Undead logic gates?
I like the way you think.

It'd be huge and slow, but that's what pocket planes with faster time flow are for.

Using whole zombies or skeletons would consume too much space but maybe you could use skulls or hands as components.

I wonder, how many skeletons would an undead calculator involve.

For a simple calculator, you'd need a huge dungeon and LOTS of time.

Ah /tg/ this is why I love you.

No OP, what you need to do is create a dynamo and make a horde of skeletons pedal a thousand bikes for eternity, thereby producing FREE ELECTRICITY FOR ETERNITY.

CAPTAIN OF THE INDUSTRY

>>12936435
And that is what liches live for.

>>12936435
good it gives an explination on why the dungeon is there and full of monsters

>>12936435
What if you just animated really tiny undead - like pixies or something - and then applied Reduction to them - you could make the space required shrink considerably.

Maybe the size of a large room.

>>12936429
Oh my god

Every second, look at those two zombies. If only one of them has its hand up, put your hand up.

And then you have a NAND gate, and technically can build any logical circuit from there.

Memory storage is going to be a bitch, though.

Guys, guys, hey! Guys! Hear me out on this one! What if ... Honestly guys, listen! What if one of Tuckers Kobolds was a Necromancer with lots of time and they had access to this undead computer? We need to work on this, gaiz! I want to wipe a party and explain to them that they just got killed by COMPUTER SCIENCE!

>>12936447
Now you understand why lichs build gigantic armies of the undead and build their dungeons just so.
>Welcome to the Machine.

>Lich makes a computer out of undead

I am running this one-shot.

I am running it SO. HARD.

A demiplane full of skeletons, with a vastly accelerated time rate and a limited gate to access it. Add a bound lich to the mix (as a command center), build multiple tiny access points in the form of calculators, start a business. Later models include permanently reduced and hasted pixie skeletons.

>>12936455
But zombie gate doesn't have to be just on/off. They can have several values like Left hand up, Right hand up, no hands up and both hands up.

>Welcome to the lair of the Dread-Lich Korthos.
Why are half of the zombies here marked "1" and the other half marked "0"?
>He's got a theory he's trying out, something to do with creating the world's largest self-generating 'computer'.

>>12936480
Zombie quantum computer. Fuck year.

...wait, wait, wait.
Lich is programmer, fine.
Skeletons are software, cool.
Dungeons are circuit boards, whatever.
Adventurers... are those viruses?

>>12936495
yep......

>>12936489
I so often forget to tell you how much I love you /tg/

With this, we shall rewrite Troll GM History!

>>12936495
Not... precisely, no.

>>12936502
what if the lich is just trying to play pong to practice for a litch pong tournement,

You could even, after successfully building the undead computer, write a code that instructs it to send out warrior undead to gather more bodies to add to the computer. It could eventually be so advanced it becomes self aware, a mind made of the mindless.

>>12936500
>>12936495
Bards = spam virus
Rogues = trojans
Druids = botnetting
Cleric/Sorceror/Wizard/Monk/Fighter/Ranger = ????

>>12936507
>>12936495
adventurers are more like, well an insect or bacteria that eats away circut boards

>>12936495
Doing this in next campaign. Gonna send elite soldiers after my adventurers pretending to be anti-viruses.

>>12936511
I'm a 20th level Artificial Intelligence!

>>12936511
My next BBEG is undead skynet

>>12936512
well cleric just deletes everything, fighter does the same, wizard would also qualify for botnetting, ummm.....

>>12936522
why not have the lich thats responsible basically act like a stereotypical engineering geek.

>>12936522

>>12936531
Because the idea of mindless undead just going through their orders creating an advanced intelligence is much cooler.

>>12936531
the lich that created the undead computer is one of the mini-bosses, not the Big Bad.

>>12936545
That begs the question: what *is* the big bad?

>>12936549
The artificial intelligence created by the undead computer, of course.

>>12936537
>>12936545
the lich could really just have done the entire thing for the lulz..

>>12936549
Obviously the father of the group leader who left because his son became a bard instead of computer engineer.

>>12936558
Liches have eternity to do whatever they want. It wanted to see if it could create a mind from nothing, and it did. It just didn't anticipate the mind eventually being able to control it.

Now it forces it to wage war on the living to generate more corpses.

how big of a dungeon you need to have enough computing power to run dorf fortress?

>>12936567
thats a possible reason he built it, thats what i was trying to say

>>12936569
The more interesting question is, how much computing power do you need to run a version of Dorf Fortress that's capable of running a Skeletron™ inside it?

>>12936564
Oh you mean this guy. :3

>>12936590
I now kinda understand what Nagash had in mind.

>>12936590
Manbackingawayfromcomputer.jpg

My god... it's full of dorf fortresses...

>Skeliton Computer.

...oh dear god...this is brilliant!

>>12936605
Thats a technological impossibility and the only way to prove that we are not in some sort of Matrix IRL. A Program within a Program can never surpass the amount of Data of the first Program. You could make a DF light inside it, but never recreate the original

>evidence Rogres
Sure captcha, evidenced

This is an insane, impractical idea that abuses the rules of the system to produce a result that is so ridiculously fantastic & useful it could be used to pretty much break the game world.

...in other words, yet another wonderful creation from /tg/ that fills me with nerd joy. GG, OP, GG.

>>12936614
What if the origional program expanded itself while recreating itself? Sure the interior program would never become a true copy of the whole program this way, but it would constantly mimic it in a way that eventually would surpass the what the main program origionally was. This would be possible with a growing undead computer network, right?

>>12936614
Well, that's not strictly true. The outer Fortress would always use more memory than the inner fortress, but provided the computer running the outer fortress has infinite memory, there's no reason you couldn't program dwarf fortress in dwarf fortress.

>>12936614
I get what you're saying, but how is this proof of anything?
How can you KNOW how much potential data this theoretical matrix can hold?

Now I don't believe we're IN a program or something of the sort, but I'm just wondering how your statement is proof.

>>12936625
Play Disc World rpg and no one bats an eye. :P

Hello World

>>12936638
>>12936635
>>12936633
Okay, I'm partly talking out of my ass here but I guess you all know that I am no Quantum Scientist or sth, just an interested hobbyist.

That said, it would be possible for the Program inside the Program to create a Matrix/DF/someshitlikethat environment, but never up to the point to recreating the size of the Original. The memory power used by the subprocess will never be able to exceed the original prgram it is run in. BUT in theory there is the possibility to somehow bend time. Now is the point where it gets REALLY theoretical and you need real world litertature to find those theories explained in Detail, but: The memory used in the Subprogram can never exceed that of the original Program, but with enough storage, you COULD probably "bend time" inside the subprogram, calculating everything at a slower pace, using the available memory of the Original program to it's maximum extent to create a slower-moving copy of the original program. By bending time even more you COULD make a program inside a program bigger than the Original program.

Disclaimer: All I just said is to the best of my knowledge, but I don't tell you that I fully get it. It's really theoretical and really scientific. Go to your local library or bookstore to learn more.

>>12936633

If you're going with the Skeletton-idea, it's possible. The new superprogramm's using all possible channels (arm positions, head turns, jaws) while the Lich has designed his system on a binary basis (one arm up or down)

This thread needs to be archived. NAOW!

or, you know, just have them pull levers to open floodgates or something

>>12936556
Look at you, adventurer. A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?

>>12936719
Well, here's the project for this thread: Make a dungeon supercomputer out of mindless undead.

>>12936692

It's already been archived on suptg!

>>12936719
Technically, undead SHODAN would be meat and bone too.

>>12936768
Could just be bone if they only used skeles.

>>12936768
yes and in any case it would be kind of redundant due to the first two system shocks being both cyberpunk dungeon crawls

It's funny.

It's funny because Im having an exam on Logical Gates in 3 hours.

This thread is actually helping me pass the class, MORE NAND AND NOR GATES

>>12936614
It could draw power from the plane of negative energy or something.

Wait wait I have a question

what is loot

I mean, adventurers go in as viruses and then kill stuff, why does skeleton #23 have a potion of barkskin on him? what part of Skeletron Computers does this play?

OP, you are a scholar.

>>12936823
Data. And the antiviruses that will loot on them that helps them be more efficient antiviruses.

I just had the best idea for a BBEG, OP, THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH.

Here is my idea, the Lich is trying to figure out some Mcguffin spell or computation, it takes forever to figure out and because of the nature of the Mcguffin you will forget the first half by the time you finish the second half thus invalidating the entire process.

That is where the skeleton computer comes in, he gets each set of skeletons to observe a certain parameter, and if it works a certain way they raise their hand. Then if both skeletons on either side of the next tier's skeleton raises their hands, that skeleton raises its hand. And so on and so on for a super long time.

Above it all is a flying skull that has a ream of parchment in its mouth, and as the skull flies over the mass of raised hands it actually uses its individual teeth to punch out a punch card that keeps record of every single raised hand.

Then the lich will be able to bring all the punch cards of DOOM together and use it to sing the song that ends the world...

>>12936809
Exactly what I was thinking.

>>12936823

Some of the skellies are still wearing their bling. The lich does not care for it.

>>12936823
Storage. Which you can find in the hardest, toughest to break into room at the middle of the dungeon. You'd need a lot of DRIVE to reach a location that HARD

>>12936844
The rest is cool but drop:
>forget the first half by the time you finish the second half thus invalidating the entire process.
It just seems goofy. It could just be that fantastically complex that it requires the skeletron.
>>12936840
I get the feeling a lot of groups are going to come up against a skeletron A.I. and lich creator this summer.

>>12936851

but

if it's storage, what can you store in a Healer's Kit +1? Or a Ring of Protection +2?

I just had an idea! What if, say, lots and lots of undead have suddenly appeared in an area, and at night they go out to hunt for living beings to drag back to wherever they come from. Naturally, a group of adventurers will hear of this and come have a look. They find the usual underground dungeons, full of skeletons, zombies and stuff, although they're marked with different colours, and some of them are completely prone. And after awhile they stumble on a set of rooms where the floor is uneven: in fact it's a labyrinth, full of shrunken skeletons in different colours, running around, seemingly at random, but if anyone in the party is clever, he might notice that they seem to have some form of pattern they move in. And a group of standard-sized undead move around and use wands of, say, permanent light, to light up cloured windows into the dungeon.
There is no end boss.

>>12936847
You could even have the lich cast the players into the NecroMatrix on the verge of defeat as a mini-adventure where everyone is sentient undead.

>>12936512
clerics are either the kind of virus that deletes your files(good cleric turning) or the kind that takes control over your mouse and keyboard(evil cleric rebuking)

Wizards are all kinds of viruses, from the kind that keylog(scrying wizards) to the kind that multiply and fill up your HD(Necromancer making his own undead) to the kind that makes lots of pop ups(Illusionist) and also potentially the kind that DLs and installs other viruses onto your computer(High level time and reality changing spells and summon monsters)

Paladin is the kind that either corrupts or out and out deletes your files(Smite evil or turn undead)

Fighters corrupt your files(They destroy undead but the undead's body is still there to be reanimated)

Bards are those annoying pop ups that don't really cause any harm but take a couple seconds to click the X.

>>12936859
>Bards are those annoying pop ups that don't really cause any harm but take a couple seconds to click the X.
I lol'd.

Wouldn't you also need a number of skeletons/undead to creat a dot matrix type screen to display the output as well, just so you know it's actually readable by people.

>>12936856
In short, the undead were made by someone to work in a strict "x leads to y leads to p" etc. system. So when a skeleton starts to get worn out, a little chain process is made in the maze, which commands the undead with wands to light up specific windows, which sends a short, primitive code, which tells other undead to go out and find new living things to turn.
Hm... Maybe we do need a lich after all. Which could also be on auto, of course.

>>12936856

Halfway through, the adventurers could find a particular system of switches and pulleys. If they work out how to activate it, a number of undead in the darker, danker and least traipsed parts of the dungeon spontaneously combust.

That's right, they hit the defrag button.

>>12936869
I'm sure the lich can read it by Necromancy and the A.I. is hooked up to it anyway. Does anyone else even need to know?

For data storage, just paint dots on a plank of hardwood. Have a set of skeletons who move these planks around and tend to the shelves, have an additional memory space to keep track of stored planks, have a set of skeletons who can read the planks. There, our computer has a punch card memory. We could even make it programmable this way.

>>12936859

So, rogues must be troyans, getting into the computer and stealing data.

Screnncap'd

Someone turn this into some sort of motivational.

>>12936854
Yep. I "suddenly" have a GREAT idea for an adventure.

I just wonder how I can make this suitable for level 2 PCs....

Well, I think I will run this. I'll probably have the lich be waging a war for more corpses simultaneously on every kind of populated plane there is.

I'm not sure what the goal of the calculation will ultimately be. Maybe just an 'off switch' for reality without all of that fussing about with negative energy or Elder Evils. I'll also definitely feature the A.I., that's a wonderful idea.

Plus, if the calculation is in some way connected to reality that allows for the spell that throws the players' minds into this 'calculated reality' and thus a Matrix side-adventure.

Thanks /tg/, you've just given me what looks like a potentially very epic campaign.

>>12936876
I like the idea of a skull that uses its teeth to make punch cards better. The punch cards represent which skeletons are supposed to have their hands up.

Also I find there are so many ways to use this concept.

For starters, have your players attempting to stop a lich from using an epic level spell he found, it gives everything around it 2d8 negative levels, anything that his level 0 or -1 dies, anything that goes to -4 becomes a skeleton, -8 is skeleton lord, -12 is skeleton master.

The lich is attempting to use this epic spell to get skeletons to make his computer, your party has to stop it, but in the end they fail causing the skeleton computer to form! Now they must figure out what its purpose is and how to stop it!

>>12936894
No no, the lich is elsewhere: What IS causing the undead invasion is a malfunction in the system. The players gets to fight through the usual horde, and when they encounter the lich, he's just returned to see what the ruckus is about.

>>12936854 skeletron A.I.

>mfw my undead skynet now has a name

>>12936894
The lich is creating the undead version of Deep Thought?

>>12936903
Nah, I'm not running something over a dozen or more levels just to have an anticlimax like that. The lich made the skeletron for some grand and nefarious purpose in my campaign, you can use the absentee programmer in yours.

>>12936902
Problem with this: you could just make an epic spell that creates an ordinary supercomputer of infinite potential. Epic magic is fucked.

>>12936908
Deep Rot

I still advocate a shrunken maze full of shrunken gnome skeletons. Why? Because that way you can set off a chain reaction without relying too much on skeleton intelligence: They just have to go here when this happens. Keep a group at every turn so there'll always be enough. And it also gives you an excuse to turn hundreds or even thousands of gnomes into undead and then shink them. Why gnomes? Because they're already short which makes them shorter when you shrink them, and they have reasonably thick bones, unlike halflings. And when the system registers that fewer skeletons are moving around, they signal for others to find more "future skeletons" which they can turn using wands and such.

>>12936908
Actually that's a great idea. Immortal ennui taken to its conclusion.

"I've lived for hundreds of thousands of years. I've seen entire races prosper and then ultimately disappear, not just from this reality but from every reality there is. I've instructed thousands, and seen hundreds follow in my footsteps. I've killed gods, and been killed by gods in turn only to reform and continue my existence. I am the first lich, and finally I devised a way to ask - what is the point of it all? That's what you're looking at right now. These corpses, this machine. It's the ultimate question."

this is like the peasant railgun idea that morphed into the peasant email system.

i love you guys.

Hey, you fucking munchkins with your 'Wings of Flurry' and your 'Wishes' and youe 'Wall of Rape' or whatever.

YOU ARE SMALL-TIME.

This. THIS is how you gamebreak 3.5.

Let it be known, /tg/entlemen.

>>12936894
The Lich wanted to create, to overcome not only the boundries of life, death and everything, but to CREATE everything. He is building a fuckhuge supercomputer to create a reality. Not a plane, not a Multiverse but to make the Big Bang happen. Problem: The Lich is no longer, the machine has become a god, multiple cores extending to multiple planes and demiplanes. The first encounter the PC's have is a giant dungeon, the bigest they have ever seen. ANd yet - It is just a subroutine-processor.

But the AI was functioning normally until you damn meddeling adventurers came and ruined everything! That very first room of skeletons you wiped out was what was keeping it under my control instead of expanding, invading the planes for more and more hardware upgrades.

>>12936983
>Build skeletons to keep your A.I. under control
Advicelichprogrammer.jpg
>Put it unprotected at the front of the dungeon!

Wouldn't the undead A.I. itself become able to cast spells as its intelligence increased? In fact, it would be able to cast spells like a wizard relatively easily. Wizards cast spells based on hand motions, timing and saying certain words that they have memorized, correct? Shit, formula like that is what computers were MADE FOR. As the memory and size of the undead computer increased, so would the casting power. Bifurcate the processes and create subprograms running simultaneously and the dungeon itself would be able to cast multible spells at a time out of seemingly know where, using next to no stored memory. And since a computer wouldn't need t worry about forgetting the spells after casting (just having a 20 go to 10 kind of set up after the cast is over to recast it) it would have theoreticly UNLIMITED SPELL SLOTS.

At least, that is how I've always understood wizards to work at least. Can anyone who has looked into it more conferm or deny this?

>>12936989

Undead AI

Casting spells

playing with adventurers

...GlaDOSkeleton?

>>12936989
I'd only advice that if you really want to kill your players. Otherwise I'd use slaved casters built into the machine.

The 'never forget spells' thing doesn't really work either. That's an arcane process, not a logical one.

>>12936988
Liches
No sense of right or wrong.

>>12936989
Magic wand producing undead A.I.. The A.I. can cast spells and it can arm its minions with dangerous magic as well. Fuck skeletons with melee weapons.
Or how about this, a room with pressure platers everywhere. Step on one and the under-the-floor mechanics sets of a simple chain reaction, say, a tiny skeleton runs out, signaling to another skeleton to pull a lever which will open a tiny hole in the roof/in the wall, and another level to activate a wand.
How is this better than the usual traps, magic or not? Because wands can be switched and therefore will never run out, unless the production centre, which is hidden, is wiped out.

Cleric casting Turn Undead is equivalent to some jerk dropping a giant electromagnet on your hard drives.

>>12937002
Oh, I wasn't talking about actually running a dungeon about that. Just talking about theory and what would or wouldn't be possible within the confines of the game and the computer. Having a dungeon that infinitly casts timestop on itself the second it is under attack is interesting in concept, but wouldn't be any fun to play.

>>12936989
Great. Now undead skynet can cast any spell it wants to.
Holy shit.
Locate City Nuke.

It really is skynet!

1- considering the reaction time of undeads it will take thousand of years to do the most basic stuff
2- even one zombie not paying 100% attention will fuck the whole thing up
3- you can do it better with magically enchanted stones or something
4- in a world with MAGIC you dont really need computers
5- zombie computer is cool ignore the above

>>12937027
not to mention that even a basic ancient computer will basically require the entire planets surface to be populated with said undeads

>>12937027
>zombies paying attention
I lol'd

Also ignore this post. This thread is awesome.

>>12937031
I thought that was part of the point. There is some Lich lord going around digging up graves and killing people in order to get more undead for his computer.

>>12936989
In game terms, that wouldn't work. Skellynet wouldn't be a creature, it would be a colllection of billions of skeletons working in concert, none of which are intelligent, none of which have spell slots.
Fluff-wise, all you need to become a wizard is study. Which skynet definitely can do. So yeah, I'd let it pass.

>>12937031
This is why we use shrink. Or another plane

>>12937027
Skeletons tend to be faster than their living counterparts. No one would use zombies.

Still, plane with different rate of time solves the speed and space problem.

What if you somehow program one of these http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Caller_In_Darkness and have them act as the central A.I.? To make sure that everything runs smoothly.

>>12937048
Also, planes solve the storage issue. If you replaced some skeletons arms with quills you, in theory, a very primitive print out system

Could have the lich use the compute to calculate the tax for the surrounding kingdoms and get paid in corpses to do it.
Would also press the whole operation into a more legit territory.

>>12936908
Or, it could be the IBM supercomputer Deep Thought. The entire undead computer, all the slaughtering and marauding to get the corpses to make it, all of it is just so the lich can have a decent chess partner.

Just have a room full clattering of skulls that each make a different tone. If the skull is making a noise then it is 1 and if it is silent then it is 0

I have been on 4chan for a long goddamned time, and there are very, VERY few threads I'd count as legendary.

This is one such thread.

Holy shit.

>>12937058
Those would probably arise naturally within the system.

I still can't think of anything that the computer would be calculating if it's run by a lich.

I do verymuch like the idea of it being an AI wizard, but then it's very easy to disrupt I would think. Would make for an epic final encounter if done right though.

>>12937088
Time to hire the LE party as debuggers

>>12937095
I like Deep Thought. The reason for all existence suits something immortal. The other reality one is pretty good too.

>>12936429
But with that faster processing speed would come an equivalently fast rate of decay. It would consume corpses at an alarming rate.

What if the lich just sequestered himself in a relatively slow plane, thus speeding up computations (relative to him) while keeping its decay the same relative to its supply of new 'hardware'?

>>12937098
Haha, that is awesome! This could be a dungeon for a good or evil party. Good party is trying to destroy it to stop it from growing obviously.

The evil party is hired by the lich because the computer got out of his control, and he can't be bothered to go and fix it himself.

>>12937103
Or he could do both!

The plane(s) with the skeletons could be flooded with negative energy, preventing them from decaying too quickly.

I might have to reread Neuromancer for this shit.

>>12936511
PHYREXIA IS SELF-AWARE!?

OP here, I love you guys.

Deep Rot is going to be in my game sometime soon.

Someone archive this, I'm going to bed.

>>12937103
>Necromantic skeletons
>Decay
Your point about reaction times is crap anyway. So is the attention span one. They do what they are commanded to do, they have no attention for doing other things BECAUSE all their attention is fixated upon the task at hand.

Before the adventurers get into the dungeon have it guarded by a wall of fire and a troll named Norton.

>>12937196
And have them delayed - always delayed - by it. Absolutely unkillable, with nothing to stop it from regenerating and coming back to pester them.

>>12937196
It would certainly be a vicariously fulfilling pleasure to grapple Norton and burn him alive in his own firewall.

>>12937215
Nah, he can't be killed but he's completely useless. All he does is get in your way and annoy you

>>12937095
Actually, I have an idea.

Old gods and other Cthuloid beings are beyond understand and good or evil right?

I've always wondered the effect Cthulu would have on machine life.

Suppose, in life, the lich was an Alienist.

>>12937267
In that same vein, Illithids bring a whole new level to this concept.

>>12937267

Please elaborate.

>>12936489
No. This wouldn't make a quantum computer; it'd just halve the number of skeletons you'd need to represent a certain number of bits. We've built computers that work like this IRL, with different voltage levels instead of different skeletal arms being raised.

>>12937289
Well, Illithids have a very obvious question to ask it at least.

>>12937317
Can undead computers see why brains are so delicious?

It's because they have gray-matter swirls in every bite!

How about all the skeletons are in one room in grid formation and they are processing, raising a hand or whatever and something small that can fly goes overhead and evaluates everything and then those numbers are then given to a more intelligent creature and it lights up certain windows making 'calculations' and these calculations are observed and transfered into readable information by the Lich??

What use would a lich have for an undead computer? He can calculate how far away something is or some shit? Without other computers wont the first be useless? Forgive my retardation, im pretty tired.

>>12937095
>I still can't think of anything that the computer would be calculating if it's run by a lich.

The party won't know the question. But once they are about to destroy the entire structure, the lich will appear and reveal that this was part of his plan all along and that the players' interactions with the undead horde (that is, the computer) was simply an amusing form of gathering random numbers. Now that the lich's answer is ready, the party is no longer needed, and the lich would move to dispose of them. Cue boss fight.

The party will destroy the lich and find his most vital undead servant, who vocalizes the computer's results. It would tell them "42", and speak no more. The computer system would then go inert. End adventure.

>>12937307
Alienists are basically wizards who study aberrations in hopes of understanding them.

So, alienist in life. Becomes a lich to continue study (and perhaps be able to safely infiltrate mind flayer groups).

Decides that he needs a "larger brain" and in his madness conceives of a system of "yes and nos" which lead to a higher power of intelligence.
He creates his undead computer and leaves it as the metaphorical "DOS" screen.

He uses telepathy of some kind to gain awareness of everything going on around him and begins to manipulate the undead machine with his mind, which seeks even more corpses to increase it's processing power.

All in the name of becoming Cthulu's equal or surpassing him.

>>12937193
material still decays you tard bone wont last 2 million years in the open
and even ti their full attention centered on the task they can still fail "perception checks" if surrounded by a hundred similarly looking arms doing the same thing as the one they are supposed to track

A modern Core i7 (Quad) has 731,000,000 transistors. Logic gates use 2 transistors each with NOR using only one.

But skeletons are instructable enough that each can be made into a gate by itself.

To this you need to add skeletons for the memory (two bits (arms)per skeleton, inefficient, several bytes with the plank method) and display operation purposes (perhaps one skeleton per pixel).

Thus you'd need about 400 million skeletons to make a modern quad core desktop.

And of course a fast time-flow plane to run the computer fast.

Of course with neither time nor space limiting you could make a cloud supercomputer net for the AI purposes.

But now you realize a true AI will take almost unimaginable amounts of resources to build out of skeletons.

>>12937429
Magic. Also, a maze with thin walls so that each skeleton only sees what he needs to see.

>>12937435
Well, we have all the time that we need...

Does it necessarily need to be humanoid skeletons? Anything could be programmed to respond to the necessary stimuli. Skeleton dogs pulling on bones, skeleton rats running different directions on a wheel, etc.

The troll named Norton was a brilliant idea.

>>12937435
Is there are limit to the amount of humanoids you can breed? Is there are limit to the number of demiplanes you can interconnect?

>>12937357
Nah. The Illithids are time travellers from a future where they controlled everything. Not just the world, but the universe. They travelled back in time because of some rebellion or catastrophe. They brought some things with them like the Gith. The Illithids don't know how to go from where they are now to where they are in the future. They'd ask it how they go about conquering the universe.

As a side note, this is why Aboleths are scared of Illithids. A lot of Aboleth knowledge comes from their inherited memory, and they've been around since almost the formation of the world. They can find almost anything by looking at their memory of most of history itself - except the Illithids, who just appear one day out of nowhere.

>>12937459
Why not insects? Say, an entire swarm of undead locusts? Rocky Mountain locust can form swarms of up to 12,5 trillion individuals.

In fact, connect this to the game world by making the lich use that particular species. Despite its vast success, the Rocky Mountain locust suddenly vanished in late 19th century. Why? Because the computer-building lich reached into our plane and stole the entire species to use as his minions.

>>12937435
Actually, thanks to the rules-wonkery of the commoner rail-gun (or, in this case, the commoner delivery service), the fastest you can make the skeleton computer would be one operation per round for the entire system.

On the other hand, the only limit to the number of processors and sub-processors you could string together would be the number of skeletons under control, leading to preference for neural networking over a CPU model.

couldn't you do it by fingers, and have multiple bits or whatever per skeleton?

And maybe use scrying to cut processing time?

Excuse me if i've overlooked something crucial, its getting late.

>>12936940
>this is like the peasant railgun idea that morphed into the peasant email system.

WHAT

LINK TO THREAD?

>>12937531
Go to 1d4chan and search for it. Or google the sucker.

>>12937435
Not that a lich would, probably, need that much processing power. We've sent men to the moon on a fraction of that. In fact, the only thing you'd want that much for - potentially - is spell casting.

>>12937537
I liked the idea of using it to compute or generate a spell beforehand in such a way that he could pull up the memory, activate the AI and use it as a means to do the ritual that would be needed to cast the spell.

>>12937531
Long story short, if you ready an action, that action completes at the same time as the triggering action. Have a line of people who ready an action to pass an item forward. Then hand a package to the person at the back of the line. The line ends up at the front of the line at the same time, NO MATTER HOW LONG THE LINE IS.

>>12937513
The bits (data) isn't the bottleneck. In the quad core example only a small fraction is used for memory. Problem is the logic density. There is no set fluff how intelligent one skeleton is. Can you make one skeleton do the job of several logic gates reliably? Noone can say.

Technically one sentient undead is already 'a computer', but what we are after is emergent intelligence, intelligence born out of unintelligent cells.


>>12937508
Any specific rules based assholery can go out the window. The same goes double for asshole ruleswankery based on rules born out of trying to make the rule system not read like a fucking lawbook and which no DM over 12 will use. Thus no npcs-passing-items-without-action-cost retardry.

But hey since you want so much to be an idiot, why not use short shouted syllables for data, instead of passing things. I'm sure there are no action cost to them either.

>>12937564
There aren't. Talking is a free action.

>>12937557
>>12937586

The sound of endless clicking as bone shudders against bone, repeated a thousand fold or more across every dungeon floor....

I think this was already said but sooner or later won't the bone joints of the skeletons wear down? I guess you could build redundancy systems to back up in case of that but then we need even more bodies to play with.

>>12937623
Its magic bitch I aint gotta explain shit

>>12937609
Nahh, it's just fun to wind up self important jerks.

>>12937623
Perhaps it would be possible to construct the dungeon so it auto-casts (or has permanently on) a gentle repose spell? That would solve any issues of decay.

>>12937623

probly not a problem. They only need most of the bones. Magic will keep em working.

>>12937623
Have you read the Abyssal books for Exalted? They got some real fun fluff for undead maintenance.

>>12937564
That only matters considering the A.I. Your question:
>Can you make one skeleton do the job of several logic gates reliably?
The answer is yes. Skeletons are not sentient. They are controlled utterly by the Necromancer. It is exactly the same as building something or constructing a piece of machinery, they will follow their set commands without fail.

>>12937635

Would it be possible for the lich to enslave other, weaker magic users to search out and fix worn-down skeletons? A sort of bad sector finder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug

if a man can build a computer in Minecraft with nothing more than fire, you can build a computer in D&D with undead.

>This thread.

As the party bursts through the door, they can see the lich standing with his back to them. the undead mage faces an opening in the wall, looking down into the room beyond. The sound of hundreds of marching feet can be heard. Skeletons moving towards their designated areas.
The lich turns around and faces the party. In a raspy voice, he speaks "It is too late now, mortals. You can not stop The Machine. Even if you destroy me now ,The Machine will continue, it will find new compoments to replace any you broke. You are so tiny, compared to the vastness of The Machine. You will be killed and integrated...
All of creation will be integrated, and there will be order, finally."

A group of heavily armoured skeletons bursts into the room from another door, with at their head, a huge troll.

The lich turns around to face the window again, giving an order to the newly arrived troops, "Remove these... bugs."

WHAT HAS UNDEAD SCIENCE DONE

I propose this:
Assume that a skeleton is capable of performing several functions, not just dedicated logic gate. Through the power of assumption, we can cut down the number of skeletons from hundreds of millions to simply millions. This grants us a reasonably powerful computer, at least 200)AD tech, barring only the media transmission limitations.

Then, of course, this is all based upon the plans of a wizardly lich. Intelligence being the default assumption for necessity of this projects completion, a scholarly wizard lich is our best fit for the creator.

Adding in the flavor of "other worldly" madness and alienism, allows for the planar alteration that grants time dilation, further increasing the efficacy of our necro-computations.

In the end, a mad alienist wizard lich slew a race of sentient life to animate into skeleton computation components. He has motivation pre-set(MORE POWER = MORE DEAD PEOPLES) and he has his back-history written.

Good god, this game is writing itself.

Also, does anyone remember the turing chains from "The Diamond Age"? I keep imagining all this in the form of that book's suppositions.

>>12937754
"I am Lord Turing," says the bone golem.

It does write itself. Added a genocide would make the game interesting. The players might explore the plane the race subject to the genocide used to live on while looking for more information on the lich.

HOLY SHIT IS THIS WHAT RAJAAT WAS PLANNING ALL ALONG?

So why doesn't this lich, since he's obviously the Charles Babbage of D&D, just come up with a mechanical solution, since he already knows what he's aiming to do?

>>12937635
Yeah, but Exalted already has supercomputers in ice cubes. They don't need skeletons.

>>12937867
Then what would all these undead be doing; rotting in the ground? So wasteful.

>cliches recubto
Right you are, captcha.

>>12937867
Because skeletons are so much cooler.

What about zombies/ghouls and such fitted with shockwands to that when something occurs in a boolean statement it shocks their muscles (magically preserved) to make them raise their hands.

You would also need to geas them so evil clerics (nerull.exe) don't command them to mess up your calculations.

>>12937752

WE AM PLAY GODS

>>12937867
Skeletons can be maintained indefinitely without interference by using the Negative Energy Plane.

In my campaign a wizard spent a year casting magic mouth and permenancy for every single plausible event to take place in a cave. Or at least that's what would have happened if I had anyone to play with...

>>12937867
>>12937885
There is no reason to do this with TOIL and LABOR and MACHINING if we can do it with the wave of a hand and the utterance of a spell.

As a cost/benefiet it works well, and the comparison of machine wear and the ambient drain of magic potential being nonexistent. Hell, it just means the skeletons will last longer than a mechanical solution.

Also, wizards are dicks.

It makes thematic sense. It follows rule of cool and R.A.W. Hell, it even could be argued that its a morally optimistic viewpoint, employing the dead to work for the living(albeit through wholly necromantic and vile means).

>>12937877
That's true. Didn't think about that. Hmm... Say, why not twist the souls of those that have been harvest as well, so that they, as incorporeal beings, can carry long-distance messages? I mean, given the incredibly vast area that will be covered in skeletons, having a few that can cross distance without upsetting anything or bumping into anything could be very useful.

Techromancers!

The question is this could a wizard use this to increase his spells per day allotment?

Can someone please link this from the archive if it's been saved ? Want to bookmark it. or tell me how to find it.

I'm more a fan of mechanical than computer-business. For some reason I see a massive bipedal mechanical giant, powered and mostly controlled by zombies. You just need a person at the head surrounded by roughly 8 command zombies that can be combined to do things like run, duck jump, punch, etc. The appendages would be filled with daisy chains of zombies, along with a series of cranks pullies, or even more complicated mechanics.

The other aspect is an if/then security system. You could have dynamic trap reaction in a dungeon with skeletons that react by releasing deadly traps "see anyone/pull lever."

>This
>Entire
>Fucking
>Thread

/tg/...have I ever told you that I love you?

Have two liches each build their own undead supercomputer, but one uses zombies and the other uses skeletons. Cue "Which system is better?" nerd debate between the two.

>>12938087
Oh yeah, you know what kind of machines you can build just from shifting weights, using sand or water or metal balls? With skeletons, zombies and ghosts... Oh man. That's fucking INSANE. Uunless, say, a cleric climbs it and blasts off a few Turn Undead, leaving you with nothing to power the thing.

>>12938151

I'm a non comp-/sci/ major, so, guys...

What can the Lich that did this do with it? What use is an undead computer in a world with magic?

>>12938165
Skeleton is PC

Zombie is Mac

>>12938171
He can, like, build a system that can take care of itself and calculate shit while he's out doing other things. And not to mention that it's jsut the first stage. Clear the first hurdle and you can make more advanced stuff.

>>12938181
I'd say it's the other way around.
Skeleton is sleeker, but you can do more with the zombie.

>>12938171
A "millions of undead that can do about 8 things" computer could feasibly run something as complex as the computer you are on now.

Imagine having a single computer, like the one you have now, in a medieval setting with magic.

Wait, does this mean that if it's possible to create strong AI on modern computer, in theory, with enough body that can follow simple commands, you can create intelligence? IE. if there are enough ants in one place... "it" (the whole colony of ants) can become as smart, if not smarter than humans?

Hey guys... I just read the enttir thread and it's awesome and all, but...

There's a limit on the number of undead a necromancer can control. 4HD per caster level. Not enough to build a useful computer.

The only way to control millions of undead is to be undead yourself with some kind of unlimited create spawn ability, like a vampire, wight or shadow... but those spawn are sentient, though since they obey without fail that may not be a problem.

>>12938199

I use my computer for porn, 4chan, facebook, email, im and sometimes to do research work....

My computer is just a masturbatory machine

>>12938208
>Demi-lich
>creating a plane of existence for the purposes of the computer
>killing an entire race for components
Dude, we are not looking at things in the same way. Where you see THE RULES LIMIT THIS! we see THE RULES SERVE TO POINT OUT HOW POWERFUL THIS GUY IS! LOOK AT LL THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE NORM HE HAS!

>>12938208
It's a BBEG, I think we're all assuming he has some capacity to step outside the rules. Like people do whenever there is an undead army in any campaign, ever.

If not, then he would use the spawn things, yeah.

>>12938151
Zombies are prone to clog up the system with rotting flesh, and are restricted to one action per round.

>>12938238

Or you could use that spell from one of the arcana supplements that lets you turn an entire long dead city into undead.

>>12938245

bugger off, bonefag.

i find it funny that u want to use thousands of mindless ghouls for computing instead of just asking a couple of mathamaticians to work out the porblem.

>>12938292
thousands of mindless ghouls = thousands of standard actions

1 mathematician = 1 standard action

>>12938255
Creating undead is limited per casting of animate, create, etc, but you can just cast as much as you want. It's controlling them all at one given moment that's the problem.

>>12938238
Well, undead are naturally driven to attack everything that is powered by positive energy. That's how I figured undead army worked : you just direct their roaming with mechanical means towards a city or army and then let them loose.
But now that I think about it, if you don't want to be a wight or something, you could just enslave those like a regular necromancer, and command them to use their own create spawn ability to create your computer.

>>12938208
we're talking about liches, not necromancers. A lich with eternities at his disposal.

>>12938301
She still has to use animate dead to create and skelettons.
I don't think even an artifact could allow it to control millions of undead. Maybe an epic spell, but I'm not familiar with those.

>>12938292
There won't be any mathematicians after my plague gets them.

As for the skeletons. They can represent far more than two bits. They could represent 12. Each hand holds 5 bits, so there is 10, and each arm would count as 1 bit. Even more bits are available if one is willing to make use of positions of the head, or even the torso or legs (such as the head being forward is 'on', and the head being backwards is 'off'), although that might be for only the nerdiest of the liches. Skeletal overclocking, if you will.

>>12938292

industrialization, bro.

sure, you could give the mathematician a pencil and notepad and wait for him to work it out, or you could have a building full of peasants with abacuses each working on small sections of the equation. that is what computers were before the second world war, by the way. people who did math assembly line style.

making a computational engine out of undead in a pocket plane just makes things even more efficient.

>>12938326
>Each hand holds 5 bits

>program skeletons with Finger Binary
>one hand is 31 bits
>two hands are 1023 bits

>>12938326
The problem is, how complex can your instructions get before the skeletton can't use them.

So. How about an undead internet and undead 4chan on it?

>>12938344
Well played, good sir.

>>12936671
>>12936480
>>12937435

You could have much more than 2 bits per undead. Assuming humanoid, you would have every finger up or down, both arms up or down, head turned to the left or right and if you strap them to the walls you can have either leg up or down. That gives 13 bits per undead. Of course, this is assuming that they're intelligent enough to follow that many commands.

>>12938344
Add the combinations of holding the hands up or down too (right hand up+left hand down, left hand up+right hand down etc).

Wouldn't the computer get "evil" intentions from being powered by negative energy ?

>>12938354
Let me... rephrase that:
Multiple liches have skelecomputers and an undead internet and undead 4chan.

>>12938344
Nuhh uh. 32 combinatations doesn't mean 32 bits. It means 5 bits.

>>12938292
I find it funny that you can't spell problem and have no sense of rule of cool.

>>12938368

negative energy =/= evil energy.

>>12938374
>billions of undead skeletons working in tandem so liches can post lolcats on their command orbs.

>>12938382
I find it funny that you're a pedant and can't think of one of the MANY better explanations for this than "rule of cool".

Your mission heroes:
Slay... The Calculator!

>>12938359
Something as complex as 'guard duty' or 'fight' is a simple command.
>>12938384
That's actually canon as per default D&D.

>>12938380
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_binary

>>12938392
>better explanations for this
Elaborate, please.

>>12938384
Indeed. But negative energy does have a mind on its own, and concerns itself with cancelling/destroying positive energy (the opposite is true too).

Wouldn't you need some kind of system to connect and bridge them?

I mean, you do need more things than logic gates to build a computer, otherwise you might as well go, rock, no rock for your computer. (which would work if you could come up with something to work with the rocks)

>>12938374
I am both amused and terrified by this thought...

>>12938354
>>12938374
For aeons we have collected, assembled and animated skeletons, developed systems and programming languages, constructed dungeon infrastructure and debated protocols and finally our work is complete. We can post pictures of our feline familiars with funny text captions!

This was kind of ruined by pedantry and "for teh lulz". Still a good thread though.

>>12938401
Yes. But counting to 32 can be done using 5 bits. 31 bits gives you 2147483648 combinations.

>>12938419
>>12938389
Fuck. Beat me to it.

>>12938433
To elaborate, if you have n bits you have 2 to the power n combinations.

1bit=2 states
2bits=4 states
3bits=8 states
4bits=16 states
5bits=32 states

>>12938433
Yes, I see your point.

Of course, that makes this all the more powerful, especially if we use arms, legs, and heads to add even more combinations. Hell, we could even use toes (considering undead are most likely able to move each individual digit without any problems, as compared to humans).

>>12938433
>32
I mean 31. You get 32 states, but one of them is 0.

how would it be set up to play crysis?

>>12938467
Its usually said to be (2^n)-1, as you start from 0, so the highest is one less, but, of course, you still end up with 32 outcomes.

This picture is 29786 bytes, or 238288 bits. Assuming 15 bits per skeleton (head, fingers, legs, hand rotation) it wold take 15886 skeletons to store this picture. That's the population of the town. Totally worth it.

>>12938505
I mean this picture. Fricken captcha.

>>12938505
Just use a few wights, kobolds and complex signs like >>12938351.
Kobolds reproduce a lot and help building the structure efficiently, wights can create and control an unlimited number of sentient undead out of the old kobolds, which in turn can follow complex instructions without fail.

>>12938500
Babbage had eight kids. He used them as a byte.

>>12938505
If we count hand rotation, can't we count all the angles the hand can rotate through as unique positions? As well as the arms and neck, while we're at it. Maybe even the hips, and a leg if the other one is firmly nailed in place and braced properly.

This would get you a spectacularly large number of additional states. Being able to move one elbow through ten different positions alone is a fivefold increases.

But now the question is, how precisely can you command a skeleton to move? We can probably order it to open or close a single knuckle, but what about ordering it to raise its left arm thirty degrees.

It might be the case that the control system of a skeleton can only reliably move its elbow to three or four distinct positions without accumulating too much error.

Nobody is considering transmission!

Whatever series of states you agree on, how is the information transported? IC's use electricity to follow paths, meaning electrical positioning; Very precise and hard to fuck up.

Most likely, unless there is a mechanism observing the states, then we have to assume something is LOOKING with EYES at each skeleton, therefore limiting us based on that transmission of optical data.

So, what, varguilles flapping baout on their batwing heads, making an observation every state and making a punchcard?

TRANSMISSION PEOPLE! TRANSMISSION!

>>12938500

So, the master of this all....

Babbachius, Evolved Demilich, Epic Necromancer.

>>12938484
the skeletons would start crashing into one another.

>>12938565
That's why its best to rely on absolute positions (open or closed, up or down, left or right, etc) rather than angular positions which could accumulate errors from faulty control.

>>12938565
Are you trying to make the skeletons dance?
thriller.gif

>>12938400
Actually, mindless undead are evil, the energy is not. Clerics who use it are evil though, for some reason. Or neutral, but not good.

Negative Energy Plane and Positive Energy Plane = not so much. The non-undead natives made up entirely of negative energy are neutral elementals. Just like how the positive plane's elementals and natives are all coldly neutral(though the negative plane is full of evil undead, none of which originated there though).

>>12938484
You would need 1 billion undead, assuming undead can transmit information as fast as electricty. Which they can't.

>>12938670
Just cover the skeletons in electricity-conducting metal rods.

>>12938670
pocket dimension with a faster time flow was literally the second reply in the thread.
slow and size isn't a main concern any more.
physics is our bitch.

>>12938582
I think part of the problem here is we're not sure if we're using skeletons just for storage, or for actual computing.

So far we've been discussing how much data you can store on a skeleton, but that's not particularly helpful if you can't command a skeleton to recognize more than, say, two states (particularly, the presence or absence of something).

Of course if we're just building a skeleton Turing machine, that's fine, you don't need more than two states per skeleton. (the read/write head is tricky, but can probably be solved with one skeleton per machine state arranged around a scrying pool showing the tape position).

This would probably be easier with golems.

>>12938709
But you can't make golems out of villagers... No, wait...

>>12938718
QUIET YOU
WERE USING UNDEAD

>>12938709

undead are a renewable resource.

>>12938709
Costs, Sir. It's far easier to kill people and animate their bones.

>>12938709
And it would be easiest with dominated children, but where's the fun in doing everything the easy way?

Actually, wait, forcing a bunch of mind controlled kids to browse 4chan would be pretty awesome.

>>12938718
can you imagine the exp cost?

how much grinding the lich would have to do to keep up the golem army?

>>12938771
I thought that's what /v/ was

I knew there was a reason I waded through the shit every day, /tg/
This thread has restored my faith and love for you.

I am trying to think of a display.
Imagine each 'pixel' of a monitor represented by a skeleton with three colored disks of glass, and a torch.
They take a number in, and move the lenses to represent a color by moving the right amount of lens in front of the light.
Packed densely enough, they could be packed into a wall, with a sheet overtop made of silk or something.

Voila, 100 foot LCD screen

As per the size discussion versus using a custom plane.

Perhaps building it on Atropus would be the answer. Perhaps Skelenet IS Atropus.

>>12938691
You would still need to kill 1 billion people. That's more than the entire population of some settings.

>>12938835
The undead planet of undead?

So, like, Atropus got organized? Thats like....

Oh god, imagine if anthills got their shit together! and were healed by negative energy!

>>12938847
Thus, rule of cool.

Or assume better bitrates.

Or assume better transmission.

Or, I dunno READ THE THREAD.

>>12938533
See >>12938847.
Kobolds. Kobolds everywhere.

>>12938847
Okay, fine. It's not undead anymore. It's mechanical. And it's not a lich. It's just a guy. And miniaturisation of components is exploited so it's not huge, it's just the size of a big box.

Congratulations, you turned the evil undead mastermind and his genocidal Turing machine into an ordinary computer and an engineer. I can't wait to throw this bad boy at my PC's.

>>12938882
Genius!
Instead of skeletons, dominated dragonwrought or otherwise immortal Kobolds with Rings of Sustenance. They can only obey, won't die of old age or hunger, won't grind themselves to dust through the millions of years...

>>12938821

or, y'know. a crystal ball and some tricky divination magic.

fucking 3d holographic screen up in this bitch.

>>12938915
It's just not as cool. It seems even more exploitative of the rules and metagamey. And there's no link to the lich...

>>12938925
True, LOLmagic has to come in somewhere.

So I guess transmission can be handled through handwavium and a bit of use of message spells.
Thanks to magic, we can handwave away all the inconsistencies physics will give us! FUCK YOU transmission error!

>>12938882
I meant
>>12938847
See >>12938533>

>12938915
Dominated is not secure enough.

>>12938900

I'm sorry I pointed out that you wouldn't be able to use this necomputer to play video games. I forgot your entire campaign was based on the PCs beating a lich at Halo 3 multiplayer.

>>12938949
You get my point. Trying to rationalise it complete and pendantically working out exactly why it wouldn't work totally undermines the general concept - and without the general concept, you ain't got shit.

Necromputer is a decent term, though.

>>12938821
I am trying to think of some way to utilize thousands of undead painted beetles, but I'm not getting anything.

Keyboard could be like a normal one, except each key is set to activate a magic mouth that plays a specific sound, with a set of skeletons commanded to interpret those sounds.

>>12938949
No, you're just being all 'no fun allowed'.

Why does the Lich need to go kill people on his own? Why not hire those murder machines that are adventurers?

Doesn't even need to tell them to kill specific creatures or individuals, just give them a bounty for each nearly intact humanoid body they bring him. Given that he has, quite literally, all the time in the world, he can hire thousands of adventurers over centuries. It would be a form of agriculture, in a way. Like raising animals for slaughter. Yes the animals are going to die, but they don't all have to die at once, and some have to be left to breed. Given how quickly populations of monsters like goblins or kobolds rise, it's not like he's going to run out of potential sources of bodies.

>>12938966
Keyboard could be as simple as giving verbal commands to a few intelligent undead, like wights.
They then relay the commands to the computer using sign language, which you could do too but you're a busy lich.

>>12936455
That's a XOR. A clocked XOR. . .

>>12938847
could use skeletons of other types.

but here's the big question: Can't you only control so many hit dice of undead before they go crazy and attack everything in sight?

>>12938937
But there already isn't a transmission error if you use a simple enough method of computation. A universal Turing machine and Conway's Game of Life are both possible even with incredibly simple skeletons, and both are sufficient for any sort of computing you'd want to do.

>>12938971
If he does it interdimensionally through alternate material planes, he can harvest from millions of potential worlds, each with their own populations.

My god, imagine if DEATH in every world were simply one archlich being, harvesting bodies throughout the multiverse, powering his necroputer. You could put the lich in any campaign setting, based in the DnD worlds.

HOLY
SHIT

>>12938987
Someone already found a couple ways around that, the easiest being a simple handwave that "It's an ancient lich BBEG."
Read the thread.

>>12938847
no, you just need to find 1x10^9 dead people

>>12938847
If pocket dimensions and planar travel are an option then you have access to an entire multiverse of possibly infinite numbers of bodies which can be harvested over the massive "life" span of the lich building this affront to nature.

>>12938978
>>12938966

keyboard is a Hansen writing ball hooked up to the skull of an intelligent undead of some sort.

Skeletron! now with illithid-tech user input!

>>12938995

>>12939005
>>12938995

DID WE JUST PROVE THAT GODS ARE JUST USING US IN THEIR MACHINATIONS? LITERALLY?!

>>12938995

Holy. Shit.

Death is an unnatural thing. People used to just stop aging, live forever...

Then this ancient douche decides to create it, just so he can have labour for his all powerful machine...

>>12939005
Read the thread? We were working on a crossplanar war for undead from really early on.

>>12938966
>No, you're just being all 'no fun allowed'.

For saying it would be hard to use it to play crysis?

>>12938963
>the general concept

The concept of using undead as basic logic gates is fine, but if you're sticking to anything like conventional logic you would need insane numbers of undead to make a modern computer.

If you want to have a lich genocide multiple planes just to make a computer powerful enough to play HD video games then feel free. No-one's going to stop you.

>>12938821
Or some specially researched version of prestidigitation or some similar low level illusion spell that interpreted output and converted it into a viewable image.

Hell, the guy could have lots of specifically researched spells that utilized and worked with his massive boneputer.

>>12939002
Read the thread. Depending on how many bits of information each skeleton can process simultaneously, we're talking about hundreds of millions of skeletons, max. And that assumes that the necromputer has processing power equal to a good computer by today's standards.

Friend Unded Computer, Troubblezapper reporting for duty!

>Capcha: Rocisto leanige,
wut?

>>12939000
this is a huge thread you realize. I was here since pretty early on, but have been skimming through a lot of it.

Personally, I'd have the lich create some kind of magic item that acts as a sort of "pacificm wave" that keeps undead controlled as but they cannot take new actions

>>12939055
>>12939036
Adding bits per skeleton reduces the overall number by exponents, not multiples. Is anyone comprehending that?

>>12938987
I would assume you raise some intelligent undead with the ability to raise or control others.

>>12939063
Oh, I am.
Assuming head up/down, jaw open-shut, wrist, elbow, and shoulder bent/unbent, knee/ankle/hip bent/unbent, and each finger, that's 2^24 per skeleton.

Toes takes it to 10^34, but seem unreliable.

>>12939083
FUCK TOES

>>12939055
>>12939063
The crysis prediction was based on 15 bits per skelleton. That's using every finger, hands facing forwards or backwards, head left or right and legs up or down. If they have something like eyes you can add two more bits each. You might be able to use knees to add another 2, for a total of 19.

You would only need 800 million undead.

>>12939101
Thats what, ten dimensions worth over some millenia?

>>12939083
Taking your highest estimate and adding eyes would give 36 bits each. Crysis would take just over 400 million undead.

>>12939083
Hell, why humans?

Why not the endoskeletons of some sort of mammalian centipede with 32 pairs of legs?

Imagine a race of these bred by an ancient lich, simply that he might harvest their bodies...

Someone had to make this pun.

The microdebate over undead vs. golem computer gives me an interesting idea. The founder of the dungeon computer was originally an artificer. He rose to epic levels, trying to create a dungeon full of small constructs that could compute complex equations. Near the end of his natural life, he went a little mad and decided that his work was too important to be interrupted by such a trivial thing as death. So he created a phlactery, and continued on with his golem-computer. After a while, the negative energy fueling his unlife gave him an idea. What if he were to use skeletons instead of constructs? 1,000 years later, we have Skelenet. A small "core" of the computer still has the original golem computer parts. Every once and a while, a Marut comes to claim the lich's unlife, but is easily repelled by the former artificer's extensive anti-construct infusions.

you now realize that only the most autistic of players would even care to know every nuance about how the Skeletron works, and that most would just take one look at it and go "AWESOME!"

>>12937435
>Logic gates use 2 transistors each with NOR using only one.
In CMOS logic, an inverter is 2 transistors and a 2-input NAND or NOR gate is 4. Since there are no Pskeletons degrading 0s and Nskeletons degrading 1s, you can get away with fewer skeletons than transistors.

>>12938696
>I think part of the problem here is we're not sure if we're using skeletons just for storage, or for actual computing.
Why not both? "Whenever that skeleton puts his hand up, put your hand up if that other skeleton has his hand up and put your hand down if that other skeleton has his hand down" - a 1-skeleton (16 transistor) flip-flop done.

TEN THOUSAND CORPSES DOING THE HOKEY-POKEY IN MY BASEMENT

Anyway, I love this idea. Transmission of data would probably be done by incorporeal undead of some sort.

>>12939111

shit nigga we got 6 billion folks on this rock alone. and that's just humans.

imagine worlds with multiple races, some of which have much higher reproduction rates than us

>>12939128
Or just pure point to point telepathy, mind reading or something. Hell, millions of castings of permanent message maybe.

Dear /tg/, I had a thought.

Imagine a vast dungeon comprised of 5'x5' rooms with doors at the cardinal directions. Doors are initially set open or closed.

Skeletons are then given instructions like "Close the door behind you everytime you enter a room" "Only go through open doors" "If a W door is closed, open it"

You push the skeletons in through an "input" and see what the output data is. Doors are logic gates. Now you have skeleton amplifiers, rectifiers, flip-flops, etc.

You could make these into quantum gates by painting doors and having them recognize only one colour, or making it a cube with doors in the floor and use subjective gravity.

What do you think?
And captcha has named the device a
>functional pilode

>>12939116
Not sure how many eyes skeletons have.

They can shrug, though, which is another two bits from the shoulders.

2^36!

Shit the thread is autosaging! Save a copy before it fall s off /tg/!

Hell, petition the mod for a sticky!

>>12939139
Wow.So far everyone has been thinking of undead as logic gates, but they can act as electricity.

That could give you insanely complicated processes. Stuff like: "If an undead enters through the left door with his left arm raised and jaw open raise you right index finger, left thumb and leave through the right door."

>>12939178
It's archived. We'll have a redux eventually.

>>12939154
Some art shows them with glowing eye sockets.

>>12939178
Isn't this archived on sup/tg/?

>>12939196

new thread

I still say bonepedes works best.

"If either of the two skeletons you can see has two legs on one segment raised, raise the leg on the vertebra to the same side as that skeleton."

Should be simple enough.

So, really now, if skeletons can be the computing mechanism as well as the transmission medium, what can't we do?

This drastically reduces the numbers needed for the undead population, but DOES imply we will need some sort of superstructure to do the computation in. Encryption from the user to data in bits can be done with a mechanical device(I love the skull keyboard in >>12939011) and we can have a floating image interpreting the bit output using magical illusions.

What is left to design? Obviously this Lich is a megalomaniac, and has slaughtered the living throughout the material planes.

His primary enemy is the Maruts, looking to end his life(damn inevitables). Theres a strong reasoning to make him an artificer lich as well(bridging the magic-mechanical gap) also, that would allow us to use more than JUST undead.

I am using this concept for a BBEG in my next fantasy game, and I dont even play D&D!

>wake up from nap
>see this thread
>witness what my own contribution did to the thread's direction
>feel awesome inside
So. Fucking. Proud.
Pic related.

>>12938582
Kind of part of what I meant to say with >>12938407

So we now have some kind of giant multi-dimensional temple conposed of millions of rooms with hundreds of millions of doors, full of undead running around while flailing their limbs?

Best place to play hide and seek ever.

>>12939437

Did this thread just get stickied?

We're now working on microgrig crawling-claws!

hail to the mod that pinned this
also hail the OP that thought this up, you're awesome

It's stickied? but we made so much more progress in the new thread!

This is an awesome idea, but why on earth was this stickied?

I was vote 17 for archiving, shit is so cash

>>12940078
Because it is worth stickying.

Someone temporarily change our name to /uc/-undead computers.

Awesome.

I have to admit that I like the idea of using whole skeletons better than hands only. It just seems a lot cooler to have a million skeletons spread out over a huge complex, as opposed to a field of tiny hands.

I think we should migrate back to this thread, since it is stickied.

So a plane with that has a permanent timestop effect applied to all that are inside it. Inside the plane, time would seem to move normally, but outside it would give whatever is using the Necromputer instant processing power, faster even than electricity could hope to be.

This would of course speed up the rate of decay relative to the observer, but negative energy or (if Deep Rot has achieved casting levels or through use of epic magic) a mass Gentle reposing cast on all the undead solves that problem neatly.

>>12939437

So um... if we can build an undead computer...

Could we make an undead internet?

Wouldn't it be possible to get an endless amount of energy this way? Divert some twenty thousand skeletons to mre manual labour to heat up water, and build a dynamo to generate electricity. Or just... hang on, uh, now I'm entering other territory. Portals to the planes of water and fire, infinite heated water. Steampunk magic!

>>12940150
Nigga, this ain't Steampunk.

This is Magitech.

>>12940150
There are lots of ways to produce infinite energy in fantasy.

So yeah the whole Animanus processors are just, a big improvement in power from the old Deadframes of old, but some people still need the old one's massive processing power, like necromantic schools.

>>12940149
I dunno.

Maybe. My god.

What would a Lich internet be like?

You bastards had better call the Lich programmer Babbage.

>>12940170
what would lich 4chan be like?

Mac vs PC vs Skeleton army

>>12940170
Lolcats and porn mostly. Same as any internet. We already covered that.

In before entire campaign within the universe being simulated by the undead computer.

The Lichtrix

>>12940150
I'll continue... This way you could build a network of millions of skeletons that can send commands to a machine that's driven by electricity that's generated through heating water from the plane of water using a portal from the plane of fire... And build this underground, and the Lich can build a tower, or fortress, or even a city on top of this, that's highly advanced... good lord almighty...

>>12940175
well every lich has all the time in the world...
so probably something like summer on /b/ but worse

>>12940175
As stated before, it's just an imageboard where they put pictures of their undead cats with silly captions.

>>12936531
No, Make the lich a big fan of Numerology. Mathemagic!

>>12940184
>>12940184 Fucking LOL!
>>12940184

>>12940174
Well Babbage was an old lich who first thight of the idea of an Analytic Engine powered by the dead, however it was Unstable Ulrich whoc actually made the first necputer.

>>12940170

"DEAR BLOG INVOLVING TUMBLE CHECKS BECAUSE THE ACTUAL NAME SEEMS TO BE BANNED FOR NO APPARENT REASON. TONIGHT SOME ADVENTURERS BROKE INTO MY CRYPT AND TRIED TO BREAK MY PHYLACTERY. JOKES ON THEM LOL, IT'S ON ANOTHER PLANE XD PICS AFTER THE JUMP"

BEHOLD MORTAL. THE CORPSES OF A THOUSAND WORLDS WORKING IN UNISON. BILLIONS OF MINDLESS DEAD WORKING TOGETHER TO PERFORM SIMPLE CALCULATIONS.

Erm. Couldn't you do all of this using small mechanical pieces?

THAT'S BORING

>>12940170
Welcome to Deadchan.

>>12940170
Considering liches, there'd probably be some very long term epic trolling going on constantly.

>NO PORN IN QUEST-REPORTING METATHREADS sticky gone
>undead computer thread stickied

>>12940170
Worse then the DE of the 40k universe for porn.
Wiki of all of the information in the multiverse.
Undeadtrolls.
4chan would remain the same however. Gotta have a universal constant somewhere. Heck make it break the 4th wall even with it linking to this thread.

All in all, the Necroputer is just amazing /tg/ and I love you.

>>12940193
I can haz cause srs wnds?

>>12940174

Babbage didn't program shit. Ada Lovelace is the name you're looking for.

I think we're getting away from things here. Having a skeleton who holds up fingers is only data storage and language, not computation. Computation involves input and output. Differential.

The whole fingers, shoulders, etc. thing is more like a language, but a logic circuit. You need the logic for the language to work, and that hasn't been done. The guy who suggested the rooms and doors has it right; then you can run a language through it.

Also, isn't it a problem giving a "mindless" creature so many instructions?

Lich Microsoft VS Lich Mac

What are the differences?

>>12940208
MFW adventurer found out he was the Phylactery, and I was his father.

>laughingskeletonmanva.lith

>>12940210
Damn it, it's back now and it's still ugly.

>>12940228
Have people not taken the time to read the thread?
Mac uses Skeletons and PC uses Zombies.

>>12940223
it's if/then instructions, not asking them to interpret Poe

>>12940223

they already know how to fight. fighting is exponentially more complex than "if X hold your fingers out so"

>>12940228
I'm a Mac and I'm a PC?

>>12940203
Given the option between spelling BOOBIES on a simple mechanical calculator, or a calculator made from an army of the dead.

I think we all know what we would rather do.

So how does a monitor work in an undead computer? Same as a normal one?

>>12940213
>Heck make it break the 4th wall even with it linking to this thread.

Or maybe some of the liches get bored and decide to tell people on Live4chan about their necromputers. Maybe they put it forward as a hypothetical situation.

>>12940228 Lich microsoft works

>>12940238
then what uses the whole minicrawlinghands thing?

>>12940223
Each skeleton observes other skeletons and acts based on their actions. Hence different logic gates. As for the instructions part, that's not very well defined in the crunch.

>>12940250

3d holograms via crystal ball and divination magics.

Jesus christ, what is going on.

Awesome quest thread is nothing out of the ordinary, but why this? This is rather odd.

I demand an explanation of some sort.

>>12940242
True. Fighting involves abstract "thought" and reactions, since you have to adapt to the different battles at hand. This requires no thought at all, and could work based solely on reflexes. The skeletons/hands/whatevers could reasonably be doing even more complex logical formuli than what we are giving them even.

>>12940251
My God.

So what's the current estimation of the size something like this would be?

Because what'd an Undead laptop be like? Uses raised mice? Not an actual laptop, obviously. Probably something ship sized, when you want to bring your computer with you when you're invading a continent.

>>12940213
>Breaking the fourth wall
Maybe.
Just maybe.
This thread was actually posted by a lich in another dimension. Infact, any one of us could be a lich.
It could be you.
It could be me.
IT COULD EVEN BE

We believe we have a war on our hands.

It would be like that dwarfputer,but vulnerable to turn undead.

Oh, goddess, using holy magic in a necromatic computer would be worse than a magnet into the one your using. Atleast modern computers have ROM.

>>12940275
As has been said, shrinking spells will keep sizes manageable.

I had a similar thought to this when thinking about Cocytus, the ninth circle of hell in Dante's Inferno.

This circle of hell is reserved for traitors, who are buried up to their necks in ice.

Given an eternity of imprisonment with millions of other people, all only able to talk and think and little else, what could you achieve?

A kind of verbal semaphore system, messages passed from one person to the next seems possible.
A computer, too, would be possible. But people have a high frequency of errors when passing on information. The whole system is the biggest game of chinese whispers ever.

>>12940280
Nah shiptops are immune to it, somehow.

>>12940280

it's been discussed already.

adventurers bumbling around the computer would essentially be viruses.

>>12940256
that's linux.
It easily gets real messy, but if it runs smoothly, by the gods it runs smoothly.

>>12940286
Keep in mind this cercle is for traitors. Every one of them would quite happily screw up the system if they think they could gain something from it.

In b4 Moderators call in moot, they get us all executed and raise our corpses to make the first necropolis servers.

I just know it, Moot will kill us all just for the sake of cheap bandwith!

>>12940286
The thing about using mindless undead though, is they blindly follow orders exactly. 0% margin of error in their actions, especially if their actions are relatively simple.

Of course, once the undead AI of Deep Rot forms, it would allow for mistakes that could lead to bugs and glitches in the computer. However the individual undead would still follow their specific orders perfectly, the orders themselves would have to be what was flawed.

>>12940310

Moot is already making a killing selling personal information of all our traps to trap-sexslave-trainers.

Or so the legend goes.

Alright.
So Liches have computers.

What type of video games do they make?

>>12940238
>zombies

But that's just stupid. It would be really slow and prone to errors.

Actually, good choice.

>>12940318
Left 4 Dead

>>12940318
No idea. Someone higher up worked out that it would take about a billion zombies to run crysis though.

TEACH SKELETONS SEMAPHORE

lichcomputertech.jpeg

SEND LOLCATS OF MY FAMILIAR TO OTHER LICHES

>>12940280
Crawling claws are immune to turn undead, which is only one of the several thousand reasons they're perfect for the necromputer.

>>12940318
surprisingly, mostly bejeweled. Liches are notorious casualfags.

I think the Lich in question here would obviously have to be a Demilich, at least. Perhaps one of those astraliches (I think that was the name) that has transcended form and exists as a purely magical spirit, with its soul gems.

>>12940280
The chew cards.
>>12936902
Planks for long-term storage and recovery data.
>>12936876
No matter how hard the corpseputer is hit, only a tiny amount of data is actually lost. Or even none, if the computation logic allows the states to be reconstructed backwards and the global state restored from one intact sample. In that case, the only thing that was lost is time.

>>12940320

At least, if you put decent effort into making a zombie as you could replace parts and zombies can take fuckloads of more beating and you can add fuckloads of stuff to your zombies, bloated, strapped with explosives, extra squishy or anything you'd think of.

Skeletons? Well, I am afaird that Macs always have been little..

Bare bones.

>>12940318

Dorf Fort, obviously.

and they use Dorf Fort to construct dorf-putational engines.

the dorfputational engines are used to play Minecraft.

Minecraft is used to build a computer as per >>12937698

HOW FAR DOES THE RABBIT HOLE GO?

>>12940337
However we do know his name was Unstable Ulrich

Never change,/tg/,never change

>>12940339
...time which is essentially meaningless, if this comptuer exists in a sort of "timestopped" dimension or plane. It could have thousands of years of damage to recover, but to the outside observer all that is happening is a split second of slow down.

>>12940353
so how do you defrag?

>>12940328

TEACH SKELETONS SEMAPHORE

lichcomputertech.jpeg

PLAY DUNGEON HACK

>>12940364
defraggin assumes you have misplaced bits

>>12940364

Automated constant maintenance, polish and wax, duh.

We wouldn't need defreaggin'.

>>12940303
but since everyone around you is a traitor and they know you to be one, would they not want to betray their own punishment by telling the truth?

thus every other pice of information would alternate between lies and truth.

Ahhh YEA, what has undead science done?

Gave us a sticky, thats what.

>>12940371
well lets assume that aside from the Manus types, I can assume that sometimes an evil cleric virus will come in and move bits around, how do you fix that?

>>12940387
Periodic waves of negative energy will keep all non-undead out of the vital parts of the computer.

Toasting in epic bread; this needs to be permanently archived.

I <3 u so much, /tg/; OP is a genius.

>stickying a thread that's supposed to autosage

NECROMANCY THREAD NECROMANCY

So what's better:
A bunch of normal skleteons or one huge skeleton with tons of arms?

>>12940387

That would be rather impossible see, as the computer would require massive amounts of negative energy pumped into the pocket realm as such, it would be impossible for the cleric to pass through and of course SYSOP Lich would gladly swap a word or two with this would be "Leet turner"

>>12940387
Send in an intelligent undead of your own to handle the fixing process. Even though it might take the undead minion thousands of years to fix, they would have all the time in the world. Or do it yourself, you would be a (demi)Lich afterall.

Or if the computer has become "intelligent" it could fix itself. Also, as said before, the crawling claws are immune to turning, so an undead cleric wouldn't be as much of an issue as a simple fireball spell.

>>12940411

Why even regular skeletons? Just graft the bones in most practical manner, hell levitating limbs would do fine.

Archiving and stuff, plus getting into places where normal skeleton couldn't.

I would imagine that in the next few months, the meme of 'skeleton computer' will come into play in dozens of games.
It will become a phenomenal event. The meme will spread.
Skeleton computer will become a published module, and credit will be given to 4chan in the foreword.

In ten years, I would imagine it would work it's way into the videogame industry somehow. Much like boatmurdered.

Would the lich be able to use reanimated insects as components? The reanimated corpse's capacity to take command isn't affected by what it was before reanimation right?

>>12940428
I am not familiar with boatmurdered

where is it from and what videogames is it in?

>>12940346
All the way down. It's turtles all the way down.

Hmm... with a giant undead supercomputer, wouldn't liches be able to submit their magical research for peer review and 'publishing' on the Necronet?

>>12940365
>>12940328

lichcomputertech.jpeg

Take the largest city in your campaign world.
Place a cabal of necromancers and liches in charge of it.
Instead of traditional burial, citizens surrender their corpses to the ruling cabal upon death.
Ruling cabal serves as system administrators for enormous "dungeon" computer underneath city.
Let city stand for ten thousand years.
Utopia?

>>12940428
Hell it might become as legendary as Tomb of Horrors, or that other one, with the huge ammount of levels and rooms and such.

hey

>>12940428

wait, how has Boatmurdered been used in videogames?

>>12940437
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Boatmurdered/
have fun, it's a riveting tale

>>12940364
see >>12936872

I only use the remains of mammals because I am not a poor faggot and the parts are easily interchangeable, which makes maintainance and upgrading a lot easier.

>>12940433

I doubt, no-one likes having bugs on their system namely brain-eating worms other pests in case.

THERE IS A BUG IN THE CODE?
FLOOD THE CHAMBERS WITH DDT