I...I want to buy a Flasher Blaster Bruiser Mate.

Who the hell is this faggot? No way he's as well-written as my waifu lol.

>>12960064
>implying Morrigan is your waifu.

NOPE

Let's face it: the Baldurs Gate II characters were fantastic. The Dragon Age characters are their successors and they are also fantastic. But also very nice to look at. :D

>>12960064

In Dragon Age, the seductress character wears a single pauldron and a shirt with a neckline that descends to her belly, exposing both cleavage and sideboob.

In Baldur's Gate 2, the seductress character wears heavy armor and constantly has on a hooded cloak (shown even in her portrait). Viconia still manages to be ten times hotter than Morrigan.

>>12960116
So you're saying you have a drow fetish?

>>12960102
>implying Final Fantasy attire and HURR DURR SHEEPFUCKING jokes are fantastic

>>12960116
>goofy ass 80's looking blue elf
>hotter than Morrigan

nope.jpg

>>12960102

I realize you're probably new, bro, and we all were at one time or another...but don't use emoticons on /tg/. We like to at least pretend we're better than facebook.

>>12960116

Viconia was certainly much better written. Even her blatant sexuality had a sort of air of desperation to it, using the one thing she had left in the absence of the power structure that had supported her as a Drow Cleric.

Morrigan was just a slut, Viconia was trying to survive.

>>12960195
>delicious inky elf in sensible armor
>hotter than generic goth grrl witch

yes.jpg

>>12960116

they do not necessarily wear heavy armor/ rags respectively.

They do however have prominent similiarities. I played both games directly after another and this was something that was very obvious.

While they are comparable, they still manage to maintain rather complex personalities which are very different of another.

Viconia for example is deeply racist, Morrigan however is absolute indifferent to any race. Also they are both dominant and prefer a rather hard attitude towards others. Viconia again, wants to be opposed and demonstrated strength and leadership qualities, whereas Morrigan reacts best to gentlemen and kind gestures, which Viconia would probably interpret as weakness and submissive behaviour. At least in the early stages, before she is deeply in love with the protagonist.

They are of course very similiar, but nevertheless distinct personalities. And I loved both their stories.

>>12960064
>>12960195

>>12960116
>elf
>hot

>>12960288
>whereas Morrigan reacts best to gentlemen and kind gestures
be agressive cynical bitch
Still like polite and caring men

>>12960333

She wants someone to wear the skirt in the family.

>>12960199
unless they're constructed from Kannada Script
ಠ_ಠ

>>12960288

Yet one of them wants a NORMAL LIFE and to BE A WAIFU without losing her identity, while the other wants your seed for godbabby. Viconia's strikes me as conflicted, while Morrigan is just using you.

>>12960333

Well it's true, is it not?

>>12960199

So I should use reaction images instead?

>>12960186

I never played any final fantasy before, so I don't know what you mean.

And I didn't say the game hasn't got any weak points. But they are definitely in the minority.

>>12960222
I don't think you actually played the game. You are right about Viconia, but Morrigan has a pretty sinister reason for trying to bed you. She is trying to create a demon-baby cthulhu thing. Something to inevitably give her power, by trapping the soul of the Archdemon in her womb. She wasn't being a slut just because you were a big, strong man. She was using you the whole time and she makes it pretty clear that despite whatever feelings you may have for each other, she is ditching you and you will die if you try to follow her.

>>12960333
No she doesn't, she scolds you for helping people unnecessarily throughout the game, but reacts well to being given stuff. The game practically begs you not to romance her.

>>12959951
I always take Jan into my party. I almost never need him, but he's the first one i get to join as i start.

>>12960384

Being used for your seed seemed to be recieved more poorly by the community than I might have otherwise expected.

>>12960414

IIRC she's not even too happy when you help people necessarily.

Leliana is my DA:O waifu.

>>12960333

Viconia's responses are actually weirdly both-ways, sometimes she reacts poorly to taking the most confrontational option.

Also, having Viconia and Jaheira is hilarious if the protagonist is a Half-Elf, since Viconia will go straight from insulting Jaheira for being a mongrel to flirting shamelessly with the Bhaalspawn.

>>12960384

I certainly saw her very conflicted at the end of origins and witch hunt. 'Tis true, she didn't want a simple, normal life, but is this a negative character trait in a fantasy setting?

This remind of a story my uncle Bobbin used to say, in between asking us if we were his mother. You see, uncle Bobbin was what you would call an opportunist, and he had his pry-bar and bucket of water with him at all times. He and his companions - the so called Alibi Gang - had a brilliant idea of cleaning out an old dungeon and turning it into a turnip cellar. What you may not know is that turnips require storage in places of death and dread and dungeons or traditional gnomish cellars are perfect for it. Not that there is much dread or death in a gnomish cellar, mind you - gnomes are known to be peaceful folk - it just so happens that they are apt to emulate similar effects through their connection to illusion magic. And, as I'm sure you know, turnips are not very intelligent creatures, they can't really discern illusion from reality. Anyway, uncle Bobbin and his friends started cleaning vigorously. Any old garbage they found they moved out. And, since there was pawn shop nearby and the Alibi Gang felt that a compensation for their good deed wouldn't hurt, they sold the useless crowns and jewels and other such trash. They knew that a long time ago a grumpy wizard decided to make his home underground in the very same dungeon they were cleaning, but they rationalized that since the mage was human, he must've surely perished from the old age. You see, old age is caused by build up of a very nasty miniature imps, that gather in dirty places, that is why your mother cleaned your house every week, and that is why gnomes do the same every day and live to such respectful old age. But I digress.

>>12960471
In the end, Bobbin and his men did find the mage and he was dead. What they didn't count on was that he was un-dead. And still grumpy, as they experienced when trying to gently untangle him from his magical trinkets. The wizard fancied his self by the name of Kangaxx the Demilich. Of course simple gnomes of my uncle's gang had no chance when the demilich yawned and promptly trapped all of their souls, leaving only Bobbin to altruistically gather all their belongings. Fortunately for my uncle, he was not only fleet of foot and hand, but also of wit. Before the demilich had a chance of annihilating him, Bobbin asked why, if demilich is more powerful than a lich, his name suggest that he is but a half of a lich. And before you can ripen a turnip Kangaxx was gone with a puff of paradox and uncle Bobbin was free to gather all of his gang's loot to finance a funeral. The moral of this story is that Baldur's Gate characters are clearly superior to your waifu, and gnomish cellars are built for a reason.

>>12960409
>So I should use reaction images instead?

Yes.

About the final fantasy bit, he probably meant how she has one pauldron, and an overall impractical outfit for being out on the road adventuring and fighting monsters. Her hair also looks like she's about to go to court, not slog through the mud. Her outfit seems more stylistic, rather generic-JRPG, than something you would wear to actually fight in, while Viconia has a hooded cloak and armor.

Personally, I think this is at least partially because one of them has realistic armor, and one does not.

>>12960471
>>12960474
Gnomes are awesome and your uncle doubly so.

>>12960414
>using men for power
>not a slut

Although, personally, I don't think you can claim Viconia isn't a slut.

>>12960434
>IIRC she's not even too happy when you help people necessarily.

Exactly. Viconia only cares because "survival of the fittest", she doesn't like the idea of rewarding people for being weak, but she does approve of you helping others and earning gold and favors from it, she even points out that you're a better manipulator in that way than most drow, since you manage to stymie the war effort of an entire drow city.

>>12960516

But still complains if party reputation is too high, although you're getting better prices.

>>12960527

If you get too well-known for heroism, how do you think that makes her, a servant of Shar, look? With the eyes of the goodly forces upon you, including the Harpers and various good-aligned churches, how uncomfortable do you think their scrutiny is going to get?

She actually has a reason to want to get the fuck out if your Reputation gets too heroic.

>>12960502
>Implying I ever said Morrigan wasn't a slut. She just wasn't doing it for no reason.

All your lustful talk and petty squabbles don't sit well with pic related.

Am I the only one who thought the end of the De'Arnise Keep quest was depressing as fuck if you aren't a Fighter?

Nalia marries Isaea Roenall, he gets her land whether she absconds with you or not, the peasants all suffer and he takes the asshole choice in every single situation you would have gotten to deal with if you were Lord De'Arnise. Shit sucks.

>>12960536

I know what you mean, but considering that she's traveling with a child of Bhaal in whom several deities and other powerful beings take strong interest in, she would be (and is) watched anyway. After all it doesn't make a real difference. They never get to be known for heroic deeds anyway other than in tradesmeet.

>>12960548

GODBABY seems much more power-grabbing and ambitious than SURVIVAL. Especially since, once she has some power and friends looking out for her, Viconia stops whoring herself and starts commanding respect for her priestly magic instead. Morrigan, though, stays slutty forever. Viconia comes out of the situation feeling more legitimate, like she was a lot straighter with you instead of concocting some grand deception.

>>12960553
unless you have that mod that allows you to nail Nalia.

You know why we don't have good games nowadays?

Jews.

>mfw people never get Morrigan to truly love them.

Hahaha. Casuals. Hell, I even cheated on Morrigan with Leliane, did good deeds in her sight, and she still loved the fuck out of me.

Got the Witchhunt DLC, and MY BODY IS READY!

>>12960598

You know why the economy in pretty much all countries all over the world is going down the drain nowdays?

Jews.

OP (and others looking for this kind of experience) should do what me and a buddy do: Solo campaigns with NPC parties. If you're a bad enough GM to run a bunch of DMPCs without all the associated problems, it's like playing Baldur's Gate with true freedom of action. Of all the tabletoppan I've done, this has really become my favorite kind.

>>12960569
BRB, choking on my own puke and bile.

At least I'll die happy and laughing.

>>12960602
>Got the Witchhunt DLC, and MY BODY IS READY!
Yet the encounter still only lasts 20 seconds.

>>12960598
Also because of kids that can't read a page of dialogue if it isn't made of explosions, and wouldn't know character creation and development if it danced in front of them singing Moley Malone. But mostly Jews.

>>12960574

I always assumed when I played a Fighter that Nalia was slipping into his room to bone every time he stayed at her castle.

Although I've heard some people think she's gay, because of her distaste for the idea of marrying the Bhaalspawn and the way she seems disgusted by the idea of being with a man at all.

>>12960626
>implying my superior Grey Warden physique won't let me satisfy myself and the witch in twenty seconds

>>12960573

I'm another guy, but may I enquire a question:

How does this make either character superior/inferior, if they are just different personalities? Or isn't this argument about the quality of character depiction and depths but rather about comparison about individual charactertrairs?

>>12960598
>>12960609


Oh please, everyone knows it's the moon-men.

>>12960573
So? Yeah, Viconia's romance was more fulfilling romantically, but Morrigan's was never supposed to be. She warns you ahead of time that she's in this for herself, and your character makes a conscious choice, knowing that she's going to break his heart.

Morrigan never cared about your respect or anything, up until the very end. Morrigan admits she has feelings of love for you, but can't let it get in the way of whatever she has planned, (Which may or may not involve more than personal gain, it went unexplained).

Your character can even choose to deny her request and her plan fails, yet she sticks around and stays to fight the Archdemon with you. She leaves immediately after both situations, either because you have died fighting the Archdemon or because she has your darkspawn baby in tow.

Morrigan is more complicated than the thread has been giving her credit for. Her story just doesn't can't end on a high note, no matter what.

>>12960617
Most of us don't have DMs of godlike skill.

>>12960569
THE Yoshimo? Feared by all?

>>12960553
Fuck it all. All I did is play fighters. Now I'm gonna QQ even more due to this revelation.

>>12960638

I mean charactertraits. sorry.

>>12960643
Exactly.

Then again, I basically played a persuation-heavy wizard with the mindset of an American politician.

Morrigan and I were made for each other... for a while then.

Too bad Leliane isn't in any post DA:O DLC. I just want to say to her that Morrigan is gone... if you know what I mean...

>>12960569
Why does Jan look there like the only change made on him is that they shaved his eyebrows?

>>12960643

Until you get the Witch Hunt DLC, that is.

>>12960678
>Fucks Morrigan
>Wants to fuck Leliane afterwards

Yeah, you do sound like you have some things in common with Morrigan.

>>12960650
If you're good enough yourself, you could try running one first and hope your player picks up the dos and don'ts. My friend is very good at it, and I hope I measure up to him, but I really don't think it's THAT difficult.

>>12960569
It needs a "in 20 years" image. of the original and of this.

>>12960708
I swear, if you post spoilers, I'll have you raped by an Ogre.

>>12960643

>Implying goddamn Viconia's does.

I'm not saying that Morrigan is a bad character though. Personally I think her character didn't get drawn out as well as it could throughout the game. And with that let me explain why...

>>12960634

Seriously, whenever I play any newer games I get the feeling they were made for people with attention spans of hyperactive six year-olds. Even the games that can actually be called good suffer from this. It makes me sad.

So many great ideas, so much potential... all wasted, just to make way for more commercial fodder to further fill the pockets of greedy men.

While some of the BGII cast are truly awesome, other are just kinda... there. Specifically, Valygar, Cernd and the halfling chick whose name escapes me at the moment.

Sarevok has a few good moments, but Throne of Bhaal was so short that Sarevok's personal redemption story felt very truncated.

>>12960723
You rang?

rolled 68 = 68

>>12960720
rolling for circumference ...

>>12960662
>>12960553
But then you get a quest after that to get that faggot arrested anyway even if you aren't a fighter. I think Nalia gets the keep then, i don't quite remember how it goes.

I think it is good that there are less NPCs to form a party with in Origins. While the variety in Baldurs Gate was good, because a wide range of characters to choose from added complexity, curiosity and was even necessary to some degree, because of the 6 member per party; the reduction of NPCs in DA:O allowed for more complex characters that allowed for more curiosity themself. I think this was a good step from Bioware, nobody would have wanted 3 dozen characters in DA:O to choose from, because they couldn't have been worked out this good, as they are now.

About to play Baldur's Gate for the second time. The first time I did not get past the starting area because I could not figure out how to do anything more complicated than stabbing people.

What is a build that requires little effort to play?

>>12960769
>nobody would have wanted 3 dozen characters in DA:O to choose from, because they couldn't have been worked out this good, as they are now.

I raged. Yes I wanted 3 dozen characters in DA:O, because then some of them might actually have been tolerable. And yes they could have worked out fine, as was demonstrated in Baldur's Gate 2!

>>12960769

Don't forget Neverwinter Nights! It had tons of memorable characters!

>>12960748
>halfling chick
Mazzy Fentan
I'm not sure, but they may have done a romance mod for her by now.

>>12960769

*members
*themselves
*by Bioware

sorry, it's late

>>12960777

Mage.
Once you learn Improved Invisibility+SI:Div and throw on a protection from magical weapons for laughs, you can basically toy with the game at your leisure.

>>12960777
Fighter i guess, but you'll have a party of 6 anyway, so you're gonna have to put some effort into it either way. I'd recommend a triple multiclass so you get to choose which keep you want in BG2, plus in ToB you get so high level any penalties for being multiclass pretty much disappear. Elf Fighter/Thief/Mage can be pretty nasty, you can use the Staff of the Magi to become invisible at will, then go hide and backstab all day. I'm not sure if Cleric/Thief/Mage would be possible, but that'd be very nasty too.

>>12960777

Pure fighter or fighter/thief. Just rolls stats for a while until you get at least 87 totals.

Stats go like this:

STR 18 (or 15 if you plan on using strength boosting items, I recommend 18 though)

DEX 18

CON 18

INT 10

WIS 10

CHA 10

This is 84 points in total, but it's a power-gamer build, if you want to RP, mix things up a bit, I suggest keeping str and high though, con isn't THAT important, but having it helps.

>>12960804
>>12960805

Guys, he's new to the game, and using characters who use magic and advanced tactics is hardly advisable for a first run.

>>12960806
At least in BG2 i always go for belts of giant strength, so i wouldn't worry too much about Str (also remember the Crom Faeyr), but i don't remember how hard belts of giant strength are to come by in BG1. Dex can be solved with bracers unless you're an Elf (then you could start with 19 which beats the bracers) or need something else in there.

>>12960830

It's THREE spells. After that you can just blast away. That's actually effective in 2nd Edition.

>>12960838

In BG1 there's only Gloves of Ogre (or whatever) Strength 18/00, they're good but they eat up a really good slot. I still stand by the build I suggested, as it's perfect for a first run for a person who's not gonna meta-game and go get the best stuff right away.

>>12960830
He's gonna have to do it anyway. Or do you want him to solo the game as a fighter? Or better yet, trust the AI with combat.

>>12960859

Speaking of metagaming, wearing two Rings of Wizardry in BG 1 was fun.

>>12960859
Pity with Str you get the fun of rerolling until you get a 18/00 or no matter what the gloves are better.

>>12960885

Or you could just read a book and get a +1 increase. You know, whatever.

>>12960783

Then you'd probably got 3 dozen half arsed and hastily written characters, of which every second one got a simple sidequest. Hoo-ray.

No, seriously, I wouldn't mind additional characters to the game, but I also think it is easier to work out a character on paper, give him 200 lines written dialogue and do the next one (which is the case with many characters in Baldurs Gate I and II) rather than voice-acting and and motion-captioning a character over the course of a game. You should understand that this costs time and money.

>>12960785

I liked some characters there. But overall there are only Khelgar, Safia(?), Quara, Bishop and Neeshka, who positively stuck in my mind.
Mask of the Betrayer was good though.
I hate Volo.

>>12960885

Well if you wanna talk metagaming, there's a book that raises STR by 1 permanently in BG1, as I am sure you well know. The thing is it Raises 18/00 and 18/13 to 19, and 19 beats the 18/00 from the gauntlets. So yeah. Also the gauntlets take up a valuable slot that can be better spent on Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise or some such.

>>12960902

Neverwinter Nights 2 did have some pretty good characters. Neverwinter Nights 1 had Aribeth, Nathyrra and Deekin. That was pretty much it for characters who got stuck in your mind.

>>12960902

No Sand and Asshole Jerro? I'm sad. I actually like NWN2 OC, at times it felt like a truly awesome adventure... and at times it felt like browsing /b/.

>>12960894
Pity that one only comes near the end huh?

>>12960902
You make it sound like
1. DA:O had better characters than BG2
2. Voice acting and motion capture determine the worth of a character

I'm afraid you're mistaken on both counts. Also,
>You should understand that this costs time and money.
Do you work in the vidya industry and have some firsthand knowledge that this costs way more than is actually realized? If not, spare me the patronizing.

>>12960924

Aribeth was good, yes. I played the NWN 1 and addons with a friend, so we didn't really concentrate on story or characters. The addons were really good dungeon-crawling. fun times.

>>12960931

It doesn't matter in the end really, in the tougher battles you'll be using Strength Potions anyways, and getting those is easy.

>>12960931

You mean just before the only bit of the first game with any challenge? In what is essentially a vast trilogy? You can't even be bothered to wait till Chapter 5 of game 1? Really?

>babling silly

See, even captcha agrees with me.

>>12960924

And who was Nathyrra again?

>>12960955

Nigger elf, who's alignment was mistakenly Lawful Evil, while she was anything but.

Spoiler

You meet her as you descend to the third level of Undermountain, she comes to warn you about the true nature of the drow threat to Waterdeep. And in Chapter 2 you get her as a recruitable NPC until the end of the campaign.

Actually she was a pretty cool character, all things considered.

>>12960953
Remember we're talking about somebody who hasn't ever stepped outside of Candlekeep here. Sure everything is easy when you know which buffs to get to make fights trivial, but when you don't know it's quite easy to die.

>>12960983
>alignment was mistakenly Lawful Evil
It was probably just so she could keep advancing as an Assassin without crashing the game.

>>12960983

>whose

fix'd

goddamnit

>>12960984

A fair point. I sometimes forget that Baldurs Gate, and 2nd Edition in general, have a very high learning curve especially at low levels.

>>12960936

I didn't SAY that either game had better characters, and I didn't mean it. What I did say, however, is that one must work out characters and implement them into a game.

Is it really so difficult to understand that mere text does not take so long to implement into a game (especially if it is rather little compared to other characters) than text and voice acting and motion captioning? And that these additional standards limit the number of recruitable NPCs somehow?

Perhaps I'm just being trolled.

>>12960998

I think the alignment restriction for advancing in certain classes applies only to PCs. But you may be right. Hmm thinking about it, what alignment was she? Neutral Good? Chaotic Good? Lawful Neutral perhaps?

>>12961021

I'd put her at Neutral Good, with leanings toward True Neutral.

>>12961011
Tell me about it... BG1 was my first contact with D&D. I still don't know how i managed to finish it without having any idea how shit worked (also THAC0 and AC are rather confusing when you don't get them explained at all).

Things i remember:
Fucking kobolds and their autohit crossbows.
Explosive arrows. Fuck.
SPIDERS SPIDERS SPIDERS.
Ankheg AKA What the fuck is this doing here it's two shotting everyone (i think i skipped most sidequests so i was a tad undergeared and inexperienced by the time i had to cross that place).

>>12961011

Only for mages really, until you get to BG2 and need to satart worrying about anti-magic fights and shit like that it's not too hard to win fights with a decent melee/ranged party.

>>12961048

Mh. Khalid with AC -25 vs Missle weapons at lvl 6. No problem.

Sometimes BG is just too cheesy.

>>12961056
You're gonna need to deal with casters anyway, otherwise enjoy your spiders, ghouls and every other fight involving some nasty status effect.

>>12961020

Not him, but the point that's made frequently on our side of the argument is that if voice-acting is too expensive to allow for a full cast of characters maybe they shouldn't be voicing every damn one-line NPC in the game.

>>12961068

>sometimes PC games are just too cheesy

Well P&P too acutally.

>>12961048

Don't remind me about those fucking kobolds. I still remember getting ambushed by about a dozen commandos at level 3. Archers were gods in BG 1, archers with fire arrows were like The Emperor given pointy, instakill form.

>>12961068
Did i mention i had no clue what i was doing? Or level 6. Isn't like 7 the max for fighters in BG1?

>>12961076

Clerics are different from mages, clerics are actually useful without offensive magic and healing magic is reasonably easy to figure out. The only real issue I ever had with the BG learning curve was mage vs mage combat, I usually just cheated myself some scrolls of immunity to magic and left it at that.

BG1 with a melee/ranged party and a cleric is perfectly do-able and not particularly complex.

>>12961085

It is. 8 with the expansion.

>>12961056

Yeah, but Mages eventually became pretty much invincible to just about anything.

>>12961083
Don't forget explosive arrows, though at least those were only used by like 2 enemies. Who could shoot farther than you could see.

Why there's still no MINSC in this thread?

>>12961098

I just used a hasted mage with fire protection. Ran in circles around them while he shot at him, killing most of his own group. Pretty much all the Infinity Engine games were just based around knowing what you were doing.

>>12961103

>implying Minsc isn't in the heart of every true BG fan out there at all times, and especially so when speaking of our beloved games and having hard fits of nostalgy

The picture you've posted is not necessary ...but welcome.

>>12961122
That's not knowing what you were doing, that's abusing poor AI and having advance knowledge of what you'll encounter (AKA save every two steps). I love BG and all, but that doesn't make for particularly fun gameplay i think.

Out of interest, from a gameplay perspective, which did /tg/ prefer? Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights 1? While Baldur's Gate had an epic overarching plot, I did sometimes miss the lack of character customisation.

>>12961150
I'd say BG, NWN1 and it's "Go to 4 dungeons NESW of here and come back" on each act got quite dull.

>>12961139

Saving every two steps was pretty necessary in BG, unless you kept Charname out of combat.
And funnily enough, that was one of the few times I thought the AI's actions were justifiable. After all, if you saw a small horde charging at you, when you had an arrow ready, wouldn't you let fly?

>>12961077

This is an argument I can understand and support. On the other side, the voice acting was gorgeous at times and in retrospective I would really miss it. As I said, I can understand the argument and I support the notion to more characters (and characterdevelopment) instead of fancy features to promote a game. But in the case of DA:O I'm perfectly content with the presented solution.

>>12961150
>>12961150

I love NWN's engine and gameplay way more than that of BG2 (with it's endless reloading because of the engine's clunkiness and personal refusal to abuse the said engine), but the lack of actual tactical party control in NWN makes them about equal in my eyes.

>>12961176
I mean the part where you're shooting explosive arrows at a hasted mage running near your party and not dealing any damage to him, but you keep shooting despite hitting your party.

>>12961187

Well, yeah that is quite stupid. I could still justify it as nerves when sitting in a fuckhuge undercity surrounded by undead, and it being dark enough that you'd have no real way of knowing whether you were causing any damage or not, but that would just be making excuses.

>>12961179

What I didn't like about DA: O (or any of the Bio-Ware and Obsidian games for that matter) was that party members were pretty much forced on you. And even if you never took them along/got involved/or even spoke to them they still were "in" the party. Like at your camp site, or in your space ship/your base/whatever, you get the idea. That really annoyed me to no end at times.

>>12961150
BG wins in all the way. Misic rocks, hand painted maps rocks, and it actually have a plot.
But, there is a side of NwN that makes it attention worthy. Online play. Playing NwN on RP server may sometimes bring better roleplaying experience than pnp rpg. But i'd rather recommend NwN2 instead of NwN1, because you got more servers, graphics and mechanics are better, while rest is basically the same (if we are talking bout online play of course).

>>12961126

I can't bear him. His german dubbing is just too terrible. It makes my ears bleed.

>>12961228

I was kind of exaggerating when I made that post. Of course it's perfectly understandable that not all people are going to like Minsc.

But if it's the dub that kills it for you, why not just play the game in English?

>>12961228
>german dubbing

Why would you do that?

>>12961228

Whatith iseth thisith abouteth badeth dubbing.. eth.

>>12961262

Go away, you... you... double mary sue!

>>12961262
And who's this lass?

Okay so nostalgia'd through this thread and reinstalled BG2. For some reason, the game won't let me make the resolution higher than 1280x800 while my monitor is 1680x1050. It makes this otherwise beautiful game pretty damn ugly and hard to maneuever with. It doesn't help if I try to do it windowed, either.

Help :( ?

>>12961277

Best ye' not ask, wonderer.

>>12961279

Search the net for the infinity engine widescreen patch.

>>12961279
http://www.gibberlings3.net/downloads/#widescreen

>>12961281
Ah, but you know this only makes my curiosity even more nagging.
Out with it and lay all concerns aside!

>>12961277

She is Saerileth, 15 year old Aasimar Chosen of Tyr. She does to old english what Hannibal Lecter does to the minds of the innocent.

>>12961249
>>12961250

Well, I tried to change the sound/voices, didn't work though (for BG I). I hope it gets better, when I reach BG II (tutu), which is installed in english.

I played BG II before, but didn't take him with me, because I played neutral-aligned.

>>12961294
Saerilith.

Terrible (underage?) mary-sue romance-able paladin mod, complete with random ye olde englishe.

>>12961262
Fuck off, you game hijacking twit.

>>12961294

'Tis an abomination first and foremost. Not many of it's kind can compare themselves in their foulness to the overwhelming and nauseating evil that this companion mod for BG2 possesses.

Saerileth, it is called. Best ye' do not speak that name loudly, for it is said to cause misfortune to the speaker.
More than that I shall not say, for I have already said too much. Look further into it if you wish, but I warn thee, do it at your own sanity's peril.

>>12961311
Yeseth. She doeth be-eth 15th ofth aegeth.

>>12961294

She is also a blatant Mary Sue. Apart from her impossibly young age, particularly for a Chosen of TYR, she also has the entire party (Apart from the Canon love interests, who are characterised as vicious cruel, harpies compared to Saerileth's pure purity) worshipping the ground she walks on. She also follows the Lolful Stupid Paladin code, leaving you instantly if you so much as go against one of her whims. She leaves without returning the items she's wearing by the way.

>>12961345

Is she the lesbian character- mod- something?

I heard of somesuch.

Does Saerilith get worse as the game goes on or something? I started up a playthrough to see her for myself and I'm halfway done, and the rage seems really disproportionate.

>>12961369
You may just be a horrible caricature of a human being.

>>12961325
>>12961345
It basically becomes Saerileth's Gate II: Shadows of Saerileth.

The best part is she will literally die of a broken heart if you let the drow priestess in the Underdark sex you.

>>12961379

>>12961368

No. Although I know of the mod which you speak of. It's also horrible, though perhaps less so than this one.

>>12961369

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. HA.

Yes, she get's worse, much worse, wait until the marriage. Or the bit where, and this made me laughso hard at the implications, Phaere.

You remember how you got the option to sleep with her? And if you accepted, your Canon love interests would either be angry at you, or would even break up with you? Perfectly reasonable reactions, right? Saerileth dies. I mean, her heart literally breaks, on the spot, and she just crumples to the ground from shock.

>>12961379
>>12961383
Holy fucking shitdicks on a stick.

>>12961383

SEVENTEEN FOR THE WIN!

>>12961382
You probably mean

Ye olde grande doore o'f Saerileth'th parth twoe : Saerilith of Saerileth.
Fuck it:
Saerilith.
Saerilith.
Saerilith.

>>12961332
>>12961345
>>12961341
>>12961311

All of my ancestors feel my pain and guilt for asking.

>>12961379
>>12961383

Also please notice how absolutely every option at least implies that the protagonist is interested in her.
I mean: How could it be possibly otherwise?

>>12961423

Wait until you get forced into marriage. You literally can't turn her down without your character sounding like a soulless monster.

Option 1> Yeseth, my deareth Saeriletheth. Let us be wed!
Option 2> No, I hate you. I've basically been toying with your feelings all this time just for this very moment, where I could turn you down, rape you and then drink your tears. You mad?

>>12961472

Now I just want to make a Chaotic Neutral Wild Mage runthrough the trilogy.

>>12961472
Also: I'm going to pork my (half) sister now.

God, the abyss revealed by Baldur's Gate 2.
I love it.
An incredibly high quote of female modders as well.

>>12961486

That makes it even funnier, since Saerileth can accidentally get her gender changed through wild magic surges. Which is possibly the only thing that could make her dialogue any more cringe-worthy. No, but my generalist mage basically took Option 2, because the dialogue in ToB get's even worse. I can post some examples, if you want.

>>12961522
Please do.

>>12961518

Oh God, I totally forgot about the terribad Imoen romance mod. Is it REALLY as bad as they say?

>>12961522

doitfgt.jpg

>>12961268
Stats

Str: 13
Dex: 25
Con: 16
Int: 12
Wis: 12
Cha: 14

>Chloe grew up near Neverwinter in a small orphanage. She claims to be the bastard offspring of Akadia, goddess of air and speed of movement, and a mortal man. Though she has no proof of her heritage, her supernatural speed and skill certainly give it some credibility. Chloe is driven by some inner urge to improve her skills constantly, spending hours a day practicing whenever she can. You wonder how she manages to fight so well when most would be fatigued from this constant practice, but she simply gives you a friendly smile and says it's simply due to daily practice and not to her divine heritage. She feels a certain kinship to you and Imoen, due to your similar divine parentage.

>>12961548

Chloe.

Worst.

Name.

Ever.

So hey /tg/, lets make a lulzy comparison between Chloe and Saerileth, which one is the worst mary sue? Which one is the lulzier? Which mod author is more batshit insane? All to be found out in the next episode of /tg/'s BG fanboyism show.

>>12961522

Ok, here you go.

>In my thought I didst see thee standing by the lake of Everspring, thy reflection and I both watching thee.~
>(Kiss Saerileth's nose.) My silly little bride. What will you think of next?~

AND

>(You have stopped for the night, and Saerileth is kneeling before the fire.)~
>I have been preparing for thee a meal as like to those of my home as this world doth allow.~
>(Sniff.) What is it?
>'Tis called Shepherd's stew.

In case you can't tell, the one who adds -eth to everything is Saerileth.

>>12961586
>which one is the worst mary sue?

I think I'd give it to Chloe, because as an actual combat character Saerilith's not that good.

>>12961587

AND IT GETS WORSE

>(Saerileth continues to recite softly, and you content yourself with gazing upon her loveliness.)

>Saerileth, I dream of a universe where your eyes are the stars, and everyone worships the night

>(Saerileth laughs and deftly ducks behind you, tickling you in return.) I have escaped thee, <CHARNAME>, and now thou art at *my* mercy!

>>12961587
>>12961641

*GAG*

Oh god... gods... gnostic entities... SOMEONE MAKE THE HURTING GO AWAY.

>>12961587
>In case you can't tell, the one who adds -eth to everything is Saerileth.

Maybe her name is actually just Saeril but when you made your introductions you were all like, "HEY, MARY SUE, WHAT IS YOUR NAME?" and she was like "Saerileth."

>>12961641

But all this pales to what happens if you give her the Ring of Gaxx. You know, THE SUPER UNIQUE ITEM YOU HAD TO FIGHT MULTIPLE LICHES AND KANGAXX TO GET.

>That thou givest me this ring once more doth tell me thou wouldst have it destroyed by the light of Wounded Tyr.

>May he grant his Chosen the strength to do it!

She does it. I hadn't saved for a half hour.

>>12961641
The thing that bugs me the most about the romance mod is that it was clearly written by a creepy neckbeard whose romantic interactions with the opposite sex appear to be somewhat limited.

>>12961683

Serves you right for actually playing that mod.

>>12961688

I think this has been written by a neckbeard, too. But I hope it is just very elaborate and successful trolling.

>>12961688
Female neckbeard. The creepier the BG2 mod, the higher the chances it was written by a woman.

>>12961711
Yeah. That's why I wrote "the opposite sex" instead of "women".

>>12961699

I had no idea how creepy it was until I was about 10 hours in. I kept going for a little bit longer , but making me reload was the last straw. Saerileth was regrettably, and brutally, massacred when she tried to solo a Red Dragon.

>>12961738
Sorry. It's 3am so the faculties of my brain responsible for subtleties are long since gone.

>>12961744

A pity. Really.


...
No really!...

>>12961744

Also, I will happily give a dozen internets to any who play the Imoen mod, Saerileth mod and Solaufein mod simultaneously. Your sacrifice will be remembered.

>>12961586

Chloe may be a Sue, but for some reason I actually didn't mind her.

>>12961782

>Solaufein mod

DOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

>>12961548
Well, you've got to admit she would be a pretty good character concept if she wasn't a daughter of a god.

The character of Tali'Zorah has reached out and captured our hearts and our imagination and we want more. Much more.

This has been archived. HAMSTERS AND RANGERS EVERYWHERE, REJOICE!

>>12961875

Why? It's not that good a thread.

>>12961382
PIC! Need now!

>>12961875 This has been archived

Why?

>>12961850
YES!

All of this makes me weep that the creator of Minsc wouldn't let the quest where Boo becomes intelligent go through.

Playing the Saerileth mod is worth it. Why?

If you finish ToB, she'll tell you not to become a god when you're offered the chance. It's not even a suggestion, she knows, absolutely KNOWS that you'll listen to her, because your love is perfect and true and all of that.

If you choose to become a god anyway, her personality completely breaks and then as you first action as a god, you disintegrate her.

>>12961927

I don't think they managed to complete it in time. Go to the G3 website. I thing they got the original files and then finished it themselves, or something along those lines.

>>12961782
I installed almost every BG2 NPC romance mod I could find. Thought of actually playing it fills me with a sort of vague dread though. So I take the cowardly way out and just poke through it with Infinity Explorer. Many of them are terrible. Some are kind of hilarious.

>>12961987

I suggest you actually PLAY the game with all those NPCs in your party. You'll either love it, or won't live to regret it.

I fucking hated that gnome! Enough about turnips for gods sake!

>>12962037

> Hated Jan

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/baldursgate2shadowsofamn/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-41439809

link very related

>>12961912

You're more beautiful than I imagined!

>>12961782
Is the Solaufein mod really that bad? (I know there's a just-companion one and a romance one)

>>12962142

Another mary sue 'tis all.

Holy shit, just poked around in the Chloe mod. It's worse than I thought. She kills Anomen. In broad daylight. Because he was polite to female Charname. And everyone cheers like she's a fucking saint. I never though Saerileth would have a challenger, but there you are.

I dunno, Deekin was a Bro.
He went up against the Mephistophele and told the bastard to fuck off cause he was your friend.

>>12962160
At least they're extrapolating from somebody who's actually in the game, for him.
Softy ca/tg/irl is softy and kind of likes the idea of helping him get safely out of the Underdark.

>>12962175
Mephistopheles even. Fucking typo.

>>12962161
that's because no one likes Anomen

>>12962175
he is a God Tier Bro, i can hear his doom song in my head right now

>>12962160
From what I saw while browsing the net two different places offer different Solaufein mods. One platonic as just your new fight-buddy, one that can have the romance in. At least, I think that was the case.

>>12962194

Being the only canon romance option for females it's quite ironic that his name is pronounced "Ah no men". Kinda feels like when you first play NWN2 and the only romance option you get is terribad and it would be better with no romance at all.

But honestly, Anomen isn't THAT horrible, he's a young, arrogant and somewhat naive noble and acts the part. I think he's no less well-written than the rest of the cast. I agree that he can be hard to get along with as a person though.

>>12962269
I'm a bit scared to ask, but who was the romance option for female characters? Sand?

>>12962286

Old Owl's Well.

Hell as far as I know Sand would probably be a better option, he was cool (as far as lawful-neutral hedge wizards go). Last I heard there was a Sand romance mod out there, and people actually digged it.

Isn't Chloe a super-powered customization of the kensai kit, too?

>>12962312
>Old Owl's Well.

?

>>12962334

The Paladin. Casavir. Who doesn't have much more to his personality than Old Owl* Well.

>>12962286

Casavir

>>12962355
>>12962356
Ah, thank you. Didn't even remember him. Other than Sand I would have guessed Bishop as he was soooooooo troubled and brooding.

>>12961963
Nah, the creator said that Boo was not an actual space hamster and the BI guys respecte dhis wishes. The original quest has Boo kidnapped and taken to Tradesmeet where a druid awakens him.

>>12962402

I think that got re-instated in the Unfinished Business mod. Or a quest where Boo get's kidnapped was added anyway. It's absolutely hilarious. Minsc go's insane. Well, more insane at any rate.

>>12960643

Selfish self-interest makes her a complex generic goth bro, hurr durr durr.

>>12962402

Speaking of BG and NWN
what are some of the best modules for NWN 2.

I recently played that subtlety of thay one and it was pretty good,are there any others like it?

Goodnight /tg/, it was a good thread.

>>12962434
Yes! It is in the UB mod!

>>12959951

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[spoiler]Hanharr was here, you are small time![/spoiler]