Did we win against the Tristars?

IN OUR LAST EPISODE

Your team won three brand new MS-09 Dom mobile suits in a high stakes Zero-G Basketball game against the Black Tristars. With your team's Long Range support specialist, Jolyne Brande's chastity on the line, your team managed to pull through and come out victorious.

Later on that afternoon, you got a visit from a representative of the Flanagan Institute who helpfully explained how Newtypes work.

That was yesterday, this is today.

CURRENT STATUS

HANGAR
3x MS-09 Doms
2x MS-06F2 Zaku II's
1x MS-06E Recon Zaku

PILOT ROSTER

Lieutenant David Lister
Ensign Zolomon Ringo
Pvt 1st Jolyne Brande
Pvt 1st Hovis Goddard
Pvt 1st Elaine "Ruubens" Arronax
Pvt Calvin Hobart

>>7856827
Yes. Barely.

ON YOUR IN TRAY:

Zolomon Ringo has been asked by Zeonic to test out a ground unit for them in "The Washer".

Calvin Hobart has been asked to test out the Improved Recon Zaku: E3 'Flipper'.

At some point, Dr Rannistel said he wanted you to test out something that the Flannigan Institute had cooked up, but he hasn't forwarded the details yet.

You also have two other messages from Zeonic, and 2 more from Zimmad, which you haven't opened yet. No messages in your inbox about the Mixed unit doctrine thesis you've been sending to various aces yet.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>7856806
I searched for an hour and couldnt find the Zeonquest thread last night. By the time it popped up in the suptg archive It was too late.

I was at work yesterday thinking about the basket ball game that was going and started thinking.

"If they're going to be playing in Mobile Suits what are they going to find big enough to be the basket ba-OMFG THEY"RE GOING TO USE AN RB-79!"

>>7856925
Check our mail, then. Stuff from Zeonic and Zimmad will always be TEST THIS.

And yes, we did use a Ball.

>>7856925
Check out he stuff from Zeonic and Zimmad. They almost always have good/interesting stuff.

>>7856925
Open all the unopened messages, take time to read each of them. Unless one or more are obviously spam. No, we will not give you our credit information so that you can reclaim the lost city of Fortuna!

>>7856870
Don't you mean Rick-doms?

>>7856951
No they're the Black Tri-Star's standard ground use Doms.

Out of curiosity, what is Zol testing right now anyway? The Efreet?

>>7856979
They're not. But they are Built in space since that's where the manufacturing center is and this asteroid base has an artificial gravity simulator to test out ground use MS.

OH YEAH

Call Ookawa and ask him if he can take a look at the doms, assess what kinds of tweaks/retools can be done, and then start trying out multiple of his ideas at once, and comparing the resulting change in performance between the three suits.

The hope is to get the suits as tightly calibrated to our needs as possible.

Also, if Ookawa can find some way to safely install leg rocket launchers on one of the Doms at some point, that would be perfect. Just slap a heat sink in between the leg and launcher, to keep potential heat buildup from the leg thrusters from detonating a warhead.

>>7857033
Ookawara is still back in California.

>Check our mail, then. Stuff from Zeonic and Zimmad will always be TEST THIS.

>Out of curiosity, what is Zol testing right now anyway? The Efreet?

Checking Zolomon's assignment you see that he's slated to test out a refit package for the MS-07B Gouf.

You check your mail, and discover that Zeonic are looking for another test pilot to square off against Zolomon's new unit. Something called an MS-08TX.

The second letter is them asking for another space combat test, with an old F-type refitted with some kind of Magnetic reduced friction coating.

The letters from Zimmad are asking you to test out a theoretical medium range support refit for the Dom (you have to applaud the speed at which they're coming up with these things.) and some kind of High Speed Mobile suit for space use.

YOU CAN ASSIGN DIFFERENT PILOTS TO VARIOUS TASKS IF YOU WANT.

Hovis Goddard has been ordered off active duty for the next two days however.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>7857033
doms are stilol a new thing yeah? So there won't be as much data on how to tweak a suit to the needs of an individual pilot yet, at least not like there is with the Zaku.

If Ookawa can start figuring that out right away (and team members helping him test calibrations during downtime), not just to improve our performance when we ship out, but also so we might be able to send mroe specialized data on how to use doms to the Black Tristars.

In theory, they have heard of our combined arms papers, they now know we tested the dom prototype, and we are a known ace. Who knows, we might be able to convince hem to stop using that Jet slipstream attack when presented with possible newtype pilots

>>7857068
So, Efreet, Act Zaku, Dom Cannon, and...something else.

Hm. Tough call.

>>7857068
We test out the new Dom support refit, Jolyne tests against Zol's unit and Hobbes tests the Magnetic coating.

>>7857068
Okay. I say we take the Efreet. We won't get many opportunities to face off against Zol in a mock battle. Plus, Efreet vs. Gouf Custom sounds badass.

Jo can obviously handle testing the Dom Cannon, so that leaves Ruubens with either the Act Zaku or this mystery High Mobility unit.

>>7857072
How about when we start doing tests today, we send out some requests to get technical data on the doms for out tech. Give the reason of (easier to maintain in field with more data, easier to get better performance, etc.)

As for machines, is Ruubens working on a test yet? If not, have her test the newly jointed F type, D. Listers tests mid range Dom first (good chance to ask for papers on doms), Jolyne in the suit squaring off against Zolomon, just because it's a good way to test if hostilities are gone. Also, encourage Jolyne to let out any remaining frustration at Zolomon in the test, but to have everthing settled by the end. Get a passionate competitive test, and get team mates working together better.

woo zeonquest - missed lastnights so.....i'll jump in after ive read it....

>>7857112
So, exactly what is so helpful about the Efreet? I have heard it's name bandied about favorably for a while.

Also, D. List/Jolyne in Dom/Efreet (not sure if jolyne should fight Zol or us), and ruubens in Act Zaku

>>7857116
I like this. Ask for some more detailed technical specs when you go in.

>>7857068
>Hovis Goddard has been ordered off active duty for the next two days however.

This is to be expected. Is there sufficient technology to clone a new leg for him? And if not we should see about helping to pay for any upgrades to his prosthetic(s) that will give him full mobility. It's possible he's just having it operated on to 'clean up' the wound a bit.

Jolyne should try out Zimmad's GUN-DOM for sure.
Elaine could trying facing off against Zol in the Zaku with the low friction coating.

We should try out Zimmad's high speed space MS.

>>7857141
I don't really know much about it, since it's actually an original unit from the G Generation series of strategy games. I do have a model though, and it seems like basically a Gouf Plus.

>>7857142
Woops. Screwed that up abit.
Elaine should still try the the Zaku with the low friction coating though.

Calvin vs Zol?

>>7857141
>So, exactly what is so helpful about the Efreet?

Nothing really, It's a terrible close range unit with no shield and only a shotgun.

The only thing to be gained from it is the EFREET CUSTOM FUCK YEAR

>>7857162
Calvin's busy with the Flipper right now.

>>7857185
I just dont have it together today.

l also know nothing about Efreet Custom.

Exactly what allows it to compare with the Gelgoog, the other suit we seem to be shooting for?

>How about when we start doing tests today, we send out some requests to get technical data on the doms for out tech. Give the reason of (easier to maintain in field with more data, easier to get better performance, etc.)

Oh you'll be getting that anyway. Don't forget that Ookawara also worked on the Dom Prototype for about a month before you were sent off to Hawaii.

>This is to be expected. Is there sufficient technology to clone a new leg for him?

No, I asked around on /m/, and the general consensus was that prosthetic limb technology was around the same level as what we have now.

I have bad allergies today.

So, who will be doing what today?

>>7857205
Efreet Custom is something we probably won't be getting. It's an individual Efreet oufitted with an EXAM system.

>>7857208
GET HIM SWISS ARMY LEG, COMPLETE WITH GUN.

HIS LEG WILL BE AN ANTI-CANON CANNON

>>7857205
The efreet custom is ground only, outfitted with hoverthrusters similiar to the ground dom, it has two large heat sabers in the hand, a Twin tube grenade launcher on each wrist, and a 6 tube missile launcher on each leg. However the real thing going for it (which may or may not be included) is the EXAM system, which basically turns you into a newtype.

>>7857228
...Uh. thought we came to a consensus of:

D. Lister: Efreet
Jolyne: mid-range Dom
Ruuben: Act Zaku

Us - Zimmad high mobility suit
Jolyne - Support Dom
Elaine - Reduced Friction Zaku

>>7857208
Our prosthetics tech is pritty good right now. We have sensors that can pick up on electrical impulses being sent to the missing limb and interpret that into accurate movement. It's just expensive.

>>7857228
>>7857097
Adendum: Hobbes is busy, so Ruubens should take the magnetic coating test.

>>7857243
I really doubt it's the actual act zaku, which is an EXTREMELY high performance mobile suit equivalent to 0083 tech, equipped with giant tomahawks, a beam rifle, bazooka, and a special MG.

It's more likely it's just just a zaku with magnetic coating.

>>7857234
And what happens when an actual newtype uses it? Anything special or different? And what does this EXAM system do, anyway, does it interface with AMBAC procedures and make new ones like the gundam or something?

>>7857228
Start testing the suits out. That mid-range Gouf upgrade sounds right up our alley.

Let's have the rest of the team scramble for whichever suits THEY want.

NAME THE DOM CANNON 'GUN-DOM'
adviceLister.jpg
GET SUED BY THE FEDERATION

>>7857267
In some of it's portrayals, newtypes can't operate an EXAM equipped mobile suit, possibly because the the system will react violently.

Technically it's powered by the soul of a newtype and would give you enhanced awareness and limited precognition. It's also possible it can take over the suit and send it on a rampage, but that isn't the INTENDED effect, unlike ALICE, which is basically an AI system to take over piloting when the suit is in danger.

>>7857243
Go this.

I'd like to see how we fare against our bro.

>>7857267
The EXAM system incorporates the brain patterns of a dissected Newtype to supplement the onboard computer macros of a Mobile Suit, as a sort of proto-AI.

It also makes the suit prone to rampaging like a berserker, since most people don't like being tortuously installed into a war machine.

Maybe we can shunt off one of the offers to Strauss? He seemed kinda bored last time we saw him, right?

>>7857311
>It also makes the suit prone to rampaging like a berserker, since most people don't like being tortuously installed into a war machine.
Yeah, the real trick is finding the ones that DO. Theres bound to be a couple of newtypes with that as their fetish hanging around...

>>7857325

Good call! Contact Strauss for the last suit!

>>7857311
>The EXAM system incorporates the brain patterns of a dissected Newtype
>dissected Newtype

My dubious ethics senses are tingling...

>>7857311
THAT'S why we want the Efreet Custom?

Lister's claim to fame is that he's an ace pilot, and terribly averse to computer assistance in MS piloting. And Newtype.

>>7857332
Odds are those would be the ones even more prone to it, if that was the case. It'd be like a giant, mechanical Khornate worshipper.

>>7857339
It still looks awesome

>>7857343
...
heheh. HAHAHAHA. HAAAA HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA!

I THINK WE JUST FOUND OUR PLAN "B". EVEN IN DEATH, SIEG ZEON!

>D. Lister: Efreet
>Jolyne: mid-range Dom
>Ruuben: Act Zaku

You regret to inform the Zimmad team that you wont be able to supply them a test pilot for their Space Type MS, but you can supply Jolyne to test out their Dom Refit.
They reply that this is fine, and they'll find a pilot for the Zudah from elsewhere.

Ruubens get's assigned to the Magnetic Coating test type, which AS I MENTIONED is a simple F type Zaku II with magnetised joints.
You meanwhile mount up in the MS-08 Efreet.

The Efreet is a heavy combat machine that straddles the line between Mobile Suit and Heavy Mobile Suit, if features heavier armour than any Mobile Suit you've used aside from the Dom, and comes with multiple slots for Beam Sabers (Gouf type) as well as the capacity to use any weapon the Zaku series can.
Also, the joints and musclature have been improved, like the R-3 you were testing yesterday it can easily handle a 90mm, possibly even a 120mm MG in each hand. It also has a pretty hefty weight to throw around in close combat.

>>7857339
>>7857338
Exactly. It's incredibly unethical and quite dangerous to both the pilot and whoever happens to be around the suit at the time. Also, the Newtype will probably start trying to plead for a mercy killing from its pilot, something we probably don't want on our conscience in the middle of battle.

>>7857360
Looks like a squid-head.

>>7857367
>Zudah.
DODGED A BULLET THERE.

And I saw magnetic coating and automatically assumed Act Zaku. My apologies.

>>7857363
YES

OH GOD YES YOU ARE THE BEST PLAN B EVER

You just take the brains of dying Newtypes and everyone is happy! Of course they'd have to be a registered organ donor first (After all, they're donating their brain to a Zaku) but other than that...

>>7857367
Let's test out this brave, new, dual-wielding ability.

Stress tests on the individual arms with multiple MGs.

Zolomon's unit conversely is the B-3 commanders package for the Gouf. It's been heavily overhauled, and you can't help but feel that a lot of the modifications tie in with what Zolomon was asking for out of the Gouf.

You guess that the guys upstairs have been listening.

Compared to you, the B-3 is lighter in armour, but faster and more agile as a result, whilst the Efreet has an excellent mid-range combat capacity, the B-3 is close combat monster, featuring a Gatling shield which mounts 75mm Gatling gun, underwhich lie the triple barrelled 35mm that Zolomon has been using for months. The Heat Rod has been made longer, thinner and with a grapnel at the end that can EASILY support the B-3's weight.
This is going to be a pretty equal fight.

>>7857369
Then why are you and several other people saying that we should use it?

>>7857388
What's so bad about the Zudah?

>>7857367
>like the R-3 you were testing yesterday
...

I'm sorry, but it had to be done...

>>7857399
Maybe get a couple brains, so that the dead newtypes don't get lonely in the ship's computers.

>>7857388
Holy cow. Kinda glad my suggestion to have David pilot the space one was ignored now.

>>7857410
>Then why are you and several other people saying that we should use it?
We're not. Its just that the whole system seems quite similar to a Space Marine Dreadnaught, so if we should ever kick the bucket...

>possibly even a 120mm MG in each hand

It's like I'm really playing 0081 senki!


>>7857410
>What's so bad about the Zudah?
massive engine problems, causing it to overheat/overload and the suit becomes unresponsive until it explodes.

>>7857423
Nah, we just install Tetris and maybe hook up an internet connection and it'll all work out perfectly.

You ask the Zeonic team head (a Mr H.Hill) why he decided to have two prototypes from the same team go at it.

"Well, you see, it happens sometimes, Team A says that they're Mobile Suit is the best, and sometimes Team B says that, No, there's is the best..."

He continues.

"... Now, I like the Efreet, but I like the Custom Gouf as well but which one's better? There's only one way to find out..."

>>7857410
I'm not. I'm advising against it since I'm not too keen on our suit flying off the handle and murdering all our squadmates with us in the cockpit.

And the Zudah is hellishly fast, but is prone to somewhat...explosive overclocking. Basically what happens when you strap a giant chemical rocket to the back of a MS.

And finally GOUF CUSTOM VS. EFREET FUCK YEAH.

>>7857432
Oh. Well that I can get behind. It's just that when people mentioned that Newtypes couldn't even use the EXAM system, when that was supposedly the main draw, I was wondering about just WHY they wanted us to get it.

>>7857410
I suppose it's because it's one of the most violent, powerful Zeon MS in the OYW. Not that I'd want to pilot it, but still...
>>7857410
Not sure, but judging from the reaction, 603rd miiiiiight have something to do with it.

>>7857448

>>7857449
>>7857441
Ah, now those are some good reasons NOT to test the Zudah.

>>7857453
Begin the fight!

>>7857453
MORTAL KOMBAAAAAT

>>7857451
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj1BXR7yfkU

Because it's awesome.

RESULTS OF THE DAY

Efreet vs Gouf Custom

You opt to twin weild a pair of 90mm guns, and pack some Panzerfausts and plenty of reloads as well. Luckily the washer is set up for urban combat so you get some cover. To be honest though, you still don't really have the distance you'd like against Zolomon.
The Distance in question being from several miles away.
It's still a highly impressive and brutal fight however, with Zolomon only coming out 8 round to your 6.
In effect both design teams continue to insist that their design is superior and in the end, they decide to do a limited production run of the Efreet, and put out refit packages for the Gouf B's that are already in the field instead of building them outright.

Jolyne testing out the Cannon Dom
No problems reported, and if anything, she claims that the heavy frame of the Dom could probably take the recoil of a second backpack mounted cannon. Also, the shoot and scoot possiblities raised by it are intriguing.

>>7857498
Brofist Zol for a job well done.

>>7857498
>second backpack mounted cannon.

So does this mean we're getting close to having our own Zeon-type Guncannon?

>>7857498
Cont

ELAINE WITH THE MAGNETIC COATED ZAKU
A clear improvement in the suits reaction times are noted, however the old F-type can't really make the best of this improvement, and the coating method is expensive. The technology is marked as a success, and is shuttled into the MS-11 project.

CALVIN IN THE FLIPPER
No problems reported, and the sensor detail and fidelity is superb, however the design seems flimsy and he voices concerns about it's endurance in operations on Earth.

When you return you see you have two Emails, one is from Dr Rannistel and the other is from Shin Matsunaga.

>>7857530
Open emails.

>>7857530
Newtypes n' Aces.

Check them both. Obviously something interesting in them.

>>You are David Lister

After testing we go out for several bowls of Vindaloo and hit on a girl with a light-up pinball smile.

>>7857536

The first mail from Dr Rannistel contains information about the test he would like your help with. Apparently at some point during the week he would like you to go up against a newtype piloting a Mobile Suit that makes use of a newtypes skills. He suggests either a small team of 3 vs his Newtype.

The other is from Shin tealling you that Dozle is intrigued about your Essay, and wonders if you'd like to stage a mock battle on some day to put your theories to the test.

IT IS CURRENTLY TUESDAY - YOU RETURN TO CALIFORNIA ON FRIDAY

WHICH DAY'S WOULD YOU LIKE TO SCHEDULE THE MOCK BATTLE, AND THE NEWTYPE MS TEST?

GOING TO DINNER, TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES.

Should we prepare a memorial service for whatever poor bastard ended up testing out the Zudah?

And I'd definitely be interested in whatever the Flanagan Institute wants us to test.

>>7857567
Well, thankfully we have more then enough time for both. But I think a mock battle against a Newtype would be incredibly taxing. Probably moreso than anything we've done since we took out Bandit.

>>7857567
>small team of 3 vs his Newtype
David, Zolomon and Elaine. Three Newtypes vs one, should be a breeze.

>>7857567
Newtype Ms at next possible convenience, Dozle's mock battle the next day.

Gives us a chance to add some data on dealing with a crazy capable unit on the field, something our combined arms paper is currently, lacking, yes? nd more time to get used to our new doms, which we could field in both events, I am hoping.

>>7857567
Do the mock battle on Wednesday and the Newtype battle on Thursday, because if the Newtype battle awakens any of us we're going to want to have a day to recover afterwards.

>>7857567

Lets do our mock battle first on Wednesday, Newtype test on thursday, rest recuperation and drinks with everyone friday.

Newtype battle should be:
Lister, Zo,l Ruubens.

>>7857604
D. Lister, the king of trial by fire, needs no day of rest!

>>7857288

>>7857625
On the other hand, we're not idiots, so why risk something going spectacularly wrong with our test of our combined arms theory when there's no need to?

I mean, fucking it up solely because we've got Newtype headaches from the day before would be annoying. To say the least.

>>7857673
I agree. Alternatively, we could just schedule the combined-arms test before the Newtype battle.

Newtype Battle before the combined arms test.

>>7857604
>>7857619
These.

>>7857689
Well, that's what I'm suggesting.

Others seem to disagree.

Mock battle first.

We need to be fresh and at our peak for this. It not only affects our well being but it could be a great turning point in the war.

Focusing Zeon on more reliable weapons rather than the super weapons its been focusing on in canon.

Besisdes, we've spent almost EVERY WAKING HOUR since we've thought of it it working on it.

I say we do the mock battle, and hopefully get our name in written in big bold letters in the Zeonic military.

With this picture on the cover.

>>7857761
I figure that's the picture that goes on the back of "The Mobile Suit in Attack".

>>7857761
I'm noticing a severe Kat deficiency in that pic.

>>7857783
>>7857788

Pfffft trying to come up with a mockup for the book... its harder than I thought it would be....

Did we ever get confirmation on the Apsalus being cancled? I think it was implied but you know /tg/ when it comes to implications.

>>7858022

Was heavily implied, but you know how Gineas was.... <_<

>>7858022
We walked in on Garma shutting down Ghinias's development of the third one. All that's left is the unarmed Minovsky Craft test unit and the second one with the cannon, neither of which will probably be of any use in the future.

>>7857969
Cover art perhaps?

>>7858022
>Just what are you implying?

>>7858034
That base of his in Asia would be a good spot for a Mobile Suit production facility.
Start producing Dom's locally and it'd really give the Feddies hell.

>>7858045
Was going to use this, but all the text thats available in my photoshop is kinda crappy.

Okay, so the general consensus is dow the Mock Battle tommorow where you test out your theories on combined arms, and the Newtype battle the day afterwards.

Now - I just need to come up with some ideas that David's been working on for MSiA.

>>7858043
I missed that part, thanks.

>>7858105
Rule 1: Never state that it is a Gundam.

>>7858105
Treating the suits less as people to 'kill' and more as mobile weapon plaforms to be crippled. Shots to sensors, joints, weapons, anything to circumvent the armor protecting pretty much everything else.

Heat axes to the back of knees in melee to instantly drop a suit by disrupting footing.

Charging behind rocket fire as a form of cover (with Dom speeds works very well)

>>7858105
Working in small units, wherein each unit watches the back of others. I say this even though it is normal tactical doctrine because it never seemed to be used on either side with MS except in isolated incidents. So really, encourage people to work with a buddy that watches their less armored back while they do the same would hopefully boost troop effectiveness, and by having someone cover you, the average soldier has a better chance of surviving to learn from his or her mistakes and become a more competent pilot.

Also could have a target prioritization scale so that there is a general rule of thumb for what should or should not be attacked in absence of orders, thereby increasing troop initiative when under M. Particle effect.

>>7858105

Most of it consisted with the suits each performing to their strengths while other suits covered for their deficiencies.

When it was proposed, all I remember seeing was several of the same suits used in large formations without any kind of variety.

A combined arms strategy enables troops, tanks, and Mobile suits to support one another.

Mobile suits and later mobile armors act as an iron fist, with tanks and troops providing support.

Mobile suits and armors would strike fast and hard, causing wholesale destruction, mobile armors providing fire support or close combat as is their specialty at either.

MS would nominally advance under support fire from long range MA such as the Hildorf or long range MS akin to our GUN DOM.

Troops and tanks would move in a supporting role, either ranging ahead to spot for infantry ambushes that MS and tanks have a hard time seeing, or to provide short to midrange fire support and/or spotting services.

>>7858131

Addendum, no targets shall be 'named' other than their disgnations given by Zeonic military.

Naming of unknown classification of enemy assets will be by Alpha numeric nomenclature, i.e. Target Alpha1, Bravo 1, etc

You more closely inspect the nature of the Mock Battle that Dozle is proposing. Essentially he will be using a standard Zeonic doctrine force of One Chivvay Heavy Cruiser, supported by two squads of Mobile Suits (F2 type Zaku's) and a support unit of 15 Gattle Fighters.

He allows you to pick and choose a similar battleforce that makes use of your combined arms doctrine.
You have several Musai pattern cruisers available, and of course your squad. Although Hovis is still out of action for today.
You ask him if he thinks he can swing it past the Docs after a day of bed-rest. He say's he'll see what he can do.

CHOOSE YOUR FORCE DISPOSITION

Keep in mind that Dozle will be less likely to take your proposals seriously if you deliberately take a force that vastly outguns him. You can also draw upon almost any of the test MS you have been using this week, but again, remember that if you pick MS that vastly outgun his own, then it will effect his opionion of you and your essay.

>>7858105
Mobile Armor support and localized fire superiority should be some major points.
Large scale unit coordination via AWACS and ECM should also factor in allowing forward MS or fighters to act as spotters for artillery.

>>7858213

Can we have a quick rundown of available assets Apologized?

>>7858178
This An0n has the right idea.

>>7858213
Does Pezun have any of the Jicco assault boats available? This being space, it's the closest thing we have to an armor analogue.

>>7858213
How many zakus per squad?

4 of our MS vs the 6 of theirs should be a good match. Not sure about ship assets. Most of my specialties are geared toward land combat.

>>7858249
>Does Pezun have any of the Jicco assault boats available? This being space, it's the closest thing we have to an armor analogue.

It has a unit of 5, but they've been mothballed since the start of the war due to Minovsky particles making their Guided weapons armament useless.

>>7858242

MS you've tested:
MS-06R-3 Next Gen MS Zaku test type
MS-06RP Zaku II technology testbed
2x MS-06R-1A's (scheduled to be shipped out tommorow)
1x MS-06F with Magnetic Coating
1x MS-06E3 Flipper Recon Zaku
4x MS-06F2 Zaku's
An effectively unlimited number of MS-06F Zaku II's

Unlimited supply of Gattle's
5 Jicco Assault Boats
2x Musai class Cruisers

1x MA-05 Bigro
1x MA-04X Zakrello that the tech are trying to pretend they've lost.

>>7858319

Yeah... most of our tactical expertise has been in ground combat.

Is their anyone we can ask in adapting our ideas to space engagements?

Last time we deatl with something out of our league it turend out kinda.... bad...

>>7858357

The fact that your doctrine is mostly aimed at ground operations has been noted, and has been taken into consideration. All Dozle want's is some general feel of how your Doctrine will play out.

Perhaps we should get Strauss' opinion on this? He definitely has a better head for tactics than we do...

I don't think we should take more then one Musai, since that would bring us over the "massively overgunned" threshold. It ought to be enough for long-rage support anyway, that's what they're made for.

I'd like our mobile force to be built around the Bigro Hovis tested. It's an excellent anti-ship unit and would cover the shortcomings a Musai would have against a Chivvay nicely. MS compliment should be light and fast to keep up with it. I'd like the R-types to be the spearhead, but I'm afraid how that might look on the evaluation, relying on the high-performance prototypes. Either way, we shouldn't have more then four or so.

Supplant the rest with Gattles, if the Jiccos are only good for guided missiles then.

flipper recon zaku, acting as a spotter for our 2 musai class cruisers. Hobbes is pilot of course armed with a 90mm MG

Jolyne in a Zaku F2 fitted for long range combat. 15 Gattle fighters and her protecting the Musais.

Can we see if we can get Hovis on one of the Musai's to act as gunnery officer? Its kind of like he's in a mobile armor.... :D

>>7858436
>The Chivvay class is a ship developed by the Zeon to help protect convoys and perform miscellaneous tasks. It was often used to serve as a flagship in a battle group. It is equipped with two triple barreled beam turrets, multiple twin barreled anti-air batteries and several missile launchers, but originally was not designed to carry mobile suits. However, its size was sufficient that its cargo bays could be, and usually were, easily converted to mobile suit hangars. A handful of these vessels were remade into Tivvay class heavy cruisers, and some of the Chivvay class vessels were refitted for use by Zeon/Neo Zeon space attack commanders. The class proved itself useful, but in the end the Zeon drive for ships with mobile suit capacity resulted in the discontinuation of the class.

>The Musai class light cruiser was the first warship designed to carry mobile suits. Char Aznable commanded a modified Musai class cruiser with a helmet-shaped command bridge, the Falmel. The original Musai light cruisers carried five Zaku I or Zaku II mobile suits and supported them with a battery of three mega particle cannon turrets. However, they lacked any type of anti-aircraft/anti-mobile suit defense systems, which haunt Zeon forces in the latter half of the One Year War, when the Federal Forces deployed their own mobile suits. Towards the end of the One Year War, the Zeon engineers remodeled the Musai class to carry three of the bulkier Rick Dom moblie suits. Late production types could carry four Rick Doms and featured anti-air and anti-mobile suit machine gun turret defenses. However, due to operational setbacks, few of these where produced.

I think we're already outgunned mate.

>>7858461
The Musai is also built to work as the cornerstone of a MS battlegroup, though, and is capable of directing all its firepower into its forward arc. The Chivvay is not, since half of its main cannons face sternwards.

>>7858342
3x MS-06F2
1x high mobility MS or other prototype MS
1x MA
1x Musai and Half as many gattles as Dozle is using.

>>7858498

hmmm... so lets try this one musai and whatever forces we can muster and we advance firing all the way until the musai can get within range for a killing blow against the Chiaway.

We run interference against the Gattles and the Chiaways beams and anti air and missiles.

We keep Hobbes coverd so he can provide accurate fire for the musai until optimum range.

Zol Lister, and Ruubens do what we do best, wreak havoc.

Gattles, Musai, and Jolyne come on in firing until its guns are deformed.

Good? Yes? No?

Spread out the Gattles. Having them act as one swarm isn't very combined arms-y. Maybe assign a pair to watch each mobile suit's back / act as spotters?

>>7858578

I like this... so um... okay.

Gattles act as infantry. Musai is representative of a tank group.

Jolyne, have her act as a MA in a long range fire support role.

We move in still with Hobbes with us as a spotter role for the musai which would be a few klicks behind us.

We wreak havoc. Musai follows up.

Possibly have a few gattle with Jolyne as backup?

>>7858564
Since the Chivvay seems to have heavier firepower than our Mausai we should try to keep it at range as much as possible.

>>7858578
This sounds good.

>>7858564
Musai stays where it is and provides cover fire as we advance, targeting the Chivvay. Gattles run interference and harass with hit-and run tactics while the Bigro and MS team hit them where it hurts.

Throughout the OYW, mobile suits were capable of closing range fast enough to easily destroy enemy ships that were without mobile suit escort. So if we were to take a cruiser, we would have to split our forces to defend it from close range attack due to the musai having almost no point defense capability. I am not sure that it would be worth cutting our attack capabilities for inaccurate long range support whose only use is destroying other cruisers when the mobile suit is so much better in that role.

>>7858649
That's simple enough to fix by changing our objectives. The Enemy MS are now the primary target with the cruiser being secondary.

>I'd like our mobile force to be built around the Bigro Hovis tested. It's an excellent anti-ship unit and would cover the shortcomings a Musai would have against a Chivvay nicely.

You check with Hovis. He say's the doctor isn't pleased with it, but as long as he doesn't do any testing and get's plenty of rest for the rest of the week he was willing to square it.

So 1 Musai, 1 Bigro

>>7858429
>Perhaps we should get Strauss' opinion on this? He definitely has a better head for tactics than we do...

Checking with Strauss, he gives the opinion that Dozle has probably gone for standard textbook MS loadout. 1 squad of 3 Zaku's configured for Anti-Ship, the other for General Multipurpose. The fighters will be there to cover the Chivvay, and to move forwards and support the MS.

So, you have 5 MS pilots left, a single squad is 3 suits, and single wing of Gattle fighters is 5.

So, what sort of squad do you want?

Question: Will Zol be using Paint based heathawks? Since I don't know exactly how they work them out in simulations...

>>7858672

Note that whilst a standard MS squad is 3, a Musai's full MS carrying capacity is 3 MS in the hangar and 2 in the Kommusai, so you could take either 3 or 5 mobile suits and argue for either.

>>7858698

Sort of, the Hawks are turned off, and are covered in a special sheath that prevent them from causing damage aside from with the computer.

>>7858669
So then we should take more mobile suits since they are better equipped to destroy other mobile suits as opposed to a cruiser, right?

>>7858672
D. Lister, think about:
>>7858176
>>7858178

And think about the fact that your arms proposal might not be best served by your or any other particularly talented ace carrying the day, as this is supposed to dictate general tactics.... unless you can somehow propose an ace contingent of some sort be included in a standard force, or something.

>>7858698
Replace heat hawks with MS-scale paintbrushes. Problem solved.

>>7858672
Let's go for 3. The Bigro is easily the equal of a squad of Zakus decked for anti-ship combat, and it'll give us that much more credibility when we win.

>>7858755

Okay, so a squad of what, armed with what? And who will be piloting

>And think about the fact that your arms proposal might not be best served by your or any other particularly talented ace carrying the day, as this is supposed to dictate general tactics.... unless you can somehow propose an ace contingent of some sort be included in a standard force, or something.

There's not really much you can do about that. Besides, you have a nagging suspicion that Dozle will be fielding a couple of aces in his squads as well.

Nerf axes.

Whatever we do, we need our forces varied. Combined forces means varied forces working in tandem. We need to prove that it's superior to the standard Zeon forces.

I know dick about Gundam, so whatever.

>>7858810

FFFFF return of the black tri stars.... D:

Gear up for anti MS with panzerfausts for dealing with the Chiaway.

Well, we definitely want to bring along the Flipper for spotting purposes.

For our Zakus, I'd go with standard F2s, as matching our MS contingent to theirs would help in proving the point about doctrine. Preferably four of them; one kitted out for close-combat, two for midrange, one for long-range/command. They operate as a single squad.

The point is proving our combined arms theories, so we should go for, well, combined arms.

1 Musai
5 Gattles
1 MA
3 Suits, all differently configured:
-Hobbes in a Recon Suit (his R2 if we took it up into orbit? if not the Flipper he was testing)
-Us in a General Purpose F2
-Zolomon in a F2 loaded for close assaults

>>7858755
if i were there i would make a squad of four, the flipper for recon, the magnetic zaku for close range and two already tested zaku2 for long range, its space so range is a huge factor

Since MSes are so good at anti-battleship, and they'll likely start off gunning for the Musai, how about a trap?

>>7858887
yea let the enemy come to us kinda thing and hold the defensive

>>7858856

This I see as a feasible force for Zeon to field. Its got a lot of tactical flexibility and firepower. We can go with this yes?

If we go for five MS (we have fewer Gattles and the less powerful ship) could we load two close assault suits in the Kommusai to simulate the advantage of combat drops?

>>7858856
Up us to ten Gattles, just to be safe. A few extra as a distraction couldn't hurt.

>>7858840
Our setup:

Hobbes in the Flipper, specifically tied to Hovis in the Bigro. Hobbes spots, Hovis shoots.

Jolyne in a Zaku Cannon equivalent. If necessary, given the RP's issues, put her in a Dom Cannon and stick a governor on it to give it about the same performance specs as the standard Zaku Cannon.

Zol in the F2 kitted out for close combat. Shield, heat hawks, 'nades. 90mm MG.

Ruubens and either us or Strauss in F2s kitted for midrange: Heat Hawk, 90mm MG, Panzerfaust, ample reloads.

>>7858856
I'd add a couple more Gattles. One for each MS, two watching after the MA, and a couple more (four or so) babysitting the cruiser.

>>7858856
-Hobbes in a Recon Suit (his R2 if we took it up into orbit? if not the Flipper he was testing)
-Us in a General Purpose F2
-Zolomon in a F2 loaded for close assaults

Okay, you take up this loadout and prepare for combat.

You set up in the Debris field that you were fighting in a couple of days ago. You finally get a good look at what you're up against.
Aside from 3 F2's configured for AS with Bazooka's and Panzerfausts, the multirole squad consists Shin in his R1A, another F2 and what appears to be Dozle in his own custom Zaku.

"Dang. That is one BIG heat hawk? You know where I can get me one of those?" Zolomon asks.

"Oh shut up, and get ready. Remember, we engage the MS first, supported by the Musai, with the Gattles acting as interference for enemy Ship fire and keeping the MS's contained. Hovis, your job is to engage the enemy ship and keep it from pressuring us."

"And after it's been dealt with?"

"Come back and support the anti-ms operation. Okay, are we clear? then let's go!"

>>7858840
>matching our MS contingent to theirs would help in proving the point about doctrine
You know what would really drive the point home? Winning the mock battle with an intentionally INFERIOR contingent of tools. It would prove the superiority of the tactics all around, mostly regardless of the original technology. Not sure how we'd wing it, but it's a thought.

They use F2s, we use original Zaku IIs.

>>7858899
It sounds about right. The Musai is the unit the Flipper will normally spot for, CQC Zaku and General Combat Zaku can finish the MS that the Gattles distract, all whilst keeping an eye on the range and firing arcs of the battleship. Once the MS are destroyed (and our mothership is safe), we join the MA and Gattles on the attack on the enemy cruiser.

>>7858983
AAAAAND nevermind, looks like apologized (Lister) had the same idea.

>>7858953
Take six Gattles in pairs. One pair stays back to cover the Musai, one pair gives our suits and MA some air cover, and one pair is a mobile reserve to reinforce either of those.

>>7858887

Reminds me of that time in Mexico? where we had to defend the city until reinforcements would arrive.
We teamed up with infantry there, I think, to close of access ways we couldn't guard with suits. And we had artillery prepped to strike on our signals. And a cluster of AA.

Perhaps form something like that? Just IN SPAAACE!

>>7858970
>Shin in his R1A, Dozle in his own custom Zaku.
FFFFFF. Should have seen this coming. We're going to need to take Shin out fast.

>>7858981
There's a difference in showcasing and showboating. Besides, the F2 are going to be Zeon's mainstays in space, and we don't want to cripple our chances too much.

>>7858981
Bigger thing is inferior numbers.

Part of the point of this is so that we have some chance against the Feddies later.

>>7859017
Stick to the plan. We kill the anti-ship MS first, then turn to deal with the multi-role MS.

And we and Zol operate as a pair. Both of us focus on one target, kill it, then move to the next.

>>7859025

>>7859120

And that target is Shin.

Then we move on to Dozle and wipe up the rest of the MSs?

As the battle begins, Calvin streaks ahead, relaying combat data back to you.

"It's like we thought, I'm seeing two squads of 6 mobile suits moving forwards unsupported. The Gattles are sticking close to Chivvay. I don't think it's got a bead on our cruiser yet. I'm relaying data back to the Musai so it can get the first shot's off."

"Roger that, Hovis, hang back until we've boxed in the Mobile Suits then surge ahead. Think you can handle that many Gattles as well as the ship, or do you want to take some fighters with you."

"I'll be fine. Keep the Gattles with you."

A minute passes as the two of you move forwards, supported by the fighters. Shortly you see the incoming Mobile Suits and prepare an ambush for them as they move through the debris zone.

The Gattles go in first and engage the enemy, they come off badly in the opening exchange, but they distract the enemy enough for you both to spring some excellent high speed ambushs. Between the two of you, you manage to take out the AS squad.

You see Hovis surge overhead at full speed, the simulated bright flashes of the Musai's particle cannons flaring above him, obscuring his prescence for a brief moment, and then the Bigro is gone.

>>7859173


... I hope that means gone as in going fast, rather than the gone as in "Its a GUNDAM BLARGHH..."

>>7859204

My fear exactly...

>>7859204
More like "It's a giant capitol ship with all its weapons locked!".

But yeah.

>>7859173
DYNASTY WARRIORS GUNDAM IS A-GO!

>>7859204
My heart stopped for a second, but it's not a real Beam shot. He probably jetted off.

>>7859173
Crap. Thought we had a 4th MS. Just the two of us vs the other 3 MS?

>>7859245
Pretty much.

One of the big differences between UC Gundam and, well, most of the other Gundam series is just how freaking powerful MA are. The bigger size impairs their maneuverability a bit, but it also means they've got more and more powerful weapons, more armor, and more thrust than you can possibly put on an MS-sized frame.

>>7859241
NOOOOOOO DON'T SAY THAT! DWG is merciless when there's an army of Zakutanks around! Also, we need to start advancing on the enemies, or the Bigro is going to get even more aggro than it already has.

>>7859248
Well since Hovis is going after the Chivvey, the Musai should hopefully be able to help us out if things get sticky. Gattles too.

>>7859248
We tag-team Shin first; he's the most dangerous by far.

>>7859300
Even more dangerous than Dozle?

>>7859300
Better idea: We tag-team all of them. At once.

>>7859311
Yes, simply because of how much better his suit is.

We don't want to risk him running rings around the Bigro, or speeding right by us and killing the Musai. Dozle's Zaku is, aside from the oversized heat hawk, about the same as any other F2.

>>7859248
It's 6 on 3, but Hobbes is a spotter, so it's really 6 on 2, with two aces on both sides.

WE NEED THOSE ANTI-SHIP ZAKU DESTROYED. Send the Gattle to attack them while we run interference on the aces and Gen-Com MS.

>>7859311

Where does one purchase a axe that big?

>>7859344
We already took out the anti-ship team though so it's 3 on 2.

>>7859354

From wikipedia

>Dozle is revered by his troops in the Space Attack Force for personally leading them in battle. He and his bodyguard and close friend Shin Matsunaga were known to stage frontline "inspections" in his custom MS-06F Zaku II mobile suit, which typically became impromptu raids on nearby Earth Federation forces.

Now I'm scared.

>>7859344
Anti-ship squad's already gone. It's pretty much us and Zol versus Shin, Dozle and the other guy, while Hovis takes down the Chivvay.

We should try drawing off enemies into isolated ambushes.

If they don't bite, then we can grind them down with hit and run attacks.

After taking out the AS squad, you now have to deal with the elite Multi-purpose squad. Luckily, Calvin has taken a good recon position, and is feeding sporadic combat information to you. Your down to a couple of depleted Dopp wings as Dozle and Shin slice and blast their way through them, but you've got a pretty good idea of their general position.
You manage to spring up on his squad and take out the F2 wingman, but Shin reacts pretty fast and sends a burst of 120mm fire your way and you attempt to dodge out the way, you take some hit's on your arm and your computer shut's it down, still holding your 90mm.
You pull out your hawk with the other hand and attempt to move in on him, but he keeps darting out of the way and then forcing you into cover with counter-fire.

You don't see how Zolomon is getting on with Dozle, you've both been seperated.

"...vis got the cruiser, and....the fighters... way back" comes Calvin's broken report.
You attempt to flank Shin again only to have him waiting for you. His 120mm takes out your left leg and you use your backpack thrusters to move up out of the debris field, tossing your hawk and pulling out your zook. You fire the weapon downwards at Shin you moves back into the debris field to avoid your fire. You keep him supressed for four well placed shots until you realise that you're out of ammo.

>>7859378
>It's pretty much us and Zol versus Shin, Dozle and the other guy
Why do I get this horrible, horrible feeling that the other guy is Strauss?

Also, we need some bloody backup! Where's Joleyne?

>>7859401
Shit. All we can do now is start dodging like a motherfucker until Hovis gets back.

>>7859401
THROW THE GUN

>>7859415
Doesn't matter who he is, he's out.

>>7859401
Well alright, now the Musai can concentrate on helping us since the Chivvey is down.

>>7856805
Stop spamming and harassing www. anon
talk
.com

>>7859401
Use the limiter release to get a burst of sudden speed and hit him with our heat hawk?

CRACKERS MOTHERFUCKER, DO WE HAVE THEM? I sure as hell hope so, because we need to rain those fuckers all over Shin's area.

>>7859401
Chuck the bazooka, pull out our hawk and charge.

We just need to keep Shin occupied until Hovis gets back.

>>7859464
Did we equip panzers or not? Those could be useful as well.

Grapple Shin into submission, use your thrusters to jetpack him straight into something.

>>7859401
Lol, cant reload with 1 arm.

You set course back to the Musai, you're each allowed one repair and reload from the Musai, which takes 5 minutes.
Behind you, you see Hovis move up with his Bigro to cover the debris field you occaisionally see him shoot into the field, presumably on data supplied by Calvin.

You make it to the hangar and are 3 minutes into your cooldown period when the test over siren blares.

Zolomon returns somewhat victorious.

"Hey, remember how we had our F2's fitted with head vulcans?"

Oh my, this seems like another awesome war story to be told over drinks tonight.

>>7859401
Estimate where the Bigro will return from, and guess where Dozle/Zolo are fighting. Escape/dodge our way to the Bigro's return arc, which will distract Shin, then have the fighters, Hovis, and us pursue Shin and chase him to where Zolo might be.

Grapple him. With a Panzerfaust in our remaining good hand.

>>7859515
What, did he get Shin too?!?

>>7859515
AND NEVER MIND ONCE MORE, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THE TEST IS OVER.

>>7859515
Somehow I am unsurprised that Zolomon has headvulcan'd the leader of the Space Attack Force to death.

>>7859515
I knew installing those would be a good idea. Never discount even the smallest amount of extra dakka you can get. 'S why I suggested it.

Head vulcans: never leave home without them.

>>7859558
Someone must draw this.

I bet this was his expression.

OVERALL BATTLE SUMMARY

Side A (Dozle Zabi)

Combatants
1x Chivvay Heavy Cruiser
3x F2 (AS Loadout)
MS-06F Dozle Zabi custom
MS-06R1-A (Shin Matsunaga)
1x F2 (Multirole)
15 Gattle Fighters

Survivors
1 MS-06R1-A Zaku II (Shin Matsunaga)
3 Gattle Fighters

Side B
1x Musai class Cruiser
15 Gattle Fighters
1x Bygro
1x Flapper Zaku
2x F2 Zaku's (You and Zolomon)

Survivors
1x Musai class Cruiser
0 Gattle Fighters
1x Bygro
1x Flapper Zaku
2x F2 Zaku's (You and Zolomon)

CONCLUSION: Stunning victory!

>>7859590
>Survivors
1 MS-06R1-A Zaku II (Shin Matsunaga)
3 Gattle Fighters

Oh god Zolomon beat Dozle?

AWESOME

>>7859590
Damn straight it's a stunning victory!

>>7859590
HAHA OH WOW

WE ONLY LOST THE FIGHTERS! AWESOME!

>>7859590
HOLY SHIT. No matter how you look at it, that is an amazing performance.

I just hope that the oversight committee don't think that our MA was excessive usage of resources.

>>7859590
My god, we took out everything but Dozle, Shin and that F2 with only a Bygro, a Flapper Zaku and Gattle Fighters.

We are awesome.

>>7859621

Well, we did do the whole thing with MAs being of some use ya?

>>7859621
ONCE WE MASS PRODUCE THE BYGRO, THE FEDERATION WILL BE FINISHED!

FUCK YEAH WE HUMBLED DOZLE ZABI AND COULD POSSIBLE CHANGE ZEON TACTICS THUS HELPING OUR CHANCES FOR VICTORY!

>>7859610
Well now hold on. If the fighters represented tanks, then that is something that we should still try to work on. I know that hoping for zero casualties is unrealistic, but I dislike the idea of thinking of tanks as mere fodder to send against the enemy. I mean, the feddies are already doing that, and look where it's getting them.

>>7859590
So I take it he'll take our book and the tactics explained therein seriously?

>>7859590
>CONCLUSION: Stunning victory!
That's nice but the point was to prove our essay correct. Did it do that?

>>7859624
No, we got Dozle too. You can thank Zolo's head Vulcans for that.

P2 Acievement unlocked: Use Your Head! 25G

>>7859610
>only lost ALL OF THE FIGHTERS

>Fighter pilots :V

OH SHIT, ARE WE ALL GOING TO GET PROMOTIONS?

>>7859651
To be fair to the fighter pilots, this WAS an Aces v. Aces battle too.

After the match, Dozle is magnanimous in defeat, if not highly impressed. Your use of the Gattles to pin the enemy and then take them out with Mobile suit assets impressed him, as did the MA and Ship assets working in tandem in an anti AS role.

Looking at the combat footage, it seems that the battle between Dozle and Zolomon quickly degenerated into an epic close combat affair, with both sides "losing" legs and arms in quick measure. Although in the end it looks like Zolomon was able to momentarily take the blow of Dozles heavy Heat Hawk allowing him to hold the suit close and spray Dozle's suit with vulcan fire at point blank until he was was out of ammo.

Shin Matsunaga survived largely unharmed, but was still supressed by you and Hovis enough to prevent him from reuniting with Dozle.

You are also quick to point out the effectiveness of a recon unit, even one that can only maintain a spotty laser communications link in combat.

Dozle seems highly impressed with the effectiveness of your mixed unit tactical doctrine, and the combat data recordings will probably be making their way up the chain of command shortly.

DAY COMPLETED.

>>7859674
Yeah, since it kinda degenerated into Ace v Ace Combat, so maybe it wasn't the end-all demonstration we were hoping for, but still.

Well, looks like we might want to consider some way of improving the Gattle. If we've captured any Feddie Saberfish to reverse-engineer, maybe we could use those as a model on which to build a better fighter.

Otherwise, I'd call this a resounding success.

Being a Gattle pilot gotta suck. They are either awesome grizzled veterans or all stupid fuckers that can't be trusted with anything bigger.

One thing we must do; make certain that Dozle doesn't attribute the victory to the Bygro. It played a part, but it wasn't a wonderweapon that turned the tide.

I *don't* want Dozle to die. I hated that scene.

>>7859707

I think we're due for an achievement unlocked. :3

>>7859714
Even then, it still worked. Aces keep other aces pinned, while the grunts can get on with actually winning the battle.

>>7859707
So, shall we go for a celebratory drink with everyone? And just who was the wingman pilot?

>>7859715
Yeah, if there's one thing Zeon is not known for, it's decent aerospace designs. Part of what comes from living in space colonies.

>>7859707
I DEFEATED AN ENEMY OFFICER!

But seriously, beating a standard complement of Zeon forces so smartly, led by two aces (one mid, one high), AND personally defeating a member of the Zabi family is going to raise eyebrows. GREAT SUCCESS.

Must buy celebratory round. Lets give orders for us to drink lightly, we still got the newtype test tomorrow.

>>7859738
The real wonderweapon was the tactics.

Make sure that is as clear as possible.

...ONCE WE MASS PRODUCE THE TACTICS, THE FEDERATION WILL BE FINISHED!

>>7859760
Precisely. On the other hand, if we haven't learned any lessons about it from the past eight months of war, and haven't gotten any examples of Feddie tech to use for ourselves, then somebody at Fighter R&D needs to be put up against a wall and shot.

>>7859793

>>7859793
Thinking about it, it's a lot like the history of every real advance in military tech; once the initial shock value and tech superiority wear off, proper combined arms tactics will win the day every time against anything other than amazing luck or insurmountable numerical superiority. And even against those two, they'll still last longer and bleed the enemy more.

List of THINGS TO DO:
[ ] Stop being awesome.
[x] Get to space.
[x] Contact Flannagan Institute.
[ ] Unlock NT powers.
[ ] Meet Kycilia(sp) "Hotness" Zabi.
[ ] Incite romantic feelings in Elaine.
[ ] HAREM END
[ ] Get Jolyne with Zoloman.
[ ] Show that A00ro kid what-for.
[ ] Help Garma, Ramba Ral survive G000am.
[x] Get our essays out to interested parties (in progress)

>>7859715
>>7859724
What was the name of that mobile armor used by the Delaz fleet that was built our of the upper body of a Zaku?

That night, whilst drinking in the officers mess, Shin asks what you would have taken instead of the Bygro.

"Either a second Musai or another squad of mobile suits I guess. But the point of the test was to show how all of these elements can and should work together as a cohesive whole, that includes Captital ships, fighter, Mobile Suits AND Mobile Armours."

"Well, I guess you sure did that."

When you return to your quarters there are no new emails, other than a stern letter from the on base doctor telling you that Hovis is NOT to be piloting for the next five days AT LEAST after today.

You turn in, since tommorow is going to be another hard day.

>>7859849
The MS-21C Dra-C. That was more of a desperation measure then anything else.

>>7859793
Of course, this is likely to piss Gihren off, given his personal obsession with Wunderwaffen.

But splitting the rest of the Zabis away from Gihren is on the whole a very good thing.

>>7859846
Almost forgot several things:
[ ] Sign up for donor registry once NT powers awaken.
[ ] Help Bernard Wiseman along.
[ ] STEAL G000AM ALEX.
[ ] Tell Gato to be in a better OVA.

>>7859854
Us, Zol and Jolyne to fight the Newtype, I think.

Zol to pressure at close range, Jolyne to box in from long range, and us to kill from medium range.

>>7859880

If we can keep the war from going tits up, Gihren will never get the postion to influence military weapons and tactics. So long as Dozle, Garma and, to a lesser extent, Kycillia are alive he can't affect things as much.

>>7859880

indeed. fuck him. also, epic battle

also, so late to this party ><

>>7859928
Kycilia and Dozle aren't gonna be in any real danger for a while, stuck up in Granada and Solomon respectively. It's Garma we have to keep an eye on still, especially given his close relationship with Char.

>>7859952

Indeed. Hopefully he will remember the training we gave him.

Hopefully.

NEXT DAY

You have two new emails. One is a reminder that you have scheduled the newtype test today from Dr Rannistel.

The other is another request for a Test Pilot from Zeonic. Something about a new series of weaponry for the Zaku series.

WHO WILL BE DOING THE NEWTYPE TEST AND IN WHAT, WITH WHAT?

>>7859908
Not Jol. Ruubens. We need her to unlock her full hotblood powers ASAP.

What's the MS test? It will influence which pilot we use.

For the newtype test: David, Zolomon, and Elaine.

>>7859972
David, Zolomen and Elaine. In whatever usually works.

>>7859988

The MS in question will be a standard F2. What's new will be several new weapons.

>>7859972
If it's weapons, I suggest we send Jo to take care of it, while the rest of us go to get our asses handed to us by a Newtype.

>>7859972
>Something about a new series of weaponry for the Zaku series.
Details?

Us, Zolomon and Ruubens for the newtype battle. Jolyne or Calvin to test the other MS.

A proper MS carrier would be nice, though.

Preferably not an abomination like the Dolos.

Figure that a good carrier would be able to hold eight MS (two four-man squads) and an MA-Recon MS team, plus a complement of fighters and fighter-bombers (let's say 20 of those). The plane hangar and catapults would be separate from the MS hangar and catapults, to allow the carrier to launch its complement faster; let's say it has two plane and four MS catapults, assuming that MS catapults take longer to reset.

No heavy weapons mounted on the carrier itself, just a metric fuckton of point-defense and armor. Blowing things up with the guns is what purpose-built cruisers and battleships are for.

>>7859982
Hmm... Well, she is good as support, just not as good as Jolyne. But then again JOLYNE'S SOUL IS WEIGHED DOWN BY THE GRAVITY OF THE EARTH, and this is a NT test event, so we might as well bring the three who are most likely to have NT powers.

That said, any ideas for MS?

Jol tests the new stuff.

Newtype test:

David and Elaine in the new Doms.
Zolomon in his fucking gouf! Or if that's not here, the last Dom.

>>7860047
SEND THIS TO SOMEONE WHO CAN BUILD IT!

>>7859972
Details on the weapons.

And I still say that it should be Dave, Jo and Zol against the Newtype, so that we can credibly threaten from all ranges at once.

>>7860059

I was under the impression that the Dom was an earth-only suit, until the Rick-Dom is developed.

If so, I suggest borrowing high mobility Zakus from the base. We'll need the speed.

>>7860013
>>7860029
>>7860036
Agreed. Jolyne can test the new weapons.

>>7860036
Okay, so you, Zolomon and Ruubens in the NT test.

Jolyne testing out the new Zaku weapons.

What will you all be piloting?

>>7860071
I doubt Jo would be able to get much of a bead on this guy regardless. Newtypes have a way of screwing up whatever plan is used against them simply by doing something impossible. Ruubens may not be as skilled, but she's an incredibly fast learner.

>>7860071

i second this. it will show if the system has a weekness at any pertculer range, and will be, to a certen extent, more true to combat conditions then all up close.

>>7860106
Is this in space again, or in the Washer? If it's in space, ask to borrow the R-3, and stick Ruubens or Zol in the RP, while the other takes an F2.

We'll need the advantages.

>>7860055
I say the standard loadout we've had since ever.
Zolomon gets his Gouf Custom.
Elaine takes an F2.
We take El Muerto Grande. It seems kinda fitting that we would awaken inside our first real mobile suit.

>>7860136
Agreed.

Give our team a pep talk before we go out, get them believing in us who believes in them.

>>7860106
I take we can't jury-RICK our DOMS so they can go in space, so how about high mobility Zakus? As for loadout... Twin hawks for Zoloman, and Gouf Heat Saber for Dave.

Other people can figure out the projectile loadout and Elaine's backup, I'm too lazy.

>>7860047
Getting a brainwave here. A modified Zanzibar could work like this.
And also: is the minovski craft demonstrator from the Mk1 Apsalus still around? We could slap one of those into the underside of it.

>>7860047
Thinking about it some more, maybe increase the size just a bit. 12 MS capacity, so that you can rotate suits in and out of battle as they get damaged or simply to give pilots a chance to rest. Similarly increase the plane hangar a bit, to give the aerospaceplane pilots the same opportunity.

Include a decent machine shop/repair bay aboard, of course.

Also include a spray of commo drones that can be launched to provide laser comms between the ship and its MS/MA/aerospaceplane contingent.

>>7860135
>Is this in space again, or in the Washer? If it's in space, ask to borrow the R-3, and stick Ruubens or Zol in the RP, while the other takes an F2.

In space.

You ask for the R-3, but it's not available, El-Meurto Grande it is as always, available.
Ruubens takes the RP just fine, and Zolomon packs his F2 with a pair of heat hawks. Just as god intended.

Sounds good?

>>7860208
Bring it!

SOUNDS GOOD

DO IT TO IT

>Zolomon packs his F2 with a pair of heat hawks. Just as god intended.

>>7860168
This, especially Elaine. She needs to understand that, as a Nachtmaren, she's as good as any of the rest on the squad. We've all been able to go beyond what we thought was possible, survived highly unfavorable odds, and generally wreaked havoc across the globe. She's a Nachtmaren, and she can do anything she believes she can.

>>7860178
Didn't think of the Minovsky craft demonstrator, but that would be excellent.

And would make this ship a proper answer to the Pegasus class, albeit trading the Pegasus' heavy firepower for additional usefulness as a carrier. Which is in lines with combined arms, of course.

>>7860208
As good as it gets. Stick some panzerfausts on if we can spare the room.

I'm guessing we're facing Challia Bull in a MS-06Z, but god help us if we end up against Lalah in some kind of proto-Elmeth.

>>7860106
Yup. I think all of us in F2s would be good, since this isn't about the suits per-say but about Newtypes. Also, pre-battle speech

"Alright, we're here to te4st the abilities of what the Flannigan Institute calls 'Newtypes". From what they've told me, that means someone with ESP. Watch out for the unexpected, but keep in mind that we've got experience and skill. Zol, you can do insane things with a Heat Hawk, and you and I are good enough that the targeting computer holds us back Elain. So just keep your cool, we can do this.

Oh, and make sure to give the guy a chance; we're here to get useful data, not just pound the guy into the ground."

>>7860246
>>7860168
Sounds a little meta, if you ask me.
This IS just a test, after all.

>>7860257
Good luck getting the Apsalus prototype from Ghinias though. He's probably madly bitter about his poor project being axed, and anything less then Dozle himself coming down and slapping his Space AIDS ridden ass around probably won't get it from him.

>>7860208
Well, if we can get one of these...

Musais can hold 5 MS right?

If so, how about a 3 ship squadron as standard. With 1 Musai holding 4 F2s and 1 Flipper, 1 Musai with 2 Rick Doms, and 1 with the MA.

I think this a good combined arms approach, good mix of heavy MS and MA with the flexible Zakus and the Flipper for spotting.

>>7860267
>
"Alright, we're here to te4st the abilities of what the Flannigan Institute calls 'Newtypes". From what they've told me, that means someone with ESP. Watch out for the unexpected, but keep in mind that we've got experience and skill. Zol, you can do insane things with a Heat Hawk, and you and I are good enough that the targeting computer holds us back Elaine. So just keep your cool, we can do this.

Let's make this speech!

>>7860280
WE'RE ABOUT TO FIGHT AN HONEST TO GOD SPACE-PSYCHIC. WE CAN GIVE AS MANY PEPTALKS AS WE NEED, THANK YOU.

>>7860178
Do you have any other thoughts on the carrier design?

You arrive at the hangar and are introduced to the MS and Newtype who will be mauling you today.

Dang, you didn't think the pilot would be this young. Dr Rannistel is with her and seems to do all of her talking for her.
He introduces her as Nell Dysand, and thanks you again for agreeing to this test.
She just stares blankly and says nothing.

"Is she all there?" Zolomon asks.

"Oh she's just shy. She'll talk when she want's to."

Nell just looks at the three of you for second.

"Oh. She's not here then." is all she says before leaving to her mobile suit.

Well, that was illuminating.

>>7860293

Can also take it as a proof of concept for our book....

>>7860280
Maybe a little, but this isn't just some normal test, we're going up against what could be the next step in human evolution. It seems a bit daunting to me.

>>7860298
3 in the main hanger, and two in the Komusai. We can't always assume a Musai will always have a Komusai, and suits like the Dom series are big enough that they take up even more space. A Dom and a Zaku would be a tight fit in a Musai hanger.

>>7860338
Say
'Looking for Jolyne?"

>>7860327
WELL, EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME, PRINCESS.

>Let's make this speech!

And make Elaine feel like she's the fifth wheel on our wagon? Thank you, but NO thank you.

>>7860293
I think Garma is doing just that. Also, Ginias did get reassigned to another MA project, albeit under much closer supervision. So with any luck we've got the Apsalus I and Apsalus II to take apart for the handful of useful bits.

>>7860298
In the interim, yes. Having a purpose-built carrier would serve us better in the long run, though, given that the Musais weren't designed with MS in mind.

>>7860338
Ah, so she read Zol's mind. I do so HATE the "young girl with MASSIVE psychic powers" stereotype. Let's crush her.

>>7860338
Oh geez. It's always the spacy ones that turn out to be monsters.

Exchange worried looks with Zol and Ruubens.

Dr Rannistel introduces the new mobile suit as being the MS-06Z, which whilst technically called the "Psychommu Test Type Zaku" is actually closer to a brand new design.

He goes on to tell you that a psychommu allows a newtype to control remote weapons at range, a tactical ability thought lost with the advent of minovsky particles.
Oh joy, as if being a newtype wasn't enough of an advantage.

>>7860338
I suppose the "she" in question might be Jolyne.

Or Kycilia. Or Lalah. Or Artesia Sum Dei- excuse me, I meant "Sayla Mass".

>>7860403
Shiiiiiiit. It is the Proto-Zeong after all.
Get ready for BEAM HANDS EVERYWHERE.

>>7860338

my money say this is a cyber new type

and therefor as ethical as anything else the insitue pulls

god damm them.

I think the Musai can hold 2 Rick Doms, so one of the Musais in the 3 ship squadron will hold them.

As to the Komusai issue, maybe we can shove the other 2 F2s in the Musai carrying the MA, depending on how much room that takes up.

>>7860445
Um, and how ethical is that exactly, for those of us who are Gundam-illiterate?

>>7860298
A bit late there

>>7860445
I thought the CNT were only invented during the Zeta or ZZ-era. Regardless, she's creeping me out. Why would they send a kid like her in a Mobile Suit?

>>7860445
You're confusing them with the Murasame institute. Flanagan's experiments with artificial newtypes were all dismal failures and didn't even begin until the very end of the war.

>>7860355
Another good reason to get a new ship design out, one that can actually hold our new-model MS.

And I suppose that we might want to consider the Xamel as a goal to work towards for the artillery support role; it has to be at least a bit cheaper than an MA, can do most of the same role, and would be a bit easier to fit into an MS carrier than a full MA would.

>>7860379

Maybe something like the Alexandria class? That seemed to be a decent carrier. Maybe they could remove some of the beam turrets and expand the carrying capacity, so as to make it more of a purpose-built carrier than a cruiser/carrier hybrid.

>>7860465
They force children into heavy Minovsky-particle rich training locales, drug them, hypnotize them, and basically give them a harsher version of boot camp, until they become soldiers with NT abilities that let them invade the minds of NTs.

Apologized, we're well into autosage. We might want to move to a new thread.

>>7860465

not pertcuerly. cyber newtypes seem to suffer from a lose of idenity and mental imblance, as i recall. ive no idea what the proses is like, but the results, whilst powerful, are also distasteful.

>>7860478

mabby, but i always thought those kids at the end of 8th ms team were cyber new types. i mean, they need to be given names, witch lines up with amnisa, and there important to zeon, so...

>>7860465
After the war, scientists figured out how to augment regular humans into artificial newtypes, since it was never discovered when and how newtypes manifest.

However the process invariably resulted in severe emotional instability at the least, test subjects more often ending up with disabilities like varying degrees of psychosis and hysteria. The Titan's Murasame Institute specialized in this, as did certain branches of Neo-Zeon.

>>7860524
yeah, new thread time?

>>7860520
Well fuck that shit.

>>7860556
>>7860548

please see >>7860568

>>7860516
The Alexandria was an amazing design for its time, but is a bit beyond what we can work with given 0079-level tech. Our best bet is probably still a modified Zanzibar.

in anycase, even if shes not a cyber new type, shes been messed with by the insitute, thats for sure. im getting bad vibes off it all.

>>7860520

Thats sort of similar to what happened to Lister when he was in that 120% density zone...

>>7860599
Minus drugs and hypnosis.

>>7860556
Well, let's hope that we don't have that issue, given the major role that the Loki emitter explosion probably played in our Newtype-ness.

And now that I think about it, why don't we mention the combination of Murasame's paper and the 120% Minovsky density before the Loki blew to the Flanagan guys? If they can find out who was close enough to the blast to be in the supersaturated Minovsky environment, they have somewhere to look for Newtypes.

>>7860599
A bit.

I know little enough about gundam lore, but would this mean we can potentially serve as an anti-newtype sort of position, should that be what we are? Hmm...

>>7860587

Maybe a stretch goal. We've been able to get some designs out faster so far, and they did have an Alexandria around 0083-0084. Maybe we can develop some kind of proto-Alexandria?

If not, the modified Zanzibar plan sounds good and works with what we have to save on resources wasted on developing new designs when we can modify something we already have.

Combat takes place in another one Pezun's many debris fields.

You set up on opposite sides of the fields and as the green light goes up and the siren blares you bark out orders to the rest of your team.

"Stay in the debris field, try to restrict visual contacts. Ruubens, you and me will try to get her attention. Zolomon whilst we destract her, you attack her at close range, that suit doesn't look like his any real close combat ability, use that to your advantage."

The three of you dart forwards trying to close the gap, after less than 30 seconds you see the glint of moving metal and you give the order to dodge. You all avoid the first shot, but the attacks from the second arm take out Zolomon in a single blow.

"Damn boss that things got beam weapons!" Ruubens howls as she dodges a blast before sending the arms scurrying away with return fire.

"Just keep pushing forwards and dodging! If you see the arm, try to take it out with your guns!"

It looks like the Beam arms only have enough charge to fire twice in quick succession. You are currently heading forwards towards the MS-06Z.

WELL FUCK, ZOLOMON'S OUT

"THIS BITCH AINT, SHIT. WE GONNA WIPE THE FLOOR WITH HER HAIR AND SHIT!"

>>7860644
"COME ON RUUBENS, WE CAN DO THIS, I TRUST YOU."

>>7860644
Don't bother with the drones. Take out the source; she must be almost defenseless while the arm-beams are out.

>>7860644
Limiter Release. Now.

Charge forward at top speed.

And try to do some sort of Zen thing; focus on the image of our Heat Hawk going straight through the enemy suit, to the exclusion of all else.

>>7860644
Try to fake her out with our thoughts, in case she can read minds

>>7860694
>>7860687
Do it. We need to blitz her so hard and so fast that she panics, and the psycommu gets confused, hopefully. Encourage Ruubens to do the same.

You both dodge another pair of twin blasts that are tring to bracket you.

"Shit! I don't think I can...damn!" Ruubens says as she fires back at the Psychommu bits, only to take the second beam salvo dead on.

On the plus side, you're pretty sure you saw her tag one of the arms to shut it down.
You spot the second arm as it attempts to retreat away from it and you persue it forwards, harrassing it with your head vulcans.

>>7860727
Tell her to follow your example, the beams are easy to dodge if you just go with the flow!

>>7860727
>"Shit! I don't think I can...damn!"
"Don't talk like that! We can beat her!"

Then take that newtype down.

>>7860752
>>7860768
I'm fairly certain Elaine is KOed, too.

>>7860639
I suppose the issue is whether or not the Zanzibar-class can be refitted into what we need.

The big things I can think of are enough capacity for both suits and aerospaceplanes, launch catapults, a Minovsky craft system to increase its mobility and let it return to space independently, and the commo gear.

WELL DAMN, WE'RE ON OUR OWN NOW

TIME FOR OUR NEWTYPE POWERS TO AWAKEN, MOTHERFUCKER

>>7860727
I reiterate >>7860694.

>>7860727
Ah, just a quick question, can we at all ask Shinn/Doyle about their superior heat hawks? They probably have multiple, seeing as they need parts for maintenance and all that. And I think they perform better than the heat rods doms have anyway. Plus, put one of each in Zolomon's hands....

>>7860803
I doubt it. The Zanzibar didn't even have catapults until the 0083 refit, and those were puny little outriggers bolted on the sides. If anything, we need to sacrifice carrying capacity to add stuff, since its ventral bay does have the space to hold and service something the size of a Bigro.

>>7860803

Exactly. Then maybe throw it in carrier group with another one and a few escorting Musais and you have a pretty powerful force.

>>7860839
I would REALLY like to see Zolomon with giant axes, ESPECIALLY considering the spiked one is more getter-esque.

>>7860842

Even just strapping catapults on them as an interim solution until something better comes along would work.

I think our goal needs to be more along the lines of what works now, versus what would be awesome later.

You flick off the limiters on your mobile suit, it surges forwards, hard to control but highly responsive and fast.
You're putting real pressure on the arm now, and are able to quicker and more easily dodge it's sporadic return fire. Your guns craze the area around it, but it manages to jink out of the way all of the time, whilst paint splashes around it.

Like a power cord from a vacuum cleaner rewinding the arm spools back into the Psychommu Zaku and then starts blasting at you on full auto.
Damn, it seems like when connected it has a better energy flow for it's beam weapons. You dart through the debris field, her shots always a fraction behind you, despite being behind debris for half of the time.
She nimbly dodges your own return fire and persues you as you attempt to find a better firing postion.

You dodge another blast and the arm shuts down momentarily, simulated overheat most likely. You press your advantage and dash forwards, firing from a freshly reloaded clip. She dodge and her arm comes back on, you meanwhile start counting her blasts.
In the close quarters, your right arm goes down, but you manage to keep your gun arm and your legs, you tag on leg of hers and the duel continues in close range.

>>7860871

We do the unexpected.

ZAKU HEADBUTT

>>7860871
If she's close enough for a laser-comm, ask her- and I apologize for this in advance - just who the hell she thinks we are.

Other than that, remember the fight yesterday: if we're locked in, then we can fire the head vulcans point-blank at her.

>>7860871
Combine >>7860907 and >>7860910 to do a ZAKU VULCAN HEADBUTT

>>7860871

In between keeping yourself moving and firing back, for a second you almost lose count of the number of shots, and for a second you see yourself in a psychadelic landscape, your opponent nothing but a white human sillouette a flowing green aura flowing behind her, and then you're back in your suit, counting shots.

You pull in close, one last bullet left in your rifle, Nell brings her arm over directly on your head, and is probably suprised when her arm refuses to fire due to overheating.

You pop a cap in her cockpit.

The siren blares. Test over.

>>7860924

>>7860930

FFFFF

YESSSSS

>>7860930
OH

YEAH

>>7860930
Gentlemen, we just had our first Newtype Flash. Congratulations.

EL MEURTO RIDES AGAIN

>>7860930
See, I knew we could do it.

>>7860930
>psychadelic landscape

FUCK YES NEWTYPE MENTAL LANDSCAPE!

Excellent.

>>7860930

nacked newtype time

i wonder if she'll appare more...

>>7860842
>>7860847
>>7860867
In that case...

Standard group is a Zanzibar and two Musais. The Musais carry the aerospaceplane contingent, the Zanzibar carries the MS contingent.

I think, however, that we could actually get the proper carrier built if we can take the resources and R&D time wasted on the Dolos-class in canon and get something more appropriate built. Given that the Feddies only have four or five Pegasus-class ships by the end of the war (at most), having our own brace of true dedicated carriers would be useful.

Fuck yeah

>>7860930
On the one hand, NAKED PSYCHEDELIC MINDSCAPE TIME IS GO WOO!

On the other hand, NEVER, EVER DO THIS IF THERE'S A RISK OF ZOL GETTING CAUGHT IN IT.

OH FUCK YES

TELL THE RESEARCHERS YOU HAD THE WEIRD PSYCHEDELIC THING

ALSO ABOUT THE 120% M PARTICLE EXPLOSION THING, AND THE PAPERS ON M. PARTICLES FROM THE FEDDIE BASE

>>7860980
Agreed. The Dolos was a colossal waste of time and money, like the Apsalus. Time and money that would be much better spent on improving the Zanzibar design.

>>7860980

I like that a lot. 1 Zanzibar and 2 Musais as the interim group, scrap the Dolos or at least limit its development and production as much as possible, and design and build our own carrier.

>>7860999
Agreed.

Naked Zol is something that we should never, ever see.

SO LET'S LOOK AT THE SITUATION HERE

WE'RE SKILLED AS FUCK, EXPERIENCED AS ALL HELL, AND NOW WE'RE AN AWAKENED NEWTYPE.

FUCK THE FEDS!

>>7861046
David Lister, he is a CHAR

>>7861082
Char's a pussy

>>7861006
Unless the UC era experts shoot this down, I am all for telling them about this, might increase the chances we get to pilot a suit designed for newtypes.

>>7861006
THIS! Deffinitely this!

You return to Pezun to another round of applause. Frankly you're just tired, dogfighting at those speeds for that duration is exhausting.

"Daaayum boss!" Is all Zolomon says.

"Oh come on, we've seen you do similar." You claim.

"We have you know, remember Roswell?" Strauss supplies.

"Still though: Daaayum." Zolomon re-affirms.

"Well, I don't think I would have been able to do it if it still had both of it's arms. Good shooting Ruubens."

"Ah, thank you sir. I still would have liked to have survived though."

"Don't complain girl, you still did better than I did!" Zolomon reminds her.

Nell on the other hand has to be taken out of the Zaku by a couple of orderlies. She's rocking back and forth mumbling something about the Kinght of Skulls.

DAY COMPLETE

>>7861011
>>7861015
So, for what we want in our Zanzibar-refit or Zanzibar-successor carrier design:

Minovsky Craft system (can be salvaged from Apsalus project, refined and put into production).

Proper MS capacity. Two hangars, two catapults, eight MS; the MS would be two three-man squads of either Doms or Gelgoogs, a Zaku Flipper (redesigned to improve survivability) and a Xamel.

Aerospacecraft capacity. 12 fighters in four 3-plane squads, 8 fighter-bombers in two 4-plane wings. One hangar, two catapults.

Point defense, and lots of it. No heavy guns or missiles, just anti-plane, anti-missile and anti-MS systems.

Lasercomm drones, feeding between the ship and its complement, along with between the individual MS and planes.

>>7861099
This also has the chance of us getting yanked away from our unit and sent to Flanagan for testing. Better to play this close to the chest for now until we're sure.

>>7861129
KNIGHT OF SKULLS.

THIS IS PERFECT.

>>7861129
Wait. We're the Skull Knight?

Holy fuck, that's amazing!

>>7861129

... can we take that nickname now? I mean I love el Muerto Grande, but that. That name. Awesome.

Anyone know what page we've autosage'd down to?

>>7861089
>>7861082
We should probably meet Char at some point. The institute people do know by this time he's deffinitely a newtype right?

>>7861135
Doubtful. There is no way they would break up a miracle squad like ours. Even if they wanted to, Garma would stop it.

>>7861129
>Knight of Skulls
>El Muerto Grande
Coincidence?

>>7861129
...I think we broke her.

Well, lets ask Jol about her. Speaking of whom, who's those tests going?

>>7861131
I could draw up a resonable redesign if I had front, side and top profile pics of the Zanzibar. Unfortunately all I can find are the same two pics from the POV of the Port quarter.

Knight of Skulls!

Fuck yeah!

>>7861179
I think not!

I smell a conspiracy, old boy! We'll get to the bottom of this one, don't you worry!

>>7861194

Here is a top shot, if it helps.

SOMEONE ARCHIVE THIS ALREADY

>>7861157

thanks god for patronage

>>7861194
>>7861216
A somewhat rarer profile shot as well. Dunno if there's a front though.

>>7861194
You might also want to look at the Tivvay-class design.

And Apologized, archive and new thread time? We've got nearly 400 posts here.

>>7861216
Example.

>>7861216
>>7861232
http://www.green.dti.ne.jp/ykhm_pusou_by_quelle/other%20zanzibar.htm

Model gallery. Shots of all angles, including the attached solid-fuel rocket boosters.

Donor registry tiem!

>>7861129
>>7861146
Is this a reference to something? Because if it is, I'm not getting it.

Yeah, we're literally on page 9.

>>7861232
>>7861256
This is perfect.

>>7861255
That's actually really useful, because apparently that model of Musai was being produced in late 0079. Not many of them, though, because in canon the war was already going badly when they came out, and it was cheaper and easier to try to refit the original Musais in a less powerful configuration instead.

Here, though, the Late Production Musai would make a great escort for our new carrier model.

The next day dawns, you're still tired from yesterday, but you get up and pack your bag. It's time to leave Pezun.

As you make your way to the hangars, you are met Dozle, accompanied by Shin.
He salutes you out of respect.
"This has been a most interesting week for us all Lieutenant. I wish you well for the future, and even though you are no longer his honour guard - do try to keep brother Garma safe."

"I'll do my best, but honestly, with a bit more experience, it'll be him who's going to come to OUR rescue." you politely point out.

Dozle laughs at this: "Ha! I hope so to my friend! Now, to the hangar! Brother asked me to supply you with a ship, and a ship I have supplied you with!"

You are led to the observation deck. Outside you see a Zanzibar class cruiser, a bulbous pod atop it's dorsal spine.

"David Lister, meet the first and only of the Zanzibar Kai class vessels! The Outer Heaven!"

"Outer Heaven!?" you ask.
A tech guy steps in to supply the specs.
"It's a standard Zanzibar, except if features two additions, a second bay on the top that can house a single space type or ground type Mobile Armour, as well as fan jet thrusters based around Zimmads Dom that allow it to maintain gravity operations near indefinately, instead of relying on brute force thrust."

"Come, I'm sure the crew aboard will tell you all aboard! Come, come! I think you'll find a familiar face aboard..."

You salute Dozle, who dismisses you and you make your way to the ship docks.

>>7861277
Berserk. Guts mentor who teaches him to kill the demons is the Skull Knight.

He is a supreme badass, surpassed only bu Guts himself.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/7856806/

Archived (just in time apparently).

>>7861309

I THINK HE LIKES US! :3

>>7861309

Nice!

>>7861309
>Outer Heaven

I'm not sure whether to be proud or worried.

>>7861309
This is perfect ship for us!! I'm guessing the fanjets have replaced the Torpedo launchers?

My god, this has reached over 400 replies.

And I'm betting its Nell.

>>7861348
I'm betting it's the Captain of the Prancer from Mastodon Batallion.

>>7861354
I'm betting its a clone of David Lister.

>>7861359
I'm going to bet that its Kryten. Or possibly Kat.

>>7861309
Awesome.

I'm going to guess it's

>link to new thread

>>7861392
I'm guessing its
>to be continued

a place where soldiers are apprisated

i think we should be given a new tital fitting of command over outer heaven...

As you step along the corridor, Wolfgang Strauss meets you next on this long series of goodbyes.

He shakes your hand.

"It's been great to see you again David."

"You too sir."

"Enough of that David, we're both the same rank these days after all. Anyway, if we get anything interesting I'll see about sending it your way."

"Well, I'd hope you'd do that anyway..."

You both share a good laugh at that.

"Anyway, we need to meet again someday. So keep yourself alive okay?"

"You too Strauss. You too."

You share ANOTHER manly salute and continue to to ship. As you finally step aboard you see your mobile suits being loaded up.
Inside you are greeted by a somewhat familiar Aide
"Welcome to the Outer Heaven Lieutenant Lister, it's great to see you again."

Oh shit, where did you see this guy?

"Well, I'll take you up to the captain, he want's to greet you personally."

You rack your brains trying to place this guy. Was it on the Roter Mond? Was it California? Where was it?

He takes you up to the bridge and the Captain turns around on his chair to greet you.
Oh, that's who the aide was, that crazy former stunt-driver turned pilot - For Captain Dirk Fontaine, the man in front of you right now.

"Welcome back Lieutenant David Lister. Let's go home."

TO BE CONTINUED.