On the WOTC site they put up weird monster combinations that are possible with the rules.
One of them was like a half-blue white dragon.

>>12928664
I've always wondered this myself. Why would an evil dragon ruin the power inherent in dragons by breeding with hum,anoids when another dragon, even of a different color, would be far more suitable?

The result will look like the offspring of a dragon of one of the [input] options, but may function like the other [input], or the same.

That's right. A white dragon that breathes fire. Adventurers, are you feeling lucky?

>>12928677
Because they like half dragon honor guards, at least according to my last experience with a green. That or they just like whoring around.

>>12928677
Dragons, especially those of different colors, are much less tractable. Plus it doesn't take much work to stick your dick in an inferior being.

>>12928686
FUCK YEAH DRACOLICHES

But aside from that, we should have dragons breeding with dragons to provide Half-White Dragon Red Dragons.

>>12928701
Red and green?

CANDY-CORN DRAGON!

Are half-white, half-black dragons okay?

Dragon is the race of the mother, with some traits of the father.
See: Pokemon.

>>12928715

No.

>Eloaders who

>>12928701
WotC has had a Half-White-Half-Red dragon in one of their supplements. Or maybe it was a Dungeon Magazine Article...

In any case, it was a powerful dragon in Hell who breathed a sort of "So cold it's hot" sort of fire.

>>12928732

>a dragon who breaths IcyHot

AMAZING

>>12928732
Freezer burn.

>>12928747
:iceburn:

>>12928724
So.....Black Dragon father + Green Dragon mother =

Green Dragon with some Black Dragon traits? I think it would have the spell like abilities of the Black Dragon, but would replace the Green Dragon's spell like abilities or would it get both? does it get a stronger breath weapon?

Also, in a case where the dragons do not have the same breath weapon, does it get the full breath of the father and not the mother, or the full breath of the mother and a weaker breath of the father?

>>12928746>>12928732
>MFW


Anyway, what would the alignment be? I figure it would be that of whatever parent raised them.

Oh, and question? Do female dragons whore themselves around as frequently as male ones? Because I have a much harder time imagining it.

>>12928753
It would get a mix and match of spell-likes. It would also get the stronger breath weapon though description wise it would have traits of the other breath weapon as well.
See: the earlier mention of the icyhot dragon breath.

>>12928753
Just give it the half black dragon template.

>>12928753
One or the other, along with resistances, was my understanding. IE, if a red and blue were to shack up (pepsi dragon!), the egg would be (red or blue), and the dragon would look like a (red or blue), but it would only have the breath weapons and fire resistances of either (red or blue).


Meaning that if the parents had a spat in the lair, they might accidentally off their offspring. (Lightning- fire resistance, no lightning resistance,- dead eggs)

>>12928758
If it's the Forgotten Realms... dragons whore themselves out like you wouldn't believe.

>>12928781
One of the things that makes the mix dragons such a pain in the ass to fight is that they have immunities of BOTH parents. The Christmas (Red/white) Dragon earlier mentioned was pretty much listed as a TPK waiting to happen if you employed his spells correctly.

Stats

Level: Dragon 40
Hit Points: 1032
Armour Class: 70
Abilities: Str 49, Dex 10, Con 41, Int 40, Wis 41, Cha 40
CR: 36
Alignment: True Neutral
Special Abilities: Natural spell casting, natural immunities

Description

These magnificent magical creatures are fun, festive, and prone to unexpected mood swings. They keep a very neat lair with tasteful, yet bold use of space and color. These whimsical beasts are thoughtful and perceptive about noticing your new haircut or if you have purchased a new pair of adventure boots even when you are not so thoughtful. They can be counted on to get excited about going shopping and gossiping about that 'awful' new guy one of your friends seems interested in. They enjoy long walks on the beach, weepy films about relationships and eating ice cream directly from the bucket when depressed. You will only be attacked by one if you directly provoke it, or if you have no good answer to the question "Does this make me look fat?" -- which is the same thing.

So what if you had two mixed dragons, say the redwhite, and it mates with another mix, like a blackblue dragon? And what if you went on like that for a while until you had an entire race of tiamats?

>>12928760
So....Black/Green gets a mix of it's parents spell like abilities, and its acid breath attack is.....both a line and a cone? Or maybe it's a cone with the length of a line....

Heheheheh.....this should make a good boss monster someday.

The best logic I ever heard for a Mongrel Dragon was that there was a group of dragon cultists who believed that they could breed the perfect dragon. Predictably, things wen horribly wrong and so now there are about six or seven ultra-powerful dragons wandering around fucking shit up.

Also they killed Bahamut. Centuries of selective breeding removed whatever influence bahamut had over them. The one we fought had the opportunity to become a god in his place, and he gave a modification of the lex luthor line of "Do you have any idea how much power i'd have to give up to become a god?"

Best. Campaign. Ever.

>>12928830
>cultists
>able to force dragons to reproduce
REALLY?

>>12928830

Chocobo farms...

>>12928856
Sure. Catch them while their young, yet sexually mature, and feed them aphrodisiacs.

It'd take centuries, due to the wait between generations, but you could do it.

Why are there 'Chromatic dragon, but it's GOOD', and no evil metallics? I would really think any such street that allowed for the former would allow for the second. But the only evil metallics I've heard of were demon/devil possessed.

>>12928830
>force dragons to reproduce
>FORCE dragons to reproduce
>implying dragons would need any forcing at all

Here's a thought: for creating one, just randomize via percentage dice what traits it has. IE 60% red 40% blue, lean the stats+abilities this way.

Alternatively, make hybrids have a 50/50 chance to either suck (weaker than either parent) or to be "greater than the sum of their parts."

Blue-white and green-black are the combos that most intrigue me. Blue-Red could be fun too.

Or a Elder Red Wyrm rapes a captize Young Adult Gold. Ultimate fire-based dragon w/ parent issues, anyone?

>>12928893

>>12928893
50% chance to be a non-extraordinary mix, 25% to be weaker, 25% to be stronger.

>vances whousts

There are rules for this. Basically it is a mix of both types.

>>12928677
Divorcing colour from alignment as a rule, and keeping it as an option, is one of the reasons I love Eberron.

>>12928915
that is a better idea, I amend my proposition

You could also say that dragons w/ conflicting elements (ie fire + cold) can't breed, or something wierd happens (ie frostfire awesomesauce), or are just fucked up by the chaotic conflicting powers in them, and the magic in them is at war with itself, could do a lot with that

>unfilaug love.
oh captcha....

>>12928886
I really nailed my players on their metagaming by including an evil Silver dragon one. And then nailed them even more when it was actually a Mercury dragon, so the fact they hadn't taken any knowledge checks and just assumed it was silver meant their immunities were useless.

>>12928940
Just halve the breath weapon into each type, or roll for which type it is (for trolling your players, make it so its always the reverse of what it would appear to be).

I don't really buy all that loldrama crap. If good and evil and neutral humans will fuck each other and have relationships, good and evil and neutral dragons will do the same. Like, you aren't going to see many Silver/Red pairings but as long as there isn't that level of rivalry it might well be possible. Hell, you could have a Red Dragon that prefers Bahamut's lawful vibe to Tiamat, even if he doesn't dig the good deeds stuff. Another religious dragon, a metallic following Bahamut comes along and even though they should dislike each other they enjoy speaking with a fellow centuries-old academic of Bahamutian scripture. Cue dickings.

>>12928949
Oh you...

>>12928940
Also, maybe hybrids have a chance to be mentally unstable or handicapped.

Drow BBEG has some black+shadow hybrids that are mentally at the level of hounds, and uses them as guard dogs. No spell abilities, only physical + breath with limited tactics.

>>12928893
I like this...let's say, for example, that a CE Red has his way with a LG Gold.

The resulting dragon is gold, like the mother, but displays traits of red dragons, be it an inherent greed, or generally chaotic tendencies.

So, you'd take the species and the good vs. evil axis of the mother, and some traits and the law vs. chaos axis of the father.

LG Gold Dragon Female + CE Red Dragon Male = CG Gold Dragon.

>>12928982
Fang Dragons, right? They're pretty fun.

Plot of my current game has mongrels in it.
One of the bosses of this alliance of evil is a Half Fiend Elder Wyrm White.

He's got a female Young Adult Gold magically chained up in his lair, and he's trying to breed an heir. He's hoping for a male Half Gold White with the Fiendish template, but due to a couple arbitrary rules of dragon genetics I made up, he's getting female Half Gold Whites, and male Half White Golds. Of which less then half have any Fiendish traits. He's killing the males, and releasing the female to fend for themselves.


Reason he's part of the alliance to get this Lich Fleshwarper to help him get his heir with some form a ritual.

My players don't know any of this, just that their are strangely fire proof White Dragon hatchlings tearing up the countryside.

>>12928972
Yes! There's nothing wrong with breaking away from stereotypes - just cause it's red doesn't mean it's evil. Also, just because it's evil it isn't always a foe. Maybe it's just a cranky old blue that just likes lying around on the hoard he built centuries ago and watching the desert. Gets lonely, wanders around looking for someone interesting, bumps into a bronze.

>>12928998
Agreed :)

Now breed Fangs with Blues or Reds, and you have some FUN guard animals.
"The (BBEG) whistles, and four dragons fly in from the nearby hills." "FOUR?!?"

>>12929010
Sand Dragons (Brown, I think, is the colour?) are good for the evil-but-not-antagonistic vibe. They have like a collector mania throughout their whole race. It might eat sentients for food but the reason it contacted the party is because it really wants that antique teapot the Duke just bought.

Also a kind of pharaoh vibe, which is occasionally good for a Vetinari-style, "I'm evil but I'm the best ruler this city could possibly have."

>>12928998
>>12929021
Explanation for us laymen?

>>12928933
Please do elaborate.

>>12929021
I can't remember if it's Fang Dragons or not. It could be Deep Dragons? D&D has so many fucking dragon types.

But yeah, it's neat.

How about Beast Dragons? I dimly remember them from a dragon mag at some point, mostly that they have lots of spikes and they have a cold/lightning combo breath. What was their deal?

Oh, mind if I start dumping my dragon pictures? (SFW, of course.)

>>12929038
Deep Dragons, And in the lowerdark there are also Shadow Dragons that the Drow are known to occasionally ally with.

But typically when dealing with them you have the small shadow dragons who have breath weapons of energy drain.

>>12929068
Shadow Dragons are superintelligent even for Dragons though, IIRC.

Aha! Found it. Dungeon Magazine 174.

Not sure if it was strictly fluffed to be half white half red, but that's what I interpreted it as.

>>12929068
>breath weapons of energy drain
As in, bestows negative levels? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>12929037
Fang Dragons are found in the Monsters of Faerun 3e book (/rs/ has it) They're chaotic neutral, have powerful physical attributes, a Con drain bite instead of breath, lower-than-average-dragon int/wis - sorta the barbarian among dragons.

>>12929081
Where do all these dragons COME from? Here I was thinking that the MM or Draconomicon had them all...

>>12929093
Also in there are Deep, Shadow, Brown, and Song.

>>12929085
My mistake, Deep Dragons had Acid Breath.
Shadow Dragons are the energy drain (negative levels) breath weapons.
Speaking of which, nothing is more fun than having a shadow dragon as your dragon encounter.
"You're in the area of its breath weapon! 8 Negative levels FORTITUDE save DC 39 for half!"

>>12928830
>breed the perfect dragon
>kill Bahamut

But Io's plan to make the perfect dragon needs Bahamut and Tiamat to fuck.

Man, where's the love for purple dragons? Fucking LSD breath. Breed that thing with a black dragon. Acid breath. Bam, double entendre.

>>12929112>>12928892

Thus we run into some incongruity.

>>12929109
Song dragons being the ones who are mostly female and regularly whore themselves out to humanoids.

>>12929112
Or it requires popping open the ELH and pulling out a Prismatic Dragon and a Force Dragon.
Alternatively, Dragon Magazine #359 and look at the ABSURDLY unbalanced Time Dragon.
No really, the Time Dragon seems like it was made to be a weaker encounter in the Immortal's Handbook.

>>12929103
>Dungeons & Dragons
>& Dragons
Your answer, it is here. Dragons are so iconic that new species of them are never really frowned upon, so they get introduced all the fricking time. Which is actually okay, because they are traditionally under CR'd by a good 2 or 3 points dragons can almost always be constructed to be uniquely interesting in some respect.

Like, the black dragon. I mean, I guess this isn't common enough to be like a shared DM experience but you know, you're just kind of rocking your first or second 3.5e campaign. You're not totally savvy with every splatbook yet or whatever. And the first time you throw a black dragon at your players, particularly at low level? They will HATE you. It's invigorating.

The one dragon encounter that really, really frustrated my players was when they organised a militia fleet to take down some Drow pirates. The Drow had dragons, they knew that. But you pair two fully aquatic acid-breathing dragons with the fact the players' are all on board a ship... oh man they will never forgive you for hitting them with what is effectively a draconic submarine.

>>12929128
I know it's Dungeons AND Dragons but we really don't need fucking TIME dragons running around. I prefer to stick to the 5 Chromatics and 5 Metallics.

Alright, kids, let's count them out.

BronzeGoldCopperBrassSilverRedBlueWhiteBlackGreen.

Ahem, that's ten.

Fang, Brown, Shadow, Song, that's 14.

Faerie, Pseudo, that's 16.

Anymore?

do Immortals Handbook Dragons count?

>>12929146
All the Ferrous Dragons. All the Gem Dragons. The Celestial Dragons. The Lung Dragons. Dream Dragons. That's not even half you have there.

>>12929146
Turtle, Dragonne and Wyvern.
>trollface.jpeg
Their type is Dragon, so they *do* count.

There's also purple and orange dragons.

No. Seriously.

>>12929194
Orange dragons breath lava. No I don't even know how that works.

>>12929176
OH GOD, there are full new sets? I am not prepared.


Seriously, what sourcebooks to the keep publishing these in?

>>12929146
>>12929176
Prismatic, Force, The Dragons that are composed of rock and magma and are constantly doing like 10d6 fire damage to everything they come near...

Purple, Yellow and Orange dragons also exist. They're from the various Dragon Magazine supplements over the years. From Dragon Magazine we also get the Ferrous Dragons.

The purple, yellow and orange dragons can easily be found in the Dragon Compendium and the Ferrous Dragons are in issue 356.

The Orange, Yellow and Purple dragons are interesting because they could be mixed if you like. The explanation in the magazine is that they're three of the dragons created from Tiamat's CE analog sister who she killed in the clutch along with her NE brother Voral.

>>12929192
>>12929176
>>12929146
Brown/sand dragons.

Count 'em:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)

>>12929221
And you thought elf sub-races were bad.

I always figured it would just be half the parents and they would get a new breath weapon thats just sort of a mix of both.

Red and White dragons are not immune to fire or cold but have a strong resistance to both. The breath weapon would be steam, capable of breathing a cone of very hot burning steam or simply releasing a cloud of harmless steam to give it an edge.

Its coloring is mostly grey with white redish undersides. I could see it start combat by releasing a cloud of steam similar to Obscuring Mist and then attack the party while using the mist as cover.

>>12929176
Mustn't forget the Planar Dragons. You know, Pyroclastic and the like.

>>12929203
I like the fact that it has been implied a few times in the mags that Voral became Falazure the Night Dragon when Tiamat killed him.

Also, I wonder if Sardior (The god of the Gem dragons) is supposed to be connected to Tiamat because Bahamut is her brother too and Sardior is just as old; just rarely written about.

I've always found dragon cosmology amusing in DnD.

Randomly determine offspring's color

Add half dragon template of other color.

Are dragon alignments in Pathfinder dictated by breed?

Don't know much about Pathfinder, figured I would ask here because my question is dragon related and I'm playing in a game soon.

>>12929198
Purple dragons breath Slashing damage.

Try that for size.

>>12929365
check Pathfinder - Chronicles - Dragons Revisited it will give you all the information you need on dragons in the Pathfinder setting

Would you count Dragonborn in the list, even slightly?

>>12929488
Dragonborn are not actually related to dragons

>>12929221
I'm in a bit of a rush right now.....but is the total number of canon dragon species equal to some power of 2? If it is, that power is the number of generations of carefully controlled breeding it would take to create a dragon that is an equal mix of all dragon species (AKA THE ONE DRAGON TO END THEM ALL)

One thing I always wanted to throw at my players were Linnorms. Their like dragons, but horrible inbred primordial offshoots. Their bodies are serpentine, they only have forearm appendages, sometimes have 2 heads, no wings but can fly, and sickly matted scales and hair. I always kinda liked the idea of these things lurking down in the deep, where not even the Shadow Dragons would venture.

>captcha: youttook village,

Yes captcha, yes they did.

Brown Dragons are awesome.

>>12929540
>AKA SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE

Really, my biggest problem with dragons is lairs and territories. They are

>predators; highly terratorial
>loners; not given to groups (except bronze, and then only sort of)
>and fliers, able to cover vast swathes of ground in a single day.

How... How many dragons can you fit in a fantasy world? I mean, to have a reasonable population, I would think that every single square inch of a continent would have to be part of some dragons territory.

>>12929572
Like a bat outta' hell.

COLOR BLENDING /tg/! Do you not understand it? Did you skip kindergarten or something?

Here's a helper:
http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/color-blend/

>>12929585
So if you breed a white and red dragon, the offspring are pink dragons?

... so THAT'S why they don't crossbreed.

>>12929572
I love that picture.

Because you know all he really wants is to eat that horse.

>>12929598

And they breathe soup bubbles.

>>12929604
How.... undignified.

Does anyone know what dragons DO? I mean, when they live 3,000 years, I'd think that just sitting on a pile of shineys and trying to add more to it gets kind of old. I think I just have a crappy GM, but it seems mostly like dragons exist to sit on beds of gold and get killed by adventurers.

>>12929604
I think you mean soap.

>>12928830

Breeding the ulitmate dragon by using different breeds you say?

>>12929617

They eat, horde, and breed.

Dragons like to think of themselves as the highest authority of what they claim is their territory, so if they also like to fuck shit up that pisses them off in their land and collect tributes from anything else intelligent living there.

>>12929617
Yes, that is exactly what that means. (That you have a bad GM, I mean. Or, at least, a GM that doesn't know how to properly utilize the majesty of the dragon.)

>>12929581
>Every square inch is some dragon's territory
Yeah, that's pretty much how it works
>AKA SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE
oh, come on man. I just meant that from a hypothetical point of view. I'd never actually use it for something other than the boss fight to end all boss fights.

>>12929617

Some dwell over knowledge or magical experimentation, some collect stories or jokes for kicks, some meddle in mortal affairs, and many take alternate forms while doing any of those.

Go read the 3e MMs and supplements for analysis of what dragons do.

Also they sleep a lot.

>>12929598

Well, white dragons are the weakest and reds are the strongest of the chromatics, so I don't think a red would really care to breed with a white. And it might also MELT the white one.

>>12929617
depends on the DM

The agreed stereotypical dragon is a giant flying lizard that collects gold, shits magic, breathes fire, lives for centuries, and snatches princesses for un-elaborated reasons. The only way to kill a dragon is if no more then 5 adventurers (less is better) marches up and slays it in a heroic effort.

anything else is simple refluffing.

>>12929651

The whole Omnidragon thing sounds interesting in a funny way. It'd take a draconic version of the Bene Gesserit, most likely. Which is quite an interesting mental image for a little plot...

>>12929651
Okay, yeah, I'm sorry. Didn't mean it like that.

And even then, it might be good like that; an annoying DMPC... Who the PCs then get to BEAT the ever-loving DAYLIGHTS out of.


Alright, then, new topic: Why on earth do dragons kidnap princesses? Ransom? Extortion? Meals? Just to be a dick? For NSFW reasons?

don't rust dragons also exist?

imagine cross breeding that with some other dragon and using it as an encounter... pissed off players everywhere

>>12929718
Depends on the dragon I suppose.

>>12929718

There are many theories.

Some say it's just to be a dick.

Some say it's because it's a great symbol of "I can do whatever the fuck I want and you little apes can't do shit to stop me" to take the kingdom's prized princess right before the king's army.

Some say that royal blood just has this awesome strawberry-like flavor you can't find anywhere else, and princesses are usually more tender than old kings.

The specifics likely depend on the particular dragon.

>>12929660

Oh god I laughed so hard at that pic.

Reminds me of when our current party's rogue tried to gamble with a brass dragon for an magical artifact we needed and lost EVERYTHING he owned, including land wills and the clothes on his back.

>>12929723
>Rust Dragon

Entering the Dragons lair, you see a tunnel, perhaps 30 feet tall, and 20 feet wide by your reckoning. A rock falls from the ceiling, and a scuttling sound fills the air. Roll spot, eh, 16? Alright. You see an Anthropomorhic Dire Rust Monster Wizard riding a Rust Dragon, which opens it's mouth to vomit Rust Monsters as the Wizard opens a Portal to the Elemental Plane of Rust.

We should crossbred a shadow dragon with the tarrasque. Most awesome boss ever.

>>12929718

NSFW reasons.

> every single square inch of a continent would have to be part of some dragons territory.

Anyone for A Game of Thrones with Dragons as the warring kings?

>>12929757

Fighter: "HA! Joke's on him! I have a *crystal* sword! Neener, nee-"*eaten*

>I would think that every single square inch of a continent would have to be part of some dragons territory.

There's your fantasy world.

>>12929757
Come back with a party of druids.

>>12929757
DM: o yes as a side effect all gold you own is now gone

>>12929718
Extortion sounds reasonable. I mean, there's the classic ransom, some dimmer (or more traditionally-minded dragons) might try using it as leverage for getting a kingdom if they're up for that. Alternately, if they're busy running legitimate enterprises remotely (shape shiftan!) they might be using it to go, "Okay, you can have her back if you drop all tariffs on overland export/import companies.


Or it could be Fuck You I'm A Dragon style "Precious, virgin, nobility-princess? Not anymore! What? What? You don't like that? Then come at me, bro!"

>>12929784
>>12929757

> Cool-world-concept-mind

>>12929833

Fixed that for you.

>>12929812
or a culinary dragon who appreciates the tender meat of virgin princesses rich with the flavor of royal dishes


its like those japanese cows that are massaged every day

http://www.choiceofgames.com/dragon/

Mandatory.

RED DRAGON.

BLACK DRAGON.

TIGER DRAGON. BURNING ACID DEATH.

Princesses have sophistry. Dragons desire educated conversation. Dragons chat them up, while dickering over ransom or whatever as an excuse to keep them until they aren't interesting anymore; any actual loot or ransom they get is just a neat bonus.

Of course, if they're evil, 'not interesting anymore' means 'food'.

>>12929900

Or a good dragon could kidnap a princes because they need to subcontract something to adventurers, but they're too lazy and important to go find some. This way adventurers come to you, and you get ones who (may) be extremely competent, too!

>>12929540
it would take fucking ages and you'd have to force some of them to mate. but i can imagine a long lived powerfull cult , like a fantasy version of the masons or illuminati or something trying to do it. of course if you setting has dna you could try and splice 'em all together

>>12929993
The resulting dragon would likely be incredibly unstable, and would probably have to make a fortitude save each round in order not to simply melt down in a nuclear dragonsplosion.

>>12929993
>>12930090

Or,
you know,
You could just get Tiamat and Bahumut to fuck.

...

Yeah, so powers of two, huh? If we assume sixty years for each generation, then how long will this take? Actually, I think the real trick would be finding a dragon of each type...

Believe it or not, I like the way the FR dealt with dragons in terms of land grabs.
Sure they used to have some epic spanning empires under their individual controls, but then the elves got uppity and created a mythal that caused dragons within a randomly determined area to randomly go BERSERKER every so many years.
Many of whom ended up getting slain when unable to use their magic to their aid, and with all of their armies turning against them for roasting innocents alive.
As a consequence most dragons have learned to stay out of human regions just in case they snap and get slaughtered by the vassals which serve them.
The side-effect being that the EPIC (CR 60+) dragons of the realms who have developed immunity to this epic magic love dicking around with mortals under the guise of old sages and such.

>>12930144
A prismatic dragon (Tiamat), a platinum dragon (Bahamut), a ruby dragon (Saldior), a force dragon (???).
Fuck everything else, just use those four and you've got a god dragon right there.

>>12930158
Wait, they did what? Please explain.
>which domption
...Explain that, too, if you can.

Ultimate dragon reporting in.

>>12930144
This brings up another question. When do dragons reach sexual maturity, and when do they start to feel the itch? Is it when they're young? Young adult? Adult? Do dragons experience the rush of hormones associated with puberty?

>>12930223
Pretty sure Draconomicon holds the answers to your questions

>>12930203
As if Alatreon isn't more powerful, just unstable

>>12930203
Really... you seem to have a slightly porous jugular vein, for an ultimate dragon. Are you certain in your claim?


BTW, is anyone else moderately disturbed by the fact that all dragons can breed with anything else (the CHART!), but only a few dragons can polymorph? I sort of HOPE it depends on magical polymorph assistance, but otherwise.... egads.

>>12930203

bitch, i only needed 3 of my friend to put you down.

>>12930274
>egads
This just in! The CHART being used as fetish fuel. Who'da thunk it? More at eleven!

>>12930223

I think Adult. Remember reading somewhere that they're more likely to mate frequently and leave clutches everywhere and unwatched.

>>12930203


Who's this?

>>12930456
I think that was at young adult, and adult is when they're most likely to actually invest some time in raising their spawn. (hatchlings? Children? Whatever.) Which, if I recall their ages right, would mean that the 'itch' whoeveritwas was asking about begins at the end of Juvenile/beginning of young adult.


You know, I think I just realized something. In the Draconomicon, it mentioned in passing that younger dragons will often claim territory adjacent to an older dragon of the opposite gender. Younger dragon gets (some) protection, an example to learn from, and some guidance. Older dragon gets a steady supply of poon.

Which isn't as odd as it sounds, because from what I understand, dragons grow old, but don't get elderly. So despite it being 'Old', 'Ancient'. 'Ancient Wyrm', or whatever, for it's age category, it's just getting bigger and more badass as opposed to wrinkly and decrepit.

[/tangent]

why hello there

>>12930528
However, the still do AGE, technically, and while they certainly grow stronger and wiser, older dragons are susceptible to bouts of senility and age-induced bitterness.

>>12930530
GOD DAMMIT YUKARI

>>12929946
GENIUS.

>>12931175
To provoke a war would work as well, if the dragon could disguise that (s)he took the princess in the first place, or blame [other nation] for hiring hir to do it. (Or 'princes' according to what looks like a typo. Why do dragons go after princesses anyway? Do female dragons kidnap princes?)


I mean, the another option is they want to set up some half-dragon spawn on the throne, or give a royal bloodline sorcerous tendencies. Or, I suppose, they think seducing royalty is a fast track to the throne. (Hell, they might even utilize illusion magic and shapeshifting to 'rescue' [royalty] from themselves, creating a solid "Adventurer, saved princess, awarded the princess and half the kingdom." personage.)

There was an awesome Dragon magazine article about this.

Purple (blue and red), Orange and Yellow dragons.

Purple (mix of blue and red) breathes pure energy. Orange breathes pure sodium, yellow I believe is salt.

>>12931364
sauce?

If two dragons of different colors mate, you get a dragon with two heads and a weird case of schizophrenia. Keep adding different colors to the mix and you keep getting more heads of different colors. Eventually you get Tiamat.

Just because I love them so much and because I don't think they were properly explained earlier, I'd like to point out that orange dragons

1) are shaped like gigantic alligators
2) do not breathe/spit lava; they spit bombs of air-activated explosive coated in a short-lived, sticky film. That's right, they spit sticky grenades.
3) they live in big rivers and attack ships, which makes for awesome, exciting, dangerous encounters.

Fuck yeah, orange dragons.

>>12931364
>pure sodium

OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>12931718
>>12931736
It's not actually described as sodium, but it's the same effect. The sticky film envelope breaks down within a few rounds, and then the core explodes on contact with air.

So, yeah, it may as well be a sodium bomb.

How about a...

Translucent dragon that breaths vacuum? Damage from air being sucked out of your lungs?

sex with a dragon......

>>12931718
My god, it sounds like they spit napalm.

And napalm against a wooden ship is somewhat overkill in the same manner as a tsunami versus a medium sized fire elemental.

>>12930188
The Dracorage Mythal.

Grand History (And Dragons of Faerun) explain that the high elves using the epic magic that they regularly flaunted around (and almost destroyed all of elven civilization and the world with) created it to fuck over the dragon empires of old. And up until the very end of 3.5e fluff it was still active, causing random areas of land (miles upon miles) to be affected by it if a certain comet was too close to Toril.
Towards the end of 3.5e they got rid of it by saying that Samaster (in Lich form) made the mythal his phylactery and when it was destroyed so did the effect...
Which makes no sense if you look at some of the older books that mention Mythals to be creations of pure arcane energy that can only be destroyed by epic level dispelling effects by immensely powerful casters.
Oh and making a mythal into a phylactery shouldn't work since just touching a mythal auto-disintegrates you (no save, no immunities).

In short, Elves made a giant magic artifact that later writers retconned out of existence because they don't like the thought of dragons being unplayable/prone to go into massive rages/etc

The 4e draconomicon has a short section on plychromatic dragons. The same principle could conceivably be applied to something other than two chromatic dragons breeding as well. Taking the mechanical suggestion into another edition would require some tweaking, but may be doable.

>Sometimes chromatic dragons display abilities from two or more different draconic lines. A white dragon might have a tinge of fire in its breath, while a blue dragon might exude the poison normally expelled by a green. These so-called “polychromatic” wyrms are said to be particularly favored by Tiamat, since in a way they share her multicolored nature. To represent these polychromatic dragons in your game, choose one of the bloodlines described below and apply its effects and benefits to a dragon that is not of the bloodline’s color. If you give a young or older dragon a bloodline that turns it into a polychromatic dragon, it is also entitled to gain the power associated with that bloodline in exchange for a power or ability it already had. It’s not possible for a dragon to have an alternative power from the previous section as well as a polychromatic power from this section if both powers require the replacement of the same power or ability. For instance, a white dragon that has exchanged frightful presence for glacial armor can also gain the red bloodline. But it cannot also take the inferno wave power, since that power also replaces frightful presence.

So do both dragons polymorph into humanoids to have sex or do they do it as is?

Because two giant dragons boning would probably cause massive damage to the surrounding area.

Hell that could be a plot thread.

"Brave adventurers, for the past 3 weeks the dragon of forticauth and laugfangt the vile have engaged in carnal relations, the damage to our farmlands and houses has been immense. Will you accept our noble quest to help kill their boner?"

>>12931718
>Orange Dragons
>Bigass Alligators that pop out of the bayou and spit sticky grenades onto your boat.
CONFIRMED FOR GOD TIER

NEED A PIC PLEASE

rule 34 Bahamut/Tiamat

>>12928664
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>>12928664
>>12928664

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

THIS ENTIRE THREAD

GENETICS DOES NO WORK LIKE THAT
>>12928664
>>12928664
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>>12928664

>>12931908
Evil bastard. They're just trying to get some love.

>>12931908

Oh god, I released I have already been paid to do this in Monster Hunter.

>>12932047
*realized

>>12932047

THATS why dragons hate humans so much!

We're a race of cockblockers!

>>12932095
Not just humans, but elves, dwarves, orcs, halflings.....anything you find in a party of PCs is a potential cockblocker!

>>12932047
How HORRIBLE of you!

>>12930504
Fatalic from Monster Hunter.

>>12932183

B-But if I don't kill their love, I'd go hungry...

>>12930504
Fatalis* sorry I misspelled
>>12932276

The ability to breed with damn near anything IS the dragon's greatest power. A male dragon can create an army by boinking everything in sight. Humans, animals, other kinds of monsters...

A female dragon can raise half-dragon offspring to be loyal servants and soldiers. need an army? send half-dragon/orcs to take over the local tribes. need a bodyguard? surprise the PCs with a band of fire-breathing ogres at the entrance to the lair.

Dragons?

found these a while back as different takes on dragon types.

Another take on a black dragon

Brown dragon

Last one the white dragon

Those are so stupid.

>>12928664
Black Dragon + White Dragon = Skin it, make chessboard.

>>12932617
Neat dragons. Seem very Monster Hunter-ish.

rolled 584 = 584

>>12932667
you sir have no taste

>>12932681
No, they're ugly and they look like fat birds.

>>12932708
What, you mean you don't want to fuck them? Perish the thought!

>>12932680
They don't look penisy enough.

Fuckin Monster Hunter and its Penis Wyverns.

requesting Bahamut/Tiamat Rule 34

My DM once pitted us against what turned out to be an albino blue dragon. We shat a brick fortress.

>>12932758
The fuck you smokin, nigga?

>>12932778
>albino blue dragon

Was it red?

>>12931736
the dragon not being orange is more due to the scanner (or scanning program)

>>12932881

In one of my campaigns the party got a taste for dragon-blood, and wound up killing a lot of them, and cooking them as well as using their parts for cool stuff (it was not discussed that eating the flesh of a sentient creature is pretty evil until much later).

Anywho, to put a stop to this I dropped info about a mated pair of a black and a blue, in a swamp near the base of a mountain. They killed the dragons, and then discovered the eggs.

Because of the different requirements for egg habitat listed in the 3.5 Draconomicon, I figured it would be difficult for such offspring to actually develop enough to hatch. I decided that out of 4 eggs, only 1 turned out viable.

The outcome was a cute little black/blue dragon we named Bruise, and adopted (another party favorite past time). I worked him as having both a burrow and swim speed, the slower of the flight speeds, a mix of ability scores and added abilities, and he breathed a line of electrically charged acid.

Also put a stop to the dragon hunting, since the party felt bad for murdering Bruise's parents. I also had them find a magical music box on which the male blue had recorded a love poem for the female black. My party weren't sociopaths, so demonstrating sentience and emotions in their victims actually worked, as planned.

>>12932652
>>12932633
>>12932617
>>12932604
>>12932592

Can someone throw these on tgbooru?

>>12931908
Dude. Wings.

They probably have fantastic aerial sex, and buzz villages either just to show off or if one of the is feeling particularly exhibitionistic.

Bronze, of course, can do it underwater.


I think there was a story waaaay back when of how a group of adventurers were working a port city powerstruggle between a plain-nasty-evil slaver, an evil elven necromancer, and the ostensible captain of the city guard who happened to be a bronze dragon in the alternate form of a human. The PCs eventually managed to convince the necromancer and the Bronze to ally to get rid of the slaver, then convinced them to marry to stabalize the city; the necromancer thought she'd easily outlive a pitiful human, and the bronze figured he could keep the necromancer in check if he was her 'husband'. (Friends close, enemies closer, etc.)

Several years later, then end up coming back through the city and finding out that not only has it worked fantastically, but they're now actually legitimately in love with each other, and all upset because they're actually trying to conceive a child, but are failing. It all clicks into place while they're staying with this 'royal family', and assassins attack. One of the party members witnesses the necromancer turn into a blue dragon and fry some of the assassins. (Before reverting to her alternate form.)

They didn't want to interfere, but one of the party members really thought the bronze was a total BRO-nze, and that he ought to know. He wasn't happy to hear it, but he believed them, then went to confront Necromancer. (Wish I remembered their names. Then again, just being a story on /tg/, it might not have had any.)

>>12932968


Cue shouting match where she claims this shouldn't change anything, he gets all upset that she didn't tell her, she accuses him of taking his impotence out on her, and it rapidly deteriorates. It ends up with the two of them in dragon form, fighting, at least, until the PCs figure out that they aren't so much fighting as engaging in extremely violent hatesex, with lots of lightning. Feeling kind of awkward, they leave.

I think it sort of ended there, but one detail I remember was that all the lightning scoring on the walls was written off as 'another assassination attempt'.


>>12929119 is actually pretty relevant.

>>12932977
>engaging in extremely violent hatesex, with lots of lightning. Feeling kind of awkward, they leave.

I would've stayed and watched.

>>12933011
And been lightning'd for your troubles, I'd assume. Then again, they might not have noticed.

Though ye gods, if you managed to replicate it with an illusion spell, or something, that would be ultimate RAGE inducing material for taunting them. Like putting their sextapes online, or something. "Come one. Come all. See your exalted rulers fuck like rabbits."

>>12932912
>candy corn dragon
FUCK YES

Unless it breathes fucking off-brand candy corn. Truly the most horrible beast it'd be, then.

>>12933059
That stuff is hard, though, man! I'd say, 8d4 bludgeoning damage, at least. After all... I mean, that's some high pressure candy corn.

>>12933075
8d4 is ridiculous, unless it's halved against armored foes.

You know what? Let's fucking stat the Candy Corn Dragon.

>>12931333
>Do female dragons kidnap princes?
Shrek says yes.

>>12933088

Instead of 8d4 damage, I'd say 4d4, but any target that fails the save is immobilized beneath the candy corn, and has to make a DC X Str check to free themselves. Failure to do so invokes another 4d4 crushing damage the following round, then repeat the cycle as needed.

Also, the dragon should get at least 6 attacks per round, since it is likely hopped up on a ton of sugar.

>>12933088
Well, it's kind of small....

Call it 10d4, halved against armored foes; crit rating 17-20 (SOLID WALL of candycorn hitting you int the face. Eye protection?), and I have no idea what else. Perhaps cone, range fifteen feet?

>>12933116
I'd figure a line, personally. Call it about 30 feet.
>>12933116
17-20? That's a 1 in 5 chance of doing 20d4. I know d4 isn't much, but an average of 50 damage is an average of 50 damage.

>>12933155
Why did I respond to the same post twice?>>12933110
>Instead of 8d4 damage, I'd say 4d4, but any target that fails the save is immobilized beneath the candy corn, and has to make a DC X Str check to free themselves.
I could go with this.
>Failure to do so invokes another 4d4 crushing damage the following round, then repeat the cycle as needed.
Candy corn is LIGHT, man. Being buried in that much sand wouldn't make you take damage, and sand is a ton heavier.
>Also, the dragon should get at least 6 attacks per round, since it is likely hopped up on a ton of sugar.
LOLNO
Improved initiative.

>>12933155
You're right. Go with >>12933110, but it should have a high crit rating if you aren't wearing both groin armor and a helmet that protects your eyes.

>>12933109
Never seen it, but what the hell. Why, who, and how?

Somebody archive this shit.

>>12933169

Hm. I can agree with Improved Initiative, but I would argue on a special rule that the Candy Corn Dragon has it multiple times. And yeah, candy corn is light, so maybe instead of more crushing damage, you're tossed about by the flowing sea of candy corn rolling you around, so 4d4 the 1st round, save or make Str check; fail the check and take 2d4 basing damage, and lose initiative for the next round.

>>12933214
I really don't know why you feel the need to have specific secondary damage. Save against being tossed around, don't know if that'd be str or dex, or get knocked back 30 feet or so. If you hit a wall, you'll take damage.

>>12933214
I think making the candy corn have a knockback effect would be more fitting, making the combat more tactical as the dragon can knock you into pits (of candy corn) and off ledges, or into other obstacles.

>>12933214
And yeah, it can totally have multiple improved initiatives, or we could just give it its own extraordinary initiative-buffing deal.

So what would its hoard consist of? Being a candy corn dragon I would assume something like those chocolate coins wrapped in foil, yes?

>>12933243
>>12933245

Ok, we can drop the secondary damage and just assume it'd be circumstantial (slammed into a wall, etc), and go with knockback. 30ft/5 squares in a line following the line of the candy corn. I'd still claim that any character failing the Str check should go last the next round though.

>>12933293
Mint condition unopened limited edition confectionary.

>>12933293
Well via the Draconomicon, hoards are collected for various reasons, the most prevalent being the connection they have with becoming a Prestige Class known as an Ascended Dragon.

Basically, if they get enough of a hoard and then eat it, they transcend their long-lived, yet still mortal form to become divine.

>>12933293

Chocolate coins, Hershey's Treasures, various hard candies that look like gems. Just think Flapjack. Also, on that note, a candy mate would be hilarious.

>>12933304
Just make it an initiative penalty. If you really feel like it, make it a big one.

>But Io's plan to make the perfect dragon needs Bahamut and Tiamat to fuck.

I knew I saved this for a reason!

>They have to get Bahamut and Tiamat to stop all the fighting and realize they love each already. I mean, anyone can see it. The way that Bahamut sucks in his gut and tries to stand a little prouder whenever they're fighting, that lustful glint in all ten of Tiamat's eyes as she tries to put her mouths all over him. Sure, she disguises it by putting the teeth in, but ask any of her Consorts, she likes it rough. Once the PCs get them to recognize their feelings for what they really are, Bahamut and Tiamat go off to Arcadia for an orgiastic honeymoon and give birth to the second coming of Io.

>>12933304
Would it be possible to model it a a fluid where for 1 round they effectively count as being waist-deep in water? And if the people fighting are in an enclosed space there is nowhere for it to flow it can build up over the course of a battle (and the dragons could have pools of the stuff in their lairs).

>>12933341
>Curses! Field ALWAYS too long!

Dragon God Counseling
Level: 30 (57,000 XP)
Complexity: 5 (Requires 12 successes before 3 failures.)
Primary Skills: Bluff, Diplomacy, History, Insight, Religion
Arcana (DC 19): You use your magic skills to manipulate light in the area to provide a soothing "mood lighting." This can be used for one success.
Bluff (DC 33): You exaggerate one of Tiamat or Bahamut's positive qualities to cast them in a better light to the other. This can be used for two successes.
Diplomacy (DC 28): You mediate talk between Tiamat and Bahamut, steering them away from insults and threats and guiding them into progressively friendlier conversation. This can be used for five successes.
History (DC 28): You point out a point in the past where their interests coincided with each other, but they refused to work together because of their baseless animosity. This can be used for three successes.
Insight (DC 33): You intuit the root of either Tiamat or Bahamut's anger and show how they could better themselves and further their goals by accepting each other and working with one another. This can be used for two successes.
Religion (DC 19): Your vast knowledge of both Tiamat's and Bahamut's tenements allow you to compare and contrast their beliefs in ways that emphasize their similarities and downplay the differences. This can be used for three successes.

>>12928989
Dragon Quest much?

>>12933345
Realistic, perhaps, but it's important to remember that when making homebrew for a theatrical system like D&D, convenience usually needs to take priority over realism. The rules for being waist-deep in liquid after getting candy corn'd is totally good, but building up would be more or less left up to the DM, as far as I'm concerned.

>>12933456
I'm sorry if that sounds really insanely condescending, I just reread it and noticed that it seemed that way.

>>12933456
Not quite, as you could simply say the dragon breathes 25 cubic feet of candy corn or so every breath. There are already spells and items that do the same with water, so it won't be much different. Say that for the first round the candy is piled up around the dragons targets (implementing the waist-high rules), but after that it has flowed into a flat layer covering the floor. There would be little need for most DMs to keep track of the candy corn beyond the 1-round piling up effect, but for narrative use (like say, the dragon trying to fill something with candy or suffocate the party in a pit) the rules framework would be there.

>>12933534
Oh, I suppose you're right.

As a side note, would we consider the candy corn a substitute for trail rations?

Would it be worth anything?

>>12933592
Could work, particularly if the party are getting cubic feet of the stuff. Probably should implement rules regarding only eating candy corn and missing out on other foodstuffs though as I'm sure subsisting on the stuff for months on end would not do you any good.

Value? Weight-for-weight just make it the same as wheat just to keep things simple.

>>12933439
>>12928989
Wait... why chaotic good? Couldn't it just as easily end up lawful evil?

I guess it would depend on which parent they take after. Either they've got an interest in Order, but not much of one in Doing the Right Thing (unless it's right as in lawful,) or they've got an interest in Doing the Right Thing, but they're too impulsive and brash to be lawful.

Though I sort of dislike alignment being a genetic trait. That always seemed really silly to me.

...Then again, dragons to pass on parts of their memories to their hatchlings, or something, so I suppose it might work. Still sounds silly, though.

>>12933341
>>12933356
I want to know why you saved this and where from.

Archive this shit!

I have learned everything I have ever desired to learn about dragons in this thread....

>>12933646
I love candy corn, but I'd just say that you could only live on candy corn for a day before you started getting sick.

>>12933658
From here many, many months ago. Maybe over a year actually. I don't know, but it was pretty far down in the pile of crap I've collected from /tg/ and then mostly forgotten about. As for the why, I thought it was humorous. Ha-ha, skill challenge hook ups for dragons.

>>12930203
(White)Fatalis?

Valakas and Lindvior would like to say hi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E7inJprFG0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxOuEOz_ObQ

>>12932968
>>12932977
I actually have that thread saved, and that story word for word. You got it pretty close.

And yeah, I really liked that one too.

>>12933660
you desired to learn about dragon mating habits and interbreeding? i pray you use your newfound knowledge in a productive manner

Archived as per a few requests.


Another question; how do Dragons get on with Yaun-Ti? I mean, they both tend to be prideful and master-plannin', but are green dragons willing to work with Yaun-Ti, or even ally with them? Pic only yaun-ti related, couldn't find both thema nd dragons in the same one.

>>12935690
Yuan-Ti are to Green Dragons as Kobolds are to every other dragon.

Green Dragons are some of the most intelligent dragons, so they're able to manipulate more powerful followers.

Actually, according to my MM, they're rude, obnoxious, vulgar, and crass to anything that they're certain they can take. Only around individuals of near-equal or greater power to they start acting all affable-like.

Hell, around older greens, the put a thin veneer of courtesy on, that both parties know is a total sham.

And then there's their courtship. "Violent and inelegant", or something like that.

>>12935720
I still love pathfinder's dragons revisited for involving the gold dragons trying to convert the green dragons to good, as the green are clearly intelligent enough to see why this would be a smart option.
Long story short, it ends with the green dragons going "just as planned" having stolen all of the knowledge/libraries/etc of the gold dragons and almost successfully causing a genocide against them.

>>12935773
I think /tg/ just found a new catchphrase.

Don't fuck with Green Dragons.

Thats how grey, brown, purple, orange and of course, the notorious pink dragons appeared.

>>12935773
I'm fairly surprised as gold dragons are supposed to be anything but dumb.

Then again, in vanilla 3.0, (what I have,), they're basically the mary-sues of dragons.

>Better stats than any chromatic dragon
>flies faster than a red
>better powers than any other dragon (Debatable, but better than most chromatic)

I mean, really....

>>12935842
They're LG so they probably naively believed in ultimate redemption for all peoples.

That's why there aren't any Gold Dragons anymore.

>>12935842
>>12935852
They have to have the abilities because in the fluff for most settings they're pretty much the stereotypical Lawful Stupid.

In fact, I have a hard time thinking of any setting where there is a high level gold dragon actually fluffed out, without at least 5 fluffed out red dragons, all of whom easily outclass the gold.

>>12935842
God, in 3.5 Gold Dragons were fucking stupid.

"They are the best Dragons, because fuck you they're the best. They're bigger, tougher, smarter, faster, prettier, and just BETTER then any other Dragon SO THERE."

Even my 7 year old thinks it's stupid.

God Tier: Green, Black
Awesome Tier: Brown, Silver
Everything Not listed Tier: Everything not listed
Shit Tier: Gold, White
Ohshitniggawtfrudoing tier: All of the new Metallic Dragons in 4e.

Seriously. I like 4e, but those new metallic dragons are stupid as hell. No surprise that they haven't been talked about in this thread at all.

>>12929723
Rust and shadow dragon crossbreed. Breath weapon that rusts weaponry and armour AND inflicts negative levels.

>>12929773
It's called Xorvintaal. Dragons actually play it.

Where does Klauth end up on the dragon power chart? Also, did he survive the Spellplague?

>>12937232
mygod.jpg

>>12937346
Klauth is one of the more powerful ones listed in any book, that is unless you count INFERNO the 61 HD Red Dragon built using the ELH's Epic Dragon rules (Power of Faerun).

>>12935916
>God Tier: Green, Black
don't you mean
>God Tier: Green/Black hybrid

Their Acid breath attack is a cone with the length of a line. A CONE WITH THE LENGTH OF A LINE!

>>12938310
As opposed to a cone with the length of a circle?

>>12938310
I'm still not sure if that can top a breath weapon that disintegrates metal and inflicts negative levels.

We really need to get on with making some kind of a coherent system for crossbreeding these monsters so we can get on with making the ultimate dragon.

How about we make some kind of, I don't know, magnetic dragon. Maybe with a line particle beam breath weapon that is use its magnet powers to bend around corners.

>>12938328
BTW, which dragon was it that had a sonic breath?

>>12938320
As opposed to a cone with the length of a cone, I imagine.

>>12938353
The Battle dragon (Breath weapon: Sonic energy, Fear gas) and the Elysian dragon (Breath weapon: Sonic energy, inebriation gas)

>>12938414
>Inebriation gas
Wait, there's a dragon that breathes drunk? What is that gas, like alcohol fumes?

Wow, if Smaug had been like that I don't think Undermountain would ever have been abandoned.

>>12938386
Length of line > Length of Normal Cone

>>12932095
Fuck yeah, bitch.

>>12938440

>>12938566
Other than the fact that I don't really see these guys hanging out underground all that much, I think they would get along wonderfully with a band of drunken jolly dwarves. Look at that guy. You could see in his fact that he's 420, all day, everyday.

These guys are pretty amazing.

>>12938595

>>12938611

>>12938611
>>12938595
>>12938566
>lust-fueled festivals

>>12938414
Pyroclastic Dragon as well iirc.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/True_Dragon_Index_%283.5e_Other%29

Pretty good list of dragons here for those who were wondering.

Half-white half-red dragons?

Wouldn't they just be pink dragons?

I'm personally a fan of the draconic psychoses presented in Dragon 313, most especially the Spellhoarding one. Gives the dragon wizard casting instead of sorcerer, using its own scales as a "spellbook". And Ravening is just evil on certain dragons since it lets them do their breath 3 times in a row and then roll 1d4 to wait for the next set of 3 rounds it can use it again.

>>12938654
I kind of see them as the tom bombadil of dragons. They drunkenly dance and sing their way from one party to the next, leaving a trail of confused but satisfied people of many genders and races in their wake.

..and now I want to roll up a dwarven half-elysian dragon bard.

>>12938654
Well? Where do you THINK all those half dragons come from?

>>12938811
>>12938805
>Anything that moves
>No ability to polymorph self
Kin-kyyyyyyyy.....

>>12938811
Mostly from very emotionally confused sex in which a very haughty and self-important drake gets off on doing or being done by members of a race that it considered hopelessly beneath it. We touched on some of these points the last time we has a serious discussion of the psychology of bestiality. It's a degradation fetish.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_humiliation

The Elysian, on the other hand, just likes getting laid. If your village can throw a good party, it probably worth accidental depositing a few half-breeds in it.

Is the Elysian Dragon the creepiest one?

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS

>>12938948
He has found our secret!

>>12938872
That makes dragons sound REALLY fucked up. TBH, I'd expect it to be more of a "I'm so much better than them; I can have anything I want from these puny humanoids." mentality, unless they had gotten all lovey-dovey with a mortal.

But either way, yeah, I suddenly understand why half dragons are so FUCKED. UP.

>>12938939
It's a lack of inhibitions dragon. That can be kinda creepy or jovially good natured depending on how you play it. I don't think they'd go creepy date rapist on anyone with their drive to promote general happiness, but if you happened to say no they total try to get you drunk to see if that would change your mind.

So maybe a bit?

I just want to make a dragon who's a bro.

>>12939056
No! It must have DEEP! PSYCHOLOGICAL! PROBLEMS!

>>12939056
Try bronze. It's in the name.

>>12935916

Hey now, to be fair they only introduced 4 new types, and I like two of them.

Mercury dragons: The shapeshifting assassin dragons. I like these guys.
MIthral Dragons: Prophets who breathe divine fire. Also, legitimately immortal.
Orium Dragon: Personally, I'm pretty sure orium is a bastardization of orichalcum, but these guys breathe out lightning snake servants.
Steel dragons: "You know what? Being a nigh-immortal human is way more fun than a dragon."

I think the mithral and steel are weak, especially steel, but I love mercury and orium.

>>12939099
Well how about someone who tries a bit too hard to be everyone's friend, and spends a lot of his time with his mind blazed halfway to the astral plane due to feelings of deep personal inadequacy?

>>12939165
I'll bite. Can we have more detail on each of those?

So, looking at all these weird dragons with odd breath weapons, what happens when they use the Spell Compendium spell that turns their breath weapon into an elemental?
Inebriation elementals?

>>12938872
Really can't agree. Dragons are arrogant and don't really have any conventions; therefore, they basically only hold themselves to their own standrads. Ex, if a (good) dragon decides they like to whore around, well, it gets the rocks off, mortals can offer consent, and anyway, (s)he deserves whatever (s)he wants, and is gracing them with hir presence. (Etc, etc, etc.)

I figure evil dragons (like green,) would be totally down with buggering about to get themeselves half-dragon guards and minions; productive and enjoyable! And if anyone suggests that it isn't dignified or respectable, kill 'em.

Only two mentions of kobolds this entire thread? I am dissapoint.

>Following Unpove.
You can't prove anything. It's all circumstantial.

>>12939247
That's because kobolds only wish they were dragons, and aren't actually worth mentioning.

>>12939190

Sure, I guess.
(all reviews in my words, not wizard's)
Mercury Dragons: Looking like the child of an anorexic Silver and an albino viper, mercury dragons are perhaps the least arrogant of dragons. A mercury dragon craves one stimulus, and one only: Variety. It is commented by other dragons that the mercury dragons have breathed too much of their own poisonous breath, as they frequently behave erratically, and will willingly submit themselves to another's will, as long as they are promised new experiences and a sizable hoard.
Consummate shape-shifters, mercurys frequently try living among humanoids, but they aren't as adept at picking up social cues. A mercury dragon may kill and eat their host's cat once they realize they've never tried cat.
When dealing with a mercury, it will have one of two approaches: either it will attack you out of boredom, and demand you tell it why you should be spared (in an honest desire to know something interesting), or it will try chatting first if it feels sufficiently varied. Mercuries should never be fully trusted, as many draconic tales feature the mercury betraying its master at a crucial point "to see what happens".

>>12929581
You're absolutely right. Every square inch probably IS a dragon's territory, even the cities, where you'd find some silvers, golds, but mostly steel dragons.

>>12939266

Before I move on, a few tactical notes: their breath renders them invisible to the victim, as well as poisoning them, it is especially deadly when it has an advantage over it's foe, and if they cannot gain entry due to their size, they can turn into a large puddle of quicksilver.

Mithral Dragons: If your (good) god sends a dragon, odds are, it's a mithral. Claiming to be the most powerful and majestic of dragons (a claim that wins them no friends among the gold or red), Mithral dragons dwell within the astral sea, or ancient temples. They are blessed with foresight, and are capable of teleportation from the moment they leave the egg. They are in many ways the ascetics of dragonkind, having their followers build them gardens or tend flocks to feed them, while they gather a hoard that will most serve whichever goal the mithral has foreseen in the skein of time.
Those who oppose the mithral dragon learn quickly that fighting one who sees the future is difficult, even more so when they can teleport at will.

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Orium Dragons: Imagine Indiana Jones, if he were a dragon. You're not thinking of an orium dragon, but you're in the right frame of mind. One of the first things worth noting is that the ore the breed is named for, orium, is not frequently used anymore, a secret of the ancient empires that relied on the orium for protection. And with that, you may already grasp the core belief of oriums: the older the better. A clay pot that's 10,000 years old is worth more to them then their weight in fresh-minted coin. They lair in the ruins of the ancients, and seek to rebuild them to their former majesty. Oriums are unusually direct in their first encounter with new people, asking bluntly why you came to their home. This is so that they may divide you into the three categories they view all humanoids as fitting into: slave, meat, or thief. once they have you filed, you are slaughtered if meat or thief, and magnanimously allowed to live, despite how easy it would be to crush you, in order to continue the great work. An orium does not hunt if it can avoid it, as their are too many ancient secrets to study.
Notes for fighting an orium: An orium's breath weapon encases its foes in a cloud of acid, which then shapes itself into a living acid serpent. Beware the crushing tail of older dragon, but otherwise they rely on tooth and claw, not on spells, to bring down their foes.

>>12939370
While 'Indiana Jones: The Dragon' sounds awesome, their three categories makes them sound like dicks. Just saying.

>>12939446
>Indiana Jones: if he was a cannibalistic antebellum slave trader who exhaled poisonous gas serpents and would kill people at the drop of his trademark hat

>>12939370
Finally, the steel dragons.

It is highly likely, young adventurer, that you have already met a steel dragon. For a steel dragon's favorite lair is his own house on the main street of a bustling town or city. His preferred hoard is real estate, and decorations for the walls of his houses. A steel dragon, in short, prefers the life of a man such as you or I to that of a dragon. How can you tell if a man is a steel dragon? There are a few signs: firstly, when they are young, a steel may not realize he needs less food in his human shape than in dragon form. Thus, if you see a well-to-do young man consume an entire hog in one sitting, you may be watching a steel dragon. Further, whether by genetic necessity, or some other reason, a steel dragon always leaves some small hint in his human form. Perhaps his hair is gray before its time, or his eyes are a piercing gray. It may be as subtle as steel jewelry or pale skin. Yes, these aren't great signs, but they're what you get. In the end, it isn't really important whether or not you've met a steel. They choose our life because they admire our way of life. The most trouble one is likely to cause comes from one of their greatest divisions with their draconic kin: Steel dragons loathe authority, especially restrictive ones. They are as greedy as their kin, as despise laws that prevent them from legally obtaining what they desire. A steel may lead a revolution against a oppressive regime, uncaring whether the regime is actually good for its citizens.

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Of course, other dragons are not too fond of the steel for a simple reason: I notice you're kitting up to fight the Red dragon that rules this county. Tell me, was your employer a wealthy nobleman? No doubt complained about the tariffs? There's no shame in it boy, hell, I may be wrong, but I'd say you're a steel dragon's weapon against a rival. Hey, look at it this way: at least now you can demand more pay.
If you want to fight the steel as well, I'll tell you what little I know of their tactics. They know us, so they're quite good at tricking men into bad tactical positions. Their wings are thin, but strong enough to bat away crowding foes, and their breath is a roar that hits you like a wall of force. There's harder dragons, but most times you won't know you're fighting a steel until a little too late.

And that's all four of them.

>>12939521
Thanks. Also, my gawd, this thread has gone on long.

...And we can add candycorn dragon to the list of /tg/ created monstrosities....

Monster Hunter wyverns are best wyverns

>>12939795
Silly lava fish, you aren't a wyvern.

>>12939755
Land shark are awesome but with monsters I always go for the authentic look, pic related.

Haters gonna hate

Bump for awesomeness. Candy corn dragons? Certainly awesome.

Those mercury dragons sound really interesting, too. Very... mercurial.