>>13015221
I've never really been a big fan of the Gyan but that pic makes it look awesome.

Will David and Jolyne have to worry about assasination attempts by any Girhen supporters while visiting Von Braun? After what just happened I imagine the Loyalist hardliners will be trying everything possible to kill off our unit, Char and Ramba Ral.

>>13015302

The Gian is a great suit, it's just the rook-head that's a turnoff.

>Hmm, nothing good on /m/ at the moment. I wonder what's going on at /tg/
>Zeonquest

Why was I not informed of this sooner? /tg/ really does have everything for everybody.

Anyway, at the conclusion of last week, Char's Falmel class command ship has docked at Von Braun, and you and the rest of the Nachtmaren who were with you have disembarked for a day of R&R. (Jolyne, Bernard and Zolomon were all with you.)

It is currently 3'o Clock in the afternoon. The news channels are buzzing with the story about how the Nachtmaren saved the city from a Nuke. Although they seem to be concentrating on Zolomon since he happens to be a local boy.
You hope that he doesn't let his newfound fame go to his head.

Before you leave the docks, Ramba Ral tells you that aside from the local security forces, his team will be practically sitting on the Nukes to make sure that Gihren doesn't try anything before the warheads are verified by their half-lives.

So, as I recall, we have a date.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>13015342
Oh god, dont call it a date Jolyne will kill us.

>>13015444

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

>>13015342
Hmmm.... now the question is: Do we go for something fancy, like a proper restaurant, something a bit formal OR do we do something like a movie and dinner?

>>13015342
I guess we make arrangements for that drink we promised Jol.

As for Zol, Elayne, and Bernie: should we give them shore leave or put them on rotating security with Ramba's team?

>>13015495
Security. This could be the end of Gihren once and for all. We need as many guards as possible.

>>13015495
Give 'em shore leave, I think it's well earned at this point.

>>13015521
Seconding shore leave. Nachtmaren may have various on-foot antics from time to time, but it's not really our area of expertise. Bernie especially. That and they deserve a break after Ghostbusting.

>>13015512
>>13015521
1 helps with security in their MS, 2 others on shore leave, on a rotating schedule.

Given how our team has been plastered all over the evening news, we should probably never be alone in case Gihren tries to assassinate us.

>>13015575
Seconding this plan.

>"...Well... Well fine. I guess. I mean there was that somewhat classy place on Von Braun wasn't there? I mean that's about an hours flight I suppose. I mean hell, we'll probably end up going to Von Braun for something sooner or later anyway right?"
Find out what the dress code is for the place before we head out.

>>13015611
Dress code, and make reservations.

>>13015611
>>13015641

You tell Zol to help out Ramba in his mobile suit, and to rotate with Bernard every three hours or so. You tell Bernard to try and not to get into any trouble.
Or drunk.

Not that you think you have too much to worry about with Bernie.

Now, the hard part.
Figuring what the semi-classy joint Jolyne was referring to whilst remaining suave.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>13015739
Ask Zolomon, or better yet, Zolomon's sister, of any places like that.

>>13015739
We could ask Zol or Ral, seeing as they may know Von Braun better than we do (though Zol's knowledge might be little outdated).

We could check through the local net for classy restaurants and get a list.

>>13015739
Use the Internet of the Future. Surely there has to be a listing or directory on Von Braun's hotspots.

>>13015739
The city's gotta have an internet equivilant, look up the more well known ones in Von Braun. How big is the city anyways?

(I just googled NYC restaurants and now I'm terribly hungry.)

Fun fact, Gundam isn't our vision of the future so much as it's that of people from the 1970's.
Hence why there's so much purple hair about.

Anyway, you harangue Zolomon about semi-classy restaurants.

"How semi-classy?"

"You don't need a suit, but it has carpet instead of sawdust."

"Normal lighting or dimmed?"

"Dimmed."

"Family restaurant?"

"Oh god no."

"Bar? Or proper food?"

"Uh, either I guess?"

"Try down in the Archimedes District, they used to have a couple of decent ones down there. I hear it's still fairly popular with troops from Grenada on R&R, dunno if that's what you'd be after..."

ANY ADDITIONAL CRITERIA?

>>13015906

Preferably one where we won't get into a bar room brawl like the last time.

>>13015916

To be fair, that bar was dead rough and full of Feddie sympathisers and people who Zeon had just displaced from their homes with a Colony, the fact that it didn't end in a fight SOONER is amazing.

>>13015942
Yes, well.... we should still hope that it doesn't come to that again.

>>13015906

It must be cheap! We are on a tight millitary budget here!

Suddenly off duty Zeon infantry about to be transferred to Earth enter the Bar.

>>13015980
You just saved the entire city from fiery death. If you somehow managed to get into a bar-room brawl with the locals after that then I don't know what to say.

>>13015989

Technically speak you ARE on Officer pay you know.

>>13016014

It's the Nacht man. Brawls always follow wherever we go.

>>13015989
We are a high ranking military hero with a 'Sir' in front of our name. I'm fairly sure that the paygrade for sirs will stretch far enough to cover an excursion to somewhere fairly classy.

I'm a bit worried about our new found celebrity bringing a pile of scoops-happy reporters down on our otherwise present meal. We should go somewhere nice, but low key or discrete is also important.

>>13016023
True, and it's not like we've had time to be spending much if any of it in awhile.

>>13016028
Except most of the time those brawls seem to involve Mobile Suits. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

>>13016014
Obviously, some sleazy paparazzi comes around trying to get a story while we're on our date, and we have to beat the guy up.

>>13016023

Nonsense! We lead by example here in the Zeon millitary, if the common solider cannot afford to go where we go, what kind of example are we setting?

>>13016083
The kind where you try even harder so as to eventually make Officer?

>>13016105
Personally I'd say being knighted would be a better aspiration, but y'know, just sayin'

>you're mooled.

>>13016014
You do realize someone is going to make it there mission to start one if the loyalists don't start it first.

Also I'm going through all the threads for the full killcount of the team.

>>13016128

That'd be nice. I basically lost count after my computer died twice in a row.

So, I'm going to get my dinner now. BRB.

>>13016128
I think the sheer number of tanks and planes alone was enough to make Apologized give that up by thread 10 or so. Plus there's all the unconfirmed kills we no doubt have by now.

I'm fairly sure the killmarkers on the Nacht-Zaku stand for divisions by now.

Sorry to be distracting from the date planning but found something on the interbutts while looking for Dopps. Canr read japanese so I just went ahead and used the current file name. Usable as Zeon's Saber Tiger?

>>13016065
Unless we somehow mange to stumble into a fight with some generic moon gangsters, we should be ok. We're fairly level headed when it comes to dealing people, even possibly violent ones. But we might want to make sure that Jol is only carry non-lethal gear, at the most.

>WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT CAMERA I AM TRYING TO HAVE A NICE DINNER HERE
>crack*snap*crack*crack*crack
>oh god all of my bones at once

So like I suggested, somewhere nice but fairly discrete

>>13016128
You are a braver man than I.

>>13016147
So far I'm on 34 and here is the count for Lister:

Tanks: 123
Planes: 60
Land Battleships: 2
Battleship: 1
Submersible Carrier:1
Destroyers: 4
HLV's: 4
Mobile Suits: 5
Light Vehicles: 20
Balls: 15
HLV Door: 1
Police Bike: 1
Solider: 1
Samson Truck Wing Mirror: 1

This is just confirmed kills.

Let's check out what's in the Archimedes District, especially those that are frequented by officers.

>>13016172

Ok I don't pay attention to Z.Quest, but WTF is this? A "modern" looking Dopp?

>>13016184
Dopp II, yeah. An attempt to take some of Gundam's designs out of the zeerust age and make them look actually workable. See also the Magella Eins from MS IGLOO.

>>13016184
Your guess is as good as mine unless you speak moon. They updated a ton of designes for 0080 though then decided to go with the cannon explanation of the Unified Maintinence Plan to explain the redesigns.

There's also this one which I cant even be sure it from Gundam.

>>13016128
>>13016179
Cool
>Battleship: 1
Was that the Magellan after we fought the Gundam in orbit?
>Solider: 1
We diffinitely got more than that. We tossed a grenade at a dug in anti-tank platoon in Panama.

>>13016262
That was the one on foot I never got any numbers for the other troops and the battleship was midway.

>>13016262
I believe he means the battleship of the wet navy.

>>13016289
>>13016306
I forgot we sunk one at Midway. Most of that battle is overshadowed by the massive beam spam fail for me.

Pic is the Beam Sled I drew up last week. I think I've come up with a pritty solid plan for attacking the Jaburo orbital garrison that we could talk to Lady Kycilia about. I'll wait until we've got the date out of the way to discuss it though.

>>13016569
And the whole general atmosphere of fail that pervaded after we screwed up.

And indeed, I do hope that we can get some plot in this part as well as our date. Plan for the Jaburo attack which hopefully will happen, find out from Kycilia and/or Garma when it'll happen, talk to them about what the best plan of attack might be, whether to go for Luna 2 as well, or see if we can modify the Elemeth's bits to be used as a camera so as to see their force disposition at Luna 2... the list of things that I hope we can accomplish today goes on.

>>13016181

You decide to look up the business listings for the local Archimedes district. From what you can tell it's mostly the restaurant and hotel area, a bit of tourist trap most times of year, but with the war and all things are a bit quiet.

You find a nice restaurant that from screenshots it supplied looks quite classy, but not overly formal called The Ptolemaeos. You get the number and ask if you need to make a reservation first. He says that you can if you want, but it not usually busy during the week.

A reservation would make sure you get a table, but that might be seen as a bit more datelike than Jolyne was expecting. Possibly.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>13016662
All this assuming the Federation hasn't been prudently using all this time we've been wasting dicking around with Gihren. Operation Star One should at the very least be in the staging phase.

>>13016696
I'm for a reservation, simply to make sure we've got a table.

Otherwise, we should have a couple backup places just in case.

>>13016700
Nonsense, I'm sure the Federation is purely reactionary and will NEVER make any moves without provocation.

But yeah, you have a good point. All the more reason to try and see what forces they have.

>>13016696
Well if it's not busy dont bother. Besides, if it does turn out to be busy there are bound to be other places nearby from the sounds of it.

>>13016867

So, don't bother with a reservation, but work out a couple of back-ups just in case.

>>13016696
Make dat reservation.

>>13016696

We should make a reservation claiming to be Paul Allen. He always gets the reservations.

>>13016880
Sure, though it seems more people have voted for reservation now.

>>13016895
>>13016905

Fine. You make a reservation in the off chance that it's busy for about 7 tonight.

You tell Jolyne that if she's still up for that drink then you've find a nice restaurant to go to for 7. She casually claims that this is fine.

You have some free time, what do you want to do now?

>>13016976
Go buy a stuffed Acguy for Nell?

>>13016984

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Also, try to contact Pezun to check in with the rest of the crew.

>>13016984
Yes.

>>13016984
Definitely get that stuffed doll for Nell.
Put in a call to Pezun, see how Hovis and Calvin are doing, as well as the OH.

Oh, didn't our infantry support guys come along to Grenada in order to get some more recruits? Have we been able to get more Dragoons?

>>13016976
Is there a chance we might get mobbed by reporters? If so we might want to do something to lure them off the trail, perhaps having Zolomon hog the spotlight in some other section of town when we go on our date.

Other than that... Check on everyone else, yes. Get a stuffed Acguy for Nel, yes.

Was there anything else we were supposed to do around here, or was stopping the Jupiter Ghost our only mission?

>>13016984
Yes. I'm glad my idea was remembered.

We must get the most adorable stuffed Acguy available.

>>13016984
Luckily thanks to certain someone who shall remain nameless behind his never properly explained mask the Acguy has been seeing a strange rise in popularity in the colonies.

As a result you are able to find a reasonably sized Acguy plushie for Nell next time you see her.

http://tubedubber.com/#Fu5yM-VSioc:B10BxYZqa1Q:0:100:0:8:true

>>13017096
>Do you think it's kind of cute?
Not really but everybody else seems to think it is.

>>13017096
Well then, let's see if we can't send a message to Garma or Kycilia about what Zeon's next move is for the war.

Dress like this.

Keep a gun and knife strapped underneath the jacket just in case.

>>13017096
I just imagined that David's been wearing a green featureless mask this entire time and no one has seen his face.

>>13017176
I always think of him with a funny english accent and saying smeg alot

>>13017176

That would be highly silly. I mean, who would go about wearing a mask all of the time in a serious military setting?
It's almost as stupid as belieiving that you're being dressed as a trap for "diplomatic" purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ofl_UP3apM

>>13017270
Heh. Still funny after all these years....

>>13017249

I really should make a Harry Ord spoof on that Afghan dancing boy-documentary. Not that anyone would get it.

...you still there Apologized?

Hello?

And thus ends ZeonQuest forever?

He's probably eating dinner, or having tea, or whatever british people do.

Maybe he's just typing a really long reply? You know, the ones that take 2-3 posts?

>>13017607
Well, he had dinner already... But I suppose it could be something like that. Or his computer crashed or something.

Well, we seem to have reached an impasse.

You place a call to Pezun to see how they've been doing. Everything seems to be puttering along just fine over there, Strauss is telling them old stories from Mastodon Battalion and work on the Outer Heaven is continuing at a good pace.

With nothing better to do, you get yourself something smart but casual to wear. With that done you travel back to the Falmel and do some more work on various bits of paperwork and your steadily mounting to do list regarding tactical doctrines.

At about 6 you decide to tell Jolyne that you're making a move.

She meets you wearing a dress that appears unusually bright for her and comprised AT LEAST 60% of straps, overwhich she wears a green overcoat and hat.

Well, at least you don't have to worry about dressing yourself up too much.

"Where the hell did you get that dress from?"

"I always take my civvies with me on mission."

"THOSE are you're civvies?"

"Well, the skirts new, but...shut up!"

Deciding not to push it, you make your way to the nearest travel pod to take you to your restaurent.

OH GOD I AM NOT GOOD AT DATES WHAT NOW?

>>13017667
A quiet walk together through Downtown Von Braun until we get to the restaurant.

make sure we're armed. at least a pistol.

>>13017667
I would assume we try to arrive at the restaurant before they close.

Don't forget to buy an ACGuy.

>>13017667
MAKE WITH THE SMALL-TALK. TRY & AVOID SRS BSNSS TOPICS. HUMOROUS STORIES ARE A 'GO'.

>>13017751
That has already been covered, Comrade.

>>13017667
Actually, I made a request for what we could do to pass the time here >>13017171

>What do you do?
Let's head out and have a nice walk on the way to the eatery. Ask about her, listen to what she has to say. Despite the fact that we've known her for months, we still know remarkably little about her. What are her interests?

>>13017753

So there we were, no shit, going up against this land battleship...

>>13017698

The pod drops you off at the start of the district. The city is cycling into it's night-phase, and the main daylights are beginning to dim and street lights are flickering on one by one.

The flickering neon of several bars and hotels becomes more evident as the lights dim, casting a cosy if slightly garish pink light on the street. Jolyne leans in against you as you walk. You aren't really sure what to make of that.

The streets are relatively quiet because it's still early in the night, and you walk comfortably to The Ptolymaeos.

>>13017789
Hold her hand LIKE A BOSS and ask her about herself.

You open the door to the restaurant and suave as you like grab Jolyne's hand as you lead her inside before you.
You reach find the waiter in the entrance, although as they told you earlier the restaurant looks quite quiet.

You tell him you have a reservation for two, and he leads you to a semi-secluded booth in the corner before leaving to get you your menus.

"So, it occurs to me that we've known each other since what? April? But we never actually talk about ourselves."

"I know right? I mean, it turns out Zolomon solved a murder mystery when he was a kid, I mean, who knew?"

"That's what I'm talking about. I mean we've basically been on combat or military ops since Hawaii wasn't it? "

"Yeah, two weeks of barbecues, beaches, Ruubens getting a sunburn and Karoke."

"Which I won."

"Which *Zolomon* won."

"Enthusiasm is no replacement for talent! Also, you've sidestepped the issue."

She leans back and exhales in mild irritation.

"Fine, where do you want me to start?"

"I can start instead if you like."

"No. It's fine."

At this point the waiter arrives to hand you the menu's and ask if you want to order your drinks yet.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>13018065
Hmm... Do they have wine here? I mean I imagine everything for that would be grown on on the colonies so the prices might have gone up by now.
Ask what goes well with white wine.

>>13018065
Whiskey. NOTHING BUT.

>>13018065
Something boozy but light. Our goal here isn't to get drunk.

Yet.

>>13018130
>>13018122

You order a bottle of white wine, you decide that you'll save the hard liqueor until after dinner.

You take the opportunity to look through the menu for anything interesting, whilst the waiter get's your drinks.
The conversation appears to have stalled. You try to kickstart it.

"So, what made you join the military?" you ask. You aren't sure if you've asked her this before, you rack your brain to try and remember.

"Well, it's sort of a long story if I'm going to be honest. Basically, I got into a lot of trouble as a minor, and basically it got to the point where I could either sign up, or go to jail. So I signed up."

"I'm probably supposed to act incredulous that you were a problem child, but honestly, I can totally see it. This is coming from a kid who's upbringing involved building shoebombs, so I KNOW what I'm talking about."

"What really?"

"...I must have mentioned it, surely?"

"Well, I knew from Zolomon that you once defused a car-bomb in, San-Hose was it? But I didn't know you used to make bombs."

"Well, I have mentioned that my parent's were Side 6 freedom fighters right?"

SO FAR SO GOOD.

>>13018304
*Cough* You already had Jolyne saying that she knew we were a kid terrorist or something a few threads ago. Just before the ping pong game.

Flirt like a bastard.

keep an eye out for suspicious people. It would be a perfectly dickish move to try and assassinate us right now, so its a near guarantee that Ghiren will go right ahead and try. For that matter, have a rapid response team ready with a MS just to make sure.

We do have at least a few guns and knives amongst the two of us right?
>>13016569
>>13016662
A fair bit of the making sure the Jaburo attack works is going to be manufacturing the special weapons involved. As a funny thought, could a flamethrower be reformatted to spew Beam Chaff? Trolling them is my new pastime. Part of the reason I want to attack Jaburo is that its where they refine their Lunar Titanium right? Hey, look at that, better shields for everyone! Better yet, (from a meta viewpoint) is that if we get a permanent agent into Jaburo, we might get warning about the Gundam Alex before it gets finished, along with any other fancy secret projects. I seriously want Incognito hacking their databases EVERYWHERE to get as much as we can. They are starting to bypass us in a few areas, if we can find out how, we will even out the playing field again.

What happened to the Pegasus class carrier we captured a while ago anyways? I want it for a surprise attack.

>>13018304
>"Well, I have mentioned that my parent's were Side 6 freedom fighters right?"
Yes. Yes, he has.

Jol's reaction was something like 'You have the coolest parents EVER!'

If we have time later see if we can find a stuffed Drew the Lich. I'm sure there are still some of those around. Pic related.
>>13018416
>What happened to the Pegasus class carrier we captured a while ago anyways?
apologised implied that it was taken appart to be analyzed. But then again, that's an
>implication
Hopefully it's tech is being put into the latest warships coming off the assembly lines. Which includes things like AA weapons for our Musais and Minovsky craft systems for our Zanzibars.

2 Glasses of wine later and things seem to be going okay.

"... so after Zeon sent two squads of what must have been some very early Zaku I's to deal with the blockading fleet and then Colonial Tank Company that pretty much turning things on their heads. It didn't take long for the Freedom Cells to start recruiting openly. At which point the feds must have realised that they had hours to get the hell out of dodge or things were basically going to end in murder. So they hijacked the day-night routines, set it to night, shut down power to the street-lights and ran to the space docks where they stole the largest cargo-ship they could find and snuck out. Not the Federations finest hour."

"Ha! I can imagine. Okay, fine. After the Zum Falls disaster I was shipped off to live my uncle Jotaro, who was a Exo-Xenobiologist. Not the best of parents all told, he was basically never home, and was always in between this or that expedition to mars or Jupiters moons or whatever. Basically, I went off the rails. I must have done all kinds of things."

"Like what?"

"Small stuff, big stuff, shoplifting, mugged a guy for a wallet once. I got two months in juvenile detention for that. I think it came to head when I stole a car and drove it through a wall, nearly killing the guy in the passenger seat."

"I've done that. Well, petrol truck admittedly and it was a security checkpoint, but more or less the same."

"Well, anyhow, after that, the authorities were pretty fucking clear that since I wasn't a minor anymore it was jail or military. I went with military because of that one time we stole a Petit Construction MS."

"Oh those didly things! I used to love flitting about the Zum colony facility halo with those when I was 17!"

The food you ordered has now arrived, Jolyne's having the soup and you've decided to give the beef carpacchio a go. Apparently it's made with beef gotten from the Side 6 Greensleeves Colony.

WHAT NOW?

>>13018476
Um.... eat? Don't talk with our mouths full. Ask what it is she likes most about artillery MS.

>>13018476
I have no idea who is saying what. Its awesome dialog, but point stands. Also, ask if she wants any upgrades to her MS, or new functions,etc.

>>13018473
Yeah, as nice as the Zanzibar is, it doesn't have the combat capabilities of the Pegasus class. We need to remedy that somehow. If they have carriers that can effectively act as a battleship, and we don't, then its a losing battle right from the start.

And how did i not think of this earlier? We were discussing the future of Natchmaren in the last thread, with a couple of ideas(like the head of Zeonic military left after ceasefire, recruiting Cima etc), we should ask her what she intends to do after the war ends one way or another.

wow, slow thread tonight.

Dinner passes quite well, and you order two shots of whisky along with bill.
"Very good sir, and what will the lady be having?"

"I'll just have the bottle."

"I'm surrounded by comedians."

On the way back you have an uneventful walk back from the restaurant, still slightly buzzing from the spirits and wine. Nobody tries to mug you on the way back, no byzantine plots involving nukes occur that need your attention, nobody sends you a message that the Federation are attacking or Char has revealed himself to be Casval Sum Deikum and has united a core of newtypes under his banner and struck out as a third side in the civil war declaring himself the true inheritor of Zeons will and calling for all likeminded people to join him... or some similiarily unlikely scenario.

"So." Jolyne starts.

"So." You agree.

"So, where do take this?"

"... I don't really know."
"I mean, you technically outrank me, should we even be dating?"

"Independant Corps means I can do whatever the hell I like without fear of censure. Except from Garma, and we got him laid. He owes us this."

"Well, what is this?"

"I don't know, what do you want this to be?"

"I don't know either."

"Well, look, how about we just follow this rabbit hole and see where it leads us?"

"That seems, sensible, I guess."

"So, shall we get back to the Falmel then?"

"Sure. I'm still not putting out on the first date though."

"We could die tommorow you know!"

"Not unless Char turns out to some sort of lone assassin hellbent on taking out the entire Zabi family we wont."

"...fair point."

>We need to remedy that somehow.
We've already captured one Pegasus for them. The next one we keep. Problem solved.

>>13018564
We should avoid talking shop now. This is shore leave, leave that kind of discussion for the hanger and Ookawara.

That said, I do have some fleet doctrine reorganization ideas for after today's installment ends.

>>13018683
Goddamnit apologized I can no longer tell what is referential and what is ominous foreshadowing anymore.

>>13018683
Well, that seemed to go well. See her to her room and wish her good night I suppose.

>>13018622

Well, it's a dinner date. For once, Lister deserves to relax.

Enjoy dinner. This may be the last bit of quiet we have for a while. Although asking about what she's thinking about when the war's finally over is a thought.

It's almost uncomfortably quiet as you take the transport pod back to the docks.

"This isn't going to be wierd is it?" you ask her.

"I shouldn't think so, I mean it worked for the Spartans didn't it?"

"Yes, but they homosexual psychopaths." you state.

"EFFECTIVE homosexual psychopaths!" she points out.

"This is true, you can't argue with results!" You joke together.

You arrive back around half 10 at the evening and wish Jolyne a good night as you return to your room.
"Should I do something like kiss you before going into my room?" She asks.

"I don't know, do you want to?"

"Of course I do, I'm a bloke, it's the default positi-"
She somewhat clumsily kisses you on the corner of your mouth mid-sentence before swiftly retreating back into her room.

You blink.

"Well, today's not been a bad day." you sum up.

You then send a message that if Bernard and Zolomon are still rotating guard positions they can return to the ship now, you're ready to go.
You then decide to go to bed.

TO BE CONTINUED.

>>13018700
>>13018724
Agreed to both of these. Wait, wouldnt most of them be both referential and foreshadowing?

Btw, if we're starting to run low on carriers space side (what with them being needed for use in atmosphere) converting the Papua class transports might work well. That forward vent area looks just the right size for MS catapults.

>>13018837
That's what I wanted to discuss. Carriers.

Zeon lacks any real dedicated fleet carriers, since the Musai is too light and occupies some sort of hybrid destroyer/escort carrier role, and the Zanzibar's capacity is too low, it lacks catapults, and it is generally too specialized. And of course, the Dolos is just made of fail. So I suggest redesigning the Tivvay-class.

Tivvays are unusally large ships, roughly three times as massive as the final production model Musais, and yet they're astonishingly lightly armed for their size, with only two mega particle cannon turrets. All that space would make for great hangers, and you could easily fit a good-sized catapult in the bow there like the refitted models from 0087 onwards. Given how big they are you could easily fit between two and three full MS teams, or maybe even a couple mobile armors in that bulk.

Ideally, a carrier battle group would consist of a Tivvay-C, at least three Musais (preferably the late production models), and a Zanzibar as the mission requires. Larger groups could double that and add a Gwazine for CiC purposes.

>>13018811
Omake?

>>13018918
The Chivvay class already carrys 8 MS and for the Tivvay/Chivvay Final Production Type it doesnt say how many more it can carry over the original. You're right though that it'd be a lot better with MS catapults. Still it's getting awful late in the war to start producing new ship lines.

>Seattax custom
I dont think i've heard of that MS captcha.

>>13018990

IIRC, the Tivvay class refits could carry up to ten MS.

Which would also probably mean it could carry Nachtmaren without much trouble, even the MA.

>>13018990
The Chivvay is a outmoded piece of junk that uses cargo bays for hangers though. It's easy enough to remodel in to the Tivvay though, seeing as it's the late production model. And 8 MS is a big improvement over the Musai's 4.

--OMAKE--

Zolomon Ringo had been relieved by Bernard Wiseman 2 hours ago. Since that time, he has returned to his families bar and has in the proceeding hours managed to amass quite a large crowd.

"So, we see the flare, and we know that the thing has managed to get out of the hangar and is heading our way, but we can just about make out that he's picked up a passenger who's flailing about like some fisherman who's picked the wrong fish to mess with right?"

There's some drunken laughter from the mental image. Zolomon himself is cradling his fifth shot of bourbon.

"So, I'm thinking Ramba Ral's got my back, right? I've got a little leeway for some last minute heroics right? Of course, initially I was going to wait until it got closer. But then I see the Boss take out this guy's drop tanks, and that's the part where he stops going through fuel like a fat kid through cake and I'm thinking: Hey, I can probably hit this guy now.
So I tell Ramba Rall to save the day if this don't work and I charge in. But it's only as I'm charging in right that I remember that HOLY SHEET thos Nukes are live."

More laughter.

Zolom needs his own show of teenage detective mystery super robot antics.

>>13019043
lol

>>13019026
Chivvay Final Production Type refit

Hmm. Yeah, the increased capacity is nice, but the light weapons are a major downturn. We managed to survive as long as we did because the Outer Heaven is a fucking monster, and had guns everywhere. That Tivvay, looks nice but the only way it can hit with all of its big guns is a broadside? Not so good. Now, if we redesigned it as part of our combined forces doctrine, then yeah it could be useful. Then again, it has enough room for pretty much everyone and their suits, even if we do end up recruiting Nell(which I personally want to).

Also, we should start expanding Natchmaren. It would be nice if we had more than the two squads of aces( the rest of the dudes can be unnamed red-shirts, but suitably awesome red-shirts, as any natchmaren would be). Either that, or start gettting into a higher command position. We really should start trying to come up with a long term battle plan to at the very least deadlock the Federation.

>>13019043
Ah, that is totally the Zolomon we know and love for his physics raping close range combat skills. Spent last 5 min laughing at how well it fits him.

"So, I zoom in, and I see the guy holding these 5 rockets, four of which we know to be nukes, and there's debris being flung at mach 7 by the defensive rail-guns all around them as Von Braun tries to shoot him down and I think: Fuck it, why don't I just cut the fucking arm, holding the nukes off?"

"Just like that?" one guy in the crowd asks.

"Sure, why not? I mean, it's like 6 meter's long, the part I'm aiming for is about 2 or 3, I mean sure you don't have long to aim, but what the hell, you only need one shot right? So I line up, and I can see Bossman riding on the back, spraying it with headvulcans but whatever, because I don't have any time for that, so I line up my lance and I... joust. I can feel it's a good hit, I don't see it, but I know that yeah, I got him. Of course, by this point I've got so much velocity that it's not until I reached the OTHER guys at the Resource Sat where the op started that I actually stop!"

More laughing.
Now, what Zolomon didn't know is that five people in the crowd were recording this with their camera-phones. Three hours later, Zolomon was an internet sensation.

Thank fuck he didn't tell anything classified.

>>13019139
Exactly. Maybe add some heavy bulkhead doors on the port and starboard, or maybe ventral for MA deployment, or expand the bridge tower a little for better CiC. And AA turrets, of course.

>>13019043
>>13019187
So thats what happens when Zolo throws himself.

>>13019210
I'll try and do a little work on it later but I'm kinda procrastinating on finishing stuff for my job.

Plan to deal with the Jaburo Orbital Garrison!
The advance force for the attack will consist of a small recon in force unit. They're to stay well outside of the range of the defenders and act as a resuply unit for the scouts. The key vehicle of the advance force will the the Elmeth. With the long range possible with it's bit weapons it can strike with impunity, disabling warships and Mobile Suits before they can even be launched. If they can take out a command ship or two before the main attack arrives it will seriously hamper their ability to react.

The next stage of the attack will occur once the Elmeths bits are finished being replaced or recherged. Fast Mobile Armors like the Val Varo and Mobile Suits using beam sleds will conduct a high speed hit and run attack with an emphasis on the usage of beam weaponry. They're to deal damage and then get the hell out in time for the main attack forces arrival.

While the hit and run is taking place Recon Zakus and Sodon Space tugs will deploy to act as a laser com network to give the main fleet instant updates on fed ship positioning and fleet composition.

As the hit and run force is behinning to pull back the fleet launches their main strike depending on how the Feds will have reacted. If they prove true to form the Federation ship commanders will have deployed beam chaff to ward off the attacks. If they have we Launch kinetic kill vehicles. These will be very crude, built out of nothing but colony fragments cut into 3x3x15m blocks using beam sabers. We can either attach rocket engines to them or use Mobile suits to accelerate them towards the Federation capital ships. Given the toughness of Fed carriers I would reccomend not targeting them with KKV's since their Luna Titanium armor will shrug off the worst of the hits.

>>13019292
Continued

In the unlikely event that the feds dont deploy beam chaff our fleet can use the laser com and Recon Zaku net to snipe from out of enemy range. The Beam sleds could be refueld and sent in for another attack run to exploit the damage being done to the enemy fleet. Eventually they're going to want to deploy beam chaff, we just have to make sure of that.

The Elmeth (and the Braw Bro if available) should assist in protecting the recon net until both fleets get into Knife fighting range. Once that happens they should continue to hang back and go after vital systems of the remaining Carriers.

>>13019187
HAHAHAHHA oh wow that is even more in character for him, holy shit. The federation is totally going to be getting everything they can, bet you one of those guys was a Fed agent. You have got to wonder what Revil will make of that, yeah? Would be nice to see his thoughts on it, especially if he starts thinking about how Ghiren needs to die, preferably before he manages to succeed in one of his insane plots.

>>13019210
Yeah, we need AA everywhere, so when we say "FIRE EVERYTHING!", the beam to vacuum ratio rapidly approaches 1:1. No such thing as overkill. Think we could mount another couple of beam cannons on the bottom of it?

>>13019262
Well duh, concentrated awesome. What did you think would happen?

>>13019292
Weren't we going to save the Elmeth for Luna-2? It sort of makes sense to have it at Jaburo orbital for combat testing, but if they figure out how it works, it would be less effective. Also, instead of the KKVs, how about the meteoroid missiles Dozle used at solomon? easily mass producible.

>>13019292
Is there anything we can use instead of the Elmeth?
I don't want to have to depend on it so much, especially since there's only 1, it's an experimental weapon system, and the pilot isn't a hardened veteran but a civilian girl whose mental stability can't be depended on.

>>13019373
>Weren't we going to save the Elmeth for Luna-2
I'm am strongly against attacking Luna 2 because it would leave us vulnerable to attack from Earth and Side 3.

>Also, instead of the KKVs, how about the meteoroid missiles Dozle used at solomon? easily mass producible
I honestly didnt see that episode. I've seen most of the stuff up until the end of the 2nd movie and then the final episode. Asteroid missiles would work too but figured we might want ones small enough to store aboard ships, or load into decoy HLVs to drop on Jaburo.

>>13019439
its on youtube, i think its either episode 34 or 35, search for Big Zam's Last Stand, its either that or the one before it. they were shown to be pretty effective. Also, if we got large enough chunks, we could pretty badly rip up luna 2. Food for thought.

>>13019187
apologised, just want you to know.
you make my day everytime you use post my advice Zolomon and my Zeondudes shop.

>>13019424
I'll answer that in two parts.
Tech wise you're quite right that relying too heavily upon a piece of experimental technology could have some serious problems. It's one of the main reasons that I wanted the Elmeth and it's accompanying escort force to hang back so far. If something goes wrong they're far enough away that they have time to conduct repairs or retreat. Its presence is not essential to force the feds to deploy beam chaff, but would allow us to get in an uncontested first strike without any risk to our pilots. The Elmeth itself has powerful engines and could probably outrun anything produced in the war. If the garrison figures out what's going on and sends ships out to investigate our people should be able to evac in time from +200km.

On to the pilot. We've been discussing ways of lessening the mental trauma that Lalah will go through. Someone mentioned using the bits to disable ships and MS rather than destroy them, so that she wouldnt be directly causing as many casulties. Once the battle is joined though it'll be up to her (or her handlers) to decide weather she can continue to assist. If not we have have her pull back to a safe zone. If she can continue it'll be more of the same; shoot to disable for the most part.

so anyone have long term goals? One of mine was to increase Natchmaren's command rank, eventually ending up as a fleet commander hopefully. That, and recruit Cima as superloyal 2nd in command (Zolomon really doesn't get command like he gets how to close in and mess up your day)

>>13019655
Yeah its a super weapon, but we are trying to integrate Zeon's more estoric super weapons into a combined fleet doctrine, imagine every zeon fleet with a Elmeth for rapid response beams. would definitely rack up some kills that way. Lets face it, the Elmeth is at this point a near perfect long range support ship.

>>13019655
>using the bits to disable ships and MS rather than destroy them
I remember this as well. I'm sure that it could help in the opening salvo, and since the Elmeth is only a part of a force, she could retire from the battle if it gets to be too much.

I bring up the pilot issue simply because of the notorious instability of the young Newtypes versus those who had a more robust upbringing and whose latent abilities emerged later in life.

>>13019655
The Elmeth has tremendous range, far moreso then any battleship in production. It could easily sit back behind any formal battle line we have established. And Lalah doesn't have the most fragile psyche, seeing as her first formal deployment had her destroying docked ships from Solomon's shoal zone. Virtually all she did was guerrilla snipe attacks.

Once its publicly confirmed that the nukes are Girhen's we could probably push for a cease fire with the feds so that Girhen can be hunted down for attempting to break the treaty yet again...

So wer're all pritty much agreed on this part?

>>13019871
Pretty much though I feel that a few JG's in the mix would definatly help.

One more thing in an attempt to put a few more nails in the coffin of the idea of yet another raid on Jaburo. Their defenders are hardened to hell and back by the last two raids and everything that was in that base is being spread out around the world to keep it from being destroyed in one go.

What this means for us is a lot of casualties that we cannot afford for little return.

You know what I'd love an omake of what Girhen thinks of our meddling in his harebrained schemes.

>>13019871
It's what the Elmeth was built for. Park itself in a debris field under Minovsky cover, send in all the bits, and watch the pretty fireworks.

>>13019292
Nice idea, but you forgot putting cameras and recon equipment on one of the Elmeth's bits.

>>13019439

I thought WE had Side 3.

>>13019854

This sounds like a good plan.

>>13020022
Can we still do those cruise missile attacks from the Yukon subs to harass Jaburo or Odessa?

>>13020158
Girhen and his loyalists control it now after his failed coup.

>>13019735

I'm more worried about Nell if something DOES happen to Lalah. Or just plain having a Newtype Special Moment with Amuro.

War isn't just about destruction, it's about preserving what you care about.

>>13020158
To clarify how this mess started.

We were asked by Garma to deliver mail to Degwin ( Same as how this Jupiter Ghost incident started) ,let the old man meet Garmas girl and to check up on him. Well we get there and are suddenly buried under red tape while trying to do this So we meet a few spooks (our parents) only to find that the old mans been taken and held prisioner on Von Braun. At that point we left and hauled ass to the moon to rescue him. We arrive on the moon, we get into a low G gunfight, and at one point the leader of our entire nation is shoved in a fridge.

>>13020158
Also map of who has what.

There will be a clause forbidding Nachtmaren from ever carrying mail again in the treaty that ends the OYW. BEt on it.

>>13020426
Can you imagine what someone reading that 100 years later would think.

>>13020426
But what about our plan on starting up a delivery service after the end of the OYW?

>>13020558
Wasn't that made BEFORE things started to go horribly wrong?

>>13020598
I believe it was made on our way to Pezun, or maybe Grenada.

But it was made in the full awareness of what happens when Lister and the Nachtmaren deliver letters.

>>13020022
The problem is the lack of other worthwhile targets that could bring the Feddies to the table. Because we desperately need to do that now.

...although we could always feint at Jaburo and then hit Dublin instead. At this point that's probably where most of the Earth-based C&C is for the Feddies, and some of their production.

And if we visit Belfast, we can give our old buddy the White Base another working-over.

In space, if we can feint at the Jaburo orbital garrison and then hit Luna II instead, we might want to do that. I don't know how Luna II's defenses compare, though.

>The problem is the lack of other worthwhile targets that could bring the Feddies to the table.
Might I propose the federation nuclear arsenal at Luna 2?

Right now the Antarctica Treaty is enforced by the fact that they can counter any more asteroid or colony drops with the threat of a nuclear reprisal from Luna 2 that could wipe out every colony in Side 3. It's a basic mutually assured destruction scenario.

If we remove the federation nuclear option, they we are free (or at least freer) to rain all kinds of massively destructive awkwardness down onto Earth. Even the implicit thereat of this should be enough for the federation to want to come to terms. And then there's the advantage that the Luna 2 garrison is a lot less battle tested than the one we've tangoed with multiple times at Jaburo or the boys guarding Dublin many of whom might have taken part in the op to take Odessa.

>>13021011
But that assumes the Federation's entire nuclear stockpile is at Luna 2, and also ignores their sizable chemical and biological warfare arsenal.

No, the main purpose of taking Luna 2 is to deny the Federation a safe port for their space fleet.

>>13020426
>>13020500
"Huh, that's weird."
"Maybe they figured out the best way to get a few days of payed leave was to hang out on a mail ship."

>>13021056
Luna 2 has all of the Federation's nukes in space because it is the only place for them to keep them, unless they're hiding a few in some supposedly neutral colony. Luna 2 is the only place of off Earth that isn't controlled by either Zeon or a neutral government. Any other bombs they have are somewhere on Earth. Deploying them all the way to the dark side of the moon would be difficult, especially in the numbers needed to wreck total annihilation. The same rules apply to their gas and germ warfare arsenals; both are hard to deploy to side 3 from Earth and the rest will be stored at Luna 2.

>No, the main purpose of taking Luna 2 is to deny the Federation a safe port for their space fleet.
That's a good goal too. And one that seems reasonably doable if we can catch them with a good mobile suit infiltration while they are still in port. Any op that can get in and trash the nuclear stockpile is sure to slag a good number of their ships (we will likely get at least one Pegasus kill, not to mention the hell our space superiority suits are going to cause for the general fleet), and every ship we sink makes the Antarctica Treaty less of a MAD scenario and more of a gentleman's agreement. Which will bring them to the bargaining table all the faster because they don't want to have to base their planetary defense on the Zabis being chivalrous and noble, especially if Gihren is still in any thing resembling power.

>>13021011
Most of the Odessa force is probably busy clearing the Middle East and European Russia, or about to get stuck in in Central Asia and Africa.

>>13021481
>or about to get stuck in in Central Asia and Africa.
Right. We need to talk to Kycilia about a ploy to lure the Feddies into Africa. One less Girhen stronghold to deal with later.

>>13021565
We need to talk to anyone about what the general disposition of everyone's forces are EVERYWHERE. We're kind of groping around in the dark making these plans.

For whoever thinks we should hit Luna-2: We have no idea what the defenses are. There was never a battle there, so we have no idea what they can throw at us. Its up to apologised to give us some info on its defenses before we charge in and attack. For all we know, they could be set up to hurt us more than Jaburo could. We guessed last thread that they have about 15-20 Pegasus carriers there, and probably about 120 magellan/salamis in addition to whatever shitloads of GM and Balls they keep at their only space rally point. For all intents and purposes, this is their pearl harbor. Hitting it and destroying it would give us an advantage, yeah, but it also might end up with us in a meat grinder and no chances of escape.

Granted, Natchmaren would probably be able to get away, but we might lose the war by default without any ships left to use in battle. Also, any attack on luna-2 requires us to get spaceships, not just MS and MA.

Right now, if we take spaceships away from the legitimacy, ghiren will be all over them and he WILL break the Antarctic Treaty on a whim.

If we take down Jaburo, we might have some awesome technology to play with(assuming that Incognito gets called in and brings all his spies/ spec ops with him) as well as keeping down their future numbers. If we hit luna-2, that doesn't happen, we just reduce their current forces, not future. In the long run, completely eradicating Jaburo might be more advantageous to us than crashing Luna-2, though both have their reasons.

>15-20 Pegasus carriers
This seems overly optimistic to be, but at this point any number are based solely on our own guesswork. Still, there are going to be SOME at least...

>about 120 magellan/salamis
Cake. We wrecked those guys in the one week war with early model Zakus. The suits we have now are vasty more capable. We could probably take out half of those ourselves if we really needed to.

>shitloads of GM and Balls
Problematic. The fleet is staying under cover in Luna 2 until they have enough of these to come out safely. We've messed up their production a good deal from where it's supposed to be, so how many they have is anyones guess.

>If we take down Jaburo, we might have some awesome technology to play with
Possible, but that's hardly going to win the war at this point. Stealing advanced feddie tech is something we did to get ahead in the early stages of the war and it got us suits acros the board radically more advanced than in canon. But anything we grab now is only going to pimp out our squad, and that's not a very high priority at this point. Our rides are already fairly pimped.

>as well as keeping down their future numbers
...at a high cost to our own, and we'll have much bigger problems replacing our losses than they will. Even winning all out at Jaburo is at best a delaying tatic, and that's the last thing that Zeon needs if it wants to win this war.

>Right now, if we take spaceships away from the legitimacy, ghiren will be all over them and he WILL break the Antarctic Treaty on a whim.
Which makes ghiren our number one problem at this point. What we need is a good plan to get him out of the way so we can launch a final campaign that's actually got a chance of winning the war.

>>13021794
>...at a high cost to our own, and we'll have much bigger problems replacing our losses than they will. Even winning all out at Jaburo is at best a delaying tatic, and that's the last thing that Zeon needs if it wants to win this war.

We can't win the war against the Federation. It is no longer within the realm of possibility thanks to Girhen's dickery. Our only chance is to get into a good position to lose as little territory as possible when we sue for peace.

OK: We say that the JG was all Ghiren's idea, every part of it, along with nuking Odessa and even Operation British. Then we make an offer to the feds: You take the Earth, we take space. Zeon will have control over all colonies as well as Jupiter, to ensure an economic balance of power. Meanwhile all of Earth is Federation territory. That being said, we tag-team Ghiren, Revil and Amuro taking him on the ground while Nachtmaren and Char settle the score in Space.

>>13021794
>that's actually got a chance of winning the war.
Winning the war at this stage is impossible.
Our victory condition is to force the Federation to come to the negotiating table, with Zeon holding some good positions so that we can work out a favorable cease-fire. Even a neutral one would be preferable.

>>13021952
Jupiter is neutral, though.
I think that Zeon keeping it's original colonies and most space assets, as well as autonomy and recognized sovereignty would be a win for us. Also any Earth regions that wish to stay under Zeon rather than Federation governance.

Throw all resources into the development of a a gigantic mobile armor that, once mass produced, will crush the federation in no time!

This is a good idea.

>>13022036
>Also any Earth regions that wish to stay under Zeon rather than Federation governance.
I dont think that'll go for that one personally. I'd settle for them allowing unrestricted passage to space for any Zeon sympathizers among the populace.

Also we promise to help them remove any Zeon holdouts on Earth in return for letting us take posession of the gear and personell they might have. Make sure to gloss over out the part where we dont actually have to tell them where the remnant bases were located as long as we remove them. >:3

>Our victory condition is to force the Federation to come to the negotiating table, with Zeon holding some good positions so that we can work out a favorable cease-fire.
Exactly. Even if we take out their nukes at Luna 2 and most of their fleet, they'll still have the long term production to zerg us into the ground faster than we can train new pilots and build suits to field them in. But they don't want to have to go through that anymore than we want to have to start dropping heavy things on them in response to that, so we compromise. If we can achieve a reasonably good dominance over military operation in space, then we have a very good card to play at the peace talks.

>>13022173
I still don't get why people keep making the assumption that the Federation is keeping all of their WMDs in Luna 2. There's never really been any clear evidence to prove this, and even if it were true, there's no way they'd be keeping all their eggs in one basket after we nearly trashed their MS production in Jaburo. Just like how they've relocated their HQ and are dispersing their manufacturing facilities, they're probably splitting up their weapons stockpiles so they don't lose everything in one lucky raid.

>>13021664
We need to verify the Luna 2 defenses by sending in the Elmeth with cameras and other spy equipemnt mounted into the bits.

>>13024521
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty

>"The continual use of weapons of mass-destruction were also dangerous to Zeon, as the Federation Forces could retaliate back with NBC strikes. The EFSF had enough nuclear warheads stored in Luna II to completely annihilate Side 3 (a few thousand according to Gundam Officials)."

>>13027022
That says that they have a few thousand there. Nowhere does it say that that is where they are keeping every single last nuke they have. And to keep all their nukes in one place would be the single stupidest thing the Federation has ever done.

>>13027248
Yes because if you had something like a Neutron Stampeder (lol Cosmic Era).....

>>13021952
I like the idea of raising the smear level on Gihren.

There is flat out no way that they have all their nukes at luna-2, you can bet any politician worth their dirt would throw a massive hissy fit about the possibilities of someone destroying all the nukes at once. Besides which, THEY ARE AT WAR. NUKES WERE USED.

Revil might think that somebody on Zeon is honorable(from the odessa omake) but i seriously doubt that he would leave his capability to deter another colony drop in a single place. Revil is smart dammit. The fact that a nuke was launched already, even if it was shot down means that he would expect it to happen again. If he thinks someone on Zeon is crazy enough to go for MAD, then he will take care to make sure that the Federation still has reprisal capabilities. Hell, i bet you that there is a Pegasus class with a couple of nukes hidden flying around somewhere.

>>13027971
yeah i had a endgame scenario that was basically, say everything was gihrens fault, then team up with Amuro and char to casually rape him with LOLPLOTARMORHAX. The sheer amount of plot armor from that combined would be enough to ignore the colony laser as "nothing more than a fancy flashlight".
>captcha: "economic ballls" what the shit!?