Fucking, uh, Hrmm. Fire our massive bazooka in front of the enemy fighters.

Aim for right in front of them.

Do we have grenades? I forgot. Toss them.

Intel dropped the ball... I think we need to have a word with them after we get out of this...

>>7495394

Ahahaha the ol Military Intelligence trick.

>>7495394

Did we bring the MG or not? I can't recall if we decided on that.

At any rate, keep shooting. Even with a bazooka, we should be able to handle a handful of fighters on our own - especially with the Gaw's help.

Also, did we gain enough altitude to be able to avoid the flak AA? If not, we should do that.

>>7495480
yup.

fairly consistent too, this ball dropping habit of theirs.
I would bet someone high up has it in for Garma. We'll have to look into this once we finish up wiping the floor with feddie scum here.

>>7495394
Would it be more efficient to switch to out MG at this point? Seems like it would be better against fighters than a bazooka, even with our lucky first hit.

Once the ambush fighters are taken care of, increase altitude to avoid the ground AA.

Priority target is the Minovsky-generating plane. Kill that and we might be able to get a message out. Also, as soon as we run out of frag ammo for the bazooka we should switch to the MG; the fighters can probably dodge other types of rocket.

Check on the situation with the Dopps and the rest of our squad.

Since the Hildolfr does have its Zaku arms, see if it can literally throw grenades out the back of its Gaw onto the AAA.

Get the Dodais back to cover our bellies.

>>7495531
we dont have one, have we used our Panzerfausts yet ?

>>7495527

Mmm. We should bring it up with Garma discreetly once this mess is over. Perhaps he can have our old friend Incognito look into things? He does have a track record of being rather good at what he does, after all.

>>7495527
...aw, FUCK.

Yeah, it all makes a lot more sense now.

I think that at some point during this quest we're going to have to have a chat with that mask-wearing son of a bitch.

Your Gaw rocks violently as another barrage of missiles from the Saberfish gouge holes in it's belly. You can see smoke billowing out from the undercarriage. You hope the landing gear hasn't been hit.

You rush as far forwards as you dare and pull out your 90mm. You fire a short burst at a passing Fighter and are rewarded with it bursting into flames as you scores a couple of hit's on it's engines.

You swing your gun around firing short careful bursts at the enemy. You manage to clip another, forcing it to disengage.
You dodge to the side, narrowly avoiding a salvo of rockets, the wing behind you however is not so lucky.
Explosions shake the plane and black smoke begins to billow from the engine. You're not sure but you think it's starting to tilt to one side.

You fire back at the offending fighter, a bullet strikes it clean in the cockpit and though smoke and metal are trailing behind it, you notice that it's still heading straight towards you on a collision couse.

Whether or not you could have dodged the offending vehicle is considered moot as you see a metal heat lash, whip around its nose and then in a highly smooth motion, Zolomon's Gouf flips around (still on his Dodai) and hurls the wrecked plane into another one in a giant ball of flame.

"SIR! I think it's time to get off this plane!"

KILLS
You: 2 Saberfish
Zolomon: 1 Saberfish (that you know of)

YOUR ORDERS?

>>7495546
I'd forgotten about those.

Apologized, we know the Hildolfr can't really use its main gun from inside its Gaw. But could we have it hold a Panzerfaust with the Zaku portion, lean out the back and use that on the AAA?

>>7495546
Yeah we do. Look back to when OP confirmed our final loadout. We took the big bazooka and the smaller MG, with a panzerfaust on the back instead of crackers.

Order the Gaws to ground. Get as close as we safely can, then bail.

>>7495610
jump onto the back of the other gaw

if that wont work, have zolomon get into the safe gaw and give up his dodai for us to use.

It should hold together long enough to get us into the still intact gaw.
Inform our fubar'd gaw crew to bail out

>>7495610
>Whether or not you could have dodged the offending vehicle is considered moot as you see a metal heat lash, whip around its nose and then in a highly smooth motion, Zolomon's Gouf flips around (still on his Dodai) and hurls the wrecked plane into another one in a giant ball of flame.

Make sure to ask Zolomon if he's still unsure about the Gouf's weapon.

>>7495610

Cover Garma while he escape, Keep guarding him as much as we can. Tell him to be careful and that a mans first responsiblilty is to protect those he care for.

>>7495635
This. See if they can manage a landing too. Once we hit the ground we'll have to take out the ground units before they converge on the damaged Gaw.

>>7495610

Well, it seems Zol is still doing his Hax Newtype thing.

We don't really have much choice other than to bail out. Lets leg it down to the ground and prepare to have to deal with enemy tanks. Get soem good scans of the area on the way down - see if we can see any hidden ambushes.

>>7495662
garma is in the other gaw, he's safe and cozy
the gaw we are riding was/is empty.

>>7495662
This isn't the best time for speeches. Focus on knocking out that MP Scattering plane.

>>7495600

Also I don't think Char is in on this one. He's busy up in space, and hasn't even been assigned to Garma yet. I'm sure that the Zabis would have other enemies anyway. (I have a couple of crackpot theories on who's behind this, but i'll refrain from sounding off on them unless more evidence pops up.)

>>7495610
Kill the Minovsky plane. We ride the Gaw down until we're close enough to the ground to make it without trashing our jets, then jump off. Try to land on one of those flak tanks if possible, then we put our Heat Saber in one hand, the MG in another and start using DOM SPEED to tear the AAA apart.

Thank Zol for the save and then tell him to head back and keep the other Gaw in the air.

>>7495684
But there is always time for speeches.

But, yes, Shoot down that Minovsky plane... Hope like hell it doesn´t go nuclear like the Slug did. I mis understood the situation my last post.

stay airborne

we need to get on the other gaw. I know we can't mario from one fight to the next but we should be able to jump onto the back of something as xboxhueg as a gaw.

Our current gaw crew is going to have to bail out and hope for the best. Such is war.

We need to keep this train rolling on to new york no matter what. It's pretty clear that they knew we were coming and if they can slow us down and force us to the ground, its going to be 1500 miles of foot-slogging fending off constant feddie ambushes/attacks.

Get. On. The. Other. Damn. Gaw

>>7495852
And take the enemies to Garma?

Seeing how it is the AA and Minovski plane that fucks us over right now we NEED to deal with them.

Man, I thought I'd missed this completely!

Ok, Is Garma suited up and ready to jump? Because jumping from this decoy Gaw to his isn't a good plan unless we're sure he can get away. At this point, making it to ground is probably the best option: AA Tanks aren't as big a threat to MS as missile-armed planes.

Where are the Squad? Get a sitrep on them, see who can disengage to cover Garma if he jumps.

>Apologized, we know the Hildolfr can't really use its main gun from inside its Gaw. But could we have it hold a Panzerfaust with the Zaku portion, lean out the back and use that on the AAA?

No, it cant really lean that far out, and even if it could it can't switch to MA mode because that will sever the parachute connections.

>>7495647
>jump onto the back of the other gaw

Doable, if a little difficult. You think you could probably manage it.

>if that wont work, have zolomon get into the safe gaw and give up his dodai for us to use.

>It should hold together long enough to get us into the still intact gaw.
>Inform our fubar'd gaw crew to bail out

They are WAAAAY ahead of you. You can already see parachutes fluttering out behind you.

You quickly make the jump, using your backpack thrusters (which complain at your heavy use.) check your angle of approach and you just manage to make it aboard.

You see the other Gaw spiral down towards the ground.
The remaining Heavy fighters are currently disengaging.

"It looks like we've managed to see them off... Hopefully the ejecting crew will be okay."

Below you a giant mushroom cloud explosion blooms.

"You know, now that you mention it. It HAS been a while since we saw a mushroom cloud isn't it?" Zolomon notes.

>>7495927
"Yeah, it has."

Shoot down the Feddie Minovsky-spreading plane.

"Let's see if we can get a second one to make up for that."

>>7495927

So, how did the rest of our team and the Dopps fare in this little ambush?

I've got to say, Zeon high command must have a mole.

We need to root it out.

>>7495927

WE DRAW THE LINE HERE.

Sodomise everything Feddie you can see with your weapons.

Do we have any Bazooka ammo left? And where is the rest of the squad, are they completely engaged?

/tg/ - Quests

>>7495927
As everyone else has been saying: Kill the Feddie minovski emitter.

>>7495927
>>7496022
Agree, Now David Lister is mad... MA´s will Fall from the sky today.

>>7495973
i second killing the minovplane

>>7495973
You can't spot it anywhere nearby, it's most certainly scarpered after you dealt with fighters.

>>7495991
>So, how did the rest of our team and the Dopps fare in this little ambush?

After about five minutes the forces return, it looks like 8 or so Dopps caught the chop, your forces seem to have fared better. Jolyne reports 4 kills, and even Shiro's managed get his first set of kills with two Saberfish. Though from the looks of his suit and Dodai, they didn't go easily.

You all fly in a close formation, with the Dopps that need repair and rearmament being cycled through the Gaw's parasite bays.

You keep a careful watch as this happens, but luckily it seems that no more attacks are forthcoming.

Garma addresses you all over the short range comms.

"I thank all of you brave gentlemen, for weathering that storm. I sincerely hope that our comrades in the other Gaw have all survived, and if they are captured by enemy forces that the Federation enemy observe the laws of war."

A sobering thought, that reminds you of the village in Arizona.

A few hours later your bruised band of brothers land at New York.

>>7496192
>>7496192
make sure to congratulate the newguy on his kills

Also make sure to admonish Garma on not thinking things through before acting. His nobility be damned. He almost got us all killed. Also, that there is likely a mole in the zeon infrastructure feeding them intelligence on our maneuvers.

>>7496192

So, wait. What happened to Ruubens/Elaine? Was she in Garma's Gaw or what?

Take a deep breath, check for snipers, then land and leave MS to escort Garma personally.

And ask him if he thinks this might be due to some kind of security breach in his staff.

>>7496267

This, Then tell Garma we need to talk to him later.

This attack was way too cordinated to have just been "OH LOOK 2 GAWs, LET`S ATTACK THEM!" from Remnant forces. After all, Would Remnants truly have access to a Minovsky Generator? A Airborne on at that.

Later that day, after escorting Garma and Icelina to a somewhat tearful reunion with her father, you and Garma return to the Hotel where you are all staying. Garma plans to see the troops tommorow, and then be home at the end of the week.
Around about 8, there is a knock at your room.
You check the door through the cubby hole, it is Incognito along with Zolomon.

>>7496304
Second

>>7496308
>>7496308
>Ruby MIA

>>7496308
This this this. Where the fuck is Ruubens?

>>7496304
In Garma's defense, a spur of the moment decision to head to New York with his new girlfriend should actually have made it harder for the Feddies to find us; the trip wasn't being announced until a day or two before at most and so they wouldn't have had much time to prepare.

Which means that there's got to be a mole, and that it's probably relatively close to him. We should definitely talk to him about that, and about the need for Zeon to start doing the things I mentioned in the previous thread. Tie those plans into the "improved policing/peace-keeping in occupied regions" thing too.

>>7496337
Before we let them in, is Zolo in front of Incognito? As if Incognito may have a gun to his back?

>>7496304
How did he almost get us killed? He stayed in his Gaw like a good liability.

>>7496304

Waht? When did Garma do somehting silly/not thinking things through?

He had the Idea for this mission, but it was all planned out by us and the Generals. It was as safe asn any VIP transit would have been.

(I agree on the IT"S A SPY thing though. We need to get Incognito working on flushing that guy out.)

>>7496356
This.
Looks like Incognito is way ahead of us however.

>>7496364
Well, he was thinking with his heart instead of his head.

>>7496304
I'm also ok with this. If no one else will be hard on him, we will be.

where is ruubens
.
where is jolyne
.
get a sidearm ready, and sidestep when opening the door, and second on who is at the door first?

>>7496337

Look for a gun of any sort being held or concealed by either of them. Then let them in.

Let incognito talk first - no need to go ranting on about our wild theories that are his department.

>>7496326
Also, this attack is probably going to cost the Feddies whatever set of hidden facilities they launched it from; there are only so many spots to have stuck them within range of where we got jumped, and that whole area's probably going to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb now.

They knew exactly who was on board that flight.

>>7496337

Barge in, Without gun. Say "Long time no see, How´s the Darker side of Zeon doing?"

Act calm, listen to what Coggie has to say, and be ready at any moment to throw a chair at him and then punch him in the throat and the balls simultaneously. Just in case.

>>7496370
Spah sappin' mah Zabi?

It's more likely than you'd think.

>>7496352

Oh sorry. She's fine. She just didn't do anything notable that was all.

She's got plot armour anyway, she's Tobia Arronax's great grandmother.

Anyway, you let Incognito and Zolomon into your room.

"Gentlemen, to what do I owe the pleasure?"

"David. We have a spy." Says Incognito.

"To be fair, I WAS beginning to suspect. I mean the first time in months that we get a major air incusion into central USA and it just HAPPENS to happen to the flight carrying Garma Zabi?"

Incognito nods.

"Yeah, they're not being very subtle about it are they? I've know for about a months now that we had a leak somewhere fairly high up in the command, and with all of the double blinds and sealed orders going on with this OP, I've got a name. From the looks of things, at the very least Captain Kilroy is our man. A more detailed look at his Side 6 bank account largely confirmed this. Problem is, I can trace his whereabouts well enough to realise that we've got at least one other security leak here, and that's what we need to find out from Captain Kilroy."

"Which is of course going to be problematic, as it was Captain Kilroy and his Gaw that wen't down this afternoon."

"You see my dilemma. David, I need you help, I want you're unit to escort me and group of handpicked specialists, back to where the Gaw went down, track down the federation forces, and recapture Captain Kilroy. I suppose we could also free all of the Zeon POW's whilst were at it too."

"Wont that mean having to leave Garma unattended?"

"Hopefully, we can end this mission before the end of the week and Garma can be alloted a replacement guard." Incognito supplies.

"Ultimately however, it's up to you, I CAN pick other MS pilots from the NY area, but your unit is the unit I trust to actually get the job done."

YOUR ORDERS?

I say we bring Garma with us.

>>7496546
>She's got plot armour anyway, she's Tobia Arronax's great grandmother.

Which means she will keep her maiden name when married or have a child out of wedlock...

Anyway, we're doing this mission and we're going to put the fear of Lister into this traitor.

>>7496546
Hmm. If this is a covert mission, then the Hidolfr is going to stand out way too much. I say a single squad should do - us, Zolomon and one other. Leave the other three to look after Garma.

So yeah, let's do some more Covert Ops shenannigans.

>>7496561
Madness.

>>7496546
Take Garma with us, explain away his disappearance as being "private time".

If we want Garma to stop being so isolated from what the war is really like, it's time to give him a more up-close-and-personal experience.

Also, he owes Captain Traitorface a boot to the nads.

You know guys, we should go find Mineva and serve under her. All the other Zabi are fucking nuts, at least she's sane and adorable. And doesn't have Char trying to kill her.

>>7496561
Nah, He need his Lovey dovey time with Icelina.

Instead, Send Zolomon,Jolyne and the Hilda.

Zolomon is a far better MS pilot, and we need to train the rookie.

And who knows what might happen with Garma whith all this politcal humbug.

>>7496561
>>7496607
I'm okay with this.

>>7496597
Sparta.

>>7496572
Elaine Lister Arronax...

I can dig it. But perhaps I've said too much.

>>7496572
Child out of wedlock, huh?

After the war is over and we've no longer got the whole "fraternization out of rank" thing to worry about, perhaps we'd better contribute our genes to the effort. It would help explain at least part of Tobia Arronax's awesomeness.

I say we take Zolomon, Ruubens and Garma (give him some up close experience). Jolyne, Shiro and Hovis to make it look like they're guarding Garma here.

>>7496546
>>7496630
I agree with this. Garma is deep in Zeon Territory, nothing bad can happen to him while he's lounging in New York for two weeks while we go off to be badass.

>>7496546
Normally i'd say leave Zol to protect Garma since we know he's more than capable but I'm getting the feeling incognito wants Zol along.

I say go with the old 321 Team since Jolyne wont be as useful inside of NY with her AA artillery.

>>7496624

I wouldn´t mind that. Haman is a pretty cool gal, And we might get to mentor/Adopt Puru... And that would be AWESOME.

We should make that our goal after saving Garma from Char.

>>7496624
Isn't she also an infant at this point?

>>7496561

"We could always bring Garma with us?"

There's a brief pause.

"... oh very funny, yes you got me good for a minute there. Yes, let's take Garma Zabi, the prince of zeon on a top secret mission against unknown enemy forces. This isn't going to result in Degwin Zabi or any number other individuals with more medals and brass than your kitchen from castrating us with a rusty poker at all!"

>Anyway, we're doing this mission and we're going to put the fear of Lister into this traitor.

You agree to go with him on this little black op.

"Excellent! I'll talk to the relevant authorities about your temporary transfer. We'll be up bright and early, so I hope you haven't gotten TOO used to 8 hours of sleep."

"Oh joy."

TO BE CONTINUED

>>7496630
Still saying that if we want to make Garma both more badass and more capable of understanding the world outside of the rarefied circles he usually moves in, taking him with us would help a lot.

Let's us, Zolomon, and Garma go. We need to toughen him up. Get a level head on his shoulders. With us and Zol at his side, we won't let anything bad happen to him.

>>7496649

Hm. A double-blind might work, but it'd give Incognito a fit. Then again, he might be safer like this, if us, him and incognito are the only ones in on it.

Hm. His Zaku is distinctive, though. Hm. Have Ookawara paint up the Covert team's suits in El Muerto Skull-pattern paints?

>>7496561
this, garma needs us, and we need to teach him the value of non ms asskicking and spywork

>>7496649
No, we have to leave Ruubens behind, because she's the only member of our squad who can look androgynous enough to double for Garma.

>>7496687
Time to make sure Garma comes along anyway.

But do it quietly.

I'm against taking Garma. We might have trained him to up his survivability in a regular fight, but for a covert mission against a secret Feddie army, I think we're better off leaving him out of it.

Lister, Zol and Ruebens. Load for bear, it sounds like we won't be too far from our old hunting grounds, and we should be prepared for one-armed newtypes and other shenanigans to make a reappearance.

>>7496687

Well, yes. Madness.

I still second painting the covert team all up in Skelly colours, though. Just for how awesome it would look.

>>7496687
Just out of curiosity, Apologized, what's our current status as far as fucking with the canon events?

>>7496624
I hope we dont end up in a situation where we need to serve under Mineva. If we do it means we've seriously screwed up.

In the event that we keep Germa alive we just ask him to convince his big bro to drop Big Zam on Jaburo. That thing pulverizes their anti-air defenses so that half of our Gaw's arnt shot down in the main assault.

>>7496704
>Double blind

Just give Garma Elain's old mustache. It's foolproof! Incognito will never know the difference.

>>7496786
You know, if the Zabis survive, Char will most likely split off and form his Neo-Zeon early, ending up with the RX-78 Casval Custom Gundam, and we'll end up in a war between Zeon, Char's Zeon, and the Federation Reminants lead by Amuro and his G-3 Gundam, which is still running around fucking EVERYTHING'S shit up.

>>7496791

Yes he will, Garma´s hair is one of a kind. Within moments he will want to run his hand through it and realize who Garma really is.

>>7496823
Not to mention our old buddy Paptimus, who's still probably going to find some way to use his position at Jupiter to make things more confusing.

>>7496755
>Apologized, what's our current status as far as fucking with the canon events?

Off the top of my head:

Instead of the Jormagund being tested at Loum, the 603rd test out the LOKI Minovsky Particle Emitter, which is part of Operation Elephant instead.
This is a big change as it results in Strauss being your CO, as opposed to being Shin Matsunaga's wingman.

Beam weapon research time has been reduced by about 3 weeks.

The 63rd supply depot was only badly damaged, not destroyed by the Sermovente Team in Arizona.

Gabriel Zola from AoZ was in the 67th depot

Garma has used his Zaku in (mock) combat on earth, and is more likely to use it over the Dopp.

Largely pacified southern USA.

Certain models and refits, such as the Dom Prototype and the F2 pack have arrived about a month early.

The Hildolfr is out of the prototype phase and may be mass produced in the future.

>>7496755
My guess is nothing too major yet. We may have streamlined Zeon's R&D scheduling between kicking ass with various prototypes and stealing that info on beam weapons, but major events have yet to occur. Once we meet Char, things will start happening fast and furious.

>The Hildolfr is out of the prototype phase and may be mass produced in the future.

It's over the federation is finished

>>7496900
Hey, is there any way we can get ourselves assigned to Cyclops Squadron, and run around blowing shit up with Shin and Johnny as our Wingmen?

>>7496823

The best thing we can do with that situation is to convince Char that he should only take revenge on Old man Zabi.

And that he is a selfish dick to extend a pointless war all while dragging a whole country ...No... A whole Superpower into ruin and killing off countless soldiers in vain, Just so he can have his petty revenge.

After all that is not how he should act if were the true leader of Zeon. Are not the people the most important part of Zeon after all?

>>7496955
most important part of zeon is RAGE AND SIEG

>>7496955
Also, perhaps we could put his sister in charge at the end of it.

But yeah, Degwin and Gihren are the only Zabis that definitely need to die.

>>7496900
>Hildolfr may be mass produced in the future.

Fuck yes! A handfull of these could probably win Odessa!

>>7496955
Yeah, the problem is Ghiren and Kycillia are bigger dicks, and if he has to blow up a few people to get shit done, he'd probably do it. Dozle, I can see an arguement for, since even though Amuro saw the "Evil Spirit" behind him, in Canon he was supposedly pretty damn awesome to his troops, and treated them like close friends and family.

>even though Amuro saw the "Evil Spirit" behind him, in Canon he was supposedly pretty damn awesome to his troops, and treated them like close friends and family.

Well yeah, there WAS an evil spirit behind Dozle. It was called Gihren Zabi.

Don't worry guys.

I... have a plan.

>>7497008
Assuming Garma lives, is Kycillia potentially redeemable?

>>7497062
Oh? Care to share that plan with us?

>>7497062
Don't have A plan. Have many plans for many contingencies. Otherwise, we're just on a railroad.

>>7497008
This has bugged the hell out of me forever, wtf is that "Evil Spirit" supposed to be actually?

>>7497099

She didn't seem too bad. Granted, thinking that Ghiren is a massive twat is not necesarially grounds for being a decent person, I don't recall any mention of her condoning or being involved in anything near the level of shit that Ghiren tried.

>>7497120

It's more of a general idea of what would happen if Garma lives to be honest with you.

How to do that? Well, I've got a couple of ideas...

>>7497099
No clue. I do know however, that at the end of the novel, Kycillia joined up with Char, Kai and the White Base, shot Ghiren herself, then Char flicked her with his Rick Dom and killed her. It was an amusing bit of asshattery.

>>7497126

Newtype hax.

Either that, or Amuro's been tripping on some really, really bad acid.

As I see it, the real deadline for us is sometime in October. Once GMs start coming off the lines, we're in serious trouble no matter what, because we start hitting the "Federation driving Zeon into the ground with sheer weight of numbers" thing.

>>7497173
I always thought that it was Dozle´s fighting spirit and that he didn´t give up, Even after death, And that freaked Amuro out since he hadn´t faced such a strongwilled person until then.

And Dozle had every reason not to give up, He was covering his Daughters escape after all.

>>7497173
This.

Maybe it was a plot thread dropped when the series was cut short.

>>7497242
To be fair, Earthbound Zeon doesn't do too damn bad. They hold Africa until what, 0084?

>>7497151
>Well, I've got a couple of ideas...

You can't say that and not tell us. It's cruel and unusual punishment! We have laws against that over here in Eagleland!

>>7497242
I say the general plan is to make the Feddies surrender before that, One thing we must keep in mind is to stop Revil´s "ZEON IS EXHAUSTED!" speech, It is devastating, Both Moral and Intel wise.

>>7497315

Hasn't that already happened, though? Timeline-wise?

>>7497267
That was nothing more then a guerrilla movement, which probably would have been quashed easily had the war not moved immediately back into space around late October or so.

We're still on the clock here. The question is, how can we maximize what time we do have left before GM Rush drives us back behind the moon?

>>7497267
That's because even in the Universal Century, the rest of the world still doesn't give two shits about what happens to Africa.

>>7497377
I don't like whoring myself, but since I already posted on that one I figured I'd bring it up again. It seems relevant.

>>7497358
Ah, right, Mixing my speeches up, Sorry.

>>7497377
Let´s see, Destroying the gundam is pretty much useless since it was more or less just a decoy, never expected to survive the first deplomen month, Much less war. What we should do would be try upping our inteligence/Spy network, And destroy those GM factories before a major amount of GMs are produced, Doing that will probably drive the Feddies to the negotiations table...

In other words, Pretty much what the Zanscare did against the League Militaire in the Beginning of V Gundam.

We know the Feddies are going to try to rush our positions at some point. We need to decide which ones are worth defending and use those sites to grind down the Federation's numbers.

In a purely defensive situation we can set up networks of cameras and sensors using hardlines to transmit data back to our main firing positions. From there we can accurately and methodically hit advancing Federation forces with high calibur artillery. The Hilda is perfect for this. By itself it's restricted to a weapons range of 20km because that's a far as optical tracking is good for with atmospheric haze and Minovski particles. If she were recieving targeting data from a local network her gun would have an effective indirect firing range of +60 km.

A handfull of 300mm shells hitting a Big Tray while it's on the move would cause the Feddies some severe problems. If we remove their land battleships their Command and control will start to fall appart. Guntanks and GM's would be the next priority after the battleships and then onto the the tank squadrons.

While all of this is happening Squads of MS could busy themselves with wiping away whole formations of enemy tanks or distracted the GM's long enough to take them out fo the fight.

We can do this! We can beat the Federation! SIEG ZEON!

>>7497257
>>7497173
>>7497262
Thanks, this makes sense, the only other explanations I've ever seen are that it's the evil of the Zabi family, which didn't make sense to me because Dozle isn't exactly what I'd call evil.

So far as advice for the thread in general, other than the V Project work going on at Side 7, are there any terrestrial bases where V Project research and development are being conducted? Bases that could, in theory, face the Wrath of Zolomon and company?

>>7497601
I like the way this man thinks. Once we get Hildolfrs into mass production, this plan will be even more effective.

>>7497621

Jaburo had some massive production capability, but that's still a bit out of our reach.

Not sure about any other factories, probably in Asia or Australia, though.

>>7497632
>Once we get Big Zams into mass production, this plan will be even more effective.
>fix't

>>7497653
Other likely facilities include the Fed naval stronghold at Belfast, or their few remaining space strongholds in Luna II or Von Braun City. All of which are still out of our reach as well, unfortunately. North America was mostly Zeon territory during the war.

>>7497678

Indeed.

Somehow, though, I think that mass-producing a big tank that uses conventional weapons is going to be significantly easier than a huge mobile armor with experimental tech, at least with Zeon's limited resources.

>>7497678
>Once we get Rhinos into mass production, this plan will be even more effective.

Even more fix'd.

>>7497694

Hitting Belfast is probably what we'd have ended up doing if we'd picked the Marine MS way back when we got the Proto-Gouf.

Could've been fun, I suppose, but we get higher kill-counts this way.

>>7497718
but WHEN THE BIG ZAM IS MASS-PRODUCED

>>7497704
Even I have to admit, my plan is only to buy time until the strike force of Big Zam's can be built to drop on Jaburo.

>>7497062
In during no one has played full throttle

>>7497765
"Diaper Dinamo"

>>7497753
Proper combined arms tactics are going to be a biggie, I think. Especially with more Hildolfrs.

Perhaps we should suggest the idea of a Hildolfr weapon-swap that would exchange the standard artillery for a beam cannon? It does seem like a logical thought, and would get even more focus on getting beam weaponry widely available.

>>7497915

Indeed, that's a good idea. Once we actually have beam weaponry, mind.

OP gone?

>>7497915
>>7497940
Bah humbug. Lasers will never be as effective as good old-fashioned dakka, you bet your bottom dollar!

>>7497915
Beam weapons, while powerful, still aren't quite as versatile as the Hidolfr's dedicated artillery cannon. Still, we ought to do what we can to get one out, if only as a temporary proof-of-concept unit. We're going to need it very soon.

>>7497915
A thought... Now that Hildorfr will be massproduced...

Does that mean Transformable MS/MA research have been advanced? I know it is still years ahead, with GP-00 being built in like 0083 and even then being ineffective and clumsy, But still.

After all, It does have a small transformation system, Making it the very first TRUE transforming Massproduced unit. TAKE THAT TITANS!

I think you guys are relying on the idea of Hidolfr-spam a little too much. Tigers alone didn't win Germany the war, and along the same lines I don't think expensive artillery should be the frontline standard. I think we should (should we gain enough influence) upgrade existing Zaku II to this proposed model (from the Gundam series that doesn't exist).

>>7498136
It needs head vulcans and a triple-mg on the left wrist, but other than that it looks pretty good.

>>7497940
>>7498014

Yeah, the real point is just to continue the slow process of getting Zeon to put a bit more effort into developing beam weaponry. And the Hildolfr would be a natural platform simply because the increased size and power plant would make designing a beam weapon that you can mount on it easier than designing MS-scale beam weapons.

>>7498136

Ahahahaahhah No.

We're proposing the Hildolfr solution because, compared to Zeon's usual hard-on for ridiclous super-units, it's actually pretty reasonable.

Plus, it helps to cement the validity our combined-arms tactics, which will likely help us do more with less resources, as opposed to mindless LOLZAKUSPAM

>>7498186
Those shoulder-mounted guns are Gatling beam cannon multilasers. Fuck Vulcans.

>>7498244
>Gatling beam cannon
>beam cannon
>beam

Get. Out. Dakka is the way of the future and the past!

>>7498136
>>7498244
Let's try and stay civil people, we're not going to start inventing your Kit Bashes, just because you want to see your made up mobile suits being used. We're going to stick to good hard established MSV.

>>7498213
Yes, Hildolfr is probably one of the few Zeon units that makes sense to massproduce... So it obviously isn´t.

Also, It seems we have already started changing Zeons fighting way into something more balances already. That said, Today was not a good day for the Hildolfr.

But what did you expect? It was a tank... in a Cargo Plane... In Air... Against airplanes...

>>7498355
On that note, what is our theoretical optimum force for Zeon? I'm personally leaning towards Dom Funf or Rick Dom as the MS of choice, with Hildolfr as our ground-based MA. Gelgoogs would be wonderful, but I'm not sure there's any way we can push that suit's development up enough to get them mass-produced before the end.

>>7498355

Well, yeah. I never said it was useless today - of course it can't do anything in that situation.

OTOH, our use of the thing before now has probably prompted some higher-ups into looking at mass-produucing the thing. So it's not all bad.
Better the resources get spent on useful, effective MA like the Hildolfr than crap like Zakrellos or Adzams. Ugh.

>>7498136
>>7498244
Now if somebody ever decided to remake Zeta Gundam, and have some faction that needs to do something with the old Zaku frames to make them useful in combat again, those could be fun.

But nobody ever tried to remake Zeta Gundam, and they certainly didn't try to do it with some half-assed genetic engineering plot proposed by a guy whose voice sounded kind of like Char's.

>>7498420
Our testing of the Proto-Dom will probably kick that up by a few weeks.

We've already accelerated Beam development by 3 or so weeks, and as the feddies start twigging onto stuff that we can capture, we could potentially make the time needed drop drastically.

Combined ground forces of Dom tropen/Funfs with Xamels providing fire support would probably be the easiest to produce, initially at least.
Combined Zaku/Gouf units with Hildolfrs would be similarly useful, although nowhere near as mobile.

This all falls apart in space, though. Up there, Rick Doms and Gelgoogs. If we can delay a retreat into space long enough to pump out craploads of Gelgoogs, the Federation advance would likely stall.

>>7498420

Im leaning to the Funf. Adaptability is great bonus for a massproduced unit.
On the other hand, by the time we can use it we will most likely be back in space... Hard choice really.

So... we might as well go and get the most powerful Zaku ever right away... The Zeta Zaku from ZZ.

>>7498504
Seems like the Xamel could probably be adapted to use in space.

Which would be pretty nice.

>>7498535

>>7498550

A Rick Xamel? Maybe with a Mega Particle Cannon to replace the Artillery gun? Sounds nice.

>>7498504
Our other problem is pilots, though.

Having more and better suits is only part of it; we also need to actually be able to properly train the rookies instead of just desperately throwing them straight onto the battlefield like Zeon was doing towards the end.

Hence my consolidation plan.

>>7498586

Well, we were writing that paper on Combined-arms tactics. But yes, I agree. We should talk to Garma about that.

>>7498550

The Xamel? I love the Xamel, But somethong about it just tells me it not a Space unit, Probably because normally anchors itself into the ground when firing that gun... and without any Ground the massive recoil would probably cause it to spin out of control.

So as cool as the Xamel is, It is pretty much something that only would work on the ground in my eyes.

But if it would work, The we have found ourselves our Long Range support unit for space battles.

>>7498579
Other thing with the Xamel might be replacing one of those crappy arms with something like Zol's Triple Gatling, so that it isn't quite so utterly fucked if anything gets close to it.

And, I suppose, reusing the Hildolfr's main guns if that isn't a serious downgrade; the more interchangeability, the better.

>>7498613
Hence why the space variant uses a heavy particle beam instead. Any recoil is presumably being directed straight back, and can be absorbed without sending the unit into a spin.

>>7498613
Mega Particle Cannon solves that - beam weapons don't recoil so much.

>>7498627
We can probably add that in as apart of the United Maintenance Plan later on.

>>7498670
Yeah, the UMP will be big.

So I guess what we're going for then is Hildolfr/Zaku to start, phasing out the Zakus for the Dom Funf (although that idea might end up becoming the standard Dom if we get lucky) and replacing some of the Hildolfrs with Xamels as each successor unit gets developed.

In space, Rick Doms and Particle Beam Rick Xamels.

The Gelgoog line would then be the next thing to come in, presumably incorporating the enhancements we captured from the Feddies too late to add to the Dom line.

>>7498758

Sounds about right.

The main challenge is in getting all this done as part of a coherent, organized long-term plan, as opposed to the sort of chaotic mish-mash of development that was/is currently happening.
Plus, the personnel issue is still a glaring problem - hax suits are useless if they have untrained conscripts piloting them.

>>7498825
Yeah.

Zeon desperately needs that month or two without major combat operations so that we can train the next batch of pilots.

Hmmm, The real problem is where the funds would come from...

If they would be from The Flanagan Institute it would be a jackpot, Since it would mean the Delay of the Psycommu system, Meaning the Elmeth gets delayed.


That boils down to Lalah never fighting against Amuro, and being unable to shield Char...Wait...

On one hand, Lalah never dies, and therefore Char loses his motivation for Char´s Counterattack.
Since Char dies, the Zabi Family will be safe...

BUT, Amuro will probably go around unopposed,Quite possibly still managing to win the war, The Psycommu system will probably not make it into the Zeta Gundam... Meaning no waveridercrash...

I think that might be a bad idea after all.

So basically, Where would the funds come from?

>>7498848
The more important thing to realize, there is no "instant win" option. We can look ahead as far as we want using met knowledge, but we can't account for Apologized steering the game another direction.

>>7498848

Zeon has pretty good cash reserves, given that it has an internal economy composed of several billion people. Granted they're grating a bit by the end of the war, but it's always implied that the lack of trained recruits was more devastating that any materiel shortages.

>>7498825

Indeed, was this not the problem the Gelgoog line had? Inexperienced Pilots?

We should try to advocate so that future mobile suits get escape capsules that auto eject when the MS gets damaged enough, Pilots is also something the Feddies have in higher amount then us, we better keep the few we have alive.

>>7498906
Well, couldn't we petition for a more competent training regime for recruits?

>>7498919

Problem is, we don't have the authority to make sweeping administrative changes. This is one of the reasons we're trying to influence Garma and keep his ass alive - if we can suggest policy to him, and have him respect us enough that he takes our suggestions seriously, then we've got a good chance at indirectly overhauling the Zeon training/recruitment system.

It has a bit more risk, but it's a quicker option than dragging ourselves to a rank that can order such things directly.

>>7498989
Sounds good.

>>7498848
>>7498906
>>7498915
>>7498919

For starters, get some money and personnel simply by not having to devote everything to replacing all of the gear lost in high-intensity combat. Decreasing some of the crazy prototyping would also be good; for example, is there any reason why any money should be wasted on the Gyan (to name just one crazy project)? For that matter, Gihren has to have been diverting a crapton of money and resources for the Colony Laser, something more likely to be noticed if Zeon has a pressing reason to be shifting money into things that can actually help them win the war.

More competent training for the recruits will also help. Unfortunately, I don't know how we're going to get much anti-MS training implemented before the Gundam shows up and Zeon is forced to acknowledge that Feddie MS are a genuine concern. The bigger thing is just going to be having enough time to train them; part of why Zeon was throwing raw recruits into battle in Gelgoogs they couldn't pilot was because they were literally having to throw everything they could scrape up at the Feddies to avoid defeat. Better planning now can buy us time to avoid that scenario.

>>7498989
The possiblility that the GM intends to kill off Garma anyways is there too. Dragging him along on this "secret mission" in an attempt to change canon too drastically could lead directly to that.

>>7499088
Again Garma. He's shown in the last couple of threads that he takes the Federation seriously; and we've proven dring that mess in Arizona that we can teach squaddies and rookies Anti-MS tacitcs easily enough from or own experiences - even just submitting a report, course outline and battlerom footage to the academies via Garma will likely prepare new pilots for Anti-MS work quite nicely.

>>7499098
Yeah. But on the other hand, there are simply a lot more options available if Garma survives. His biting it pretty much seals Zeon's fate by putting Gihren in power and focusing all of Zeon's ground forces on dealing with White Base, at the expense of everything else.

On the other hand, he lives and we've thoroughly gone off the canon rails.

And I'd say there's also a decent chance that Garma tries to sneak into this even without our involvement; it's the sort of thing that would appeal to him, mainly because he has no idea what this sort of operation is actually like.

>>7499165
Well, looks like Lister's going to be doing a whole lot of writing when we get back from this latest mission.

Although we might also want to farm out some of it to our squaddies.

Well, y'know, all this talk about Garma surviving isn't that farfetched...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltVIUlmB3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu0BpXIXKDA

>>7499167

If Garma shows up as part of the Gaw crew en-route to Kansas, wearing Elaine's fake Moustache, i'm going to laugh. Hard.

>>7499098

Exactly, Just by being near anyone they are likely to die.
Even if they have plot armor, That´s why keeping Garma alive is top priority, and we should extend that to Elaine too.Since we don´t wanna go TIME PARADOX!
Sure Apologized said she have plot armor, but i take that to mean we shouldn´t actively worry about her during a battle, Not send her out suicide missions.
>>7499167
Not to mention that i think Incognito will hurt us if we take Garma... and im pretty sure he is a torture specialist.

>>7499167

Better bring a Aspirine if that is the case. Last infiltration we did wasn´t really all that smooth, Besides, Garma have that inspection/Visit to do.
Im pretty sure the New York troops would be pissed ofg if Garma didn´t show after coming all that way.
Oh, And Icelina is here too.

>>7499226
It would be so am amazing.

When we go, we mustn't forget the other crew members of the downed gaw. I'm sure Incognito won't appreciate/allow a rescue mission, but if we could throw a bone to any captured men, we could give them a chance of their own. I mention this because I might not to be able to partake tomorrow.

>>7499226
I told you that would work!

>>7499241
Figure that he uses Superior Officer Mojo to convince Ruubens to pretend to be him. And loan him her mustache. Icelina, of course, is in on it, because she thinks that Garma going and doing this is dashing and manly.

They don't strike me as a couple who quite get the realities of war. Not yet, at least.