread.

over/under powered what-evers shoulden't be an issue if you actually role play.

>>8224441
Good in theory, difficult in practice. Too much difference exists in monster vs human stats and appearances. Best to keep things as equal as possible. Though, in WoD it would be easy to limit stat point allocation and enforce them in others. The 'one point in each stat' becomes 'two in each stat, with one being moved up or down in certain areas for racial differences' or the like.

>>8224492
>Good in theory, difficult in practice.

Uh, no, not difficult at all, if you actually do RP and not just do the RP optional board game deal (see: D&D).

Numbers, stats, rules are just suggestions, things to lean back on to if youw ant to, they are and never should be the default go to, that is allways your concept and the story that's being told, not the rules/numbers.

>>8224534
>>8224492
>>8224441
>>8224411
>>8224291
>>8224398
Best suggestion: deal with systems to run it in on an as needed by GM's basis.

Bump

bump due to goodness

bump. nice to see the thread is still around.