......why would anyone do that to Sam?

Goddammit, Sam just wants the best for everyone.

Sounds like he wants to derail your campaign. Don't fall for this trick; just have events keep going as if nothing actually happened

this

>>8104676
Maybe he wants a hostage? To strongarm a paladin...
Would that even work?

>>8104730
Thank you spambot I'm thankful not to be there too.

If the jackass cleric has henchmen, and the Paladin is 10 levels higher than him, that means the Paladin has Zone of Truth.
...So yeah, he knows the cleric's name, address and shoe size.

>>8104682

>leep going as if nothing actually happened

Wrong answer, because this makes you a railroading faggot.

It seems your player is trying to make the paladin fall. This may or may not work, depending on how truly LG the paladin is.

Did he get the daughter?

Hmm, I think the cleric wants him to go Black Guard

Sounds like it's Grey Guard time.

your cleric is a dead man.
your rogue player is awesome.
that Paladin is the star in a B-Action Movie plotline.

>>8104780
He did. The rogue specified that he let the one with the girl get away so that the Paladin would have a reason to chase after the cleric.

>>8104655

First of all, unless the Cleric uses any divination spells, don't tell him what the Paladin is doing.

Secondly, the Paladin should be having an internal struggle between wanting to seek vengeance for his family, and trying to stay cold and objective about the situation. In either case, he will try to hunt the PC down, either personally or through henchmen (depending on how lawful he is/what is day-to-day duties are).

In any case, simply by killing his wife, torching his house, and doing something terrible to his infant daughter, don't let the Paladin fall. This is the sort of trial-by-fire thing that Paladins dig. Unless the player has something truly original in mind (and he better, otherwise don't hold back the obvious inevitability of SMITE EVIL), the Paladin will eventually hunt him down, and kill him.

>>8104831

Ok. Have the paladin under some anti-scry field, to keep the cleric from monitoring his actions.

In the meantime, let the player have the infant. Try to discern his motives.

>>8104655
>cleric of Asmodeus
That explains the "total bastard" thing, but leaves some questions on the topic of "suicidally retarded".

ruin his day
paladin drops him off at his superior's feet
they may or may not have vows but they can sure as hell take him to the inquisition and mind fuck the information out. Cleric of Asmodeus to boot. Perfect target of some LG smiting.

The problem I can forsee is that he could use the party to try and fight back or just have some general dickish scheme planned for this. That is where rouges 10 levels higher than him come in. Send some inquisitorial agents to nab the girl from under his nose and some Paladins to curb stomp the PC to the brink of death so he can be tried and horribly executed by "A plea of innocence is GUILTY! of wasting my time" sorta judge. Also, soul trap/banish shred the soul of the mofo so he can't pull off some daemonic ritual or join his dark master in the afterlife.

>>8104898
>LG
>>8104885
>LN
>>8104855
>LE

I am pleased by these responses, and will bear them all in mind.

>>8104978
be sure to post and tell us about it if something epic happens :D

>>8104896
I can only hope he's actually got a plan here, like... Maybe sacrificing the girl to his deity for a favor? If his plan is to get the Paladin to fall, he's gonna have a hard time of it unless he does a REALLY good job of framing someone.

>>8104978
You thought >>8104898 was lawful good? Jesus fucking Christ, I hope you never run for government.

>>8105044
I seem to have got my numbers backwards... The guy *labeled* LE was LE.

well OP, what can i say. it's your fault for letting CE characters in a party. you deserve what you got.

>>8105073
Oh WOW. Yeah, totally backwards.

>>8104855 was LG,
>>8104898 was LE.

>>8104655
That picture will forever be Stannis to me.

>>8105084
I don't know if it's CE yet, he might have an actual plan here beyond doing it for the lulz. If this is part of a well orchestrated scheme to get the Paladin to tip the political scales blah blah, it might only be NE.
One way or the other, it was incredibly fucking stupid.

>>8105108

>>8105116
okay, chaotic= operating outside the law, doesnt care about implications of actions, etc. evil= i think we all know.

if this dude's alignment isnt' ALREADY CE someone is doing something wrong. DM needs to switch it for him and drop him 2 levels in experience for it.

>>8105128
That's the thread where I got the picture. It really does fit Stannis, doesn't it?
Heh. You know that means Tin, right? Always thought that was funny. Stannis the Tin-Man. Needs a heart.

>>8105143
He's operating outside of the law, but he has never pulled shit like this before. He's been way more NE hitherto, this is a bold step in a crazy direction.

Simple.

The paladin sounds like an important man.
He seems to know the local leader.
The paladin obviously know who'se the culprit by now.

-Put a very large bounty on the cleric (wanted alive)** and have letters sent to the neighbor duchies/nations/whatever to warn them,

-Reward for bringing the girl back.

-Anyone who is found to hide information on the cleric's wayabouts will be considered criminals as well.


This leaves the party two choice. Help the cleric and become hunted as well, give the cleric and get rewarded.
**That way he can be "shown the error of his ways".
Failing that, get the paladin to demand help from his God, and show how 10 levels and being a good guy goes.

Don't forget, the paladin knows his girl would become a martyr if she's killed (thus her soul is basically safe) AND he knows that if the cleric kills her, he don't have any leverage left. You can expect some truly epic divine retribution if that happens.
Really, your player didin't plan his thing thoroughly.

>>8105172
then change his alignment and drain levels for being an ass like is supposed to happen

>>8105152
Needs a pair of balls, more like. Bitch-slap wife, kill priestess, become king through sheer force of frowning.

>>8105178
I think it'd be interesting to run a campaign which is entirely based off of "You kidnapped that Paladin's daughter, and now they've launched a global Inquisition AGAINST THE PARTY."

With the right players, you could keep it going for like, two sessions before the pallies burn the players at the stake and declare their names Anathema.

>the paladin knows his girl would become a martyr if she's killed (thus her soul is basically safe) AND he knows that if the cleric kills her, he don't have any leverage left.

That is a terrifying notion.
"I'll kill the girl!"
"No you won't."
"...What?"
"You won't, because if you kill the girl, you have no leverage yet. The only reason I haven't had a Solar twist your head off yet is that you have my daughter. If she dies, I will rest easy knowing that her soul is safe... But you will die. And unlike mine, your god does not look kindly on wasted investments."

>>8105291
I swear to god, if it comes up, I'm using that.

I want to hear the results of this, it'll be like watching Diehard.

>>8105073
we are tricky like that

LG paladin stuff? First of all, take the prisoner alive and confirm that he's actually involved in this atrocity. Having him unconscious on my doorstep with blooded knives in hand is a bit too convenient, and could be a frame job - the last thing I want is to SMITE EVIL on the wrong guy.

Then get in touch with fellow paladins, knight-brothers in my holy order, clerics etc. By whatever means are acceptable to my god I will find out who orchestrated this attack. I will then enlist the aid of my holy brethren - paladins, clerics, avengers. This blow was struck against my family, against innocents undeserving of such a fate, and was clearly meant as a blow against myself and what I stand for. Thus, the perpetrator is an enemy of my order and of my god, and it is in the interest of my order to hunt this foe down.

Then I will put on my Righteous Retribution face. In the name of my god, I will see those who slew my family brought to account - not vengeance, but justice. I will find out who they are, I will track them down, and I will see them pay for their crimes.

Nothing will stop me. Not oceans, not deserts, not storms or wildfires. No matter stone he might hide under or hole he might crawl into, the light of my righteous cause will fall upon him and he will be purged. I will fill my heart not with fury or rage, but with steadfast determination and single-minded tenacity. My faith in my god will nourish and sustain me, and keep my purpose pure.

>>8105407
>>8105178

Pretty much combine those two.

THREE COUNTS SOLICITING KIDNAPPERS, THREE COUNTS CONSPIRACY FOR ARMED ROBBERY, THREE COUNTS OF COMMISSIONING ABDUCTION, THREE COUNTS SOLICITING ASSASSINS, THREE COUNTS CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER, THREE COUNTS CONSPIRACY TO BREAK AND ENDER, THREE COUNTS OF FAILURE TO REPORT A CRIME.
TOTAL PUNISHMENT: 702 CONSECUTIVE LIFE SENTENCES IN THE ISO-PLANE, 12 DEATHS BY HANGING.

If there are Hellknights in this setting, call them.

>>8105558
What if he resists arrest?

>>8105558
Also three counts of conspiracy to commit arson.

>>8105581
add 3 counts of resisting arrest and arrest him anyway, duh

>>8105581
ONE COUNT OF RESISTING ARREST, TWO COUNTS DISRESPECTING A HELLKNIGHT, ONE COUNT OF PUBLIC EXPOSURE, ONE COUNT OF ATTEMPTED MURDER TOWARDS A HELLKNIGHT, ONE COUNT OF WASTING HELLKNIGHT MANPOWER AND TIME.
SENTENCE: 102 YEARS IN ISO-PLANE CONFINEMENT WITH POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE AFTER 80.

>>8105641
What's an Iso-Plane? Is it on the Astral Plane, so that they guy HAS to live through it all? Because that would be fucking hilarious.

The player is either
A: completely insane
B: an idiot
C: he has some scheme going on

>>8105407
This is beautiful. I applaud you.

>>8105558
It is Pathfinder, yes, but it's all set in upper Varisia. Maybe the Paladin should know some people in Korvosa... Everyone knows that Order of the Nail is the best order.

>>8105407
Paladin Saminar's Journal, Day 104:
I have tracked the infernal wretches through the dark temple. It lies stained with the blood of the wicked. Those who kidnapped my daughter and destroyed my home, my wife's murderers, had fled through a gateway to the Ninth Level of Hell...Asmodeus' plane. I have long known that they were devotees of the Tyrant, but they did not appear to have this much influence with their dark god when they murdered my wife.

The Order is in shambles behind me, and only Initiate Cersus remained to put the temple to the torch. Should I ever return from this, I shall petition for the Sun Father to grant him sainthood.

I fear I shall never know the Shining One's touch again, for my powers have fled from me in this dark place. I will not falter, though. Justice must be done, and I will not take the easy path. I will follow these monsters to Asmodeus' very feet if I must, and spit in his eye as I smite him with whatever divine might remains within me.

>>8105703
>The order of the nail

IF YOU ENDEAVORED FOR THE NEXT 200 YEARS TO ENGINEER A POSITION IN WHICH YOU WERE MORE SCREWED THAN YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD BE GUILTY OF 200 COUNTS OF CONSPIRACY TO OVERTURN A SENTENCE, BUT YOU WOULD ALSO FAIL, BECAUSE NEVER HAS ANYONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD EVER BEEN IN A SITUATION EVEN HALF SO DIRE AS YOURS.

YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE LAW, YOUR STOLEN GOODS ARE NOW FORFEIT. HOPE YOU ROT, CRIMINAL SCUM.

>>8105800
...Also being used.
Might get the Godclaw in there too though, they'll be pissed that a cleric of Asmodeus (whom they technically worship) would break the law.
...That's heresy. Anyone know what the punishment for heresy is in Cheliax?

>>8105876
Have you ever had your retinas fucked by a Pit Fiend cock?

>>8105407
The Inquisitor Class was MADE to defeat assassins and rogues at their own game, and he'll undoubtedly have a batch of them start hunting for the perpetrators....

>>8105907
There's an Inquisitor class?

>>8105950
Who is the boss of you?

>>8105950
Yeah, in the 'totally not PHBII' they're putting out soon.
It's like a bard made of smiting.

>>8106017
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player%27s_Handbook#Dungeons_.26_Dragons_4th_edition

You mean Player's Handbook 3: Psionic, Divine and Primal Heroes?

>>8105999
ME! I AM THE BOSS OF YOU! I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!

did you try asking when other players weren't around why he was planning on doing this?

>>8106034
No, the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Handbook.
Apologies for the confus.

>>8105950
You mean the RUNEPRIEST?

>>8106049
Your players are standing in the Darkness of Sin.

They are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

Fuck with the idiot cleric from the other direction.

By going and screwing with this paladin, he just upset some very careful political games that his superiors were playing, and ensured that they would have to make serious compensation or risk a loss of face they can't afford. Or a war against the paladins that they aren't ready for.

So when the cleric decides to brag about his accomplishments to one of his superiors over some drinks, they smile, nod, slip him a roofie, and hand his unconscious ass over to the paladins.

>>8106162
No, no, no.

The other clerics' eyes widen in fear, and they make a sign to ward off Good.

The Paladins are coming.

THE SHADOWS BRING EVIL. THEY RAPE, THEY KILL, THEY STEAL. THEY DECEIVE, THEY TURN BLIND EYES, THEY BRIBE AND CHEAT.

BUT THE LIGHT.

THE LIGHT BRINGS WRATH. THE LIGHT BRINGS JUSTICE. WHEN THE SHADOWS COME NEAR TO THE LIGHT, THEY ARE SCORCHED. WHEN THEY SNATCH THOSE PRECIOUS TO THE LIGHT, THE INVITE THE FULL WRATH OF THE GODS ONTO THEM.

THE MIGHTY FIST OF THE RIGHTEOUS BROOKS NO CRIME. THE VERY *SKIES* COME CRASHING DOWN UPON THOSE WHO MAKE PERSONAL ENEMIES OF THE VIRTUOUS. WHEN THE FULL WRATH OF JUSTICE IS EXPENDED, NOT EVEN *RAVENS* WILL SEE FIT TO SCAVENGE UPON THE REMAINS OF HIS BROKEN BODIES.

WHEN AT LONG LAST HE BEGS FOR MERCY, THROWING HIMSELF AT THE FEET OF HIS HOLINESS, HE WILL SHED NO TEARS. HE WILL NOT SCOWL. HE WILL NOT STRIKE DOWN THE CRIMINAL, MUCH AS HE MAY DESERVE IT.

NO. HE WILL TAKE THAT CRIMINAL AND REFORGE HIM INTO A MAN OF WORTH. WHETHER IT TAKES A WEEK TO BREAK HIS WILL OR A LIFETIME OF THE PALADIN'S GAUNTLET AGAINST HIS THROAT TO RESTRAIN HIM.

THIS SHADOW WILL NEVER AGAIN BE ALLOWED TO WALK IN DARKNESS. THE BEACON OF VIRTUE WILL BURN AT HIS SIDE FOR EVER.

>>8106162
That's a pretty good point, this move is so patently ridiculous, nobody's going to try and help him after it. If they don't sell him out *fast*, he might have spelled the doom of their order.

>>8106185

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills that I have acquired over a very long career; skills that make me a nightmare for people like you."

>>8106229
THIS IS YOUR PALADIN.

If I were OP-DM, I'd make the clerics obvious plan to have the paladin fall go horribly, horribly wrong. If he had tried this with a fairly normal paladin, it might have resulted something less terrifying.

But 8-10 levels higher? Fall? Oh no, not this guy.

The cleric better pray this is a paladin of the more pacifist gods. A martial agent of a pacifist god. He might survive with his life. If we're talking about something like the lawful good god of punishing and smiting evil, then there is no form of personal revenge aside from hurting uninvolved innocents, that could make this paladin fall.

He has been wronged in a most profound way, and there must be punishment. Just, but not nice.

>>8105760
Go on...

>>8106229
Liam Neeson made murder so sexy in that movie.

He made new agey Jedi rhetoric sexy in Star Wars.

I'm waiting for him to make Greek mythology sexy again.

Smite Evil
/thread

>>8106288
If this is Pathfinder, he's a Paladin, and he knows people in Korvosa...
Yeah, he's probably a follower of either Iomadae or... Seranrae. Iomadae is pretty much a Sister of Battle (except a god), and Seranrae is Pelor with tits.

>>8106351
>Iomadae
>Sarenrae
Both of these deities are female. The cleric had a mother murdered and her child stolen.
The cleric is going to die. And it's going to hurt.

>>8106351

Honestly, even a paladin of Pelor with Tits wouldn't be inclined to keep this fucker alive. The important part is just to keep a clear line between just vengeance and bitter revenge, and _firmly_ keep the paladin in the right side of things. A Cleric of Asmodeus that does deeds like this is not something to be redeemed, but something to be put down, before he ruins other lives.

Could the Paladin bring his wife back to life, you suppose? That's probably something the cleric wasn't expecting.

>>8105407
Awesome. You do those monologues at the table?

>>8106311
Paladin Saminar's Journal, Day 133:
I stand before Asmodeus' court. I am awash in the acrid blood of Pit Fiends. I have been unable to sleep, bathe, or keep my beard trimmed properly in the Style of Pelor for weeks. My blade is pockmarked and nicked from the infernal creatures' bones.

I am unsure of how I have found the time to write here. The scrolls of Pelor insist that the Dictator Fiend's wounds produce the smaller demons constantly. Perhaps they gather behind the obsidian door before me, readying an ambush.

I welcome their assault.

Each fiend I strike down reassures my place in the afterlife, beside the spirits of my family. Each wound that stings with the blood of these beasts renews my dedication to the cause.

Pelor may not be able to assist me in this Dark Plane, but I will bring the Light of his Justice to it all the same. I will punish the wicked. I will charge into the throne room of the Master of Darkness himself, and I will smite him as I smite all evil.

I must go now. The gate opens.

>>8106417
Achaekek declares a beatdown party! Whoever kills the cleric first wins!

>>8106445
For that matter, the Church of Asmodeus is going to be on this fucker like white on rice. They're Evil, not Stupid, and one of the things with Lawful Evil is a proper understanding of both hierarchies and Cover Your Ass procedures. Everybody from Asmodeus himself on down is going to disown the cleric for being so flagrantly stupid as to do this without any orders from on high whatsoever. And because handing over an idiot as damage control costs them nothing.

>>8106519
It costs them an idiot. Technically, they've come out ahead.

>>8104655
>>Stannis.jpg

>>8106516
RED MANTIS ASSASSINS AND PALADINS AND HELLKNIGHTS WORKING TOGETHER.
HAVE A NICE FUCKING DAY CLERIC.

>>8106560
Of course, the Paladin's wife was secretly a Red Mantis Assassin who fell in love with the man who thwarted her once. He-Who-Walks-On-Blood may not take kindly to retirement, but he DEFINITELY doesn't take kindly to people killing his fucking minions.

>>8106445
>>8106417
I always liked this one death an NPC suffered in a game I was in once.
It was the first hinting that the kindly old priest of pelor that hung around and gave us divine magic discounts was a major villain when this brigand made off with most of the valuables and set the church on fire.
It was some kind of homebrew spell that exposed them to the 'light of good' or something to burn away impurities- You could make will saves to fully devote yourself away from it and get out, or accept an alignment change.
Until then, you were stuck under heatlamps until you made a save or accepted good, with the worst sunburn ever.

...So the cleric uses a wisdom-draining poison to drop his wisdom to three, hits him with a Suggestion not to accept the alignment change out, and left him in a backroom, healing him occasionally.

We shat bricks when we found him.

>>8106604
If she's a high enough level to be a Mantis, that means she can be ressurected.
Which means that she's going to be tearing the fucking sod up chasing this cleric down alongside her husband.

...The OP never suggested the wife was a Red Mantis, did he? Fuck it, he ain't here.

>>8106655
Point of order: If she were a R-Mantis, she'd have just killed the Assassins. You don't out-mantis a mantis.

>>8106613
That's actually an awesome sounding spell.

>>8106501
I fucking approve. Hell yeah Paladin!

>>8106707
Convert to LG or die?

I wanted to play D&D. I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition...

>>8106738
I think it's considerably nicer than just killing the guy. Killing an evil man condemns him to an eternity of fire, turning him good grants him an afterlife of hot-ass bitches and sunshine.

>>8106738
It was supposedly meant as a redemption tool against vampires.

>>8106683
The child's an infant and this setting probably doesn't have formula, so just assume that they hit the mother while she was nursing the baby.

Also assume that she still managed to hit one of the assassins with something that killed him after he'd "escaped", and only died because she was taken by surprise and was holding back so as not to risk hurting the baby.

The paladin tracks him down and fucking murders the shit out of him, then takes his treasure to pay for having his family ressurrected. End of derail attempt.

>>8106802
That is CONSIDERABLY less fun than this other dude who's writing Paladin journal entries. Screw your campaign, Paladin is now main focus. Party can abandon their cleric friend, or protect him and see where that gets them

>>8106788
That makes a scary amount of sense, but...
How the hell are the guys keeping the baby alive then?

>>8106827
Read the OP. At least one of the other players is already backstabbing the cleric and the cleric doesn't even know it.

>>8106886
I did. My point was that he should play this whole thing up, not just let the cleric get IMMEDIATELY fucked.

>>8106501
Paladin Saminar's Journal, Day 142:
It is done. The Cleric of Asmodeus, his party of thieves and murderers, accomplices in his dark deeds, are dead. Pit Fiend corpses spread as far as the eye can see. Asmodeus himself lies at my feet. As a god, he cannot truly be killed except by another god, but the wounds I have inflicted on him since our battle have kept him at bay. Surely, the power of Good has shone on me in this Dark place, for me to have prevailed in single combat with an Astral Demon on his own plane.

My own wounds are so extensive that I cannot tell the putrid blood of these Fiends from mine own. My blade is so dull now that it is little more than a metal club. My armor has long since burned away from the acidic coating of demons' blood that covers me.

I am unsure of how my flesh endures where sanctified steel could not. Pelor help me, but I think this plane has affected me in ways I cannot understand.

Asmodeus stopped threatening me and calling me mortal yesterday. I can see the fear of Justice in his inhuman eyes, now. I think he understands that I will not yield until Pelor comes to relieve me.

I feel...strong.

>>8106911
I can see that. It can't just be a Paladin Falls everyone Dies (lol) it has to be meticulous. The Paladin goes through every hoop he has to, and just refuses to stop. He's going to find that cleric, and fucking kill him. He's fucking Nemesis.

>>8106865
They hired a wet nurse.

Dude, OP - your cleric PC now has a bounty on his head. Pretty much without doubt, since the paladin can question the remaining assassin. The cleric is also going to have one fucking hard time keeping an infant girl under wraps for long, given that he has to keep her alive to have any bargaining power for anything.

Meanwhile, if anyone finds out about what he's done they'll either kill or flip him. To his superiors he's now a bargaining token to try and ease pressure on other fronts by looking good here and making a nice pretty show of "catching" him. To most people, he's a head with a price tag - everyone and anyone is now a potential snitch for the money. And of course good-aligned people will want him dead or in chains.

All in all, dude's fucked. Question is, how much of this line of reasoning do you want to throw the party to see if they'll go behind his back to be the ones getting the benefit from dragging him in?

>>8106937
The Paladin stops to do exactly one thing: raise his Red Mantis Assassin wife so that she can be in on The Hunt, because she'd kick his ass if he didn't.

The floor is now paladins.

It is also entirely possible that this Paladin, being the highest level Paladin around, is also the best one suited to tracking these fiends down.

Paladins of Pelor often dress in civilian garb when on the move, and seek to protect the weak and innocent. Searching for the child he believes is taken is right up his alley, since it's protection, and there's nobody better at it than he--he's the highest ranked and most noble.

What I'd do, as this DM, is throw in some opportunities to screw over some innocents later on. Let the covertly moving Paladins establish a lead on this guy, and then track him down.

If you can, find a way for this dickbag to make a jump for power. Like, some kind of horridly evil artifact that you may be supposed to destroy but can conveniently be used by a cleric of evil.

Once this guy goes full retard and decides A God Am I, the Paladins can show up and just lead to a beatdown of epic proportions where this guy is just crushed for his stupidity.

Ideally, I'd like to make it so the other players side with the paladins, but if your team is mostly all Chaotic Stupid then just use this as a "Time to suffer some realistic consequences" ending to a campaign gone awry.

Bonus points, plot hook for new group. New quest giver, the Paladin. Destroy the artifact.

>>8107012
>The cleric is also going to have one fucking hard time keeping an infant girl under wraps for long, given that he has to keep her alive to have any bargaining power for anything.

OH SHIT, DM-OP! I just realized something - do one of those classic "crime gone wrong" moments. Has the cleric set up any way of caring for a newborn child? Does he have any food for her? Anyone who can nurse or care for her? A trusted, *competent* associate watching the fragile infant child?

If not, kill the baby. It's not intended, it's not part of the plan, but the idiot who was tasked with holding her couldn't get her to stop crying while a guard patrol was coming closer and closer and he just held her tightly under a pillow to keep her silent and... now what? The cleric's lost his bargaining chip, but the paladin doesn't know it yet.

>>8107102
Brilliant idea. I wholeheartedly support punishing Chaotic-Stupid aligned dumbshits.

You WILL keep us informed, won't you OP?

Because, fuck, I know next to nothing about DnD and yet I'm on the edge of my seat with all the possibilities here!

>>8107150
Goddamn better, this is justice! And it must be done.

Jeeze. I go to eat lunch and come back to this.
Red Mantis wife... You know, I've heard crazier ideas.

>>8106922
Saminar's Journal, Day 150:

Asmodeus began weeping this morning.

He begs me for mercy.

Pelor's edict is that I cannot strike down an unarmed opponent. I may not deny an enemy the chance to redeem himself.

But I must not suffer a demon to live. This being's very flesh is crafted from Evil itself.

I am unsure of what Pelor would wish of me, and still I cannot feel the Shining One's light in this infernal realm.

As if in answer to this question, my blade has resharpened itself. Is this a miracle from Pelor, or trickery on the part of the Fiend at my foot?

Can an Evil God turn away from Sin?

>>8107245
Holy fuck, dude, these are awesome.

>>8107245
Jesus fucking Christ, he took down Asmodeus?
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR TURNING A GUY INTO AN ACTION-MOVIE HERO CLERIC!

>>8107237
DO IT. DO IT FAGGOT.

>>8107245
Paladin Saminar's Journal, Day 155:
After much deliberation and futile prayer to my lost god, I have come to my decision.

A demon is a demon. Evil is evil. It is because of this Fiend that the Cleric could fuel his quest to burn my home, murder my beloved, and sacrifice my infant daughter on an infernal altar. It is because of this creature that my Order is lost, all of my friends butchered on the road to Justice.

No matter how fervently it may wish to be redeemed, this Dark God is incapable of it. It is impossible to redeem a thousand years of dark worship. Justice will not allow it!

I know now why Asmodeus fears me. Pelor's favor alone could not have brought me this far. To defeat a Demon Lord in single combat and keep him subdued is something even a demigod could only dream of.

Today, I will strike down this Fiend and sit upon his twisted throne. I will reshape this realm in the name of Good. I shall be like Mighty Pelor, but I shall not shirk away from what must be done. From now on, the Ninth Plane will be the Seat of Justice.

From now on, Saminar shall reign.

>>8107392
Fucking Epic.

>>8107392
I declare you the victor of this thread.

>>8107344
Done. I'll retcon the Paladin to be one of the men who overthrew Illeosa.

>>8107417
Oh yes: the next time that the cleric tries to call on Asmodeus for something, the only thing he should get is a divine voice hissing "SON, I AM DISAPPOINT" and then no more assistance.

>>8107392
NO

IF YOU KILL HIM YOU WILL BE JUST LIKE HIM

>>8107417
Wait wait. If he's the Paladin that killed Illeosa, wouldn't that mean he's wielding Serinthiel?

>>8105760
>>8106501
>>8106922
>>8107245
>>8107392
So read the Holy Scrolls of Saminar, the Slayer of Darkness, the Bringer of Justice!

Let all who would threaten peace and life quake in terror, for Saminar's followers will not stop at evil's doorstep! He who invaded Hell itself!

Let all who would slaughter the innocent weep, for Saminar's Justice knows no mercy! A man who slew a god!

All hail Saminar!

>>8107392
Goddamnit, Arthas

>>8107444
I think in this case it was more like "IF YOU KILL HIM, YOU WILL BE ULTIMATE KAMEN RIDER"

>>8107451
I think it's supposed to be "one of the men" specifically, and not THE man. He was one of the people watching the gate or something at the time, and not literally the person who brought her down.

Though if this thing survives long enough (which it shouldn't, really) you could have the paladin call up a favor from this guy he knew a few years back...

>>8107455
I'm glad you guys liked it.

It's always good to know my writing can keep somebody's interest.

I'd be interested to see what /tg/ can do with Saminar, mechanics-wise. I'm not all that great at statting things in 3.5...

>>8107498
I goddamn hope so. If this guy has like 10 levels on the cleric, anyone who actually FOUGHT the queen would be in the mid-20s.

>>8107523
A kickass mix of St. Cuthbert and Pelor would be my bet.

>>8107498
I hadn't considered having him be THE GUY. But...
Wow, that'd just be unfair. No, I can't bring myself to that level of cruelty. He was probably just someone's cohort.

>>8107344
I'd smite her evil.

>>8107451
And I'd swear fealty to her throne.

>>8107563
Remember, OP: Devotees of all the Good gods will be appalled at what was done.

Some of them will take up hunting the PCs just because it's the Right Thing To Do.

>>8107523
Lawful Good, although with the Law in question being that of Justice.

He is the one who is called in when a crime has been committed that puts the criminal beyond any hope of redemption other than having his soul itself rendered down and reforged. He is also the one who is called in when a dispute arises between different Good-aligned groups, since in that situation Justice is the only possible basis on which to make a choice.

At the same time, he is more lenient of temporary malfeasance in the service of good, a la Grey Guard. So long as you then seek to balance the scales afterward.

>>8107633
Maybe Lawful Neutral, then? Justice is blind, after all.

He fights evil, but he employs evil methods to do so.

His paladins wouldn't fall from killing unarmed prisoners or defeated opponents, obviously.

>>8107299
>>8107264
I think he may have fucking ascended.

>>8107563
Honestly, OP, just start from "you fucked up" and build from there - ratchet up the pressure by dropping more and more bombshells of just how badly the cleric's screwed until either the party dumps his body in a ditch somewhere or they find a way to turn his dumb ass into something useful.

First let it be known the paladin knows who did it. Post the bounty. Then just run from there - if the cleric turns to higher-ups for help, they try to snag him for their own purposes. If he tries to lay low, the commoners have loose lips and he has to try and keep a baby silent and healthy. If he tries to pawn off the baby, it dies and he's *really* fucked. If he hides in the darkness, there are bounty hunters and assassins who want him. If he tries to meld into the crowd, there are good-aligned clerics and paladins tasked with bringing him down and a price on his head no peasant can resist.

There will be no moment of peace or rest while he's alive - too many people want him for too many reasons. Each time he finds a way out of one situation, there will be another one and another man hunting him... and always, always, the paladin whose home he desecrated is only a day behind him and on his trail.

He's a fugitive. He's hunted. He's royally fucked. Start from there, and just build as you go until the pressure or the challenges BREAK HIM. Your ideal goal should be him *seeking out* the paladin to give him his kid back and sobbingly beg him to make it stop.

>>8107699
My idea was that battling across a continent, then across a Plane, would have pumped him to the maximum level...then that infusion of demon's blood he got from days of fighting a Demon Prince in single combat gave him access to the powers that make gods what they are.

I mean, a paladin who fights on when he can't feel the favor of his deity is either stupid or a goddamn superhero, and I didn't want to write somebody stupid. >:)

>>8107749
>begging the paladin to "make it stop".

And then the paladin says "Honey, what do you think?" as he turns to his assassin wife.

>>8107671
The reason why I figured on Lawful Good instead of Lawful Neutral is that he still cares about redemption. If it's possible for you to somehow balance the scales, he puts you on a "My Name is Earl" style work-release instead of automatic "CLEAVE AND SMITE". Only if you've done something so heinous that there is no possible way for you to ever atone would he actively seek your death. But once he does set his paladins to that task, the only question is how long you'll last before they catch you.

The Nameless One, needless to say, would be somewhat of a puzzler for him.

>>8107788
And being a good man, the Paladin stops, and leaves. His wife, though...

>>8107888
Knock it off with the wife thing! This dude's scenario is way more awesome WITHOUT the wife.

>>8107927
Good sir, there is nothing in this world that cannot be bettered by application of Red Mantis Assassins.

...But, because I hate couples' movies, I concur.

>>8107870
How messed up is the D&D cosmology going to be after Saminar murders Asmodeus and reorganizes the Ninth Hell to be the Justice Land?

Someone archive this awesomeness for future reference.

You know, it's almost worth letting him get away in the short term with it just to see what he does...

>>8107927
>>8107950
If we're looking at this like a couple's movie, then the one to compare the situation to would be the last part of "Mr. and Mrs. Smith".

I also think that having the cleric find out that not only is the paladin after him, but the rezzed wife is also after him, and she's more willing to get her hands dirty, would add another layer of delicious despair to his situation.

>>8107991
Pelor of the Burning Hate openly reveals himself as Lawful Evil.

Remember, his "good" clerics can cast Evil spells with no penalties!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVjJkYyMbLA

>>8108067
>Saminar, paladin of Pelor, defeats Asmodeus and becomes a God of Brutal Justice
>Pelor becomes evil

Holy shit, this sounds like the most awesome game of Astral political intrigue EVER.

>>8108103
Jesus, what?

>>8108103
>Bunch of Japanese text
>No translation
>No sound to speak of

Don't.

Care.

I applaud your rogue for niggering over that cleric so entirely.
If he had gotten off clean, maybe he would've had a chance of surviving, but one of his assassins got caught...
Wow. Fuck.

>>8108067
This is your next campaign.

>>8108568
You're damn right it is.

Has this thread been archived yet?

>>8108103
I like the way there's like enourmous nuclear explosions during the cutscene that carve a hole out of the earth, then it goes back to the normal veiw and NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

>>8108742
Don't question Narratron, the Narrating Robot.

His Binary is Law.

>>8108660
Yes. Yes it has.

Everything in this thread is good. Thank you /tg/.

Give the paladin the personality of Martin Riggs in Lethal Weapon 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JRvsvxGDRE
All you need to do is play this music as the Paladin smites that cleric.

>>8109007
I don't think I saw that movie.

>>8109021
>>8108103
Sure is Weaboo in here...

>>8109085
Basically, Riggs was a good cop who lost the will to live after his wife died in an "accident." He basically turns into a suicidally brave cop on the edge and he does shit like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXgj9WIMevM

He gets happier in the sequels, though

>>8109192
>>8109085
Also, give him a friend who is "getting to old for this shit"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI1erZiTK5U

I think this would honestly be what a paladin I would play would say in response if something like this were to happen;also, more on this rogue guy

>>8106229
THIS

>>8109587

Calm down, John, just CALM DOWN!

>>8109669
which one of you evil motherfuckers said that? Was it you, stringbean? Say it again! Say it again!

>>8109587
This is the funniest thing I have seen in a week.

>>8109587
Er, right. The Rogue is basically Varys the Spider meets Enzio from Assassin's Creed. He knows everything, knows everyone, and (unbeknownst to anyone) is the only actual assassin in the city, operating under like 30 names.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzzP4uaKvzY

How the Paladin should react.

>>8110640
that sounds like our group's monk's theme, if he had one; he dove into a squad of like six demons and beat the shit out of all of them

I am so fucking happy that people actually have players this stupid.

>>8110640
STOP POSTING ANIME VIDEOS FROM YOUTUBE!

I want to punch you in the shriveled testicles!

OP. please post back later with further shenanigans; I want to know how this ends so bad