>>7941402

I blew it up. The Illusive Man only cares about getting Humanity to the top of the political pile, and doesn't give a shit what way he goes about it. The Shepard I ran wants Humanity recognised as equal to the other Council races - not better than them - and that humanity should earn this right by going out and doing good shit that promotes galactic unity. Instead of trying all sorts of bastardly underhand methods to get into power.

>>7941463
It is not about humanity though. You have seen what Reapers can do. You have seen how many of them are coming.

Do you really think we should ditch every chance to improve our defences against them?

I gave him that station for the same reason I preserved the Krogan cure, saved th Rachi Queen, Killed the Council, United te Geth and encourage the Quarians to peace: The Reapers are far to big thread to ignore any possible help or resources.

I was pure paragon, and I was going to give him the Reaper. But then I thought about it. Thought about what Legion and Mordin had said. Humanity isn't ready for that kind of power, isn't ready to use it properly. And even if we were, the reapers have dictated our socio-technological development for too long. We don't need tech they know and understand, we need tech that is as alien to them as they are to us.

>>7941504
>Do you really think we should ditch every chance to improve our defences against them?

Not at all. I freed the Rachni Queen. I reprogrammed the Geth.

But I was not going to stoop so low as to turn that sort of technology over to Cerberus.

There are thousands of 37 millions years old vessels in the area a part of the Collector base. Which means that no matter what you chose, TIM WINS.

>>7941402
Cerberus gets shit done, and doesn't afraid of anything. Of course I gave them that station, that tech should be utilized. And no one besides Cerberus has balls to do it.

Invincible Million Reaper Army coming. Enjoy your bloodbath pure paragonfags.

Its Reaper tech, I doubt you can use it "for the Greater Good" any more than you can use Borg nanites

We need new things to fight them with, reverse engineering their shit will NOT END WELL

>>7941643
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of sentient race following me as their messiah.

Let's not forget that the Reapers have always wanted the galaxy, not just the humans, to use their tech. Sovereign said so with the Mass Relays and the Citadel. What makes you think re-purposing their own technology would be such a great idea? I mean, look at the IFF. We all know how that turned out.

>>7941643
No, paragonfags will enjoy real bloodbath after defeating the Reapers.
Massive Krogan rebellions, Rachni infestations and Geth invasions are inevitable.

Paladins are good, not blind.

Destroyed it.

I don't trust the Illusive Man, as simple as that.

And have you guys forgotten what happened to that Cerberus team that tried to salvage the dead Reaper? THEY GOT TURNED INTO HUSKS.

Do you think its honestly a good idea trying to salvage that Reaper?

>>7941688

Well, if bad comes to worse we can make Reaper IFF minefields to slow the advance! :D

>>7941721
Actually we were going to salvage the Collector base, not another Reaper. But that doesn't mean there wouldn't be any indoctrination shit in there.

Oh, plus Cerberus does bad things with the tech they do get their hands on.

"What's this? A hidden Reaper signal? Oooh. TRANSMITTING OUR LOCATION."

>>7941737
Oh yeah, and the "Oh, and I totally forgot the part where I'm SENDING YOU INTO A TRAP!"

>>7941721


Next time Cerberus will use just drones for field experimentation.

>>7941748
suddenly a virus!

I bet Ranchi and Geth have the best ability to kill Reapers

Reapers are great defenses against weapons that are normally blocked by shields like railguns and such. But once their shields are down they die just as easily as any other ship

Geth have energy weapons which can bypass shields and Ranchi attacks also bypass shields

So try to make some sort of bioweapon or spam lasers and you're might stand a fighting chance

>>7941747
"Oh, yeah. By the way, you know Horizon? Yeah, we made that a big ol' target for the Collectors."

>>7941665
Just so you know, the upgraded guns installed on Normandy v2 ARE tech salvaged from Sovereign.

I destroyed it to spite that underhanded fucknut.

>>7941767

Exactly, it's pretty much a brain dead assumption to think the Geth are not a serious arc in three, let alone the Rachni.

The recovery of the Reaper technology not only allows its use but also allows us to investigate their weaknesses, vulnerabilities and flaws. By researching the Reaper tech we will understand better our enemy and will give us a chance to victory.

>>7941692
The Rachni are no longer hostile to sentient life now that they've been freed from the souring of their songs. The Geth heretics can be dealth with leaving the peaceful tech developing Geth behind. The Krogans? Well that's probably true but I'm guessing almost every paragon player didn't try to cure the genophage anyway and even if they did they saved Wrex and helped Grunt ensuring that the Krogan will have strong leadership to shape them into a more civilized race during their first few formative years without the genophage.

>>7941402
Remember ME1, nothing good happens when Cerberus gets their hands on new tech. I'm not even convinced The Illusive Man is doing this for the betterment of humanity and not for some selfish reason.

>>7941692
>Massive Krogan rebellions
Wrex isn't going to start any with with the council.
>Rachni infestations
The Rachni aren't evil or omnomnom, the only reason the previous war happened was because of the Reapers.
>Geth invasions
Geth don't want to invade, they want to become the ultimate NEET.

>>7941402
Am I the only one who blew it the fuck up because I figured that Cerberus has fucked up every other time they've tried to use Reaper tech and they used up all their chances already?

Just really realized, but letting Cerberus have the base IS THE WORST POSSIBLE DECISION.

Whoever they send there will be indoctrinated, so it will go back to doing what it was doing before, only with new people.

Cerberus are douchebags who will kill humanity to save it. In ME1, I actually thought they were trying to crossbreed Rachni and humans. Not to mention they killed an Admiral who was only worried about his men, whom Cerberus offed.

>>7941713
Yeah, same here, I would trust the Illusive man only as far I could throw him
For all his talk about duty and perservation of the human race, I remember what Cerberus did
I remember the marines they left to die, the genetic experiments, the husks

I remember Admiral Kahoku

I'll never trust the Illusive man, no matter what he says

>>7941780
In the uncounted millennia they've been trolling sentient life in our galaxy, you don't think the Reapers could have come up with ways to prevent that from happening?

>>7941767
The climax of ME3, depending on the choices you made:

The Migrant Fleet, the unified Geth and the Rachni fleet suddenly emerge to defend Citadel space from the Reapers, all of their ships armed with Krogan Cannons.

Take a guess at what Krogan Cannons do.

>>7941785

Alliance with the Geth -- pretty much means we are safe. It's a win/win situation. They get goodies, we get goodies, we fight after the Reapers are delt with. Mass Effect 4 here we come!

All my crew died.

"BUY US FOOD. WE NEED MORE COUPLINGS. I NEED BOOZE."

I did a shitton of sidequests after it happened just to make sure the cunts died. All my characters survived, though.

I blew that shit up. There are way too many ways that station can come back and bit you in the ass. Cerberus faggotry aside, having a direct hotline to the reapers and their indoctrination shit isn't a brilliant idea, considering what happens to anyone but Shepard when facing them.

Basically handing the reapers a ready reaper/god knows what else-factory chuck full of slaves (Cerberus people that can get indoctrinated) from a company that has detailed intel on everything in the galaxy, and specifically about Shep's whereabouts and ship, is retarded beyond belief.

No, better blow that shit up and let them salvage the tech from all the ships that have passed through that relay over millions of years. You can be damn sure there's some awesome stuff in those wrecks anyway and it will be stuff the reapers haven't bothered analyzing or caring about.

not /tg/, continue on.

"Give me the station, Shepherd."
"Give you a 50,000 year technological leg up on everyone else. Yeah, no."

I wou;dn't have given it to him even if I thought it was a good idea. I was the sole survivor of the attack on my troop that was conducted by those sick bastards. They took one of my men and experimented on him. They killed Kahoku and tried to raise a generation of Rachni to use them like dogs of war, just like the Reapers did. Screw him, I wish I could have blown up whatever base he's sitting on smoking that damn cigarette.

>>7941800
>Take a guess at what Krogan Cannons do.
They shoot very angry Krogans?

You know, I'm not one of those "gb2/v/" guys, but there's more /v/ content on the front page that there should be.

How about some restrain guys ? It's already your what, 10th ME thread this day ?

Shepard was rebuild with Reaper tech. He has been indoctrinating everyone to worship him since the beggining of ME2. No Shepard...You are the Reaper.

>>7941821
Exactly.

I read the op in his voice, even though it makes no sense.

>>7941783
>The Rachni aren't evil or omnomnom, the only reason the previous war happened was because of the Reapers.


...exactly.
They made Rachni go omnomnom once, they will make Rachni go omnomnom again.

>>7941808
Don't forget their ability to build ships. If you see the Asari who's acting as a contact for the queen she says they not only fixed her broken ship but improved it in the span of a couple days. Those little bastards could have several fleets of ships up in a couple months if we got enough of them together.

>>7941783
>Wrex isn't going to start any with with the council.
He's gonna die someday, and then what?
>The Rachni aren't evil or omnomnom
Not yet
>Geth don't want to invade
Never trust a robot.

>>7941819
>They killed Kahoku
;_;

Remember how, when blowing up the base, The Illusive Man hints towards that whenever he said 'for the betterment of humanity', he implied that he viewed Cerberus AS humanity?

As in, everything he has done has been for Cerberus, as he believes only Cerberus has the gall to do what's necessary. He thinks Cerberus is the only part of humanity worth saving. Everything else is expendable.

So fuck that asshole. I'm the fucking WARRIOR OF HUMANITY(and on occasion, quarians and geth,). Take your scheming plans and backstabbery and shove them up your ass along with your cybernetic eyes.

That thing is a Reaper baby maker

no good will ever come of it

Personally, I destroyed the station... not because of my mistrust of the Illusive Man and/or the council. I destroyed the station because of the Krogan. I don't want humanity to wind up like that.

>>7941853
Meant to quote this post.
>>7941767

ITT: fags who doesn't understand that we are outnumbered, outgunned and technological behind the Reapers in all fields. We fight with an enemgy without sense of mercy or compassion. They have no moral constrains. Even if we win it will be a complete bloodbath.

Why couldn't they let me keep it all for Shepard? Shepard should rule the galaxy, he is the only one who ever gets anything done!

>>7941855
>and then what?
Chieftain Urdnot Grunt.

>Never trust a robot.
Geth don't lie - they don't understand how.

>>7941827
You can't fight it, people are finishing the game as we speak. In a couple of weeks it'll get to normal, don't worry.

Hot topic, what else can I say

>>7941894

Thanks for saving me the typing.

>>7941821
The Krogans are Angry Marines?

>>7941901
I was disappointed. Legion was not nearly as creepy as I had hoped, but his dancing is intensely comical to me.

And I never lost hope for a Tali/Grunt romance.

>>7941844


Unless they will be able to resist it this time.
...hrm. Guess we'll have to see.

>>7941855
Grunt is a proud member of clan Urdnot, if he stays to breed with the females and learns under Wrex that's another couple thousand years of leadership you can count on. By the time Grunt could take over the job of integrating Krogran into polite society would probably be damn near finished.

>Geth don't lie
Yes they do, they invented a huge history based on non-existend stars just to troll the Asari.

>>7941894
Mabe they can't lie, but one day they can conclude that organic life is a threat to glorious electronic master race. And baaaad things will happen.

>>7941912
TALI/GARRUS

>>7941855
>He's gonna die someday, and then what?
Grunt takes over, he'll only start a war against the turians.
>Not yet
They never were, and with the reapers gone never will be.
>Never trust a robot.
You can trust Legion, they have a collective crush on Shepard.

>>7941938

I think it's far more likely that because of the Genophage and if Genophage 2.0 should ever come to light that the Krogan will destroy the Solarians.

First playthrough, I thought about what Sagan would do. So I blew it up.
Then on my second I went pro humanity and kept it.

I bet Conrad Verner is pissed, he's been stalking Shepard for twice as long as Legion and gets none of the love.

>>7941953
Grunt doesn't give a shit about the Genophage, he simply hates Turians.

>>7941966

Too bad for... Warner, was it?
He isn't neither awesome nor a robot.

Puny creatures of matter. We are coming.

>>7941878
This.

At least Cerberus isn't as corrupted as Alliance. If Alliance got that base, they would engage enough bureaucracy to make a 1:1 papercraft of the station.

Illusive Man gets shit done. He is a CEO of most archetypical corporation in the universe, yet he has balls to invest into saving the galaxy. Have you heard about corporations saving the galaxy? He just did.

I may not entirely trust him, he may do things behind my back.

But he gives you a new life, a better fucking ship and free hand to get shit done. What did Alliance do for me? What did Council do for me? Huh?

>>7941535
>I gave him that station for the same reason I preserved the Krogan cure, saved th Rachi Queen, Killed the Council, United te Geth and encourage the Quarians to peace: The Reapers are far to big thread to ignore any possible help or resources.
>Killed the Council
Oh wow. Now that REALLY HELPED right there. Human alliance military is too busy putting down alien rebellions. Aliens are too busy having anti-human race riots and rebellions. Entire mass effect gate network is shutdown for non-human traffic so as the asari/salarian/turian fleets can't reclaim the Citadel, destroying the galactic economy as a side effect. Great job there.

>>7941938
"So, why did you repair yourself with my armour?"
"... There was a hole."
"But you could've repaired it sooner and with better materials."
"... No data available."

>>7941968

Yes, but listen to the unrest and suffering because of the Genophage, the issue will never be resolved, let alone Mordin holding the keys to their salvation or damnation. Think about it. Total Krogan Unity = Solarians being at a handful (at best) so they can focus elsewhere.

>>7941988
And he can't take a rail round to the chest and just shrug it off.

When you are going to destroy the collector base you should ask yourself: What would batman do? Research the fuck of it.

How the hell do you prevent Legion from getting a face full of rocket?

>>7941996
After joker's run through the ship, talk to the newly unlocked EDI about Cerberus is just a front for the Alliance military industrial complex. They don't want to save humanity, they want to make a huge profit.

>>7942014

Garrus should be the leader, not someone like Zaeed, I made the mistake countless times.

You know, I've never told someone to gb2/v/, but I used to sort of silently agree with those fellows who tried to enforce board topic cohesion...

...but any more, I'm perfectly fine if /tg/ wants to occasionally be "/v/ with less trollan" rather than "40K AND EDITION WARS"

>>7941998

I killed the council being paragon. The result is WAY different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MNMN2dKbKI

>>7942024
I had Garrus as the leader, god damnit.

>>7941932

If organic don't threaten the Geth, they wont attack either. You probably haven't taken Legion to flotilla, so you might not know, but Legion said that the quarians attacked in 100% cases when they were sure they'd win. Meaning, that the true Geth only self-defended. That's why they all are beyond Perseus Veil, they just want to be left the fuck alone and allowed to exist, and that's why Legion was sent in the galaxy - to find Shepard and serve as an ambassador of the Geth. Legion did say, that the Geth plans will only affect organics if they involve themselves.

Basically, the Geth might attack only when the organics would be preparing to do the same. No "lol I trol u" betrayals during the battle against the Reapers or shit like that.

>>7942019
So everyone who went full Renegade, obeyed Cerberus and the Illusive man was just a puppet of the MAN?

>imokaywiththis.jpeg

>>7942036

best ending by far

>>7942014
You gain his loyalty and do not use him as a Squad Leader, Biotic Specialist, Distraction or Escort.

Also, make sure you are using:
a) Tali as your Tech specialist
b) Samara or Subject Zero as your Biotic specialist
c) Garrus, Miranda or Jacob as your squad leaders

>>7942043

Need him fully loyal (side quest).

>>7942014
Garrus as second team leader. Both have loyalty. It's really not that difficult, bub.

>>7942036
Yeah, that's just 10 minutes later. 2 years later it all goes to crap. Do Thane's loyalty mission and you find out how horrible things are. It's 1939 germany in spaaace.

>>7941998

>Oh wow. Now that REALLY HELPED right there. Human alliance military is too busy putting down alien rebellions. Aliens are too busy having anti-human race riots and rebellions. Entire mass effect gate network is shutdown for non-human traffic so as the asari/salarian/turian fleets can't reclaim the Citadel, destroying the galactic economy as a side effect. Great job there.

FAIL. if you kill the council being paragon then nothing of this happens.

>>7942056
Oh silly me, I sided with Tali in their little confrontation. I apologise I should've remembered that.

>>7942063

They are way better because everybody is becoming military stronger. When the Reapers comes we will be ready.

>>7942085
I hear you can talk to him later and tell him you were lying to regain his loyalty. I have yet needed to do so though as by the time that occurs on any of my playthroughs I've been able to talk them both down.

>>7942085

I had a similar problem. Jack and Miranda, I had to remind them they needed to work together. Unless Jack was the biotic specialist with me on the suicide mission she'd always die. It was strange.

>>7942044
>Geth plans will only affect organics if they involve themselves
What I'm hoping is that by pushing the quarians to retake their homeworld while using Legion as a pipeline to Geth, I'll talk Geth into quietly leaving the quarian's home in exchange for peace. Hell, might even get Geth to assist in a quarian-drell genetic engineering program.

>>7942049
I used Legion as Tech specialist.

Garrus as fireteam leader both times.

Jack as biotic tech.

Thane to escort survivors.

All loyal, all upgrades to ship. Everyone survived.

Funky part is that I've romanced Tali, and got her with me trough all the time. And I saved her from falling to death in the last fight. Scared the shit out of me.

I gave him the station because I hope he use it's full potential so humanity, with me as it's spearhead, will dominate the universe

I'm still regretting letting the rachni queen live, i did it because i was presented the facts that it will help in mass effect 2 and that the last war they were being manipulated by the reapers but it still feels wrong to the depths of my core, guess they will curse my name when the rachni develop a taste of human flesh.

>>7942129
Geth already left the quarian home world, talk to legion more. The geth (the orthodox geth that is) are all busy building a giant dyson's sphere computer where they can all upload themselves and live in harmony. The only geth left on the quarian home world is a few janitorial and maintenance staff, keeping it as it was when the quarians left.

>>7942149
Go to illisium in ME2, talk to rachni embassador, she tells you that she'll help out in the reaper battles later on.

>>7941402

what about the indoctrination ?
that technology is just to dangerous

>>7942165
Huh, never ran into that dialog. Does he say that if you have him present for Tali's loyalty quest? Because I did all the loyalty quests except Legion's before going to the IFF.

>>7942019
>talk to the newly unlocked EDI about Cerberus is just a front for the Alliance military industrial complex. They don't want to save humanity, they want to make a huge profit.

anyone got a vid of this???

>>7942063
> It's 1939 germany in spaaace
Idiot, it's a parody of Homeland Security complete with idiotic TSA no-fly lists

>>7942211
Indoctrination only occurs around Reapers.

I don't think station itself indoctrinates. It's a Reaper building facility constructed by Collectors. They wouldn't install indoctrination devices on it. What for? They are already totally pro-Reaper.

>>7942224

>>7942149
The Queen said shed help you in your most dire time of need

So in ME3 a fuckhuge fleet of bugs will go all suicide attack on the Reapers as you setup the secret humanity defense weapon or something

>>7942260
Well actually the collector generally had to be actively controlled by Harbringer and when he's finally released before he died he sends Shepard information about the Reapers as a dying act of defiance.

>>7942260
It wasn't built by the collectors, it's been there for at least 37 million years. The fact that it has it's own mass effect gate implies that it's been there for billions of years. It was built by the reapers. Also, new collectors who were born after the protheans died out would need to be indoctrinated too.

>>7942260
>They wouldn't install indoctrination devices on it. What for?
Worst-case-scenario plan, perhaps. They assume there's a possibility organics will find the Collectors, so they leave a latent indoctrination device in the base. Since by that point organics will have discovered Reapers are coming back, they'll most likely panic and try to take advantage of all the tech they find. Said tech indoctrinates those around it, and as armies mass to counter Reapers they are swiftly taken over by indoctrination or killed by indoctrinated troops. Hypothetical, but possible.

On the offtopic, anyone knows a name/source of the music from upper Afterlife on Omega?

I've listened to ME2 OST but it's not there.

Can the reapers use the relays?
Barring any unexpected booby traps, is the collector base the safest part of the galaxy?

I cant wait to see a MASSIVE Geth fleet

The one you see in ME1 was only 5% of the Geth population

With the knowledge of the Reapers coming through I bet the Geth go 100% Total War and start churning out ships with energy based weapons that bypass shields. Soon half the Galaxy will be nothing but Warships and massive defensive battlestations

The Citadel will be completely surrounded with allied fleets and guns.

I love to fortify crap

I'm curious as to what the Reapers will do in ME3. So far we've stopped them twice; in ME1 Shepard stopped them from doing their reboot of the galaxy and in ME2 we stopped them from kidnapping and making a new Reaper. Based on how ME2 ends it looks like they're gonna try and just go for a board-wipe of the galaxy.

As for me, I went Paragon, saved everyone, blew that thing up. Blew it up for 2 reasons: don't trust Illusive Man, remembered Mordin's conversation on how the Salarians screwed over the Krogan and only new is a saved Wrex attempting to save the Krogan.

What do you think the story for ME3 will be?

What I'm hoping for is that it'll revolve around a bunch of Reaper ships going to try and destroy the Citadel. Shepard stops them only to see it was a ploy and their main target is Earth, seeing that humanity as a whole is why their plans are failing. Rest of Earth fleet attempts to stop them as Shepard tries to return to Earth to join in the fight. The Reapers shut down all the mass effect relays and he's stuck at the Citadel. Legion shows up with Geth datasphere and upgrades Normandy to travel at mass effect relay speeds w/o using one.

Shepard shows up at Earth, kicks ass but is losing the battle. Turian fleet, Asari fleet, Salarian ships, Krogan warriors, Migrant Fleet, Geth datasphere show up as the calvary to save humanity. Shepard teams up with everyone from ME1-3 to go and attack the Reaper fleet ship. Badass fight occurs, succeed at saving the galaxy, Shepard & crew fly off to go kick more ass in the next galaxy that the Reapers are housed at.

>>7942331
Yes. Sovereign used one in the final battle of ME1. Heck, Citadel station is a giant relay for reapers to use.

No. No no no no.

Too many variables. Too much risk.

>>7942292
While we're at it, do you really think Harbringer was that creature manipulating stuff on the station?

Isn't it possible that it was yet another puppet?

If so, how would Harbringer look like?

What if Harbringer IS the stati...

OH SHIT

>>7942313
I guess you need to find a rip and not an OST then

The Reapers were building a giant robot out of liquified humans.

...We must build a giant robot out of liquified reapers.


GUUNNNN BUSSSSSTAH

>>7942346
Citadel is a massive mass relay. Turn Citadel into galaxy's largest mass accelerator cannon.

>>7942374
motherofgod.jpg

What is the ETA of the Reaper invasion?

>>7942346
Should be followed up by this
<--

>>7942268

>implying having a few wealth business backers of your shadow organization means that is all you are about

>>7942313
I think I have that song on my computer somewhere. It's actually a 10 year old track or something from the EA music library.

I could upload it if I still have it.

>>7942388

2 years ago in the timeline.

>>7942346

>hopeless fight occurs, miserably fail at saving the galaxy ensuring lulz and tears.

Fixed.

All of you who didn't save the station are pussies

>>7942360
Harbinger is a Reaper that was controlling the Collector General. You see him in the hologram that General looks at before the base blows up.

>>7942410
Your idea sucks because it doesn't allow for the use of a pillowcase full of drugs.

In ME3 There should be options like: Lure the Reapers to the Batarian space in order to gain time. Hilarity Ensues.

>>7942404
I mean when the main host hits the citadel. How much time do we have to build Thanix gunned Dreadnoughts?

>>7942410

>Shepard stands behind some waist high boxes and shoots at something with a few life bars and saves the galaxy.

fixed.

>>7942388
Soon™

It's hard to tell, they can't use Citadel as relay anymore, so they will have to travel normally from wherever they are in. Might take months, might take years.

Also, can Shep die in the last mission? If so, it might mean that ME3 will have another protagonist, and if Shep lived through, you'll see him as an NPC.

Was htere any given reason for why indoxturation

>>7942346
If ME3 was just ten hours of fleet fights, I would book a plane to the US just to personally kiss every single Bioware employee's arse.

>>7942439
lol. That NEEDS to be an option!

>>7942448
Shep can die and no, Shep will be the main guy in ME3 as well. If Shep dies, you just won't be able to import that save to ME3.

>>7942410
I'm sure that RENEGADE ending will be a copy-pasta of Downfall.

Cyborg-Shepard and what is left of Cerberus is some underground bunker, planning their attacks.

The camera goes upward, revealing that the surface and all the rest of the galaxy is destroyed. People are being picked up by the "Collectors" or whatever the Reapers get.

Enjoy rotting in your bunker Renegades.

>>7942439
>>7942439
>>7942439
>>7942439
>>7942439

THIS

>>7942433
Now I see it. Thanks for clearing it out for me anon.

>>7942448

Enjoy your Clone background package.

Acts like Shepard would otherwise and has different dialogue options when dealing with returning characters.

>>7942454
This regard this I am a faggot,
Please focus on this
Is there any given reason why Shepard is resistant to indoctrination?

Reapers gave organic life Element Zero so they'll specialize in Mass Driver weapons tech.

It took a whole fleet ages of firing non-stop with weapons that hit with the force of a nuclear warhead to disable its shields before it was destroyed in an instant with the Normandy's main guns blowing straight through it

This means we need energy weapons which shields are weak to with stuff like Phasic ammunition that could bypass shields or some sort of attack that moved slow enough or launched close enough that the shields don't activate to block like some sort of battering ram or chemical attack the Thorian Creepers or Thresher Maws used

>>7942473
Because he's bloody hero?

>>7942448

Shepard can die, however, that's non-cannon as your ME2 save with a Dead Shep will not be able to be imported (as imports are seperate save files created upon a successful playthrough).

So, no. Shepard is still the star of the show.

>>7942473
Plot armor.

>>7942473
He has all the willpower in the galaxy plus balls of steel.

Remember what Liara said? "Contact with the beacon would kill a weaker mind"

That, and he never really exposed himself to indoctrination, not in the long run at least.

>>7942473
I don't think so. I suspect that Shep is either TOO AWESOME to get indoctrinated or ME3 will be "No, Shep, you are the reapers".

>>7942473

He doesn't hang out with reapers and does not use them as his private jets and houses?

>>7942473

The same reason the rest of the team is:

Indoctrination takes TIME. Shepard and crew have not been lingering inside Reapers like Saren or the Cerberus science team was.

>>7942486

>Thresher Maws

Found all over the galaxy and have crazy shield bustin' armor melting attacks. Who put them everywhere?

>>7942473
>>Is there any given reason why Shepard is resistant to indoctrination?
Reaper indoctrination is typically fairly slow? I mean, he hasn't been in or around reapers for more than an hour at a time.

>>7942513
Space Jesus.

>>7942513
They grow from spores that spaceships pick up, then unknowingly carry to new worlds. The seeds are pretty tough, and can even survive reentry temperatures.

>>7942313
Here you go: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WXDE22PH

It's an old song from Need For Speed: High Stakes, I think.

>>7942501
>>7942498
In ME2, with enough paragon or renegade you can resist Morinth's Ardat-Yakshi mind rape. Since she's been killing people for 400 years and Shepard is the first one to ever resist, probably means Shepard has a very strong will.

>>7942519

Enkindlers?

>>7942473
The same stuff that makes him immune to poisoning, able to drink like a russian bum and headbutt a krogan

four testicles

>>7942513
They reproduce with clingy spores that can withstand the heat of re-entry and just ship hop from planet to planet

But the Protheans might have spread them in the first place on mineral rich worlds so the Reapers would be hesitant to strip mine them giving future civilizations extra resources to use later on

>>7942544

Also im PISSED

What the fuck THERMAL CLIPS?

Wheres my regenerating plasma no need for ammo micromanagement pistol?!

FUCKING DAMMIT, RUN OUT OF THERMAL CLIPS EVER FUCKING BOSS BATTLE!

GO FOR MORE AND GET THE FUCK SHOT OUT OF ME!

>>7942564

This one doesn't appreciate that.

>>7942530
Many thanks to you, dear sir.

Damn it, /tg/ delivers better than /r/ even though it's not meant to deliver AT ALL.

Much love.

>>7942594
Spoilers: Use more than one gun. You're equally good with all of them.

>>7942603
No problem, good sir. I only had it by chance, since a friend of mine went hunting for it a few days ago.

>>7942603

/r/ doesn't deliver.

The entire idea makes no sense on an image board.

>>7942486
I assume you mean Sovereign (I haven't played ME2, can't afford it off the shelf and don't have the connection speed to get it via Steam in any sane timeframe) - I'm pretty sure NOTHING actually got through the shields. Rather, killing Saren's possessed husk disabled them completely.

>>7942594
Besides using more guns you may upgrade guns for more ammo and wear ammo pouches on your armor. Also powers.

BRB, gathering heavy ammo all across the galaxy for ONE SHOT from Cain.

By the way, did anyone use Cain in the last fight? Shooting boss in the eye with that thing must've FELT GOOOOOOOD.

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

>>7942594
Play Soldier, never run out of ammo. Fuck bitches up with Adrenaline Rush + Revenant machine gun.

>>7942646
I DID

I MISSED

I CRIED

Fucking grunt blew the boss apart before I could collect ammo from the possessed dude

>>7942646
If you get full heavy weapon ammo upgrades you can get 2 shots with the Cain, and one shot from it does about half of the Reaper's HP.

>>7942653
>>7942646
>>7942612
>>7942594
ALSO ABOUT POWERS, THE FUCK
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM EACH HAVING THEIR OWN COOL-DOWN?
THIS NEW METHOD IS COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID!

>>7942680
Adds some difficulty to the game, the first one was piss easy even on insanity.

>>7942680
why? every ten fucking seconds I popping in a power and I also make great use of an allies concision shot or cyroblast


feels good man

>>7942652
I felt sorry for that poor fucker ;_;

>>7942680
>use power
>get under heavy fire with no cover nearby
>medigel on cooldown

FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I'M COMMANDER SHEPARD, AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE STORE ON THE CITADEL

>>7942680
Game balance: Even as they are, you can spam them a lot with various cooldown upgrades. If they had individual cooldown, you wouldn't need to use guns at all.

Their were other powers besides tech armor?

Cast that and just hit people. Poof, no more ammo worries.

>>7942626
Either way the galaxy NEEDS to develop effective means of bypassing shields and doing real damage

>>7942706
As an Adept, I don't anyway.

Fuck yes the cooldown on my Throw is like, 2 seconds. Spamming that thing while I get in range to smack the enemy to death is fantastic.

I figure between the potential threat of the Illusive man (slight) and the certain threat of the reapers (large) that It's better to take care of the reapers first. If the Illusive man tries to pull some bullshit, I'll stop him personally.

>>7942724
FUCK YEA MELEE

ALSO GETH ARE FUCKING MONSTERS GODDAMN

>>7942646
I didn't personally but there's a vid here with a guy using it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1jXh5mPmtA

>>7942726
That's why upgaded Normandy is outfitted with guns based on technology stripped from Souvereign.

"Joker, FIRE ZEE MAIN KANNON!"

"Eat THAT, sons of bitches!"

KABLOOWEE!

I went to archive this thread but.. Sup/tg/ archive ability is gone...

The fuck?

>>7942732
OP here, that's exactly what I was thinking when making that decision.

I think, after all that happened I may trust him enough. If he does anything funny, his ass is grass.

>>7942747

That wasn't an energy weapon, though, so shields can still block it. Maybe not for long, but still. I think it wasn't an energy weapon; haven't read the Codex in awhile.

>>7942732

Ditto; I gave him the Collector Base.

>>7942746
Please tell me I'm not the only one who fought the boss thinking "HIT ITS WEAK POINT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE!" the whole time?

>>7942775
Its on a seperate page now. There's a link at the bottom of the page.

>>7942626

No.

See that smoke? He's getting damaged.

Also why the fuck would losing his cybernetic puppet cause his shields to power off? That's retarded.

>>7942801
>>7942801
>>7942801

I have read this entire thread in his voice, felt good.

>>7942798
It wasn't, just a really powerful plasma gun that still used mass effect weapons.

Reapers have perfect inertial barriers on their ships so it's like they have 10,000 points of damage reduction against any kinetic weapon. So you either need a massive mass effect accelerator that can shoot through planets or use lasers, which ignore inertial barriers.

Too bad lasers don't use easymode ezero so they're practically ignored.

>>7942801
I was thinking "Fuck's sake, why does the Cain have 1.75 shots as max ammo? One shot took off half his health, a second would have killed him entirely".

>>7942702
It gets annoying if you do that in every store though. My ManShep only did that for the gun store, because... it was a gun store.

THIS SHOP DISCRIMINATES AGAINST THE POOR. MODEL SHIPS ARE TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE FOR THE PROLETARIAT. GIMME SPACE HAMSTER NOW.

Oh, and destroyed the station, because the Illusive Man and Cerberus are mostly incompetent fools. All the good stuff went into Project Lazarus.

>>7942646

Fuck yer. One shot, right in the eye. 1/2 health bar, gone. followed up with AP ammo from an LMG. win.

>>7942837
You might be right. I don't recall them doing any damage to him prior to Saren dying.

As for the puppet thing, I dunno, I guess I assumed there would be at least one retarded plot thing and that Saren dying was it. I can't check now but I'm pretty sure Sovereign has a fit as soon as he dies, and then gets shot to bits.

>>7942857
I had 2 shots with the cain, 5 or so researches brought it up to +90% heavy ammo and wearing the +10% heavy ammo leg armor brought it up to a full +100%

Of course I saved the station, we can't allow ourselves to be technologically gimped like that.

I'm commander Shepard, and this is my favorite thread on 4chan.

I destroyed the station and I have no regrets. As soon as my Shepard has finished with the Reapers, he's going to root Cerberus out and destroy them. It's nice that they brought me back and all, but they stand for human dominance - which is not what my Shepard stands for at all, and so long as they exist, people will keep suffering because of them.

>>7942875
>ecause the Illusive Man and Cerberus are mostly incompetent fools

What is this, I don't even...

You may call Illusive Man ANYTHING but incompetent. He gets shit done and doesn't afraid of anything. He runs fucking illegal corporation that is bound to save the galaxy.

Cerberus has all the info they want, shitload of resources, bases, ability to build TWICE AS GOOD SHIP as Alliance did. All while being tracked and opposed by Alliance.

Seriously, you better be trolling.

When I blew up the station and Miranda backed me up I was all "FUCK YOU IM!"

Shame I can be a lesbian!

I blew up the station.

Sovereign said, "By using our technology, you develop along the paths we desire." Collector base is filled with reaper technology. capturing the collector base may give the reapers an advantage or even an insta-win. Base has to go.

Blew up the Collector base, saved everyone's lives, told the Illusive Man to go gargle a bag of cocks, and flew off into the sunset with Tali.

Feels good man.

>>7942923
Cerberus was run by retards in the first game, at least. How many human colonies was it that they accidentally slaughtered?

I saved the station, I'm just not sure if I want it to be in his hands though.

Shit, I want to take over Cerb and run things my way

>>7942945

But the Citadel and mass relays were MEANT to be found by sentient races.

Omega 4 relay was meant to be unpassable. Reapers couldn't hear the idea of being killed and salvaged for IFF over that screeching sound of how awesome they were.

>>7942948
Which sunset?

>>7942260

HELLO !
there is still the human reaper corpse you killed

>>7942961
Note that facility that experimented on Jack worked outside Illusive Man's knowledge.

Cerberus is not solid.

Besides. THEM EYES. I WANT THEM SO MUCH IRL.

>>7942923

Their various experiments in ME1 all ended horribly. Shepard had to clean up their messes.

They mess up by sending people into the dead Reaper and getting them turned into Husks.

Hell, even Project Lazarus can fail in a way; they brought back Shepard, but if he acts as a Paragon right the way through, he prevents Cerberus from getting any important technology (Legion and Grunt while they're inert, the collector base, and makes sure they can't try investigating the dead Reaper again) and sends incriminating evidence to the Citadel. They basically revive, equip, and pay him to fuck their plans up.

>>7942980

The metaphorical one.

>>7942980
Not a sunset, but a GALAXYSET

>>7943023
:C

Aww, that means Tali won't go back to her homeworld with the exploding sunset.

>>7943035
FUCK ME!

I NEED TO MAKE CARL SHEPARD!

>>7943035
Carl Sagan is the Illusive Man? Mind = Blown

>>7943009
OR they don't and galaxy gets kindnapped by Candlelectors.

Illusive Man was smart enough to realise Shepard is the PC with plot armor. Why wouldn't you ressurect an ally with plot armor?

>>7942885

No, Sovereign pretty much continues to keep on lasering the fleet like a Champ after Saren dies. Saren was just an attempt at regaining interior control of the Citadel to activate the Mass Relay for some /b/lackup.

He only leaves the Spire after Joker blows a gigantic fucking hole in him that I have no idea how he did, considering the Normandy is more "Stealth Sub" than "Naval Warship with big ass guns."

>>7943048

No, I'm hoping that'll happen in ME3. Fight off the Reapers, then Tali and Shepard retire to the Quarian homeworld (the Geth having moved off after Shep convinces the Quarians to leave them alone) to live out the rest of their days in peace.

>>7943073
Weak spot, massive damage, etc.

>>7943003
I don't like those eyes as much as I should.

They remind me too much of Saren's "enhancements".

>>7943069

Oh, I'm not doubting that the Illusive Man certainly did the right thing in bringing Shepard back. I just like the idea of Shep bringing down Cerberus as well, because he's a FRIEND TO JUSTICE and isn't going to suck the Illusive Man's dick just because he brought him back.

>>7943083
That is if you can ignore the EXPLODING GODDAMN STAR!

>>7943060
HOLY SHI..

*SPLORCH!*

>>7942948

Reverse psychology.

>>7943113

Exploding Star is in another solar system. The Quarian homeworld's star is quite fine.

>>7943083

Hot, sexy peace

>>7942594
>>FUCKING DAMMIT, RUN OUT OF THERMAL CLIPS EVER FUCKING BOSS BATTLE!

On my first playthrough, I put the difficulty on Hardcore. It was a challenge, but I eventually made it to the point where I was getting the hidden cache Aria told me about.

3 Heavy Mechs.

I used every single Assault Rifle, Pistol, and Sniper RIfle round and I had only managed to kill one.

There were only 2 crates left.

The whole shield/barrier/armor/health system is fucking annoying, especially when you have to go through all those defenses just to get to use Biotics.

>>7943009
They also unleashed the Thorian on a human colony.

ME3 better have an option to burn Cerberus from the ankles up. I'd rather deal with bureaucracy than an organization full of Josef Mengeles.

>>7943133
What? Really?

Huh, I might've gotten that mixed up. I could've sworn the Quarian homeworld was in the system with the star that was dying too fast.

>>7943143

Well, considering Tali estimates it'd take 60 or so years to readjust to the point where Quarians can live without suits, I doubt there'd be much sex involved. But it's still a suitable GOOD END.

>>7943153

Nope, it was A Quarian system before the Geth revolt, but it's not the home system

>>7943174
Just fuck in the airlock.

"DECONTAMINATION IN PROGRESS"

>>7943148
Actually it was ExoGeni that allowed the Feros colonists to get infected. Cerberus had nothing to do with it.

>>7943153
nope, just a different place they also colonized

>>7943148
>>They also unleashed the Thorian on a human colony.

No, that was Exogeni.

>>7943188
Ah, alright then.

Carry on.

>>7943191
Right, right. What was it that Cerberus did in the first one?

I didn't blow it up because I figured I could hand it over to the Council to prove what I've been saying about the reapers this whole time. I had the ship with the IFF so I could do with the station as I pleased. Then I remembered that I destroyed the defenses that the base had and rendered the IFF obsolete and if the Citadel went and sent ships all the way there they could trigger a costly war with a united Terminus systems while all the fleets of Citadel races are depleted by the attack by Sovereign. Cerberus would have been able to snag the station no matter what I did.

So yeah, I don't trust TIM to do anything useful with that bloody thing and the Council isn't going to be able to snag it easily. We need to be united to face the Reapers and the Collector Base would only serve as a distraction to that. Next time through I'm blowing that bloody thing to hell.

>>7943194
Phew, it was only Exogeni that..oh wait

"A terminal (FER8-2) on the ExoGeni upper level will inform you about a connection between ExoGeni and Cerberus. You'll need to investigate the Matano system (Maroon Sea cluster) (13.12.2.1) to learn more about this partnership."

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>7943190

>>7943204

Some generic alien parasite monster thing. It wasn't Rachni, the Thorian, or the like though.

In all honesty, they were kind of small time in the first game. Your average corporation was researching far deadlier and more galaxy threatening stuff than they were.

>>7943204

I remember them Husking a colony. Think the mission was called Colony of the Dead. Speaking of Husks, does anybody else find is silly that Shepard calls the Husks in this game more advanced when all they can do punch you instead of the electricity explosion they could do in the first game?

>>7943204
Experimented with Rachni soldiers, thorian creepers, husks

Fucked with Toombs back on Akuze, and almost killed you if you went Sole Survivor

>>7942798
It wasn't an energy weapon.

>>7943222

It's not that they were small, but they were quiet. You didn't know about the organisation as a whole, just the times they cocked up and you had to run damage limitation.

Which just proves the Illusive Man's a fucking idiot if he can't even control his own people and what they work on.

>>7943204

They lured a squad of alliance marines to a Thresher Maw den to study the attack, then killed the admiral investigating.

They used spikes to turn a whole colony into husk to study the reactions, as well as running a facility that studied Rachni with human test subjects. All in all, they ran a bunch of super-solider programs, trying to make something that could (according to ME2) protect humanity and help fight Reapers.

>>7943213
In Mass Effect 1, if something bad happened to a human colony, and it wasn't Eden Prime, then it was Cerberus's fault. Dead colonists? Look around and you'll eventually find evidence that Cerberus was experimenting on alien cyborg clone mutant zombies or something.

Hack mass relays into huge railguns.

SMITE THE REAPERS.

They're big, they have huge guts, let's turn the moon into a largeass relativistic railgun and blow them the fuck up.

>>7943238
>>Which just proves the Illusive Man's a fucking idiot if he can't even control his own people and what they work on.

Yeah, guy is so lame for being unable to control the free will of the thousands or hundreds of thousands of people all over the galaxy.

>>7943231
>and almost killed you if you went Sole Survivor

Hang on. Is that the background where your squad gets killed by a Thresher Maw? Cerberus was responsible for that? Been a while since I played the first game.

If so, another good reason for my Shep to destroy the base and tell the IM to go to hell.

>>7943205
>>I didn't blow it up because I figured I could hand it over to the Council
I did the same, and then the Illusive Man sitting in front of the Renegade sun went on about how marvellous it was it was in the hands of the Space Racists exclusively 100% even though I was the one with the IFF. So I reloaded and blew the damn thing up instead to get the Blue Sun ending.

>>7943222
>>7943226
>>7943231
>>7943243
Burn 'em.

ME3 will go as thus

>If you blew up the Collector base
Final boss fight will proceed as normal, you fight some "leader" Reaper for the fate of the galaxy.

>If you gave the Collector base to the Illusive Man
Illusive Man shows up in a completed "human" Reaper. Kills the "leader" Reaper, replaces him as the final boss.

>>7943213
"Connection" proves nothing.

Cerberus had people doing shit behind backs of command. Do you think they are possibly responsible for classified research of other corporation?

>>7943204
They did few bad things, but EVERYONE did. Even fucking Alliance.

Galaxy is full of shit a full-paragon won't ever be able to accept. But it is necessary.


And you know what? I am starting to like The Illusive Man. He gets shit done.

Pic fucking related.

>>7943256
>Yeah, guy is so lame for being unable to control the free will of the thousands or hundreds of thousands of people all over the galaxy.

Unlock EDI, and you'll find out that Cerberus is composed of no more than 150 operatives, all of whom are overseen personally by TIM.

The guy just sounds like he's always in control; in reality, he's still the uplifted twit he was before he rose to power. He's just some rambling space-racist who got a blank check from people with more money than sense.

I didn't like the ending being like "LOL REVERSE ENGINEERING IS DANGEROUS"

Fucking bullshit. There should be a paragon way to save the station, because that's fucking valuable tech.

Seriously, why not use mass relays as huge guns?

>>7943310
He won't finish the Reaper. It needed millions and millions of people to be finished, kidnapping on that scale won't go unnoticed.

That was before Shep actually blew the Reaper to hell.

>>7943256
>>Yeah, guy is so lame for being unable to control the free will of the thousands or hundreds of thousands of people all over the galaxy.
If you talk to EDI after the AI lock's removed you find there's only ever about 150 Cerberus operatives working at any one time, in about 3 project cells, as the Illusive Man is big on personal involvement.
Given the sheer number of Cerberus projects that involve them doing terrible things to random people and having them fuck up horribly, it's not too much to suggest he might be to blame for commissioning them or recruiting questionable people.

>>7943334
itdoesn'tworkthatway.jpg

>>7943365

Hack mass relay.

Mass relay a huge rock. Drop mass effect field so that it regains its normal mass but keeps its ridiculous speed.

PROFIT

>>7943322
>He's just some rambling space-racist who got a blank check from people with more money than sense.

This sums it up nicely. The Illusive Man puts on a good show, but at the end of the day he's an utter idiot, willing to waste lives in the hope it'll bring him one step closer to human dominance with no regard to how it'll affect the galaxy at large. I hope we get the chance to deal with him permanently in ME3. With a bullet to the head.

>>7943322
>>Unlock EDI, and you'll find out that Cerberus is composed of no more than 150 operatives, all of whom are overseen personally by TIM.

150 Operatives can't accomplish nearly a fraction of the research and activities laid at the hands of Cerberus.

Are you saying that the same 150 people studied the Rachni, super soldier programs, raised Jack, built the Normandy II and all that other stuff?

Even amongst those 150, individual agents can go rogue. Cerberus would hardly be the first, last, or only organization to have a member that doesn't do exactly what the person in charge tells them to do- doubly so in an organization that prizes individual initiative and problem solving like Cerberus.

The Illusive Man provides the resources.

I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian. I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology). My xenoscience range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a scientist Salarian.

>>7943322

150 operatives on 3 cells NOW. Cerberus was composed of 12 cells in the past, some of them went rogue. I gess mr. TIM did a nice cleanup before ME2.

>>7942945
Yeah, the tech they layed out for us. They never anticipated GETTING THEIR ASSES KICKED AND BEING DISSECTED.

>>7943340
>>about 3 project cells
So this suggests he approves each project cell individually. He has plausible deniability on Jack, maybe- he commissioned a 'Turn biotic orphans into superweapons' project and the staff were sadists.
What sort of explanation is there for commissioning 'Make Rachni Army' or 'Experiment With Husks' or 'Live-Fire Thresher Maw Testing'? I mean, how was he expecting people to test husks without, y'know, husking people?

>>7943377
Even if TIM had zero knowledge about the nasty things Cerberus agents were doing, he still signed the check, and he did it without knowing exactly what the dangerous people he employed were planning on doing with that money. Willful ignorance isn't much of a defense.

>>7943396

Perhaps they planned for something like this to happen. Perhaps the protheans had a man like shepard who played right into their hands.

>>7943381

You know Mordin, when you sided with the Illusive Man and said I should save the station instead of blowing it up, I lost a lot of respect in you. That's just bad form.

>>7943268

>So I reloaded and blew the damn thing up instead to get the Blue Sun ending.

>Blue Sun Ending

>Blue Sun

Fuck those Blue Suns bastards!

>>7943407

Willful (and intentional) ignorance is a defense against the accusation that he sucks for not being able to control everything the person he writes a check to does.

>>7943377
>>150 Operatives can't accomplish nearly a fraction of the research and activities laid at the hands of Cerberus.
No, they can pretty easily if they work with others. The normandy group didn't build it from scratch, for example, they ordered parts from other suppliers and assembled it. The Rachni work was joint. The Husking wouldn't require more than a dozen or so people.

Hey apparently there's a company on Illium that does some genetic hoozits and makes Volus and Quarians not need their suit. They've only got a 40% success rate so far, but hey that's where Shepard and his billions of credits come in. Talisex is no longer a very slim possibility.

Didn't Cerberus was responsable for the construction of Normandy-1 as well? I remember EDI saying that Cerberus encouraged sharing Turian tech to construct the original Normandy.

>>7943443
I'm commander Shepard, and this is my favorite company on Illium

>>7943435
No, it just means he's a fucker for not even trying.

>>7943435
>>he sucks for not being able to control everything the person he writes a check to does.
Here you go, fellow Space Racist, have $Bazillion to investigate Evil Alien Bugs That Almost Destroyed Civilisation.
Oh no, you used that money to breed an army of Evil Alien Bugs! How could I have possibly guessed? Well, at least Shepard cleared it up for me.
What do I spend my money on now... oh, hello other Space Racist. What's that, you want to investigate Evil Robot Zombie Spikes? Sure, just let me get my chequebook.

We don't need no collector tech, we just need planet-mounted Mass Effect Kinetic Kill Cannons. Fuck the Reapers. Fuck that damn Dreadnought law, we'll make 1000 of them.

I want the SSV Carl Sagan super-dreadnought on the front lines. NOW.

Just to clarify, Cerberus DIDN'T work on Rachni on Noveria. It was some other company, hell if I can remember which. Don't tag everything bad in the universe to Cerberus please.

>>7943443
Kind of humorous to think that Shepard would spend billions to have sex with Tali much in the same way TIM spent billions to bring him back to life to save the galaxy.

>>7943443

Am I right in thinking that the other 60% die? I'm not sure it's worth the risk, frankly - sex can be reserved for special occasions only.

>>7943435
>>7943468

>implying that TIM is ever in any way not aware of what is organization is doing

I seem to recall Miranda mentioning that Cerberus only runs a few operations at once so that TIM can keep tabs on everything with his overbearing control freak tendancies. Yet somehow he's unaware of 90% of all cerberus shenanigans? Man he worked you guys good.

>>7943489
Cerberus did however obtain several of the cloned Rachni for study and kept them in one of their bases.

>>7943468
I want YOU to run a huge illegal corporation and be able to control EVERY single facility scattered over entire galaxy.

The Illusive Man is not Harbringer. He is but a man. And what is a man?

>>7943477
>>Here you go, fellow Space Racist, have $Bazillion to investigate Evil Alien Bugs That Almost Destroyed Civilisation.
Oh no, you used that money to breed an army of Evil Alien Bugs! How could I have possibly guessed? Well, at least Shepard cleared it up for me.
What do I spend my money on now... oh, hello other Space Racist. What's that, you want to investigate Evil Robot Zombie Spikes? Sure, just let me get my chequebook.

Yes. He also brings you back from the dead and gives you a state of the art ship and lets you go about the galaxy pretty much as you want.

Glad to see you realise how Cerberus works and how complaining about the fact that the Illusive Man is incompetent at overtly controlling people when he shows very little interest in overtly controlling them to begin with is retarded.

>>7943548
>And what is a man?

If you're TIM, apparently, either utterly incompetent or completely inhumane.

>>7943521
I can't see why they wouldn't. It's logical.

>>7943548
Shepard's but a man as well.

He's somewhat single-handedly saving the entire galaxy.

Plus he's the only one to have died and come back. And he's not even shaken up about that fact.

>>7943518
There was a thing in Subject Zero's loyalty mission where the Cerberus guys were keeping the details from TIM. They were all "Oh no we can't let him find out or it's our asses" and he was all "wow keeping secrets from me ain't cool" after you tell him. This shows that he's not up-to-date on everything. He probably knew the big picture ("Investigate ways to increase human biotic potential" or "Investigate kickass aliens we can use as shocktroopers") but not the details ("We're torturing orphans!" or "We're reviving the Rachni!" or "We're impaling people on bigass spikes!")

>>7943580
You'd think he'd be more "What the fuck" about that, but no, there's shit to be done, asses to kick, xenos to fuck.

>>7943559
I'm OP and that brings us to my first post.

How far can you go to do good, to save lifes, humanity, other races, galaxy?

Yes you can get your penor out, stand on a box, give a speech about being awesome and not needing shit and then fight superior race with sticks. But do you really want to see that bloodbath? Do you want to be responsible for slaughter?

Sometimes, you have to choose. Sometimes choise is hard. Often, it makes you live with guilt. But that's a price you have to pay.

>>7942594
I'm guessing you don't use biotics.

The Illusive Man is a philanthropist and Cerberus operatives are more like advisors and overseers.

He gives his money to other organizations and institutions. They do the work. He sends an operative to check up on it. He likes it, he keeps sending money. He doesn't, they stop getting money.

Like how Bill Gates can donate 1 million dollars to the Children in Africa Relief Fund. He can't keep those people on the ground from raping little African kids. When he finds out though, he pulls his money.

The Illusive Man has a high tolerance of douche baggery from those he sponsors. If he sees them helping humanity in the long run, he will keep giving them money. If he sees them trying to take advantage of him or furthering a cause he doesn't agree with, you pulls his support.

>>7943557
>>Glad to see you realise how Cerberus works and how complaining about the fact that the Illusive Man is incompetent at overtly controlling people
No, I'm saying that you can't say he's not to blame at all when he happily gives people with clearly questionable research vast amounts of money, sits back hands off as they do terrible things, then repeats it again. Either he doesn't understand what will happen and thinks they'll never do anything bad so they don't need supervision (he's an idiot) or he thinks they'll do terrible things and wants to avoid knowing about it so doesn't supervise them (he's funding evil projects and knows it).

Neither of which is the case as we're explicitly told he pays close attention to his projects.

>>7943581
Which leads back to the whole willful-ignorance-isn't-a-defense thing. If you hire Josef Mengele, hand him a blank check, give him a vaguely-worded mission involving screwing around with people, and then never check in on him, I think you kind of forfeit the right to be shocked and appalled when you learn he took that money and used it to sew up some vaginas.

>>7943580
Shep has a plot armor.

That, and do I need to remind you who ressurected him in the first place?

>>7943609
>>I'm guessing you don't use biotics.

Biotics are useless unless the enemy's shields and armor are gone. Once their shield and armor is down, taking out the remaining health is a negligible task.

Biotics (except Warp) blow in Mass Effect II. It's all about Tech and weapons.

Suddently, Jack is Illusive Man's daughter.

>>7943607

For me, the choice was simple.

Destroy the station. Humanity stands, it gathers allies, it fights. It makes sacrafices and it bleeds so that others don't have to. Victory is not assured, and even if it is, the losses will be great. But at the end, there would be some sort of peace and unity.

Hand the station over to TIM. It might increase our chances of victory. Or it might go horribly wrong and make things worse. And even if it does work, it gives a huge amount of power to a racist xenophobe who would quite happily see all other races serving Humanity.

I'm not willing to let that happen. Idealistic? Yes, very. But it's our morals and scruples, our ability to say "no, this is wrong" that seperates us from the Reapers.

>>7943649
>>Biotics are useless unless the enemy's shields and armor are gone
Good thing about 2/3 of the enemies have neither. Biotics are great vs mooks. Push is better than bullets.

>>7943630
>>7943623

The original complaint wan't that TIM funds shady deals and bad stuff. No fucking durr. That's stated multiple times in the game.

It was a complaint that he doesn't control people who work for him and that because somebody does something it's because he told them to do it and if he decides after finding out that he doesn't like it and stops supporting them, that this is somehow a failure on his part to adequately manage the project to ensure only what he wants to happen happens.

>>7943677

You know, I keep seeing these pictures - Shepard and the character he romanced lying on the bed together with their clothes on. I romanced Tali and never got one. What's the deal with that?

>>7943691
Plus, there's the possibility that the Reapers intentionally left the station intact. They created the mass relays and such in order to guide the development of technology to where they wanted it, this could be just another part of that.

>>7943693
>>Good thing about 2/3 of the enemies have neither. Biotics are great vs mooks. Push is better than bullets.

Incinerate, Snap Freeze, and other powers are superior and don't require the enemy to be near death for them to work.

>>7943646
Plot Armour is just a state of mind, a lesser man would freak out about being dead.

And it was Jacob, Miranda, Steve Blum, and a dedicated team of scientists.

TIM didn't do anything besides throw 4 billion credits their way, which isn't a lot considering they're RAISING THE FUCKING DEAD, and it was still horribly over-budget.

>>7943719

>>7943581
I think TIM just wanted to be able to claim plausible deniability.

>>7943750

Yea, that. Never got that after I finished my Romance scene with her. Is there something you've got to do, or did my console just hiccup and skip it for some reason?

>>7943782

when the mission is over, go to your private room and click your personal computer (call for tali)

>>7943793

Ah, thanks.

>>7943609
Biotics are for faggots.

>>7943256
150 people, actually.

>>7943793
ooooooh

BRB, hugging Tali

>>7943924

You can sit with her as well. She perches on your lap.

It still surprises me just how damn voraciously she pounces on you once her mask comes off. Girl must have been *really* wanting you despite all those nerves.

>>7943965
You bet. All she can do in that suit is shlick to some extent. Poor girl.

"And it was so worth it."

>>7943997

Wasn't it said somewhere that if you romanced different people in each game, they can meet up on your party (assuming both survive) and there'll be fireworks?

After seeing how crazy Liara's gone, I'm not sure how I can break the news that she's dumped without being crushed into soup.

>>7944024
Hopefully there's a nice speech choice saying it's been a long time and that you've both changed. If not well then screw Liara, got accidentally forced into that romance.

I romanced no one in the first game, as I was saving Shepard for Tali.

>>7944024

I don't see why people think she's crazy now. She just took a level in Bad Ass is all.

Hell, bitch is likely the reason you're alive in ME2. The comic (well, first issue as that's all they gave me) shows she's on a quest to find your body. She couldn't exactly keep up the naive archelogist thing and survive that.

>>7943750
So is it just me or can you see the pinpoits of light that are her eyes through her helmet there? They look half-closed.

>>7944088

Something about her casually describing how she's going to kill the Shadow Broker unnerved me. It sounded like she was looking forward to it, and would enjoy it. Hell, the Shepard I ran isn't as callous as that.

>>7944097

Yup, because she's sleeping/dozing beside you.

Any confirmation that surviving party members will be back in Mass Effect 3?

I really, really want Tali to stay on with me in ME3. The romance must CONTINUE.

>>7944116

Going on what >>7944024 said, I assume she'll turn up again, otherwise there won't be the little clashing love triangle. Bioware would seriously fuck up if Tali was left out, though.

>>7944106

Shadow Broker captured (and likely horribly murdered) the guy helping her find you. Shadow Broker, additionally, was plotting to find and HAND YOUR REMAINS TO THE COLLECTORS.

I can understand her murderous intentions, honestly. Wanting to murder the man who fucked with two close friends (one of which was potentially her lover) is rather easy to comprehend.

She's not just murdering some random fuck.

Hell, now that I think of it, she's kinda a step above Garrus on the crazy-o-meter, since Garrus is/was the SPACE PUNISHER and murdering random criminals willy-nilly.

Are things any different in ME2 if you keep the council alive?

>>7944139
In my game she mentioned there was a chance she'd end up on the Admirality board. If I have to go back and ruin her chance at a career to get her to stay on board the Normandy I WILL DO IT.

>>7944202

You remember that smug, racist Turian Councilor?

He makes fucking quotation fingers at you. Even though he lacks the neccesary number of digits to do so.

Fucker.

>>7944234

THAT MOTHER FUCKER

I REGRET NOTHING, THEN

>>7944250

I only regret saving them a little. But the other two councilors are nicer, and I'm sure the 10,000 strong crew of the Destiny Ascension is rather grateful.

ME3 better give me an opportunity to make that fucker eat humble pie. Again.

>>7944024
Romance Liara, save galaxy, Die

Get rebuilt, romance Jack

Watch awesome mindcrush battle.

>>7943693
Atr the end, two warps were enough to kill Harbinger for me. Singularity also eats away at shields/barriers like a DoT and can instant kill a Ymir mech that has its armour gone.

>>7943997
How did you get all that? I got some weird "So are you still interested?" shit.

>>7944234
I hope all of the ME series is a set up to give him the ultimate finger. Like, Shepherd joins the Reapers for the sole purpose of blowing up enough suns to spell out "HUMANITY WAS HERE, TURIANS ARE FAGGOTS" - visible from anywhere, day or night, in the galaxy. 10 times.

>>7944436
You send them a message with your personal terminal up in your cabin.

>>7944436
Just before you hit Omega 4 relay, Tali walks up to your cabin and sexan happens.

After you finish the mission, granted everyone survives, you can continue to play, go to engineering and talk to Tali. She says that she is ill like hell, but it was totally worth it. I swear I could see her blushing under that helmet.

>>7944466
I just sat around with them on their lap, giggling and somehow drinking wine.

>>7944480
Weird. Oh well.

>>7944483
A... tipsy Tali?

This idea pleases me. It pleases me greatly.

>>7944362
IT'S NOT CHEATING IF YOU DIE INBETWEEN RELATIONSHIPS!

>>7944511
>>7944483
Can you get her to drink wine? If so, how?

>>7944517
You can't really fault that logic.

>>7944538

"Till death do ye part" as the old human saying goes.

>>7944653
Beasari Arthur, you are my favorite NPC ever.