Priest can be reflavored.

So can the vampire race.

>>10476666

> Vampire Priest of Apollo

Worships the sun based on its vamp-killing ability?

Or maybe thankful that it hasn't killed him?

Players who merit being turned into dartboards:
- the one who created a Warforged janitor/pirate.
- the pair who made Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar in Shadowrun.
- the wonderful idiot who generated an illiterate Barbarian for the engineers-only campaign I spent six weeks building.
- the sniper/jewelry store owner in oWoD: Mortals.
- the fully-paralyzed priest in the same game.
I have more, but need to grab a cigarette. My brain hurts.

>>10476756
So they worship the sun as the end of all things?

I'd think it would make perfect sense to worship the great destroyer.

>>10478378
ALL SHALL FALL BEFORE PELOR, THE BURNING HATE

>>10476765
What's wrong with Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar? Pair of straight-up badasses.

I was going to come in here and post my general amusement as the stupidity of the character in OP's pic...

>>10476756
>>10478378
>>10478405

...Then I saw these three posts. ALL HAIL THE GREAT DESTROYER!!!

>>10478405

Oh man. I actually really like this idea.

An eschatonic vampire cult that worships the Sun, because they know it'll go nova and destroy Earth one day.

Pelor, The Burning Hate.

Pelor is, in D&D, clearly an evil god.

Let us look first at his iconic cleric, Jozan.

>>10478491
I remember hearing about that troll

The first illustration of him we find, outside of the Cleric class description, depicts him climbing upon the face of Krusk, well known for his gentle heart and dedication to the advancement of science, as well as many other pursuits.

Surely not the act of a good cleric of a good god?

>>10478507
>troll

Troll?
I don't think you understand what a troll is.

Later on we find his casting the spell Symbol of Pain, a divine spell with the "Evil" descriptor.

The rules state that a cleric can not cast a spell with an alignment descriptor opposing his own alignment or that of his god.

Thus, Jozan can not be good, nor can Pelor.

>>10476756
>>10478378
>>10478405

>OP calls out PC's on bs and tortured logic
>three perfectly logical explanations in 3 minutes.

i love you /tg/

Now, many would refute this claim.
Pelor is Neutral Good, of course.
And Pelor is clearly stated to detest the undead, vile, evil things as they are.
And is he not known as the most commonly worshiped deity by humans?
Surely the race of Men cannot be so deceived.

>>10478661
>race of men
>not evil
Whatchu takin bout, Willis?

>>10478661
Beings such as Gods are on a scale of morality separate from and above that which man can conceive of. Surely, Pelor's true alignment would be Neutral N/A

>>10478661
but since vamps are undead, wouldn't that logically make him a death god for them? Relative morality.

>the pair who made Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar in Shadowrun.

No I'm sorry this is awesome

But, it was not always so.
There was once another god, chief deity of humans, known as Zarus.
Zarus was a god who supported an agenda of hate, and professed human supremacy.
He's not very widely worshiped anymore, but he was was the most widely worshiped god among humans.
His holy symbol is also VERY familiar...

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>>10478808
holy crap, Zarus is clean shaven Pelor

>>10478808
Oh, FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Holy shit.
Pelor is Zarus.
Pelor is a god of hate.
Fuck.

ALL WILL FALL BEFORE PELOR, THE BURNING HATE

It's not exactly trolling the GM (in fact, as far as I can tell ,he likes the idea), but I've got a tiefling warlock in a Eberron game who worships the Silver Flame and serves as a lay member of the church, because they were raised by paladins in a church-sponsored orphanage.

>>10478808

>>10476756
>>10478378
>>10478405
fucking stolen

>>10478808

>>10478808
Oh god. You, sir, have just convinced me.

>>10476704
This is the problem with the laissez-faire method of "everything can be refluffed" - there has to be a line drawn somewhere. If someone wants to play a blood sucking, murderous (or conniving), soulless beast, that is fine.
If they want to do it while calling on a divine power for their ass kicking source, that's fine. But it had better be a god that supports undeath, or a vampire god.
But Apollo? That's a sun god. Vampires hate the sun. The only way you could want to do that is if you're playing a Twilight vampire. And I have a butane Lighter that says you're not playing a Twilight vampire.
If being a Vampire can be refluffed - wait, it can't be refluffed because being a murderous, blood-sucking parasite comes with being a Vampire. That's a pretty solid, hard fact that comes with being a Vampire. Being a Vampire cannot be refluffed.

Also, if one is praying to Apollo for various reasons, if they are using priestly powers, that usually implies that the god supports them in some fashion. Would Apollo really support a Vampire? I wouldn't think so, because if he WOULD support a vampire pious to him, then he wouldn't destroy them when they went out in the sun.

One could say that the priest is fluffed to take his powers from his own faith, but not from the god. But a god is a god, and should have power over whether a mortal can do things in his own name or not. They are supposed to be super(if not omni)potent creatures. If I were Apollo, I would block all priest related powers of that Vampire, simply because he is claiming to worship me, and do things in my name.

>>10478808
That makes sense.

>>10478990

u mad

>>10476666

yo OP I don't know how vampires work in whatever setting you're running, but maybe the guy's character was a priest of Apollo prior to becoming a vampire, and now is struggling to overcome this massive contradiction in his existence.

>>10478990
What if the vampire is worshiping Apollo because the vampire, himself, is good-aligned? What if he follows a god of light and healing in a quest to find a way to reverse his unwanted condition? What if the vampire has taken on the role of repentant protector of a society that otherwise hates and reviles him?

Basically, what if the vampire was Angel?

>>10478808
I knew about this when it was new on the WotC boards.

>>10478990
Maybe Apollo sanctions this vampire because it spreads his words in a place where he, by definition, cannot reach.

The vampire speaks to the night things, and in return, his death in the sun would be swift and painless; the most beautiful death.

>>10479052
> what if the vampire was Angel
the image is both painful and hilarious.

>>10478990
What about Blade?

>>10476666
Fucking shit this example's been torn to shreds pretty thoroughly

>>10478808
Oh yes

minotaur monk

"half" vampire ranger

any other character this person ever made from jack sparrow pirate in the middle of Damara to the "Duke Fury" chimera punching bad ass in Waterdeep

>>10479052
Then he'd be the only vampire I've ever liked.

>>10478990
1) Vampires die in sunlight but that doesn't mean they hate it. They could in fact miss the ability to walk in the sunlight or the greater power of hunting in the sunlight.
2) People often worship things they fear, respect or cause them death. A sun god if pleased enough could end the curse or avert the sun as a boon.
3) The cause of their aversion to sunlight might not be Apollo's doing but that of another vengeful entity

Here's one I want to make because it IS for trolling. Not sure if it's contradictory unless you actually care about the debate it makes fun of, in which case, you gon' get trolled.

Gestalt Ninja/Pirate character.

>>10479052
Never liked angel, myself. But I'll give it a shot.
Apollo still blocks priestly powers until the character proves they want to reverse their condition. The hard route would be for the character to continue doing good until the god reverses the condition himself.

But the easier road would be for the character to actively look into a cure for vampirism.

So mechanically, if the vampire chooses the hard way, it takes about 3-4 quest lines before Apollo allows priest powers to trickle through, slowly. As Apollo trusts him more and more, the Vampire gets more spells and abilities until he gets his full allowance.

Then Apollo sends him on a quest to do something really epic. Like retrieve the soul of a murdered princess from the Underworld. The Vampire could do this through combat, or through making a deal with Hades.

Hades likes this lady, and doesn't want to give her up. So if he strikes a deal with him. Trading something the vampire desires most for himself.

In short, vampire's gotta prove he wants to do good, or stop his curse.

>>10479078
Dhampir not vampire

>>10476666
>slap together bullshit that doesn't make sense
>Contradicting characters

I've done this, but it was for a character that was, shall we say, batshit insane. GM worked it into the plot, which was pretty neat.

>>10479078
Blade is not a vampire (that's stated). He is a daywalker. A new breed according to series/movies. No idea how they treat him in the comics.

>>10479162
This not only provides copious plot hooks, but it also gives a wholly understandable, reasonable, and sympathetic reason for a vampire priest of a sun god to exist. A series of quests in an attempt to beseech help from a divine power that could do the most to reverse the condition, it's like the character is made with the intention to develop over time!

Good job, /tg/, we just made a potentially awful character concept into something viable.

rolled 18 = 18

>>10479291
It's what /tg/ does best. We take dross, and turn it into bright, shining steel.

The cowardly medic who spent the entire D20 campaign using his supplies for his own recreational purposes. in the middle of a fucking zombie apocalypse. He was one of the few who survived.

another idea would be to have Apollo be a dick and switch its condition so that it can forever show its love for the sun.

Specifically make it wither and die in the absence of light unless asleep or something. Or near a sunburst spell effect.

>>10479353
>absence of light
So it can't go into the house, cave or shade and has to sleep on the streets because they lack direct sunlight. No, that's silly.

>>10479442
yes. Apollo, last I checked was a greek god. And greek gods tend to occasionally be dicks of the highest order. This is merely his response to a creature of the night trying to worship him.

>>10479479
Greek gods were dicks, alright. But mechanically this is a horrible horrible idea that will block character from doing pretty much anything interesting or taking a part in majority of events.

You guys should watch Daybreakers, even if just for glorious Lawful-Evil Sam Neill.

>>10479559
yeah not disagreeing with that, I just like fluff more than mechanics.

We once had a paladin of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

I've ranted about this guy for a while, but he loves to play clusterfuck characters. The epitome of his terrible ideas comes from Changeling, where he designed a godawful character completely incapable of doing much of her own volition, or even WILLING to do much of her own volition.

The player gave me a backstory detailing her time spent in the Faerie realms, where her Fey captor had kept her not as a prisoner, but as a perfectly content child. She had her paint for her, and that was really fucking all. The player said that his character had always had a bad twitch, had to wear a mouthguard to stop herself from biting herself, was Russian, wore a diaper, and had approximately eleven different syndromes. She didn't want to escape her "captor" and the reason that she was sent back, according to her backstory, was the fact that her Fey master told her that she had developed feelings for her, and if the other Fey found out, they would kill her.

The character also had a crippling fear of black people. And guess what color the only other player's character was? Black, of course.

When I confronted the player about his shit character, TELLING HIM it was a shit character, we argued for two fucking hours on the subject. He told me that Changeling was a deep game, and that he had made a deep character that I wasn't used to since we tend to play "shallow" games like D&D. In the end, he called me pathetic because I wouldn't allow him to play his character, one of my main reasons being "she has eleven different syndromes."

tl;dr: My player made a diaper girl Changeling with eleven different syndromes that is afraid of black people and can do nothing but paint

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>>10479707
Think it's been said every time you mention this stuff, but "horrible, unplayable mess of syndromes and assorted bullshit" does not mean "SO DEEP." Some people are idiots who just don't realize this. Character depth can be generated with maybe one major character issue, or even just a handful of quirks and good playing of reactions in-game.

>>10479707
What's the matter...TOO DEEP for you?

>>10479707
At first it sounded allright, but then I got to the part about diapers, syndromes, and racism and I just facepalm'd. Fucking retarded.

I tried to Play a Zombie Paladin, then id cast turn undead, and just fucking explode

>>10480076
Doesn't sound like a clusterfuck, more COMEDY GOLD.

>>10479707
I could have made it work. I would have had to work with the black thing, though. But otherwise, good to go.

...Of course, in my version, those bad things are all the Keeper's fault, and the Keeper was fucking the character's mind. If the player wasn't okay with that, (s)he could experience the thing from her character's perspective; finding out what she believed was fake.

>>10478990

Read the original Dracula.

Half of the time you see Dracula, he is in the goddamned sun.

>>10479707
...and you didn't kill him why? Do the world a favor, fucksake.

>>10480616
In some versions of the vampire legend, Dracula perhaps included, vampires are not destroyed by sunlight, merely weakened and severely inconvenienced. They have no superhuman abilities, or vastly reduced ability, and so-on. Thus, they do most of their work at night and sleep during the day, so they're not at their weakest all the damn time.

I could be wrong on all this, though.

>>10480616
>Implying Dracula is the only source of lore for vampires
>Implying vampires have so many different abilities that in order to fully incorporate vampires into a setting, one has to give them a set slate of weaknesses and strengths which will be immutable in your setting.

>>10480710
In the earliest incarnation, in the greek mythos, they were entirely unharmed by the sun. But in those days they were battle spirits and their blood thirst was more khornate than the pseudosexual bent we see these days.

>>10480710

Correct.


>>10480742

The lore for vampires is that the bloodlines have become so muddled and impure that they can't stand the sun at all, unless they are 'super-pureblood'
as it were. This is generally accepted, so don't get all greentext with me, son. All I did was add some useful, pertinent information to a topic of debate.