also landmarks and places of interest

>>7770300
Woohoo! thank you!

Oh hey! More threads! Had to run to work halfway through the first.
What's up with sergals again?

Also, please use this map freely, to add cities, more places of interest, anything!

So space fairies? Did anyone flesh them out did we just leave them at fey on the moon?

>>7770330

There were some argument about whether or not there should actually be anything on the moon.

>>7770366
Well the orcs have to meet someone once they get there. I was thinking they're just utterly fucking alien like old school fey with a bit of elder oogly boogly thrown in. There power are also linked to astronomical phenomenon for example waning and waxing of the moon, eclipses and so forth.

Right, the goblins:
The goblins are on good terms with the halflings, since they can go to the surface there to trade with them since the air is so moist.
They sometimes get along, sometimes not with the gnolls and the elves. Different groups either trade with or raid them.
The Gnolls are more interested in trading with the goblins and putting up with them out of the two, since they are very heavy into trade and commerce. However, because they live on large ocean vessals, they make a delicious target for goblin strike raids, using the vent pressure systems to appear form no where, strike, then disappear just as fast.
The elves are more negative toward the goblins, since they rever the sea and see the goblins as a bit of a stain upon it. The goblins raid them at times, however it is more difficult to do so than with the gnolls, as the elves mostly live on tropical islands, making them stationary, making hit and run tactics harder, even though the gnolls are more well armed. The goblins mostly trade with the island elves and raid the ones that live on mobile waterworld like structures.
The goblins would like to trade with the gnomes, howeve the gnomes are very secretive, so very little trade is actually done between them, making gnome bubble good an expensive goblin commodity.
Continued...

Goblins continued:
Finally, since the goblins are so aquatic, they don't do much trading with other races, instead doing it indirectly through halflings and gnolls if they require goods from races they do not trade with. This is especially true of the dwarves, since they live up in th sky, and the goblins live in the sea.
The goblins highly value the goods from the hobgoblins, with their drugs and mind altering effects, important in their secrect dark cults and useful in drugging the lower castes into complaicency. However, to get them, they trade indirectly, trading through their allies, the halflings for what they require.
I think that sums up their relations pretty well. If I am missing anything, feel free to fill it in.

>>7770330
>>7770366
There's some options for handling the situation, if moon is decided to be inhabited. What I can think of is a) atmosphere extending all the way to the moon, b) artificial and narrowly travel-capable "wind tunnel" extending through space, stolen from Last Exile, and c) disqualification of Earth physics. Which, uh, actually, a) and b) both kinda fit into, along with everything else in the setting.

Say. What actually should be the basic theme of the setting, anyway? Scientific, mythological as in "ancient hero did this and that, which causes sun to rise and fall now", or deific, as in everything goes by creation and will of the gods? Or something else altogether?

>>7770419
I always thought more mythological, although different races have vastly different belief systems.

>>7770410
>>7770418
Looked pretty complete to me. Though for reason now i picture the gnoll's as the Japanese hunting whales while elves attempt to stop them by throwing jar's of piss.

>>7770418
you forgot the "solid water" that the low caste goblins are forced to mine.

The Halflings:
The halflings are interesting. They are a bundle of opposites. On one hand they are jolly people, while on the others they are powerful necromancers. They are willing to do much trade, and yet are a very xenophobic people, keeping mostly to their own family lines to the extent of inbreeding. They also have no belief in souls, and no qualms about using their voodoo kajun necromancy to reanimate their people. This is actally quite commenplace, with a large amount of the population of halflings being reanimated in some manner or another. These are not considered slaves, nor are they. They are members of the Halfling community like any other halfling. In fact, it is common for the power heads of families to be liches, with the current most powerful one being a demilich and a pelvis (and a real ladies man). More to follow

>>7770464
Well, I did meantion the miners I think, I meant that as a reference to the valuable solid water, although you are right, I should have meantioned it explicitly.

>>7770434
Dorf's worship Sunbeard/The Sun
Orc's worship The moon
Humans oklooke? Ancient god who abondoned them
Elves the sea
Goblins no one officially
Halfling's ancestor worship
Troll Hobgoblins orges and gnolls?

On the moon, I'd have to say that I really like the Moon/Demons Sun/Celestials duality, each ruled by a "god"-dragon, using Fey as shock troops against eachother.

More important than anything else, it completely removes both from the equation. They are real, if you want to use it for something, but they are so removed from everything else that goes on on Teegeeia that it practically doesn't matter.

Are the demons the grand design of the divine Orchitect? Is the sun really a god, as the dwarves teach? Do the two dragons remotely care about their kobold worshippers?

These things are still open for debate, which is more important than influential moonfairies.

I made a little checklist of events from real-world history that could be used to define some things of the setting. Answer as you fancy and then dicker 'til an understanding on what is useful and what is not is found, please.


1: Separate culture spheres within races, yes/no?
1b: Real-world/fictional base material for said cultures? Example: Sumerian orcs, Babylonian orcs, Hammerite orcs, completely homebrew orcs?

2: The culture to produce the first, most widely used calendar system. Possibly particular scholar within group?
2b: The current date on said calendar system.

3: First surviving instance of written tradition, global and culture-specific? Contents, subject?

4: The beginning date of transition from oral to written tradition: birth of codes of law and "reliable" historical records, transition from myth to antiquity? If, when, by whom?

5: Surfacing of organized religions, when, where, by whom? Cross-race/culture spread, yes/no? Direct divine influence, yes/no?

There's a ton of others to come up with, but I hesitate to spam too much in one go. It might be a bit much already. Have fun, hope it's of some use.

>>7770505
I'd say that it's too easy to say "Orcs worship the moon". I think it was said that they worship the Grand Orchitect (Architect became Orchitect), and they believe that the demons on the moon are his greatest creation, and that he created the entire world, brick-by-brick.

>>7770490
The halflings do trade with a surprising amount of people.

As previously meantioned, the trade extensively with the goblins. However, they also trade a great dea with the hobgoblins, their herbs and narcotics very valuable for trade and for their own use, whether recreational or in their dark voodoo rituals.

Some of the braver halflings hunt trolls, since it is by their necromatic arts that troll flesh can be preserved for use, and is quite valuable. Useful in their constructs (and reanimated family members) for it's regenerative powers, the fat is usually traded to the gnolls, who then trade it to the gnomes.

They also raise a special kind of alligator. This alligator is very, very tame, and is kept as pets, like we would a cat or dog. These gators shed their skins, which is used in products such as leathers, or used as a shell for reanimation into flesh golems, used as work horses in the living gator's sted.

They also have their own narcotic mushrooms and poisons that grow in the swamp, traded to both the hobgoblins wishing to bolster their own considerable variety and to the goblins.

As far as is currently known, the xenophobic halflings do not trade with other groups besides those meantioned most of the time, although there is always the odd occasion. They mostly get what they need through a cycle of trade from these main three. What they can not get, they reassure themselves they do not need. They are a willful people, proud of what their families can do.
Despite the lack of trade, the gnolls trade with them when they can, since their necromatic treasures have many uses and are valued by many societies.

>>7770546
So Ebberon-like god's? What about the after life? Everyone has a different heaven everyone gets gray nothing or a fucking wall?

>>7770557
Each race/society has it's own main culture, but within the race there are different branches and thoughts from this main one. Similar to how th halflings have many "families", but all are to one degree or another voodoo kajun goodfellas.

I have to go to class soon, it starts at 10 and it is already past 9 here. I'll update the other races when I get back, if someone hasn't already. I'll see if I can get anymore done in the meantime.

This stuff is pretty damn detailed. It should go on 1d4chan.

>>7770557


: The culture to produce the first, most widely used calendar system. Possibly particular scholar within group? Orc's made it obviously with there moon love and all. Also orc's named all the planets and enjoy telescopes

>>7770557
1) Apart from tribe-by-tribe differences (tower-by-tower for orcs) I'd like to say "No". This makes sense in the real world, but in a fantasy setting, we end up with the pitfall of "Elvenhood". Sea elves. Wood elves. Forest elves. High elves. Low elves. Dark elves. Night elves. Sky elves. Sea elves. Water elves. Moon elves. Sun elves. Black elves. Earth Elves. Elf Elves.

On the Orcs, though, I'd like to say Sumerian architecture, Babylonian culture.

2) Different calendar systems for different peoples. Makes it possible to just ditch you in the setting and say "Hey, it's Year X". You can completely avoid continuity issues in some cases thanks to this - "But didn't Z do Y in X?" "No, that was a different calendar. He did that many years ago. When in uncertain. Calendar issues between races, you see".

3) Humans. Definately humans. They were the dominant race before whatever Cataclysm befell them. Other than that, again, chalk it up to the different races. No shared alphabet, although I'd say that the current dominant one should be Orcish. It looks like a mix between Sanskrit and Runes.

>>7770620
>in a fantasy setting, we end up with the pitfall of "Elvenhood". Sea elves. Wood elves. Forest elves. High elves. Low elves. Dark elves. Night elves. Sky elves. Sea elves. Water elves. Moon elves. Sun elves. Black elves. Earth Elves. Elf Elves.

I don't really see the problem. Humans are like that in the real world, are they not? Just focus on the relevant type for the area and don't make a big deal out of it.

>>7770607
Yes, I'd say the orcs for the calender. Unless they all use a calender system of the older kingdoms, before humanity fell and such. Players would prolly go by the orc calender, unless they had a specific reason not to, in the compaign they are in. However, it is possible for them all to have their own basic way to keep track of time, and then the standard ancient human way. Like orcs tell time by their own calenders, but between the orcs and the humans if communication were had, they would use the ancient calender that they could both agree on.

>>7770607
I can see most of the mapping of the world being done by the dorfs seeing as they are in the sky so much.

Thoughts on illithids, no one has mentioned them yet.

>>7770570
No confirmed afterlife. Different religions have different beliefs, but none of them can be proven.

I'm not too familiar on Eberron, though. Basicly, faith drives divine magic. It was mentioned in the first thread, so there's really no need for real gods. The dwarves believe in an inanimate object, the Sun - but they also apply ONLY divine magic, despite this.

>>7770620
Yes, when I said differences before, I meant what you mean. A tribe by tribe idea, with slight difference, but still a general coheceveness about it.

>>7770620
Sounds good goe's with the whole tower/citystate thing for orc's. Also tower of babel

>>7770639
Well, I personally avoided illithids, since they are lol copyright. Also, gnomes have a sort of mental link and collective unconcious of their own. The gnomes are the ones that become psions in this world. Perhaps you could write unique fluff for the illithid, and see how it goes?

Dwarves are more aztec/mayan, complete with blood sacrifice and rituals.

>>7770663
Illithids are bloodsuckers from STALKER.

>>7770679
Dunno what that means. Sorry, I don't actually play alotta DnD. I know what they are like normally, what are you saying they'd be like here?

>>7770690
Super fast invisible bullet resistant monster from the Ukraine. Pic is related just remove the gun and replace with sword.

>>7770546
And shooting stars are just the bodies of the fallen, burning up high above.

There's a constant skirmishing going on and every year, during Tarrasquemas, a huge clash, offering the groundbound species and dorfs with a magnificent sight.

Sometimes, a few half-melted, scorched pieces of armor or weapons reach the ground, usually only surviving if they hit sand or water.

>>7770710
I dunno, I have an idea, although I need to go to class right now, can't put it off any longer. I'll type it up once I get bake.

Good luck to all of you in this noble venture! don't forget to archieve the thread!

>>7770557
Here, I think I'll write my own bundle of suggestions. Take 'em as you want.

1: Yes please. Inter-tower competition and differences out of plain spite.
1b: Free-for-all. Using ancient and more obscure languages for naming templates for different culture groups could be useful, for example, but not direct carbon-copying of real-world cultures.

2: The Orcish builder's almanac, reputedly an amalgamation of lore from the observations of early tower-builders on suitable times of towerbuilding. "Spring good for building, beware of storms in summer, heavy winds in autumn. Wear extra underwear for winter, don't let cement freeze."
2b: That's a hard one. Drawing from the previous selection, depending on how old the first towers are.

3: At least 2000 years old; either of orcish or dwarven descent. Fierce competition between the two groups exists of it's origin. Subject: the many competitions and exploits of great ancestral kings of both races.

4: Hm... a little redundant, now that I think of it. At least 2-3k years ago. I would expect flying city cultures to require a fair bit of time to mature. Mythical or historical setting? I pick mythical, for the novelty and flexibility of it. Codes of laws: yes for orcs, gnomes. Dwarves might even have written constitutions. The rest, not so likely. Perhaps gnolls would have a viking-styled "thing" rulership system, something akin to proto-democracy on the deck of an ogring ship.

5: Equal in age with written tradition. The more agressive the race, the more widespread and militaristic the religion. Orcish religions might be very widespread. Great big yes for Eberron-style religion and gods.

>>7770725
Dragons are asleep and worshipped by kobolds. I thought we where going with moon is fey's sun is celestials and demons are just being jerks and we already worked out that meteors are tiles from a orc tower in the sky.

We know gnolls have a system of ancestor worship. They take their dead and have them frozen solid, although I am not sure what they do with them then. Use them as statues to honor and look over them? Or perhaps some ritual shattering, in which the pieces are used somehow?

The gnomes don't have an actual worship, I don't think. Rather, before they die, they add their own mind and personality to the vast collective bubble. This is similar to illithids and the elder brain, except good. In the bubble, their minds still exist and are alive, joined with the collective, still able to be connected to the unconcious connection and joined dream and such. I suppose this is what is sought for guidance and knowledge as well, as it possesses all the wisdom and guidance and experience of all who's mind reside within.

>>7770756
>meteors are tiles from a orc tower in the sky
That's what the locals believe.
Like at some point western science had a consensus that meteorites were just folklore and that no stones could ever fall from the sky.

Besides, finding bits of tiles isn't as exciting as finding a scorched gigantic sword made for some thing with four arms.

>>7770783
Depends if you're an orc or not.

Say, have we even decided what orcs look like in this setting?

This is my vote. Add large canines and flatten and widen the nose out of human proportions.

By the way, what do the dorfs eat?
Misplaced ogres? Birds? Do they trade for food?
If they catch their own food, how? Giant nets? Harpoons?

If this was settled, sorry. I'm trying to keep up while working.

>>7770639
Our Illithids are the Gnomes. :D

>>7770725
Depends on who you ask. If you ask the Orcs, they'll say that falling stars are building blocks dropped by a tower-building Orc that started taking blocks from underneath the tower he built, in order to build it higher. He eventually disappeared, on his way to the moon.

>>7770756
Last I heard (last thread) the only thing that got changed was that the Dragonborn shock-troops used in the Sol-Luna war were changed into Fey. So we could have Fey. Because someone really needed Fey.

>>7770841
Hmm... I'd say "all of the above, and then some". They'd propably have some farming systems on their cities as well, perhaps some plant species that grow in below-zero conditions by handwavium, or then some sort of indoors glass gardens.

>>7770872
Not to mention that dragonborn are a little meh, more or less. I'd like our dragons less slutty and more terrible, if at all, please.

I'd like the moon fey more WoD Fey-inspired than D&D inspired, though.

>>7770887
Collect rain water from clouds? Eat lots of bread and use yeast to make beer to wash it down?

>>7770925
Or just accumulate air moisture from the clouds with the ice of their cityships. Yeah, that might actually work pretty well. Although I'd be royally pissed off if I was one of the dwarves that have to work outside during a cloud dive, I wager. Sopping wet in addition to being freezing cold.

I suppose some sorts of water-grown fern plants could be commonplace, since water seems to be their most readily available resource. Perhaps they would know how to redirect and apply sunlight for heat and energy needed to grow plants, too...

>>7770841
Aeroponics. This has not been settled, but given their nature, I think it makes sense. Other than that, I'd say "All of the above".

>>7770902
I never liked Dragonborn either, I just found it fitting because of the Dragongods. We could just say that they use fey, and Dragonborn are considered Fey in the setting, along with all other Fey.

As for terrible dragons, we have two monsterously powerful dragons that pose as gods. I'm not sure we want more dragons than that.

Do we? I'd prefer not to, really. Dragons overall are just boring. Either we make them intelligent, and then we have the problem of actually carving a place for them that makes sense (why aren't they interfering? If they are so powerful, why don't they, X, Y, Z). If we make them beasts or animals, then there's really nothing interesting about them anyway.

If need be, can't we just go for "Winged lizards"? Huge, mean motherfuckers, but purely animalistic. Can only use their wings for great, enormouse leaps (several kilometers), not long-term flying.

>>7770948
Cloud mining for water? At least its better than being on the ground *shudders*

>>7770838
Yes. Yes. A thousand times yes.
They are essentially orcish sumerians. Green-to-brown-green skin, small tusks/large teeths, sharpened. Enjoy slavery.

>>7770964
I like dragons being mysterious its better than the HERP DERP KILL DRAGON GET GOLDZ
>>7770989
Fits perfectly.

>>7770964
We could go with the real-world-history choice of people using "dragon" for a catch-all term for a big, mean monster, too. Which, of course, would lead to nonhumans often mistaking tarrs for dragons, for example. Of course, both the catch-all term and the two specific god dragons could exist at the same time, as it'd just add a muddled layer of mystery to the existence of the latter.

>>7771032
No i think tarr's would be well known, seeing as its like "Humans are in town"
"Really, did they bring any tarr poop"?
They don't go anywhere with out them almost have a mongol like love of there horses thing going on.

>>7771032
I agree. No "real" dragons that adventurers can go hunt. Dragons are the realm of myth and something that various cultures call various creatures.

>>7771052
Yeah, that may be true for Orcs, Elves or Gnomes, who may or may not (depending on their location) have frequent contact with humans. But for Halflings, Dwarves, Kobolds, Hobgoblins or Goblins, seeing a Tarr must be extremely rare.

>>7771076
True true seeing it might be odd, but if they know anything about humans they would immediately think
"oh yeah the desert guys with the tarr's"
it's like going "orcs and towers" or "elves and homosexuality"

Seems like this home brew has gone stale, a shame it was tasting pretty good too

>>7771292
Ebb and flow is the nature of /tg/. Judging from the timing, the threads started while I was sleeping and/or at work and carried on actively 'til now. Roll the clock around another 6-10 hours and the active crowd will return, I suspect.

Nevertheless, much love for these threads. It is due time /tg/ starts tinkering with big things again.

>>7771108
Elves. They taste like salty milk.

Yeah, well, people are going to school and what not, I'm gonna dump some ideas here throughout the evening here though.

I was thinking about names, and more specifically, what is the naming standard for the various cultures?

Orcs - They want to sound classy, sophisticated and suave, but can't lose that raw animalism that they have ingrained in their very genes, giving them names that are easy to recognize.

For example;

"Thrallexander Fangstream"
"Lok'Tharian Towerstrum"
"Orchius Rawrifun"

Seeing as they are not as clanbased as other cultures, family names are not as important as your vocation. You almost always have an additional name, to tell from which tower you are decended. (I.e. Theldok Beastwinder, of Black Tower) which would be the closest you have to a clan (outside immediate family). You could say that it is close to modern western naming standards.

>>7771413
I'm still here. I started with the aztec/mayan/religion dwarf thing on the first thread and carried on until now.

I have too much free time.

Good run, /tg/. Good run. I think it gets increasingly hard for people to "get into" a thread, the longer it's kept alive. It gets tiresome to read up on several threads before you can actively participate, so a lot of people just skip it. Hopefully we'll be able to pick up on it later.

Gonna save this thread now. I have no idea on how to archive it online, so I'm just going to save it on my computer. No matter what happens, I'll still have it. All of them. :D

>>7771518
I like it. Didn't we settle on a multitude of masonic organizations, though? Those could effectively be used as "clans".

Not sure if there's a way to incorporate that into a name, though. It'd be more like titles. "Of the Free Masons", etc.

>>7771558
Everything about them was to do with building more or less its a form of worship for them. Also we worked out that they're sumerian/babylonian like in the way the act and dress. Take slave build tower, look at moon, enjoy shit.

>>7771518

Cont'd

Dwarves, living in thin air needs all their oxygen for more important things, so their entire language is as short and direct as possible, names included. Two-maximum three syllables is often enough, and this sort of leads to the dwarf having lots more of different sounds for various letters and symbols than we do.

For example,
Lo'Bo is pronounced different from Lo-Bo, which is pronounced different from LoBo which is pronounced different from LoBó, etc.

Naturally, family is marked in different ways, wearing a special type of braid in your beard, a marking on your fore-arm or something.

This is actually a setting I think I'd enjoy playing an Orc in. Or a dwarf.

Both are races I rarely play, or truly enjoy. :D

>>7770872
I agree, our gnomes are our illithids. Strange, gnomish illithids. Truly, a wonderful world.

>>7771617
In this? I'dactually not mind most races. The take on halfling is great, the hobgoblins are awesome, the gnolls are amazing, the goblins are sweet even. Everything is very fresh and interesting in this world.

>>7771613
Nice, nothing quite as creepy as flying aztec dwarfs who are completely silent. If the dwarfs come down to ground level wouldn't the be drunk off oxygen as well? Or have i just massively failed biology?

>>7771625
Don't forget the bubbles

Oh god.........the bubbles

>>7771613
For dwarves, I'd actually suggest uniforms. Not military uniforms, but simply distinguish people from the clothes they wear. I think it was said that their clothing is distinctly egyptian-like (but in darker colors, to match their architecture and culture, more stone/grey than gold/yellow). I think much of their hair would be concealed or braided into whatever fashion is going on, and they tend to burn themselves, making identification of social status or position based on tattoos/markings hard. Some priests are scarred all over their faces, I'd imagine.

A khat (a headdress worn by the egyptian nobility/pharahos) should only be allowed to be worn by priests. The colors blue only by nobility. Things like that.

Compare it to how Red Wizards of Thay are the only ones to be allowed to wear Red in Thay, in Forgotten Realms.

>>7771647
Yes. Dwarves would initially be drunk of their arse on oxygen if they came down here. It could possibly be hazardous to their health if they come from really, really high up to really low, too quickly.

Thankfully, we settled that the flying cities move extremely slowly. They have to rely on smaller skyships for city-to-land travel - something they rarely do, anyway.

I have two Swampland fauna:

The Megasquid: With the extremely thick, moist air of the swamp, life has taken many an unexpected turn. This behemeth stands as tall as an elephant, with two long armlike tentacles instead of a trunk, and 8 more long squid legs, as thick as elephant legs. The moist air keeps it hydrated and is thick enough to support it's relatively soft body, with nearly pure muscle giving it the rest of the strength it needs to walk on land. It lacks the tusks of an elephant, but still possesses the powerful squid beak, said to be able to crush a golem in some of the tougher, older megasquid. It is an omnivore, focusing mostly on plant life, though it is not picky if the opportunity arises. Instead of ink, it's habitat and diet has led it to be able to shoot acid, thought to be a defence against the trolls that roam to far into the swamp, looking for an easy target. Some have been trained to be powerful beasts of burden, although the species is not domesticated. It is large and strong enough to grab a halfling in each tentacle and throw them both into it's gapping maw, swallowing them whole.

>>7771613

Cont'd

Humans, still bitter over losing their imperium still rolls with archaic names, where you have long, dwindling names that mention parents, grandparents, great-grandparents etc.

For example:

"Frederick Andreas Elistor Fenderburg-Sturgisnaht, Son of Archduke Hemeldor of The Blazing Empire, Descendant of the Maximillian House" and something of the sort.

Seeing as they are nomads, their name is the strongest link they have to their past, and they wear them with pride.

>>7771702
The second is the Squibbon, lurking where the trees are close together and the air is moist. As the name might have tipped you off, it too is squidlike in appearance. But don't think it is any friend of the megasquid, which views squibbons as a rare treat. These squid creatures swing through the trees, like a monkey, but with more agility and skill, from it's lack of a skeleton and 8 arms. Their muscular bodies are powerful for their size, but they are relatively cowardly, not picking a fight with any creature larger than itself. It possesses five eyes, on various places on it's body, to better allow it to view the swampy jungle around it. Unlike the megesquid, if the squibbon were to encounter a troll, it would use it's agility, speed and grace to outrun and outlast it, outnumbering the trolls three arms by a whopping 5. Squibbons are delicious however, and not as acidicly sour as the megasquid. It's ink is said to possess important properties in the writing of magical scrolls, and is highly valued for it, worth the pain of catching one wild. There have been attempts to farm raise them, but they have all been varying degrees of unsuccessful. The best way to catch one is to take advantage of it's curious and playful nature; they are quite an intelligent creature, and at times naive.

>>7771708

Cont'd

Gnomes, with their hive-mind and secluded society have no great need for names, instead they send vision bubbles depicting the gnome they are talking about/to. And the reciever not only gets the looks, he gets the smell, the sound, everything perceptible about a person is easily transferred in a bubble. So names, or even language is rarely, if ever, used in gnomish society.

>>7771765
Didn't we say "Hive-Unconciousness"? That is to say, they share emotions and stuff, but no "real" telepathy.

Other than that, I love your suggestions so far.

>>7771765
The gnomes keep getting cooler and cooler. They should get distraught or perhaps even disoriented if they are seperated too long from their homes, and other gnomes. Gnomes are not borg of course, they are individuals, but they still are joined. It is like knowing your best friend will always, always be there for you, and you would share anything with them. On a racial scale. Everyone you know is like that. This makes gnomes terrible liars as well, when dealing with other races.

>>7771778
They are not speaking with their mind, they are speaking through a specially crafted kind of bubble. Think of video chat. But instead of video, you are sending your entire being, giving absolute understanding between the two "chatting".

>>7771796
I like that. They are like fairy illithids.

>>7771803
With bubbles!

>>7771759
more fauna: Think of a flying fish, only more so. Called a Flit, they are a mix of fish and bat and dwell in the marsh, where the air is thick. They use their fins to "swim" through the air. Instead of backfins, they have small claws, which they use to catch food or grasp onto branches to hang upside down from to roost.

>>7771802 Between a Gnome and an Orc:

"What is your name?"

"..what?"

"What. Is. Your. Name?"

"..what a peculiar thing to ask. What is YOUR name?"

"I asked you first."

"Oh, I thought it was something in relation to another, how am I supposed to know my name, if I don't know yours?"
"Say what?"

"A name.. well I'm afraid I have no idea how to put it to you. What's IS yours?"
"Ceasorlok Trocklorger, of Red Peak"

"Well, then my name shall be Sorcea Pebblebottom"

"Then why was my name relevant?"

"Maybe it wasn't. Who knows? It's my name now. Go on. Let's go. We have much to do".

>>7771828
Just post a link to that whole doco basically all the sea based animals can be used. Giant jelly fish and electric pack sharks would be fucking epic.

>>7771843
The gnomes are starting to turn into the guy from planet of the apes who worshiped the nuclear bomb.

Fuck. Year.

>>7771828
More Fauna: The Splake, or Split-snake. The front have seems normal, if large for a snake, but it splits into two tails about a third of the way down. This allows the Splake, which is at least 12 feet long, to swim similar to a dolphin and even "stand" upright when it need to strike with it's mouth. It can even use the two tails to push itself up through the air, pouncing on unexpecting prey above in the trees, such as a squibbon. And when surprise is not enough to take down a foe, it uses it's two tails to increase it's constricting abilities, for a painful, crushing kill. We are only lucky that the Splake is not poisonous, as surprise and strength are quite enough for any animal.

>>7771861
Giant Jellyfish. Fuck yeah. Fuck those pansy giant squids. Who needs 'em?

And electric sharks. Fucking awesome.

>>7771843
Haha, I'd have trouble choosing just one race to play as in this setting! They are all so interesting!

>>7771891
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Future_Is_Wild_species

This is what I was using, although I still say the Splake was my idea... you can tell by how terrible it is, really.

Don't forget that dwarves ride skysharks. It was mentioned in the first thread. I think it was only one post, but it was uncontested. :D

>>7771891
The Mega-Squid could be sort of back ground critters wandering through the swamp while singing. They fill sort of the elephant role in the savanah for the swamp. Which is basically eat shit grow big and die.

>>7771910
Sounds fine. The dwarves do like flying, however they can do it. They think it is AWESOME. To a dwarf, flying through the air is the best thing one can experience, pure extacy.

>>7771914
Oh, yeah, I like the idea of the megasquid mentioned earlier. I meant regular, Giant Squids.

Giant Jellyfish are so much more awesome. Who needs Krakens, amirite? :D

>>7771910
Skysharks? Needs more fleshing out if it can be used.

>>7771943
These are no ordinary giant jellyfish, read up about it. It' like how the man o' war is actually made up of many creatures times a thousand.

wow, this is awesome. Im glad to see my suggestion for amphibious goblins is still in the running.

What do we have now? Do we have a solid list of racial features and ecology?

>>7771765

Elves follow a Native American-style of naming, where occurences on the day you were born, or something special about the way you look gives you your name, which is granted to you in a holy ritual. As well as a "totem" name, an animal or other creature that is chosen to be their spirtual guide and symbol. Those with the same animal becomes linked for life, taking care of one another like a family. If they encounter their totem animal in the wild, it is a most sacred event, and the animal is forbidden to be touched or captured. Killing an elf's totem animal is the worst crime anyone could ever commit, granting instant expulsion from the entire community and curses the murderer to sail the ocean alone, forever.

For example:
Redeye Goldeneel
Sunset Eaglefish

>>7771972
Not entirely, but it is coming together nicely, sadly I must head back to class, I have one more today, then I can come back to writing ideas!

>>7771943
Kraken are all extinct because of the tarrasque

>>7771979
I always thought the hobgoblins were more of the native, spirit animaly type, what with their facepaint and tatoos. However, I am terrible at naming things, so I shall see what you have in store for us.

>>7771981
FUCK CLASS THIS IS THE CLOSEST YOU'LL EVER HAVE TO A CHILD

>>7771989
The tarrasque doesn't eat living things (purposefully). However, it will defend itself when attacked, and the kracken were known for their aggressiveness.

>>7771998
Then care for it while I am gone! Think up landmarks, legends, and plants and animals!

>>7771992

I think that fits better, to be honest. Because if the elves are on the ocean their names will consist of fishfish sunfish or stormfish fishfighter or whatnot. Having the hobgoblins as the natives fits a little better. Perhaps have colonies of exiled elves who have gone primitive on land, driven slightly mad from their loss of the sea.

>>7771992
No Hobgoblins are like hippies/scottish who like face tattoo's and basically spend all there time farming and chilling.

>>7772002
I thought we were rolling with its a tarrasque but he's underwater.

Darom Blocksetters Durp

The remains of the only floating dwarven citadel to ever fall, due to the idiocy of the dwarven cleric, Darom Blocksetter.

He who attempted to bargain with the winged elves for passage, only to have them strike down the peace party, and surge en masse reaching the control point and destroying the holy foci of the clouds which brought down the ship.

The winged elf colony was destroyed in the following shockwave, collapsing their roosts high up in the Featherlite mountains. It serves as a reminder to all dwarves the lunacy of negotiating with lesser creatures.


As well, have minotaurs live in cave systems built into the mountains, perhaps having an uneasy alliance with the winged elves, serving as infantry troops whilst they attack from above. Also at war with the dwarves because the dwarves keep eating their mountains.

>>7771979

Halflings have quite a complex naming tradition, what with their godfather-controlled families. In official documents, the Godfather's name decides the last name of all the members of his Family. The first name is seldom used, as a nickname more often than not always surface a couple of years after they join the Family. Furthermore, what with the necromancing going around, a persons real name carries quite a lot of power as one needs to know it to cast various hexes on you. So the nick-name is as much "street-cred" as it is a protection from hexmasters and other magical evil-doers.

For example.
"The Knife" Corroleno
"Timmy Two-Times" Feldurini

The Godfather is always, and only called Godfather. All else is practically heresy. (I'm thinking the last names should sound vaguely Italian, with a fantasy twist)

>>7772031

thats already been set up? Aight. The tribal elves would work, I just don't think it works on the sea's. All IMO though.

>>7772040
We are. And it's fucking terrible. The goblins are scared shitless of it and plan to attach baloons on it and send it to the dwarves (which they rarely, if ever, meet anyway).

>>7772079

Kind of sounds like the 4e halflings. Or at least how I imagine them in their swamps.

Where do gnomes stand? I'm thinking that perhaps a technomancy race could be included that builds mechanical vehicles and weapons but are not instinctively land lusting. More, protect their own than raze other peoples territory. Heh, gnomish power armour.

>>7771992
>>7772031
Both are true.

>>7772101

...

tarrasqueballoon.jpeg

>>7772069
Winged elves??

>>7772079
So what happens when Godfathers meet?
Should probably attach the surname to that. Godfather Feldurini, etc. They have no nickname, nor a first name. Even mothers have been whacked for referring to their sons birth name, and not "Godfather".

>>7772135

avriel or ariel. Im not sure whats been done but I proposed the winged elves as dwarven enemies due to, well dwarves eating their homes which are located at the top of mountains.

>>7772069
>>7772135
No winged elves.
Just.. no.

>>7772142
I think we already agreed to try to minimize the amount of Elfiafication. For example drow,sea elves, wood elves, high elves, snow elves etcera

>>7772133

>>7772145

Any reason why not? Make it kenku then.

>>7772160
How could anyone be scared of him? :D

>>7772142
Time to earn my nerd cred: Avariel.
Winged elves with bad -Con problems.

Well, could be they'd find a symbiotic relationship. Elfs living high on the outside of the mountains make for an excellent observation/early warning system. They're also probably great for aiding in repelling sieges -what with living at altitudes well above easy assault. The only thing better then dwarfy death from above is combined arms, after all.

>>7772133
>>7772160

Inwardly I cheer every time I see someone post that pic I made. I am teh happy.

>>7772163
Why? Dorf's are removed from affairs of the earth bound races in the same way elves are in normal High Fantasy
Besides if flying bird people started shit they would just level there homes and use sky sharks to eat them.

>>7771979
>>7771992
>>7772026
>>7772031

Yeah, the hobgoblins could maybe have some distant common ancestor, and the naming tradition stuck. Also, the elves would perhaps use other things than just fish as totem-animals. (Or of they did, have more poetic names for them than just slapping the -fish-suffix on random words).

I'm thinking the hobgoblins use what we would traditionally call "dwarven names", to signify strength and power. Every hobbo gets to choose their own name when they reach a certain age, and this is done under a heavy drug-trance. Names are not as important to signify family- or clan connections, face paints and tattoo's is used for that.

For example:
Fistblood Murderpants
Icerock Bonebreaker.

>>7772163
To avoid inter-racial proliferation. There are small, individual differences between cities, tribes, towers, clans, etc. But not within a single race. All dwarves are dwarves. All elves are elves. All humans are humans.

The only step away from this that have cropped up in the thread prior to the "no elfification" thing was Aasimar and Tiefling Kobolds, but that has a strong basis in their religion and are specific to them.

>>7772182

kenku it is. Hadnt realized that had been decided. I was here when the original thread began, and it appears at least 2 threads have gone by in the making of this setting.

>>7772137

Godfathers rarely meet in person, they use all kinds of right-hand henchmans, minions and other "employees", if you will. It is too great a risk for two family-heads to meet, there is a great risk that only one halfling will exit that room alive.

>>7772180
Hobgoblins are peace and love man, not war and hate when they go to war they do it out of there head on drugs so its not really war so much as a bad trip.

>>7772180
I like having the elves as the "native" names. We have mixed a lot of cultures in a lot of different races, here. There's no reason it shouldn't apply to naming conventions.

Hobgoblins are more "native"-styled, but Elves get the "native"-styled naming convention. I like Hobgoblins inheriting the traditional Dwarven naming convention, but without family/clan names. It's got a "native dwarf" feeling to it.

>>7772079
>>7772208
Arn't most godfather liches of some description?

>>7772237

ahh I have no issue with the native naming convention. I retract my complaint. It was having them worship nature on the open ocean that bugged me.

>>7772198
Anyone going write up some stuff on kenku??

>>7772213
They are both. They are peace and love on average, but they also go to war. They have some pretty meth-hopped-up barbarians with facepaint EVERYWHERE.

They are scottish savages and peacelove hippies on an assortment of drugs, rolled into one.

>>7772213

Dude, just because you like drugs doesn't mean you don't like fighting.However, the names I mentioned were more of the 'zerker names,

So names such as
Earthbloom Windrunner
Smoothfur Ganja
Tree Grasswalker

is also common.

(I meant this all along, this is not some last-minute save or anything!)

>>7772253
They worship the mother ocean

>>7772270
I think having the Hobgoblin clan leader named Fistblood Murderpants, peaced out on LSD and Ganja, makes it so much more hilarious.

>>7772241

Well yes, the tradition of not having them meet is a pretty old one, from before the necromanting rituals were as commonplace. It just stuck, and it gave the Godfathers a mystical, dark, almost mythical reputation.

>>7772253
>>7772303
Yes, they worship "Mother Ocean", and construct their structures and tools out of bones, special seaweed and a form of oceanfloor mud. All their priests are water druids. Just a quick recap on elves.

>>7772288
Sorry should of been more clear, I was trying to say that there names shouldn't be about war and stuff. But as berzerker's those name work well fits in with the once they become a zerker they must die so changing there name makes sense.

>>7772262

Kenku live in caves near the top of mountains, fierce enemies with the dwarfs, allied with minotaurs who live in the base of their mountains for protection and when they go to war they have powerful infantry to support their aerial hit and run guerrilla tactics. Kenku and minotaur fucking hate dwarfs because the dwarfs keep destroying their homes by dropping their great citadel ships down and snipping off pieces of mountain for the ore and stone there in. (the mining practice is from the original thread)

Minotaurs should live in quiet mining colonies. Never bothering other races taking the calm of the cow instead of the wrath of the bull. They produce metal ingots and gems which they trade with many other races. When provoked however they are fierce warriors. They have no spellcasters though. They worship neutral idols relating to their labyrinthine caves as opposed to named gods.

Well, that should cover the naming of the races with some civilization.

I'm just thinking about the lizardmen and kobolds, (copying from old thread)

"So, kobolds are the humanoid descendant of dragons, who are rumored to still sleep in the deepest corners of the world. The kobolds are a mischiveous bunch, constantly playing tricks on each other as well as any outsider who dare enter their dungeon. They are basically a Kobolds Fortress, with your average fa/tg/uy controlling them.

In the beginning, when the world was young, a group of courageous kobold ventured outside their safe mountains, to see what the overworld had to offer. But back then, the swamps were still roaming with wild magic, which did strange things to these kobolds, making them lose more and more of their "noble" dragon traits, and giving them more of a "common" lizard look. Naturally, these newly formed "lizardfolk" were shunned by the kobolds, and the lizardmen had no choice but to stay on the outside, and adapt to a life in the swamp/jungle.

Today, the lizardfolk are ferocious hunters, masters with bow and arrow as well as sharp talons and teeth. Any who venture into the jungle in hopes of finding ancient koboldian ruins or other treasures must be on their guard, for a lizardman shoots first, and asks questions later."

Which you could also see from the map I made in

>>7770323

What are we going for with them?

>>7772356
Meh

>>7772356
I like the peaced-out Minotaurs. Calm of the Cow. Living in the lower parts of mountains inhabited by Kenku. I like it.

>>7772369
Semi-cutebold kobolds and lizardmen live in the jungle which we haven't talked about all except that trolls live threre.

>>7772356

Kenku worship the open air and freedom, as well as trickery and deceit. They excel at subterfuge, and are weak melee fighters but fairly talented archers and they have a limited number of wizard priests who serve to enthrall and goad the masses using illusion magics. They also live symbiotically with the minotaurs who provide them with tools and weapons whilst they serve as healers, diviners (of ore and the like), & early detection system for threats.

>>7772393

Its a depature from the usual line of thought for minotaurs. The kenku however I need help with. At this point they feel copypasted and if anyone would like to spice them up feel free.

>>7772409
Is this a kenku?
How does it fly and shoot bow's at the same time?

If it feels forced in any way, it's better to just drop the whole idea. Not saying it can't be done, just that if it's overthought, it will feel contrieved.

>>7772424
They all speak in ebonics and are shameless theives, they would assasinate each other but they're too dickless to do it.

This thread is also archived now, under "teegeescape".

>>7772438
They use sounds for names, and their language has very few words.
These are usually commonised into things like Doorcreak, Hammerring, or Quietwind.

>>7772444

yeah, we can't just toss all races we can think of in there. I mean, the world would not support that many sentient creatures.

added a little bout the K/M settlements

>>7772484
Mountains? In my desert?

>>7772465
Yeah im thinking we drop the whole Kenku thing, Minotaurs as Pacifist Hindu's though.....

>>7772438

It needs to be taken from dungeons and dragons?

Give them a set of wings to fly with and a spare set of arms, or make them powerful fliers but have them vocalize spells and drop bombs on the enemy.

Perhaps have a satchel in one foot and the other grabs bombs to drop or hurl. Give them grasping claws (ie similar to opposable phalanges) it doesn't seem to off left field what with their penchant for skull duggery.

>>7772598

they trade with whoever the alchemy race is for these bombs, alchemists fire, acid flasks, or w/e.

>>7772565
Feels a bit too tauren.

>>7772541
I was missing both mountains in the desert and orcish cities in the desert, but the map should really be blown up by a factor of 20 to fit everything there.

I just haven't been arsed. Getting tired here.

>>7772598
The idea with this is for it too be different that's what /tg/ home brewing shit is all about. Not lolrandum different and not elves are in jungle instead of forest different. But a kind of different where is breathes new life into races and encourages you too roleplay differently than before. Copy pasting races is not different at all, its the exact same shit as always.

>>7772607
Alchemy race?

>>7772623
True but if you give them an Indian accent, turbans and a touch of Buddhism. They're fucking gone way away

>>7772642

which is why I asked for assistance. I like the idea of a symbiotic relationship. A flying race allied with a mining race. I can understand why /tg/ would want to keep the numerous moon/sun/derp elves off the landscape here. Kenku offer a lot of potential.

What about sergals?

>>7772730
No.

>>7772730

never

>>7771998
Back!

>>7772856
Shit's been getting bad, we ended up back in race creation with minotaurs and kenku. The whole thread has sort of derailed.

How do minotaur rank on the scale of racial status? Ogre? Troll? Or higher with the people?
Also, if they are to be different, perhaps not always have them be the top part bull only. The amount bull or man differs from individual to individual. Sometimes, on a rare occasion, one is born entirely bull or entirely man. In both these cases, the creature is of the same intelligence and suc as their parents, just lacking in one of the halves. If a full bull, it is given a place of honor and cared for. If it is a man, it is cast out of the tribe, or worse.

Fuck it, let's just combine kenkus and minotaurs.

Flying cow-people!

>>7772730

Eh, until either myself or another can really make interesting kenku, lets just cut em out. The minotaurs as pacifists however could be interesting. They mine out the mountains below and trade with the surrounding races. They worship the mountain they live in, revering its spirit and believe each stone they cut has a spark of divinity or a soul in it. They're communion involves a great deal of meditation and they are powerful hand to hand fighters. Basically they aim to become sturdy as the rock they mine. Perhaps leaders of their religion/philosophy gain the ability to mine rock barehanded and deliver crushing blows to their enemies. In times of war they meet in a congregation where all minotaurs may cast a vote, as opposed to a single monarch. They elect a war leader (usually the highest ranking philosopher/warrior) to lead the warriors and a labyrinth leader (to organize the homes defenses and prepare the non-combat types)

Hope war never comes but make sure every man woman and child can fight like a cornered dragon. kind of philosophy.

>>7772932
Sound suspiciously like a normal dwarf.

>>7772917
So yuan-ti but minotaurs?

Perhaps have minotaurs and kenku be slaves to the most successful of the modern civilizations, the orcs and the dwarves. On could be a somewhat willing slave of one of the races, converted into a somewhat twisted version of their beliefs, while the other is more of a forced slave.

>>7772944

Dunno. I really don't know squat about yuanti. I was thinking boyscout minotaurs. Be prepared for anything.

>>7772942

When has any normal dwarf been a pacifist?

>>7772944
Really? Yun-ti work that way? I need to read more normal dnd.
Perhaps the Kenku work with the Orcs, wishing to reach to the heavens as well, but regulated to second-class citizen or worse. Minotaurs are an enslaved race of the dwarves, almost completely extinct in the wild, forced to work and be beast's of burden in their sky cities.

>>7772932
So... shaolin miners? Heh.

>>7772970
Minotaurs work for orcish tower empire?

By the way, even if you are already gone, to the person who set up the naming practices of the different races... thank you, you did a wonderful job. More than I ever did thinking up things, building castles in the sky. People like you build up from the earth to keep the castles up there.

>>7773023
I was thinking they'd have been captured and enslaved by the dwarves, seeing them as an inferior creature to be used for cheap, strong labor.

Both the orcs and the dwarves let these slaves do their more minor work, to allow them to focus on their quest for the heavens.

>>7773077
I'm now picturing dwarf ships fly through the sky leave nothing but flaming undead and depopulated villagers in there wake.

Humans are few remember. Although they seem to cover much of the map, these are small numbers in each dot, barely more than a handful in most. They are just eching out however they can. As a result of them being so spread out, they tend, while still being very similar to each other, to be more varied in culture than other races, especially between those that live in the great endless desert, and those that dwell in the great endless plains.

>>7773145
AWESOME

I don't see the dwarves allowing "mud-dwellers", ESPECIALLY such a race as the minotaurs, into their cities. They may have some kind of noose around their neck, forcing them to work for them on the earth, but their cities are holy.

>>7773151
How can the both be endless? Also no Tarr's on the plains, they eat sand remember? Different Tarr breed like a tarrasque but he has goofy straight grass eating teeth

>>7771759
There are those that believe the squibbon to possess surprisingly great intelligence, as shown by their tricky and curious nature. Some even go so far as to claim they are smarter than trolls. When questioned about this, the squibbon chose to maintain a stoic silence, wriggling its tentacles about. When the trolls were asked, they were indignant, pointing out their ability to speak, use tools and form groups as proof of their obvious superiority. As you know however, trolls are a lesser race, and so they do not have the right to give testimony. Thus, it is sadly stil unknown which of the two is more intelligent.

-Dwarven researcher

>>7773215
What if they don't even consider the minotaur a true race though? Just seeing them as another animal, much like the humans and their tarrs. As the dwarves are so much better and HIGHER than the humans, surely their beast of burden would be greater as well? Or so they reason, I figure.

>>7773221
I know no tarr on the plains, this is just one example of how different the two groups are from each other.

Perhaps the gnomes can make bubble weapons as well. A mace, appearing as a plain bluntly tipped group of bubbles, when swung correcty it expands and hardens, with pressure leading to some truely powerful blows. Or a bubble "sword" that when swung, thins and enlongates back, sharpening into a deadly scimitar

As for places of interest. I remember it mentioned that there were remains of a large human city in the middle of the desert.

>>7773288
Perhaps one of the few remenants of the humans lost empire left, a shadow of itself, with great treasure inside, but the spirits of the fallen have not rested easily.

Am I the only one who seems to be having issues with 4chan not working?

As for history, I believe the gnomes should have warred with the kobolds in the past. They both inhabit the same mountain range, and with the gnomes being so secretive, and the kobolds so tricky, tensions could easily have erupted.

Any more suggestions?

>>7772970
Kenku get regularly enslaved and abused by the dorfs. The dorfs, with their absolute love of flight see Kenku, birds that have LOST the ability to fly, as something of a perversion of nature.

The least compassionate dorfs have fun droppin their slave Kenku off from great heights.

The minotaur WERE slaves to humans, perhaps playing a part in their downfall, perhaps just freeing themselves as the human empire fell.

Now the minotaur despise humans, slaying any they seem though luckily, they very rarely do, inhabiting such different parts of the world.

Though despising humans, the minotaurs are fascinated by Ookluke, offering sacrifices on holy sites along the mountains, wishing to gain power and build a new empire of their own.

The hardy minotaurs are readily hired by the gnolls and kenku, usually as warriors, sometimes as heavy workers of some capacity.

Though unable to use magic, after hundreds of years being used as slave-troops under humanity, some minotaurs can sense the direction of powerful magic in a few mile radius.
This works on them like a bad smell, aggravating them, though they can control themselves up to a point.

sup guys
I went ahead and drew that map we had with a bit more detail because lolpaint

>>7773558
>slaying any they see, though luckily

Goddamn fucking long day behind.

>>7773565
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>>7773565
Well done!

>>7773565
Hmmm, looking at the map, I notice the populations tend to focus more in the west. It makes sense of course, what with the huge fucking desert, but still.

So does anyone here think they are going to try using the new world we brewed up? In whole or in part even?

>>7774129
We've got minotaurs in the east mountains now, but I hadn't read that when I made it.

>>7774189
I sure am. As a comic setting, even! Hell yeah, now I just have to figure out what the fuck it will be about

>>7774199
What kind of comic? Will we be able to see it?

Well, we still need to set stats and bonuses. Surely such different races deserve different stat bonuses and penalties compared to their vanilla selves?

Halflings will get a bonus at necromatic spells, of course. It's not much, but it's a start.

Guy from original thread (Not OP, just that's the thread I was in.).

I think there's a golden opportunity being missed here.

First, 'dwarves' are sacred (to dwarves). No dwarves may be executed, killed, etc.

If a dwarf commits a crime (murder, arson, sabotage, atheism), the dwarf is given a parachute and thrown from the city. A REAL dwarf would rather die with honor than live on the ground, so the killing is done by the executed itself.

Because of this, many dwarves end up living out their days in shame on the ground. These 'outcasts', like all dwarves, enjoy flying, and find the ultimate profession to be a low-altitude airship captain, engineer, or sailor. Exiled from the great cities, they are forced to trade and coexist with other races, and their talents are valued highly.

Exiled dwarves and non-exiled ones avoid eachother at all costs, as a confrontation might end up with combat, which neither side wants.

>>7774288
I kind of liked the idea that all dwarves that die on the surface return as the undead, drawn to fire.

>>7774313
>>7774288
No reason they can't be both. They can go down to the surface, but should they die, they find no rest, forever seeking their sacred peace in fire.

>>7774218
Webcomic I guess.
I could post about it once when it starts, but any more would be uncalled for.

>>7774288
Sounds good. Very good.

>>7774199
I'd pay ten dollars to read it.

>>7774329
I can imagine a short comic... with the orcs and the dwarves at it still, building up towards the heavens. Each enlists the help of other races, such as the halflings, gnolls, elves and hobgoblins to help them reach their goal before the other one can. Finally, they are nearing their destination, closing in, nearly to the sun/moon...

When they see those fucking gnomes are already there. God damn it.

>>7774350
Note, I am not the guy who said he would make a comic though.

>>7774313
That's good too; I was mainly going with this so that we have dwarven airships plying the skies as merchants and traders.

Incidentally, I was the Anon with the Rakshasa Mages idea; I mainly meant it as an excuse for cities when the only ones were either Dwarven, flying, Orcish, towers, or Elven, flotillas. But I think it could still work; Rakshasas that construct/grow/adopt a city as their center of wizardly power, (Including a wizards tower at the center), and it's every wizard with a city and wizard's tower against every other wizard w/ city and Wizard tower. (I've read Sourcery recently, I like the idea of mages sending potshots at their rivals towers from half a continent away.

Btw, if anyone is interested, the other two threads are archieved and can be found here:

thread 1: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/7765656/

Thread 2: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/7768573/

>>7774329
>>7774350
What would /tg/ like the main characters to be?
None of the races can qualify as a 'base' race, so it's an adventure however it starts!

>>7774365
Orcs already are our "tower" people already, I thought. Although I am now imagining a dorf city blasting a huge boulder at a distant orc tower. But rather than topple, the tower recoils with the boulder, stretching back like a catapult until.... woosh! Sends it right back at the dorf city, with them barely dodging in time.

Epilogue: A human stands over the ruins of their tribes current camp, completely crushed beneath a gigantic boulder while they were out hunting. The human screams "WHYYYYYYY"

>>7774376
Hmmm... gnome and halfling definately, they have such interesting personalities and world views. Although that can really be said of all the races... damn... we made this decision too hard, we brought it upon ourselves!

>>7774399
They aren't to be 'massive tower' dudes, more 'wizard tower' dudes. Anyone here played Age of Wonders II?

>>7774376
A dorf captain with an old minotaur(bosun) and an old elf(navigator) as part of crew, plying the trade routes between the archipelago, the north, the swamp and the great desert?

Maybe a controlled crashlanding in the north, then a hunt for an ogre to get some tallow to burn and get the airship up again?

>>7774431
Shadow Magic is better.

>>7773565
love the rendering of the tarr-beast

I think of the Gnomes as lawful Neutral. They are all connected, however slightly, and thus are able to communicate and act better as a whole than the average race. Neutral because they honestly care not for the struggles of other races (although none of the races seem to either). Perhaps lawful good.

Gnolls I see as true neutral, traders and sailors, living their lives on the seas, they have no true alliances, simply trading with all nations they are able to, gaining much strength in the process.

Halflings... difficult, since they have so many contradicting ideas. I'd say chaotic neutral, with their care going mostly to their own family, and though an "organized" group, they still are rather mad to an outsider looking in.

Hobgoblins would be neutral good, I'd think. They have too much order to be chaotic, but are not orderly enough to be truly lawful. They care for their people and their spirits dutifully.

Humans would also be true neutral: it is hard to take a stand when you live in a vast desert, just barely making it by. Sure they have honor and strength, but survival of themselves and their people is important.

Goblins would probably be chaotic evil. They do trade with other groups, such as the elves, gnolls and halflings, but they at the same time raid them (besides the halflings). They also have strange, secret dark cults.

I don't know about dorfs and orcs...

>>7774431
Nope, just baldur's gate.

>>7774438
No minotaur. Instead, perhaps a gnoll, if you are going that route of sea life. If not, I still say a gnome and halfling should be a part of the group. Hell, even on the water.

>>7774528
Although if they are a member of the crew, there would probably be no shortage of gnolls. Still, the minotaur seems strange and out of place. Not to meantion they are one of our least fleshed out and settled races.

Humans and orcs have a very strained relationship. It is most natural, as the humans used to be the "dominant", if you will, race on in Teegeetia but due to the Second Cataclysm, they were cast down from their high pillars, and landed in the dirty sand. The orcs have now claimed much of the old human cities, as well as their civilization in general. This did happen many hundred years ago, but the few humans who are left refuse to acknowledge this as only natural, that all empires must fall. This rivalry is mostly amongst humans, as orcs couldn't care less about what a few ragtag groups of sand-people think.

This makes the everyday life for a human nomad group quite complicated at times, especially when they are forced to do business with the orcs, trading tarr-poop (glass) for materials and food not found in the desert. However, nowadays it is mostly the older generations who still hold this grudge, the younger humans realize that they will die out, if they not seek aid with the orcs, who, considering all the other races, are most like us.

Now, what this Second Cataclysm was, and for that matter the First, I shall have to think about.

Wait, so is this like the Unified Setting without furry?

>>7774454
I like 'em all, though the original AoWII campaign PISSED ME OFF because I spent the fire levels leveling up my heroes into unstoppable badassess, and then had to start the water levels all over again.
I'm afraid #1 was my favorite, though.


Also, Humans; Rovers, raiders, desert clans, etc.
I'm using
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTWzjbjutI
as inspiration. (With a touch of the Azarcs from the previously mentioned game.)

I liked the bit from the first thread about them being speed freaks; religious celebrations almost always include races, they breed horses that are the fastest in the world, a good horse is worth it's weight in gold. Having an affinity for air and fire, if you will, from the speeds they and winds they love and live in, and the blazing heat of the deserts they rule.

Believe that if when they die, the soul is let free as a wind spirit, able to literally travel as fast as the wind. Use charms that, if they die with one, prevent them from being brought back with necromancy.

>>7774528

I'd think both once and twice about bringing a gnome on such a venture. The gnomes are all connected through the hive-unconsciousness, and the longer a gnome stays away from the mother-bubble, as well as the bubble-cities, he becomes increasingly depressed. A link to his entire people slowly eradicating away, day by day.

It would be some plot hook to drive this gnome out into the world.

>>7774563
Don't forget, there are humans outside the desert. That is just their main land. The humans outside the desert don't get along with humans that remained in the desert, and vice-versa. We haven't quite set aside what the humans outside the desert are like though, although we know they do not have the tarrs. Perhaps they are similar to plains indians, following the herds.

>>7774541
>minotaurs
So flesh them out. just a moment ago, I suggested that they loathe humans. Would have to keep him locked up while trading with them, only to be released while another tribe raids the ship while most of the crew is off haggling.

>>7774575
I think the outside the desert ones should be the ones to be more focuses on speed. The desert livers are a more patient lot. And horses seem a bit plain, as long as we are making up our own fantastical world.

>>7774625
Minotaurs seem strange here, but ah well. Was it decided whether they would be mostly slaves or not?

>>7774575
>>7774599
the humans from out side the desert can be the speed freaks from the first thread. do to the lack of tarrs the non-desert human culture evolved differently.

>>7774563
Hey, we've got to get our ancient Netherese dungeons and ruined cities SOMEWHERE. Anyway, 'smart orcs' feels like we're just switching it up for the sake of the switch.

Orcs concentrate on castles, spires, and of course, stretching-into-the-heavans towers. (Likely magically reinforce, only built on the best of areas (Which are valuable enough that orks will wage wars for good bedrock foundations))

Humans have ancient, weathered, decaying cities, rumored to be haunted, some infested with demons, with artifacts of the Ancient Empire (whatever it was) waiting to be claimed.

(I'm vaguely imagining the Ancient Empire to have some sort of Roman-style Empire.

Occasionally, sites still identifiable will be discovered, for instance, a certain section of the Great desert, rumored to be a battlefield outside a legendary lost city, where nothing grows. Even for a desert, no insects live in this area, no plants, no animal even ENTERS the area, and where corroded black remnants of armor and weapons can still be found among the sands.

>>7774475
then enjoy some more

>>7774691
>to have some sort
to have BEEN some sort, sorry.

>>7774694
Thank you :)
I was the one that first suggested the tarr, so this gives me a warm feeling.

I feel we have yet to discuss one of the major factors in any new setting; Magic.

We already have halfling necromancy, dwarven sun worship (where the power of belief grants them magical powers more than any actual god.) Furthermore, the hobgoblin shamans, as well as the elves practice a more primitive spirit worship, where "ghosts", or residual soul energy lingers on in our world, and a mind correctly attuned to them could harness their power and perform extraordinary feats. "Correctly attuned", in the hobbos case, high as fuck, and with the elves it is more of the constant exposure to the Sea of Spirits (their name for the oceans).

However, this still implies that there is another dimension to the world, a dimension of energy, which is just beyond our grasp. Now, seeing as all the previously mentioned uses of magic never is tapped straight from the "Energy" but always use some sort of middle-man (necromancy is just a matter of never getting the energy to leave a body etc.), gives me the sense that penetrating the Energy-barrier straight up is a nigh impossible task for any mortal. Therefore I propose that direct mages, or wizards more or less doesn't exist at all. Sure, you could have people more or less in tune with the Energy, but no means exist that will enable them to fully use their potential without dying or something. Entire sections of Orcish (as well as ancient Human) universities have been devoted to Energy-studies, but none has found a solution...yet.

How about instead of the legs being bull, they are normal human legs, and the torso, arms and head are bull. You may wonder how they manage to do battle without actual hands, just hooves. But that is because you forget that the minos are masters of unarmed combat. They need no metal gauntlets, their hooves are naturally harder than steel, with blows strong enough to send heads flying, should the time come. However, they are a naturally peaceful, meditative race, which is thought to be why they have been enslaved before.

I still say that how much bull and how much man a minos is is randomly determined at both. They are born looking like the classical minotaur, but in their first few months of life, their body porportions shift around, until they come to their final shape. some minotaurs have cloven feet and horns. Others just have strong arms and hooves. The The shape their body takes and forms to decides their fate in life, which caste they are sent to.

>>7774691

I'm not saying the orcs are especially smart, I'm just saying that orcs and humans are more or less equal in terms of intellect, pride and other things.

>>7774671
[just an idea]
Minotaurs are generally slaves, used particularly for grunt work and menial labor, utilizing their incredible strength.

Some, however, are free, and wander the land as mercenaries, laborers, or whatever.

The human desert-tribes tend to get on well with minotaurs, as the tremendous strength of one lends it great ability in combat, something they can readily respect.

>>7774671
I don't think so. I think, after someone first mentioned them and the kenku, the kenku were made out as the main slaves of the dorfs.

And the minotaur are either peace-loving miners or peace loving miners that hate humans.

What's the tarr, and where are humans in this setting?

>>7774724
I like it. Magic is used through ritual or natural skills or other such things, not so much through spells. For instance, Humans are the ones who can become sorcs, seen by their people as blessed by their religion, given the strength to shape the world. This isn't powerful like a normal sorc however, it is more raw from lack of training or finesse. Dorfs have a spiritual, more cleric-y magic, halflings are necromancers. Gnomes are psions. Goblins could be warlocks, making dark pacts in their shadowy cults for their powers. How is this sounding?

>>7774797
Tarr are like mini tarrasques, however tarrasques are not violent in this world, but rock eaters. Tarrs eat sand in the vast deserts the main humans we discuss live in, and poop out molten glass. The finest molten glass around, useful for trading and making into various wares the humans need.

>>7774798
sounds good to me.

>>7774779
I think they should be a caste society, one that is generally peaceful if they can be. They are the society where monks come from, meditative, able to shape the strength of their own bodies. The magic their people can gain is an extension of this, and the way their bodies are each different. Some of the minos are shapeshifters.

>>7774862
As in, it is being said that the magic that the minos can learn is the art of shapeshifting.

>>7774745
?

>>7774724
I think I like the societal magic so far endorsed. ie. no FUCKING FIREBALLS UP YOUR ARSE wizards, but rather the shamans, druids and priests, with the jovial necromancers having it as part of their culture.

So while this is a high-magic world, the magic is not concentrated enough to allow the usual antics.

Maybe there are magicka of different kinds?
The sun-magic for dorfs, warmth and light.
The sea-magic for elves, maybe this is what makes the sea-ogres tallow so good?
The air-magic for the orcs, to keep their towers from toppling.
The earth-magic for the tarr, and at a lesser extent, for the humans.
The life-magic of the halflings.

And now I think that sounds a bit too much like MtG, but meh.

>>7774798
Personally, I've never been fond of psions, and warlocks seem like anyone could be one (everyone's got a soul to sell).

I think the Rakshasas, if they are to be a part, should be the classic 'tome, spellbook, alchemy, etc' wizards, and, of note, the ancient human civilization were once the greatest wizards in the world (Anyone can become a wizard). Rakshasas are generally the most powerful wizards.

This allows for anyone to get standard wizard-magic, if they can get their hands on a tome and the willpower/intelligence to use it.

Possibility; Wizardry can either vastly improve your natural magical affinity (Humans would be air and/or fire, elves would be water/sea/ocean, dwarves, fire and understanding air (for aerodynamics, of course), orcs earth, etc, etc.), or allow you to gain skill in things outside your affinity?

>>7774798

Yeah, that's kinda what I was going for. Different cultures have developed different ways to tap into the Energy. Humans are seemingly just born with an affinity to magic, without needing much in rituals and other stuff. They can't do very impressive things, but sand-bending, starting small fires is still very useful for a nomadic tribe. This fluke of genetics has caused some to speculate that humans of ancient times (before the Cataclysm) had indeed mastered the art of tapping into the Energy, and that the Energy somehow made an impression in their very blood, passing it along generation after generation. Not much of the Great Human Cities remain, and those few ruins that still stands, are reputadely haunted with spirits, and maybe even horrid Creatures of Energy that have slipped through some crack in the Barrier.

And the gnomes collective unconsciousness is powerful enough to weaken the Barrier, granting them some very special abilities. (psion, that is)

However, I am not sure about orcs.

>>7774900
Yes, but not anyone would sell their soul. The goblin culture with it's secret cthulu cults gives rise to this sort of thing.

Autosage, new thread?

>>7774933
Yes, just as this one was starting to get good again.

>>7774894

Yeah, but this is more of a direct consequence of their culture, their magic affinity is shaped in how they live their life, not the other way around.

The problem with orcs is their culture makes them the best to be straight up mages. But that doesn't appear in this world so much. Something can be found, I'm sure.

>>7774975
Make the orcs artificers that fits there racial character.

New thread!

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