So how bad are these fuckers honestly, I hear a lot of snuff about them, but they seem to have a loyal following for whatever reason, which I can only assume means they are still at least somewhat useful.

Bretonnia's the best. They're honorable enough not to NEED a new army book to profit.

And look at dat majesty.

>>12526363
Sounds good to me, brother, together we shall ride down the enemy in a glorious charge.

Best faction, are you even looking at your pic OP? LOOK AT THOSE FUCKERS.

Lawful good reporting in

Dat beauty

>>12526343
best at being dull as fuck, yes.

>>12526388
Feels good man.
Fantasy version of space marines reporting in.

>>12526420
Well, like, thats just your opinion man. You have the right too it though brah. Share your thoughts bro.

I liked our book better when we didn't treat our Peasants worse than the Vampire Counts treat their cattle.

Dey all jelly of my divine wrath against the foul night creatures

>>12526456
:[ feels bad man.
Thats a good point there.

>>12526460
Green is the color of a peasant.

>>12526456
But we treat them worst.
At least VC have waste magic into resurrecting them...

>>12526468
Peasants often pay for their own funerals.

The man who created the trebuchet was given a pig and some copper by the KING, the beacon of righteousness.

In fact the peasants are inbred almost mutated. It is pretty depressing how badly the peasants are treated.

>>12526470
Wut I dont even

/tg/ - Morals and ethics

Haha, jk. But you both raises good point. I wonder why that is, considering how they herp derp justice.

>>12526519
The Green Knight's choice in colors isn't based on his heraldry but rather the fey magics that have been infused within his being, fueled by the power of belief within Bretonnia.

Hopefully these guys will get a codex update and not suck so much. They look neat.

>>12526533
GW didn't think they were grim enough and decided they needed to grime them up. I can understand that, but they really went overboard. The peasants are subhuman, the ones we field in combat are the BEST of them. THE FUCKING BEST.

The rest are too twisted and malformed to properly arm or train.

>>12526540
So green is the power of magic.

have been a big fan since back in the days when they truly were pillars of honor and virtue, albeit with the occasional squabble between nobles.

>>12526556
no that would be octarine

aside from woodelves (and maybe even not then) the worst army in 8th edition. and i played them.

>>12526555
Fucking gamesworkshop

Bretonnia is cool, but I prefer the Skaven.

Brettonians....ugh. As a VC player even I'm somewhat disgusted by the Brettonian ideals of social justice. A Brett peasant is somewhere between a zombie and a crypt ghoul in dignity and quality of life.

I certainly find those 3-wide ranks of knights annoying as hell though. They may not be able to move anywhere but straight ahead, but at least they hit hard...sortof.

>>12526574
if you have any idea what you're doing you'll never lose a game against them.

So I think a cool unit for the Bretonnians in the next book would be a Knight accompanied by a loyal band of followers (squire, bard, Yeoman, etc) that fits into a rare choice as a Monster Slayer. A knight that just travels the lands to slay big monsters.

Heroic Killing Blow coming standard on the knights attacks, supporting abilities based on the retinue chosen to accompany him. Possibly access to magic items to represent his quests.

This would be a cool alternative to the Monsters every other army has, and would be a really cool set of models.

If only I could get a hold of GW.

>>12526566
Looks like they ruined what should have been the best army in the game. Knights,glorious knights, knights everywhere, magical knights, pegasus knights, all train from child for justice

>>12526582 A knight that just travels the lands to slay big monsters.
the knights-errant would like to have a word with you

>>12526583
yeah, no. no way could they be best.

magic- decent at best
shooting- LOL
war machines- only one. and it's a fucking rare choice.
special knights- expensive as fuck and generally die like bitches to range heavy armies.
every other knight- this is 8th edition. if your army isn't walking to the battle, you've already lost.

infantry- ha. hahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA literally the worst 5 pts you can spend in WFB

[spoiler] I only had enough money for one army, so i picked the one that looked god damn amazing, only to find out GW fucked everything and nerfed everything into the ground [/spoiler]

>>12526583
Glorious Knights of Justice are not for WF. However Knight just being Knights, which does involve a little dickery to the peasantry but the peasantry would still be better off than they are now. Regular realistic medieval land is still grimdark enough.

>>12526600
Knight Errants would be an excellent model to accompany the Monster Slayer. The point is this knight may have forsaken his honor or even after completing his quest he simply continued to hunt nothing but dragons and other monsters.

Knight Errants are the novices, these would be the professionals. The guy you called when your standard Knight of the Realm wasn't enough to get the job done.

I get that all Bretonnian Knights fight 'monsters' but I doubt we could give them all Heroic Killing blow.

Bretts are by no means the worst, but they are shadow of what they used to be pre-7th. 8th put a lot of hurdles in their way but they can still unleash hurt if you know what you're doing.

For me though, I'm just a sucker for Arthurian myth, and painting heraldry is pretty damn fun.

>>12526612
i love bretonnia, i'll never give up my knights, they'll always be my favorite, but i haven't taken them out of their case in a month. i don't even want to look at them when things are this bad for cavalry armies

what i want to know is:
WHO
THE
FUCK
decided it was cool to fuck over pegasus knights? they were literally the only thing we had going for us in 7th edition (oh flying circus, i miss you) and now they don't even get a rank bonus (meaning they can't deny enemy ranks)

what the fuck man
what the fuck

>>12526609
>herp i dont understand how abritary numbers work

>magic- decent at best
They could have made grail knights have powerful magic attacks, and uped all the rest so it could be on even ground with other armies.
>shooting- LOL
Again, they could just up the stats on the archers, and they could have given the knights an option to have a bow from horseback, like medieval times.
>war machines- only one. and it's a fucking rare choice.
again, they could have just made more than one. They could have used a god damn dragon if they wanted to use imagination.
>special knights- expensive as fuck and generally die like bitches to range heavy armies.
Almost every unit dies against range heavy armies
>every other knight- this is 8th edition. if your army isn't walking to the battle, you've already lost.
Sad face. but they should have already considered this before putting those rules in and nerfing an entire army based on calvary, what are you thinking GW?
>infantry- ha. hahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA literally the worst 5 pts you can spend in WFB

>>12526609
Men-at-Arms, while low in terms of WS, are not that bad. They come with Light Armor, Shields, Halberds/Spears all for 5 points, on top of this they all benefit from the Ld of nearby knights as if they were the General (6 inches).

In a 40 man block, they can be effective. In fact how most Bretonnians are winning now involves a large amount of Men-at-Arms with Halberds.

The real problem I have with this is this is how Empire plays with knights and their foot sloggers. If I wanted to play this way I'd play Empire and have cannons to boot.

Trebuchets are amazing though, they make the army viable. Run 2 for only 180 points and watch as they make their points up with ease.

>>12526663
are you familiar with warhammer at all? or bretonnia specifically?

>>12526627 Glorious Knights of Justice are not for WF.
and yet they were just fine for many editions until GW went all GRIMDARK EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME

>>12526663
Seriously, after all they did to make Calvary ineffective they had to add in how all Calvary take Difficult Terrain tests on anything that isn't open ground.

How does a Calvary Charge not benefit from Always Strike First? How does a Calvary Charge not break Steadfast the turn it charges?

At least they FAQ'd the Lance to break Steadfast.

>>12526687
i hear ya man. i don't know how they can justify this shit. it's basically all but written in the big red book

'horses suck balls, that is all.'

>>12526673
Yes and no, if you have something you think you should say just say it, as this thread is a good place to learn from. Ive never played an actual game of warhammer because i only have bretonnia and dont want to get my shit kicked everytime i play because someone in corporate didnt think anything out. Im all for a good challenge, but from what ive heard bret just got shafted.

>>12526676
Actually originally Bretonnia was GRIMDARK, basically the opposite of the Empire.

GW decided this was silly, and changed it to a very different tone. Basically think of every Bretonnian has being from Mousillan, twisted sick bastards.

Then they decided to mix in the Arthurian legends, which brightened them up immensely. Of course they tipped it back, just a bit too far is all I think.

>>12526676

Have you SEEN the Bretonnian fluff for WFRP 1E? Bretonnia has become LESS grimdark as time has gone on. Seriously.

>>12526661
Pegs were never really effective line units. You used them to attack war machines, gunlines, and skirmishers. 8th actually made pegs MORE powerful since they can charge using fly and tlos and they count as monstrous cave, meaning the pegs get stomp as well.

>>12526706
I should add ive played a shit ton of 40 k though, space marine and tau armies.

>>12526706
and hard bro. but don't give up heart, we'll get updated soon and then our foes shall learn fear!

one thing i thought would make the army much better: keep points on the knights the same, but make their attacks on the charge with lances work like impact hits. always hitting, with a chance to miss the wound.
i can't tell you how many times my knights have sucked it up on the charge and had the horses do better. fuck that.

Brets are actually pretty good, if you know what you're doing. Mid-tier, definitely. Cavalry is still good, but you just gotta run them in 10s and 15s (unless you houserule the stupid Lance omission away). Men-at-Arms are great for 5pts, and Trebuchets? Amazing for a mere 90pts. Peg Knights are still the best units in the book.

I mean, don't expect to win every game, but Brets are by far not the worst.

>>12526706
You can win with them. Don't let your opponent beat you before you deploy your army.

Take a Prophetess, level 4 Life. Cast Throne as soon as you can with as many dice as possible. If you Miscast you can disregard it on a 2+, which is amazing.

Life can really help the knights, giving them Toughness 7-8, and also heal wounds lost. Take the Banner of Chalons on at least one unit of knights to prevent Stand and Shoot reactions.

Virtues can be amazing, you can make good heroes for challenges. We get our BSB for free, and you can pull nasty tricks with the Banner of the Lady (100 points), which is HILARIOUS against Skaven.

It removes Rank Bonuses, which means their Strength in Numbers rule has no effect. They will still be Steadfast, but who cares.

Take 2 Trebuchets, all the time, always.

And Men-at-Arms are important. They will hold units in place while your knights take flanks. Your knights are tough, but try to always get flanks with them.

>>12526719
yeah, but i wasn't saying as using them as line units. using them to back up a combat from the side or rear used to be super effective because they'd deny enemy ranks in addition to charge bonuses. now they dont deny ranks.

oh and yeah, 3~4 S4 stomp attacks at end of combat is not that big a deal.

>>12526745
Then why does everyone say theyre the worst?
oh and fucking question while im here.
Men at arms, what weapons can they have? I hear people want WYSIWYG models, so im trying to figure out what to give them. Can they only use haliberds? If I have a man at arms holding a sword but hes in a group of haliberds can he count as having a halibard? confusion, confusion everywhere.

>>12526745
No need to house rule, new FAQ like a week ago fixed Lance. It now Disrupts and counts in every way toward Steadfast and breaking it. Basically wherever it says 5 models across, Bretonnians use 3.

>>12526759
the sword is used to mark him out as the champion of the unit. he is equipped with the same weapon as the rest of the regiment.

it's just a memory aide

>>12526761
link to new pdf? i'm having a hard time finding the damn thing

>>12526761
Cool. Brets are even better now.

>>12526759
Why do people hate 4e?
Why do people get butthurt when they are wrong?
Why do people respond to troll threads?

People are dumb.

>>12526759
Majority of the unit is what they use. So if a few have differing weapons, that's okay. Usually the unit Champion will have an alternate weapon.

They all come with Light Armor, Shields, Halberds, and Hand Weapons (pretty much meaningless now). You can replace the Halberds with Spears for no points.

>helping rampourr
Yes, Captcha. That is exactly the case.

>>12526767
I see. thanks. So what about my units of knights of the realm and knights errant? I notice when i assembled them "for fun" I just gave them whatever. Some have lances, and others have swords. Is this bad? I also notice you can have a musican, what is the point of this? can i just say one guy is a musican even if hes clearly holding a spear? I should just re read the rulebook or something online. I dont have it anymore.

>>12526748
When the majority of the stuff you're supposed to hit them with averages around T3, that stomp is a fucking godsend. And again pegs are still ridiculously good. You just have to change up how you use them.

>>12526773
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1440035a_FAQ_BretonniaV1_2.pdf

Bretonnian bros, general. Help, and bros, Help and bros everywhere.

>>12526794
mmmmm, not at all man. i understand what you're saying, but the majority of opponents will be T4. and they only get to make those attacks if they're alive, which is a constant problem with those models

>>12526796
thanks dude!
anonymous delivers yet again

>>12526789
You'll have to model one as a Musician. They give you the bits to usually make 2 Standard Bearers and 2 Musicians in each box. Just buy another box and assemble an extra Musician. Also remember that Knight Errants are different from Knights of the Realm.

Musicians give you a chance to reform for free each turn (amazing) and when you tie combat, if your opponent has no Musician, you win combat.

I wouldn't say that Bretonia is in any danger of being the worst faction as far as potential battlefield performance in 8th is concerned, just the repulsive worst stereotypes of knightly feudalism that their lore represents.

Worst tactical performance is probably still reserved for the Wood Elves or desperately-in-need-of-update Tomb Kings.

Or maybe I just really like watching Bretonian peasants disintegrate to Banshee screams or be eaten by the dozens by Varghulfs while their big cavalry units spend their movement wheeling.

As a Goblin Warlord, I feel sorry for Bret players.

I have yet to not table one in 7th or 8th edition.

Massed Fanatics + cheap and now highly accurate war machines + disgustingly effective magic and magic items + LOL IMPACT HITS completey destroy Brets.

>>12526825
Confirmed for a Cold motherfucker

>>12526822
Ah, i see. Yeah, i made these models as a teenager a few years ago, and back then was like, why would I give this guy a stupid horn, when he could have this awesome spear...? I thought I was real clever. :p

>>12526804
You should be taking flanks with your P Knights, and only if you have a supporting charge from the front, preferably of Men at Arms who will have a shit load of ranks. As your P-Knights no longer have ranks, they can't disrupt a regiment on their own.

However, they give you the bonus resolution, and you can't take supporting attacks against a Flank charge. This limits their attacks against your P-Knights, letting them add more to combat resolution.

What sucks is despite having Hand weapons and shields, your Men-At-Arms can't choose to use them at the start of a combat, and MUST use their Spears or Halberds, always.

Otherwise they would get the the ever amazing 6+ parry save.

goblins and orks are better tacticians and grand strategists than bretonians, who just rush forward and krump things

>>12526850
Would it be ignorant for me to assume in most games there isnt any combat in the first turn anyway? I might just play on a bigger table than other people. :l Then again, i play 40k so maybe its different in fantasy, with bats and shit flying out of everyones ass across the battlefield

>>12526850
man, i don't know about the rest of you knights, but the parry save pisses me off. when the blessing of the lady was first introduced, people were shitting themselves over our ward save. now EVERYBODY can get one pretty much. and, their's aren't even factored in to the cost of their models, and can be combined with other ward saves.

and i especially love how it's written that cavalry can't use it...

>>12526825
Yeah as a Bret player and a VC player, I must say I wipe the field clean with my VC. The Brets are much harder to play with, but not helpless. They require more finesse, and preferably decent luck with magic.

As for Wood Elves, the best list I could come up with with my friend was mass Spirits. They can add like 5-6 Dispel Dice a turn, which they need as their magic is WORTHLESS. Magic items are terrible as well. Just terrible. Basically they require a very good strategy, and even then they are not optimal.

Wood Elves need a book more than Tomb Kings/Ogre Kingdoms/Bretonnians, but I'd rather see an Ogre Kingdom and Bretonnian book.

>>12526886
>CALVARY
>CALVARY
>CALVARY
>looks at my brettonian calvary heavy army
THATS IT, NOPE NOPE NOPE, IM DONE, GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER

>>12526878
for you as a bret, going second in first turn is where you'll win or lose.

that turn you should be in charge range with your knights, and if you run into the enemy and break a couple, you'll probably win. if you don't? well, those next five turns might be long

>>12526900
wait wat?

>>12526878

1st turn is maneuvering, casting magic that might devastate the other guy, some artillery fires (or not, because they deployed to avoid it)

2nd turn is somebody trying to charge in, an eagle comes to rape some cannon guys, some arrows are fired.

3rd 4th etc. is guys losing combat, running, gettin flank charged

and magic is usually being cast every turn this whole time. a mage duel is like two spectral penises trying to fuck an ass while blocking its own butthole.

>>12526904
Op here, I now realize warhammer fantasy is not to be trifled with. I might just stick to painting these things with intricate detail and never playing them. ever.

>>12526925
oh no man, you get out and play. it's funner than a motherfucker, but can sometimes be frustrating.

think XCOM

>>12526886
Well our Grail Relique can use it... oh I can't keep a straight face. Never use this piece of shit. Ever.

Yes, hopefully there is something more to the Blessing in our next book. However, it should be noted it is often worth taking the Banner of Defense to increase the Ward Save to 4+ against missiles.
>>12526874
Well you would need more strategy when your army is useless 1/6 of the time without sufficient Chariots/Black Orcs.

Still, Bretonnians really can't win charging straight forward. We need to play very safe, making perfect movements. With charges much more random now, this becomes more difficult. We always needed the charge, but if we miss it we are really in a sticky situation.

>>12526940
yeah, i used to love the banner of defense... until i figured out it's only against strength 5 or higher, and only for missiles :/

fucking handgunners.....

>>12526904
Actually Bretonnians very rarely take the first turn, so I'd say you're wrong. We give that up for the Blessing.

Getting the Charge off is very important though. With the right set up a unit of Knights Errant can charge 26 inches in a turn. GLORIOUS

>>12526967
If you even think you're facing Skaven take it. Fuck Warpfire throwers.

>>12526934
Like i said, im all for a challenge, just afraid ill lose every game i play and look like a chump. Your talking to someone who played ninja gaiden 1 on the xbox as a 7th grader and got used to dying 50 times on a single boss before progressing, and that was only after i learned i could get my shit kicked by the easiest enemies in the game. :l Thanks for the support though. Bro's, bro's everywhere.

>>12526967
no, not first turn
going SECOND in the first turn of play
first out of six turns
i should have worded that better

FOR BRETBRONIA

a couple things i'd like to spitball about with you guys

someone mentioned charging knights attacking with their lances like impact hits from a chariot. i like this, i like this idea a lot. knights spend most of their time practising pinpoint accuracy with their lances from horseback in bretonnia, so this makes sense fluffily too.

second: let's talk dice. do you think as i do that 3d6 additively rather than 'drop lowest' is neither game breaking or unfair?
i mean, if you're worried about cav being too fast, why include them in the game in the first place? that's one of the reasons why real life cavalry armies were so effective: speed

>>12527032
I like you kid, stick with me and well hit the big time in no time.

honestly guys? this might just be the best thread /tg/ has had all day

>>12527032
Games Workshop is notorious for going too far in either direction. They alternate between books usually. One book is too strong, so the next book they put out is too weak.

In this case, Calvary charges were too powerful in 7th. So now in 8th they:
Suffer from hitting in Initiative Order
Step up
Anything but open terrain
Parry
Distance moved compared to Foot sloggers
True LOS
Steadfast

I don't think I missed any. They still work, but in a very different role than before. They will need to do something special with the next Bretonnian book if they want an all calvary army to work.

Okay, I'm done for now. Going to go play someone's Daemon army to show them how to run it.

Feels like I need to teach everyone I play with how to run their armies.

>>12527085
right? i'm kind of relegated to that role in my communities. i'm one of the people who bought the big red book (totally worth every penny by the way, just don't read the daemons section while high) and i'm constantly teaching about rules changes or definitions etc

>>12527085
They should just stick with a general concept and make small changes to help guide it in that direction if they feel the need, not gut it and make every army feel like shit tier or god tier back and forth every few months or years without reaching any goal.Just my idea. I also have a theory they nerf the the leas popular factions to appeal to the main money makers so people buy more of those sets.

We may suck but at least we look nice on a shelf collecting dust.

All my men at arms have empire knight heads. IDGAF.

>>12527168
You should post some pictures sometime, that sounds interesting if you did it right, but id think it would look silly if the head was to big.

>>12527168
holy SHIT that picture is sexy

>>12527182
i might have some more but its all from various artists. glad you like it.

Thats all i have right now, sorry bro. Im sure theres a lot more bretonnian art floating around out there, i just swiped all the good ones off of deviant art for the thread to entertain people.

If OP was interested in balance/rules issues, I wanted to say my experience with them in 8th has been that they are pretty good, actually.

Yes, cavalry got nerfed, but Bretonnians have the lance formation; this is huge because they're the only heavy cav in the game who can easily get full rank bonus, which means:

-Opposing units aren't guaranteed to get Steadfast against them; and
-They can negate ranks with a flank charge even if they take a few casualties.

They can also take Lore of Life, arguably the best rulebook Lore, and the trebuchet is just fucking insane now--probably the best war machine in the game--as are Pegasus Knights (though, of course, you can't generally charge blocks of infantry with them, but this was always so).

Just make sure that you take at least one decent-sized block of Men-at-Arms (40-50, Horde) and the army works very well.

Have a wallpaper.

>>12527330
>>12527330

>>12527340
What in gods name is that anon?

Op here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the couched lance was meant to be braced against the armpit - pic related

>>12527383
Glorious BROTHER.

>>12527396
That would be being sensible, in the Warhammer universe.

>>12527396
get out

>>12527416
oh this is Warhammer, never mind then. I just saw the pretty pictures and then got confused

>>12527423
10/10 post

>>12527432
But yeah, there's a bunch of pictures involving Brets with properly couched lances in their codex, it's probably a sculpting nightmare to get the lances looking good couched in.

>>12527454
but i just did it in 5 seconds in paint.
*troll face*

/tg/- bretonnian bros and ridiculous drawfaggotry

>>12527481
>/tg/: Bro-tonnia

I fixed that for you.

>>12526375
>>12527168
>>12527182

Wow, not only seeing my own drawings on /tg/ for the first time, but it's also praised. Thanks.

Keep up with the Brets people. It's nice to see that WFB nowadays is not only about high elves - as GW is trying to suggest lately.

>>12527454

It could be done, but it would be almost impossible to have the arm holding the lance as a separate bit, then. And I believe this is a problem because a body connected to an arm *and* a long-ass lance would be really hard to fit on a plastic sprue.

>>forich Brett
Captcha is scaring me. It knows what we're talking about.

>>12527498
NIGGER DICKS I FUCKING LIKE THE SOUND OF THAT SHIT GOD DAMN FUCKING BROTONNIA FUCKING CHANGE THAT CODEX RIGHT NOW.

>>12527512
>Codex

>>12527506
A drawfag challenger has appeared, do you think your art can stand up to my ms paint?

>>12527529
FUCKING GOD DAMN I LOVE IT CHANGE THE CODEC RIGHT NOW

>>12527555
FUCKING DAMN GOD I LOVE IT CHANGE RIGHT THE NOW CODEC

DON'T LANCE ME BRO

Huh, after reading this thread, I kind of want to try WFB for the first time. I've been dissuaded from 40k by the cost and the general retardation of the playerbase but you guys seem cooler. Is WFB any cheaper to get started with?

Could one paint up an army of Bretonnians as a house from A Song of Ice and Fire without breaking any actual game rules? That might actually get me to drop some money on little plastic men.

>>12527542

My paint-fu is stronger than yours.

I was bored. And i liked your picture. sue me.

>>12527662
op here, i submit.
I love that fucking picture. do you have an artists tablet by any chance? or are you just going vanillia with a mouse? either way its looking good :} saved

>captcha: you groxbut

>>12527640
Just look around on the gamesworkshop website for an aproximate price difference, since im sure it fluctuates from store to store. i dont know if its any cheaper but i just enjoy painting knights more than aliens and space marines. Horses not so much, but they go with the knights so i do it anyway. evidentlly bretonnia sucks though so be wary if you chose them.

>>12527640
Yeah, there's a bunch of people who've done stuff like what you're suggesting, i'll see if I can dig up a link or something.

>>12527640

Of course - many people are painting Brets after song of ice and fire. I made one Clegane knight and have some planned for the future.

Only Stark heraldry is not quite proper - you know, those medieval rules do not support the idea of grey charge on a white field.

But hell, this is WFB, and you really can do anything - and only historyfags would be offended.

>>12527704
Here's a suggestion thread from the Bretonnian boards:
http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=87&func=view&c
atid=5&id=86644#86644

>>12527716
Op here. I am a history fag, only when it comes to the medieval warfare periods though, and im not offended. I guess im a casual then. That was one of my main reasons for picking bretonnians, I was thinking of empire but everyones huge mustaches fucking annoyed the god damn fucking shit out of me. Holy fuck. Whenever i see anyone with a huge mustache It bugs the shit out of me. It looks cheesey as balls.

>>12527680

quickie with a tablet - I have a noobish mouse and any attempt to draw with that shit would be a terrible experience.

and thanks bro.

>>12527745
Yeah, the QK on the right is the only guy manly enough to wear the 'tasche. All others are cheap imitations.

>>12527759
hahaha, im terrible with a mouse. Heres a helmet i drew from memory though in class.

>>12527775
I just find facial hair to be generally unattractive, unless its something subtle and well maintained. Growing up as a kid i thought facial hair was the shit and wanted a goatee like a motherfucker, but once i grew up, and i use that term lightly, since im not even 20 yet, I realized 90% of beards or mustaches of anytype just dont suit most people and look awkward. TLDR, i chose a different warhammer army because one of them like mustaches.

/tg/-brotonnia, drawfaggotry, facial hair discussions.

>>12527662
>im in ur helmits, bein menacing

I like their models and their whole crusader deal, but they never seem to do anything important in the fluff.

>>12527793
one more i have. questionable outline thickness on my part.

>>12527861
god fucking damnit capcha

>>12527848

Because all the fluff is based around the Empire and the North.

>>12527822
I look roughly 14 when I shave. Also, the missus likes the 'tasche/beard combo, so i'm down with keeping the facefuzz.

can anyone help me find pdf's of old editions of bretonnia?

>>12527903
>>12527903
a girlfriend?!?!
in MY /tg/?!?!
GET OUT.
GET OUT NOW.
YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US.

>>12527959
/tg/- brotonnia, drawfaggotry, no girls allowed

>>12527959
Will Cheesetank placate you?
>>12527932
Which ones are you looking for?

I've never played 40k or WFB and every red shirt I've ever talked to has been unwilling to tell me what I should expect to spend, at minimum, to start playing. I hear players of GW games constantly whining about how much it costs. Is anyone willing to just give me a ballpark number?

If I just picked up a starter box of Bretonnia and the codex, is that enough points for a playable army? What else would I need to get started?

>>12527986
>buy cheese
>mold warhammer army
> embalm in preserving concoction
>profit

>> Played bretonian because they looked fuck win
>> hasn't won a game yet 0-12

List HALP anyone? Here is what I'm currently running for a 2.5k league. no named chars allowed.

2500
Prophetess of the Lady(life)-220pts-Lord-Barded horse,lvl 4,Channeling Staff
(channels on a 5+)

Bretonian Lord-259pts-Lord-Grail vow,warhorse,Sword of Might,virtue of Confidence,Grail Shield,Gauntlet of the Duel
(Re-roll to hit and wound vs opponent during challenge,Opponent cannot decline the challenge, str+1, must accept challenges, 2+(4+) save)

Paladin-125pts-BSB-mounted,virtue of Duty, Grail vow

9x Questing Knights-289pts-Special-Full cmd,Banner of Eternal Flame
(flaming Attacks)

9x Grail Knights-417pts-Rare- Full cmd, Razor Standard

6x knights of the realm-168pts-core- Full cmd

6x knights of the realm-168pts-core- Full cmd

6x knights of the realm-168pts-core- Full cmd

6x Knights Errant-161pts-core-Errantry Banner

20x Men at arms-115pts-Standard, musician

20x Men at arms-115pts-Standard, musician

20x Men at arms-115pts-Standard, musician

2x Trebuchetes-180pts-Rare

>>12528002
I like you, because your ignorant like everyone else when they started this game. go to the gamesworkshop website to see how much you should expect to spend, to play the actual game i think youd need to spend about 100 dollars on all the minis, but the good news is you can buy one small set to see if you like them, and just enjoy painting them which is part of the hobby, and if your interested in playing, you can use objects as placeholders for units until your convinced you like the game and its worht playing.

>>12528002

Around 400-1000 dollars for an army, depending on size and units, 400 would be quite small, a thousand would be every unit you want. Paint and modelling supplies not included in that and expect to shell out a hundred bucks or so every once in a while for new units and such when a new army list comes out

>>12528027

20 man MAA units are shit. Group those fuckers.

>>12528040
What size groups would you recommend?
biggest issue i have is they are so fucking slow they never make it to combat -_-

>>12528027
I'd say merge 2 KoTR block into a 12 man unit, and 2 Men at Arms into a 40 man block, let the block take the charges and counter-charge with the knights.

>>12528031

Only $100 on minis? What about all these guys saying stuff like 'always take two trebuchets' - those things are over $40 apiece...if I wanted to make an army that'd be competition-worthy and not just some starter box abortion I'd wind up spending a lot more, right?

And painting supplies for that many minis aren't terribly cheap either, are they?

>>12528099
You could always have a look around online for some guides on how to scratchbuild trebs. Also, eBay is your friend.

>>12528036

Ah, thank you. So it's a large amount up front and then you can kick in the price of a couple of video games every year or two and still stay competitive? That seems fair I guess.

>>12528099
To just casually start playing the game its really only like 100 dollars. That sets you up for a small skirmish which gives you a good idea of how the game works, and is short enough that you can play over and over to practice with. if your only playing so you can win all the time with some competitive army, then yea, you might have to pay a lot, but you didnt say that, and that isnt really that fun anyways. 1000 dollars is almost two armies.

>>12528123
Also bare in mind that time it takes to paint 100 dollars worth of minis is a long time. You shouldnt buy it all at once or youll be fucking overwhelmed, and will just assemble them to play with and itll be hard as fuck to paint them nicely when you get to them.if you buy the 100 dollar sets they come with like 50 people if not 60.

>>12526363
If by honor you mean feudal europe and stomping down on the peasants like the Empire does, then sure!
Bretonnia is basically Medieval Feudal France plus Arthorian Britian.

>>12528087
lol your funny. tried the 2 big blocks of KOTR can;t maneuver for shit and gets raoed. been doing much better with the 3 smaller ones. also cannons don't ruin my day.

>>12528148
>just jumped into the thread

>>12528160
Dont drop the soap dawg you gun get raoed bro, i warned you about that soap dawg, i warned you

>>12528176

it keeps happening

>bortfie jury

>>12528160

They exist to soak charges. They shouldn't NEED to maneuver that much.

>>12528194
Fellow tau player i see, feels good man.

This thread got fucking huge holy shit.
I didnt think many people even play bretonnia.

>>12528249
You are now aware that bretonnia has gone underground, and when we recieve our new update we will return in a glorious rage filled charge.

>What sucks is despite having Hand weapons and shields, your Men-At-Arms can't choose to use them at the start of a combat, and MUST use their Spears or Halberds, always.
wait, since when is this a rule? I saw that character must always use their magical weapon over their mundane weapon (which i shit), but nothing about choosing to use a hand weapon over another mundane weapon

>>12528270

together with flying warships, wheeled trojan unicorns and all the cool shit.

>>12528366
Please tell me flying warships arent our new unit.
Ill kill myself.

>>12528379
And this wouldn't be hilariously awesome, why?

>>12528404
Because it would mean GW has finally gave up on us.

>>12528379

I dunno - this is just a confusing pic taken at a convention somwhere. Imperials already got (or will be getting) a wheeled warship from Forge World - and they won't be doing the same shit again, only with no wheels. I hope.

Proposal: New bretonnian unit, mage/ warlock. It would go with the theme at least. At the very least they could have sets of armor reanimated with light magic or something from the fey bitch, that could be an elite ground troop.

>>12528449
>confusing
Master understatement technique unlocked
I thought this was final fantasy

I could use some new Grail Knights - with a shitload of options and generally being easy for conversions. I'd love to paint some crazy awesome killer GK.

>>12528502
OP here, i made a set with black armor with drybushed paintchips and gold studded armor. They look pretty interested if you want to try something like that, just try to make it look like impressive black coated armor, instead of black plastic if that makes sense. the clolors they use are red black and yellow. they look like a german flag in retrospect.

>>12528528
Colored armor
wat

>>12528647
Youve never seen black steel before? What about chaos you derp?

The fact that my VC vs. Brettonian thread last night resulted in this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
SURRENDER AND SERVE ME IN LIFE
OR DIE AND SLAVE FOR ME IN DEATH

>>12528686
i straight up do not understand that.

>>12528686
thats no contest though, your comparing an overpowered army against one thats been nerfed into the ground. thats like gloating that you beat up a retarded child.

>>12528716
Not gloating dumbass. I'm proud WHFB is making a resurgence on this board and I'm happy at the fact that the 100+ reply thread I made last night might have helped bring this on.
And who the hell says VC are overpowered?
That crumbling thing is utter bullshit and the Vampire ends up being shot at by everyone.

>>12528732
gloaters gun gloat
regardless heres a cool army i think youll like.
VC conversion

>>12528755
Cool, though in my army the Blood Knights are to be converted Chaos Knights. Though Bretonnians aren't out of the question

this thread literally makes me love /tg/ all over again

Good night, fair thread,
404 is such sweet sorrow

I don't know why but /tg/ seems to be filled with Bretonnia love, which is awesome since bretonnia has always been my faction.

I love my Men@arm peasants, the most fearless warriors in my army... and i have grail knights. The number of times they've made their break test or rolled double 1's for their leadership is astounding. love those little bastards.


My knights always seemed to fail me, but i loved em anyways. i used to write extensive backstories for each knight and thats how i painted their heraldry.

>>12529153
thats the kind of shit i always wanted to do

>>12529153
I wish I could paint heraldry. I want to paint Old One symbols on the flags for my Undead.
I write backstories too. It's all part of the fluff

>>12529165
Yeah and my heroes were all members of the same family. husband wife two sons and a daughter. Even though they weren't the best, i was proud when they won me 4th at a tournament.

>>12529315
actually truthfully (and this is kind of sad) my General lord was painted with a combination of my mom's and my dad's coat of arms.

I guess the biggest fantasy was a world where i had a wife and kids, because the rate its going now... lol

>>12529361
This is the second most deppressing thing I've seen all night.

>>12529438
what was the first?

>>12529132
Not so fast motherfucker.

>>12529153
that sounds cool as fuck, post some goddamn pictures.

>>12529361
where do you live that they still have coats of arms? you can say im fucking intrigued.

>>12530940
i'm both of the last two post that you quoted.

I don't have any cameras so no pics. And most of them were painted when i was 12 (and living in africa with very very few paints to paint with) so they're not really the greatest. but i had a book about hereldry and i added appropriate symbols and wrote them down in a note book that i had.

and yeah i still have my general, he was painted later and is actually just a generic old questing knight on a horse with lance. but i thought he looked cool. His shield was my master piece when i was younger, even if black and blue weren't the best colours (i thought it looked cool at the time) its hard to really see. but it was a quartered shield with a fleur de lys on a white and black striped background on the top right ( my moms coat of arms) with a dragon on a blue background on the top left (the dragon was his helm and i liked dragons his personal symbol), the bottom left was a white field with a black ship (my dads coat of arms) and the bottom left was a mermaid on a blue field (in the picture of my dads coat of arms it was on the helmet of the decorative coat of arms. dunno if it was related, but i liked it)

i could probably do a better job, but i used him so mcuh as a kid i'd don't think it'd be worth it, even if he stands out in an army of newer models.

>>12531284
>>12531284
sweet childhood memories. You could probably touch him up, but it probably wouldnt be the same. Best just leave it as is.im currently repainting a lot of my earlier models, but since they where only from 3 or 4 years ago its not like theres too much nostalgic value in them anyways. never played with them, just painted them to stand around and look nice. And africa? huh. where you visiting or something? i dont think many africans had warhammer sets now or then.

>>12531437
moved there with my dad for his work. It was miserable. Proof that a large house, several staff, a large property and a huge pool doesn't lead to happiness. Not being able to leave and go for a bike ride, having 10 people in your class that live all throughout the city, not many lights at night, cold and dry, and when it rains fucking flying maggots everywhere (at least thats what it looked like) tropical diseases and spiders that were several inches big but which could hide in the smallest of cracks.

Good pizza place though.

i was only there for a year but no tv(because we were cheap) and no internet makes you way more productive with miniatures. though i ran out of paint and there really wasn't anyway to get any more until i moved back.

I did get this totally sweet hand carved chess set with a tripod stand that could be folded up (carved out of a single piece of wood and not cut just cleverly carved (though it broke in half when a mover packed it in a retarded way))

i kind of wish i could repaint the worst offenders in my army, but they're from 5th ed when i thought any old spray paint could be primer. i might as well just get new knights and put my old ones into retirement. lots of good memories there.

outdated, but still dangerous. too stodgy and slow, though, despite the knights. i can outflank them with fucking Chaos.

>>12531608
although funny enough i first got into warhammer because there was a GW right underneath the Casino in the West edmonton mall.

My mom loves to gamble (especially when stressed ugh, but she does have the luck) and she would leave me there, as if they were baby sitter. at first i thought it was a model shop and had nothing to do with games and i just sat outside of it. The next time it happened though i walked around inside and was offered a game by a redshirt. which was using the old bretonnian versus lizardmen starter set

the third time i used some saved up allowance to buy the starter set (bretonnians and Lizardmen).

It was great because we had just moved to edmonton, my dad had lost his job and was living off an early pension and i was bullied alot in school. I put alot of heart into the hobby and i must have read the army book and rule book a dozen times and when ever we went to the mall i'd bring my models to play a pick up game even if it was only a 500pt match with just a standard knight as a "hero". I eventually made friends (then we left town, i swear my parents chose to leave town when ever i started bonding with my peers) and i told them about warhammer and while we never played sometimes we'd pretend when we were riding our bikes that we were knights fighting orcs, and when we tried archery at a school camp trip we all thought the targets were orcs. (i think we hated orcs or something)

>>12531652


Its times like this that make me just want to take my old models out and go to my local GW to see if any of the old grognards are there. But i retired myself from fantasy for university. and its been 6 years since i pulled out my brets (i got into 40k two years ago though with tau when my local friends got into it).

But i think i might want to get back into fantasy and play. my local friends have decided to try fantasy by starting high elves, skaven, and tomb kings. funny because my old group that i played with regularly was Dark elves, skaven and my nemesis tomb kings...


>>12531612
Yeah the knight bus is kind of hard to move around, only compounded with so much dangerous terrain everywhere, though quick reforms are a second blessing for brets.

i hate you guys, i've been out of the scene for several years....now i'm waxing nastalgic over my bretts and might have to bust them out for a game or two. Will be good to see the Haddigan clan again ( a unit of 20 bowmen that managed to soak the charge and overwhelm Zacharias the Everliving) my second fondest memory of table top gaming.

>>12531652
>>12531661
Op here, my heart is warmed. I wish i had childhood stories like that. Your life reminds me a lot of mine in some ways, but i dont think i should turn this thread into /tg/- life stories and self pity. I liked your post though. My first warhammer game was when i was with my family on a vacation in san fran, there used to be a GW store there a few years back when i was in 8th grade, and a redshirt offered to teach me how to play, but i got the tyranid vs space marine battle instead of the cool knight one you got. sadface. regardless i ended up buying some small random tyranid and space marine packs just to fiddle with and play with, it wasnt until a few years later when i was in 10th grade after moving that i would actually get into the game.

do it :]

>>12531777
I'm sorry for almost derailing this thread, but seeing so much bretonnia love made me nostalgic of my old campaigning.

>>12531852
Haha, i dont mind. I like hearing about that stuff, I wish i had a gaming group i had fond memories with, i mainly only play by myself when im totally bored out of my mind or one or two friends, its mainly a painting and modeling hobby too me. I doubt this thread will last much longer anyway, i started it almost 12 hours ago. /tg/ has probably lost interest by now. so we can post whatever. You should check out paintedfantasyminiatures.com to see some great paint jobs if your interested in just seeing some pretty models. They arent the best but their better than mine, some of them are really interesting designs too.

>>12531892
pic related, forgot to attatch one. Its a comission site and im not trying to advertise it, but, those bretonnians are just fucking nice.

also on an unrelated note
I'm getting this damsel on foot and i'm going to paint them up like Lina Inverse.

Even if its pointless i think one game i'll make her a level 4 heavens wizard and just hope i get the comet of casandora and call it the dragons slave. I could also call winds blast, blam gush, and i can call iceshard blizzard could be Freeze arrow and urannons thunderbolt can be digger bolt.

lol it works better than expected.

>>12531904
derp forgot the image

>>12531901
they are indeed

>>12531904
op here,haha, i lol'd im surpised many people at /tg/ know what that is, since its an animu thing. im not to heavy in it but dabble every once and a while. if you like grimdark anime (not that what you posted is, im just makind a general suggestion) you might be interested in something called jin-roh the wolf brigade. its a movie.

>>12531933
we are on 4chan... and slayers is awesome and kind of /tg/ related (i imagine lina is the stereotypical power gamer annoyed at their stupid other party members, Amelia is the Lawful stupid paladin, Gourry is the half retarded always high fighter that is usually too busy eating pizza to know whats happening, zelgadis is the guy who gave himself a dark and brooding past (some would say marry sue), Xellos would be the Lawful Evil DM's friend who's just in it for himself)

But yeah i saw the model and i figured it'd be funny to do. I've recently gotten into small conversions (my tau army has an ethereal (that i never use) with a shield drone that is actually just a water caste reporter and cameraman) and some mercenary kroot with all sorts of weapons (one with double flint lock pistols))

>>12531983
Lmfao. funny. a lot of that made sense which is the worst part out of all of that. cool that you use tau btw. I think i mentioned it earlier in the thread but i have a small tau force as well. i bought the tau battalion force or whatever and an extra fire squad. those fuckers look cool, but im still trying to figure how they see through the helmet, ive been thinking its a tiny lcd screen in the inside, but that just brings the question why?

>>12531983
op here, names steven btw forgot to mention that, im thinking of making a tripcode on her since i seem to be making friends with interesting people. ill probably be on later tommarow, but have to wake up early tommarow to go to the gym with my friend. I think the hardest part of staying in shape is going to bed early and waking up early to be honest, as my natural sleeping schedule is closer to, sleep at 4:00am, wake up at 3:00pm right now. derp. night /tg/

Ive played brets since 5th edition.
Knightly justice and glorious charges all day err day
feels good man.

>>12532546
brotonnia everlasting i guess! this thread needs to survive until i get back from calculus

>>12526708
Could someone explain how they were more GRIMDARK? I came kinda late to the game in WFB but love the lore.

I hope that with the new army book they will get varied and perhaps even capable infantry. I have some of Perry miniatures war of the roses infantry I'm just waiting for an excuse to use.

>>12532841
what i want to see are foot knights. they used to exist, and all the shit that's awesome about bretonnian knights plus the way 8th edition heaves on infantry's knob, they might just be the best unit in existance

>>12532546

If I recall correctly they didn't used to have all the glory and honour junk about them. They were all like a bunch of medieval frat boys: they were bitchan and whoran and fightan (but in a feudal setting) all the time.

Now, with all this arthurian junk that's been shoe-horned in, reading Brett lore sometimes feels like you've got two different cultures/armies mashed together. On the one hand you have this noble, honourable army saving damsels, slaying beasties etc and then you've got this arrogant bunch of don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves. They just need to pick one and run with it.

Anyway, what I'd like to see is more infantry. Dismounted knights definitely. Yeoman/town infantry for sure. Maybe some kind of kings/dukes bodyguard type force. An elite sherwood (whatever - GW has never seen a cultural myth it hasn't raped) forest style unit.

Perhaps a dishonoured knights type unit with reduced armour but extra attacks or something.

>>12533134
sherwood archers were real. bretonnia had them back long long ago in the dim ages before shit sucked. they were deployed in a triangle, measured LOS from the rearmost rank, and everyone in the entire formation could fire

>Be a huge fan of Knights and Chivalry.
>See Bretonnia thread.
>222 replies and 40 images
>mfw

You guys are fucking awesome. ZEUS HIMSELF APPROVES!

>>12533414
bro, this shit's been running since like, 7:00 last night. we're almost to thread limit, but there'll probably be another thread sometime soon

>>12533520
op here, actually made this thread at like 3 pm california time yesterday, its about 10 am here so in a few hours itll be up for a full 24 hours, but idk if that a big deal or not since i dont really go to /tg/ too much. regardless still happy too see people enjoyed it, i noticed i never saw anything about bretonnians so i wanted too change it and i got a good reception. if i can get my camera hooked up which is fucking unlikely, ill post some of my customs when i get home. love seeing what people think up for bretonnian customs. later /tg/

>>12534106
op here, i just now realized somewhere my 3pm is probably someones 7 at night. fuck.

>>12534118
EAST COAST MOTHERFUCKER! WE'RE THREE HOURS IN THE FUTURE!

ITT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNjhbOH8m2U

Play before charging your KotR, receive awesome

>>12534118
michigan lol

>>12526899
>Wood Elves need a book more than Tomb Kings/Ogre Kingdoms/Bretonnians

No one needs a new book more than Tomb Kings.

I want you to compare the cost and stats of a Chaos Marauder and a Tomb King Skeleton and then tell me someone else needs a new book before Tomb Kings.

>>12535008
i'm not that guy fyi, and i agree but well, comparing anyone to chaos is not exactly a fair comparison

>>12535063
Very true.

It just came up when Friend A, who plays Vampire Counts was looking at the Chaos book of Friend B, and noticed that Marauders were cheaper and better than his basic unit.

I then took out my outdated Tomb Kings book and got pissed at the Point/Stat comparison.

Fortunately rumor has it Skeletons will go down to 5 points a figure, which just makes sense.

>>12535063
well, then they'd be 3pts a model wouldn't they?

but still, there are more incongruities with the game that need to be dealt with in the TK book than just pure points cost, and once they fix the 'how the f does this match up' parts, the army will be a lot better off in the first place.

>>12534138
Op here, i wish i could live in the future, when you get the new bretonnian codex travel back in time for us simple caifornian folk to tell me about it. ill never forget you anon. Good luck.

Unrelated note: after driving home with my bro friend from the gym, inb4 haters gun hate, i caught a glimpse of my 6 month ago ex walking home, and for whatever reason my heart sank and i shut the fuck up in the middle of my sentence. This is probably bad considering i have a nice girlfriend. :/

Op here, theres been a lot of talk in this thread on possible new units for brets, which interests me as I have to agree with one of the trolls in the thread who mentioned bretonnian armies are all the same. it has some foundation to it. what do you think is the most likely addition? Part of me just wants another fuckawesome model to dick with and paint like a little kid, in fact thats why I chose brets. But the bitter gamer in me wants a fuck awesome unit that makes us a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully we get a little bit of both. But as i stated before, no god damn flying warships. This isn't final fantasy. yet.

>>12535606
Knights on foot need to come back. And probably will, seeing as how Gee Dub has been introducing all kinds of old stuff into the game lately.

>>12533414
If you just like knights and shit I can dump some armor for you, i have some reference pictures on here for my art that you might like to look at. not much though since most of my material is from hardbound books. As i said before i only picked bretonnia for knights. So i think were in the same boat. Something interesting most people don't know about armor, is that properly fitted and plated armor is articulated enough for people to do cartwheels and handstands in. Shit is cash.

Op here, glorious dump for my glorious brethren
also, before anyone else does it
> OP HERE
>OP HERE
>OP HERE
>OP HERE

bascinet, one of my favorite designs. Other than frogmouth jousting helmet which look menacing as fuck despite being awkward as a motherfucker

Id buy this shit if i could. only helmet i have right now is a greathelm my dad bought me for a christmas present. Kind of curious to know what the grade of steel it has since most battle ready helmets are 18 guage i think. Not that it really matters much anyway, since im not a knight. sadface.

Gauntlets, motherfuckers are hard as balls to draw right. its like a god damn.
/tg/ brotonnia- teenage relation ship drama- pretty pictures-people from the future

wow, Bretonnian thread. Awesome. Haven't dusted mine off in ages, but I approve.

I was considering getting a unit of grail knights at some point and painting them in in yellow and red as ANGRY KNIGHTS so they could be always charging, all the time.

Is this heresy?

>>12535701
>its like a god damn.
holy shit im an idiot.

>>12535712
op here, makes sense to me, if you studied medieval warfare youd know knights single handedly ruined battlefield formations and lost battles because instead of following commands and holding back, they would charge in like dumbshits ahead of the foot soldiers (for personal glory and to prove valor, etc etc) and just get killed.

frog mouth jousting helmet. most of these where impossible to see in or out of by design unless tilted downwards from horseback, as in a joust your expected to throw your head up at the last moment to prevent shards of wood from lances from entering the eye holes blinding you like a motherfucker. Sure is piles of useless knowledge in here that wont ever help me in life in here.

>>12535688
That's probably the single most atrociously awful attempt at a helmet I've ever seen.

>>12535785
op here, should also mention those little holes on the bottom are for attatching (sp) that shit to the chest plate so you cant turn your head at all. it isnt practical in combat but was helpful during a joust where the energy from a charging horse was concentrated through a metal pole to a pinpoint and could break your neck >like a god damn

>>12535748
That settles it then. Next time I have enough time and money to make it happen, I'm painting up some Angry Knights whose job it will be to punch through enemy lines with great fury to give give the Lady's enemies a taste of their RAGE

Hmm. Should probably use Errant knights for that

>>12535863

Questing knights have the great weapons. Either way, it'll be awesome.

>>12535795
Op here, its actually a very nice helmet (imo) and is based off of a very common design. everything in the basic shape of the helmet is very practical for its purpose. This is tournament armor, and its pointed and pronounced mouth guard is meant to intercept a blow to the face and turn it into a glancing blow that rolls of the sharp angle of the "beak". The hinged construction was also very advanced for the time period. Also it appears to only have vents drilled on one side, which was important so you could have one side that you could get airflow through, and the other side which was most likely to be hit, had no holes therefore maintained maximum integrity. It might not be the best helmet but its nowhere near worst. you trollin me nigger?

>>12535894
true.

And Questing Knights have moustaches. Moustaches of JUSTICE

Fuck, I need money.

>>12535863
op here.
the more you know, anon. I actually lol'd when i found that out. It was actually pretty common. supposedly for the time, if you could keep your knights under control you where basically considered a military genius for the time period. enough said. It was mainly a result of the way knights where ranked, combat determined your ranking basically and any hesitance to fight basically meant you where a pussy and hurt your chances of ever climbing up in social status, so the first chance they got those fuckers took off and just went to town.

>>12535959
>>12535863

Oh yeah, definitely familiar with the discipline shitshow that was the medieval battle line. It was one of the contributing factors at Agincourt & Crecy, too.

These guys are pretty cool too.

Just saying.

>>12536022
you...you....DOUBLE UNGOR

>>12535986
op here
nice to see someone with some knowledge of these things in here, not that i look down on people who dont understand it, as its akin to beating a person down for not knowing something that has no impact on anything really. I just like seeing people with similar interests i suppose. But yeah. Its kind of frusterating but if you look at it through their eyes,(the knights) its really the only way to make any progress, and if your peers where being bitches and whores, youd have to put on a show for them to maintain your visage. kind of reminds me of

[spoiler] highschool [/spoiler]

>>12536033
God damnit, my spoiler fu never works.

>>12536031
>Ungor means not-Gor
>Double Ungor
>Double not-Gor
Does that mean I am in fact a Gor?

>>12535914
That thing is to a close helmet what a burning crater is to aircraft. It's what you wear on your head (strapped to the side of your head probably, because odds are no human head will fit inside) while wielding something shown here: http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/fulaste2.htm

[spoiler]highschool[/spoiler]

[spoiler] highschool [/spoiler]

[spoiler] highschool [spoiler/]

[/spoiler] highschool [spoiler]

[/spoiler] highschool [/spoiler]

God damnit you foul contraption, work, tools of the god damn fucking devil, i motherfucking condem thee.

>>12536067
no, it makes you a filthy dirty peasant >:(

>>12536033
there's a few learned historyfags on /tg/ but I think they usually come out at night. One of the reasons I like the board.

Its fun to mix history and profanity without having to excise it from a paper.

>>12536083
Spoilers only work on certain boards.

[spoiler]Not including this one...[/spoiler]

>>12536083

Spoilers don't work here.

>>12536084
Ah, so I'm a Bray Shaman.

>>12536074
op here, i dont really understand whats wrong with the helmet, or why you couldnt fit a head in there, maybe im retarded but id like you to spell it out a little more clearly for me. it looks fine to me. If your saying you cant get your head inside it, theres hinging for putting it on and off. im confus. either way welcome to the thread.

>>12536114
The Skin of Man is like Tactical Genius turned up to 11. Why? Because it was errata'd to work with chariots as well. That's right, they can make an entire goddamn Razorgor Chariot look like "a particularly ugly peasant".

Why the Beastmen don't rule the Old World is anyone's guess.

[non working spoiler] if this thread gets to 300 posts before dying ill feel like i actually acomplished something worthwhile on 4chan [non working spoiler]

>>12535638
Knights on foot? how does that work? is it just like a suped up men at arms or something? are they a unit or a unique?

>>12536138

They rule over the parts that matter to them. Everything else is just there temporarily.

>>12536127
It's a very, very poorly made modern replica, which tries to look like a close helmet, but which fails miserably, simply due to being shaped all wrong. Look at some original specimens, compare with that one, and if it isn't clear as day that it's about as off as a cubist painting (assuming the painting fails to capture the spirit and lack any and all forms of artistic merit) then I fear I might as well explain colours to a star mole.

If you're lacking pics of old armour to look at, here's some to get you started:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dzjjnhtzmtm
http://www.mediafire.com/?qet2ijnwhzz
http://www.mediafire.com/?jzj0tmjlrty
http://www.mediafire.com/?qmmi0jztgjz

>>12526420

>>12536247
>implying OP wasn't specifically asking our opinion on the Brettonia faction, even specifically mentioning the idea that they are the "worst faction"

>>12536138
Problem, Beastmen?

Haters gonna hate

>>12536225
They were quite literally knights on foot. Same statlines, same equipment (apart from the horse and lance). They even had unmounted heroes back in the days (well, the current Bretonnians have that option too, but it sucks).

>>12536239
You ignoramus, i led you into a trap and you took the bait quite flawlessly. I now have even more learning material to absorb to add to my ever expanding, superior logic. You uncultured swine. Do you really think im that much of a fool?

*troll face*

But in all seriousness, ill be sure to give this a look, as you seem to be pretty confident in your opinion, and i doubt that would come from nowhere, your probably right. Thanks for all the cool shit im sure to find in here, stay for as long as you like. I guess im nothing more than a medeival

>casual

>>12535638
if knights on foot come back, i will be very, very tempted to play bretonnians, because it will mean i can play Agincourt/Crecy style british armies, with longbowmen, longbowmen EVERYWHERE!

is it just me or would brettonia look slightly cooler looking if GW were to make the Pegasus look a little more, monstrous, now i don't mean grim dark it the fuck up, but, as the masculinity of flying animals stands, Pegasus just look kinda gay

>>12536340

Knights don't use ranged weapons at all. That's peasant shit.

>>12536334
>You ignoramus, i led you into a trap and you took the bait quite flawlessly. I now have even more learning material to absorb to add to my ever expanding, superior logic. You uncultured swine. Do you really think im that much of a fool?


10/10 post

>>12536239
are those all book downloads?

because if they are then I love you with an undying passion,
/tg/ has the best armour image dumps around, but I can't use any as reference material for my Art course because I can't source them.
however if these are books, then I can source the hell out of them.

>>12536356
op here.
id like to make another educated comment, but that sly motherfucker is going to shoot me down with some mind blowing bullshit most likely and make a fool out of me.

Shit fuck god damn

>>12536356
well, durr. peasant longbowmen everywhere, backed up by a few blocks of knights on foot, mabye a couple mounted ones to counter-charge if needed.

Look up british tactics in the 100 years war, and you'll know what i mean.

Helping OP get to 300+ replies with some kickass Bretonnia art.

>>12526517
guise, peasants are smelly shitty little fuckers.
Dammit, we have to put up with them, isn't that enough ?!

I actually really like the gritty side of bretonnia, and think we should be able to have crossbowmen, and less chivalrous knights.

Op here. Consider the following.
(pic related, animated gif)

End game: GW in the next edition accidently overpowers bretonnia to the point that no other army stands a chance in competitive play, but dont bother to fix it because they're GW, (and by consequence everyone buys a bretonnia army. Every game is now bretonnia versus bretonnia and is fun as shit. Years later when they revise it again, because their slow as balls, and balance everything out, no one cares because they already have a fucking awesome bretonnian army, and GW changes the game from Warhammer fantasy battles to Brotonnia and friends. Every update is now a new a brettonian unit.

>>12536379
lol OP, i'm
>>12531983
>>12531904
>>12531661
>>12531652
and my name is also Steven. Kinda of funny that.

and hunting hounds,
and wood cutters (peasants with great axes) - not because they would be powerful in game, but because it would be kewl.

>>12526517
Why do peasants have to pay for what is essentially digging a hole, filling it up and maybe putting some wooden sticks behind it?

>>12536349
Dude, I wish they could make the Pegasus look MORE graceful and elegant. I love the idea of romanticized Arthurian Knights.

>>12536445
That was last edition.
Bretonnia full cavalry could rape just about anything.
(until demons was released)

>>12536456
because they are dirty peasants.

duh.

>>12536465
inb4 WAAARD and Rowboat Girlyman

>>12536452

Wood cutter guys would get fucking owned by the Wood Elves in the fluff, though.

>>12536480
ward wrote the demons book, amirite?
I think last edition that bretonnia was too powerful, but by accident, like totally not on purpose.

>>12536456
Because they are filthy peasants, obviously.

>>12536483
yeah, but they would so kill all the wolves that go after grandma.

>>12536459
op here thanks for the awesome artwork man. bros for life.

>300 posts and 70 images omitted

>>12536541
Op here
I will remember this day for years to come.
My other longest thread was like, 50 posts.
pic related, its the spiritual journey my thread went through to get to this point and reach the ever elusive 300 post count.

>>12536452
The Middenheim list introduced in Storm of Chaos had that exact unit, so I guess it's entirely possible, if unlikely.

>>12536450
OP here
haha, thats ridiculous. I had no idea it was you. I just put my aim up a second ago but took it down because its my private one, i just made a new aim account named brotonnia if you want to chat ever. anyone on here can add me. (lol brotonnia)

>>12536541
Fuck year!!

favorite thread
/thread

I do say though, they certainly made the peasants look like Hardasses.

>>12536349
>>12536349
The hell are you talking about, the pegasus are kind of manly they're fairly ripped for horses with wings, and they even have beards, Thats right they're so manly that they're horses with beards.

I mean look at this fucker, I'm actually pretty content with how they look, they could even be a bit more graceful looking for what its worth, The idea of pegasus knights is awesome. and the BRAF

>>12536511
So they'd get hatred(beastmen), but wood elves would always have hatred against them? Or how about Hatred(warbeast), GOD DAMN FUCKING WOLVES


i'd personally like to see some of the older special characters return. maybe add bretonnian marines. or professional pikemen. Also i'd like the peasantry to be a bit better treated on average but bretonnia a bit worse off on the whole (as in shits going down). to balance it out a bit more.

And while i know the knights abhor ranged weapons, i don't see why the peasants can't have a bombard. I mean the bretonnian navy has cannons on all their ships.

>>12536668
im glad people liked it, despite it being nothing more than a passing conversation on a website. I had the idea to start it up but didnt do it until i had saved up some artwork to keep people interested and built up some conversation topics, since i wanted the thread to be at least somewhat decent. A little planning goes a long way. And a shit load of luck that the people in the thread who liked bretonnia were online at just the right moments too see it.

>>12536690
yeah, and not just cannons, but CANNONS

p.s. anyone know where i can find man o war models?

>>12536639
>Storm of Chaos
>Buy awesome models, because let's face it, they won't create moulds for new models and then only use them for one campaign
>Get new army book
>No Storm of Chaos units
>Slayer Doomseekers and Goblin Hewer gather dust on the shelf

>>12536365
First one has pics saved from http://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/collections/72157603206939094/ he usually tells you in the pic info which museum the piece is residing in.

Second is basically source-less stuff.

The third one consists of pics saved from http://www.wallacecollection.org/

The last one consists of scans from Historischen Waffenkunde II by Bruno Thomas (scanned and originally posted over at /k/ by Kakanian).


And tossing in one more, here's some photos from the Royal Armoury in Stockholm: http://www.mediafire.com/?r4x3a2mls19s2e9

.>>12536762
op here. /tg/ mods, i am dissapoint. your killing my thread. soon bretonnia general will be replaced with a myriad of 5 reply topics about dark elf sprues and testicles. Sure is going out with a whimper and not a bang in here. goodnight sweet prince.

>>12536806
what? dude, no you got it all wrong, after going for so long a thread just doesn't bump anymore. 4chan pretty much needs it, otherwise you'd have to go to page 8 to find something that isn't a troll thread with like 50000 replies. i posted Haley Williams as a reward for my bros

For this glorious thread.

>>12535863

Something like that? I ran out of ideas how to make him more angry...

>>12536806
dont worry OP, Bro-tonia will live on.

Sigh, too true i suppose.
hexes and damnation.
Would be nice if mods had the ability to exempt certain threads from the rule that were of sufficent quality. God i have the spelling of a child. Oh well. Hopefully this thread lives on through more like it. I enjoyed watching this thing grow from a peanut into a fucking unstoppable force. id try to get it archived but it isnt really anything worth archiving i dont think. is it?

>>12536882

damn, when I was drawing the thread began autosaging...

>>12536882
Yep. that's more or less what I had in mind. thanks bro-tonnian drawfag!

>>12536921
dude who's reading the entire thread, and who will want to read the entire thread again anways.

its like saving chat transcripts, half the time its pointless.

i prefer threads to be pruned because it just means new theads in the furue

>>12536882
op here, i love it. all i can think to add would be a dragon ball Z aura around him, or some gore somewhere. I thought the middle finger helmet was a good touch. I lold at the little fuck scroll. I might color this sometime if you dont mind.

>>12536882
Hm...

Your probably right, but if anyone here thinks its worth it ill vote for it. just for the fuck of it. I just thought it was neat.

>>12536987

Thanks and sure, feel free to do with it whatever you want.

This could probably go with the brotonnia theme. under the helmet the knights would actually just be angry bros. Barding and heraldry would be shit like beer and chicken wings.>>12536882

is there a way you can upload this without all the dirty pixels? I could probably get rid of it myself if i use photoshop or something though. its just going to be a bitch and a half to color like this. Either way i dont really mind since i like the picture so much.
>>12536882

>>12537106

Sorry, I was working on a single layer so for me it's still the same work - manually removing the dirty lines. I may try to do something cleaner - and upload it if this thread would be still alive then.

But seriously, I liked the idea - and I could make something more serious later. Write some suggestions about how an ANGRY KNIGHT should look like, and in some time I will probably post the results.

i remember taking photoshop classes for highschool, and theres a method to get rid of those pixels thats mainly automated, just for future reference since if you can figure it out itll help you out a lot in the future, you basically just set it as turn x into y and it does it for you. Thats an overgeneralized version of it though. just a recomendation to help you in the future.

And angry knights, hmm. just try to get in the character so to speak, imagine the way they would think, and try to emulate it in your work, what would they WANT to look like, but still look like bretonnians? What would they be doing and how would the be doing it? its mainly a matter of getting into the mind of the character. Youll know best since its your art. Mainly just have him in sporadic and extreme poses in dangerous situations that are over the top and rage induced. i know thats a vauge answer but i think if you take it to heart itll help you more than if i flat out told you to do x y and z. im coloring your picture right now in paint by cutting with the free line tool, relining with the chisel brush, and coloring in cel shade style. derp. too much time on hands mode.
>>12537197

>>12537197
might be a good idea to start a new thread to flesh out ideas for the Angry Knights (looks, ethos, that sort of thing)

>>12537241

and I, also being in such mode, began making the cleaner version. You want that or will you stick with the old one?

implying it didnt take like 15 minutes to do this one minute section. yes please. ill make the new thread right now.
>>12537295

>>12537321
lol whoops

>>12537321

link to new thread?

>>12537409
>>12537417
here you go bro, sorry it took so long, i only got like 3 hours of sleep and decided to work out and am having a caffine crash like a motherfucker.
[spoiler] for bretonnia [/spoiler]

>>12538116
broing out with your bros will have that effect

>>12538188
thats basically the jist of brotonnia.

op here, this thread has served me well, and in its honor, motherfucking brotonnia.