Background:
*Click* The muffled click isn't reassuring. Maybe in some contexts it would be. But there's a barrel in your field of vision, so the click of a hammer being pulled back is doing nothing but making you think that you're in the wrong line of work. You open your mouth to say something, but a pair of hands quickly wraps over throat and mouth, forcefully keeping you down in the bed that only moments before you'd been sleeping comfortably in.
“He's awake.”
“Good, these fucking bastards deserve to be awake for this.”
“Just do it.”
“Oh I will, but my brother was in Tango on the Ark Royal”
“Bloody hell. Yeah, go ahead then, take your time with him.”
The hushed whispers race through your brain, the words not connected to events, almost displaced from reality. The gun aimed between your eyes though, that is clearly real.

Your mind is racing, trying to figure out what is going on, when suddenly a deafening explosions tears across the silence and the gun disappears. The hands on your throat slacken as a huge weight collapses on you, and moments later you feel a warm wet feeling on your face and chest, the familiar copper tang of blood in your mouth and nose. Slowly you begin to hear the sound of gunfire and shouting as the ringing in your ears subsides.
“Deux. Solide.”
“Bon, le pilote est sauf?”
“Sais pas.”
“Bien, va regardez estit!”
You feel the weight lifted and suddenly you're being hefted out of bed roughly by your flight suit.
“Ami! Allo, pay attention! We're under attack, surprise assault, we're pulling out, you understand?”
You don't, but you nod your head anyway at the man shouting at you as he holds you upright. Over his shoulder you can see another holding a gun that keeps firing out of your tent.

“Il comprend! Allright, allons-y mon ami! We get to the hangars, you fly us out, here take this if it gets rough, you know how to use it yes?”
You feel a weight slapped into your hand, your fingers making out the pistol's grip. You nod again, it seems like the right response. A quick glance around shows that your bed is covered in blood, and the ragged corpses of the mysterious intruders lay motionless on the ground next to it. A nearby explosion snaps you back to the more pressing issue of getting off the airfield alive.

HUMINT: None
ELINT: None
SATINT: None

Threat Assessment: Extreme.
ROE: Survive.

So yeah. This is different.

>>12453336
Everyone was still in the other thread. They'll be here momentarily.

HOLY SHIT YOUR BACK OP!

OH SH--

uhh...crap?

Guess I missed one or two...have they been posted to the P&M forums?

>>12453300
>>12453307
>>12453314
>>12453327
You guys are Fucked.
F
U
C
K
E
D

>>12453360
Not that I can see. Last mission I read was Barons death...

>>12453360
Last one was the BARS take-down.

>>12453363
On the other hand, from an RPG perspective, this is one of the better ways to introduce new characters with old ones and force them to work together.

Who do you think the kill team is/was?

I've missed a lot then. Any got the archive list? An up to date one that is?

>>12453384
Well probably some british mercs as they mention Ark Roayl.

SAS or any other british spec ops guys would have just shot him.

Oh yes. Yes. This is excellent. I suspect Steve is going to use another rules-set for personal ground combat, and then there might be some hairy low-altitude knife-fighting once you get wheels/skids up.

I've had this exact scenario happen in my X-COM game; my players fought their way back to the Skyranger, and then the pilot had to deal with a small UFO bouncing them as they got airborne. It was awesome.

First things first- search the bodies of the recently-gibbed British mercs for grenades, flashbangs, smoke grenades, and most importantly, body armor.

And get your hands on a goddamn rifle.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8633908
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8651744
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8663665
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8671001
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8690201
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8711026
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8750800
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8764141
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8787569
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8825955
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8962834
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9028091
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9070735
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9091532
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9133174
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9238394
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9444052
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9772662
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/10363067
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/10676512
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/10715809
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/10744415
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/10755664
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11040258
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11140708
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11177137
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11211605
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11232741
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11462388
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11912396

>ROE: SURVIVE
Welcome to War.

Buddy.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

So what's your new character flying, OP?
Also, got any more tasty rules? I think I read something about that in the previous thread...

Part 1
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8515581
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8526381
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8538520
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8562185
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8598508
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8606900
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8618962

>>12453406
I dunno, I bet they are an actual British unit. They could have just shot him, but special ops always likes to leave a message for certain types.

>>12453465
I haven't made a new character. From the email, this was sent out to everyone, so apparently we are all in the same situation, at least that is how I read it. The objective is pretty simple though, we just need to get out of there.

Op. It was nice knowing you.

I love the reversal though.

>>12453503
Any actual mechanics for the pilot character and what he can do when he's not in a cockpit or just freeform?

>Ark Royal
>mfw I recognize the converted carrier/sinking luxury cruiser joke

>>12453550
The cruiser was the Queen Vic.

>>12453550
Knew those war crimes would come back and bite us.

>>12453524
What reversal?

>>12453531

GURPS would probably work just fine for that- or even the rules from the Battletech RPG. Wherein you can bleed out from a single gunshot wound from a revolver.

>>12453568
Op and crew are shit hot pilots, and blow the shit out every thing when they are sitting on the plane. Now they are on the ground, not their element, in a firefight for their lives.

It's a reversal, and something I wasn't expecting. But this is Steve, so I should have expected the unexpected.

>>12453558
I know. Ark Royal was a Brit converted carrier operating in Somalia post-WW2, another was a carrier that sunk during WW2. Many Brit ships sailed under the name of Queen Vic, but I think at least some of her sister ships were dunked in the wars.

>>12453561
And as a pime taradox, no less.

Soooo...has there not been another mission since Baron's death then? If there hasn't i've actually not missed much.

I seem to have missed it...did his RIO survive and if he did will he be using him as his new character?

>>12453581
>operating in Somalia post-WW2
post-WW1, that is.

>>12453558
This. Ark Royal was the british answer to the whole cruise ship fiasco, which ended with their Harrier waing getting bounced by OPs flight followed by a demonstration of just how unfair a duel between subsonic fighter/bombers without radar-guided missiles and supersonic-capable fighters with radar-guided missiles can be. The Harriers did do some real damage once OPs flight got into a dogfight with them, but OP&Co still pretty much shredded Ark Royal's carrier wing to the point of it being inoperable as a combat unit.

>>12453587
Nope, this is the first one in a long time.

I am so pleased.

>>12453601
Ah good...haven't missed anything then. And I approve of your pic sir.

>>12453595
Oh crap, how could I have forgotten that. I was assuming the game was recycled back to a historical era, between the wars or after round 2. But this seems to make the most sense at the moment.

Still, it's all a mystery tour right now. We won't know better 'til the game kicks off and we get the first debrief, I think.

Still, yet again I have something new to look forward to on /tg/. I am extatic.

>>12453595
I think the one Tornado pilot was a man with balls of cast-iron plate.

Wait, wait, hold on here.

What is the other language in the briefing about?

>>12453314
I cranked my speakers and read the rest with this on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9fk-IuF8oY

>>12453620
It's French. It means this mission is awesome.

>>12453634
You, sir, have chosen well. A pity I didn't think of it myself considering I have nearly every song Two Steps has put out on the net.

>>12453620
French. I can't give a word-to-word translation, but just by my general idea of romanic languages and context suggests the FLF pwned the brit commandos trying to whack the pilot, and mostly just discussed whether the guy has any bullet holes in him.

My guess is that this is Baron's cockipt chum, the base is being shot to shit, and he's being asked to fly the FLF buddies out of there before everyone gets shot to shit.

>>12453465
>So what's your new character flying, OP?

The first plane he manages to get to is my guess

Moving targets can't be too picky about what vehicle to escape in.

>>12453652
It could also be a pilot on the base. Op said this went out to everyone, so maybe this means that every pilot was in a similar situation, and needs to scramble to get the fuck out.

>>12453655
inb4 "someone" steals one of the falcons bombing the base, carjack style.

Really. After the last one, I wouldn't discount the possibility.

>>12453674
Grand Theft Falcon was awesome.

Hugs is my Hero.

>>12453669
The assumption that it'd be Baron's weapons officer is mostly due to my personal desire to draw a connection between the previous character and this one.

And if it is, what should he call himself? His buddy was Baron, so... um... Count?

GET TO THE CHOPPA

Seriously, I was the first one to think of that?

Planes and Mercs is back!

>>12453691
Nope...just the first to voice it.

>Objective: Escape
>ROE: Survive

Damn, no punches pulled here.

Pictured is Hugs.

>>12453739
I love how much the sniper looks like Niko in that move.

And he's always on the phone with his cousin...

(Or was it brother, whatever)

From the previous thread:
>As much of Steve's additional rules as possible, please

Reply:
>I'll try my best.
>>12452686

Pic related

Just got an answer from Steve, scotch asked what we were doing, and Steve said that the background represents all of us, although each situation was a bit different obviously. The french are the FFL.
We're going to be using something called Phoenix Command, but Steve is making our data for it or something apparently. just did some research, it looks like a pretty complex system.

Anything you guys know about it?

Had to drop this one.

>>12453772
Oh, you know how it is. He's been apathetic about requests that have been showering since the first threads. I personally think it's a hint on the lines of "please do not inquire into the subject".

Steve may be good at what he does, but that doesn't mean he's benevolent in any measure.

>>12453791
I know that Steve is the only GM I would trust to run a Phoenix Command game.

>>12453791
Never heard of it, but looks like it's on /rs/

Will give it a look

>>12453815
I'd honestly not give them away, and sell them instead.

That being said, the stuff that the boys at PandM forum have come up with can be cobbled together into a halfway decent expansion.

>>12453815

OP again promised to dig those homebrew rules out, like, in the third or fourth thread (i.e. over a year ago) and basically found out that they don't really exist; at best just in the form of quick reference notes pulled out of Steve's head. Stuff like, certain aircraft require two or three rounds to hit full afterburner, because their engines need to spool up, etc, and extra "feats" for pilots, introduced on an as-needed basis ("I'm on a Boat!" was introduced when it was revealed they were going to be operating off a carrier for a few missions, for example.)

OP again just says "I'll try" now, because it's easier then explaining why these custom rules don't really exist in deliverable format in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THREAD. Honestly, it's nothing that I couldn't do myself, with some reference books.

Not familiar with PC myself but i'm sure some one here can give you something that might charitably called advice.

RUN OP! RUN

>>12453856
First thread dropped in March didn't it? I don't think it's been a year yet.

Wow. Rely on Steve to keep it sizzling.

This can go 2 ways, RP-wise. Either it's a quick intro to get yo back in the pilot seat and flying another mission. Or it is a first attempt of Steve to soften up the genre a bit and integrate the main focus of flying jets into more of an all encompassing roleplaying game.

If the latter is the case, do these things:
1) Search the bodies of the baddies for any identifying details or intelligence slipups. I once identified a black ops team by the first name stitched into one dead soldier's undies.

2) Check your plane, hangar and runway for booby traps as best you can. I have never seen an assassination where interdicting enemy extraction wasn't one of the first orders of business.

3) Get a good look at your rescuers. Ask them the important questions in the heat of battle when they're distracted. Who is their commanding officer? When did they get the mission? Is this an official rescue operation or a dark little secret of the FFL?

4) Have an emergency evacuation plan ready beforehand. Make sure your AtAs take out any bogeys while everyone else disappears in a different direction hugging the grass in silence. Have a safe meeting point and an alternate ready. Have code phrases to identify each other's messages, and inconspicuous signs to leave hints for your friends (Two white planks next to the runway of any airfield will indicate my heading - 70°, or something like that).

>>12453862

apropos of nothing, but am I the only one who rages like a motherfucker when in EVERY FUCKING MOVIE, some marine ninja dude on the ground has to put a laser designator on-target for airpower to hit it accurately?

HEY, HOLLYWOOD, CHECK THIS OUT. IT'S CALLED A MOTHER-FUCKING FLIR/LASER DESIGNATOR POD. CAN YOU FUCKING DIG IT

>>12453930
was scrolling past this thread and at first glace I thought that was a plane dropping another plane out of its bomb bay or something

>>12453930
Those things are notorious for hitting hospitals, temples, kindergardens, and refugee camps, albeit with incredible precision.

Boots on the ground give you that kind of situational awareness no drone or satellite can provide.

>>12453921
That is rather painful to look at if I do say so myself.

>>12453969
Yeah, I dislike Falcons as well.

>>12453930
OH WOW! I always wanted to know how Baby-Planes were made! Thank you for that pic! That clears everything up!

>>12453976
You haven't seen the A-10 birth pic?!

not sure how they're born, but this is how they are made.

>>12453595
Actually, that mission wasn't really a huge FUCK YEAH BLACKDOG moment. Hell's Aces managed to hold off against a massive force of Harriers and a few fighters (F-14s? Tornadoes?) but in the end, Ark Royale's air wing took down a considerable chunk of the company's assets before they could be evac'd and utterly obliterated the airfield, AND demonstrated that (at least, that early in the game) the Hell's Black Aces just were not ready to take on a proper government-funded military force.

It was basically a "you're not the biggest fish" mission. Because mercs survive, ultimately, only by the grace of the much better supported national armed forces of the world.

>>12453964

>Those things are notorious for hitting hospitals, temples, kindergardens, and refugee camps, albeit with incredible precision.Boots on the ground give you that kind of situational awareness no drone or satellite can provide.

Quite true, but that's simply an extension of the difficulty of identifying targets when you're 4,000 feet up moving at 550 knots. But HOLLAYVOOD loves to show that troops designating is needed even when the target would be easily identified from the air.

>>12454182
Hollywood fucked up Starship Troopers, Black Hawk Down and Charlie Wilson's War. What the fucking shit do you expect?

>>12454182
Because boot-slingers are more EXCITERATING due to HUMAN AILAMENT or something.

>>12454182
It is one of the few occasions where Army and Air Force can play together. Why won't you let them?

>>12454226
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMM-266
This count?

>>12453930
>B-1B with external ordnance
>because FUCK YOU SALT-II

Unless designator pods don't count, because I actually know shit about SALT

>>12454274
How does an airborne Marines unit contribute to Army/Air Force cooperation?

>>12454306
Because...

...shut up.

OP again posted a Viggen.
Is this a hint as to his new ride?

>>12454393
It would be sweet now that the Made In America limitation is moot.

>ROE: Survive.

There is only one rule in Planes and Mercs...

>>12454430
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKDzOnRydWk&feature=related

>>12454448

Yo buddy, you still alive?

Did Hell's Black Aces ever fly a missing man formation for Baron?

>>12454200
>poot

>>12454544
Do not mock mah frills.

>>12454511
The lawndart kind, at best. But my guess is negative, though. They're mercs. The best they can do for their wingmen is a stiff drink on a quiet day, and even then under constant fear of being bombed to the hell they deserve while too shitfaced to get out of the bunk.

They're mercenaries. They're bad people. They make orphans and widows for a living. They KILL orphans and widows for a living. They may be friends, but their life is one where callousness equals survival and empathy equals death. These guys are why we believe in things like hell.

And still, somehow, I can't help but be in awe over the lot, and the game they're part of.

>>12454592
Maybe because Hell's Black Aces, for mercenaries, have built a reputation out of doing some awesome shit? Like beating a whole country full of rampant militia senseless with napalm, slapping Mogadishu's shit up (and we all know that place is just fucking pirates, the real kind) and also teaching Libya to fuck the fucking fuck off and find better ways to commit their audaciously crazy international sociopolitical crimes.

In between handing the CIA and China their collective asses.

>waitingforOP.jpg

I think this might be the end for BlackFlag. If the British are moving in with a well-planned operation instead of just a reactionary one, there's a good chance that the CIA (who you guys blew off) are lending a hand as well.

Maybe this is Steve giving you all a final blaze of glory before starting up his new campaign.

>>12454844
Britain wouldn't just up and attack the FFL. This is most likely a covert operation of some kind, which severely limits assets, or a personal vendetta.

Incoming airstrike!

>>12454844

This would be one way to "blaze of glory" the game out of existence but I think Steve is more likely to let them get away by the skin of their teeth but end up being cut off from most of their resources in their escape...then killing them off a week later via intercept fighter group as they attempt to link back up with other Black Flag resources. And when they think another squadron of Black Flag aircraft are coming to their rescue it ends up being just another flight of enemies...and they go down knowing that they'd become to much of a liability to the company for them to support any longer.

Eh...just one take on it I guess.

>>12454880
My guess is on covert op that the FFL foiled partially...

Phoenix COmmand?

You poor bastards.

I am amazed we still haven't got any decent drawfaggings from this game.

>>12455340
It is flexible enough to opt out any overly intricate crunch. But I can see how a pilot would notice the difference between a shot off pinky and a shot off index finger.

>>12455431
LOL WUT?

>>12455476
RIP Sandman.

Manly Tears.

>>12455482
A beautiful example of the life of a fighter pilot.

Tends to end abruptly, unexpectedly, and often with a fucking building out of nowhere.

>>12455497
Let's be honest, mud pigs die from cumulogranite far more often then real fighter pilots.

>>12454014
Jesus fuck, if one of those guys so much as twitches the control stick two degrees in the wrong direction they both die.

How the fuck do they fit into the cockpit? Their balls must be the size of watermelons.

What I wouldn't give to be a part of this RPG.

>>12455561
They discuss the maneuver first, using sign language!

Is this archived?


Also, has no one pulled up a map of the area yet? We need to get shit done, and figure out an escape plan. FLying out is one option, but on foot or in a car isn't unpossible.

>>12455561
I believe that's the Russian aerial acrobatics team. And THE two only Su-37s in existence.

Display pilots: apparently, made of pure badass.

>>12455642
This is an SU-37, I don't think those are, they look like -27UBs to me.

>>12455666
On closer inspection, the shape of the fuselage leads me to believe you are correct. However, I cannot say with any certainty either way.

Whatever. Russian display pilots = BALLS OF STEEL

>>12455561
Relax, this is one of our older shoops.

>>12455726
Yeah, look again dude, that's not a shop. The inverted plane is ahead of, and further away from the camera then the other.

>>12455748
But why is the inverted plane's empennage attached to the other plane's engine, by struts of all things?

>>12455762
What? That's one of the ventral missile rails on the SU-27...

>>12455768
So why does it have a thrust vectoring nozzle at the end?

>>12455793
It doesn't.

>>12455922
Now you are just lying.

And I'm not gonna buy it unless Sukhoi explains it.

>>12456080
What thrust vectoring nozzle?

Also, Sukhoi doesn't get summoned that way. You have to lure her with photos of sexy flankers.

Alright then.

>>12454844
Blaze of glory? Meh. More like "beginning of glory". This is a perfect opportunity to ditch a corp-level employer in favor of a national one. So what if they're violated the rights and killed the citizens of two dozen nations already? Any one of them would employ them without a second thought, assuming they are the modern and "civilized" kind. That is, the ruthless, calculating kind.

>ellegent receptors

>“Deux. Solide.”
Two. Solid.
>“Bon, le pilote est sauf?”
Good. Is the pilot safe?
>“Sais pas.”
Dunno.
>“Bien, va regardez estit!”
Well, go look, dammit.

>“Il comprend! Allright, allons-y mon ami!"
He understands! Alright, let's go, my friend.

>Deux. Solide.
>Solide.
... wait. Who is your DM? No, not who, WHAT is your DM?

>>12456954
Steve, Canadian, 40s, Knows everything.

>>12456910
>>12456954
Huh?

Just to even out the AC:0-ness of this thread-

"Guess I'll try my hand at combat manoeuvring then. Excuse me while I take the lead. Follow me people!"

>>12457121

Maybe the use of "Solide" in that is some secret FFL battle code or somehting, that the ordinary person would not be expected to use in the correct context except by mind-boggling coincidence?

>>12457344
Oh come on, aren't we giving this guy a little too much credit?

Je ne parle pas francais, but I think it might just be a correct French colloquialism. An unremarkable feat from someone who lives in a country that has French as one of two official languages.

>>12457776
>>12457850

*shrug* Just an idea.

>>12457850
As a native French speaker, I can't think of an expression using 'solide' in that context.

>>12457878
...Which would indicate that it is in fact a literal translation of the English 'solid', comprehend?

>>12457878
"Still"?
"Stopped"?
"Inert"?

Perdu?

Que?

They'd use hand signals, not voice if they were real operators.

>>12458038
And maybe looked behind them.

>>12458038
Hard to convey that in an email describing the perception of a sleeping pilot under a dead Brit.

>>12458038
This might just be me, but if there are explosions going on, and the world is going to hell, voice might convey thoughts faster than signals.

FUCK YEAR!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKIzI5FCpU
Get some motherfuckers

>>12458937
Sorry, no.

This is PLanes and Mercs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX_iQqwYsuM

And this is them when an awesome battle occurs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em42XjJKSX8

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12453300

Archived

So, assuming OP makes it to the hangar or tarmac, what planes will he have to choose from?

What were the rest of the gang flying again? It's been a while...

>>12460688
Are you not aware of what P&M is based on?

>>12461291
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AnzglRqzTU

>>12461364
and that un squadron is an Area 88 game

>>12461516
True

OP_again's next campaign

In the pipe, five by five.

Anyone order a battalion?

>>12463234
Windhover: Garuda Team, come in. I'm here for you.
Avalanche: This is Avalanche. Garuda Team, thought you could use some cover
Sky Kid: This is Sky Kid to Garuda Team. Looks like we're having your party right here!
(skipping Snake Pit and Shamrock because all of their lines are nealy as bad as DANCE WITH THE ANGELS!)

AWACS: All planes, pound the hell out of that battalion, and don't get shot up in the process!

Best damn part of that game, in all honesty.

>>12463293
I disagree.

The sheer corniness of the lines makes that moment all the more FUCKYEAH

>>12463305
Well, that was my opinion, and you're allowed, good sir. I however wish I could shoot down Snake Pit the first time he mentions "intrest". And strafe the little girls before DANCE WITH THE ANGELS gets going.

sexy plane

>>12463725

I hope you meant the Cat in the background of that picture.

j/k

>>12464056
Don't disrespect the F-5

>>12465020
You mean MiG-28 ;)

>>12465125
The F-5 was Hollywood's enemy, never America's.

>>12465371
>>12454358
>>12453460
>>12453367
I think it's really nice how /tg/ keeps posting us practice targets.

>>12466106
No AA, you are the target practice

>>12466145
swadament
shouldabeenmoreclear

OP, if you can, get your hands on a G-36.

>>12467387
FFL carry FAMAS rifles, right?

>>12468716
Unless it is a black op. Probably AKs then. Or silenced 9mm.

>>12468716

>>12469336
obviously snipers.

>>12468910

They're fighting brits, so I'm gonna guess standard NATO, prolly FAMAS-2s.

OP these Harriers heard about your exploits and wish to be your waifu.

Hmm, French rifles vs L1A2s...

I can only think the victor will be the soldier who unjams his defective rifle first.

>>12469658
Do you mean the grenade launching cartridge?
Or maybe one of those?
L85A1 Rifle
L85A2 Rifle
L86A1 Light Support Weapon
L86A2 Light Support Weapon
L22A1 Carbine
L98A1 Cadet Rifle
L98A2 Cadet Rifle
PL-85
LEI SA80

>>12471234
All British rifles except the Bolt Action Lee Enfield.

Toss a bunch of rubber ball nades in there, sort em out later.

>>12469491

What have you done to me /tg/? Now I wanna stick my dick in a Harrier.

How this is gonna go down- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwX0XZ6lQCo#t=3m57s

>>12473078
Followed by that one scene from Les Chevaliers du Ciel with the Alpha Jet being pursued by a Mirage 2000

Helos are so much more rad.

Vietnam.
All the way.

Me love you long time.

>>12474159

>>12474699
That's an awfully mean thing to say about helicopters...

>>12474720

Dammit, I wanted to post the pic of the Hind with the D: face, but I can't find it!

So here's happy helo instead.

>>12474720
The Mi-28 is butt-ugly though...

Did this thread crash?

>>12474159
Loved that movie.

You don't have to be pretty to be deadly.

O hai /tg/.
Say, could you guys mount on some hardpoints and a gun?
Much appreciated.

Also: Please post fantasy/reversed wing sweep/rear prop planes.
We've seen all the practical ones several times over.

>>12478365

>>12478721
Gotta love Boeing, no fly-by-wire and an off-the-shelf turbofan :)

>>12478782
Don't all the X planes fly with borrowed engines?

>>12481532
Depends, off the shelf components make an x-plane cheaper, see the X-29's gear/engine for example. But some X planes need custom engines, and the engine becomes part of their total development cost.

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