THIS IS AN X-RATED PLANES AND MERCS EPISODE! VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED!

/Thirty Threads of Pure Awesome, thanks op.

Bracing for epic! Re-reading the mission logs.

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>>11040316
Talk about an out of focus photo...

>>11040258grandpa flying with son and grandkids

awwww it's a whole family

I've gone from six to midnight. WELCOME BACK OP! Again...

>>11040328
Hurr durr

Can someone remind me what the mission is? I think they all had to use helicopters in Zimbabwe or something.

New Zeonquest, mad gunman goes down, find fresh bottle of cider, Planes and Mercs goes online.

It's a good night, /tg/. It's a good night.

>>11040452
It's almost like /tg/ is self-correcting for the shitpost summer of the past few weeks.

I missed the last briefing, or was the last one a mission. I forget.

>>11040518
>>11040380
Helicopter mission already went down, new mission is Operation "Fuck Up Liberia's Shit Part Uno"

The helicopter mission went baaaad.

>>11040567
Really? I thought they handled it well.

The first thing we did was learn about our new base of operations. The french had done some pretty heavy modifying to give us a floating airport, the Medea, now christened “Vengeance” was a heavy bulk carrier with a flat top put on top. The main control bridge had been hacked off and a new one placed on the left side of the deck. The deck had two hip catapults, which launched towards the right, and a large ski jump at the bow. The ski jump had runs from the mid ship position, as well as the stern for a full load run. Recovery was done on a cross ramp pad with arrestors. Since flight operations were light, the layout was apparently not designed for both landing and takeoffs simultaneous, as only the midship ski jump run could be used if aircraft were landing. Defensively, the ship had quite a few systems, including a vertical launch ASTER and MISTRAL SAMs, as well as several GIAT 20mm point defense cannons. Internally the Vengeance had been hastily converted to hold some aircraft, although we were told the hangar was primitive, and compartmentalization had not been completed. Still, we were pretty happy with the modifications, and the Vengeance cruised at 20+ knots, so getting a good wind over the deck was easy (something that is apparently essential for carrier operations)

>>11040665
They crashed a chopper. Some of the hostages were killed, including the primary objective.

They all survived, but it was hardly a resounding success.

>>11040920
Seems like the frogs really like you. Or they felt bad about dumping the frogfoot into the ocean.

>>11040920
Can we get an opinion on how realistic this is?

>>11040981
The Catapults and moving the superstructure strike me as the tough bits, but putting a flight deck on a ship is pretty simple.

>>11040981
Well it's got the size and displacement, and turning other things into carriers is not unheard of (japan did it with a lot of battleships).

Just the scope of the modifications and the crew required to man the ship... the cost must be astronomical.

This would be the equivalent of the local lord giving the party a goddamn flying castle in a D&D game.

>>11041075
With automation these days, how much crew would you actually need?

>>11041090
Mechanics to service the planes, flight crew to get them ready when on deck, at least one engineer to service the ship, possibly more. A bridge crew, gunners, cooks...

It's not going to be the city that a supercarrier is. But you still need a good number of people to keep it floating.

Time for some fun cat and mouse with the AA..... someone is going to lose a plane.

I was going in the SEAD role, and since I didn't like the idea of getting shot at very much I took my Phantom, since losing it was better than losing the F-18. Scotch took his Viggen, which we found was carrier capable, especially with the ski jump. Hugs was fairly certain that he could have used his Flanker, but in the end opted out. He didn't want to spend a ton of money on an SU-33, so he acquired a Dassault Rafale, which was a little cheaper than the Russian plane, mostly because of our current employers. Judge decided to fly his A-6, and would use his big payload to help out with SEAD. I stocked up on HARMs and Sidewinders, making my aircraft very clean. Scotch took his Viggen with a similar load. Judge mounted a mixture of munitions, including some HARMs, two Exocets and two AGM-84Hs. Hugs took two SCALP EG munitions and four Anti-Radar AASMs, as well as some anti air MICAs. We had some idea of where the enemy SA-2 sites were, so we planned to hit those early, followed by sniffing for SEAD. The ship was a secondary target, but we didn't want to be in it's anti-air umbrella, nor did we want it to take out our carrier. With our weapon selections done, we all prepared to depart. With Scotch lining up for the Ski jump and the rest of us taxiing to the catapults.

Since none of us had opted for fuel tanks, preferring to not sacrifice manoeuvrability or payload, we had shelled out extra for Air to Air support, which the French provided with Etenards. We linked up outside the target zone, taking on a combat fuel load, before continuing toward the mainland. We started picking up ground based search radar, and descended low, trying to keep the horizon between us and the radar site. I stayed slightly higher with scotch, to sniff the radar sites a bit, since we really were going to be full fledged wild weasels. We pulled ahead of the other two aircraft, one because we wanted to be the first in the area, and two because Judge couldn't keep up with us even if he wanted to. Mind you, that didn't stop him from being effective, since when they had a close enough position, both Hugs and Judge fired their first salvos. One of Judge's expensive nineties era Slammers failed to light and dropped into the sea, but the other one raced ahead, followed by the Storm Shadow's from Hugs Rafale.

>>11041643
Liberia is so fucked.

Poor aircraft choice, should have chosen the JSF, not some french piece of shit.

>>11041756
Go fuck a goat. The Rafale is far superior to the JSF and looks amazing.

>>11041756

"Daddy would've given us Uzis."
"I don't think the car noticed the difference."

>>11041777
More importantly, where the hell would they have gotten their hands on an F-35?

I think we are missing the bigger picture here, that yet again, THE SKYHAWK HAS BEEN IGNORED!

>>11041471
Holy what? Frenchie Love! Got a Rafale up in here!

Finally, a modern plane!

Oh dear, I don't have any Rafales on this computer. Fix that, /tg/

>>11041818
Woah...

We've had an F-18 AND a SU-30MKI for some time, how are those not modern birds?

Hey Liberia...


REMEMBER US?!

>>11041807

They don't own a Skyhawk.

As you forgot your name.

>>11041846
Those are semi-modern, considering this takes place a few years in the future. Anyways, get some Rafale pictures in here.

(also my f5 button)

were did op go :O

>>11041846

>>11042024

He might've decided to type it all up at once before posting, or he got a phone call, or was distracted some other way.

>>11041846
i was reading the first two archives and i was disappointed that the OP didn't get the F-18, i believe its an underrated (seriously no one ever mentions it) but great multi-role aircraft.

when and why did you get it op?

>>11042072
If i recall correctly, he picked it up during the Russian campaign, as a reasonably priced all-rounder, that does a bit more all-rounding than the F4.

>>11042072
He got it a few missions ago. I think they were still working for Russia.

Just read through all the archives. All of the threads. It's good stuff.

He's having no luck with the F-18 however.

>>11042117
that sucks.

He should just get 4 rocket pods and just unleash hell one day.

if nothing else it'll make him feel better.

>>11042240
Why just four?

Sorry, got called away, back now, continuing writing.

>>11042396
Goddamn, I've never been attracted to the Hornet, but goddamn.

>>11042396

For some reason asymmetrical payloads always irritate me.

>>11042424
For you.

>>11042457
Nice balanced loadout.

>>11042328
i figured 4 rocket pods would pretty much be enough for anything if you shot them all at once.

also i don't know how many rocket pods you could fit to a f-18, i've seen 4 before.

>>11042539

Sure, one anything.

Problem is, there mission has a lot of anythings.

We continued to monitor the radar, and checked our timing. On schedule, one of the search sources went down, as the first cruise missile nailed the GPS location of an SA-2 site. Two more went down, as the other missiles nailed their targets. This lapse was short lived however, as a few more sites lit off, andgrily probing the sky. And we wouldn't be able to hide much longer. Hugs and Judge veered off slightly, to come in from a different angle, as Scotch nestled in tight alongside my left wing. Our job was to get in close and try to spook some of the SA-6s into revealing their locations, and to nail any remaining SA-2 systems that remained. Hugs called out that they had found their target, and climbed rapidly with Judge following. They slipped underneath the wings of the UN transport C-130 and throttled back to match pace, and began their slow approach to the city.

>>11042721

You guys are totally going to get the Liberians to shoot down UN air assets, aren't you. Even if it wasn't the plan.

Scotch and I breached the city's air defense network first, going from the occasional hit of search radar to the more persistent beeps of tracking radar. I launched at the last known SA-2 site that was still up, as my RIO began prioritizing targets. Outside of a certain range we were pretty confident that we wouldn't need to worry about small stuff, but the guidelines were big threats. Another radar went down, and then, they all began to switch off, apparently realizing what was going on. Scotch still sent two more HARMs rocketing into the city, but was unsure if he got a hit. I climbed slightly, and went into a tight orbit, ready to launch the moment another system lit off. Hugs and Judge then called in that their hiding spot was compromised, the C-130 was turning off it's track and heading out to sea again. A lone search radar went up for a moment, then dropped off again before I could secure a lock. The second one was not so lucky, as Scotch got a strong signal and sent off another HAARM at it. Not quick enough though, as the tell tale whine of a lock blared in his cockpit and puffs of white smoke angling out of the city confirmed that a salvo of missiles was on its way towards Scotch.

>>11042782
I think the Liberians are going to shoot down anything flying, from OP to the UN to Seagulls with a big enough RCS.

Suddenly Missiles.

Missiles Everywhere.

Oh Shit! The Liberian Air Force!

Scotch broke right as I pushed hard left, trying to bleed energy away from them. Luckily, this was unnecessary, as the guidance radar dropped and the SA-2s rumbled past, blind as bats, before detonating well past us. Hugs and Judge figured their free ride was over, and popped up, presenting yet another target. That is when the local SAM's went nuts. Several radars popped up, and smoke and fire billowed from launch locations throughout the city. Rockets tore up into the sky, and with a sickening realization, we quickly deduced that not all were headed for us. We began actively pushing countermeasures and jamming, trying to figure out what launches were headed for us, and who else had been targeted. Hugs deployed several of his rocket propelled anti-Radar bombs, and Judge sent a pair of HAARMs into the fray as well. I loosed two missiles at two targets, but both missed (one actually failed on launch) while Scotch couldn't launch due to his position away from the targets. We couldn't tell if our SEAD was working, since the radar operators were flipping off their systems, and turning them on again, in an attempt to misguide our shots. Because of the confusion and our own evasion, nearly all of the missiles fired at us missed. However, a lone SA-6 got a proximity hit on Judge, but he flew through it with minimal damage. The other aircraft in the air were less lucky.

>>11043119

Man, Liberia is so fucked now, they've gone done shot down UN aircraft! And civilians!

>>11043119
>The other aircraft in the air were less lucky.

Uh oh.

>>11043164
The Liberians have been fucked ever since they backstabbed Hell's Black Aces. This just means that the fucking will be deeper, harder, and without even the faintest hint of lube.

>>11043119
i would actually kill if it meant i could get to be a part of your gaming group.

>>11043291

That's actually how Steve selects players. He's training a cadre of deep sleeper agents, and getting away with your first kill is how you gain admission to the cell and the game.

The C-130 that Hugs and Judge had been using as cover narrowly missed being hit by an SA-2, but the SA-6 battery that had fired on Judge had also fired on the Herc, and the direct hit severed the left wing clean off. Unidentified targets began to trail black smoke through the sky or flash in a blaze of fire as the white smoke trails of missiles lanced into them. The radio was filled with panicked voices on 121.5 as the UN aircraft that survived radioed ceasefire calls. We turned off guard to not hear them. Hugs climbed, as Judge trundled back towards him. Our own sensors showed no more search radars active, no tracking, nothing. Judge switched on his TRAM and began heading towards the port, Hugs shadowing close by. They then changed their minds and headed north, and inland, to try and gain some protection from ground clutter, while Scotch and I orbited. I had two final anti-radiation missiles, while Scotch had a lone one under his wing. We both began nosing towards the city, turning to make a beeline for the port.

>>11043336
Are we still entertaining the notion that Steve is some black ops specialist?

>>11043397

All we know is that he's Canadian and somewhere in Ontario, IIRC, and not Toronto. My money is on CSIS spook.

>>11041874
That actually wasn't me. I just got here.

>>11043428
shit really. If he's in ottawa, then it might actually even be possible for me...

Now to find some one worthy to kill, i'm pretty sure if i can get away with something spectacular that steve will have to accept me.

>We turned off guard to not hear them

So, hundreds of innocents are dying and screaming for help and you turn down your radio volume...

Ice Cold.

>>11043462
If he is a CSIS agent promise to lock your car if you keep classified materials in it, and he'll probably offer you a job.

>>11043494

What're YOU gonna do for a C-130 minus a wing? At that point, it's all over but the screaming.

Oh lordy. Just finished reading what i'd missed. The UN isn't gonna be happy you launched a strike while their aircraft were still in the area. But then we've come to expect that sort of stuff from Steve. I've also got a sinking feeling that this mission is gonna go south real quick.

Nice to know i've got another Skyhawk buff out there to back me up now.

>>11043537
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bDNCac2N1o

What is a Tram?

Oh boy! i finally caught one of these threads in the making!

Also, why didn't anyone pick ALARMs and just popped them out on loiter mode? When those SA-6 radars turned on, they would just go pop, pop, pop.

>>11043650
Cost?

>>11043494
>Ice Cold.

Do they even have souls anymore? After all the innocent lives lost? By their hand or as a result of their actions?

>>11043650
>>11043672
Spendy but a nice choice...especially with that loiter ability. If i had known about em i probably would have opted for em if my current bird of choice could carry em.

>>11043494

Can't blame them. They have a paying customer and a job to do.

Besides, not much they can do for the people screaming on guard anyway.

>>11043763
About the only thing they could do would be blow them apart in mid-air to spare them the long fall, and mercy isn't worth as much as the ammo they'd expend to do it.

>>11043807

Unless there's a pretty good contractual bonus for it.

Then we got a call from the French, relaying to us that one of their special forces teams was being ambushed on a stretch of highway, and was requesting close air support. Scotch and I asked for the location, and found it to be slightly south of the city. The french troops were in danger of being overrun if we didn't provide any help, so Scotch turned out of formation and began pushing hard for the area. Judge meanwhile, was heading down the river valley towards the port area, emerging into the city a mere 100 ft above the water, as Hugs loitered behind. Judge was planning on sneaking up on the ship, and firing from just outside the lethal zone of its defenses. Then the first ground based AA came on line. No radar, just optical, but there was a lot of it as he flew along. He took another hit, this one more serious, causing some minor fluctuations in his control, forcing him to climb to five hundred feet. Hugs meanwhile couldn't spot many of the locations that were firing on Judge, but he did find one, and made a snap shot with his internal cannon, but missed. Judge was out of the safety of nap of the earth, and seconds later Hugs called out for him to break hard and dump flares, as he did the same, with several heat seekers of unidentified origin racing from the ground towards them.

makes me wonder why would there be UN flights around when Morocco already declared war and an attack was incoming. Surely they'd realize the Liberian AA systems would go weapons hot anytime?

>>11043913
UN and humanitarian agencies operate inside warzones to get refugees out or food in. Generally they operate with flightplans known to both sides. But the liberians have proved they aren't picky, and OP's group flies under the radar, so to speak.

ITT: fags that still havnt realized OP's shit is made up

>>11043983
It's a game, what do you expect, reality?

>>11043953
right, durr, have a skyhawk for taking my hurrness.

>>11043983
>Made up

Truck Bomb Mission.

I don't care if it's made up or make believe, it is a game and it is consistently entertaining. I much prefer reading these briefs and debriefs to seeing yet another groaning edition war.

why do people always miss when it matters most?

>>11044032
I loved that discussion.

"How do we make it look like a car bomb?"

>>11044036

Hello luv, what game is this?

>>11044157

Found it earlier today... gave me something to look forward to this year.

http://www.gamingshogun.com/Article/7060/DCS__A-10C_Producer_Interview_-_Exclusive_Screenshots.html

>>11044182
I wish there was someone making games like USAF or other Jane's Survey titles.

PLANE PORN!!!

Judge avoided the worst of it, but then took a round from the harbour area. He found the enemy ship and launched his final two missiles at it, as he struggled to get alitutde and turn away from the murderous fire. His missiles hit on the next turn, well, one of them did. The other was knocked down by anti-air fire. The one that did hit penetrated the rear quarter of the ship, and started a large fire, which soon enveloped a portion of the port. Hugs raced out over the water, following judge, as Judge began to count off the systems he was down. He could still fly, but one of his engines was smoking and he had lost most of his tail and part of his left wing. Scotch for his part, barrelled down on the spec forces group, just as he was informed to stay clear of the airport by our AWAACs who had detected departing UN flights. Scotch changed course a bit, and reassured the flight that he had no intention of shooting down a UN aircraft. He began his run, angling in towards the area, noting small arms fire along the highway. A thin line of green smoke marked the position of the enemy and he performed a flawless strafing run, stitching a line of cannon shells through the enemy chokehold.

>>11044378

Goddamnit. I *just* got done watching Caviliers du ciel again. last thing I need to see is mirages.

Man I love these threads but discussion peters off if OP doesn't post fast enough

I was loitering, waiting for another SAM radar to go off, when my aft section exploded. I was told that my intruments all went haywire, and my warning panel lit up light a Christmas tree. The Phantom began to violently shake as it lost true flight, falling into an uncontrolled spin. I tried to regain control, but failed, and I was told that my controls seemed unresponsive. There was a strong smell of burning in the cockpit, as we cartwheeled towards the ocean, and I didn't waste another second, pulling the ejection handles. At least that went right, rolling perfectly for a clean ejection, for both myself and my RIO. The Phantom I could see, as it continued downward, was on fire, and missing everything on the rear. It crashed into the sea, sending up a plume of water. I had had no warning, nothing at all.

>>11044430

How about some NotMirages?

He never leaves for too long, though. Let's ...

>Reads name of OP picture while typing this post up
>Knew it looked familiar, it was at the AFB in my city.

Let's just hang around. Most more plane pronz.

>>11044500
Oh shit

>>11044500

Damn, the Phantom is finally finished. At least you and your RIO survived!

Mission is going bad fast. One plane down, another badly damaged and basically out of action.

>>11044500
Oh noes! will this be the end of Planes and Mercs? Will all of us be left hanging without an ending? Will Op take another hour just to tell us what happened next?

>>11044500
Fuck, that Phantom was a piece of history!

>>11044540
Yeah, apparently they didn't take out all the SAMs.

>>11044512

See, in terms of delta-wing birds, the draken is still my favorite.

>>11044500

What the hell? No missile warning at all is strange... unless you got hit with a lucky couple cannon rounds but that sounds unlikely to take out the entire rear of the plane...

>>11044556
Op's writing style is hugely annoying, since he can end almost every post on a fucking cliffhanger.

And I love it.

The Phantom in better times.

>>11044368
Shit, so the boat is not sunk, just damaged...

>>11044590

IR guided weapon? Maybe fired by another fighter?

IRSTS wouldn't give a warning, would it?

>>11044568
I doubt that was a SAM, unless it was...some special kind.

Stealth missiles? They're possible.
Probably some lucky firing though.

>>11044646
Or maybe a hugeass 100mm round from that Destroyer...

>>11044679

That'd be a hell of a shot though.

Dat air break

As I was floating down, I saw two shapes roar past, turning towards Scotch's location. It turned out I had been jumped by two fighters, F-16s that had launched off the airbase, and were now turning towards Scotch's position. They had used the same tactic we had, shadowing a UN transport, to get lost in the clutter. I saw missiles streak off, but no resulting explosion. Scotch turned, burning hard to get into a good fight position. He volleyed off two sidewinders on a split second high yo yo pass, tagging one of the Falcon's barely. However, his maneuver put him straight into the gunsights of the second Falcon, which shot his Viggen up, leaving it smoking and losing altitude. Scotch turned out to sea, smoke trailing thickly, as the two Falcons lined up behind him. The lead Falcon fired a cannon burst, which nailed the Viggen again, tearing up what remained of the engine. Scotch ejected as the fireball ripped apart his aircraft. The Falcon's seemed pretty proud of their work, until the first French made missile blew the lead Falcon into tiny pieces.

>>11044866

DAMNIT! NOT THE VIGGEN!

>>11044866

2 of the longest lasting planes are now down, this mission has officially turned from bad to waaaay worse

>>11044866

You better have demanded extra pay for the frogs intel fuckup. SINCE THE SHIT DOES LIBERIA HAVE F-16S!?

Judge: Badly damaged!
Scotch: Plane dead, ejected.
Baron: Plane dead, ejected.
Hughes: A-ok for now!

>>11044866
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-
THEY'RE ON THEM!

also, in the meantime, i'd like to share with you some weapons charts i have lying around, if somebody else would like to contribute, i think it would be very helpful for all of our future games.

>>11044971

Gotta be hostile mercs.

wonder if the same ones from the Georgia ops?

goddamnfuckingflooddetection...

Hugs Rafale roared in after the lone Falcon, two more missiles rolling from it's wings, but both missed as the Falcon dumped chaff. Hugs and the Falcon began the longest continuous dogfight I'd seen so far, both struggling to get a lock on the other. Hugs finally got into position, but the range was too close and his quick gun shot missed. The viper rolled up, trying to get behind hugs, but the Rafale was proving it's aerodynamic worth as they chased each other around the sky. A final two missiles pushed out from the Falcon, but hugs beat them using kinetics and flares. The Falcon came in, but Hugs then hung the Rafale near a stall and the Falcon blew past, immediately attempting a scissors maneuver to try and regain the initiative. Hugs used the Rafales power to push the fighter into a pursuit, and after a snap roll and nose over, fired a heavy cannon burst. This time it was effective, as black smoke poured from the Falcon's exhaust and a fine mist of jet fuel streamed into the air from ruptured fuel tanks. Hugs considered blasting the Falcon out of the air, but instead, pulled along side long enough to get the other pilot's attention, then snapped a salute followed by the finger, and broke off, racing back out to the wounded Intruder, heading for home.

>>11045019

>>11044971

Its the Georgian Mercenaries....


IT HAS TO BE.

>>11045023

>A salute, then the finger

Now THAT IS MERC STYLE!

>>11045023
Well fuck, Steve is pulling out all the punches now. Competent pilots using smart tactics against you... And in halfway decent modern birds.

>>11044500

>Pop airbrakes and stomp on rudder stalling into a turn behind a mig and firing fox 2 at .3 miles

>Check /tg/ and see a PaM thread

Fuck yes.

>>11045031
dunno if i have anything else, will have to look harder

>>11045058
No, when that F-16 pilot ditches on the Liberian beachfront, he looks up out of his cracked canopy as a shadow falls over him.

He sees a disgruntled and sopping wet scotsman swearing a blue streak over top of him, just before taking a right hook to the jaw.

That is Mercs style.

I wonder if this mission can be considered a success, they didn't all that much of the SAM defenses it seems.

>>11043336

This may not actually be that far from standard CSIS operating procedure... essentially "Sure, we don't condone torture. But hey, you torture some evidence out of a guy, I'm sure we can find a place for you..."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/02/csis-torture.html

>>11045083
Oh yeah, repost.
Also >>11045058 DAMN RIGHT! GOT YOUR ASSES HANDED TO YOU AGAIN!
WHEN WILL YOU GIVE UP, DIXON OLD BOY?

>>11045114
"WELCOME TO LIBERIA YOU COCKSWILLING 'ASTARD!"

*PUNCH*

>>11045023

This is something I've always wondered about.


How hard would it be to get the attention of an opposing fighter pilot?

Cause I'd be trying to piss him off as much as possible.


I hope he can see this because I am doing it as hard as I can.

>>11045131

I dunno, the F-16 mercs just went 2 for 2. Thats not... bad I guess.

Of course, its no Black Aces good either. Then again they've bloodied the Aces nose better than anyone else has, though that is arguable given there were no fatalities involved (for the Black Aces, that first F-16 probably was toasted).

Actually, I love how the op got shot down because he split up from his wingman, and the two Falcons worked against him and Scotch.

>>11045163
Sweet Damn Hugs takes good looking planes.

>>11045115

Any run they come out alive from is a good one.

>>11045174
However, we now had a big problem, since I was floating in the Ocean, as was Scotch. It was decided that to speed things up, in the confusion Hugs and Judge would fly a second flight, using my F-18, to provide cover for a rescue chopper. We were picked up and safely brought back to the Vengeance, and we sat down to hear about our performance. We eliminated a good deal of the fixed and heavy SAM emplacements, but had not touched the enemy bunker, nor had we destroyed the enemy ship. That being said, the ship wasn't going anywhere for a while, so we had limited it as a threat to us. The F-16s were an issue, since we had no clue they were going to be there, and made us suspect that this campaign was going to be a little harder then ones we had fought before. We all agreed that we'd need to modernize our aircraft since the older ones just were not going to cut it, especially if we got in close in a fight.

As far as opening moves go, that wasn't bad, I'm anxious to find out what your next mission is going to be, I suspect that you're going on a few CAPs, probably to find those other mercs.

The F-16 guys you faced off against in Georgia right?

>modernize

Looking forward to seeing what comes from this.

>>11045246

Just as a curiosity from someone who hasn't followed the earlier threads, how do you guys afford planes? I know for a fact that an F-4 is nowhere near equal in cost to a Flanker, though the F-18 is closer, you guys seem to be flying slightly mismatched cost planes.

Do you have a pool of cash each player pulls from or what?

>>11045276
I'm hoping it's another F-4, just as a big FUCK YOU to the other Mercs.

Oh, an F-4 with a Russian Radar and a full complement of 70+NM Alamos.

>>11045300


I want to see a 15E.

Nothing says "Fuck you" like 20-odd Cluster bombs

>>11045293


They've been well compensated over their tenure.

Their initial loan/funds were enough to buy a good selection of older warplanes. Hugs spending basically all of his loan just on his first Flanker.

Air Kills
Hugs: 2x F-16A
Air Incidentals: None
Ground Kills
Scotch: 2 Technicals, 19 Enemy Combatants, 1 SA-2 Radar, 2x SA6 System
Judge: Mission Kill Destroyer, 1x SA-2 Radar Site
Baron: 1x SA-2 Radar, 1x SA-6 Radar
Hugs: 2x SA-2 Radar sites, 1xSA-8
Ground Incidentals:
Baron: 3 Civilians
Scotch: 7 Civilians
Judge: 5 Civilians
Hugs: 12 Civilians
Damage Taken
Scotch: Destroyed, Ejected
Hugs: None
Baron: Destroyed, Ejected
Judge: Moderate, Airframe, Engine, Flight Control

I think that is right, it was kind of tough to follow what was what.

hey baron, when you gonna update your section on the P&M forum?

Anyways, thanks guys for being patient as always. I'm kind of tired, be on for the next twenty but then going for some shut eye.

I was kind of wondering though, I think my F-18 is good enough to go toe to toe with F-16s, or most modern jets. I don't think I need to modernize, but if I did, maybe the Super Hornet would be a good choice? I know it is naval capable which is kind of a requirement at the moment.

>>11045464

Are you still looking for replacements for Sandman?

Ops next plane should be the CL-13

old school.

Always a pleasure to read these.

>>11045482
Kind of, but our four man group is meshing pretty well. We talked about having more people, but we'd need six to get a really good dynamic going, and at this point we're far enough into the campaign that they'd be pretty far behind us in terms of skills and money.

>>11045464
I recommend picking up something more nimble.

Maybe a Block 60 F-16. Or alternatively an F-15 Strike Eagle.

>>11045538
Both of which cannot operate off a carrier...

>>11045464
The Super hornet is a pretty good choice i'd say

Get one of these OP, take over for Hugs in Air Superiority.

>>11045535
if two people joined though...

a newbie flight.... a man can dream...

>>11045561
How much longer are they really going to need one?

Heck, they could always try to get basing in Sierra Leone or Guinea; both of those countries have good reasons not to like Liberia.

>>11045663
Operational Security dictates those would probably be poor places for them to stay. The Carrier is mobile, and that is an asset. A big one if we're honest.

>>11045561
In the rules?

You do realize the twin engine concept is that there should be a backup engine if one should fail. Navy will only accept twin engine craft up until the harrier/F35 days concede it.

F15's have flown off carriers, I know that much.

>>11045692
F-15 has very weak landing gear, doubt it has ever flown off a carrier.

Damn, missed it.

Oh well, in terms of turning performance, the Flanker is second to none. OP, if you got an SU-33 you'd fear nothing.

>F-15s & Carriers

If only Sukhoi was around, she'd probably know.

>F-15 has very weak landing gear, doubt it has ever flown off a carrier

What the fuck am I reading?

>>11045791
Look up the briefly lived F-15N program.

It's possible to modify one up to spec, but it'd probably be easier to get hands on an F-14D or the like.

A silent eagle modified to Sea Eagle landing standards would be dead killy methinks.

>>11045791
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle#Basic_models

Look at the sea eagle variant. I scrolled up and saw he said strike eagle, so.. Both right I guess?

>>11045837
Carrier landings are closer to controlled crashes. Navy birds have very heavy landing gear to compensate for this. Non-reinforced gear would collapse, or shoot through the top of the fuselage under the stress of a typical 3-wire crash.

or you could just get a super hornet.

Whats wrong with the super hornet. Small RCS, good payload, versatile. Could be used for electronic warfare or even to refuel other aircraft midflight if needed.

Someone needs to archive this.

>>11045860

Got the F-14 mixed up with the F-15 never mind carry on.

Oh, an alternative to the Sea Flanker is the Mig-29K. You lose some payload (well, a lot of payload) but it's cheaper, not nearly as rare, and carries a hefty punch.

Don't hate on the Hornet.

>>11045868
>Small RCS

Compared to what? A Carrier? Sure. But I don't think the F-18 is anywhere near stealthy.

>>11045889
Seconded.

>>11045953
I don't know why, but I really think the hornet is one of the ass ugliest planes I have ever seen.

There's nothing really wrong with it, but I cannot stand the thing.

Damnit! I knew I should have stayed up longer -.-'

T-50?

Just thought I'd post this.

>>11046001
Really? I love the Hornet, of all the US aircraft I think it looks the best.

And vaguely Russian, like a Flanker and a Fulcrum had sex in a three way with an F-22.

>>11045976
uhh do you even know anything about the super hornet?

"It would be fair to say that the F/A-18E/F employs the most extensive
radar cross section reduction measures of any contemporary fighter,
other than the very low observable F-22 and planned JSF. While the F/
A-18E/F is not a true stealth fighter like the F-22, it will have a
forward sector RCS arguably an order of magnitude smaller than
seventies designed fighters. Since every deciBel of RCS reduction
counts until you get into the range of weapon payload RCS, the F/A-18E/
F represents the reasonable limit of what is worth doing on a fighter
carrying external stores. None of the RCS reduction features employed
in the F/A-18E/F are visible on any of the three Eurocanards, which
raises interesting questions about the relative forward sector RCS
reduction performance of these types."

Its got one of the smallest RCS of any fighter out there, other than true stealth aircraft.

>>11046045
I doubt Baron and his crazy friends will be able to get their hands on Russia's 5th generation fighter.

Maybe if they had killed more Georgians...

>>11046080
And the Europeans took one look at all that effort and said "Meh" and went ahead and built better aircraft in every way.

Having a low RCS compared to 'seventies' fighters is not a big achievement. A Mack Truck probably has a lower RCS.

>>11046013
You're not the only one, bub

>>11046046
agreed, The hornet is a lovely aircraft.

>>11046080
So what they are saying is that the RCS reduction efforts are only useful if the F-18 is flying clean...

So if you bring no weapons or extra fuel, just your cannon, you are slightly stealthy. Pack any type of punch and all that effort is just wasted money...

Sounds like a typical American defense project.

>>11046146
man even Canadian fighters look polite.

>>11046185

>>11046228
See, it looks like a cuddly kitty.

>>11046176
>add things to something and it loses it's capability
For one, you have to be at a certain speed to remain stealthy. The signature is enhanced the faster you go.

The hornets ability in reduced signature is also stemmed from its slightly more compact frame. The weapons do little to disintegrate effectiveness.

If you want to start barking "nation vs nation" crap, please keep in mind that most modern jets are universal projects where it is very multinational. Like the harrier invented by (I know its british or european) brought to the usa, upgraded and then then returned back and updated again with superior tech.

The harrier has been through a history of upgrading because it is a revolutionary project. It would be idiocy to just assume "just MY nation does this!" when all people know are small reports and statistics.

>The weapons do little to disintegrate effectiveness.

Unless those weapons have flat surfaces, they reflect Radar very well. Round surfaces are the devil to mask, so carrying anything on the wings is a big no no for any airframe hoping to be 'low observable'.

Archived!

>>11046394
The thing about mounted missiles is that they're cylinders when hit from the side.

The flat surfaces are angled when mounted, like you see the rudders on the hornet. From the front/rear, the minor angles of the sliver-thin blades of the missiles will have virtually a bugs worth in signature while the pointy aerodynamic nose will reflect the radar in off directions. From the rear is the most signature-revealing area and there is turbulence created behind the jet which makes that questionable.

The main reason they cannot be put outside of a F22 is because they're not made of the same radar absorbent materials.

They are low radar signatures. If not for the laser guided tags on the sensors, missiles would undoubtly be undetectable at lower speeds until it was too late to avoid/use flares etc.

Are we ever going to get Steve's mods to the rules?

1d4chan sorely needs an update with the recent missions.

I'm no expert like half the people here, but I know enough to know that the Su-33 and the Super Hornet are both terrific carrier-based jets, in the opinions of way too many to be wrong.

Go on, get a Flanker. You'll be able to piss off everyone by launching without a catapult.

>>11046472
I think you missed the part where I mentioned that curved surfaces are worse than flat ones. External stores are murder to an RCS, every aircraft purporting to be low observable carries them internally.

>>11045860

Not to mention carrier takeoffs, especially catapault-assisted ones. Carrier jets take a lot more stresses on a regular basis than land-based aircraft.

>>11046176
If you actually read the statement... "the F/A-18E/
F represents the reasonable limit of what is worth doing on a fighter carrying external stores." Of course it's not stealthy compared to an F-22, but it's much better than similar aircraft in it's class.

>>11046472
I thought there was also the fact they'd screw up the aerodynamics?

In the end though, who cares? I've watched footage of an F-22 dropping off an AAM. It's almost....sexy.

>>11046479
The Forum has some great additions to the ruleset.

>>11046538
A reduced signature is still going to be an advantage of detecting the guy before you are.

Both sides will have weapons that reflect radar. The point is to fire first. That is the hornet, and un-avoidable.

I was re-iterating:
If I detect you first, and I aim my plane at you, your radar detection will be to my front where the nose of the missiles and thins of the blades will be aimed at you reducing the signature where it doesn't matter.

>>11046569
You realize you are arguing with Sukhoi...? Or do you not know the rep she has?

I just can't wait to see what they actually go for as replacements. Hopefully something nice. Also, paint jobs.

PAINT JOBS ARE IMPORTANT

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

Archived.

>>11046588
As being often nearly blindly pro-Russian, even despite facts? Some of us are aware, yes.

>Both sides will have weapons that reflect radar. The point is to fire first. That is the hornet, and un-avoidable. If I detect you first, and I aim my plane at you.

I'm going to stop you there, since you are talking about detecting my RCS, which means you are radiating, which means I already know where you are and have two Anti-Radiation AA-12s on their way to meet you.

:P

>>11046588
I think people hate it most when they get a "white glove" treatment when reputation gets involved and they get treated 'different' because of it. Or otherwise it creates an ego. I rather assume neither and just treat them normally.

>>11046628
I'm not Pro-Russian, they aren't the leaders in everything, but they have a much more practical approach to Air Combat than we do in the West. And their design philosophy is one pilots appreciate.

>>11046632
Small advantages can be huge. I don't play P&M, nor have I kept up with jet tech since the 1990's when I was into them.

This has got to be the most civilised and reasonable argument I've ever seen on 4chan.

>>11046677
Take a good look what time it is in the USA/Europe.

You will find it gets decent around this time of the day.

About those radar signatures...

It makes fuckall sense to build/upgrade jets for low radar observability with gazillions of dollars if they loose that advantage the moment they mounts anything on their hardpoints.

So read between the lines. Either the stealth programs are elaborate money siphoning schemes thought up by the good ols military-industrial-complex. Or the matching low RCS weapons simply haven't been declassified yet.

However, Low RCS remains a frontal aspect goodie virtually worthless in a modern networked battle theater. You can fly a bit closer to radars without being detected. If you approach them frontally. And there's no network linking radar receivers together. Nothing beats NOE.

>>11046664
A low RCS is only really good if you don't broadcast your location with your own Radar. If you operate 'blind' with a datalink to airborne E-3 support, then the low RCS is useful. But if an E-3 is in the air, you could pretty much bet on the OPFOR taking it down asap, and to be radiating so much they burn through whatever RAM/RDS tech is mounted on planes. I think we've let our own radar tech stagnate slightly, while some of the new Flanker and Fulcrum systems are boasting some trully frightful capabilities. Mind you, they're all classified, so it could be the Mig-25 all over again, but the Indians seem very content with their nose hardware, and very reluctant to let anyone in the west see it.

So, have we made any decisions yet? I don't see why anyone's bickering over the Raptor since it's highly laughable that mercenaries could get their hands on one short of theft.

>>11046677
People who like planes tend to be mildly intelligent.

well the super hornet can also carry more ordinance than a su-33. and its more compact too. though not as fast and nimble.

Something I just cannot fathom. If they want the F-22 to be stealthy....why fit it with a mini-AWACS?

>>11046786
The Super Hornet is a bit more multirole, the Flanker is more SURPRISE BUTTSEX interceptor/dogfighter.

Seriously, you could launch one off a fucking cargo carrier if you bolted some panels across the containers and stuck a ramp at the end. NOBODY would see that shit coming.

>>11046741
Gotcha.

I'm more of a ww2 plane guy.

Though if you guys are pondering ideas of retconned jets, try looking into the failed programs and making them work for certain jobs.

I think I remember a high cost jet liner was trashed after it crashed. Take it and turn it into a bomber after fixing it up a bit? Always the freedom of getting what others don't want.

>>11046786
The Super Hornet can't carry as much as an SU-33, because it needs external fuel tanks to match the Flanker's range on internals alone. In terms of useable load, if you reduce the -33 to the same range as the Hornet, the -33 can carry more firepower then the Bug.

You have to read between the lines sometimes. And that's just on published stats, wartime limits are probably a lot higher then what most people assume or companies publish.

>>11046888
Alright i get it.

Russia is superior. jeez.

>>11046888
I hate you for being right and secretly wish I was friends with you, or someone who I could talk to about planes without seeming like a huge nerd/most boring person ever.

>>11046888
This

Not to mention the ability to take of from a carrier without a catapult could be a pretty big advantage


How's that game of yours going by the way, Sukhoi?

>>11046888
Most jets operate well within their operational parameters for safety reasons. The full length of flight is reduced by forward bases normally. So it is not much of a handicap unless you plan on flying a huge range, therefore we have mid-air refuelers for that job.

>>11046912
Well, not really, they only have one real carrier, and I think the -33s are being phased out of service soon. Not to mention there are so few that a loss of one of them is almost a 10% reduction in force for the SU-33.

I guess in raw potential the Russians have some very good ideas, but they are hampered in a lot of other ways. Keep in mind, in limited warfare, the US most likely has a superior edge in survivability relative to low tech defenses.

>>11046888
>>11046930
Flanker D can't do an unassisted take-off at full load.

Beyond which, why would you want to stuff it full? It's a high-agility fighter, not a multirole plane like the F/A-18. Sure the Super Hornet's endurance might be a bit stingy, but an AAR should sort that out, and the situation we're looking at here is a fairly close-strike mission from an aircraft carrier.

They're BOTH choice planes, just for slightly different roles. Baron should take the Flanker, keep the Hornet for someone who enjoys blowing fucking SAMs up.

The problem with plane enthusiasts is that they usually know very little about the subject they try to excel at. They like to be knowledgeable on a subject about which the public gets very little information.

The problem with Sukhoi is she actually knows more shit about planes than anybody here.

>>11046973
From the back of the deck it can.

Also, maneuverability for CAP after you drop your AtA load?

OP's group has to work with a limited number of planes after all

>>11046996
Meant AtG, derp

>>11046983
True, true.

I wonder what she does for a living, I'd almost think she's Canuck Air Force or something :P

>>11046888
do you mind telling me where you get your information so i can read up more.

All i sort of know is that the russians might have better long ranged AA missiles. while the new sindwinders can turn on a dime.

>>11046973
>>11046955
The Flanker can do a takeoff unassisted at full load, it just needs to do the run from the back of the ship, which limits recovery operations. It's often misquoted that the Flanker can't get airborne on full payload, but it can, and with a buddy tank, can get fully fueled as well. The US continues to have the same problem even with assistance. Unless you have gale force winds over the front, heavy birds aren't getting off the deck, and even then it is risky if you have a sea state pitching the bow. The jump angle on the Russian carrier is pretty ridiculous, and ski jumps boast many huge advantages for naval operations.

As to the range thing, as I said, more bombs/missiles if you limit the Flanker to the same fuel load as the Hornet. And unlike it's father, the Sea Flanker is multi-role.

>>11046972
So what you're saying is that if we got Sukhoi and Northrop together and got them talking, they'd come up with something truly frightening?

>>11046996
So, unless the Hornet is considerably cheaper, it looks like the Su-33 is the top choice by a narrow margin.

>The problem with Sukhoi is she actually knows more shit about planes than anybody here.

It's fucking disturbing.

>>11047039
So take AAs for BVR intercept and mount a few GOOD AIMs for dogfighting.

I stress GOOD AIMs, not the kind that just fall off the rack.

>>11047048
>Northrop Sukhoi collaboration

FUND IT!

>>11047067
From stuff Sukhoi has said about off boresight, I'd say pack AA-s for everything.

180 degrees man... Having an enemy on your six is no longer a problem.

>>11047048
>Sukhoi Northrop

Well, Lockheed and Yakolev are building the JSF already...

>>11047061
Based on what I've gotten from reliable intel, she's less well-informed than she seems.

>>11047079
God dammit motherFUCKING son of a BITCH Mobius 1 where the SHIT did that QAAM come from?

>>11047067
Hey Shin, wanna buy 200 Sidewinders for $1000?

>>11047091
And by that I mean what intel I have about planes compared to what she says.

Don't know shit about her personally (obviously).

>>11047094
>Sidewinders
Shit, you're still using THOSE old things? Get with the times, man.

>>11047094
half of these are cardboard tubes with empty soda bottles on one end...

>>11047091
>>11047104
And what intel would that be? Now you got me curious :)

>>11047104
I kind of get what you are saying there, some of the stuff seems unbelievable, but some quick checks and quite a bit of stuff turns out to be true.
Then again, she has always left wiggle room, even here she's mentioned that statistics and numbers are all suspect until the blueprints are declassified.

Just stock up on a hundred P51 mustangs.

Good range with current tech. Costs a little bit then a missile. Less requirements to fly one.

That would make it all simpler!

>>11047148
Yeah, quick way to get killed.

>>11047148
>simpler
to shoot them down

My reccomendation would be for OP to fly his current Hornet.

I know, shocking. But the Bug isn't a bad plane, and it saves him money, since it already meets the mission requirements. If he absolutely had to upgrade, the Rafale, the Sea Flanker, the Super Bug, and the Sea Fulcrum are all strong contenders.

>>11047138
USAF intel analyst, enlisted side. Not that I take anything I get across my desk at face value, but I've got a good amount of facts learned. I just tend not to share during these threads because I'd rather not slip and post something I shouldn't.

Anyhow, OP had an excellent story as usual, but now I require rest.

>>11047172
>>11047166
Hover your mouse over the name if you have the lower browser bar up to see what is typed there.
>>11047148

I would try to help more but I'm not into pnp. I got nothing to add.

>>11047172
Not in anti-air engagements.

After all, who carries that many AAMs?

>>11047079
The Python series is very good, and probably has a lower failure rate. The AIM-9X boasts very good capabilities, but is late to the game, and suffers from low reaction mass and thus shorter range, as well as a higher chance of being beaten with angle turns.

hmm, you see the enemy is going expect you to fly in for your next mission.

I suggest spending all your money on ordinance and just mounting it on the deck of the carrier.

>>11047232
>>11047232
I hate to sound like a broken record...

>>11047242
I've read the R-73 (AA-11) is pretty good as well.

Any thoughts?

I'm out for tonight, thanks for the images I've been sent.

You know who you are.

>>11047242
AIM-9Xs are capable of engaging at a full 180 degrees off-boresight and hitting through typical countermeasures...I'm not sure you have to worry so much about rapid turning.

>>11047332
Later.

>>11047332
See you around

somewhere in the world, a crew chief pours another shot as weapons sighs, avionics cries, and engines just stared at the pot.

>>11047361
And then she gets fucked by Scotch

>>11047094

200? Talk about undercutting the competition.

(amusing coincidence A88's protagonist is also named Shin K.)

I'm so proud of that little Rafale.

For once, my favorite choice of plane is validated.

>>11047465
Yes, but did THAT Shin ever do motherfucking pirhouettes at Mach 1.2?

Oh well, time for me to hit the sack.

>>11047543
G'night

>>11047530

No, but he's limited to reality. Mostly.

Also, the man flies a fighter pretty damn well for a shanghai'd airliner pilot.

>>11047465
>$1,000 for 50
>$20 a missile

...wat

Just my luck to get here right as everyone leaves.

I hope the modernisation project goes well. Can't wait to see Monrovia get fucking pancaked.

>>11047585

There is a reason Shin didn't buy any.

>>11047585
Deflation. It's a bitch.

>>11047572
Okay, the Phoenix could do some wacky shit. But he still managed to pull off crap in an F-14 that'd make any pilot alive today weep with envy.

Also, barring the supersonic dogfight, would it really be so impossible to turn Pugachev's Cobra into a SUDDEN SIDEWAYS RAPE ATTACK?

>>11047620

Yeah, but there's not a lot realistic about this sequence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4n4rRozpys

If only for the speed of the missiles. Even the ones that exist in real life (the ones the F-14s and Fulcrums fire).

Ok, really going to bed now. I mean it.

bamp for eurofags

FUCK YEAH BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF LIBERIA

Liberia strong?

Bump for awesome

Anyone know why I can't update the P&M article on 1d4chan? It's not a problem with the wiki, since I can alter other pages with ease. It just will not let me add the last few mission writeups.

>>11050470
I can't either. Seems to be a problem with the wiki engine. Either the page got too big or a bug has crawled up in there.

>>11050582
Should I separate the writefaggotry onto a linked-to page of its own just to cut down on HUEG?

>>11050591
Sounds like a plan.

>>11050605
I'll get write on it.

Also putting the last three missions into Word to clean up and paste onto the wiki.

>>11050618
>write on it

I see what you did there

Just out of sheer boredom

Am I the only fan of Iori's Rafale M from AC6? Is there some kind of validation for my ardent fanboyism or am I just a sad pedo ;_;?

>>11050702
Er, slightly more related image.

>>11050726
I can't take you seriously.

>>11050783
Fuck that game. It's just Ace Combat for Tom Clancy fanboys.

>>11050805
What's wrong with that?

>>11050837
Nothing, it's just not the best flight simulator in the history of forever or anything.

>>11050917
Neither is Ace Combat.

Every time I read a Planes and Mercs thread I get blown into the back wall of my room as plane exhaust belts from my monitor.

This thread was no exception.

I love Over G fighters for 360.

>>11051054
Never heard of it.

>>11050979
Same here, and it's awesome :)

So, anyone else playing a similar game?

>>11051484
Forgot my pic

>>11050837
What's wrong with HAWX is that Ubi, in all their wisdom, decided to rush the development when the game was jsut about halfway finished. That forced the developers to take massive shortcuts, reducing the number of missions, quickly finishing missions which now feel incomplete and/or frankly uninspired and it completely butchered the storyline.

If there's one way to describe HAWX, then it's a fucking tragedy. Sooooo much potential just for Ubi to to wate it and get a distinctively mediocre game by over-rushing the development.

>>11051666
I think they were desperate for some CASHMONIES after Armored Core for Answer apparently failed to deliver as much as they'd expected it would.

I hate that these get started so late. When I left only the UN had lost any aircraft. I come back this morning and find three out of four of our heroes in the drink and those damn F16s at it again. And then a lengthy discussion afterward...damn damn damn.

I really don't think stealth or low observability should be considered in this game. I'd simply follow the russian model like Sukhoi and just get the biggest radar, the most weapons, and the best turning in one airframe that money can buy. Personally i'd roll with a late model Falcon but thats just me. OP's Bug is fine for the moment. Its a capable modern platform that has multirole as a middle name. If they ask you to go in again just load up with half SEAD half AtA and see if those falcons come up to play again.

>>11051484
As for other games...I know there are a couple of them over at our dedicated forums. I'm currently gathering players for my own. I have several that are interested but only one has gone to the trouble of picking out an aircraft so far. Odd since she's the least interested of the group. She chose a Warthog cause she can paint a dragon on it and have the GAU8 represent its fiery breath weapon. Callsign Dragon Lady. I've got another two confirmed and possibly two more after that. Nothing rock solid though cause there are still huge holes in the rules that i'm trying to compensate for or simply gloss over.

>>11051987
What rules-holes are you trying to fix?

Also, love the dragon analogy

I hate Scotch for losing the Viggen.

>>11052287
Yeah, curious to see what the guys will be getting for their new planes though.

Scotch has a tradition of using shitty single engine planes.

So I expect he'll be flying an A-7 or something.

>>11052287

Its not like he meant to. They got bounced because they assumed they'd be up against no air assets.

>>11052260
Well not so much rules holes as data missing. Weapon and aircraft costs are the worst problems since i've got a bit of each but not nearly enough to generalize prices yet.

>>11052327
Shitty? The Viggen isn't that bad...

>>11052343
I just divide all aircraft into tiers like MAS and go from there.

>>11052343
Same problem I've got, really. I've got some stuff but that's only some plane prices, not even weapons.

>>11052384

I wish MAS had been a little better designed. It was amusing, but ultimately not very well done.

The slightest disaster/loss in an early mission spells doom for your MAS financially, in addition the combat mechanics are a bit overly simplified. How to improve them, I don't know however.

>>11052287
You know there is reason why Viggen is carrier capable fighter. It's due to fact that most swedish made fighters are built to land on short strips of highway.

That is probably one of the reson Finland chose Hornet as the fighter plane for their airforce aswell.

>>11052426
MAS is a nice backend to handle all the economics and leave the flying to the players. But it is worthless as an air combat simulation.

And maybe that's a good thing because when you want to play a strategy game being held up by combat is never fun.

>>11053584

Maybe, but it still could've been done better.