Level 20 fetus powered gyroscope

noncombatant.

And the big wheel run by Faith, good Lordy;
And the little wheel run by the Grace of God;
In the wheel in the wheel in the wheel good Lord;
Way in the middle of the air.

level 30 biblical interpretation of an angel

>>12516419
close enough

Race: offanim

Stats don't matter, you be fucked. You are not surviving a rumble with this.

it's in your womb

You guys know that's an angel right?

It's called a "Throne" and is described in Ezekiel.

Not exactly something the church wanted made into a stained glass window...

>>12516515
The name of the most glorious and exalted Thrones denotes that which is exempt from and untainted by any base and earthly thing, and the super mundane ascent up the steep. For these have no part in that which is lowest, but dwell in fullest power, immovably and perfectly established in the Most High, and receive the Divine Immanence above all passion and matter, and manifest God, being attentively open to divine participations.

>>12516515
I can't imagine why not. Do you have any idea how awesome this is?

>>12516400
Those eyes remind me of pride

>>12516515
You kidding? That in stained glass would be awesome.

>>12516523
I know these things are bad ass, I wish I had the pic of the one with wings. People would be like hey, that thing looks crazy, I think these church people may be crazy to

>>12516523
Most of the angels as described in the Bible are like this. More like Lovecraftian horros than the cute little cherubs you see everywhere.

>>12516586

The eye circles one is the best, but I also like the angel that's just like, four heads. Like, it's a goat head, a lion head, an eagle head and a man's head, and all of them are screaming. Bible is hardcore.

>>12516609
Curious what modern Christianity would be like if they actually bothered to read their holy book...

>>12516515

Old castle chapels, at least in catholic countries of yurop, actually have quite often these old school Ophanim, Cherubim and Seraphim painted in the walls.

>>12516624
They wouldn't think much of hell, given that all it says about hell in the bible is that there's a gnashing of teeth and there's flames. All we can really derive from that is that hell sucks and there's fire.

>>12516523
The church likes to talk about heaven as being sugar coated happy awesome land of sex and win where everything you ever wanted is given to you freely.

The Angels are elder horrors that exist in a place described as being like "fields of glass" where your "reward" is that of staring zombie like at the burning face of God for all time.

>>12516609
Dude, that's the fucking CHERUB.
Also: how many of you read the Cracked article? Admit it. I know >>12516637 did.

>>12516400
1d6 investigators are incinerated each round by radiant light.

Here have some "real" angels.

First, the seraph.

>>12516660
I'm borrowing images from it right now.

Here's another depiction of the throne.

Now imagine being raped by one of these things. Seriously.... Watcher angels man.... They fell to the earth for some sweet human lovin'

And lastly the cherub.

could be angel?

>>12516624
It wouldn't have many believers. If I hadn't gone to private school for 8 years I probaly would have never figured out the Bible is full of batshit crazy stuff

Semi-related, but damn I love this picture.

>>12516667
>>12516676
>>12516690
Someone reads Cracked...

>>12516712
You are now now aware that the left side of the picture is flipped, with the humans sloppily smeared out.

>>12516726
wait, cracked. Like hahah jokes craked


>>captch joke

>>12516682
>I'm sure thye rape with "insuber force,"

>>12516743
Well fu-hu-uck your shit.

>>12516700
i went to christian schools for quite a few years and one Christmas in art class the teacher had us use angels for the motif of the week. needless to say i used the eldrich abominations version from the bible and apocrypha. i had to goto the principals office, had my mom AND dad called, and got a 30 minute bitching out by the principal over "drawerin out them thar satan thingys inna pitchure" and how i was going to hell for doing it.

>>12516787
HAHAHAH epic, I wish I new about this shit when I was in Catholic school so I could fuck with my teachers

>>12516658
Well, you kinda summed it up.
Heaven == being with God and eternally become more and more like him
Hell = being being apart from God and becoming less and ess like him

At least, that's what i heard in lections

Christian lore has angels look more human in the lower tiers. Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim are more eldritch horrors, but lower angels look more human with wings.

>>12516787
I guess showing them the pages with those descriptions got nowhere?

>>12516787
That's kind of weird. If I'm remembering correctly, aren't the four heads of the Cherub just the heads of the animals that represent John, Luke, Matthew, and Peter (the writers of the four Gospels)?
I mean, in context that makes sense.

>>12516820
Are there angels with wings descripted in Bible anyway?
Aren't the wings just symbolic of their fastness and angelic nature?

>>12516802
when i brought in a book written in the 50`s about what angels looked like (how they were described in the bible) oh god all the teachers and principal shat kittens. i had to hear all 664 versions of how D&D rots your soul according to jack chick. even though the book was 20 years older than d&d. the fcked up thing was the teacher that gave me the most grief, when her husband died she went to work at a really skeezy stripclub that had fucked up strippers working there and her being in her 50`s was actually the hottest one there. the lapdance is always best, when you can make the stripper cry while she doing it.

>>12516690

Personally, I prefer this version.

>>12516859
only this one
>>12516667
the others are either the stuff of nightmares or more likely aren't given a description.

>>12516859
In the Bible, angels are either horrifying beasts or shaped like men. The wings were a Catholic church addition

I love having the eldritch angels being benevolent, because it scares the fuck out of people. You think this thing with billion eyes is going to wreck your shit, only to send a message from your patron god, pat you on the head, and give your party a nice healing with a small temporary stat boost on the way out.

And then you run into the fallen angels who look exactly the same, but are evil.

>>12516660
Which article?
Also, Archangel Azrael

Angel's get more wings the more powerful they are. The most powerful have six, and shield themselves with a pair so you don't go mad by looking at them.

>>12516886
the fallen are the pretty angels according to josephus of antioch.

>>12516828
People don't read the bible. None-Christians don't read it because "boring hippy shit, goody two shoes stuff" and Christians don't read it because "FUCK YOU I'M A CHRISTIAN" They get told everything they need to know about the bible. Hell even in Friday club (see also bible studies) the chapters and pages we read were hand picked by the Vicar.

Everyone else reading about JAYSUS making people walk. Me at the back of the class reading about scorpid death monsters.

>>12516844
The references about the various animals in the New Testament and the Apostles actually tie back in with the Old Testament.

The general idea was that Jesus went "oh, wait, here's all the shit the Messiah had to do" and then he went out there and did it himself.

>>12516890
I think it was on Monday. 5 things people got wrong or something. Should be on the first page of "Older articles."
>>12516886
>You think this thing with billion eyes is going to wreck your shit, only to send a message from your patron god, pat you on the head, and give your party a nice healing with a small temporary stat boost on the way out.
Hey, so long as you still have the normal angels getting into wrestling matches with the PCs for shits and giggles, power to you.

>>12516885
The wings come from ancient Sumeritan religions that feature mythical winged-humans.

>>12516886

They're not really evil so much as rebellious. Biblical good and evil holds the idea that anything of God is "Good" while anything not of God or willingly apart from God is "Evil" and as such is a mode of morality vastly different from the one most of us adhere to today. I know that the Grigori fell for taking wives among men, taught the race of man the secrets of civilization, and wouldn't really be considered evil by today's standards, but because they held Man above God, they fell. Of course, Satan originally wasn't really a fallen angel at all, so much as some other angelic (?) being that tested the Faithful by attempting to lure them from God, all the while hoping that they resisted his temptations.

>>12516886
Well, remember, each time an Angel showed up to talk with someone it basically went "DO NOT BE AFRAID I AM HERE TO HELP YOU".

And then Nick Cave took a part from the bible and ran with it and made an awesome story.

>>12516881
IIRC, seraphim's wings aren't even for flying. He just covers himself with them, each pair for body section (legs, arms&torso, head)
>>12516885
Well, not only Catholic. Orthodox' iconography has them too.
I was taught that wings on the icons symbolise that angel are fast (as in, getting from one place to another)

>>12516890

I don't think that's Azrael. As far as I can remember, Azrael never really got a physical description. I think that may be another interpretation of a Cherub that plays up the "wings and eyeballs" aspect more than the "animal-faces" aspect, or else based on a different description of a Cherub.

What's the name of the angel chorus that will kill you insane with the power of A Capella?

The abrahamic mythology is completely fucked up anyway. No one really knows what it is talking about.

Some sects tried to sort it out, but the results are dubious at best.

>>12516864
>>12516787
>here
i love the bible, it has more scary oh fuuuuuuuuuuu moments in it than anything else ever. you want incest, with daughters raping thier drunk father? its in genesis. jewish ninjas FUCKING SHIT UP? all through there. a nigga so strong they named his ass after broc sampson? in there. shit metallica wrote creeping death about the exodus story. the isrealites hunted down and killed cities filled with GODDAMN GIANTS.
there was all kinds of crazy demon monsters and poisonous pterodactyls. for the best and craziest shit find a rabbi and ask him about wild shit those dudes make the final boss god tier DM`s.

>>12517001
>you want incest, with daughters raping thier drunk father? its in genesis
Well, given that said daughters grew up in Sodom, that's not too surprising

>>12516885
Keep in mind the Catholic church was the de facto Christian group until Luther started posting flyers. i.e, it's not a big deal they were added before the middle ages.

>>12517001
We need to write a setting. No Elves. No Dwarves. No fucking D&D goblins or orcs. 100% pure bible/Tora and Quran. We need to do this AND WE NEED TO DO THIS SHIT NOW!

>>12516936

I think that a game run in a sort of psuedo-Biblical setting would be pretty rad. You'd have inter-Tribal politics, divine revelation, horrific creatures that exude fear and awe from every metaphysical pore, and a half-insane bloodthirsty deity that demands perfection from his followers all ruled by a priestly caste. It wouldn't be intended as a sort of "Take that" to the Bible, though. No, I want this game to honor it by adhering to it as closely as possible in theme, which is an entirely different thing from whatever modern "Biblical Literalistic" claim, lying bastards. Honestly, Abrahamic mythology is pretty kickass and it just doesn't get that recognition. Plus, there'd be a lot of room for weird adversaries, too. The various Gods of Persia and Babylon, competing interpretations and faiths, mad desert-wizards, and the like. I think that the Bible is filled to the brim with awesome campaign ideas, and we just don't pay enough attention to what is supposedly the most influential text in the history of the world.

>>12517031
but there was shit like that in the bible. the tribes and nations of Canaan were fulled of all sorts of fucked up shit. and god help you if you read the shit that was running around PRE-Flood, that time period must have been some Event Horizon sort of shit.

>>12516872
>come at me, bro.

>>12517031
It's called the kabbalah. It's pretty boring actually.

>>12517024
arrrrgh, catholicfags, why don't you stop with that sh%t?
Orthodoxy was there first. Then came the schism and Catholicism went on its merry way into depravity of clergy, inquisition (although heresies that provoked inquisition got those reactions everywhere),papocesarism and as a consequence, cesarepapism and on and on and on

Christian mythology makes the Norse pantheon look small time. What would you rather have working for you? Valkyries or a something that looks like an H.P. Lovecraft inspired acid trip?

>>12517023
Still, you'd think the Man upstairs would've struck them down or something, as he just did with the city, but apparently he was A-OK with it.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18757_5-things-you-wont-believe-arent-in-bible.html
your welcome.

>>12517077
or a something that looks like an H.P. Lovecraft inspired acid trip THAT SINGS ABOUT HOW BOSS HIS BOSS IS?

not being a dick but fixed it for you.

>>12517076
First off, you can swear on this website. Cunt.

Second, I'm not catholic, I'm atheist. I was just trying to point out that the wings have been around for fucking ever. I just worded it poorly.

>>12517076
>implying constantinople was free of depravity

>>12517077

That's because the Norse pantheon was, in a very real way, small-time. They were man writ large, not incomprehensible elder beings. They were identifiably human, only greater, and subject to all the things that normal human dealt with. Odin is tricked by a young girl who sics the hounds on him. Thor can't cross the river due to an obstinate ferryman. They are fated to die at Ragnarok, the Doom of the Gods. They're supermen, not beyond men, and that's what makes Norse mythology compelling, I think.

>>12517076
>sh%t
>censoring naughty words
>on 4chan

>>12517124
No, actually it's elves and dwarves.

>>12516926
I have no idea what article you are talking about and I'm interested, give me something to search for it or just post the link

>>12517147

Elves and elves, you mean.

>>12517083
Well, Lot was pretty much the only decent man in Sodom, so he and his relatives got a pass. And, as you can remember, there were plenty of times when after doing some majorly wrong sh%t people were forgiven.
In fact, God's punishment generally wasn't directed at the wicked. It usually had some object lesson - like one he had given Abraham by stopping by and having a little civil chat

>>12517133
Censoring naughty words in general is laughable.
"G*d doesn't like the N-word"
Okay, thanks, you just said "nigger" in my HEAD and you can pretend to be above swearing. Good one, moralfag.

>>12517149
Someone else already did:
>>12517093

>>12517124
It is an interesting divergence. I mean, Odin had to permanently mutilate his body in order to get his wisdom.
Though I'm getting a minor exposure to Hinduism from an Art history class I have, and that is just all sorts of confusing. For a patriarchal society, Kali did not fuck around. Except when she kills Shiva, and then fucks around with him, or so I was told.

>>12517193

Unfortunately, my familiarity with Eastern religions and mythology is extremely limited, so I'll just have to take you at your word. It's something I plan on rectifying at some point, though.

Angels can be really cool enemies/allies if they're done right.

The only problem I face is portrayal of their motives. It's hard to decide what exactly they want out of humans, seeing as god is omnipotent and all. Also, wether or not to feature already named angels (Gabriel, for example) or make up entirely new names.

I guess that's up to whoever is doing the story though.

>>12517076

>catholic caesaropapists

The word refers to the influence of the byzantine emperors had in the eastern church. Goddammit people, learn your history.

>>12517119
Well, Patriarchy never reached the heights of depravity that Rome did, or so i heard. Though, it was dialed down by one of the more puritan Popes , of course. Heights and lows everywhere...

>>12516963
From wikipedia: In one of his forms, he has four faces and four thousand wings, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues, the number of which corresponds to the number of people inhabiting the Earth. He will be the last to die, recording and erasing constantly in a large book the names of men at birth and death

>>12517224

>seeing as god is omnipotent and all

Nah, he just says he is.

Mainly, he is busy with cock-measuring contests with other gods and encouraging his followers to kill their followers.

>>12517158
That's indeed what I meant.

>>12517165
>God's punishment generally wasn't directed at the wicked
Nor was it well aimed when it was.
What if the inhabitants of Sodom simply evacuated the city? Then they would get back, rebuild it and start off with the depravity again.

Also
>Lot was pretty much the only decent man in Sodom
He gave his daughters to a lustful mob to preserve the 'holiness' of two angels that were visiting his house.

>>12516872
Oh God, I want to troll my players with this.
ME: "You see a massive being with four heads, one of a lioness, one of a hawk, one of a bull, and the head of a man that makes up its chest. It stands on the four legs of a mighty bull, and wields a flaming sword in one hand and a sphere of unimaginably blinding light in the other."
PLAYER: "I cast Maximized Disintegrate!"
ME: "Well, you successfully killed the cherub, and Yahweh is pretty pissed off now."

>>12517249

"Hahaha, hey Dagon, come check this shit out!"
"For fuck's sake, YHWH, it's fucking 3 A.M., what the fuck do you want?"
"It's great! I told my guys that your guys worshiped the devil, and guess what? They totally believed me! Now they're actually burning down your high temple! Hahahaha!"
"Oh, you fuckhead. Wait. Is that my statue? THOSE CHUCKLEFUCKS ARE MELTING DOWN MY STATUE. THOSE COCKNUGGETS!"

>>12517284
Yep, that's virtue from 1000BCE.

>>12517225
Caesarepapism as i know the word occurs when the state undermines the church under itself. Like French kings did, after moving Popes to Avignon. Or when England just broke off from the main church. And later, with the princile "who owns the land, owns the faith". It was kinda natural reaction to Church trying to get state under itself.
Now, in the Bysanty, similar problems were occuring, without a doubt. But they had their own official POV: "symphony" - where church and state interact as equals and compliment each ither, since they deal with matters that, in principio do not intersect.
I use this term as i remember it; it's quite possible we were taught differently about it.

>>12517221
Another thing; apparently one day Shiva decided to stop having sex. His sexual energy turned him into a giant phallic symbol which would have destroyed the cosmos if the other gods didn't get a giant vaginal symbol to absorb the energy.
This is the sparknotes version, of course, but there is some wacky things in there (granted, the point of the story is that you need to keep your life in balance, and sexuality isn't inherently bad too).

>>12517284

Like I said earlier: traditional Biblical morality is basically incompatible with modern Western morality. The angels were of God, while his daughters were not only not of God but also merely female, and it would be moral to protect the Angels at any cost.

>>12517284
no, he offered his daughter to the gay rapist mob. they wanted some sweet angel man pussy, but then suddenly the angels put their reverse rape-faces on and burned out the mobs eyes.

>>12517239
>his whole body consists of eyes and tongues, the number of which corresponds to the number of people inhabiting the Earth.

Whoever wrote this down as a religious text probably didn't expect the post industrial age population boom.

>>12517291
>their face when they thought 'Cherubs' were those babies with wings

At first I thought that was the ridiculous space station from victory gundam

>>12517284
>What if the inhabitants of Sodom simply evacuated the city?
Well, it's not like they were warned, right?
>He gave his daughters to a lustful mob to preserve the 'holiness' of two angels that were visiting his house
Is that not decent enough for you? )

>>12517317
http://faculty.cua.edu/Pennington/ChurchHistory220/LectureTwo/caesaropapism.htm

>It was normal practice, however, for the Eastern Roman emperor to act as the protector of the uiniversal church and as the manager of its administrative affairs . . . Emperors presided over councils, and their will was decisive in the appointment of patriarchs and in determining the territorial limits of their jurisdiction . . .

"State undermining the church" has many words describing it, caesaropapism is not merely removal of power from a religious institution and handing it out to a secular one like what happened in western reformation. The state and the church in the East were certainly not living in happy harmony either, in fact even the slavophiles of 19th century didn't dare to claim such of the most recent periods (Peter the Great and onwards). The word Caesaropapism has first and foremost always referred to the Byzantine Empire.

>>12517291
In hindsight, the "blinding light" might be a give away.
Now "4 faces 4,000 wings body made of nothing but tongues and eyes" would receive instant and total annihilation.

>>12516419
Ezekiel saw the wheel, a rollin'
waaaay up in the middle of the air?

The big wheel runn-a by faith,
the little wheel run by the grace of god,
a wheel in the air?

An important fact.
Angels have no real free will. They are psychopathic tools of YHWH. Remember that if you plan on using these.
Also, I've always liked the word YHWH. It sounds so... alien.

>>12517340
>>12517239
Sounds like a job for...
BALL OF ARMS MAN

>>12517394
>Well, it's not like they were warned, right?
I thought the bombardment lasted for a while. Someone could've gotten out. Unless YHVH actually tossed a nuke.

>Is that not decent enough for you?
...
Well played.

>>12517444
Speaking of lots of appendages, there actually is a Greek supernatural race with like one hundred eyes and fists just so they can see everything and punch it to death. I'd watch that grudge match.

>>12517400
It's probably my bias at work when i acknoledge that as true but do not see it as something negative - except for what Peter did. He single-handedly shattered almost everything that constituted russian system - religion, social classes, culture; almost the monarchic system itself...

>>12517436
It's interesting to think what happens when they somehow gain their own will.

>You showed me we can do anything. So I'm trying... Everything.

>>12517475

>He single-handedly shattered almost everything that constituted russian system - religion, social classes, culture; almost the monarchic system itself...

This is a criticism that also originates from 19th century slavophile movement, and although there are many reasons I don't agree with it, it's interesting to see it still manages to surface from time to time.

>>12517461
Gotten out? Well, considering that people were turned into salt statues as a failsafe, i don't think so.

This long in the thread an no mention of AdEva? For shame.

This guy doesn't look like a frontal assault sort of guy. So its either going to blast you in half or mindrape you into next week.

>>12517469
I think I saw something like that with a greek-sounding name in the 3.5 monster manual.

>>12517469

Hekatoncheires, I think? I'm not sure about the spelling.

>>12517513
>This is a criticism that also originates from 19th century slavophile movement
well, it's not like anything Peter did changed from 19 century till now...
>there are many reasons I don't agree with it
Could you share them?..

You know who fagged up the christianism? The cool kids of the Renaissance. There are some exceptions, though, like Grünewald.

>>12517045
Also the book of revelations. DAMN that would be awesome.

>>12517436
After all, free will apparently leads to sin. Sin isn't allowed in Heaven.
Which begs the question: what do dead humans do in Heaven? Every form of fun I can think of which doesn't include a sin is playing soccer with my friends, and I believe there's a sin there too...

>>12517523
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Fifty heads, one hundred arms, stronger then a Titan.
...Fuck, the real worlds boring sometimes.

>>12517567

Soccer was outlawed by Protestants in the colonies for being too sinful.

>>12517567
You get to stare at God and sing His praises.
Enjoy.

>>12517567
The Bible states that we will be changed, to be like God, in the blink of an eye - I believe that we will understand the grand picture, and we won't "need" fun.

Of course, that's one Christian's understanding of the matter - it could be completely wrong. :D

>>12517581
Holy shit, I got it (almost) right!

>>12517567
As a more serious answer, as sin is purged from the human soul via ascension to heaven, the desire to do sinful things also fades. Heaven is an eternity of joyously contemplating the truth of God.

>>12517567
I've always heard that you are with God, which leads to ultimate happiness.
Which is really just peace. At that point you don't really need free will, since you don't really need anything.
Safe to say, it is a form of existence that cannot really be explained, since it isn't possible to experience within 'life.' Be like explaining 'color' to someone who was born blind.

>>12516917
Yeah but you're a Catholic. Christians (Protestants) have to read the bible themselves. We have several "One Year" bibles that people can use to read the entire bible through in a year. I've done it once or twice myself. I think my dad is on number 4 now.

Christians (non-Catholic Christians) *do* read the bible, and are encouraged to study it. But even when we do read the bible all the way through there is theology, dogma, that strings all the inconsistencies together and tries to make sense of the whole. But really what it does is it strings all the inconsistencies together LOOSELY, with tons of "plot-holes", to serve a specific interpretation of the bible. All modern Christianity is way messed up beyond repair.

But we read our bibles.

>>12517757
Um.

I worked for quite a while at a Catholic book store. One of the most common things we sold were study bibles, along with the apologetics and the like. Catholics -do- read the bible; they're also encouraged to read the Liturgy of the Hours and other supplemental material.

This is entering into "hurp durp how dare they butter their bread on the bottom"/"durp hurp how dare they butter their bread on the top" territory here though. The stereotype is that no one actually reads the thing because they're either 1) too busy rejecting it or 2) too busy being sure they remember what's in there, when in reality it is answer 3) they're just too busy living period.

>>12517757
>Hurr Catholics don't read

gb2/thereformation/

>>12517871
As an addendum, you would be surprised by the number of intellectual brawls I had to break up there due to people arguing over which damn translation to read.

>>12517871
I would agree, but every freaking week like around 3pm or when you are actually busy or trying to sleep a bunch of preacher is at your door trying to convert you.
The problem is most of the time they have no fucking clue what they are talking about, and you can make them fall under their own words and call them Antichrist and see them crumble all over in panic.
Is a sad show really.
They might be the minority, but really almost every Christian or Catholics that starts talking about the bible has his things mix up and raging hard when a non believer corrects them

>>12517983

Even though it's not particularly accurate, I prefer the KJV just because I like how it's written.

>>12518067
uh lrn to catholicism. going door to door is a retarded american protestant thing. catholics dont go door to door. when american brand protestantism started sprouting up, the more annoying factions just so happened to have evengelicalism in their rulebook. "oh we can go door to door, it's part of our religion lolz".

how fucking convienient you goddamn mormons.

Cherubim.

I'm an atheist and what is this

>>12517871
>>12517891
Catholics don't read as much.

Catholics go to priests to get confess their sins rather than confessing it directly to God. Protestants confess their sins directly to God. I've dated Catholics, I've had bosses who were Catholics, and many friends who were Catholics. I've been to mass several times. You go into mass, you get your rituals and your readings and all that done, you go home, and you have almost no personal responsibility for your spirituality, including reading the bible. You want your sins forgiven? You go BACK to the Church. You want anything done? You go back to the fucking Church. Get the picture? Catholicism discourages initiative. It wants dependents, even more so than Protestantism.

>>12518155
Just the crazy shit that goes down in the Word that's not really mentioned in modern times.
Like an angel with four thousand wings and is (if he were to exist) made up of 6.5 billion eyes and tongues.

Seraphim.

FEAR NOT, HUMAN FOR I HAVE COME--

I SAID, FEAR NOT, HUMAN--

SERIOUSLY, DUDE, STOP SCREAMING FOR A SECOND, I'M TOTALLY HERE TO HELP YOU OUT.

That's the problem with dogma, thanks to humanity these things no longer exist

Hell purgatory was writen out too

>>12518117
I was talking from South America, yah they are evangelist. But still most of the christians and chatholics know nothing about their own book.

CHRISTIANITY. IS. AWESOME. This thread is awesome! It's all so awesome!

Also, try not to think too much on the whole, "He was going to give his daughter to a rape mob!" thing. One way to look at the Old Testament is that YHWH is trying to guide humanity to the right place by any means necessary rather than being much to harsh in his criticisms of mankind. Part of doing that is.. sort of working AROUND your own creation to a great extent. If the law of the time of these fucked up little meat creatures says women are property, and are treated accordingly (raised to be useless besides for bartering), you sorta got to roll with it. Free will is frustrating like that. You can't just MAKE humanity do what you want.

This line of thought goes a long way in explaining a lot of screwy things in general.. and mismatching values as compared to modern times. You gotta make humans go down the right path (by making them run away screaming down it like wussy little girls) and try not to sweat the small stuff.

You can't exactly deny that humanity isn't improving over time. Sometimes it's two steps forwards one step back, but we always make at least the one step.

(Too Late Disclaimer: This post was made entirely from a "if you want to justify this shit religiously" point of view)

>>12518247

You know, I'm rather fond of the Immortals Handbook. I could never conceivably use it in an actual game if only because it'd be easier and more enjoyable to simply drive railway spikes into my skull and skip the middle-man, but I like that it exists and I think that it was well-done, even if it propagates the abysmal CR system.

>>12518247
>Assuming you do not die when you gaze upon it.

>Angel appears
>Everyone dies

>>12516609
...I'm pretty sure that's not in my Bible. Which book are you reading in?

> the gosmiess

>>12518423
read on, 88 HD to "save" but can use 1-4 wings to block effect by 22 HD each

>>12518325
I think that if you don't take it so damn literally and just use the stories, as, well, stories, you can get some value out of it, even if it is just to consider a different point of view.
But then you've got those loonies trying to raise up armies to kick out all of the non-WASPs in America fucking everything up.

>>12518325
>You can't exactly deny that humanity isn't improving over time.
Double negative?

>>12518429

Ezekiel. Of course, a lot of this stuff was written in scriptures or other texts that, for one reason or another, were not included in the early Bible but still represent early Christian/Judeochristian faith.

>>12518436

I rather like the description, "explode with rapture," I like to think that rainbows start bursting out of their eyes and ears until they go mini-supernova.

>>12516624
modern christianity here. answer? its fucking badass.

>>12518445
Oops.

How that happen?

>>12518439
>don't take it so damn literally

SCCRREEEEWW. YOOOOOOU!

I want my giant screaming head made of lion goat fgglbyggglbll..

>>12518499
Oh, no, I mean you can take the next world stuff literally.
But not things like "Man was sculpted from mud," and "stone adulterers to death."
Instead "Mankind is a product of Earth (mud)," and "people who agree to monogamous relationships and then screw around are poor of character, and should not be praised."
If you choose to follow the Book of course. Plenty of secular reasons for both of those too.

Threads like this are why I'm so glad the senior English teacher at my high school campaigned so that bible as literature could be taken for an English credit. Lotta crazies in that class, but the teacher was great and the bible is an incredibly interesting read. Never regretted the choice.

(Also trollan the devout Christians with differing opinions and not giving a fuck was great)

>>12518536
>Oh, no, I mean you can take the next world stuff literally.
Yaaaaaay~

I want to go insane from seeing a giant wheel within wheels covered eyes one day.

>>12518153
>>12518247

>Cherubim are 173 feet in length, approximately 115 feet at the shoulder. They weight close to 2,097,152 tons (4,194,300,000 pounds).

>Seraphim are some 508 feet long (including tail), and weigh 262,144 tons (524,280,000 pounds).

One never knows when the exact dimensions and mass of angels of the First Sphere shall become relevant.

The author of the +mmortals +andbook series, Craig Cochrane, has such an inexplicable fixation on the concept of density that I believe him to actually be Suika Ibuki. According to his posts in his forum in ENWorld, the physical dimensions and mass of each of his monsters are calculated precisely using their Hit Dice, intended size category, and Strength score as a basis.

>>12518153
So they ignore common angelic descriptions, and STILL GET CHERUBIM WRONG. Nothing about it is actually right.

And why is the cherub the burning one? Seraphim have it right there in the name.

>>12518403
I agree. It's like a Dwarf Fortress artifact toy boat. Sure, it's utterly useless, but damn if it isn't encircled by some bad-add obsidian spikes.

>>12518663
>So they ignore common angelic descriptions, and STILL GET CHERUBIM WRONG.
No, the Immortal's Handbook has it right.
It's just that the Holy Bible has had it wrong all these years.

>>12518734
Yes. This is obviously the most sensible reason.

>>12518734

Clearly Craig Cochrane is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

And he plays 3.5.

>>12518979

NOT ANYMORE, ACTUALLY. HE'S WORKING ON A 4E VERSION OF +MMORTALS +ANDBOOK.

>>12519009

Oh, all right. Allow me to rephrase that. Clearly Craig Cochrane is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

And he plays multiple editions of D&D in addition to possibly other as-yet unknown gaming systems. And is also obsessed with density.

Fucking more please.
These are the -true- Judeo-christian creatures which I seek.

I'm going to eventually litter them in my campaign where the players have to fight back both the hordes of hell and the legions of heaven. Their only source of sanctuary is a very powerful celestial/infernal hybrid.

>>12519079

Celestial/Infernal Hybrid? How does that work? And why is it powerful?

i think it more interesting to take these as primitive descriptions of spacecraft, lights = eyes, wings = wings (not flapping) faces= contpits or engines

>>12519105
Something I saw earlier, it was called a Ardent Destroyer or *something* Destroyer. I only got a slight glimpse at it though.

Basically those things -aren't- supposed to exist (opposite energies neutralizing), but under the right conditions they can be brought to existence. However, the natural discord of their energy can cause them to have violent energy switches and emotional/mental switches. They do have one major advantage, they are not necessarily bound to either side's limits and therefore are allowed to expand in power as far as they can as long as they can control it.

Basically, it's an entity of no rules but the ones it follows itself with exceedingly violent energy outbursts if not under extreme control.

>>12519156

Uh-huh. Not really my cup of tea, but whatever. Have more angels.

One of my favorite pictures right here.

Something a bit more medieval. Unfortunately, there just aren't all that many good biblical angel pictures.

>>12519175
I was kinda stumped on what to make the major source of help as both sides of "good" and "evil" will be constant enemies to the players.

>>12519230

Any being that doesn't like the wars wracking the multiverse, I assume. Maybe a deity not aligned either with heaven or hell dedicated to protection who sees it as his/her duty to protect the characters as well as the rest of creation. Maybe even a sentient plane. I dunno. I'm just not overly fond of the half-demon/half-angel thing, as it strikes me as a bit trite.

>>12519230
Have you ever read Good Omens? The book is about the end of the world and an angel and demon who are trying to stop it. The angel thought heaven was just way too boring and the demon thought Earth was a peaceful change of pace.

Archive?

It's a good thread, we've got some very nice information here with little actual trolling.

>>12519344

Go for it. I don't really care either way.

Hilariously, Im working on how to include the Hechtonchries, or however you spell it. Into my Ad Eva Campaign. Ive so far mangled Nix Into a bizzare form of Adam that is controlling the various angel analogues and Turned Phanos into a God-egg that is liable to hatch and cause thrid impact with the right buttons.

There's a reason why in the bible the first things angels say is "do not be afraid" and the second thing they say is that they are not gods and for those present not to worship them.

Also, Lucifer and his fallen are different from the grigori and their nephilim children. I guess the war in heaven happened before? after?

Don't you play fallen angels in Demon the Fallen, with nephilim/grigori as your main antagonists?

I can't believe noone has brought up AdEva yet.

I mean hell, I could have wrapped OP's request up inside a post if I cared to.

Fuck why are there no good big white kami pictures.

Because kamigawa was basically transent in a similar way (both source materials have that)

OK PEOPLE
so I started this thread... I'm not sure why. I've been fascinated by this stuff lately and used Ezekiel's vision as a description in a sort story I wrote for a class (college). I posted in here for a little while then was off to the library to attend to my studies.

Upon my return I find this glorious thread and I remembered why I posted this in the first place. I FUCKING LOVE /tg/


>>also those 3.5 stats make me lmao

>>roll to hit
>>"20"
>>roll to confirm and you may want to use in action point cause you need to get over 256

>>12517340
You're forgetting (or are unaware) of the descriptions of angels of astronomic size.

>>12519440
>>12519379
This is what happens when I don't refresh immediately before posting.

I LOOK STUPID.

Honestly though OPs pic could really be suitable for just about anything churned out of the angel generator.

>>12519344
>>12519344
>>12519344
>>12519344
I'm down with this

>>12519438
>Don't you play fallen angels in Demon the Fallen, with nephilim/grigori as your main antagonists?

In DtF, the grigori were an experiment performed by the Fallen which got slightly out of hand. The Kaballah gets a little weird as to when on earth the nephilium actually showed up, but they and their off-spring were the reason for the flood.

They also did terrible things, like teaching humanity how to write and do math. The bastards.

this thread is so epic it should be archived.
Also moot sound attach theme music to it.
I suggest this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoaUYcwEpSw

Who wants to run a CoC game featuring, not eldritch horrors, but Seraphim/Cherubim/Metatron, and not investigators, but Atheists?

>>12519627

I've never heard of these guys before, but now I love ALL OF THEIR MUSIC, being a big fan of trailer/epic music myself.

And so it has been archived. You know where to go.

"In Heaven I have four heads and one of them is a lion."

>>12519684
ES POSTHUMUS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMuj8SP6zwc

CLINT MANSELL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3z_4bka2fc

CORNER STONE CUES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLxIZP1ZrpY&feature=related

enjoy

bump

>>12519568

To be fair, they became enamored with mankind and slept around, accidentally breeding a race of giant monsters. Maybe. The translation's a little shaky.

>>12519741
Fuck yeah, Supernatural.

Their depiction of angels is great. Especially how arrogant and single-minded they are.

>>12522960
related

shameless bump

Needs more Old Deckard Cain givving the pcs advice.

Bamp.

Not a Christian, but I love the fanfic. Anyone got any more epic biblical shots or descriptions of the rapture?

>>12519741
What a cocksucker.

I was so glad when his ass got nuked by the exact guy that he kept calling a "weak little mudmonkey"

Humanity fuck yeah.

one more bump, and then i think we can all agree this thread has run its course

>>12516667
I feel the need to point out that, in the book of Isaiah, a serpent-like flame with wings is referred to as a seraph, and touches the soon-to-be prophets lips with a hot coal.

God doesn't sound too different from the Chojin in Urotsukidoji

>>12529805

I am unfamiliar with that reference.

I can't believe this hasn't turned into a "I'm still angry I had to get up early on Sundays" bitch fest yet.

I'm proud of you /tg/.

>>12531308
>Implying /tg/ isn't so athiest

>>12531324
Their religion of choice isn't the issue. It's the maturity and intelligent discussion about a topic that makes normally sane people froth and foam at the mouth and turn into gibbering children that's impressive.

>>12524643
I will admit, Castiel remains one of my favorite characters in this entire damn series. He's so damn awkward...

What is he supposed to be again? Just an angel, right? Not one of the Powers?

>>12531357
This is pretty standard /tg/ man.
DISCUSSION CLUB ALMIGHTY. We devour information and shit systems that govern universes

>>12518247
>>12518153

Has anyone on /tg/ actually ran a game using the Immortal's Handbook? Is it even possible without taking sanity damage?

>>12531375
Castiel's just a footsoldier angel.

Or he was, until the end of Season Five. Now he's something better, although they're not specific about it.

HOW IS THIS THREAD STILL ALIVE?@!???@?@

>>12531633
By the grace if G-d?

>>12531644

DEUS LO VULT!

>>12531633

The Thrones will it!
It demands to be made into a system and setting.

Alternate timeline setting: What if.... the great flood never happened!

>>12533071
What if Babel never fell!
What if Sodom and Gomora didn't get glassed!
What if the war in heaven escalated! The watcher angels who fell to earth tought Humanity magical wards and signs to defend themselves against the other angels. Training us to be used as cannon fodder for the war in heaven, with their half breed children leading us to war!

>>12517124
This guy has a point...I think I have found Irelands new Taoiseach!

>>12518663
Personally, I believe that those calculations are due to the fact they exist in a dimension above ours and can not be perceived that well to people in this dimension.

>>12533117
BEHOLD THE ANGELS OF THE TWELVE DIMENSIONS, FLYING THROUGH THE MULTIFACETED COSMOS UPON WINGS OF PURE PROBABILITY AS THEIR QUANTUM VISAGES REBOUND FROM ONE ENERGY LEVEL TO THE NEXT! THEY HAVE EVOLVED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY KNOW BOTH THEIR SPEED AND LOCATION, AND TO SEE THEM IN THEIR FULL GLORY IS TO REALIZE YOUR OWN TRUE PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE, ONLY TO BE DESTROYED BY THAT KNOWLEDGE!

good try

Hold on a second, this damn thread is still here?

>>12533104

Now, are you nominating me for Taoiseach of Ireland, or the monkey?

>>12535921

Hey, we once had a Dominions 3 thread last from Monday to the following Monday.

>>12535969
Aku pretender, awesome!

Jeez, you guys are like a factory. Pics go in, campaign ideas come out.

Anyhow, I think you all need to read "Off Armageddon Reef." It's got a kickass medieval setting with a sci-fi backstory and deals with the use of religion as crowd control. Have at it!

>>12536275
Most of the time when I save pics from TG it's because they give me ideas for campaigns, settings, or encounters.

>>12535993
Now can you guess why Aku sucks from a gameplay perspective? As much as I love him, he's just not very good.

>>12536275
I'll look in to it.

>>12536436
210 points for a chassis with astral one? That's begging to be mage dueled to death.

The bible only explicitly states death if you look upon YHWH's face, which is why moses was only allowed to see the back of his head when discussing the Ten COmmandments.

>>12537117
Just so. Admittedly, it is Immortal which negates the sting somewhat, and it does have a dragon form, but it can be easily neutralized by any solid player and won't have good magic paths or good scales to fall back on.

>>12538706
People looked at Angels, though. Admittedly, they flipped the shit out, but they didn't die just by looking as is the case with ol' Tetragrammaton. Besides, dying by looking at the true face of God doesn't seem like a bad way to go.

>>12517031
There is a setting like that already:
http://rapidshare.com/files/73562165/testament_-_roleplaying_in_the_biblical_era.pdf.html

>>12539048

How is it? I'd seen it before, but I didn't give it much thought at the time.

>>12539206
It's pretty great thematically, not so sure about crunchy part.

>>12539365

Thematic is just fine. I don't really need the crunch, so long as there's a springboard for ideas. Thanks for the share.

Personally, I've been using bibilical accounts of angels COMBINED with ufo accounts of cryptids for my campaign's eldrich abominations.

So, azreal + mothman got me this

A fractal-like expanding circle of black wings covered in red glowing eyes that cause you go blind , deaf and mute when you hear it singing with the voices of a 1000 dead men?

>>12539548

That works, too. Angels + damn near anything can be a suitably awesome eldritch horror, and I use awesome in the old sense of the word here.

Not letting this thread die.

Also, this "My body is burning lines" angel looks somewhat interesting to me.

>>12539548

Keep talking...

>>12544306

I like this idea for an encounter - the pc's encounter a heavenly creature that tells them "to have no fear". The PC"s immediately KNOW without a doubt, the creature is telling the truth.

It then proceeds to tear them a new asshole and eat their flesh, since you know, just because angels can MAKE you believe anything, doesn't mean you should.

Also, I like the idea that angels might be the equivalent of heavenly automatons, incapable of really making decisions for themselves. Perhaps Satan is the result of a failure of some heavenly equivalent of the 3 laws?

>>12544348
Reminds me of a quote from Megas XLR.

"Do not panic. I will destroy you all."

>>12544368
Do not panic. You will all die.

and

Surrender and I will destroy you peacefully.

>he comes

Could you guys tell me the passages where they describe the look of the angels?

Final battle is at the top of the tower of babel. You fight through 10,000 floors until you reach heaven itself.

>>12547532
Your description reminded me of "devil survivor"

How would you go about MegaTen on the tabletop?

>>12547027

Ezekiel 1:1 through Ezekiel 1:17 describes the Cherubim.

>>12547027

Isaiah 6 has Seraphs.

>>12547532
So is there a Cyberdemon at the top?