>>12905800
They're seeing who will break first, you dunce. You, when you get stuck in the tangle of bureacracy, or them, when they are stuck in a deep, dark hole in a Supermax prison.

>PCs
>Being handled logically in a modern setting

PCs are generally the equivalent of terrorists in pretty much any setting, OP. I'm surprised you let it get that far without throwing in the towel and just restarting

You dictated to the group what you were going to run.
I assume, it was not a VOTE or even a discussion to have a game run in modern times, with consequence.
Reap what you sow.

>>12905800
>I force my bullshit on my group
>they act up, cause my bullshit is bullshit
>I keep forcing my bullshit on my group

Why not ask them what kind of game they WANT to play...?

>Put them in a trial
>Complain about how you have to set up a trial.

>They take the more fun options the whole time
>You expect them to willingly go to prison and let some guy defend them


>I can't tell if they're trying to punish me for running a more realistic game or trying to actually play
They're trying to have fun.


Shit DM is shit.

>>12905864
Madness.

Take the Shadowrun route; when they fuck up, throw them in prison and have them raped to death.

Its the only way they will learn.

uh, just take the next phase of the game into prison life, and have them do prison shit

Make this the awesomest campaign ever. Use the situation to your advantage. Maybe some sionist conspiracy will fuck up the trial. Maybe anarchists or right wing extremists will help them escape. The possibilities are endless.

>give them a reduced sentence

Are you kidding? It's supermax/gitmo for these guys. Best those characters can look forward to is some kind of prison celebrity status, because they are NOT getting out.

I'd resolve the trial with a quick "You make a holy show of yourselves with your defense and get maximum penalties" rather than actually spend 6 months with an OJ trial, they ARE guilty as sin.

Actually they're insane by any real world standards being in essence controlled by extradimensional entities that have no real fear of consequences and regard the world as a playground, so possibly a high security loony bin would do too

Wow, you're one hell of a shitty DM.

It's about having fun. I personally would now assemble a mock-trial, and eventually give them a way to escape from prison.

Mite b kewl

>>12905865
>>12905865
Protip: "fun" options are rarely "sane" options when taken in the context of the real world

>>12905948
>tabletop games
>real world

>>12905965
...Did you READ the OP?

>>DM game for group, warn them that this is a Modern game with consequences
>Modern game with consequences
>CONSEQUENCES

>>12905864

Or the players said, "Just make something and we'll play it." Some people have players that WILL NEVER give any campaign creation input or say what it is that they want to play. At all. Or say things so damned vague ("Something in fantasy." "Building something." or "Sandbox us.") that you still can't make a campaign based on what they want.

Declare someone a "shit" DM only after you know what kind of players he or she has to deal with.

>>12905979
WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!

>>12905877
>>12905879
Hmm... I think I'll go with these.

They want to play hardball? I'll make 'em choke on it.

BY GOD, MY CAMPAIGN WILL BE GOOD IF IT'S THE LAST THING I DO.

>>12906001
Have 'em get sent to Guantanamo Bay for wacky torture hijinks.

>>12905948
>implying it's not a game
>implying enforcing realism matters more than the players having fun
derp.

>>12905979
Yeah, so why the fuck are you whining about having to give them the consequences?

Give them the goddamn trial and stop whining if you want them to have the consequences of their actions, instead of whining about having to set up a trial you're choosing to set up.

>>12905987
>implying the game shouldn't adapt to the players needs and instead should follow a predetermined route akin to a track that might guide a fossil fuel powered vehicle of some kind.
I'm sure there's a term for that.
And it indicates bad GMing.

By the sounds of things you are DMing for the A-Team.

Having them find a store cupboard and build a makeshift battle-tank to escape is the only option.

>>12906063
The campaign started simply enough. The group were in a large plaza doing various random things (buying newspaper, sitting at an open air cafe, headed to work, etc.) Then a purse snatcher stole a woman's bag near the guy reading a newspaper.

Things started going downhill when the guy reading his newspaper stood up, pulled out his hand-cannon, let loose a shot in the air, and yelled at the top of his lungs "STOP, CRIMINAL SCUM"

I think I may have come off as hating my players, but it isn't a real hate. It's more of a loving hate, since they've turned my Modern Consequences game into a Modern Supers/Ordinaries game.

>People protesting trial for whatever stupid reason
>one of the protesters sets off a bomb or some such
>your players now have a chance to escape

>>12906116
>Trying to play a serious game with people who want to have fun

Also that guy sounds like a fucking boss and if you didn't realise at that point that no one gave a shit about consequences you're pretty slow.

>>12906116
So?
Fucking roll with it.
It's clearly what they WANT to play.

>>12906001

ALTERNATIVE.

Go XXX style. Players are sentenced to death for mass murder/terrorism. When being taken to the table they are switched for other convicts. Before they figure out what's going on they're being shipped like cattle to a military base. Once there they're given two options: Work for the government as ghost operatives or eat metal.

They can choose to end the game there, or they can choose to do what they want to do and you can still keep it somewhat logical. Hell, they can even choose to go Bourne Identity and suddenly you have government-supplied rogue agents on your hands. Sounds like this could be pretty awesome.

Have the equivalent of OSI or Sphinx or whatever break them out. Problem solved.

>>12906162
...I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously if you're going to keep using that face. It just looks ridiculous.

>decided unanimously to decline state counsel and represent themselves.

I blame Bioware.

Have actual terrorists break them out thinking their brothers in the same cause.

My path is set then.

My players don't want to be serious? Fine. I can roll with that. Don't care about consequences? I can dig that to.

But holy hell, are they gonna run into trouble. Just enough to make them squirm, mind, not enough to kill. Because after I'm done with them, CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.

>>12906192
Same way your players can't take your campaign seriously?

rolled 16 = 16

>>12906197
I don't know. When given the chance to defend your character in a trail it's one of those "Will this be your worst moment, or your GREATEST" kind of things. They made the right decision if you ask me

>>12906244
No, in a different way. My players are most likely just screwing with the game for laughs; however, that man's face is just unsettling.

The post office shows up in the middle of the trial with bags and bags of mail for the PCs, and the judge rules that they really are innocent.

>>12906242
>Because after I'm done with them, CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.

>>12906268
Haters gonna hate

>>12906284
I'm not hating; I'm just unsettled by the wideness of his grin. It's vaguely... wrong, for some reason.

Using the modern d20 system?

>>12906297
Good to know.

>>12906313
No, a modified Dark Heresy.

Try this idea, OP.
The prosecution makes a small but important mistake involving a piece of crucial evidence. Give the PCs a chance to spot it, which would rule it a mistrial.

They'll be forever branded as potential threats, may still risk Super Duper Gitmo treatment but they'll walk out.

Cue the arrival of the legal clerk in the employ of a strange, enigmatic man in the shadows, looking for a group of malcontents and misfits with a particular range of skills.

He's offering face lifts, prints being shuffled (ie: their fingerprints are replaced with the band members of Metallica, they get Metallica's) and a little bit of free training in the fine arts of wrecking shit.

And you have a new version of the Deadly Vipers Assassination Squad.

>>12906315
Goddamit, Ainsley fag, I thought you only frequented /ck/ and /tv/.

>>12906270
Damn Terrorist write in campaigns...

>>12905800

This shit happens me all the time. I hate when players who agreed on a quasi-realistic setting thinks they are movie heroes all the time and go full herp derp.

They forgot their weapons and armor in a fucking inn and they were upset at me when I told them they were pawned days ago when they went back for them a week later.

They got mad at me for jailing their ass for beating up a city guard near the goddamn barracks.

One of them got mad at me for trying to swim in fullplate with critical injuries and drowning like a brick.

What the fuck are they thinking?

>>12906366
>What the fuck are they thinking?

They aren't. They're probably using game time to shut down their brains.

What was going to be the underlying arc of the whole campaign before they decided to go nuts?

They want fun? have them roll skill checks against the undoubtedly impossible odds, and then get sent to prison. Then they have a new adventure: Avoid prison rape/shankings, and break out. If they fail, they will invariably get shut up so tight they can't try to escape, and have to wait several more years. You could turn this into a real opportunity. Either they break out all Shawshank style or something, or they rot for ten years or some such, and then get released, older, wiser, and more cynical.

>>12906333
Just spreading the love.
Ainsley out.

>>12906458
So what you're saying is that if they want fun you should do the opposite?

>>12906392
they approached me and asked me to run a more realistic setting than the usual, I wasnt even a dick about supplies, dehydratation, bad decisions etc but they kept doing shit even after I warned them out of the game about consequences

in the end they died when they went onto a moored schooner and cut the achor and the shore ropes during a storm

none of them knew anything about seamanship

some of them couldnt even swim

the ship was moored for repairs and it wasnt even stocked

I concluded the game with all of them drowning, when some of them started derping about the I let them throw 1d10 for the amount of days they survive without food and water.

>>12906487
It's not like it would have to take a lot of time. It might take like an hour. Hey, he wants to run a realistic game, slap them for being stupid, but give them some chance to influence the story.

Would you advocate the PC's getting a "get out of Orc Jail free" card in D&D? No. At very least, they have to do a little work to get out.

Do the trial. Afterwards have their transfer vehicle(s) intercepted and hijacked. You can have it by an intelligence agency or a home grown terrorist group, your choice.

If they get picked up by intel they'll be inserted into another country to fuck shit up there after beiing given the basic language training to make it.

>>12906604
Jail in DnD is...
I don't even know how you'd jail most the classes
You can take a wizard's spellbook, but that doesn't help with what they know
Fighters are manageable, but could just power attack their forehead through just about anything if they really felt like it
Rogues are like made for this shit
And then any spontaneous or prayer caster could handle that shit easiest of all

>>12906713
I would have suggested that, but it seemed a bit cliche and plot deviceish. I support this now that someone else suggested it though.

>PCs are generally the equivalent of terrorists in pretty much any setting, OP.

Here, remember it. It's an important piece of information

>>12906853
I was kinda surprised nobody else had yet.

>>12906920
Well to be fair when their alignments are good they're freedom fighters

>>12906849

they probably just brand people or hack off their limbs.

>>12906932

Won't stop them from acting like they're in an Exploitation flic though.

>Now I've got to organize a mock trial with witnesses, evidence, and other miscellania

That sounds boring as hell. Why don't you think of something fun, and do that instead?

Sounds like your players are doing it right, and you oh so wrong.

If I were in your group, I would really be looking forward to my grandiose self-defense and watching you wriggle angrily. Hell, I'd probably be poking around for legal loopholes right now.

Roll for anal circumference

>said Freaki

Aww yeah

>>12905865
>Players warned that actions will have consequences
>Players proceed to fuck everything up. Everything.
>Players get mad that their actions have consequences

Idiot players are idiots.

>>12907186
He hasn't actually said the players haven't been having fun has he?

>>12906849
>I don't even know how you'd jail most the classes

A wizard does it.

>>12907248
>Players get mad at me, despite the fact that I kept warning them that a subtle approach would be better, or that stealing a police car to chase after a purse snatcher may be a bad idea, or that crashing a helicopter into a tanker ship in the middle of a busy harbor might attract undue attention

>>12907121
Oh look, it's you again.

When will you stop with the reaction pics and post some actual content? Oh, never you say? Well fuck your shit then.

stealing a cop car is kind of an extra level of stupidity, they should at least try to act SOMEWHAT sane

it's like going up to a female inquisitor and slapping her ass in 40k or something, it's just dumb

>>12907308
I just decided to filter him. One less shirtless bald guy to look at

Cognitive Dissonance between the DM and PCs is never good.

They want to do standard cinematic action movie stuff and you want to play a street scale procedural. Those things don't work well with each other.

Either they need to adapt to the stories you want to tell.... lolololol

or you need to give them the stories they want to tell.

Do a montage scene which involves life imprisonment, a couple of weeks in the slammer and some connected set of good guys/bad guys/grey conspiracy free them/ bust them out.

They now get to play the over the top type of story they want to tell and you have managed to save face by not completely backing down.

If you want to still be a railroading dick, you could put cortical explosives in their head and force them to do what your evil mastermind wants but most groups hate that type of heavy handed shit.

>>12907347
Good decision. I prefer raging at him.

>>12907308

Avatarfags are even worse than normal tripfags because in addition to attention-whoring, they also clog up the thread's image limit with complete eyesores, normally in the form of obnoxious kawaii-uguu anime characters, but sometimes...even worse.

It really ought to be a bannable offense.

>>12907308
>>12907347

I've been doing that the entire time. You just never notice unless my beardy face is attached.

>>12907003
>>12907193
>>12907238

>>12907392
Yes, because you are a glorious fucking faggot. I hope I meet you sometime on the street. I'll make you eat that fucking beard. Fatass.

>>12907308

...also,

>When will you stop with the reaction pics and post some actual content?

>post is a reacon pic, contains no content except complaining about me

cool story, bro.

I'm ALWAYS dumber than my characters. So I come up with dumb plans or can't come up with plans on my own.

I wish my DM allowed INT rolls or some shit to give me hints or to warn me about my bad plans or to just make my plans work somehow because my smart character wouldn't be doing the plan unless his smartness told him it was a good one.

>>12907460
That gif would be cooler if it was the other way around.

>>12907308

You know, this is just blatant hypocrisy. In this post, you've done precisely what you've accused GNB of doing, yet it's worse I guess because he has a tripcode or something

What is it with the irrational hatred of tripfriends? It's actually nice to have them because I then have the power to filter the particularly annoying ones. But look at you. I'll have to keep seeing your posts every time you whine about irrelevant things on 4chan and I can never filter you. If you ask me, that's the real injustice here

>>12907501
thatsthejoke.jpg

and GNB is *still* worse then me.

>>12907520
>thatsthejoke.jpg
>thejoke'sonthemIwasonlypretending.png

>and GNB is *still* worse then me.

No, as I already explained, he's demonstrably preferable to you. If I find him annoying, which honestly I don't but that's irrelevant, filter! It's as simple as that. I filter him, and then I don't put up with any annoying posts from him ever again

If I find you annoying, and I do, I just try to ignore stupid posts that look like yours or carry on with a pointless conversation if for some reason I feel like I have a point that can be made, even though any point I make will either be forgotten, ignored, mocked, or some combination thereof. Far less efficient than just stamping out your annoying little voice forever with the power of SCIENCE!

>>12907501
Exactly.
Why do so many people hate Jim Profit?

>>12907611
I only nag about tripfags/namefags. For the rest I contribute.

And I have a very deepseated hatred for Mr. Golden Necbeard because of his arrogant, egotriping ways. For the rest I contribute as best I can to conversations I find interesting.

And you know? Fuck your preferences. I am not obliged to please your every whim, go fap to furry porn or something.
Also, Hilarious how you are doing the exact same thing as me, except you are doing it against an annon about whom you have no idea how he generaly behaves.

>>12907669
>>12907611
>>12907520
>>12907501
You are all idiots.

>>12907638

Is there a Godwin's Law for Jim Profit yet? Because if not, there should be

Anyway, whatever. Haters gunna hate, retard posters gunna post. Carry on, I've made my point and I now wash my hands of this pointless topic

>>12907669

Are you going to contribute or just bitch?

>>12907308
Golden Neckbeard posts way more content than you. And he organized m/tg/. Get the fuck out, faggot.

>>12907834
>Golden Neckbeard posts way more content than you
>Golden Neckbeard posts way more content than anonymous

I have no problem with Golden Neckbeard but you should really stop sucking his dick and making shit up to defend him.

>>12907863
Any anonymous who whines like that is obviously not a content provider.

Just out of curiosity:
GNB why the fuck are you always shirtless?

>>12907863
>"Anonymous" is one person
No.

rolled 17 = 17

>>12907863
>implying "you" refers to the entire group of Anonymous and not you as an individual

>>12907834
Let's compare that to some of the good namefags.

Wasteland Warrior- The reason roleplaying games were invented is because they knew that one day, someone would come along who would accomplish such feats of incredible awesomeness, that every other gaming medium would only impede him. His stories are the stuff of legend, and he's contributed much more QUALITY content than Golden Neckbeard. The Kender story is worth its weight in gold.

STORYTIEM- In addition to a thoroughly entertaining ongoing campaign, he's also been keeping the /tg/ rap threads alive. Haven't seen him around in a while, but the sheer amount of OC he's submitted is mind-boggling. The only people who submit more OC are quest thread authors (except quest threads suck). He's also the only avatarfag I can actually stand.

I apologized on 4chan - Well not all quest threads suck. You don't get a quest to 83 fucking installments without doing something right. This guy has probably contributed THE MOST original content by volume to the board.

MR RAGE- Okay, this guy is basically the posterchild for awesome tripfags. He posts often enough to not be forgotten, but not to the point of being an annoying attention whore. He never uses avatars to post, and almost always says something awesome. 10/10 would read again.

Golden Neckbeard, in my book, is only a few points above Zhakuvaan. He's not as all-out fucking rage inducing in everything he does, but goddamn if he isn't a naked avatarfagging attention whore.

>>12908120
Except for the part where Zhakuu is a shitty troll and GN actually posts on-topic stuff, content, and useful information.

You just can't get over his images. This is not a problem with Golden Neckbeard, it is a problem with YOU. Fix yourself, faggot.

>>12908120

why isnt my idol Spanish Flea on that list, he is a much better tripfriend than zhaku ever was >:o

>>12908145
If he had anything interesting to say, he'd do it in a way that wasn't completely off-putting.

Don't tell me I'm misinterpreting my own opinion just because I don't care to notice a diamond that's covered in shit.

>>12908172
>If he had anything interesting to say, he'd do it in a way that wasn't completely off-putting.
That is not logical.

Your criticism amounts to BAWWW I DON'T LIKE HIS IMAGES, BAWWW.

Once again: this is a problem with YOU. You can DEAL W/ IT FAG ^_______________^ or you can fix yourself. Your choice.

tripfags; cancer; nigger.

Can people just stop tripfagging already? You're fucking up the whole idea behind 4chan. And no, before you have to spout it like a mindless child, this has nothing to do with "legion".

Anonymity is the only reason 4chan is good. It's the only reason we're any fucking different from any old shitty forum.

Anonymity ensures that there can be no lasting internet drama, because the guy I just called a stupid faggot might as well be the guy I'm not commending for his good ideas on another subject. I have no preconceived ideas of the people I talk to. So we can skip all the shit and get down to business.

And you're actively shitting on all that. I've just demonstrated why you all are the cancer. For no other gain than personal internet fame. That doesn't ultimately mean fucking shit. There is no other reason to tripfag across threads than for shitty egoistic reasons.

I dare you to argue sensibly with me. Come on, I double fucking dare you. Except it's not possible. There isn't a single coherent fucking argument for why you want to attach an identifier to yourself on 4chan.

>>12908190
Grow up kid. If I see a shirtless hairy dude incessantly posting about random issues, my first thought is not "What a weird photo, but I guess I'll read what he has to say."

No, it's "What a weird photo." and I keep scrolling, and so should you, unless you're into shirtless hairy dudes. But far be it from me to tell you how to spend your own time.

The original point stands. If he had anything worthwhile to say, he wouldn't be so goddamn annoying with the images. That's just attention whoring in its purest form, and you're just lapping it up.

Wow, I can't help but find it remarkable how many people consider it bad GMing for player actions to have consequences. I suppose you believe that Shadowrun should never involve corps hunting runners down to make an example of them or having Lonestar (or Knight Errant) raping them for breaking the law because they made the stupid mistake of not covering their tracks.

>>12908248
Oh grow up, it's a dude without a shirt. It's not like he's posting a picture of a prolapsed anus with every one of his posts.

>the guy I'm not commending
the guy I'm now commending

Well, shit.
ftfm

>>12907121

Sometimes I think of you posing for those stupid reaction pictures, perhaps retrying them a few times to get the expression just right, and then thinking of a name for each picture.

In those moments, I am filled with a happy feeling that I have direct proof that there is someone even more pitiful than myself in the world.

>>12908260

Oh come on, aren't you being a bit hypocritical yourself?

I for one quite appreciate prolapsed anus guy's helpful posts and his extensive knowledge of FATAL rules minutiae.

This reminds me of a Lord of the Rings campaign i'm running.

Elf Rogue pickpockets someone, shoots an innocent townsperson in he neck with an arrow, and evades arrest, all in one day. The rest of the party refuses to help because they are all Lawful-Good and/or employed by the town guard.

And he wonders why the Rangers are after him.

Also, Ring-of-Fire honour duel with a Dorf Warrior. Hint: it didn't end well. Did i mention i'm strictly enforcing natural healing as well as timed quest hooks?

This cannot be reposted enough, now more than ever
-
to hide annoying tripfagtrolls, do this:
download greasemonkey at: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748
download 4chan filter at: userscripts.org/scripts/show/33916
there will appear a box in top right corner of your browser when visiting 4chan.
Use it to hide posts containing various expressions (for example, trips). Use a semicolon ';' to separate expressions.
The characters .*+?^${}()|[]/\ are RegEx operators. To use them as normal characters, add a backslash '\'. Thus to filter 'right?', you'd use 'right\?'.
!!IkBm+qsTaW7

>>12908260
Apparently you aren't going to be convinced that he's anything other than an attention whore.

In fact, I don't even know why I'm arguing with you people. I really could care less about GN or the boner you guys have for him, so I will. You can continue fanwanking to shirtless neckbeards, I'll continue to browse the board.

>>12908248
>I
>I
>me
Yes.

YOU.

Why the fuck do you expect anyone else to give a shit about YOUR personal stupid reactions?

I read the posts. If I don't like the images, I don't click on them. If you go "BAWW IT'S A DUDE WITHOUT A SHIRT I CAN'T READ THIS", then the problem is with YOU. You are a retard.

Stop being a retard and the problem will go away.

Players always seem to win against unsurpassed odds, at least in my games, I guess I go soft on them and let them get away with stuff even though each session I make an attempt to kill one of them.

The president is nervous, He's fumbling with his papers and Is clearly incompetent for his place in office.
>I don't like that, I shoot him.

As you slay the president guards rush into the room and level weapons at you...
>"Hey fellas! chillax, I got this!"

The guards see the dead president and they all rush you and attempt to tackle you.
>Wtf?! no Fel save?!
NO!
>I guess I have no choice...
>*dodges the guards knock-downs like a motherfucker and draws his weapon*
If you kill the guard's your just going to get into more shit.
>*kills them all and loots anything shiny they have, and steals the presidents suit*
>Now I have a disguise!

Godamn it, I hate and love my players at the same time.

>>12908260

You're obviously GN posting without his trip. There's absolutely no reason for anyone else to defend him. He has no redeeming features, and aside from his home-made reaction pictures is a complete non-entity.

there's a good reason why they're called tripfags not as some newfags would have it tripfriends.

Name(and avatar)fagging is the difference between an anon who likes Ayn Rand and Jim Profit.

>>12908248
>>12908317
You realize that, after all of those posts, your point still ammounts to "I don't like his images, so he's a bad poster"?

You're like the guy who hates touhoufag because he posts touhou images alongside his D&D advice.

>>12908340
>Everyone I disagree with is the same person
Just give up, man. You've backed yourslf into a corner here.

>>12908327
>implying every post is worth reading
>implying every post must be read
>implying a retarded picture doesn't detract from the message
>implying basic advertising principles
>implying you're not autistic

>>12908342
No, being a massive faggot is the difference between a guy who likes Ayn Rand and Jim Profit. The avatarfagging was just a symptom of the disease.

>>12908356
What was that? I didn't bother reading it because of your retarded picture.

>>12908359
>liking Ayn Rand
>being a faggot
Pick two. The latter implies the former.

>there's a good reason why they're called tripfags not as some newfags would have it tripfriends.
Because "fag" is the standard suffix on 4chan.

>>12908347
>the guy who hates
>the guy
>implying there's only one guy who does that

I try to be a decent tripcode user.

>>12908356
You can read or not read whatever you like, just please stop throwing a fucking hissy fit because you don't like some guy's images. I get that you're all emotional and irrational over this, but stop spewing it onto the board.

>>12905800
I know this has already been responded to death but really. They plead not guilty despite a large number of witnesses who are willing to testify AND they refused council and are defending themselves?

Unless one of them has some sort of relevant lawyering skill I wouldn't ever bother to play out the trial in detail sounds like they wouldn't really care to get into the details and it's not as if they are going to receive anything other than guilty: off to a supermax facility for you.

Even if they were a team of skilled lawyers, representing themselves is a dumb move, but that sounds about right for this bunch.

>>12908370
>Pick two. The latter implies the former.

Hardly. I've met plenty of people who like Ayn Rand who aren't massive cock gobblers. Even I'll admit that some of her points on ethics make a great deal of sense. Even if she isn't actually a philosopher.

GN's face right now

>>12908394
>Hardly. I've met plenty of people who like Ayn Rand who aren't massive cock gobblers.
Invalid. Liking ayn rand makes you a massive cockgobbler.

Whooo boy. This was a pretty darned good thread, players making their GM go crazy because the GM tried to make THEM go crazy.

How the hell did we devolve into a namefag-tripfag hatefest...?

As for the OP, if said person hasn't said, "FUCK THIS SHIT, I'M OUTTA HERE!"

Your players want to be Big Damn Heroes. They expect to be above and beyond the normal dude in every way. That's why a, "realistic campaign with consequences" doesn't work out too well. If I'm playing a role-playing game, and I'm a Player Character? I expect to be either a Big Damn Hero, or a Mischievous Fucking Villain.

That could just be me, but I suspect differently. I say you go the, "Supermax Prison" Wait for them to go A-Team and build a tank out of a paper clip, two pairs of boxers, and a single piece of electrical tape. Or, wait for them to instigate a prison riot to escape, then have them go on the run in typical PC Style.

Blow. Up. Everything.

>>12908362
My point, it's been proven.

>>12908370
>>12908359
way to miss the point. if he liked Ayn Rand but without avatarfagging it up all the time any thread he posted in wouldn't necessarily have become a shitstorm. Sometimes he even managed to make posts without referring to his philosophy.

>>12908415
Because surely the best way to disagree with someone's opinions is just to dehumanize them into a convenient and childish insult. Seriously, it's people like you that make me sympathize more with objectivists more than the idiots that scream about it being the greatest evil since Hitler fused with Stalin and took up raping children.

>>12908440
No, it would have been the same shitstorm. He was just a massive idiot, they trail shitstorms behind them as a standard part of their nature. The only thing the avatarfagging stirred up are those idiots who think that all of 4chan should be forced anonymous.

>>12908454
Welcome to the internet dude!

>Hardly. I've met plenty of people who like Ayn Rand who aren't massive cock gobblers.

They're the same type of people who like Landmark Education.

>>12908242
>In after no one responds to my post.
You guys aren't even going to pretend that I'm not right? I mean, usually you attack me with some bullshit post that doesn't even try to come up with anything that resembles a coherent argument. I guess you've already given up.

>>12908477
What's Landmark Education and what's wrong with it?

>>12908526
I could try to argue, but there isn't a point to it.
You are correct, in many cases, however I go anonymous a lot more often than I name-tripfag it up. I only do that when I think I have a valid thing to say. Otherwise, it's all cocks.

Oh, also, let's not stroke our e-peens just yet about your, "Victory over Namefags/Tripfags"
We're still going to do it.
Some, just to annoy you.
Others because they can.

>>12908242
There is absolutely no sense of responsibility for your posts in an anonymous environment. If you want proof of this, go to OPERATORchan and compare the conduct of the local tripfags (there are a lot of them) and the conduct of the local OPERATORs (their equivalent to anonymous). You'll find substantially more trolling and shitposting among the latter.

The use of tripcodes allows the best of both worlds. You can easily abandon a tripcode if the drama grows too great, but most people will want to maintain some level of attachment to their name, so they'll often avoid intentionally shitposting. There's a reason that all of /tg/'s best posters are tripfags (Mr. Rage and Dagda both spring right to mind).

>>12908415
Also, that picture is really not a fair critique of the philosophy. To be objectivists, they'd have to be engaging in fair trade of service and labor without violating one another's rights. It's like criticizing Christianity by saying that having people follow the ideology just results in non-stop crusades.

>>12908526
Other boards, I don't care, but on /tg/ there are people who have invested heavily in their own intellectual property.

Be it character ideas, art, game systems, campaign design, or whatever, people like to take credit and be known for something they created. At the very least, knowing who the author of something is makes it easier to find things associated with that person's work.

Forcing anon on a board like /tg/ would destroy the ability of people to be associated with the content they create or participate in. I'm not saying that everyone wants recognition for something they did, but if you think samefagging is bad now, hoo boy, you're in for a rude awakening.

It's not going to happen anyway, so I guess you're just going to have to learn to deal.

>>12908575
And doing things because you can is a huge part of the 4chan experience

>>12908601

Or like criticizing communism by saying that having people follow the ideology just results in the Soviet Union?

>>12908620
Something to the effect. Though I'd lend a bit more credibility to that one, since the formation of a totalitarian super-state is part of the outlined process towards a communist state. I wouldn't say it's overly ridiculous to argue that the idea of such a state miraculously dissolving is pretty questionable.

>>12908535
>What's Landmark Education and what's wrong with it?

It's a Scientology-like Sect, completely irrelevant to anyone but a hand full of Americans. Same as Ayn Rand.

>>12908420
Actually, I'm with this guy. Just because they're getting thrown into prison with no hope of see the sky without at least a barbed wire frame, doesn't mean the game has to end. Play out the tie in prison. Go watch Shawshank Redemption, Pappillon, Cool Hand Luke, Birdman of Alcatraz, Stalag 17, or any other decent prison movie. The consequences aren't just 'your characters are gone'. They've now got to play through the experience of being in prison. And not just the daily scheduled rectal abuse. The gangs, the prison politics, the treachery, the struggle to survive. Crooked guards, abusive wardens, arbitrary punishments, random beatings. Let them have it.

>>12908609
>And doing things because you can is a huge part of the 4chan experience. Just like annoying other people.

Added that part for you.

In all seriousness, I don't understand the rage that fills people when someone uses a trip code or a name. I suppose it must be because of /b/. Angry Marines without the Marines part.

Anyways, why don't we try to turn this laser guided fail-missile of a thread back on target, instead of aiming it at the hospital full of sick lolis?

I believe it was THAT GM. Or THOSE GUYS.

Maybe both...

>>12908608
>my super special character DONOTSTEAL

>>12908655
You say that only until it's your super special idea that gets stolen. Your greentext does not destroy a valid ppoint.

>>12908652

I say it's the lolis' fault for letting the trolls place their anti-aircraft ordnance right on top of the hospital.

Hey OP,

Been there, done that. It sucks.

Not every group is meant for your style of play. Learn this, and if you cannot have fun with a style of play your group excels at, then find another group. Saves headache and heartache all around.

Its not about dumb/smart players. Its just about play style. They want to kick in the door and get them some bad guys. What they were doing was leveling some not-so-subtle hints that this is what they wanted. You ignored them, and everyone suffered.

If you don't have fun, and they don't have fun, what's the point? You and they are both there to have fun.

Francis hates Ayn Rand, why don't you?

>>12908699
Because some of her points about ethics make a fair bit of sense and I've never really bothered to read her fiction. So I don't really have much basis to hate her.

>>12908242

There is no internet drama if you keep in mind that this is the internet, and act accordingly.

People who act like people being wrong (or simply holding a different opinion) on the internet means its go time are the actual cancer. Forcing anon would just be a sloppy band aid on the problem.

And if you don't like it I'll write in my internet journal about how wrong you are.

>>12908699
...The only thing Francis doesn't hate is Vests.

I do not disagree with him on this.

Everyone shut the fuck up, this is ridiculous.

>>12908730
>And if you don't like it I'll write in my internet journal about how wrong you are.

Ha ha! Joke's on you. Most of /tg/ think's you're objectively stupid.

>decent thread
>devolves into trip-fag hate
>check to make sure I'm not in /k/
>see that I'm in /tg/
wtf?

>>12908718

Her fiction is quite good. Some people don't like it but the vast majority of people who have actually read it tend to like it, even if they don't get / don't agree with the philosophical undertones.

We The Living is great if you want a semi-biographical account of how Red Russia was after the revolution, as Rand drew heavily from her personal experiences in writing that.

>>12908747

People I don't know don't like me.

Time to slit my wrists.

Fuck it. I'm reporting this thread, who's with me?

>Friend Dming a game.
>Plays to win, not to DM
>Gets butthurt every time we come on top of his challenges and sets up all of our BBEG's or encounters as IMPOSSIBLY AWESOME UNSTOPPABLE FORCES no matter what we do or how much we try.

If I hear the words "You do know...." every time we're successful I'm throwing him out a window.

>>12908411
Every fucking thread the guy posts in ends up in confused shit like this.

Now isn't that in and off itself enough to hate the faggot? Also, reposting this for truth:
Can people just stop tripfagging already? You're fucking up the whole idea behind 4chan. And no, before you have to spout it like a mindless child, this has nothing to do with "legion".

Anonymity is the only reason 4chan is good. It's the only reason we're any fucking different from any old shitty forum.

Anonymity ensures that there can be no lasting internet drama, because the guy I just called a stupid faggot might as well be the guy I'm not commending for his good ideas on another subject. I have no preconceived ideas of the people I talk to. So we can skip all the shit and get down to business.

And you're actively shitting on all that. I've just demonstrated why you all are the cancer. For no other gain than personal internet fame. That doesn't ultimately mean fucking shit. There is no other reason to tripfag across threads than for shitty egoistic reasons.

I dare you to argue sensibly with me. Come on, I double fucking dare you. Except it's not possible. There isn't a single coherent fucking argument for why you want to attach an identifier to yourself on 4chan.

OP here.

>Come back to share what I've planned for the "Trial of the Century" regarding my PCs
>See how far the thread has fallen

Fuck it; I'll post another time.

>>12908798
"You do know......".....what? What would you expect him to say after that?

>>12908579
>>12908811

>>12908242
Saved in a .txt file and reposting

>Can people just stop tripfagging already? You're fucking up the whole idea behind 4chan. And no, before you have to spout it like a mindless child, this has nothing to do with "legion".

>Anonymity is the only reason 4chan is good. It's the only reason we're any fucking different from any old shitty forum.

>Anonymity ensures that there can be no lasting internet drama, because the guy I just called a stupid faggot might as well be the guy I'm not commending for his good ideas on another subject. I have no preconceived ideas of the people I talk to. So we can skip all the shit and get down to business.

>And you're actively shitting on all that. I've just demonstrated why you all are the cancer. For no other gain than personal internet fame. That doesn't ultimately mean fucking shit. There is no other reason to tripfag across threads than for shitty egoistic reasons.

>I dare you to argue sensibly with me. Come on, I double fucking dare you. Except it's not possible. There isn't a single coherent fucking argument for why you want to attach an identifier to yourself on 4chan.

>>12908847
Same. I made this argument long ago, but this guy puts it better. Fuck tripfags, fuck namefags. That is not what /tg/ or 4chan is about. Plenty of forums out there for it.

/tg/ is about 40k. *trollface*

>>12908811
>>12908811
>implying anon didn't start shit

Everything was going fine until >>12907308 decided to take up his personal vendetta against GNB in the thread.

>>12908835
If you have to name/tripfag not to shitpost then you need to get the fuck out.

>>12908820
Usually something to fuck him over.
We were knocked out by pirates to be sold to a city with no rolls to see if we dodge or not get knocked out by a pirate. We escaped from our captivity while still on the ocean and entered a room where they were holding out equipment, but before we got our shit ready to fucking destroy them he said "....You do know there was a pirate following you." and then knocked us out again. Even though he never said that there was a guard in the fucking one room prison. When we were doing good in some arena, he suddenly broke out with a zombie apocalypse. I said "We should get help." in which case he goes. "...You do know everyone in the city is a zombie now.." I ask how the zombies escaped the arena thats surrounded by a fucking army, he retorts with "...You do know everyone in the city was in the arena?...".
He makes shit up as he goes so he can constantly rail road us in some bullshit direction.
"You do know that the dwarf can survive a meteor right?"
"You do know they don't like Nathan because he's human right?"
"You do know that the kobold is much more powerful than all of you right?"
"You do know"
You do know
NO I DON'T FUCKING KNOW!

Anonymity is what makes 4chan a shithole. It's the reason that 4chan is regarded as the asshole of the internet and it's the reason that there is nothing but nonstop trolling on 4chan. You don't see this crap on ENworld, or TGD, or even the fucking WotC forums.

>>12908894
Why is this man your friend again?

>>12908847
They're being attention whores, but it's the whiners that give them all the attention. If they're not straight-up trolling like Zhaku and his many alter-egos, then bitching about them is worse than what they do.

tl;dr: if you're going to demand someone have self-control, you ought to have some first.

>>12908884
As was his duty as Anon. He will be remembered as a martyr.

>>12908579
/tg/'s best posters are generally anonymous or one-shot name/tripfags(see: the many forms of Weaver). The only reason you consider regular name/tripfags to be /tg/'s best posters is because when they say something worthwhile, it sticks out more in your memory.

I'm not one of the OMFG TRIPFAG SCUM people, for the record. I defend tripfaggotry just as often as I criticize it.

>>12908934
Maybe it's not meiner responsabilitat that they behave maturely? It's their fault in the first place for creating the reason of the argument. I'm not sure, but I do believe it is has always been looked down upon to tripfag and namefag, ever since the inception of this board.

Please, do explain why the people who are acting acording to the rules and not egotriping are at fault over the people breaking them? Because you're not making much sense right now.

>>12908982

If it was "against the rules" to tripfag, you wouldn't be able to.

There are two options for a reason. If you prefer to stay anon, that's fine. If someone prefers to trip, here's the perfect strategy to beat their attention whoring: ignore that they have a name.

>>12908982
>acording to the rules
What rules?

>>12908916
He's a cool guy, he's just a terrible DM, but he wanted to DM something fierce so we let him. The problem is he doesn't grasp the fact that the player characters lived in that world as well, he see's his planet of hats as awesome heroic types while we're outsiders who are just there to ruin their awesomeness. At our current stage and probably even later levels, dwarfs are downright impossible to hurt because of some catastrophe that made the survivors plot armor incarnate. Every dwarf we ever met punched us through walls for no reason and dodged or parried our attack with a stuck up scoff before knocking us out or down right destroying us without even a roll. We can't even avoid fighting them because they attack us simply because they feel like it just so my DM can prove how awesome and invincible they are.

>>12908608

I get where you're coming from, but even if GNB had contributed something good (and I don't recall him ever doing so), there's really no reason to post a picture of yourself here.
Why? The same reason it's inappropriate to expose yourself in public. It's a cultural (or in this case, subcultural) more that he's violating, which is disturbing everyone else.

>>12908982
Actually. The scorn that tripfags receive is a fairly recent thing, having migrated from /b/. In the beginning of /tg/, our tripfags were rather well liked. Dagda and Redblack Spiderman come straight to mind as tripfags that contributed extensively to this board and were well liked by most of the posters on /tg/.

>>12908988
But then they continue to do it... so... what's the point there then? And it's kinda hard not to form an opinion about a tripfag because, ya know... you can remember everything they said in the past.

And as you see, ignoring people like GNB didn't work in the past, and confronting them doesn't seem to work either... so what? All we can do is bitch enough till some resolution is found. Ignoring them is... that's the cowards way out and doesn't solve shit. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

>>12909005
A dwarfaboo gone horribly wrong? What a tragedy...

>>12909033
Golden neckbeard has contributed download links and a good amount of advice in the past. One odd quirk of his posting hardly makes him a shitty poster. Certainly better than the anonymous that go around starting edition war threads or badmouthing games they don't like just to be shits.

>>12909005
Pretty sure that was a purely rhethorical question aimed to make yourself question as to why you let his stupid shit continue rather than jsut call bullshit and tell him he either stops that shit or stops DMing forever

>>12909036

When the problem is your attitude then ignoring the problem does make it go away.

>>12909048
Sup GoldenBeard.
>Golden neckbeard has contributed download links
WUT IS /rs/!?!?!?!?

>>12909034
I've always campaigned against tripfags, it jusn't didn't used to be such a problem a while back. Then I didn't go on for the summer, I get back to posting here around september and... what the flying fuck happened? Half the posts are from namefags, there's a janitor... what. The. Fuck. Happened.

>>12908982
Because one egotripping post is preferable to three "bawww tripfags" posts.

It's like when someone posts ">>>/v/" in a /tg/-related vidya thread, and five people come out to rage at him. The ">>>/v/" guy is a jerk, but if people learned some self-control there'd only be one shitpost instead of six of them.

It's made all the worse by the fact that raging and bawwwing aren't going to change anything.

>>12909036
Yes, because shitting up the board with non-stop whining is CLEARLY the solution. In the course of this thread, you've created more shitposts than Jim Profit created in his entire time of being on /tg/.

>>12909034
>The scorn that tripfags receive is a fairly recent thing
Look if you just came here a few days ago or so then you should just shut up and let the big boys talk. There is not a single day in 4chan history where they have not been universally reviled.

>>12909064
>ignoring that GNB also helps other fa/tg/uys and his input is generally appreciated.
Please troll harder next time. I'm sure you can do it if you really try.

>>12909066
So you've always been a whiny bitch who makes it his personal mission to shit up /tg/ with his opinion? No wonder you don't go with a name, you'd be called out for the idiot you are pretty routinely.

>>12909048
yet you don't know if that anonymous that just started an edition war isn't the same one helping you with your Call of Cthulhu or 40k list, because, ya know, he's anon.

Any accusations leveled at Anonymous posters are silly because you can't prove shit. What has been proven by namefags is that half of them are the worst trolls around, and the other half would be doing just as well as Anon.

>>12909080
I've been on /tg/ since before Love Can Bloom. I know what I talk about.

>>12909050
Because we're hoping he gets better.
We've started to call out his bullshit in the last campaign and it seems to be sticking, all we need to do now is fix the planet of hats we're currently on.

>>12909036
It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't make it one. If anything's cowardly, it's lacking the testicular fortitude to control your emotions.

>>12909085
Maybe because when you do that, 10 other anonymous posters do exactly the same.

>>12909075
How the fuck would you know? I've only posted about 5 times in this thread. I'm on ?int/ trolling neo-nazis.

>>12909091
You still haven't addressed the fact that 4chan is an utter shithole. Compare /tg/ to any number of noteworthy gaming forums. You wont find even close to half the bullshit, shitposting and trolling on those forums that you'll find on ANY board of 4chan. The reason for this is simple: anonymous posters don't have responsibility to their names.

A name is much like a lock. It wont stop someone really determined to be a piece of shit from being a piece of shit, but it will keep honest individuals honest.

>>12909092
You don't recognise tripfag hate so clearly you do not know what you are talking about.

>>12908242
Just for the sake of argument, how would 4chan be any better without trips? In fact, I submit the opposite argument.

Without names and complete anonymity, people tend to act like complete assholes to one another. Sure, it prevents lasting drama, but it doesn't change the fact that we have to deal with this crap every day, multiple times a day, in every thread and even some threads purely made to troll.

Banning doesn't really work so much either. Since there isn't really a way to track who posts what, and even the mods have their hands full.

And then we have the spam. Which verification has helped to reduce, though not eliminate. Since people who wish to spam the hell out of threads or boards can still do so, albeit with slightly more effort.

There are other issues as well, such as not being able to contact people you enjoyed talking with or seeing their threads.

Heres a condensed version of what I just said: Forums aren't perfect, but at least due to names they help you identify trolls and assholes easier, as well as often get people banned since they're responsible for what they post. Which is waaay better than all the trolling crap we have right now.

>>12909108
Yeah, sure.

>>12909110
I'm not on either side of this issue, but if they're so great, then just go to those forums, dude.

Don't order a hamburger and complain that's there beef in it.

>>12909110
So basically your argument is that 4chan sucks and nobody should browse it because its so bad? Why are you still here again? Nobody wants you here.

4chan has always been this way, this is the people who come here, a name or tripcode will not change this because the culture is like this. It would only make the trolling less subtle and more dull to read.

>>12905865
> They're trying to have fun.

This.

OP, you and the players obviously don't want to play the same game.

>>12909110
But, in my opinion, moderated forums are just fucking shit. You can't express your opinion, everything has to be politically correct, no disagreeing with this or that mod...

No fuck you, I'll take /tg/'s shitposts together with the good stuff. Even /b/ has it's moments. Occasionaly. Rarely.

And if you didn't like 4chan, you wouldn't be here, would you? So it works. Or are you just so masochistic you like being in this "shithole"?

>>12909133
I come here for the express purpose of consequence free trolling. I suspect it's the exact same reason you come here.

>>12909134
If you have a problem with my presence, you can feel free to make me leave.

>>12909120
If you like forums with identities so much maybe you shouldn't be here. Just a thought.

>>12909144
There are plenty of good forums where you can express your opinion. What you can't do is act like a massive dicknose with a chip off his shoulder, like a childish such as yourself would.

>>12909148
If you don't like imageboards with the option of taking on a name, maybe you shouldn't be here.

>>12909147
>If you have a problem with my presence, you can feel free to make me leave.
So your argument went from THIS PLACE SUCKS I SHOULDNT BE HERE to MAKE ME LEAVE

Do you even read your own posts?

>I come here for the express purpose of consequence free trolling.
Oh wait, nevermind. The only reason you are here is to shitpost and you're cereering for everyone to be identifiable so they cant. If you werent jsut full on trolling then I wouldnt even know where to start with you.

>>12909155
There are imageboards with cultures where taking up a name is normal. The culture behind this imageboard is to remain anonymous.

Then again you're just mindlessly trolling, aren't you GoldenBeard?

>>12909151
Both. Much like Friend Janitor, forum moderation can be influenced by personal bias. Combined with the peer-pressure of a fully identified community, forum moderation tends to cut away some of the good with the bad.

>>12909151
>assuming I act on any decent forum like I would on 4chan

Yeah... No, I used to go on forums before i heard of 4chan, Black Library forums, Relic's forums, ASN, many other things.

When I found 4chan I found it... liberating to have no mods, no identities. I expect many Anons feel the same. So fuck you, I don't need 4chan morphing into some regular as forum. A forum can be good, it's always going to be more restrictive and impermissive than 4chan.

>>12909162
I didn't say I shouldn't be here. I said that 4chan is a shithole and regarded as the asshole of the internet. This is pure undeniable fact. Compare the number of troll theads /tg/ experiences to the number of troll threads you see on EN world as a daily basis. On top of that, I'm not demanding anyone have an identity: I'm simply pointing out that your opinions are both moronic and demonstrably wrong.

As to the trolling: 4chan is a shithole. Shitholes exist for the express purpose of being shat in. I see no need to regard 4chan as anything other than a place to spray feces around for the sheer cathartic pleasure of it.

>>12909147
>"Make me" faggotry

Here's a better idea, chucklefuck: can you start posting with a tripcode? I would love to never have to experience your posts again

>mfw reading this thread

>>12909172
moot's a tripfriend.
He could make his posts adequately known without using a tripcode by dint of making it a sticky or equivalent post.

>>12909172
The culture behind this imageboard is clearly to have a mixture of both named and unnamed posters. This is not YOUR 4chan. Unless you truly believe that you have a better idea of how 4chan should conduct itself than Moot (you know, the guy who founded the place and has kept the option to have a name and tripcode pretty much the entire time).

>>12909185
No, I think I'll pass. I come to a toilet to shit, not treat it with respect.

>>12909183
You still haven't come up with a single argument pertaining the fact that any of my opinions are wrong. You are just perpetually stating that this place is a shithole and that "anonymity is the source of all evils". You have nothing to back this up with, GoldenBeard.

>>12909172
Neutralfag here. You failed your reading comprehension check.

His point is that 4chan allows name and tripfaggotry, and moot has endorsed it. If this is problematic for you, then perhaps 4chan is not the place for you.

tl;dr: everyone needs to stfu and hug it out.

I'd post an image about how much rage this thread makes me feel, but OP pretty much beat me to the punch.

>>12909183
Nope, you are confusing /b/ with the rest of 4chan. Some (very few) boards are actualy somewhat good. And 4chan produces some pretty good content and memes from time to time. And many discusions here are far better than I have seen on a good many other Fora.

I prefer being in a shithole and have fun than sip tea in a perfectly beautifull mansion, but get lashed at as soon as I turn my pinky wrong.

>>12909209
It's a well known fact that anonymity plus an audience equals a massive dickface. This has been proven in many environments and has indeed been the subject of many social experiments. When you take away the consequences of acting in a certain manner, people become far more likely to act in that manner.

Now, 4chan is posted on primarily by anonymous individuals. It is one of the absolute worst boards on the internet for non-stop trolling and faggotry. Many forums require that you take on an identity, the trolling and faggotry in these places is FAR less than it is on 4chan. These two facts are highly related.

>>12909191
Your point behind moot taking up a tripcode? He's the goddamn owner of the site and his is needed to identify him when he posts in important threads. Other than those threads he has stated multiple times that he posts anonymously. He did so around 3 times in the last thread (remember the red text with the link to an archived thread some weeks back? that's it.)

You have no argument.

>>12909183
>I didn't say I shouldn't be here.
I'll say it, then. You shouldn't be here.
>I said that 4chan is a shithole and regarded as the asshole of the internet.
Do ho ho.
>This is pure undeniable fact.
You misspelled "opinion".
>Compare the number of troll theads /tg/ experiences to the number of troll threads you see on EN world as a daily basis.
Compare the number of jet crashes in Murmansk to the number of jet crashes in Des Moines. This proves air travel is something something something.
>On top of that, I'm not demanding anyone have an identity: I'm simply pointing out that your opinions are both moronic and demonstrably wrong.
Likewise.
>As to the trolling: 4chan is a shithole. Shitholes exist for the express purpose of being shat in.
Ah. You seem lost, little girl. You're due over at Face/b/ook for the next rate-me thread. Post your feet in a Guy Fawkes mask for epic win!
>I see no need to regard 4chan as anything other than a place to spray feces around for the sheer cathartic pleasure of it.
This speaks volumes of your mindset.

>>12909226

>>12909238
That isn't this environment. You still have nothing to judge this board upon. The entire point behind 4chan is being anonymous. Look up any of moots interviews.

>>12909263
Yet oddly, Moot continues to allow tripfaggotry. It's a strange thing. It's almost like he fucking intends people to be able to take on an identity for whatever reason they prefer. It's almost like you're an impotent whiner who can't stand people liking things you don't like.

Well, I have more constructive things I could be doing. I'll continue to take pleasure from the fact that your opinions are utterly worthless and will make absolutely no impact on the direction of this board. Enjoy being the problem that's shitting this place up harder than any trip or avatar fag to ever exist.

>>12909278
He allows it because Moot is the fucking biggest troll ever. He created 4chan for the express purpose of his amusement and to troll the world.

So if you hate trolls, you hate moot.

I for one welcome our new Troll overlords.

>>12909278
Its about posting freedom with a non-identifier. He has never stated that he wants to enforce this. You have backed up into a corner of ad hominem (god i hate that word) and wild assumptions.

If you want to you can delete your post and I'll delete mine. We can do this from before you made that post if you have some better argument than namecalling.

>>12909293
>your opinion is wrong I'm right fuck you!
>no arguments

Cool story bro.

>>12909297
Moot created 4chan as an anime discussion board.

>>12909309
Psssh, that's what the trolls want you to think.

You're with them aren't you? You're one of them!

>>12909305
You don't understand what an ad hominem is. this pisses me off. An ad hominem is NOT an insult. "Here's why your opinion is wrong (insert argument here). Now that I've stated that, you're an idiot." is not an ad hominem. "Your opinions are worthless because you like to be spanked by overweight men" is an ad hominem. It doesn't use an argument and instead uses the nature of your character to support the statement despite the fact that it's utterly irrelevant. Fucking educate yourself.

>>12909229
Most boards, even the 'good' ones, have a large amount of trolls. This is mostly due to how popular the board is and the people it attract.

Mainly, at least from what I've seen, the boards who interest tend to apply to younger people, tend to be the ones with the highest ratio of Trolls to normal posters. Take /v/ for instance.

>>12909323
You really don't read your own posts. Amazing.

>>12909339
No, there was a clear argument there. That being that tripfagging is in line with 4chan culture because Moot (the guy who owns the damn site) allows and endorses it. The last statement was an insult that had little to do with that argument. You thin-skinned dolt.

>>12909323
An ad hominem is attacking the person you're argumenting with rather then his argument.

That's pretty insulting if you ask me. It's not necessarily an insult, but an insult can be an Ad Hominem. Such as: "you are gay, as a faggot you are not to talk about this subject"

>>12909354
No, that is not what an ad hominem is. It only becomes an ad hominem if you're using an attack on their character as an argument in and of itself.

>>12909349
Please explain the difference between
>"Your opinions are worthless because you like to be spanked by overweight men"
>"Your opinions are worthless because you're an impotent whiner who can't stand people liking things you don't like"
Btw gj on avoiding the actual post content. As expected from a self-admitted "i only use 4chan to troll" poster.

>>12909349
Moot does not endorse tripfaging. He tolerates it but he discourages it in a number of interviews. besides, I don't think moot cares very much about the whole issue, considering how rarely he comes here. I've only ever seen him in two threads in 3 years.

So I daresay he doesn't have enough experience to judge. That *is* indeed an opinion.

>>12909373
I didn't say anything about your opinions being worthless because you're an impotent whiner. I said that moot allows tripfaggotry and you're an impotent whiner because you can't do anything about it.

>>12909382
Yeah I said that a few times but as the troll he has himself admitted being he obviously ignored this.

If we make enough noise he will just scream "LINK!" which will show how little he knows about moot and 4chan in general.

Anyhow, I really do have to leave now. So continue to enjoy shitting up your favorite board because a handful of characters on a post offend you so. Surely bitching about this is a preferable alternative to actually discussing traditional games.

>>12909394
If you make enough noise, you'll just see some mass bannings which will likely include yourself.

>>12909386
Nope. That is not how it works. By attacking a person you're arguing with you are devaluing him instead of his argument which is by your standards indeed an ad hominem.

Checkmate.

>>12909386
We are "whining" because of the fact that we are impotent to do anything. If we wish something to change, we have to make a higher authority be aware.

Alternative would be imense trolling while posing as tripfags and DDS attacks. Would you prefer that?

>>12909404
Proxies? Never heard of 'em? ah...

Janitor's asleep anyway. Lazy faggot.

>>12909422
>I do not enjoy the food at this diner. I must take a dump in the fryer to show that.
Or ... you could go somewhere else.
Your presence is not required.

>>12909433
Careful, guys. He's behind seven proxies. Eh is a strong poster who doesnt afraid of anything.

>>12909446
So could you since you hate anonymity.

>>12909458
If there was a way to prove you left, I'd do likewise, to save the headache and hassle of even one fewer shitposter like yourself. If you're not happy, bail.

>He doesn't agree with me; his enemy status is now confirmed
Then again, thanks to being anonymous, I could easily take your side in my next post. You will never know.

>>12909446
To follow in your analogy: I was here before the Diner's management changed and it became a KFC. The food's gotten worse, the atending public became more varied and uninterested in the prevalent culture that used to exist in the Diner and all the newguys think they own the place.

So... yeah, I'd like to see some changes, kind of to before all the summerfags invaded and brought the tripfiends and namefags with them.

>>12909476
wut? I was just applying your logic to my own post. I think you might be a little mad.

>>12909476
And that, is the best part of 4chan. It's true tolerance, because bias doesn't get a chance.

Except for those fucking namefags! %&^#^&*#_!!

>>12909478
>you have to respect my authority! I'm pretending to be an older, established personality! this is my magic beard and it will be worshiped until the end of days! progress means permissiveness! all things must be static!
You seem tired. Go lay down, gramps.

>>12909416
It's only devaluing him if it's not a fair assessment of his worth as a person.

>>12909526
I chuckled. Static is not good, but change for the sake of Tzeentch is no good either. I wish we could go back to ye olden days, when all was good unt shinny...

>>12909534
I chuckled while writing that. We're arguing over the internet about whether or not people should or shouldn't do what the creator of the site allows, but condemns in public forums. So, basically - we're both trolling and being trolled. Says a whole lot about the media in question, as well as its participants.

Good-natured /tg/ brofist, because love it or not, neither of us is going anywhere.

I don't mind /tg/ tripfags as much as I do /v/ tripfags.

Additionally, kill your players. That'll teach them.

Is this fucking thread still here? Why, /tg/?

>>12909571
4chan is trolls troling trolls. This is long established fact. I am just so tired of the namefaging and tripfagging... Oh well, next time GNB posts with a picture we'll have the same thread all over again anyway. So this discusion is ultimately pointless.

Life is just a series of Deja vus...

>>12909593
Because autosage takes too long too kick in. And because if /tg/ loves anything, it's insulting each other and shitposting.

>>12909611
Repetition is the nature of life

>>12909631
Aye, that is true. Now, enough politeness, let's get back to namecalling and saying you are wrong.

Faggot.

>>12909669
I'd continue arguing with you, but you left that guy (>>12909571) with the brofist hanging. Not cool, douchebag. Not cool.

This shit should be archived just to show that /tg/ takes everything, even trolls trolling trolls, to a brand new level.

>>12909678
I am not into the whole "bro" thing. Fucking fratboy attitude. I'll brofist him with a fucking powerfist. On his face. Fucking faggots, raping mah 4chan with yer retarded memes.

There is a reason tripcodes exist, but it has nothing to do with establishing "forum reputation". Tripcodes are there so that you can identify yourself WITHIN A THREAD if other posters have an interest in following your progress--say, for example, if you're a drawfag and you, specifically, are asked for advice based on your skills.

There is no point, none, in tripfagging for the purpose of "forum reputation" other than attention whoring. You say "BUT BUT BEING ANON MEANS YOU'RE NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE THINGS YOU SAY". That's true, but think of it this way. Any tripfag can "turn off" their tripcode at any time they want. For all you know, Golden Neckbeard could have posted fifteen edition warz threads, twelve elf slave wat do threads, and uploaded 2 gigs of furry porn. You would never know. Then, on the rare occasion that he had something constructive to say, all he has to do is turn the tripcode back on. We only see the posts he WANTS us to see. So he could easily delude us all into thinking that 100% of his posts are quality content, when the actual percentage could be, say, 1%.

>>12909750
>>12909750

Now you might say, this problem can be remedied by requiring EVERYONE to use a trip, at all times. But then you lose the numerous benefits of anonymity: In an anon board, you don't have to worry about e-drama. You don't have to worry about a fight in one thread staining the discussion in another thread. You can feel free to post creative content without having to worry about getting ridiculed. You can say that "normal" forums have less trolling than /tg/, but /tg/ is unquestionably better at Getting Shit Done. And I'm not entirely convinced that "normal" forums have less trolling at all. More likely, it only SEEMS that way because threads have an unlimited lifespan, whereas here, once a thread dies there is an interest in somebody resurrecting it. I'm a regular at the J.R.E.F. forums, and I can tell you the trolls we have there are just as bad, if not WORSE, than the ones we have here. You just don't notice it because they aren't starting new threads every single day.

>>12909750
GB is the one that's been posting about tripfagging being the best thing ever and anonymitet being the bane of all good things in heaven and earth.

>>12909754
You sir, are right, and I support every word you said as if it was my own. But what you said has already been said before... They will not listen to reason you see, they are all retards.

And there is nothing we can do...

OP here again.

I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE TRIPFAGS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WHINGE ABOUT THEM ARE SEVERAL ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE WORSE.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

LOOK WHAT YOU FUCKERS DID TO MY THREAD. LOOK AT IT.

YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK(*_PUHOPUIDHGIPEPUBVPUSEBVE USECNIESUBGYSBEVYESIBVIOYDFBV

10/10, WOULD RAGE AGAIN

>>12909750

thank you bill nye.

>>12909812
Post a new thread. Also, you are saging in a thread that's on autosage. Fucking fail.

>implying things on /tg/ stay on topic and never derail

you could have expected this. Not where it would derail to, but you could expect it would derail.

>people saying "GNB said this" and "GNB said that"
>GNB has posted a grand total of 3 times in this thread

wut

>>12909812
This post just made the entire thread worth it. Screencapped.

>>12909850
The Theory is that GNB is posting anonymously as the guy crusading for tripfags.

Also, previous threads.

>>12909812

That does it, this shit DEFINITELY needs to get archived now.

>>12909850
You can easily remove or re-add a tripcode to your posts. moot always posts anonymously unless its an important thread or a question he wants directly answered (also the reason mods dont post as MODERATOR all the time.)

Notice how he suddenly stops posting when the argument flared up, ONE other person comes into this thread and tries to defend tripfagging with all his might.

I haven't done so myself, but if anyone took the time to study it I'd dare guess they post in the exact same way.

Conclusion? Derp.

>>12909881
>one
Try again, chief.

>>12909812
If you post a thread on /tg/, you've got to expect some consequences

>>12909881
Conclusion? GNB is a coward, afraid to soil his "reputation". No worries, he's got a reputation for egotriping anyway.

>>12909894
Oh yeah, right. 1,5 people posted in defence of faggotry. The rest just complained about both sides.

>>12909911
Unlike we selfless anons, of course. Ego-free, one and all.

>>12909899
>If you post a thread on /tg/, you've got to expect some consequences
>you've got to expect some consequences
>consequences

...Well played, anon.

>>12909925
At least you can't prove it or hold me to it.

>>12909925
You can't have an ego when your identity doesn't exist. And if you ever take anyone who acts like that seriously then that is your own fault, not theirs.

>>12909952
..says the spineless loser.

>>12909952
What the hell? I'm anon and I have a huge ego and love to use it to shit on everyone else.

Besides, several anons here are recognizable by typing style.

pre-pare for unFoReseen con-sequen-ces

Successful /tg/ is successful

>>12909965
Loser? There are no winners or losers on 4chan my friend. Only Trolls. Trolls and sagefags.

Throwing in my two cents about effectively jailing players in D&D settings. Taking into account just how cruel of a place medieval settings can be, casters are usually the worst off. Being that overseers, slavers and gaolers might just torture them or whip them for the hell of it at any given time, getting your full night's sleep to regain your spells... Yeah, ain't happening.
Thieves and bards and other such classes with lock picking skills? Manacles do wonders to keep your hands from opening the locks. Then you need a bit more inventiveness to explain how you snuck a bobby pin onto your person.
Probably the worst to try to keep jailed? Barbarians. Everyone who plays barbarian has stupid high strength and then they rage and it just gets worse.

>>12909979
That's partially correct. Loser.

Tripfag drama here and an alt history thread over there where creepy anons measure each other for SS uniforms.

Did I take a wrong turn somewhere and blunder into /k/?

>>12909992
>on topic post

This is troll country, boy.

>>12909994
Nope, just your regular old 4chan. Nazi apologists, baby rape, gore threads, jokes, murder and rules discusion all over the place, as usual.

>>12909965
Imma fukken bop u nerd wanna have a go at it cmon show me where u liev!
>>12909966
well the thing is, people can change their writing style as much as they want to. their words, sentences, lines. it doesnt show that its the same person.

I'm a good example of that. I keep changing the way I write for every post I make and sometimes when I need to prove a point I can do it several times in one post. In fact, most posters post in a very non-identifiable way since 4chan has standards in how people write. leet speech being instantly rewarded with a "get the fuck out inhuman scum of the earth."

To suppose that any singular anonymous has an identifiable writing style is just a pretentious point of view which seems like a last ditch effort in a pro-tripfag argument. But lets not go back to that shall we old chap? We're much too good for such petty arguments.

Also this is a board where role playing takes a large prevalence. If people can't differ in writing styles then I'd sure hate to roleplay with them.

sage

>>12910021
But.... but...

It used to be better here.

Really! I'm not lying! I'm telling the truth!

Soylent green is people!

Whatever, I'ma go watch Star Trek. It's a time travel episode. Those are always fun. So long assholes.

>>12910033
Obviously.

>this thread

>>12910125

Doesn't quite reflect the duality of the argument.

>witicts replaced