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The Eternal Empire has stood for 14 millennia and has endured hundreds of wars, calamities, and rulers of every type. After long centuries of decadent stagnation, a new martial dynasty has risen in rebellion and now rules! Under the auspices of House Heinrich, the Empire has been ridden of old decay and its territories have entered into a new period of prosperity.

And expansion. Only time can tell what will come of the latest sovereign, Emperor Albin's ambitions in Federation space...

>Previous Threads
>https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Simple%20Space%20Empire
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>>5887382
You are Angelica Heinrich, secondborn daughter of Alphonse Heinrich, first Emperor of his line, and acting Head Admiral of the Imperial Armada by decree of your younger brother, Emperor Albin. At 57 years of age, you've finally been entrusted to head a campaign in force. You've worked to rise the ranks for decades in diligent service to the Empire, and despite your blood, only a rare tactical genius has taken you this far.

Billions of women are watching your every move, desperate to see the fairer sex vindicated. You don't care. Your eyes are on the throne on Mars, and the memory of the one who once sat there. Your father was a ferocious and brilliant man, who took a failing Empire by the reigns and remade it in his image of what it should have been. In a short time, he masterminded propaganda and intrigue on such a scale that the dynasty's stability was established almost as soon as it began. More, he did it without sacrificing the masses.

Far from it. He loved them and they, the lowly, weak-minded commoners they are, killed him for it. The beloved Emperor of billions, beaten to death by a hammer in the hands of a nameless wretch. Your own father... Oh, vengeance was had. Your mother Anna had every member of the seditious militia responsible castrated and put to backbreaking labour on Cradus XVII, frigid rock turned landfill. Justice, however, has not yet been rendered. The Federation of Uvarth is a longstanding democratic state that dares consider itself independent of the Eternal Empire.

As if any man could be freed from the memory of old Earth! Billions of commoners have been led astray by the same rotten breed of rabble-rousing filth that led to your father's untimely death. He is not here to see your triumph, because their lowborn brothers in the same, lie-stained illegitimate bastard rhetoric killed him! So you will conquer their worlds, see them put to their sword and the fruits of their treachery set aflame! Victory alone can soothe the grief in your heart. You've never been so certain of anything in your life.
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>>5887384
Fortunately, the armada below you is mighty and the Federation of Uvarth is vulnerable. Recently, they were invaded by a species of alien vermin, the Vrakaks, whose rate of reproduction and willingness to throw themselves into massed gunnery makes a poor substitute for their lack of sophistication and will. To the best of the Empire's knowledge, the Federation of Uvarth won, at a great cost. Their fleets have been deplenished and destroyed and their frontier worlds war-ravaged. It's likely they'll never be more vulnerable than they are now.

Meanwhile, the Empire is stronger than ever and you have been given the privilege of forcing these dissidents back into the imperial fold. You consider the fleets under your command and more importantly, their admirals. The worth of officers will make or break a campaign.

>Armada #1:
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich): You, the first woman to reach admiralty in living memory, and eager to define yourself in the annals of history as more than a novelty of your sex.
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen): A capable but untested scion of the chivalrous House Arthen, hungry to prove his worth in battle.
>Imperial Fleet (Harold): A talented commoner of no substance, who earned his rank through display of skill at Heinrich's School of Hard Knocks.
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer): The son of a famous admiral who fought alongside Alphonse, and the image of his namesake in more ways than one.
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich): A distant cousin of yours and the best admiral who both wasn't in the imperial navy and shares your name. That is to say, decent. Your nephew and the imperial heir, Otto, is aboard his fleet.
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton): An unusually bloodthirsty member of House Soluton, likely driven by the same anger you are.
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips): The nephew of an admiral who sacrificed himself for Alphonse, and no less loyal to the throne on Mars.
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen): An incompetent fool who's managed to survive this long, and among the cheapest hired guns your brother could find.
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>>5887385
Eight fleets in total, each consisting of hundreds of vessels of more than a dozen varieties. Most tried and tested, some new and promising. An enormous force but by the sacrifice of admiral Scott Phillips, you know it is far from invincible. Your armada has embarked toward Federation of Uvarth space. As the warhost was gathered on very short notice to take advantage of their weakness, you've had little time to coordinate an overarching strategy. Be that as it may, you are your father's daughter and managed to expertly get your subordinate admirals on the same track. It's unlikely the Federation of Uvarth is expecting an invasion after centuries of neutrality but as war leader, it would be wise to assume the worst.

First, how should you open the conflict?

>Seize the frontiers! These barrier stars are almost unprotected and have been made weary by years of struggle against the Vrakaks. If you conquer them swiftly, it should be little trouble to liberate the masses from their own mismanagement.
>Assault the core! The beating heart of their military-industrial complex, as well as its nerves, stomach, and sinews. If you overwhelm the heightened resistance of their developed worlds, the campaign should come easily.
>Burn thrusters for Uvarth! The capital of their Federation, at the center of their stars and sure to be fiercely defended. If you can break the crowning achievement of their civilization early on, the Federation's will to resist will surely evaporate.

Second, should the armada be kept together?

>Yes. Overwhelming force concentration is an advantage you aren't willing to part with. The Federation of Uvarth will face the Empire's armada, and it will kneel or be knelt.
>No. The Federation is immense and its navy is in tatters, it's only sensible to cover more ground. This way, you could put pressure on more regions at once. (If so, how should the fleets be distributed?)
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>>5887387
>Assault the core! The beating heart of their military-industrial complex, as well as its nerves, stomach, and sinews. If you overwhelm the heightened resistance of their developed worlds, the campaign should come easily.
>Yes. Overwhelming force concentration is an advantage you aren't willing to part with. The Federation of Uvarth will face the Empire's armada, and it will kneel or be knelt.
The frontier worlds are broken after years of war, they're of little value to the Empire as is. Breaking the core worlds before they can rally their war-weary population is a surefire way to coclude the war as early as possible.
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>>5887387
>Assault the core! The beating heart of their military-industrial complex, as well as its nerves, stomach, and sinews. If you overwhelm the heightened resistance of their developed worlds, the campaign should come easily.
The frontiers are irrelevant to their ability to wage war, take their heartland so they cannot recover their strength.
>Yes. Overwhelming force concentration is an advantage you aren't willing to part with. The Federation of Uvarth will face the Empire's armada, and it will kneel or be knelt.
I want to bait them into believing we will split however, to fish for an attempt at defeat in detail. Our target being their heartland also puts additional pressure on them to take the seemingly great opportunity.
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>>5887387
>Assault the core! The beating heart of their military-industrial complex, as well as its nerves, stomach, and sinews. If you overwhelm the heightened resistance of their developed worlds, the campaign should come easily.
Cripple their logistics.
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen): An incompetent fool who's managed to survive this long, and among the cheapest hired guns your brother could find.
Lol. Looks like we have our meatshields.
>Yes. Overwhelming force concentration is an advantage you aren't willing to part with. The Federation of Uvarth will face the Empire's armada, and it will kneel or be knelt.
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>>5887387
>Burn thrusters for Uvarth! The capital of their Federation, at the center of their stars and sure to be fiercely defended. If you can break the crowning achievement of their civilization early on, the Federation's will to resist will surely evaporate.

>No. The Federation is immense and its navy is in tatters, it's only sensible to cover more ground. This way, you could put pressure on more regions at once. (If so, how should the fleets be distributed?)
1 for every region
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>>5887387
>Assault the core! The beating heart of their military-industrial complex, as well as its nerves, stomach, and sinews. If you overwhelm the heightened resistance of their developed worlds, the campaign should come easily.
>Yes. Overwhelming force concentration is an advantage you aren't willing to part with. The Federation of Uvarth will face the Empire's armada, and it will kneel or be knelt.
Sweet, it's back!
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>>5887387
>Burn thrusters for Uvarth! The capital of their Federation, at the center of their stars and sure to be fiercely defended. If you can break the crowning achievement of their civilization early on, the Federation's will to resist will surely evaporate.

>No. The Federation is immense and its navy is in tatters, it's only sensible to cover more ground. This way, you could put pressure on more regions at once. (If so, how should the fleets be distributed?)
1 for every region
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>>5887387
>Burn thrusters for Uvarth! The capital of their Federation, at the center of their stars and sure to be fiercely defended. If you can break the crowning achievement of their civilization early on, the Federation's will to resist will surely evaporate.
Head of the snake, also most of the enemy fleet will be there so we can defeat them all in one go
>Yes. Overwhelming force concentration is an advantage you aren't willing to part with. The Federation of Uvarth will face the Empire's armada, and it will kneel or be knelt.
No point in splitting up if we are going to the core worlds
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>>5887387
>Assault the core! The beating heart of their military-industrial complex, as well as its nerves, stomach, and sinews. If you overwhelm the heightened resistance of their developed worlds, the campaign should come easily.

>Yes. Overwhelming force concentration is an advantage you aren't willing to part with. The Federation of Uvarth will face the Empire's armada, and it will kneel or be knelt.

The core is what matters. Dispersal was necessary last time to preempt mercenary reinforcements or allies being called in, but it cost us dearly. This time we ought to strike the bleeding heart of the enemy.
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I'm going to lock the vote here, so we can move on to the action. Here's a refresher on the rules we'll be using for void warfare.

Mechanics for Naval Combat:
>https://pastebin.com/cxN0ifTW

Even if you crush the enemy decisively, there's a chance that this will be a long campaign. They've been savaged by aliens, but the Federation of Uvarth remains twice the size of the Merchant Holdings and much more ideologically motivated.
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I pity the enemies of Angelica. More than even the first fool to find himself standing across from Otto. May her drive and fury ensure her swift victory and overwhelming success.
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5887392
>>5887396
>>5887408
>>5887415
>>5887433
>>5887436
>>5887444
>>5887451
You're tempted to burn thrusters for Uvarth directly and scatter your fleets to end this war as quickly as possible but after some thought, opt for a more straightforward approach. The fleets are gathered into a vast formation and make for the core! If you can secure the brunt of their wartime industry, this conflict will be over in a heartbeat... by the standards of interstellar politicking.

You move through the frontier in contempt. You make an excellent pace. Their shattered colonies and forgotten barrier worlds are powerless to stop you, and the broken, pithy garrisons that are even still capable of traversing the void don't dare resist. As you go, you broadcast inconsistent signals to give the impression your fleet could split in separate directions at any time. Ideally, this will convince the Federation that an ambush is possible. If so, they'll likely put their eggs in one basket, which you can then shatter underfoot!

If the Federation sees through your ruse, which is rather likely, they still won't be capable of stopping the armada without committing their own forces. It costs nothing to try. You do your best to neutralize possible courier vessels in the systems you pass through but with their lack of centralization, it's likely some could slip through. Even if none do, the Federation's sitting Parliament may be shrewd and suspect hostilities are imminent. If the fools can stop puffing hot-air long enough to put an actual decree into motion, there may be cause for concern.

>Roll 1d6+1 for deception to bait the Federation into battle. +1 [Military Skill].

>The Federation is rolling 1d6+1 for speed of their reaction. +1 [Position of Weakness], +1 [Core at Risk], -1 [Sudden Invasion]
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5887478
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>>5887479
This is how Democracy dies.
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>>5887483
...And how monarchy rises! Hail Heinrich!
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>>5887479
>we will ambush them, we're geniuses!
>OH FUCK THEY AMBUSHED US BACK
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>>5887479
HAHAHA. The fucking rolls on this quest.
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>>5887478
>>5887479
You think back to the games you played with your father as a little girl. Static defenses and prolonged attrition were never your style. You had a fondness for the sort of misdirective subtlety to make an enemy second-guess your every move and take his formation apart. Then following through with a blitzkrieg at his weakest point, just when he least expects it! This held true for your years at the Academy and as a commodore.

This is no different.

You don't know the composition of the Federation's forces or where they are, but your honed instincts read them like a book. You send mercenary elements into distant systems, taking care to conceal their movements just well enough that civilian vessels couldn't easily discern them. One piece on the gameboard, pushed. A tantalizing target, made all the more tempting by the implication they're no more than a reconnaissance force.

The Federation scrambles to pursue. They must know they're outmatched. Their remnant fleets are sent, all motley four of them, and they intercept your scouts near a critical refinery world on the verge of frontier space. To their credit, this is a well-executed maneuver leveraging their limited strength in the most efficient manner possible. To yours, there never were any scouts to pursue. Rather, a handful of stolen civilian vessels staffed by a skeleton crew of greedy mercenary volunteers, packed to the brim with broadcasting equipment blasting on encrypted military frequencies.

Harmless from a combat perspective, useless for tactical goals, but just loud enough to draw the attention of alert Federal sentries. As they rerouted their border patrols and snatched up every battered ship they could find on short notice, you anticipated when and where they would make their move. Drifting through depopulated systems, you reached this lonely star with your armada, cleanly dispatched the local messengers, and laid in wait on the far side of the planet's moon.

As the Federation enters and begins the chase, you waited... waited... waited... then...

SPRUNG INTO ACTION!

The Federation is caught utterly off-guard!
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>>5887525
>The Empire's Armada

>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

Your armada, grand and glorious, is perfectly positioned to strike the gutter scum foe in the rear!

>The Federation's Armada:

>Federal Fleet (Roger Perkins)
>Cohesion: 5/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Franklin Graham)
>Cohesion: 2/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Sean Hodges)
>Cohesion: 4/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Adam Compton)
>Cohesion: 3/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

The enemy's vessels are so few, so battle-worn and dented, you almost pity them, but they are deserving of none!

FOR THE EMPIRE!

FOR HOUSE HEINRICH!

TO WAAAR!

>You've staged a successful ambush! During the first turn of battle, every one of your fleets gains +1 to its roll and suffers halved damage!

How do you want to engage the enemy?
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>>5887479
Nice.
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>>5887526
ENCIRCLE THEM!
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>>5887526
I say we engage their flagship with the Heinrich fleet, send the Mercs and minor nobles after the weakest enemy ship, send Seamus and Harold after Adam and the remaining three on Sean Hodges.

Basically distract their healthiest and strongest while we have the damage reduction up, then crush their other ships with superior numbers so we can all-in on their flagship the next turn.
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>>5887526
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich) feints Federal Fleet (Roger Perkins)
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen) feints Federal Fleet (Roger Perkins)
>Imperial Fleet (Harold) charges Federal Fleet (Roger Perkins)

>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer) charges Federal Fleet (Franklin Graham)

>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich) feints Federal Fleet (Sean Hodges)
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton) charges Federal Fleet (Sean Hodges)

>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips) feints Federal Fleet (Adam Compton)
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen) defends Federal Fleet (Adam Compton)

It makes sense that we'd use the 'offensive' strategies given we are ambushing and they are being ambushed. Though I had Brett Jensen defend because even though the bait were stolen vessels, I imagine we had a few mercenaries along with the fleet to make the bait more realistic, and to swat scouts that got too close. Plus, Jensen would probably want to preserve his personnel inside the bait fleet and his own, so I think it'd be in character.

The priority is the fleets with the most cohesion.
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>>5887536
>>5887526
+1 to this. Divide and conquer, full encirclement means they will fight to the death.
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>>5887526
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica) [FEINT]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus) [FEINT]
>Heinrich Fleet [CHARGE]
Engage
>Federal Fleet (Roger Perkins)
Crush their most cohesive unit decisively in the opening strike.

>Mercenary Fleet [CHARGE]
Engage
>Federal Fleet (Franklin)
Give the mercs the easiest target.

>Soluton Fleet (Thomas) [CHARGE]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II) [DEFEND]
Engage
>Federal Fleet (Sean)
Use the bonus from House Soluton to hopefully smash this one quickly.

>Minor Noble Fleet [FEINT]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold) [CHARGE]
Engage
>Federal Fleet (Adam Compton)
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Guys, read the naval mechanics in the linked pastebin >>5887468

Only my vote >>5887540 and >>5887542 are even formatted correctly to give QM all the information he needs to compute who we are voting to attack and how.
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>>5887546
More than half the voters not voting properly really is a /qst/ moment of all time.
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>>5887549
For sure.

To be fair to them, the naval mechanics are the most complex part of a quest that has Simple in its title. They aren't that complex though.
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>>5887542
>>5887551
My only question is what determines the choice of strategy. Is it circumstance or simply rock paper scissors? Because if it's circumstance then all of our fleets should [FEINT] no?
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>>5887378
I'll be keeping the girl and naming her Maggie. The rest of 'em are already spoken for, all going to good homes.

>>5887552
It's a rock-paper-scissors situation. Because every warship is moving at extreme velocities, even a fixed positional defense entails a high amount of manuevering, so in effect, every one of the three is aggressive. There's a lot of leeway for tactics. If you wanted to Encircle them, for example, the vessels pinning them would roll an attack for halved damage rounded down, which if successful, would keep a fleet from withdrawing unless it escaped. The tactics would then determine the approach to the Encirclement, or pinning. Just one example off of the top of my head.
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>>5887552
We choose the strategy for each individual fleet to use against their target enemy fleet of choice. The enemy likewise chooses their own strategies for each individual fleet.

The 1d6+1 roll for the initial ambush may seem like it may not have gained us much, since mass (raw numbers) counts for so much in this system, but it has imo. While fighting the entire remnant of their fleet is not ideal (particularly as the anon calling for the ambush wanted a defeat in detail), we do gain a first turn +1 to our rolls, which is the same thing as +1 damage if we beat their roll, plus our damage taken is halved, basically guaranteeing we don't lose any fleets in this battle.

Not to mention, I think the real benefit of our first roll was that we aren't facing the enemy over their planetary defences, which may have given them a big bonus, just guessing based off the descriptions of the Mukvir homeworlds for example. That, and the ideal scenario for the feddies was a combination of us wasting our time conquering the frontier and them not engaging at all. That way they can retain and repair their battle hardened fleets and get to construct new ones.

So the real benefit is destroying the enemy before they can add new fleets to the mix, even though we have to face all of the remnants all at once.
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>>5887556
>>5887558
I don't know if you guys understood my question, Im talking about the rock paper scissors system. What goes behind the enemy's choice in that? Is it based on random chance or the circumstances involved like the character of the commander, for instance.

Also Im the guy that wanted (defeat in detail) but I was talking about wanting the enemy to try to do that to us and then take advantage of that. No way they were going to split up their fleet in the state they're in.
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>>5887563
QM chooses which option the enemy uses. I imagine based on character and circumstance.

Also, the rest of that post was mostly me blathering, only the first line was really a response to your question, my bad for blabbing too much.
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>>5887563
Reading the first battle with the Merchant Holdings will probably give you a better idea of how the whole thing actually works in practice.
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>>5887565
If that's the case then, again, shouldn't pick [FEINT] for all our fleets? Though if an enemy is being target by multiple fleets and they pick a strategy that counters all of ours, does it counter one or all three? I don't think the rules covered that unless I missed it.
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>>5887542
Imma support this one
>>5887549
I love /qst/ user

Regardless, any anons have any ideas how to deal with the peace conference? I was assuming we take 20 worlds and then loot the remainder + tribute
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>>5887573
Full annex plus loot bro. We won't be warring for a while after it but it's better than fighting them again.
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>>5887540
The mercenaries did have several of their own ships mixed-in with the bait fleet. Brett Jensen is shocked that this went off without a hitch, as despite his high hopes for the Imperial Navy, he wasn't sure it could be done.

>>5887558
Orbital defenses are a significant factor in void combat. While planetary fortifications are largely irrelevant to the struggle for void supremacy, orbital defenses such as battle satellites and ground turrets can have an effect on combat fought over them. In practice, it's a random chance to cause damage to an enemy fleet, scaling by the cost and investment that have gone into it. Mars had 12/12 orbital defenses with a 60% chance to inflict 1d6 points of damage on an enemy fleet. These were partially restored to 6/6, with 30% to-hit for 1d3 before Alphonse's coronation, while the skirmishing from loyalist holdouts was still ongoing. You can also build orbital defenses but they are expensive, (requiring 1 economy per 2 points by default, although once built they're nearly a static feature), less versatile and lethal than war-fleets, and none of your Emperors (or Empress) so far have had a paranoid or defensive personality type that would've made the investment a default choice.

>>5887563
Ah, my mistake. Every admiral has a preferred tactic based on their personality that they'll default to until they lose, in which case they'll switch to a random tactic. If that works, they then have an even chance of reverting to their preference or continuing. If they're hit by the same tactic twice, they're likely to switch to its counter but not guaranteed. For an example, if Angelica weren't under your control her preferred tactic would be to Feint, and she'd then have a 50/50 chance to Charge or Defend if that didn't succeed.

>Also Im the guy that wanted (defeat in detail) but I was talking about wanting the enemy to try to do that to us and then take advantage of that.
That's why I assumed by the wording of it. If you rolled a crit fail, they would've outmanuevered you and ambushed a random section of your armada. This is almost certainly the worst possible opening battle for the Federation of Uvarth.
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>>5887582
To clarify the cost of orbital defenses, they are bought for an entire region, rather than individual planets.
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>>5887572
If three fleets are making a [Charge] at an enemy fleet and it [Defends] against one fleet, the target fleet takes the full increased damage and the other two are also countered, but their (likely otherwise extreme) damage is halved after the bonus is applied.
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>>5887582
What about the circumstances of the engagement. Is the fact that they've been ambushed by a bigger and better fleet relevant to the decision?

>>5887588
Then better to diversify than commit to one strategy for all attackers. Unless you know what they're gonna choose which goes back to the previous question.
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>>5887572
All three strategies are valid for attack or defence, so mixing it up is to prevent putting all our eggs in one basket, making sure that even if we lose one exchange, we win another. An enemy can only chooses one strat, it doesn't choose a different one for each fleet engaging it, I think. Hence why numbers matter so much.

>>5887573
Full annexation if we manage it. If not, then as many of the core worlds as we can manage + the frontier near our borders. Let them manage the frontier on the other factions borders, we don't want the extra trouble. In exchange they'll get peace and a time-limited non aggression pact. I'd also like us to write in a clause allowing us to choose (and it being specifically a choice, not an obligation) to come to their defence in the event they are attacked without breaking the treaty. Just because I don't want filthy aliens or the Chavenacs eating up rightful human clay before we finish the conquest. Or getting the credit for snuffing out democracy.

>>5887582
Thanks for the info. Seems a lot of thought went into this system, especially considering its origins.
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>>5887597
The fact that they're ambushed, outnumbered, and already damaged means there's a chance (counted separately per fleet) they'll attempt to withdraw rather than fight. If they do fight, they'll revert to their preference. Sometimes, flavour text may hint at their plans for the next turn, especially if an enemy fleet is engaged with a naturally talented admiral, but the only way to be sure is to see it in action.
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>>5887602
So it's relevant only to the decision to withdraw not to the choice of strategy? I think this is the last question.
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>>5887605
Yes. Although for those fleets that choose to fight, it'll be seen as either a last stand or prelude to a fighting retreat. The odds are stacked against them here, but they know that surrender means almost guaranteed death or disenfranchisement. At least according to centuries of propaganda.
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>>5887610
Found another question, from the pastebin:
>If a withdrawing fleet is engaged, if it wins, it doesn't damage the enemy fleet but flees.
What counts as winning here? Countering their strategy?
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>>5887613
Winning the roll I think. The strategies chosen are just a means to the end of winning the roll. Though I guess I should just let QM answer.
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>>5887600
I've spent a lot of time thinking on the combat system in general. Once I get back from work, I'll start up the next update with the highest voted set of tactics.

>>5887613
This is correct >>5887623, it's winning the roll. Don't hesitate to ask anything else if you're curious.
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Rolled 5, 5, 1, 2, 4, 6, 5, 5 = 33 (8d6)

>>5887533
>>5887536
>>5887540
>>5887541
>>5887542
>>5887573
This is it. The moment you’ve spent your entire life waiting for. There can be no fear, no hesitation. Only action!

You mobilize your imperial fleet to [Feint] Roger’s federal fleet!

Seamus’s imperial fleet moves to [Feint] Roger’s federal fleet!

Robert’s noble fleet rushes in to [Charge] Roger’s federal fleet!

Brett’s mercenary fleet swoops in to [Charge] Franklin’s federal fleet!

Thomas’s noble fleet [Charges] at Sean’s federal fleet!

Oskar II’s imperial fleet shifts to [Defend] against Sean’s federal fleet!

Carsten dives to [Feint] Adam’s federal fleet!

Harold burns thrusters to [Charge] Adam’s federal fleet!

Roger attempts to [Withdraw] from the battlefield!

Franklin tries to [Feint] Brett’s mercenary fleet!

Sean digs in to [Defend] against Oskar II’s imperial fleet!

Adam attempts to [Withdraw] from the battlefield!

The first round of battle commences!

Please say what you're rolling for.

>Roll 1d6+5 for Angelica’s Feint against Roger. +1 [Ambush], +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]

>Roll 1d6+4 for Seamus’s Feint against Roger. +1 [Ambush], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]

>Roll 1d6+6 for Robert’s Charge against Roger. +1 [Ambush], +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]

>Roll 1d6+4 for Brett’s Charge against Franklin. +1 [Ambush], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Strategic Counter (Charge)]

>Roll 1d6+4 for Thomas’s Charge against Sean. +1 [Ambush], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]

>Roll 1d6+3 for Oskar II’s Defense against Sean. +1 [Ambush], +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Defend)]

>Roll 1d6+3 for Carsten’s Feint against Adam. +1 [Ambush], +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]

>Roll 1d6+3 for Harold’s Charge against Adam. +1 [Ambush], +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]

>The enemy’s rolls are, in order-
>3d6+2 for Roger to Withdraw from the battlefield, against Angelica, Seamus, and Robert. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Withdraw)]
>1d6+1 for Franklin to Feint against Brett. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Feint)]
>1d6+3 for Sean to Defend against Thomas. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
>1d6+1 for Sean to Defend against Oskar II. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Defend)]
>2d6+1 for Adam to Withdraw from the battlefield, against Carsten and Harold. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Withdraw)
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Making a withdrawal doesn't have any strategic counter but it also lacks any strategic disadvantage. It's a neutral action, with little risk and less reward. At best, a withdrawing fleet keeps its life. At worst, it loses both its honour and its life.
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Rolled 6 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5887743
Damn they get 3d6 to run away? Man fuck that guy. Shoot em.
>Rolling for Robert.
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>>5887757
>12vs7=5 damage
>they only have 5 cohesion
>instagibbed their flagship
Get fucked.
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Rolled 6 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5887743
Angelica
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Rolled 3 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5887743
>Rolling for Brett
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>>5887763
Don't mess with the princess
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Rolled 4 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5887743
>Harold
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Rolled 5 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5887743
Seamus
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>>5887743
thomas
been a while since i rolled
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>5887823
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>>5887826
lmao they fucked
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Rolled 3 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5887743
Oskar
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carsten still needs a roll if any lurkers are here
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Rolled 2 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5887743
>Carsten’s Feint against Adam
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Rolled 1 (1d10)

>>5887743
Rolling for Carsten
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>>5887845
Wrong die size my guy. We roll d6s here in this quest.
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Rolled 1 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5887743
Rolling for Harold.
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>>5887865
Harold already got rolled
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>>5887847
Yeah, my bad. Luckily, I wasn't fast enough anyway
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>>5887743
Links in order

>Angelica 11
>>5887763
>Seamus 9
>>5887775
>Robert 12
>>5887757
>Brett 7
>>5887765
>Thomas 10 (the +4 was forgotten)
>>5887823
>>5887826
>Oskar II 6
>>5887832
>Carsten 5
>>5887844
>Harold 7
>>5887768
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>>5888015
I believe we got them
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It looks like a massacre.

>>5887757
They get a d6 to withdraw for each fleet engaging them and need to win every roll to flee.
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>>5888135
Oooh. That's rough.
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>>5887743
5+2 vs 11, 4 on Roger
5+2 vs 9, 2 on Roger, dead
1+2 vs 12, 9 on Roger, overkill (jesus)
2+1 vs 7, 3 on Franklin, dead
4+3 vs 10, 3 on Sean, 1 HP left
6+1 vs 6, 1 on Oskar (0.5?)
5+1 vs 5, withdraw success 1/2
5+1 vs 7, withdraw failure, 1 on Adam, 2 HP left, still in combat

We didn’t win all the exchanges. That said, with only two ships left for the enemy we’re very unlikely to not kill them next turn. Numerical superiority being what it is.
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>>5888135
I almost feel bad for the Feddies. They win a brutal war for their lives with the Vrakaks and no sooner are the fireworks finished than the Empire comes at them with a steel chair and absolutely T-poses all over them. Still, it's not over yet and those republican scum are nothing if not resourceful. Stay sharp.
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>>5888160
Imagining it from their perspective, the arrival of the empire is a terrifying, but seeing it from the empire's perspective, its fucking hilarious
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>>5887743
>>5887763
>>5887775
>>5887757
>>5887765
>>5887823
>>5887826
>>5887832
>>5887844
>>5887768
The federal fleet flees as fast as their engines can burst. Unfortunately for them, you anticipated this and have a screen of frigates and cruisers ready to drive the filth into your heavy gunnery. The plan is executed perfectly. An overwhelming majority of what remains after long years of war is annihilated in mere minutes.

>Angelica rolls 11, Roger rolls 7
>Roger's fleet loses -4 cohesion

Seamus, scion of Arthen follows his orders well and baits the few vessels left into better target vectors through an audacious maneuver. The enemy admiral counters well but with so little tonnage, any more than survival is impossible. In the end, they can't even manage that. Roger Perkins' fleet has lost all cohesion!

Roger Perkins' flagship, the 'Tattered Banner' has been destroyed!

>Seamus rolls 9, Roger rolls 7
>Roger loses -2 cohesion

Just as the shattered ruin of the once-veteran fleet spirals out, the glory of House Heinrich surges forth in full regalia! You had your doubts of Robert's tactical expertise but this puts them to the grave. Every shot is excellent, every move calculated, and in the midst of it all, 'Anna's Hand' orchestrates destruction. By the time it is done, not even rubble remains of the foe.

>Robert rolls 12, Roger rolls 3
>Roger loses -9 cohesion

Brett breaks his usual protective protocol to charge at the enemy and Franklin makes the grave error of trying to feint! In a surprising show of competence, the mercenary tears through his feeble screen and eviscerates all that awaits. Franklin Graham's fleet has lost all cohesion!

Franklin Graham's flagship, the 'Pride of Uvarth' has been destroyed!

>Brett rolls 7, Franklin rolls 3
>Franklin loses -4 cohesion

Thomas burns thrusters to go turrets-screaming toward the foe, who meets him with a stalwart phalanx! For all of Sean's desperation and tactical aptitude, his federal scrap cannot stand against House Soluton's artifice, and his fleet is broken apart.

>Thomas rolls 10, Sean rolls 7
>Sean loses -3 cohesion
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>>5888203
Oskar II moves with meticulous ferocity to break the handful remaining, however, Sean matches him blow-for-blow and clings to life! The imperial navy has such a vast advantage in this engagement that Oskar II's fleet is nonetheless left intact.

>Oskar II rolls 6, Sean rolls 7
>Oskar II loses -0 cohesion

Carsten moves to intercept Adam as he flees but his contingent of minor houses is disorganized! Adam sees right through his deception and evades it skillfully.

>Carsten rolls 5, Adam rolls 6
>Adam continues to withdraw

Harold assaults the enemy with the savagery only a commoner knows, and pins him in place! Adam fights well and mitigates losses but it's become clear that there is no escape.

>Harold rolls 7, Adam rolls 6
>Adam loses -1 cohesion
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Rolled 4, 6 = 10 (2d6)

>>5888205
You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:

>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

In a stunning display of expertise, the Empire's armada has suffered no damage!

>The Federation's Armada:

>Federal Fleet (Roger Perkins)
>Cohesion: -10/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Franklin Graham)
>Cohesion: -2/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Sean Hodges)
>Cohesion: 1/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Adam Compton)
>Cohesion: 2/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

Meanwhile, the enemy has been devastated so thoroughly it would be a miracle if their ships could limp back to the core.

It has become abundantly clear to them that there is not even the remotest possibility of victory.

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6+1 for Sean to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ideological Opponents], +1 [Deep Propaganda], +1 [Human Enemies], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6+1 for Adam to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ideological Opponents], +1 [Deep Propaganda], +1 [Human Enemies], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
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>>5888207
There are a few minutes of silence as both sides reposition your vessels, then you receive a wide-spectrum broadcast.

"Give me liberty, or give me death."

So be it.

Sean and Adam continue to fight!

The ambush is over but the Empire's armada holds an overwhelming advantage. This battle is as good as won.

How do you want to engage the enemy?
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>>5888211
Since it's a 4 on 1 for both, or even worse odds for one one them, can they actually win the rolls? The Heinrich fleet would roll a +7 even if it got countered in that situation. It can't roll less than an 8 and the enemy fleet can't roll more than 9 if they do counter. Considering that both of them are a sneeze away from death I think they'd just die.

But if you insist. Down the pipe then
>Angelica Charges Sean
>Seamus Defends Sean
>Harold Feints Sean
>Oskar 2nd Defends Sean

>Robert Feints Adam
>Thomas Charges Adam
>Carsten Defends Adam
>Mercs Charges Adam

The absolute lowest modifier our fleets will have is +5 for the lesser fleets.
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>>5888219
Sounds fine to me +1. Also how are we gonna divide the feddie lands? Give them to existing nobles, or allow them one last disgusting democratic action by forcing them to vote who amongst them gets uplifted to the station of the newest and least of the empire's noble houses?
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>>5888160
House Heinrich is as ruthless as it is pragmatic, and obscenely lucky. Seriously, what the hell's going on with these rolls? Hahaha.

>>5888219
At this point, it's a formality. If your own armada was in as hopeless a situation, I'd also have you roll for it, if you also chose not to surrender. The Federals might've gotten good terms if they had but it seems they'd rather fight to the last.
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>>5888211
Sure, I'll go with >>5888219

>>5888223
Partition between the participants of this campaign except the mercs. House Heinrich gets the lion's share whilst the rest is divied up to it's biggest supporters.

We really carried this a lot more than the last campaign so it's only fair we get more than last time as well. (I want our House to have a core of holdings to rival the other major houses)
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>>5888223
We did invite along some friends, so they're going to want a slice of the pie. Given that losses have been minimal thus far, we shouldn't have to give away so much as we did in the Merchant War in order to make it worth our allies' while. After that, I think we should claim the choiciest bits for House Heinrich and use the large windfall to bring some more smaller houses to prominence.
As far as postwar handling goes, we'll need to be really careful with the Feddies. Unlike the Merchants, they have a deeply entrenched democracy and a lot of cultural conditioning to go with it, so if we try and bring the boot down we could end up mired in Space Vietnam. Some political concessions will likely need to be made in the interests of maintaining order until we can eventually disabuse them of this nonsense.
I've also been giving some thought to what we're going to do after this. There's only so many planets to reconquer, so eventually we'll have to look for other options if we want to keep the momentum up. We've been on the fourth X for a while, perhaps we should go back to the first three Xs for a while - the stars do belong to us, after all. QM, how explored is our neck of the woods? Stepping back from the unpleasant business of war once we're done here to kick off a new golden age of discovery and expansion while our remaining rivals rest on their laurels sounds like a grand prospect.

Side note, what's going on with the archive? Why are we at -4? Is it Angry Anon still throwing a tantrum?
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>>5888275
I think someone is downvoting a number of quests at random. Several that have been archived this month have been hit with downvotes without any real reason I can tell from glancing through them.

But yeah, its probably that one crazy guy who threw a shit fit for half the thread, in our case
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>>5888278
Oh that guy was unhinged AF. Hating on us for allowing woman to have equal rights, in huge parts of being afraid of the daughters curse. Fucker knows we are still playing as an autocratic militaristic empire right? We are may be enlightened despots at the friendliest and ruthless punishers at the harshest. Above all pragmatic and adapting, but always on top.
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>>5888219
I will support this
>>5888232
Personally I want to give planets to those houses (the former admirals and the minors) who are on the verge of becoming Majors so we have a solid noble backing. Also some to our older sister since she is basically about to usurp Ustong with her monetary power.
>>5888278
He was my favourite goofy goober
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>>5888291
Sure, but before we do that we should take enough to establish ourselves as a major house. It's been said before by the QM that, besides the imperial throne, House Heinrich is a minor house at best. I want to remedy that before doing a handout and it's only fair since we've carried this campaign so much.
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>>5888293
This is true, even if we only take half the federation planets though I believe we can accomplish both since the only ones who helped is the imperial navy, the Solutons and the minors. Also I believe we can increase our houses personal strength after looting everything through a funny little trick by giving a fleet or two to the imperial guard instead of our personal retinue, though functionally it will behave the same, we get a free excuse

Regardless as for the major houses, Soluton and Nightshayd are in our pocket while Arthen will become a lot friendlier once that sack of bones bites the dust. The Rothsford and De Croizes are neutral while Ustong is almost belligerent because of our older sister. I say we just throw Ustong under the bus.they haven’t helped at all.
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>>5888295
Perhaps we could provoke a little civil war? QM has said they can be a useful tool if used properly and, once we're finished with Uvarth, we should have a strong domestic position. We could bait them into doing something stupid and slap them around a bit to put them in their place.
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>>5888310
Not really a need for a civil war. Just let our sister outdo them and the rest will flow naturally but yeah we would win regardless
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>>5888312
That depends on whether they come round in the future after their leadership cycles out or if we have other means to bring them onside (by hook or by crook) - note that Otto will not have our diplomatic acumen. If they refuse to do so, we cannot tolerate internal enemies like that, especially Ustong.
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>>5888319
I was hoping we just marry Otto to a De Croize so we can finally start turning around this technological stagnation and make our fleets even better
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>>5888319
Otto will be a bit like the beast Rabban if too many people would start rebelling. We need to get him even more tempered. If he needs to throw down he can crush anything, but he needs something get out his urges without causing damage.
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>>5888330
Speaking of Otto, he'd be a born ground leader but thus far we have done 0 (zero) ground combat. Are there special mechanics lined up for invading planets (which I assume we'll have to do shortly, unless the Feddies surrender)?
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>>5888341
We did have ground combat last thread against merchant holdings, let’s hope Otto doesn’t die
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>>5888364
Did we? I thought the Merchants just rolled over after they lost in space.
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Rolled 3, 2, 2, 6, 2, 2, 1, 4 = 22 (8d6)

>>5888219
>>5888223
>>5888232
>>5888291
The federals have already lost. You simply need to inform them firsthand.

You mobilize your imperial fleet to [Charge] Sean's federal fleet!

Seamus shifts to [Defend] against Sean's federal fleet!

Harold makes a daring [Feint] on Sean's federal fleet!

Oskar II moves to [Defend] against Sean's federal fleet!

Robert pivots to [Feint] Adam's federal fleet!

Thomas makes a frenzied [Charge] at Adam's federal fleet!

Carsten assumes a formation to [Defend] against Adam's federal fleet!

Brett attempts to replicate his success and [Charges] Adam's federal fleet!

Sean makes a suicidal [Charge] on your own imperial fleet!

Adam attempts a last-ditch [Defense] against Carsten!

The second round of battle commences!

>Roll 1d6+5 for Angelica's Charge against Sean. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]
>Roll 1d6+6 for Seamus's Defense against Sean. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Harold's Feint against Sean. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+6 for Oskar II's Defense against Sean. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
>Roll 1d6+7 for Robert's Feint against Adam. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+5 for Thomas's Charge against Adam. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Carsten's Defense against Adam. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Defend)]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Brett's Charge against Adam. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6+1 for Sean to Charge against Angelica. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]
>1d6+1 for Sean to Charge against Seamus. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
>1d6+3 for Sean to Charge against Harold. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Strategic Counter (Charge)]
>1d6+1 for Sean to Charge against Oskar II. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
>1d6+1 for Adam to Defend against Robert. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Defend)]
>1d6+3 for Adam to Defend against Thomas. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
>1d6+1 for Adam to Defend against Carsten. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Defend)]
>1d6+1 for Adam to Defend against Brett. +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
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Rolled 2 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5888377
Those rolls
They never stood a chance
Rolling for Angelica
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>>5888368
We did, it was before we engaged their fleet but we first invaded a planet
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Rolled 2 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5888377
Dice.
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Rolled 3 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5888377
I think with those rolls they legit cannot hurt our fleets. Even if we roll only 1s.
>Seamus
Guess I'll roll anyway.
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Rolled 4, 1, 2, 2, 5 = 14 (5d6)

>>5888377
I'll just put in the next five dice since this is basically just a formality as the feds are dead anyhow. This is for Oskar down to Brett.
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>>5888275
>>5888278
Now that is interesting. I suspect it's the anon that was irate last thread, which is ironic, as rigging a vote like that is samefagging. I figure the vote on the suptg doesn't matter as long as it's archived. Maybe it'll even get a red banner to stand out on the listing, kek.

>QM, how explored is our neck of the woods?
To answer your question, both extensively and not at all. During past ages of expansion, Mankind spread across the stars and the Empire held an incredible knowledge of the cosmos. However, the Empire has declined significantly to reach its (historically) current state and its potential was squandered by previous dynasties. Most of the knowledge of the stars beyond the border regions has been lost, and what remains is conjecture. I plan to make a crude map of the Empire and its neighbours once the war with the Federation is over, but getting it will be an in-character project to centralize the Empire's navigation charts. I'll also be making another internal map documenting how much territory the various major houses have.

>>5888341
There are some. Essentially, if you've established orbital supremacy you can conquer a planet at your leisure. The difficulty of the campaign is partially set by how fortified and militaristic the region is, but also by how heavily you choose to bombard their facilities on the ground. Generally, heavier bombardment means an easier conquest but less loot (and as some houses are insistent on, glory in battle) to be gained.

>>5888368
They did but before that, you invaded the Merchant Holdings' frontier to hedge your bets. It was a very brief campaign and their hired mercenaries surrendered almost instantly, so I don't blame you for forgetting about it. It had honestly slipped my mind before I saw you all talking about ground combat.
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>>5888381
>>5888385
This battle was brutal, on your part.

>>5888391
Fair, fair, hahaha.
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>>5888393
Both disappointing and excellent. Not only is there a whole galaxy to be rediscovered, there could be archaeology to do and lost colonies to bring back into the fold waiting out there. This should definitely go on the todo list, though if Albin doesn't get the ball rolling it's very unlikely to be promoted until whoever comes after Otto or even longer.
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It'd like to have an interlude PoV switch to the Federalist High Command as they plan and execute their 'ingenious' maneuver to ambush and destroy part of the Imperial Navy. Seeing how their hope of possible victory shatter immediately as they realize they've been played for fools would be magnificent.
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>>5888377
>>5888381
>>5888384
>>5888385
>>5888391
You crash against the last scraps of Sean's fleet! They strive against the throne in futility! You scatter the scum with your gunnery! Sean Hodges' fleet has lost all cohesion!

Sean Hodges' flagship, 'Homeward Bound' has been destroyed!

>Angelica rolls 7, Sean rolls 4
>Sean loses -3 cohesion

Seamus, Harold, and Oskar II methodically dismantle what remains in an inspiring display of imperial prowess!

>Seamus rolls 7, Harold rolls 9, Oskar II rolls 10, Sean rolls 3, 3, 7
>Sean loses -13 cohesion

Robert's attempt at a feint is clumsy and obvious as 'Anna's Hand' is too vast a danger to ever ignore, but his tonnage is such that he overwhelms Adam anyway! The federal ships are obliterated in short order! Adam Compton's fleet has lost all cohesion!

Adam Compton's flagship, 'Freedom Resounds' has been destroyed!

>Robert rolls 8, Adam rolls 3
>Adam loses -5 cohesion

Thomas, Carsten, and Brett hammer the enemy from all directions! The destruction is so complete and total, not even a tactical miracle could've saved them!

>Thomas rolls 7, Carsten rolls 6, Brett rolls 9, Adam rolls 5, 2, 5
>Adam loses -10 cohesion

You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:

>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

The Empire's armada remains not a step short of immaculate, to your delight and expectations.

>The Federation's Armada:

>Federal Fleet (Roger Perkins)
>Cohesion: -10/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Franklin Graham)
>Cohesion: -2/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Sean Hodges)
>Cohesion: -15/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Adam Compton)
>Cohesion: -13/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

Against you, the Federation armada has been annihilated so utterly that opportunistic salvagers will be sorely disappointed.

The 1st battle of the Federation of Uvarth has been won!

More than that, it was a Flawless Victory! This shall go down as one of the proudest days of House Heinrich! All thanks to you, Angelica, daughter of Alphonse, and the games you and your father played together. The battle was a total victory, but you find yourself weeping with joy and sorrow.
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>>5888414
You soon regain your composure. The Federation of Uvarth has at the very least lost the overwhelming majority of its navy, but it retains a strong hold on the hearts and minds of the masses here. The war is not over.

What are your commands?

>Turn back for the frontier. While the masses there have been devastated by war and are likely to surrender outright, you're more concerned that Federation officials may flee and start a guerilla insurgency.
>Continue for the core, as planned. It's likely they'll be able to scrounge up a fleet or two if given time, so it is critical that you break their defenses and seize their industry swiftly.
>Make for Uvarth itself. The capital of their Federation and symbolic core of their ideology, if it falls into your hands, the spirit of resistance is likely to be shattered in one fell stroke.
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>>5888415
>Continue for the core, as planned. It's likely they'll be able to scrounge up a fleet or two if given time, so it is critical that you break their defenses and seize their industry swiftly.
Make a fleet with what industry bozo? Get em!
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>>5888415
>>Continue for the core, as planned. It's likely they'll be able to scrounge up a fleet or two if given time, so it is critical that you break their defenses and seize their industry swiftly.
I sure hope we caught that battle on camera for the Propaganda reel.
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>>5888415
>Continue for the core, as planned. It's likely they'll be able to scrounge up a fleet or two if given time, so it is critical that you break their defenses and seize their industry swiftly.
Spread out and seize them! go go go go~
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>>5888415
>Continue for the core, as planned. It's likely they'll be able to scrounge up a fleet or two if given time, so it is critical that you break their defenses and seize their industry swiftly.
We may shatter this force but we cannot let them make 1 more.
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>>5888415
>Continue for the core, as planned. It's likely they'll be able to scrounge up a fleet or two if given time, so it is critical that you break their defenses and seize their industry swiftly.
Seizing Uvarth could backfire by rallying their spirits just as it could break them. They can’t build ships solely on spirit alone though. Take the core.
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>>5888415
>Continue for the core, as planned. It's likely they'll be able to scrounge up a fleet or two if given time, so it is critical that you break their defenses and seize their industry swiftly.
Good job chaps (and chapette), now let's get what we came for. And start stocking up on ticker tape and fireworks for their triumphant return.
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>>5888399
If you're (un)lucky, whatever's out there might rediscover the Empire beforehand, or another of the factions for that matter.

>>5888413
That's a brilliant idea. I'll do it once the warfighting here is over.

>>5888419
The propaganda reel is constant and inevitable.
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>>5888453
That's not concerning at all, I'm sure they'll be friendly and eager to have us back. We should just find and greet them first!
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>>5888429
You have no hesitation. It is imperative that you seize the core worlds before they can build up their forces. The armada reaches them in a matter of months. Compared to the richness of the Merchant Holdings, these fifteen stars are subpar, but they boast numerous urban areas, bustling industrial centers, and limping orbital fortifications. It appears the Vrakaks struck at them here as well, though not in sufficient force to win their war of expansion.

They don't hail your vessels as you approach but you know they must be monitoring communication frequencies.

How should you approach them?

>Demand their full, unconditional surrender under pain of bloody execution. They are in no position to resist and should know this.
>Offer to show them leniency if they yield. This will cause them to expect concessions if they agree, but it's sure to hasten the campaign.
>Ignore protocol and launch the invasion. These egalitarian reprobates are undeserving of mercy and you will not hesitate to crush them.
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>>5888453
>thought we were the USC/TER this whole time
>turns out we're Argon instead.
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>>5888477
>Demand their full, unconditional surrender under pain of bloody execution. They are in no position to resist and should know this.
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>>5888477
>Demand their full, unconditional surrender under pain of bloody execution. They are in no position to resist and should know this.
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>>5888477
>Demand their full, unconditional surrender under pain of bloody execution. They are in no position to resist and should know this.
The merchants got leniency and look what that got us
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>>5888477
>>Ignore protocol and launch the invasion. These egalitarian reprobates are undeserving of mercy and you will not hesitate to crush them.
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>>5888477

>Ignore protocol and launch the invasion. These egalitarian reprobates are undeserving of mercy and you will not hesitate to crush them.

Wew, great quest QM. I just caught up! I would argue for full military press - these guys are filthy ideologues and will literally never surrender. Better to smash them utterly.
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Rolled 6 + 0 (1d6 + 0)

>>5888490
>>5888521
>>5888530
>>5888550
>>5888558
The Federation is a blight on Mankind. You are disgusted by their affairs and their chief rabble-rousers deserve no better than death, but you are the daughter of the most upright and righteous man the galaxy has seen in centuries. Sinking to their level is unacceptable.

You offer the core worlds your terms. Full, unconditional surrender or bloody execution. They are each given twelve hours to convene and "vote" on their decision. You pace the bridge of the 'Emperor's Judgement', hoping against hope that they refuse and give you an excuse to commence invasion.

>The enemy's roll:
>1d6+0 to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ideological Opponents], +1 [Deep Propaganda], +1 [Fear of Parliament], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -1 [Recent Major Defeat]
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>>5888567

Jesus, are they going to self-destruct their suns or something? Too hardcore for us…
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>>5888567
Real Battotai hours here.
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>>5888567
OH BOY HERE WE GO KILLIN AGAIN
bet the heir is happy he gets to do some door kicking soon
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>>5888567
Their votes are so swift and unanimous you are convinced they must've been rigged. They begin broadcasting patriotic music and won't reply to your hails. Personally, you are delighted. You are considerably less pleased when you realize they intend to sabotage their own shipyards and critical infrastructure!

Moreover, of all things, a volunteer militia sallies out to meet you! Civilian ships, gutted to make room for cannons, crewed by those too old or crippled to fight in the navy! Mere fodder against imperial steel, but still, you have a fight on your hands!

There's no time to waste!

The Empire's armada has engaged with the core world's defenses!

>The Empire's Armada:

>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

Your fleet is no weaker than it was at the beginning of the campaign. You're confident in your chances of victory.

>The Federation's Defenses:

>Core World Orbital Laser (Harry Bridges)
>Cohesion: 5/8. 40% chance to strike for 1d8 damage.
>Core World Ground Turret (Dave Pickett)
>Cohesion: 3/8. 40% chance to strike for 1d8 damage.
>Militia Fleet (Nicholas Porter)
>Cohesion: 6/6. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]

Against you, the Federation of Uvarth has dredged a motley band of floating wrecks and idealistic fools. They are soon to die. However, you must be swift if you don't want to lose valuable plunder.

>Orbital Defenses have a chance to strike per turn without tactics. As they are always on Defense and designed with heavy sensors, you can only engage them directly, rolling 1d6 (applying applicable bonuses) against theirs. They are dangerous but much weaker without naval support.

How do you want to engage the enemy?
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>>5888588
>Heinrich Fleet [DEFEND]
>Minor Nobility Fleet [CHARGE]
>Mercenary Fleet [FEINT]
Engage
>Civilian Militia

>Imperial Fleet x3 (Angelica, Seamus, Harold)
Engage
>Orbital Batteries

>Soluton Fleet
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar)
Engage
>Ground batteries
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>>5888588
Support >>5888597
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>>5888597
+1
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>>5888597
Support
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>>5888588
Let them crush their own stuff while we just watch then leave to burn Uvarth to the ground leaving them to stew in the ashes of their own defiance with a simple picket blockade, we will see if in a few months of brutal starvation they'll be more amenable.

I caught up just now, good to see this quest back!
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>>5888597

Supporting.

>>5888618

This is tempting but these people are like cockroaches, and we shouldn’t let the fringe worlds get up to mischief. Better to crush their core worlds and then move to the fringes.

If we steamroll these guys flawlessly, we should probably just smash right into the alien space next and Exterminatus them while our boys reclaim the Feddie worlds
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at the end of the day if the core world sabotages all their shit and makes the loot worthless we should just crack the planet and make it an example for the lesser planets that remain
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If nothing else, nobody could call them cowards. Fools perhaps, but not craven unlike the spineless Merchants.

>>5888624
You mean the Vrakaks? That's a good point, there's no better time than now to keep going and crush that threat as well now they're also still crippled.
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Rolled 5, 1, 2, 2, 6, 3, 4, 4 = 27 (8d6)

>>5888597
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>>5888629
You are sorely tempted to let the Federals sabotage their own livelihood and wallow in filth of their own making, but deem their resources are too valuable to the Empire. You can't let them be squandered in their selfish, shortsighted hands!

You can't and you won't!

"TO WAR!"

Robert's noble fleet shifts to [Defend] against Nicholas's militia fleet!

Carsten's noble fleet [Charges] to crush Nicholas's militia fleet!

Brett's mercenary fleet makes a [Feint] on Nicholas's militia fleet!

You mobilize your imperial fleet to engage their Orbital Lasers!

Seamus's imperial fleet moves to engage their Orbital Lasers!

Harold's imperial fleet moves to engage their Orbital Lasers!

Thomas's noble fleet moves to engage their Ground Turrets!

Oskar II's imperial fleet moves to engage their Ground Turrets!

The Orbital Lasers try to target Seamus's imperial fleet!

The Ground Turrets try to target Thomas's noble fleet!

Nicholas's militia fleet makes a desperate [Feint] against Robert's noble fleet!

The first round of battle commences!

>Roll 1d6+4 for Robert's Defense against Nicholas. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Defend)]
>Roll 1d6+5 for Carsten's Charge against Nicholas. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Charge)]
>Roll 1d6+3 for Brett's Feint against Nicholas. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]

>Roll 1d6+3 for Angelica's attack on the Orbital Lasers. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage]
>Roll 1d6+3 for Seamus's attack on the Orbital Lasers. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage]
>Roll 1d6+3 for Harold's attack on the Orbital Lasers. +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Numerical Advantage]

>Roll 1d6+3 for Thomas's attack on the Ground Turrets. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage]
>Roll 1d6+2 for Oskar II's attack on the Ground Turrets. +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage]

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6+2 for Nicholas to Feint against Robert. +0 [Civilian Volunteers], +2 [Strategic Counter (Feint)]
>1d6+0 for Nicholas to Feint against Carsten. +0 [Civilian Volunteers], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Feint)]
>1d6+0 for Nicholas to Feint against Brett. +0 [Civilian Volunteers], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]
>3d6+1 for Orbital Lasers to defend against Angelica, Seamus, and Harold. +1 [Military Skill]
>2d6+1 for Ground Turrets to defend against Thomas and Oskar II. +1 [Military Skill]
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Rolled 61, 37 = 98 (2d100)

>>5888643
>For Orbital Defenses to successfully target enemy fleets, it's roll under. In a separate post, as the board can't roll different types of dice in the same post.
>1d100 for Orbital Lasers to strike Seamus's imperial fleet.
>1d100 for Ground Turrets to strike Thomas's noble fleet.
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Rolled 4 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5888643
ROBERTOOOOOOOO
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Rolled 4 (1d8)

>>5888647
The Ground Turrets manage to strike Thomas's noble fleet!
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Rolled 6 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5888643
>Carsten just murders the civvies with his buffs
What a guy.
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>>5888652
>carsten just dealt 10 damage in a single round
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Rolled 4 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

Rolling for Brett
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Rolled 6 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5888643
Thomas.
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Rolled 4 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5888643
I'll keep rolling to expidite this again. Angelica strikes!
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Rolled 6, 6, 6 = 18 (3d6)

>>5888643
Last roll for Seamus, Harold and Oscar in that order. Add bonuses seperately, though it seems this is already over. House Soluton once again eating damage but surviving, just like with Alphonse's invasion.
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>>5888667
what the fug
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>>5888667
Dear satan what a roll!

That does it, we need to sacrifice Uvarth and make it hell, the devil asks his due.
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>>5888667
The Imperial army once again proving they are unmatched, our cousins on the other hand are gonna need a few bandages it seems
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>>5888672
Glassing Uvarth itself from orbiy as a symbolic action to show what happens to those who defy the Emperor's will and would seek to divide Mankind against itself is the most based action we can undertake during this campaign and we should absolutely do it
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>>5888643
>>5888652
>>5888667
Jesus. These two posts alone could have wiped the map.
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>>5888667
What the actual fuck.

Satan take the wheel!
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>>5888667

This IS pretty bullshit, lol.

I vote for glassing the aliens next, it’s clear that Angelica has a lifetime of mass murder to make up for
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Angelica is proving the haters to be whiny little numale bitchboys.
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>>5888722
turns out having our own Lotara Sarrin is one hell of a boost
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>>5888643
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>>5888667
Despite the utter inferiority of their vessels, the audacity of the enemy’s maneuver leaves Robert wide-open! Only fierce noble discipline brings them to close ranks before the militia can score their hulls! Some of their number must’ve been veterans, because they pulled back before the worst damage could be dealt.

>Robert rolls 9, Nicholas rolls 7
>Nicholas loses -2 cohesion

Just as the militia begins to recover, Carsten proves that while the Minor Houses may be small, their martial prowess is no less noble! The contingent crashes into their side with such reckless ferocity there can be no escape! In moments, the back of the militia is broken! Nicholas Porter’s fleet has lost all cohesion!

Nicholas Porter’s flagship, ‘One Last Shot’ has been destroyed!

>Carsten rolls 11, Nicholas rolls 1
>Nicholas loses -10 cohesion

The mercenaries under Brett earn their pay by mopping up the survivors with merciless precision.

>Brett rolls 7, Nicholas rolls 2
>Nicholas loses -5 cohesion

You, Seamus and Harold plunge toward the Orbital Lasers, guns-blazing, and as they fight alongside you with demonic tenacity, you are proud to call yourself their admiral! Harry Bridge’s Orbital Laser has lost all cohesion!

Harry Bridge’s Orbital Laser has been destroyed!

>Angelica rolls 8, Seamus rolls 9, Harold rolls 9, Orbital Laser rolls 3, 7, 4
>Orbital Laser loses -11 cohesion

As Thomas swoops into low-orbit, the Ground Turrets manage to get a bead on the noble fleet! In seconds, the atmosphere is filled with flak and half of the Soluton ships, each beautiful works of craftsmanship, are irreparably punctured and crash to the earth or explode in mid-air!

The remainder of the Soluton fleet and the imperial voidsmen under Oskar II fight with hellish fury, and avenge their losses by inflicting a localized cataclysm below! Dave Pickett’s Ground Turret has lost all cohesion!

Dave Pickett’s Ground Turret has been destroyed!

>Thomas rolls 9, Oskar II rolls 8, Ground Turret rolls 5, 5
>Ground Turret loses -7 cohesion
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>>5888784
You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:

>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 4/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

The fleets under you have fought well, and with great distinction! Sadly, their groundbound batteries managed to inflict heavy casualties on your cousins in the Soluton fleet. You have your sympathies, and House Soluton will have its reward.

>The Federation’s Defenses:

>Core World Orbital Laser (Harry Bridges)
>Cohesion: -6/8. 40% chance to strike for 1d8 damage. +1 [Military Skill]
>Core World Ground Turret (Dave Pickett)
>Cohesion: -4/8. 40% chance to strike for 1d8 damage. +1 [Military Skill]
>Militia Fleet (Nicholas Porter)
>Cohesion: -11/6. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]

The Federation’s feeble effort to gainstay the march of the Eternal Empire has failed no less miserably than it deserves. All that remains of the feckless commoners is wreckage. Although, you must admit a faint degree of martial respect. It took courage to die with honour when they could’ve lived with shame. Then again, you suppose any cornered dog will fight…

The 2nd battle of the Federation of Uvarth has been won!

Thanks to your swift victory, the enemy shipyards were preserved!

Now, the ground invasion can commence!
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>>5888785
Before it can begin in earnest, you have two significant tactical considerations.

Firstly, how much should you leverage your orbital supremacy? Too little bombing and the conquest will be difficult, too much and the Empire will lose assets it could’ve otherwise gained.

>No Bombardment: The Empire’s ground forces will land and prove their might by conquering the core worlds of the Federation unsupported.
>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.
>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.
>Apocalyptic Bombardment: The Federation is an abomination that must be cleansed, therefore, the armada will target every sign of habitation without a care for future plunder.

Secondly, should your nephew Otto be allowed to participate in the ground invasion?

>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
>No. As much as you emphasize with his bloodlust, the boy is the Imperial Heir and cannot be risked. The Empire has already lost your father to a nameless thug, it will not to do to lose a prince!
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>>5888786
>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
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>>5888786
>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.

Originally was gonna choose light bombardment, like with the Merchant Holdings, but then I remembered their fervour for democracy.

It is sad to lose such prize industry, particularly when we know this is the industry that made a larger fleet than ours, but we have to break their spirit and avoid this turning into an urban slugfest or a rat warren for guerilla warfare.

>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.

He's useful, we know he wants this, how can we deny him the opportunity when we were given ours? He'll be furious if he isn't allowed.
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>>5888784
Poor Porter kek

>>5888786
>>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.
Y'all probably voted for this. Enjoy the unmatched power of the god of war, artillery.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
You can do it
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>>5888786
>>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.
>>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
an example must be n made
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>>5888786
>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.
Terror tactics don’t work
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
Otto I swear you better not die
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>>5888786
>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.

Give the boy a prestigious target to capture and let him have his fun.
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>>5888786
>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.

I will laugh if Otto dies here and we're left with the imbecile son
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>>5888786
>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.

Make them regret defying us
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>>5888786
>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
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>>5888786
>>5888914
(Conquering ashes and dust is no victory at all… shouldn’t a future Imperator be offered a chance for g l o r y?)
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>>5888786
>Heavy Bombardment: There are abundant urban centers filled with ardent believers in democracy, easing future assimilation is worth losing some industry.
Were it not for the fact that they zealously voted to defy us, I would've voted for light bombardment. Send a message that such defiance will be met with destruction, they've made their bed and they must now lie in it.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
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>>5888915
the mongols established their empire by offering surrender once then annihilating those who refused these people not only refused they are fanatical in their resistance i honestly think we should round them all up and ship them off world and get our men to work the shipyards here
the only reason i did not go with the Apocalyptic Bombardment is because I want those shipyards
i have voted but that was on my laptop differnt ID
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>>5888920
as add this the biggest planet but it is still one of many if every planet thinks they can pull some shitty insurgency because they think we are soft that will make this war alot longer
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>>5888922
>biggest planet
i mean best planet
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>>5888920
A. We aren’t the mongols. We’re in the space age.

B. If they continue to defy us, *then* we can break out increasing levels of suppression- but Otto’s first battlefield being on what’s basically a neutered wasteland is just… uninspiring.

C. Obliterating their civilian infrastructure will also sharply ravage the value of the planet.
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>>5888786

>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.

We should preserve as much infrastructure as possible.

>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.

Let the boy off the chain!
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>>5888786
>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.
Otto won’t want it to be too easy. On that note:
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
I refuse to be a hypocrite. Also, if he does die we have a second heir, and watching House Heinrich go further off the rails from a death at the hand of commoners would be interesting to watch.
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>>5888786
>Light Bombardment
>Yes
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>>5888926
these guys rolled better then the merchant houses for fighting spirit they will not go quietly into the night they will try to sabotage our ships and kill our family they need to crushed utterly and scattered to the 4 corners of the galaxy to frontier prison planets they cannot leave they will never accept our rule infrastructure and money matter but so dose security stability all the value we gain means nothing if they act against us in the shadows or in open rebellion further down the line especially if they try to get in league with what remains of the malcontent's from the merchant houses and that one royal house that hates our guts
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>>5888942
Although I expect an insurgency, I hardly believe it will be as bad as you fear. We hold complete orbital supremacy; we’ve devastated anyone who can reach us. Base our naval assets out of reach; just… don’t personally visit their territories, and how would they sabotage our navies or threaten our family to any significant degree?

Beyond the obvious issues of preemptively massacring future citizens who we suspect will but haven’t yet done anything- and ruining a perfectly good world in the process- we also have to consider the diplomatic angle. In doing this, we are the warmongers- striking a neighbouring state for no reason than their weakness. If we at least wait for an insurgency to *do something*, before slaughtering at minimum thousands, more likely millions of civilians- well, we’ll still be brutal conquerors, but at least it won’t be quite so easy to despise us.
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>>5888947
I'm unconvinced
Agree to disagree then it all depends on how the QM plays it in end
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>>5888786
>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
I want to conquer a planet, not a rubble pile, and Otto wants his fun.
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>>5888786
>No Bombardment: The Empire’s ground forces will land and prove their might by conquering the core worlds of the Federation unsupported.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
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>>5888947
>>5888952
For whatever it’s worth, I’ll offer a different reasoning for light bombardment over heavy.

The most sensible leader for tat least some of these worlds is Otto. He’ll be able to lay a stronger claim for them if he does well in the ground campaign, but more importantly he’ll have to deal with the fallout.

We know what he’s like. He’s violent and hungry for battle, things that have been channeled more constructively due to his training but still make up his core. If he’s going to indulge in that behavior in the future then he needs to effectively manage what comes after a war. A world with disrupted military capability is easier to conquer while remaining a jewel, but someone has to then run that planet with more limited assets and seditious elements throughout the populace.

It won’t be a fun lesson. It’s not playing to his strengths, and he may in fact make it worse if he uses too heavy a hand in policing his worlds. But it should let him better respect the work that goes into managing the “peace” that comes after a war. Mechanically, I’m hoping to give him an integration bonus for conquered territories since he knows what new planetary governors will need to pacify their populations. Destroy too much of the planets and he may not learn enough to justify that.
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>>5888786
>Light Bombardment: The Federation has a number of obvious military installations, needless to say, these must be removed post-haste.
>Yes. How is this even a question? The boy is strong and vigorous, by all means, let him at the Federals! Besides, you would be something of a hypocrite to hold him back.
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>>5888788
>>5888800
>>5888801
>>5888805
>>5888817
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>>5888908
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>>5888928
>>5888939
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>>5888984
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>>5889172
Some degree of bombardment is non-negotiable. Not only is it common sense, bar some penance needing to be served by the troops, it is a tactically sound and incredibly cost-effective means of softening the enemy before an invasion. The only question is how thoroughly this planet, among others, warrants bombarding. On one hand, it’s populated by a sweeping democratic consensus that will almost certainly take a hardline approach to noble rule with the potential to become a major pain.

On the other hand, it’s an industrialized region with a considerable amount of potential plunder, which would greatly improve the standing of House Heinrich to those who receive it. The armada is so numerous that victory is all-but assured. The only factors the core worlds are in a position to influence are time and casualties. In the end, though it pains you to spare their lives, you determine that the conquest of material profit is more important than the potential loss of manpower.

These ranks of men, in their hundreds of thousands, volunteered for this when they signed onto the Astronomicon Academy. They are baying for blood! Who are you to condemn them to thirst? Otto as well. You know the martial urge burning inside because it was the work of a lifetime for you to subdue your own. This may be the boy’s only chance to prove himself to be of worth outside of the throne. You will not deny him. He shall live or die by his strength alone. As an admiral, the thought of solitude is nearly alien. For you, the crew, mechanisms, and targeting vectors determine your survival. Your own input merely tilts the odds.
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>>5889250
On the ground? Otto’s might and tactical acumen have a pronounced effect. Even a poor captain may do well if he has high tonnage and a competent crew. A poor general will only find himself an early grave. You are confident in your nephew. Your sole hope is that if he dies, he kills a score of the uppity commoners before he goes. He is grateful.

"You have my gratitude, aunt Angelica. I'll carve your name in the barrel of my gun."

The light bombardment commences!

The core’s fortifications are softened!

The bloody ground war commences. Every fleet contributes a contingent of armour and infantry. Artillery is moot with the fleet overhead, but there are an abundance of portable mortars nonetheless.

Your strength is overwhelming but the Federals are stubborn. The men must march through mountains of smoke and gore to win these worlds for the Empire.

>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+4 House Heinrich’s forces. +1 [Imperial Heir’s Presence], +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+2 House Soluton’s forces. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 Minor Noble forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 mercenary forces. +1 [Military Skill]

The total must be 16 or higher to succeed.
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Rolled 2 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889251
I will roll a 4
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Rolled 1 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889251
First imperials
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>>5889251
>The total must be 16 or higher to succeed.
We can't actually fail based on modifiers and numbers. Is this a "how hard do you win" type of deal?
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889251
Taking 3nd imperial fprces
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>>5889256
It's to determine how many casualties are taken. There'll be two more to take the core after this, as the Federation is much larger than the Merchant Holdings and much more fortified.
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889251

Rolling
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Rolled 6 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5889251
Heinrich forces
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>>5889267

Our house is truly blessed.
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>>5889268
We are, after all, a martial house. One that's clearly found its land legs.
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5889251

Rolling for Soluton
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>>5889267
>War chant of the forces under the command of Imperial heir, Otto Heinrich, broadcasted on local and planetary frequencies

https://youtu.be/KjWrNgcHEuY
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Looks like the Feddies are putting up a really good fight here.
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889251
Rolling for minor nobles.
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>>5889274

I mean, we already have 28 out of 16, so I'd expect a decent enough victory, but it will see us take noticeable enough losses.
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889251
Mercs I believe are all that’s left
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>>5889252
>>5889254
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>>5889267
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>>5889275
>>5889277

38 total out of 16
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>>5889277
mfw a bunch of mercs showed up most of the regular Imperial forces
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>>5889278
Now how good is that is the question.
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>>5889279
The rest of our armies were too busy watching Otto and his men tear through the feddie lines with awe and arousal to fight effectively
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>>5889279
Worse is house Soluton taking another L.
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>>5889279
It’s what we are paying them for
>>5889281
This will do great for his marriage prospects
>>5889282
At least our cousins actually participate in our family outings
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>>5889279
Of course. They're there for profit. They want to win. They don't need the glory so they're going fight so fucking dirty it's unreal. But our poor imperial forces and Soluton's regiments are going to be mightily reduced and have a lot of shellshocked veterans. The Heinrich units though are a lot of very much alive and grizzled veterans.

>>5889282
They're shipbuilders, not warriors. It is to be expected.
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>>5889287
>This will do great for his marriage prospects
If we can get the damn boy to sit still for long enough
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>>5889288

We’ll have to reward them with a prime Feddie world since they got absolutely chewed up on assault here.

I’d also like to see House Heinrich take a couple worlds here, we’re still pretty poor as a House.
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>>5889288
Not worried about ground units, we have infinite amount of people to take their place, such is the power of an intergalactic empire
>>5889289
We managed to get Albin to do his job properly and we only had to let him create his environmentalist SS unit to do so, Otto should be easier I think
>>5889290
We will have lots of spoils so don’t worry about it
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>>5889252
>>5889254
>>5889259
>>5889265
>>5889267
>>5889272
>>5889275
>>5889277
The opening stage of the campaign goes well.

The imperial forces on the ground seize a number of key natural checkpoints and metropolitan areas. However, they suffer significant losses against federal militants and one contingent takes too many casualties to continue fighting. Another is damaged to the brink of routing, but are still able to march and fight. The war is complicated by the waves of volunteer citizenry who often overwhelm infantry squads in urban fighting.

The forces of House Heinrich fight with aristocratic distinction! Every engagement they personally attend, the resistance of the federation evaporates as they receive magnitudes more casualties. Rather than be an accessory to their efforts, Otto naturally takes a commanding role and proves himself an excellent commander, so much so more experienced generals defer to his advice and he soon gains an influence that outweighs his official rank. Further, his insistence on leading from the front and decapitating militants will do well for the propaganda reel.

The forces of House Soluton were already depleted by their losses in orbit, and are somewhat in disarray. They fight well but the cautious approach of their house does not avail them in the rapid-paced savagery of the field. In the end, the few hundred of them remaining must withdraw.

The minor nobles fight well and reach an accordance with the mercenaries, as both are driven by a desire to profit. The former, for the houses, the latter, for themselves, both without hesitation. Numerous cities are broken under their efforts. You find yourself reconsidering your initial appraisal of Brett, as he’s rather savvy when he isn’t piloting a warship.

The bloody ground war continues. Many casualties have been taken, but less than there could’ve been. The campaign isn’t over yet. Their efforts have weakened the enemy, but unlike void warfare, the struggle on the ground is long and brutal.

>Roll 1d6+0 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill], -1 [Heavy Casualties]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+4 House Heinrich’s forces. +1 [Imperial Heir’s Presence], +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 Minor Noble forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 mercenary forces. +1 [Military Skill]

The total must be 14 or higher to succeed.
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>>5889290
I don't want to reward them more just for dying, they'll still get rewarded but more for their contribution.
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Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>5889295
First imperial forces.
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889295
We'll need to bring the normal imperial forces up to snuff after this war is concluded, this showing is piss-poor right now. Otto has a lot of work cut out for him when he ascends the throne.

Second Imperial Forces die.
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889295
Third Imperial
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Rolled 5 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5889295
OTTO!
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889295
Show me what you got minor houses!
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889295

mercs
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>piss-poor first roll
>everyone else went on a slaughter spree
Otto must've taken overall command after the first retinue of Imperial Forces was destroyed and co-ordinated the whole campaign to victory. What a lad.
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>>5889307
I still am of the mind the 1's are just that force getting decimated cause they paused to watch Otto go full john wick or Kingsman church scene on the federation soldiers
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5889295
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>>5889299
We should do some massive scale wargames in advance of our next campaign, I'm talking planetary scale OPFOR exercises. Practice at taking cities, outmanoeuvering armies, cooperating with the Navy in orbit and the Air Force in the sky, integrating with allied units, resilience to EWAR/decapitation/loss of contact and so on. The Navy should also get the space equivalent. It'll definitely be an expensive undertaking, but worth it I think.
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>>5889312
I could see Otto and Angelica working that out together, if she’s still alive by the time Otto ascends.
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>>5889297
>>5889299
>>5889301
>>5889302
>>5889304
>>5889305
The second stage of the campaign goes as expected.

The damaged imperial contingent is lured into a pincer maneuver that leaves forty-thousand dead or dying. The shattered handfuls who remain are evacuated. The remainder of the imperial forces fight well, laying a determined siege to their industrial center and razing much of the heartland the defenders rely on. This is no concern. Soil can be made productive once more much swifter than cities.

In a show of audacity only a royal heir would be capable of, Otto pulls rank to seize control of the minor nobility. In a show of competence customary of House Heinrich, he leads aristocratic forces to break the imperial siege and shatter their capital, finishing what should’ve been a year-long siege within the month.

With Otto’s permission, the mercenaries break from the ground forces proper to begin harrying outlying borderlands. Their efforts do little for the campaign on a tactical basis, but strategically, they delay reinforcements and ease the campaign, at great risk to themselves. Luckily for them, the risk pays off.

The bloody ground war continues. The imperial forces have been halved at best and House Soluton is no longer participating, but the remaining nobles and mercenaries are going strong. Though the federals are weakened by the day, the resolve of those left is no less fanatical than when the fighting began.

The end of the campaign is in sight.

>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+4 House Heinrich’s forces. +1 [Imperial Heir’s Presence], +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 Minor Noble forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 mercenary forces. +1 [Military Skill]

The total must be 12 or higher to succeed.
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889318
First imperial go!
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Rolled 2 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889318

imps two
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Rolled 5 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5889318
Heinrich

Now start publishing photos of the Imperial flag flying over the Reichs--er, Senate House.
Speaking of which, any drawfags want to have a crack at a flag?
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889318
Minor Nobles, away!
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Rolled 2 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889318
Mercs engage.
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>>5889322

That's our boy !

>>5889329

Poor sods finally ran out of luck.
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>>5889322
Otto. Otto, plz relax, you’re making everyone else look bad!
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5889318
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>>5889267
>>5889302
>>5889322

>Otto whenever he encounters a single feddie soldier

https://youtu.be/-L5aCoB_SDg
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>>5889322
>otto the exact millisecond a target is placed in front of him
That boy just can't stop killing.
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>>5889359
alternatively https://youtu.be/iRE2Pgp47jI
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>>5889364
>Otto "Candyman" Heinrich
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>>5889368
>Federation president response when asked about the Otto advance "He can't keep getting away with it!"
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>>5889320
>>5889321
>>5889322
>>5889322
>>5889326
>>5889329
The final stage of the campaign proves the most hardfought of them all.

As the remaining federation soldiers are being beaten back from their metropolii, they break ranks to make a cunning assault on the imperial’s flank! They roll up one of the contingents, disintegrating the discipline in their ranks, before a minor lieutenant, Yannik Junger, takes control of the scattered regiments and counters it with an offense of his own! Against massed imperial armour pounding the weakest points of their formation, the enemy’s resolve crumbles. Even so, routing them is a struggle months in the making.

House Heinrich continues its conquest of the federation’s most densely industrialized region with aplomb matched only by their aggression. They are outnumbered three-to-one in almost every engagement, closer to six counting militia, and yet consistently defeat them with minimal losses. Otto coordinates the conflict nearly on his lonesome and repeatedly throws himself where the combat is thickest, only to rise above the rabble, again and again. By the time the federation is finally broken, the men of House Heinrich are zealous with hero-worship.

The minor nobility turn their attention to less significant but no less crucial targets, the remote quarries and foundries that fuel the industry. Here, the civilian resistance is at its least numerous but at its most vicious. Their regiments are confronted by scores upon scores of common men inured to backbreaking labour, unwilling to lose their dream of freedom, leveraging explosives and construction equipment in concert with stolen guns. The aristocratic bearing shows itself as the noble footsoldiers consistently cut them down and seize their assets.

As this is ongoing, the mercenaries find themselves bogged down in protracted warfighting against the same reinforcements they sought to delay. These federals are trained professionals fighting for a cause and, in this instance, better equipped. The mercenaries manage to disentangle themselves while crippling the enemy’s ability to continue, but it is a bitter struggle and leaves nearly half of their number laying in the dirt. At the very least, their efforts eased Otto’s.
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>>5889374
The ground campaign culminates in a storming of their planetary house of parliament, where many of their politicians choose to make a stand. They are a few dozens of old men wielding guns they can barely lift alongside the tattered remains of their garrison, but they’re willing to die for democracy and die, they do. Otto himself claims half a dozen casualties but his men are insistent it was threefold as many. Once the conflict is over, perhaps one-sixth of the enemy’s forces are in condition to be taken prisoner. The remainder died in battle or went low to the ground.

These captives represent a considerable threat. Under normal circumstances, conscription would be an option but given their tenacity, such a thing would be reckless at best.

How should they be handled?

>Mass executions. They dared to resist the Eternal Empire and they must suffer the consequences of treason against old Earth.
>Labour camps. These men are too dangerous to be free, they will be focused into a few camps where they can work under supervision.
>Show them mercy. Their resilience is admirable, even if it is for a hideous cause, and they will receive the treatment of any minor noble prisoner.
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.

He is the heir, and he did most of the killing himself, apparently
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.
Really curious.
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.
He is the heir, let’s see what he does now that he’s “won” a campaign.
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.
I believe Otto will be merciful, just fits his warrior archetype really, but this decision will also help shape the beginning of his reign I believe
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Also, those politicians went out like ballers. They coulda ran away or thrown the white flag, but they resisted till the last. That at least is worthy of respect, except the ones who didn't. They're lame.
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.
He's going to be the Emperor someday. He needs to learn to make these choices himself.

Also, I have interest in Lt. Junger. He performed well and far above his rank, and I think he'll go far like this. If he's a commoner, to deny him recognition based on that would be a waste of his evidently significant talents.
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>>5889376

>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.

As other anons said, the future Emperor will show what sort of man he is.
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.
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>>5889391

Support the Junger interest. Can we elevate him to minor nobility?
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>>5889415

Derp forgot my actual vote

>let Otto decide
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>>5889376
>>5889415

>Support the Junger interest. Can we elevate him to minor nobility?

I agree to that. Give him a knighthood, we can use that not only to reward the man, but also as propaganda that nobility, loyalty, honour is well-rewarded and that maybe one day, you too can become a noble, or your children, or your grandchildren. As for our own nobility ? They will probably not care since all we did was make this guy a knight and nothing more.
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.

>>5889419
>Junger knighthood

Agreed, we should support people who perform above and beyond the call

Alternatively, we could adopt him into the Imperial household…but that’s probably going too far
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>>5889376
>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.

Damn, missed the ground campaign, but boy, was it everything I'd imagined it would be with Otto at the helm. Man's his own personal Doomguy.

Taking Uvarth and the frontier is gonna be difficult now though, what with our horrible casualties. Maybe we ought to go for the symbolic total annihilation of Uvarth that one anon mentioned above, rather than attempting to take it. The frontier should be weakened and comparatively uninhabited, making its conquest easier, or its destruction less painful.

Anyways, lets see what the big man decides. It's dangerous to let them live, but whether in death, slavery, or mercy, they were worthy of respect. Bloodstained butcher, pragmatist, or noble knight, which will it be?
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>>5889470

Realistically we should gobble up half of Fedspace and consolidate, we’ve probably taken too many losses to take the entire territory and hold onto it securely.
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>>5889470
>>5889472
I mean, with the fall of the core they can't really do anything but sit and wait. We 've got complete void superiority and I think it will stay that way for the foreseeable future.
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>>5889472
Mmm, our fleet is still intact, save for Soluton's fleet. We can probably afford to take the frontier. Likewise, we can probably afford to obtain orbital supremacy over Uvarth and destroy any ships being constructed or converted in their docking berths. Prevent any last attempts to rally under a newly formed militia made of civilian ships, burn their military installations on the ground from orbit, etc.

Taking any more worlds will have to wait, though the frontier may be viable for that. With orbital supremacy we have all the time in the universe. New troops can be brought up, or a deal can be made with the houses that didn't participate in the campaign in return for troops. A small slice of the pie for their meagre last minute contribution.
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>>5889476
They could still hire mercenaries, and Uvarth itself probably still has some intact industry and formidable orbital defences. Until we take the capital, this ain't over. Likewise, while I claimed we could just wait around, we actually may not be able to because of the vulnerability of our homespace. While I trust most of the Houses aside from Ustong to keep out of trouble, the Reaver clans or some alien species may decide that now would be a good time for a raid. Hell, the Feddies could pay them to do it.
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>>5889470
Our fleet remains intact but our ground forces have taken a beating, though it seems we have now captured the most crucial part of the Federation, the frontiers will be lightly populated and defended so I have no doubts about taking that but the real problem is the capital and other such strong worlds where we may have to wait for extra divisions to come and replenish our exhausted ground troops.
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>>5889376
>>Let Otto decide. He did a great amount of the fighting against them, it is only fair that he decide their fate.
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>>5889470
Should have blasted them harder, man. Too bad anons chose to not show them the power of our fully operational battlestations. I guess instead of heavy bombardments on the core then the capital has turned into light bombardment and GLASS EM instead. Which is a waste. It's harder to replace a planet's entire infrastructure than just the industry on it.
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>>5889391
>>5889415
House Junger is a minor noble house notable for its tradition of enlisting every able-bodied man into the imperial army and contributing nearly a third of the written works coming from soldiers. Most consider them obsessive and their line has been dutiful in service for centuries, but has a tendency to fight on behalf of the imperial army rather than the sitting dynasty. During the conquest of the Merchant Holdings, Emperor Alphonse opted to give them a barren frontier world which they've largely repurposed into an open-air quarry and bootcamp. Yannik isn't a knight, holds no titles, and his prior track record was only average. Excellence was expected from Otto but this came as a surprise to everyone in the theater.

>>5889496
You'll have a separate choice for how to approach Uvarth's bombardment. That's likely to be a campaign in and of itself.
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>>5889496
Eh, I agree of course. Still, we won and now have the intact industry of the sort that could pump out enough ships to match the Vrakaks. Not a bad result, though our momentum has arguably been blunted.

Depending on the orbital defences around Uvarth and what they've managed to muster while we were storming the core, it may have been wise to wait for not only more ground divisions, but even more ships in general. Albin did subsidize the imperial shipyards on the eve of the campaign, and QM seems to be signalling that taking the capital will be difficult, maybe the equivalent of taking Mars at its height even. We'll see.
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>>5889377
>>5889380
>>5889385
>>5889387
>>5889391
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>>5889395
>>5889415
>>5889417
>>5889419
>>5889462
>>5889470
>>5889488
You are impressed by Yannik Junger and opt to grant him a formal knighthood. Coming from yourself, daughter of the dynasty’s founding Emperor, Alphonse reborn, this is an incredible gesture. The man weeps as the blade of your station touches his shoulder. May he go on to do great things. If nothing else, he has earned glory for his house.

Otto has fought an exceptional ground campaign and has won your respect. You already loved him as he’s your nephew, but recognition of martial prowess must be earned and he has done so in spades. You decide to waive the right to decide the prisoner’s fate and allow him to choose. His decree comes within the hour. The boy was raised by House Arthen and he has not forgotten their lessons.

The prisoners shall be shown mercy and treated with the dignity any noble warrior would receive. Their new cells are not comfortable, nor are they allowed their freedoms, but they have kept their lives and have been spared the rigour of working to support their own conquest. This is more than they were expecting and contrary to their propaganda. You are slightly disappointed but unsurprised.

Otto’s explanation is simple.

“These men fought with honour. They’ll get it back in return. Any less would be a stain on our line.”

Interesting enough. You suppose he’s the chivalrous sort, then. Hopefully, there won’t be any friction with your sister-in-law’s family during his future reign… But that is a political consideration and you are at war. You must return to the conflict.

The Federation of Uvarth has lost the entirety of its active navy and a significant share of its industrial capacity, if not the overwhelming majority. You would not be surprised if they held a reserve but your armada is of such immensity there’s little need for worry. You need to make a decision on the next step.

What should be done?

>Turn back to the frontier. It’s likely they’ll surrender outright but if not, their resistance is likely to be a speedbump and it would do the Empire well to gain new, wider borders. Other reasoning is that this would give you the chance to tamp down on guerilla warfare before it starts and damage the will of Uvarth, by demonstrating to them that they are truly alone.
>Advance on their capital. The jewel at the center of their democratic crown, sure to be armed to the teeth and bitter, but you can’t have truly conquered the Federation without Uvarth. The imperial data on the system is sparse but consistent, it is resource-rich enough to prop up such an inefficient ideology for centuries and symbolically or no, worth the effort of conquest.
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>>5889518
>>Turn back to the frontier. It’s likely they’ll surrender outright but if not, their resistance is likely to be a speedbump and it would do the Empire well to gain new, wider borders. Other reasoning is that this would give you the chance to tamp down on guerilla warfare before it starts and damage the will of Uvarth, by demonstrating to them that they are truly alone.
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>>5889518

>Turn back to the frontier. It’s likely they’ll surrender outright but if not, their resistance is likely to be a speedbump and it would do the Empire well to gain new, wider borders. Other reasoning is that this would give you the chance to tamp down on guerilla warfare before it starts and damage the will of Uvarth, by demonstrating to them that they are truly alone.

This might be unpopular, but how many empires have overstretched themselves, leading to ruin.

We should instead swallow and digest their frontier worlds and immediately commit ourselves to a longer conflict with the Feds. Basically, we need to be constantly degrading their ability to produce warships through any means necessary, raiding into their territory unexpectedly, etc etc.

Degradation and Destruction of Uvarth’s shipyards would be our #1 priority, either through terrorism, subterfuge or force of arms
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>>5889518
Can we do some quick repairs to our ships and a conscript some of the prisoners?
>Advance on their capital. The jewel at the center of their democratic crown, sure to be armed to the teeth and bitter, but you can’t have truly conquered the Federation without Uvarth. The imperial data on the system is sparse but consistent, it is resource-rich enough to prop up such an inefficient ideology for centuries and symbolically or no, worth the effort of conquest.
Though we shouldn't assault it like we did here but siege it instead. Don't let them recuperate enough for us to have an even bigger slog later.
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>>5889518
>Advance on their capital. The jewel at the center of their democratic crown, sure to be armed to the teeth and bitter, but you can’t have truly conquered the Federation without Uvarth. The imperial data on the system is sparse but consistent, it is resource-rich enough to prop up such an inefficient ideology for centuries and symbolically or no, worth the effort of conquest.
because the frontiers are so lightly defended and a non-threat is why we should gun for the capital but prepare for siege. We need to replenish our ground forces while also making sure any reserve armada is blown up, then we can send a naval detachment to quickly take care of the frontier
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>>5889518
>Turn back to the frontier. It’s likely they’ll surrender outright but if not, their resistance is likely to be a speedbump and it would do the Empire well to gain new, wider borders. Other reasoning is that this would give you the chance to tamp down on guerilla warfare before it starts and damage the will of Uvarth, by demonstrating to them that they are truly alone.
Trying to take the whole thing at once is a trap that will overextend us. We'll have our work cut out for us pacifying and integrating the other coreworlds and frontier and it'll be a bloody campaign even if they're already beaten in space. Better to leave the rest of the Federation as an economically and industrially gutted rump state incapable of seriously threatening us that we can come back to in the future.
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>>Turn back to the frontier. It’s likely they’ll surrender outright but if not, their resistance is likely to be a speedbump and it would do the Empire well to gain new, wider borders. Other reasoning is that this would give you the chance to tamp down on guerilla warfare before it starts and damage the will of Uvarth, by demonstrating to them that they are truly alone.
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>>5889528
>Can we do some quick repairs to our ships and a conscript some of the prisoners?
You can but requisitioning the parts and processing the prisoners would bog you down for longer. At best, it would be a few more weeks, at worst, undercover Federalists could attempt sabotage, negating gains and holding back the campaign for as long as a year. Sieging Uvarth is as viable a strategy as assaulting it outright, but would require you to establish orbital supremacy and take much longer.
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>>5889518
>Advance on their capital. The jewel at the center of their democratic crown, sure to be armed to the teeth and bitter, but you can’t have truly conquered the Federation without Uvarth. The imperial data on the system is sparse but consistent, it is resource-rich enough to prop up such an inefficient ideology for centuries and symbolically or no, worth the effort of conquest.

Just achieve space dominance. Once the shipyards and orbital defences are gone, we can simply bomb their ground installations before turning around towards the frontier. The fleets with depleted ground components can stay to maintain the blockade.

I don't wanna conscript the prisoners though. Even if they've been shown honour, if they are anything like modern militaries then their soldiers will appreciate the good treatment but still be obliged by duty to attempt to escape and return to fight. They've shown their will to fight, I don't want to give them a chance to show it again. Just request further army divisions from back home.
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>>5889525
>>5889526
>>5889534
>>5889535
I hope you anons won't vote to end the campaign after this. I don't want us to have to pay people off again to raise these forces.

>>5889537
Not worth it then. I once agaim advocate for sieging Uvarth though.
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>>5889540
Sometimes you have to do things you don't want, mijo. Sides, leaving it as a vestigal power stripped of their key economic and industrial assets should mean we can take them without having to scrape up allies next time.

However, this depends on how much Federation there actually is left (which is quite unclear) since to leave most of the Fed still standing doesn't tick those boxes. QM, have we only taken a singular planet after all this? How many important coreworlds are still in Federation hands?
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>>5889540

We’ve already won a ridiculous victory and dealt a hugely significant blow to their space empire, I honestly think the best (and least risky) strategy from here is to keep up the pressure, consolidate the frontier, and then grind them down over a decade or two. They won’t be able to match our ship output.
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>>5889552
> Sides, leaving it as a vestigal power stripped of their key economic and industrial assets should mean we can take them without having to scrape up allies next time.
Or they can make their world a fortress that would require an overwhelming force or a super weapon to conquer. I referenced imperial japan before, if we're going to invade the home isles then better to keep up the pressure so they don't make it even more of a slog.

>>5889559
Then we better not disband these force like I said we shouldn't.
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>>5889518
>Advance on their capital. The jewel at the center of their democratic crown, sure to be armed to the teeth and bitter, but you can’t have truly conquered the Federation without Uvarth. The imperial data on the system is sparse but consistent, it is resource-rich enough to prop up such an inefficient ideology for centuries and symbolically or no, worth the effort of conquest.
Given Otto’s actions here there’s a chance he can get the frontier to simply surrender once we take the rest. We have the propaganda materials to show them, and the core worlds are intact enough that people can still visit them later.

Show them their own propaganda was just that, and living back under the Empire isn’t actually that bad.

If the capital siege goes well enough we may also just conquer them afterwards. We’ll see.
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>>5889518
>Advance on their capital. The jewel at the center of their democratic crown, sure to be armed to the teeth and bitter, but you can’t have truly conquered the Federation without Uvarth. The imperial data on the system is sparse but consistent, it is resource-rich enough to prop up such an inefficient ideology for centuries and symbolically or no, worth the effort of conquest.
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>>5889561
Aye, they might try. But if they do, we can deal with that later but the fact remains that I think trying to assimilate the entire Federation in one big go is more than we can chew and possible future problems that we can tackle at our leisure is worth avoiding a big problem that will explode in our face now.
And as >>5889559 said, we don't actually have to sign a peace with them. Keep them on their toes, grind at them with skirmishing, break their interplanetary transport lines and generally make life miserable for them and them unable to undertake anything like that without the necessary resources or us blowing it up. Just secure and consolidate our gains before trying to swallow even more.
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>>5889561
To be fair, quoting QM "Mars had 12/12 orbital defenses with a 60% chance to inflict 1d6 points of damage on an enemy fleet" and "You can also build orbital defenses but they are expensive, (requiring 1 economy per 2 points by default, although once built they're nearly a static feature), less versatile and lethal than war-fleets".

If even Mars only had 12 cohesion and 60% chance to even get to roll damage (though crucially they don't need to compare the difference between rolls on their damage, they presumably just take no damage if the attacker loses the roll and do none in return, only doing damage on their die that follows after the d100) then I doubt a hypothetical rump state Uvarth can afford the Economy to build an invincible defence. Particularly in a short time frame, with each turn being 5 years typically.

Not to mention the attacking fleets get a stacking [Numerical Advantage] bonus for every fleet engaged against the defences. Honestly this is part of why I want to take the capital's orbit. Then they only can build ground batteries rather than orbital ones and ground defences, and they'll be no fleet to supplement them. So even if a siege takes years, enough for a turn to pass while we rebuild our army, they still won't be able to pump out many worthwhile defences.

I'm fine with either scenario though, I'm confident that they won't make some sort of super fortress, so long as we don't end up waiting 20 years before starting another war or commencing the ground invasion.
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>>5889552
The Federation of Uvarth consists of 40 systems. Of them, 15 could be considered core worlds while 24 are frontier worlds that have little industry or habitation but are nominally controlled by the Federation. The last is Uvarth itself.

>QM, have we only taken a singular planet after all this?
You've seized the core worlds surrounding Uvarth in their entirety, as the Federation's navy has been annihilated and they aren't willing to lose what little they have remaining. The process of territorial conquest is somewhat abstracted, much like the naval combat. The ground warfare is best thought of as a series of snapshots reflecting the campaign as a whole.

>How many important coreworlds are still in Federation hands?
In military terms, none, as you've cut-off Uvarth and claimed them through force of arms. In political terms, functionally all of them, they're just held at bay by your garrisons and orbital supremacy. The difference in naval power between the Empire and the Federation by now is so severe that guerilla warfare or a brutal siege is the best they can hope for if this continues. That could change if they're given time but as you have a stranglehold on the core's shipyards and the resources of the Empire backing you, there's little-to-no hope of reaching parity.

Much like your own imperial fleet, the federal fleet Angelica ambushed and annihilated took them decades to manufacture and the civilian militia fleet the armada crushed was a last-ditch effort fielded at the cost of critical personnel and their economic future. In 21st century terms, it would be the equivalent of bolting a 150mm cannon into a cargo ship crewed by retirees to stave off an imminent, overwhelming invasion so that they can buy time to burn their factories.

The war has gone on for three and a half years so far. That's one year per naval turn and half a year per ground engagement on the core worlds. Considering the number and determination of the core, that was a lightning-fast campaign. Every time a dice is rolled, some time passes but the amount varies.
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>>5889575
I think what you are saying makes more sense for the process of integrating the populace, the part Alphonse died doing after post-war. Integrating the populace in chunks rather than all at once sort of makes sense. However, fate would seem to hand seemingly the entire federation to us on a silver platter, so it seems we are going to be swallowing it all. There may be discontent amongst the nobles and military if we turn away now.

I disagree with grinding them down over 20 years for the process of the actual war though. Our fleet is almost entirely intact, there is no reason not to obtain space supremacy, short of being shown that their defences are absurd. The problem is the ground invasion, but a siege is perfectly viable if we want a slow, non-risky strategy.
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>>5889583
Indeed, I'm talking about integrating the populace. Pause for a couple of decades to crush any stay-behinds, build compliance, dismantle resistance networks, set up new government structures and nip any uprisings in the bud on what we hold.
Grinding them was perhaps less about actually wearing them down (they're already down), but more in a sense of keeping them down and stopping any recovery so they're still a soft target (or, at least, no harder than they are now) when we go after the rest of them. With the damage we've done to them (and them to themselves), it would be a trivial matter.

In any case, it seems we've already conquered most of the Federation's population so it's a moot point anyway.
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Rolled 2 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5889525
>>5889526
>>5889528
>>5889533
>>5889534
>>5889535
>>5889537
>>5889539
>>5889562
>>5889564
In the years to come, you may look back on these days as the most important of your life. Future scholars of the Empire will scrutinize your every decision during this campaign. More importantly, the dynasty to come will look to your example for inspiration. Who are the Heinrichs, truly? Their identity as a bloodline is not yet carved in stone.

The momentum is yours and you must seize it!

“Burn thrusters for Uvarth! This sickly Federation has been a festering eyesore on our navigators for far too long.”

The armada advances to Uvarth!

Your fleets emerge in the system to see breathtaking video feedback. In the long centuries since their departure from the Empire, they have spread to take full advantage of their home star. Every clump of asteroids boasts glimmering mining facilities, each of the nineteen rocks orbiting this yellow star and each other features a bustling colony city of in its own right, and there, fourth from the star, lays the splendour of Uvarth itself. Oh, it is no match for Mars.

It lacks the refined beauty of age-old terraformation, the industrial might echoing from its orbital shipyards, but it has a charm all of its own. Deep oceans, warm continents, and an urban sprawl that’s tenuously avoided expanding to choke either. The planet is magnificent, despite the banal shortsightedness of its benefactors. It would be a worthy conquest indeed. You see a number of defenses, as expected. Though less than you anticipated. A constellation of orbital lasers and a lone, weary fleet on garrison duty…

You brace yourself as mutual comms are broadcast.

>The enemy's roll:
>1d6+1 to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ideological Opponents], +1 [Deep Propaganda], +1 [Fear of Parliament], +1 [Sovereign Capital], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -1 [Recent Major Defeat]
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>>5889518
>Advance on their capital. The jewel at the center of their democratic crown, sure to be armed to the teeth and bitter, but you can’t have truly conquered the Federation without Uvarth. The imperial data on the system is sparse but consistent, it is resource-rich enough to prop up such an inefficient ideology for centuries and symbolically or no, worth the effort of conquest.

Seize the orbit, and then we can take the ground as we wish (probably siege).
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>>5889615
bit late there, chum
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>>5889608
To your astonishment, you receive a formal offer of surrender. Their terms are stringent and doubtless have been debated over to no end. You consider them carefully and keep yourself alert for any tricks.

>The Federation’s Terms:
>They want…
>To retain their national autonomy, continue holding elections, and keep their current territory.
>To commence mutual trade and immigration, through the proper channels.
>A grant of civic aid for their war-ravaged worlds, which they’ll repay on the recovery of their economy.
>A portion of the imperial navy to patrol their territory, in lieu of their destroyed armada.
>To embark on a joint campaign to exterminate the Vrakaks species, at an unspecified point in the future.

>In exchange…
>The Empire will be allowed to hold a garrison and embassy on each of their worlds, supervise elections, and collect taxes.
>The Empire will be allowed to delegate these tasks to any unelected noble officials of their choosing.
>The Emperor will be rendered legally equal to their Prime Minister, with the right to veto and propose new legislation.
>The Prime Minister will swear an oath of forbearance and humility in relation to the Empire upon induction into office.
>The Empire will be granted control of their shipyards, with the addendum that one half of their production be allowed for the Federation’s defense.
>The Empire will be granted full control of all non-state Corporate assets, to do with as they see fit.

Throughout the document, they emphasize the need for unity among Mankind and an end to internecine conflict, but there are no terms attached to this. You suspect it may be a formality in their proceedings.

This is much more organized than the Merchant Holdings’ blanket surrender, you’ll give them that much.

How should you handle this?

>Accept their surrender. These terms are reasonable and would render the Federation a vassal-state. Of course, the Empire would have less to gain than in full conquest.
>Negotiate different terms. While the Empire is open to peace, the current terms are unacceptable. (What is your new proposition?)
>Commence the invasion. The gall of the bureaucrats to send you a contract is grotesque! They must be brought to heel immediately!
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>>5889648
We fucked them up, can glass their homeworld RIGHT NOW, and they expect us to not only give all of their shit back after we bled for it, but PAY THEM to fix it and then fight a war for them down the line, while also keeping their anathemas governing system that had already caused us so much grief? These guys are fucking insane.
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>>5889648

>Negotiate different terms. While the Empire is open to peace, the current terms are unacceptable. (What is your new proposition?)

Let us put this into terms they can understand.

Right now, the Federation may as well be imperial property. They haven't an ounce of leverage, and we could obliterate these bureaucrats, and their families, and their friends' families, and so on. Right now, the Empire is willing to accept a peaceful surrender only because they'd rather not damage their new goods. Unconditional surrender and a complete dissolution of the Federation are the only acceptable terms. If they find that disagreeable, we can easily do this the hard way.
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>>5889655
I said anathematic you shitter autocorrect. kek

>>5889648
>>Negotiate different terms. While the Empire is open to peace, the current terms are unacceptable. (What is your new proposition?)

>we will take all territory adjacent to us, including the majority of their core worlds, so that they may have an avenue into space AWAY from our heartland
>their government shall be dissolved and replaced with a proper hierarchy
>humanitarian efforts will be made for the core worlds they keep though military infrastructure will be left to them to repair
>they will formally become a protectorate of our empire and defer to the throne's judgement
They'll be integrated after they acclimatize to their new lot. It may take decades. Maybe even a century or more but it'll happen. And we won't have to deal with them being pissants as much as the corps were.But we are essentially just making them into a satellite state reliant on us. Their military recovery will take so long they won't be able to actually start any hostile action until the people who would remember life before are dead or too old to matter.

Alternatively,
>we tell them to suck a dick and totally surrender or we turn their planet into an ice sculpture after we bomb it so hard even the atmosphere is blown away.
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>>5889648
>Negotiate different terms. While the Empire is open to peace, the current terms are unacceptable. (What is your new proposition?)

1. The Federation is dissolved and absorbed fully into the Empire
2. All prisoners will be released and the Empire will foot the bill for reconstruction efforts
3. All Federation leaders, officers and soldiers will receive blanket amnesty for actions carried out during the war
4. The Empire will commit to a campaign to exterminate the Vrakaks species, at an unspecified point in the future.

The gall of these people - promising that his Imperial Majesty is equal to some petty elected official

If they refuse, we shall burn a path through all those who resist
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>>5889648
I guess this fits with the roll of 3, but god dayum, what in the Emperor's name do they think they are doing offering terms like this.

We've shown we can be merciful, I'm tempted to show the rest of the fed worlds that we can be apocalyptically harsh as well. Glassing Uvarth could go either way, it could stamp out dissent or make martyrs out of them all.

Speaking calmly though, I actually am ALMOST okay with this, them being 'autonomous' isn't that different from the semi-decentralized system of feudal nobility we have going on. It is sort of like having another Major House.

Still, the lack of nobility is unacceptable, so is keeping their entire territory, we are absolutely splitting off their core worlds to enrich our own house, and that of Soluton and the Minor Houses that stood with us. I'll vote against anyone who says otherwise.

>Hypothetical alternate peace terms draft: 1, We're taking their core worlds. They can develop the frontier into new core worlds in time and with effort. 2, they must have nobility, they can have a elective aristocracy, elected from a select pool of nobles, but there must be a series of noble bloodlines. The different classes and their separate legal privileges are a key part of our legal and cultural framework, they cannot be integrated into the empire without it. 3, The Emperor is above whomever they choose to elect, period. Don't insult us, they can form a Major House or split off into several Minor Houses, but this talk of equality between the Emperor of all Mankind and a subordinate is nauseating. The rest regarding civic aid and the extermination of the Vrakaks is okay.

Otherwise I'm voting to commence the invasion.
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>>5889668
>>5889672

Supporting, let’s drive a hard bargain here.
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>>5889648
I laughed a bit when I saw the terms, I respect the sheer audacity
>Commence the invasion. The gall of the bureaucrats to send you a contract is grotesque! They must be brought to heel immediately!
Once we bloody them up a bit we can see about terms that aren't made by a person with schizophrenia
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The entire crux of this campaign was to dismantle the Federation as it stands and bring the rogue polity to heel. Total annexation is negotiable, but this treaty is politically and ideologically unacceptable in a major way as is. As such, I support >>5889668's counter-terms.

They have 48h to accept before picrel commences. They may accept at any point after that if they decide they've had enough. Preferably before they have no government left to accept.
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>>5889648
>Negotiate different terms. While the Empire is open to peace, the current terms are unacceptable. (What is your new proposition?)

Well, they’re at least talking. I have simpler terms that are better than “unconditional surrender” at least.

They give
>The dissolution of their national government, with control moving to the Empire.

Effectively, surrender. We can do what we will afterward.

In exchange, we give:
>A blanket amnesty for all in the Federation, meaning that no one will be prosecuted or killed for actions taken in this war or in prior ones.
>The guarantee that all private-owned industries within the (former) Federation will remain as such for a period of 25 years, with ownership not to transfer to individuals outside of (former) Federation space. After 25 years, they will be treated no differently from the rest of the Empire.
>After 25 years, individuals with known loyalties or parentage to (former) Federation space may lead their own noble houses. Until such time, they must remain under an existing House.
>Ships constructed from their facilities may not be taken beyond (former) Federation space for 25 years or until they reach parity with what they had during the war with the bugs.

We will not kill them or imprison them for anything done prior to the war. We also ensure they get to keep non-State assets for a generation, but in exchange they can’t have a leading position in “government” until that period has worn off. They may also drop these two items and simply accept the blanket pardon.

It should take far longer to reconstruct their fleet, so the bit about ships is really saying “we won’t steal your defenses for 25 years”. I’d be willing to extend that to 50 max.

They may choose to jockey for positions of power within an existing house in the meantime if they want power. Not much we can do to truly stop that.
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>>5889608
Now that I see more of what anons wrote, I’m willing to back either mine (>>5889692) or >>5889672. A combination of both is also acceptable to me, we have overlap and no contrary points.

Generous terms for an organization we fully intended to grind down to nothing.
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>>5889698
I think the general sentiment is largely the same between all of the options, just different flavors of "Shut the fuck up, feddies" to each in their severity. So I don't really have any problem with combining options or blurring things a bit either.
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>>5889700
Yeah, basically this.

There are some different points, but the general sentiment seems the same.
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>>5889672
>4. The Empire will commit to a campaign to exterminate the Vrakaks species, at an unspecified point in the future.
Our brother would have us scrub all the floors of Mars if that gets back to him.
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>>5889704
>tfw you make concessions and your brother (the guy who actually makes decisions) laughs and says no
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>>5889700
This is true except I just skipped the niceties
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>>5889714
To be fair, I too think the guy who sent those terms has a developmental disorder or something. Absolutely bonkers. They should probably hang that guy before he gets them all killed.
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>>5889713
Hopefully we would have the due diligence to not promose genicide under a xenophilic emperor.
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>>5889704
I would pay good money to watch Albin go ballistic at Angelica over something like that
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>>5889704
Yeah, but it’s 100% in line with what she would think

Xenos are evil and it’s an easy concession to make that may make surrender easier
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>>5889648
>Commence the invasion. The gall of the bureaucrats to send you a contract is grotesque! They must be brought to heel immediately!
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>>5889735
Speaking 100% of our mind without filter is Albin's job, Angelica should know better than to slight her brother by offering an anathema concession.
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>>5889648
>Commence the invasion. The gall of the bureaucrats to send you a contract is grotesque! They must be brought to heel immediately!
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>>5889655
>>5889660
>>5889668
>>5889672
>>5889675
>>5889679
>>5889683
>>5889685
>>5889692
>>5889698
>>5889736
>>5889764
Such “terms” are an insult to your dignity as a servant of the Empire! You must reject them outright! However, that they’re willing to negotiate at all is proof that there is at least some comprehension of their impending annexation or annihilation, no matter how slight. Solely in the interest of preserving the lives of imperial soldiers, you will present the Federation a counteroffer.

You begin to draft your demands.

>The Empire’s Terms:

>The Federation is dissolved and absorbed fully into the Empire.
>All prisoners will be released and the Empire will foot the bill for reconstruction efforts.
>All Federation leaders, officers, and soldiers will receive blanket amnesty for actions carried out during the war.
>The Empire will commit to a campaign to ext-
No, wait. Alby would have a hissy fit and likely burn something. Hmm…
>The Empire will commit to a campaign to neutralize the threat of the Vrakaks species, at an unspecified point in the future.
There, classic legalese, nice and vague enough to interpret in a dozen ways. Aliens, yuck. You would just as soon see them shot, piled into a ditch, and the grave burnt, but your brother has some odd fixation on them. There was that entire debacle with the squids and he's spent years studying those damnable weeds. Even had the audacity to try practicing their language with you! As much as you love your younger brother, he is strange and it may be for the best that he prefers to delegate…

But that's besides the point!

These terms are… well, they are terms.

Are they good enough to pitch to their parliament?

>Yes! You can skip the hard part of campaigning and get straight to divvying up the loot! If they’re sane, which is a gamble. What kind of lunatic insists on voting, of all things?
>No! You have a different set of terms in mind, these are too harsh, or too lenient, either too much or too little of something! (How do you want to restructure your terms?)
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>>5889796
>>Yes! You can skip the hard part of campaigning and get straight to divvying up the loot! If they’re sane, which is a gamble. What kind of lunatic insists on voting, of all things?

whatever happens is in their court now
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>>5889796
>>Yes! You can skip the hard part of campaigning and get straight to divvying up the loot! If they’re sane, which is a gamble. What kind of lunatic insists on voting, of all things?
There's definitely going to be dissidents. But alas. What can you do? Other than kill them all. I really hope they decline.
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>>5889796
>Yes! You can skip the hard part of campaigning and get straight to divvying up the loot! If they’re sane, which is a gamble. What kind of lunatic insists on voting, of all things?
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>>5889796
>Yes! You can skip the hard part of campaigning and get straight to divvying up the loot! If they’re sane, which is a gamble. What kind of lunatic insists on voting, of all things?

Well, good enough, I suppose. May as well get the formality over with.
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Rolled 5 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5889798
>>5889805
>>5889807
>>5889814
In all honesty, you’d rather kill them all outright. The idea of extending leniency to the same rabble-rousers who have the audacity to claim their popularity contests are in any way equal to noble discernment is abhorrent by your reckoning. At the same time, if Alby were here, he’d want this to be done peacefully and your father set a precedent with the Merchant Holdings…

So be it.

You'll demand their total surrender, with the caveat they may keep their lives and the Empire will do what it was already planning to, eventually. This is the most you can offer them.

The Federation of Uvarth receives your terms…

>The enemy’s roll:
>1d6+2 to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ideological Opponents], +1 [Deep Propaganda], +1 [Fear of Parliament], +1 [Sovereign Capital], +1 [Terms Rejected], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -1 [Recent Major Defeat]
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>>5889832
To your delight, their parliament returns a vote of 213 against, 39 for, and 8 abstaining! Their prime minister (Your subconscious will not dignify that filth with the capital letters befitting an aristocratic title) issues you a formal statement.

“The right of our people to self-determination is non-negotiable. By the legitimacy vested in me by publicly-appointed office, I solemnly swear that Uvarth will not go quietly into that dark night.”

They prime their weapons and prepare a last stand for their ideals!

You prepare to meet them!

>The Empire's Armada:

>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 4/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

Your armada is in excellent condition, more than prepared to strike the enemy. After the losses they’ve suffered on the ground, your subordinate admirals are eager to get into the fray.

>The Federation’s Defenses:

>Uvarth Orbital Laser (Jesse Morrison)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 40% chance to strike for 1d8 damage. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Lloyd Kelly)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]

In opposition are the last of the federals’ void assets. They’re in fine condition but so few in number, you are forced to assume this act of resistance is more symbolic than strategic. They truly are driven by their cause. Even here, in the face of imminent death, not one of their hundreds of vessels or satellites sues for clemency.

This is of no consequence.

Mere consensus cannot stay the strength of your cannons!

TO WAR!

How do you want to engage the enemy?
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>>5889849
I guess split it 4 on each. Top four for Laser bottom four for fleet.

As for the tactics of the four against the fleet, top down
>feint
>defend
>charge
>charge
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>>5889865
yeah this is good enough means the weak soluton fleet goes against the armada and not the ground defenses that are more likely to one shot them
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>>5889849
>>5889865
>supporting
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>>5889865

Support.

Once we successfully siege the planet, I honestly think we should pause, release our allies from service, and then call for a huge wave of ground reinforcements.
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>>5889849
Support >>5889865
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>>5889865
+1
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Rolled 6, 3, 6, 4, 6, 6, 4, 5 = 40 (8d6)

>>5889865
>>5889868
>>5889883
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>>5890081
You mobilize your fleet to engage their Orbital Lasers!

Seamus moves to engage their Orbital Lasers!

Harold moves to engage their Orbital Lasers!

Oskar II moves to engage their Orbital Lasers!

Robert makes a daring [Feint] on Lloyd's federal fleet!

Thomas prepares to [Defend] the armada from Lloyd's federal fleet!

Carsten is spurred by aristocratic wrath to [Charge] Lloyd's federal fleet!

Brett earns his pay and makes to [Charge] Lloyd's federal fleet!

The Orbital Lasers try to target Seamus's imperial fleet! This is the second time this has happened on campaign!

Lloyd humms the federal anthem and [Charges] Thomas's noble fleet!

The first round of battle commences!

>Roll 1d6+5 for Angelica's attack on the Orbital Lasers. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Seamus's attack on the Orbital Lasers. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Harold's attack on the Orbital Lasers. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Oskar II's attack on the Orbital Lasers. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage]

>Roll 1d6+5 for Robert's Feint against Lloyd. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+7 for Thomas's Defense against Lloyd. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Carsten's Charge against Lloyd. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]
>Roll 1d6+4 for Brett's Charge against Lloyd. +1 [Military Skill], +3 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6+4 for Lloyd to Charge against Robert. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Strategic Counter (Charge)]
>1d6+2 for Lloyd to Charge against Thomas. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
>1d6+2 for Lloyd to Charge against Carsten. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]
>1d6+2 for Lloyd to Charge against Brett. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Charge)]
>4d6+1 for Orbital Lasers to defend against Angelica, Seamus, Harold, and Oskar II. +1 [Military Skill]
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Rolled 40 (1d100)

>>5890136
>1d100 for Orbital Lasers to strike Seamus's imperial fleet
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>>5890138
Since it's roll under then this doesn't hit right? It's not under 40.
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Rolled 1 (1d8)

>>5890138
The Orbital Lasers just barely manage to strike Seamus's imperial fleet!
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>>5890140
>>5890142
At a 40% to chance to hit, it does hit, but it's not much of a hit.
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>>5890142
Well, it was worth trying. Good thing they rolled bad.
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>5890136
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Rolled 6 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5890136
Those rolls are actually scary
Angelica roll here
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Rolled 6 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5890136
Oh man, they finally put up a serious defense.

Seamus. Kill.
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Rolled 5 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5890136
It's H-H-H-H-Harold!
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Rolled 6 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5890136
Probably should've put more ships against Lloyd. Rolling for Harold.
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>>5890155
>>5890156
Or Oskar I guess.
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>>5890150
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>>5890156
I think we got the orbital lasers guys but I’m not sure
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>>5890150
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>>5890156
I wonder what the prime minister is thinking, moments after gave his declaration, their last stand gets swept like dust
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>>5890159
"Well, it seemed more heroic in the books"
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Rolled 6 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5890157
Harold, do not disappoint
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>>5890164
Shit, got it wrong, meant Robert not Harold. Guess robb got offended by getting called the wrong name and went ham
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>>5890163
>"Those bastards lied to me."
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Rolled 3 + 7 (1d6 + 7)

>>5890136
Thomas the Tank Ship
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Rolled 4 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5890136
Carsten
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Rolled 6 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>5890136
Brett the threat
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>>5890188
Seriously what the fuck is going on with these rolls. Space god doesn't like the federation
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>>5890191
>tfw you're trying to vote in space
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>>5890183
Their defenders fight with unexpected ferocity, but imperial steel is not so swift to bend!

You, Seamus, Harold, and Oskar II plunge into Uvarth's upper atmosphere to do the Empire proud! The Orbital Lasers are well-operated and manage to strike Seamus's fleet, but he remembers his training and screens his destroyers with a handful of corvettes! Against your massed gunnery, the Orbital Lasers are powerless and broken in mere minutes! Jesse Morrison's Orbital Lasers have lost all cohesion!

Jesse Morrison's Orbital Lasers have been destroyed!

>Angelica rolls 11, Seamus rolls 10, Harold rolls 9, Oskar II rolls 10, Orbital Laser rolls 7, 4, 7, 5
>Orbital Laser loses -17 cohesion

Robert, fledgling pride of House Heinrich, intercepts the federal scum with a false flanking maneuver! Lloyd sees through his deceit and suffers only minor losses!

>Robert rolls 11, Lloyd rolls 10
>Lloyd loses -1 cohesion

Thomas forms an impregnable bulwark of Soluton's finest! Lloyd's formation crashes into it like a meteor and is beaten back with lockstep contempt!

>Thomas rolls 10, Lloyd rolls 8
>Lloyd loses -2 cohesion

Carsten leads the minor houses to smite the egalitarian filth! Much like the muck, Lloyd is slippery and escapes the worst of it!

>Carsten rolls 8, Lloyd rolls 6
>Lloyd loses -2 cohesion

Brett pounces on the last of the federal navy and they thrash like a wounded animal! Lloyd sinks a dozen surplus frigates!

>Brett rolls 6, Lloyd rolls 7
>Brett loses -1 cohesion
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Rolled 2, 1, 3, 4, 4, 2, 2, 1 + 4 = 23 (8d6 + 4)

>>5890214
You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 4/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

Your armada has been scarred, but only just. Seamus took negligible damage from the Orbital Lasers and Brett's mercenaries were pounded.

>The Federation’s Defenses:
>Uvarth Orbital Laser (Jesse Morrison)
>Cohesion: -9/8. 40% chance to strike for 1d8 damage. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Lloyd Kelly)
>Cohesion: 3/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]

Against the odds, Lloyd's fleet remains coherent. It pains your heart to see such excellent voidsmanship squandered, and for what? Representation of the common man? Harold is an acting admiral, for old Earth's sake! This is pure lunacy.

Even so, it appears the federal admiral is determined to die for his country.

The Empire's advantage is so overwhelming you can dispense with the finer details.

It will all be over soon.

>Roll 1d6 to CHARGE and crush the last warships of the Federation, eight times! Every fleet receives a +7 [Numerical Advantage], among other bonuses. There is no hope (nor need to adjucate in finer detail, as this is mechanically a foregone conclusion) but the Federation is stubborn.

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>8d6+4 to Defend the dream of Uvarth! +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
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Rolled 5, 2, 3, 1, 5, 1, 4, 2 = 23 (8d6)

>>5890218
Can't we just save time instead?
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Rolled 6 + 9 (1d6 + 9)

>>5890218
Angelica.
It is +7 and also adding normal mods right?
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>>5890226
6. What the fuck kind of lucks stats does our houses have!
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Rolled 5 + 8 (1d6 + 8)

>>5890224
No, its better this way, more engaging and entertaining

Seamus' roll

>>5890226
You make the house proud, Angelica
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>>5890218
Considering our minimum roll is a 9 and their maximum is a 10 and they rolled no 6s to get the 10, they die and we take no casualties.
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>>5890224
We can if you'd prefer, but I think it's a bit more fun to roll. That and I won't be able to update in earnest for another hour, as I'm at work and my lunch is another fifty minutes off.
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Rolled 5 + 8 (1d6 + 8)

>>5890234
That's a better reason.

>>5890218
Harold.
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Rolled 1 + 10 (1d6 + 10)

>>5890218
Lets go Robert

After this war we have to make sure to give Angelica, Otto and Robert some shiny medals at the eventual victory ceremony to cement the fact Heinrichs are just better than the rest
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Rolled 3 + 9 (1d6 + 9)

>>5890218
Thompy

>>5890237
Not at that rate we won't
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>>5890239
Even with a 1 the Feds are incapable of laying a scratch on Robert
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>>5890237
Robert is tired. He is taking a nap.
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Since we knocked the last fed asset out of space with ease right in front of the capital plane itself, should we try to instigate a planetwide revolt against Parliament next? Broadcast something along the lines of "Your government would throw all your lives away rather than step down from power. You're being sacrificed to protect your despots who wouldn't relinquish their control of your lives. Bring us your leaders in chains and you, your family and your home will be spared the horrors of war" to the everyday citizen and see what they do.

I understand this could be a little bit of a pipedream with their deeply rooted propaganda and hatred of the Empire, but the Parliament didn't vote unilaterally to reject our terms (roughly 20% of MP's rebelled and voted for acceptance or abstained) so there's likely to be at least a sizeable minority of people that could potentially act on this to save themselves. If we managed to instigate a rebellion we'd have an easier time taking the planet, and we'd earn some trust with those who rebel and make re-integration go more smoothly. Worst case scenario it does nothing and we just glass the planet from Orbit and leave Uvarth a smoldering ruin and symbol of what happens to those who defy the Eternal Empire.
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>>5890283
I can support that but obviously, we will continue to prepare the invasion
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>>5890283
Or, we could use that line of thinking to declare that any of the sub-planetary administrative entity from cities to regions that unilaterally surrenders will be spared bombardment and invasion and granted clemency afterwards. We don't necessarily need to get the populace or the whole planet onside in that case while going behind the backs of the planetary government.
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>>5890283
We're still missing two rolls so unless QM wraps it up, would you provide your own roll anon?

As for your suggestion, I'll add on that we could use the mercy that Otto granted to the Core as an example of our magnanimity.
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Rolled 4 + 8 (1d6 + 8)

>>5890309
Oh we weren't done with rolling even though it's just, again, a formality agains these godless space heathens. I'll drop a die then,

>>5890218
Carsten, ahoy.
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Rolled 4 + 8 (1d6 + 8)

>>5890218

Haven't rolled yet, doing minor nobles
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>>5890312
>>5890313

Ahhh well, I guess my roll can be used for the mercs
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>>5890218
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>>5890313
The full might of the Empire descends on the federation! Except for Robbert, as he suffered a cramp in his hand and was half a minute late to the fireworks. The federal resistance is feeble, by now. Any one of your fleets could've broken them alone. Together, they reduce the foe to dust and the dust to constituent particles in a fanfare of shock and awe. Lloyd Kelly's fleet has lost all cohesion!

Lloyd Kelly's flagship, the 'Beautiful Dawn' has been destroyed!

>Angelica rolls 15, Seamus rolls 13, Harold rolls 13, Oskar II rolls 13, Robert rolls 11, Thomas rolls 12, Carsten rolls 12, Brett rolls 12, Lloyd rolls 6, 5, 7, 8, 8, 6, 6, 5
>Lloyd loses -47 cohesion!
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>>5890353
You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 10/10. Rolls 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 4/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Minor Noble Fleet (Carsten Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Brett Jensen)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

The armada is, of course, intact. The federation, on the other hand...

>The Federation’s Defenses:
>Uvarth Orbital Laser (Jesse Morrison)
>Cohesion: -9/8. 40% chance to strike for 1d8 damage. +1 [Military Skill]
>Federal Fleet (Lloyd Kelly)
>Cohesion: -47/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]

Your sensors genuinely cannot detect anything in that region of space. The fleet's destruction was absolute. In the coming generations, "Lloyd" will be used as a slang term for someone beyond all hope.

The 3rd battle for the Federation of Uvarth has been won!

A superb victory, no less!
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>>5890354
Now, you can commence the pacification of Uvarth! Even if its void assets have been eradicated, it's still the fortified center of a centuries-old seditious offshoot. You'll need to plan carefully to avoid undue losses.

How should you approach this?

>Glass the planet! The value of reducing the very symbol of democracy to molten slag outweighs any plunder!
>Commence an invasion! There are numerous federals down there and your own ground forces have been chewed up, but you're confident in their prowess.
>Dig in for a siege! The world's foodstores and infrastructure will break long before your armada runs out of energy.
>Send for reinforcements! The armada needs more infantry and is willing to wait for it, even if orbital pressure is lessened by the transportation.
>Subvert the population! Bid the masses to rise up for their rightful masters! In, uh, less forthright language, of course.
>Try a mixed approach! You have a few different ideas and see no reason not to combine them into a single strategy.
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>>5890355
>Dig in for a siege! The world's foodstores and infrastructure will break long before your armada runs out of energy.
>Send for reinforcements! The armada needs more infantry and is willing to wait for it, even if orbital pressure is lessened by the transportation.
>Subvert the population! Bid the masses to rise up for their rightful masters! In, uh, less forthright language, of course.
This mix, greatest increase in success chance while still keeping the planet.
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>>5890355
>Dig in for a siege! The world's foodstores and infrastructure will break long before your armada runs out of energy.
>Send for reinforcements! The armada needs more infantry and is willing to wait for it, even if orbital pressure is lessened by the transportation.
>Subvert the population! Bid the masses to rise up for their rightful masters! In, uh, less forthright language, of course.
I don't want to go for a full glassing, but once reinforcements get here and we're ready to invade we'll really be giving the orbital cannons a workout, much more than on the coreworlds. I've also been reminded of a tactic in Stellaris I liked to use of employing orbital bombardment to deliberately slash the population of enemy planets to make them more manageable after annexing them.
I want to restate my proposal from a few posts ago about going behind the back of the collective Parliament to offer surrender to individual MPs and other sub-planetary administrations in exchange for not being bombarded and invaded.
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>>5890367
About your suggestion and the subversion.

>>5890306
>>5890309
Don't forget the additions from anon and I.
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>>5890369
We can definitely use Otto as demonstration of our sincerity.
The other quoted post is my own post.
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>>5890374
Oh yeah my bad, brainfart on my part.
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>>5890355

>Subvert the population! Bid the masses to rise up for their rightful masters! In, uh, less forthright language, of course.

Now if that works.

>Dig in for a siege! The world's foodstores and infrastructure will break long before your armada runs out of energy.

If we don't get any results by trying subversion.

>Glass the planet! The value of reducing the very symbol of democracy to molten slag outweighs any plunder!
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>>5890363
>>5890367
Support, we kinda can’t invade without replenishing our guys so the siege and wait makes sense. As for subverting them I like the individual surrender idea and we can use our fair treatment of the core worlds + Otto as a boost to that.

Otto is gonna be pretty popular once the war is over huh?
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>>5890355
>Dig in for a siege! The world's foodstores and infrastructure will break long before your armada runs out of energy.
>Send for reinforcements! The armada needs more infantry and is willing to wait for it, even if orbital pressure is lessened by the transportation.
>Subvert the population! Bid the masses to rise up for their rightful masters! In, uh, less forthright language, of course.
>Try a mixed approach! You have a few different ideas and see no reason not to combine them into a single strategy.
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>>5890355
>Dig in for a siege! The world's foodstores and infrastructure will break long before your armada runs out of energy.

Everytime i see that fear of the parliament modifier i ask myself that if they rule by fear then there is hope that the populance can be turned against them.
Though probably not before we break the hold they have on the planet.
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>>5890355
>Commence an invasion! There are numerous federals down there and your own ground forces have been chewed up, but you're confident in their prowess.
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>>5890363
>>5890367
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>>5890437
You have undisputed orbital supremacy. There could be a trillion fighting men down there, and they wouldn't be able to reach you. The armada can take its leisure and recover from losses in the core. You send messengers back to the Empire proper to bring news of victory and request reinforcements.

At the same time, you lay siege on Uvarth. It is a rather simple process. As you can't truly encircle a planet or prevent small-circle agriculture, you do the next best thing. Cut them off from imports and raze their crop fields from the atmosphere. Starvation isn't likely. Not with hydroponics and underground greenhouses, but hunger is a certainty. Deep down, the masses crave food and stability, not the vacuous promise of freedom.

You'll appeal to the masses as well. Just as they held the illusion of power under their previous system, they hold the power to overthrow it. They can't block your broadcasts and so, they will continue. Those regions which surrender and cooperate are promised leniency, and those brave enough to rebel against the illegitimate rebellion they were born into will be spared. In particular, you point to Otto as an example of what they can expect, both if they resist and surrender. This isn't likely to succeed on its own, but there's a chance and it costs you nothing.

All that you can do at this juncture is wait.

>Roll 1d6+2 for reinforcements. +1 [Astronomicon Academy], +1 [No Distractions in Empire]
>Roll 1d6+1 for rebellion. +2 [Overwhelming Force], +1 [Merciful Reputation], -1 [Ideological Opponents], -1 [Deep Propaganda]
>Roll 1d4+1 to break the enemy's resolve.

>During an orbital siege, the besieged region has a pool of resolve depending on its prosperity and fortifications, which is depleted each turn depending on the circumstances. As Uvarth is the thriving core of a civilization, it has 20/20 resolve, but your orbital supremacy allows you to reduce it by 1d4+1 per turn, +1 [Military Skill]. This will accelerate into 1d8, or a possible 1 per fleet, once your fleets aren't focused on gathering reinforcements.
>In the event that one of the Empire's frontier regions is invaded, it needs time to muster a response. As an example, a flotilla of pirate fleets could rapidly defeat a typical 6/6 underdeveloped frontier region's system defenses and siege it into surrendering its goods. If you're unlucky, there's a chance hostiles could damage the Empire and escape without conflict. The opposite is also true, and raiding can be an effective source of revenue.
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5890441
Reinforcements
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890441
Rebellion.
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d4 + 1)

>>5890441
Psyops
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>>5890444
I guess the new recruits aren't adequately trained yet, and maybe Alphonse's generation aged out in a classic case of ill timing?
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>>5890450
Or they think Otto can capture the planet himself and are too busy creating Otto Heinrich, HERO OF THE ETERNAL EMPIRE, merch to do anything else
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>>5890450
Still a 3 so good but not ideal. The others are nice to see, however.
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>>5890444
>>5890445
Well, looks like we won't need those reinforcements after all if the Rebellion rolled a 6 out of 7. We should land troops immediately to mop up the remaining Federation loyalists.
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>>5890444
>>5890445
>>5890448
Months later, you receive word that Emperor Albin is ecstatic to hear the news of your conquest but cannot spare any troops to send. After the Empire's leading team lost a massive Jumpcrawl tournament with the Osgus by 7-1, the army has been too busy suppressing sport riots in the frontier to go anywhere. He insists that this is a great sign for the future of Human-Osgus relations.

You are stunned by the idiocy the masses are capable of. Then again, your brother invented the sport... Hmm. This has given you more whiplash than this entire campaign on the Federation. Oh, you need a drink. Fortunately, Alby was considerate enough to send the admirals a box of vintages to celebrate the victory. Sadly, it must stay closed for now.

Uvarth's population has buckled under the pressure and teeming millions have risen in revolt! You doubt they can defeat the Federation alone, but they will certainly ease the process.

>Uvarth: 15/20 resolve remaining

What should you do?

>Let the rebellion do its damnedest. You aren't about to risk loyal imperial lives for traitors trying to save their own skins. (Rebellion inflicts 3d6 damage to Uvarth's resolve)
>Commence the invasion! Your forces are few but alongside the rebels, would be substantial. (Ground campaign against 20, with significant rebel assistance)
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>>5890482
>>Let the rebellion do its damnedest. You aren't about to risk loyal imperial lives for traitors trying to save their own skins. (Rebellion inflicts 3d6 damage to Uvarth's resolve)

We'll give them a statue atop the foundations of the Uvarth's parliament building, after we tear it down
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>>5890482
>Commence the invasion! Your forces are few but alongside the rebels, would be substantial. (Ground campaign against 20, with significant rebel assistance)
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>>5890482
>the army has been too busy suppressing sport riots in the frontier to go anywhere.
>mfw
Fucking commoners.
>Let the rebellion do its damnedest. You aren't about to risk loyal imperial lives for traitors trying to save their own skins. (Rebellion inflicts 3d6 damage to Uvarth's resolve)
Given the rebels are probably shitter tier, I'd rather not get Otto killed cutting down ten billion men by himself before he finally gets tired enough for them to drop a skyscraper on him to put him down.
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>>5890482
>Commence the invasion! Your forces are few but alongside the rebels, would be substantial. (Ground campaign against 20, with significant rebel assistance)
Aid these brave heroes that are fighting to liberate themselves from Democracy. Anything less would be a bitch move for little bitches.
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>>5890482
>Commence the invasion! Your forces are few but alongside the rebels, would be substantial. (Ground campaign against 20, with significant rebel assistance)
This is our chance, what with our lack of reinforcements. And if the rebellion has success with our backing and we follow through on our promises, it has the potential to snowball as we go. Cannon fodder they might be, there's still a lot of them running distraction and occupation and doubtless military units mixed in as well.
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>>5890482
A 3 gets us zero reinforcements? Also can't we link up with the rebels and get them in on the siege? If not,
>Commence the invasion! Your forces are few but alongside the rebels, would be substantial. (Ground campaign against 20, with significant rebel assistance)
This will make for a much better story for the justification of the transition of power and reduce unrest. I think it's better in the long run.
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>>5890495
>>5890499
As the Reinforcement roll was for the Empire itself, the 1 was a crit fail, just as a 6 would've been a crit success. The rebels are already participating in the siege and if assisted, consists of three civilian militia with one trained unit equal to a fresh imperial army. Gaining further rebel reinforcements is possible but they'd need to roll very well.
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>>5890499
Rolling a 1 seems to count as a complete failure regardless of any modifiers on it
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>>5890482
>Commence the invasion! Your forces are few but alongside the rebels, would be substantial. (Ground campaign against 20, with significant rebel assistance)

Eh, if they show faith, I'll show faith in return. They can earn their nobility, and dignity back with blood. Pragmatism is for the weak.
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>>5890491
I think they'll just lack the +1 military skill bonus.
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>>5890482
>>Commence the invasion! Your forces are few but alongside the rebels, would be substantial. (Ground campaign against 20, with significant rebel assistance)
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Rolled 5, 4, 3 = 12 (3d6)

>>5890535
That's many dice. I'll roll out for the three rebel militials and let the others get rolled individually.
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>>5890486
>>5890490
>>5890491
>>5890494
>>5890495
>>5890499
>>5890510
>>5890517
House Heinrich thirsts for glory and you shan't deny it succour! You send down the troops! You briefly consider keeping Otto onboard 'Anna's Hand', but he's gained too much influence among the rank-and-file to safely hold him back. The last thing this campaign needs is a coup by the heir.

That Yannick Junger has also risen to prominence. This campaign will have made the fortunes of more than a few of old Earth's sons. Accolades aside, you simply want to end the Federation as swiftly as possible.

The bitter ground war commences. Even though the war is as good as lost for them, many of the federation intend to fight to their last. Your men will oblige them.

>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+1 for rebel federal forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+0 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill], -1 [Heavy Casualties]
>Roll 1d6+5 House Heinrich’s forces. +1 [Imperial Heir’s Presence], +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [Famous General], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 Minor Noble forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+0 mercenary forces. +1 [Military Skill], -1 [Heavy Casualties]

The total must be 20 or higher to succeed.
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Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>5890535
GO REBEL SCUM NO 1!
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890535
Our boy has +5 Jesus.
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Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>5890541
3rd rebel militia
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>>5890540
>>5890542
>>5890544
Noticed a typo in the update two seconds after posting it, my mistake.
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>>5890546
The rebel militias have rolled 5,5,4 yeah?
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>>5890550
Yes, they've performed much better than expected.
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890541
Rebel feds
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>>5890558
More like 1st imperial army. Rebel regulars were rolled here >>5890544.
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5890541
Rebel Scum #2, since that got skipped
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Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>5890541
>Mercs
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Rolled 3 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5890541
The rolls are now very scattered and I am confused kek

Heinrich, I guess?
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(for the next rollers, 2nd Imperial and Minor Nobles still need rolls in case of confusion)
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>>5890567
Again, more like 2nd imperial army since the rebels are already all accounted for.

>>5890572
No just minor nobles.
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>>5890574
This person >>5890544 rolled with a +1, which would have been a roll for one of the regular units, not the militia. And we still need two more rolls since we have nine units to roll for and have seven roll thus far.
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>>5890576
Its for the rebel regulars and no, we have eight. All the ones linked to the deleted post still count.
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Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>5890541

Rolling for 2nd imperial if we still need it?
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>>5890582
Minor nobles my guy, ya need a +1. Pretty please don't roll a 1 again though.
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890541
Minor nobles, in case a roll is still needed.
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890541
minor nobles
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>>5888015
I realized I forgot to mention this earlier, but thank you. That was very convenient while I was updating.

>>5890540
I appreciate you helping to save on time. There's a lot of rolls but there's a lot of rollers as well. I figure for a thread with as many anons as this, it's probably best to roll once so that as many people as possible can roll.

>>5890570
I'm also a little confused, hahaha. No problem, I'll sort them out on my end. If someone says what they're rolling for it will take precedence, otherwise it goes to the first on the list, downward, or whichever its modifiers matches. In any case, it appears Otto is horrifyingly competent on the ground. He already had a genetic predisposition for it but throughout the campaign he's gained a reputation.
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>>5890589
>>5890590
Bro literally the same second... never seen that before.
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>>5890579
There was seven (now eight), count 'em if you don't trust my maths. What a fuckin mess.
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>>5890596
You missed >>5890540, it counts. >>5890555 QM said so.
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>>5890600
I took the first roll from it, as I tend to unless there's very few rolls afterward. There hasn't been any shortage of anons rolling, which I'm grateful for. This quest has been surprisingly lively. I figured it'd only have around 2-3 regulars when I started but it's consistently sat at at least a dozen, if not more. There's even multiple samefags pulling the archived thread back and forth via votes that have been for almost a week now.
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>>5890595
The dynasty is so beloved by the minor nobles they've subconsciously formed a telepathic link.

>>5890596
I use the snipping tool even more than I do MS paint
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>>5890610
/qst/ loves a well done and engaging civquest and they consistently get large player bases. Congrats, you Made It.
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>>5890596
I was rolling for the rebel federal forces since the one with the +1 before me didn’t specify but I will also use it for what >>5890563
Said.
>>5890610
Congrats, you made it
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>>5890541
In case QM need help. Going down the list of forces and their associated posts/rolls.

>>5890540
>>5890542
>>5890545
>>5890544
>>5890558
>>5890567
>>5890570
>>5890589
>>5890568
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>>5890610
decisions feel like they matter in this quest as do the dice
so you have people who are invested in each vote and people who are invested in each roll as bad choices and bad rolls can kill PC's and because it's a dynasty quest you don't have to pull your punchs you can kill the MC off when you fell like

also the writing and setting is good and unique enough that it dosen't feel half arsed
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>>5890595
I've seen it twice before. Can't remember the specific threads though, I just remember that I have.
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>>5890596
Yeah, was rolling for the rebel army. Since that would have been the right order.
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>>5890540
>>5890542
>>5890544
>>5890545
>>5890558
>>5890567
>>5890568
>>5890570
>>5890582
>>5890589
The opening stage of the campaign is a mutual bloodbath.

The rebel militia swiftly prove their determination and occupy several major cities, despite determined artillery suppression! The rebel federals take the liberty of organizing the rabble on the strategic layer, which is well-appreciated by the Empire.

The imperial forces under Yannick Junger prove that noble and commoners united under the imperial banner, drilled by the Astronomicon Academy, can cooperate well enough to match any house retinue. The soldiers are singing his praises as the Federation is dealt a telling blow.

Unfortunately, the federals catch the remainder of your imperial forces in a pincer manuever and crush them with a desperate push of their armour. The few survivors can no longer fight as a cohesive unit.

House Heinrich bathes in the blood of its foes as Otto marches them straight for the capital. There, they are heavily outnumbered and flanked on all sides but consistently keep making mincemeat of their foes. Somehow, the young general himself has avoided injury despite going where the fighting is at its fiercest. Rumour has it that he's begun to garner something of a mythical aura among the men.

The minor nobility joins House Heinrich and aids the push, stacking some two of the enemy for every one of theirs.

The mercenaries attempt to entrench themselves near the frontline but are bogged down and massacred by repeated waves of federals. If not for a lack of imperial support, they may have lived. As is, the few thousands of surviving hired guns, some shattered ten percent of their former number, are lucky to be evacuated at all.

The bitter ground war continues. The Empire's forces, both professional and desperate, have savaged the enemy to a vicious degree. There have been a number of losses but you're nevertheless confident they'll pull through.

>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+1 for rebel federal forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+2 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Famous General]
>Roll 1d6+5 House Heinrich’s forces. +1 [Imperial Heir’s Presence], +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [Famous General], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 Minor Noble forces. +1 [Military Skill]

The total must be 17 or higher to succeed.
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890658
minor nobles
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Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>5890658
Thought we would get another army since the rebels did so well. Rolling for militia.
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>5890658
Break these schmucks, rebel Militia 1!
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Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>5890658
Rebel Scum #3

>>5890659
anon plz
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>>5890660
If the rebels rolled a crit, you would have as they'd inspire those who hadn't jumped in yet. As is, they were competent but not enough to shake those sitting on the fence.
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>>5890666
Given that's what they've just done in >>5890661, do we get a unit next turn?
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890658
Reb feds
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>>5890668
Exactamundo.
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Rolled 5 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5890658
Otto me boy
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Rolled 6 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5890658
Imp forces
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>>5890690
Seems the Otto bathwater rations have worked wonders on morale
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>>5890616
>>5890627
It's kind of surreal to see it happen. I'm glad you're all enjoying this quest. I've had a lot of fun running it, so far, and I don't see any reason that won't continue.

>>5890629
Thank you for this.

>>5890630
I've tried to make everything you do have some weight to it, while things progress in and out of the Empire without your input. A decent amount of what you've done is reactive, rather than proactive, which I think is interesting. I have a fairly sizeable table for determining the results of the Empire's circumstantial rolls, both positive and negative. That's what caused the war between the Vrakaks and Federation, which I rolled for behind the scenes. If your spies had infiltrated them, I would've posted a pastebin. As is, it was miraculous that they managed to pull a win. The Vrakaks are garbage on a 1:1 basis but their numbers compound on themselves to dangerous effect. I'll be doing that write-up on the Federation fleets just before the ambush began soon. It should be illuminating on the ayys and the feddies, themselves.

My general QMing style is that I don't have a plan for the thread, so much as I do a list of the various factions, their interests, and the resources they have at their disposal to pursue them. Everything else comes somewhat organically.

>>5890684
>>5890690
House Vonduul likely would've tried to have these men executed for displaying so much competence and posing a possible danger to the throne. Tried.
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>>5890695
>That Vonduul lore

lmao, then they deserved what they got. Talk about digging your own grave.
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>>5890684
>All that propaganda shit with the Imperial Heir? It's bullshit. Doctored to all hell. You know it.
>Bro this is a LIVE FEED
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>>5890706
>b..but he just cut a nuclear blast in half with a fucking cavalry saber!
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>>5890692
#1 item requested in the armoury
>>5890695
I know for a fact some infantry grunts have created a bootleg body pillow of him somewhere in their barracks considering this level of sheer carnage he is producing.
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>>5890706
>Alphonse the Admiral lays the foundation for the Imperial Shipyards that will let the Imperial Family host it's own warfleets without relying on the large noble families to muster ships
>also founds a military academy to produce crews of exceptional competence to man said ships
>Otto is an insane warrior king that literally couldn't lose a fight even if he tried too
>will most likely spend his reign reforming the Imperial Army and whipping it into a shape never seen before in Imperial history
And this is how the Empire became the Galaxy's greatest military force of all time.
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>>5890695
You build the framework, the story writes itself. Space is your canvas and the greater cosmos your muse. Or so the warrior poet Yannick might say.

Also
>tried
lmao get fucked incompetent decadent dynasty.

>>5890708
>casually suplex the metal gear

>>5890718
Honestly, the martial bent of this family is genuinely horrifying. Holy shit levels of killy. Thank goodness they're also competent at statecraft. And we get some quirky ones who are good like our current Emperor long may he reign.
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Rolled 2 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890658
Minor nobles, if it hasn’t been rolled yet.
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>>5890721
Never mind, just saw >>5890659
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>>5890718
Just wait until albin contacts the insectoids to join up and make the fleets invincible.
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>>5890720
Otto's assaults on federation forces looks like tool assisted DmC gameplay
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>>5890659
>>5890660
>>5890661
>>5890663
>>5890670
>>5890684
>>5890690
The second stage of the campaign is a ruthless massacre... for the foe.

Despite their lack of martial conditioning and proper equipment, the rebel militia reliably make for a tenacious and effective force. Rather than suffer the attrition most forces do on the march, their numbers grow as they beat back the Federation and rally hordes of anti-democratic dissidents to their cause! Under the command of rebel federal troops, they manage to occupy a majority of Uvarth's rural territories!

The imperial forces that remain have been hardened to an impressive degree of veterancy. Their general, Yannick Junger, has after a lifetime of mediocrity, finally found his legs and leads them with a tempo of mass-violence that's nothing short of artistic. As one, they methodically slaughter and seize a continent on their lonesome!

Otto continues his campaign, inflicting casualty totals best described as butchery. Every battle he's at, every regiment, every front, is either a bloody victory for the Empire, or a marginal loss so pyrrhic for the enemy they would've done better for their side to flee and cede ground. Every step of the way, the troops of the minor houses sacrifice themselves against hellish odds so that the imperial heir, grandson of the legendary Alphonse, their beloved future Emperor, may keep up the march. At the current pace, the Federation is doomed.

All the same, the peoples of the Federation have stood for centuries, arm-in-arm against a tyrannical galaxy. They will not yield so easily.

The bitter ground war continues. Now, the final push begins!

>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+0 for rebel militia forces. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Roll 1d6+1 for rebel federal forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+2 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Famous General]
>Roll 1d6+5 House Heinrich’s forces. +1 [Imperial Heir’s Presence], +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [Famous General], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 Minor Noble forces. +1 [Military Skill]

The total must be 15 or higher to succeed.
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>>5890695
Internal affairs haven't really come up much so far in the quest, everything seems to largely run itself behind the scenes. A lot of Alphonse and Anna's reigns seemed like firefighting with less opportunity to spread our wings. Albin has been a bit more proactive, but to be truly proactive requires someone to have the idea in the first place (I for one didn't think about trying to seed spies into the Federation) and I guess not everybody realised that there are gears turning in the background (me included) that we can interact with.
Now it's come up however, I'll start spinning some more plans for when we cut back to Albin after the war's over. I have a couple of things the back burner I've mentioned before that I'd like to see put into action. Things like:
>Bombing the Vonduul back into the Stone Age. Not extermination, but to make sure they stay down and ensure they won't pose a threat to us for a long, long time
>Stitch together the star charts and kickstart intensive exploration beyond our borders. We have to know what's out there, start reclaiming lost colonies and categorise any threats.
>Begin scheduling regular wargames for the Imperial Navy and Guard to keep everyone sharp for the next war
>Continue efforts with the Osgus by encouraging mutual investments on each others' worlds and possibly even exchanging some (uninhabited) worlds
>Establish an Imperial Research Fund, offering an extensive system of grants and facilities for bleeding-edge research and entire new fields of study to try and break the Empire out of its technological torpor
>Put together a technocratic privy council to keep us abreast of the status of and advise us on matters in their fields like expert ministers. Igor is great, but he's only one man at the end of the day. Even if he is immortal.
>Reach out to the Zuur. I think they'd be amenable to the sort of deal we've got with the Osgus.
>Found some Imperial sports leagues, giving the masses something to unify around and remind them of the Empire beyond the end of their noses

>>5890720
I think we've really done dead Dad proud
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Rolled 4 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5890744
Otto continue your grand work!
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890744
Minors
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5890744
Rebel Militia 1, go!
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Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>5890744
Militia!
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5890744
Rebel Scum #3 ,up and at em!
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Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>5890744
millta 4
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Rolled 6 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5890744
YANNICK
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>>5890759
>>5890747 already rolled for them
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5890744
Feddies, show your determination

>>5890746
anon's idea last thread of introducing actual food through alternative means to the plantoids might be a good idea.
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>>5890764
Maybe I should start keeping a dossier of write-in ideas to make sure they don't get forgotten
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>>5890746
I don't think we really need to be aggressive to any xenos species right now as they have not really done us any harm, the planets are just ignoring us which is fine but after this war I don't think anyone is gonna have the balls to try it. As for exploration I say we do a bit of internal searching before external as we don't wanna overstretch ourselves with the 40 new planets. As for your research fund, fully agree. Open a new academy with war spoils to help with that and I still wanna marry Otto to a De Croize just for their tech help.
>>5890747
>>5890750
>>5890751
>>5890753
>>5890754
>>5890756
>>5890761
the fact all these rolls came within minutes of each other is a true testament
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>>5890766
Looking at the archive it seems he was talking about breaking down the meat through cooking then using tons of aromatics to give it flavor. Which thinking about it, the plants communicate with pheromones so they have to have some amount of scent receptors. So he might be onto something. Which reminds me, pineapple has that enzyme which makes proteins and stuff break apart right? Pineapple immersion soak steak with lots of smelly stuff might work? Maybe some really pungent cheeses? To stick to a more carnivorous bent for the planty folk.

>>5890771
Really, it does seem like as of this moment our biggest beef is with our fellow man. I'm sure that'll change in the future but Albin is doing pretty good at making no enemies out of the weird and wacky creatures of the universe.
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>>5890771
The Vrakaks have done us harm, they're a persistent nuisance to the Empire and regularly raid the borderlands like the Reaver Clans. They're basically a swarm of xeno space pirates and to allow them to recover would be to invite to continue raiding us in the future - if they'd won against the Federation, we'd likely have been attacked next. As for exploration, we don't have to actually take control of any territory, just chart it and say hi to anyone we find to get our galactic bearings. Any lost colonies have been fine just by themselves for centuries or millennia, they can wait a while longer.
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>>5890776
all the strange strange creatures, Albin shall catalogue them all soon, he is a few steps off of becoming Tranzyn
>>5890778
I am sure after we obliterate the Federation they will think twice, also they were weakened be their war with the Feds and will take awhile to rebuild so we could just kick the shit out of them soon in a border war.
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>>5890791
>vrakak fleets decimated in brutal feddie combat
>imperial fleets sweep in and losing wash that entire sector of space in their colors
>imperial gaze falls upon the rodents
>"H-hey guys, how are ya? We just didn't like some of the things they said to us. We won't step on your toes, promise! Here we're moving our fleets closer to home to prove it."
The big dick energy we'll be able to swing around after sound a high-profile victory as this is pretty incredible. I wonder who'll be impressed, and who afraid?

I wonder if there are any cyborgs out there doing tech things to their meaty bodies? Not quite Necrons, but borg enough!
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>>5890791
Ah, that gives me another idea.
>Improve the border defense fleets. Provide them with more modern equipment, better personnel and station a handful of small rapid-response forces to handle any incursions.
We know they're equipped with junk, investing in this forgotten arm of the Empire's heroes would be worth it for the everyday security payoff.
And god, the Empire's going to be so high on victory at all levels when the fleets come home. We should declare our son Warmaster. When has that ever gone wrong before?
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>>5890801
The race you are thinking of is Cybermen, the original Borg and Necrons, and I fucking hope not!
>>5890802
We could just invest in orbital defences, this campaign alone proves they can do quite a bit of damage as they are the only things that managed to damage our fleet.
And +1 in declaring our son Warmaster, though I think Angelica deserves a big title too.
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>>5890814
Call otto the approaching storm
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>>5890802
Maybe simply renaming the border defense force and updating their equipment would be enough to make people volunteer more for it. Something like "Void Watchers"? I'm not good at names. Just something to make it sound more exotic or exciting than
>we sit on the "fence" all day and shoot asteroids that fly too close to expensive stuff
The amount of recruits signing up with the FERVOR from this war is probably going to be very high.

>>5890814
>though I think Angelica deserves a big title too.
Supreme Admiral, perhaps?
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>>5890814
Institute the two titles of War Master and Fleet Master for the Supreme Commander of the Army and Navy respectively, only to be bestowed on men and women who perform exceptional deeds.
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>>5890819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgbVNFMw74
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>>5890746
Vrakaks you mean? Vonduul was the previous imperial house. Vrakaks are the vermin with huge populations.

I think to complete Albin's legacy we should at least go further with the Osgus and form cultural and trade links with the Mukvir.

I also think we ought to invest in Zephyr Corp and tie House Lochstrum to us, it'd be a waste of Freyja's genius and a Major House in the making to let this opportunity slip through our fingers. Freyja won't live forever, and neither will our alliance. We'll piss everyone off a little, but these things on are a sliding scale, our allies will likely remain allies or be easily placated and Ustong is already mad at us. With the ERC around to keep the corps on their toes, the stability and happiness afforded to the commoners, and the death of the Arthen patriarch around the corner, I think we'll be fine. We've done things that pissed every house off before, as long as we balance it out with broadly approved things and a marriage alliance, plus a couple of 'improve noble house relations' actions per emperor, things should work out.

Speaking of Arthen, I also think when it is Otto's turn to rule that we should solidify relations with House Arthen. Albin built a friendship with his generation of Arthen scions, the next should be downright friendly with Otto, particularly as he spent his adolescence living and training with them. Then we'll finally have the big martial house on our side for the campaigns to come.
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>>5890838
That age old wisdom "you can piss them off so long as you make them richer". As long as we can facilitate the growth and enrichment of the nobles and people, they'll let a ton more stuff slide than people expect. As long as you don't make personal enemies out of them, of course.
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>>5890819
He probably has a dozen monikers by friend or foe, we will print them all on shirts then sell them.
>>5890820
Border watch is a fine enough name we just gotta update their equipment and give them advertisement funds
>>5890826
I’m pretty sure Angelica already has the highest title for naval command and I’m sure that someone has it for ground command too. War Master and Fleet Admiral would be good as ceremonial titles to either distinguish them or to be added atop the previous mentioned titles. Both will be given to Otto and Angelica.
>>5890838
Considering all Albin has done I assume he would finally have enough prestige to force every planet in the Empire to have a mandated wildlife reserve. He already has the Environmentalist SS set up.
As for Lochstrum, me and another anon talked about it many posts ago and the general idea is to make them and a bunch of other smaller houses loyal to us into majors with the spoils from the Feds since many of them are already verging on that point. Ustong is pissed off because of Zephyr corp but Freyja can usurp them so who gives a shit. As for Arthen, we already have a daughter married to one of them and we are close friends with many of the soon to be top brass plus Otto was their ward so I think we are good on that front.
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>>5890814
We did take some damage from the later fleet fights, the reason we didn't take more is because we were in overwhelming force in every engagement and absolutely mogged the Feddie fleets instead of a slugfest while the batteries went first in the round with a flat to-hit chance - you saw what an equal fleet fight looked like in the Merchant War. Orbital batteries are just as expensive and can't protect any offworld assets, chase down smugglers and pirates, rescue spacers in distress, provide spaceborne incident response and keep battles away from planets either.
God dammit, now I can't get the mental scene of a spaceship with a flashing blue light on the top going wee-woo-wee-woo while a old-timey bobby leans out the window waving and blowing his whistle to try and get a shifty spaceship to pull over.

>>5890820
I imagine they're seen in the same way as the coasties are in America, for the people and ships who weren't good enough for the proper Navy. Some modern equipment, upping some standards and possibly having them work alongside the Imperial Navy (not on campaign though) would help dispel that.

>>5890826
I like these as ceremonial titles. Otto's the real star of the show here but Angelica has also thoroughly proven herself. Doubtless she also has a huge following amongst women of all strata as the second highest-ranking woman in the Empire, and one who's earned her fame.

>>5890838
Yes, I do mean the Vrakaks. V this, V that, though I suppose we can say we did bomb Vonduul quite thoroughly.
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I'm pleasantly surprised by the ferocity of the fed rebels, perhaps enough to spare Uvarth a well earned sacking.
Maybe even let some distinguished popular leaders into minor nobility to form a council and rule the world for the empire.
Kind of a parody of the parliament but far less empowered.
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>>5890844
>>5890850
Maybe we could expand the border boys to also have exploratory duties? Obviously not long distance scouting stuff but something more than JUST patrols.
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>>5890850
Bold of you to assume that is not how they look. Also I was there during the merchant battle, it was still an impressive win for us (because Heinrichs are the best), we only took heavy losses from the split fleet because the leader was not a Heinrich. You do make a good point though so I would be willing to make the border watch a bit more impressive.
>>5890854
I was thinking we could have an explorers guild or something, giving them a fleet of their own to explore the reaches of space. They of course would only answer to the Emperor like the other department fleet and thus act like our guard dogs in case of insurrection.
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>>5890852
I think the dice were actually quite in-character most of the time. We smashed them in space, they refused to roll over or compromise and fought to the last at every turn to protect their dream while Otto just did not stop. We can respect their tenacity and commitment and lament that they wasted it in service of an ideology and politicians so undeserving of it.

Now we have to handle the hot potato we've just been handed that is the Uvarth worlds, we could use the rebels as the foundation for the new administation, since they have a peeve with the Feds and we have ideological sympathisers. Perhaps it would be better to establish a vassal Dominion of Uvarth that answers to House Heinrich featuring members of the old administration (after awarding prizes out to our allies) we can trust to maintain some continuity and damp down unrest rather than annexing it immediately. A sort of Space Vichy, I suppose.

>>5890854
Perhaps we could do that by establishing some listening posts along our borders that are their responsibility? They would collect ELINT, monitor traffic coming in and out and peer into goings-on well beyond the usual sensor range. Or maybe that's just my Stellaris showing.
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Completely off topic, but I wonder what is out there in the Lost Reaches. Lost human colonies for sure. Yellabones Reavers too. But what else? More aliens, eldritch dimensional horrors, the end game crisis that we have to unite every against, nothing?

>>5890844
I'm not sure marrying Erica to Tyler is of the same binding quality that marrying Anna to Alphonse or Clara to Albin was, given that those were marriages to the reigning emperor. That, and there is probably still some sense of duty regarding doing what's best for the house regardless of friendships, though I'm sure we'd argue what's best for Arthen is for them to get along with us. Partially I just think that narrative aside, mechanically we probably need one more diplomatic push to get into Arthen's good graces.

Likewise with Zephyr, I just think they need the one cash injection to be one of the big boys. It's worth doing, though of course Albin's xenophile ambitions come first.
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>>5890861
You would be correct but it is that plus the other things too. We warded their kids, they warded the imperial heir and Albin is close to their heirs. We will have to see how it is when the old geezer passes though. I am biased however as I just really want the De Croize brainpower to make our fleets even better to bulldoze even harder. Plus, the Croizes and Rothsfords are still neutral though leaning towards friendly and I think its in our best interests to get them on our side.
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>>5890867
also depends on the candidate they put forward the imperial heir is odd much like his father he need a wife just as eccentric as his mother
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>>5890873
I wonder who would be a good match for Otto. God, imagine if he found a wife who could keep up with him on the battlefield.
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>>5890867
Oh, to be clear. When I say "improve relations with Arthen", I don't mean marrying Otto to one. I just mean do a couple of the actions on the strategic layer to improve relations with the noble houses. I'm fine with marrying Otto to a De Croize.
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>>5890875
A genetically altered amazoness/ gorilla woman who can Crack then helmets of power armor between he thighs and producd dozens of sons unlike the traditional one son we've been getting every generation thus far.
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>>5890875
that or a admiral wife so he can focus on ground warfare or engineer wife who arms him with highest tech shit so his trail of blood is even bigger

so yeah either an equal or someone who compliments his lifestyle
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>>5890873
So far as the Emperor's consorts most have been the opposites, no? Anna when she married Alphonse was a lot quieter and timid compared to that behemoth of a man. Clara is a trained assassin from Nightshayd and a pretty starch contrast to Albin when he was young compared to now. Yet both times they managed to be pretty happy so I am not that worried about who Otto marries
>>5890875
I just imagine Otto to be some type of Hyperborean-looking warrior god.
>>5890877
That works too
>>5890881
2 daughters before a son, then another 2 daughters is the genetic law apparently.
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>>5890887
My personal headcanon is he's a blonde Arnold schwarzenegger Conan, but dressed like sharpe or flashman
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I created a quick pastebin to keep track of ideas people have and priorities we're working towards. I've used it to keep some of my musings but it's a bit short at the moment. So have a brainstorm, throw your best ideas and things you think we should work towards at me and I'll stick em in for later reference.
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The final stage of the campaign is a magnificent end befitting such a sordid, bastard state as theirs.

The rebel militia comprise a majority of your forces on the ground and by every estimate, have risen far above their lowly origins. They are untrained, yet unafraid, undisciplined, yet unstoppable in their advance. Surrounding a disillusioned core of ex-federals who've seen the light of reason, these men are akin to a tsunami, washing away the squalid inefficiencies of the past! Uvarth is conquered step-by-step, yes, but most of the boots are worn by its own sons! It's become clear that they could've won this rebellion on their own. The forces of the Empire merely eased the upending.

The imperial forces beneath Yannick are outnumbered even now, cut off from resupply and deep in hostile territory. The son of House Junger carves his name into legend by countering the enemy with contemptuous ease. It has become evident that his mediocre past was not the result of incompetence, but a misuse of his talents! His tactical aptitude is merely above average, if that, but he's a strategic maestro that comes once in a generation, who can effortlessly move masses of men where they're poised to counter the enemy before they've even determined their own plans!

The men on the ground have started calling him "Sharp-Eye", for his uncanny knack at spotting opportunities almost any other man would miss. Under his command, the last of the Federation's forces are dismantled piecemeal, with a bare minimum of losses.

House Heinrich has always been a martial lineage, but Otto is something else entirely. He spills rivers of blood wherever he goes. While his skill as a general is merely excellent, as any noble scion trained by Arthen should be, he is unmatched in his martial prowess and ability to inspire the men below him. They would follow him anywhere! Especially to the house of parliament!

The minor nobles fight in his wake, encircling and exterminating lingering federal regiments, be they fleeing or stubborn, with a skill that utterly belies their force's mismatched regalia. Otto is grateful for their work.
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>>5890901
It isn't long before the true end of democracy on Uvarth arrives. You could've bombed the house of parliament from orbit. It would've been tactically expedient and a trivial effort at that, but the symbolic significance, of the imperial banner soaring above their tattered rags, cannot be overstated. All of the imperial forces soon converge at this singular point.

Here, where ages ago the starving settlers of a forgotten world decided to pledge themselves to each other, to decree law by the masses, for the masses, dispensing of any higher authority. Here, where for centuries they held vote and grew from an embattled nameless backwater to the prosperous center of a star nation encompassing nearly half a hundred stars. Here, where those chosen to judge their fellow man decided that it was better the death of democracy be physical than metaphorical. Here, the son of Albin Heinrich steps over their age-old dais, prime minster's bloodied skull in hand!

The war for Uvarth has been won!
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>>5890903
The war here is over, but the taking of spoils cannot yet begin. Several decisions need to be made. As the Federation of Uvarth was a vast polity (and for that matter, hasn't been fully conquered yet), this will be a prolonged process.

The Federation of Uvarth was ruled by four major political parties, which held most of the state's assets in commons. These are, in order of popularity, the Federalist Party, which advocated militancy and expansion of democratic ideals across the stars, the Peace Party, which advocated an isolationist stance and fortification, the Market Party, which advocated trade and less government oversight, and the Ecologist Party, which advocated environmentalism and stricter regulations on private and public actors. Of these, the Federalist Party gave the most determined resistance toward the Empire and is no longer a considerable problem, as an overwhelming supermajority of their prominent leaders died resisting you.

The Peace Party and Market Party also fought, but the former wasn't as aggressive and the latter was evenly split between resistance and neutrality. The Ecologist Party on the contrary clung to its ideals and refused to fight... for the Federation. Most of the Ecologist Party officials have long held clandestine support for the Empire, as they disagreed with the Federation's fairweather approach to pollution and greatly admired Albin's reforms. When the rebellion began, they made up a sizable chunk of the militia's officers.

Needless to say, the Federalist Party will be dismantled as an organization, but the question of what should be done with the rest is still up in the air. You decide to handle them on a case-by-case basis. As a majority of the rebels weren't active party members, this will have little impact on their support of the Empire. These aren't only factions of the Federation that need to be dealt with, but they are the most pressing at the moment.
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>>5890905
What should you do with the Peace Party? Their isolationist tendencies were no danger to the Empire, but their fortifications reaped a nasty toll.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.

What should you do with the Market Party? Their mercantile leanings are a farce and they have little to offer in your opinion, but you have, on seldom occasion, been wrong before.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Integrate them into the Empire. They'll likely form another bloc competing with the Corps, though it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.

What should you do with the Ecologist Party?

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. Their arbitrary fixation on nature is dangerous, no matter their authoritarian leanings, and the less the Empire has to do with them, the better.
>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.

In no case will integration entail continued voting, merely a shifting around of their personnel and priorities.
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>>5890906
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.

>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
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>>5890906
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.
the frontier needs defenses
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
house soulton will appercaite this especially with bloody toll they sufferd
>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
loyalty should be rewarded
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>>5890906
>>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. Their arbitrary fixation on nature is dangerous, no matter their authoritarian leanings, and the less the Empire has to do with them, the better.
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>>5890906
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
Albin is the Pontiff of an ecological cult, their greatest saint is Steve Irwin
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>>5890906
For Peace,
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.
For Market,
>Integrate them into the Empire. They'll likely form another bloc competing with the Corps, though it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.
It’ll keep the merchants factionalized and weaker, but really I’m hoping it makes integration easier.
For Ecologists,
>Integrate them into the Empire, but not under House Heinrich. Allow them to sway another house closer to House Heinrich through their zealotry.
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>>5890906
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. Their arbitrary fixation on nature is dangerous, no matter their authoritarian leanings, and the less the Empire has to do with them, the better.

Total federation death
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>>5890905
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.

A fine boost for the participants of this most noble conquest.

>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
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>>5890906
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.
Absorb their knowledge of defensive works, we took massive casualties during this campaign and could stand to learn how to build bunkers better.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
Spoils for the conquest and to reward the loyalty of Soluton and the minor nobility.

>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
They fought for us. Reward loyalty.
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>>5890906
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Dismantle them. Their arbitrary fixation on nature is dangerous, no matter their authoritarian leanings, and the less the Empire has to do with them, the better.

Tear down the whole rotten structure, but don't punish the ecologists.
If afterwards they reform into something less specific but in the service of the empire they're welcome but not as it is.
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>>5890906
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Dismantle them. Their arbitrary fixation on nature is dangerous, no matter their authoritarian leanings, and the less the Empire has to do with them, the better.
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>>5890906
Peace
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.

Market
>Integrate them into the Empire. They'll likely form another bloc competing with the Corps, though it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.

Competition is good

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. Their arbitrary fixation on nature is dangerous, no matter their authoritarian leanings, and the less the Empire has to do with them, the better.

Their anti-noble leanings should not be allowed to fester within the Empire
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>>5890906
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.

We could use some hardier defenses.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.

We need the dosh, and I'm worried they might instead collaborate with the Corps.

>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.

They hold the promise to be a very strong powerbase.
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>>5890906
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. Their arbitrary fixation on nature is dangerous, no matter their authoritarian leanings, and the less the Empire has to do with them, the better.
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>>5890906
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.
>Integrate them into the Empire. They'll likely form another bloc competing with the Corps, though it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.
>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
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>>5890906
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
The other two might harbor republican sentiments, but the Ecologist Party fought on our side.
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>>5890906

Peace party
>Integrate them into the Empire. Their expertise could make building up our defenses easier, if they're carefully monitored, that is.

Market party

>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.

Eco Party

>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
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>>5890906
>Peace
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Market
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Eco
>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
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>>5890899
Very nice, thank you anon.
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I've been lurking for a while and I want to commend the QM for making this quest.
The sheer amount of investment by the anons is proof that this was worth the read.
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>>5891210
The fine for lurking is one (1) contribution to the Bright(-ish) Ideas Pastebin
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>>5891216
How about creating something like the French Foreign Legion? We could host some disillusioned soldiers or civvies from the Federation as more formal volunteers instead of the rebellious militias we have going on. You never said it had to be a good idea or an original one kek
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>>5890906
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. As far as you're concerned, these patriots are no better than the Federalists.
>Dismantle them and confiscate their assets. They're the wealthiest party and weren't able to flee with their fortune, fine pickings for the armada.
>Integrate them into the Empire. They're certain to join Alby's eco-cult and give it an even deeper anti-noble bent, but the more support the throne has, the stronger its position.
You know what I'll break my lurk and actually vote for once. Will probably just go right back to it later since I'll be busy lmao
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You choose to dismantle the Peace Party and confiscate their assets. They may have been useful for their knowledge fortifications, but the Empire could have never trusted them. The chance that they would betray old Earth at some point is too dire to contemplate.

You choose to dismantle the Market Party and confiscate their assets. This is as they deserve. Their wealth wasn’t earned through the legitimate avenues of taxation or grant from higher ranking nobility, it was purloined through the dual treacheries of advertisement and consumerism. Besides, the Empire will use it better than they ever could have.

You, begrudgingly, choose to integrate the Ecologist Party into the Empire. Though the notion of ignoring, let alone tolerating their subconscious egalitarian sympathies is anathema, they fought for your cause. If your dynasty doesn’t reward loyalty, it is destitute. You’re sure Alby will figure something out with them, anyhow.

Next comes the issue of the Federation’s non-state assets. You note that there are two major Corps active within their territory. During the war, you were too preoccupied to dwell on it for long but now that the fighting has slowed down, you are disgusted. The first Corp is none other than Floreds Corp. Apparently, a remnant of that Merchant filth endured beyond the Empire’s reach, conducting open business in the Federation.

Though elements of all three of the Corps remained, Floreds Corp got the better of them and gradually took over their niches. Overall, it’s comparable to any of the Empire’s Corps in scale. Even more nauseatingly, they’ve continued their wretched business practices. Their continued existence is unacceptable.

What should you do?

>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.
>Dismantle the Corp and seize its assets. The executives may continue to live but they will be unemployed at gunpoint. If the Corps care for their plight, they can find work under them later. Either way, it’s not your problem.
>Integrate the Corp into the Empire. If all of this were sent to Ceiblue, it would grant them an unacceptable degree of influence. So, it will be broken apart into its composite elements, each sent to the appropriate Merchant Corp, where they will be rebranded. This will enrich each of them by a notable degree but it will also improve their disposition to the throne.
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>>5891298
The second Corp is Bullseye Corp, which maintained a great deal of the Federation’s military-industrial complex. In particular, they were responsible for the shipyards and seem to have held a similar role as Cherry Corp within the Empire. Apart from this, they maintain several novelty theme-parks and a chain of stores- Bullseye-Mart. They don’t seem to have loyalty toward the Federation or the ideals of democracy. Rather, they are concerned with war. In any event, they would represent a large interest, nearly fit to rival Amasoft Corp.

What should you do?

>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. They may have had no relations to the Merchants but their awful job of manufacturing a navy is repugnant. The Empire will make better use of its assets, and its higher-ups will be sent to Cradus XVII in chains.
>Dismantle the Corp and seize its assets. No matter their lack of love lost for the Federation, their previous loyalties are an unacceptable risk. The executives may continue to live and seek employment, but they will receive nothing else.
>Allow the Corp to retain its domestic assets, but seize the shipyards. It is of no consequence if another Corp competes within the Empire’s markets but their shipyards must go- to the ancient foundries of Mars and trusted technicians of Cherry Corp.
>Allow the Corp to retain its shipyards, but seize its domestic assets. Their navy’s poor showing was the result of the Empire’s brilliance and previous depletion. The experts of Bullseye Corp may yet yield a worthwhile contribution to the Empire, in a subservient status.
>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
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>>5891298
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.

>>5891299
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. They may have had no relations to the Merchants but their awful job of manufacturing a navy is repugnant. The Empire will make better use of its assets, and its higher-ups will be sent to Cradus XVII in chains.

Total corpo death. This is what father would've wanted.
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Damn, I wanted to integrate the Peace Party. Would my vote have made a difference?
>>5891298
>Dismantle the Corp and seize its assets. The executives may continue to live but they will be unemployed at gunpoint. If the Corps care for their plight, they can find work under them later. Either way, it’s not your problem.
>>5891299
>Allow the Corp to retain its domestic assets, but seize the shipyards. It is of no consequence if another Corp competes within the Empire’s markets but their shipyards must go- to the ancient foundries of Mars and trusted technicians of Cherry Corp.
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>>5891298
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.
They kept spreading their poison, so they are just as guilty.

>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
I don't see a need to punish them overmuch, they built the fleet that contested the vrakaks and could have repelled the empire under better leadership.
Also their practices aren't of the vile kind.
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>>5891307
The final vote was 10 to dismantle, 8 to integrate. You'll be able to dump funds into streamlining fortifications later on. The Peace Party would've eased it but also increased the risk of foul play, as they aren't loyal to the Empire.
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>>5891298
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.

>>5891299
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. They may have had no relations to the Merchants but their awful job of manufacturing a navy is repugnant. The Empire will make better use of its assets, and its higher-ups will be sent to Cradus XVII in chains.
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>>5891299
>Integrate the Corp into the Empire. If all of this were sent to Ceiblue, it would grant them an unacceptable degree of influence. So, it will be broken apart into its composite elements, each sent to the appropriate Merchant Corp, where they will be rebranded. This will enrich each of them by a notable degree but it will also improve their disposition to the throne.
>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
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>>5891298
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.
>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
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>>5891299
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.

>Allow the Corp to retain its domestic assets, but seize the shipyards. It is of no consequence if another Corp competes within the Empire’s markets but their shipyards must go- to the ancient foundries of Mars and trusted technicians of Cherry Corp.
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>>5891298
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.

>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
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>>5891298
>>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.
>>5891299
>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
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>>5891298
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.
>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
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>>5891299
>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.

>Integrate the Corp into the Empire, intact. Bullseye Corp is considerably wealthy and it would do considerably well to win their gratitude. Their previous business practices, while corny, were less exploitative than the Merchants and can be tolerated, within reason. Once they’ve paid their overdue taxes, that is.
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>>5891356
>>5891379
>>5891397
>>5891401
>>5891404
The grotesque deprivations of Floreds Corp, as well as all of the old brands must cease under pain of death. It is not sufficient that Floreds Corp was unaware of the Empire’s decree, that its executives felt a trace of loyalty toward their sickening brand at all is irrefutable proof of treasonous intent! They must be punished accordingly. Floreds Corp is plundered and its higher-ups are to be condemned alongside the other Brand Loyalists.

Bullseye Corp, by dint of its local origins, is less offensive. After much contemplation, you decide to integrate them into the Empire, intact. Although you do demand a tax that will set their business back by decades, they are very aware you could’ve done far worse and are grateful for your mercy. In the future, perhaps they’ll cooperate with the Empire. The future role of their shipyards will be a matter of some contention, but that isn’t your decision to make. An admiral par excellence you may be, but a shipwright you are not. That is for the best. Everyone has their place in the Empire, to be surpassed only through personal effort and achievement. That is what allows the Empire to remain strong.

Now that the Corps have been dealt with, you turn your attention to the remainder of the Federation. There are three major decisions which merit your judgement as acting admiral.

First, what should be done with the rebels? They fought with unexpected competence and eased the taking of Uvarth considerably. Even so, they are technically traitors to their cause.

>Disband their forces and spare them, as promised. It will not do to have unprofessional militia up and around, and they’ve served their purpose.
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.
>Set up some new organization for dissidents outside of the Empire. Some sort of… foreign legion, perhaps. Maybe penal battalions could be folded under it, as you did always have a fondness for them in boardgames. Alby could handle the details, him and his love for bureaucracy.
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>>5891415
Second, what should be done with the Federation’s remains? Unlike the Merchant Holdings, the egalitarians fought to the very end. So much so, you suspect that if you’d fought them before the Vrakaks, the armada would’ve suffered casualties.

>Make an example of them. The officials of the Federation which did not surrender or participate in the rebellion will be found guilty of treason and publicly tortured until expiration. Likewise, every sign of democracy, every plaque, statue, and manuscript, shall be destroyed in a righteous spectacle.
>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare. Further, the erasure of their democracy will be a quiet, somber affair.
>Grant them mercy. The officials of the Federation will be stripped of all power and barred from the slightest authority, but they will be permitted to live, as the democracy they gave their lives for dies in silence.
>Preserve their legacy. The officials of the Federation managed to impress you, so they shall be allowed to live and if suitable, hold office. The symbols of democracy will be put on display in museums, recontextualized for the public as a regrettable mistake and brief, if spirited, interruption of the Eternal Empire.

Third, what should be done with the frontier? It still hasn’t been formally conquered but is largely powerless to threaten the Empire. It is also a fairly large territory and while there’s a small chance of overextending, grants of lands are always popular with the nobility.

>The Empire will ignore it for now. These stars are useless to the throne except as a money-sink. They can be occupied in the future.
>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891415
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.
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>>5891415
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
Simple.
>>5891417
>Allow them to die with dignity but preserve their legacy. The officials of the Federation managed to impress you so their symbols of democracy will be put on display in museums, recontextualized for the public as a regrettable mistake and brief, if spirited, interruption of the Eternal Empire.
I want this mix. Don't let enemies live but respect their strength and conviction.
>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
We must finish what we started!
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>>5891415
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.

>Write In: Allow them to die with dignity but still destroy every sign of democracy.

>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891423
Though it should be emphasized WHY they were fought. That it is a shame that such valour was completely wasted on the seductive idealism of democracy. Autocracy rules! Woop woop!
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>>5891417
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.


>Preserve their legacy. The officials of the Federation managed to impress you, so they shall be allowed to live and if suitable, hold office. The symbols of democracy will be put on display in museums, recontextualized for the public as a regrettable mistake and brief, if spirited, interruption of the Eternal Empire.

Only because of the ones who went down guns blazing before Otto achieved SSS style on them all. Which should be the main attract of the museum, either with recording or a wax replica of the event

>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891415
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
They are, essentially, mercs. They should have a chance to elevate themselves through official channels.

>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare. Further, the erasure of their democracy will be a quiet, somber affair.

>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891425
>>5891432
>>5891433
Would any of you be willing to support my write-in? The worst part about the mercy option is letting such an enemy live but the part about preserving the history will benefit us more than destroying it will.
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>>5891298

>Plunder the Corp and punish its employees. The executives may have been unaware of the Empire’s laws, but that is no excuse. The Corp will be eradicated and its higher-ups sent to Cradus XVII in chains.

>Allow the Corp to retain its domestic assets, but seize the shipyards. It is of no consequence if another Corp competes within the Empire’s markets but their shipyards must go- to the ancient foundries of Mars and trusted technicians of Cherry Corp.

Some leniency for the Bullseye people seems reasonable
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>>5891438
I'd support putting the surviving politicians in a zoo esc exhibit in the museum, as the last living democrats with fun events like them being made to vote what they're fed for dinner or which fun tricks they perform for the audience, like signing a bill or debating with each other
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>>5891415

>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.

Not sure if we should be creating new nobility here with Alby’s permission
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>>5891438
Will it? I know you can't really destroy an idea but preserving symbols and information on said idea will be used as fuel to radicalize others toward democracy while also acting as a rallying point for preexisting democracy sympathizers. I just don't know if trying to subvert the stuff instead will be nearly as effective as just trying to destroy it all.
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>>5891450
You said it yourself, you can't destroy and idea. Also, subversion works way more than censorship. It's always better to make your target audience think their opinions are their own idea rather than an outsider's being imposed upon them.
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>>5891415
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
They fought for us and so shall be welcomed (screen them obviously)
>Set up some new organization for dissidents outside of the Empire. Some sort of… foreign legion, perhaps. Maybe penal battalions could be folded under it, as you did always have a fondness for them in boardgames. Alby could handle the details, him and his love for bureaucracy.
can't see why we can't do this too since in the future we may need it and so may aswell set it up now.
>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare. Further, the erasure of their democracy will be a quiet, somber affair.
Obviously, spare some of the lower-level guys who were inoffensive and those who switched sides.
>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
I don't think we really even need to fight them, just bring the fleet out and do a general broadcast demanding their surrender while showing the mercy given to the core and the capital. The frontier has no one to defend it, can't create a fleet to defend itself so this should be a no-brainer.
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>>5891415
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.
>>5891417
>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare. Further, the erasure of their democracy will be a quiet, somber affair.
>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891415
>Disband their forces and spare them, as promised. It will not do to have unprofessional militia up and around, and they’ve served their purpose.

>>5891417
>Make an example of them. The officials of the Federation which did not surrender or participate in the rebellion will be found guilty of treason and publicly tortured until expiration. Likewise, every sign of democracy, every plaque, statue, and manuscript, shall be destroyed in a righteous spectacle.
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>>5891468
Forgot the last bit
>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891415
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.

>>5891417
>Make an example of them. The officials of the Federation which did not surrender or participate in the rebellion will be found guilty of treason and publicly tortured until expiration. Likewise, every sign of democracy, every plaque, statue, and manuscript, shall be destroyed in a righteous spectacle.

>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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I still hope against hope that QM won't have us destroy all that history for the sake of iconoclasm. I wonder, if the votes for the fate of the survivors and the history had been made seperate, would that have helped the situation?
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>>5891415
>Induct any volunteers
It would be a waste to just be rid of them, given they fought with such fervor.
>>5891417
>Allow them to die with dignity.
This entails not pulling a Mao with their history, right?
>The Empire will conque them, in full.
We can't allow for any holes for brigands and the like to take advantage of.
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>>5891504
My cope is that the winning prompt doesn't explicitly say that we'll pull a Mao.
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>>5891415
For the leaders of the rebellion
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.

For the rest
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.

>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare. Further, the erasure of their democracy will be a quiet, somber affair.

Their democracy will pass so silently few will remember it ever existed

>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
If we don’t take them, somebody else will
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>>5891415
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
Be a shame to waste the talent some of the rebels clearly had, should they elect to serve us in the future.
>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare.
>The symbols of democracy will be put on display in museums, recontextualized for the public as a regrettable mistake and brief, if spirited, interruption of the Eternal Empire.
We cannot make martyrs of either the Federation itself or the people who upheld it. You do not counter a narrative by brushing it under the carpet. In time, hopefully, the Federation should become a historical curiosity rather than something they took from us and tried to erase.
>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
May as well. They shouldn't strain our administrative capacity much, leaving them unoccupied could brew trouble and we can pay off our allies with them.
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>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.
>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare. Further, the erasure of their democracy will be a quiet, somber affair.
>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891210
I'm very happy to see this much engagement from you all. It adds a lot of life to the thread. I will admit that I considered making this a Simple Space Republic Quest before I started the first thread, to riff on the stereotypes, but I figured that doing intrigue with noble houses would be more fun than wrangling opposing political parties. That, and it's easier to have the quest be more character-driven when it's centered around a dynasty rather than an institution.

>>5891489
>>5891504
My reasoning for bundling the fate of the Federation's survivors and history together is that Angelica's the one overseeing the campaign. Due to Alphonse's assassination by Brand Loyalists, she has a reflexive distrust for the masses (as almost every one of the Heinrichs do, Otto being the exception for his distance from Alphonse and time spent campaigning in the trenches with them, or the commoners fighting under House Heinrich) and as democracy is government by consensus, or agreement of the masses, she's hostile toward it on principle. To clarify, knowledge of the Federation and its former history would be kept by the nobility no matter what, this is whether or not the various public monuments and symbols celebrating their democracy should be preserved.

If you wanted to preserve history while executing the survivors, that's completely doable. The default prompts aren't the only options and very, very often don't include the best choice, they just reflect the personality of the one making them. You're always welcome to make write-ins. I'm busy baking some brownies and likely won't be updating for another hour. Looks like you'll be trying to seize the frontier, which by all rights should be a trivial task but nothing is certain in war.
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>>5891531
Honestly, some of these decisions seem like they should be kicked higher up the chain than Angelica. Is message delay really that long?
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>>5891531
Then will we wrap up all the history and send it to Albin? I can live with that.
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>>5891550
Support this
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>>5891542
If a fleet burns engines at full speed, it's roughly six months to Mars and six months back. If they're slowed down to protect against a potential ambush and keep their ships maintained, it's nine months. If they're taking their time to monitor the area as they go, it's as long as twelve months. The request for reinforcements was urgent and went there and back at maximum speed but if reinforcements were sent in, it would've been the next turn before they arrived in earnest. As daughter of Alphonse, Angelica has a hefty amount of cachet with the armada and under House Heinrich's reign so far, post-conquest decisions have been made by the acting admiral. She has a legal and filial obligation to act with Albin's best interests in mind and has, as she would've preferred to dismantle the Ecologist Party but opted to let them persist.

The Empire doesn't have a regimented procedure for who's making decisions when, outside of a broad idea of noblesse oblige in concert with the Emperor having de jure absolute authority and the citizens of the Empire being subordinate to it. At the moment, squads obey their squad leader, who obeys their commander, who obeys their general or admiral. The generals or admirals then obey either their noble house which they owe fealty to or the ruling dynasty who they're beholden to by default, and that's influenced by the politics of everyone involved. The Empire's management is a sprawling web of favours and obligations with a select few ironclad imperial decrees superseding the former under most but not necessarily all circumstances. For example, if Emperor Albin insisted that House Arthen mobilize for war, House Arthen would have disobeyed over Lughan's disapproval, as he's the traditional leader of their House and they feel a stronger obligation toward him than assisting a war of aggression, even if they agreed with it personally. There is an imperial bureaucracy that doesn't have leanings to any specific noble house, which consists of governors for the (usually remote or poor) planets which aren't owned by noble houses, the imperial shipyards, and the Astronomicon Academy, which itself was almost unprecedented under the previous dynasties.
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>>5891565
If you'd chosen to allow the noble houses to keep their forces together, every one of your troops and ships would be a retinue beholden to a specific noble house. Likely more competent, due to the superior facilities and lifelong loyalties of each noble force, however, they wouldn't be loyal to the throne above all else. They would be sworn to fight for the interests of their house, first and foremost. Commoners, such as Harold, also wouldn't be in any leadership positions. Right now, it's unlikely for commoners to reach a position of prominence but it's possible. For every admiral, I've rolled a 1d12 to see whether they're part of a major house on a 1-6, a minor house on a 7-11, or a commoner on a 12. I have a couple of barebones subtables for which house they're then affiliated with. This is rerolled each generation and could influence their side in a civil war, but imperial forces are almost certain to back the throne. Unless the war is a succession crisis within the dynasty, in which case shit has hit the fan and it's likely to take generations to recover.

>>5891550
This is very possible to do, and Albin would be tickled pink. His interests are more zoological than political but he's a very curious person in general.
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>>5891415
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house. (Only for the leaders of the rebellion)
>Induct any volunteers into the Astronomicon Academy. Those who feel they’ve fought for long enough may lay down their weapons, those who wish to continue their service will be embraced with open arms.
>Set up some new organization for dissidents outside of the Empire. Some sort of… foreign legion, perhaps. Maybe penal battalions could be folded under it, as you did always have a fondness for them in boardgames. Alby could handle the details, him and his love for bureaucracy.
These together sound fun.

>Allow them to die with dignity. The officials of the Federation fought with sufficient determination, you deem they’ve earned a swift, painless execution without fanfare. Further, the erasure of their democracy will be a quiet, somber affair.

>The Empire will conquer them, in full. This will entail a longer campaign before you can divvy out the spoils, but you need to be thorough.
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>>5891568
Then can you please write that? Pretty please?
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>>5891565
All right, #1 on the future research agenda is a usable ansible design. I don't care how much time and resources we have to throw at the problem, relying on a painfully slow sneakernet like this is unacceptable for military or civil affairs
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The way this war ended up going I find myself itching for more interlude stories aside from the one featuring the Federalist Admirality. The Uvarth Parliament's reaction to the fall of the Core Worlds and the fierce debate over accepting our peace deal or fighting to the death would make for good ones, as would any stories involving Otto leading from the front and Yannick's counter-attack that had him rise to fame. A shame none of the Rebel Militias spawned a named character that a story could've focused on, even though they did so well on the rolls.
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>>5891609
You didn't hear about Farmer Bawb and his bawdy bunchy boys?
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>>5891417
>Elevate them into the aristocracy which they fought for. Some of them were exceptional and driven combatants, they will make worthy seeds for a flourishing, if minor noble house.
>Preserve their legacy. The officials of the Federation managed to impress you, so they shall be allowed to live and if suitable, hold office. The symbols of democracy will be put on display in museums, recontextualized for the public as a regrettable mistake and brief, if spirited, interruption of the Eternal Empire.
>The Empire will ignore it for now. These stars are useless to the throne except as a money-sink. They can be occupied in the future.
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Rolled 4 - 2 (1d6 - 2)

>>5891418
>>5891423
>>5891425
>>5891428
>>5891432
>>5891433
>>5891448
>>5891454
>>5891466
>>5891468
>>5891470
>>5891475
>>5891504
>>5891517
>>5891524
>>5891525
>>5891571
>>5891622
As a Heinrich, you have a great deal of sympathy toward rebels fighting for an imperial cause. As the elder sister of the Emperor and throne-appointed admiral, you would be within your rights to reward the boldest leaders among them with entrance to the lowest rungs of aristocracy. However, these men were once participants in democracy and you know how Alby can be. You decide to make something of a compromise.

The volunteers among the rebels will be inducted into the Astronomicon Academy and sent to undergo psychological screening, reeducation, and training. You’ll recommend that the few who both performed well in their studies and the campaign for Uvarth be elevated into a new noble house. This way, their nobility or lack of it will be Alby’s decision to make and you can wash your hands of it.

You decide that the Federation’s survivors have earned the right to die with dignity. Anyone willing to keep fighting when they have no hope of victory, solely because they swore to do so is worthy of your respect, even if their cause is worthy of only contempt. The various ringleaders and soldiers will be executed by firing squad, while the civilians who only fought due to ignorance and desperation will be allowed to keep their pitiful lives.

This is once again, an unexpected degree of mercy. While most curse the Empire in their dying breaths, very few use their last words to curse your name. You turn your attention to the matter of their legacy. The Federation was a disgusting mockery of Mankind’s spirit, a vile, wretched psychological plague that sought to undermine the esteemed bloodlines of the nobility and throw the helpless masses into the throes of anarchy and despair. It must be snuffed out, utterly erased…

But a thought crosses your mind.

What should be done with these symbols of democracy?

>Destroy them outright! The filth cannot be allowed to fester! In time, it will be forgotten by all save the noble lineages which participated in its eradication, as is proper!
>Take them as trophies! These heaps of garbage will be shipped back to Mars, where they can be made a mockery of, their false pride reduced to proof of the Eternal Empire’s invincibility!

Once you’ve made your decision, you decide to finish the conquest of the Federation in full. The frontier is practically defenseless but there are many, many colonies scattered through the void. This may take some time.

Or not, depending...

>The enemy’s roll-
>1d6-2 to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ideological Opponents], +1 [Deep Propaganda], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -1 [Recent Major Defeat], -1 [Lost Capital]
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>>5891665
>Take them as trophies! These heaps of garbage will be shipped back to Mars, where they can be made a mockery of, their false pride reduced to proof of the Eternal Empire’s invincibility!
You already know how I feel. Hope a 2 is enough for them to surrender peacefully though.
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>>5891665
The frontier regions grant you a formal offer of surrender. Their terms are rather... depressing, in all honesty. You consider them carefully, and keep an eye-out for any hidden, treacherous subtext.

>The Federation's Terms:
>They want...
>Food and supplies for their isolated settlements.
>Assistance reconstructing their war-ravaged worlds.
>Some degree of protection from the Vrakaks.
>The right to continue electing local councils.

>In exchange...
>They will relinquish any claim to continued sovereignty.
>The Empire will be granted full control of their territories.

Hmph. Much better than the last set of terms, but still not ideal.

You doubt they would continue to fight if you rejected them outright.

How should you respond?

>Accept their surrender. It means nothing if petty mayors are decided by the masses.
>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.
>Commence the invasion. They are in no position whatsoever to think of negotiating.
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>>5891665
>Destroy them outright! The filth cannot be allowed to fester! In time, it will be forgotten by all save the noble lineages which participated in its eradication, as is proper!
>Commence the invasion. They are in no position whatsoever to think of negotiating.
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>>5891665
>Destroy them outright! The filth cannot be allowed to fester! In time, it will be forgotten by all save the noble lineages which participated in its eradication, as is proper!
Either way we should show how we feel about it.

>>5891673
>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.
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>>5891665
>Take them as trophies! These heaps of garbage will be shipped back to Mars, where they can be made a mockery of, their false pride reduced to proof of the Eternal Empire’s invincibility!
>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.
Remove the local council thing, the rest of the terms were what we would do anyway since they are now our territories.
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>>5891673
>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.
Remove the local councils and add great protection from the Vrakaks as compensation. It's in our interest to do so anyway.
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>>5891673
I'm curious how the frontier regions are even able to grant a formal offer of surrender considering they are just loosely connected backwaters at this point.

Anyway
>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.
and reluctantly
>Take them as trophies! These heaps of garbage will be shipped back to Mars, where they can be made a mockery of, their false pride reduced to proof of the Eternal Empire’s invincibility!
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>>5891673
>>Accept their surrender. It means nothing if petty mayors are decided by the masses.

Just take it, we can stomach democracy on the local scale and this campaign has been bloody enough. Frankly it's likely to be a fair bit more efficient.
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>Take them as trophies! These heaps of garbage will be shipped back to Mars, where they can be made a mockery of, their false pride reduced to proof of the Eternal Empire’s invincibility!
>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.
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>>5891665

forgot
>Take them as trophies! These heaps of garbage will be shipped back to Mars, where they can be made a mockery of, their false pride reduced to proof of the Eternal Empire’s invincibility!

We need bitching trophies from this campaign.
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>>5891665
>Destroy them outright! The filth cannot be allowed to fester! In time, it will be forgotten by all save the noble lineages which participated in its eradication, as is proper!

Ideas must be destroyed - lest they fester and influence those of weak mind and will

>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.
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Rolled 2 - 2 (1d6 - 2)

>>5891669
>>5891689
>>5891682
>>5891684
>>5891688
>>5891694
>>5891696
>>5891703
>>5891698
>>5891707
Earlier, you decided to keep these symbols of democracy as trophies. Proof of House Heinrich’s power and purity of noble blood. These dangerous icons will, of course, be kept away from the prying eyes of the public, as susceptible as so many commoners are to seditious lies.

Though the frontier has no true military remaining, it does have a number of small civilian ships which exchange intersystem messages and conduct trade on a cyclic basis. This fragile network has allowed them to hold cohesion in the wake of the Empire’s warpath and spread word of Uvarth’s fall. It has also enabled a degree of diplomacy.

You have no patience for this talk of “voting” and “councils”. You draft a new, fair set of terms.

>The Empire’s Terms:
>They will receive…
>Food and supplies for their isolated settlements.
>Assistance in reconstructing their war-raved worlds.
>The finest protection from the Vrakaks that is practical to spare.
>A pardon for attempting to continue their nauseating democracy.

>In exchange...
>They will relinquish any claim to continued sovereignty.
>The Empire will be granted full control of their territories.

You expect them to refuse but that’s what the armada’s tonnage is for.

>The enemy’s roll-
>1d6-2 to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ideological Opponents], +1 [Deep Propaganda], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -1 [Recent Major Defeat], -1 [Lost Capital]
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>>5891720
>0
>they give you the heads of the representative themselves.
Fucking hell what a surrender!
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>>5891729
>remember when the guys in charge said no when they sent terms back?
>We should say no.
>CHOP HIS STUPID TONGUE OUT BEFORE THE BIG IMPERIAL GUY HEARS HIM
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>>5891720
>0
Well, we tried boys all in favor of ending democracy?
>AYE!
Right dismissed!
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>>5891740
Truly the marvels of Democracy on display here.
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>>5891720
The frontiers accept your terms and submit without complaint. In particular, they take the initiative to dismantle their own centers of democracy and send you their remaining Federalist politicians in chains!

Wonderful! They'll make for loyal subjects yet.

The war for the Federation of Uvarth has been won!

Now comes what your older sister considers the finest part of victory...

The spoils!

The Federation of Uvarth has been thoroughly dismantled, to great profit. Though it was by far poorer than the Merchant Holdings, your lack of mercy has led to a more substantial return for the Empire.

There are eight(!) major pieces of Plunder at your disposal.

As the wartime admiral, it is your duty and privilege to determine who should receive them.

>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>House Rothsford: These merchants did nothing for your cause but such a boon would curry favour.
>House Arthen: Unlike most, they’d be ashamed to be rewarded for nothing and almost certainly try to atone for their debts.
>House Nightshayd: Your mother’s house and arguably the deadliest force behind the throne, they have done much to earn it.
>House De Croize: Their focus on culture and learnedness strikes you as pretentious, but may yet be of some use to the Empire.
>House Ustong: More or less a bribe to keep them getting too angry with the Empire, as far as you’re concerned.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>House Junger: After Yannick’s performance on the battlefield, they’ve earned a measure of recognition.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>The Royal Guard: Nobody would begrudge you giving these fools a pittance to do their job correctly.
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>>5891759
>The Imperial Navy: You’re more than a little biased, but the admirals and captains have earned a kickback.
>The Imperial Shipyards: As critical as they are to your dynasty’s continued reign, they warrant the support.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.
>The ERC: Alby’s treehuggers are dangerous but if they can be kept under wraps, they might be a decent attack dog for the throne.
>The ISL: If these idiots had a better budget, perhaps they could prevent such blinding stupidity as sports riots in the future.
>Amasoft Corp: They’ve receded in prominence but are no less influential in the Empire’s domestic markets.
>Hookware Corp: It’s likely this would defuse any simmering resentment for the throne’s heightened shipbuilding.
>Bullseye Corp: This is a bit silly, ultimately giving their taxes back to them but they would surely be pleased.
>Ceiblue Corp: Perhaps they could make more sophisticated medicines from the ruins of their predecessors.
>Loca Corp: You don’t see what the hubbub is about their loca drink, but some of their holo-flicks are pleasant.
>Cherry Corp: Their ships have served the armada well enough to be rewarded outside of their capacity as shipwrights.
>Guild Artem: If you were to give the artists a little something, they’re likely to reciprocate with a gift to the dynasty.
>Guild Malleator: These craftsmen make some of the finest tools in the Empire, in particular, Otto’s blades and your own timepiece.
>The Osgus State: You find the squids to be vile but Alby really likes them and they aren’t a democracy, technically.
>The Kingdom of Mukvir: This is beyond the pale but Alby is so fixated on the plants, maybe it would please him.
>The Rebels: Ex-federals they may be, they fought and bled for the sake of the Empire and ought to be recognized.
>The Masses: The population at large is unlikely to be pleased but giving them back some of what you’ve taken might blunt the damage.
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>>5891765
>Ceiblue Corp: Perhaps they could make more sophisticated medicines from the ruins of their predecessors.
>Loca Corp: You don’t see what the hubbub is about their loca drink, but some of their holo-flicks are pleasant.
>Cherry Corp: Their ships have served the armada well enough to be rewarded outside of their capacity as shipwrights.
>Guild Artem: If you were to give the artists a little something, they’re likely to reciprocate with a gift to the dynasty.
>The Osgus State: You find the squids to be vile but Alby really likes them and they aren’t a democracy, technically.
>The Kingdom of Mukvir: This is beyond the pale but Alby is so fixated on the plants, maybe it would please him.
>The Rebels: Ex-federals they may be, they fought and bled for the sake of the Empire and ought to be recognized.
>The Masses: The population at large is unlikely to be pleased but giving them back some of what you’ve taken might blunt the damage.
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>>5891759
>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
Reward those who answered and bled for this victory.
>The Imperial Shipyards: As critical as they are to your dynasty’s continued reign, they warrant the support.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.
To shore up our industry so we can sustain larger campaigns in the future

Use the remaining three spoils to finance the rebuilding of the captured territories to blunt the cost to the imperial treasury.
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>>5891665
>Take them as trophies! These heaps of garbage will be shipped back to Mars, where they can be made a mockery of, their false pride reduced to proof of the Eternal Empire’s invincibility!

>>5891673
>Negotiate different terms. Even democracy on the city-wide scale must be extinguished.

Maybe a more definitive guarantee of protection beyond garrisons and patrols. Make a promise for the empire to make a very modest series of fortifications along the frontier. It'll only help us against the rapidly repopulating Vrakaks and greedy pirate reavers that will no doubt look to this vulnerable region for easy plunder.

Or we could modify their wish for elections to a one-time election of local ultra low ranked nobility. After the nobles are elected, any democratic tradition is then eradicated. Let them choose nobles to aspire towards and look after their provincial interests. Though the planetary governorship of each planet will still be gifted to the participants of the campaign.

I'd rather not deplete our manpower further, even if the campaign is over. Never know when someone could decide to invade or raid us.
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>>5891759
>>5891765
I think I'll back >>5891771. Sounds the best to me.
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>>5891765
>The Rebels: Ex-federals they may be, they fought and bled for the sake of the Empire and ought to be recognized.
>The Masses: The population at large is unlikely to be pleased but giving them back some of what you’ve taken might blunt the damage.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.
>Hookware Corp: It’s likely this would defuse any simmering resentment for the throne’s heightened shipbuilding.
>The Imperial Shipyards: As critical as they are to your dynasty’s continued reign, they warrant the support.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
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>>5891774
Huh, I thought I just refreshed. Nevermind then.

>>5891759

>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>House Junger: After Yannick’s performance on the battlefield, they’ve earned a measure of recognition.
>The Imperial Navy: You’re more than a little biased, but the admirals and captains have earned a kickback.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.

Keep the participants and military happy. The shipyards just received a subsidy at the end of the last thread though, so leave them out.
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>>5891765
>The Rebels: Ex-federals they may be, they fought and bled for the sake of the Empire and ought to be recognized.
>The Masses: The population at large is unlikely to be pleased but giving them back some of what you’ve taken might blunt the damage.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>The Imperial Shipyards: As critical as they are to your dynasty’s continued reign, they warrant the support.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
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>>5891759
>>5891765

>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>House Nightshayd: Your mother’s house and arguably the deadliest force behind the throne, they have done much to earn it.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>House Junger: After Yannick’s performance on the battlefield, they’ve earned a measure of recognition.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>The Imperial Navy: You’re more than a little biased, but the admirals and captains have earned a kickback.

For obvious reasons we and our cousins will be taking a share alongside Junger, the Martial houses, Minor Houses and the Navy for actually participating and so will be rewarded. Nightshayd on the other hand I believe should be given a planet or two as if they hold Federation territory they could much more easily subdue rebel movements.
Basically if you participated, you get spoils
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>>5891780
The subsidy likely won't be enough. We just conquered another 40-something planets, the Navy needs a cash injection now to begin construction of additional fleets to defend this territory. We're in danger of stretching ourselves thin without that investment.
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>>5891799
In my opinion it will be enough. Given that the spoils (not just loot, but the planets themselves) are being distributed to various noble houses, they will have not just the imperial navy to look after them, but the retinues of the house that inherits them. Not to mention naval capacity isn't entirely determined by the imperial shipyards themselves, we literally just integrated Bullseye, and Hookware is also still around. If the ones who receive a share of the federation territory cannot afford Soluton or Cherry Corp prices, or the shipyards are at capacity, they have plenty of other options.

I just don't want to leave out any of the participants of the campaign, it'd be a shame to spurn Junger or the martial houses. Though my worry would be somewhat alleviated if it were clearer that voting for the minor houses still gave a equal proportion to both of said houses.

I could be convinced to switch from giving a share to the navy to instead giving it to the shipyards. Likewise I don't mind giving a share to the rebel feds, though not the masses.
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>>5891812
If the minor houses are rewarded, Junger and the martial houses would both receive a portion of the spoils but nothing above any other minor house.
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>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>House Junger: After Yannick’s performance on the battlefield, they’ve earned a measure of recognition.
>The Imperial Navy: You’re more than a little biased, but the admirals and captains have earned a kickback.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.
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>>5891759
The tradition set by House Heinrich is that participants get spoils.
>House Heinrich
>House Soluton
>House Junger
>Martials
>Minors
>Rebels

That leaves two plunder for our own shuffling.
>House Nightshayd
Keep the spies well-fed, and it benefits the family. Nepotism is a given in an aristocracy.
>The Imperial Shipyards
They’ll need to rebuild the Federation’s fleet in part. Give them some support.
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>>5891759
>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>House Nightshayd: Your mother’s house and arguably the deadliest force behind the throne, they have done much to earn it.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>The Imperial Shipyards: As critical as they are to your dynasty’s continued reign, they warrant the support.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.
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>>5891765
Major spoils
>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>House Nightshayd: Your mother’s house and arguably the deadliest force behind the throne, they have done much to earn it.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>House Junger: After Yannick’s performance on the battlefield, they’ve earned a measure of recognition.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>The Imperial Navy: You’re more than a little biased, but the admirals and captains have earned a kickback.

Minor spoils
>The Royal Guard: Nobody would begrudge you giving these fools a pittance to do their job correctly.
>The Astronomicon: They could use the funds to improve their training processes, mayhaps by hosting wargames.
>The Rebels: Ex-federals they may be, they fought and bled for the sake of the Empire and ought to be recognized.
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>>5891765
>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>House Nightshayd: Your mother’s house and arguably the deadliest force behind the throne, they have done much to earn it.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>The Imperial Shipyards: As critical as they are to your dynasty’s continued reign, they warrant the support.
>The Imperial Navy: You’re more than a little biased, but the admirals and captains have earned a kickback.
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>>5891759
>>5891818
+1
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>>5891759
I just caught a slight typo here. House Nightshayd is your sister-in-law's house, not your mother's. Even if their constant clandestine stalking can be smothering.
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>>5891759
>House Heinrich
>House Soluton
>House Nightshayd
>House Lochstrum
>The Martial Houses
>The Minor Houses
>The Imperial Navy
>The Astronomicon

Keep our family close and fleets strong
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>>5891759
>House Heinrich: As your dynasty contributed the most to this victory, you are quite entitled to enrich yourselves.
>House Soluton: Your cousins sacrificed much for this campaign and ask that you consider them in return.
>House Nightshayd: Your mother’s house and arguably the deadliest force behind the throne, they have done much to earn it.
>The Martial Houses: What they’re calling Houses Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer, closely allied and practically welded to the throne.
>The Minor Houses: They did a great amount to assist House Heinrich’s campaign on the ground.
>House Lochstrum: You think your big sis could get a lot more use out of riches than most people.
>The Imperial Navy: You’re more than a little biased, but the admirals and captains have earned a kickback.
>Hookware Corp: It’s likely this would defuse any simmering resentment for the throne’s heightened shipbuilding.
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>>5891818

Supporting this.

The unrewarded factions will hopefully reconsider sitting out the next war when they see the money flowing back home.
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Also finally found it. Footage of Otto Heinrich protecting his men from cowardly Feddie tactics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHLBwFzCRZA
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>>5891766
>>5891771
>>5891777
>>5891778
>>5891780
>>5891782
>>5891795
>>5891815
>>5891818
>>5891859
>>5891862
>>5891876
>>5891879
>>5891924
>>5892124
>>5892135
You consider rewarding House Junger beyond its stature for Yannick's contributions and the Imperial Navy itself outside of its noble status, but decide that the needs of the Empire must come first.

The Spoils are distributed as follows:

For its demonstrated excellence and outsized impact on the campaign, House Heinrich receives the gutted remains of the detestable Floreds Corp.

For honouring your alliance and sacrificing many brave sons, House Soluton receives a wealth of refined nanomaterials.

For answering the call-to-arms yet again, the Minor Houses receive a slew of raw resources, quarries (with no atmosphere to worry of polluting) and (overgrown) forests in need of tending.

For their continued loyalty to the ruling dynasty, the Martial Houses receive the fallen Federation's remaining armoured vehicles, and the schematics of their manufacture.

For their closeness to your sister, House Lochstrum receives a vast sum of smuggled credits and now "useless" coins.

For their importance to the Empire, the Imperial Shipyards receive the vast sum of Bullseye Corp's overdue taxes of common alloys and rare resources.

For the work they've done behind closed doors, House Nightshayd receives a boutique selection of luxury manufacturers.

For their importance to future campaigns, the Astronomicon Academy receives the fallen Federation's arms-manufacturing facilities.

Those who fought on the campaign are quite pleased. Now, you must return to the Empire and inform Alby of the good news.

>We'll return to Emperor Albin soon, sometime in the next few hours. I've got to take care of some things in the meantime.
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>>5892221
You are Albin Heinrich, firstborn son of Alphonse Heinrich, first Emperor of his line, and reigning Emperor of the Eternal Empire by right of birth.

Six years ago, you sent your elder sister Angelica and your firstborn son, Otto, on a campaign to conquer the treacherous Federation of Uvarth. Now, they have returned in triumph!

According to the records, the campaign was breathtaking. Once it opened by an ambush from Angelica which shattered the Federation navy, everything else went smoothly. Even the ground campaign was swift and efficient. What's more, the brave men of Uvarth rose in rebellion against the tyranny of the masses! The justness of it all brings a tear to your eye.

However, as Emperor, there are some decisions you must make in the wake of the conquest. Some are considerable, some less so, all demand your attention.

The Federation of Uvarth needs to be parcelled out to proper noble houses. This will merit deep, cautious consideration of myriad factors.

Who should control the territories?

>This is a complex decision, so there are no default options. The Empire currently consists of 70 worlds, 50 from the start of House Heinrich's reign, 20 seized from the Merchant Holdings. The addition of the Federation will yield 40 more stars, more than half of the Empire's previous holdings. Of these 40 worlds, 24 are frontier, 15 are core, and 1 is a jewel almost on par with Mars, Uvarth. If the Major Houses aren't included or feel they are snubbed, relations with them will plummet. Civil wars have been fought over far less.
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>>5892327
So that you can make an educated decision, the House and non-noble territories are as follows:
>House Heinrich has only 2 worlds, Mars and Plutul, but both are prosperous jewels of the Empire. You also have control of the shattered remains of old Earth, an incredible symbol of rule. Your rule has been strict but fair, thus far.
>House Soluton has 5 worlds, all of them core. Notably among the major houses (sans Nightshayd), none of them are frontier worlds. Their rule is distant but efficient.
>House Rothsford has 9 worlds, 3 of them core, 6 of them frontier. Their rule is decadent and ruthless, yet shrewd.
>House Arthen has 7 worlds, 5 of them core, 2 of them frontier. Their rule is perpetual martial law with a veneer of chivalry.
>House De Croize has 8 worlds, 4 of them core, 4 of them frontier. Their rule is inconsistent and lenient, with frequent councils among their nobles.
>House Ustong has 10 worlds, 2 of them core, 8 of them frontier. It has a disproportionate influence among other frontier worlds, as it laid much of the groundwork for colonizing them. Their rule is hardworking and focused on slow, sustainable growth.
>House Nightshayd has 1 world, which is core. Their rule is publicly boring, secretly vicious.
>The Martial Houses have 10 worlds. In further specifity- House Rausch has 6 frontier worlds, House Phillip has 2 core worlds, and House Schafer has 2 core worlds. Their rule is perpetual martial law with no pretenses.
>House Lochstrum has 2 worlds, 2 of them frontier. Their rule is hands-off and distant, though they are welcoming of mercenaries.
>House Talcaster has 3 worlds, 1 core, 2 frontier. Their rule is cautious and paranoid, closer an urbanized Ustong than anything.
>House Junger has 1 frontier world. Their rule is militarized to the point of mania, and has no true civic government.
>House Aboze has 1 frontier world. Their rule is unremarkable, though they have a slavish devotion for the ruling dynasty.
>The other, lesser Minor Houses hold the rest, 9 worlds, 2 core, 7 frontier. Their rule is too scattered and inconsistent to categorize.
>Amasoft Corp and Hookware Corp each hold 1 core world, by dint of their immense wealth and traditional control over them. Their rules are mercantile and heavy-handed, but subservient to the nobility, as is proper.
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>>5892327
Not gonna weigh in on everything, but this seems like a good time to establish some new nobility. We can make, say, 12 new houses, distributing two of the core planets and ten on the frontiers and elevating soldiers who have displayed commendable loyalty and ability. Also, Heinrich should take the Federation's crown jewel. After all, we contributed as much as if not more than any given house, plus we ARE the imperial dynasty: giving this world away could create a base for rivals to our authority, which we absolutely cannot abide.
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I'm at work so I can't post long paragraphs but I think taking Uvarth itself for the crown is resonable, especially if we don't take any other worlds. Give each major House (except Nightshayd) at least one Frontier world here too would be good as the region seems to "border" (in galactic terms) the Vrakaks, and would hopefully have them all muster their forces if they invade again.
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>>5892336
>12 fucking new houses
A-anon, you're speedrunning civil war there
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>>5892336
>>5892338

I don’t have time for a detailed vote but I’m strongly in favor of Heinrich taking Uvarth itself. Will find time to post later.

Also, I’m surprised that Albin hasn’t had the idea to begin terraforming Earth into something habitable again? Obviously this might take centuries, but he could jumpstart the process
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>>5892341
I mean think about it, we just almost doubled our effective territory, and all of these worlds are bordering hostiles. 12 might be a bit much, but I think we should form at least seven or eight
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>>5892341
Nah let that man speak! The only major houses that have actually helped us are Soluton and Nightshayd while the others have been fiddling their thumbs. Arthen may be friendly to us due to our efforts but they haven’t helped, Rothsford helped us in the last war but not this one so maybe they get something, De Croize have been fence sitting this entire time and Ustong we have pissed off because of Freyja. I am fully on board with turning the current minor houses into majors.

Either way I will attempt to make my proposal of distribution soon but I assume all anons can agree we are taking Uvarth?
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>>5892347
*a lot of these worlds are bordering hostiles

My point is that when people's main houses aren't at risk, they don't care as much when the frontier worlds go down. Now put some military men on those planets and we guarantee ourselves a bunch of houses with military skill, personal loyalty to Heinrich, and a deep investment in keeping those worlds in imperial hands
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>>5892348
I think if we want to avoid civil war, it's best to give even the non participatory houses something at least. Plus, having the major houses all have SOME stake in our new frontiers is probably a wise decision. We should ideally focus on giving them worlds that are high in resources that are super valuable but difficult to harvest. They make money, we don't pay for infrastructure, and their cash cows are in a lot of trouble whenever our neighbors start rattling sabers
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Let me take a stab at this...

>>5892329
Heinrich gets 7 cores and the jewel

Soluton gets 3 cores

Arthen gets 1 core

The 4 rest are distributed between the martial houses and one of the minor nobility.

House Junger gets 10 frontier worlds

The martial houses get 3 each

The 5 rest are distributed between the minor nobility. Most martial and loyal with the most war contribution being the guide on who to pick.

Let me know what you guys think. I want to reward those who contributed, giving other major houses something just because they exist would be a mistake and I think it would be worth fighting a civil war to set that precedent.
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>>5892347
>>5892349
We already have minor houses that specialize in martial tradition, give them land in the Frontiers. House Phillip and Schafer have no frontier worlds, give them two each. Same with House Junger, two frontier worlds and one Core World for their service. We have plenty of smaller houses to reward and I don't want to deal with a gazillion new houses existing because of anons autism.
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>>5892354
I mean it's not like we're creating major houses here: we don't even have to really remember the names. The idea here is to tip the balance of power in our faction's favor, inspire loyalty in the common soldiers, and provide security at the same time.
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>>5892356
>tip the balance of power
I.E cause a civil war between us and at least three of the Major Houses that are pissed at us as we blatantly and openly seek to supplant their power by building up the strength of the minor houses. Maybe even some of the Corporations too since we created the space IRS to ensure they pay their taxes fairly. No siree, that plan is stupid.
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>>5892327
Question QM, have the participants themselves made any actual claims? I am Solutons would want some specific worlds, same goes for the martials and minors. Do the other great houses expect anything?
>>5892361
We would win that civil war in a landslide, but I do agree with you though that I don’t wanna fight a civil war yet. Unless we kill Ustong.
Total Ustong Death
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>>5892362
The participants themselves haven't made any hard claims, however, House Soluton would like the core world where they lost half of their fleet and Otto is convinced Heinrich has more than earned Uvarth itself. House Junger feels that it deserves a frontier world but has been too humble to press the matter. House Lochstrum doesn't care for the lands but is eager for further influence. The Martial Houses and Minor Houses are glad to be considered at all, as under Vonduul, there was very little recognition of them.

The Major Houses are watching closely, and expect at least one world apiece, preferably more, as has been tradition. Rejecting them would be a bold statement. With House Nightshayd's agents, you are aware of the strength of the various house retinues.

If you're considering civil war, it bears mentioning their strengths.

House Heinrich has 1 noble fleet and no mercenaries, as they're newly established. It does hold legal control over 6 imperial fleets, which are widely thought of as inferior to and less reliable than the noble fleets.
House Soluton has 2 noble fleets and no mercenaries, as they are too proud to employ them.
House Rothsford has 2 noble fleets and 3 mercenary fleets on their payroll, 1 of which is elite.
House Arthen has 3 noble fleets, which are infamously lethal, and no mercenaries, as they feel it contravenes their martial honour.
House De Croize has 2 noble fleets and 1 mercenary fleet on their payroll.
House Ustong has 2 noble fleets and 2 mercenary fleets on their payroll.
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>>5892374
Nightshayd doesn't have any?

>>5892362
The civil war wouldn't happen immediatly anon. The house will start plotting before anything goed hot and with the Nightshayd we can get the first strike advantage necessary to win it handily.
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>>5892374
dawg who let these retards have this many personal troops? I bet it was the Vonduuls but I thought each house had like 1 retinue, maybe 2.
We are 100% building 3 more personal fleets now.
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>>5892374
there's forty worlds, we can hand them backwaters and still reward the good shit to our actual homies
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>>5892376
No, House Nightshayd has very much pursued cloak-and-dagger, subtle influence over direct strength. It's rumoured that they have spies in every major house. As a son of one of their heiresses, you know the rumours are true. They have the broadest spy network among any of the nobility, though they aren't alone. House Rothsford, in particular, has a wide number of informants.

Many of the nobility have more fear for the blades of Nightshayd than Arthen. They've managed all of this despite disguising themselves as an unimportant minor house. If not for Alphonse's political genius, it's likely House Heinrich would need to be paranoid of their infiltrators.
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>>5892379
Very very good news. A great opportunity to centralize the power in the throne is at hand anons, we should take it.

>>5892353
I'll make a small adjustment and have Junger get 7 and up the frontier planets to be distributed to the minor houses to 8
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>>5892377
In past eras of instability, only those nobles which held large forces survived intact. Every noble house aspires to a retinue to protect and pursue their interests, just as every ruling dynasty has aspired to keep the disloyal nobles under them as weak as possible. It did get very out of hand under House Vonduul, yes.

Especially after Emperor Jukka's grandfather had the coffers of the Minor Houses looted to fund his orgy-feasts and started a tradition of exorbitant imperial taxes. Under that era, a perception of lawlessness led to a revitalization of mercenary culture as well, but they are easier to deal with than house retinues. The largest difficulty in disarming the nobility is that the lineages are paranoid and jealously cling to power, reducing a house to dust to serve as an example might cause another to begin planning sedition out of fear, just as it might embolden them to strike at their own rivals.

Keeping the Empire stable despite the vying houses is a delicate balance. House Heinrich has ruled wisely so far. In particular, the shipyards represent an end to the reliance of the ruling dynasty on lesser nobility. The nobles have kept a watchful eye on the ambitions of your house.

>>5892378
That's very possible.
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>>5892374
We really are severly understrength for a noble house.

My current suggestions as a work phoneposter that can't sit down and properly consider this:
>House Henrich claims Uvarth itself and one, lesser core world
The core world is to be claimed in the Heinrich name, but will actually belong to House Nightshayd so they can expand their influence in former federation territory. Since they like to pretend to be a minor house I think this is a better approach rather then just giving them the eorkd. We can skip this option entirely and just claim Uvarth too if Nightshayd doesn't want more land.
>House Rousch gets one core world (since they have none), Phillip and Schafer get one or two frontier worlds
>House Junget gets at least one world, frontier or otherwise, for their efforts
>Soluton gets their claim and maybe some more for once again dying to aid the Empire
>Every other major gets some land in the frontier and the core, no more than two or three in total per house
House Arthen is the potential exception to this, the current Patriarch hates our guts but the next generation has deep ties to the crown. Solidifying that future relationship is probably not a bad idea.

I'm not against raising new houses, but I am against raising dozens of them. Two or three could be raised from the Fed rebels, but no more then that.
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>>5892394
>just giving them the eorkd
*just giving them the world outright.
What the fuck, phone?
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>>5892394
I was gonna suggest something similar to this. The noble houses that didn't participate get token frontier worlds and less valuable worlds. While the majority is split between the actual participants to reward them. Send an obvious message to the dissenting houses, service begets growth and payment. And paying taxes isn't service enough to warrant real recompense in turn.
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Another factor to the Major Houses I haven't mentioned yet is that the manufacture of warships at scale is a major bottleneck for their forces. They've spent generations scraping these vessels together, while the Empire has begun producing their own fleets outright. At the moment, the largest sources for new ships in the Empire are House Soluton, who handforge a handful of artisinal warships under commission, House Arthen, who make their own designs at a slow rate, Hookware Corp, which has a vast but crude output, and more recently, the fusion of Cherry Corp and the Martian Shipyards, which have exclusively served the ruling dynasty.

Almost every noble house has shipyards of its own, but for the most part, these are small and serve primarily to maintain the fleets they already have. Pressure from Hookware Corp has stunted most past attempts to build shipyards at scale in the past. The recent integration of Bullseye Corp and the Federation shipyards will be a major decision soon, as well as what you decide to do with your dynasty's newfound personal wealth.
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>>5892400
Needless to say, House Arthen doesn't sell to anyone outside of themselves. Their ships are resilient, heavily-armed, and fast, but have little transport capacity, shielding, or comforts for the onboard crew whatsoever, which they view as ideal.
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>>5892329
Here is my rendition of things:

1 / 1 Jewel
15 / 15 Cores
24 / 24 Frontier Worlds

>House Heinrich: 1 Jewel, 5 Cores
We did the most, we got the most. No one is going to argue against this

>House Soluton: 3 Cores,
Obviously, they get the core where they lost their ships at but another 2 because they participated. Make sure one of their cores is the richest among them too.

>House Arthen: 1 Core
The current head hates us but he is going to die soon and his heirs love us, this should be the final nail to make them allies. Also, it will be a massive sting to them since they value honour and being rewarded for nothing is gonna hurt.

>Rothsford, De Croize and Ustong: 2 Frontier worlds each.
I wanna be safe so give them 2 worlds each to appease them. Ustongs worlds though, make they are the closest ones to the border with the raider clans because I hate them.

>House Nightshayd: 1 Core, 1 Frontier
Not only will this greatly increase their wealth and by extension increase their shadowy activities but also it will help quell any democratic movements. By having a frontier world they can keep a close watch in the spaceside and a core to keep watch over the most dangerous parts.

>House Rausch, Phillip and Schafer: 2 Core, 3 Frontier
House Rausch and Phillip get a core while Schafer get 3 frontier worlds. This should be a massive boost to them

>House Lochstrum: 2 Cores, 1 Frontier
Our Sisters house shall soon hopefully become major and with it, our power increases. 2 Cores for wealth, and 1 frontier for outreach.

>House Talcaster: 2 Frontier
Reward people who actually participate

>House Junger: 2 Frontier
Reward people who actually participate

>House Aboze: 2 Frontier
Reward people who actually participate

>Minor Houses: 7 Frontier
Reward people who actually participate

>Cherry Corp: 1 Core
Not only are they our imperial ship makers and have access to the Martian foundries, but by giving them this we can create even more ships!

I think this is fair as the majors get their lip service while those who helped get rewarded substantially. Only thing to say is that if Nightshayd won't take the worlds then give the frontier to the minors and the core to Soluton.

>>5892378
yeah, it seems like Civil War Speedrun is not the way to go until we get at least 1 or 2 more noble houses under our belt. Perhaps its time we gear up Nightshayd? I know for a fact we are definitely boosting up our own retinue count after this and the Imperial Navy is 100% in our pocket but still, shits scary.
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>>5892329
>>5892353
>>5892384
Seeing as Im not seeing a lot of support for a Civil War any% speedrun, I'll switch to >>5892412 though I'd like to make the amendment that the core world given to Nightshayd will have House Heinrich administer it as a front. The frontier one Im unsure about, would they want it anyway?
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>>5892414
if not we can administer it too
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>>5892412
Support
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>>5892412

Phenomenal work, anon - you saved me the trouble of typing up something similar. I will support
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>>5892412
Generally, I support this, but I still like the idea of forming at least a couple of the frontier worlds to commoner soldiers and commanders who showed exceptional feats during the war. Especially in the case of a civil war, but even barring that, it's vital to keep the support of the military. Plus, any amount less than 5 is hard to object to by other factions considering just how many new worlds we have now.
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>>5892414
Most smuggling goes through the frontier reaches. They would be quite pleased to have a spot to monitor criminal and treacherous activity without dealing with the hassle of bribes. Even the most wretched frontier worlds are prestigious to own, as most noble families can barely claim a continent beneath their suzetains.
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>>5892423
Guess we can give it to them and have House Heinrich cover for them there too.
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>>5892412
>Cherry Corp: 1 Core
>Not only are they our imperial ship makers and have access to the Martian foundries, but by giving them this we can create even more ships!
We could probably gift them one core world with Shipyards since we didn't annihilate the infrastructure that much.

As for a civil war, it's poor planning to do it before House Arthen becomes our ally and I'd like to give Ustong and De Croize one final chance to rally when the crown calls for it before they'll be dragged before the Throne of Mars to answer for their disloyalty.

>>5892414
>The frontier one Im unsure about, would they want it anyway?
Yeah we'd have to ask if Nightshayd actually wants any territory at all before we hand them territory. They operate completely different to the other houses so it's hard to guess what they want.

I also think, since we took spoils for ourselves, that we ought to host a luxurious victory banquet on Mars and send out invitations to all Major abd Minor houses to attend. Otto regailing the court with his outrageous war stories, only for Angelica to interject to tell her nephew to stop downplaying his achivements would be great.
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>>5892426
If given the choice, they would prefer House Heinrich administrate the core and give them the frontier under their name. Largely because while they view territory as irrelevant to their blackmail network, there's some worry that the Emperor's wife's family getting nothing openly would cause heightened scrutiny.

>>5892428
House Nightshayd's end-goal has been to embed their agents in the imperial palace and ensure that the ruling dynasty is vulnerable to their assassins as leverage to keep their house secure. As far as that goes... they've already won. Very little changed for them in the transition of rule between House Vonduul and House Heinrich.
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>>5892431
Then do that, but wouldn't them openly owning that world be a warning sign to the people they want to infiltrate and observe?
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>>5892420
Nothing is better than (You)'s
>>5892422
Since the martial houses are getting a big chunk you can consider the common soldier as getting it, not to mention the minors. Besides, we can just say we raised 3 minor houses or however many we agree on to act as wardens of the frontier and they can be part of the minor house loot pool.
>>5892423
Since Otto has been gone 6 years, isn't it about time that he gets married? I think he is getting a bit old now and I want to capitalize on his new found prestiege
>>5892426
Ideally, Nightshayd should be given planets in newly conquered lands to make integration easier, especially if they are ideologically opposed to us.
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>>5892433
It would be... for that specific world. Elsewhere, their agents would be able to work under less pressure as their enemies are by necessity partly focused on Nightshayd's holdings.

>>5892435
It is, yes, that's one of the upcoming choices.
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>>5892221
>House Heinrich: Uvarth
>House Soluton: 1 core
>House Rothsford: 1 core
>House Arthen: 1 core
>House Nightshayd: 1 core
>House De Croize: 1 core
>House Ustong: 1 core
>House Lochstrum: 1 core
>House Talcaster: 1 core
>House Junger: 1 core
>House Aboze: 1 core
>House Rausch: 1 core
>House Phillip: 1 core
>The Minor Houses: 1 core
>Amasoft Corp: 1 core
>Hookware Corp: 1 core
>The Royal Guard: 2 frontier
>The Imperial Navy: 2 frontier
>The Imperial Shipyards: 2 frontier
>The Astronomicon: 2 frontier
>The ERC: 2 frontier
>The ISL: 2 frontier
>Bullseye Corp: 2 frontier
>Ceiblue Corp: 2 frontier
>Loca Corp: 2 frontier
>Cherry Corp: 2 frontier
>Guild Artem: 2 frontier
>Guild Malleator: 2 frontier
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>House Heinrich: Uvarth
>House Soluton: 1 core
>House Rothsford: 1 core
>House Arthen: 1 core
>House Nightshayd: 1 core
>House De Croize: 1 core
>House Ustong: 1 core
>House Lochstrum: 1 core
>House Talcaster: 1 core
>House Junger: 1 core
>House Aboze: 1 core
>House Rausch: 1 core
>House Phillip: 1 core
>The Minor Houses: 1 core
>Amasoft Corp: 1 core
>Hookware Corp: 1 core
>The Royal Guard: 2 frontier
>The Imperial Navy: 2 frontier
>The Imperial Shipyards: 2 frontier
>The Astronomicon: 2 frontier
>The ERC: 2 frontier
>The ISL: 2 frontier
>Bullseye Corp: 2 frontier
>Ceiblue Corp: 2 frontier
>Loca Corp: 2 frontier
>Cherry Corp: 2 frontier
>Guild Artem: 2 frontier
>Guild Malleator: 2 frontier
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>>5889250
>martial urge burning inside because it was the work of a lifetime for you to subdue your own.
>subdude
>Spent this entire campaign cooming over getting to do war crimes
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>>5892336
>>5892338
>>5892344
>>5892353
>>5892394
>>5892412
>>5892414
>>5892418
>>5892420
>>5892422
>>5892428
>>5892451
You ponder long and hard about the ramifications of your choices here. In the end, you reason that while the Major Houses must be pacified, those who bled for the throne on Mars must be duly rewarded.

House Heinrich receives Uvarth and five core worlds. Together, this will catapult your lineage's influence into that which true royalty deserves.

House Soluton receives three core worlds, including the richest of them all, save Uvarth, which is coincidentally also the world where their fleet was cut down by half.

House Arthen recieves one core world, a sedate ocean that should aid their food sufficiency. As they are honourable, a reward for nothing will pain them. This is arguably as much for that admiral of theirs as their house, however.

House Rothsford receives two frontier worlds, in recognition of their past service under Alphonse and status among the nobility.

House De Croize receives two frontier worlds, as a token acknowledgement of their relative seniority.

House Ustong receives two frontier worlds, the most war-ravaged among them, partly to placate those who complain of imperial bias and partly to strain their finances.

House Nightshayd receives one core world, "owned" by House Heinrich to assist in their operations, and one frontier world under their own name, to divert suspicions of subterfuge elsewhere.

The Martial Houses receive two core worlds and three frontier worlds in recognition of dutiful service. Of them, one core goes to House Rausch, one core goes to House Phillip, and three frontiers go to House Schafer.

House Lochstrum receives two core worlds and one frontier world, in a bone to your older sister and to spite the old-money which would see your bloodline isolated.

House Talcaster, House Junger, and House Aboze receive six frontier worlds, two apiece, in recognition of their loyalty to the throne.

The Minor Houses receive seven frontier worlds, scattered among them as a reward for their dutiful service to the imperial dynasty.

Cherry Corp, in a slight upset of politics, receives one core world to reward them for their contribution to the campaign and assist in future developments.

Time will tell how this is taken among your noble peers.
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>>5892489
For the formal record:

Territories within the Empire:
>The Eternal Empire: 110 worlds, 3 jewels, 44 core, 63 frontier
>House Heinrich: 8 worlds, 3 jewels, 5 core
>House Soluton: 8 worlds, 8 core
>House Rothsford: 11 worlds, 3 core, 8 frontier
>House Arthen: 8 worlds, 6 core, 2 frontier
>House De Croize: 10 worlds, 4 core, 6 frontier
>House Ustong: 12 worlds, 2 core, 10 frontier
>House Nightshayd: 3 worlds, 2 core, 1 frontier
>House Rausch: 7 worlds, 1 core, 6 frontier
>House Phillip: 3 worlds, 3 core
>House Schafer: 5 worlds, 2 core, 3 frontier
>House Lochstrum: 5 worlds, 2 core, 3 frontier
>House Talcaster: 5 worlds, 1 core, 4 frontier
>House Junger: 3 worlds, 3 frontier
>House Aboze: 3 worlds, 3 frontier
>Minor Houses: 16 worlds, 2 core, 14 frontier
>Amasoft Corp: 1 world, 1 core
>Hookware Corp: 1 world, 1 core
>Cherry Corp: 1 world, 1 core
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>>5891609
Was there a federalist interlude I missed?
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>>5892491
You're rather relieved to have that weight off of your shoulders. Now, you can turn your attention to the matter of the celebrations! Of course, the admiralty and generals have yet to be debriefed from the campaign, which gives you a valuable window of opportunity to prepare. You note that Angelica and Otto have done exceptionally well. Earlier, you had a brief conversation with one of the armada's attaches, a distant cousin to admiral Scott, of House Phillips' fame.

"So you're saying that she executed an ambush? Against a force half the size of her own, deep in hostile territory?"

"Yes, your majesty. There were no casualties."

"None? S-Surely you jest?"

"No, your majesty."

"But... the entire Federal navy was- uh, destroyed?"

"Yes, your majesty. That is correct."

"I see. And there were no losses on the campaign?"

"No, your majesty. House Soluton suffered forty-seven percent losses against a flak battery, and the imperial navy and mercenaries were scratched during the final assault."

"I-... I understand that, but... but how did the ground war go?"
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>>5892516
"It was a meatgrinder, your majesty. More than half of our imperial forces were annihilated against the foe."

"Ach, I expected as much. How are the dynasty's retainers looking?"

"Immaculate, your majesty."

"No, no, I meant after the fighting was over, before reinforcements."

"I had assumed so, your majesty."

"So... You mean to tell me that-..."

"..."

"Casualties were negligible?"

"That is correct, your majesty."

"Ah, they were held in reserve, then! Quite sensible."

"No, your majesty. They were at the frontlines."

"They were... Oh. Is my boy Otto alright? I hope he got a few of the smelly, dumb, feddie scum."

"The imperial heir is at 312 confirmed kills, your majesty."

"3-312!? That's one hell of an estimate, isn't it?"

"No, your majesty. 312 confirmed. Speculation is between 500 and as high as over 9,000."

"I-... S-So, Otto, he... took up artillery?"

"No, your majesty. The imperial heir led from the front in a unit of heavy infantry."

"...old Earth shine on me. I th-think I need to lay down and process this for a moment."

"As you wish, your majesty."

You saw the holo-footage later, the raw, unfiltered imagery prior to the propagandists editing it for advertisements. After Alphonse's example, the trend is solely to improve video quality. It is... intense to see. It appears you've vastly underestimated your son. He's going to make a strong Emperor yet. Perhaps not a wise Emperor, but a strong one. Of that you have no doubt. Your sister Angelica has made your shipyard subsidies nearly redundant and broke the back of the Federation almost before it knew it was under attack. At the very, very least, they would've made your father proud.

They need to be honoured for their efforts!

What should you do?

>Hold a grand feast and invite every one of the noble heads and heirs. The standard for such occasions, nothing too special.
>Name a core world after each of them, so that their names will live on even outside of the annals of legend.
>Create two new symbolic positions for them to be given, so that they'll have always been the first of the greatest.
>Give them whatever it is they wish for, which is in any way reasonable or affordable for you to give as Emperor.
>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!
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>>5892517
>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!

This is an unprecedented victory for our empire. Anything less than everything would be too little
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>>5892509
Not yet, but I'll be writing one soon.
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>>5892517
>>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!
lmao
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>>5892517
>>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!
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>>5892517
>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!
Their efforts have almost doubled the size of the Empire and destroyed one of it's most powerful enemies, both in arms and ideology. This is an unprecedented occassion! Spare no expense!
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>>5892517
>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!

Love Albin realizing his son is basically a space marine on the juice
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>>5892491
I kind of feel like we passed the opportunity to grab a frontier world for the dinasty to try and terraform into a new earth biome, it could have been a magnum opus for Albin and a powerful reminder for humans to experience where they came from.
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>>5892517
>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!
Our son shall herby be named Warmaster of the Empire and our sister Fleet Admiral. In the feast and obvious after-party I assume we will be politicking quite a bit
>>5892528
add that to the paste bin
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>>5892517
Hold a Triumph in the honour of the victors before the grand feast, a ceremony for the subjects to be awestruck by. Call me a Romaboo but Triumphs are awesome.
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>>5892517
>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!
a massive Triumph parade, declaring our son Warmaster, everyone high on victory and convinced it's only up from here, disloyal elements circulating at home - we're going full Ullanor, bois.
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>>5892517

>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!

Honestly this war of expansion was a wild success and everyone should know it
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>>5892517
>>To hell with it! All of the above! A performance such as this has more than earned worthy accolades!

Frankly this makes the conquest of the Corporate Worlds look like a minor skirmish. This really does deserve massive celebration for nearly doubling the Empire.
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>>5892550
>The more Heinrichs there are on campaign the stronger the Empire will become.
One Heinrich could take the empire, two Heinrichs doubled it. What a blessed bloodline.
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>>5892521
>>5892525
>>5892526
>>5892527
>>5892528
>>5892532
>>5892538
>>5892542
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>>5892550
No, this is not enough. Mere pauper's play. They, greatest warriors of the Heinrich line, nay, the Empire, deserve more. All that you can give, and more! In formal acknowledgement of their excellence, you shall resurrect an ancient tradition. The Triumph! Billions will see their march! In this they will be duly rewarded, elevated above and beyond what even their dynastic name has given them!

Such achievements as theirs deserve no less! Then, you'll hold a traditional grand feast and give them titles. Yes. That would be appropriate. You'll name a couple of planets after them, too, only fitting as they've conquered them. Anything else they want as well, which lies within your theoretically limitless authority to give. For once, the courtiers and scholars of the imperial court are equally excited. Everyone is talking about it in hushed breath.

Soon, there will be a Triumph!

>Roll 1d6+2 for the success of the Triumph. +1 [Major Victory], +1 [Happy Empire]
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Rolled 5 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5892561
Oh no?
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>>5892562
Cataclysmic party inbound
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>>5892562
>otto drank too much, wrestled a tank in his stupor
>he won
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>>5892562
In a surprising turn of events, it actually goes perfectly well! There's no hidden terrorists, overbudget spending, or unfortunate flubs from those being honoured. It is simply a glorious occasion, the armada soaring high overhead as joyous soldiers traverse from the starport on Olympus Mons to the very courtyard of the imperial palace. Where you stand ready to greet them!

The entire ordeal takes nearly a month, but eventually, every last man involved with the campaign has the chance to salute their Emperor. It's all caught in holo-footage and quite moving, at that. This is sure to stir tears from dedicated patriots of the Empire for generations to come. Yet another propagandistic victory for House Heinrich! Your father Alphonse, famous director among his many other glories, would've been pleased. The crowning moment of the entire ceremony, albeit, is the very moment you bestow the new titles upon your sister and son.

First, Angelica is dubbed...

>Voidmaster
>Grand Admiral (as she was already one of several Fleet Admirals)
>Blade of the Emperor
>(write-in)

Second, Otto is declared...

>Warmaster
>Grand General
>Knight of the Throne
>(write-in)
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>>5892577
>Voidmaster
This is a better one than fleet admiral
>Warmaster
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>>5892577
>Voidmaster
>Warmaster
And together, they are the Heinrichs!
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>>5892577
>Voidmaster
>Warmaster
Good vibes all around!
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>>5892577
>Grand Admiral
>supreme commander

The warhammer titles would be warmaster or lord solar after the heresy but i don't want them here.
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>>5892577
Phoneposting

>Voidmaster

And for Otto

Write in

Either

>The encroaching extinction

Or

>The death of democracy
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>>5892577
>Voidmaster
>Grand General
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>>5892577

>Otto the Immortal
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>>5892585

Supporting!
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>>5892577
>Grand Admiral (as she was already one of several Fleet Admirals)
>Grand General
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>>5892598
this was me btw
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>>5892577
>Voidmaster
>Warmaster
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>>5892577
>Voidmaster
>Knight of the Throne
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>>5892579
>>5892581
>>5892585
>>5892587
>>5892598
>>5892606
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>>5892646
In sight of the assembled Empire's finest, you declare Angelica to be Voidmaster, and Otto in turn, to be Warmaster! Both are humbled beyond compare. Each could rest on their laurels now and be famous, but that is an impossibility. Both are tirelessly driven to win glory for House Heinrich, to renew the legacy of old Earth! As Emperor, you are grateful to have them at your service. As a brother and a father, you are proud to call them family. They are ushered away, into the waiting hands of their cheering brothers-at-arms. It is truly an auspicious moment, one that shall be noted down in history.

The grand feast three nights later is a less public spectacle, but it is no less important. Because while the Triumph on Mars was for the masses, the dinner in the palace is for the nobles! Everyone who is anyone has attended. It would be no exaggeration to say that a sudden orbital strike here would cripple the Empire for generations. Needless to say, the Royal Guard and House Nightshayd are working overtime to screen, monitor, and secure everyone present.
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>>5892648
Despite the usually sparse feasting hall bustling from wall-to-wall, it is perhaps the safest it has ever been. Before the festivities commence in full, you have a rather unique opportunity to mingle. Every noble head of every aristocratic lineage is rubbing shoulders here, and even some of the most genteel commoners. Naturally, there is a fair amount of wheeling and dealing. As Emperor, it would be remiss not to participate. You estimate you could meet three before your obligations pull you away.

Who do you want to meet first, and what do you want to talk about?

>Grayson Soluton: Your grandfather and one of the most cultured men in this room. He gets a twinkle in his eyes at the sight of you, and always has time for family.
>Ezekiel Rothsford: The type to rob a man blind and make him think he's rich. If you want to talk business, his ears are open.
>Lughan Arthen: In his prime he could've matched Otto, but his prime was long ago. Perhaps you could bury the hatchet.
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
>Mathieu De Croize: Something of a nutter with a fondness for strange artwork. Supposedly brilliant, even for his line.
>Antonio Ustong: A fat, sweaty old man who once hauled cattle and coordinated pioneers across known space. He looks terrified to be here.
>Theo Lochstrum: Your brother-in-law and for all his age and financial acumen, a brute. You have little in common but if you wanted to deal with Zephyr Corp without raising eyebrows, now would be the time.
>Yannick Junger: Apparently, House Junger declared him patriarch as soon as the word got back to them. Huh. He looks to be in a rather excited mood.
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.
>Franklin Aboze: This middle-aged man, with his build and goatee, reminds you somewhat of a weasel. Eagerly hanging onto your every word, truly desperate to serve the throne.
>Vincent: Current CEO of Amasoft Corp and a commoner. Little more than a puppet, but he has the board's ear.
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. Has a goofy grin on his face and is trying to wave you over.
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>>5892650
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. Has a goofy grin on his face and is trying to wave you over.

To be polite and see what he has to say
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>>5892650
>Grayson Soluton: Your grandfather and one of the most cultured men in this room. He gets a twinkle in his eyes at the sight of you, and always has time for family.
Let’s go meet grandpa
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>>5892650
>Gerado Nightshayd

I want to continue the plan of weakening the power of the houses vis a vis the Empire proper
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>>5892655
Could always pull a sun king and make them too vapid to rebel, but you know, don't fuck it up and cause our own french revolution
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>>5892659
Or go like Tenohcitlan and mandate all the heirs be educated int he capitol under the auspicious of the Emperor
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>>5892650
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.
I want to hear stories of Dad, from before he became Emperor.
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>>5892661
Probably a better idea, because the making all of the nobility wastrels backfired really fucking hard cause Louis didn't have the foresight in mind to prevent his successors from also falling into that trap after he bit the big one
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>>5892650

>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.

Always keep your master of assassins happy. We should ask him what HE wants and make it so.
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>>5892650
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.
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>>5892650
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. Has a goofy grin on his face and is trying to wave you over.

Only one activity trying to get us to talk to him at the moment might as welp hear what he has to say.
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>>5892668
If crusader kings has taught me anything it's that your spymaster is your greatest enemy and ally both.
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>>5892650
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. Has a goofy grin on his face and is trying to wave you over.
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>>5892650
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.

We did our dad proud…right old timer?
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>>5892650
>Grayson Soluton: Your grandfather and one of the most cultured men in this room. He gets a twinkle in his eyes at the sight of you, and always has time for family.
Family first.
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>>5892650
Forever late. Oh, well, the distribution of planets went mostly how I'd wish it, I just wish we gave Junger more after not giving them anything from the spoils. Kinda not as fair as we are known for to not reward an acclaimed general extra for the campaign in which his most notable deeds took place. Ah well, service is its own reward, I guess. Still, I would've wanted to give his house one or two of the extra worlds that instead went to us or Theo.

>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
>Mathieu De Croize: Something of a nutter with a fondness for strange artwork. Supposedly brilliant, even for his line.
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.

Maybe have Antonio Ustong assassinated, maybe help Lughan into an early grave, maybe just politely chat with our spymaster to keep up relations.

I wanna talk with Mathieu about a joint effort with De Croize and Soluton to forming that Survey Corps anons were discussing earlier, to explore the Lost Reaches. Maybe a separate institution to maintain navigational charts too, though it could be part of the same body. Or see what could be done to break the era of stagnation our technology has found itself in. Could also see if Edgar De Croize and Lydia are interested in founding a terraforming company, to turn the marginal planets of the empire into verdant worlds.

Was initially gonna vote for Lughan to try and give one last attempt at putting our house's grievances behind us, but I wanna see our father's buddies.
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>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.

Speak to a man who fought side by side with our father.
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>>5892803
Junger did get rewarded, they got the planets >>5892491 here.
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Fun fact: the archive for the previpus thread is at +5 after 211 votes
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>>5892650
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.

Then i suggest granpa soluton and in the end try to patch up things with Arthen so they're on board the next fight.

I would advise against asking the nightshayd to poison somebody at our event since they would either be the most obvious culprit or be branded as incompetent.
Though they probably have something to make it look natural and the palace staff would cover any traces it still would leave a bad taste to an otherwise perfect day.
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>>5892650
>Antonio Ustong: A fat, sweaty old man who once hauled cattle and coordinated pioneers across known space. He looks terrified to be here.
We can joke that if he looks like hems having problems, and our father-in-law makes for good company if he’s like.

But more seriously, if he hauled cattle then he may have something to talk about with Albin, and as pioneers go he may be good to convince on getting support from the ERC. Lots of unique life that can live on newly settled and frontier worlds.

>Mathieu De Croize: Something of a nutter with a fondness for strange artwork. Supposedly brilliant, even for his line.
We can talk with him about expanding the work our mother did in supporting the arts in a way we both appreciate. Perhaps works on natural and alien life? We could make it quite exotic.
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.
Because being Emperor shouldn’t be all business. Spend time with our namesake, reminisce on our father, and see if we can pull in others to keep him company.

Those are my votes in order, though I will flip around as needed if it gets a win for any.
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>>5892650
>Theo Lochstrum: Your brother-in-law and for all his age and financial acumen, a brute. You have little in common but if you wanted to deal with Zephyr Corp without raising eyebrows, now would be the time.
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>>5892650
>Grayson Soluton: Your grandfather and one of the most cultured men in this room. He gets a twinkle in his eyes at the sight of you, and always has time for family.
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
>Albin Rausch: Your namesake, by now old and stooped, crying tears of joy into an empty wine-glass. As a friend of your father, he'd be ecstatic to see you.
Can we get our Father's friends together?
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Here's those Interludes:

Federation Interlude #1
>https://pastebin.com/XM7YBGfS

Federation Interlude #2
>https://pastebin.com/FMAzpRd1

Federation Interlude #3
>https://pastebin.com/sDCj1ecm

Will be updating fairly soon. Today's my day off but I've got to take care of some chores.
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>>5893111
You know, if these were sensible, decent, intelligent human beings I might actually feel bad for them. Too bad they were misguided federalists. AAAAHHHH
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>>5893111
Lost the war rip Bozos!

But maybe we should eventually sign a law guaranteeing some commoner rights
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>>5893111
Angelica reads this stories to her children before sleep
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>>5893111
rip bozos indeed kek. They should get over it lmao no one likes a sore loser.
Also Angelica is based, I will become her biggest simp.
But on another note I wonder how the perspective of things would be for someone in the Ecologist Party. From the looks of things they didn't have many regrets when joining the glorious Empire.

>>5893128
This is one of the main reasons why I wanted to give some of the riches back to the masses. It would've definitely helped against unrest.
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>>5893145
Well on the upside with our newfound prestiege we could easily sign in some laws or whatever but thats for later.
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>>5893149
I'm unsure to what degree that'd be in character given the aforementioned "reflexive distrust" the Heinrichs have for commoners. It may be something for the more pro-commoner Otto to do, if he can pay attention for long enough.
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>>5893161
yeah its stuff for later down the line. Though our popularity and wealth is at its highest right now.
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>>5893180
I believe now is the time to push forward the political reforms we spoke about last thread.

we are massively powerful, popular and rich. it's time to cash in those chips. we may never get a better chance
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>>5893212
Which ones are those? We already passed the Equality Act. Personally, I think I just wanna shore up personal power for the house for safety's sake. I do however want to create some new ministries/departments. Obviously the exploration department but perhaps also a diplomatic office to handle all human-xenos affairs too.
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>>5893212
Remind me what we wanted to do again?
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>>5893118
We're unironically not.

>>5893128
I thought the commoners already had rights. If serfdom is a thing then we gotta get rid of that, at least on Imperial-Aligned planets.

>>5893145
I agree, for instance, what was the experience from one the rebels like?

>>5893161
Albin seems to be even handed enough to consider the wants and needs of the plebs, furthermore, with Otto growing into the administation I can see the Throne pushing for such reform.
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>>5893215
1. Let each emperor select their heir rather than have it automatically be the first born male. This will give us a gameplay advantage in case we roll geniuses like Angelica or Albin's kid that we want to have as emperor.
2. Centralize power. The Imperial army is weak as we saw on the federation war and we don't want to have the threat of civil war constantly looming over us. There are several ways to do this so we can go with what works best but as it stand the noble houses hsve too much power.
3. Commoner rights. This isn't a gameplay thing so much as a narrative thing. There are so many brutal empire games on /qst/ I really want to have a wet with more "good guy" energy. I don't want to be screwing over potato farmers for ten threads.
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>>5893227
>We're unironically not.
From our point of view, anyway
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You spot Albin in the crowd of noblemen, swaying on his feet, tears in his eyes. He may have been born a step above common blood, but he’s as much an aristocrat of the soul as anyone here. The Emperor of billions shares his name and you are proud to.

He spots you coming near and brings you into a sudden, crushing embrace. Several of the Royal Guard start to move but you wave them off with an open hand. The old general is practically family. Even if you can barely breathe. He releases you after a few seconds and while you gasp for breath, he claps you on the shoulder.

“Attaboy! Albin… ALBIN. The man, the myth, the legend. Emperor and General both, HA! Oh, this… this is what I fought for! Lookit all these nobles, starin’ at the floor, tryin’ not to meet your eyes. Things have changed! The Heinrichs… You’re a martial bloodline! STRONG! BOLD! No more politickin’, it’s the STRENGTH that matters!”

You recover and look up to meet his eyes, and you’re by no means a small man. The Rausches are just huge. “Yes, ah, very much so. Otto and Angelica… they’re quite strong.”

He grins. “HELL YEAH! I saw that footage of your boy! They even lemme have the first look at it. By the throne, the way he swung that sword’a his, and that bit with the grenade and the tank hatch! Ohh, it takes me BACK! Reminds me of the dunes of Uzealia, under Vonduul. Five men to our one, and we broke ‘em! Ah, I was strong then. Those were the days the Empire was made. Your father, backing us up in the stars. The man was unstoppable. I just wish he were here to see it now.”

You adjust your collar and swallow. Well into his old age, Albin still has a menacing aura to him. “Actually, Albin, I was meaning to ask you. Could you tell me about my father? Mom never much talked about the rebellion and it’s different… hearing history, than reading it.”

The tears start to well up in his eyes. “Aye. I could do that. Ahh, I remember Alph. Man was sharp, everythin’ about him was sharp, from the uniform to his eyes. Came up from nothin’, ya know, the Heinrichs back then didn’t even have a continent to themselves, but the moment I saw him, I knew it. He had the soul of an Emperor. I saw the man and I knew, he’d die or he’d take the throne, and I’d be right there with him.”

“What’d you want to hear, your majesty?”

>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”
>”Tell me about the rebellion, the final battle for Mars.”
>”Tell me about the time before, his work as an admiral.”
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>>5893243
>>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”


What was the culmination point? What made our father turn?
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>>5893243
>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”
Poor Anna, hope her retirement is going well. I’m sure she’s happy seeing so many grandkids. Oh yeah what about Alphonse’s parents? They alive?
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>>5893243
>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”
When did the man decide to become the legend?
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>>5893243
>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”
I wanna greed but if I must pick one then it will be this one.
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>>5893227
Agreed on getting rid of serfdom if it’s still a thing
>>5893231
I think we gotta change the law to allow female heirs despite having equality now. The imperial army ain’t weak. they did good just took the brunt of the damage but they should be getting better equipment.
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>>5893272
>I think we gotta change the law to allow female heirs despite having equality now.
You mean we don't gotta change it? Otherwise, using "despite" here doesn't make sense.
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>>5893274
Among commoners woman are now equal to men but men still come first when deciding imperial heirs.
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>>5893286
I know, that doesn't contradict my point. I think you mixed two different sentences together into one that doesn't make sense. Something like "Inheritance law is male preference despite the legal equality" and "We gotta change the law to allow female heirs because we have equality now."

I disagree btw. Mainly because "equality" is neither a principle I hold in high esteem nor is ir a principle a royal house should hold at all.
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>>5893243
>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”
I’ll hop on the train with everyone else.

>>5893272
Being able to pick an heir should let us accomplish that. If we have a daughter first we’ll automatically pick her as the heir at first and people will have to accept that.

I am concerned about increased factionalization among our children though. Having only one or two possible heirs limits how much we have to worry about our own house sniping each other. Having everyone potentially in the line changes that.

But given the brilliance of our daughters, I can’t say that risk is enough to vote against it.
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>>5893243
>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”
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>>5893293

I generally don’t have a problem with absolute primogeniture but we should probably only enact this if we have a potential female heir who is a total badass.

In this case we have Otto waiting in the wings here so I’m not sure that announcing a new succession policy is a wise move.
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>>5893243

>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”

Forgot to vote
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>>5893272
Female heirs are allowed already, but the system is still male-preference. Empresses have inherited the throne before, but are rare and face authority issues from deeply held cultural attitudes that we can't just do away with with the stroke of a pen as QM has described before. Still, as it stands, no son =/= no heir. In theory.
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>>5893294
Actually women can rule. It's male preference, not male only. Also making everyone an equally valid heir only increases the chance of inter-familial conflict.
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>>5893298
Im okay with females having the ability to occupy tradionally male roles but it would be the exception rather than the rule. Angelica, for instance, is herself exceptional.

>>5893304
And doing away with those cultural attitudes for the sake of equality is not something I want to do. I'd rather we focus on fairness and justice which are not the same thing.
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>>5893306
In a system where gender isn't relevant, everyone still wouldn't be equally valid. It'd presumably be a system of standard primogeniture: that is to stay, the eldest child of the reigning monarch will be preferred over the rest, and, barring that (and no children of dead kids), it'd move on to uncles/aunts, cousins, etc.
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>>5893293
I think that is perhaps what has happened, but Anna changed the law and despite that, not many things have changed other than allowing the few to make that choice, plus it earned us points from the populace which is always good. I do however find choosing the best heir idea pretty good, but that does bring up a few problems. Mainly factionalism as noble houses may start interfering in an attempt to prop up their own candidate. Plus it will drive the children against each other and I do not want them assassinating each other.
>>5893294
All of ours daughters have been amazing
>>5893298
yeah, probably should keep that in the back pocket for now then.
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>>5893310
They are still equally valid. There would be no inherent stigma against any one of them ruling so long as they were born earlier. Unlike in systems that are skewed toward a specific quality. Primogeniture and ultimogeniture treat all heirs as equal in a line, you just start from one end and move toward the other.

If they weren't valid heirs they wouldn't be in the normal line of succession.
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>>5893320
They are valid heirs, but they're not equally valid heirs. In the same way that some person who's the 17th cousin thrice removed from the imperial family isn't as valid an heir as the firstborn of the emperor.
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>>5893322
That's because he's a cousin. He wouldn't be in the running if there were ANY direct descendants of the current ruler. It's very simple my guy.
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>>5893330
But what I'm saying is that the gap between the youngest child and an oldest uncle is exactly the same as the gap between the oldest child and the second oldest, regardless of gender, in a primogeniture based system. In a world where the oldest daughter is less eligible than the eldest son but more eligible than their eldest uncle, we haven't eliminated the competition, we just rearranged it
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>>5893334
*less eligible than the youngest son
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>>5893334
Except it isn't. Would you like me to draw you a graph? If you have an equal inheritance primo system it functions in blocs. Every child of the current ruler is an eligible and valid heir of equal right to the throne, it just starts with the eldest and works its way down.

Should that bloc become invalid through all of the children dying or renouncing or what have you, it defaults to the next bloc, that being the children of the former eldest child should they exist. Then again down the line.

Should no direct descendants of the current ruler live it THEN goes to adjacent kin. It would start with the next oldest sibling of the current ruler and start going down their line.

You are ONLY valid and on the line if you are in the current bloc, and all of them have an equal and fair claim to the throne. If it is exclusionary, say by having it be male preference, the girls in the line are normally NOT valid. Pay attention to the normally, because that is in function the exact same mechanism as if it were equal standing inheritance, in that women are only valid if the normally valid candidates (male children of the current ruler) are no longer present.

I don't understand what you're getting hung up on? Valid simply means that if it came to them, no one could cite another candidate as better under the pretext of the law. Whether they are better under public perception or capability is outside of the scope.
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>>5893348

>Valid simply means that if it came to them, no one could cite another candidate as better under the pretext of the law.

In the exact same way that an uncle only becomes eligible when all the kids are dead or incapacitated, a second or third born child only becomes eligible once everyone above them is dead or incapacitated. The blocs are arbitrary, it's a big line. There is still a preference, that's what primogeniture means: firstbornism. Our current system doesn't cite women as invalid, it cites them as lesser, which is absolutely not the same thing. If the eldest daughter is willing to kill to be queen in system A, she'll slaughter or invalidate her male siblings in the exact same way that many youngest sons have and will do in a male only system, she won't just give up. If we want there to be less competition, we have to straight up declare that women are fully ineligible, which seems unnecessary and unwise. Doing anything less isn't narrowing the line of succession, it's just rearranging it
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>>5893361
Look man I have no fucking idea what you're talking about or why you're confused. So sure? Okay? Whatever?
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>>5893369
I am almost certain you two are arguing about the exact same thing.
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>>5893397
Probably. It's how autism tends to go kek
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>>5893294
While letting any gender be heirs is key, I also think we should have a Indonedian or Mexica style set up where we can pick ANY noble of our bloodline as heirs (or as a compromise, just any of the kids.)

If a second child rolls god tier stats i want us to be able to pick them. Albin got kinda lucky because he had two nat20 kids but future emperors cant keep being that lukcy
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>>5893538
Basically, an elective monarchy where the Emperor is the only elector.
Or the Roman Emperor system.
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>>5893568
As much as I like the HRE I think we should just keep the current system for now, Otto is a good heir and we can think about switching things up when stuff gets desperate
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>>5893577
When thinsg get desperate is teh exact OPPOSITE of when we should switch things up because if we are in a weaker place, its very easy for the other power players to say "no" or fight us back.

The Heinreich name is solid gold, our forces are some of the strongest in the Empire,we have two war heroes and a living beloved empress, plus a super genius and the allegiance of a master spy organization.
There is no guarantee that if Otto tried to do reforms 40 years from now, that we will still have such solid standing.
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>>5893586
Remember in thread 1 it was said that changing the succession rules would get some of the other houses pissed about it. So it makes the most sense to change the rules at a time when pissed off noble houses pose the least amount of threat to us. Which I would argue is right now where we have massive military power, massive popular appeal and three (to borrow a Civilization term) "Great Figures."
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>>5893586
Anon, changing the succession laws now when Otto is already well known and expected to be heir alongside his new found prestige, fame and adoration is not a good idea
>>5893593
We don’t have massive military power though. We have Solutons on our side and the imperial navy but at worst we will be facing against the personal retinue of the other 4 houses plus their mercs. We would be outnumbered and not by shitty fleets.
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>>5893598
>Anon, changing the succession laws now when Otto is already well known and expected to be heir alongside his new found prestige, fame and adoration is not a good idea
Use that to our advantage. Change the succession laws WHILE naming Otto as our official heir. It not making a functional difference (and piggybacking back off of Otto's fame) will make the reforms go down smoother. And then 50 or so years down the line when Otto picks his heir, he will have the precedent backing him. We can even tie it into the Triumph

"Otto is so awesome even if he was the second son he would be made emperor."

Naming Otto our heir based on merit (even though he technically would be the heir anyway because he is the first born son) is a smoother transition than if the first heir named under the new rules was something more "radical" for their tastes.

In regards to the Noble Houses

>>5893243
QM if we were to measure each Houses current loyalty to Albin what would those stats be?
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>>5893598
Clearly, this means we have insufficient T O N N A G E. To have only a single fleet to our name as a dynasty founded by an admiral is insulting. Perhaps we should invest in the Imperial Navy as well, since it should be loyal to us.
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>>5893243
>>”Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”
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>>5893651
We don't need a fleet, we just need one really big ship. There is certainly zero negatives to this. I can see no way in which this is a bad idea. Indeed this may be the greatest idea since sliced bread.
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“Tell me about the start, when you decided to revolt.”

Albin sighs at your words. “For the “when,” ye’ll need the “why.” The WHY. House Vonduul never had any honour. It seduced and poisoned its way into the throne. It held court with merchants and bureaucrats, coddled the great houses and sidelined the rest. House Vonduul was fat and weak during the years before the revolt, but it wasn’t always. They were cunning. Ruthless. So cruel nobody dared cross them.”

“So it was for centuries. House Vonduul had its way and everyone else was terrified to cross ‘em, but enough time went on, they forgot where they came from. The WHY everyone cowered to them. Replaced their poisons with liquors, and their knives with pipes… Stopped sculpting their flesh and started softening it. They spoiled themselves, your majesty. Spoiled themselves and all their heirs for half a dozen generations. Now, the Vonduuls were a weak dynasty but they were still a dynasty, y’know. They had that inertia behind them, that legitimacy behind all the decadence. They had MARS. You understand?”

You nod your head. “I think so.”

The old general goes to swig his glass, then scowls at its emptiness. “A dynasty doesn’t just disappear. There’s got to be a rebellion, and that’s got to come from somewhere. There’s got to be a spark. Your father had a fire in his belly, started the whole inferno. Nobody knows what it is that drove Alph to make that choice. He said it was the decadence of House Vonduul that drove him, the weakness of the Empire, the risk that old Earth would be forgotten. That’s all true, all of it, but…”
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>>5893701
He looks over his shoulder to be sure nobody’s eavesdropping. Aside from the near-invisible Nightshayd mics on his glass, it’s in the clear, and he’s too old and has had too much to drink to notice them. Your namesake leans in and whispers to you, barely audible. “I think I know what it was. House Vonduul was greedy, and lazy, and weak, yeah. Alph might’ve tolerated all of that but, y’see, House Vonduul was arrogant and merciless! Your father came from a small, poor bloodline. He had that sympathy for the minor houses, he always had and so have you, yeah, I can see it in your eyes. But Jukka… “Emperor” Jukka-”

Albin spits on the floor in disgust. You don’t remark on it, as you share his distaste and he’s one of perhaps a dozen people in the Empire who could do so in the imperial palace without being executed. You listen closely.

“-he didn’t understand that. The dullard was detached from the nobles under him. Had no right to rule and no sense for it, but he was on the throne, that’s how it works. Well, there’s this planet, Licciri, beautiful place-”

You interject. “There’s a very fascinating species of crustacean there.”

The general doesn’t miss a beat. “-right, the emerald lobster, gets to be size of a small boat, like a mouthful of ambrosia-”

Ah, you did it again. “Of course, but do go on. I’m sorry to interrupt.”

He squeezes your shoulder. “You’re the Emperor! NEVER, don’t EVER apologize. It’s a sign of weakness. But as I was saying your majesty-”

“About Licciri.”

“-yes, Licciri, where Alph made those thrice-damn holo-flicks my wife watches every other week. Well, before it was a Soluton resort world, it was jointly held by a couple of minor noble houses. Vonduul wanted it for themselves. Jukka introduced a plague, the Spine Tremors, nasty illness, gets muscles so tense they shatter the vertebrate, to depopulate the place, clear out all of the slums and leave the owners destitute so he could buy it out from under them. Well he did! Plan went perfectly well.”

“Then they went and executed every commoner who’d ever had contact with the infected, had their admiral Zakai Vonduul, last mean bastard left in their line, - now he didn’t die easy-, oversee it. Cleaned out all the plague, yeah, but Licciri’s numbers still hasn’t recovered. Once Vonduul was outta commission, Soluton slipped in the chaos and pressed an old claim of theirs, grabbed the whole damn thing. Didn’t have nothing to do with the sickness, just the classic opportunism, but I think the plague was the last straw for your father.”
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>>5893705
“I knew him at the time, we worked together. When he’d heard, it was like a light went off. Alph went from frustrated with Jukka to enraged. Not like mine, no, a cold, COLD hatred. Didn’t even think about the politics of it. It was meaningless to him. I came to him, all hush-hush, to ask about rebellion, and he told he’d already gotten the thirty-seven of the forty-two captains under him onboard, and the rest vulnerable. He didn’t ask me if I wanted to fight or not. He gave me orders to screen my men and plan a siege on some of the outer Rothsford garrisons…”

“Your father, he was a born Emperor. I was damn proud to have fought for him. Would’ve been proud to die for him, too. The rebellion at the start was one half-strength fleet and around thirty-thousand heavy infantry. By all rights we should’ve been crushed but Alph was a military genius and proved it. The mercenaries sent in were slaughtered with nary a scratch and the imperials sent to fight us saw us in action and turned coat, then and there. That was the start. It was…”

“It was beautiful.” His eyes start to water again, as he looks down at the empty glass. “I… I think I need some more of this... poison, your majesty.” You blink at everything he’s said. This has been truly revelatory. “I understand, Albin. Th-thank you.”
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>>5893708
The old general walks off. There’s still some time left. Enough for two more.

Who do you want to meet second, and what do you want to talk about?

>Grayson Soluton: Your grandfather and one of the most cultured men in this room. He gets a twinkle in his eyes at the sight of you, and always has time for family.
>Ezekiel Rothsford: The type to rob a man blind and make him think he's rich. If you want to talk business, his ears are open.
>Lughan Arthen: In his prime he could've matched Otto, but his prime was long ago. Perhaps you could bury the hatchet.
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
>Mathieu De Croize: Something of a nutter with a fondness for strange artwork. Supposedly brilliant, even for his line.
>Antonio Ustong: A fat, sweaty old man who once hauled cattle and coordinated pioneers across known space. He looks terrified to be here.
>Theo Lochstrum: Your brother-in-law and for all his age and financial acumen, a brute. You have little in common but if you wanted to deal with Zephyr Corp without raising eyebrows, now would be the time.
>Yannick Junger: Apparently, House Junger declared him patriarch as soon as the word got back to them. Huh. He looks to be in a rather excited mood.
>Albin Rausch: On second thought, you want to pull him back and ask some more. Either that, or get someone else to keep the old salt company.
>Franklin Aboze: This middle-aged man, with his build and goatee, reminds you somewhat of a weasel. Eagerly hanging onto your every word, truly desperate to serve the throne.
>Vincent: Current CEO of Amasoft Corp and a commoner. Little more than a puppet, but he has the board's ear.
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. His grin is somehow even wider and he’s still trying to wave you over.
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>>5893712
>>Yannick Junger: Apparently, House Junger declared him patriarch as soon as the word got back to them. Huh. He looks to be in a rather excited mood.
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>>5893712
>Nightshayd
Want to start focusing on domestic power plays.
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>>5893705
>Mentions a planet
>“There’s a very fascinating species of crustacean there.”
I choked on my drink a bit
>>5893712
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
FIrst we talk to him to sort out our new internal plays and then we can do Mathieu to figure out future plans
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A good piece of advice from old man Rausch. Remain just and remember the origins of your dynasty. Martial traning for all future heirs of House Heinrich should be mandated in the future.

>>5893712
>Yannick Junger: Apparently, House Junger declared him patriarch as soon as the word got back to them. Huh. He looks to be in a rather excited mood.
The man of the hour, and likely the hero of the campaign if Otto hadn't stolen the show. Let us hear what he has to say.
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>>5893712
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. His grin is somehow even wider and he’s still trying to wave you over.

Again only one actively trying to talk to us here he may have something interesting to actually say. Also if he is anything like his father he is probably the type of person to take offense over being ignored.
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>>5893761
I always feel bad for leaving goofy people like him out, just tugs at my heartstrings for some reason
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>>5893712
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. His grin is somehow even wider and he’s still trying to wave you over.
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>>5893743
>I choked on my drink a bit
It was very amusing

>>5893761
On the other hand, he also has the gall to demand the emperor.
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>>5893712
>Big Hoss Gus 454th
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>>5893767
Which is further reason to think he is more like his father than just in looks besides nothing wrong with rewarding bravery (even if it's probably out of willful ignorance more than anything)


....also I just really enjoyed the interaction we had with his father last thread
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>>5893712
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.

Need to shore up domestic support
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>>5893642
House Heinrich is the current imperial dynasty and the authority around which (in theory) every other bloodline’s intrigues revolve.

House Soluton are close allies, as the Empire has consistently enriched their lineage and helped their territories reach a preeminent status among the houses.

House Rothsford is cautious, leaning toward belligerent, due to the induction of Bullseye Corp, the sponsorship of Zephyr Corp, and the territories given to Cherry Corp impacting their businesses.

House Arthen is belligerent, as Lughan still lives. Once he’s dead, it’s likely they’ll become friendlier.

House Nightshayd are close allies, as Gerardo holds a deep admiration for Emperor Alphonse and Emperor Albin is married to one of their daughters.

House De Croize is cautious, due to a perceived over-militarization of the Empire.

House Ustong is cautious, leaning toward belligerent, due to the favouritism shown to Zephyr Corp and the upending of their ancient monopoly. Only the marriage between Aurelia and Adam has prevented frustration from boiling over to active preparations.

The Martial Houses are close allies, due to their fanatical loyalty to Emperor Alphonse passing down to Emperor Albin and the recent military improvements of the Empire.

The Minor Houses as a whole have a high opinion of House Heinrich, in large part because House Heinrich was very recently among them, but little leverage on an individual basis.

All of the Major Houses are very aware that you’re attempting to prop up certain Minor Houses and as Nightshayd operatives reason, increasingly paranoid that you’re attempting to centralize power under the throne.
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>>5893712
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. His grin is somehow even wider and he’s still trying to wave you over.
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>>5893851
It seems that we need to win over Arthen and De Croize if we want to win the possible purging civil war. Also if that does happen we gotta airlift Aurelia outta there cause we don’t want our daughter taken hostage
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>>5893851
Seems like he was the support of most noble houses and the ones who don't like us aren't THAT powerful.

I think we need to lock this shit down now. Secure as much power and authority as we can while we have the advantage before any of that slips away.

The head of Nightshayd may not be alive for long.

Ustong is the biggest threat but we can take them down corporately. We have if I recall two strong businesspeople in our family with loyal spouses.

We can either wait for Lughan to die or have him pass in his sleep with Nightshayd help.

Although we don't need to be so outwardly violent. We can just shore up our power so much that the other houses wont rebel because they know they would lose hard.

'Best weapon is the one you never have to fire" and all that.
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>>5893862
OOO I just remembered!
We have a second son!
Marry Otto to a De Croize, marry Carl to an Arthen, hope that Lughan trips down some stairs or slips in the bath soon and we are golden!
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>>5893867
Cut me off if this is out of line OP, but does anyone want to start collecting a list of reforms we would want to see implemented?

>>5893227
>>5893272
>>5893128
>>5893145
>>5893231
Commoner Rights/Abolishing Serfdom


>>5893231
>>5893272
>>5893294
Reforming Succession

I am seeing some vague talk about military reforms but not many concrete pitches so far
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>>5893712
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. His grin is somehow even wider and he’s still trying to wave you over.
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>>5893712
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. His grin is somehow even wider and he’s still trying to wave you over.
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>>5893712
>>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.

We gotta talk to the spymaster.
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>>5893876
I've got a clipboard for ideas and objectives going >>5890899

>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, the spitting image of his father. His grin is somehow even wider and he’s still trying to wave you over.
oh boy, here we go
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>>5893876
What I'm suggesting is less about commoner rights and more about them being economically stable and complacent kek
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>>5893712
>Theo Lochstrum: Your brother-in-law and for all his age and financial acumen, a brute. You have little in common but if you wanted to deal with Zephyr Corp without raising eyebrows, now would be the time.
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>>5893723
>>5893725
>>5893743
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>>5893997
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>>5894234
You frown. You suppose Hookware Corp is technically a major power bloc in the Empire. Best to get this over with than have a headache later. When the Hookware CEO sees you coming near, his vacuous maw beams from scarred ear to scarred ear. He goes to hug you, notices the (very well disguised) Royal Guard and thinks better of it, opting for a handshake instead. His grip is thick and sweaty, enough so you regret not wearing gloves. The accent is so similar to his father's, you wonder if you aren't talking to the same person or if their genes are simply that strong.

"Emp'rah, SUH! Let me just say, I am-ah HONAH'd to meet ya! Now-ah, I know you're a BUSY man, yes suh, so I won't-ah go wasting yer time. Now, I ain't the sharpest-ah tool in the shed, no SUH, but I'm a GUS, I know ships. I make a POINT-ah keeping a close eye-ah on everythang what's comin' 'er goin'. Yer old man, bless 'im, went-ah n' laid down them cherry-red shipyards, now ya got them target vendahs all plump n' propah, n' ye've been givin' me the side-eye ever since ya saw me here."

"I just wanted to say-ah, in ALL due respect, cause ya's the Emp'rah, I ain't STUPID! I see's the writin' on the wall! Yer daddy wanted us gone 'cause we's-ah possible THREAT-ah, n' you's following right in his shoes. Us Guses, we didn't get ta 454 PROUD generations by being STUPID! I just wanted to say, Emp'rah, suh, that we's willin' to play ball-ah. All these nobles? Pardon my Fortunian, yer majesty, but FUCK 'EM! We just want their credits. Keeps us in business-ah, but there ain't no business-ah if the crown's bombin' Tennsey!"
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>>5894264
"Tell me, yer majesty, what do we gotta do ta get an imperial charter n' yer sworn oath we can stay operatin'? Shiny new fleet? Or two? Summa our family experts? Trawlers full-ah dem cold hard creds? Bit-ah sab-o-tage, even? Name yer price, suh! We'll pay!"

The man's forwardness takes you aback. He's asking for the recognition of the crown, a prestigious fortune and solid insurance you wouldn't have them removed in the future. In exchange, he's offered you carte blanche to take advantage of their assets. This merits considerable thought.

What do you want from him?

>A pair of the finest war-fleets they can forge, as specified. This would greatly strengthen the imperial fleet, or better yet, House Heinrich.
>Hookware Corp experts to assist in Cherry Corp's shipyards. They would accelerate the construction of new infrastructure.
>Credits upfront, enough to make or break a multi-planet dynasty. This would do the most for the Empire at large.
>The promise of sabotage, that at some point in the future, they'll undercut your domestic foes. Such a thing would damage their reputation, they must be desperate.
>Nothing. You will not sully your dynasty by dealing with these fools. They'll know their days are numbered.
>...It would be unthinkable, but these men aren't nobles. If you lied to them, you could be availed of their assets and be rid of them in the future.
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>>5894265

>A SINGLE fine war-fleet, as specified. This would greatly strengthen the imperial fleet, or better yet, House Heinrich.

>Hookware Corp experts to assist in Cherry Corp's shipyards. They would accelerate the construction of new infrastructure.

We should get a fleet now and expedite construction of the new shipyards. Better industrial base faster = faster ship production long term. Once the new shipyards are up, we have them start refurbishing the imperial fleets to "Heinrich Standard" quality. We should have our new Voidmaster train up the crews of the Imperial Fleets to the appropriate standard as well.
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>>5894271
+1 God I love Gus
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>>5894265
>>...It would be unthinkable, but these men aren't nobles. If you lied to them, you could be availed of their assets and be rid of them in the future.
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>>5894271
Support
A new fleet for free will do good for the imperial navy but expediting the infrastructure construction is super important considering we are going to be building a lot soon.
Also add
>I assure you Gus, the crown had no plans on decimating your business or your family, but your eager cooperation has been noted.

Was anybody here planning on taking down Hookwire or their family? Where did this come from exactly? Better to assure him we aren’t gonna do anything while also getting what we want, since this basically means we have another corporation under our sleeve. Also we can Gus for specs on fleets he sold to other nobles too which is helpful.
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>>5894290
There were never any plans by any anons to actually get rid of Gus/their corp its just our father refused to allow them to continue selling things to pirates and now with us building our own manufacturing they are starting to get paranoid over the very real possibility of us driving them into irrelevancy/bankruptcy if not disbanding them outright as such are now desperate to get assurance that wont happen.

(TLDR while we aint intentionally going against em all our moves/encounters so far with em have hurt them directly or indirectly so now they think we are out to get em and are desperate for assurance to the contrary)
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>>5894298
I remember we stopped their piracy sales but we also commissioned a fleet from them to, so it’s a bit odd. I’m not saying it’s bad because now we get a free fleet, shipbuilding help and another corp so overall I say Gus is our guy and has earned my respect.
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>>5894290
They're paranoid after the Empire's military reforms and personal shipyards, and Emperor Alphonse's previous restrictions on their business. House Heinrich's closeness to House Nightshayd has also driven him to a slight panic. You haven't made any plans to remove Hookware Corp outright but as a result of their tenuous and, by common blood, illegitimate hold on power, they're even warier than the Major Houses of potential threats. Gus is seeing imminent danger where it may or may not be there. Notably, they've been around for a dozen dynasties and have weathered several attempts to dismantle their Corp, all of which started with external shipyards.

One detriment of keeping Hookware Corp around is that they're a source of warships, in bulk, for anyone in the Empire with the funds to afford them. Granting them a charter would be profitable in the short-term but would make establishing an imperial monopoly on the manufacture of warships much trickier. Most of the houses are reliant on them for now but as Cherry Corp rises, even though it's only manufacturing warships for the throne, they feel their monopoly is disappearing.
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>>5894265
>A deal with the crown would upset the established powers that have faithfully served… but House Heinrich is larger than one position. Steer them towards your sisters for their benefit.
We have a voidmaster who would probably appreciate her own personal builder fleet, and another (whose name/corp escapes me) that is running quite a profitable business. She can make Hookware competitive amongst the others.

They’ll make better use of his offer than we would as an environmentally-focused Emperor, while House Heinrich gains additional power outside of the throne.
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>>5894314
An easy fix to that would be to force Gus to tell us whenever a house wants to buy from him and then we could ‘coincidentally’ have already ordered and thus rendered them unavailable to complete the houses order.
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>>5894265
>>5894323
+1
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>>5894314
>>5894333

As the other anon sorta said an easy way to deal with this is just to make sure that whenever Gus gets an offer they go to us first so we can financially intervene if need be. A majority stake in violence + them actively cooperating with us is just as good as a monopoly on violence in my eyes anyway. (Just gotta make sure they stay decently humbled so they don't try to pull any fast ones on us)
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>>5894265
No update cause it's a tie? If it is, I vote to ask for both. Give us a fleet, technicans and inform us of any house wanting their services.
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>>5893247
Anna's retirement has been quite lavish and she's in good condition for 82 years old. Alphonse's parents were a decently-respected tutor for the admiralty and the last daughter of an obscure lineage, House Starrant, which went functionally extinct due to the death of both of its potential heirs while hunting pirates. They died some time before Alphonse rose in rebellion but after he reached the rank of admiral.

>>5894464
My workplace had some of its water freeze over and I've been helping them out with that. I'm a bit handy with a wrench but it's mostly just been waiting for them to thaw out and an actual plumber to get here. I'll be updating soon. After this there'll be one more round of choices resolving what to do with your plunder, then it'll be back to the Empire.
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>>5894271
>>5894280
>>5894286
>>5894290
>>5894323
>>5894343
>>5894464
You are rather surprised at this. After all, House Heinrich had no plans to threaten Hookware Corp, nor to impose on it outside of barring further involvement with the Reaver Clans. On a moment's reflection, you can see why he would think so. If the Empire successfully established its own shipyards at scale, as it has been, Hookware Corp would be an unnecessary risk to the dynasty's monopoly on force.

By coming to you before the imperial shipyard's capacity can match Hookware Corp's, while they still hold enormous leverage on a political scale, he hopes to win an imperial charter and hedge his family's bets. Duly cautious of the crown, if pessimistic. You opt to take full advantage.

"I assure you Gus, the crown had no plans on decimating your business or your family, but your eager cooperation has been noted."

The Big Hoss dabs the sweat from his forehead with a handkerchief. "Emp'rah, know it might just be politickin' but hearin' that outta yer majesty's mouth is a relief! How can we help ya?" Your response is almost immediate. "Grant us a warfleet and the assistance of your experts in expanding our shipbuilding infrastructure."

His grin is nearly contagious. "That's all? Consider it done!" You shake your head.

"No, not quite. My sisters could use your assistance. Angelica would get much use out of your databanks on the house fleets, and Freyja's fledgling business, Zephyr Corp, would go far with Hookware Corp's backing. In addition, my dynasty would be grateful to be informed of any future business with our rivals."

He puts a hand on the back of his neck. "Emp'rah, that's-ah heavy price..." On seeing your eyes narrow, he stammers out. "N-Now, Emp'rah suh, we's all too happy-ah to pay! There's just the concern-ah dem... con-fid-en-tials. If the houses-ah caught a whiff of it, we'd be in deep-ah. Tell ya what. We give the crown a steep discount-ah on our ships n' we rent my folks to ya, yeah, n' then when ya gives us that charter, so we won't have no problems-ah down the line, it jus' looks like business as usual. The houses-ah won't 'spect nothin' n' we'd be in the clear ta gives ya'll ya wanna know. Won't have no problems-ah helpin' Freyja, neither, she's a real peach n' we've had business in da past."
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>>5894526
Hmm... It seems he's cautious the noble houses will suspect foul play if Hookware Corp gives the throne a fleet and experts for free, so he's offering to sell them at a heavy discount. Further, in exchange for an imperial charter, he'll feed House Heinrich information on his buyers as well as the specifications of their ships, and back Zephyr Corp.

What's your verdict?

>Deal! The small impact on the treasury and signing of a charter is acceptable, as you'll be gaining a war-fleet and their expertise out of it. More important is the information and his promise to back Zephyr Corp.
>Accept the previous arrangement. One war-fleet and their experts in exchange for an imperial charter is agreeable.
>No Deal. Hookware Corp is too treacherous to be trusted, especially now that you've gained the fallen Federation's facilities and all of Bullseye Corp's surviving personnel.
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>>5894527
>Change the deal
If the fleet is too suspicious then change it to the cash gift. Im sure we can cook the books enough to hide this transaction.
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>>5894527
>>Deal! The small impact on the treasury and signing of a charter is acceptable, as you'll be gaining a war-fleet and their expertise out of it. More important is the information and his promise to back Zephyr Corp.
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>>5894527
>Deal, in exchange they also give us the transactions made in the past too
Fleet, expertise, information and Zephyr backing at an incredibly discounted and affordable price? Wonderful!
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>>5894536
>>5894541

Support.

The imperial might come back to bite us in the ass, but that’s why we’re buddy-buddy with Nightshayd - they’ll keep us informed
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>>5894532
>>5894536
>>5894541
>>5894545
This seems acceptable. "Deal!" The CEO is brimming with excitement. You shake on it and Gus grins. "Thank you, Emp'rah, SUH! We'll take care of the bookwork-ah, don't ya worry! Don't lemme waste anymore-ah yer time, yer majesty. Enjoy yerself, ye've earned it!"

At that, he turns and scrambles back into the crowd. It's blindingly obvious to see where he went, with his oversized hat. The atmosphere of the feasting hall is starting to shift. Soon, it will be time for the festival proper. You have enough time to meet one more.

Who do you want to meet third, and what do you want to talk about?

>Grayson Soluton: Your grandfather and one of the most cultured men in this room. He gets a twinkle in his eyes at the sight of you, and always has time for family.
>Ezekiel Rothsford: The type to rob a man blind and make him think he's rich. If you want to talk business, his ears are open.
>Lughan Arthen: In his prime he could've matched Otto, but his prime was long ago. Perhaps you could bury the hatchet.
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
>Mathieu De Croize: Something of a nutter with a fondness for strange artwork. Supposedly brilliant, even for his line.
>Antonio Ustong: A fat, sweaty old man who once hauled cattle and coordinated pioneers across known space. He looks terrified to be here.
>Theo Lochstrum: Your brother-in-law and for all his age and financial acumen, a brute. You have little in common but if you wanted to deal with Zephyr Corp without raising eyebrows, now would be the time.
>Yannick Junger: Apparently, House Junger declared him patriarch as soon as the word got back to them. Huh. He looks to be in a rather excited mood.
>Albin Rausch: On second thought, you want to pull him back and ask some more. Either that, or get someone else to keep the old salt company.
>Franklin Aboze: This middle-aged man, with his build and goatee, reminds you somewhat of a weasel. Eagerly hanging onto your every word, truly desperate to serve the throne.
>Vincent: Current CEO of Amasoft Corp and a commoner. Little more than a puppet, but he has the board's ear.
>Big Hoss Gus 454th: Current CEO of Hookware Corp, in an exuberant mood. Currently accosting random minor nobles to give them a business pitch between mouthfuls of wine.
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>>5894552

>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.

Guys, guys - we HAVE to check in on the assassin master
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>>5894552
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
Keep the right people on edge. Wish we could talk with Yannick though, I've been liking these dialogues.
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>>5894552
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
Fine I guess marriage proposals can be sent through email I guess
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>>5894552
>Yannick Junger: Apparently, House Junger declared him patriarch as soon as the word got back to them. Huh. He looks to be in a rather excited mood
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>>5894552
>>Lughan Arthen: In his prime he could've matched Otto, but his prime was long ago. Perhaps you could bury the hatchet.
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>>5894552
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.

We got to talk to Gus im happy lets go talk to the stabby poision man now.
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>>5894552
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
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>>5894569
Anon they are called in-laws
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>>5894552
>>Grayson Soluton: Your grandfather and one of the most cultured men in this room. He gets a twinkle in his eyes at the sight of you, and always has time for family.
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>>5894553
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>>5894583
You approach the Nightshayd patriarch where he leans against a support pillar, hiding in plain sight. For his advanced age, nearing a century, he's in excellent shape. Only flecks of white in his black hair and thin wrinkles tugging at the corners of his eyes betray that this man has seen more of Vonduul than Heinrich. A subtle smile comes to his lips. "Albin."

You feel quite safe this close to the spymaster. After all, he is your grandfather-in-law. "Gerardo." He takes a long, slow drink of his glass. It must be water. Nightshayd are incredibly professional about their work. In their eyes, a crowded festival like this might as well be a pitched battlefield.

The friendly look on his face says everything.

How should you respond?

>"I was wondering if you could... "take care" of a nobleman, in a way that can't be traced back to the throne."
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
Start off with this, Nightshayd has been the most loyal house bar Soluton and its good to hear what they want, it shouldn't be much considering they have 2 new planets. After though, bring up the deal with Gus before segwaying into what we really want,
>"Keep an eye out for any possible hostility from the more belligerent noble houses (read Rothsford and Ustong)"
This is just what I generally assume we wanted but I kinda lost the plot a bit ago
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>>5894586
>>5894595
Maybe see if Karl can be mentored by him? He has shown a penchant for deceit, perhaps intrigue is his calling.
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>>5894586
Hang on does anyone here actually want someone else dead or are we just talking to him for the sake of talking to him.
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>>5894607
This is very possible and I was wondering if anyone would bring it up. I hadn't mentioned Karl in the default options because Albin isn't inclined to subtlety or intrigue, or opportunities for either.

>>5894614
There was a bit of discussion about having one of the Ustongs assassinated, but talking to him for the sake of talking to him is also possible.
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>>5894552
>Gerardo Nightshayd: Your father-in-law and arguably the most dangerous man in the Empire. If you wanted to slip someone here a slow-acting poison, consider it done.
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>>5894636
Aw shit I should've updated
>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
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>>5894586
Supporting
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
and >>5894607 as well. Training one of our sons is one way of ensuring the continued alliance between the Nightshayd and Heinrich. A good reward in itself with our house now being the largest among them.
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
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>>5894586
>>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
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>>5894586
Can we ask for some stories from the revolt? I am sure grandpa can shed some light on Alphonse in a different lens
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."

Supporting >>5894607 as well.
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
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>>5894586

>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."

Nothing wrong with buttering up our wet works guy
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
>"Keep an eye out on some of the industrialists and the more belligerent noble houses."
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>>5894527
Deal
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>>5894586
>"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well."
>"Keep an eye out on any ambitious nobles, heads of capital, and egalitarian agitators."
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>>5894586
>>5895016
+1
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>>5894607
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"I've been thinking... is there anything I can do in my capacity as Emperor for your house? You've served us well." After all, if not for House Nightshayd, elements of House Vonduul might yet linger.

The spymaster raises an eyebrow, taken aback. "Why... how thoughtful of you." He taps his gloved fingers together, deep in thought. "In fact, yes. There's something you can do. Our family could use more funds for its operations." You tug at your sleeve.

"A grant of credits, you mean?"

He frowns. "No, not quite. Too loud, you see. Establish a makework bureau, the less tangible its focus, the better. Give it exemption from the ERC and leave us an opening to siphon its finances. That would be the best boon for our house you could give."

This is a lot to ask for, but they've done a lot of work as well. "I'll think about it." Gerardo has an easy smile. "Please, do." You scratch at your neck. "Also, there was another thing..." He sips at his glass. "Mm?"

You try to find a way to phrase this. "My boy, Karl. He's shown a penchant for deceit, perhaps intrigue is his calling. Could you mentor him?" The spymaster places the glass, now empty, on a nearby table. "We already have, your majesty."

"Beg your pardon?"

He watches as a servant rushes to refull it. "Oh, he's nothing like your eldest. We tested them both early on. Clandestine, you understand. Otto was always a finer match for Arthen, but Karl, he's a born courtier. It would be a shame to see his talents wasted. Nothing intrusive, we dare not meddle in his trajectory as a potential heir, but we've carefully manipulated events to coax out the best in Karl."

Now it's your turn to frown. "You mean..." Gerardo drinks once more. "Little things. Constructed situations, clear opportunities for subterfuge, injections of suspense here and there. If we stopped today, he would be well-equipped to navigate a treacherous court. A courtesy from my house to yours, and the barest minimum for a grandson of Nightshayd. If allowed to escalate, we could sharpen him into the subtlest kind of assassin. The blade hidden in plain sight."
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>>5895070
You blink and briefly wish you had a glass of your own. "I see... I've recently made a deal with Gus and the houses can't trusted. Keep an eye out on any ambitious nobles, heads of capital, and egalitarian agitators." He gives the faintest nod. "In due course." You ask. "Can you share some stories on the revolt? I'm sure you can shed some light on my father in a different lens." The spymaster stiffens, almost imperceptibly.

"I'm afraid I was sworn to secrecy under House Vonduul." You're surprised. "Even now?" Gerardo closes his eyes. "Even now."

You suppose that's that, then. You're about to continue when there's a sudden bustling in the crowd. Ah! The feast has begun!

Five hours later...

You can barely move, partly due to platters of the finest food the Empire can yield, partly due to navigating the endless maze of handshakes and congratulations. Now, things have quieted down and House Heinrich has been left to its own devices. You decide to give both of the dynasty's war heroes their request.

Angelica's is simple.

"My son Scott just isn't admiral material. He has the genetic markers for it, but they're recessive and he's made for a headstrong captain like his father. At the current rate, his rank'll never be any higher than it is today and he'll retire in obscurity. Can you get him a nice governorship? I've got a hunch he could handle that kind of structure."

Do you grant her request?

>Yes. You'll appoint him a nice, profitable core world to micromanage.
>Yes. You'll take a leap and put him in charge of one of the jewel worlds. (Plutul or Uvarth? You're already in charge of Mars.)
>No. You're worried your nephew would mismanage the house's holdings.

Otto's is more difficult.

"I want twenty years, father. A strong ship, my pick of the house's retainers, and twenty years to go adventuring. That's all I ask. Before I become Emperor, I want to see the galaxy for myself."

Do you grant his request?

>Yes. You think Otto can handle himself wherever he goes.
>Yes, in part. You'll forbid him to explore the Lost Reaches, it's too dangerous.
>No. You don't want to have your son disappear and never hear from him again.
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>>5895072
>Yes. You'll appoint him a nice, profitable core world to micromanage.
I'm sure he'll do well enough to not mismanage it completely.
>Yes, in part.
12 years, on the promise that he'll use his head enough to not die out in uncharted space.
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>>5895078
Support
Jewel world's I want given to direct heirs to manage

Also taking bets now on how Otto is going to die in space
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>>5895078

Support.

Can we have Nightshayd watch over his governorship and make sure he doesn’t fuck up too bad?
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>>5895072
>Yes. You'll appoint him a nice, profitable core world to micromanage.
>Yes, in part. You'll forbid him to explore the Lost Reaches, it's too dangerous.
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>>5895072
>Yes. You'll appoint him a nice, profitable core world to micromanage

>Yes. You think Otto can handle himself wherever he goes.
This is stupid but if he doesn't get his wish he'll find even stupider ways to do it
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>>5895072
>Yes. You'll appoint him a nice, profitable core world to micromanage.

>Yes. You think Otto can handle himself wherever he goes.

We've got some reforms and diplomacy to work through before we kick the bucket or are ready to start off the next campaign anyways. I kinda wish we took the money from Gus instead of the shipyard expertise, since Hookware's cheap design ethos may clash with what we demand of Cherry, and we just spend a ton of the treasury on stuff before the Uvarth campaign iirc. Now we'll probably have to spend a decade or more finding ways to rebuild the treasury before the next series of big spends comes along.

Since our heir isn't a woman we can afford to have Otto wander about for 20 years instead of getting married immediately and pumping out babies before menopause.
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>>5895072
>Ask Angelica if he should have a core world or if we should barter with some minor houses for a frontier world temporarily. Would the latter stoke his ambition more?
Angelica started from the bottom. We went to a death world and killed bugs with other kids. Should he start spend 5-10 years in the frontier to work his way up normally?

We don’t have any frontier worlds ourself to offer so I’m willing to do a core world if she says no, but if she thinks it’ll give her son something to work towards then we can pull strings start him off “properly”.

>Yes, in part. Return every 2 years to a civilized world at least. If we die before then he will need to take over.
>By the 10-year mark, we’d like to see some candidates for his wife. His own line should start sooner than 20 years from now, and all that adventuring should let him find someone who can keep up with or ground him.
We were allowed our to make our “mark” when we were a kid. I’ll carry that on until it bites us.

But he can’t be inaccessible, our own father was killed very suddenly. We may suffer the same fate. He also needs to consider continuing the line in some way during that time given the duration of it. If we already arranged his marriage (I don’t think we did) then disregard my second statement.
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>>5895072
This >>5895140, I like the thoughtfulness.
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>>5895078
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You deem their requests to be reasonable enough.

To your sister, you decree- "I'll have Scott appointed as governor of Angelica, the uh... planet. He should have no trouble managing its fisheries and turbines."

This delights the Empire's Voidmaster. "Thanks, Alby. It means the galaxy to me."

You have second thoughts, however. "Are you sure he shouldn't start with a frontier planet and work his way up? That might stoke his ambition more." She laughs. "He's in his forties, Alby. I think it's safe to say his ambition's hit its limits." Fair enough, you suppose.

To your son, you decree- "Twelve years, on the promise you use your head enough to not die out in uncharted space."

The Empire's Warmaster nods. "You have my word I will survive, father."

You're somewhat worried, still. "Please, come back from time to time. Don't be inaccessible. Remember that your grandfather died suddenly, and so could you."

He gets a grim look on his face. "...You have my word." It appears that he's displeased but bound by filial piety. So be it.

You're reassured by both, even if you are wary of the potential failure of either. A group of Nightshayd agents will need to be assigned to keep a close eye on Scott, to ensure he does his duties well. There's no helping Otto but he's given you no reason to doubt his martial prowess.

The rest of the night is unremarkable.
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>>5895170
Come the next day, you have an entire lump of things to worry about. All of them are good, mind, but they merit the Emperor's personal attention.

After the campaign against the Federation, House Heinrich has received a vast quantity of industrial facilities. Pilfered from the remains of Floreds Corp, it has been a great boost to the personal wealth of House Heinrich. As any noble knows, if generational wealth is to be kept, it must be invested.

What should be done with the Corp(se)?

>Sell it to House Soluton in exchange for another fleet, worthy of House Heinrich. It's difficult to determine what they would do with the Corp(se), but your cousins would doubtless be pleased.
>Lease it to the highest bidder, for a constant flow of funds. This would be nothing on the Empire's scale but would allow your dynasty to cover its own expenses.
>Grant it to Zephyr Corp and more than double its operations. Such a grant would guarantee their success and render them a major Corp, and quite grateful at that.
>Take direct control of it to better enrich House Heinrich. Getting a return on investment would be a gamble and running a Corp would earn the chagrin of the houses, but if successful, this would do the most for House Heinrich's personal power.
The recent induction of Bullseye Corp into the Empire has drawn a bit of controversy. On one hand, they've retained their shipyards and expertise. On the other, under the Empire's law they're incapable of acting without your permission.

What should be done with Bullseye Corp going forward?

>Plunder Bullseye Corp. As your sister failed to do so, the responsibility falls into your hands. This will displease the Corps, though Bullseye Corp will no longer exist and Cherry Corp will be delighted.
>Merge Bullseye Corp. Their expertise is too valuable to squander, so their shipbuilding side will be merged with Cherry Corp. This is certain to frustrate Bullseye Corp but they'll be unable to contest your judgement.
>Ignore Bullseye Corp. By doing nothing, the throne will annoy Bullseye Corp and push them into Cherry Corp's hands. After all, their shipwrights will have nowhere else to turn for employment.
>Contract Bullseye Corp. Different perspectives approaching the same problems can only lead to more solutions. They'll receive the same terms as Cherry Corp and be in competition with one another.
>License Bullseye Corp. They'll be granted the right to manufacture ships for buyers within the Empire. Of course, they've done nothing to earn it and this is likely to enrage Cherry Corp.
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>>5895172
House Heinrich's recent acquisition of worlds has more than tripled its territory. The usual logistical concerns are compounded by the fact that these new holdings all recently-conquered, formerly democratic worlds.

How should House Heinrich govern its territories?

>Rule with a gentle touch. The commoners yearn for freedom that will only hurt them in the end, but they are your subjects and you'll see them become loyal yet. Focus on improving the masses' livelihoods and resolving their concerns.
>Rule as it has been. The laws are strict but fair, in that they apply to everyone and bias is kept to a minimum. Nobles are privileged, as their venerable bloodlines should be, but commoners are the Empire's foundation. Focus on enriching House Heinrich and retaining stability.
>Rule with an iron fist. The worlds beneath your lineage must be tempered and cleansed of weakness. Conscription will be instituted, cities fortified, and the gene-lines of the masses cautiously planned, to ensure a strong and vigorous tomorrow. Focus on strengthening the territories and future potential.

Last but not least is the matter of Harold. According to Angelica, the humble admiral performed exceptionally well and the broad consensus is that he was born a commoner by mistake. Several of the houses are lined up with adoption offers but as Emperor, you've been given the first crack at it, should you wish. He himself knows nothing of this and after the Triumph, quickly returned to his duties and asked for no further compensation.

Should House Heinrich adopt Harold?

>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.
>No. His past service has been impeccable but it would be a disservice to the dynasty to overlook his lowly origins. If the lesser houses want him, they can have him.
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>>5895172

>Take direct control of it to better enrich House Heinrich. Getting a return on investment would be a gamble and running a Corp would earn the chagrin of the houses, but if successful, this would do the most for House Heinrich's personal power.

>Take over Bullseye corp directly.

Time to ensure that Heinrich has the muscle and wealth to hold the throne. Why build up a corp when we can directly assume control of a functional one already at our mercy?
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Here’s the other half of my vote:

>>5895175

>Rule as it has been. The laws are strict but fair, in that they apply to everyone and bias is kept to a minimum. Nobles are privileged, as their venerable bloodlines should be, but commoners are the Empire's foundation. Focus on enriching House Heinrich and retaining stability.

>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.

Elevating Harold is a “rags to riches” story that would be a powerful PR. Get this man a reality TV show as he integrates into the Imprrial Family
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>>5895172
>Grant it to Zephyr Corp and more than double its operations. Such a grant would guarantee their success and render them a major Corp, and quite grateful at that.
In return for a majority stake in their company. I want to merge Zephyr and House Heinrich interests while also getting some dividends.
>Contract Bullseye Corp. Different perspectives approaching the same problems can only lead to more solutions. They'll receive the same terms as Cherry Corp and be in competition with one another.
Though I can convinced to change to a merger.
>Rule with a gentle touch. The commoners yearn for freedom that will only hurt them in the end, but they are your subjects and you'll see them become loyal yet. Focus on improving the masses' livelihoods and resolving their concerns.
Though when it comes to crime or insurgents, dish out harsh justice. I want our planets to be as prosperous as possible.
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>>5895175
>>5895186
>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.
Forgot about Harold. Like anon said, good PR and he's proven to be good Heinrich material.
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>>5895172
>Take direct control of it to better enrich House Heinrich. Getting a return on investment would be a gamble and running a Corp would earn the chagrin of the houses, but if successful, this would do the most for House Heinrich's personal power.
>Take over Bullseye corp directly.

>>5895175
>Rule as it has been. The laws are strict but fair, in that they apply to everyone and bias is kept to a minimum. Nobles are privileged, as their venerable bloodlines should be, but commoners are the Empire's foundation. Focus on enriching House Heinrich and retaining stability.
What exactly does a 'gentle' touch mean here? Will it destabilize our standing with the nobility or re-introduce democratic elements? I'd go for proving that we're just as good if not better than the feddies and that they don't need no democracy when the glorious empire is right there to take care of them!
>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.
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>>5895209
If gentle touch means democracy and welfare then yeah change to rule as it has been. I want a post-war economic boom not mob rule and gibs.
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>>5895209
Ruling with a gentle touch means a focus on improving the happiness and supportive infrastructure of the population, over its domestic economy and productive output. Generally, this entails building schools, hospitals, and granting workers more time to themselves. Anything resembling democracy is verboten, as a result of House Heinrich's mistrust of the masses.
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>>5895217
I love the fact that people casually use "verboten" and more often than not know what it means. It's such a silly thing. Very neat though.
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>>5895217
Alright thank you QM!

>>5895175
>>5895209
With the confirmation by QM that there won't be any re-introduction of democracy I'll change my vote in regards to ruling the territories
>Rule with a gentle touch. The commoners yearn for freedom that will only hurt them in the end, but they are your subjects and you'll see them become loyal yet. Focus on improving the masses' livelihoods and resolving their concerns.
While this won't be as efficient as an iron fist or the status-quo, it'll ingrain the dynasty in the hearts of the masses while stabilizing our rule and giving it permanence.

>>5895213
I'm sure there'll be some sort of economic boom, there usually is for the winning side of a war. We did plunder Floreds Corp, so there should be some sort of injection of wealth.
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>>5895172
>Lease it to the highest bidder, for a constant flow of funds. This would be nothing on the Empire's scale but would allow your dynasty to cover its own expenses.

Best option for now - maintain our finances

>Contract Bullseye Corp. Different perspectives approaching the same problems can only lead to more solutions. They'll receive the same terms as Cherry Corp and be in competition with one another.

The more expensive approach (which is why we need the money), but competition is good in terms of end results

>Rule as it has been. The laws are strict but fair, in that they apply to everyone and bias is kept to a minimum. Nobles are privileged, as their venerable bloodlines should be, but commoners are the Empire's foundation. Focus on enriching House Heinrich and retaining stability.

No special treatment or specific punishment

>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.

Marry him to a cousin
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>>5894477
Wait if Anna is 88 now old is our Grandpa Soluton?
>>5895170
Question QM, how is judicial law in the masses? Is there a unified, empire wide legal code or is it per basis by the planets ruling house?
>>5895172
>Take direct control of it to better enrich House Heinrich. Getting a return on investment would be a gamble and running a Corp would earn the chagrin of the houses, but if successful, this would do the most for House Heinrich's personal power.
Literally every other house has something like this those hypocritical fucks
>Merge Bullseye Corp. Their expertise is too valuable to squander, so their shipbuilding side will be merged with Cherry Corp. This is certain to frustrate Bullseye Corp but they'll be unable to contest your judgement.
Keeps Cherry Corp happy, we get everything from Bullseye, and our ship monopoly grows plus we can now build even more ships though I would be amenable to contracting as that will still keep our near monopoly
>>5895175
>Rule with a gentle touch. The commoners yearn for freedom that will only hurt them in the end, but they are your subjects and you'll see them become loyal yet. Focus on improving the masses' livelihoods and resolving their concerns.
They just got conquered, a few years of charity work then we can switch to normal stuff
>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.
Good genes should always be brought in.
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>>5895182
This is true, Zephyr Corp has already received a cash influx from the war spoils and now Gus’s help and the house itself was given new planets.
The real question is when our allied houses are gonna start making their own damn fleets.
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>>5895248
Anna is 82 and Grayson is 119, getting older by the minute. He's frail but the Solutons are long-lived and he may have another decade in him yet.

Judicial law is divided into two parts, common law and noble law. As a result of past rebellions, commoners are entitled to a handful of rights. They're freed from serfdom, can't be forced to swear an oath or sign a contract, and can't be detained or executed without cause. Aside from that, they are beholden to the nobles ruling over them. Nobles are entitled to several rights distinct from their lineage. They can request to be judged by their own house in criminal cases, can refuse to serve under a commoner (in Harold's case, every noble under him volunteered), and cannot be forced into an oath or contract without their house's consent. In general the courts are also separate, with commoners judged under their planet's bureaucracy and nobles judged within their own house.

By default, martian law, a harsh and complex legal code, is the Empire's traditional baseline for planterary legislation but most noble houses deviate from it, some to lessen the load, most to crack down harder on dissent. The Emperor's decree supersedes all lesser laws and is able to adjucate individual cases at will, but revising the current legal system would require a formal edict and could be controversial.
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>>5895260
We gotta make sure to attend the funeral then to keep up good graces. Other than that I think we may need to reform the juridical system but other anons may disagree.
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>>5895172
>Lease it to the highest bidder, for a constant flow of funds. This would be nothing on the Empire's scale but would allow your dynasty to cover its own expenses
>Plunder Bullseye Corp. As your sister failed to do so, the responsibility falls into your hands. This will displease the Corps, though Bullseye Corp will no longer exist and Cherry Corp will be delighted.
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>>5895175
>Rule with an iron fist. The worlds beneath your lineage must be tempered and cleansed of weakness. Conscription will be instituted, cities fortified, and the gene-lines of the masses cautiously planned, to ensure a strong and vigorous tomorrow. Focus on strengthening the territories and future potential.
>No. His past service has been impeccable but it would be a disservice to the dynasty to overlook his lowly origins. If the lesser houses want him, they can have him.
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>>5895172
>Take direct control of it to better enrich House Heinrich. Getting a return on investment would be a gamble and running a Corp would earn the chagrin of the houses, but if successful, this would do the most for House Heinrich's personal power.

Risky, but this is the best for our long term enrichment. We lack assets of our own otherwise. This way we don't have to alarm the corps and nobles in other ways, like purchasing Cherry corp, which would be all the more expensive now that we gifted them a core world. At some point we ought to let them off the hook and sell them a license to produce warships. Or I guess we could retain their exclusivity to maintain a hold on violence.

>Contract Bullseye Corp. Different perspectives approaching the same problems can only lead to more solutions. They'll receive the same terms as Cherry Corp and be in competition with one another.

I want to keep the corps around to compete with each other, drive innovation, distract the nobles, and break up monopolies.

>>5895175
>Rule with a gentle touch. The commoners yearn for freedom that will only hurt them in the end, but they are your subjects and you'll see them become loyal yet. Focus on improving the masses' livelihoods and resolving their concerns.

Just for now, by the time Otto comes to rule we should change it to what has been the status quo for our original territories up until now. Leave a note for the boy on our intentions.

>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.

CK2 minmaxer, go!
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>>5895234
It depends on the conditions my friend. If we were tyrants who wanted to micromanage our subjects' lives then such a boom would be impossible.

>>5895248
More like 0% taxes for a couple of years. Could, however, sponsor orphanages for war orphans both for the PR and for scouting talented potential recruits.

>>5895273
It's good enough in my opinion. The bigger problem is the independence of the unaligned major houses, we solve that issue and everything gets easier.
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>>5895175
>Take direct control of it to better enrich House Heinrich. Getting a return on investment would be a gamble and running a Corp would earn the chagrin of the houses, but if successful, this would do the most for House Heinrich's personal power.
>Take over Bullseye corp directly.
Having these two and potentially merging them will be a boon.

>Rule with a gentle touch. The commoners yearn for freedom that will only hurt them in the end, but they are your subjects and you'll see them become loyal yet. Focus on improving the masses' livelihoods and resolving their concerns.
Like the other anons said this is just until reconstruction is done. We'll go back to what we had before eventually.

>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.
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>>5895172
>Grant it to Zephyr Corp and more than double its operations. Such a grant would guarantee their success and render them a major Corp, and quite grateful at that.
>Contract Bullseye Corp. Different perspectives approaching the same problems can only lead to more solutions. They'll receive the same terms as Cherry Corp and be in competition with one another.

>>5895175
>Rule as it has been. The laws are strict but fair, in that they apply to everyone and bias is kept to a minimum. Nobles are privileged, as their venerable bloodlines should be, but commoners are the Empire's foundation. Focus on enriching House Heinrich and retaining stability.
>No. His past service has been impeccable but it would be a disservice to the dynasty to overlook his lowly origins. If the lesser houses want him, they can have him.
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>>5895182
>>5895185
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>>5895187
>>5895209
>>5895234
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>>5895276
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>>5895348
You determine that for all of its newly conquered territory and imperial grace, House Heinrich has an unacceptable lack of assets. To that end, you take direct control of the Floreds Corp remains. In effect, this has resulted in the advent of a new Corp, owned by and beholden to House Heinrich. Given the Corp's previous scope, the only question is rebranding and specialty. For now, you'll only concern yourself with the former.

What should the new Corp be called?

>Gorilla Corp
>Throne Corp
>Albin Corp
>write-in

You are incredibly tempted to seize Bullseye Corp and integrate it into your own assets, but resolve that they're of more use keeping the nobles distracted. After all, they were formerly part of the Federation. Their existence alone will deflect some of the noble hostility.

Even better, it will keep Cherry Corp from growing complacent. You put them under contract with the same terms. Bullseye Corp accepts and begins work immediately. You're eager to see their eventual product. In time, they may reassure you this was the right choice, or not. You can never trust these commoners...

You opt to rule the newly-conquered worlds with a gentle touch. For now, it is only expedient. In the future, when the sting of the Federation's loss is no longer recent, Otto may resolve to guide the masses with a firmer hand.

You have little hesitation to adopt Harold and wed him to a lovely cousin of yours. Presumably lovely. You wouldn't know, you've never met the woman.

The excellence shown on campaign is more than worth having in the dynasty, and you recognize that nobility is as much an enlightenment of the mind as it is a legacy of the blood. Harold is speechless with gratitude and takes on the Heinrich name with pride. It's heartwarming to see.

Perhaps a rags-to-riches story like this is worth televising for the masses?

>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.
>No! There's no need to risk a flop disillusioning the masses to your dynastic rule.
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>>5895369
>Crown Corp

>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.
A documentary on his life perhaps?
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>>5895369
Finally, the campaign is over and the post-war affairs have been taken care of!

You return to the normal administration of the Empire.

The recent changes to The Ledger are quite substantial.

>The Empire:
>Territory: 7
>Economy: 5
>Military: 5
>Happiness: 3
>Population: 7

Your trusted head advisor is in a jubilant mood.

"The Empire has nearly doubled its territories, your majesty! The only obstacle that remains is the democratic leanings of the masses!"

That is very, very true. At 52 years old, you have a good amount of time to correct such shortcomings.

What should you do?

>Deepen relations with the Osgus. Judging by the mutual sports riots over the last few years and their Slurm sending you a gift of taxidermied beasts unique to Ogu's biosphere, they may be receptive.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. These plants are bizarre, yes, but they are also aware of the importance of nobility, and it is key that you resume a mutual understanding between your species.
>Study another, third alien species. After the Vrakaks inadvertently strengthened the Empire, it may be wise to learn of them. Alternatively, there are a couple of interesting species, the Zuur, in particular.
>Oversee House Heinrich's new Corp. You are no financier but you do have access to them, and can point them in a direction that would serve House Heinrich the best.
>Improve conditions for the masses. This is rather boring but the multitudes of angry Federalists could pose a concern in the coming years if their concerns aren't addressed.
>Subsidize the Empire's Resources Committee. The ERC is your brainchild and arguably the most important contribution of your rule. Their integration of the Ecologist Party (the ONLY democratic individuals you've ever seen with a decent head on their shoulders) has doubled their strength, but they are still far weaker than any one major house.
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>>5895369
>Gorilla Corp
>No! There's no need to risk a flop disillusioning the masses to your dynastic rule.

>>5895373
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. These plants are bizarre, yes, but they are also aware of the importance of nobility, and it is key that you resume a mutual understanding between your species.
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>>5895377
Tough choices here, I would be fine with any of them really. Just remind me, what does the ERC do again?
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>>5895375
>>5895377
Also reposting my first vote for the sake of clarity.
>Crown Corp

>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.
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>>5895373
>tfw can't delete typo
Sometimes I hate the website's format, but that's my own fault for not proofreading. Every now and then, I rush these out to avoid ignoring last minute votes.

>>5895381
The ERC was founded to protect the ecosystems of the Empire from industrial pollution. In practice, it's functioned as a ruthless tax paramilitary (as agency is too bureaucratic a term for what they do) applying pressure to the less scrupulous minor houses. Due to your decision to increase their budget and the Ecologist Party's recent integration into the Empire, they have two war-fleets. Both are made up of civilian volunteers so they're not at all on par with the various noble armadas but they're still dangerous enough that the houses have been subtle about exploiting the wildlife in their holdings. They are fanatically loyal to Emperor Albin, as they view him as sharing their own commitment to the ecosystem. As far as most of the major houses are concerned, they're lower than pirates.
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>>5895369
>Throne Corp
>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.
Will be good for happiness
>Improve conditions for the masses. This is rather boring but the multitudes of angry Federalists could pose a concern in the coming years if their concerns aren't addressed.
We need to improve happiness, economy and military. Thankfully since we doubled our size we won’t be doing any aggressive wars soon other than the eventual defence against the space Skaven so we can work on all of this.
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>>5895396
Ah, nevermind that. I suppose there was a bit of delay there.

>>5895389
Thank you. I always try to factor in every vote and roll for updates, regardless of its format or where in the thread it was posted.
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>>5895377
My mistake, your Economy stat is currently at 4. Note that this is the Empire's finances, it's highly possible for the Empire to be thriving while House Heinrich struggles, or vice versa.
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>>5895404
Wouldn't it make more sense to call it "Treasury" then?
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>>5895377
>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.
New Heinrich family rite of passage: direct a successful film.

>Improve conditions for the masses. This is rather boring but the multitudes of angry Federalists could pose a concern in the coming years if their concerns aren't addressed.
Bread and circuses done now will make an outsize first impression at cracking the propaganda than doing it in reaction to something later or just bringing the boot down. And we might be able to tweak the funding formula to reduce that allocated to houses we don't like so they still have to deal with the petrol bombs.
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>>5895369
>Crown Corp

Best not name it after a specific Heinrich, the corp will outlive the man.

>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.

>>5895377
Huh, the treasury is fuller than I thought it would be.

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. These plants are bizarre, yes, but they are also aware of the importance of nobility, and it is key that you resume a mutual understanding between your species.

Well, anyways, back to cementing our legacy. A trade deal will strengthen our economy, maybe we can get further than we did with the Osgus.

I'm fine with any of the prompts though. Making the masses happy and setting a direction for our new corp sound pretty urgent, but the Grand Bloom awaits!
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>>5895377
For anons who forgot what the numbers mean
1 is brink of collapse, 2 is weak, 3 is struggling, 4 is average, 5 is above average and anything past six is great.
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>>5895377

>Throne Corp

>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses

>Improve conditions for the masses. This is rather boring but the multitudes of angry Federalists could pose a concern in the coming years if their concerns aren't addressed.

We should obviously make a big show of how our government is capable of fast, decisive and effective action - not like the effete democratic bureaucrats under the old system
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>>5895408
Not quite, as it also encompasses the amount of economic prosperity within the Empire's borders. Successful Corps will improve the economy as a result of their growth, but as the Merchant Holdings demonstrate, they're also a potential threat.
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>>5895369
>Crown Corp
>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.

>>5895377
>Improve conditions for the masses. This is rather boring but the multitudes of angry Federalists could pose a concern in the coming years if their concerns aren't addressed.
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>>5895369
>Crown Corp
>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.

>>5895377
>Oversee House Heinrich's new Corp. You are no financier but you do have access to them, and can point them in a direction that would serve House Heinrich the best.
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>>5895072
>He has the genetic markers for it, but they're recessive
Thats not how genes work...
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>>5895175
>Rule with a gentle touch
It's in character for Alby and we don't want to overplay our hand with all this new territory. History is littered with Empires that had territories break off due to pressing too hard (as Vondull saw).>Yes. For a commoner to rise to such heights is proof of genetic excellence. The ruling dynasty will do well to have such stock married into the line. To one of your cousins, most probably. Or even to Erika eventually, if you deemed him truly exemplary.
But make sure whoever he marries agrees to it and vice-versa
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>>5895450
He has the genes for an excellent admiral, they just didn't express themselves in his instance. It's likely one of his sons or grandsons could be an admiral on par with their grandfather or great-grandfather.
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>>5895377
>Subsidize the Empire's Resources Committee
We have a private force loyal to us not tied up in any noble house or company. We need to pump there power up. Maybe make them a full Secret Police/Imperial Gaurd down the line
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>>5895461
replace this vote instead

>improve life for masses
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>>5895461
A-anon...the Royal Guard exists...
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If we're to improve the lives of the masses then I think we can kill two birds with one stone and use our newly acquire Corp to both employ numerous people and to tap into this new market. A focus on demolition, construction and repair maybe?

Could also do that orphanage for war orphans idea I mentioned.
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>>5895461

>Ecological Radical Secret Police
>PETA Secret Service

Why does this idea fill me with fear?
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>>5895369
>Gorilla Corp
>Yes! Following after your father's example, this may delight the masses.
>>5895377
>Improve conditions for the masses. This is rather boring but the multitudes of angry Federalists could pose a concern in the coming years if their concerns aren't addressed.
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Rolled 3, 5, 6 = 14 (3d6)

>>5895378
>>5895389
>>5895398
>>5895410
>>5895416
>>5895419
>>5895428
>>5895431
>>5895468
>>5895558
You are tempted to name the new institution Gorilla Corp, but recognize that most people lack your tastes. To that end, you name it Crown Corp, to serve as a shining example of what... ever, this business's eventual focus will be, is capable of beneath the throne.

You likewise yearn to begin discussion with the fascinating Mukvir, but reason that the needs of the Eternal Empire must come first. More specifically, the ignorant masses must be taught the error of democratic thought. Their homes have been ravaged by the Vrakaks and their own misguided and thus forgivable resistance against the Empire's enlightened rule.

You resolve to give the newly integrated Federal territories a measure of civic aid.

Meanwhile, Karl begins training in the arts of subterfuge directly under Gerardo and his son, Gerardo II.

Otto sets off at the head of a cruiser filled to the brim with the elite veterans he fought beside.

Hookware Corp begins manufacturing your new fleet at a breakneck pace and sends its experts to the Martian shipwrights, who carefully consider their input. They may be upgunned yokels, but they've been in the business for a long, long time.

You decide that Harold is charismatic enough to support a propagandistic holo-flick program and give it your backing. Loca Corp offers to assist and you allow them, as their internal cinematic culture has improved considerably over the last few decades.

This should go well! Or so you hope.

>Roll 1d6+3 for Zephyr Corp. +1 [Financial Skill], +1 [House Soluton's backing], +1 [Hookware Corp's backing]
>Roll 1d6+1 for Civic Aid. +2 [Desperate Population], -1 [Lingering Hatred]
>Roll 1d6+1 for Harold's holo-show. +1 [Loca Corp's backing]

>Don't mind these other rolls...
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Rolled 3 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5895581
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

Rolling for civic aid.

Hopefully some good can come of this
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Rolled 1 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5895581
and action!
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5895581
Harold
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5895581
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>>5895588
Rebellion 2: Electric Boogaloo

>>5895590
Harold should've done what our father did. Corpo films have no soul.
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>>5895590
Never roll again.
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>>5895595
With the statboost its a 3 right? That means slightly below average yeah?
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Rolled 1 (1d1)

>>5895596
just for you, anon
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>>5895590
>>5895588
>Harold's film is seen for the propaganda is is and he's seen as a political placement
>Civic aid is stolen by the nobles and vindicates the population, causing ANOTHER rebellion
>Or worse, some of the nobles are converted to... DEMOCRACY

THE DREAM OF UVARTH LIVES
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>>5895599
no that was a -1 and a +2, not a +1 and a +2
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>>5895588
>>5895590
It’s not that bad, what could possibly go wrong?
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>>5895586
>>5895588
>>5895590
Countdown to disaster. They HATE HAROLD. How dare he succeed where others failed. It's bullshit. It's not fair. Fuck that Harold dude!
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>>5895603
I think he means he rolled a 2, has a -1 which makes it a 1, but then there's a +2 modifier which gives it an end total of +3 for Civic Aid.
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>>5895603
Right. and I rolled a 2.

2-1+2=3
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I again really recommend we push forward reforms asap before rng weakens our positions further. its like cashing out at a casino before the house wins.
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>>5895620
So in other words the aid will be average. Not anything phenomenal but nothing too bad.
I don't think any noble houses are going to be swayed to democracy lmao, that would need a crit fail.
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I can’t believe anons are failing kindergarten math
>>5895623
The house never wins anon, we just gotta roll again
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>>5895586
>>5895588
>>5895590
While Zephyr Corp's funds are slim compared to their preexisting rival Corps, the near-exclusive backing of House Soluton and Hookware Corp goes a long way. Combined with the financial genius of Theo and Freyja working in concert, it proves to be enough to push it over the edge! Zephyr Corp has a breakthrough and becomes a major Corp in its own right!

In lockstep, House Lochstrum has risen to the status of a Major House! They are closely allied to House Heinrich and can afford to maintain their own noble fleet! This is wonderful news, and has greatly strengthened House Heinrich's position.

Even more, at the age of 68, Freyja has achieved her lifelong dream! She stands at the head of a true financial juggernaut! More than that, she's grateful to give back as much to the Empire as she can.

In addition, Zephyr Corp undercuts House Ustong, weakening their influence!

Unfortunately, that's the best news you receive for a good while.

The civic aid for the masses of the Federation is well-received, and helps improve the lives of many commoners. Sadly, there are many, many common lives thar have been ruined by the Vrakaks invasion and the Empire's annexation. It does little to sway public perception, though it does drain the treasury.

Harold's holo-flicks are brilliant! The man is witty, kind, and above all, humble! Even his habitual stutter is endearing! Every noble involved with the screening process loved his work and he swiftly becomes a darling of the houses. It's only after the series reaches the public that the court realizes its mistake.

Apparently, by the promptly-censored critics, Harold is an "incredibly bigoted" "self-hating" "class traitor" and the public consensus is the opposite of what you expected! Many are convinced that Harold is the Empire's ideal commoner, which he of course used to be, before he was adopted by your line, but for some reason, the masses don't agree that he's the ideal example of what they should aspire to be! Many people in the former Federation are engaged and on the verge of rioting! In some places, they even go so far as to actually start burning their own settlements!

Bah! Ingrates! Simpletons! Maggots crawling in the mud! They wouldn't know genius if it hit them in the face! At least Harold's work quickly becomes a cult classic among the people that really matter...
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>>5895646
Otto's returns to imperial space grow more and more infrequent, and he's quite intent on searching the Lost Reaches. He swears he'll be back, but nobody is capable of stopping him from making the attempt.

Long struggling under Zephyr Corp, House Ustong has turned to other methods of financing itself. It's doubled down on the livestock trade and revamped several of its frontier worlds to begin herding cattle. This proves to be a shrewd investment, and strengthens House Ustong's influence once more!

In a stunning show of solidarity, House Rothsford ends its ancient feud with Amasoft Corp! In exchange for a controlling share, Ezekiel Rothsford welcomed the board into his noble lineage! House Rothsford's influence has grown considerably!

According to your informants in Hookware Corp, House Rothsford and House Ustong have both placed orders for a fleet! As Hookware Corp is currently manufacturing yours, they have been put on hold.

That news is... less than ideal.
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>>5895648
In your opinion, The Ledger is looking dangerous. It appears that your fleet subsidies have made a return on investment, this time painted in imperial colours. That's a bit of a relief.

>The Empire:

>Territory: 7
>Economy: 5
>Military: 6
>Happiness: 2
>Population: 7

>House Heinrich:
>3 jewel worlds, 5 core worlds
>1 Retinue Fleet
>Crown Corp

Your trusted head advisor Igor consoles you.

"I loved Harold's Day in the Sun, your majesty! Don't feel bad, the unwashed masses don't know any better! The unwashed masses are also rioting, and I recommend you resolve that quickly, sire."

You are quite flummoxed by the entire situation.

What should you do?

>Deepen relations with the Osgus. If the Empire descends into war, you would do well to have the squids backing the throne.
>Subsidize the Royal Guard. They are important to the dynasty's survival, it's only fitting that they can afford a fleet.
>Subsidize the ERC. They are an unpopular paramilitary, but it's the nobles that don't like them and they're fanatically loyal to you, personally.
>Block everything and start studying a new alien species. Who cares about riots? They'll get over them eventually, but Enthoulian fertility rituals? Now, that is important!
>Push out a propaganda campaign. If the masses are ignorant, it would do well to re-educate them!
>Crack down on the largest riot centers. If the cretins would revolt over Harold's smile, they deserve only death!
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>>5895650
>Crack down on the largest riot centers. If the cretins would revolt over Harold's smile, they deserve only death!
Use Nightshayd tactics to also disappear people.
>Create a program for settlement of military veterans and their families in the depopulated former federation planets controlled by House Heinrich
Threefold benefit.
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>>5895650
>Push out a propaganda campaign. If the masses are ignorant, it would do well to re-educate them!

Also known as the "Remember we have Otto, and he's always ready to kill" strategy
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>>5895653
Supporting this

Pacifying the frontier with military or House veterans is a tried and true tactic of rulers

Our ‘gentle hand’ is rapidly shifting to a fist
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>>5895648
A shrewd play from Rothsford. Unfortunately, I don't think it is something we can let stand. Amasoft's monopolies were only ever tolerated because they supported the imperial house in the past. I think unfortunately the only path forward is putting the pressure on, whether through the ERC or otherwise.

We probably could've used our time at the party a bit better. Made more plays or alleviated tensions rather than reminiscing or ingratiating ourselves with an already firm ally.

While I appreciate the houses making some moves after a long silence, I kinda wish they'd realise we'd treat them fairly if only they actually participated in our campaigns.

>Push out a propaganda campaign. If the masses are ignorant, it would do well to re-educate them!
>Subsidize the Royal Guard. They are important to the dynasty's survival, it's only fitting that they can afford a fleet.
>Subsidize the ERC. They are an unpopular paramilitary, but it's the nobles that don't like them and they're fanatically loyal to you, personally.

We'll make our money back with a trade deal with the Mukvir or something. We better prepare just in case civil war breaks out before we are ready. We can't count on perfect timing.
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>>5895650
>>5895653
Also do propaganda.

>>5895660
Of course, they've commited grave crimes by doing such wanton destruction. The innocent should be protected and the guilty punished.
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>>5895653
>Crack down on the largest riot centers. If the cretins would revolt over Harold's smile, they deserve only death!
>Push out a propaganda campaign. If the masses are ignorant, it would do well to re-educate them!
Nightshayd grabs the ringleaders, total communication blackout prevents coordination or further aggravation, state TV shifts to propaganda mode to calm and demoralise rioters, martial law takes over, gatherings are dispersed with kettling and appropriate force, troops patrolling the streets with riot shields, tear gas and water cannons, looting and vandalism treated as the crimes they are. Tried and true anti-protest tactics, and it should fizzle out rather quickly (unless we roll another 1 that is, which is a possibility with anything we choose to do in the end anyway). Rioters they may be, I'd rather avoid gunning down crowds as far as possible - it's terrible optics and excessive force could be the spark for the unrest to become an outright rebellion as has been seen many times on Earth, and nobody wants that.
Also supporting parcelling out land to veterans from >>5895650, basically settling them with our own loyal people.
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>>5895653
Support
But also
>Push out a propaganda campaign. If the masses are ignorant, it would do well to re-educate them!
Anons, we are gonna have to do something with the Rothsford and Ustong power block there. Looking in pure military terms we are gonna be outnumbered if it’s just us and the imperial fleet. We need to bring the other nobles to our side soon.
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>>5895650
>Create a program for settlement of military veterans and their families in the depopulated former federation planets controlled by House Heinrich
>Push out a propaganda campaign. If the masses are ignorant, it would do well to re-educate them!
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>>5895650
>Subsidize the ERC. They are an unpopular paramilitary, but it's the nobles that don't like them and they're fanatically loyal to you, personally.
We need to prop up our personal forces. The Empire is reaching an inflection point. I think very soon we will have to consolidate power and take out all potential major domestic threats. Having our own secret police is a key first step for that.
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>>5895694
The ERC already has a fleet, it would be better to either make another retinue fleet or one for the imperial guard
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>>5895650
>Crack down on the largest riot centers. If the cretins would revolt over Harold's smile, they deserve only death!

What cretin riots for a film they don't like?
Reestablish order and send agents to look for those who would recruit malcontents during this time to infiltrate resistance cells.


>reform the ERC. They are an unpopular paramilitary, they shouldn't act above the law. rather than enforce at gunpoint turn their efforts into public campaigns aimed to convince the nobles that preserving nature over ruthless exploitation is a sound strategy for the future generations and the noblest of endeavors.
Slip some nostalgic footage of old earth too for good measure.
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>>5895694
I'm not sure to what degree the ERC would make a good secret police force - they're basically a heavily upgunned and fanatical EPA and, while they're totally loyal to Albin, they may not be so close to a successor and this is rather beyond their organisational remit or skillset. House Nightshayd is our de facto Gestapo at this point, but they may not be so close to us forever.
We should establish a brand new Imperial military branch for this, a dedicated intelligence agency/secret police/assassin order by, for and reporting to only the Emperor. Our very own Throne Agents. We can pick our wife's brain for how to go about doing this.
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>>5895705
I think if we do that it will probably piss off Nightshayd and uh well, that’s not a good idea. I do however like the ERC being our attack dogs though. Also, we should do something about the Rothsford spy ring too, since they are apparently pretty extensive.
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>>5895708
Nightshayd having a monopoly on intel in the Empire is unacceptable in the long term, and other houses have successfully established their own networks of agents. No reason we can't do the same, though we don't necessarily need to for now so long as they remain loyal.
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>>5895650
How old is Carl and Erika now?
>>5895713
Yeah, a military intelligence branch is probably a good idea for the long term but we gotta be careful.
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>>5895713
>>5895721
Would Karl be a good start for our own Imperial Intelligence Agency? Something more centralized under the main dynasty?
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>>5895705
What we basically have is a lot of temporary power. I think we need to convert that into permanent power before it expires.

I actually think this unrest can be good for us. After all, fear of a nebulous insurgent or terrorist force is often used irl to claim power in states. (Just ask Sheev)

I think our goal should be taking out the heads of houses Ustong, De Croize and Rothsford in that order and replacing them with loyalists. Once we have the support of the majority of the Noble Houses we can push forward reforms with no resistance that make us "coup-proof". Then even after ties drift from houses Nightshayd and we don't have the appeal of otto or Angelica we will have enough legal political and military might it wont matter.
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>>5895728
As said before, Rothsford agents are gonna be a problem and will need to be dealt with. As for De Croize though, they are entirely neutral so far. It why I wanted to speak to them at the dinner party, so we can force them into our fold via marriage. As of now we have 3 unmarried kids, Otto, Carl and Erika. We can use them to tie up Arthen and De Croize and if that happens we basically win the civil war by sheer numbers.

Also, one of our kids is married to an Ustong, we are gonna need to deal with that.
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>>5895646
>In some places, they even go so far as to actually start burning their own settlements!
Ah, a peaceful protest indeed.
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>>5895650
>Block everything and start studying a new alien species. Who cares about riots? They'll get over them eventually, but Enthoulian fertility rituals? Now, that is important!
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>>5895650
>>Crack down on the largest riot centers. If the cretins would revolt over Harold's smile, they deserve only death!
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>>5895721
Karl is 17 years old and has reached a frightening degree of expertise at intrigue, including a high range of competence in the fields of lockpicking, knife-fighting, and poisoning.

Erika is 25 years old and four years ago, as the riots began to emerge and you were distracted, was wedded (by recommendation of your mother, Anna and wife, Clara) to Ludwig Rausch, an unusually intellectual but by no means less imposing member of that house notable for his orchestral skill at the classical violin. They've had two children, both daughters, and are preoccupied in making marching songs.

While we're discussing ages, Otto is 32 and nearing the zenith of his martial prowess, Albin (You) are 62, and Clara recently hit 60. Lughan of House Arthen, meanwhile, is 125 and clinging to life. Once a character reaches a certain age, I start rolling to see when they die, with an increasing difficulty on each success. Lughan has been at it for three turns now but has been stubborn.
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>>5895879
Praying on my hands and knees that he dies so Karl can marry in
>Marching songs
We all know what it is
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>>5895879
>and are preoccupied in making marching songs.
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>>5895653
>>5895654
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>>5895859
The current riots are unacceptable, but so too are the conditions that led to them. If not for the Federation’s sickening insistence that there’s no difference between the common masses and the esteemed nobility, the subjects of the Empire wouldn’t be making themselves miserable trying to reach heights they were never meant to!

Clearly, the primary problem here is a lack of education. You are no teacher but you are something of a scholar, and can certainly arrange a fitting curriculum. The imperial army is mobilized to put down the worst of the riots, in concert with local noble enforcers. This won’t be enough on its own, so you employ the expertise of House Nightshayd.

Ringleaders are to be found and removed, all unsanctioned communications are to cease, and proper riot-dispersal techniques are to be used to their utmost, with military force as a final, though swift and fierce resort. You put the command of the campaign under Yannick Junger, as he’s demonstrated a suitable grasp of the grand picture.

While they are dealing with the physical phenomenon, the Empire strikes at the dissidents' psychology. Propaganda, both threatening (for those who would defy the throne) and comforting (for those who would kneel of their own volition), is to be broadcast on holo-vision channels. In concert, a new program is released and republicized, repopulating volunteer military veterans and their families to the prosperous worlds of House Heinrich. This is proof that you care for those who serve, as you do, but it is also a means of increasing the security of your territories and reassuring those in the imperial forces.

You consider subsidizing the ERC and Royal Guard to protect your status, but opt to delay an increase in force until you are sure it will be necessary. The apparent preparations of House Ustong and House Rothsford have not gone unnoticed. In the days to come, you must make an effort to mend relations or break their recusant lineages beneath the throne.

Altogether, this should mend the damages caused by the former Federals’ ungratefulness, but...

There can never be any certainty with democracy.

>Roll 1d6+2 for Crackdown. +1 [Famous General], +1 [Spy Network]
>Roll 1d6+0 for Propaganda. +1 [Recent Victory], -1 [Lingering Hatred]
>Roll 1d6+2 for Veteran Resettlement Program. +2 [Generous Terms]
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Rolled 2 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5895897
Crackdown 1
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Rolled 2 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5895897
Crackdown
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Rolled 4 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5895897
Veterans
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>5895897
Propaganda
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>>5895884
>>5895887
Ah shit I wasn't even thinking of that, I've been rolling on an intricate chart for some individuals and got high culture as her husband's primary interest, then extrapolated marching songs from there, as Rausch was the allied house in question. Probably subconscious, if anything.
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>>5895901
>>5895902
>>5895904
What are the odds of rolling 2,2 then 4?
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>>5895901
>>5895902
>>5895904
Well the propaganda was incredibly boring I guess but I think we have the situation dealt with now.
>>5895907
Funny how things work out that way
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>>5895901
>>5895902
>>5895904
>>5895906
The crackdown proceeds well under Yannick’s guidance. The ringleaders are swiftly dispatched and fledgling resistance cells dismantled from within before they can find their footing. If there is one flaw, it’s that the crackdown did little to address the underlying causes of the riots and made a number of martyrs for their wretched cause.

The propaganda falls on deaf ears, unfortunately, and fails to do any more than soothe those who were already at no risk while agitating those who are. Perhaps you should’ve implemented less of Otto’s footage? The plasma mortar into that crowd of militants was very well done but you admit could, possibly, have been interpreted as being in poor taste.

The veteran resettlement program goes excellently! Soon, the worlds of House Heinrich are full of loyal, determined imperial soldiers who take the martial culture of the Astronomicon Academy with them. A few riots do break out, but are broken apart by civilians who take exercising the will of the throne into their own hands! They are, of course, commended. Paired with your house’s recent, gentle approach to rule, this leads to public discontent dropping like a stone in your family’s holdings.

Most of those within the imperial army and navy have started to view House Heinrich’s territories as their eventual home, and consequently, to consider your dynasty as eminently important among the nobility. Not only does House Heinrich rule the distant, abstract Empire, it also rules the prosperous shores they’ll one day retire on, and invited them there!

While the Empire is suffering unrest, House Heinrich itself is spared and the military is as loyal as it ever was under your father. This has given you a brief degree of breathing room.

Hookware Corp assures you that your fleet is nearing completion. Considering that it’s only been half a decade since the deal was sealed, that is quite the rapid pace. Their experts have also helped the shipyards deepen their operations, cheapening certain processes but under Martian oversight, not sacrificing quality.

Lughan... yet lives on. Is he seriously pushing 130 years?
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>>5895930
Everything else notwithstanding, you find that The Ledger is largely unchanged.

>The Empire:
>Territory: 7
>Economy: 5
>Military: 6
>Happiness: 2
>Population: 7

>House Heinrich:
>3 jewel worlds, 5 core worlds
>1 Retinue Fleet
>Crown Corp

Your trusted head advisor is in a chipper mood.

“Excellent work, sire! Surely, the riffraff will think again before they riot again, your majesty!”

Surely, indeed...

What should you do?

>Deepen relations with the Osgus. Their fleet is substantial and they have no ties to the Empire’s noble intrigues. Perhaps they could be worthwhile allies.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. If this unrest reaches a fever pitch and the unthinkable comes to pass, it may be generations before an Emperor resumes relations with them, if at all.
>Oversee Crown Corp. It’s about time House Heinrich’s most substantial fungible asset became specialized to see its needs.
>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.
>Subsidize the Royal Guard. Even if they did fail to protect your father, they are an excuse to get another fleet under your lineage.
>Subsidize the ERC. What they lack in discipline, they more than make up for in ferocity, and that can’t be bought as cheaply.
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>>5895935
>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.
>Subsidize the Royal Guard. Even if they did fail to protect your father, they are an excuse to get another fleet under your lineage.
Continue to get the masses under control while building up our strength. Make sure to get this fleet made by Hookware to further delay the Rothsford and Ustong

Now anons i have realized something very important, we may not need to actually fight the dissidents ourselves. Rothsford are merchants and Ustong has our daughter in it. What I am getting at is we let our sister economically surpass Rothsford and render them ineffectual and our daughter take over the Ustong family. How? A lot of Nightshayd and politicking. The majority of their naval forces are mercenaries which should be very easy to break up.
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>>5895935
>>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.
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>>5895935
>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.
>Subsidize the Royal Guard. Even if they did fail to protect your father, they are an excuse to get another fleet under your lineage.
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>>5895935
>Oversee Crown Corp. It’s about time House Heinrich’s most substantial fungible asset became specialized to see its needs.
We really need to commit a few minor genocides
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>>5895935
>>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. If this unrest reaches a fever pitch and the unthinkable comes to pass, it may be generations before an Emperor resumes relations with them, if at all.
No one else is gonna do it.
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>>5895935
>send agents to check that Lughan isn't extending his life through illegal or amoral means, if you find something to discredit him in the eyes of his allies he's as good as dead.

>Subsidize the Royal Guard. Even if they did fail to protect your father, they are an excuse to get another fleet under your lineage.
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>>5895935
>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.

>Subsidize the Royal Guard. Even if they did fail to protect your father, they are an excuse to get another fleet under your lineage.

These two, but I want to get back to the Xenos soon
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>>5895935
>Your trusted head advisor

Is this the same guy who served our father…and the previous Emperor…?

He’s been around a long time, bit too long dont you think?
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>>5895974
There was a brief mention of the advisor changing at some point also thread im fairly certain , he just kisses asses as well as his predecessor did
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>>5895986
Where at? I'm pretty sure it's the exact same guy unless he happens to share the exact name as our original one.
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>>5895989
Do you think he is called advisor? His name is never mentioned and it was some random point during Alphonses late reign or Albin early reign, it was just chucked in there in one update and neve brought up again, since after they were just referred to as advisor. I could have however hallucinated that one sentence entirely
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>>5895991
His name as established in the first thread is and always has been Igor it's been mentioned multiple times with the latest mention being here.
>>5895650
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>>5895995
I could've very easily imagined it, but I do recall it happening, so eh
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>>5895731
I'm down with whatever plan as long as they are neutralized. Once they are neutralized we can formally (or de facto) abolish the oligarchy and replace it with a centralized empire
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>>5895884
>>5895887
Is this a sex thing?
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>>5895935

>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.

This is probably the best long term solution to the discontent issue. Hopefully we can keep things today long enough for this effort to bear fruit
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>>5895935
>>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.
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>>5895991
>>5895995
Maybe it's Igor, son of Igor, son of Igor, etc. etc.
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>>5896073
I am just scared because of their numbers, remove the mercenaries and the navy alone can bend them. I am sure we can figure out a way to cripple both without firing a shot though.
>>5896074
https://youtu.be/rcVb6l4TpHw?si=Fs_pvi2pelbJNWbC
>>5896204
I always thought he was just immortal
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>>5896204
I'm just gonna assume he is immortal until proven otherwise.
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>>5895935
>Alter the education system. The ex-federals aren’t being taught what the Empire’s subjects know from a young age, and that is a dire oversight.
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>Oversee Crown Corp. It’s about time House Heinrich’s most substantial fungible asset became specialized to see its needs.
>Subsidize the Royal Guard. Even if they did fail to protect your father, they are an excuse to get another fleet under your lineage.
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>>5895936
>>5895938
>>5895947
>>5895951
>>5895960
>>5895962
>>5895973
>>5896076
>>5896090
>>5896262
>>5896342
The Royal Guard failed to protect your father from the Brand Loyalists. That a permanent stain on their record no amount of service can wash away, but you will begrudge them one thing. They didn’t have a budget. You resolve to better fund them. This will have an impact on the treasury but you have little other choice.

That Lughan continues to breathe earns your suspicion. The old man is ancient and still capable of acting as patriarch for House Arthen. Perhaps his methods of age-prevention have gone farther than mere rejuvenation? You consider sending Nightshayd to infiltrate their prime fortress and determine if there’s anything untoward, but if they were caught… House Arthen would lose all trust in the throne.

It's too risky to attempt on a hunch.

Come to think of it, it is rather odd that your trusted Head Advisor, the ever-congenial Igor, is in such excellent condition for his age… Then again, he wasn’t really -that- old when your father took over. It's been what? Eighty years? Hmph… It’s probably nothing.

Probably.

At the same time, while you yearn to understand the Kingdom of Mukvir and take full advantage of Crown Corp, you understand that these are not critical for the Empire. The ignorance of the masses has been a considerable problem, even before the rioting incidents. As Emperor, it is your responsibility to correct the issue and reform education of the population for the better.

What should the focus of the revamped curriculum be?

>Militancy: The population must be drilled and taught discipline, as well as how to serve the Empire in a fighting capacity. This would give the Astronomicon Academy a better starting point for its new inductees, and give the masses a better appreciation for martial hierarchy.
>Loyalty: The population must be unflinching in their dedication to the Empire, all other concerns are secondary at best. This would emphasize not only the inherent superiority of the nobility and the importance of the throne, but also the critical role that is the commoners’ duty and privilege to fulfill.
>Productivity: The population must be capable of not only enriching their noble masters but also fending for themselves. This would instill in every commoner at least the rudiments of a trade, with which to gain employment.
>Erudition: The population must be literate, able to do arithmetic, and learned in the basics of the sciences. This would ensure that the masses are no longer illiterate and grant geniuses among them the chance to show their talents.
>Broad: The population must be well-rounded and capable of conducting themselves in a variety of circumstances. This would entail a generalist approach to the masses that can be built up later on.
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>>5896438
>Broad: The population must be well-rounded and capable of conducting themselves in a variety of circumstances. This would entail a generalist approach to the masses that can be built up later on.
Such a broad institution must be broad in it's general approach though equipped with avenues for specialization.
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>>5896438
>Broad: The population must be well-rounded and capable of conducting themselves in a variety of circumstances. This would entail a generalist approach to the masses that can be built up later on.
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>>5896438
>>Loyalty: The population must be unflinching in their dedication to the Empire, all other concerns are secondary at best. This would emphasize not only the inherent superiority of the nobility and the importance of the throne, but also the critical role that is the commoners’ duty and privilege to fulfill.
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>>5896438
>Loyalty: The population must be unflinching in their dedication to the Empire, all other concerns are secondary at best. This would emphasize not only the inherent superiority of the nobility and the importance of the throne, but also the critical role that is the commoners’ duty and privilege to fulfill.

These scum need to learn their place.
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>>5896438
>Loyalty: The population must be unflinching in their dedication to the Empire, all other concerns are secondary at best. This would emphasize not only the inherent superiority of the nobility and the importance of the throne, but also the critical role that is the commoners’ duty and privilege to fulfill.

The plebs must love the Throne like they love their children

>Hmph… It’s probably nothing.

>Paranoia intensifies

Maybe we should order someone to subtly look into this…

He could be a humanoid android after all? We haven’t really spoken about robots or AI in this quest yet
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>>5896438
>Broad: The population must be well-rounded and capable of conducting themselves in a variety of circumstances. This would entail a generalist approach to the masses that can be built up later on.

Lets not dampen our long term prospects over a short term issue by trying to force a serf mentality on them.
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>>5896438
>>Loyalty: The population must be unflinching in their dedication to the Empire, all other concerns are secondary at best. This would emphasize not only the inherent superiority of the nobility and the importance of the throne, but also the critical role that is the commoners’ duty and privilege to fulfill.
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>>5896438
>Loyalty

i've considered broad but since it would be harder for others to insert loyalty to themselves if the throne comes first by law, as it should, the choice makes by itself.
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>Broad

also I like the idea of putting out relative as head of the rival house. we should press forward on that. By the time Alvin retires or dies I want to see the empire "coup" proofed. that is, set up so we could do literally anything and the bible houses don't rebel (or of they do revel we would be in a position to crush them)

it's good for in universe politics but I also think it will make for a better game if we can vote to do what we like without worrying about a civil war .

If the players want an emperor to have a polygamous plantspouse to personally unify the empire with xenos, by golly I want that to happen. The Empire may not be a democracy but we sure as sugar are.
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>>5896438

>Loyalty: The population must be unflinching in their dedication to the Empire, all other concerns are secondary at best. This would emphasize not only the inherent superiority of the nobility and the importance of the throne, but also the critical role that is the commoners’ duty and privilege to fulfill.

This is the matter at Hand
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>>5896438
>Loyalty: The population must be unflinching in their dedication to the Empire, all other concerns are secondary at best. This would emphasize not only the inherent superiority of the nobility and the importance of the throne, but also the critical role that is the commoners’ duty and privilege to fulfill.
This we need critically more than the rest.
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>>5896438
>Militancy: The population must be drilled and taught discipline, as well as how to serve the Empire in a fighting capacity. This would give the Astronomicon Academy a better starting point for its new inductees, and give the masses a better appreciation for martial hierarchy.
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>>5896446
>>5896459
>>5896470
>>5896473
>>5896492
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>>5896495
>>5896528
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>>5896656
>>5896715
You suppose that a broad education would serve the masses well, but what of the Empire? The population lack comprehension of the place that the cosmos has appointed them. This is not their fault, it is the fault of the greedy demagogues who reduced millions upon millions of disciplined subjects to a disobedient mob!

They must be corrected! The masses must be taught the values of loyalty that old Earth was built on! Every trace of Uvarth must be erased from their minds! You set the monolith of martian bureaucracy in motion. There are multitudes of loudmouth naysayers but with a Nightshayd informant on every corner, they will be silenced. Soon, the commoners will know better, and they will be happier.

>1d6+0 for education. +1 [Spy Network], -1 [Lingering Hatred]

While this is ongoing, the Royal Guard petition House Soluton to construct them a fleet. As they are close allies to House Heinrich, their artisinal shipwrights are eager to oblige for the cost of labour and materials alone. Considerable, still, but quite affordable.
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5896846
I said sit down and BEHAVE
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>>5896848
they behaved moderately
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>>5896881
At the very least they have stopped with the spitballs. The paper airplanes however seem to continue.
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>>5896848
>>5896881
>>5896883
You don't have to pretend.
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>>5896848
To your satisfaction, the former federals do sit down and obey. The new educational curriculum, carefully crafted by the Empire’s finest tutors and approved by yourself, goes without incident. You’re less excited by the results but it’s been implemented for a mere handful of years. It will be generations before there’s a significant shift in the public perception, if ever.

A bold circle of scholars and tutors feel they could do better with more funding. They want to create a new ministry, or bureau, or institution focused on improving education throughout the Empire. They’ve been screened and have no strong noble, federal, or mercantile affiliations, however, you have some reservations. This would have a heavy impact on the treasury and with the private tutors of the nobility, do little to actually assist the higher rungs of the Empire.

What should you do?

>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (What should it be called?)
>Deny the budget. The masses are learning enough to function under the current system and the Empire’s funds must not be spent frivolously.

It has been a decade since the fall of the accursed Federation of Uvarth. Those eyesores Angelica brought back from their capital are still languishing in the depths of the imperial palace. Little more than treasonous knickknacks in your sight, but you suppose they do serve as an example of what not to do.

Should you do something with them?

>Put them on display in a new museum. Really, these relics aren’t more disgusting than some alien species. Might as well edify some of the intellectuals on mars.
>Destroy them in a symbolic ceremony. If the masses are unruly, it must mean they are convinced they can rebel. They must be shown that is not the case.
>Sell them to the highest noble bidder. The Empire is always in need of credits and there are plenty of collectors with more money than sense. Let the market resolve two problems at once.
>Gift them to one of the noble houses. Such a gift would enrage them and likely prompt an uprising, which you could then crush. Unless that noble house were to get lucky, or inspire another to join them.
>Leave them in the basement. They aren’t doing any harm there. Who knows? One of your descendants might need them for some purpose.
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>>5896907
Hookware Corp has finished the construction of your new warfleet! They must’ve really pulled out all of the stops for this. It is some of the finest work you’ve ever seen from their family, almost on par with the shoddier noble vessels. Alongside the techniques the imperial shipwrights have gleaned from their experts, they have done much for the imperial navy.

Big Hoss Gus the 454th is uncharacteristically silent as the new ships are taken to the martian starports, but you know what it is he wants.

Shall you give Hookware Corp an imperial charter?

>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
>Not yet. You want to renegotiate the terms. There’s a lot you could ask for, that they don’t sell to certain houses or restrict their hold on warships, just from the top of your head.
>No. The throne has gotten everything it needs from the voidfaring bumpkins. If they know what’s best for them, they will not bother House Heinrich in the future.

Last, but far from the least, you receive a missive from your son, Otto. He isn’t here to deliver it. Rather, he sent a small vessel, closer to an engine with a starnavigator strapped to it than a true ship. The handful of men onboard relay that Otto begs your forgiveness but cannot return within the twelve-year limit, as he’s, verbatim, waging a high-intensity hit-and-run campaign against filthy techno-barbarians to plunder a sunken ruin on a gas giant’s oceanic moon and isn’t willing to concede the potential treasures there. They claim he’s winning by a fierce margin but is more concerned by his family. You, in specific.

What is your reaction to the news?

>Enraged. For wilfully violating your direct imperial edict, without due cause, he is to be disinherited, effective immediately, and the throne will go to his brother, Karl.
>Frustrated. You asked so little of the boy and he couldn’t manage even that. You’ll be having a long, hard talk with him when he gets home.
>Calm. This isn’t ideal in the slightest but you suppose there’s not really anything to be done for it, here in the imperial core.
>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
>Enthusiastic. Every imperial heir is entitled to their own little excesses. You’ll do better than approval, you’ll send reinforcements! An imperial warfleet under his new cousin, Harold should suffice!
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>>5896907
>>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (Education Authority)

>Leave them in the basement. They aren’t doing any harm there. Who knows? One of your descendants might need them for some purpose.

>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.

>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
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>>5896907
>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (What should it be called?)
Ministry of Education but cut down on the price a bit
>Leave them in the basement. They aren’t doing any harm there. Who knows? One of your descendants might need them for some purpose.
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
Remember to immediately place another order to block the others
>Frustrated. You asked so little of the boy and he couldn’t manage even that. You’ll be having a long, hard talk with him when he gets home.
Otto cmon we had a deal.
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>>5896885
I don't understand?

>>5896907
>>Deny the budget. The masses are learning enough to function under the current system and the Empire’s funds must not be spent frivolously.
We don't even know if the current system is insufficient, yet. Relax you greedy fucks.

>Leave them in the basement. They aren’t doing any harm there. Who knows? One of your descendants might need them for some purpose.
I'm tempted to sell them, but our economy is okay right now.

>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
Paranoid, sure, but they pay their dues when pressed. More than a couple of noble houses do. Service begets reward.

>Enthusiastic. Every imperial heir is entitled to their own little excesses. You’ll do better than approval, you’ll send reinforcements! An imperial warfleet under his new cousin, Harold should suffice!
Did you say LOOT? I'd still be miffed, but it's not like he's doing it because he just doesn't want to come back. Who knows what ancient treasures lie in submerged places. We'll still wag our finger at him, but he'll know it's more exasperated than angry.
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>>5896907
>>5896909

>>5896913
+1
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>>5896907
>Put them on display in a new museum. Really, these relics aren’t more disgusting than some alien species. Might as well edify some of the intellectuals on mars.

>>5896909
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.

Unfortunately, telling them to not sell to certain nobles shows our hand too early. Plus, while I want to be safely stronger than the unhappy houses, I'm not yet convinced by the idea of centralizing completely, at least not yet.

>A mix of frustrated and jocular. The difference between him and us is that our father came to an agreement with us and we kept to it. Still, boys will be boys, and we intended to go regardless of what anyone said too.
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>>5896907
>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (The Order of Erudition. [Their symbol is to be an owl with a stylized third eye, its natural eyes looking down upon the masses with paternal suspicion, the third eye looking straight ahead at the implied goal of wisdom/excellence. It is carrying a quill and a sword in its claws.])

Forgot to vote for this.

After this we really ought to return to the aliens, trade deals and cultural exchange await!
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>>5896907
>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (What should it be called?)
Just the Education Ministry. I still want that Imperial Research Institute later too.
>Leave them in the basement. They aren’t doing any harm there. Who knows? One of your descendants might need them for some purpose.
We can use the insult later, or do something once the Feddies have cooled off some more.
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
Keep our end of the bargain, and we can't make more domestic enemies at current.
>Frustrated. You asked so little of the boy and he couldn’t manage even that. You’ll be having a long, hard talk with him when he gets home.
>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
Shake his hand with one hand, then slap him with the other.
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>>5896907
>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses.
>… though perhaps it would be better managed by your second son as part of his Nightshayd training. Learning how to twist an entire institution to serve the needs of the Throne while presenting a noble front would be true spycraft.
If we’re funding the scholars we’re corrupting the institution for our benefit.

>Put them on display in a new museum. Really, these relics aren’t more disgusting than some alien species. Might as well edify some of the intellectuals on mars.
I’m okay with any though.

>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
House Heinrich is honorable.
>Ambivalent. Is this how your mother felt when you went to Unope’s moon? You suppose you’ll complain when he gets back, but you understand where his heart lies.
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>>5896907
>Deny the budget. The masses are learning enough to function under the current system and the Empire’s funds must not be spent frivolously.
>Destroy them in a symbolic ceremony. If the masses are unruly, it must mean they are convinced they can rebel. They must be shown that is not the case.
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
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>>5896907
>Deny the budget. The masses are learning enough to function under the current system and the Empire’s funds must not be spent frivolously.

>>5896907
>Destroy them in a symbolic ceremony. If the masses are unruly, it must mean they are convinced they can rebel. They must be shown that is not the case

>>5896909
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
>Calm. This isn’t ideal in the slightest but you suppose there’s not really anything to be done for it, here in the imperial core.
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>>5896907
>>5896909
>Deny the budget. The masses are learning enough to function under the current system and the Empire’s funds must not be spent frivolously.
Im scared of academia becoming a bloat, they've got enough for now, lets keep it as is for a bit and see how it goes.
>Leave them in the basement. They aren’t doing any harm there. Who knows? One of your descendants might need them for some purpose.
Basically don't rock the boat, happiness is not in a good place and anything else can go either way. Im would not mind making a museum when things are more stable, at 3 or 4.
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
Its a good deal, and 'treason' is anything that goes against Empire or us, so we basically got them both to play nicely and got a fleet and some trade secrets out of it. Win-win, except we win twice.
>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
Heinrich blood, I guess. Just don't die, Empire needs you.
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>>5896907
>Deny the budget. The masses are learning enough to function under the current system and the Empire’s funds must not be spent frivolously.
>Destroy them in a symbolic ceremony. If the masses are unruly, it must mean they are convinced they can rebel. They must be shown that is not the case.

>>5896909
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
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>>5897207

Supporting this
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>>5896907
>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (What should it be called?) (Education Authority)

>Destroy them in a symbolic ceremony. If the masses are unruly, it must mean they are convinced they can rebel. They must be shown that is not the case.

>Not yet. You want to renegotiate the terms. There’s a lot you could ask for, that they don’t sell to certain houses or restrict their hold on warships, just from the top of your head.

>Frustrated. You asked so little of the boy and he couldn’t manage even that. You’ll be having a long, hard talk with him when he gets home.
>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
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>>5896909
>>5897282
>(What should it be called?) (Education Authority)
Changing my vote for the name to
>(The Order of Erudition. [Their symbol is to be an owl with a stylized third eye, its natural eyes looking down upon the masses with paternal suspicion, the third eye looking straight ahead at the implied goal of wisdom/excellence. It is carrying a quill and a sword in its claws.])
I like the detail this anon made for it.
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>>5896907
>Deny the budget. The masses are learning enough to function under the current system and the Empire’s funds must not be spent frivolously.

>Gift them to one of the noble houses. Such a gift would enrage them and likely prompt an uprising, which you could then crush. Unless that noble house were to get lucky, or inspire another to join them.
>No. The throne has gotten everything it needs from the voidfaring bumpkins. If they know what’s best for them, they will not bother House Heinrich in the future.
>Enraged. For wilfully violating your direct imperial edict, without due cause, he is to be disinherited, effective immediately, and the throne will go to his brother, Karl.

>>5896914
>>5896915
It's okay. You don't have to pretend.
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>>5896909
>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (What should it be called?) (The Order of Erudition.)
>Destroy them in a symbolic ceremony. If the masses are unruly, it must mean they are convinced they can rebel. They must be shown that is not the case.
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
>Frustrated. You asked so little of the boy and he couldn’t manage even that. You’ll be having a long, hard talk with him when he gets home.
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>>5896907
>>5896909
>Approve the budget. You’ll allow them to create a new agency of some kind, dedicated to better educating the masses. (Education Authority)
Though that Icon design by anon should be used. Also put pressure on them to get results, we're taking a risk with them so they should show that it was worth it.
>Leave them in the basement. They aren’t doing any harm there. Who knows? One of your descendants might need them for some purpose.
For now... I want to make a museum out of them in the future
>Yes. They’ve done good on the terms, as agreed-upon, and you’ll oblige them. So long as Hookware Corp doesn’t engage in treason, House Heinrich won’t attempt to limit or repossess their business in the future.
We keep our word.
>Jocular. Like father, like son. This is just like when mother forbid you to hunt the death-spiders of the Unope moon, and you planned to smuggle yourself out no matter what she said.
Boys will be boys.
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

Locking the vote here. Also rolling to break the tie on the educational institution's name.

>Education Authority- 1
>Order of Erudition- 2
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>>5896913
>>5896914
>>5896915
>>5896933
>>5896957
>>5896968
>>5896971
>>5896977
>>5897004
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>>5897211
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>>5897306
You have considerable doubt on the need for an educational institution, but in the end, are narrowly convinced by their promise to teach the next generation the importance of the environment. You grant these scholars a budget and dub them the Order of Erudition. Their emblem is to be a three-eyed owl, its natural eyes gazing in paternal suspicion on the masses, its third eye looking ahead to wisdom, bearing a quill and sword in its claws.

These scholars quite pleased. You tell them that you expect results and they claim they are honoured to service the Empire. Almost every commoner that speaks to you in person claims that, so you are unimpressed. Perhaps there's a selective bias there.

As cathartic and righteous as it would be to destroy these symbols of democracy, you opt to leave them in the basement for now. Perhaps they could be useful in the future.

You have almost no hesitation in signing an imperial charter for Hookware Corp. Let it be known that House Heinrich keeps its word! They are now the envy of the other Corps, after all, not even Cherry Corp can claim such status.

Hookware Corp has become friendly toward the throne! They are open to future negotiation and will generally try to avoid damaging your interests.

Your feelings on Otto are mixed, to say the least. On one hand, he did tell you that he would be back within twelve years and correspond regularly. On the other, he's trying to loot an ancient ruin before savages can get their hands on it and you emphasize greatly with the boy's rebellious urges. Even if he is in his forties. When he returns, you'll be having a long talk with him...

Hookware Corp informs you that House Rothsford is next in their queue for a new fleet. In consideration of the charter, they've offered you the first crack at it.

Should you order another fleet?

>Yes. You can never go wrong with more tonnage.
>No. The economy is already sparse enough.

Grayson Soluton has died, at 127 years of age. You attend his funeral. It is a somber event, but House Soluton's closeness to the throne is unchanged.

Somehow, Lughan Arthen continues clinging to life, at 140 years. Is this old man really so full of hate he can reach a century and half out of spite for your father?
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Rolled 6, 2, 1 = 9 (3d6)

>>5897431
You find The Ledger is in a concerning condition. In particular, it's looking quite lopsided.

>The Empire:
>Territory: 7
>Economy: 3
>Military: 7
>Happiness: 2
>Population: 7

>House Heinrich:
>3 jewel worlds, 5 core worlds
>1 Retinue Fleet
>Crown Corp

Your trusted Head Advisor Igor is as quick to explain his opinion as ever.

"Sire, the Empire's armada is incredible! You need not worry about the threat of rebellion, but the economy is imperiled your majesty! If we can't pay the troops, they'll soon forget their loyalties!"

You note that you're getting on up there. Now, you're 72 years old. Older than your father at his death. That makes you feel small.

What should you do?

>Deepen relations with the Osgus. There's no guarantee that your successor will make the attempt, nor that their next Slurm will be open-minded.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. They are refined, regal in their own alien way, and no less worthy of being taken into the imperial fold.
>Learn about a new alien species. Learning about new creatures has always been your dearest passion.
>Oversee Crown Corp. This is a poor use of time by your reckoning, but it could be a boon to your lineage.
>Raise Taxes on the disloyal Houses. Kill two birds with one stone, resolve the finances and ensure the civil war doesn't strike in your son's reign.
>Restructure the ERC. Of the many things you've done, the ERC is the most tangible part of your legacy, and you want to ensure that they last the test of time.
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>>5897431
>No. The economy is already sparse enough.

We just spent a ton on the new agency and royal guard. Though if we got trade deal with some other faction or made some investments that pay off this turn then I suppose it could be worth the risk of depleting our treasury even further.
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>>5897433
>Raise Taxes on the disloyal Houses. Kill two birds with one stone, resolve the finances and ensure the civil war doesn't strike in your son's reign.
We are almost ready to pull off the masterstroke. we have a strong military. our only weak point is money and two or so disloyal houses. this move will let us end our reign with our reforms.
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>>5897433

>No, the economy is already sparse enough.

>Raise Taxes on the disloyal Houses. Kill two birds with one stone, resolve the finances and ensure the civil war doesn't strike in your son's reign.

Time to fix our economy now that we’ve got a strong military position
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>>5897431
>No. The economy is already sparse enough.
Economy is down so I say let them build the fleet, but tell them to do it really slowly so that when the revolt begins we can just commandeer the fleet for ourselves.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. They are refined, regal in their own alien way, and no less worthy of being taken into the imperial fold.
Trade will give us money
Only reason why I don’t want to provoke the 2 houses yet is because Lughan is still alive and De Croize is still fence sitting
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>>5897433
>No. The economy is already sparse enough.
>Raise Taxes on the disloyal Houses. Kill two birds with one stone, resolve the finances and ensure the civil war doesn't strike in your son's reign.
>Give tax breaks to Throne aligned corps and to the general masses.
Get that economy up while still having reserves in the treasury.
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>>5897431
>No. The economy is already sparse enough.

>>5897433
>Raise Taxes on the disloyal Houses. Kill two birds with one stone, resolve the finances and ensure the civil war doesn't strike in your son's reign.
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>>5897431
>No. The economy is already sparse enough.
>Deepen relations with the Osgus. There's no guarantee that your successor will make the attempt, nor that their next Slurm will be open-minded.
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>>5897433
>Raise a series of ecological taxes on unsustainable practices. Mass urban sprawl and the stripmining of inhabited worlds will be disincentivized through ruinous levies. Though initially forbearance from punishing those who have to make huge changes very rapidly will be granted, those who fail to comply after this grace period will have to deal with the ERC. Of course we'll have to collect from each house one at a time since the ERC has a modest fleet count, and Ustong just happens to be up first, followed by Rothsford.

Just an idea to bring back this idea from when we chose to preserve the Empire's ecology. The idea is to disguise the fact that we are targeting Ustong and Rothsford by applying it evenly and playing to our character of caring about nature a lot, but collecting from them first while giving more time for the other houses to comply.

Probably a bad idea, since it may piss off everyone a little, but there will probably be a couple of rolls for it, just like last time when the ERC was expanded. If need be we can deregulate certain sectors that will ease the financial strain on our allies or the other houses except Ustong and Rothsford to balance out the the books for them. Though that may make us too transparent.

I'm fine with just diplomancing instead or getting the Crown corp in order.
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>>5897433
>Yes. You can never go wrong with more tonnage.
>Travel around the Empire
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>>5897433
>No, the economy is already sparse enough.

>Raise Taxes on the disloyal Houses. Kill two birds with one stone, resolve the finances and ensure the civil war doesn't strike in your son's reign.
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>>5897433
>No. The economy is already sparse enough.
T O N N A G E is like dakka, you can never have enough of it. However, we can't afford more right now.

>Deepen relations with the Osgus. There's no guarantee that your successor will make the attempt, nor that their next Slurm will be open-minded.
Now's the time to see if we can get closer economic ties that should feed properly into the GDP metrics.
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>>5897433
>Deepen relations with the Osgus. There's no guarantee that your successor will make the attempt, nor that their next Slurm will be open-minded.
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>>5897435
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>>5897438
>>5897439
>>5897442
>>5897448
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>>5897465
>>5897492
>>5897517
>>5897518
>>5897524
You deduce that the economy is too weak and the military too strong to warrant such an investment. Hookware Corp is understanding and begins manufacturing House Rothsford's fleet, though they're quick to inform you of the specifications they're being built to.

As much as your heart yearns to take advantage of the alien before it's too late, you restrain yourself.

The Empire is at risk of imploding on itself. You determine that, rather than wait for cohesion to shatter during your son's reign, it is best to accelerate. Heavy taxes are levied on House Rothsford and House Ustong. Either they submit and resolve the fiscal defecit, or they rebel and the throne can plunder what it needs from their estates. This a daring gamble but you're confident in your odds.

>Roll 1d6+1 for Order of Erudition. +1 [Spy Network], +1 [Increased Funding], -1 [Lingering Hatred]
>Roll 1d6+0 for reaction to taxes. +1 [Spy Network], +1 [Strong Military], -2 [Naked Bias]
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>>5897558
Order.
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5897558
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Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>5897558
>>5897560
Dammit, typo fucked up my dice. Roll again for taxes!
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>>5897563
Lets hope our rolls for the naval battles will be better than this
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>>5897563
War it is then.
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We're never gonna make friends with the aliens. We're too busy killing ingrates all the time.
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>>5897558
>>5897563
By the way, since we were fishing for this reaction. We HAVE engaged the plans we've made for this occasion have we not? The defeat in detail, have fleets and assassinations prepared and such.
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>>5897561
So we have some good education and propaganda.

>>5897563
But the taxes go badly and ferment rebellion.
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>>5897572
Nightshayd assassins are in every house and if I am correct we have 7 navy fleets (with the new hookware one included), 1 from our house, 2 from Soluton and 1 Imperial Guard fleet which I don't know is finished yet and the 1 ERC fleet. So basically we have 11-12 fleets ready against 2 Rothsford Retinue, 1 elite merc and 2 normal merc fleets and 2 Ustong retinue and 2 normal Mercs.

so 11-12 Heinrichs vs 9. This does not include what Arthen and De Croize may do or the fleets of the minors, martial and our sisters houses. Also, the Rothsfords just ordered a new fleet but I don't think that will be doing anything in this war.
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I really think we should have assassinated Lughan before making this power play. His heir was suggested to be more loyal which would have made this a war against one revel house instead of a strike on two .

We should be sure to recall Otto to help out asap. We need his skill and popular appeal.

lucky for us we have data for all Rothsford ships makes us have an advantage in battle
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>>5897572
You have engaged a number of plans and will the chance to open with them, yes.
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>>5897576
Things is, if we engage one of them at a time then we can defeat them in detail. Also the ERC has 2 fleets.

>>5897579
Good.
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>>5897577
Tbh no one here expected his sheer spite to be at this level. BUT, it's because his heirs and the rest of his family is loyal to us that I don't think they will be joining the war on either side which is good for us.

I just hope our daughter who married an Ustong is not held hostage or something which would kinda throw a wrench in things.

>>5897585
I am pretty sure they only had 1 but I may have forgotten. Also, if we engage them 1 at a time then they get wiped, but if they do group up we can use our Nightshayd to do a bit of trickery and set up an ambush. Also, Rothsford spy ring will be a problem.
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>>5897587
Since the reaction was expected then the daughter should be in a safe place, maybe her husband will stay neutral? The ERC got another fleet when the ecologists got integrated.
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>>5897579

I guess the good news is that we can force them to attack first and then we can claim self-defence
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>>5897587
We also could have used political stuff to get our daughter at the head of House Ustong.

in retrospect I think the issue with this tax was pulling the trigger a bit too quickly.we should have softened them them up first.
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>>5897632
>We also could have used political stuff to get our daughter at the head of House Ustong.
They would never accept that.

>in retrospect I think the issue with this tax was pulling the trigger a bit too quickly.we should have softened them them up first.
It's debatable if this was too early but it was a response to these two houses' alliance and attempt to increase their naval power.
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So, anons, explain to me. In a time when our relations with most of the major houses range from tense to very tense, did you decide it was a great idea to go and antagonise them in one of the most open, direct and most inclined to cause them to band together ways we could by shaking them down for cash? I don't understand the thought processes that went into this, if any did at all.
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>>5897650

Better to shatter them now at the height of our strength than wait for them to make the first move anon
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>>5897650
To clamp down on their power whilst our own is at it's height. Was that not obvious? Should things go as planned (not roll 1s) we will have 2 less major houses to manage.
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>>5897650
I didn’t vote for this so I am immune to all criticism
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>>5897650
I'm pretty sure anons have forgotten that civil wars are really fucking bad and tend to lead to lasting civil disobedience and disorder while also making everyone around you look at you like a freshly cooked hamburger. All for the promise of "getting rid of the bad eggs".
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>>5897659
This isn't a civil war, not yet anyway. They'll attempt to rise up but thanks to our military strength and intelligence network, we will be in a position to kill it in the crib.
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>>5897661
And hope that their long-standing subjects actually hated their rule and aren't loyal to them. And hope that the plan does actually go off without a hitch. I'm just saying man this is a risky play, and everyone seems to be ignoring the bad side and investing solely into optimism.

Don't roll like shit now, y'hear?
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>>5897664
I don't see why their subjects would be die hard loyalists to their ruling houses like the Fed citizens were to their republic. Also, of course it has risks but I think it is better to do it now before they got the chance to catch up to us. We have a strong loyal military and intelligence apparatus so that's the root of my optimism.
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>>5897664
Well there is a few things we can do to handle that. Like giving all the Rothsford stuff to our sisters house and giving the Ustong stuff to our daughter who is an Ustong by marriage.
We will however, be incredibly rich after we loot them so that is something nice
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>>5897666
Giving most of the planets away would defeat the purpose of this. My thinking is we do the same thing we did with the Feds, get the lion's share while giving the rest to allies including those you mentioned.
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>>5897665
>I don't see why their subjects would be die hard loyalists to their ruling houses like the Fed citizens were to their republic.
History. It happens plenty in history that people don't like the new rulers and that reason is enough to start wars. Especially in feudal systems. Why wouldn't they be loyal to their current rulers? They could have done the same thing we're trying to do to the former feddies. Loyalty programs and long standing tradition is plenty of reason to abhor a change in leadership.

>>5897666
>We will however, be incredibly rich after we loot them so that is something nice
Of course Satan uses greed to tempt. Begone, Satan.
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>>5897561
>>5897563
To your surprise, the Order of Erudition proves to be a wise investment! Under their tutelage, the literacy rate of the commoners improves and the ex-federal masses, both young and grown, are taught the importance of nobility in a context that they can understand. Most of the public discontent simmers down, even if democratic sentiment almost certainly smoulders in secret.

House Ustong attempts to pivot into the refinement of alloys, but Zephyr Corp undercuts them by selling at a loss. House Ustong loses some of its influence!

House Rothsford attempts to renegotiate terms with their mercenaries, but frustrates them! One mercenary fleet ends its contract and no longer serves them. House Rothsford has been weakened!

Your taxes have a substantial impact on the nobility! Mere months after you've sent out the edict that House Ustong and House Rothsford must empty their treasuries for the throne, you receive a response. A holo-tape, in fact! You watch it carefully.

Ezekiel Rothsford, Antonio Ustong, and to your dismay, Matthieu De Croize, are standing around a round table in a dark room. They are in the traditional regalia of their lineages. One by one, they make known their grievances.

Ezekiel is the first. "In the handful of decades your insignificant stain of a house has sat, hunched on the throne like your vulture of a father, the Empire has suffered indignity after indignity! When we marched to put down the Merchant Holdings, we expected justice! An end to the smuggling, once and for all! Instead, you gave them legitimacy! Carte blanche to rape our illustrious shipping lanes with their misbegotten cargoes!"
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>>5897669
Well the whole plan was for Freyja to usurp Rothsford but yeah I guess we could still parcel out the planets aslong as our end goals are still met
>>5897671
May I remind you I wanted to prepare more, I am just being optimistic here
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>>5897677
"You've lavished treasures on the arrogant scions on House Soluton, while spurning their peers! You've reduced to the shining grandeur of the palace to archaic squalor! You've given franchise to pirates, shaken hands with alien tentacles, and lain in bed with assassins! Enough is enough! We, of House Rothsford will restore noble order and put an end to your lawless reign!"

Antonio is the second. "Your majesty, House Ustong has been nothing but kind to your line. During the rebellion, we ignored our fealty to watch Alphonse assume the throne. We held our guns at bay, knelt in submission, and returned to our business. We've served Mankind for over a millennia, helping him colonize new worlds and fuel his industries at an affordable price. We have been humble, your majesty. And you..."

"YOU REJECTED US for the sake of upstart mercenaries! Thirteen centuries of dutiful service! GONE, so that a small-minded harpy can break our ancient monopolies! This we could endure, but taxes? TAXES!? You've stolen everything from us without a hint of shame, even after you married your wonderful daughter into our blood and now insist we pay you TAAAXES!?! You speak of your house's honour, your majesty, but you have NONE!"

Matthieu is the third. "I have long been silent, Emperor. In a mere two generations, your line has reduced our Empire to a bootcamp and tarnished its imperial grace with brute expansionism. This alone was insufficient to earn my ire, but your arrogance has outweighed your station. House Heinrich has been prominent for mere decades. On the imperial scale, the blink of an eye, and yet... You claim to prize tradition."

"You brought back the medieval style for your palace, you've made much fanfare of your martial glory, and you prefaced your reign by hunting in the jungle. All quite traditional, and yet, there has been not a trace of deference to your elders. House Rothsford and House Ustong have presided over their planets for centuries of prosperity, and you have unfairly abused them for personal gain. The stench of hypocrisy is too much to bear. Though I'm sorry it has come to this and have no quarrel with you, Emperor, I must be silent no longer."

Ezekiel takes the fore once again. "By unanimous remit of our great houses, we have banded together into a Tripartite Entente to remove your head from its shoulders and install my grandson, Zachariah III, as a new, civil Emperor! En garde, my brothers, for a noble future!" The three then draw their swords and lock blades over the table as the screen goes to black.
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>>5897681
You find yourself sweating. This was bound to happen eventually, but House De Croize as well? Agh... Nothing to be done for it now. The path is clear. You must assume your father's mantle and preserve the reign of House Heinrich!

Against you are House Rothsford, House Ustong, and House De Croize. They are each strong in their own right, but outnumbered.

On your side are the Imperial Navy, the ERC, the Royal Guard, House Heinrich, House Soluton, House Nightshayd, House Lochstrum, and the Martial Houses. Unfortunately, the imperial navy is less elite, the ERC aren't even at a military standard, and the Royal Guard's fleet hasn't yet finished construction.

Remaining neutral are House Arthen and the Minor Houses, though the former is being held back by a frail geriatric staring the reaper in the eye, and the latter is only sitting on the sidelines for a lack of naval power to pledge.

The second civil war for House Heinrich has begun, less than a century after the first!

Due to your foresightfulness, you've managed to make certain key preparations.

Which two did you enact?

>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Which house?)
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Which house?)
>The treasury was deplenished to hire mercenaries to help you fight! (Two average or one elite?)
>You urged the Minor Houses to remember their loyalties and contribute their meager strength!
>Hookware Corp was promised a royal marriage for the assistance of their armada!
>You made a formal request for your friends in the Osgus to help you put down the rebellion!
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>>5897685
Can you give us a reminder of our intel about how we stack up? I'm fairly sure it was briefly covered in a post at some point, but can't find it and it may have changed since.
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>>5897685
Are the fleets primed to fight one of the two we intended to fight?

Im thinkinf Hookware and a Nightshayd assassination but which target to choose?
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Rothsford)
The loss of a merc fleet from Rothsford was a god send and assassinating the biggest financial backer would be a good idea, and Ustong main wealth come from their frontier worlds so doing that will panic them.
>>5897691
Yeah, Gus should have told us all about their houses naval specs as per the deal


Our best chance here is to either divide and conquer or attempt to ambush their fleet once they group up.

Also where the fuck is Otto, he better not be dead.
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>>5897685
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Which house?)
Ustong
>You urged the Minor Houses to remember their loyalties and contribute their meager strength!
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>>5897691
I'll give a blow-by-blow breakdown of your respective navies in the next context update, as opposed to the rolling update, because your domestic intel is immense but at the moment, these are the forces:

>For the Throne:
>The Imperial Navy: 7 imperial fleets
>The ERC: 2 militia fleets
>House Heinrich: 1 noble fleet
>House Soluton: 2 noble fleets
>House Lochstrum: 1 noble fleet

>For the Tripartite Entente
>House Rothsford: 2 noble fleets, 2 mercenary fleets
>House Ustong: 2 noble fleets, 2 mercenary fleets
>House De Croize: 2 noble fleets, 1 mercenary fleet

>>5897695
If you opted to have the ERC reave the enemy, they would be. House De Croize throwing in with the Entente was a stroke of bad luck, as on a 2-4 they would've remained neutral.

>>5897701
Otto is currently looting the aforementioned sunken ruin.
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>>5897681

>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house!
>Ustong
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Which house?)
>Ustong

The idea is to basically cut away at one major leg of the tripartite and knock them off the board ASAP
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>>5897685
>>5897701
I'd be willing to back this if I knew how many fleets Hookware has. They're solid choices but if Hookware has a like 3 fleets then I'd prefer to have those.

>>5897716
What do you mean? I thought we had the imperial navy ready to fight one of rebel fleets, that was the whole point of doing it like this.
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>>5897716

Also, one obvious strategy is to simply offer better pay to the enemy merc fleets
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>>5897719
Hookware Corp currently has four fleets defending Tennsey, though they are... not quite... noble quality

You do, during the next turn you'll be able to try to isolate and attack a rebel house. These are just the non-naval preparations and the listing of the entirety of the forces arrayed against each other. The odds of a major battle involving every fleet are slim, as there are several fronts both sides need to cover.

>>5897720
That is true, yes. You could try a merc fleet out from under a house but it wouldn't be guaranteed.
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>>5897720
With what money? More importantly that doesn't work that often. Mercenaries do need to have some level of professionalism or they wouldn't get hired in the first place. Not saying that it would never happen, just not as often as people always think it would.
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)

They have the most frontier worlds (10), though I should note that all of our foes have a lot of frontier worlds. I'm a little uncertain of this distraction since it splits our fleet, but it is just the 2 weak fleets of the ERC, and it could learn a potentially huge portion of the enemy fleet to deal with them, which would be worth it to face weaker battlegroups.

>The treasury was deplenished to hire mercenaries to help you fight! (Two average)

Numbers matter most in fleet battles. Elite mercs receive a +1 for Pricey Equipment, but outnumbering an enemy matches that bonus, in return we get 2 fleets each which can choose a different strategy for a better chance of getting the +2 bonus. Plus two fleets = 12 cohesion, versus the 8 of a single elite merc fleet.

The money drain will hurt, but this is do or die. We'll be looting the enemy houses in their entirety in all likelihood anyways, assuming we don't show mercy for legitimacy purposes, so we'll earn the money back.

I also want to keep this a human only war, inviting aliens into our civil war will only turn people against us, and we don't even have a formal military alliance anyways. Plus they might take some of our worlds.
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>>5897724
Four fleets?! Okay here's my vote:
>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Hookware Corp was promised a royal marriage for the assistance of their armada!
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>>5897718
I was planning on doing this but I feel like causing chaos with the richest of them would do good, but killing the Ustong head would let our daughter be in a prime position to throw the entire house in turmoil by attempting to usurp it, other anons may have some ideas about this.
>>5897719
At least they are going to be neutral during this and most likely not giving Rothsford that fleet since its not even finished yet (we are going to take it after)
>>5897720
Albin can't afford wings at the table right now, we will have to beg Freyja to do that.
>>5897724
That is really good news as theoretically, we could both take care of one house's entire fleet while our preps can immobilize another. Also is the Rothsford mercenary that left the elite one or we just don't know?
>>5897728
We outnumber them currently and by what QM said we can theoretically knock out 2 of the houses individually. Also we got no money.
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>>5897685
>>5897701
+1
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>You urged the Minor Houses to remember their loyalties and contribute their meager strength!
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>>5897701
>>5897702
>>5897718
>>5897728
>>5897738
>>5897739
Guys, Hookware has four fleets! Please vote for it!
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>>5897735
Most of Hookware Corp's profits go into maintaining its armada. For hundreds of generations, the Gus line has had the firmly held conviction that naval power is the only way to guarantee their survival.

>>5897736
Hookware Corp is no longer manufacturing House Rothsford's fleet, as they don't want to risk losing the charter. The Rothsford mercenary that left was one of the cheap fleets, as the nobles know better than to risk antagonizing their best.
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>>5897742
>the Gus line has had the firmly held conviction that naval power is the only way to guarantee their survival.
The Gus line is smarter than your average bear.
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>>5897742
Tell them to keep making it if they can. The Rothsford already paid for it did they not? Why not use it then?
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>>5897685
>>5897741
>I'll switch my vote to ask Hookware for their assistance instead of hiring mercs.

I just don't like the uncertainty of the prompt. Okay, so we made a promise, but it sounds like a request, so maybe a roll to see how many Gus commits instead of staying on defence? Whereas at least the mercs are certain. Still, when you're right, you're right, 4 fleets is 4 fleets. Or at least potentially 4.
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>>5897746
It doesn't sound like it. The deal is a marriage for their armada, not a marriage for a part of it.
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Hookware Corp was promised a royal marriage for the assistance of their armada!
Send Ustong into a panic, and get Hookware's numbers on side. Even if I feel sorry for whoever gets married off to them, bringing them closer to the throne would also help cement our shipyard chokehold for the future.

In terms of numbers, this is a roughly even fight taking into account the higher quality of the enemy fleets. So much for the supposed easy crushing of the enemy and our "political position" is irrelevant in the face of angry warfleets and shitty luck. We do have options if this goes against us like impressing the Border Patrol, seeking our free mercs or pitching a deal to the Osgus later.

>>5897742
Rothsford's fleet is already under construction, is it not? I'm sure we have enough money from our special taxes to fund it to completion during wartime. The civil war will take years, and a fresh presumably noble-quality fleet later on in the war when everyone's battered and bruised would be excellent to have.

By the way, is this also going to be from Albin's zoomed-out perspective or are we getting more SisterCam?
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>>5897743
They've lasted this long through paranoia and keeping their heads down.

>>5897745
They've given a refund to House Rothsford and repurposed the parts for other contracts. Betraying a customer by stealing an already paid-for fleet is anathema to their business ethos.

>>5897746
It entails promising a royal marriage to Gus's family, and will gain as many as Hookware Corp thinks it can spare, which will vary by the opening stages of the war but is guaranteed at least two of. The problems with it are that as they're commoners, it will damage House Heinrich's reputation and the fleets are subpar compared to the house retinues.

>>5897748
You could certainly purchase a fleet from Hookware Corp, which they would start construction of straight away. In this case, they'd take the partially-complete fleet and work overtime to get it ready for the imperial muster.
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>>5897735
Karl is gonna have a rough go of it if we do that, unless their daughters are just luckier then their men.
>>5897742
Can we tell them to keep making it? Rothsford paid for it, may aswell use it for ourselves.
>>5897748
the only ones who are still single are Karl and Otto kek
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>>5897716
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Rothsford)
Throw a wrench in their works. These are also “free” options compared to the others.

We still have Angelica at least. That gives me more comfort.
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>>5897748
I forgot to answer this-
>By the way, is this also going to be from Albin's zoomed-out perspective or are we getting more SisterCam?
It'll most likely vary from stage to stage, as you choose which front to follow.
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>>5897750
Oh what? Two? It's either 4 or no marriage bro. If they don't agree then I'll go back to Nightshayd assassination which will make this even more confusing.
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>>5897750
Ah, in that case I'll switch back to buying 2 mercs. I don't want their filthy genes intermingling with our bloodline. Oh, and the reputation hit hurts bad too I suppose.
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>>5897750
In that case, definitely throw some coin at them to turn Rothsford's half-built fleet around for us. I assume we can do this in addition to our preparations since we're doing this now it's kicked off and not in advance?

And I switch over from >>5897748 to
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Rothsford)
To cause as much chaos as possible.

If the ERC's pillaging goes well, I think we should make Ustong our first target since they'll be trying to put the fires out and chase down the eco-pirates which should make them vulnerable to an early whacking.

I also think we should leave this vote open for longer than normal since there's a lot of discussion going on and it's some very important choices.
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>>5897787
forcing anons to think of the consequences of their actions, a terrifying thought.
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>>5897751
They've given a refund to House Rothsford but will continue making a war-fleet as insurance for themselves, regardless of whether or not House Heinrich promises Hookware Corp a marriage.

>>5897759
They're convinced the Tripartite Entente will have their heads if this war is lost, and are nigh-guaranteed to keep part of their armada garrisoned at their shipyards. Initial reinforcements would range from 2-3 fleets, with a possibility of more fleets if the civil war lasts longer than a couple of years. Hookware Corp's vessels sacrifice tonnage, armour, shielding, manueverability, and engine capacity for sheer modularity on the field and ease of repair and manufacture. In the latter respect, they are unmatched in the Empire but almost everyone who can afford better, does.

>>5897781
Alphonse would've been hesitant to have Gus as his in-laws, to say the least.

>>5897787
You can do so, yes. Hookware Corp is currently friendly toward the dynasty but won't break their neutrality without a royal wedding. I agree on keeping this vote open for longer than usual and will be, as I have a fair amount of preparation to do and like you said, it's a major decision. There's likely to be some more interludes when this is all said and done.
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>>5897685
>>5897701
+1
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>>5897685
>Hookware Corp was promised a royal marriage for the assistance of their armada!
>You made a formal request for your friends in the Osgus to help you put down the rebellion!
Guys, the Osgus could give us an entire race’s army, and we can deepen relationships with them. This is what we want.
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I encourage anons to get Hookware working on that ex-Rothsford fleet. We have the money to spare and we'll need it, methinks.

Anyway, while we wait, we can talk strategy. How do anons want to prosecute this moronic and avoidable war? We're about evenly balanced and obviously a lot will depend on chance so we can't plan too far ahead but, like I said earlier, I want to hit Ustong first if the distraction works. We don't need to commence any ground invasions since we don't need to force them to capitulate just yet, only to remove their void assets from play to earn us some breathing room (in that respect, I think we have something of a homefield advantage since to force our capitulation they'll have to slog their way through a tarpit of orbital defenses, system defense fleets and ground campaigns). After that, we switch to parrying any rebel blows and attempting to split up and destroy their fleets - don't be afraid to give territory to do this and keep as much of a doomstack together as possible. It remains to be seen how quality their leadership is or what strategy they'll pursue, or if any third parties choose to pile in and give us the Federation treatment.
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>>5897875
It depends on what moves we have available to us. The general plan is to get our doomstack and defeat each individual house fleet before they can link up with each other. Though Im open to hearing suggestions on what can be done besides trying for another ambush.
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>>5897875
Well, remember, these fleets of theirs have been made over a long ass time, we control all ship manufacturing infrastructure so every loss they suffer is one they cannot recover from. As for what to do, QM also said next turn we could be able to isolate one of the houses, meaning if the distraction works on Ustrong we could hit Rothsford if their head is assassinated which basically removes them from the entente and depending on what happens next that may be the end of it. If Ustong goes too far away from De Croize it means we can use the doomstack to crush them and thus win the naval war by divide and conquer.
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>>5897889
I don't think we'll be able to destroy two house fleets before they can link up - we can take out one now, but the other two will use the time to mobilise and join up. After that, we could just end up in a standoff and mutually unwilling to commit to a decisive battle, even if we would have the edge. I meant something more like taking advantage of their lesser numbers to opportunistically pick off isolated fleets, kite them around, destroy their lines of resupply and communications to attrit them down and so on. To wit, the ERC would make a great auxiliary force for logistics strikes and harassment, assuming they survive their little pillaging run into Ustong territory.

>>5897897
While you're right that they don't have any significant capacity to replace their fleets, ours is limited as well. While we might control most of the Empire's shipbuilding capacity, it's a slow process that might take years to built a whole warfleet. Hookware pulling double shifts on the half-built Rothsford fleet might well be the only fresh reinforcements we get this whole war unless it goes on for long enough outside of mercs. I'm unsure as to what rate we can keep up with attrition ourselves.

As far as Ustong and Rothsford goes, I guess it depends on which one ends up more distracted. If the assassination succeeds, they may well have a smooth transfer of power to a clear heir who takes up the reins quickly and continues like nothing happened. And if it does delay their mobilisation, an invasion could still face their whole warfleet at once instead of Ustong's potentially scattered forces. We shall see. Either way, we can only Pearl Harbor one house in this opening round.
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>>5897875

Friendly reminder that we don’t actually have to annihilate their entire fleets, just make it clear to everyone that they are losing the war. If we offer generous terms (very hefty financial penalties/lowering their houses to minor houses, etc) after a decisive victory, they might take a deal
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>>5897932
here is the thing though, even if 2 houses link up we outnumber them by a good margin and we would probably win that fight. There is a good chance we could destroy 2 fleets before they link up, its why I chose to do the little ERC raid. The general idea is that if the ERC raid works as intended it would drive the Ustong away while we obliterate one fleet and then since the other 2 would be too far apart we can pick off another. This is all wishful thinking though and we have to see what the future holds, maybe Lungham will finally fucking die and we can get the Arthens on our side.
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>>5897650
Our relationship with other houses isn't "tense to very tense" we are on pretty good standing with everyone except those two .
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>>5897950
That would be tricky to apply as 2 of the houses hate us too much and besides, Rothsford has declared someone to replace us as Emperor, that entire house needs to be burned to ash.
>>5897956
De Croize was neutral, we just got unlucky on that roll
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>>5897960
>De Croize was neutral, we just got unlucky on that roll
True. Despite that it's a good wakeup call, since one bad roll can ruin things if we're not careful.
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>>5897963
of course, Mathieu will have to be executed for this and a few others but I am content with giving a bit of leniency to them (I want their tech).
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>>5897685
>>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Which house?)
House Ustong
>You made a formal request for your friends in the Osgus to help you put down the rebellion!
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>>5897950
This isn't some succession crisis where there are rival but valid claims or some internal tiff, this is high treason and an attempt to overthrow us. These houses have completely dived headfirst into open rebellion and committed themselves entirely to our destruction. That's not something that can just be resolved with a ceasefire, especially if it leaves them equally hostile if defanged and these houses just passed the event horizon as far as the Empire is concerned. We can't give them a Prigozhin-esque deal and any negotiated peace will have to have very harsh terms involving a lot of severed heads, including those of the people responsible for signing the treaties. This gives their leadership little to lose and we should prepare for one or more houses to go down swinging.

>>5897953
Hmm, that's a good point, if the ERC keeps Ustong chasing their tails then we can come back for them later.

>>5897956
Of the five major houses, we were hostile with three (Ustong, Rothsford and Arthen), neutral to strained with one (De Croize) and allied with one (Soluton). That's not a good internal political situation. Just as it was a low chance that brought DC into the war, we likely dodged just as much of a bullet that Arthen stayed out of it.
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>>5897875
This rebellion is very top down. all their grievances are things the rank and file don't really care about.
I say we focus on a decapitation strategy. We assinatate, capture or turncoat the leadership of the three houses this will break the power case of the Tripartite. for example, De Croize is only mildly part of this alliance, if we cut a deal with them that cuts a huge chunk of their power.
And Lurjan is the biggest backer of the rebellion in his house. We assinate him is heir will be more likely to bend the knee.

We have the esteem and loyalty of a lot of the common folk, we should re use the strategy we used on the Federation "We have no problem with you, don't die for your traitorous overlords. don't fight for them and the Empire will protect and aide you as it always has"
We don't want this to become a fight against cultures or the populace even if we win it could lead to insurgency down the line. If anything we should try to avoid legitimizing this as a war in the first place. This is a law enforcement action on three criminals. We should order the arrest or capture of these three and legally recognize their heirs as the true leaders of their houses. (And I'd those heirs also back the rebellion just work down the line until we find someone loyal)
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>>5898016
Like for example "Turn in your grandpa and I will make you head of your house and make sure he isn't executed." Is a deal I think our in-law might take.

Or say we broadcast to the captains of various ships ",The order you received from your house is illegal. Ignore any orders that do not come from the Emperor or [Insert Approved Replacement Heads of House here]."
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>>5898016

100% agree with this post - this is a law enforcement action.

How sad that these misguided nobles are willing to shed the blood of honest Imperial for a delusion! Lay down your arms, loyal servants of the Empire, and Albin the Magnanimous will return you to your wives and sons and daughters…
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Yeah if rolls go well we could even "West Virginia" the situation and have several fleets of these three houses break off and declare for "The REAL House De Croize" or the like .
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>>5898002
Even if they do linkup I am confident we can break them with a bit of fun Nightshayd actions
Also Arthen was not hostile especially once Albin took the throne, its only that old skeleton lich that still lives. If he dies we have a high chance of them joining to help us, if not we can offer Karl.
>>5898016
If Antonio dies we have a good chance of making our daughter the head of Ustong by force once they are dealt with. Also, something that is not mentioned is that the average imperial citizen (not the fed scum) actually like House Heinrich mostly because of our origins plus how we favoured them before the war with the Federation. Rothsford treat their worlds decadently and ruthlessly so the commoners there will probably be glad to be rid of them while Ustong and De Croize are more lenient. The only thing I disagree with here is letting their heirs take over, this is a rebellion through and through and though I agree with arresting and trying those 3 bozos I want those houses gone or at least under our control.
>>5898031
The house retinues are pretty loyal so that would be a pretty far shot.
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>>5898049
The House retinues being loyal to the houses is another reason why we should prop up loyalists as the new heads of said houses.
It will be easier for them to turncoat for a De Croize than it would be for a Heinrich. When the conflict is over we can do whatever but for the time being I think having "legitimate" leaders of the revel Noble houses is the way to go .
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>>5898027
HIDE Tripartite threads
IGNORE Tripartite posts
DO NOT REPLY to Tripartite posters

>>5898049
While there may not be systemic issues with Arthen like there are with the other houses, at last check they were assessed as "belligerent" thanks to Lughan - if that's not an explicit statement of hostility, I don't know what is. At the end of the day, the only opinion that matters is that of the house leadership and Lughan fucking hates us, so his house does by extension.
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>>5898122
If his house couldn't withstand his judgement then he would have sided with the Tripartite since he fucking despises us.
This, however, implies that he is actually alive when in reality he is most likely a decomposing skeleton propped up by strings and wires with a soundboard embedded into his ribcage.
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>>5898131
The Watsonian explanation is that he's just too senile or ill to have the authority to make huge decisions like this any more as opposed to maintaining regular enmity, the rest of the house leadership managed to restrain him from war or he just didn't place much stock in the Entente's success. The Doylist explanation is that the QM may be having things happen behind the scenes they stayed out by chance.
Either way though, House Arthen has been a longtime enemy of House Heinrich thanks to his influence, and that they didn't join the dogpile while DC did is surprising and not something we could have counted on - if he wasn't circling the drain, I think we'd definitely be facing them down as well. So count our blessings in that regard, because we dodged a rather high-calibre bullet here.
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>>5898122
If Lughan drops there a good chance his House breaks from the Tripartite
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Which house?)
Rothsford.
But rather than reaving use them as smugglers to create resistance cells on their very worlds, they blame us for smugglers and treat their subjects like shit this is karma.

>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Which house?)
Ustong so the heir can step up and change course.
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>>5898177
Or he's been silent so he can strike from the shadows with a decapitating strike direclty on mars, but i think the nightshayd would have gotten wind of such preparations, though it's best if we keep the arthen under surveillance
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>>5897685
>The treasury was deplenished to hire mercenaries to help you fight! (one elite)
>You urged the Minor Houses to remember their loyalties and contribute their meager strength!
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>>5898215
>>5897685
+1 this vote
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Which house?)
Ustong

>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Which house?)
Ustong
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>>5897433
>"Sire, the Empire's armada is incredible! You need not worry about the threat of rebellion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM
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I'll be busy for most of today but should be posting later in the evening. The upcoming updates are going to be big and I think it'd be good to give you a heads up prior to the wait.
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Hookware Corp was promised a royal marriage for the assistance of their armada!
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>>5897685
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Rothsford)
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>>5897433
>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Rothsford)
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>The ERC was primed to reave a rebel house's frontier worlds, distracting their forces! (Ustong)
>Nightshayd agents were sprung into action to try to assassinate the head of a rebel house! (Rothsford)
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>>5899165
Before you can crush this reprobate uprising, you must analyze the assets at play. Due to your closeness to House Nightshayd, you have information on every fleet worth mentioning in the Empire. Just as importantly, you know where the enemy are garrisoned.

You consider the naval data now.

>Fighting For the Throne:
>Imperial Fleet: Angelica Heinrich, captaining her flagship 'The Emperor’s Judgement'. Legendary in her own right, the daughter of Alphonse, conqueror of the Federation of Uvarth, and Voidmaster. Is old, not decrepit, she says.

>Imperial Fleet: Seamus Arthen, captaining his flagship 'Thrusters Forward'. Now confident in his prowess and respected by his house, he chose to continue service in the navy over Arthen’s retinue. Fears that Lughan will live a decade longer, as he grew up under the ancient and is terrified of him.

>Imperial Fleet: Oskar II, Schafer, captaining his flagship 'Ode to Olympus Mons'. Broadly considered to be the equal of his father, the legendary Oskar Schafer who fought with Alphonse. Rather than resent living in his shadow, is proud to share his legend.
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>>5899301
>Imperial Fleet: Harold Heinrich, captaining his flagship 'Ken to Sol'. Everyone knows who Harold is, but alongside his misunderstood holo-career, he’s also a damned good admiral. If the enemy would mourn anyone’s death, it’s his.

>Imperial Fleet: Lewis Phillips, captaining his flagship 'In Endurance, Absolution'. Almost never speaks and in training, showed no reaction to circumstances that should've induced crippling fear. On the record saying he wants to rule an industrial panopticon.

>Imperial Fleet: Killian Aboze, captaining his flagship 'The Throne Remains'. A hideous lump of burn scars and synth flesh, mutilated during an accident at the Astronomicon, still managed to pass his admiralty exams with flying colours. His devotion to the Empire outweighs the pain.

>Imperial Fleet: Caleb Soluton, captaining his flagship 'Seas Below'. A pragmatic commander who views war as a form of performance art. Promoted after the campaign against the Federation for his ship’s contribution to breaking their ground turrets.

>ERC Fleet: Sirius, captaining his flagship 'Speak for the Trees'. An older man who saw the forests of his home continent razed for industrial purposes. Filled with a rabid, frothing hatred for merchants of all kinds.

>ERC Fleet: Keenak, captaining his flagship 'Burning Bush'. An Astronomicon graduate who volunteered for the ERC instead of joining the Imperial Navy. Obsessed with decomposition as a philosophy.

>Heinrich Fleet: Robert Heinrich, captaining his flagship 'Anna's Hand'. A decorated admiral, now famous for his part in the campaign to subjugate the Federation of Uvarth. Has more marriage offers than he knows what to do with, but is waiting until his naval career is over.

>Soluton Fleet: Thomas Soluton, captaining his flagship 'Vaunted Repulsor'. So warlike he’s nearly ostracized from his contemplative lineage, but an excellent admiral in his own right. Ecstatic for the chance to settle old grudges.

>Soluton Fleet: Douglas Soluton, captaining his flagship 'Sagacious Trabemas'. Into his ninth decade and frail, almost too old to captain a ship. A stern and cautious commander, doesn’t deviate from the plan unless forced to improvise.

>Lochstrum Fleet: Galileo Lochstrum, captaining his flagship 'Funeral Pyre'. Thickset and scarred, almost louder than his guns. Believes he’s destined to die for someone he loves, and he loves the Emperor.
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>>5899302
>Fighting For the Tripartite Entente:
>Rothsford Fleet: Zachariah III, Rothsford, captaining his flagship 'All That Glitters'. Second son of the third in-line for Rothsford's rule, notoriously deferential to his house. Known to spend most of his time in holo-flight simulators.

>Rothsford Fleet: Yaakov Rothsford, captaining his flagship 'Business Before Pleasure'. An outspoken advocate for noble sovereignty who wants to return the commoners to serfdom. He's a hedonist but remains in excellent physical condition.

>Mercenary Fleet: Darius the Pugnacious, captaining his flagship 'Slam Dunk'. Claims to be the last descendent of an ancient royal bloodline, with some evidence. Erratic and violent, was promised a planet for his contribution.

>Mercenary Fleet: “Chopper” Quincy, captaining his flagship 'Whirlybird'. Nicknamed for his past as a helicopter pilot, rumour has it he's sympathetic to the ERC. Follows the spirit of the contract, not the letter.

>Ustong Fleet: Kane Ustong, captaining his flagship 'Stormcrawler'. An excellent tactician with a near-perfect score in the Astronomicon, who defected to join his house in rebellion. Practices self-flagellation and eschews worldly comforts.

>Ustong Fleet: Sergio Ustong, captaining his flagship 'Blood for the Soil'. Firstborn son of Antonio, next in line for Ustong's rule but prefers gardening by hand to courtly intrigue. Has tried and failed to abdicate his responsibilities but feels driven by duty.

>Mercenary Fleet: “Ol’ Hornswoggle”, captaining his flagship 'Nebula Snake'. No less enigmatic than before, still scratching at himself. He wasn't paid in credits for this, or at least, any that can be traced.

>Mercenary Fleet: “Hurricane” Axton, captaining his flagship 'Junkheap'. A slightly famous pitfighter who used his winnings to get into the mercenary business. Despite severe head trauma, has done well so far.

>De Croize Fleet: Alexander De Croize, captaining his flagship 'Synchronicity'. The younger brother of Matthieu, suffering from an incurable wasting disease caused by flawed experimental rejuvenants. He still has a few years left in him, and has chosen to fight.

>De Croize Fleet: Lionel De Croize, captaining his flagship 'Cosmos Providence'. A focused polymath who learned the ins-and-outs of admiralty in the three years leading up to the rebellion. The scale of his intelligence is difficult to measure.

>Mercenary Fleet: Sebastian Durannes, captaining his flagship 'Reckless Cavalier'. A foppish dandy who finds layered fabrics more interesting than massed lasers. Unfortunately, his talents lie in warfare.
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>>5899304
Your own side has more numerous fleets and most importantly, claims legitimacy under the royal dynasty. The enemy's side has more competent fleets and fradulently claims their age grants them legitimacy independent the throne. No more than a thin veneer of lies, but you don't let yourself be distracted by politics. You note that if the enemy manages to consolidate into a true armada, the Empire itself will be in grave danger.

If you don't want to suffer the risk of catastrophic losses, you must keep the Tripartite Entente divided and strike while the iron is hot. To secure your advantage, you need to render them in disarray before the warfighting begins. Fortunately, you took clandestine steps many months ahead of time.

On the borders of House Ustong space, the ERC should be emerging from deep void. They've been given the order to end their senseless pollution by any means possible, as swiftly as possible. They'll be outnumbered and by better fleets but the ERC will strike out of nowhere, just as they're rallying their forces. Such an impact cannot be ignored.

This should be a sufficient distraction to delay House Ustong's muster in the pivotal opening stage. There's no losing. If House Ustong tries to break the ERC, their fleets will be delayed. If House Ustong ignores the ERC, their planets will be cleansed of the cities spreading over their once-pristine surface like tumours. You doubt the ERC will succeed in battle, but you have the utmost faith they will not flinch away, no matter the enemy. Before his departure months ago, the ERC's nominal commander, Sirius, made a rare birdcall in lieu of a salute. You answered with a primate's screech. The two of you understand each other like few others can.

In the depths of House Rothsford space, the sleeper agents of House Nightshayd will reveal their presence. Not through an assault, but the aftermath of an assassination. At this very moment, blades are being sharpened, poisons mixed, schedules memorized. There are dozens of agents trained from birth scattered throughout the servants of House Rothsford. Only one needs to get lucky and reach Ezekiel, be it his neck or his dinnerplate.

If he's slain, as he should be, House Rothsford will be paralyzed in the conflict's opening stages. Their heirs will be sent into squabbling amongst themselves, just when they need a united front the most. Unlike the... untamed... souls of the ERC, the operatives of House Nightshayd are professional to a fault. Their assassins will succeed or they'll self-terminate before they can be interrogated, without hesitation. Such are the standards of their noble bloodline!
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>>5899306
Such are the stakes!

>Roll 1d6+2 for ERC distraction. +2 [Vital Frontiers], +1 [Hidden Preparations], -1 [Civil War] (In this case, a high roll means House Ustong targets them instead of acting, while a low roll means they're able to raid without opposition.)
>Roll 1d6+1 for Nightshayd assassins. +1 [Spy Network], +1 [Hidden Preparations], -1 [Intricate Defenses]
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Rolled 5 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5899308
Rolling for ERC
Cmon Heinrich luck don't run out on us now!
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Rolled 2 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5899308
They're not pirates, they're aggressive environmental code enforcement
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5899308
Got beaten to the punch. Rolling for assassins instead.
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>>5899312
>>5899313
Good thing the 5 got rolled first right? Im scared of the Nightshayd roll.
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>>5899312
Looks like the Ustong fell for the funny prank
>>5899318
I don't remember how QM chooses but I think that though he rolled for the ERC first, his roll is still the second one so it may go to the Nightshayd which is still a 3 but not ideal.
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>>5899321
Nah IIRC, which Im pretty certain I have, if the modifier is wrong QM picks the first roll that has it right.
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>>5899312
>>5899316
That looks like two 5s. An auspicious start, although the ERC may not exist when it's said and done.

>>5899318
>>5899321
Anon rolled for the ERC using its bonuses but was preempted and switched to Nightshayd, so I'll take the third. I also would have if the rolls were reversed.
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>>5899323
Here's hoping the ERC doesn't get caught out.
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>>5899306
>Sirius, made a rare birdcall in lieu of a salute. You answered with a primate's screech.
Kek
>>5899323
I believe in the ERC
>>5899324
Their advanced codes of terrestrial mating noises will ensure their communications aren't decrypted.

Either way, Ezekiel is fucking dead which is quite important. For 2 reasons: 1, as one of the heads of rebellion (if not the main guy himself) has died in the opening conflict which is great for propaganda and 2, the Rothsford should be internally paralyzed for a bit. If we ambush and destroy the Rothsford fleet as our opening engagement not only would we be destroying a third of the Tripartite naval force but also the most dangerous part of it (due to that 1 elite merc) and if possible, killing the false Emperor. Combine all of that together and it could be considered the best possible start.
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>>5899321
Yeah, I hope qm explains his system but I’d assume that the third roll is used because it was designated.
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>>5899332
>>5899323
That’s what I get for not reloading before I posted.
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>>5899325
agreed counting on a successful assassination and on the subsequent chaos on Rothsford we should aim to crush their fleets and capture or eliminate their claimant to the throne.

we should be relatively safe given the absolute defenses on Mars so we can go all out instantly with all our power.
stupid of the tripartite to not have rallied before the message got out but we were ready for this betrayal so it tracks that they only just decided without massing the fleets first.
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>>5899325
They knew what they were getting into, are all volunteers and are certainly fully willing to die on this mission, for Emperor and Environment. Godspeed, brave eco-boys - if they don't come back, they're getting a big honking monument somewhere after we rebuild the ERC in their honour. I assume QM will be rolling for combat in the background, so there's a small chance they pull a Jonah (or lose to overwhelming firepower).

Our response sorta depends on what happens next. If the Rothsford's mobilisation gets derailed sufficiently for a while for them to sort their shit out, they're a ripe target. If they start knocking the stuffing out of each other over the succession (civil war-ception?), then we may have to wait for it to kick off or just leave them to slug it out while we take on Ustong and come for them later.
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>>5899325
At least they have the Nightshayd to help them mislead the Solutons and hopefully lead them on a long enough goose chase that we can link up with them and ambush the enemy by having the ERC pretend to be caught out. That's the best case scenario Im hoping for.
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>>5899345
Soluton are our allies. I assume you mean Ustong there?
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>>5899348
Yeah brainfart, I mixed them up before and I've done it again.
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>>5899304
By the way gentlemen, what do we think are the preferred tactics of this lot? It'd be good to have them on a list to reference before we engage in battle so we can choose the correct counter.
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>>5899336
I guess they assumed more would rally to them? I don't think they understand that their perceived slights were completely made up by them. In other words they gaslit themselves into believing we were gaslighting them.
>>5899337
I mostly want to attack Rothsford because it has the elite merc which makes it stronger than the Ustong 4 stack by like a +1 modifier. Also, Emperor sniping. As for the ERC they shall be remembered as Martyrs
>>5899355
At the top of my head,
Can't tell, feint probably, charge, feint, can't tell, defend probably, feint, charge, can't tell, feint probably, can't tell.
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>>5899355
Hornswoggle has appeared before, I believe he'll be a feinter given his affinity for being a tricky little shit. Axton might be an in-your-face sort.

Considering Zach is commanding a fleet himself, maybe we should just all dogpile his fleet and blow him out of the sky. It would be a devastating and possibly fatal kick in the teeth for the rebs.
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>>5899304
>>5899363
So, for future reference:
>Rothsford Fleet: Zachariah III, Rothsford
???
>Rothsford Fleet: Yaakov Rothsford
Likely [FEINT]
>Mercenary Fleet: Darius the Pugnacious
[CHARGE]
>Mercenary Fleet: “Chopper” Quincy
[FEINT]
>Ustong Fleet: Kane Ustong
???
>Ustong Fleet: Sergio Ustong
Likely [DEFEND]
>Mercenary Fleet: “Ol’ Hornswoggle”
[FEINT]
>Mercenary Fleet: “Hurricane” Axton
[CHARGE]
>De Croize Fleet: Alexander De Croize
???
>De Croize Fleet: Lionel De Croize
Likely [FEINT]
>Mercenary Fleet: Sebastian Durannes
???
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>>5899323
The ERC rolled a 7 after bonuses, not 5. Perhaps they waste additional time searching for the ERC when they should be linking up with other houses due to their apparent rabid hatred for the ERC?

Best I can think of for a “crit” in this case.
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>>5899325
We should endorse an heir in the succession crisis who is loyal to the throne
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>>5899517
You mean a "woman" heir? Come now, no need to be coy.
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>>5899517
Why not just take over the house or disband it completely?
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>>5899517
Destroy the Rothsford, endorse our daughter for Ustong, simple as.
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>>5899649
Because it means in the middle of the civil war a good portion of their fleets may turn to our side
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>>5899517
Someting like


>From The Office of His Imperial Majesty Albin Heinrich I

His Majesty is saddened to hear of the passing of Ezekiel Rothsford, while in his later years, he regrettably fell into criminal action (no doubt influenced by external forces) he passed on with a lifetime of service behind him.
As his next of kin, the rightful stewardship of House Rothsford now passes into your hands. Let it be known, should you redeclare your loyalty for the Eternal Empire, Shepard of all Humanity, your [father/grandfather/uncle etc]'s lapse in judgment will not be held against you. No criminal charges will be placed on you, nor any retainers our fleets under your command.
Let us put this temporary blemish asaide for the sake of a better species.

Butters them up and gives them an opportunity to bend the knee while saving face. Basically a poilte way to ask for a surrender with the subtext that if they don't shit will get nasty.
I figure we send this to the next in line, and if they say no, we work our way down the chain until we get someone who agrees. Once they bend the knee, we will get access to at least SOME planets and ships broken away from the alliance.
Any talk fo disbanding houses or radical change ups should come AFTER the war when they are already beaten. We shouldn't play our hand too early
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>>5899748
Rothsford hands typed this post
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>>5899790
If we can get even a fraction of the house forces to join the loyalists we can end this war before it ends.
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>>5899806
*before it begins
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>>5899790
To be fair I get the vibe that the Rothsford House sound like a tragic misdirected type.
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>>5899970
Not saying we should give them absolute (or any) clemency thought.
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I've been wrangling with pastebin lately, thinking about possibly shifting over to reentry. Anyhow, here's the outcome of the ERC's raid, along with a couple of interludes.

House Ustong Interlude
>https://pastebin.com/tY1W3euu

ERC Interlude
>https://pastebin.com/KjY0r959

1st Battle of the Civil War
>https://pastebin.com/87pA0xsF

The full update will be soon. You've had an excellent start so far but the conflict is far from decided. There's going to be something of a strategic layer.
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>>5900024
That was a good start? Sure doesn't feel like it. Well... at least it wasn't the worst start.
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>>5900024
They shall be remembered as Martyrs
>>5900042
They were a patchwork fleet and yet they managed to accomplish their goals of luring away Ustong, plus they severely damaged their money making worlds and did a good bit of damage. Let us hope we can make use of their sacrifice and deliver a decisive blow.
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>>5900024
>Fourteen million confirmed KIA, estimates as high as thirty.
>indiscriminate bombardment- bustling factories reduced to craters, thriving settlements, razed.
Did we just kill tens of millions of civilians?
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>>5900071

>Did we just kill tens of millions of civilians?

No, no we didn't. We killed millions of traitors.

But in all seriousness, the ERC may be way too zealous to control if we let them grow any further, especially when we end up with an emperor that does not give a hoot about ecology.
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>>5900074
It's a good thing their most zealous elements martyred themselves for the sake of the Emperor then. Maybe they should get a renovation and rebranding after all this, make them more professional and temperate.
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>>5900083
Our personal Sardaukarss should be remade with even more zeal
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>>5900024
>ERC gets a high roll
>they die
This is a victory for you, QM?
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>>5899308

>(In this case, a high roll means House Ustong targets them instead of acting, while a low roll means they're able to raid without opposition.)

>>5900098

>This is a victory for you, QM?

We just rolled to see if they would attack our distraction. The QM made a pastebin detailing all of the battle rolls here:

>>5900024

>https://pastebin.com/87pA0xsF
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>>5900104
I meant that in more of a "we are so fucked" kind of way.
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>>5900107

Oh, fair enough. And I doubt it, that is a noble fleet that was bled and is now out of place. Once we get strategic options, we'll be able to crush one family and then ram down the other two.
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>>5900024
In the dead of night on House Rothsford's capital estate, in the polar oasis on the dunes of El-Yaniv, the assassins of House Nightshayd put their plan into motion. Should Ezekiel eat, he will be poisoned. Should Ezekiel sleep, he will be smothered. Should Ezekiel enjoy the fresh, filtered air of his balcony, he will plummet. Every eventuality is put into place.

The security is dispatched, bribed, or was always loyal to Nightshayd. Layer by layer, the noble patriarch's defenses are stripped away while he is none the wiser. In the end, it is a contortionist hidden in his desk who did the deed, with the stroke of a dagger what hundreds of rifles couldn't accomplish. By this act, House Rothsford will be thrown into disarray.

You receive news of this just as you're planning the opening stage of the campaign. While you may not be a true admiral, you're still a true son of House Heinrich and the duty falls to you to coordinate the forces of the throne, be they allied or imperial.

There are seven major territories in the Empire that require oversight. Each is divided into several subregions, delineated by the most important planet within their borders. These vary by size and influence, but all are strategically important. If you lose territory, the fleets under you will lose the will to fight. As long as Mars remains, the imperial fleet will continue to serve. If the noble houses lose territory, they are likely to push for clemency, or worse, outright surrender.

Conversely, if you gain territory, the fleets under you will be invigorated and emboldened. An early streak of victories could see a paltry, dented handful of ships continue to fight even while their core worlds are bombarded.

As the Emperor, you must determine which fleets should go where. Because you planned this civil war ahead of time, you can have them sent anywhere you like, to garrison or to invade. There's a slight problem, in that your information is technically outdated. When the nobles sent their missive, they were already moving their fleets, so the garrison totals may be deceptive. They could strike anywhere. Alternatively, they could seek to defend their holdings.
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>>5900145
You have an inexplicable certainty that the ERC have succeeded in their mission to an incredible degree, so you can assume that House Ustong is undefended and will remain so for the year. You're also certain that Nightshayd succeeded in assassinating Ezekiel, so House Rothsford will be paralyzed by indecision, and you can be certain that their garrisons are accurate, as without orders, their fleets would've returned to their previous position. The only wildcard is House De Croize, which you didn't expect to rebel. There's no telling what they'll do or what they're doing. You must make your best guess and rely on your instincts.

Every fleet within a territory can freely move to any other subregion within. To move to another territory, they must spend a year in transit. If several fleets move to the same subregion, there's no certainty which will arrive first. If you don't wisely deploy your initial ships, you could see your superior numbers broken apart and ground to dust.

You must consider this cautiously.
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>>5900147
How should you deploy your fleets for the first year of the civil war?

>The Territories of the Eternal Empire:
>Imperial Core: The critical center of the Empire, home of old Earth and the imperial palace on Mars. Heavily fortified but whoever holds it has the claim to the throne.
>Subregion Mars: ??? [6/6 Fortifications]. (House Heinrich) [Throne]
>Subregion Tinth'agel: Arthen fleet (Unknown Admiral), Arthen fleet (Unknown Admiral) [Heavy Fortifications]. (House Arthen) [Neutral]
>Subregion Licciri: ??? [4/4 Fortifications]. (House Soluton) [Throne]
>Subregion Tennsey: Hooker fleet, (Unknown Admiral), Hooker fleet, (Unknown Admiral), Hooker fleet, (Unknown Admiral), Hooker fleet, (Unknown Admiral). (Hookware Corp) [Neutral]

>Primus Expanse: The earliest exploration and colonization attempts of Mankind beyond the cradle. Largest of the Empire's territories by a sizeable margin.
>Subregion Uarseilles: De Croize fleet (Alexander De Croize), Mercenary fleet (Sebastian Durannes) [Light Fortifications]. (House De Croize) [Tripartite]
>Subregion Khamulod: Arthen fleet (Unknown Admiral) [Heavy Fortifications]. (House Arthen) [Neutral]
>Subregion Lrypso: ??? (House Soluton) [Throne]
>Subregion Vintrola: De Croize fleet (Lionel De Croize). (House De Croize) [Tripartite]
>Subregion Nenov: No Garrison (Minor Houses) [Neutral]

>Gilded Belt: The most lucrative trade-routes of the Empire, in the silk-gloved grip of opulence and decay. Rival to the capital in material wealth, if not martial temperance.
>Subregion El-Yaniv: Rothsford fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford), Elite Mercenary fleet (Darius the Pugnacious) [Heavy Fortifications] (House Rothsford) [Tripartite]
>Subregion Jaifah: Rothsford fleet (Yaakov Rothsford), Mercenary fleet ("Chopper" Quincy). (House Rothsford) [Tripartite]
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>>5900148
>Martial Stars: The former territories of the Merchant Stars, now annexed under military rule. Quite loyal to the Empire, as the worlds here much prefer the House's taxation to Corp micromanagement.
>Subregion Plutul: ??? (House Heinrich) [Throne]
>Subregion Matera: ??? (House Rausch) [Throne]
>Subregion Aegis: ??? (House Phillips) [Throne]
>Subregion Nabichi: ??? (House Schafer) [Throne]

>Farfallen Chasm: The distant, sparse frontier of the Empire, a hotbed of smuggling and pioneering. Most often raided of the territories, grown hardy by necessity.
>Subregion Terminus: No Garrison. (House Ustong) [Tripartite]
>Subregion Ouferet: No Garrison [Light Fortifications]. (House Ustong) [Tripartite]
>Subregion Nusquam: No Garrison. (Minoraxa Houses) [Neutral]

>Ravaged Wastes: The former territories of the Federation of Uvarth, devastated by Vrakak and imperial invasion, then further by civil unrest. The Empire has some distance to go before it's both obedient and profitable.
>Subregion Uvarth: ??? (House Heinrich) [Throne]
>Subregion Enarvis: ??? (House Lochstrum) [Throne]
>Subregion Neo-Venus: No Garrison. (Minor Houses) [Neutral]

>Nebula Stratus: The mysterious barrier spaces, little explored, even less exploited, recently wrested from the Federation of Uvarth. Of little importance to the Empire, but holding too much potential to abandon outright.
>Subregion Perdita: No Garrison. (Minor Houses) [Neutral]
>Subregion Bizeon: No Garrison. (Minor Houses) [Neutral]
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>>5900148
>>5900149
I will let another anon plan out the specifics but I will just throw out the idea of destroy the Rothsford right now as by killing their emperor it will both be a gigantic blow and we could just knock out a third of Tripartite forces
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>>5900148
All forces to Gilded Belt, Subregion El-Yaniv.
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I’d like to try to establish some diplomacy with De Croize, and take them out of the conflict with a compromise.
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>>5900173
Im scared of those heavy fortifications but maybe taking them out first is for the best, I don't know. What is your reason for not going to Jaifah?
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>>5900149
With the raid on Ustong accomplished, are their ships now out of position for a follow-up attack from us? I believe that’s what you meant by them being “undefended”, meaning we can bomb them once with impunity like the ERC did.

If so, I’d send a single noble fleet to Terminus to finish what the ERC started and GTFO, then a number to crush Ouferet and knock Ustong out of the war. We can be certain that Rothsford won’t move their fleets out of their systems to reinforce Ustong.

With that done, Ustong’s fleets should be willing to seek clemency.

I probably won’t be around to do math later, but I think 4 fleets would do there to one-shot it. Then we could send 6 to one of Rothsford’s holdings to crush them there. We could do less, but De Croize may reinforce Rothsford so I’d prefer an overwhelming advantage to crush their fleets in case.
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>>5900202
I don't think bombing Ustong holdings is gonna get them out of the war. It might even embolden them to keep fighting because they have nothing left to lose. I'd rather we focus on destroying enemy void assets before doing anything else.
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>>5900210
OP has stated that taking territory will embolden our fleets and losing it will demoralize them, possibly to the point that they consider surrender if it’s their house’s worlds. The same should be true of the enemy’s side.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a roll to see who keeps fighting since we could get the same, but having the enemy follow different mechanics than us would be a low blow on QM’s part.
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>>5900230
I see what QM is talking about and these circumstances don't match them. Why would they surrender when they still have their fleets intact just because we occupied their planets? It in no way diminishes their capability to fight. Same thing applies to Mars being occupied since it would be a bad look to lose it but it would not result in us surrendering.
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>>5900148
>>5900149
Also, here are the forces at our disposal:
>Imperial Fleet: Angelica Heinrich, captaining her flagship 'The Emperor’s Judgement'. Legendary in her own right, the daughter of Alphonse, conqueror of the Federation of Uvarth, and Voidmaster. Is old, not decrepit, she says.

>Imperial Fleet: Seamus Arthen, captaining his flagship 'Thrusters Forward'. Now confident in his prowess and respected by his house, he chose to continue service in the navy over Arthen’s retinue. Fears that Lughan will live a decade longer, as he grew up under the ancient and is terrified of him.

>Imperial Fleet: Oskar II, Schafer, captaining his flagship 'Ode to Olympus Mons'. Broadly considered to be the equal of his father, the legendary Oskar Schafer who fought with Alphonse. Rather than resent living in his shadow, is proud to share his legend.

>Imperial Fleet: Harold Heinrich, captaining his flagship 'Ken to Sol'. Everyone knows who Harold is, but alongside his misunderstood holo-career, he’s also a damned good admiral. If the enemy would mourn anyone’s death, it’s his.

>Imperial Fleet: Lewis Phillips, captaining his flagship 'In Endurance, Absolution'. Almost never speaks and in training, showed no reaction to circumstances that should've induced crippling fear. On the record saying he wants to rule an industrial panopticon.

>Imperial Fleet: Killian Aboze, captaining his flagship 'The Throne Remains'. A hideous lump of burn scars and synth flesh, mutilated during an accident at the Astronomicon, still managed to pass his admiralty exams with flying colours. His devotion to the Empire outweighs the pain.

>Imperial Fleet: Caleb Soluton, captaining his flagship 'Seas Below'. A pragmatic commander who views war as a form of performance art. Promoted after the campaign against the Federation for his ship’s contribution to breaking their ground turrets.

>Heinrich Fleet: Robert Heinrich, captaining his flagship 'Anna's Hand'. A decorated admiral, now famous for his part in the campaign to subjugate the Federation of Uvarth. Has more marriage offers than he knows what to do with, but is waiting until his naval career is over.

>Soluton Fleet: Thomas Soluton, captaining his flagship 'Vaunted Repulsor'. So warlike he’s nearly ostracized from his contemplative lineage, but an excellent admiral in his own right. Ecstatic for the chance to settle old grudges.

>Soluton Fleet: Douglas Soluton, captaining his flagship 'Sagacious Trabemas'. Into his ninth decade and frail, almost too old to captain a ship. A stern and cautious commander, doesn’t deviate from the plan unless forced to improvise.

>Lochstrum Fleet: Galileo Lochstrum, captaining his flagship 'Funeral Pyre'. Thickset and scarred, almost louder than his guns. Believes he’s destined to die for someone he loves, and he loves the Emperor.
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>>5900149
>>5900241
Can QM also tell us the preferred tactic of these admirals?
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>>5900148
Right, I don't like committing in full like this, but we firmly have the initiative right now and must use it to the fullest to deal as much of an opening blow as we can. With Rothsford paralysed and Ustong running around to the Benny Hill theme, we have the best opportunity we're ever going to get to cripple the former in one fell swoop. DC is the only active belligerent and might be up to something, but I think we'll just have to take a chance on them or eat the loss of a couple of systems (any morale hit should be more than made up for by the obliteration of Rothsford). The coreworlds of both Soluton and Heinrich will be fine on their own for the time being should they attempt to strike, though we may lose some other systems.

To Subregion El-Yaniv:
>Heinrich Fleet: Robert Heinrich
>Soluton Fleet: Thomas Soluton
>Imperial Fleet: Oskar II
>Imperial Fleet: Harold Heinrich
>Imperial Fleet: Killian Aboze
>Imperial Fleet: Seamus Arthen
>Imperial Fleet: Lewis Phillips
This system is a hard target. The two fleets are powerful and we can assume the orbital defenses have a similar deal to Licciri, which means ~4 batteries. The answer to that is overwhelming firepower to make the fight as lopsided as possible, crush Rothsford's best forces, bomb their capital and snipe their would-be puppet Emperor right off the bat.

To Subregion Jaifah:
>Soluton Fleet: Douglas Soluton
>Lochstrum Fleet: Galileo Lochstrum
>Imperial Fleet: Angelica Heinrich
>Imperial Fleet: Caleb Soluton
And this is the other half of Rothsford's naval assets and important worlds. If we can blow apart these two fleets and neutralise the worlds, they'll be important and likely surrender.

That said, we could pull one fleet off the El-Yaniv fight to go and bomb Subregion Terminus to inflict more pain on Ustong while they continue to reel from the ERC strikes, but I want maximum overmatch at El-Yaniv and don't want to send lone fleets out - Ustong might be out of this round, but what if a DC fleet stops by to help? We could also put them on the defense of ours or Soluton's core worlds just in case DC has the same idea we do.
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>>5900252
I was thinking something along these lines too. The only caveat is the question of if we will control both fleets in their battles or if take one and QM does the other. In the latter case, we best make sure to match the preferred tactics of our admirals against the enemies' correctly.
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>>5900261
Good point on matching battle tactics, I was trying to distribute mentalities and skills evenly across both task forces but I'll echo your query earlier about preferred battle tactics for our admirals with the lineup subject to change. We can have a pretty good guess for our admirals, but we presumably know them well enough to not need to guess.
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>>5900148
Why doesnt Uvarth have a region yet?
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>>5900252

This is good planning, support.
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>>5900236
>>5900230
>>5900210
I once again will note that with he succession crisis ongoing it should be easy to find at least one heir who will bend the knee>>5900236
>>5900230
>>5900210
I once again will note that with he succession crisis ongoing it should be easy to find at least one heir who will bend the knee
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>>5900252
Looks pretty good, I am just wary of splitting our forces unless we get to roll for both fleets in which case I am all for it.
>>5900262
The mercs are easy to understand, its just the nobles we need to figure out
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>>5900284
We get it John Rothsford just wait for your time im sure your going to be able to take over the dynasty soon.
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>>5900042
From a tactical perspective, it was a defeat but from a strategic perspective, it's left one-third of your opposition is disarray.

>>5900071
The ERC killed tens of millions of House Ustong's subjects through orbital bombardment. That's a huge number but Alphonse's rebellion killed eight-hundred million. In comparison, it's little more than a skirmish.

>>5900098
Tactically, no, but strategically, yes. There was a chance they could've escaped to raid again or, unlikely, defeated House Ustong outright. Professionalism makes an immense difference on the battlefield. The discipline and coordination is what gives the House Retinues an advantage over most fleets, and why most pirates and militia are comparably ineffective.

>>5900195
You can attempt diplomacy, although it's very unlikely to succeed this early on, while they still have their assets and believe victory is possible. In upcoming turns, you'll be able to have House Nightshayd take more actions. However, the enemy houses will each be reacting to the previous and trying to advance their war effort. From a financial standpoint, the Tripartite Entente has the advantage but the Throne has, or rather had, a larger navy and dealt a severe blow to their cohesion. The ERC and Nightshayd have functionally won you the initiative and means of choosing the battlefield, which is strategically invaluable.

>>5900202
That's correct. Due to the ERC's diversion, House Ustong's armada isn't capable of fighting for another year.
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>>5900288
>>5900230
>>5900236
The biggest reason that losing territory is devastating for morale is that without planetside industry, it's difficult to maintain a war-footing for a fleet if it isn't also pillaging. Apart from the warships themselves, there are many cargo freighters that support them and despite not being part of the fleet's battle complement itself, are no less critical, but would be helpless in a fight. These logistics rely on a domestic economy to continue.

If you're campaigning in a foreign empire and defeated but survived, you would need to make morale checks to continue fighting. This applies for you and the enemy equally. Subregion Terminus is still in House Ustong's control, but its hold is incredibly weak at 1/10 Resolve. If left untouched, a Subregion will regain +2 Resolve per turn, or +4 if the faction's leading admiral is garrisoned there. In House Ustong's case, it would be Sergio Ustong.

If a fleet is damaged but garrisoned in an allied territory, it regains +1 cohesion per turn. If the allied territory is home to a major shipyard, currently Subregion Mars, Subregion Tennsey, Subregion Lyrpso, Subregion Plutul, or Subregion Uvarth, it regains +2 cohesion per turn. Repairing damage while at war is difficult but can be the difference between a narrow victory and a defeat.

>>5900246
Of course!

>Angelica Heinrich: Charge
>Seamus Arthen: Charge
>Oskar II, Schafer: Feint
>Harold Heinrich: Feint
>Lewis Phillips: Defend
>Killian Aboze: Defend
>Caleb Soluton: Feint
>Robert Heinrich: Charge
>Thomas Soluton: Charge
>Douglas Soluton: Defend
>Galileo Lochstrum: Defend

>>5900261
You'll control one fleet while the other goes under the admiral of your choice, to represent the slowness of communication across interstellar distances.

>>5900267
Subregion Uvarth is there and highly lucrative, as it's the Federation of Uvarth's former core, but as the majority of the territory was despoiled by the Vrakaks and still hasn't fully recovered, that chunk of territory is called the Ravaged Wastes in the imperial parlance.
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>>5900289
I should note, Subregion Tennsey isn't allied to the Throne but are willing to allow and upkeep garrisoned fleets, due to the imperial charter. House Arthen also has shipyards in Subregion Tinth'agel.
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>>5900289
I think given Ustong has 1/10 health we could take it over with a ham sandwich especially since it has no lffet for a year.

I think we should use that year to acquire at least Subregion Terminus
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>>5900289 >>5900252
So, according to previous discussion (>>5899380,>>5899363), these are the guesses we've made about enemy admirals' tactics:
>Rothsford Fleet: Zachariah III, Rothsford
???
>Rothsford Fleet: Yaakov Rothsford
Likely [FEINT]
>Mercenary Fleet: Darius the Pugnacious
[CHARGE]
>Mercenary Fleet: “Chopper” Quincy
[FEINT]
>Ustong Fleet: Kane Ustong
???
>Ustong Fleet: Sergio Ustong
Likely [DEFEND]
>Mercenary Fleet: “Ol’ Hornswoggle”
[FEINT]
>Mercenary Fleet: “Hurricane” Axton
[CHARGE]
>De Croize Fleet: Alexander De Croize
???
>De Croize Fleet: Lionel De Croize
Likely [FEINT]
>Mercenary Fleet: Sebastian Durannes
???
So, if these are correct, the the four we should send to Jaifah are:
>Lewis Phillips: Defend
>Killian Aboze: Defend
>Douglas Soluton: Defend
>Galileo Lochstrum: Defend
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>>5900294
Well, it seems me and other anons agree that destroying all the Tripartite void assets takes priority, remember they can't replace these losses they have no shipyards of their own. Also, we should have 2 fleets coming in soon with the Imperial Guard and the unfinished Rothsford one. If their fleets are gone then their worlds are far more likely to surrender, thus saving us a lot of time and effort.
>>5900296
It would be helpful if an anon goes back to the archive and sees if anyone is reappearing
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>>5900298
What, like seeing if these enemy admirals fought on our side?
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>>5900300
yeah, there may be a few as another anon has pointed out that some mercs are showing themselves again
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>>5900083
I agree with this mentality regarding restoration of the ERC. We could rebuild and integrate it into the existing patrol forces and make it more of an armed regular police force specialising in environmental enforcement with proper training and an organisational charter rather than a rabble of zealots. It'd certainly make it more palatable to the nobility and future Imperial leadership, who regarded the late ERC little more than as a bunch of sanctioned pirates.

>>5900285
Given Ustong is out of the fight for this round, the only way we'd be in serious trouble would be if the entirety of De Croize turned up in the second battle as reinforcements, which I can't imagine they will. Our intel on them is stale, but so is theirs on us and they have no reason to send all their naval assets to Jaifah - they won't even know what happened until the battle's over (any ground campaign notwithstanding).

>>5900289
What happens if a subregions' Resolve reaches 0? Do they capitulate and turn over control?

>>5900294
Their entire fleet is stationed in Terminus, so it will regain 4 Resolve this round and the other Ustong fleets are there - we might just blunder straight into them and, even if we do finish it off, there're still there to retake it.

>>5900298
I don't believe any of those houses ever fought along with us and the only merc fleet we've hired at any point was Brett's, who's not here (and probably took the opportunity to retire after the Federation War).


I think I might make another pastebin to keep track of what's going on - who controls what, what the resolve of various subregions are, our intel and the status of both sides' fleets all in one place.
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>>5900304
If a Subregion's Resolve reaches 0, it capitulates and surrenders to the invading faction. The Resolve of a Subregion depends on a combination of its prosperity, importance, and martial zeal. As the Throneworld, Mars has 30/30 Resolve but most of the Minor Noble held Subregions have 6/6 Resolve.

For this upcoming turn, Ustong's fleets won't regain cohesion as they were drawn far from their worlds to retaliate against the ERC.
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>>5900308
Would you mind furnishing the Resolve totals for the list of regions so I can fill out the war-o-meter pastebin?
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>>5900313
Not at all! I'll get around to it here in a bit, right now I'm somewhat busy at work. I'll admit I should have earlier but I was in a bit of a rush to get the territory elaboration out there. I will note that the faction controlling a Subregion isn't the only faction there, it's just the dominant faction. Likewise, it's also possible to have void supremacy in a Subregion without controlling it.
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>>5900316
Oh, as well as that could you also list the maximum cohesion values for our fleets and any known values for enemy fleets while you're at it? I want this document to be a comprehensive one stop shop.
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>>5900262
What about the change of plans for Jaifah? We going for the all defense admirals amendment?
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>>5900348
No problem. Here you go. I have a plethora of notes on my end but putting together a pastebin for everyone is very much appreciated.

>The Territories of the Eternal Empire:
>Imperial Core:
>Subregion Mars: 30/30 Resolve. Throneworld of the Empire, Center of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Tinth'agel: 24/24 Resolve. Center of House Arthen, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]
>Subregion Licciri: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House Soluton. [Throne]
>Subregion Tennsey: 16/16 Resolve. Center of Hookware Corp, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]

>Primus Expanse:
>Subregion Uarseilles: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House De Croize. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Khamulod: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Arthen. [Neutral]
>Subregion Lrypso: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Soluton, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Vintrola: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House De Croize. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Nenov: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Gilded Belt:
>Subregion El-Yaniv: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Rothsford. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Jaifah: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House Rothsford. [Tripartite]

>Martial Stars:
>Subregion Plutul: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Matera: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Rausch. [Throne]
>Subregion Aegis: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Phillips. [Throne]
>Subregion Nabichi: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Schafer. [Throne]

>Farfallen Chasm:
>Subregion Terminus: 1/10 Resolve. Holding of House Ustong. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Ouferet: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Ustong. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Nusquam: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Ravaged Wastes:
>Subregion Uvarth: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Enarvis: 8/8 Resolve. Center of House Lochstrum. [Throne]
>Subregion Neo-Venus: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Nebula Stratus:
>Subregion Perdita: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]
>Subregion Bizeon: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]
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First iteration of the Civil War Tracker is up: https://pastebin.com/vMapnuc7

While making this, I realised a couple more things
>Rebel scum ain't got no shipyards even for repairs lmao
>Kain Ustong's fleet is MIA?

>>5900389
Remind me of the tactical rock-paper-scissors arrangement? If [DEFEND] counters [FEINT], then definitely.
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>>5900390
I also opted to list all of the currently garrisoned Neutral fleets as well, which are House Arthen and Hookware Corp. There are other fleets in the Empire, for the most part mercenaries, but as they lack territory or an incentive to fight, they haven't been listed. If you choose to try and hire some, you very much can.

House Arthen's military power is menacing but note, their [Martial Tradition] bonus is the result of constant training from birth to the exclusion of almost all else. From an economic and industrial standpoint, they're quite poor as everything they have is bent toward fortifying their territory and expanding their fleet. All for their ideal of chivalry.

There are of course, many foreign fleets which aren't participating. Most of them don't follow the human default tendencies.

>Throne Fleets:
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich, PT: Charge)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen, PT: Charge)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer, PT: Feint)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich, PT: Feint)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips, PT: Defend)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze, PT: Defend)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton, PT: Feint)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich, PT: Charge)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton, PT: Charge)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton, PT: Defend)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrom, PT: Defend)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Tradition]
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>>5900390
>Tripartite Fleets:
>Rothsford Fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 10/10. 1d6+3. +1 [New Emperor], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Rothsford Fleet (Yaakov Rothsford, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Darius the Pugnacious, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet ("Chopper" Quincy, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Ustong Fleet (Kane Ustong, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Ustong Fleet (Sergio Ustong, PT: Defend)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet ("Ol' Hornswoggle", PT: Feint)
>Cohesion: 3/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet ("Hurricane" Axton, PT: Charge)
>Cohesion: 5/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>De Croize Fleet (Alexander De Croize, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 8/8. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>De Croize Fleet (Lionel De Croize, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 8/8. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Sebastian Durannes, PT: Unknown)
>Cohesion: 6/6. +1 [Military Skill]

>Neutral Fleets:
>Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Cohesion: 10/10. 1d6+3. +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Cohesion: 10/10. 1d6+3. +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Cohesion: 10/10. 1d6+3. +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+0. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+0. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+0. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
>Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+0. +0 [Civilian Volunteers]
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>>5900391
I looked it up and had it wrong, thought defend countered feint. Charge counters Feint, Feint counters Defend, Defend counters Charge.

So instead the four should be:
>Angelica Heinrich: Charge
>Seamus Arthen: Charge
>Robert Heinrich: Charge
>Thomas Soluton: Charge
Though I hesitate to send Angelica if it means we don't control the other battle.
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>>5900397
>If you choose to try and hire some, you very much can.
And how do we do that because I think we can all agree that it is a great idea.
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>>5900390
>>5900397
Well that's a snipe kek. Edits incoming.

For people reading the pastebin, for territories I've included intel on fleet assets in system, any fortifications, ownership, loyalty, resolve and whether a shipyard is present. For fleets, I've included their commander, their cohesion, their location and their preferred tactics. For any time-sensitive intel, I've also marked which turn it was acquired on.
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>>5900400
>Hooker Fleets

the Hoss never disappoint
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>>5900397
I forgot to mention this, but acting as a flagship grants an additional +2 cohesion and +1 in combat. I didn't include it in the listing here as the bonus is very circumstantial. In the event that a fleet is reduced to a 1-2/MAX cohesion and is no longer a flagship, it's disbanded for a number of turns equal to the time to restore half its value without a shipyard.

>>5900391
Their lack of shipyards contributed a large amount to their wariness of the crown, as did the charter for Hookware Corp. The rest of their economies are quite excellent, shipyards tend to be a money-sink outside of holding or seizing military power and supporting preexisting trade networks.

Kane Ustong is currently MIA, yes.

The rock-paper-scissors is
>Charge Counters Feint
>Feint Counters Defend
>Defend Counters Charge

>>5900405
You'll be able to control any ongoing battle of your choice, from the perspective of that fleet's flagship admiral.

>>5900407
How this works is that each turn, every faction gets to act once on top of fleet positioning. For the Throne, you as Emperor can act once and order your subordinate Houses to act. Because they're all close allies and have high moral, they'll cooperate without question. Certain commands will reduce their loyalty and morale, but that may be worth it to easily win the war and can always be recouped later.

The Tripartite Entente will do the same for each of its Houses. However, House Rothsford has been paralyzed by the assassination and will lose a turn, unless they're very lucky here.

>>5900409
There's something about imageboards that makes ninja'd posts constant, hahaha. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.

I'm going to give you guys a couple of mores to decide on your opening moves, then the 2nd (and likely 3rd) Battle(s) of the Civil War can commence in full.
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>>5900419
A couple of more hours, that is.

While we're at it, are there any other interludes you'd like to see? I had a fair amount of fun writing the last few and feel like they've really opened up the setting, as it were. If I have time to, I'll get around to some of them. I spend most of my sparetime writing or reading, it's largely what I do for fun.
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>>5900419
i guess a few anons agreed to strike down Rothsford first and hard before they can rally while Ustong is still mopping up the chaos in it's frontier worlds.

then it becomes a matter of how many fleets we lost and if the remaining rebels dare to strike at mars directly or engage our fleets.

i feel the Osgus should only be called upon if another power interferes otherwise it could be considered cowardly even though it would only show how much of a genius Albin was to ally with them.

i wonder if we could offer a shared resettlement of planets with land for humans and sea for Osgus in the twilight of Albin's reign.

>>5900420
i would like to see an interlude from the Osgus perspective, since i guess they are also in contact with Albin we could gauge their willingness to support us.
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>>5900405
+1!
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>>5900420
The Ecologist perspective on the Uvarth war.
The Rothsfords' reaction to their patriarch being assassinated.
The spy rings on Chavenac and the Reaver Clans.
An average joe who has lived through the entire reign of the Heinrich dynasty, from rebelling against the Throne to being the Throne that's being rebelled against.
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>>5900405
Then we shall make it an All Charge Party. Only our most aggressive admirals allowed.

And start reaching out to those mercs. We've got the funds, dammit.

>>5900420
Panic! at the Palace - the aftermath of Ezekiel's assassination
Giants in the Playground - an everyday schmuck or Minor House watching the Empire tear itself apart while all they can do is watch
These Landlubbers Are Crazy - the Osgus, reading about it in their waterproof newspaper over breakfast of Shrimp-O's
Mr. Heinrichs's Holiday - what Otto's been getting up to?
Daddy's got to go to work - an Imperial citizen gets their conscription notice as the news of the outbreak of civil war spreads
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>>5900159
>>5900173
>>5900202
>>5900252
>>5900261
>>5900282
>>5900285
>>5900405
>>5900427
>>5900429
>>5900444
With House Ustong’s rally delayed, now is the most opportune moment to strike House Rothsford. To that end, you divide the imperial armada into two lesser armadas to assault Subregion El-Yaniv and Subregion Jaifah with cataclysmic force. This leaves your own territories dangerously undefended against House De Croize but you’re confident that with their forces alone, they won’t do enough damage to make a difference.

>Armada #1:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)

>Armada #2:
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)

Given House Rothsford’s penchant for treachery, you opt to put only the most aggressive admirals into the second armada, beneath the command of your sister Angelica. As she’s the Voidmaster, any less would risk controversy and an undermining of the position. The first armada consists of the remainder of your forces and, overall, holds a much less clear hierarchy of command.

Oskar II has proven himself a brilliant commander but Harold, your cousin by marriage, is quite savvy as well. Killian has an iron will, Caleb has a fine track record as a captain, and Lewis has not a trace of mercy in him. Douglas is a staunch adherent to the tried-and-tested, methodical approach that’s served Mankind for centuries, and Galileo is more than eager to lay down his life for the cause.

Any of them would make a worthy commander in their own right, but you can only choose one.

Who should be appointed high admiral of the first armada?

>Which of the two armadas do you want to control?
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Rolled 2, 2, 5 = 9 (3d6)

>Enemy Turn:

Meanwhile, the Tripartite Entente’s patchwork plan begins to unfold!

House Rothsford attempts to retain cohesion after their patriarch Ezekiel was assassinated!

House Ustong attempts to conscript militia from the civilian vessels within their stars!

House De Croize attempts to hire mercenaries to bolster their own forces!

>The enemy’s rolls are, in order-
>1d6+1 for House Rothsford to retain cohesion. +1 [Existential Threat]
>1d6+1 for House Ustong to conscript militia. +1 [Noble Prestige]
>1d6+1 for House De Croize to hire mercenaries. +1 [Noble Prestige]
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>>5900634
House Rothsford's squabble amongst themselves before order can be restored! They're unable to act this year and suffer light damage, spread across both of their fleets!

House Ustong has suffered too greatly from the destruction the ERC has caused! Freighters are too busy relieving Subregion Terminus to be redirected!

House De Croize manages to hire an elite mercenary fleet, which joins their armada! Due to your extensive spy network, you're able to determine the specifics!

"Iron Slab" Chukka joins their armada in Subregion Vintrola!

>Mercenary Fleet: "Iron Slab" Chukka, captaining his flagship 'Feast on Glory'. Once considered for hire by Emperor Albin, the brick of lard has had uncanny success in the last few decades.
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill]

>House Rothsford's Turn:

The fleets of House Rothsford are squabbling, and unable to act!

>House Ustong's Turn:

The fleets of House Ustong are in the deep void, and unable to act!

>House De Croize's Turn:

The De Croize fleet under Alexander De Croize and mercenary fleet under Sebastian Durannes launch an invasion of Subregion Licciri!

The De Croize fleet under Lionel De Croize and mercenary fleet under "Iron Slab" Chukka launch an invasion of Subregion Lrypso!
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>>5900427
>>5900434
>>5900444
These are all interesting ideas. I'll make an interlude for one of them at some point.

>>5900400
While updating I noticed a slight typo here, Darius the Pugnacious has +1 [Pricey Equipment], not +1 [House Retinue]. That's it for the enemy's turn, so far.
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>>5900632
>High Admiral Angelica
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>>5900641
I am confused what we do now?
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>>5900660
The armadas are both set to go, you just need to determine which admiral should be in command of the first armada, and then choose which of the two armadas you want to control directly. After that, the battles will kick off, then the turn will end.
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>>5900676
I vote

>angelica to command first armada
>Direct control of the second armada
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>>5900632
>Oskar II
Seems pretty obvious.
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>>5900632
>Lewis
>Angelica's
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>>5900632
>First Armada
>>5900641
Let’s hope our cousins hold on cause if they do next turn we can wipe out the De Croizes when we return with the whole Armada
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>>5900680

Supporting this
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>>5900632
Direct control the first armada.

Guys, we put all the charge people on the second for a reason. We need to take control of the first one.
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>>5900818
I just want to play as Otto since we already played Angelica
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>>5900641
>direct control
>First Armada
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>>5900818
+1
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>>5900632
>Oskar II controls 1st Armada
>Control 1st Armards

>>5900657
>>5900734
>>5900680
Angelica's in the other armada, guys
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>>5901064
Whoops in that case

>Oskai in charge of first armada
>Control First armada
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>>5900818

Oops that’s a good point.

Changing my vote here >>5900803

To support this >>5901064
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>>5900632
>Place Oskar II in overall command of First Armada

We probably should have sent 1 fleet to raid that weak Ustong territory and kept 1 fleet in reserve…

Ah well

@QM, we did find a new fleet for the Royal Guard, right? How many years away is that?
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>>5900632
Changing vote >>5900913
To
>Control 1st Armarda
>Oskar II
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Locking the vote here. Came down with the flu overnight and my mobile hasn't been able to charge, so updates are likely to be less frequent up until the weekend when I can get that checked out.

>>5901352
You did. It'll be finished in 9 more years if Subregion Lrypso isn't conquered, as it's the one manufacturing the fleet. If Subregion Lrypso is conquered, it may continue production or may be cannibalized for parts, depending on the controlling faction's circumstances.
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>>5900657
>>5900680
>>5900720
>>5900734
>>5900766
>>5900803
>>5900818
>>5900913
>>5901064
>>5901084
>>5901091
>>5901352
>>5901368
You are Oskar the Second, of House Schafer, firstborn son of the first of your name. By decree of Emperor Albin, you have been entrusted to command his first armada in the pacification of the illegitimate criminal outburst centered on El-Yaniv. You are in control of perhaps the largest array of fleets ever assembled beneath House Heinrich and you are humbled by the duty. House Schafer has long prized itself on its legacy of service, and you have long been proud to call yourself a servant of House Heinrich. In war and in peace, your place is to enact the will of the throne within the void.

Like your father, you are a gifted admiral. Unlike some, you are not brash and aggressive, nor are you timid and prone to hesitate. You are an intricate tactician, laying plans within plans. To improvise is to put the fate of the Eternal Empire in the hands of random chance. It is the Eternal Empire's fate to conquer the stars but you will not disrespect it so by preparing any less than the most possible. The various fleets are gathered. You review them now.

>The First Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)

As this is ongoing, the Voidmaster, the famed Angelica, of House Heinrich, is leading the most violent of your peers to crush resistance that could be found near Jaifah. You wish them well. You've served under her in the past to much acclaim, though the praise is too heavy for you to handle. You much prefer to avoid being the center of attention. Once you've verified that the fleets are prepared, you embark on a voyage. Tense months of anticipation later, you emerge in the El-Yaniv system! As the Emperor has decreed, you shall take the fight straight to the foe!

Already, you can sense the enemy's seditious presence.
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>>5901616
You analyze the sensor data now.

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

If you were the sentimental sort, such a display of massed tonnage could bring a tear to your eye.

>House Rothsford's Armada:
>Rothsford Fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford)
>Cohesion: 9/12. 1d6+4. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Darius the Pugnacious)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill]
>El-Yaniv Orbital Laser
>Cohesion: 6/6. 30% chance to strike for 1d6 damage. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>El-Yaniv Ground Turrets
>Cohesion: 6/6. 30% chance to strike for 1d6 damage. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

The enemy's fleets are few in number, but their individual prowess leaves you confident that Emperor Albin's decision to concentrate the forces of the throne was wise. At the same time, El-Yaniv's gunnery is substantial enough you can't be certain this will be a bloodless victory. The degree of firepower here surprises you none, as if even half the rumours are true, the vaults they're defending are the envy of any Corp. Your sole concession is that the enemy's flagship bodyguard already seems to have suffered some damage, no doubt due to the sinister competence of House Nightshayd.

There is little question that this is going to be the most significant battle of your career.

You clear your mind and ask yourself what your father would do.

How do you want to engage the enemy?
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>>5901619
>Rothsford Fleet: Zachariah III, Rothsford, captaining his flagship 'All That Glitters'. Second son of the third in-line for Rothsford's rule, notoriously deferential to his house. Known to spend most of his time in holo-flight simulators.
>Mercenary Fleet: Darius the Pugnacious, captaining his flagship 'Slam Dunk'. Claims to be the last descendent of an ancient royal bloodline, with some evidence. Erratic and violent, was promised a planet for his contribution.
Darius will definitely [CHARGE] and Zachariah will eithe [DEFEND] or [FEINT]. QM, do holoflight sims have tactical tutorials? You know where Im going with this yeah?
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>>5901619
>+1 [New Emperor's Presence]
Also what's this New Emperor modifier?
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>>5901640
The rebels proclaimed their own emperor to replace Albin. Apparently, he’s on the ship.
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>>5901637
That depends on the holo-flight simulator, they range from near-arcade games that make no pretense of realism to hyper-realistic scenarios concerning a range of vessels and tactics. By House Nighshayd, you know that Zachariah Rothsford leans far more toward the latter. As Oskar II, you had extensive experience with them early on in your training but trended more toward repetitive study over realistic simulation.

>>5901640
Because Zachariah III is at the core of the Tripartite Entente's cause, his presence as acting admiral inspires them much like Emperor Albin or Prince Otto would to your own fleets. His destruction or detainment is a high-priority to the throne, but if he were to flee, that might be even more damning to the rebels, or not, depending on their temperament. There's little way to be sure outside of your own appraisal of House Rothsford.
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>>5901648
Yeah but do the realistic training simulators favour any kind of tacitc in their tutorials? Also has the Entente proclaimed him as emperor? Just the Rothsfords? Or neither and he's just the admiral? If it's the last one then he should just have the [Armada Flagship] one to represent that, just like Oskar.
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>>5901653

Zachariah is probably going to pull some tricky 6D tactics on us, so better to counteract that by simply charging at him with every thing we have.

To the QMs point - we can win a big strategic victory here simply by forcing Zach to flee the field,
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i think we should go all in on attacking the fleet then smash the ground batteries after 4 fleets on the rothsfords 3 on the mercs

>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
engage rothfords fleet
in order
>charge
>charge
>feint
>feint

>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
ENGAGE
MERC FLEET DARIUS

In order
>charge
>defend
>defend

my reasoning is that +4 for the main fleet should not be underestimated so we may as well remove that bonus entirely
and the ground batteries need to roll 30 then at least a 3 after that to really hurt us so that's 30% then 50% percent rolls so essentially 15 %

if we send one fleet against the GB's it won't probably die needing a roll of 5 or 4 depending on fleet 2 should make sure one dies becuase of the outnumbered penalty but i think the fleets are scarier
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>>5901653
It's a very wide genre and would be difficult to discern from that alone. That said, most don't tend to reward straightforward approaches. Holo-simulators are largely barred to the public but regularly see controlled use in the Astronomicon Academy, and a small community of more martial-aligned noble sons surrounds them.

Holo-flicks and holo-tapes, on the other hand, are very common throughout the Empire. Almost all of them feature some degree of pro-imperial propaganda but many have entertainment value besides that, and cover a plethora of types. Emperor Alphonse is considered one of the Empire's foremost directors. Emperor Albin believes his work on Harold's holo-series was equal artistic value, but Oskar II thinks the initial premise fell off after episode four. He intends never to speak of his opinion in earshot of any of the nobility, as it is quite in the minority among them.

The Tripartite Entente backed House Rothsford in declaring Zachariah III an Emperor to replace Emperor Albin, presumably as a puppet. It would be safe to assume that House Ustong and House De Croize are less eager to have a Rothsford on the throne, but they're nonetheless willing to fight for it, if it means putting an end to House Heinrich's reign.
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>>5901659
Or just straight killing him as destroying these 2 fleets plus the ones Angelica is destroying will be a massive victory.
Imagine hearing that a third of your forces and the new Emperor got wiped in the very first battle
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>>5901665
shit math was slightly wrong a 3 on a d 6 is 66 percent so it's closer to 20~ of getting hit by a 3 and above
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Pastebin updated.

>>5901665
Perhaps we should make it 5:2 instead? It's so imperative that we brain the brat here and now before he can 1HK one of our fleets or flee, and all we have to do with the mercs is fend them off until next round. Our two House fleets are more than capable of slugging it out with the mercs for a round.
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>>5901666
Do the lasers and turrets him on 70+ or 30 below?
>>5901713
If I am correct we should have a +3 from numbers so our imperial fleets should be at a +4, if we guess him correctly then it will be a +6 so I am confident we can bash his skull open right here.
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>>5901713
okay I've run the numbers in my head at most the 6 hp fleets can take 4 damage from rothsford with the new plan unless they get perfect countered in tactics in which case 1hko is possible it can work ill redo the vote

>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
engage rothfords fleet
in order
>charge
>charge
>feint
>feint
>feint

>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
ENGAGE
MERC FLEET DARIUS

In order
>charge
>defend

we can either get the merc fleet to withdraw or surrender
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>>5901731
The fortifications are roll under, so 30 or below.
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>>5901732
Why are you charging Zachariah and Darius? Im now very confident that Zachariah's preferred tactic is [DEFEND] due to his deferrential personality and conventional training. Darius' [CHARGE] because he is violent and erratic.

It's a different issue after the first round but I think going all in on one tactic right now to hopefully wipe them out fast is the better choice.
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>>5901743
eh i don't trust that the QM is always going to give us the most predictable tactics I'm just covering our bases
you can just copy my vote and change the parts you dislike dude i just wanted to at least get vote out so we can start moving this along
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>>5901746
Some of them are predictable, some of them are not. Also, my questioning wasn't a diss I genuinelly wanted to know your reasoning. Maybe you thought of something that I missed. That being said, I'll follow your suggestion...

>>5901619
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
ENGAGE ROTHSFORD FLEET ZACHARIAH

In order
>[FEINT]
>[FEINT]
>[FEINT]
>[FEINT]
>[FEINT]

Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
ENGAGE MERC FLEET DARIUS

In order
>[DEFEND]
>[DEFEND]

New formatting! How big will the modifier be against Zach btw? He's outnumbered 5:1 so I'd like to know.
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>>5901760
Forgot to put Oskar... fucking knew I missed something.
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>>5901659
>"It's like I know every combo in the game and he's just smashing the A button!"
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>>5901760
to be fair the mercs are likely to retreat seeing their pay pig get gang banged and the false emperor probably will as well if he resizes what we are doing so the stances probably won't even matter
anyway I'm not offended I just didn't want to reformat my post again and I don't really have energy to argue when my point is really i'm paranoid the QM will rug pull us at some juncture if we get too comfortable with predicting fleet actions
anyway I support your vote
>>5901760
>>5901619
changing
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>>5901746
Darius is certainly much more predictable than The Boy is. The latter is unlikely to Charge though, so Feint is at likely at least a safe pick. I'd say he has about even odds of Feint and Defend - Oskar did a lot of book study rather than sims and prefers Feint though, so it's really not clear what the sims taught him. Ah well.


While I was waiting, I had some thoughts about how to best represent the Eternal Empire as a Stellaris civ. I'd put it as being a being a Star Empire with the attitude Hegemonic Imperialists, the ethics Militarist and Fanatic Authoritarian and the civics Feudal Society, Aristocratic Elite and Cutthroat Politics.
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>>5901808
It's not just them sims. His deferrential and obedient personality, the biggest reason he was proclaimed emperor by the Entente, is the second half of why I think he'll [DEFEND].

I don't know the specifics from Stellaris but the Eternal Empire doesn't seem fanatically authoritarian to me. Though IIRC, Stellaris puts authoritarianism in opposition to egalitarianism so they might be using authoritarian to mean aristocratic in which case you have a better point.
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>>5902137

I like that we’re trying to read Zach’s mind but no doubt the QM simply rolls a 1d3 to determine battle tactics kek
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>>5902169
No, he's talked about how it all works before. All admirals have a preferred tactic that they choose first, it's only after the first turn that chance comes into play.

All our admirals of the second armada will choose [CHARGE] on the first turn because that's their preferred tactic and the same applies to the enemy.
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>>5902137
Because he's deferential towards his house doesn't necessarily mean he'll be conservative in space. He could just be really loyal but otherwise intelligent and dangerous. Plenty of people like that.

I went with FanAuth because they don't seem Fanatic Militarist or much flavour of Spiritualist/Materialist or Xenophile/Xenophobe to assign as another ethics pick, and based on their strong devotion to the absolutist Imperial system of governance and particular hatred for democratic ideals - Authoritarian doesn't necessarily mean a repressive dystopia, just how it's run. Of course, the particulars of the Ethics may shift around a bit on an Emperor to Emperor basis.
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>>5901763
reminds me of that star wars quest where as a dark empire loyalist we went against Thrawn, the strategy was to rush him immediately then bounce back by exploiting the planet rotation with the whole fleet and it worked flawlessly.

"Star wars dark empire" it was, it's in the suptg archive give it a go if you want it's a good read!
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>>5902217
Get someone to pull up his autobiography
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My flu got worse last night, so I called in sick from work. I'll be able to update a lot more today than expected. There's only a slight consensus on the initial engagement so I'll give it another half hour before I update with whichever has the most votes.

>>5902169
Every admiral has a preferred tactic that they'll start a battle with, then switch to another at random if that fails. Of course, if an admiral's preferred tactic fails them repeatedly they're likely to switch tactics for the campaign.

>>5901808
I haven't thought of the factions in the Stellaris system before now but that seems pretty dead-on accurate, in the authoritarian as pro-aristocratic sense. They don't have any strong leanings for or against aliens, or spirituality, but they're deeply authoritarian and have a martial bent. While the population is paranoid and bellicose toward alien species, it's not institutionalized and the ISL has done a great amount to bridge the gap between Mankind and the Osgus.

Thinking about it in Stellaris terminology, the Federation of Uvarth would be militarist, egalitarian, xenophobe, recently shifted from fanatic egalitarian militarist due to the Vrakaks invasion, with the idealistic foundation and merchant guilds civics, as a result of the Market Party's influence.
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>>5901760
I don’t remember if I voted yet so if not then I support this, if I have then I switch to this

How funny would it be if QM makes the brat a charger Kek
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>>5902465
>How big will the modifier be against Zach btw? He's outnumbered 5:1 so I'd like to know.
What's the answer to this question QM?
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>>5902477
My apologies, I missed the question there. The bonus for numerical superiority applies a +1 for every fleet engaged with the enemy past the first, so two fleets attacking one fleet would each get a +1, while three would get a +2, and so on. If Zachariah III is outnumbered 5:1, every fleet against him will be getting a +4 bonus, on top of every other bonus.
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Rolled 3, 5, 5, 5, 6, 5, 4 = 33 (7d6)

>>5901760
>>5901762
>>5901766
You determine that the enemy's void assets are the greatest danger here! The planetary fortifications can wait.

Zachariah III is no admiral, he's a brat, barely in his thirtieth year! On this day, you'll dismantle his feeble defenses and teach House Rothsford that the throne cannot be denied!

Darius the Pugnacious is a headstrong fool! Your vessels will brace themselves, and the mercenary will break his fleet upon them!

The first squadron moves as one!

You move your fleet to [Feint] Zachariah III!

Heinrich moves his fleet to [Feint] Zachariah III!

Killian moves his fleet to [Feint] Zachariah III!

Lewis moves his fleet to [Feint] Zachariah III!

Caleb moves his fleet to [Feint] Zachariah III!

The second squadron cuts off the enemy's path of reinforcement!

Douglas moves to [Defend] against Darius!

Galileo moves to [Defend] against Darius!

The foe is separated and soon to be in disarray!

Zachariah III maneuvers to [Feint] against Caleb!

Darius barrels in to [Charge] Douglas!

>Roll 1d6+6 for Oskar II's Feint against Zachariah III. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +4 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+5 for Heinrich's Feint against Zachariah III. +1 [Military Skill], +4 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+5 for Killian's Feint against Zachariah III. +1 [Military Skill], +4 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+5 for Lewis's Feint against Zachariah III. +1 [Military Skill], +4 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+5 for Caleb's Feint against Zachariah III. +1 [Military Skill], +4 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>5d6+4 for Zachariah III to Feint against Oskar II, Heinrich, Killian, Lewis, and Caleb. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]
>2d6+2 for Darius to Charge against Douglas and Galileo. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
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Rolled 15, 1 = 16 (2d100)

>>5902558
>1d100 for Orbital Laser to strike Caleb's imperial fleet! Hit on 30 or under.
>1d100 for Ground Turret to strike Caleb's imperial fleet! Hit on 30 or under.
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Rolled 3 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5902558
Oh no, they're rolling hot.

Oskar, kill.

>>5902560
oh no
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Rolled 6, 1 = 7 (2d6)

>>5902560
El-Yaniv's defenses strike with deadly precision! The planetary tacticians must have anticipated this vector of attack!
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>>5902562
Caleb's fucking DEAD
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Rolled 4 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

rip caleb, that's some horrible luck. So how does the turn order work, does he still get a hit on Zack before he gets destroyed?
>>5902558
Anyway, go Harold
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I also want to point out the irony that Caleb was promoted in the first place for effective bombardment of ground lasers. Revenge of the Turrets, it seems.
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>>5901760
>let's all feint guys
>we can choose a couple to do other tactics just in case but let's all feint
>all in baby
Laugh at this man.
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>>5902563
So it seems.

>>5902564
Fortifications strike first, then the battle's resolved.

>>5902568
Their target was a random imperial fleet. Every day, I'm a little more convinced that the dice are alive and have a sense of humour.
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>>5902570
While I'd have preferred some variety, it's basically moot because if I understand the damage calculations, the brat just got obliterated already by the first two volleys
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Rolled 2 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5902558
Killian
>>5902563
Bro we are about to get cooked, the dice are punishing us for our luck so far
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>>5902575
Actually, hold on, I forgot he still has +4, so he's only taken 2dmg thus far.

And we really need to get some escape pods for our bridge crews, this is an ignominious way to lose an admiral
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>>5902558
I just noticed that I forgot to include the prompt for Douglas and Galileo.

>Roll 1d6+5 for Douglas' Defense against Darius. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defense)]
>Roll 1d6+5 for Galileo's Defense against Darius. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defense)]
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Rolled 5 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5902583
I will throw my second roll here for Douglas and let the other anons deal with the rest of the rolls
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Rolled 4 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5902583
and I'll roll for Galileo just to keep the round moving
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>>5902591
>>5902596
6 damage done to the merc then, lets hope the rest of the fleet doesn't die by Zach or the turrets
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Rolled 2 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5902570
Yeah yeah but you get what I was cooking yeah? Had we gone all charge we coulda done so much... also those ground turret rolls were fucking bullshit.

>>5902558
Man Im scared now, they are rolling fire and we just lost and entire fleet over it.

Uhhh here's Lewis!
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>>5902625
No plan survives contact with the dice. By extension, the dice are therefore the enemy.
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>>5902560
well thats unfortunate
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Rolled 6 + 5 (1d6 + 5)

>>5902625
heres another roll if its needed
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>>5902776
Well, if only Caleb was alive!
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>>5902778
Pretty sure it's still used. Caleb, in his final moments, deals 1 point of damage...
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well at least the mercs took a major hit maybe they will surrender dead men earn no coin
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>>5902558
>>5902560
>>5902562
>>5902561
>>5902564
>>5902581
>>5902625
>>5902591
>>5902596
The armada soars toward the enemy, ready to bring the full wrath of the Emperor down on their heads! Unfortunately, House Rothsford paid good credits for their defenses and their lance and flak batteries rake the ships in your midst! You recognize their target vectors!

The seventh imperial fleet, beneath the command of the Soluton boy!

>Orbital Laser hits Caleb for 6 damage!
>Ground Turret hits Caleb for 1 damage!
>Caleb loses -7 cohesion

Caleb’s flagship, the ‘Seas Below’ has been destroyed!

You spare no time for grief. The battle in earnest begins. You impact the false Emperor, confident you’ll tear him apart in short order…

Only to be met with some of the finest admiralship you’ve seen in your entire career. You outnumber the enemy four to one, yet he maneuvers with a finesse that’s nothing short of artistic. Your own veterancy allows you to cut off a portion of his fleet and break it down.

>Oskar II rolled 9, Zachariah III rolled 7

Harold manages a stalemate at best.

>Harold rolled 9, Zachariah III rolled 9

Killian, arguably the most loyal of the imperial admirals, fails to make a dent in the enemy. Rather, Zachariah III manages to destroy an entire wing of destroyers!

>Killian rolled 7, Zachariah III rolled 9
>Killian loses -1 cohesion

Lewis, relentlessly stoic, suffers the same! In the last few hours of fighting, you’ve felt your initial confidence wane. Now, in its place is keen wariness for a skilled enemy, and thankfulness to the cosmos that you aren’t facing him on equal footing.

>Lewis rolled 7, Zachariah III rolled 10
>Lewis loses -1 cohesion

The house retinues fare better, as expected.

Douglas forms a phalanx of cruisers and scythes the mercenaries down! As you predicted, Darius is a hotheaded fool, and falls straight into your trap!

>Douglas rolled 10, Darius rolled 7

Galileo does likewise and punishes the hired-guns for their audacity. Alas, House Rothsford paid top credits for the lot of them! Darius’s fleet remains!

>Galileo rolled 9, Darius rolled 6

As do the enemy’s defenses…
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>>5902845
You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Cohesion: -1/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

This has gone less well than you’d envisioned, but the momentum and numbers are still on your side. As are millennia of martial tradition beneath the Eternal Empire! You cannot fail to crush the Tripartite Entente, because you must not fail! Hail to the Emperor! Hail to House Heinrich!

>House Rothsford's Armada:
>Rothsford Fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford)
>Cohesion: 7/12. 1d6+4. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Darius the Pugnacious)
>Cohesion: 2/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill]
>El-Yaniv Orbital Laser
>Cohesion: 6/6. 30% chance to strike for 1d6 damage. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>El-Yaniv Ground Turrets
>Cohesion: 6/6. 30% chance to strike for 1d6 damage. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

You struck at Zachariah III with over half of your armada, isolated and alone, but over half of his fleet remains! This is outrageous. Darius may be damaged, but the mercenary is no less capable of dealing a crippling blow if you aren’t cautious. Then there’s the defenses… You’re confident in your odds, but you aren’t certain that you’ll be winning without any more casualties.

How do you want to engage the enemy?
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>>5902849

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
all engage
>Rothsford Fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford)
>Cohesion: 7/12. 1d6+4. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

in order
CHARGEx3
FEINTx3
this is a fucking mess lets just slag the emperors ship at the very least maybe the mercs will retreat if we are lucky
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>>5902864
I think we should keep one fleet on Darius set to Defend to fend him off - if we don't, he's liable to Charge one of our fleets on Feint and do something nasty.
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>>5902867
if we get the same rolls we got last time the false emperor will remain in play he needs to die now
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>>5902870
I agree with other anon, put at least one on Darius and he will probably die and the rest of the fleet on Zach
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>>5902864

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

engage
>Rothsford Fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford)
>Cohesion: 7/12. 1d6+4. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
in order
Charge x3
FEINT x2

>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
engage
>Mercenary Fleet (Darius the Pugnacious)
>Cohesion: 2/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill]
DEFEND
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>>5902888
there you go guys
the numbers are with this plan too
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>>5902849
>Every admiral has a preferred tactic that they'll start a battle with, then switch to another at random if that fails.
Does a tactical match count as a failure? If there's a failure, is it guaranteed that they won't use the same tactic again?
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>>5902905
A tactical match doesn't count as a failure, if it ends in a tie or better. Likewise, a tactical disadvantage doesn't count as a failure if the fleet doesn't suffer any damage. In the event of a tie, there's a 50% chance a fleet will shift tactics. If a fleet fails using its tactics, it will almost always shift tactics, unless the admiral has cause to believe their enemy will use tactics that their previous, failed tactic could counter, which is seldom, or is psychologically divergent in some way. Most alien species have a default tactic they always trend to, Mankind is exceptional in its strategic variety. For example, the Mukvir unilaterally prefer to Defend in battle.
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>>5902924
in that case ill change the vote again
>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

engage
>Rothsford Fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford)
>Cohesion: 7/12. 1d6+4. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
in order
Charge x3
FEINT x2

>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
engage
>Mercenary Fleet (Darius the Pugnacious)
>Cohesion: 2/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill]
Feint Change from defend
Darius won't charge again after that beating
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+1 to whichever vote is closest to winning.
These space flight sequences are too complex for me to get into so I'll just signal boost whichever is in the lead to move things along.
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>>5902952
+1
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>>5902952

Supporting, hopefully they’ll collapse this round. Even if both fleets are reduced to space dust, that’s a victory for us. we have more industrial capability to rebuild than the rebels.
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Rolled 1, 5, 2, 6, 3, 4 = 21 (6d6)

>>5902867
>>5902881
>>5902952
>>5903024
>>5903210
>>5903225
The false Emperor is too severe of a threat to leave be. You redirect nearly the whole of the armada to intercept and overwhelm his fleet. While you do, you task the Lochstrum fleet to engage the mercenaries. Considering the house’s proclivities, this is only fitting.

You burn thrusters to [Charge] Zachariah III!

Harold burns thrusters to [Charge] Zachariah III!

Killian burns thrusters to [Charge] Zachariah III!

Lewis lunges to [Feint] Zachariah III!

Douglas pivots to [Feint] Zachariah III!

Galileo swings to [Feint] Darius!

Zachariah III [Defends] the dream of the Tripartite Entente against Killian!

Darius makes a desperate on [Feint] Galileo to catch him off-guard!

>Roll 1d6+7 for Oskar II’s Charge against Zachariah III! +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill], +5 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
>Roll 1d6+6 for Heinrich’s Charge against Zachariah III! +1 [Military Skill], +5 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
>Roll 1d6+6 for Killian’s Charge against Zachariah III! +1 [Military Skill], +5 [Numerical Advantage], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Charge)]
>Roll 1d6+8 for Lewis’s Feint against Zachariah III! +1 [Military Skill], +5 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+9 for Douglas’s Feint against Zachariah III! +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +5 [Numerical Advantage], +2 [Strategic Counter (Feint)]
>Roll 1d6+2 for Galileo’s Feint against Darius! +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]

>The enemy’s rolls are, in order-
>3d6+6 for Zachariah III to Defend against Oskar II, Harold, and Killian! +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +2 [Strategic Counter (Defend)]
>2d6+4 for Zachariah III to Defend against Lewis and Douglas! +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Disadvantage (Defend)]
>1d6+2 for Darius to Feint against Galileo! +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill], +0 [Strategic Match (Feint)]
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Rolled 64, 40 = 104 (2d100)

>1d100 for Orbital Laser to strike Killian's imperial fleet! Hit on 30 or under.
>1d100 for Ground Turret to strike Killian's imperial fleet! Hit on 30 or under.
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Rolled 5 + 7 (1d6 + 7)

>>5903308
Don't let them get away again, Oskar!
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Rolled 6 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5903308
Heinrich's charge.
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Rolled 4 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5903308
heinrich
finnally some luck with the bombardments
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>>5903319 >>5903318
use mine for killian then
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These are some good rolls for the first half (knock on wood) but I'm not holding my breath.
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>>5903333
If >>5903319 does go through for Killian, then Zack's dead.
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>>5903333
i think they are already dead
first roll is 1+6 vs 5+7 so thats 5 damage
2nd roll is 1 damage
3rd roll is 2 damage
8 damage already the false emp is dead all that remains is rolling for how much overkill
we can't lose thw fleet vs dairus even with the worst roll
so it all seems to be going well barring more ground battery shengians we should win this with some damage and one fleet lost
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Rolled 5 + 8 (1d6 + 8)

>>5903308
Lewis!
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Rolled 6 + 9 (1d6 + 9)

>>5903308

Rolling for mighty Doug!
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>>5903348
>3+4 vs this
mighty indeed thats like 8 damage lmao
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Rolled 4 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5903308
Galileo’s Feint!
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Our rolls have been consistently really good in battles recently. I'm nervous when the Bank of Dice comes to collect on our probability overdraft.
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>>5903349

I do enjoy how side characters randomly fly off the chain in this quest
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Very excellent rolls. Unfortunately, I've got to get to work and my mobile's battery nonfunctional, so I'll only be able to update in another 8-10 hours.
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>>5903308
Why is stragegtic disadvantage a +0? Not a -?
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>>5903427
Zack is the one getting the bonus to his rolls for that, we don't get double-penalised. Speaking of which, should Zack's rolls against the Feint attackers be at a +4 instead of a +6?
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>>5903433
if those are zach's rolls why isn it a +1 or something?
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>>5903436
Why would it be a +1? Zach's rolls are the ones at the top of the post. Because he countered the Charge attackers, they get no bonus while he's rolling at an extra +2 against them. I suppose it's equivalent to the attackers having a -1 and him getting a +1, but it adds to the same in the end.
And I had a brain fart, he did indeed get no bonus against the Feint attackers, who got an extra +2 to attack him. Doug rolling at a +9 would be terrifying to be on the receiving end of.
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>>5903443
Ok i see it now, the +0 and the later +2 are two different sides of the same interaction
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I had a long day at work, I'm glad to be back and am updating now. Now that we've resolved a few naval battles, I've started to think some more about the system and realized that the Empire has a fundamental advantage, in that its attacks are always handled first. In most cases this isn't a problem as the rolls are usually already opposed but there are a couple of cases where it's a factor that tilts the odds of victory in your favour, which lessens the suspense somewhat. I think I'm going to add a simple initiative system, where at the start of every round of combat, I'll roll 1d6 per fleet and have the combat resolved in descending order, flipping a coin (or 1d2) to see which goes first in the event of a tie where it's actually relevant. What are your guys' thoughts on that?

>>5903363
The emergent storytelling's one of the biggest reasons for the naval warfare mechanics. I'll admit the rules for it are swingy and complicated, compared to the regular Empire management, but that's intentional, as war's almost never certain.

>>5903427
Strategic Disadvantage is a +0 largely for convenience formatting but -0 would be more thematic, I agree.

>>5903433
That's what they are for the Feint, but he has a +2 for Defense against the Charge. He lucked out somewhat on the strategy he chose, randomly, but he ended up bombing on rolls.

>>5903436
This is >>5903443 dead-on accurate.

>>5903454
Yeah, the [Strategic Counter/Match/Disadvantage] bonus/malus is primarily to help me keep track of what's happening with the bonuses.
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>>5903891
To avoid clogging the thread with unnecessary amounts of dice or needing even more rolls to resolve naval combat, I would probably do this in the background but I can roll initiative in the thread if you would rather I do. It's no problem to me either way.
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>>5903891
>initiative
Yeah that seems fair.
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>>5903308
>>5903312
>>5903317
>>5903318
>>5903319
>>5903339
>>5903348
>>5903358
The planet’s defenses lock down on Killian’s fleet, but with a will tempered by the flames, he coolly dodges the incoming projectiles.

>Orbital Laser misses Killian
>Ground Turret misses Killian
>Killian loses -0 cohesion

You break your usual protocol to charge and punish the Rothsford traitor! By all rights, Zachariah III’s fleet should’ve been shattered, then and there, but their spite for House Heinrich keeps them pushing beyond the limits of sanity! You find yourself gripping your gloved fist, gritting your teeth at the bloodless carnage on the sensors.

These voidsmen are mad! They throw away their lives so recklessly. Can’t they see there’s no hope of victory against the gathered might of the Eternal Empire?

>Oskar II rolls 12, Zachariah III rolls 7
>Zachariah III loses -5 cohesion

Harold, proud member of House Heinrich, makes perhaps the most glorious charge you have ever seen, slamming into the wreckage that strives on to fight yet still. Zachariah III takes the full brunt of the onslaught, and when the haze of sensor footage clears, his flagship, cracked and scarred, remains!

>Harold rolls 12, Zachariah III rolls 11
>Zachariah III loses -1 cohesion

Killian, previously of no name worth repeating to some, indisputably proves the worth of House Aboze on this day. The numerous warships of his that remain batter down Zachariah III’s flagship from dozens of angles, striking him without mercy. Just as stubbornly, the Tripartite clings on, cannons blazing until the vessel’s very spine is snapped and its atmosphere shunted into the void! The bridge crew of every loyal ship shouts in triumph!

Zachariah III’s flagship, ‘All That Glitters’ has been destroyed! The warship that prevailed against the Merchant Holdings is no more!

>THE FALSE EMPEROR HAS BEEN SLAIN!
>The Tripartite Entente has been dealt a crushing blow!

>Killian rolls 10, Zachariah III rolls 8
>Zachariah III loses -2 cohesion

Lewis swoops in, decimating what little remains.

>Lewis rolls 13, Zachariah III rolls 10
>Zachariah III loses -3 cohesion

In a display of aristocratic contempt, Douglas annihilates all traces of the enemy’s remains without so much as a single missed attack. You see the footage yourself, and it leaves you breathless.

>Douglas rolls 15, Zachariah III rolls 9
>Zachariah III loses -6 cohesion

Galileo engages with the mercenary, trading blow-for-blow! Darius reveals himself to be crafty as well as furious, and despite what few ships of his remain, holds on to survival!

>Galileo rolls 6, Darius rolls 6
>Darius loses -0 cohesion
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Rolled 6, 1 = 7 (2d6)

>>5903914
You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Caleb Soluton)
>Cohesion: -1/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

The imperial fleet is immaculate, strong and proud! Though you are biased, this may be its greatest victory yet!

>House Rothsford's Armada:
>Rothsford Fleet (Zachariah III, Rothsford)
>Cohesion: -10/12. 1d6+4. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [New Emperor's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet (Darius the Pugnacious)
>Cohesion: 2/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill]
>El-Yaniv Orbital Laser
>Cohesion: 6/6. 30% chance to strike for 1d6 damage. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>El-Yaniv Ground Turrets
>Cohesion: 6/6. 30% chance to strike for 1d6 damage. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

The false Emperor is gone, reduced to less than dust! The mercenary scum remains, as do the turrets.

At the sight of their fallen figurehead, their morale must surely be shaken…

>The enemy’s rolls are, in order-
>1d6-3 for Darius to keep the will to fight. +1 [Elite Professionalism], -2 [Fallen Emperor], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6-2 for Fortifications to keep the will to fight. +2 [Noble Bonds], -2 [Fallen Emperor], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
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Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>5903916
Wisely opting against the waste of more lives, El-Yaniv's planetary fortifications retract their weapons and begin broadcasting the standard code for surrender.

Meanwhile, Darius blares a violent blend of incoherent grief and volcanic rage. "THE BOY WAS MY EMPEROR! I KISSED THE RING AND SWORE MY LINE TO HIS! TODAAAGHY, I JOIN HIM IN WARRIOR'S PARADISE!"

Despite working for mere credits, the mercenary opts to face the entirety of your fleet on his lonesome. Even more stunningly, the handful of frigates remaining join him in a final charge. This is beyond suicidal. Your fleets converge to destroy the fool in incredibly short order...

>The enemy's roll-
>1d6 for the spectacle of Darius's death
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>>5903922
In mere moments, every scrap of steel is destroyed simply and utterly. There is no fanfare, no struggle, no fuel for stories to be told.

By the glory of House Schafer, he is cleanly and methodically erased.

You turn your attention to El-Yaniv's broadcast. It appears the planet has chosen to lay down its weapons. Cowards, beneath even contempt.

Shall you accept their surrender?

>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
>No. These seditious traitors pledged their guns against the throne. They are deserving only of death, and you will take into your hands to spare them the shame of life.
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
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>>5903925
>>No. These seditious traitors pledged their guns against the throne. They are deserving only of death, and you will take into your hands to spare them the shame of life.
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
That first turn was a killer, we should consolidate what we currently have.
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
Honestly for now yeah, if Angelica also wiped out the other 2 with little casualties then even with the loss of Caleb this could be considered the best possible start
The death of the emperor, the destruction of the elite merc, the (hopefully) obliteration of the other 2 Rothsford fleet and the surrender of the Rothsford throne in the first year should be broadcasted everywhere to force whatever planets that can surrender, to do so.
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>>5903940
at least we only lost caleb to bad luck not bad choices
>>5903925

>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
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>>5903946
Our wisest move now would be to go hunt down the split De Croize fleets by recombining the fleet into one big armada. If I am correct then they should at a minimum be rolling a 1d4+1 to break resolve and since they only have 2 fleets over the Soluton worlds so we can wipe both fleets in time.
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>>5903925
>No. These seditious traitors pledged their guns against the throne. They are deserving only of death, and you will take into your hands to spare them the shame of life.
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>>5903925
>>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.

Bloodier then we would have liked, but it could have been much, much worse. We can take these losses, but the Entente can't take what we dished out today. I have a feeling we just drastically shortened the war.

Also, always accept surrender if offered. Its far more of a pain if the enemy always tries to spite you in death if they know that they are gonna die.
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>>5903925

>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.

Law enforcement action complete, we can now begin the process of bringing them back into the fold.

Importantly, we should be generous in our management of their surrender, to encourage the Ustong and the De Croizes to sue for terms.

Nightshayd can prune these seditious noble lines into oblivion over the next fifty years, might be a fun project for them
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.

we will accept the surrender and fuck them over in the peace conference like true royalty should.
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The false emperor was lucky Otto wasn't here. He'd have cleaved his flagship in two, while flying through the void after firing himself at them like a torpedo
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>>5903925
>Yes
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>>5903925
>>No. These seditious traitors pledged their guns against the throne. They are deserving only of death, and you will take into your hands to spare them the shame of life.
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
Punishments against the Rothsford house will be dealt out after the war.
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>>5904045
But I wanted to replace Rothsford with Lochstrum!
Seriously though anons I think you guys are going way too easy on these people who actually committed the highest form of treason.
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>>5903925
>No. These seditious traitors pledged their guns against the throne. They are deserving only of death, and you will take into your hands to spare them the shame of life
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>>5904179
We still can. Take their planets away from them to give to another house and they’ll be on-par with the minor houses. If we so choose. The penal camps still exist too.

I think most people are willing to wait for that though, especially since time spent sieging the planet is time spent not attacking the other houses.
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.
Though I would remain non comittal to any terms. They should be punished AFTER the civil war, when we have less on our plate.
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>>5903925
>No. These seditious traitors pledged their guns against the throne. They are deserving only of death, and you will take into your hands to spare them the shame of life.
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>>5904208
I was kinda hoping we completely eradicate them because they were one of the main perpetrators and the false Emperor was a Rothsford but yeah any punishment comes after the war is finished.
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>>5904249
I’d accept either myself. Given they crowned their own emperor it makes sense for their punishment to be more severe, so if we want to draw that line at “death to your House” because we want the others to be severe as well then so be it.
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>>5904249
We will eradicate them. Though just like you said, only after the war.
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>>5904249
The execution of the house's senior leadership should be non-negotiable, given they led the house into the highest of treason. The rest of the house nobility can be spared and punished in other ways if they participated, as can the house collectively. House Rothsford should be either a steadfast middle or minor ally of ours after this, or should not be at all. Obviously this is something postwar, we don't want the same response the Morgenthau Plan got from Germany.
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>>5904208

Right, my thought is to end the civil war ASAP and then crush the traitor houses over a longer period of time.
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>>5904262
>>5904274
We have to make an example of these houses but getting rid of them will also allow up to bring up houses that are loyal to us allowing for greater internal stability and strength. (I.e Lochstrum and the Martials gaining more strength and we can usurp Ustong via our daughter).
>>5904275
Obviously, we are going to be looting them all after this, We are broke and can no longer afford the wings on the table.
>>5904276
Why? Crushing them at the end of the civil war is easier, makes more sense and less time consuming
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>>5904290
>We are broke
Are we though? We made quite a lot of bank on the disloyalty taxes prewar and, as far as I know, we haven't done anything particularly expensive so far like hiring mercenaries or getting a new fleet rush-built. Though we're going to pillage them anyway.
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>>5904293
our economy was 3 if I remember before the war started and they didn't pay the disloyalty tax Anon, they revolted because they didn't want to do that.
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>>5903925
>No. These seditious traitors pledged their guns against the throne. They are deserving only of death, and you will take into your hands to spare them the shame of life.
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>>5904295
Hm. Was it ever stated if they paid any of it? Rereading the post, it doesn't seem clear though on second reading they might not have.
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>>5904324
>Revolt due to clearly bias taxes
>Pay the taxes too
???
If this is true then the Tripartite is operating on a brain length that we are clearly incapable of understanding
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>>5904328
I mean as opposed to putting up with the taxes for a short while while they ready the fleets and prepare to revolt. But when you factor in communication lag and put it like that, I concede that doesn't make sense.
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>>5904290
Ultimately, this is a war to curb the power of the nobility. Im fine with rewarding allies so long as we maintain the course of integrating all allies into the administation. Those that are not integrated must know their place, I want my absolute monarchy and not feudalism.

>>5904328
Even if unlikely, could be that they paid before revolting.
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>>5903925
>Yes. There's no reason to waste yet more lives. By traditional protocol, the remaining Rothsfords will be kept under house arrest until the conclusion of the civil war.

This is a short-time mercy

After the war ends, there will be mass executions
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>>5903934
>>5903935
>>5903937
>>5903940
>>5903946
>>5904011
>>5904023
>>5904045
>>5904046
>>5904049
>>5904071
>>5904115
>>5904133
>>5904180
>>5904209
>>5904235
>>5904305
You are quite content to accept their surrender. You wish to punish them for their treason, but the means of their destruction is not your place to decide. Your work here is done. You position a garrison of ground troops, seizing the planetary defenses and critical infrastructure. They see no resistance and the nobility cooperates. Most importantly of all, the various starports are locked down and all small, personal vessels that can be found sabotaged to prevent escape.

It takes a month to oversee but by the end, you’re confident there’s minimal chance of an upset. You prepare to receive your next command.

>...

You are Emperor Albin, son of Emperor Alphonse, and you’ve just received a magnificent piece of news. The false Emperor Zachariah III, has been slain in battle by admiral Killian Aboze’s fleet, beneath the command of high admiral Oskar Schafer! You are pleased, deeply pleased! This is cause for celebration, but it cannot come yet…

The civil war has only just begun.

You’ve received a transmission of your sister Angelica’s successes in Subregion Jaifah.

>https://pastebin.com/bmnd6DsD

According to the records, the Rothsford fleets were cleanly dispatched, though your cousin Robert suffered light damage and once again, Thomas lost little more than half of his fleet in battle. Such things happen, you suppose. House Soluton are renowned shipwrights, not ship captains. Perhaps you’re merely being pessimistic.

The false Emperor is dead! By the message, Subregion El-Yaniv has already surrendered and Subregion Jaifah is likely soon to follow. Their rebellion is built on a foundation of sand. In due time, the Tripartite Entente’s will to fight will fail them.
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>>5904354
You consider the strategic situation.

>The Territories of the Eternal Empire:
>Imperial Core:
>Subregion Mars: 30/30 Resolve. Throneworld of the Empire, Center of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Tinth'agel: 24/24 Resolve. Center of House Arthen, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]
>Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Subregion Licciri: 3/12 Resolve. Holding of House Soluton. [Tripartite]
>De Croize Fleet (Alexander De Croize), Mercenary Fleet (Sebastian Durannes)
>Subregion Tennsey: 16/16 Resolve. Center of Hookware Corp, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]
>Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral)

>Primus Expanse:
>Subregion Uarseilles: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House De Croize. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Khamulod: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Arthen. [Neutral]
>Subregion Lrypso: 8/20 Resolve. Center of House Soluton, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>De Croize Fleet (Lionel De Croize), Mercenary Fleet (“Iron Slab” Chukka)
>Subregion Vintrola: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House De Croize. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Nenov: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Gilded Belt:
>Subregion El-Yaniv: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Rothsford. [Throne]
>Imperial Fleet (Oscar Schafer), Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich), Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze), Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips), Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton), Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Subregion Jaifah: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House Rothsford. [Tripartite]
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich), Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen), Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich), Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)

>Martial Stars:
>Subregion Plutul: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Matera: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Rausch. [Throne]
>Subregion Aegis: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Phillips. [Throne]
>Subregion Nabichi: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Schafer. [Throne]

>Farfallen Chasm:
>Subregion Terminus: 1/10 Resolve. Holding of House Ustong. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Ouferet: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Ustong. [Tripartite]
>Ustong Fleet (Kane Ustong), Ustong Fleet (Sergio Ustong), Mercenary Fleet (Ol’ Hornswoggle), Mercenary Fleet (“Hurricane” Axton)
>Subregion Nusquam: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Ravaged Wastes:
>Subregion Uvarth: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Enarvis: 8/8 Resolve. Center of House Lochstrum. [Throne]
>Subregion Neo-Venus: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Nebula Stratus:
>Subregion Perdita: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]
>Subregion Bizeon: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]
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>>5904355
You consider the ramifications carefully. House Rothsford has been functionally neutralized as a threat. Unfortunately, House Ustong have returned to civilized space and garrisoned themselves in Subregion Ouferet, at their center of power while House De Croize has been hard at work and in the absence of resistance, have conquered Subregion Licciri and taken Subregion Lrypso to the brink of defeat.

You note that their bombardments have been light, focused nigh-exclusively on military infrastructure. This doesn’t surprise you, as House De Croize once had pleasant relations with House Soluton. After the loss of a promising admiral of their bloodline and the damages done to their territories, your allies in House Soluton are deeply concerned. Likewise, the entirety of your military assets are concentrated in Rothsford space. The advantage is yours, undeniably, but there is space for concern.

Even so, you're in an excellent mood! With the fall of the false Emperor, it’s your hope that the wind has been taken from the enemy’s sails. Lughan still breathes but this is of little consequence.

Your son Otto has returned from his time beyond the Empire’s territories, with several brand new scars and a hull filled to the brim with rare, exotic alloys. This will have a distinct impact on the Empire’s treasury. Such treasure pales next to what wonders he found, in the belly of a sunken ruin. Truly, an incredible stroke of luck!

A set of macro-scale telescopes, created by a precursor civilization! The depth and clarity of their lenses is multiple orders of magnitude beyond anything the Empire is currently capable of, and their workmanship is beautiful enough to bring tears to the eye. Impressive as it is, as the only thing it does is make static constellations more vibrant, it’s largely useless to the ongoing war effort. You’ll have to decide what to do with them later. For now, they go to the basement of the imperial palace on Mars.
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>>5904357
You return your attention to the ongoing civil war.

How should you position your fleets?

There are many factors to consider, not in the least that the enemy will be making moves as well.

You have a long, hard conversation with your son, Otto. Which will be outlined in more detail later. Once that’s done, he confides in you that he's enraged by the Tripartite Entente and eager to massacre them all! He asks you to put him on any fleet of your choosing, so long as he can kill. You recognize that while he’s competent in hand-to-hand combat, he’s still the imperial heir and it would be a loss to have him vaporized in orbit. At the same time, you recognize his presence would provide a great deal of morale to whichever fleet you chose.

Should you put Otto on a fleet?

>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
>No. After all of his gallivanting, he’ll be staying put in the palace.

As well as the strategic layer, there is also a domestic layer.

What should you do, as Emperor?

>Offer one of the enemy houses clemency if they turn on their fellow traitors.
>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.
>Attempt to hire mercenaries. There’s some demand but sitting on the throne, you’ll have your pick.
>Conscript some of the civilian vessels into militia. This may frustrate the masses, but you need guns.

What are your orders for each of your allied houses? You can choose different orders for them, or none at all.

>Contribute some of their treasury to the Empire. This will annoy them but they’re almost certain to comply.
>Grant a fleet to the Empire’s direct control. This will enrage them, but they’re likely to comply.
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.

What are your orders for House Nightshayd? For better or worse, they operate quite differently from the other houses.

>Attempt to assassinate an enemy admiral.
>Attempt to sabotage an enemy planet’s defenses.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
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To clarify, Angelica didn't bombard Subregion Jaifah as it would've impacted the potential plunder and opted not to invade without your go-ahead, as it's still fortified planetside. Subregion El-Yaniv has fallen into your hands. House Rothsford is functionally crippled as a threat.
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
Angelica's. Also, why does she not have a "Famous Admiral" modifer like Otto?

>Attempt to hire mercenaries. There’s some demand but sitting on the throne, you’ll have your pick.
>Have your Allies also hire mercenaries.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
What does this spy network mean QM? Like what does it mean to uproot them?
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
Harold
>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.
Blast it on repeat and force the Tripartie outlying systems to surrender
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
Gather the entire fleet and save the Soluton home world
>Attempt to assassinate an enemy admiral.
Can we assassinate a head of house? Cause I would kill Mathieu otherwise assassinate one of the De Croize admirals.

I will admit anons I did not expect the Soluton resolve to take so much damage this fast so we kinda gotta save the Soluton throne to make sure they don’t leave the war effort
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>>5904358
Can we have the report on what happened at Licciri? We know the planetary defenses fell, but how much damage did they do in the process?
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
Angelica's fleet. They made for a good team during the invasion.
>Offer one of the enemy houses clemency if they turn on their fellow traitors.
Offer De Croize an Imperial Pardon if they lay down their arms. Of the three houses, theirs was the least commited during the Tripartite Declaration. Likely they were strong armed into this by the Rothsfords and Ustong due to the critical failure , so they'd be the most likely to surrender peacfully. That'd take two out of three houses out with minimal losses to Imperial life and let us fully annihilate Ustong.
Of course we'll sail our entire current fleet, plus Angelica's into Subregion Lypso to make this offer. For that extra coercion bonus.
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
Don't upset the balance, we're doing fine as of now.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
Their House is shaken, but not destroyed. Rid the Empire of these scum.

Also QM, are you still rolling for Lughan dying? I understand that these turns are slower than in peace time, but considering his advanced age and how likely it is for House Arthen to come to our aid should he die I feel it's warranted that he'd roll his death die every turn.
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>>5904361
Because Otto is the imperial heir, he provides a bonus to the fleet he's participating in. Angelica is legendary but not in direct line for the throne, so she doesn't have the same impact on the ranks. If you're asking about the [Famous General] bonus, it's because void and ground combat are wildly different and zeal has an outsized impact on the ground, where what matters in space is coordination. Her status as Voidmaster will be giving her a +1 to initiative, though.

House Rothsford's spy network is still operational, as it was Empire-wide and not focused in their own space. They'll be reeling without direction from their nobility but remain a threat. If Nightshayd were to uproot them, it would entail a massive investigation and assassination of anyone suspected to be adjacent to House Rothsford's underground interests.

>>5904365
House Nightshayd can attempt to assassinate the head of a house and would be eager to do so. It will be more difficult than an admiral, especially as they're now on high-alert, but would have a heavy impact on the house's will to fight.
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>>5904365
>I will admit anons I did not expect the Soluton resolve to take so much damage this fast so we kinda gotta save the Soluton throne to make sure they don’t leave the war effort
I did expect it. Now we can move our deathstack to Lrypso and wipe half of the De Croize fleet perhaps coerce a surrender or retreat from Soluton Holdings since their Home Region is right next door.

>>5904373
Yes I was referring to the [Famous General] trait. Can we also try to flip the Rothsford intelligence assets? I don't see why they would maintain loyalty to the greater Tripartite when their own house is at our mercy.
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>>5904370
On Licciri, House De Croize eradicated House Soluton's heaviest military installations and prompted a bloodless surrender from the rest. So far, their occupation has been very offhand. Supposedly, no members of House Soluton have been executed outside of direct combat and those in Subregion Licciri have been placed under unlawful house arrest.

>>5904372
I am still rolling, and have been every annual turn. He got a 19 on d20 to avoid death, with a difficulty of 18. The man's practically already a corpse but he's just refused to die. There have been similar results for the last several 5-year turns, the lowest roll being a 16 on a difficulty of 16 to survive.

I've got to go take care of some things and will be gone for the next several hours.
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>>5904378
You can attempt to flip the Rothsford spy network. This would be moderately more difficult than uprooting them but also potentially much more profitable. As for their loyalty, many of the spy network have either sworn oaths to House Rothsford or themselves are members of House Rothsford, for the most part minor.
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>>5904384
>As for their loyalty, many of the spy network have either sworn oaths to House Rothsford or themselves are members of House Rothsford, for the most part minor.
Indeed? Then why would they resists us if the lieges/family members are held hostage?
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>>5904380
I mean how much Cohesion damage they did to the fleets in the battle that I assume you rolled for in the background, if any. I also assume the defenses were in the form of ground turrets like at El-Yaniv?
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>>5904387
They know their cousins in House Vonduul were torn out by the roots for resisting House Heinrich. Many are convinced they'll suffer the same fate and are persisting in spite, or under the delusion that House Rothsford can still reach victory.

>>5904389
Ah, I've got you. Liccir's fortifications were crushed in the first turn of battle, with no damage to the enemy. Likely as they were unsupported and outnumbered, but there was a chance they could've done some damage. In the subsequent bombardment, Alexander's fleet rolled 7+1, +1 [Light Bombardment] and "Iron Slab" Chukka rolled 5+1, +1 [Light Bombardment] to seize Licciri. This reduced Subregion Licciri to the negatives which brought it under House De Croize at 1/12, +2 for the noble garrison at the beginning of the turn.

Lionel's fleet rolled 8+1, +1 [Light Bombardment] and Sebastian rolled 2+1, +1 [Light Bombardment] to seize Lrypso. There was no naval garrison to resist them there, as it was participating in the battle for El-Yaniv and Jaifah,
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>>5904372

Supporting all of this.

Seems to me that we should take half of Otto’s fleet and half of Angelica’s fleet and have them redeploy against Ustong forces though
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
Robert's fleet. Having both Otto and Angelica on the same fleet strikes me as a terrible idea.
>Offer one of the enemy houses clemency if they turn on their fellow traitors.
Here's a hand, De Croize. Take if if you want to live. Otherwise you'll get Rothsforded.
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
We don't need anything particular from them right now
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
Instead of just killing them, we can make them offers they can't refuse. While many won't take the offer, I want to try and subvert at least part of Rothsford's network and make it our own.
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
I'll let the other anons decide this one, but in case of a tie I'll vote for Robert's fleet.

>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.
This is needed, not just to demoralize them but to make our own supporters to be kept in line and to prevent this from happening again.
Mercenaries are fine, and civilian conscription could come with issues, but offering them clemency sets a bad precedent.
What, do we forgive whoever backs upstarts and coups? If this is a "oh but we'll punish them later" it also gives us a bad image of going back on our word, since clemency is clemency and it's expected that we'd forgive traitors for betraying their cause to the winning side.
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
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>>5904416
Hunh. I'll change
>Offer one of the enemy houses clemency if they turn on their fellow traitors.
to
>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.
DC might be less enthusiastic, but they're still traitors all the same and shall be treated as traitors. Instead, just capitalise on Zack's demise as much as we can.

Also side question, QM. What's the rules on neutral systems? Can we pass through them? Station fleets in them? Attack enemy fleets parked in them?
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>>5904424
>What, do we forgive whoever backs upstarts and coups?
No? If we were doing that, we'd extend the same offer to both Ustong and Rothsford as well, which we're obviously not doing to do. Read De Crozie's statement for joining the Tripartite again. They're not in this because we've personally offended them, they have no quarrel with us. No, what tipped them over the edge was the greviances of House Rothsford and Ustong, as they clearly state that's the reason they can't remain neutral in this conflict.
>"You brought back the medieval style for your palace, you've made much fanfare of your martial glory, and you prefaced your reign by hunting in the jungle.
>All quite traditional, >>>and yet, there has been not a trace of deference to your elders. House Rothsford and House Ustong have presided over their planets for centuries of prosperity, and you have unfairly abused them for personal gain. The stench of hypocrisy is too much to bear.<<<
>Though I'm sorry it has come to this and >>>have no quarrel with you, Emperor, I must be silent no longer.<<<"
This stinks of backroom coercion and threats, if they have no quarrel with the Throne why take arms against it if not because you've been forced to by the other houses? We're offering them a chance to abandon the support of the (dead) false emperor, a mercy for someone likely coerced into taking action and to show we're not just a family of brutes as they think we are. Crush those who planned this rebellion, spare those who were decieved into it. Just like how Alphonse cared for all those who fought when he took the throne, irrelevant of what side they were on. Rule firmly and fairly.

It also has the bonus effect of taking half of the remaining enemy fleets out of action without further loss of life. Why should we not try to do it?
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Is Otto even that good at ship command? he struck me as better suited for on the ground field operations

>Appoint him a general, not an admiral, to only be deployed planetside if it comes to it

Play to his strengths .
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>Offer one of the enemy houses clemency if they turn on their fellow traitors.
I have been arguing this from the start. with the fall of the false emperor and the defeat of House Roth, the writing is on the wall. We should offer the deal to the weaker of the two unoccupied enemy houses since they are more likely to take it
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
We don't need the extra reasources since we already are winning and have an advantage. And we don't want to piss off more houses in the middle of a rebellion

>Sabatouge planet defenses

specifically the lasers that can strike orbital targets
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>>5904380
Literally too angry to die.
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>>5904483
Otto isn't asking for command of a fleet, just to be present in the hope he gets to fight something.
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>>5904438
>If we were doing that, we'd extend the same offer to both Ustong and Rothsford as well, which we're obviously not doing to do.
Hopefully not, though I've seen some people entertain the idea of keeping the houses mostly intact but with heads that are of our bloodline. Yet that is a different issue that'll have to be seen after the war is over.
>reasons for helping coup the government
They felt like they could successfully overthrow the Throne. Regardless if they were coerced into it or not, they are collaborating on it with the full intent to topple the dynasty. Any offer they take now is not on the basis of loyalty or doing the right thing, but on opportunism and survival. Would they align with any enemy again if they think they had a reasonable chance to succeed? What does this tell any other house that might be plot in the future against us if this current action is made?
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>>5904358
>No. After all of his gallivanting, he’ll be staying put in the palace.
Can't have you die in a civil war, son.
>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.
Clemency is ok, but propaganda is way better long term (if we get a good roll. Most this shit is about rolls, fuck I can't imagine what would happen if we get a crit fail on clemency).
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
Not pushing our luck with the dice.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
No loose ends.
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>>5904438
Also if they really wanted to be free from coercion or backroom dealings why don't they just surrender? We accepted the surrender of the Rothsfords, if they were to just ask we'd likely accept as well.
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>>5904358
>>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
roberts fleet
>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network
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>>5904380
>He got a 19 on d20 to avoid death
that man is based his family better get bonus to age checks lmao
I really want to bury the hachet with him now
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
Harold

>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.

>Contribute some of their treasury to the Empire. This will annoy them but they’re almost certain to comply.

>Attempt to sabotage an enemy planet’s defenses.
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
Lewis Phillips

>Conscript some of the civilian vessels into militia. This may frustrate the masses, but you need guns.
>Grant a fleet to the Empire’s direct control. This will enrage them, but they’re likely to comply.

>Attempt to assassinate an enemy admiral.
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
Robert's

>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.

>Attempt to assassinate an enemy admiral.
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>>5904859
+ >Contribute some of their treasury to the Empire. This will annoy them but they’re almost certain to comply.
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>>5904358
>Yes. You won’t begrudge the boy his aggression. (Which fleet?)
>Focus on propagandizing the Empire, providing proof of your legitimacy through the false Emperor’s demise.
>Contribute some of their treasury to the Empire. This will annoy them but they’re almost certain to comply.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
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>>5904431
There are no rules on neutral systems, save for what you can get away with. You can pass through them and engage enemy fleets in the area without issue, though garrisoning fleets is likely to make the neutral faction owning them concerned. The exception to this is factions that are friendly but neutral in the conflict, who are glad to help you. For now, only Hookware Corp qualifies.

>>5904483
Otto has mastered the basics of naval command and is a competent captain, but doesn't have the knack for broad-spectrum multi-tasking needed to be a skilled admiral. This would leave him onboard a fleet and he'd participate in any ground invasions it fought, but would also die if that fleet was destroyed. I should've been less vague in the writing for that, now I'm rereading it.

I'll be updating very shortly.
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>>5904361
>>5904365
>>5904372
>>5904404
>>5904416
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>>5905109
You grant Otto leave to board Robert's fleet. He's grateful for your consideration and seems even more humbled than he was after his training under House Arthen. His voyage in the Lost Reaches must've changed the boy. Although, at his age, well into his 40s, you suppose he's no longer a boy. By the throne, you are getting old.

Propaganda is key to state cohesion. The death of the false Emperor must be exploited to the furthest extent. You immediately begin planning speeches and declarations, which will then trickle down into holo-media and the archaic, low-tech articles of the written word. If an Emperor cannot mesmerize the masses by his will alone, either he lacks the mandate of the cosmos, or his subjects lack discipline.

You are tempted to ask your subordinate houses for financial assistance but opt against it. Your finances are doing... well, they are doing, and that shall have to do. Otto's plunder may have prevented a period of insolvency, should this war continue. The loss of the rebel house's contribution to the economy has done severe damage.

House Rothsford's spy network remains and must be eradicated at the earliest possible convenience. However, you recognize that many agents may be greedy and hold no loyalty to House Rothsford. These may yet be subverted. You task House Nightshayd to commence operations immediately.

As for the armada, you decide to consolidate everything you have into one crushing force and make for Subregion Lrypso, to annihilate the forces of House De Croize, should they continue to resist.

>1d6+2 to Propagandize. +1 [Ruling Dynasty], +1 [Recent Major Victory]
>1d6+1 for House Nightshayd to . +1 [Spy Network]
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Rolled 3, 2, 4 = 9 (3d6)

>>5905358
>Enemy Turn:

The Tripartite Entente attempts to salvage the situation!

House Ustong attempts to hire cheap mercenaries with the promise of land!

House De Croize attempts to beseech House Arthen for material aid!

The Rothsford spy network attempts to assassinate Oskar Schafer II!

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6+1 for House Ustong to hire mercenaries. +1 [Noble Prestige], +2 [Generous Terms], -2 [Severe Odds]
>1d6+1 for House De Croize to enact diplomacy. +1 [Noble Prestige]
>1d6-1 for House Rothsford to assassinate Oskar Schafer II. +1 [Spy Network], -2 [Active Admiral]
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5905358

propaganda
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>>5905363
Fucking knew we were gonna roll shit on this.
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Rolled 2 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5905361
anti-spy
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5905361
>>5905367
Well now this roll is useless
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>>5905361
So a 4 from Ustong, 3 from De Croize and 3 from Rothsford
>>5905369
Divine comedy
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>>5905363
>>5905367
It seems that the propaganda had a marginal effect while the spy ring is gonna need more work while Tripartite got a few cheap mercs, some pity for Arthen and I assume a failed assassination
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>>5905379
No, 1's are apparently shit no matter how good the modifiers are.
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>>5905382
Oh yeah then the propaganda was shit then
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>try shilling against hostile faction
>utterly fail not once
>not twice
>but THREE TIMES
Maybe we should keep a lid on our propaganda machine from hereon out, it's clearly broken.
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>>5905361
House Ustong manages to sway the former mercenaries of House Rothsford to embrace their banner.

"Lord" Dawson joins their armada in Subregion Ouferet!

>Mercenary Fleet: "Lord" Dawson, captaining his flagship 'Sooner or Later'. The bastard of a minor house with delusions of prestige, styling himself as generalissimo and wearing an ornate uniform wherever he goes.
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]

According to your contacts in House Arthen, upon hearing their plea, Lughan stood from his seat and spit on the De Croize emissary! They will receive nothing!

The assassins of House Rothsford fail to execute Oskar Schafer II, as he's paranoid and secretly to even the agents of the throne, kept a body double! The members who exposed themselves to open an opportunity are immediately arrested! Oskar Schafer II resolves to pay half of his salary for the year to the now-dead body double's wife and children.

You make a moving speech, encouraging the masses to forsake their close-minded past and look forward to a new, enlightened future where every species can kneel to the throne as equals in servitude. Somehow, this failed to have the desired effect and backfires!

Several Minor Houses have pledged to join the Tripartite Entente! Subregion Perdita has fallen! The traitors have mustered a fleet!

>Minor Noble Fleet: Thaddeus Garbrandt, captaining his flagship, 'Skulls of Our Forefathers'. The patriarch of an obscure house known for its engine manufacturing, risen to prominence for his rabid xenophobia and bold rhetoric.

>Initiative:
>The Eternal Empire: 5
>House Ustong: 3
>House De Croize: 3
>Minor Rebels: 6

>Minor Rebel's Turn:

The Minor Noble fleet under Thaddeus Garbandt launches an invasion of Subregion Enarvis! They use heavy bombardment!

>Minor Noble's roll 1d6+2 for bombardment. +2 [Heavy Bombardment]

Subregion Enarvis is reduced to 1/8 Resolve! House Lochstrum is wary!

>The Eternal Empire's Turn:

The Eternal Empire's pacification of the Gilded Belt catches the Tripartite Entente by surprise! The imperial armada reinforces Subregion Lrypso! Battle is joined against the De Croize armada under Lionel De Croize!

The Empire holds an overwhelming advantage!

Do you wish to directly command the fight?

>Yes. You will grind the rebel scum to dust!
>No. You are confident in the imperial navy.
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>>5905407
>No. You are confident in the imperial navy.
Sigh. More fires to put out.
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>>5905407
>somehow deleted this section

House Nightshayd targets the House Rothsford spy network, only to find that only a small amount of them are contained in the nobility. Rather, they are focused on financial institutions, where Nightshayd's grip is weaker. The traitor scum evade justice for now. In part because Nightshayd isn't able to easily discern who is and who isn't working for Rothsford or a separate, petty criminal gang or marketing scheme. This slows their efforts somewhat, but Gerardo is confident in his bloodline.
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>>5905407
QM this armada contains all our fleets right? One from Oskar and the other from Angelica? What do we miss out exactly if we don’t take command since this looks like a no brainer
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>>5905407
>Yes. You will grind the rebel scum to dust!
As in Albin goes with them or we the players controlling the fleet? I suspect the latter but I want to know for sure.
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>>5905416
It does, yeah. You wouldn't miss out on anything but a bit of flavour text. Some odds are too overwhelming to resist.
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>>5905407
>Yes. You will grind the rebel scum to dust!
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>>5905407
>Yes. You will grind the rebel scum to dust!
>>5905408
Look on the bright side anon, we are about to obliterate half the De Croize fleet and these guys look like they are gonna keep splitting their fleets. Although next turn we are gonna have to save house Lochstrum
>>5905420
Yeah but I wanna see it live
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>>5905407
>Yes. You will grind the rebel scum to dust!
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>>5905417
Albin is currently in the imperial palace on Mars working through mountains of paperwork. This would be the players controlling Angelica, but the battle is quite lopsided so I figured I'd see if you wanted to save on time.

I've done some more thinking about the mechanics for withdrawal as well. How it'll work from here on out is-
>If a fleet wishes to withdraw, they roll 1d6 to escape, in a separate post to their combat rolls. On a 6, they succeed, escaping via a successful shunting at the start of their turn. Each successive turn attempting to withdraw, they gain +1 to the roll. If a fleet has withdrawn and suffered damage, it must roll morale to continue fighting.

>>5905425
So be it! I like lopsided encounters as well. I'm a bit busy but we can start resolving this as soon as I get on my lunchbreak for the day.
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>>5905363
>>5905406
>>5905407
Our entire propaganda team should be executed. Fucking Alphonse did a better job by himself than any of these production teams.
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>>5905425
Hopefully us coming to bail out Soluton in overwhelming force should convince Lochstrum to hold out for a bit longer if their holding does fall.

We should have taken the opportunity to split off our damaged fleets and have them rest and repair. I'm not sure on the rules on combat in neutral systems, whether we could leave them at Tennsey and come back later or if we'd need to leave behind an intact fleet or two to protect them.
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>>5905432
I'd rather we keep the deathstack together and steamroll their fleets to be honest.
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>>5905432
If you left a damaged fleet in Subregion Tennsey, the Hooker fleets would attempt to defend it from aggressors. If it was in another friendly system that didn't have a garrison, it would have to defend itself.
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>>5905431
Support
>>5905432
It depends, if the other houses don’t dogpile on house Lochstrum after our turn and finish it off and we get first on next turns initiative we can save their home. Either way I don’t like how they got 2 new fleets meaning that after we destroy these 2 they still have 8 total, I just really hope Lungham dies and we can finally bring Arthen in.

Either way, QM said hookware would allow us to rest at their world since they are friendly with us because of the charter.
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>>5905435
We would have been in overwhelming force regardless, it would have just been a good opportunity to send a couple of fleets for R&R at a time where they wouldn't really be missed that badly. Speaking of which, I need to update the pastebin.

>>5905437
It was more about whether enemy fleets would be permitted to attack any fleets we left behind in a neutral system. With Hookware's four guard fleets and friendly shipyard, it sounds like Tennsey is just about the best place in the galaxy to leave damaged fleet assets for repairs.
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>>5905436
Has a the Entente proclaimed a new emperor by the way?
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>>5905439
Not yet, the Tripartite Entente is too disunited.
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>>5905443
Thought of another question, if we succed in usurping/destroying the Rothsford intelligence network then will they no longer have turns?
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>>5905457
They'll cease to exist as an organization and will stop having turns, yes. Their spy network also has the option to try to dismantle House Nightshayd but they're embedded so deeply into the Empire it would take several successes in a row.
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>>5905408
>>5905417
>>5905423
>>5905425
>>5905426
>>5905431
>>5905437
You are so frustrated with the failings of your propaganda department you consider having them executed. You don't follow through for the sole reason that it could prove even more controversial than letting them live. You'll consider this in more detail, later. For now, you must focus on the duties of an Emperor. Namely, paperwork...

>...

You are Angelica Heinrich, secondborn daughter of Alphonse Heinrich, first Emperor of his line, and Voidmaster of the Eternal Empire by merit of conquering the Federation of Uvarth. The entirety of the imperial armada has gathered to crush the efforts of House De Croize to seize the artisinal shipyards of Lrypso, the beating heart of House Soluton.

You're confident that you've taken the enemy by storm, in overwhelming force. By all rights, this shall be one more victory on your belt!
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>>5905529
You analyze the sensor data.

>The Empire's Armada:
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen)
>Cohesion: 6/6. 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II, Schafer)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 6/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips)
>Cohesion: 5/6. Rolls 1d6+1. +1 [Military Skill]
>Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich)
>Cohesion: 8/10. 1d6+3. +1 [Imperial Heir's Presence], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)
>Cohesion: 3/8. 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Lochstrum Fleet (Galileo Lochstrum)
>Cohesion: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

This is the largest force you've ever commanded in battle, and it is made up of fine vessels. Victory is a certainty. The only question is time and casualties.

>House De Croize's Armada:
>De Croize Fleet (Lionel De Croize)
>Cohesion: 10/10. 1d6+3. +1 [Armada Flagship], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Mercenary Fleet ("Iron Slab" Chukka)
>Cohesion: 8/8. 1d6+2. +1 [Pricey Equipment], +1 [Military Skill]

The enemy has a solid, professional force. In a stroke of poor luck for them, they're outnumbered five-to-one in hostile territory. You're preparing to destroy them so utterly their descendants to the tenth generation will wince on the anniversary of this day, but receive an unencrypted transmission from the enemy flagship. The speaker is Lionel himself, and he has the most emotionless, by rote manner of speaking you've ever heard. You spare a second to listen.

"Voidmaster Angelica, I am no fool. The logistics are against us. The fleets under your command are too numerous and well-equipped to resist. It would be illogical to fight any longer. I offer a full surrender, effective immediately."

You consider the offer.

>Accept it, and put them under arrest. This De Croize may not have been wise enough to obey the throne, but he's smart enough to know when a fight is lost.
>Reject it, and commence the assault! The De Croize have spurned the throne on Mars to commit high treason, and the wages of treachery are death!
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>>5905531
>Accept it, and put them under arrest. This De Croize may not have been wise enough to obey the throne, but he's smart enough to know when a fight is lost.
Two free fleets? Sign me up.
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>>5905531
>>5905534
Just make sure they can't pull a fast one yeah?
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>>5905531
>Accept it, and put them under arrest. This De Croize may not have been wise enough to obey the throne, but he's smart enough to know when a fight is lost.
Take the fleets for ourselves, massive win for us
>>5905541
Yeah obviously, send only a few marines to take control of their ships and arrest the crew and such.
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>>5905531
>Accept it, and put them under arrest. This De Croize may not have been wise enough to obey the throne, but he's smart enough to know when a fight is lost.
So what are we going to do with these guys? Find somewhere to intern them for the duration of the war? Try to seize the ships without them being Scapa Flow'd? And what of the mercs?
Also, after this, send Thomas to Tennsey. He's too battered to want to send into battle.
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Rolled 1, 1 = 2 (2d6)

>>5905534
>>5905541
>>5905551
>>5905555
You accept their offer of surrender but are cautious, and make to seize their vessels swiftly. Rather than approach for confiscation, they power their thrusters and attempt to initiate an emergency hypershunt! You slam your fist on the armrest of the captain's chair.

"Bastards!"

If you have any consolation, it's that you saw through their deceit and forced them to rush the attempt!

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6+0 for Lionel to Escape. +0 [Failed Treachery]
>1d6+0 for Chukka to Escape. +0 [Failed Treachery]
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5905570
Lol. Lmao.
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>>5905570
skill issue'd
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>>5905570
kek
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>5905570
Both suffer a sudden engine failure! This is either a miracle or sabotage! It's certainly not a coincidence!

None can stand against the Emperor!

>Their fleets will be unable to initiate a hypershunt for 1d2 turns

You immediately move the armada to strike! With your overwhelming advantage, you have the momentum to consider seizing the enemy's ships rather than shattering them outright. This would be peculiar, as you have comparatively little training for it, but it would be quite flashy.

How should you approach the battle?

>Conventionally. Seek and destroy with extreme prejudice. (Standard mechanics, the enemy will be annihilated)
>Piratically. The crew are filth but their fleets may yet be valuable. (Pin the enemy, then initiate ground combat, in space)
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>>5905579
>Piratically. The crew are filth but their fleets may yet be valuable. (Pin the enemy, then initiate ground combat, in space)
If we do this, it would be super funny and useful to us.
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>>5905579
>Piratically. The crew are filth but their fleets may yet be valuable. (Pin the enemy, then initiate ground combat, in space)
Perform an encircling maneuver and suggest that they should make their surrender a real one. After that abortive attempt at treachery, they should be reconsidering their decision...
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>>5905579
>Piratically. The crew are filth but their fleets may yet be valuable. (Pin the enemy, then initiate ground combat, in space)
RELEASE THE OTTO
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>>5905579
>>5905587
Even if the leadership has a deathwish, I dount their crews are as willing to throw away their lives so ingloriously.
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>>5905579
>Piratically. The crew are filth but their fleets may yet be valuable. (Pin the enemy, then initiate ground combat, in space)
These rolls have been hilarious.
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>>5905579
I really hope we get some sort of short story or IC explanation and or reaction from the people onboard the ships for this cause this is absolutely hilarious.

>Piratically. The crew are filth but their fleets may yet be valuable. (Pin the enemy, then initiate ground combat, in space)
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Rolled 6, 4 = 10 (2d6)

>>5905585
>>5905587
>>5905595
>>5905609
>>5905612
If these fleets were dimensionally stranded by sabotage, it would be ignominious to shatter them and catch those responsible, be they loyalists or incompetents, in the crossfire. You decide that a piratical approach is best. Once Otto is aware, he'll no-doubt be beside himself with glee. The stone-faced butcher, though you'll always think of your nephew as a boy, might even crack a smile.

Your armada quickly surrounds the enemy, and you issue a transmission of your own.

"Lionel-" You ignore whatever title he lays claim to, speaking to the liar like you're scolding a child, "-I suggest you make your surrender a real one. After that abortive attempt at treachery, you should be reconsidering your decision."

There's a moment of silence as the message crosses the void.

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6-3 for Lionel to keep the will to fight. +1 [Noble Dignity], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -2 [Failed Plan]
>1d6-3 for Chukka to keep the will to fight. +1 [Elite Professionalism], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -2 [Failed Plan]
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>>5905614
So Lionel will keep fighting but I wonder if part of the crew will mutiny?
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>>5905614
Chukka has balls. But his brain is bigger.
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>>5905619

Hopefully we can take him alive for maximum morale damage to the rebels
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>>5905647
If their failure is a result of saboteurs then hopefully they can take him hostage in the middle of the fight. It's plausible even if not probable.
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>>5905614
A few moments later, you receive their responses. "Iron Slab" Chukka is the first and his voice rather reminds you of the wastrel, Gus. Unlike his, it's dripping with fear. You relish the sound.

"Ma'am, I jus' wanna say-uh, it-ah... it-ah wasn't personal, y'know! They offered me as much beryllium 's I could fit in mah hull, n' full medical for mah men! Said it'd be in-n'-out, fast raid, real quick-like. Didn't realize I's signin' up fer a whole damn system war! I give up!"

Lionel's comes second. His tone is incredibly petulant, on the verge of angry tears. There's a muffled beating and banging in the background. Is he... is he throwing a tantrum?

"NO! NO! NO! My calculations were all flawless! Our synchronous exit SHOULD have caused a localized runaway cascade in the permeous chronospatial membrane! But nooo, NOOO, for SOME reason, instead we're ALL STILL HEEERE!"

"REEEEEEE! This isn't right! This isn't fair! THIS ISN'T RIGHT! THIS ISN'T FAIR!"

After his earlier calm, the outburst nearly stuns you into silence. You speak in a firm, demanding tone.

"Do you surrender?"

His response is nigh-instant.

"CRETINS! IMBECILES! ALL OF YOU! UNWORTHY OF THE NAME DE CROIZE! Stop just standing there! Defragment the quantum chart! Cool the flux-reactor! No, NO, not like that! REEEEEE! WHY ARE YOU ALL LIKE THIS?! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOOOU!"

You frown. "Lionel-"

"IT WAS STILL ON!? SHIT! I'm, uh, sorry you heard that. Umm... No, ma'am, I am not going to surrender, I am going to try to flee to avoid being hung for treason. HANGED! Hanged for treason! The grammar wasn't right! Now you GIBBERING SIMPLETONS have me looking like an idiot in front of the Voidmast-"
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>>5905657
The transmission cuts out. Huh. You suppose you'll initiate boarding operations, then. There's so many pro-throne ships in the proximity that with their primary engines kaput, they're unable to evade. The various marines and soldiers begin close-quarter operations immediately.

You give them orders to take Lionel alive, if possible. His capture could be a boon to damaging rebel morale.

Even if not for Yannick Junger and your nephew, Otto, they would be doomed. Still, with their remote control of the onboard airlocks and turrets, it's unlikely to be a cakewalk.

To your surprise, a number of the De Croize retinue welcomes your men aboard and lends their assistance! It seems not all of their house are traitors to the throne!

The battle in the void begins!

>Roll 1d6+2 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill], +1 [Famous General]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+1 for imperial forces. +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+6 for Heinrich forces. +1 [Imperial Heir’s Presence], +1 [Martial Tradition], +1 [Famous General], +1 [Warmaster], +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+2 for Soluton forces. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+2 for Soluton forces. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+2 for Lochstrum forces. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Roll 1d6+2 for De Croize forces. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]

The total must be 40 or higher to succeed.
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Rolled 1 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5905659
Otto me boy go
Also that is a really high DC
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Rolled 4 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5905659
Is he gonna bounce the particle beam off the main deflector dish?

Anyway, here's 1st Imperial
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Rolled 6 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5905659
Yannick

>>5905662
Hubris
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>>5905662
I am sorry anons
>>5905664
look on the bright side, you and other anon plus mine only made it so we gotta beat 19 more now.
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Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>5905662
It's a high DC because unlike a planet, a House war-fleet is designed from end-to-end with defensibility in mind, and De Croize is prone to confusing retrofits.
>that 1
Looks like I'm breaking out the chart.
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>>5905667
oh no, I hope that 5 is good for us
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>>5905666
It's what you get for shooting so early.

>>5905667
What does it mean...
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5905659
Imp force five, roll out!

>>5905662
Otto isn’t as accustomed to space combat clearly.
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Rolled 2 (1d10)

>>5905667
Hmm.

>>5905666
Another factor is that unlike a planet, which requires three successive attempts in long campaign, boarding operations tend to be over in a matter of days, or months at most.
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>>5905664
I rolled for them already by a few seconds, do another roll
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>>5905671
Hubris
>>5905673
what do the numbers mean
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>>5905673
>>5905675
Nah we can use them for one of the Solutons.
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>>5905667
>>5905673
Looks like Otto lost most of his face to an enemy's plasma-launcher. He'll make a functional recovery with the best healthcare the Empire can offer but his dashing good looks, courtesy of Heinrich blood, are gone.
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>>5905680
I have learned my lesson, never rolling again
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>>5905682
I mean, something like this was inevitably going to happen at some point.
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>>5905429
>Vote to not directly engage in the battlefield
moves the pace along
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>>5905531
>Accept
Killing a surrending enemy incentives every other foe to fight to the death. a Surrender is a battle win without losing a person or a bullet.
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5905659
2nd Imperial

If Otto ends up hideously scarred, we should get the Solutons to craft him a mask. It can have all sorts of nifty things in it and a mystique of its own and it wouldn't do to have the next Emperor looking like he's had his face reconstructed after having it burned off or something preposterous like that.
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>>5905663
He just might. You can never trust these sciency types...
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>>5905680
Well...
1. Nothing some top-of-the-line plastic surgery can't fix.
or
2. Lean into it and wear a super cool mask like Aurelian in Rome 2 or King Baldwin in real life.

>>5905695
>>5905697
Slowpoke.
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Rolled 2 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5905659
Let's speed this along... Third Imperial.
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>>5905659
Roll thus far, missing rolls will be typed out:
>>5905663
>>5905705
>>5905718
Fourth Imperial
>>5905672
Sixth Imperial
>>5905662
>>5905664
Second Soluton
First Lochstrum
De Croize Mutineers
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>>5905707
Should we keep rolling QM?
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5905659
fourth imperial
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5905659
And Sixth Imperial
I also suppose there's some irony that the DC mutineers are rebelling against a rebellion.

>>5905730
We haven't hit the DC yet
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>>5905735
with this roll it makes the total 38
>>5905736
and now we beat the DC
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5905736
I know, just that that like 3 of us keep rolling again. It does make it a much better pace though.

>>5905738
We still gotta keep rolling I believe so here's Second Soluton...
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>>5905743
Nobody? I don't wanna roll the rest by myself, it feels wrong. And also unpleasant after that 1.
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>>5905659
Roll for De Croize mutineers
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Rolled 5 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5905659
Shite
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>>5905407
Okay, questions for the pastebin. Why is Terminus not recovering any Resolve? Surely it should have gained a few points back over the last two turns. Also, what's the attack roll of the new Minor House fleet?

Lord Dawson's first name had better be Jamie. Actually, better for us if it isn't.
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>>5905680
>otto eats plasma
>somehow doesn't die
>somehow only has relatively superficial injuries
Jesus. At least he'll have some serious battle scars. There is no one alive who is going to talk shit to his face now. What's left of it.

I was gonna crack fun at the literally autistic enemy but someone dooming our boy to a lifetime of Phantom of the Opera cosplay is a bit more important.
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>>5905773
He can go bro it up with Killian in the Ugly Club. Ug Club for short.
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Rolled 2 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5905659
And guess I'll do the Lochstrum forces too to finish off
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>>5905713
There's several possibilities for reconstruction here. You'll have your pick of them at the start of the next turn.

>>5905751
I figure rolling more than once is fine by me if there's a lot of rolls going on, like here, but I'm also hesitant to roll more than once every so often myself in other quests. Hell, even with the conventional Bo3 rolls I generally won't roll if I did during the last bracket of them.

>>5905760
That was a typographical error on my end, Subregion Terminus is at 3/10 Resolve, as the faction's lead admiral wasn't garrisoned there during the last turn. A Subregion doesn't recover Resolve in the same turn that it loses any.

The Minor Noble fleet under Thaddeus Garbrandt has a baseline of 6/6 Cohesion and rolls at 1d6+1, +1 [Military Skill].

I didn't catch the reference but now that you mention it, it occurs to me that I know several Jamies, but none of them are men.

>>5905786
Thank you. I'll start updating now.
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>>5905773
Dooming? He can have plastic surgery to fix it but If I know our boy, he'll take pride in the scarring. I bet he'd like to show it off but he knows that the uppity nobility and the dullard masses don't find it as cool as he does.
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>>5905802
It's just a nod to a classic filk song
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>>5905805
Aha, now I know what you're talking about! It's been years since I've listened to it but I know what you mean.
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PjxMieuRPe4
This one, right? It's a banger. The whole genre's neat, reminds me of the Ode to the Edmund Fitzgerald, almost.
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>>5905813
Yep, it's that one. A lot of the userbase of /tg/ and /qst/ seem to be fans of filk. There's one for just about every occasion.
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>>5905802
>There's several possibilities for reconstruction here. You'll have your pick of them at the start of the next turn
I for one welcome the mask. Perhaps there is one alien mask that he recovered while on his escapades abroad?
RNKDAD (RANK DAD)
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>>5905827
I personally prefer the Baldwin approach
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>>5905663
>>5905664
>>5905705
>>5905718
>>5905735
>>5905672
>>5905736
>>5905743
>>5905786
>>5905758
The engagement for the De Croize fleet is brutal beyond reckoning. Every one of their vessels has been retrofitted to the whims of its captain, with internal formatting at odds with the structure of similar vessels. They are akin to a maze, each and every turn riddled with traps planned or improvised, and mutinous members of House De Croize with their servants, eager to fight.

The De Croize defectors are a cosmos-sent boon to your forces, but they can only do so much.

The imperial forces fight with distinction! In particular, one young private by the name Claus boldly takes command of his unit when his noble leader is killed, capturing an entire cruiser with minimal losses!

Sadly, House Soluton are made martyrs of. The house retinue under Thomas's lead, enraged at the damages done to their territories, press on ahead of their allies! They reap an immense toll on the foe but are driven back, and the admiral himself, who insisted on avenging the fallen of his house, loses his left arm in a pitched sword fight!

Your nephew Otto is as violent as he is reckless. Unlike most aristocratic commanders, he leads from the front and insists on taking only the most vicious battlefields. He killed forty-seven of the De Croize crewmen, thirty-five of them combatants, on his bloody march to the flagship's bridge before he made a deadly misstep. One Tripartite noble, laying in wait around a corner, ambushes him with a plasma launcher! Otto's swift reflexes saved his life, as the heat char-boiled off the lower half of his face rather than his skull!

According to eye-witnesses and gruesome bodycam footage, the imperial heir was driven by adrenaline to lift the traitor and crush his trachea with his bare hands! He then went into shock and demanded stimulants to continue fighting, but his nearby retinue decided to disobey their maimed leader, in favour of forcefully wrestling him down and bringing the Emperor's son back to safety.

The remainder of Heinrich forces were enraged and made a suicidal charge against the enemy, but fell victim to clever flanking maneuvers and subtle carbon monoxide poisoning. While the Heinrich retinue's ground forces were destroyed, this was ultimately a futile but spiteful effort on their part.

It wasn't long after that the fighting came to a close and the ships of the De Croize fleet, as well as Lionel himself, kicking and squealing something about equations, are seized.
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>>5905887
You are secretly proud of Otto for his battle-scars, once the ship surgeons have verified that he's almost guaranteed to recover. In broad function, if not in his visage. The response to his injury is beyond your position as high admiral.

Before you can resume strategic operations, there are a couple of factors to consider.

What should be done with Lionel De Croize?

>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution.
>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start. Though you're careful to avoid any comparisons to Emperor Albin.

What should be done with "Iron Slab" Chukka?

>Execute him as a traitor. The mercenary knew the risks of his contract when he signed it, and is beneath even contempt.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
>...allow him to fight for the throne. The brute has been blubbering nonstop since his capture. "I's beggin' ya, ma'am! I was-ah actin' a fool! I's seen the error-ah mah ways! Please! PLEASE! Lemme make it-ah back up to ya, I'll even do it fer free! I swear on mah mother!"

Besides that, you have a shiny new fleet. (Or two, if the mercenary is punished). Who should these ships go to?

>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
>House Lochstrum: To bring them to parity with their elder peers.
>House Schafer: In recognition of the naval service of their bloodline.
>House Nightshayd: The cutthroats have some navally-inclined sons, enough to crew a fleet.
>House De Croize: Not to those traitors, but the loyalists who would see their lineage redeemed.
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>>5905891
>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start. Though you're careful to avoid any comparisons to Emperor Albin.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
the 10/10 fleet goes to us, the 8/8 to our cousins
The reason why is simple, we let Thomas take this new fleet, bringing them back to full strength and then we send the damaged fleet to Hookware for repairs!
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>>5905891
>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.

>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
I can be convinced to change one of these to De Croize. Probably Soluton, the destroyed fleet was imperial not Soluton right?
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>>5905900
yeah, it was just manned by a Soluton admiral
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>>5905900
Correct, it was an imperial fleet. You could also give one of the captured fleets to the imperial navy, though they're less prestigious than the nobles.
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>>5905900

Supporting
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>>5905897
>>5905901
>>5905902
Then perhaps we can make a switch. Soluton takes the shiny new fleet while we give the Loyalist De Croize the damaged Soluton Fleet and send them to Tennsey for repair and reinforcement.

Everybody wins yeah?
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>>5905906
I don't think Soluton will be happy with us giving that fleet to anyone without their permission
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>>5905891
>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
Lionel isn't still going to lose his head for this, but for now we may have more use for him alive. And this is just business, Chukka. Surely you'd know that.
>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Lochstrum: To bring them to parity with their elder peers.
I want to elevate Lochstrum to a Major House postwar after we bring the hammer down on the Traitor Houses
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>>5905906
This is possible, in theory, but House Soluton would need a fair amount of convincing to surrender their fleet to another house, especially as they've been bombing their core worlds.
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>>5905910
>>5905912
The alternative is giving it to De Croize, would they be so unwilling to give up a damaged fleet for a new one? Though it's just an idea. Ultimately, I maintain my vote.

>>5905911
No elevating more nobility, it defeats the purpose of this war.
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>>5905891
I love how Lionel De Croize on the surface is a calm collected noble a clever genius worthy of his position then you peel back the curtains and the guy just ends up being a autistic spoiled manchild who bitches and garbles nonsense the moment things don't go his way.

Anyway

>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
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>>5905919
Why is the alternative giving it to De Croize? Just send it to Tennesy for repairs and if lucky it will be ready soon, either way with this we increase our fleet by 1 and Soluton is back in full force.
Also Lochstrum is already a major house and elevating nobility wouldn't be bad for us especially if they were loyal.
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>>5905919
Most noble houses would be content to make the trade, but House Soluton hand-forges each of its ships and has a deep attachment to them, to the extent their house is partly defined by it. If Lrypso were to be seized, they'd likely capitulate to avoid the destruction of their ancestral shipyards.
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>>5905919
The purpose of this war is to break the disloyal houses. I want to really kick them to the kerb afterwards, so we'll need to fill the vacuum, and who else to do that other than up and coming allied houses?

Though speaking of elevating nobility, Claus could be a new Junger if he keeps this up.
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>>5905930
Alternative in their minds anon, it's a negotiation tactic.

>>5905935
We'll fill up the vacuum ourselves of course! I already said this before, Im aiming for an absolute monarchy not feudalism. I don't want us to have more powerful allied houses to manage.
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>>5905945
but anon feudalism is awesome!
Jokes aside I do agree with centralization but even when we win this war it will be a hard push, that's why I want Loyal houses with us so no one else can contest us in the nobility while also keeping some allies with the +2 modifiers in the back.
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>>5905891
>>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution.
>...allow him to fight for the throne. The brute has been blubbering nonstop since his capture. "I's beggin' ya, ma'am! I was-ah actin' a fool! I's seen the error-ah mah ways! Please! PLEASE! Lemme make it-ah back up to ya, I'll even do it fer free! I swear on mah mother!"
>House De Croize: Not to those traitors, but the loyalists who would see their lineage redeemed.
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>>5905891
>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
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anons please don't execute anyone because if one of ours falls in their hands guess what will happen
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>>5905991
>>5905921
>>5905958
>>5905984
Yeah, save the executions for after the civil war anons.
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>>5905993
Fineeee we better murder him after though.

>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start.
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>>5905891
>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution.
>Execute him as a traitor. The mercenary knew the risks of his contract when he signed it, and is beneath even contempt.
>House Schafer: In recognition of the naval service of their bloodline.
>House Nightshayd: The cutthroats have some navally-inclined sons, enough to crew a fleet.
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>>5905891
>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution.
>Execute him as a traitor. The mercenary knew the risks of his contract when he signed it, and is beneath even contempt.

>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
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>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.

We can have a glorious public execution after the war. Right now, it behooves us to maintain the tradition of taking prisoners.
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>>5905891

>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.

We can chop heads off when we win the war, for now let us spare them, if for no other reason than it could encourage others to surrender.
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>>5905891
>Imprison him as a hostage. It appears that he was mentally unfit to lead from the start.
>Confiscate his fleet. The imperial armada ought to make better use of it, and he'll be imprisoned, at least until the war is over.
>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
10/10
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
8/8
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>>5905891
>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution.
>Execute him as a traitor. The mercenary knew the risks of his contract when he signed it, and is beneath even contempt.
Alby may be forgiving, but Angelica is not

>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty, as is only fitting.
10/10
>House Soluton: In recognition of the damages done to their house.
8/8
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>>5905887
>He killed forty-seven of the De Croize crewmen, thirty-five of them combatants
Wait, was he killing Janitors and shit? I thought he was trained with knightly honor?
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>>5905891
>Though you're careful to avoid any comparisons to Emperor Albin
Is there an actual Autism stat in this game?
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>>5905891
>Imprison De Croize
Hostages are good assets for encouraging surrender deals or other tactical or propaganda moves
>Have him fight for the throne
He's a mercenary this is basic for them to switch loyalty
>Soluton
Out greatest allies and they have been taken a bunch of hits . they can use it
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>>5906502
>>5906494
>>5906490
I don't know why my id keeps changing, but this is me.
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>>5905950
>>5905945
Would it be possible to over time, via a series of unions, to merge all the great houses (or at least enough of them) into one central giga house?
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>>5906523
That's what Im planning on, continuously integrating our great houses into the administation and with each other. The less great houses we have to integrate the better.
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>>5906527
Between Soluton relative weakness and it's strong loyalty to us I think we should unite them into the house of Heinreich-Soluton (this would be part of the post civil war reformations they may even have us formally starting the transfer of power to Otto)
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>>5906530
Unite them into the Soluton power you mean? I don't think we can do a full house union but I want more marriages between Solutons and Heinrichs so the distinction between them is more blurred than ever. Otto, Karl and Harold better make a trillion babies...

As for the post-war reformation, we should formally declare the supremacy of the Emperor over the nobility. That by itself won't change much de facto but it tells everybody where the wind is blowing so they better follow or else end up like the Entente families.
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>>5906542
Otto's well on his way to getting old. He needs to get married ASAP, if he can sit still for five minutes and avoid breaking any mirrors.
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>>5906548
Him being old isn't really the problem since men maintain their fertility for much longer than women, especially a testosterone fueled berserker like Otto. The problem is him dying in a war before he can start the heirmaking.
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>>5906489
Everyone that was actively fortifying or trying to delay the attack was cut down barring their immediate surrender. It'd be more accurate to say that thirty-five of them were trained combatants, they were all carrying tools and welding or sabotaging the entryways to buy time. The custodian staff, for the most part, dropped everything and put their hands over their head or picked up a gun and fought with the defectors.

>>5906490
I've been rolling a 4d6 per offspring born on a semi-complex chart of which genes express themselves. There are several possible mental illnesses lurking in swathes of the aristocratic genome, but so is a disproportionate amount of competence due to past nobles obsessively integrating competent people into their bloodlines.

>>5906502
Possibly but not necessarily, that'll depend on how you want to handle it.
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>>5905897
>>5905900
>>5905911
>>5905921
>>5906022
>>5905958
>>5905984
>>5906115
>>5906227
>>5906244
>>5906280
>>5906316
>>5906329
>>5906494
You are disgusted by these two and would like to see them writhing in the pain their treachery is due, then dead, but you stay your hand. If you execute the traitors the moment they fall into your custody, they'll reciprocate in turn. For now, they'll go under arrest.

The De Croize fleet goes to House Heinrich as Otto's sacrifice has earned. The mercenary fleet goes to House Soluton, in recompense of the damages done to their lineage.

The 4th battle of the Civil War has been won!

All of this taken care of, you return to the strategic view. The distances involved are too great to leave the Primus Expanse in swift time, but the center of House De Croize in Subregion Vintrola lies nigh-undefended to your south. Redirecting your armada to strike them would be simple, but some of the fleets are damaged and would benefit greatly from the usage of the Soluton shipyards. No matter your actions, your nephew will be sent to the imperial palace post-haste. Stubborn as he may be, Otto is also the future Emperor.

What should you do?

>Remain garrisoned and assist in relief efforts. (End the Eternal Empire's turn.)
>Commence an invasion of Subregion Vintrola. (Which fleets do you want to send, and which do you want to leave?)
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>>5905891
>Execute him as a traitor. The egghead lied through his teeth and then refused to surrender. Such treachery is worthy only of summary execution.
>Execute him as a traitor. The mercenary knew the risks of his contract when he signed it, and is beneath even contempt.
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>>5906565
>Commence an invasion of Subregion Vintrola. (Which fleets do you want to send, and which do you want to leave?)
Go with all undamaged fleets. Let the damage done rest & repair.
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>>5906565
>Commence an invasion of Subregion Vintrola. (Which fleets do you want to send, and which do you want to leave?)
We go with 1st-4th Imperial Fleets, the Heinrich Fleet, the Lochstrum Fleet and the 1st Soluton Fleet.
The 5th and 6th Imperial Fleets and the 1st Soluton Fleet head to Tennsey for repairs.
Our two new prize fleets head to Enarvis to bail out House Lochstrum - given that news travels slowly, if we've taken the IFFs and naval codes intact, we could spring quite the surprise on Garbrandt. To that end, who leads the two new fleets and what's their preferred tactics?
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>>5906593
*2nd Soluton goes to Vintrola

as an aside, Ustong has just sat there this whole war. What are they doing? Are they having some kind of crisis or are they plotting something?
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>>5906568
>>5906593

Supporting, send only undamaged fleets onwards, and have damaged fleets return for repairs and replenishment
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>>5906602
During the first turn, they were distracted by the ERC and in the current, second turn, they haven't yet taken theirs. Neither has De Croize. Both will be acting once you're finished. Then we'll continue on into the third. This civil war has been fought for two years so far. At the current rate, it's likely to be half a decade before it's resolved.
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>>5906606
Isn't this the third turn?
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>>5906565
>Commence an invasion of Subregion Vintrola. (Which fleets do you want to send, and which do you want to leave?)
The entire Armada except the severely damaged Soluton fleet which goes to Tennesy
I do not want to split up the armada as that is our saving grace in this civil war and if we bring the entire fleet with us then it means we get a bigger modifier to destroying their resolve
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>>5906607
No, but you did do an extreme amount of damage in the first turn. It's the second turn but there have been a lot of actions from the various factions per turn. It's been a clusterfuck but most civil wars are.

Here's the current timeline, as I've been tracking it:
>Tripartite Entente is declared, primarily over taxes and corps
>Turn 1:
>ERC distracts Ustong, Nightshayd assassinates Ezekiel
>Imperial Armada is divided into two, Oskar II Schafer's part forces a surrender from El-Yaniv, Angelica Heinrich's part destroys the garrison over Jaifah
>Turn 2:
>Emperor Albin fails propaganda, Nightshayd fails to dismantle Rothsford spy network
>Minor Nobles rebel, Thaddeus Garbrandt invades Enarvis
>Imperial armada reunites and reinforces Lrypso, capturing Lionel and Chukka's fleets
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>>5906568
+1
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>>5906606
>>5906617
Is the De Croize leadership in Vintrola? Because otherwise I'd rather we go after the other half of the De Croize naval assets.
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>>5906565
>Remain garrisoned and assist in relief efforts. (End the Eternal Empire's turn.)
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>>5906565
>>5906615
Actually I change my vote to
>Remain garrisoned and assist in relief efforts. (End the Eternal Empire's turn.)
Anons the Soluton throne is low on resolve, and it’s De Croize and Ustong turn next so if we split up the Armada they could pick us off and if we leave the Solutons then they could just snipe the remaining resolve and force a surrender
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>>5906624
Yes, as it's the center of House De Croize. Much like how the imperial dynasty, House Heinrich is on Mars and the higher leadership of House Rothsford was on El-Yaniv.
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>>5906627
That is a good point but we'll have to sit here for the next three turns to bring them back up to full and House Lochstrum is also in danger of capitulating unless we reinforce them stat.
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>>5906627
>>5906631
Hmmm... would the Soluton leadership be willing to get on our ships?
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>>5906635
It's been said that the Soluton leadership cares very deeply about their shipyards and could be easily forced to surrender by threatening to blow them up. Simply evacuating the leadership doesn't solve that.
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>>5906631
QM, since it takes awhile for news to travel, is it possible that the other half of the De Croize fleet would jump to the Soluton home world even with our entire Armada here to reinforce Lionel?
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>>5906617
>>5906643
Furthermore, since we possess both Lionel’s ship and Lionel himself, can we send out a fake message to the other fleets to lure them to where the Armada is currently?
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>>5906643
This is something I thought of too, maybe we could spread misinformation and set up a trap for them here. That way we can both get rid of their remaining naval assets and also protect the Soluton Homeworld.
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>>5906635
It's unlikely, as the nobles need to continue managing their house's territories and coordinating supplies to their fleets. If they evacuated, they might be safer but their planets would also be left to the common bureaucracy.

>>5906643
It is highly possible. The slowness of FTL communication is the reason for the initiative system. Every faction chooses its actions at the start of the turn and they're then resolved in a random order.

>>5906650
You could attempt to, especially with the De Croize defectors. Lionel is less than cooperative but you could circumvent him entirely with a lesser captain or try to coerce him into assistance.
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>>5906661
Oh then can we do that right now?
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>>5906661
I think the best thing to coerce him with is unironically to threaten to release the audio of his tantrum. I think he cares more about his ego than anything else.
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More questions for the pastebin:
Who is leading the two new fleets we just yoinked and what are their preferred tactics?
And what Cohesion and attack rolls do they have? Same as they were under their original owners?
Did we capture the necessary IFF and communications codes from the fleets to pose as friendly assets, at least at first?
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>>5906663
As the De Croize haven't had their turn, you could easily attempt to subvert. If they'd already moved their fleets, this would be more complicated.

>>5906665
There are a lot of angles you could take with it.
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>>5906669
>As the De Croize haven't had their turn, you could easily attempt to subvert.
>There are a lot of angles you could take with it.
Let's do it then.

>>5906565
>You ambushed your enemies before, you will do so again. And now you have an even juicier bait to tempt them with!
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>>5906565
>>5906627
Once again I change my vote to supporting
>>5906673
We have Lionel’s and the mercs fleet, their IFFs, Lionel himself and loyalist de croizes we can just ambush the rest of their fleet. We would still be remaining in the Soluton system to so 2 for 1 here
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>>5906668
>>5906593
>>5906668
Here are the admirals.

>Heinrich Fleet: Gregor Heinrich, captaining confiscated flagship 'Cosmos Providence'. A cantankerous widower into his 60s, whose wife died in a habitat collapse on their remote estate. Boasts of an extensive career in the imperial navy and no intention to ever remarry.
>Heinrich Fleet: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Preferred Tactic: Defend

>Soluton Fleet: Nathaniel Soluton, captaining confiscated flagship 'Feast on Glory'. A young captain just starting his career, but with the connections to gain the position on raw talent. Notably, a minor shareholder of Loca Corp.
>Soluton Fleet: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Preferred Tactic: Feint

The [Pricey Equipment] modifier is equivalent to [House Retinue], but is influenced by the perspective of the nobles themselves. Because most don't believe mercenaries could match their skill, they believe any parity must owe to superior tonnage.

You did capture the necessary IFF codes to convincingly pose as loyal to House De Croize, though the presence of your other fleets would raise some eyebrows, it's possible you could setup an ambush.
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>>5906677
>though the presence of your other fleets would raise some eyebrows
I was thinking we would ambush them when they finish their FTL. Pretending this whole armada is De Croize is too fishy.

Also where did the 2hp of Lionel's confiscated fleet go?
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>>5906680
>I was thinking we would ambush them when they finish their FTL.
That's what I'd assumed. Pulling off an ambush wouldn't be guaranteed but luring them into the system would all-but guarantee a devastating blow to House De Croize.

>Also where did the 2hp of Lionel's confiscated fleet go?
Lionel's fleet had an extra +2 Cohesion and +1 to combat due to its status as armada flagship. As part of the armada, it's a fine fleet but unremarkable.
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>>5906680
>To do that, we'd have to figure out how to actually lure them to Lrypso
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>>5906685
>That's what I'd assumed.
Than the "presence of other fleets would raise an eyebrow" point is irrelevant.

>Pulling off an ambush wouldn't be guaranteed but luring them into the system would all-but guarantee a devastating blow to House De Croize.
Which is exactly why we should do it.

>>5906568
>>5906593
>>5906603
>>5906621
>>5906625
What say you anons? Yay or nay?

>>5906689
QM said we could do it, most likely by a courier ship carrying IFF codes and a message from Lionel.
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>>5906695
I could support attempting to pull am ambush, but I also really do not want to abandon Lochstrum to fall.
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>What do you MEAN that the imperial heir survived a PLASMA ROUND to his FACE!?
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>>5906699
I think it's worth it under these circumstances.
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>>5906703
I disagree. It's one single fleet attacking them, we only need to spare one or two fleets to take it out - we do not need our entire armada here to take on a couple of enemy fleets. And if Lochstrum pulls out, that loses us a fleet anyway.
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>>5906705
Then how about this: We send some fleets over there to swat the minor nobles away but keep the bulk of the armada here.
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>>5906707
That is what I initially wanted to do. Though this leaves the question of which fleets to send, since we don't know the preferred Garbrandt's preferred tactic. Charge, perhaps?
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>>5906705
>>5906707
We can send Seamus and Galileo over there, provided we tell Galileo to [CHARGE] instead of defend.

Garbrandt will either Feint or Charge so Charging ourselves will be a tactical match at worse and a counter at best.
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>>5906723
>>5906727
In fact, send Robert as well. Just to guarantee it.
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>>5906727
anon, its the De Croize and Ustong turn next, though we are planning on luring De Croize in the entire Ustong fleet could port right atop our detached force
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>>5906739
1.The De Croize would arrive here first
2.The Entente is disunited and don't trust each other so the likelyhood of them coordinating such a move is diminished.
3.The Ustong only have 5 fleets in total.
4.If the Ustong do come here, the likelyhood that they would commit all 5 fleets to this region is very very small.

We can do it anon. Plus, it's either this or let the current opportunity go to waste since only with the support of 1MaPnnLF can we seemingly take advantage of it.
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>>5906746
Ustong has four fleets, unless I've forgotten to add one to the list somewhere?
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>>5906764
They got a new merc one on their last turn. Here: >>5905407
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>>5906746
>>5906766
think about it like this anon, if we ambush the De Croizes if they come here, we can make them surrender and get even more ships, and then lure the Ustong fleet here too.
That is a pretty far fetched but we could probably lure Ustong here even with Lionels IFF
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>>5906770
How does that contradict what I've proposed? We send three fleets to swat away the minor nobles while ambushing the 2 remaining De Croize fleets here. Yeah it won't be AS overwhelming but we still maintain a massive advantage. Besides, the others don't seem interested in taking this great opportunity so let's cooperate with 1MaPnnLF.
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>>5906766
Ah, I had them listed on the 'bin as serving under DC.

Also, I don't think we'd encounter anyone else at Enarvis, since I imagine the Minor Houses are off doing their own thing.
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>>5906778
im just scared that Ustong may do to the detachment what we have been doing to the Tripartite, but by luring the entire Ustong fleet here they have to deal with the entire Armada
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>>5906695

I support the ambush, we’ve been playing very risky during this civil war and it has been mostly working to our great advantage. We’ve won basically every military encounter
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>>5906805
The entire Ustong armada won't be lured here anon, that request would be way too fishy. Plus, why would they move their 5 fleets to reinforce the minor nobles?

Anyway can I count on you and >>5906779 to back the newest plan? It's seemingly the only way to make use of this great opportunity that was presented to us.
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>>5906828
Good good. Yes, the Entente disunity and indeciseveness has greatly rewarded our maneuvers so it only makes sense that we take advantage of it as much as possible.
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>>5906830
Yes. We can do it. The Minor Nobles struggle to even coordinate amongst themselves, let alone with other houses.
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>>5906565
>Send the Deathstack to Vintrola
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>>5906830
Yeah I already switched to voting for you >>5906676 here.
Also De Croize is not a minor house Kek. You are correct though in pulling all of them, we could lie and say there is a chance to ambush the Armada but pulling any amount of fleets is still good anon
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>>5906934
You were hesitating about the amended plan. The part about minor house is Ustong reinforcing the minor nobles in Lochstrum territory. No chance they reinforce the De Croize in time for the same reason that we can't ambush Ustong here, they're too far away from each other.

>>5906565
Vote count so far:
>>5906673
>>5906676
>>5906828
>>5906874
Ambush Plan
>>5906568
>>5906621
>>5906920
Invasion Plan
>>5906625
Garrison Plan?
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>>5906673
>>5906676
>>5906828
>>5906874
>>5906568
>>5906621
>>5906920
>>5906625
You forgo thoughts of Vintrola for now. The imperial armada is gathered here, where House De Croize expects their allies to be, and you've not only seized one of their house fleets but the codes it uses to identify itself as well. Vintrola will remain for the future. To contrast, this opportunity to blindside the enemy could evaporate at any moment. You must seize the momentum while you can.

It is your duty as acting high admiral and Voidmaster.

You threaten to publicize Lionel's rant if he refuses to cooperate, but the failed admiral is unmoved and refuses to speak. You recognize that look from Albin. To get him to budge would require deep psychological knowledge of the boy, which you lack, or torture, which you cannot enact while adhering to the, admittedly oft-ignored, traditions of noble arrest in wartime. Pity, that. This aggravates you somewhat but is largely irrelevant, as you already have his digitial signature and if push comes to shove, cutting edge holo-visual and voice-synthesizer technology, courtesy of House Nightshayd.

You hope this will go off without a hitch.

>Roll 1d6+1 to deceive the fleets of De Croize. +1 [Spy Network], +1 [Strategic Positioning], +1 [De Croize Codes], -2 [Contradicts Enemy Plan]
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5907507
Hey look a distraction
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>>5907512
Where!?
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>>5907512
Need a new title for Angelica. Shadowmaster?
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>>5907535
Voidmaster, the one with the void

Nightshayd will have to learn from the Heinrichs how to reach the next level of stealth
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>>5907512
I love you (platonically) anon.
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>>5907535
>>5907543
Angelica’s mom is Nightshayd so this is all par for the course clearly. Study tactics in the war college, outplay the practice assassins from your mom’s extended family, apply the lessons from the latter to the former, rinse and repeat.
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>>5907649
her mom is Anna Soluton shes albins sister
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>>5907679
Ah, I screwed up thinking Anna was Nightshayd. I forgot we specifically passed over the Nightshayd option at first and promised our heir (Albin) would marry one instead.

I take it back, Nightshayd should be taking notes on this after all.
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>>5907512
Tripartite sympathizers are once again punching the air
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>>5907512
While you're planning your deceit of the De Croize, it occurs to you that they are first and foremost an intellectual house. Instead of making military overtures, you need to appeal to their sense of reason. More specifically, the dangerous vice of curiosity.

You send a courier staffed by De Croize defectors to Subregion Licciri. They explain that Lionel couldn't join them because during the fighting with an imperial fleet, the gunnery blew part of a moon's surface off, revealing an ancient ruin. Now that Subregion Lrypso has been seized and House Soluton is no longer a threat, they're desperately searching the ruin for an edge, have found signs of mysterious beam technology and require Alexander's expertise at the earliest possible convenience. This works flawlessly and provokes an immediate scramble among the enemy. Your allies among Nightshayd would be proud, and they are.

>House De Croize's Turn:

The armada under Alexander De Croize rushes to Subregion Lrypso to assist in the archeology! They fall into Angelica's trap! Your advantage is overwhelming!

How do you want to resolve this?

>Demand their surrender, using Lionel as a bargaining chip.
>Make another profitable, if risky and piratical boarding attempt.
>Crush them with the armada's massed tonnage.
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>>5907800
>Crush them with the armada's massed tonnage.
We took heavy casualties in the last boarding attempt and they might get away or hostage negotiations go awry. Just blow them up.
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>>5907800
>Demand their surrender, using Lionel as a bargaining chip.

What fuckin ruuubes
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>>5907800
>Demand their surrender, using Lionel as a bargaining chip.
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>>5907800
>Demand their surrender, using Lionel as a bargaining chip.
But demand that they do so fast, before their FTL recharges. Otherwise we'll blow them up.
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>>5907800
>Demand their surrender, using Lionel as a bargaining chip.
If this works we can get another 2 fleets, if not we can just blow them up, make sure to be prepared for an escape attempt
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>>5907800
>>Crush them with the armada's massed tonnage.
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Rolled 4, 4 = 8 (2d6)

>>5907803
>>5907804
>>5907805
>>5907811
>>5907812
At the entry of the De Croize, the imperial armada is revealed in its full might! You issue their flagship a transmission.

"We have Lionel in our custody."

The noble scion stammers. "E-Everything is under control!"

You resist the urge to beat him and continue. "We have you surrounded. Surrender now, or suffer the consequences."

There's a tense minute of silence as your transmissions are received.

>The enemy's roll-
>1d6-1 for Alexander to keep the will to fight. +1 [Noble Dignity], +2 [Terminal Illness], -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -2 [Fell for Treachery]
>1d6-4 for Sebastian to keep the will to fight. -2 [Overwhelming Odds], -2 [Fell for Treachery]
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>>5907821
Shouldn't having Lionel add an additional -1?
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>>5907821
If I am correct and from previous rolls, a 3 is a failure so Alexander would begrudgingly surrender, and Sebastian probably pissed himself
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>>5907821
You receive a response from Alexander. His voice is phlegmy and haggard. Filled with the same despair as the bygone Federation.

"Foolish boy, you've brought us all to ruin! I should've known such a discovery was too good to be true... This venture was ill-conceived from the start. Very well, admiral. I'll surrender and you'll have your bloodless victory. I only ask that our executions be swift and painless."

The mercenaries fold immediately. Sebastian sounds exactly like you'd expected.

"Madam, you have my sincerest apologies! If I'd known you were a genius, I never would've dared keep our contract."

Their fleets are surrendered and confiscated without error.

What should be done with Alexander?

>Execute the traitor. There's no cause to keep either of the noblemen alive, now.
>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.

What should be done with Sebastian?

>Execute the mercenary. There's really no reason not to imprison him like the other hired gun, but you're the Emperor's sister as well as Voidmaster, and can do as you please.
>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.

You've captured so many fleets that keeping them may strain the economy if they're kept in House Heinrich or the Imperial Navy. So much the better, you say.

Which of your allied factions (yourself included) should these new fleets go to?
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>>5907824
It would, yes, if Alexander cared about his cousin.

This entire debacle looks like it may have been the Empire under House Heinrich's greatest victory yet.
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>>5907834
>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.
>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.

>House Nightshayd: The cutthroats have some navally-inclined sons, enough to crew a fleet.
>House De Croize: Not to those traitors, but the loyalists who would see their lineage redeemed.
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>>5907834
>arrest the traitor
If he dies cleanly, the masses may martyr him, if they seem him decay and decline on trial, they will see a weak old man unworthy of fighting in the memory of

>arrest the mercenary

He may be a coward, but all mercenaries are
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>>5907838
And yeah, I'll support the fleet handing out this anon suggests
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>>5907834
>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.
>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.
Their little rebellion is over, let's let Albin deal with the aftermath

>You've captured so many fleets that keeping them may strain the economy if they're kept in House Heinrich or the Imperial Navy. So much the better, you say.
Do we have more fleets to distribute other than these two? Either way, I think the Solutons don't want another substandard fleet, the Nightshayds have little use for a fleet or they would have had at least one by themselves, so I'll suggest
>House De Croize: Not to those traitors, but the loyalists who would see their lineage redeemed.
>The Martial Houses

>>5907837
Yet
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>>5907834
>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.
>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.

>The Minor Martial Houses
Distribute it about to them.
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>>5907842
You only have these two fleets to distribute but you've taken four, with no major naval losses. This will likely be talked about for centuries.
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>>5907844
Do you want to give it to a specific Martial House or disintegrate the fleet into its separate parts, then spread those to slightly strengthen all three?
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>>5907847
nta, but I'd want to distribute the ships equally. No reason to pull one of the Martials above the other two.
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>>5907842
>>5907844
Why should we distribute them to the martial houses when they're not in the civil war?
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>>5907848
Very reasonable. It's in your interest as the ruling dynasty to keep the noble houses weak, just like it's in the noble house's interests to keep themselves strong.

>>5907849
House Rausch, Phillips, and Schafer are participating in the civil war on the side of the throne, although House Arthen has stayed neutral so far.
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>>5907834
>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.
>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.

>The Minor Martial Houses
Distribute it equally between all of them.
>The ERC, what remains of them...
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>>5907849
The Martial Houses are those Alphonse founded from the admirals that put him on the throne and they are still fanatically loyal. I don't think it's possible for a House to be closer to us than they are.
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>>5907847
>Disintegrate the fleet to slightly strengthen the three.
Sounds good to me.

>>5907849
They tend to be pretty loyal, and like the QM said they're (save for Arthen) participating in the war.
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>>5907834
>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.
The politics of noble PoWs is for Albin to figure out later. No reason for Angelica to dirty her hands there.

>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.
They’re not endearing themselves to us with their lack of loyalty, but if enemy houses choose to hire them in the future and they surrender without a fight it’s to our benefit. Keep them around!

>One to the Nightshayd for serving in the war of shadows. They may not have use for another fleet, but if so they’ll funnel it to other houses or mercenaries in exchange for embedding their networks deeper.
>One to House Lochstrum. They answered the call like Soluton and Nightshayd, and they’ll be rewarded with spoils as such.
If the De Croize want any fleets back they can turn to the houses that remained loyal for them after the war is done. Nightshayd may be willing to give theirs back for a price…
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>>5907834

>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.

A highly publicized trial should help with the propaganda effort.

>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.

We have to be nice to ensure that Ustong surrenders too.

Let’s give at least two fleets to Soluton, they’ve really bled for Heinrich over the years.
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>>5907842
support
>>5907856
How are the Martial houses not Majors yet? They have been given planets and loot throughout the Heinrich reign they should be rich enough by now to afford their personal fleets or maybe I am just missing something.
>>5907861
Soluton is just as loyal and maybe even more so. Our cousins have unironically bled the most out of any other ally of ours throughout our wars. I definitely want to marry another one of theirs to Otto in recognition of this.

Either way anons, its clear that Alexander was the real head of the De Croize forces since he definitely knew how Lionel really is and thusly more privy to their secrets and plans. More importantly, however, we also have his IFF so I say we do this again and attempt to lure the Ustongs with all the De Croize and Merc IFFs.
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We are being quite forgiving to the De Croize house. I sincerely hope they appreciate it.
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>>5907879
what are you talking about anon, they are our greatest ally. They neutralized 1/3 of the Tripartite naval force and strengthened the imperial navy by 4 new fleets!
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>>5907882
>when you suck so much shit as a rebel you recieve medals from the empire you were rebelling against
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>>5907882
I think we should abdicate and disinherit Otto. If we put a De Croize or someone else on the throne the civil war will end.
Think about all the fleets that'll be gained!
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>>5907879
We are forgiving the De Croize loyalists which is a fraction of the crew from Lionel's fleet. Everybody else is still on the chopping block.
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>>5907834
>Execute the traitor. There's no cause to keep either of the noblemen alive, now.
>Execute the mercenary. There's really no reason not to imprison him like the other hired gun, but you're the Emperor's sister as well as Voidmaster, and can do as you please.
Guild Artem
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>>5907885
I really want a Mathieu POV after this
>>5907887
The De Croize have always been the Throne's greatest ally, maybe we should say they leaked the false Emperors location for shits and giggles
>>5907890
This
I am willing to slightly forgive Lionel for the fact he has basically done nothing and is probably retarded
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>>5907876
>How are the Martial houses not Majors yet?
I assume it's because the planets they've been given are freshly conquered and will need some time to be productive. It takes some time to grow from zero to Major
>Soluton is just as loyal and maybe even more so.
The Solutons are great allies and have bled more than anyone for us, but I wouldn't put them in the same category. I'd also want to marry Otto to an Arthen to bring them fully to the fold after the old vampire croaks. Albin's pals must have a daughter or a niece who'd be a good fit.
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>>5907882
>>5907890
That's fair.

>>5907887
kek
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>>5907876
The Martial Houses have the territories of a major house but on an imperial timeline, were only recently founded and haven't had the time to have fleets built on a massive, military scale, which is the largest difference between a major and minor house. Even a single frigate requires thousands of technicians doing constant maintenance, an entire war-fleet takes planets' worth of dedicated industry that isn't contributing to the planet owner's domestic economy.

Because Hookware Corp and House Soluton are the only shipyards open to public use, they're a severe bottleneck for gaining naval assets. The former has regular contracts from the imperial navy and major houses it's trying to maintain, while the latter is prohibitively expensive, even if the quality is superior. Making their own large-scale (rather than small and maintenance-focused) shipyards is even costlier.

The Martial Houses holding the imperial military as core to their identity has also had an impact on their inclination to try. Almost every one of their competent sons goes into the army or navy instead of their own forces and have for generations, in a self-perpetuating cycle. They do have enough of their own ships and troops to maintain their local territories, but haven't yet gathered enough of them to make a true war-fleet. Left to their own devices, it's inevitable they'll gain their own House Retinues. The biggest limit on them is time.
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>>5907906
Hopefully after this war then the Martials will become majors and we gain an even more loyal backbone.
We will have to agree to disagree on the Solutons there, as for Otto I don't think we should marry them to the Arthens as not only have they done nothing during this entire war but they haven't done anything since Alphonse came into power. Remember he is the imperial heir and marrying him is a symbol of prestige to a noble house and doing that for them would be pretty unfair to the nobles who have actually been loyal to us. Basically, I want Otto to marry a Soluton to reward them, Karl can marry an Arthen for political reasons.
>>5907911
Ah that explains it. Then it seems that after this war they should have enough of a cash influx to perhaps start ordering some or at least speed up the process by a good margin.
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>>5907834
>Arrest the traitor. He's already doomed, might as well keep him alive for trial.
>Arrest the mercenary. This is standard procedure for these sorts of things, and besides, your allies in House Lochstrum built their line on the same work.
Perhaps we could put both Alexander and Lionel in the same cell to see if they start talking. Else it'll be funny. Not as funny as capturing De Croize's entire naval force with a minimum of fighting, though. Picrel is De Croize HQ when they realise their whole fleet just got stolen.
>House De Croize
>The Martial Houses
The smaller Martial Houses have been stalwart friends of the Throne (whether it's us or someone else) while punching above their weight, and should receive equal parts of the fleet.
Once we've come to a consensus on how to parcel them out, do let us know who'll be leading them and their preferred tactics.

>>5907865
Soluton has three fleets already, I don't think they could support four retinue fleets.

>>5907876
I wouldn't call them Minor Houses - they're definitely players on the galactic scene, but are still well short of the real big boys (see >>5892491), though they don't necessarily have the ambition the politically-inclined houses do - they've dedicated themselves to serving the Imperial military rather than political and territorial jockeying. Individually, they're solid middle powers, collectively they would have the clout of a Major House.
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>>5907915
The Solutons and the Nightshayds hadn't done anything for us either before we agreed to marry. Marriage comes first in a noble house alliance. It's a prerequisite, not a reward.

We can marry Otto's son to a Soluton. An anon had suggested a rotation between the majors to keep them all loyal in the previous thread, and going Soluton -> Nightshayd -> Arthen -> Repeat would work nicely. (And we can add the Martials to this in a few generations when they've grown to be Majors of their own right)
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>>5907927
Correction: we add them to the rotation if they become majors or one of the existing majors is sufficiently integrated into House Heinrich. I'd rather we reward them with generalships, admiralships, other officer positions and titles/medals.
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>>5907922
Angelica will be starring in her own heist movie. The Job? The entire De Croize fleet. Showing in a holo theatre near you!
>>5907927
and yet it was also the Solutons and Nightshayd who offered marriage prospects to us in the first place when our dynasty was first established, without them we would not be where we are today. Also, we are gonna have to throw Lochstrum in that rotation eventually too.
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>>5907930
Fair enough. It's not a decision we'll have to make for another couple generations at least and we can be generous in the ways you mentioned until then.

>>5907931
The Arthens also offered a marriage. It's true that we owe our success in large part to the Solutons and the Nightshayds and the wonderful wives they gave us, but the only reason House Arthen isn't close to us is the personal vendetta of an old fool who refuses to die. Albin is friends with their heir and the philosophies of our houses are very similar. If we extend them a hand now they can become a great ally for Otto and a major asset for our conquests to come.
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>>5907936
No, for Alphonse it was one of the former admiral's daughters not an Arthen. Either way, we will just have to wait until war is over and Otto can finally start doing his duties.
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>>5907942
Ah, yeah. You're right anon, I misremembered
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>>5907944
Its fine, apparently that woman strangled noblemen for questioning her womanhood kek.
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>>5907902
The only negative to suggesting De Croize was on our side is that they bombed Soluton planets, and that suggests we were okay with that. We can say that we’re lying, but the propaganda might be TOO effective and even convince our allies. Becausethis was pretty ridiculous, let’s be real.

Now, having Nightshayd forge evidence that De Croize loyalists leaked the Emperor’s location could still be helpful. The Emperor was a Rothsford, and evidence of De Croize surrendering en-masse due to traps that HAD to be because of traitors along with the forged evidence of the leak (and the light treatment of their planets, which we haven’t bombed once) could have Rothsford spies targeting De Croize instead of us for a turn.
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>>5907991
If that can be done in conjuction with trying to destoy or flip the Rothsford intelligence network then that's a great idea. Otherwise, I think it's better to have Nightshayd simply try again.
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>>5907991
That is true, I mostly said it as a joke or we could just tell Solutons that this is a propaganda piece, either way, we have a shit ton of options because of this circus show.
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>>5907998
It’d work best with those, yes. If they’re targeting De Croize they’re not defending against Nightshayd and the idea they failed to catch the greatest betrayal would be hella demoralizing to their intelligence network.

>>5908003
It shows how ridiculous all of this is that your joke can be played straight and people would be willing to believe it over the truth.
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Rolled 1, 5, 1 = 7 (3d6)

>>5907838
>>5907839
>>5907841
>>5907842
>>5907844
>>5907858
>>5907863
>>5907865
>>5907876
>>5907922
You choose to arrest both Alexander and Sebastian. The Empire would be better off with their death in your eyes, but you aren't the Emperor, and it is not your place to decide. Partitioning the fleets is simple enough. The ships of House De Croize are returned to De Croize, to those loyalists who laid in wait.

>De Croize Fleet: Francis De Croize, captaining confiscated flagship 'Synchronicity'. A belligerent former freighter captain who's long loathed the nobility's superiority complex toward lesser merchants.
>De Croize Fleet: 8/8. Rolls 1d6+2. +1 [House Retinue], +1 [Military Skill]
>Preferred Tactic: Charge

To your surprise, a number of saboteurs and spies reveal themselves in Alexander's fleet and claim to have been for the throne all along. Once vetted, they're allowed to retain their rank and continue in service of the Empire. You see nothing wrong this. Loyalty must be recognized. The judgement of their traitorous lineage will come in time. The ships of Sebastian's mercenary charter are scattered to every angle of the compass, in reward for the Martial Houses. After this, you must cease your campaigning and consolidate. Fortunately, the shipyards of Lrypso lay well in your dynasty's grip...

>House Ustong's Turn:

The Mercenary Fleet under "Ol' Hornswoggle" launches an invasion of Enarvis! They use heavy bombardment!

>Mercenaries roll 1d6+2 for bombardment. +2 [Heavy Bombardment]
>"Ol' Hornswoggle" rolls 8!

Subregion Enarvis is reduced to -7/8 Resolve! Subregion Enarvis has fallen!

The Ustong Fleet under Kane Ustong and Mercenary Fleet under "Lord" Dawson move to reinforce the De Croize in Subregion Licciri. In the absence of any allies to reinforce, they garrison Subregion Licciri!

The Ustong Fleet under Sergio Ustong and Mercenary Fleet under "Hurricane" Axton continue to garrison Subregion Ouferet!

The news of the damages dealt to House De Croize spreads! As does the loss of Subregion Enarvis!

House Lochstrum is devastated!

>Roll 1d6+2 for House Lochstrum to keep the will to fight. +1 [Ruling Dynasty], +1 [Recent Major Victory], +2 [Overwhelming Odds], -2 [Cataclysmic Damage]

>The enemy's roll-
>1d6-1 for "Ol Hornswoggle" to keep the will to fight. +1 [Recent Major Victory], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6-2 for "Hurricane" Axton to keep the will to fight. -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6-2 for "Lord" Dawson to keep the will to fight. -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5908086
eat shit rebs
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>>5908088
It twas us who ate the shit
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>>5908086
Well Hurricane is as tempestuous as his namesake. Sadly everyone around him is a bitch.

>>5908088
Lochstrum, how could you? Don't roll over.
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>>5908088
>>5908089
More like Lochstrum ate shit. A great shame since Ustong just lost 2 fleets, leaving them with 3, so a loyalist victory is imminent.
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>>5908092
Actually, does a 3 keep Hurricane in the fight? If not, then make that 3 fleets lost and 2 remainimg.
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>>5908088
>>5908090
>>5908092
Unironically it does not matter anymore,
If I am correct all the Tripartite has left is the retinue fleets of Kane and Sergio, 3 mercs and the traitor minor retinue. Since Hornswoggle and Dawson ate shit and Axton just barely surrendered at a 3 it just leaves Kane, Ustong and Thaddeus who are all split up. Its better for Lochstrum to give up while their home is being bombarded considering this/next turn the Throne wins the civil war.

Overall: The Tripartite may be the shittiest rebels in existence
>>5908094
Alexander surrendered at a 3 so if he did then so will Axton
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>>5908099
>Unironically it does not matter anymore,
It does matter though. The public perception of them will change. This will stain them for generations to come. No matter how reasonable of them, or how irrelevant, the petty squabbles of nobles will always use it against them.
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>>5908103
Everyone who would use it against them is about to die horribly, and besides they are the only noble house that had their homeworld bombed to oblivion while the Solutons would have surrendered just to keep their shipyards safe.
All I am saying is that while it is bad, it is inconsequential to the outcome of the war.
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>>5908099
>>5908103
>>5908105
It doesn't matter for our victory but it is an optics loss for Lochstrum. Giving up right at the last minute when victory is so close is a bad look. It would be different if they went into hiding or something and kept fighting a guerrila war but I don't think that's happening.
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>>5908103
>>5908105
Furthermore, Lochstrum was the weakest Major and had only just gotten their FIRST retinue fleet which has performed spectacularly so far. This is in comparison to Rothsford who lost all their naval assets and surrendered at the very beginning of the war
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>>5908105
>Everyone who would use it against them is about to die horribly
That is just flat out wrong. The houses siding with us aren't all buddy buddy, they each have their own goals and opinions.

>it is inconsequential to the outcome of the war.
I'm not talking about the war.
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>>5908106
yeah probably, just gotta see what it entails. Maybe there will be something to redeem themselves later.
>>5908108
The Martials would not care, Nightshayd probably does not care and Soluton can't speak since the only reason why they didn't surrender was because we brought the whole armada here.
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>>5908111
I think Nightshayd and Soluton will mostly not care but I disagree on the Martial Houses. I think they'll see it as extremely dishonorable of Lochstrum to surrender under these circumstances.
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>>5908088
Lochstrum turns against us despite our sister's pleas. Interesting.
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>>5908113
yeah, that makes more sense actually
>>5908117
>Switch side
>To the people who just lost a total of 11 fleets
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>>5908117
They can't do an awful lot, their only fleet is currently in the company of the entire Imperial armada. I really don't want to turn our guns on them but they're going to get blasted to scrap if they try. Damn shame if we are forced to blow up their brand new fleet though.

We could have saved them. You could have saved them.
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>>5908129
Just bad luck anon. We only had to roll anything but a 1 for them to not surrender.
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>>5908129
>>5908134
*anything above 2, thought the modifier was +3.
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>>5908134
Of that I'm aware, but I'm no less pissed off that we knowingly allowed this to happen unnecessarily.
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>>5908086
>>5908088
The damages done to House Lochstrum's holdings are too dire to continue! Galileo gnashes his teeth in grief as he breaks ranks with the imperial armada and rushes to reclaim Enarvis at a breakneck pace!

House Lochstrum has lost much of its faith in the Empire's capacity to protect them! Relations with House Lochstrum have fallen. They've gone from close allies of House Heinrich to merely friendly.

According to imperial informants, Subregion Enarvis is no longer under threat. Instead, both enemy fleets in the region chose to flee imperial space after briefly reconvening. Given Thaddeus's nobility and rhetoric, this came as a surprise. After a few weeks, Nightshayd agents are able to piece together what happened.

>https://pastebin.com/2wZktYeC

This is treachery beyond the pale. Needless to say, "Ol' Hornswoggle" is now guilty of piracy as well as treason.

"Hurricane" Axton demanded higher pay to continue fighting for House Ustong. The great house attempted to negotiate.

Seeing the Tripartite Entente as a doomed cause, "Lord" Dawson chose to abandon his contract, issue an apology, and flee imperial space. The Ustong fleet under Kane Ustong didn't attempt to stop him.

>The enemy's roll-
>1d6+0 for Ustong to negotiate. +1 [Noble Prestige], +2 [Generous Terms], -1 [Recent Major Defeat], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

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>>5908134
>>5908136
Im retarded and was right the first time. If it's +2 then anything above a 1 would succeed.

>>5908137
It was part of the opportunity cost to be able to pull off such a great victory against the De Croize.

>>5908140
QM is the one rolling anon...
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>>5908138
During brief but tense negotiations, House Ustong offers to name a planet after "Hurricane" Axton if they survive. This proves sufficient and the mercenary continues to fight for House Ustong.

Time passes as the Empire reckons with the loss of Otto's face and the seizure of the entire De Croize armada...

>The next update will be soon
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>>5908140
>>5908143
My bad sorry.
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My grandfather had a pacemaker installed earlier this morning. They say the surgery went well and I was with him yesterday, but I'm going to clock out of work and run by the hospital to see how he's doing. Turn #3 will be in another few hours, most likely.

>>5908149
No worries, it's all good.
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>>5908143
We have ten fleets there at the time. Ten. We did not need the entire stack, splitting off two or three would have had us still be in overwhelming force for the ambush and not lose us our ally with potential permanent loss of face elsewhere. I also voted for your ambush plan on the understanding that we would specifically do this.
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>>5908138
Pretty sure Hornswoggle’s act has effectively shattered the minor houses that built the fleet. That likely represents generations of their efforts disappearing into the void, with nothing to show for it. Any detractors they have will tear them apart for their folly in joining the war on the losing side.
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>>5908151
It was an eventful few updates QM, what are your thoughts on how this whole thing has been going down?

>>5908154
> I also voted for your ambush plan on the understanding that we would specifically do this.
Hey man, I thought we would do so too.
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Kay, so pastebin questions. Now Hornswoggle has yoinked the Minor House fleet and become a pirate, does this mean both fleets are now out of the enemy roster? And have our damaged fleets regained health by sitting in Lrypso without fighting for a turn?

God, Hornswoggle is going to be a red hot poker in our backsides in the future now he had two full warfleets to his name. He could roll over almost any target.
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>>5908138
>Relations with House Lochstrum have fallen.
We will repair it with loot and blood!
>https://pastebin.com/2wZktYeC
Kek
>>5908143
An opportunity cost that I will happily pay again considering the position we are now in!
Anons there is only 3 fleets left and they are split apart. The Ustong heir is alone in Ouferet while Kane and Axton are right beside us in Licciri. Ouferet has only light fortifications and is the throne of Ustong. With the Lochstrum we have 9 fleets but adding our newly found 3 fleets brings us up to 12. We can finish this war right now.
>>5908155
Karma
>>5908158
He ran away it seems and is no longer part of this war.
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>>5908162
He said "in the future". He's afraid Hornswoggle is gonna be this annoying pirate we can never quite catch.
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>>5908168
I have a feeling he is going to the raider clans holding, the ones where we have had spies embedded in for I think about a century now. If he is not there then I got no idea
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>>5908151
The QM curse strikes again and none of your "players" wished you and yours well. Typical.

I hope you and your grandfather well, QM.
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>>5908151
>>5908178
It was the first thing I thought about but the surgery had already happened so I thought otherwise. We all do like the QM here anon.
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>>5908151
Hope he's doing alright. My pops had heart surgery, scary shit
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>>5908151
May your grandfather continue to do well
>>5908178
There is no excuse for such treachery on my behalf
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>>5908171
Perhaps. We should definitely keep our network tapped to see if he turns up there. Last time they were mentioned, they had about half a dozen battlefleets split amongst the clans, Hornswoggle's extra two would be a significant contribution and might let him muscle his way into the pirate hierarchy.
Either way, whether he sticks around as a powerful raider or joins them, he's a problem for later. I'd rather the latter so we don't have to chase him around the galaxy.
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>>5908183
My old man had one for his brain. Best thing for me was to try not to think about it since it was all out of my hands but thank God he turned out alright.

Never take those close to you for granted everybody.
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>>5908151

Best wishes to your grandpa, QM - we’ll wait patiently here
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>>5908191
Exactly, exactly.
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>>5907821
He has a terminal illness? What?
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>>5907834
>Sebastian
>"I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with your game."
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>>5908151
I'll add my well wishes to your gramps as well, QM

>>5908210
See his profile here >>5899304

I just went through the bin and christ, the entire Entente is reduced to just three fleets. The noose is way beyond closing, they're about to have the trapdoor released under them.
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>>5908151
I wish your family well QM
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>>5908151
I'll also wish you the best for you and your grandfather, QM.
May he be healthy and happy.
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>>5908138
pastebin is down
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>>5908222

Credit goes to the players who pushed for civil war early, this has gone pretty well. The Empire should get 100+ years of internal peace barring a black swan event
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>>5908995
If it came down to the choice again, I'd still oppose starting a civil war. But, credit where credit is due, the doomstack attack has gone very well. I think the QM might have been a little pessimistic in their estimates of how long the civil war would last for.
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>>5908995
We were planning for it but later, our tax roll just fucking sucked Kek.
>>5908998
It was mostly because they didn’t group up. Also, this is still turn 2. Once again the Tripartite may be the worst rebels in existence
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>>5909005
They might be failing so hard cause they were rebelling, still in the mindset that the imperial household was decadent, decayed and resting on the grandeur of its past.

What they were actually rebelling against was a house of warriors, admirals and deadly alien beast enthusiasts who have been glazing the house of super assassins since they took power, and who have been in a constant state of war readiness or otherwise at war

As we can see, this slight miscalculation has cost them dearly.
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>>5909012
Yeah that is true, also Lionel being our sleeper agent.
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>>5909005
Not grouping up is half a symptom of them not cooperating with each other (the Tripartite was always an alliance of convenience rather than real close cooperation), and half from our good luck and early smashing of Rothsford.
In terms of numbers, it was an even fight at the start but the opening alpha strike and their failure to cooperate doomed them. Skill issue, punks.

In other news, I've just had some realisations concerning our own family. The Brat was none other than our brother-in-law married to our sister Adelheid. Freyja, as a prominent member of House Lochstrum, might have been caught in the bombardments if she was on-world at the time. Of our children, Lydia and Aurelia are married into House De Croize and House Ustong, hopefully they're all right and didn't have any sons in the navy.
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>>5909027
No that was a different Zachariah, this one was the III and noble houses often reuse names like that. As for Lydia she was married to Edgar De Croize who was not anywhere near military stuff and so she and her family should be safe (though I think they are in a childless marriage) while Aurelia was married to Adam Ustong and so far appears to have not been involved. QM will have to confirm this stuff though. Freyja and her family should be fine since if something did happen I think QM would have said it already. Either way since we have family in Ustong and De Croize let’s have them usurp their houses since we were planning on executing every top brass anyway,
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>>5907927
>marriage rotation
It’s not a bad idea to be honest

Otto is what, 40 now? He really needs to get cracking

The age difference is going to be huge, given that he’ll need a young wife to bear many heirs
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>>5908154
>>5908157
The only delay in reinforcing Enarvis is that the armada was currently in the Primus Expanse, while the Lochstrum holdings were in the Ravaged Wastes. You can move fleets within a single territory within a turn, but it takes a turn's traveling to go between them. My understanding was that you wanted to move three fleets to reinforce them next turn, and was going to include that in the upcoming update.

>>5908155
Yes, it has effectively left them destitute. There's a great amount of mourning going on in Subregion Perdita and House Garbrandt has been ruined by mere proximity to the failed admiral. Ol' Hornswoggle is laughing all the way to the bank. Interestingly enough, he didn't plan this ahead of time. House Ustong sent him to reinforce Thaddeus because he happened to be the most damaged of their fleets, and he took advantage of the opportunity. I'm surprised he rolled a crit, as otherwise there would've been a battle and if we won, he might've gotten a partial fleet, but it looks like he's a schemer par excellence. His name is also synonymous with scum across those in the know and he's tarnished the reputations of other mercenaries by association.

>>5908158
Yes. Ol' Hornswoggle and the Minor Noble fleet are no longer factors in the war, as they've attempted to flee imperial space. There's almost no way to be certain of what the pirate's intentions are without more dedicated spying but there's likely better use of House Nightshayd.

>>5908157
I'm surprised by how excellent the civil war has gone for you so far. I strongly suspect this was due to your initial distracting of House Ustong and assassination of House Rothsford paralyzing two-thirds of the enemy before they could rally. You then conquered House Rothsford's most significant territory and slayed their Emperor, and immediately after managed to capture the armada of House De Croize without taking any significant casualties whatsoever. This was all extremely shrewd from a strategic standpoint.

My take on it is that you got lucky early on and were smart enough to leverage your numerical advantage with a doomstack to keep the enemy separated. Their plan was to rally their fleets at Lrypso and break the Soluton's shipyards, then seize Enarvis, Uvarth, and Plutul in that order. In short, they also intended to doomstack but you beat them to the punch using civilian raiders and Nightshayd assassins. I will admit, I'm a little surprised you kept the entire fleet together rather than garrisoning any of your more important territories. That Lrypso wasn't conquered comes largely down to luck, but Enarvis was in a disadvantageous position from the start.

>>5908210
Alexander took some experimental rejuvenants which caused his genome to start to falling apart. He's more or less suffering from severe, incurable leprosy and getting by on pain killers.
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>>5908230
I appreciate your sentiments, anons. My grandpa's a tough old man, has a steel plate in his skull and is missing around a third of his spine due to hard living in his youth. The surgery went well and he's going to be headed home tomorrow. Definitely a relief, because I was pretty concerned about him.

>>5908191
There's no certainty with any of these things. All you can do is hope, I think. Turned out well this time, though.
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>>5908990
That might be the last straw for me, for pastebin. It's not very convenient to use but reentry looks smooth, from what I've seen of it in other quests. I think I might go ahead and make the switch.

>>5908998
You all got very, very lucky, which has been customary for House Heinrich, come to think of it.
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>>5909050
all skill
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>>5909050
I wish we had Lughan's Luck though, if he had died at any time prior to or during the first turn this would've been an even bigger stomp. Might've even been able to stop the relationship with Lochstrum from deteriorating even with their aid..
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>>5909056
Eh I am sure we can win back their love in the peace deal
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Would it be excessive if I wrote a draft constitution for our post-war reforms? I could consolidate what we have been talking about, post it here, annotate each clause, then take feedback from the players before presenting it to be voted on depending on how the game goes.
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>>5908145
You are Emperor Albin, son of Emperor Alphonse, and you’ve just received an even more magnificent piece of news than before. Your sister Angelica has managed to one-up her previous successes by an order of magnitude, not only neutralizing the armadas of House De Croize in half of the expected time, but seizing the enemy’s fleets in their entirety!

House Heinrich’s personal retinue has doubled, House Soluton has been strengthened by an additional fleet, and what’s more, both admirals of De Croize have been captured and loyalists within their rebellious line defected to your cause! This is absolutely wonderful news! You are ecstatic to hear of these goings-on. Of course, not all is pleasant.

Your firstborn son, Otto, suffered an injury that by all rights should have been lethal during the boarding of Lionel’s flagship, ‘Cosmos Providence’. You’ve seen the damages yourself. Almost nothing remains of his jaw and nose, and the lower half of his skull is functionally gone. Everything that remains has suffered severe third degree burns. Of his face, the only recognizable part that remains are his eyes.

It’s miraculous that he continues to breathe. Otto being Otto, he’s insistent on recovering as soon as possible that he can resume his duties. As his father, you can’t bear to see your son like this. As Emperor, you know such a state of affairs is unacceptable for the imperial heir. You must determine a suitable path of recovery.

Which path is best?

>Reconstruction: Otto’s face will be meticulously remade by the Empire’s finest plastic surgeons. It will not be the same and he’ll still lack feeling, but it won’t be so unsightly and might help him return to normal living. Your mother Anna leans in this direction, but is more distressed by her grandson’s pain than anything.
>Concealment: Otto’s face will be hidden by a mask of a design of your choosing, crafted by the finest artisans of Guild Artem and Guild Malleator working in concert. This will bring an air of mystique to him, for better or worse. Your wife Clara feels this would be the most tasteful means of handling the damage, as it’s somewhat traditional among the maimed sons of Nightshayd.
>Augmentation: Otto’s face will be replaced by a bulky military-grade respirator and voicebox hardened to endure an incredible amount of punishment. This will grant him a near-full return of functionality, though his scars will remain unconcealed and such a visage might attract claims of technobarbarism. Needless to say, this is Otto’s own preference.
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>>5909065
What's Otto's opinion on this?
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>>5909068
read da votes mang
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>>5909065
>Concealment: Otto’s face will be hidden by a mask of a design of your choosing, crafted by the finest artisans of Guild Artem and Guild Malleator working in concert. This will bring an air of mystique to him, for better or worse. Your wife Clara feels this would be the most tasteful means of handling the damage, as it’s somewhat traditional among the maimed sons of Nightshayd.
>Augmentation: Otto’s face will be replaced by a bulky military-grade respirator and voicebox hardened to endure an incredible amount of punishment. This will grant him a near-full return of functionality, though his scars will remain unconcealed and such a visage might attract claims of technobarbarism. Needless to say, this is Otto’s own preference.
I see literally no reason why we can’t do both here, give him the Baldwin mask also.
>>5909063
I would love to see it, I am sure every anon here has policies and reforms they want pushed once this war is over.
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>>5909073
+1 to make Otto space Baldwin
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>>5909065

>Augmentation: Otto’s face will be replaced by a bulky military-grade respirator and voicebox hardened to endure an incredible amount of punishment. This will grant him a near-full return of functionality, though his scars will remain unconcealed and such a visage might attract claims of technobarbarism. Needless to say, this is Otto’s own preference.

Give the man what he wants but make sure that he is provided with human-like modular faceplates that can be attached over the grill, so that in polite society he can at least try to pretend that he is a normal person and not a robo-barbarian
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>>5909070
Shit yeah my bad.

>>5909065
I say a mix of all 3, the only part I don't like is the bulkyness of the augmentation since I don't want our boy to look like a tech priest. Take that down in size for the sake of reconstructing a more human looking face. That face will still be unsightly due to all the scarring so use a cool mask to conceal it.
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>>5909065
>Augmentation
If its his body his choice.

Also it would look cool as fuck. Use it to play up his warrior god image. Does the house have a symbolic animal? Maybe model it after its features.
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>>5909065
>Concealment: Otto’s face will be hidden by a mask of a design of your choosing, crafted by the finest artisans of Guild Artem and Guild Malleator working in concert. This will bring an air of mystique to him, for better or worse. Your wife Clara feels this would be the most tasteful means of handling the damage, as it’s somewhat traditional among the maimed sons of Nightshayd.

While the augmentation is incredibly based it's also not a good look for an emperor to be.
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>>5909073
So some general notes I have so far are

>Giving more power to the Emperor and less to the houses
>Reform fo succession rules
>More rights for commoners

anything else?
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>>5909083
>not a good look for an emperor to be.
Tell that to Immortan Joe and Darth Malak
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>>5909084
>Reform fo succession rules
>More rights for commoners
Ditch these two. Succession is fine and QM revealed that commomers had more rights than we previously thought.

The most important thing is to emphasize the supremacy of the Crown.
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>>5909065
>Reconstruction
An Emperor can't just have a box and respirator for a face, though I feel if he wants to make an intimidating mask for himself like his Nightshayd mother wants to go with his rebuilt face he should absolutely do so.
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>>5909087
completely different set of values
unless you also want to reform the empire into a technobarbarian state based on cruel oppression and fear.
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>>5909084
I don’t think commoners need more right, they actually have quite a few/important bits are already covered.
As for some things I want probably
>Centralizing the Empire
We need to make it less feudal and make it more like an actual nation with proper departments and ministries. Personally I would like to add something like the Landsraad, not to combat the Emperors power but provide a forum for the houses to solve shit before going into war so this civil war situation does not happen again
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>>5909103
Hmmm yes, perhaps and advisory parliament/senate would be a good idea. It wouldn't have power seperate from the Emperor but it could be a good way to measure the pulse of the key players in the Empire.
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>>5909087
Immortan Joe and Darth Malak both died like dogs, though.
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>>5909065
>Concealment
>Augmentation
We should understand that when he stops being the heir and starts being the Emperor he may very well decide to go with augmentation regardless. We can respect his own decision while leaving our own suggestion in the form of the mask.

Should advances be made in reconstructive surgery he can change it up later.
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>>5909108
This civil war basically meant to kill the disloyal elements of the empire while securing our allies and future reign and in that I think we will succeed, at least the first part
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QM, what determines who leads a House? Do they have their own rules or do they follow whatever the throne has set for a standard?

I’m wondering if reforms to their succession rules (or ours) would let our Emper(or/ess) marry the head of another house, merging the two under a single heir. Possibly under a new name to represent the new unified houses?

It’d be one way of “locking” alliances.
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>>5909125
but we could have probably avoided with diplomacy the last minute addition of De Croize which made an easy fight more complicated.
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>>5909049
That's good to hear. Don't worry about having to take a break from writing if you want, all I'd ask is for you to tell us about it so that we anons don't freak out and doompost.

>>5909065
>Augmentation: Otto’s face will be replaced by a bulky military-grade respirator and voicebox hardened to endure an incredible amount of punishment. This will grant him a near-full return of functionality, though his scars will remain unconcealed and such a visage might attract claims of technobarbarism. Needless to say, this is Otto’s own preference.
This is awesome.
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>>5909129
Yeah but that worked to our advantage in the end
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>>5909050
Wrong, the real Heinrich way is to knock it out of the park one minute and then eat dirt the next.
I not sure the downtime is really Pastebin's fault, a number of websites have been having issues for the last few hours, a few of them quite major. Seems like some piece of wider Internet infrastructure shat itself and took some websites down with it. I heard the Russian Internet is in chaos too.

>Concealment: Otto’s face will be hidden by a mask of a design of your choosing, crafted by the finest artisans of Guild Artem and Guild Malleator working in concert. This will bring an air of mystique to him, for better or worse. Your wife Clara feels this would be the most tasteful means of handling the damage, as it’s somewhat traditional among the maimed sons of Nightshayd.
I will not have our son become Darth Vader, no matter how crude he might want to be. He can have a much more intimidating and more armoured warmask made for when he wants to go into combat.
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>>5909128
Brainstorming here, but what if we legalize Polygamay, have the emperor marry multiple members of the great noble houses and then let the kids inherit unified houses.

Also what is our genetic engineering technology level like? OP?>>5909049
If we have "The Expanse" level technology we can splice DNA from more than two people together into one heir, Imagine a Cell/Chimeramon/Serpentor style set up where we have a child who is 1/3 Otto, 1/3 De Croize and 1/3 Roth
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>>5909144
Ending the Heinrich line speedrun%
I also don’t want to gene splice our own heir, we do that the natural way through marriage
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>>5909144
>what if we legalize Polygamay, have the emperor marry multiple members of the great noble houses and then let the kids inherit unified houses.
How to cause constant civil wars between all the houses as they all have an equal claim to the throne at all times 101.
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>>5909103
>>5909108
>>5909125

I agree re: the Landstaad. I also suggest we mix it with a Calmecac-style system. By having Noble leaders and heirs on mars, instead of their homeworlds, we can have more influence and also use them as informal hostages.

By wrapping this up in honor as them "gaining" the power of a pseudo-legislature we can disguise a gift for ourselves as a gift for them. Can even spon it as a response to the war

>While these rebels were criminal, we understand the Noble Houses must be heard, this system will be a peaceful, legal and just way to connect The Nobility with the Empire blah blah blah
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>>5909149
I don’t think think we can bring them to Mars like that, they will definitely see through it and the only ones we would be doing this to are our allies (since they will be the only ones left) and I don’t think it will go over well.
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>>5909148
I see your point, my ultimate end goal would be to dissolve the noble houses or else wise make them have little to no political power.

I think gradually absorbin/annexing/dissolving them into Heinreich would be the smoothest way to do so.

That probably wouldn't be a legal choice bu a strategic choice. Like i think for example if its possible see if we can get Otto to marry someone in such position that their heir would inherent the leadership of both their parents households.

I want to engineer a James IV situation basically.
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>>5909144
>Polygamay

so more wives are ok so long as they're named May?
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>>5909065
>>Concealment: Otto’s face will be hidden by a mask of a design of your choosing, crafted by the finest artisans of Guild Artem and Guild Malleator working in concert. This will bring an air of mystique to him, for better or worse. Your wife Clara feels this would be the most tasteful means of handling the damage, as it’s somewhat traditional among the maimed sons of Nightshayd.
QM, is it possible for Otto to obtain an alien mask that he could wear? I still think him looting his own mask is very on-brand for Otto.
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>>5909151
I think we will be in a strong enough position post-civil war we can demand them to do whatever and they can't say no.
But I think the idea is scaleable.

The more powerful we are, the higher up on this list is what I think we should make the Landstatt work like

>The Emperor can order any noble to serve in the Landstatt
>The Landstat is made up of the heads of all the noble houses and their heirs
>The Landstaat is made up of EITHER the head of the noble house or their heir
>Each noble house sends its own representative to the Landstatt but they must be in the line of succession for rulership of the house
>Each noble house can send whoever they want

My personal philosophy is to shoot for the moon and if we miss hit the stars. Ask for the most extreme concession and then if they say no, negotiate down to the next most extreme option and so on. Who knows we might get lucky. (I think we can AT LEAST get them to send their heirs or their heads to Mars) .

We could also make the Landstaat have some proportion to it, with different houses sending different number of noble reps.
While on the surface this would give the stronger houses more power, it is self-selecting because that way, the larger a house is, the more of its upper members would be on Mars.
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>>5909161
In-universe strong Noble Houses are a constant threat to the Emperor.
We got lucky this time, the next rebellion we might not have the dice gods on the side.
I think the Heinrich dynasty sees it in their best interest to make it impossible for any other noble house to rise against them again.
Out of universe, I don't want us to have us worry about what we vote for in case a Noble house freaks out on us.
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>>5909103
>Landsraad
Another advantage here is that we can set it up to focus mostly on inter-house disputes we don't give much fo a shit about.
By having the Houses compete with each other in this forum, it takes the heat off of us.
No one noble will be able to amaas enough power to challenge them because every other Noble will be trying to undermine them.
Even outside hard law reforms i think we should embrace further polcieis to play the Houses against each other.
Like for example, have them compete for imperial contracts or dole out favors like ship building stations or extra defence ships
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>>5909084
Once everything important is dealt with I think we should focus more on improving relations with the alien guys and environment stuff before our current ruler who really likes doing all that stuff ends up kicking the bucket. Who knows how long it's gonna be before we get anyone nearly as much of a xenophile as Albin
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>>5909128
For the most part, the noble houses follow the same system of patrilineal succession as the royal dynasty, but they all have their own subtle vagaries. In particular, House Rothsford keeps to very strict primogeniture, the potential heirs of House Soluton draw lots, the elders of House Ustong hold a council to determine which of their descendants is worthiest, House De Croize has a system of rotation between lineages, and House Arthen forgoes inheritance entirely to have their current patriarch choose their successor from their bloodline, though this can be and frequently is challenged by a duel. House Nightshayd also practices primogeniture, but heirs killing each other to get ahead is both expected and encouraged. House Lochstrum holds a contest between its sons, but if the winner elects to abdicate, they can choose another for the position.

>>5909134
It's all good, I'm having a lot of fun with this quest. If I do end up taking a break, it's definitely going to be at the end of the thread for a week or so, unless something comes up, but in that case I'll be sure to let you know.

>>5909140
Very true. That's also fair on pastebin, I've noticed some issues on other sites myself. I'm not entirely committed for or against it yet, I don't think.

>>5909157
It is possible, yes. The sunken ruin had a fair amount of artifacts, but little in the way of alien tech. He suspects it was a human ruin due to the ease of handling the artifacts found there. Alien tech tends to be convoluted and inconvenient from a human perspective, and vice versa.
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>>5909176
This is another reason why we need to weaken the nobility. Many of them are incredibly anti-alien. Them being strong gives them a "ghost" veto on our policies because we can't go "too far" or else risk rebellion. And its not just the aliens.
Our Environmental policy, the Empresses reforms. Had the dice gone worse they could have done some real damage or just refused. We need to become a "I'm not asking" Empire.
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>>5909177
>>5909144
The Eternal Empire's genetic-engineering technology is quite limited, due to the gene wars in the distant past. For the most part, it's limited to lengthening telomeres, curing autoimmune diseases, and repairing of the body's some long-term wear-and-tear, but these are stopgaps at best. Gene-editing to improve a fetus's future potential is somewhat frowned upon, as most of humanity has already had hereditary diseases excised many centuries ago and it's seen as a slippery slope.

Most houses would do it if they thought they could get away with it, but the knowledge-base to do so is incredibly specialized and coming under scrutiny for it could be their ruin. Transhumanism in the notion of rejecting humanity to become something else entirely is a taboo on par with pedophilia or cannibalism, due to lingering memories of the gene wars. Cybernetic augmentations are seen as less questionable, but transhumanism is part of what led to the shattering of old Earth and is brutally repressed, where possible. Most of the backlash toward it is from commoners who fear the gap between themselves and the nobility growing wider than it already is, but most of the nobility are less than sympathetic toward attempts to bootstrap evolutionary superiority.

Some alien species have advanced gene-editing technology, and may or may not be willing to share their knowledge. The reaction to this from the Empire would likely be extreme, to say the least. A mysterious civilization in the farflung past whose name has long since been forgotten had a truly exceptional grasp of gene-sculpting, but their relics have been lost to time. Among the masses, they're no more than a vague rumour. For those few scholars in the know, public channels are to be monitored for any hint of their legacy and they are under no circumstances to be mentioned in polite company.


We do not speak of the Xenocult.

We do not ask questions of the Xenocult.

There never was any such thing as the Xenocult.
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>>5909172
Exactly, it protects us and stop most armed conflict before it begins
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>>5909177
>House Rothsford keeps to very strict primogeniture
Is the heir to the Rothsford house reproductively compatible with Otto? If not, is their child (if they exist) reproductively compatible with Otto? If I am reading this right, depending on marriage, Otto's child or grandchild could inherit the Imperial Throne and the leadership of Rothsford.
>House Arthen forgoes inheritance entirely to have their current patriarch choose their successor from their bloodline, though this can be and frequently is challenged by a duel.
Do the duelists have to be of Arthen blood? Otto is a war hero, an amazing fighter and was trained by Arthens. I think if it is allowed they would respect him challenging the current heir for their seat in a duel, and Otto would probably win.
>House Nightshayd also practices primogeniture, but heirs killing each other to get ahead is both expected and encouraged.
Otto is of Nightshayd bloodline, if he kills enough people he would naturally inherit leadership of the house when Anna dies.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on "Plan James VI." I think Scotlanding even one of the Noble Houses would be a generational success that would shore up our power for ages if not forever.
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The only reform I support is allowing female heirs if she proves more competent. Everything else is too much.
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>>5909185
What do folks think of a cap on military power for Noble houses? Post rebellion its totally justifiable , and since so many houses are either our allies, had the fleet devasted or both, we have a ripe opportunity.
Not only would this make it hard for them to rise up but it would let us be able to use raising the cap (or loaning out Imperial ships) as an incentive.

>"Oh you're worried about pirates. Sure, we're friends we'll send an extra patrol your way."
Makes hem even less likely to piss us off if we can recall forces and leave them vulnerable.
And since its post war it is way easier to say ""you cant build more warships" than "give up ones you already have."

For example, we could instill an Empirewide pause on all military development after the war, and then grant licenses to build warships on a case by case basis .
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>>5909200
Think 1-2 fleets, with exceptions to Arthen and Soluton of course. Could also extract concessions from Hookware to let them keep their fleets.
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>>5909168
Where's the fun in that?
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>>5909191
Stop trying to start the second civil war speedrun this fast. Either way we have family in all the rebel houses and they are about to be at our mercy in the war trials so we can just usurp them normally.
>>5909200
We basically have a monopoly minus Soluton and Hookware but I agree we need to cap power so shit like this does not happen again.
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>>5909203
>>5909207

Oooh what if we do something like "Carbon credits" where we let the Houses trade ship quotas in the Landsraad. Gives them something else to bicker over while still keeping the overall military power diffused and capped.

>>5909206
>Where's the fun in that?
Here is an example. It is thread 3 and we want to form a military alliance with the tree folks to fight against the raider clans. Even if we the players want that to happen because we think it would lead to a cool story and and expand into the lore of the setting if we are worried about the Noble Houses rebelling if we "deal with xenos" it is less likely for that to happen.
The Noble Houses being able tp veto Heinreich policy means they can veto us, the players, choices. I think it is fine if the dice rolls determine how successful or not our choices are but I don't like the sword over our head for any major decision. Or rather, I am okay with it as long as we are allowed to outplay it like we are plotting now.
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>>5909207
>so we can just usurp them normally.
Are you suggesting we dissolve the rebel houses?

That actually could be a good move if we dole out their planets to our ally houses. Its a mix of carrot and stick.
We are essentially bribing our allies to be more loyal while also showing them what can happen if they rebel.
It also sets a precedent so in the future if one House talks about rebelling, the other houses are more likely to snitch so they can get extra planets (instead of teaming up like happened here.)
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>>5909213
But my guy, that's part of the fun. What's the point of managing an empire if you don't have to manage the empire?
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>>5909065
>Reconstruction: Otto’s face will be meticulously remade by the Empire’s finest plastic surgeons. It will not be the same and he’ll still lack feeling, but it won’t be so unsightly and might help him return to normal living. Your mother Anna leans in this direction, but is more distressed by her grandson’s pain than anything.
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>>5909065
>>Concealment: Otto’s face will be hidden by a mask of a design of your choosing, crafted by the finest artisans of Guild Artem and Guild Malleator working in concert. This will bring an air of mystique to him, for better or worse. Your wife Clara feels this would be the most tasteful means of handling the damage, as it’s somewhat traditional among the maimed sons of Nightshayd.
>>Augmentation: Otto’s face will be replaced by a bulky military-grade respirator and voicebox hardened to endure an incredible amount of punishment. This will grant him a near-full return of functionality, though his scars will remain unconcealed and such a visage might attract claims of technobarbarism. Needless to say, this is Otto’s own preference.
Combine the two, get the best of both worlds.

Sorry mom
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>>5909191
The heir to House Rothsford is a man, as is his heir. The duelists for House Arthen must be of Arthen blood to challenge a duel. Notably, House Arthen has a tradition of abdicating once a patriarch has gotten too old to fight, which Lughan has spurned out of raw hatred for House Heinrich. The war of assassins in House Nightshayd takes place within the family and is quite subtle, extending across the galaxy by any means of murder available. In the past, some instances have lasted for full generations.
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>>5909177
QM, could you post the interlude somewhere other than pastebin, even if you keep using the site, so that those who weren't fast enough can read it too?
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>>5909227
Whelp dissolution it is then.

James VI will have to come another day. (Unless the the Rothsford allow adoption to count as "first born child)
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>>5909073
Supporting space Baldwin

>>5909149
>Landstaad

That’s a good idea - as long as we restrict it’s membership to the nobility

It should kinda be like the UN Security Council

Heads of Houses are not in the Landstaad, they simply send a member of their family to represent their interests

I don’t want all family Heads on Mars all the time, will breed intrigue

@QM, do we as Emperor often hold Court on Mars?
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>>5909229
That's a good idea, I'll make a compendium of interludes in-case pastebin ends up shutting down or I switch over for some reason.

>>5909233
There have been instances of adopted heirs in the past, but they were quite controversial.
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>>5909234
>I don’t want all family Heads on Mars all the time, will breed intrigue
What if we mandate the Landstaad be the heirs of each house? A compromise that also gives us hostages.
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>>5909234
As Emperor, a solid third of your time is spent holding court on Mars and dealing with the petty intrigues of your position. Another third is spent delegating tasks, overseeing disputes, and reviewing bureaucracy to ensure that it's functioning smoothly. The last third is free, and spent on pursuing your own interests. The Emperor is a very, very busy man.
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>>5909213
We will be doing a lot of bickering in the Landsraad
>>5909215
Both. I kinda want to do what Tywin would do here to Rothsford to send the message while Ustong and De Croize we usurp via our daughters who are already married in. We execute the entire top brass, minus maybe a few exceptions and then partition the rest of their worlds to our allies.
>>5909229
Interludes are always great to read, I want to see a Mathieu one after this debacle.
>>5909234
We don’t want the Landsaarad to have enough power to influence us, it’s the opposite we want. It will be used to keep the nobles bickering at each other while giving an outlet for frustration so they don’t go blasting. I do agree with reps though, maybe heirs or other important ones.
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>>5909065
>Reconstruction: Otto’s face will be meticulously remade by the Empire’s finest plastic surgeons. It will not be the same and he’ll still lack feeling, but it won’t be so unsightly and might help him return to normal living. Your mother Anna leans in this direction, but is more distressed by her grandson’s pain than anything.
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>>5909149
>>5909234
>>5909237
>Landstaad
It's Landsraad Nitpick, but it triggers my autism

I support the idea, but not the civil war #2 speedrun that making it a blatant trap is going to cause. Let's just establish it as a body advisory to the Emperor. We can spin it as a reward to the Houses who did not rebel, and a way for any of them to air their grievances without having to resort to outright rebellion. We can then slowly make it suit our purposes more and more over the generations.

Remember anons, a hook requires good bait

>>5909241
Anon, chill. Attempting to centralize the Empire to this extent will trigger an immediate civil war against the house of our mom, our best friend and probably our wife too. They are not mindless puppets, they look out for their interests too and they support us because we have family ties, we've been good to them and they expect that we will continue being good to them. A naked power grab will only prove that the rebels were right to rebel and it might be the only way for us to get deposed.

Also, House De Croize surrendered bloodlessly and they had loyalists switch sides and help us. If we are not lenient towards them, we set the precedent that all possible future rebels should fight us to the death. It is not a good precedent to set.
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>>5909234
Since Heinrich is german inspired can we call it he Landrat (the German cognate/translation )
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>>5909236
Ah okay then. I asked because if the Rothsford heir was into men, he could marry Otto and they could adopt and heir to inherit both titles, but despite my realpolitik I don't think its ethical to get Otto to marry a guy if he's straight.
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>>5909241
I would give the Landrat no actual legal power. Basically its a glorified message board that its filled with fancy titles and shit.
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>>5909256
>good bait
What if we build a grand devleopment next to the Imperial Palace for the Landrat, make a full scale Marry Geoiose place and say to be in the Landrat is the highest honor the Empire has next to the Emperr themselves. Landrat members get to have 'Sir" or "Dame" or some other noble title , get special imperial privileges , body guards etc. Essentially make it a "nobility above the nobility" basically give them everything in existence they could want EXCEPT political power.
Or we could give Ladrat members power but only power over each other and other noble house, not the Empire.
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>>5909256
>we've been good to them and they expect that we will continue being good to them.
We pull a Putin, make it a power grab that they are in on. As long as the individual power players are better off in the new system than they were in the old, I think they will be on board. Especially if we can rwap up the power grab with a "promotion."
For example i think we can dissolve all the rebel houses easily with no pushback, build the Landstat as a "reward" for our ally houses and then issue a pause on all further military buildup but make it known that the Empire can issue permits and that we always look out for our friends (wink , wink)
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>>5909065
>Reconstruction: Otto’s face will be meticulously remade by the Empire’s finest plastic surgeons. It will not be the same and he’ll still lack feeling, but it won’t be so unsightly and might help him return to normal living. Your mother Anna leans in this direction, but is more distressed by her grandson’s pain than anything
An emperor needs a face, not a mask.
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>>5909256
Mhhhh fine. I still want Rothsford gone and Ustong punished though, these houses gotta go. I will remain strong on making Lochstrum usurp Rothsford in its entirety.
>>5909260
We can discuss nitty gritty later
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>>5909276
Ustong and De Croise I feel would be the hardest houses to directly take over the leadership of given the decentralized ways they choose heirs.

>>5909177

Its probably a better idea to let Ustong picks its
own leader but to make sure that Noble Houses in general cant do shit to us no matter who is in charge.
But I agree that we should dissolve De Croise (and all the other rebel houses) Who is going to stop us?
The rebels are defeated by definition and we can pay off the other houses by giving them the rebel houses.
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>>5909256
I’d be willing to back this. I’d also be willing for this group to eventually have the ability to shape policy, or even overrule us as the “bait” to keep people engaged. The main way to control it would be for such policy to require a supermajority that would be difficult to reach with so many different factions. The preferred alternative would be for Houses to work with us instead, as we shouldn’t need supermajorities to pass laws.

It may also be needed as we collapse the unsupportive houses and fold them into us or our allies. If we took over every planet, we’d still have politicking and people working against us. We’re in a galactic empire, our methods for centralizing power should have limits in practice given the distances involved and inefficiency it would bring. As major houses fall, elevate lower houses into it to replace the old and keep the administration humming along while weakening their ability to serve as a check unless we have a truly horrid heir unsuited for rule that unites everyone against that ruler. Maybe we can accomplish that by allowing them to dictate a new ruler so long as they come from the same house if the vote is near-unanimous.
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>>5909286
>Though when we Dissolve De Croise we need to give something to the Loyalists. We could adopt them into house Heinreich and give them some planets for example. Or let them keep a few planets and remake them into a new minor noble house under the leadership of loyalists
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>>5909065
>Reconstruction: Otto’s face will be meticulously remade by the Empire’s finest plastic surgeons. It will not be the same and he’ll still lack feeling, but it won’t be so unsightly and might help him return to normal living. Your mother Anna leans in this direction, but is more distressed by her grandson’s pain than anything.
Just realized I haven't actually voted.

>>5909256
At the very least we'd have to execute the remaining ringleaders of the Tripartite, Matthieu and Antonio to make a statement. Anyone of Noble blood from these houses that took arms against us should be sterilized and imprisoned for life. Those who didn't participate should be pardoned, but know they're on thin ice right now and we expect showings of loyalty in the future before we accept that the slate is wiped clean. This last part is mostly aimed at De Croize.

>>5909276
Personally I want to see House Ustong liquidated (Total Ustong Death) and replaced with House Lochstrum since they've a similar industrial mindset if I am not mistaken. Together with Total Rothsford Destruction we'll gain enough cash from this civil war that we can begin reinvestment in the economy and make it not shit, and begin proper reconstruction efforts across the devastated (former) Federation territory, which will hopefully turn the trend of unhappy citizenry around. Maybe the remaining members of De Croize, as the Noble House of Culture and Science, could help improve morale among the citizens as a redemption for their rebellion. We'll have to see how accommodating their next House Leader is.
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>>5909289
I think the Landstad should be akin to an "internal united Nations" a place where the Noble houses make formal internal treaties, deals and resolutions. (but no foreign policy or military policy that is the sole domain of Emperor)
The Emperor's role would be to enforce these deals (kind of like a one-person Security council)

And Just like the real UN, its decisions don't actually matter unless the Security Council personally chooses to enforce them.

So for example the Landstat could negotiate trade routes between the ruined wastes and the Martial Stars. Or to build up funds for spy satellites on Terminus. If two houses have an issue, they can debate it and if it isn't resolved the Emperor would mediate.
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>>5909292
I could get on board with a De Crosie rump house made up of a few planets. Everything else should be split up.
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>>5909263
>>5909265
Anon, they are already planetary nobles. They already have all the luxury, respect and titles they could possibly want, and they are not idiots. We have to give them something tangible now for it to be good bait, and then we can slowly hook them. There's no need to hurry and do everything immediately, we literally have all the time in the world. Baby steps.

What I'd like to do with the rebel Houses:
>De Croize
Execute the head of house, put the highest ranked loyalist in charge via forced abdication of all those before him in the order of succession, have them pay for the reconstruction of the damage our allies received. Very lenient for a rebel house and rewarding the loyalists makes it so the next time some idiot head of house decides to rebel against the Heinrichs, his heir has every incentive in the world to immediately pull a coup and proclaim his loyalty.
>Rothsford
They declared a false Emperor. They gotta get Castamere'd to send the right message.
>Ustong
They did not declare a false Emperor, but did not have any loyalists of note either. I'd suggest we forbid them from having a fleet for 50 years, have them pay reparations higher than those De Croize will have to pay, take a planet or two from them, but leave the house existing, if greatly diminished. I'd support any punishment that lies in between those of the other two in severity though.
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>>5909312
De Croize has a rotation system between various lineages. I am not sure exactly how that works but I think the easiest option is just to remove all noble titles from every non-loyalist De Croize, whoever is left will be the ruler by default. But I think we should take as many planets from them as we can get away with. One less problem
Rothsford I don't think we need to mass murder. Just dissolve the house split up all the planets between us and loyal factions and send the leadership to a reparations labor camp. Ustong should get the same.
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>>5909289
Oh its guranteed their holdings will be gutted between our allies. The Martial houses and the Minors who remained loyal to us like Junger will be getting quite rich off of (mostly) undamaged worlds.
>>5909292
I am pretty sure Lochstrum are merchants so they would be replacing Rothsford but I could just be misremembering but either way I am all for TUD and TRD.
>>5909312
If we can't have our daughters and sisters usurp can we at least put them in high positions to let them watch over these houses then?
Also, punishments seem good though obviously they are all going to be ripped apart for this and lose most of their wealth but I think Ustong should be punished more. They were basically the other half of the Tripartite to Rothsford and thus the dual instigator but their treachery has extended past the civil war with their constant arrogance towards imperial authority and constant fence-sitting.
>>5909317
The Rains of Castamere
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>>5909312
It's kinda funny how little Ustong has done in this war. Since they went running off after the ERC, the only thing they've actually achieved is bombing 1HP off Lochstrum's home system. Of course, that's thanks to us sending them running around and immediately upending the Entente's warplan rather than lack of trying.
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>>5909317
>De Croize has a rotation system between various lineages
I do not care and you shouldn't either. They lost a war, the next head of their house is who we say he is. They can sort out the succession among themselves afterwards.

>Ustong should get the same
Definitely not. Declaring a false Emperor is the worst crime someone can commit sort of actually killing an Emperor. There has to be some differentiation here. Punishing every crime equally just encourages criminals to commit the most severe crime possible over the lighter ones.

>>5909319
>I think Ustong should be punished more
Their crime was less severe than Rothsford's. Punishing them more severely will only make us appear arbitrary and unjust. I don't see how their treachery extended past the civil war, they have not been more disobedient, arrogant, or fence-sitting than, say, House Arthen.

>>5909320
That Civil War in its entirety would make for a killer comedy series.
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>>5909322
>They lost a war, the next head of their house is who we say he is.
By that logic we can just make Otto the next head and annex them totally.

Also this isn't about punishing crimes this is about removing threats to our power. Every noble house is a challenge to our authority. We should have the lowest about of noble houses possible and make sure the ones that exist are as weak as they can be (relative to us). Also we arent punishing Houses, we are punhsing individuals. Each leader of the poot will be put on trial. The political shift isn't part of a criminal processing, its an internal civic shift to prevent similar crimes from happening again
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What do we think of mandating anyone who marries a Heinrich to take the Heinrich last name (or at least have all their kids be Heinrichs)
What I don't want happening down the line is a Uston or a Soluton or a Nightshayd being able to press a claim the throne because they are a direct descendant of Alphonse.

Settling inheritance disputes within a noble house is far easier than outside it. (See: Saudi Arabia)
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>>5909327
>By that logic we can just make Otto the next head and annex them totally.
We absolutely can. No one is going to stop us. The only thing we have to be concerned about is how our actions are going to be seen by others and what behaviors they're going to encourage.

>Every noble house is a challenge to our authority
The Empire is not an absolute monarchy. We just fought a civil war over this fact and we will immediately have to fight another one if we make the other nobles believe that we are paranoid enough to want to take away the power of even our allies. We have to be careful with the punishments we met out so as to make the next guy who thinks about rebellion have second thoughts without appearing like a tyrant that has to be deposed, like the previous dynasty ended up.

>The political shift isn't part of a criminal processing
The Empire is not a modern democracy either. There is no separation of powers, the Emperor is the Law and this can be both a benefit and a hindrance. We have to make our actions appear justified and NOT as an internal civic shift, or we signal to our allies that we do not actually have their best interests in heart and they should act accordingly.

>>5909334
Excellent way to make major nobles not want to marry our daughters.
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>>5909341
>We have to make our actions appear justified and NOT as an internal civic shift, or we signal to our allies that we do not actually have their best interests in heart and they should act accordingly.
I disagree, I think we can and should signal that this a turning point in the politics of the Empire. What we can't do is not include our allies in the process of centralization. It's the reason why I've wanted to minimize the amount of major houses since the less there are the less we have to integrate into our state.
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>>5909292
You deem a two-pronged approach is best, fashioning a mask to cover his scarred visage, and having a slim, unobtrusive respirator fitted to his skull. Otto is less than pleased but relieved that you hesitated to go ahead with reconstructive surgery. House Arthen has a tendency to keep their scars and having been trained under them, Otto shares the sentiment.

Being the future Emperor, you give him his choice of design.

>What sort of mask would Otto go for?

The other dampener on your mood is rather bleak. According to your agents, the close-minded fools under Thaddeus Garbrandt bombed House Lochstrum’s holdings in Enarvis to rubble. One of the mercenaries under House Ustong, “Ol’ Hornswoggle” joined them in the effort and destroyed what little willingness to continue remained.

This prompted Galileo Lochstrum to break ranks with the imperial armada and rush for his home system as quickly as possible. Understandable, perhaps, but little remains for him to avenge himself against. Almost within the hour of receiving word of De Croize’s defeat, Hornswoggle poisoned Thaddeus and the commanders under him in a celebratory feast, then seized the now leaderless ships and fled imperial space. That means there’s another pirate beyond the frontier. If you’re lucky, he’ll flee and go somewhere else. If you’re not, he’ll be a problem to deal with in the future, if he isn’t hunted and crushed soon.
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>>5909384
Your informants in House Arthen relay word to you that an hour before noon, Lughan’s dialysis machines failed to preserve him. Rather than die in bed, he bid his elderly sons carry him to a balcony overlooking their capital on Tinth’agel, where, with trembling hands, he watched the sunset, spoke one last time, and fell on his sword.

“Let it be known that I never broke my word.”

At 143 years of age, Lughan Arthen is dead! His grandson Arlo Arthen has risen to rule! House Arthen’s relations are now friendly to House Heinrich!

They’ve yet to pledge for either side of the civil war. Lughan ruled their lineage for over five generations, and the time before him is almost out of living memory. It’s likely the sons of Arthen are still reeling from their loss.

Should you force the issue?

>Yes. Extend an invitation to House Arthen, and invite them to pledge their armada for one final push against the traitors of the Tripartite.
>No. They refused to disobey the stubborn ancient to the detriment of the Empire, they’ll pledge on their own or they’ll drown in their shame.
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>>5909385
You consider the strategic situation.

>The Territories of the Eternal Empire:
>Imperial Core:
>Subregion Mars: 30/30 Resolve. Throneworld of the Empire, Center of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Tinth'agel: 24/24 Resolve. Center of House Arthen, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]
>Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Subregion Licciri: 3/12 Resolve. Holding of House Soluton. [Tripartite]
>Ustong Fleet (Kane Ustong)
>Subregion Tennsey: 16/16 Resolve. Center of Hookware Corp, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]
>Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral)

>Primus Expanse:
>Subregion Uarseilles: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House De Croize. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Khamulod: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Arthen. [Neutral]
>Subregion Lrypso: 10/20 Resolve. Center of House Soluton, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich), Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich), Imperial Fleet (Oscar Schafer), Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen), Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze), Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips), Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich), Heinrich Fleet (Gregor Heinrich), Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton), Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton), Soluton Fleet (Nathaniel Soluton), De Croize Fleet (Francis De Croize)
>Subregion Vintrola: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House De Croize. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Nenov: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Gilded Belt:
>Subregion El-Yaniv: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Rothsford. [Throne]
>Subregion Jaifah: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House Rothsford. [Tripartite]

>Martial Stars:
>Subregion Plutul: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Matera: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Rausch. [Throne]
>Subregion Aegis: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Phillips. [Throne]
>Subregion Nabichi: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Schafer. [Throne]

>Farfallen Chasm:
>Subregion Terminus: 5/10 Resolve. Holding of House Ustong. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Ouferet: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Ustong. [Tripartite]
>Ustong Fleet (Sergio Ustong), Mercenary Fleet (“Hurricane” Axton)
>Subregion Nusquam: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Ravaged Wastes:
>Subregion Uvarth: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Enarvis: 1/8 Resolve. Center of House Lochstrum. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Neo-Venus: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Nebula Stratus:
>Subregion Perdita: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Bizeon: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

Suffice it to say, you have an overwhelming advantage in nearly every respect!

The Tripartite Entente is doomed! All that remains is for you to determine the specifics.
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>>5909385
>No. They refused to disobey the stubborn ancient to the detriment of the Empire, they’ll pledge on their own or they’ll drown in their shame.
No need to force the issue.
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>>5909387
How should you position your fleets?

It’s unlikely the foe will be of any concern to the Empire, but you remind yourself that they remain quite capable of inflicting severe casualties in their final hours.

You recall the repeated failures of your propagandists.

>Execute them immediately. You must set a firm example of the reward such feckless incompetence will earn.
>Give them one last chance. You suppose failure is inevitable, the only problem is when it doesn’t stop.

What should you do, as Emperor?

>Demand the surrender of one of the enemy houses. They are in no position to resist, and should be well-aware of this.
>Encourage the masses to rejoice, as a new era of peace and prosperity is swiftly approaching the Empire.
>Attempt to mend relations with House Lochstrum through a symbolic gesture of some variety.

What are your orders for each of your allied houses? You can choose different orders for them, or none at all.

>Contribute some of their treasury to the Empire. You’re going to need funds to repair the damages that have been caused.
>Grant a fleet to the Empire’s direct control. At such overwhelming odds of victory, this would be quite shameless.
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.

What are your orders for House Nightshayd?

>Attempt to assassinate an enemy admiral.
>Attempt to sabotage an enemy planet’s defenses.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
>Attempt to track Ol’ Hornswoggle’s whereabouts.
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>>5909388
>>5909389
Adding this
>Give them one last chance. You suppose failure is inevitable, the only problem is when it doesn’t stop.

>Encourage the masses to rejoice, as a new era of peace and prosperity is swiftly approaching the Empire.

>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.

>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
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>>5909384
>What sort of mask would Otto go for?
Pic rel
>>5909385
>No. They refused to disobey the stubborn ancient to the detriment of the Empire, they’ll pledge on their own or they’ll drown in their shame.
Obviously don't put it so rudely but just keep relations warm for now, no need to force the issue.
>>5909387
Shouldn't Axton be with Kane since he was there before the other mercs left or am I misremembering?
>>5909389
>Give them one last chance. You suppose failure is inevitable, the only problem is when it doesn’t stop.
All right we were just joking guys but seriously don't fuck up again
>Demand the surrender of one of the enemy houses. They are in no position to resist, and should be well-aware of this.
De Croize, we literally stole their fleet, their relatives as hostage and we have loyalists on our side.
Also QM, if we destroy the last of the naval assets does the civil war end there or do we have to go around to every traitor hold and liberate it manually? If the answer is no then switch that to:
>Attempt to mend relations with House Lochstrum through a symbolic gesture of some variety.
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
Keep them happy
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
Get them out of the turn order
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>>5909384
Im not sure about Otto's mask, any of you have any ideas?

>>5909387
As for the fleets... send 4 to take out Kane, the worst off of the lot.

Then send the remaining 8 to Ouferet.
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>>5909402
also support this for fleet movement, I believe we know Axton PT and Sergio we can get his PT from the pastebin with the ERC
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>>5909401

I support all of this anons vote tbqhwy
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>>5909401
Axton was with Sergio, it was Dawson that left with Kane. If you destroy the last of the Tripartite's naval assets, every hostile faction immediately rolls to keep the will to fight, and does so with a cumulative penalty every following turn.
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>>5909406
In that case, I will definitely vote for
>>5909401
>Attempt to mend relations with House Lochstrum through a symbolic gesture of some variety.

The promises of revenge on the traitors, incredibly developed worlds and unused riches from the rebel vaults should be enough to make up for our shortsight on not garrisoning them.
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>>5909401
>Baldwin
Nah, I like the mask but it just doesn't feel like Otto.

Agreed that we shouldn't put things so tersely to Arthen.

I don't know about being so sympathetic to Lochstrum. Surrendering to the Entente in the circumstances that they did is not so understandable.
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>>5909410
I also wouldn't promise them that much.
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>>5909416
I mean all of it is easy, affordable and costs us nothing.
>Revenge on the traitors
We are about to do that
>Developed worlds
We were always going to partition them at the end
>Unused riches
We were always going to give those to all involved (but mostly ourselves since we need it for the ledger).
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>>5909422
Yes on the revenge to the traitors no on the others. By surrendering, they forfeited the bigger cut of the spoils they were originally going to receive. They'll be compensated for the destruction brought upon their world but they shouldn't get much more than that in my opinion.
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>>5909385
>Mask design
Maybe something like Tunon the Adjudicator from Tyranny?

>Arthen
>No. They refused to disobey the stubborn ancient to the detriment of the Empire, they’ll pledge on their own or they’ll drown in their shame.
Well put.

>Emperor

>Attempt to mend relations with House Lochstrum through a symbolic gesture of some variety.
One with more meat than a simple symbolic measure - the tax income levied from De Croize shall first be channeled to restore Envarth. In essence, the imperial treasury shall be paying for its restoration through war spoils. A reasonable effort for someone who supported us for part of the war.

The implicit rebuke is that we will only restore what was lost d not much more. For abandoning us, they will not grow richer like the others houses (and us) will that stayed active until the end.

>Propagandists
>If incompetence were always punished by death you’d have few subjects to rule. Have half of them removed and replaced. The remaining half will be motivated to do well next time or join the ranks of those let go.
I’m a softie, sue me.

>Houses
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
Excepting Lochstrum, of course, but I have no other orders for them.

>Nightshayd
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
>Forge correspondence that implicates De Croize in the death of the false Emperor.
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>>5909413
House Lochstrum didn't surrender to the Tripartite Entente, they disobeyed orders, and left the armada to reinforce their territories. If nothing changes, they'll most likely try to pursue the pirates responsible for its destruction themselves.
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>>5909385
>>5909430
+1
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>>5909431
Point is: they abandoned the campaign when we had just achieved our greatest victory.

For the mask, I remembered Skyrim having some cool ones and I found this. What do you guys think?
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>>5909443
That's a very significant point, which I'll be mentioning when you're divvying out the spoils.
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>>5909341
>Excellent way to make major nobles not want to marry our daughters.
Not if being adopted to Heinrich status is a benefit. Besides, people still marry our sons even though the kids are Heinrich's.
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>>5909351
This.
We need to coup-proof our regime. Its not an absolute empire, but this is us taking the steps to change that.
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>>5909474
That can work from an overwhelming position of strength. Take Harold for instance, he married a Heinrich woman but he took her family name. Most nobles however? They'll feel insulted by the notion.
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>>5909389
>Give them one last chance. You suppose failure is inevitable, the only problem is when it doesn’t stop.
Alby isn't a republic serial villain. He isn't the "you have failed me for the last time" style emperor
>Demand the surrender of one of the enemy houses. They are in no position to resist, and should be well-aware of this.
Lets wrap this up
>Do as they have been for the time being. Their service has been excellent, thus far.
>Attempt to uproot House Rothsford’s spy network.
Hornswoggle turned tail, there will be a day to take him down, but not today. Roths are our current enemy.
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>>5909483
They would still marry sons to our daughters for the same reason they have been marrying daughters to our sons. If keeping the original last name was a dealbreaker for marriage to us, we wouldn't have ANYone marrying our kids.
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>>5909490
The rules are different between men and women anon. It is expected that the daughters take the name of the family they're marrying into but the same can't be said of the sons.
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>>5909392
>>5909401
>>5909402
>>5909403
>>5909404
>>5909410
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>>5909433
>>5909485
Otto went with a simple, silver mask.

You deem that it would be unwise to push House Arthen, especially when the shame of standing by as the Empire punishes traitors to the throne must burn so deeply.

You decide not to execute your propagandists, as despite their apparent incompetence, they’re still propagandists and there’s a high likelihood any survivors could spin you as a problem.

You attempt to mend relations with House Lochstrum by promising to repair Subregion Enarvis first, and to make your best effort to avenge their losses.

You leave the remainder of the overt loyal noble houses as they are, for they’ve done well.

You task House Nightshayd with uprooting House Rothsford’s spy network before they can continue their sedition.

The fleets are partitioned. Four are to be sent to reclaim Licciri, eight are to be sent to crush Ouferet. The particulars are beneath your concern as Emperor. The Voidmaster will handle the details, surely.

>Roll 1d6+2 to mend relations with Lochstrum. +1 [Family Ties], +1 [Shame]
>Roll 1d6+1 for Nightshayd to uproot the Rothsfords. +1 [Spy Network]
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Rolled 3, 1, 2 = 6 (3d6)

>>5909838
>Enemy Turn:

The Tripartite Entente scrambles in a desperate bid to survive!

House Ustong attempts to make an exodus into the Lost Reaches!

House De Croize delves into its vaults for a means of saving themselves!

The Rothsford spy network attempts to smuggle their lineage away!

>The enemy’s rolls are, in order-
>1d6-1 for House Ustong to launch an exodus. +1 [Pioneering Experience], -2 [No Time]
>1d6+0 for House De Croize to delve into the vaults. +/-0 [Impossible to Predict]
>1d6+2 for House Rothsford to smuggle their lineage. +1 [Spy Network], +1 [No Fleets Over Jaifah]
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5909838
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5909838
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>>5909844
>>5909846
Lochstrum is a flop but rooting out the Rothsfords goes way better than expected? Interesting.
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>>5909840
Ustong doesn't make it very far. At all. De Croize is KAPUT. And Rothsford might have gotten away with it, if it weren't for our meddling Spies.

>>5909844
Lochstrum is throwing a fucking fit. Wonderful.
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>>5909840
Tripartite suck so badly they can’t even escape
>>5909844
Family dispute time yeah!
>>5909846
Rothsford got hunted like dogs
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>>5909840
>>5909844
>>5909846
House Ustong is desperate. Unlike the rest of the noble lineages, won by great warriors and bought by princely merchants, their origins are humble. Not in the palaces above, but the mud below. For hundreds of years, they have worked themselves to the bone, ever-patient, ever-humble, each generation gaining a little more for their sons and daughters. The madness of House Heinrich has gone too far. Soon, they’ll be battering down the very gates of Ouferet…

The reasons are beyond debate. The only hope for Ustong lies beyond, in the stars. They’ll have to venture into the unknown and start again from nothing, but haven’t they always? Better a roll of the dice than certain death. The nobles and their servants hurry, carefully rustling cattle, scrambling ships, and filling them to the brim with all they’ll need for the future. In all of their preparations, they made one fatal mistake.

They tried to save them all. The elderly, the sick, the commoners with no ties to their name save decades of tilling the same dirt… This slows them. In the end, only a few dozen ships make it into orbit, and none dare leave without their fellows. If they had one more month, a few more days, mere hours, they might escape, they tell themselves. Once the imperial armada arrived, they knew they were fools to even try.
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>>5909878
House De Croize has ever been distinguished by its reason. Far from it to submit to the crass warmongers of House Heinrich, nor to those cowards in their blood who would yield to mere force! Cannons? Lasers? Pah! Mere parlour tricks compared to the miracles of the ancients! These relics in the palace of Vintrola are little maintained and less understood, but the air of mystery about them is marvelous. There are so many…

Almost since its inception, the sons and daughters of De Croize have gathered artifacts of old wherever they could be found. The cultural pieces are what’s interesting by their reckoning, while scientific principles can be replicated, unique contexts can only ever be forgotten. Still, they are no spoiled princelings to spurn old technology, and have accumulated quite the lump sum of it over the centuries.

It’s dangerous, yes, but the higher-ups know best, and give the go-ahead to tear them from their resting places. Anything, everything that can be used! House De Croize is in need of a weapon! The search goes on, ravenously picking over the remains of their ancestor’s work, until, finally, one curious young boy finds a cylinder, tucked away on a corner shelf. He twists it open, releasing a sea of chrome.

A nano-plague is spreading on Vintrola! Matthieu must have gone mad! The masses in the streets are in a panic and all that remains of the house retinue is in disarray.

How should loyalists on-scene handle the situation?

>Bombard the palace using the orbital defenses!
>Quarantine the continent through the sea!
>Go in guns-blazing and stop it by hand!
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>>5909880
The Rothsford spy network moves with remarkable efficiency. Even under threat of execution, they do not hesitate. They remember their oaths and don’t hesitate to enact their plans. The noble houses of the Empire may be lost, but the nobility of Mankind is not of the Empire alone.

House Rothsford’s contacts in House Chavenac are few and far between, but they are sympathetic. It is only sensible, after all. Both have no love lost for House Heinrich, both are of an aristocratic blood. Both have a centuries-spanning legacy, unlike the power-hungry fools on Mars!

Against hope, they come through for their cousins in House Rothsford. Dozens of transports under a discrete military escort arrive. The procession is quick and transpires without incident.

It isn’t until the last Rothsford is onboard that they realize these ships are crewed by undercover Nightshayd.
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>>5909882
You gain an audience with Theo Lochstrum, now near-ancient, and speak candidly. “Look, merc-, uh, brother-in-law, it is to my understanding that Galileo- your son? or your cousin?- cannot follow orders correctly. That’s fine, I’m a forgiving Emperor and won’t be executing him for this. U-Unless he deserves it later, but he doesn’t yet. I just wanted to inform you that, despite this failure, House Lochstrum will still be getting a high enough share of the traitor loot to repair Enarvis and that will be our first priority, as the locals weren’t able to defend themselves.”

You never have gotten quite used to the feeling of seeing a man knelt on the floor while you sit on an elevated throne. “Do you have any questions?”

He follows the protocol. “No, your majesty.” Straight to the point. It's always a relief when they don't bother with the niceties.

You smile. “Good! You can go, then. That was all.”

You feel like that went well! Which is why it mystifies you when communications with Lochstrum seem to go from distant to cold!

Relations with House Lochstrum have fallen. They’ve gone from friendly to neutral toward the throne.

You hope the imperial navy finds more success with hands-on diplomacy.
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>>5909880
>>Bombard the palace using the orbital defenses!
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>>5909880
>>Bombard the palace using the orbital defenses!
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>>5909880
>Bombard the palace using the orbital defenses!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjmnq44H6Wo
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>>5909880
>Bombard the palace using the orbital defenses!

Take no chances with nano-swarms!

QM, speaking of tech - what is research and development like in the Empire? Does our technology advance?
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>>5909880
>Bombard the palace using the orbital defenses!
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>>5909880
>Quarantine the continent through the sea!
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>>5909880
>Bombard the palace using the orbital defenses!
Bomb. Everything. Now.

and it seems my comment on Heinrich Luck held true lmao
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>>5909880
>Go in guns-blazing and stop it by hand!
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>>5909951
I'll repost my previous answer to this
>Technology has largely stagnated under the caution of the last few dynasties that slowly declined into a reflexive mistrust of entirely new ideas. This isn't helped by the fact that Mankind still hasn't discovered cheap, readily available superconductors and has reached a limit in how far conventional transistors can be miniaturized, on the scale of nanometers. Most innovation is finding new iterations building on eras of previous progress, which isn't helped by Mankind's broad technological superiority over its neighbours. Upending the status quo would be a difficult and expensive but worthwhile endeavour.
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>>5909951
The technological stagnation mentioned is why I've repeatedly mentioned founding a grand research institute to give the Empire a technological kick in the pants, whether it's continuing to push existing technology or throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks. We can't break out of this stagnancy without it.
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>>5910478
>>5910485
The De Croize really haven't helped our case on technological innovation with this disaster they've caused.
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>>5910492
We can use it as an excuse to transfer assets to a group that more openly studies these things in safer ways than “touch the things until you find a weapon” at least. They’ve given a clear reason why you don’t simply stash technology in a basement until someone decides they really need a military miracle now. You study it in advance so you can make informed decisions on when it’s used.

People can squirm about these mistakes happening again, but if experimented on an otherwise barren planet we can minimize the damage it causes far more easily than De Croize could.
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>>5909891
>>5909921
>>5909942
>>5909951
>>5910054
>>5910154
>>5910279
The loyalists on Vintrola seize the orbital defenses and bombard the palace to rubble, then the rubble to dust, then the dust to glass, then the glass to a crater. Not content to stop there, they continue bombardment until the palatial valley is reduced to fields of ash. Four million are killed as a direct result of their actions, and millions more lose everything in the process. To save a planet of six billion, they feel this is a small price to pay.

As a consequence, those treasures stored in the De Croize palace are gone, as is Matthieu himself. Perhaps he did get the last laugh in the end.

>...

You are Angelica Heinrich, secondborn daughter of Alphonse Heinrich, first Emperor of his line, and Voidmaster of the Eternal Empire by merit of conquering the Federation of Uvarth. Eight fleets are gathered below you to smite the enemy at his heart in Ouferet. Four others are en-route to Licciri, to eradicate those who would dare occupy Licciri. Oskar II was the obvious choice for admiral, so you left in command. They should fare well enough.

When you arrive, you find a pitiful sight. A few dozen civilian freighters in orbit, and hundreds more planetside. There are two proper military fleets, both outnumbered five to one. Their defenses are no better than El-Yaniv's. You expect this to be a simple battle when, predictably, you receive an unencrypted transmission. It can be none other than their heir, Sergio.

"Voidmaster. Give me your word that the blood of Ustong will not be erased, and you will have my surrender. I never wanted this."

How should you respond?

>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.
>Give him your word, fibbing. It's a rather trivial thing, but if it brings this headstrong young fool to put his hands in cuffs without so much as a shot fired, so be it.
>Refuse. The only fate worthy of the wretched House Ustong is destruction, and you will crush them here and now.
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.
They will be made destitute for their treason but they will not be erased.
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.
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>>5910532
They're outnumbered four to one, my mistake. They're still dramatically outclassed and without their would-be Emperor, at worse odds than El-Yaniv.
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>>5910532
>Refuse. The only fate worthy of the wretched House Ustong is destruction, and you will crush them here and now.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, fibbing. It's a rather trivial thing, but if it brings this headstrong young fool to put his hands in cuffs without so much as a shot fired, so be it.
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>>5910532
>Refuse. The only fate worthy of the wretched House Ustong is destruction, and you will crush them here and now.
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.
We can kill them with the Nightshayd if we need to.
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>>5910532
>Stand by your previous actions. Surrender will be respected, but the Emperor decides what happens to his House afterward.
Angelica hasn’t attacked anyone who surrendered yet. I’m willing to continue that. But that’s no promise to save his line beyond the simple acknowledgement they did surrender rather than fight.

Angelica may not like how easy all this ultimately was, but there’s no glory to be found in slaughtering mostly civilian craft with an armada regardless.
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>>5910619
+1
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>>5910532
>>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.

If we give our word, we keep our word. Forget the moral element, if no one trusts us we are in deep shit.
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>>5910619
Supportive this

I don’t like the complete mercy route for her
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>>5910532
>Refuse. The only fate worthy of the wretched House Ustong is destruction, and you will crush them here and now.
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>>5910532
>>5910619
+1
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, fibbing. It's a rather trivial thing, but if it brings this headstrong young fool to put his hands in cuffs without so much as a shot fired, so be it.
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.
I don't fancy killing Ustong children. If this doesn't win then >>5910619
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>>5910687
Why does everyone think we are going to obliterate everything? We were just going to kill the main leaders and those who actively participated, I assumed children were off the table here.
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>>5910532
>>Refuse. The only fate worthy of the wretched House Ustong is destruction, and you will crush them here and now.
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>>5910532
>>Refuse. The only fate worthy of the wretched House Ustong is destruction, and you will crush them here and now.
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>>5910559
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>>5910698
Why do you guys want to kill them all?
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>>5910701
I want to commit genocide on traitors, is it that difficult to understand?
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>>5910706
I am this anon >>5910559
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>>5910706
But by genociding, you'll be killing more than just the traitors.
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>>5910532
>Refuse. The only fate worthy of the wretched House Ustong is destruction, and you will crush them here and now.
They have sowed the wind and now they shall reap the whirlwind
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>>5910716
We can make them reap what they've sown without killing everyone anon.
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.
I would like to play at least one civ quest where the MC doesn't commit genocide.
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>>5910715
"I want to commit genocide."
"But you'll kill innocents!"
Do you know how silly this sounds?
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>>5910764
>"I do not want peace! I want problems! Always!"
nice
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>>5910764
It does if you put it like that but you didn't do so originally. You said "on traitors" but if you don't care about guilt or innocence then that addition doesn't matter.
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>>5910532

>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.

This is the wisest strategy - we can torture the traitor houses for infinity once the war is over if we want
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>>5910767
Extinct houses can't rebel anymore
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.

>>5910792
Non-extinct houses will rebel to protect themselves from the mad genocider

I gave up on Space Monkey with Wrix, please god, not again
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>>5910532
>Give him your word, honestly. After their meddling with Freyja, you'd like them all dead, but you'll put in a word with Alby to spare the risk of another lost fleet.
We're not going to exterminate their line, but we're under no obligation to not dismantle their house.
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Rolled 6, 2, 5, 6 = 19 (4d6)

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>>5910828
You scowl, gripping the armrest of the captain's chair as you speak with royal authority.

"Traitor scum such as yourself deserve only death. But I am not Emperor Albin, and the reign of House Heinrich is not mine to guide. Surrender, and I give my honest word that I will grant Ustong the respect that is to be afforded prisoners of war, and ask that my brother consider your lack of resistance in his final judgment."

There's a deep tension as he considers your response, then a low, defeated sigh.

"I swore to serve my house, and now, I must disobey my house for its own sake. House Heinrich has been merciful in the past. My life is forfeit and Ustong will never outlive this shame, of that I have no doubt, but Ustong will endure. This is the best I could hope for."

"You have my surrender, Voidmaster."

At that, the Ustong fleet yields and their mercenaries, loyal to a fault, follow suit. Yet another bloodless victory. Many admirals would be pleased, but you are rather frustrated. This is likely going to be your last true campaign. You intend to keep your word, but secretly hope that Alby wants these meddlesome colonials gone just as much as you do.

>...

You are Emperor Albin, son of Emperor Alphonse, and you've received yet another magnificent piece of news! Your sister Angelica has gotten the Ustong forces over Ouferet to surrender without a fight! This has taken you one step closer to the renewed stability of House Heinrich's reign!

You receive a rather detailed holo-recording. To your chagrin, the Ustong forces in Licciri were less willing to lay down. What's more, they've switched over to some convoluted new format, citing concerns of reliability. No matter, such things are beneath your concern. You review the data closely.

>https://rentry.org/6vpx7vso

Kane Ustong has fallen in battle! With this stroke, the navy of the Tripartite Entente is no more! The civil war is lost, and those dissidents that remain are certain to know it!

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6-3 for House Rothsford to keep the will to fight. -1 [Lost Cause], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6-3 for House Ustong to keep the will to fight. -1 [Lost Cause], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6-3 for House De Croize to keep the will to fight. -1 [Lost Cause], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6-3 for Minor Houses to keep the will to fight. -1 [Lost Cause], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
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>>5910915
Hey uh QM, Rothsford already surrendered when we took their Throne and took the whole Gilded Belt all that was left was their spy network but that has been destroyed by Nightshayd last roll so who exactly are you rolling for here?
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>>5910921
Subregion Jaifah was still under Tripartite control as you never bombed or conquered it. The Rothsfords of El-Yaniv surrendered and an overwhelming majority of their nobles were caught, but there was a chance their garrison and the bottom of their house would continue in their absence. Nightshayd is excellent at subterfuge but has little ability to take and hold territory.

At this point, it's largely a formality. This war is as good as over. If by some miracle they survive another turn, they'll roll again, then again, etc.
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>>5910929
Ah ok then
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>>5910915
So Ustong lays down in full, De Croize lays down with some muttering, and Rothsford and the minor houses remain fanatical.

In-character, I’m not wholly surprised at Rothsford resistance given they crowned a false emperor, but the minor houses are more surprising. That propaganda piece really hit them hard, huh?
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>>5910532
>As a consequence, those treasures stored in the De Croize palace are gone, as is Matthieu himself. Perhaps he did get the last laugh in the end.
Wouldn't the literal rapidly spreading grey goo have (probably) destroyed all the artifacts/killed Matthieu anyway? I say we choose the best possible option considering the circumstances.
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>>5910948
Even if it might not have, I have no regrets about ordering it to be glassed. Some achievements of the past are best forgotten with extreme prejudice.
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>>5910943
Honestly we may need a semi independent none noble affiliated group that aren't just a bunch of yes men to start approving or disapproving Albins PR pieces cause it seems the guy has the self awareness of a brick wall when it comes to realizing if saying certain things is a good idea or not. Like seriously with the Lochstrum diplo failure that's like what 4 times now that Albin messed up PR that he personally thought went well?
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>>5910943
its a good thing its those 2 which means that there are only 2 systems which need to be bombarded so we can split pretty evenly
>>5910954
The Albin autism theory only gains more credibility
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>>5910915
Those holdouts of House Ustong and House De Croize which remain surrender without issue.

House Rothsford, on the other hand, refuse to surrender and intend to keep up the resistance in Jaifah! Typical. Their dedicated servants and low-ranking members know they're at the end of their rope, of course they'll fight like cornered rats

The Minor Houses have nothing left to lose and pledge to fight on! Perhaps the fools think themselves beyond reach of the throne, in far-flung Perdita. You'll soon teach them the folly of their ways.
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>>5910960
You analyze the strategic situation.

>The Territories of the Eternal Empire:
>Imperial Core:
>Subregion Mars: 30/30 Resolve. Throneworld of the Empire, Center of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Tinth'agel: 24/24 Resolve. Center of House Arthen, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]
>Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Arthen Fleet (Unknown Admiral)
>Subregion Licciri: 7/12 Resolve. Holding of House Soluton. [Throne]
>Imperial Fleet (Oskar II Schafer), Imperial Fleet (Lewis Phillips), Heinrich Fleet (Robert Heinrich), Soluton Fleet (Douglas Soluton)
>Subregion Tennsey: 16/16 Resolve. Center of Hookware Corp, Major Shipyard. [Neutral]
>Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Hooker Fleet (Unknown Admiral), Soluton Fleet (Thomas Soluton)

>Primus Expanse:
>Subregion Uarseilles: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House De Croize. [Throne]
>Subregion Khamulod: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Arthen. [Neutral]
>Subregion Lrypso: 10/20 Resolve. Center of House Soluton, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Vintrola: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House De Croize. [Throne]
>Subregion Nenov: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Gilded Belt:
>Subregion El-Yaniv: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Rothsford. [Throne]
>Subregion Jaifah: 12/12 Resolve. Holding of House Rothsford. [Tripartite]

>Martial Stars:
>Subregion Plutul: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Matera: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Rausch. [Throne]
>Subregion Aegis: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Phillips. [Throne]
>Subregion Nabichi: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of House Schafer. [Throne]

>Farfallen Chasm:
>Subregion Terminus: 5/10 Resolve. Holding of House Ustong. [Throne]
>Subregion Ouferet: 20/20 Resolve. Center of House Ustong. [Throne]
>Imperial Fleet (Angelica Heinrich), Imperial Fleet (Harold Heinrich), Imperial Fleet (Seamus Arthen), Imperial Fleet (Killian Aboze), Heinrich Fleet (Gregor Heinrich), Soluton Fleet (Nathaniel Soluton), De Croize Fleet (Francis De Croize)
>Subregion Nusquam: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Ravaged Wastes:
>Subregion Uvarth: 20/20 Resolve. Holding of House Heinrich, Major Shipyard. [Throne]
>Subregion Enarvis: 1/8 Resolve. Center of House Lochstrum. [Neutral]
>Subregion Neo-Venus: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

>Nebula Stratus:
>Subregion Perdita: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Tripartite]
>Subregion Bizeon: 6/6 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]

The continued resistance is little more than an eyesore on the territorial map. The supremacy of your rule is nigh-absolute. All you need to do is enforce it.
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>>5910962
How should you subjugate these last bastions of treason?

>Launch an Invasion. Boots on the ground, the Empire will reclaim its territories.
>Commence Bombardment: If the enemy continues to reject the throne, their cities will be glassed.
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.

You're also in a rather unique position, sitting on the cusp of victory but not yet triumphant. This could shape perception of the conflict.

Should you do anything?

>Boast of the martial invincibility and proven legitimacy of House Heinrich.
>Proclaim the importance of peace and prosperity between the noble houses.
>Downplay the significance of the civil war, calling it a mere criminal power-grab.
>Mourn the lives of the masses, lost for the sake of their rulers' greed.
>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
>Condemn the reckless misuse of old tech which nearly doomed Vintrola.
>Denounce the xenophobic rhetoric which led loyal Minor Houses astray.
>On second thought... No, you are quite content not touching this with a ten-foot pole.

Do you have any commands for your allied houses?

>Yes. You have something specific in mind. (What?)
>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
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>>5910962
Which fleet is Otto in? Still Harolds?
>>5910963
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.
literally, no reason to do anything costly
>On second thought... No, you are quite content not touching this with a ten-foot pole.
I don't trust either Albin or the Propagandists
>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.

So anons, are we gonna do another victory celebration after the war? Would be a good contrast after the Martian trials
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>>5910963
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.
No need to rush.

>Denounce the xenophobic rhetoric which led loyal Minor Houses astray.
Out of all these this is probably what id imagine Albin would do if his almost every major action wasn't being puppeteered by a cable of internet strangers.

>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
Nah they good.
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>>5910963

>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.

We should deny the rebels an epic last stand. Instead, we should encircle them and slowly strangle as we return to regular business. The idea is to turn the rebellion in a minor news item and the imperium at large will forget about them. The collapse will be pitiful when it happens.

>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
>Downplay the significance of the civil war, calling it a mere criminal power-grab.

We can do both at once I think
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>>5910948
It would have, there was no possibility of survival for the palace at that point. Orbital bombardment was the wisest choice.

>>5910970
Otto is currently recovering on Mars and undergoing therapy to help him adjust to speaking through a voicebox and drink through a straw. Interestingly enough, he had no problems with the chronic pain.
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>>5910963
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.

>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
>Downplay the significance of the civil war, calling it a mere criminal power-grab.

>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
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>>5910963
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.
>Downplay the significance of the civil war, calling it a mere criminal power-grab.
>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need
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>>5910963
>Launch an Invasion. Boots on the ground, the Empire will reclaim its territories.
We're not in a rush. The rebellion will not be granted a last stand and will instead die quietly and ignominiously.
>On second thought... No, you are quite content not touching this with a ten-foot pole.
I've so had it with constant crit fails. I don't even want to go near PR again.
>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.

QM, meta question I think I can ask now the war's over and Lughan is finally dead. Why did House Arthen so steadfastly want nothing to do with the rebellion? I'd have thought the old lich would have wanted in, or at least had some involvement as a final middle finger to us.
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>>5910963
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.
We got time.
>Downplay the significance of the civil war, calling it a mere criminal power-grab.
>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
These two complement each other. Just no 1s for the love of God.
>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need
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>>5911031
Also I think "legitimacy" fits better than "significance". The civil war was significant, it will be a turning point in our history, but it was not legitimate.
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>>5910963
>Commence Bombardment: If the enemy continues to reject the throne, their cities will be glassed.
We have been bloodless in our planetary conquests up until now. If that isn’t enough to make them bend the knee after their fleets are gone, they will not be given the dignity of a proper fight.

>On second thought... No, you are quite content not touching this with a ten-foot pole.
I want to vote something else… but we have what we want. If we roll again I can’t guarantee it won’t be with a brand-new “terrible propagandist” negative modifier.

>Allied Houses
Begin formulating the necessary plans to ensure this affront to the Empire does not occur again. The military matters are a formality now, it’s time to start discussing the future.
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>>5910954
he just like me fr

(Seriously allistics are some of the worse people to talk to. Just say what you mean goddamnit! Fucking subtext fetishists the lot of them I swear )
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>>5910963
>Settle in for a seige
Also having the rebellion technically still going o. but with no threat can be good politically. anyone resisting our reforms could be branded as a rebel sympathiser

>Yes you have something else in mind
Start setting up the reforms
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>>5909495
We make the rules. If anything it would encourage *more* marriages because no matter what, there kids are in the Heinreich chain of succession.

For example, Angelica's kids are of lower status than Karl's will be. You don't think Scott's other grandparents wouldn't recognize the advantage him getting promoted would bring?
We have four sisters I think Heinreichizing all our nieces and nephews will be a good incentive for the other houses to play ball.
And critically holds off the chance of them or their kids pressing a claim to the throne from the outside of the house. It's far easier to negotiate inherentence within a single royal family (see: The Saudis and the Windsors) than it is to deal with a claim from someone outside your power structure who is less likely to have loyalty to the House.
Alphonse's descendants are going to spread regardless, making sure they are all of House Heinrich is the best way to manage them.
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>>5910977
Supporting this
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>>5910971
Changing my middle vote to
>On second thought... No, you are quite content not touching this with a ten-foot pole.
Out of a mix of spite and cause it's clear my preference has 0% chance of winning.
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>>5910963
>Launch an Invasion. Boots on the ground, the Empire will reclaim its territories.
>Denounce the xenophobic rhetoric which led loyal Minor Houses astray.
>Yes. You have something specific in mind. (What?)
All forces
Primus Expanse:
Subregion Nenov: 8/8 Resolve. Holding of the Minor Houses. [Neutral]
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>>5911053
This is me

>Denounce the xenophobic rhetoric which led loyal Minor Houses astray.
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>>5911189
Anddd changing my middle vote back to
>Denounce the xenophobic rhetoric which led loyal Minor Houses astray.
Cause apparently the pro xenophile anons just woke up or something. (Sorry QM won't change it again)
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>>5911264
We Ben 10 now
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>>5911268
We WILL fuck the plantussy.
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>>5911264
Well its a big galaxy and if I remember correctly QM said we are just stuck in our little corner so it makes sense we get this cleared considering we are gonna have to deal with these slimy fuckers far more in the future.
(also there are only 2 human factions left near us, the Kingdom and the Raiders and the rest are xenos kek)
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>>5910963
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.

>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
>Downplay the significance of the civil war, calling it a mere criminal power-grab.

>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
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>>5910963
>Launch an Invasion. Boots on the ground, the Empire will reclaim its territories.
Good PR.
>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
>Downplay the significance of the civil war, calling it a mere criminal power-grab.
I like gambling.
>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
No need to complicate things.
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>>5910963
>Commence Bombardment: If the enemy continues to reject the throne, their cities will be glassed.

>Boast of the martial invincibility and proven legitimacy of House Heinrich.

>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
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>>5910963
>Settle in for a Siege. This may take longer, but it will minimize mutual casualties.

>Praise the loyalists of De Croize, who rebelled against an unjust rebellion.
>Denounce the xenophobic rhetoric which led loyal Minor Houses astray.

>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
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>>5910963
>Commence Bombardment: If the enemy continues to reject the throne, their cities will be glassed.

>On second thought... No, you are quite content not touching this with a ten-foot pole.

>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
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>>5910963
>Launch an Invasion. Boots on the ground, the Empire will reclaim its territories.
>On second thought... No, you are quite content not touching this with a ten-foot pole.
>No. You are in an excellent position, there is no need.
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>>5911008
The answer Alphonse gave Lughan when he asked why he rebelled satisfied him. This caused enough whiplash he broke his house's customary sobriety and was haunted by it ever since. That's the reason he left the next generation of Arthen's rulers in the palace's care, allowed Otto to be trained by his lineage, and spit on De Croize rather than offer them aid. Lughan respected House Heinrich's warlike tendencies and agreed with the direction it's taken the Empire, but had a single, fundamental disagreement with the ruling dynasty. As a child, he swore that he'd serve House Vonduul for as long as he lived, and clung to that over a century. If he didn't feel bound by his word, he would've forgone mobilizing to join the armada to invade the Tripartite worlds himself.
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>>5911813
The Arthen are hardcore, we definitely want them at our side
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>>5911828

Was just thinking the same thing.

No doubt Lughan would have toppled the Von Duul family himself if he hadn’t sworn the oath, he seems like a badass
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Rolled 1, 5 = 6 (2d6)

>>5910970
>>5910971
>>5910977
>>5911002
>>5911004
>>5911008
>>5911031
>>5911041
>>5911053
>>5911247
>>5911180
>>5911241
>>5911264
>>5911286
>>5911374
>>5911419
>>5911478
>>5911514
>>5911631
You see no reason to risk imperial casualties when you can get the same result and win a symbolic victory by enforcing an embargo. Jaifah and Perdita will fall. It is only a matter of time.

You are deeply passionate about alien species and confident that subjugating them, be it by word or sword, will only make the Empire stronger. That said, most of your subordinates are close-minded and feel that the Empire isn't big enough to earn the obedience of more than one genome. In the interest of avoiding further controversy, you decide to compromise and focus on political aims.

Two talking points are significant. First, those in De Croize who rebelled against the rebellion ought to be praised for their loyalty. Second, the significance of the civil war must be downplayed- it was not an existential struggle between ancient houses, but a power-grab by a handful of traitors whose arrogance was crushed in turn. It has set a precedent for the consequences of rebellion, no more, no less. You feel confident enough that you can manage this. If not... maybe you really will consider executing your propagandists.

The resistance on Jaifah and Perdita continues to smoulder.

>Roll 1d6+3 to praise De Croize. +1 [Ruling Dynasty], +1 [Noble Prestige], +1 [Recent Major Victory]
>Roll 1d6+2 to downplay the civil war. +1 [Ruling Dynasty], +1 [Recent Major Victory]

>The enemy's rolls are, in order-
>1d6-4 for House Rothsford to keep the will to fight. -2 [Lost Cause], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
>1d6-4 for Minor Houses to keep the will to fight. -2 [Lost Cause], -2 [Overwhelming Odds]
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Rolled 2 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5911834
We just have to not roll a 1
De Croize roll
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5911834
And Downplaying the Civil War.
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Rolled 6 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5911834

Having incompetent propagandists is sort of typical for a militarist empire, isn’t it
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>>5911841

KEK

Fuck it, kill them all and start fresh. Albin should turn them over for the squid aliens to “play with” in one of their senior centers/insane asylums
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>>5911834
>>5911841
Have mercy QM... take the other one.
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>>5911841
I'm so fucking done. I'm not rolling again, my rolls are cursed.
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>>5911841
lmao, Albin the autist strikes again
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>>5911841
Albin: Civil war was not that bad.
Our neighbours: These guys had a civil war?!
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>>5911841
House Arthen moves.
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So when are we executing the propagandists?
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>>5911834
>>5911840
>>5911841
You make a careful point of separating De Croize in the minds of the masses. There are those renegades who betrayed their Emperor, stealing the name of De Croize with them, and there are those heroes, the true House De Croize, who held steadfast to their duties and mutinied at first possible opportunity. The former are traitor scum, the latter are the latest sons and daughters of a long, proud noble lineage.

This is successful and brings a sense of continuity between House De Croize before and after the civil war. Their prestige is unblemished by the ambitious folly of their relatives and they are, for all intents and purposes, a loyal house. The De Croize themselves are deeply grateful for this consideration. This will tremendously ease the process of reintegration.

Unfortunately, you got a little carried away detailing the civil war for the media. By your words, the handful of bitter skirmishes are elevated into a generation-defining struggle of epic proportions, a war so dire it even stole the imperial heir's very face. From the beginning, you describe the Tripartite's holo-tape declaration and your own sweat in excruciating detail, followed by the desperate reaction. Every part of the conflict that can be made larger than life, is embellished to no end and engraved on the public perception.

The ERC's heroic sacrifice against Ustong, the vicious battle against the accursed false Emperor of Rothsford, and the elegant heist of De Croize's own armada. The decision of the Minor Houses in Perdita to reject life in the cosmos, the tragic ruin of Enarvis, and the ruthless betrayal by Ol' Hornswoggle. Even the admirals themselves are exalted, becoming villains and heroes of a dramatic tale even grander than the conquest of Uvarth. The handful of holdouts are lionized, going from a momentary inconvenience to a doomed but determined attempt to spurn the very legacy of old Earth.

Your speeches were a propagandistic masterpiece and will be fertile fuel for holo-documentaries for decades to come. The only problem is that this is the exact opposite of what you intended. Rather than ensure they would be forgotten, by your words, the treachery of the Tripartite Entente has been made legendary. At least the Empire seems stronger for defeating them.
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>>5911882
The reaction to this has you bamboozled. It seems you're surrounded by illogical maniacs, and those infernal propagandists have done nothing but magnify the problem!

"AGH! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

>Fire the propagandists. Literally, incinerate them in the palace basement.
>Jail the propagandists. They'll be castrated and sent to Cradus XVII, to break rock for the Empire.
>Torture the propagandists. For their incompetence, they'll know the sharpest pain in their every neuron.
>Execute the propagandists. A simple firing squad will suffice for their failures.
>Lay off the propandists. It's best to let them go, as it clearly isn't worth keeping them.
>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding.

Meanwhile, the remnants of the Tripartite fare poorly. A couple of months after the embargo was declared, the masses on Jaifah rose in frenzied rebellion and overthrew their Rothsford masters! They then contacted the armada in orbit and turned the renegade worlds over to imperial oversight without delay. A heartwarming display of zeal for the Empire.

All that remains are the Minor Houses, and they are in the throes of vicious infighting. As the embargo strained them and they caught word of Rothsford's surrender, conveniently "slipping" through the information lockdown, the rebels collapsed into near-anarchy. As far as anyone can tell, there's a miniature civil war being fought in Subregion Perdita, between three microfactions.

Loyalists to the throne, Tripartite lost-causers, and xenophobes who are convinced shape-shifting aliens have infiltrated both of the others and want nothing short of total nonhuman destruction. There's no telling which side is going to win here, but the loyalists have the advantage and seem to be gaining momentum. An interesting dilemma.

What should the Empire do?

>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
>Give the loyalists orbital drops of weapons and supplies. This should speed things along without getting involved.
>Do nothing but continue monitoring the situation. If De Croize could prove their loyalty through counter-rebellion, so can they.
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>>5911884

>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding.

I’m honestly tempted to just burn them alive but tragically Albin is probsbly too practical for this.

>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.

This is an embarrassment and we should just send a huge fleet to crush them ASAP. We should basically eliminate these rebel Minor Houses and instead locate junior officers who did well amongst the recent fighting and elevate these guys to take their place.
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>>5911884
>Fire the propagandists. Literally, incinerate them in the palace basement.
>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
Why would we keep rewarding failures?
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>>5911884
>Lay off the propandists. It's best to let them go, as it clearly isn't worth keeping them.
>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with smarter funding.
Silver lining is that we can use impactfulness of the Civil War to push the reforms we wanted. We should also look into how the money was being spent instead of just pouring more in.
>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
Like Uvarth, we shall restore order with the help of those loyal to our cause.
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>>5911884
>Fire the propagandists. Literally, incinerate them in the palace basement.

Burn baby burn

>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
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>>5911884
>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding.
>Torture the propagandists. For their incompetence, they'll know the sharpest pain in their every neuron.
>Give the loyalists orbital drops of weapons and supplies. This should speed things along without getting involved.
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>>5911897
+1
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>>5911884
>Lay off the propandists. It's best to let them go, as it clearly isn't worth keeping them.
>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding
All the fools out and hire a new group.
>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
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>>5911884
>Torture the propagandists. For their incompetence, they'll know the sharpest pain in their every neuron.
>Fire the propagandists. Literally, incinerate them in the palace basement.

>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
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>>5911884
>>Lay off the propandists. It's best to let them go, as it clearly isn't worth keeping them.
>>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding

Yup, clean em out, increase funding for the new guys.

>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.

Let's end this shitshow once and for all.
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>>5911884
>Lay off the propandists. It's best to let them go, as it clearly isn't worth keeping them.
>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding.
>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
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>>5911884
>Praise the propagandists
>Do nothing but continue monitoring the situation. If De Croize could prove their loyalty through counter-rebellion, so can they.
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>>5911884
>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding.
>Launch an invasion and sort this mess out hand-to-hand. There's no reason for continued lawlessness.
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>>5911897
Spend smarter not harder +1
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>>5911882
>Your speeches were a propagandistic masterpiece and will be fertile fuel for holo-documentaries for decades to come
Absolute hilarity. At the very least this will cement House Heinrich as absolute chads that, despite terrible odds (that never existed) always overcomes adversity. We should begin making a Space Opera holoflick Trilogy immediately.
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>>5911888
>>5911895
>>5911897
>>5911902
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>>5911990
You are sorely... SORELY... tempted to burn the propagandists for their incompetence. But you are Emperor and must set an example for your people to follow. Though it isn't publicized, the propagandists are quietly relieved of their duties and disbarred from any further involvement with the higher rungs of the imperial bureaucracy. You have a new batch of scholars and pundits hired and give them a small budget. Creating a proper ministry would require an investment of time. Time that you don't have at the moment. You're getting older by the hour. Soon, you'll have to shape your legacy.

You give the go-ahead for an invasion of Subregion Perdita. This is a trivial engagement, not worth concerning yourself with.

>Roll 1d6+3 for reconquest. +1 [Loyalist Support], +2 [Overwhelming Force]
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Rolled 5 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5912004
Inb4 1
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Rolled 3 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5912004
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>>5912008
Finally this shit show is done

Now we get to execute all the rebels!
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>>5912011

Damn, too late.

>>5912008

Good job !
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>>5912008
For once, something finally goes well! With millions of boots on the ground, Subregion Perdita is reconquered in an efficient and brutal fashion. The final rebel stronghold, far from the fortresses of El-Yaniv and the tunnels of De Croize, turns out to be a cave filled with bitter anti-Corp lordlings and Vonduul sympathizers who would rather die than submit. It is a pitiful sight but with their hostages, a direct assault is necessary. The last charge against the Lloydian filth enters the annals of history, and Yannick, proudest son of Junger, is at its head.

After four and a half years of fighting, the civil war is over!

The uprising of the Tripartite Entente has been crushed!

Order has been restored throughout the Empire!

This is a day of rejoicing!

Now, justice must be rendered! As Emperor upon the throne on Mars, you must punish the rebellious houses! The entire Empire watches with baited breath. The traitorous nobles have been gathered and the loyal nobles as well, to witness your final verdict. Before you can begin partitioning the plunder, you must hold court and sort the wheat from the chaff, in a manner of speaking.
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>>5912045
First among the condemned is House Rothsford. Their crimes include rallying the Tripartite, declaring Zachariah III as a false Emperor, and refusing to surrender until the masses below gave them no choice.

What is your decree?

>Rothsford shall be shown leniency. The leading traitors will be executed in private and a steep tax levied upon their house to recoup the damages done. They may retain their holdings and titles. Such an approach could be misconstrued for weakness by some, but Rothsford itself would be grateful.
>Rothsford shall be shown mercy. The leading traitors will be executed in public and a massive tax levied upon their house in compensation for the shame they've brought. They may retain their holdings, though their titles will be stripped. This would be considered lenient, though mindful of the respect their ancient status affords them.
>Rothsford shall be humbled. Every traitor, no matter their insignificance, will be executed in public and a ruinous tax levied upon their house, for the enrichment of the dynasty they defied. They will be stripped of their holdings and titles, reduced to a minor lineage, though they'll continue to exist as a house. For better or worse, the traditional approach to such affairs.
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
>Rothsford shall be torn out by the roots! Every man, woman, and child with the name will be executed in public, along with those servants who continued to serve them, and their house shall be ruthlessly plundered, then all that remains laid to waste! No matter their status, great or small, every Rothsford must die! An extreme approach that shall fill all who dare contemplate treason with fear, though it's likely to alienate their cousins in the other houses.
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>>5912051

>Rothsford shall be humbled. Every traitor, no matter their insignificance, will be executed in public and a ruinous tax levied upon their house, for the enrichment of the dynasty they defied. They will be stripped of their holdings and titles, reduced to a minor lineage, though they'll continue to exist as a house. For better or worse, the traditional approach to such affairs.

Traditional approach is best here. De Croize we can be lenient
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased
All those who were captured will be executed but those who surrender shall be made destitute instead. The same should go for all traitor houses, only the loyalists shall shown greater leniency.
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be humbled. Every traitor, no matter their insignificance, will be executed in public and a ruinous tax levied upon their house, for the enrichment of the dynasty they defied. They will be stripped of their holdings and titles, reduced to a minor lineage, though they'll continue to exist as a house. For better or worse, the traditional approach to such affairs.
Seems like a good in-between the four extreme options.
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>>5912051
>>Rothsford shall be torn out by the roots! Every man, woman, and child with the name will be executed in public, along with those servants who continued to serve them, and their house shall be ruthlessly plundered, then all that remains laid to waste! No matter their status, great or small, every Rothsford must die! An extreme approach that shall fill all who dare contemplate treason with fear, though it's likely to alienate their cousins in the other houses.
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
They have the greatest crimes upon the Tripartite and so shall receive the harshest punishment

Either way QM, what are the thoughts of our allies and family on the punishments the rebels should receive?
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
And who are you
the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
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>>5912063
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
Simply rebelling can get you to humbled level. Leasing an actual rebellion, declaring yourself emperor and dragging others along gets you some harsher shit.
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>>5912065
House Soluton feels a traditional approach is best, but they are vengeful toward De Croize. House Nightshayd encourages leniency to get the traitors to let their guards down. The opinions of the Martial Houses vary, ranging from a traditional preference to loudly advocating extermination.

Your mother, Anna, thinks they should all be castrated and sent to Cradus XVII to serve as an example. Your wife, Clara, leans toward her house's opinion. Your son Otto, leans toward mercy, as he believes most of the rank-and-file had no chance to resist the rebellion before it was crushed. Your trusted advisor Igor refrains from giving you an opinion but encourages you to follow your heart in this, just like your father Alphonse would have.
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>>5912077
An addendum, her former house's. House Heinrich itself runs the gamut but almost none want leniency.
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>>5912077
Based mom
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>>5912077
> Your son Otto, leans toward mercy, as he believes most of the rank-and-file had no chance to resist the rebellion before it was crushed.
The rank and file can get their leniency. The higher up we go, the harsher the punishment should be.
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
I'm sure we can find a place on Cradus 17 for them for mumsy.
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>>5912077
Good to know, thankfully most of that is pretty in line with what anons want so we should be good.

Also good to know Igor is still alive
>>5912080
Mom is getting old, I suggest an Empire-wide funeral for when it eventually happens
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>>5911830
Stannis tier
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>>5911884
>Reform the propagandists. Perhaps the problem is institutional and could be solved with more funding.
Really don't want Alby going full bad guy here.
>Give the loyalists orbital drops of weapons and supplies. This should speed things along without getting involved.
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be shown mercy. The leading traitors will be executed in public and a massive tax levied upon their house in compensation for the shame they've brought. They may retain their holdings, though their titles will be stripped. This would be considered lenient, though mindful of the respect their ancient status affords them.
>>5912081
+1
Basically anyone who was in a position to actively choose rebellion should be punished. anyone just following orders gets leniency and anyone outright conscripted gets a pass.
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>>5912100
>They may retain their holdings, though their titles will be stripped.
But this is too lenient to the leadership anon. They shouldn't have any planets as a consequence of this stunt.
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>>5912051
>>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.

No House which dares put up a false Emperor should exist in aristocratic circles
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>>5912051
>Rothsford shall be dismantled. Every traitor, close relative of a traitor, and member who refuses to renounce the name will be executed in public and their house shall be plundered without remorse. They will be erased as a lineage, reduced to mere commoners of a shameful past. A strict approach, which will see all traces of their aristocratic influence erased.
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>>5912053
>>5912059
>>5912060
>>5912063
>>5912065
>>5912067
>>5912074
>>5912075
>>5912083
>>5912100
>>5912110
>>5912143
>>5912152
You decree that House Rothsford shall be dismantled and any trace of noble status erased so utterly there can be no recovery. Every high-ranking man of their lineage who didn't reject the Tripartite is to be executed, alongside their next of kin. As the few that did were killed themselves, this amounts to a methodical eradication of their upper echelons. The low-ranking men of their lineage who participated are to be run over with a fine comb. Those who, at any point, had the chance to surrender to imperial forces but refused are to be executed, as are those who even once knelt before, pledged to serve, or in any other way endorsed the false Emperor.

The few who fall under none of these categories are given the choice to renounce the Rothsford name and live as commoners, or to die as the traitors they are. In lieu of execution, any traitor may elect to serve a lifelong sentence on Cradus XVII, as you and your mother are in agreement that the fresh, chill air may do their black hearts some good.

All assets held by House Rothsford, planet or otherwise, shall be seized immediately, to be taken advantage of as the throne sees fit.

Your verdict has been declared. In the days to come, House Rothsford will be no more.

The old admiral Jonah weeps for his fallen house and curses your name so viciously the words exchanged cannot be committed to the historical record.

He is summarily executed for treason.

The proceedings continue.
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>>5912156
Second among the condemned is House De Croize. Their crimes include backing the Tripartite, seizure and bombardment of House Soluton territories, and reckless misuse of ancient technology. House De Croize is in a rather peculiar situation, as they are controlled by loyalists and an overwhelming majority of high-ranking traitors were killed during the nano-plague.

The feeling is closer to discussing reparations than deciding on a punishment. Nonetheless, you must analyze the situation carefully and make a fair judgement.

Most notable are the admirals who surrendered, Lionel and Alexander De Croize. If spared by the throne, their fate will be in the hands of House De Croize to decide.

What should be done?

>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>Spare one and execute the other. You deem that one's crimes have gone farther and warrant death, where the other might yet be spared.
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.

You must consider House De Croize itself. They may be loyal, but their lineage rebelled and arguably did the most damage of any of the Tripartite.

What is your decree?

>De Croize shall be shown leniency. The traitors which remain will be theirs to punish as they see fit and a steep tax shall be levied on them to recoup House Soluton for the damages done. Given that their status as a house is in question, you can be confident their traitors will suffer a grisly end. This is in accord with your public statements and De Croize will be grateful, though Soluton will be frustrated.
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.

Any worse would contradict your statements and risk public discontent, but you are the true Emperor and your word is law. Ultimately, you can do as you please.
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>>5912158
>>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
Though instead of the tax going to the throne alone, it should instead mostly go to House Soluton to allow them to rebuild their ravaged planet. Maybe like a 70/30 split. I don't care about the fate of their two admirals.
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>>5912158
>Spare one and execute the other. You deem that one's crimes have gone farther and warrant death, where the other might yet be spared.
Lionel didn't surrender, he got captured. He dies but Alexander lives.

>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
Though I think we should start getting them into our inner circle to smooth it over. Tell them we wanted to be more lenient but had filial obligations to fulfill, so instead they'll get to be close to the throne.
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>>5912158
>>Spare one and execute the other. You deem that one's crimes have gone farther and warrant death, where the other might yet be spared.
>>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
Have the tax mostly go to House Soulton.
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>>5912158

>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise

These men serve better as reminders of the failed rebellion than as martyrs. Make sure we parade them around state events to make a point.

>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
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>>5912164
+1 surrender and you get a less harsh punishment simple as.
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>>5912158
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
They surrendered and the only thing they did was bombardments but only on military installations so I am fine with letting them live, considering that Lionel is the biggest traitor in existence and Alexander is dealing with cancers abusive uncle I think we don't need to do much here.
Also leak Lionels tantrum
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
They will however pay an ADDITIONAL tax to house Soluton to pay off the damages they caused
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>>5912158
>>5912163
>>5912164
>>5912170
>>5912171
Hang on I just thought of something. How about we reduce the amount of the tax to the leniency but do the the humbled amount of planet take over? I'd rather we get more planets than any money.
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>>5912175
I assumed the planet thing is going to be a separate post as this is mostly dealing with the people.
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>>5912175
I don't think any amount of reduction to the tax they will have to pay us will make up for losing a entire planet anon.
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>>5912175
That way it balances out to mercy

>>5912177
The specifics probably will but these prompts seem to decide the amount of planets to give away.
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>>5912180
We'll ask the QM then. How would De Croize feel about this deal QM? I say deal but they don't have much choice in the matter.
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>>5912174
>They surrendered
Lionel didn't, remember? The tantrum should be shown at his execution though.
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>>5912187
they have 0 choice in the matter actually since we won. Regardless something to note is the money the Tripartite used.
Rothsford vaults should be untouched as they did not hire any mercenaries before the war started, in fact they lost one and their capital was taken in the beginning of the war so they should have a lot to give out.
De Croize bought one elite mercenary but other than that their finances should be decently secure albeit a little poor because of that merc purchase and palace destruction.
Ustong on the other hand had their frontier planets reaved by our glorious Martyrs but also hired Dawson and had to keep upping up the contract for Axton so they should be the poorest by now.
>>5912191
Obviously I know he was captured and does not have the same leeway as Alexander does but still, I don't want to execute him because he is funny to keep around. Also he indirectly caused the Tripartite to lose 7 fleets
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>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912175
>>5912187
De Croize would rather keep its planets than almost any amount of money. Even a single habitable world is incredibly valuable. The loss of any would be devastating to their line, as they're not only losing the territory itself but all of the future profit and population that could've been gained from it. The opposite is also true, and anyone else would be ecstatic to receive a planet.
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>>5912156
>Every high-ranking man of their lineage who didn't reject the Tripartite is to be executed, alongside their next of kin.
Jesus fucking Christ
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>>5912177
That's correct, there'll be a separate post for distributing the planets, depending on the final verdict for them.
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>>5912205
Hmmm, I still say do it. I want House Heinrich to be by far the biggest in planet count.

>>5912202
>I don't want to execute him because he is funny to keep around.
Now THAT is a much better reason. I think the novelty of it will we wear off after a while but maybe we could keep him around the palace as like a clown or something.
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>>5912158
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
But let the traitors go to prison instead of death
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and for anons wondering what the current planets the rebels own is:
>House Rothsford: 11 worlds, 3 core, 8 frontier
>House De Croize: 10 worlds, 4 core, 6 frontier
>House Ustong: 12 worlds, 2 core, 10 frontier
and I got no idea how many the rebellious minors had all together
>>5912207
GG no re
>>5912211
Understood, so since Rothsford was dismantled it means that all their planets are for grabs while De Croize, being shown leniency will have some planets taken.
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>>5912219
If De Croize is shown leniency or mercy, by default, they'll keep their planets but effectively be bankrupted for the next few decades/generations, depending. There's nothing preventing you from taking any of their planets as penance, but it will anger the loyalists in De Croize.
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>>5912219
I forgot to mention this but 5 frontier worlds belonging to minor nobles joined the rebellion.
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>>5912175
>we'll be nice and let you pay slightly less tax but take your planets as recompense instead smile :)
One of the dumber ideas ever floated in this thread to be fair. We'd immediately make them hostile again if we did that.
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>>5912229
It is not dumb to do what we incited this rebellion for anon. I'd rather have ungrateful De Croize then not get any planets.
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>>5912175

Anon your motivations are pure but our goal should be “prevent civil war 3”, not “capture all planets!”

We should redistribute the confiscated Rothsford and Ustong worlds to ourselves and our allies, but ALSO provide worlds to the neutral factions for appeasement purposes. And Soluton gets a double share of loot for being the Imperial grenadehugger
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>>5912242
No, our goal should be neither of those. It should be "Centralize Power!" which involves taking most of the planets of our defeated enemies and distributing them to ourselves and our allies. We did this so we don't have neutral parties to appease anymore, we get House Arthen on our side as planned and there are no more unruly vassals to manage. Everyone will be on our side or too irrelevant to be a threat.
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>>5912158
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912244
Rest assured anon if we don't partition the De Croizes enough now, we can use Nightshayd to cull them
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>>5912242
>>5912244
Though with the way this vote is going we're gonna have to add De Croize to the list of houses to wrangle. Whoopee.

>>5912253
I wish it was that easy. Nightshayd can't help us much when it comes to taking vassal planets.
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>>5912158
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
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>>5912158
>Spare both. Have them go break rocks.
>dismantle them.

>We dismantle all of them and fold them into house Philips and the martial families. And to us, solution, and our aunts family.
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>>5912158
>>5912164
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
I'll change my vote on the off chance we turn this around.
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>>5912276
God the more I think about it the better it is. We please Soluton and rid ourselves of another major house.

>>5912163
>>5912170
>>5912170
>>5912171
>>5912173
>>5912174
>>5912213
>>5912257
Can y'all change your votes? Pretty please?
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>>5912303
Fine anon since you asked nicely.
Changing ny vote to
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912158
changing from>>5912257
to
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912158
switching from >>5912174
to
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
>>5912303
because you asked anon
Although it may be bad optics because of them turning loyalists
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>>5912334
>>5912328
>>5912311
It is an incredibly terrible option compared to mercy. We spent all that effort detaching the remaining De Croize from the traitors, justifying their loyalty to the Empire as a reason to grant them leniency only for them to be treated just like the other traitor houses after the dust settles. This choice is an Albin incarnate choice except we're willingly making it instead of rolling a 1 for it. None of you should've changed your votes.
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>>5912340
damn, you have convinced me anon,
>>5912158
ignore >>5912334 and keep my original vote
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>>5912158
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.

>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
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>>5912340
I mean it really comes down to your own personal opinion on if a loyal but powerful major house is better than a bitter minor house. I personally don't care much either way cause they both benefit us in some form so I'm not changing my vote again
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>>5912358
It's not 'just' about the size of House De Croize after the peace is negotiated, it is about precedent. We've lauded these men as heroes, what precedent will it set for every other house, minor or major, if we do not carry that over to the negotiating table? We'll applaud you in public but stab you in the back in private when it's convenient for us. House Heinrich built it's foundation as Royal Family on just actions and straightforward diplomacy. This is neither, and I would rather our reputation as fair rulers remain intact over having a planet or two extra.
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This is looking like a very contentious vote and I've had a long day at work, so I'm going to ahead and leave it to go on overnight. I'm glad you guys are enjoying the quest! I'm eager to see where things go after this civil war arc, and during the end of Albin's reign and the start of Otto's.
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>>5912158
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
I expect Lionel will be quietly hanged by his house and Alexander will die soon enough anyway. As for the punishment, they don’t deserve full leniency as they were the only ones who drew real blood in this conflict, but the effort we went through to make what remains of them friendly and the loyalist efforts to resist the traitors bears some weight. Give them the mercy option so that we may give Ustong the humbled option, neatly sorting each house into their own bracket based on the weight of their sins and virtues towards the Empire.
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>>5912378
You might want to archive the thread considering we are at 2000+ replies and on page 6
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>>5912380
That's a good idea. I think I will once everything's been resolved for the aftermath of the civil war. Thread's starting to open slowly but I figure it's best not to carry too far over into thread #3.
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>>5912158
>Spare both
Lionel into a mental asylum, Alexander into a (commoner's) elderly care unit

>De Croize shall be shown mercy
Punish the traitors so that Soluton is pleased, but not too harsh that we seem to renege on the De Croize loyalists. Best course of action, I feel.
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>>5912380
>page 6
In my opinion, entering page 8 is archive time, although the 2000+ posts might allow it an early archive.
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>>5912158
>>Spare one and execute the other. You deem that one's crimes have gone farther and warrant death, where the other might yet be spared.
Execute Lionel, spare Alexander. One surrendered while the other didn't.

>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
While Leniency is more in line with our public statements, their house took part in the revolt and bombed House Soluton's worlds. They'll need to properly pay for that, it's neccessary. Otherwise we might look too weak.
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>>5912410
Also wtf IP address
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>>5912158
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
I would have preferred leniency, but I really don't want humbled to win. Loyalty gets rewarded, always. The moment we forget that is the moment we become Vonduul 2.0
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>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
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>>5912158
>>5912170
Changing to
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.

>>5912303
Alright I'll do it too.
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>>5912158
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912303
>>5912328
>>5912426
Why?

>>5912358
Making everyone know that we are schizophrenic, power hungry and ungrateful to loyalists is not a personal opinion
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>>5912158
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
>>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
4chan ate my vote
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>>5912158
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.

>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
The wages of treason
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>>5912158
>Spare both of them. Lionel is mentally unfit to decide his own breakfast, let alone rebel in full conscience, and Alexander is already doomed to die in more agony than the Empire's finest surgeons could devise.
We need to show a good example
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
The best option
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>>5912158
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912340
And their loyalty has been rewarded anon. Look at how they have fared in comparison to Rothsford and hopefully Ustong. Dismantle both of them and De Croize has been spared in comparison.

>>5912344
Please anon, QM himself says in the post that humbling them still fulfills our previous commitments and, again, both pleases our powerful long time ally Soluton and gets us the planets.

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>>5912619
I beseech you all to reconsider. Humbling still falls in line with our words and fulfills the purpose of the Civil War.
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>>5912158
>Spare one and execute the other. You deem that one's crimes have gone farther and warrant death, where the other might yet be spared.
>De Croize shall be shown mercy. The traitors which remain will be executed and a massive tax shall be levied on them for damages done, for the benefit of the Empire. As the alternative is death or worse, they should be relieved to only suffer this much. Such a punishment should be quite uncontroversial among the nobility.
I like the middle ground, simple as
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>>5912655
I’m fairly set at this point. I’m of the belief that Ustong should be punished more harshly than De Croize, and Rothsford should be punished the most. Picking the humble option lumps Ustong in with one of the others since there is no option between them at that point.

Besides, it seems we’ll be more liked by De Croize than we are by Lochstrum at this point. We need a replacement ally for the political game. You’d have better luck talking me into showing leniency to ensure that, though I’m generally unwilling to upset the Solutons given our closeness.
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>>5912655
>And their loyalty has been rewarded
Are you out of your mind? How is this a reward? People will have grievances and want to rebel in the future, that's a guarantee. Think of the kind of message we send if we're as harsh as possible to everyone with no regard for the severity of their treason. "If your House rebels against us, don't surrender, don't turn against your fellow traitors and try to help the throne. There will be no mercy given. You're fucked anyway and your only hope is to fight as hard as you can and win."

Is this really the message you want to send? Do you really want all our efforts to praise the loyalists of De Croize go to waste and have them be turn bitter, resentful and regret ever siding with us? Do you really want to encourage everyone who fights us to fight to their death no matter what?

Rothsford got the harshest punishment we could met. If De Croize gets off lightly and Ustong is humbled, then the next time some house leader talks treason, his own heir will gift-wrap him for us and beg forgiveness so they can be treated like De Croize instead of the others. Carrot and stick anon. It doesn't work if their only option is the stick.
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>>5912736

Agree with this anon, we want to incentivize Houses to turn in their own traitors and save us the trouble.
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>>5912736
It is a reward that they are still a noble house with holdings, even if a minor one. Rothsford and Ustong should be dismantled so De Croize has been rewarded by comparison.

The message we'll be sending is that rebellion will harshly punished and if they want to survive then it's best to surrender rather than fight on and be anhilated.

The message you are sending is all carrot and no stick. That even if your house rebels, you will still remain a major house if you let the top guys hang. What sort of punishment is that?
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>>5912736
Well the thing is we aren't being harsh as possible as QM himself points out while anything worse than those three options would be a contradiction toward the efforts we put so far they are NOT the harshest punishment we could give to the De Croize if all the anons wrote in "Lets completely murder the entire De Croize house" then that's what would happen. Ultimately whether or not the De Croize or others accept a humbled approach in the long term is frankly all a matter of PR and fostering a public perception that if it wasn't for the loyalists we would of done MUCH worse. (Which granted Albin is godawful at spinning things so a merciful approach is probably best just for that reason)
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>>5912765
>all carrot and no stick
Then what are Rothsford and Ustong?
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>>5912736
>>5912765
We should want rebellion to be as risky a prospect as possible and yet all you need is a few hangings and some money and it's all good? Why should they feel any fear then? The message should be stand with us and be rewarded or stand against us and be destroyed yet you want to let them off so easy just for switching sides? Their reward is their survival and not getting off scot free.
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>>5912774
>fear
The Vonduul relied on fear to rule. How did that work out for them?
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>>5912775
Now you're just makong excuses anon, all governments rule by fear in some way or another. The problem with Vonduul is that they used fear as nothing but a means to continue their hedonism, not that they used fear at all.
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>>5912765
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>>5912782
I just want De Croize to survive because they're the tech house and we need more tech
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>>5912782
You may find it hard to believe, but some governments are loved by the people. Why should we rely on fear instead of trying to foster love?

>>5912787
That too
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>>5912787
I actually agree with you, I want De Croize to be a minor house concentrated on one or a few planets. Make them tech worlds and everything. I just don't want them to be a major house while doing it.

>>5912790
They are loved AND feared anon, violence is the ultimate authority from which all other authorities derive and all governments use that to establish their own authorities otherwise they wouldn't be governments in the first place.
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>>5912790
>>5912795
If they didn't rely on any fear from their subjects why would they have police forces?
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>>5912158
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912051

Humbled
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Mercy
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I can't convince all of you Mercy Anons but would any of you real pretty please with sugar on top change your votes? Like... Hac0rP1Q? Trust me on this one my friends and we'll all be better off for it.
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You know at this point I am wondering if we have the political and military power to say fuck it and nationalize the military. But all warships (or as many as we think is reasonable) under direct Imperial control and abolish independent noble house fleets.
That was always my end goal but we may be powerful enough to skip to the chase.
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>>5912795
>violence is the ultimate authority from which all other authorities derive and all governments use that to establish their own authorities otherwise they wouldn't be governments in the first place
In modern current day Earth for the most part yes, but that is not the only model for government possible or even historically.
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>>5912158
>Execution for both of them. They took to the void with the full intent of doing harm to the Empire. The only fitting reward for their treason is death.
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
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>>5912830
Like anon said. Us knocking them to a minor house is the gift. We purged everyone else's families completely and even their servants.

There won't be enough de croize to administrate a major house.

As a minor house. We can force them to be a very loyal vassal. If they continue to be loyal we can promise to help them become a major family until then. We could also say we'll give them the planets back in 50 year's. After they prove their undying loyalty to house Heinrich.

Give them clear if you do xyz we'll give you major family status again.
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>>5912881
Possible things to ask them for:

>gene editing super soldiers
>Improved shields
>Inertial dampeners
>New laser or plasma or rail gun technology
>Nanites
>High tech fabrication methods.
>Droids
>AI combat swarms
>Regeneration baths
>cbcds for the empire's credit system. Can't do corruption on a transparent ledger.
>Insanely fast mass industrialization. Basically give them a new planet have them have a plan for rapidly bringing it to imperial fabrication standards.

They gotta give us idk 2-4 of these of the 50 years and they get their major house status. Marry their family both into Heinrich and our aunts family and house solution. So basically their family becomes part of our bloodline I'm a generation or so.
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>>5912855
>In modern current day Earth for the most part yes, but that is not the only model for government possible or even historically.
Nonsense my friend, what I said is a prerequisite to the creation of a state and so long as humans remain humans it will continue to be that way.
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>>5912158
>Spare one and execute the other. You deem that one's crimes have gone farther and warrant death, where the other might yet be spared.
Alexander > Lionel
>De Croize shall be humbled. The traitors which remain shall be executed, a ruinous tax shall be levied on them for the damages done, and they shall be stripped of the lion's share of their holdings. Though De Croize will be bitter, they'll be reduced to a minor house, and Soluton will be delighted.
Soluton > De Croize
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I'm going to go ahead and lock the vote here so that I can update. Very interesting discussion so far.

>>5912830
Thank you again for the list, this was extremely helpful.
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>>5912892
>ask them for Nanites
My brother in the cosmic ecosystem did you see what happened to De Croize capital continent?!

>regeneration baths
Also did you comprehend what happened to Alexander De Croize, the old sickly man?!
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>>5912966
Dammit! 2 short of a tie and 3 of a win. I hope Ustong won't be so lucky

>Thank you again for the list, this was extremely helpful.
You're welcome QM.
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>>5912951
This is a far more difficult decision than dismantling House Rothsford. By all means House De Croize has done more tangible damage to the Empire than any other member of the Tripartite Entente. At the same time, an overwhelming majority of the traitors in their lineage are already dead and loyalists have taken control. In effect, anything you did here wouldn’t be punishing the traitors of De Croize, it would be punishing the loyalists of De Croize because they were related to them.

That is a reasonably valid course to take. After all, one of your father Alphonse’s first deeds as Emperor was to have everyone still associated with House Vonduul executed. Most of them were disloyal but a few, backs against the wall, claimed fealty. These were seen as lies as they refused to participate in the rebellion and they were executed for them, and knowing the duplicity of Vonduul that was certain, but what if they weren’t? What if there legitimately were a handful of loyalists embedded in that festering tumour of a house?

You suppose they would’ve been tainted by association to Vonduul. De Croize, on the other hand, has been quite inoffensive to the Empire and one of your daughters even married into them. As far as you know, Lydia is still on one of their core worlds, hunched over a workshop table. Has she even given you any grandchildren? You’ve seen so little of her there’s no way to be sure, but you NEVER would’ve allowed a marriage to go on with Vonduul. You suppose, then, that De Croize is superior to Vonduul in terms of their respectability as a lineage.
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>>5913075
This is compounded by the fact that Vonduul would’ve had a handful of loyalists, at most, but De Croize has, at the very least, half of their house proclaiming loyalty, enough to sabotage their own fleets and bombard their own palace. It is the loyalists you are dealing with here. For their association with the traitors of De Croize, they must be punished, but in light of their contributions, their punishment shall be one which they can recover from in time, their noble prestige unmarred.

Regarding the admirals… That is quite simple. Lionel was captured, where Alexander surrendered. Thus, Lionel will be executed and Alexander spared. That is only reasonable, and sets a reasonable precedent for the future of the Empire.

You decree that House De Croize is to be shown mercy, such that their holdings will be kept and loyalists allowed to retain their status, but a massive tax shall be levied, the greater sum of which shall go to recompense House Soluton for the damages done. Of course, any confirmed traitors who weren’t lying in wait as spies or saboteurs and didn’t surrender at the first opportunity are to be executed.

Lionel is to be executed, while Alexander is to be spared. For a moment after your decree, there is a profound look of despair in the latter’s eyes. You order recordings of Lionel’s rant to be played. The court is speechless, save for Alexander, whose rotting voice rattles with broken laughter. Lionel himself fails to keep his composure, and cries.

After the recording is over, he is summarily executed for treason.

The proceedings continue.
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>>5913077
Third among the condemned is House Ustong. Their crimes include backing the Tripartite, interfering with the operations of the Emperor’s Resources Committee, and fighting a last stand in Licciri rather than surrender.

You note three items of import. The first is that of the Tripartite, Ustong did the least damage and most of what was done on their behalf was by Ol’ Hornswoggle, who deceived them. The second is that your sister, Angelica, asks you to preserve their bloodline because she told their heir that she would to get his surrender, regardless of her personal feelings. The third is, of course, your daughter Aurelia, who is married to Adam Ustong.

This is the most awkward of the three, as unlike her sister, Lydia, you know for a fact that she’s had seven children, two sons and five daughters, all of Ustong, and has been in a happy marriage. Notably, she identifies closer to House Ustong than House Heinrich, which is understandable, as she may be of your blood but is no longer a part of House Heinrich. Be that as it may be, she was one of the most outspoken opposition to rebellion. Her husband, Adam, did participate in the conflict… as a soldier who never fired a shot aboard Sergio’s flagship, ‘Blood for the Soil’. Supposedly, the ERC’s reaving was the reason for this and he laid down his weapons when given the choice, but it is a thoroughly mixed situation.
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>>5913080
You suppose you’ll take this one step at a time. To your surprise, the patriarch of House Ustong, none other than Antonio Ustong, did not opt to commit suicide and cooperated with imperial forces to undergo trial. His crimes are many- attempting to pressure Zephyr Corp, allowing Ustong to continue its polluting industrial practices until pushed, and joining the Tripartite.

The man, fat and sobbing, is knelt before you in sparse robes. “Looks like I should’ve paid my taxes, after all. Ohhh, my life is in your hands, Emperor. Do what you will, I’ve earned it.”

How should he be punished?

>House Arrest: He shall be confined in his home under a constant guard. This is the most lenient choice possible, however, given their weak showing in the rebellion, this would be signaling that he lies beneath you, that his wretched fate is not even worth the consideration of the throne.
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.
>Life Sentencing: He shall be castrated and sent to Cradus XVII to break rock, alongside the remaining Brand Loyalists and the handful of nobles who chose shameful life over dignified death. This is a deep humiliation on House Ustong and ironic, considering their proclivities.
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>>5913081
The next is his firstborn son and heir, Sergio. Their lead admiral, who surrendered to your sister but was directly responsible for the destruction of the ERC’s navy.

What should be done?

>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.

Next comes the judgement of House Ustong itself. For their treason, a punishment is necessary. If you choose to preserve them, you’ll determine the issue of their succession later. A rather complex boondoggle.

What is your decree?

>Ustong shall be shown leniency. Feeling a sudden sense of… it’s quite difficult to place, you opt to leave Ustong untouched, save for a steep tax. This will stun and confuse most of the nobility, which is good! They’ve confused you for so long, now they can wonder what motivated you to make such an irrational decision!
>Ustong shall be shown mercy. The resistance posed by their line has been frankly, pathetic, and much of their frontier already lies in ruin. They’ll keep their petty colonies, and every measly speck of sustainably gathered resources will be sent to the throne, until such time as they’ve earned their nobility once more.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
>Ustong shall be erased. Their house chose to join House Rothsford in rebellion and had precious few loyalists. They will be eradicated in the same fashion, but your daughter and her children who didn’t fight will be readopted into the ruling dynasty, if disinherited.
>Ustong shall be torn out by the roots! Everyone who shares the name shall be publicly executed, no matter their status! (Except for your daughter, and her offspring, you suppose.) Their crimes against the pristine ecosystems of the cosmos are too many to count! They must suffer for what they’ve done! Death! DEATH!
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>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.

>>5913083
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
A promise made is a promise kept.
>Ustong shall be erased. Their house chose to join House Rothsford in rebellion and had precious few loyalists. They will be eradicated in the same fashion, but your daughter and her children who didn’t fight will be readopted into the ruling dynasty, if disinherited.
They can keep their Ustong name but their power? It will be brought into the fold.
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>>5913081
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.

>>5913083
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be erased. Their house chose to join House Rothsford in rebellion and had precious few loyalists. They will be eradicated in the same fashion, but your daughter and her children who didn’t fight will be readopted into the ruling dynasty, if disinherited.
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>>5913081

Antonio

>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.

Kill and move on, he made his choice.

Sergio

>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.

Lifetime imprisonment in a white-collar prison - with visitation rights for family members.

Ustong

>Ustong shall be shown mercy. The resistance posed by their line has been frankly, pathetic, and much of their frontier already lies in ruin. They’ll keep their petty colonies, and every measly speck of sustainably gathered resources will be sent to the throne, until such time as they’ve earned their nobility once more.
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>>5913081
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.
NO MERCY

>>5913083
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be torn out by the roots! Everyone who shares the name shall be publicly executed, no matter their status! (Except for your daughter, and her offspring, you suppose.) Their crimes against the pristine ecosystems of the cosmos are too many to count! They must suffer for what they’ve done! Death! DEATH!
DEATH
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>>5913088
+1 maybe if they didn't pull that last stand shite i'd be fine with them just being humbled but as it is I see no reason for their continued existence.
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>>5913081
>Life Sentencing: He shall be castrated and sent to Cradus XVII to break rock, alongside the remaining Brand Loyalists and the handful of nobles who chose shameful life over dignified death. This is a deep humiliation on House Ustong and ironic, considering their proclivities.
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be torn out by the roots! Everyone who shares the name shall be publicly executed, no matter their status! (Except for your daughter, and her offspring, you suppose.) Their crimes against the pristine ecosystems of the cosmos are too many to count! They must suffer for what they’ve done! Death! DEATH!
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>>5913081
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.

>>5913083
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.

>Ustong shall be torn out by the roots! Everyone who shares the name shall be publicly executed, no matter their status! (Except for your daughter, and her offspring, you suppose.) Their crimes against the pristine ecosystems of the cosmos are too many to count! They must suffer for what they’ve done! Death! DEATH!
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>>5913077
Lionel didn’t deserve it
>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
We are not V*nduuls and shall give swift executions
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
Make our daughter the head now. Also why are anons giving Ustong a harsher sentence than Rothsford? This is the middle ground between De Croize and Rothsford
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>>5913083
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.

>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be erased. Their house chose to join House Rothsford in rebellion and had precious few loyalists. They will be eradicated in the same fashion, but your daughter and her children who didn’t fight will be readopted into the ruling dynasty, if disinherited.
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>>5913129
The support for torture and the harsher sentence is weird but choosing the middle ground isn't inherently good either.
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>>5913081
>House Arrest
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
We have cowed Ustong, this is a time for justice, not cruelty and torture.

>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
Mercy for people, not for land.
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>>5913173
It entirely is though? Rothsford was erased because of them being the main instigator and electing a false Emperor while De Croize was shown mercy because of the loyalists, we have to make fair judgement here
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>>5913081
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.

>>5913083
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be erased. Their house chose to join House Rothsford in rebellion and had precious few loyalists. They will be eradicated in the same fashion, but your daughter and her children who didn’t fight will be readopted into the ruling dynasty, if disinherited.
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>>5913178
Yeah but Alby has a special hatred for them because he's a tree hugging hippie.
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>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
Taking the option that would compare us to Vonduul would make Alphonse rise from the grave and annihilate Albin. Uneccessary cruelty has no place in our dynasty.

>>5913083
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
Continue to practice what we preach, to ensure our word is worth it's weight in gold.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
They might not have done much, but they fought until the end instead of surrendering or overthrowing their traitors. This is the just choice considering their actions. After they've been humbled they will be the masters of their fates again, what they do after that is up to them.
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>>5913081
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.

>>5913083
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.

>Ustong shall be erased. Their house chose to join House Rothsford in rebellion and had precious few loyalists. They will be eradicated in the same fashion, but your daughter and her children who didn’t fight will be readopted into the ruling dynasty, if disinherited.
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>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
>>5913178
Exactly. They did not proclaim a false Emperor and surrendered their main fleet. If we are as harsh with them as we were with Rosthsford then no rebel will ever surrender again.
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>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
Keep our word, punish them appropriately, move on. If they liked building themselves up so much, they can have the joy of doing it again.
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>>5913178
I didn't really care about the false emperor and De Croize shouldn't have been shown such mercy in the first place. You all are way too lenient on rebels, you say that will prevent rebellion I say that will make them less risky for the rebels.

>>5913213
>If we are as harsh with them as we were with Rosthsford then no rebel will ever surrender again.
If they value their lives they will. The policy should've always been that: "Surrender and live or don't and die".

>>5913091
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>>5913205
Why do you all want the torture and/or the tearing out by the roots anyway?
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>>5913231
I have been consistent in my votes in showing no mercy.
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>>5913237
That doesn't explain the why though. Also would be real schizo to punish Ustong more harshly than Rothsford.
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>>5913081

>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.

>>5913083

>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.

>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.

Seems fitting, everything considered.
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>>5913083
>Torturous Execution: He shall be mutilated, burnt, salted, peeled, electrified, twisted, exsanguinated, et. al., to the best of the imperial surgeon’s ability to keep him alive and suffering, until expiration. This is the traditional approach and would be in keeping with the precedent of the previous ruling dynasty.

Not publicly though - to the galaxy at large, he will just disappear and never return

>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.

>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.

Being knocked down to a minor house keeps our sister’s promise and is enough punishment. If they are loyal they can build themselves back up over the centuries
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>>5913081
>House Arrest: He shall be confined in his home under a constant guard. This is the most lenient choice possible, however, given their weak showing in the rebellion, this would be signaling that he lies beneath you, that his wretched fate is not even worth the consideration of the throne.

>>5913083
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be torn out by the roots! Everyone who shares the name shall be publicly executed, no matter their status! (Except for your daughter, and her offspring, you suppose.) Their crimes against the pristine ecosystems of the cosmos are too many to count! They must suffer for what they’ve done! Death! DEATH!
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>>5913254
Now that's some exquisite sadism. Leave the head alive with the knowledge that his actions lead to the death of every member of his family.
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>>5913277
His family name shall live, as he asked.
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>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.

In your next life learn to pay what is due.


>>5913083
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.


>Ustong shall be shown leniency. Feeling a sudden sense of… it’s quite difficult to place, you opt to leave Ustong untouched, save for a steep tax. This will stun and confuse most of the nobility, which is good! They’ve confused you for so long, now they can wonder what motivated you to make such an irrational decision!

But with the caveat that their Tax must be devoted fully to comply with strict ecological regulations.

no more will they terraform worlds just to pollute them but instead learn to respect the nature that give them life in honor of the martyrs of the ERC.
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>House Arrest: He shall be confined in his home under a constant guard. This is the most lenient choice possible, however, given their weak showing in the rebellion, this would be signaling that he lies beneath you, that his wretched fate is not even worth the consideration of the throne.
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
>Ustong shall be shown mercy. The resistance posed by their line has been frankly, pathetic, and much of their frontier already lies in ruin. They’ll keep their petty colonies, and every measly speck of sustainably gathered resources will be sent to the throne, until such time as they’ve earned their nobility once more.
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>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
>He shall be executed: For his crimes against the Empire and the traitorous blood he hails from, there can be no alternative.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
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>>5913081
For cooperation, I give Antonio Ustong one boon - the choice of his death. It is the last boon he will ever be given.
>Swift execution or life sentence. He may choose.

For the heir Sergio
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
He surrendered and technically did no harm to the Empire with his participation. I can accept that as reason enough to spare him.

For Ustong as a whole
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
They get the middle ground. Their relative lack of sin came not from a lack of intent, but the inability to wage war effectively thanks to the ERC and our own blitz so they do not get the De Croize treatment. The actions of the mercenary they hired still falls to them as well. However, their heir surrendered and that is not worthless to the Empire. They may exist as a house, but greatly reduced in stature.

Sergio’s condition for his surrender is irrelevant to me. Had they wanted to offer conditional surrender, they should have done it before looking over the barrels of several ship-mounted guns. Fortunately for Sergio and House Ustong, his surrender was enough to get what he sought regardless.
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>>5913081
>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
>>5913083
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
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>>5913081
>Life Sentencing: He shall be castrated and sent to Cradus XVII to break rock, alongside the remaining Brand Loyalists and the handful of nobles who chose shameful life over dignified death. This is a deep humiliation on House Ustong and ironic, considering their proclivities.
A fitting end
>>5913083
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
We are a man of our word
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.
Honestly, seems like a good way of punishing them without upsetting our daughter
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>Swift Execution: He shall be given a fast and relatively painless death, in recognition of his willingness to face trial. This is quite merciful, as he was one of the Tripartite Entente’s founding members and directly responsible for millions of deaths and hundreds of lost ships.
>He shall be spared: In recognition of his surrender, you shall allow the boy to live, even considering his prior hostilities.
>Ustong shall be humbled. Ancient status means nothing and the means by which it was gained mean nothing. Loyalty is the only thing that matters and they’ve proven they have none. They shall be stripped of their holdings until they are a minor house, and all they have now will be seized.

Our word is our bond. Punishment when given will not be so draconian, especially to those who surrendered.
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>>5913357
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>>5913088
Life Sentence / Swift Execution

>>5913248
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>>5913091
Torturous Execution

>>5913357
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>>5913088
Spare Him

>>5913318
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>>5913091
Execute Him

>>5913357
>>5913350
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>>5913129
Humbled

>>5913205
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>>5913088
Erased

Options not mentioned don't come close to beating those that are. I merged life sentence with swift execution at my own discretion as I feel they are sufficiently equivalent. Correct me if I missed anything.
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>>5913427
Looks like moderates win once again
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>>5913427
For votes like this where you have several options splitting the vote, I suggest approval voting.
That way, a vote that only 30 percent of the players want won't be able to win.

You let each voter vote for any number of options, and the one with the most total votes wins.
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>>5890899
I'm still catching up, but an idea I had was to help save time for our emperors early in reign. When we have an aging / getting ready to abdicate emperor and a ready heir, we have that heir get married / have honeymoon and then only after that give them the throne. It saves time from wife searching / family bonding so the ruling emperor is more productive. I guess not much of a policy thing but it would be nice to have a reminder or something for whenever the situation arises.
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>>5913468
I had voted somewhat along this thought earlier by suggesting we’d let Otto go on his trip if he found some potential wives by the half-way mark. With all the traveling around he was doing I figured he’d make some unusual friendships with important people, and if we’re in the palace still ruling then he’s likely to take his wife on campaigns with him. Good to have one that enjoys that sort of thing.
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>>5913426
You are filled with hate, purest HATE for House Ustong. For centuries, generation after generation they have despoiled and plundered the natural world to fuel their fat, fetid greed. If you had your way, Antonio and his son would be consigned to blackest torments, then the slightest hint of their lineage eradicated from the cosmos! Their rebellion against the Empire… such a deed is vile, but compared to aiding and abetting the pollution of dozens of worlds and then destroying the Emperor’s Resources Committee, founded for the very sake of Mankind’s enlightened future? It is tantamount to a petty crime!

You sit on the throne, frothing with righteous fury toward the bastard spawn of Ustong, but you restrain yourself. At a word, they could be excised, erased from the galaxy wholesale. Yet, you must remain impartial. You are the Emperor, the very embodiment of the legacy of old Earth and patriarch of the noble House Heinrich! Your will is not your own... You are a symbol for the masses to look up to, and you must set an example.

The filth of Ustong, the lowest of the low, most wretched of the wretched, hands so stained they cannot be cleansed… did surrender. Their patriarch did come to the throne, did kneel, and did cooperate with the proceedings. Their admiral, for all of his exploitationist will toward the wilds, did surrender to your sister. The holdings of Ustong did obey them in this, rather than persist. They are, for you, the most hated of all houses but they are, for all of their many, many faults, a noble house.

You must set an example. It is with a heavy heart indeed but staring down from on high, you proclaim your judgement.

You decree that House Ustong is to be humbled, stripped of its holdings and pillaged until the most meager of scraps remains. House Ustong has been bent before the throne and now, it shall be broken for its treason, but a house, Ustong shall remain.

Antonio is to be given a swift execution, in keeping with the weight of his wrongs against Mankind. House Heinrich is not Vonduul, and for this mercy, none can dare claim otherwise.

Sergio is… to be spared, even though you begrudge him even this. For his surrender, he’ll have the privilege of living to see his house devastated. This is more than he deserves by your reckoning, but it is a show of mercy. For you, it’s proof that your reign is benevolent, even to your own detriment.
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>>5913555
Next is a much less substantial concern, which should take less effort to determine. If House Ustong is to remain, you must determine their future succession. Antonio will live to see this, but not a moment longer.

Who should lead House Ustong?

>Adam Ustong: The husband of your beloved daughter. By all accounts a strong-willed, strong and courageous man, if somewhat slow on the uptake. He should prove uncontroversial and easy enough to control, if less than adept.
>Aurelia Ustong: Your own daughter, and mother of seven. An artistic and rebellious soul, though quite loyal to the Empire. Her loyalty is beyond question but appointing a woman may annoy some of the less forward-thinking nobility.
>Sergio Ustong: The nominal heir of their line, beneath contempt. To your understanding, he has no desire to succeed his father and has tried to abdicate the position four times now. The burden of rule would punish the boy while demonstrating to onlookers that House Heinrich is both merciful and committed to tradition.
>The Elders of Ustong: A smattering of withered geriatrics, who, come to think of it, are closer to your age than not. They’ll take over the day-to-day management and select a new heir from their bloodline once fifty years have passed. A rather moderate choice, this would interrupt little and show that the throne is unbiased, but then again, the succession of a minor house has little need for bias.
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>>5913557
>Aurelia Ustong: Your own daughter, and mother of seven. An artistic and rebellious soul, though quite loyal to the Empire. Her loyalty is beyond question but appointing a woman may annoy some of the less forward-thinking nobility.

Fuck everybody
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>>5913555
Did Antonio just stare at Albin while he was making increasingly furious and disgusted faces while he thought of all the pollution Ustong has done? If so that is funny to imagine
>>5913557
>Aurelia Ustong: Your own daughter, and mother of seven. An artistic and rebellious soul, though quite loyal to the Empire. Her loyalty is beyond question but appointing a woman may annoy some of the less forward-thinking nobility.
It guarantees Ustong loyalty and probably pisses off Antonio. Also Lochstrum has already set a precedent for matriarchal houses. They are a minor house now and punished rebels so no one should really care either way
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>>5913569
>Did Antonio just stare at Albin while he was making increasingly furious and disgusted faces while he thought of all the pollution Ustong has done?
That's exactly what happened.
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>>5913557
>Sergio Ustong: The nominal heir of their line, beneath contempt. To your understanding, he has no desire to succeed his father and has tried to abdicate the position four times now. The burden of rule would punish the boy while demonstrating to onlookers that House Heinrich is both merciful and committed to tradition.
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>>5913571
Kek
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>>5913557
>Aurelia Ustong: Your own daughter, and mother of seven. An artistic and rebellious soul, though quite loyal to the Empire. Her loyalty is beyond question but appointing a woman may annoy some of the less forward-thinking nobility.

We can only be sure of the loyalty of one of our own blood

Make sure she personally receives a stipend to use as well, it does not do for one of our daughters to live in poverty
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>>5913557
>Aurelia Ustong: Your own daughter, and mother of seven. An artistic and rebellious soul, though quite loyal to the Empire. Her loyalty is beyond question but appointing a woman may annoy some of the less forward-thinking nobility.
Its time to start making moves.
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>>5913508
>>5913468
I have an idea re: The Otto situation I'll suggest it in my reforms/constitutionpost
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>>5913557
>>Adam Ustong: The husband of your beloved daughter. By all accounts a strong-willed, strong and courageous man, if somewhat slow on the uptake. He should prove uncontroversial and easy enough to control, if less than adept.
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>>5913557
>>Aurelia Ustong: Your own daughter, and mother of seven. An artistic and rebellious soul, though quite loyal to the Empire. Her loyalty is beyond question but appointing a woman may annoy some of the less forward-thinking nobility.
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>>5913565
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The only one you can trust is your own blood. To that end, Aurelia is to be declared matriarch of House Ustong, to lead it as she sees fit. No matter the bloodline’s devastation, it wouldn’t do to have your daughter and grandchildren, even tainted by Ustong blood, to live any less comfortably. They’ll receive a stipend from the imperial palace.

There is some fanfare as the archtraitor is set on the gallows. Trumpets are played, dozens of angles are caught for the holo-tapes, and the gathered nobles murmur amongst themselves. His last words are recorded for posterity. “I have no hate in my heart. I lived as I die. An Ustong.” The lever is thrown and he is hanged, neck snapping almost immediately. Far, far better than he deserves.

Antonio Ustong has been executed for treason! The loyalists of the Empire are filled with joy!

Sergio himself is wracked with a mix of despair and relief. You no longer care. The disgraced noble is dismissed from your sight.

That’s it for the judgement of the Tripartite, but there are lesser factions which joined them in treason and must be addressed.

The proceedings continue.
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>>5913680
Fourth among the condemned are the various Minor Houses which betrayed the Empire to fight for the Tripartite. Much like De Croize, an overwhelming majority of their traitors were killed in battle, and none of them were without at least a portion of counter-rebellious loyalists.

You do have a certain contempt for them, even so, as the Minor Houses of Subregion Perdita were recently empowered by your command, and they rebelled for the sake of their xenophobic tendencies. They have brought shame on their bloodlines, at the very least.

What is your decree?

>The Minor Houses shall be shown leniency. It’s unfair to hold their hatred for the alien against them, when you’ve done so little to teach them their falsehood. Fines will be issued, yes, but such is the magnanimity of the throne, they shall yet be lifted up from their ignominy.
>The Minor Houses shall be shown mercy. They were misled by bold rhetoric and their own ignorance, hardly the fanatic traitors of House Rothsford. The lesser the house, the lesser the crime. In generations to come, the stain on their legacy may be forgotten.
>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.
>The Minor Houses shall be erased. Little better than commoners, all of those houses which contributed troops shall be erased and their members will return to their roots. Those loyalists which fought may yet be adopted by their peers.
>The Minor Houses shall be torn out by the roots! Such an aggressive reaction will alienate much of the nobility, but may appease the Osgus, who are somewhat up-to-date on imperial affairs.
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>>5913682
>>The Minor Houses shall be shown mercy. They were misled by bold rhetoric and their own ignorance, hardly the fanatic traitors of House Rothsford. The lesser the house, the lesser the crime. In generations to come, the stain on their legacy may be forgotten.
The Minor Houses are basically non-players. If leniency is the better option here I'd be willing to change my vote to it.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be shown mercy. They were misled by bold rhetoric and their own ignorance, hardly the fanatic traitors of House Rothsford. The lesser the house, the lesser the crime. In generations to come, the stain on their legacy may be forgotten.
I forgot about them, honestly. I’m willing to flex my vote for someone with a more committed argument than mine, which boils down to “if I forgot about you then you clearly didn’t fuck up badly enough to warrant real punishment”.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be torn out by the roots! Such an aggressive reaction will alienate much of the nobility, but may appease the Osgus, who are somewhat up-to-date on imperial affairs.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be erased. Little better than commoners, all of those houses which contributed troops shall be erased and their members will return to their roots. Those loyalists which fought may yet be adopted by their peers.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be shown leniency. It’s unfair to hold their hatred for the alien against them, when you’ve done so little to teach them their falsehood. Fines will be issued, yes, but such is the magnanimity of the throne, they shall yet be lifted up from their ignominy.
I'm feeling nice. And in the end of the day they don't mean much.
Let's not go all purge happy and alienate the nobility, they'll come into the fold if we act reasonable.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.
Anons remember, mercy only gives us cash while humbling actually gives us planets. Altough the minors were not a major faction they did devastate the Lochstrum fief and thus caused more damage then Rothsford and Ustong did which should be punished. Furthermore, it shows that we do not have a solid grasp on the minors as we thought we did, so better to rip out the disloyalty and repay the minors who did help us (Junger, Martials, etc).
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.
>>5913713 makes a convincing argument. It would probably do us well to gives the planets to Lochstrum to repair our relationship. Plus it shows that we won't tolerate any xenophobic rhetoric.
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>>5913680
>>The Minor Houses shall be shown leniency. It’s unfair to hold their hatred for the alien against them, when you’ve done so little to teach them their falsehood. Fines will be issued, yes, but such is the magnanimity of the throne, they shall yet be lifted up from their ignominy.


They've been punished enough, hit em with a fine and if they get up to silly shit again, we erase them.
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>>5913682
changing my vote>>5913740

>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.

>>5913713 Is right, they did level the home of a loyal house there must be restitution. And we ain't paying.
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>>5913713
But don't the Minor Houses themselves not have any planets? Unless I'm remembering wrong about what the QM said about why the Minor Houses have no major fleets.
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>>5913742
Man we could've gotten more if we had humbled the De Croize house.
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>>5913743
In general, Minor Houses only claim one planet, two low-quality planets, or partial control of one or several planets. If a house has more territory than that, it's prestigious enough to factor into imperial politics and often on the upswing to becoming a Major House in its own right. Some Minor Houses don't have territory at all and get by on their skill or connections to another, larger house.

Most planets aren't capable of supporting an entire war-fleet, even prosperous ones, but the jewel worlds are an exception to this. Because every world is different and there are many possible ship designs, there's no hard ratio for how many planets it takes to sustain a war-fleet but any war-fleet is a heavy drain on the economy supporting it. Hookware Corp barely keeps itself afloat despite making most interplanetary shipping possible, due to their insistence on holding an armada of four war-fleets with only one planet, Tennsey, to support them. Because they do have such a large armada, the noble houses give them a wide-berth and defer to their interests, despite Gus and his family being only commoners.

Cherry Corp is doing quite well with a core world and the sponsorship of the Empire itself. Bullseye Corp is struggling and desperate to get good results for their shipbuilding program, which will most likely be reaching fruition sometime in the beginning of Otto's reign.

>>5913745
That you would have. Remember, you can always conquer more space. The only thing stopping you are the seditious traitors/nonhuman aliens already there who'd try to resist and any tensions at home that might boil over while the armada's away.
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>>5913773
Often defer to their interests, that is. Because Gus and co. are commoners, they walk an extremely fine line when dealing with the nobility. In theory, any noble house could attempt to subjugate Tennsey to seize the shipyards for themselves and not receive any censure. In practice, the noble houses would be hesitant at best to allow any of their rivals to seize that magnitude of shipbuilding facilities and with it, the future military power to imbalance interhouse relations. Hookware Corp has been cautious about playing the nobles against each other but they have fought, in the past.
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>>5913680
>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be torn out by the roots! Such an aggressive reaction will alienate much of the nobility, but may appease the Osgus, who are somewhat up-to-date on imperial affairs.
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>>5913773
In comparison to other houses how rich are the Heinrich’s exactly? They hold the throne of Mars but also Plutul and Uvarth and 5 shipyard core worlds too.
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Merely three generations ago, House Heinrich was a footnote on the imperial scale and no greater than any of the Minor Houses here. Despite your frustration with their xenophobic rhetoric, you pity them for their weakness and are tempted to grant them mercy. More than that, leniency. However, these Minor Houses were responsible for the destruction of House Lochstrum’s holdings in Subregion Enarvis.

Such a slight against a newly Major House, and by extension the royal dynasty which elevated it, cannot go unpunished. You must crackdown on them. Even if it pains you to do so.

You decree that the Minor Houses are to be humbled, stripped of their holdings, and pillaged in compensation for the damages done. This is fair and in light of their bombing campaigns, proportionate.

Parceling out their frontier worlds should make for an interesting bit of politicking. Unfortunately, the duty of judgement has not concluded and may not before the faraway sun, precious Sol, sets.

The proceedings continue.
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>>5913784
>>5913778
Next are those commercial elements which threw their lot in with the Tripartite. Their significance has been won by credits, not blood. They are un-noble, squalid in their very spirits, and possess not the slightest shred of dignity! It is for that reason that rendering proper justice requires a cautious hand.

As these greedy commoners are not noble, they cannot truly be judged as nobles. They, lacking the same pedigree as nobles, fundamentally are not beholden to the same responsibilities as nobles, nor to the same implicit oaths to the throne. Just as one cannot blame a dog for relieving itself in public, one cannot blame a commoner for lacking loyalty to a higher cause.

In the symbolic sense, they’ve committed treason no less terrible but because they aren’t nobles themselves, it means dramatically less. None of these scum are worth your time as Emperor so you’ll go through them in the broadest strokes possible.

Fifth among the condemned are the mercenaries who fought for the Tripartite. Unlike the nobles, they served under contract and would’ve been just as happy to fight for the Empire.

What is your decree?

>Mercenaries are to be executed. These hired-guns sealed their fate the moment they turned their guns toward the throne. Most nobles will be pleased by this, but mercenaries have an odd camaraderie and harshness here could make hiring them difficult in the future.
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
>Mercenaries are to be pardoned. These bottom-feeders are an afterthought to noble politics and beneath the Empire’s concern. They’ll be released without imposing fines but confiscated warships will remain the property of the Empire or house which received them. Fair is fair.
>Mercenaries are to be granted amnesty. They served their contracts as they were under obligation to and surrendered when it became clear that there was no reason to continue. Such professionalism begets more of the same and they’ll be released, with their warships in tow. This will annoy the houses which gained their fleets, but hired-guns the Empire-over will be grateful and the throne may be less likely to face their like in the future.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be executed. These hired-guns sealed their fate the moment they turned their guns toward the throne. Most nobles will be pleased by this, but mercenaries have an odd camaraderie and harshness here could make hiring them difficult in the future.
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>>5913779
In comparison to the other houses, House Heinrich has incredibly wealthy territories but very little generational wealth or income. Mars, Plutul, and Uvarth are each lucrative and could prop up a lesser Major House on their own, but together, they are immense. The five core worlds certainly don't hurt and on average, any three of them could equal a jewel. Currently, of House Heinrich's worlds, only Mars, Plutul, and Uvarth have shipyards and these aren't relevant to its finances, as they're focused on strengthening the imperial navy with imperial funds.

Very few credits are funneling back from them to House Heinrich's treasury and as the ships coming from them aren't going to House Heinrich, there isn't much alarm among the noble houses about the ruling dynasty gathering shipyards under itself. As House Heinrich is ruling with a gentle touch and implemented the veteran resettlement program, their subjects are happy and loyal, but less profitable than they could be if domestic industry was running on full-bore. House Heinrich is also in control of Crown Corp, the former properties of the accursed Floreds Corp in the Federation of Uvarth, which have the potential to be a large moneymaker but haven't been focused in any one direction. Right now, Crown Corp does a little bit of everything and consequently, only makes a little amount of credits relative to its size, but this sort of generalist approach tends to be stable.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be executed. These hired-guns sealed their fate the moment they turned their guns toward the throne. Most nobles will be pleased by this, but mercenaries have an odd camaraderie and harshness here could make hiring them difficult in the future.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be executed. These hired-guns sealed their fate the moment they turned their guns toward the throne. Most nobles will be pleased by this, but mercenaries have an odd camaraderie and harshness here could make hiring them difficult in the future.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be erased. Little better than commoners, all of those houses which contributed troops shall be erased and their members will return to their roots. Those loyalists which fought may yet be adopted by their peers.
To clarify will this involve genocide/mass killings? If so change by vote to
>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
Hopefully this will make mercenaries less popular in the empire
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be executed. These hired-guns sealed their fate the moment they turned their guns toward the throne. Most nobles will be pleased by this, but mercenaries have an odd camaraderie and harshness here could make hiring them difficult in the future.

>>5913773
Alright thanks QM.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be executed. These hired-guns sealed their fate the moment they turned their guns toward the throne. Most nobles will be pleased by this, but mercenaries have an odd camaraderie and harshness here could make hiring them difficult in the future.
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>>5913682

>The Minor Houses shall be shown mercy. They were misled by bold rhetoric and their own ignorance, hardly the fanatic traitors of House Rothsford. The lesser the house, the lesser the crime. In generations to come, the stain on their legacy may be forgotten.

Honestly full extermination is not worth the effort


>>5913786

>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.

We should preserve access to merc groups in the future.
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>>5913786

>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.

Mercs be mercing, they knew what they were getting into when they signed their contracts. Also, we will need a lot of money, the economy was poor before the war started, and it is probably even worse now.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
We need the money and honestly, I see no reason to change our policy towards them since they were just doing their jobs, even for a traitorous cause.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be executed. These hired-guns sealed their fate the moment they turned their guns toward the throne. Most nobles will be pleased by this, but mercenaries have an odd camaraderie and harshness here could make hiring them difficult in the future.
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>>5913682
>The Minor Houses shall be humbled. After Ol’ Hornswoggle’s treachery, they have almost nothing, and the Empire shall take what is left. Their ruin must serve as a fitting example to those who shall rise to take their place.

As is fitting
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>>5913892
That vote is done anon.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free.
Cough up and gtfo of our house.
Wait, I know we seized two merc fleets and distributed them out. Does this mean we return them to the mercs?
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>>5913901
Only if they are granted amnesty as far as I'm aware.
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>>5913786

>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.

>If they want to be mercenarys in our empire. They must give us a chance to hire them before our enemies. If any conflicts happen. We get first dibs. It's also better for them, they get to be on the winning side.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
Remember many of the mercs surrendered to us quickly.
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>>5913786
I don't know where to weight on this so I'll let it play out but i wonder if Angelica would be interested in one last hunt for the hornswoggle bastard at the head of the mercenary armada conscripted for repentance.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
Nobody can hire mercenaries or build more fleets without approval from the Emperor. Maybe we can still find some use for these guys' crews as a state backed mercenary group though.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be granted amnesty. They served their contracts as they were under obligation to and surrendered when it became clear that there was no reason to continue. Such professionalism begets more of the same and they’ll be released, with their warships in tow. This will annoy the houses which gained their fleets, but hired-guns the Empire-over will be grateful and the throne may be less likely to face their like in the future.
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>>5913901
Only if the mercenaries were granted amnesty.

>>5913920
She would be interested in hunting Hornswoggle in one last hurrah, mercenaries or no. At the moment, Galileo is burning hot in pursuit of the pirate. It's anyone's guess how that'll turn out.
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>>5913786
>Mercenaries are to be fined. They are the lowest of the low, aside from pirates, but they also tend to be rich as a result of noble and merchant paranoia. In recompense for their crimes, they’ll pay tribute and go free. Those who fail to pay their dues, believe it or not, straight to Cradus XVII. The traditional approach going back some five dynasties, but there’ve been plenty of exceptions over the centuries.
They did surrender so this is fine
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These mercenaries deserve death for their lack of martial honour and reckless aggression against the throne. At the same time, they are insignificant. Little more than an eyesore and hardly worth the rope. Better they pay their dues and begone from your sight. You contemplate a reform to be rid of this rubbish, but such things take time. Too much to slip into the judgement without distracting from it.

You decree that the mercenaries are to be fined. There is a sigh of relief, a few of them even weep with gratitude. It seems they were anticipating the noose.

The proceedings continue.
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>>5914022
Sixth among the condemned is Amasoft Corp. It goes without saying that every one of their higher members who joined House Rothsford and pledged funds for the Tripartite is to be executed for treason. However, the bulk of the Corp is practically untouched. Its influence is less than it was, but it remains a manufacturing and commercial behemoth in imperial space. At the moment, it is at the Emperor's mercy. For its role in the civil war, they must be punished.

What is your decree?

>Amasoft Corp will be fined. Most of their higher-ups backed Rothsford, but some held on to their old grudges and froze their accounts rather than have funds siphoned. In light of this, you see no reason not to let the Corp continue operating under loyal management, once it has reimbursed the Empire, that is. Given this is far less than you could have taken, Amasoft Corp will doubtless be grateful.
>Amasoft Corp will be seized. The continued monopolies of the Corp are unacceptable, even if they have been undermined by newer competitors. Their stocks will be appropriated by the Empire, to be kept by the ruling dynasty or given to any it deems worthy. This has the most flexibility and would greatly enrich whoever receives it, which will be decided on when the spoils are distributed.
>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.
>Amasoft Corp will be plundered. There is no sense in making a distinction between them and Rothsford. The employees will denounce their Corp or be executed, every remaining Tripartite sympathizer is to be sent to Cradus XVII, and all assets shall be mercilessly pillaged without regard for niceties. Such an act would destroy Amasoft Corp, just as it would add a sizeable amount to the spoils.

Thankfully, this is the last of the traitor factions in need of punishment. Soon, the Empire can move on to granting those who stood at its side their just reward.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.
Simplest choice with the simplest consequences.
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>>5914025

>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.

Our economy is sort of in the shitter right now
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>>5914025
So what does Amasoft actually do? They've come up quite a few times but I can't find a straight-up statement of what their shtick is.

>>5914037
After all the fines, reparations, loot and back-taxes we just walloped the Traitor Houses with?
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be seized. The continued monopolies of the Corp are unacceptable, even if they have been undermined by newer competitors. Their stocks will be appropriated by the Empire, to be kept by the ruling dynasty or given to any it deems worthy. This has the most flexibility and would greatly enrich whoever receives it, which will be decided on when the spoils are distributed.
Take it ourselves and help our stranglehold in naval production
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be plundered. There is no sense in making a distinction between them and Rothsford. The employees will denounce their Corp or be executed, every remaining Tripartite sympathizer is to be sent to Cradus XVII, and all assets shall be mercilessly pillaged without regard for niceties. Such an act would destroy Amasoft Corp, just as it would add a sizeable amount to the spoils.
Money money money
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be plundered. There is no sense in making a distinction between them and Rothsford. The employees will denounce their Corp or be executed, every remaining Tripartite sympathizer is to be sent to Cradus XVII, and all assets shall be mercilessly pillaged without regard for niceties. Such an act would destroy Amasoft Corp, just as it would add a sizeable amount to the spoils.
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>>5914039
Much like Crown Corp does a little of everything, Amasoft Corp does a LOT of everything. They've gotten by on reputation for cheap, convenient goods, shipping anywhere fast in bulk, and sheer economy of scale. For a long time, they were the only Corp focused on domestic markets rather than shipbuilding.

Now that Zephyr Corp, Bullseye Corp, Cherry Corp, Loca Corp, Ceiblue Corp, and Crown Corp have begun tipping over the many pots they had their fingers in, they've begun struggling to bring in the same revenue stream. This fear of being outmoded is why they moved on from their grudge with House Rothsford and joined them, but it was for the most part genuinely smooth politicking from the Tripartite. If the Rothsfords were as good at fighting as they were at financing, the Empire would've been in dire straits.

In regards to the Empire's economy, in the wide-view sense, it has gotten worse due to damages inflicted by the civil war. In the narrower, feudal sense, the treasury now has more funds and the loyalists are in a better position due to their looting and a lack of competition.
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>>5914025

>>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.

Can't have a huge monopolistic corp in the empire, best to get rid of it while we have the chance.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be fined. Most of their higher-ups backed Rothsford, but some held on to their old grudges and froze their accounts rather than have funds siphoned. In light of this, you see no reason not to let the Corp continue operating under loyal management, once it has reimbursed the Empire, that is. Given this is far less than you could have taken, Amasoft Corp will doubtless be grateful.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.
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>>5914025
>>Amasoft Corp will be seized. The continued monopolies of the Corp are unacceptable, even if they have been undermined by newer competitors. Their stocks will be appropriated by the Empire, to be kept by the ruling dynasty or given to any it deems worthy. This has the most flexibility and would greatly enrich whoever receives it, which will be decided on when the spoils are distributed.
Integrate it into Crown Corp.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be plundered. There is no sense in making a distinction between them and Rothsford. The employees will denounce their Corp or be executed, every remaining Tripartite sympathizer is to be sent to Cradus XVII, and all assets shall be mercilessly pillaged without regard for niceties. Such an act would destroy Amasoft Corp, just as it would add a sizeable amount to the spoils.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.
Break up the monopoly and allow it to be sold out, use the money we gain to reinvest in the Empire and the war-torn former Federal territories.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.
The amount of monopolistic mega-corps is too damn high, and this one doesn't have much strategic importance. We could do with one less of these parasites strangling the economy.

>>5914056
Sounds like we have a Reconstruction to do. I was assuming they were talking about it in the context of the treasury.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.
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>>5914092
It was. The Empire's economy is better, but the overall financial prosperity of the Empire has been impacted by the civil war. In mechanical terms, the Economy has improved but the results of Economic actions will be slightly more subdued until it's recovered, which could be anywhere from 10-60 years, depending. As far as civil wars go, this one wasn't too damaging.
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>>5914091
>>5914092
That makes me think, what kinda laws have we got covering this stuff? Do we have like unlimited patents, copyright and no right to repair and shit? Do the Corps have a lot of backing in exchange for lining some bureaucrat's pockets?

>>5914106
So the treasury is full but the economy is in a slump. Not too bad, we have a period of peace ahead of us. Maybe some limited operations but nothing like the Federation War or this Nobles' Rebellion.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be seized. The continued monopolies of the Corp are unacceptable, even if they have been undermined by newer competitors. Their stocks will be appropriated by the Empire, to be kept by the ruling dynasty or given to any it deems worthy. This has the most flexibility and would greatly enrich whoever receives it, which will be decided on when the spoils are distributed.
We Saudi now.
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>>5914109
The Empire has relatively minimal regulations on the domestic market, outside of taxes. There's no formalized patents or copyright structure, the manufacturing processes and schematics behind inventions are kept secret and most vendors try not to rock the boat, unless they think they can get away with it. Certain key technologies are licensed by the throne and forbidden to replicate otherwise, but this extends primarily to specific warship variations.

The only protection against monopolies, price-gouging, and scalping is the potential backlash from the nobility, which has kept the most brazen excesses in check. The Corps enjoy sizeable support from most of the noble houses as a result of lobbying, often through bribes but exclusive contracts aren't at all uncommon.

Apart from the Corps, there are many, many merchants who don't have an interstellar business under them. They for the most part aren't relevant to imperial politics but do stimulate the economy and prevent Corp gridlock from setting in. A healthy, thriving economy is excellent for the Empire and bound to lure in a variety of opportunistic pirates and raiders.

Notably, Empress-Regent Anna and Emperor Albin have both implemented higher standards for Corps to adhere to, but these are oriented around the Corps' products and their production. Their marketing practices are near-anarchic, if desperately trying not to get negative attention from the ruling dynasty. So far, it has been loosely self-correcting but many nobles are of the opinion the economy could use a firmer structure.

The ERC's foremost duty is to enforce regulations on the factions within the Empire, though Emperor Albin has encouraged a strong shift toward militant environmentalism. For the most part, this has been threatening Corps to obey Albin's decrees under pain of death.
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>>5913459
I didn't notice this earlier but spotted it just now. That's an interesting idea and I'll likely implement it the next time there's a major, many-pronged vote like this.
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>>5914025
>Amasoft Corp will be dismantled. This Corp is far larger than it has any right to be and its current size represents a threat to imperial interests. To that end, it shall be broken into hundreds if not thousands of smaller components, which will then be sold to the highest bidder. It isn't the flashiest choice but with so much to sell, it will be a considerable boost to the Empire's economy.
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>>5914132
>The only protection against monopolies, price-gouging, and scalping
A monopoly can only be maintained through force. Price-gouging and scalping are just derogatory names for high prices, prices that wouldn't exist if there weren't people willing to pay them. In other words, things seem pretty alright.

Biggest worry is collaboration between the nobles and the corps, that'll be a source of problems.
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You are tempted to seize Amasoft Corp or better yet, have it plundered but reason that the economy is in a poor position. Better to enrich the Empire as a whole than any one lesser faction. Even if it is your own.

You decree that Amasoft Corp is to be dismantled and its components sold to the highest bidder. This is an uncontroversial choice and what most were expecting. Still, Amasoft Corp is no more.

The proceedings continue.
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>>5914170
Now come the spoils!

Due to the affluence of House Rothsford, taxes levied upon House De Croize, the humbling of the traitorous House Ustong and the Minor Houses, there is a vast stack of loot to be divvied out. You note that the Tripartite have a number of planets to be reallocated, and ignoring a faction here would be more than forgiven through a generous grant of holdings.

There are eleven(!) major pieces of Plunder at your disposal.

As the Emperor of Mankind, it is your duty and privilege to determine who should receive them.

>House Heinrich: The ruling dynasty has been enshrined as legitimate through force and is more than entitled to enrich itself.
>House Soluton: Your cousins have suffered for the Empire, time and time again, and are worthy of recognition.
>House Arthen: As they sat by and did nothing during the civil war, a reward will see them burn with guilt and shame.
>House Nightshayd: If not for their brilliance in assassinating Ezekiel Rothsford, the civil war might still be ongoing.
>House Lochstrum: Even with their failure to uphold discipline, their holdings were reduced to ruin by lack of an imperial garrison.
>House Junger: Their madman, Yannick, fired some of the last shots, might as well throw them a bone.
>House Rausch: Your namesake's bloodline, responsible for some of the hardiest soldiers in imperial space.
>House Phillips: Among the nobility, they are perhaps the most determined to serve in battle, and least considerate of their own lives.
>House Schafer: The excellence of their admiral, Oskar II, contributed greatly to a loyalist victory.
>The Martial Houses: It is to the Empire's advantage to keep the trio in an easily controlled bloc.
>The Minor Houses: Most remained loyal, even if they didn't dare risk contributing warships to the throne's forces.
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>>5914171
>The Royal Guard: They have done so very little in their tenure, perhaps an infusion of funds could see them become more capable.
>The Imperial Navy: It must be remembered that they suffered some losses, they must be remembered.
>The Imperial Shipyards: The shipwrights on Mars are doing well enough but their service warrants a more tangible kickback.
>The Astronomicon: As far as you're aware, they're still refining their training program and could use some funds.
>The ERC: These men were martyrs who died at your word without the slightest hesitation, those that live surely warrant a kingly sum.
>The ISL: They've done a great deal for alien acceptance and influx of riches would help them to expand operations.
>Crown Corp: Your own Corp is significant on the imperial stage, but it is barely so, and could use the help.
>Hookware Corp: After all, Gus 454th didn't pledge fleets, but he did refuse to serve the Tripartite and repaired Soluton's vessels for free.
>Ceiblue Corp: Their focus on medicine and processing food has been of some help.
>Loca Corp: Harold's Day in the Sun still delights you, misunderstood masterpiece that it is.
>Cherry Corp: You are quite pleased by the performance of their new designs under admiral Killian Aboze.
>Bullseye Corp: They're contributing to the Empire's shipyards but staying afloat on paper-thin margins.
>Guild Artem: Such artistic pursuits aren't of interest to you, but a gift would surely receive one in kind.
>Guild Malleator: The craftsmen do excellent work, mayhap they could pressure the Corps through quality over quantity.
>The Osgus State: You love the Osgus almost as much as your own subjects, and dearly want to form closer relations, so that they might in time be nobly guided.
>The Kingdom of Mukvir: Oh, such delicate petals, such marvelous fronds, these anatomic curiosities would surely appreciate acknowledgement from the Empire.
>The Masses: The population is still reeling from the recent conquest of the Federation of Uvarth, and could likely use the help.
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>>5914171
We can give multiple pieces to the same recipient right? If so:

5 to Heinrich
3 to Soluton
2 to Nightshayd
1 to the Martial Houses
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>>5914171
>House Heinrich: 0
>House Soluton: 2
>House Arthen: 0
>House Nightshayd: 2
>House Lochstrum: 1
>House Junger: 1
>House Rausch: 1
>House Phillips: 1
>House Schafer: 2
>The Martial Houses: 1
>The Minor Houses: 0

Taking planets is most important and should be the focus of House Heinrich
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>>5914175
You can, yes, although a skewed plunder ratio could fuel subtle resentment.
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Someone mentioned earlier that the Empire is stuck in a rut scientifically (and that seems to be true), so we should probably use some of the spoils to establish a new Scientific Academy to further our research and development of new technologies. Then at the very least two spoils should be directed towards the actual population of the Empire so we can rebuild ravaged worlds, restart the economy and get back some loyalty before we have a commoner uprising.
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>>5914171
>House Heinrich: 2
>House Soluton: 2
>House Nightshayd: 2
The major players get the most rewards.
>The Imperial Navy: 1
The navy gets less because it isn't really a faction but the funds will help recuperation.
>House Lochstrum: 1
They helped but since they get less because they bowed out.
>The Martial Houses: 1
They helped but didn't provide as much aid on scale, like warfleets. Their reward matches their contribution.
>The Masses: 2
To help appease them, we need to get happiness back up.
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>>5914176
>>5914183
Lochstrum shouldn't get any in my opinion.

The way the masses should be appeased is through a period of little to zero taxes, not a handout.
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>>5914190
They fought until near the end and had their holdings blasted. It's somewhat understandable, and we also want to repair our relations with them, which are at an all time low of neutral. In my opinion, that's unacceptable for a noble house that we basically created, which by all means should be fervently loyal to us.
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>>5914190
>>5914192
We also promised them that they would get priority in reconstruction efforts. Seems kinda scummy to promise that and give them zero loot.
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>>5914192
And they gave up at the moment of our greatest victory. The martial houses look down on them for it with good reason.

>>5914194
A much better argument, very well >>5914175 change my vote to remove one from Heinrich and give it to Lochstrum. I still believe they should get no planets however.
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>>5914192
To n go back to my Saudi/Qatar analogy, I think the best thing for the masses is to route or funds into a welfare state for the commoners.
Also I am not sure what giving planets to "the masses" entails
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>>5914206
This vote is for Plunder, not planets.
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>>5914206
No no no. No welfare state, it gives us a lot of power true but it's all a lot more trouble than it's worth.
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>>5914171
>House Heinrich: 4
>House Soluton: 2
>House Nightshayd: 1
>House Lochstrum: 1
>The Martial Houses: 1
>The ERC: 1
>The Masses: 1
Mostly just giving to our friends, the most loyal those that lost the most (like the ERC making it's last stand, besides they'll make good guard dogs we can point against our enemies also having eco-knights sounds kino), the masses (I still think it's important to give them something so they're content enough to not rebel) and to repair some relations with Lochstrum.
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>>5914183
>>5914211
How about this: I'd be fine with masses if by masses it means giving it to the common people who suffered damages during the war as opposed to any chump with a heartbeat.
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>>5914206
This is for plunder, or the liquid assets taken from the enemy. There'll be a separate vote for the planets after this. If Albin tried to give planets to the masses or an alien species, his own dynasty would almost certainly think he'd gone mad and try to depose him.
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>>5914214
That's mostly what I'm going for. It's important that the people know that they can trust their government to reconstruct after a civil war I feel.

>>5914206
A welfare state sounds interesting. It's a surefire way to keep the people from rebelling, at least for the most part.
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>>5914214
That's what it entails, yes. Direct, one-off funds for the masses hardest hit by the fighting, rather than more gradual institutional assistance.
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>>5914218
It is not our responsibility to reconstruct. It is our responsibility to compensate those hurt over this war. Also please stop with the welfare state idea, it's a faustian bargain my friend.

>>5914220
Didn't sound like it in the prompt. I can get behind giving some money to people who got fucked over by our personal business spilling over their lives.
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>>5914171
>>5914175
>>5914195
Here's my new and improved list:
4 to Heinrich
2 to Soluton
2 to Nightshayd
1 to Lochstrum
1 to the Martial Houses
1 to the Masses (of victims)
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>>5914171
>House Heinrich 3
>House Soluton 1
>House Nightshayd 1
>House Lochstrum 1
>The Martial Houses 1
>The Minor Houses 1
>The ERC 1
>The Masses 2
Get the people on our side, and take most of the stuff. Also reward those that sacrificed the most, like Soulton and the ERC.
Green Knight go brrrrr
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>>5914171
>House Heinrich 2
>House Soluton 2
>House Nightshayd 2
>House Lochstrum 1
>The Martial Houses 1
>The Minor Houses 1
>The ERC 1
>The Masses 1
Equal share to us, the House of our mom and the House of our wife without which we wouldn't have won so handily, lesser shares to the others who contributed
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>>5914237
The minor houses shouldn't get plunder, Soluton and Nightshayd should get two and the (New) ERC should get their money passed through us first in my opinion.
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>>5914172
>>5914244
>>5914218
>>5914216
In this case I think we should save planets for our stronger political allies and lean the plunder more towards other entities that could use the funding , like the ERC, the Shipyards and the masses
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>>5914225
Hmm, that's fair. On rereading, I figure I ought to have gone for clarity of information over sentence flow.

Regarding the internal structure of the Empire, everything is subject to change, be it through violence or reform. The only limit to your authority as Emperor is that which you allow, and which your rivals and subjects can enforce.
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>>5914225
>it's not the government's responsibility to reconstruct the country after a civil war
Yeah screw the citizens, they should be happy we aren't doing eugenics on them lol
But on a serious note how is a welfare state a faustian bargain? They seem to be pretty stable (again for the most part).

>>5914244
But isn't the ERC getting it's money passed through us with this?

>>5914246
That's fair, but I mean none have even voted to put any of the loot in Crown Corp or the Imperial Shipyards.
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>>5914171
>House Heinrich: 3
Since we once again did all the work
>House Soluton: 2
They bled the most and are our favourite cousins
>House Nightshayd: 1
They did good work and I don't think they want any planets, so some coin going to them will be appreciated for their efforts
>House Lochstrum: 1
They participated throughout the war and only left when their throne was bombed to shit, they need the shekels to rebuild as we promised them
>The Martial Houses: 1
They shall all be equally rewarded since they all gave soldiers and admirals
>The ERC: 1
To help them rebuild and to memorialize our Martyrs
>The Masses: 2
Obviously to help rebuild the affected areas, the bombed-out fed worlds and to overall help fix the economy

>>5914179
Agree with creating a science academy but that should happen after this is all done
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>>5914246
The shipyards are fine, the New ERC should get their money passed through us first.

>>5914254
>Yeah screw the citizens, they should be happy we aren't doing eugenics on them lol
That mockery doesn't even make sense. We don't rebuild because it's not our business and neither is eugenics for that matter.

>But on a serious note how is a welfare state a faustian bargain? They seem to be pretty stable (again for the most part).
The problem is that it gets the state running treadmills to keep the money flowing, kinda like a ponzi scheme. Our politicians keep it going mainly through debt and money printing and those aren't sensible solutions.

>But isn't the ERC getting it's money passed through us with this?
Nah it will be getting passed to them from whoever we took it from.
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>>5914262
>not our business
Dude we started a civil war that destroyed infrastructure and ruined the lives of potentially hundreds of millions.
>The problem is that it gets the state running treadmills to keep the money flowing, kinda like a ponzi scheme. Our politicians keep it going mainly through debt and money printing and those aren't sensible solutions.
I don't think it's that simple, since there are tons of small factors that can affect things like prices and the larger economy as a whole. Effective financial regulation in a welfare state can prevent bubbles in the economy as well as mitigating most negative effects.
>Nah it will be getting passed to them from whoever we took it from.
We are the ones that control the flow of the plunder. It is only through our good will that anyone gets it, without us they would have nothing.
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>>5914171
>House Heinrich 1
>Crown Corp 1
>House Soluton 2
>House Nightshayd 2
>House Lochstrum 1
>The Martial Houses 1
>The Minor Houses 1
>The ERC 1
>The Masses 1
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>>5914283
>Dude we started a civil war that destroyed infrastructure and ruined the lives of potentially hundreds of millions.
Which is why we'll compensate those affected and greatly lower taxes for some time.

>I don't think it's that simple, since there are tons of small factors that can affect things like prices and the larger economy as a whole. Effective financial regulation in a welfare state can prevent bubbles in the economy as well as mitigating most negative effects.
How does that contradict anything I said? Regulation doesn't negate the fact that if you want a welfare state then you gotta spend spend spend.
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>>5914298
What I'm trying to say is that inflation (mass money printing and debt) does not fully affect the economy in a negative way if managed correctly. We can spend more if we have greater control over the economy, natural resources, and a system of taxation that can be found in most welfare states.
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>>5914323
>What I'm trying to say is that inflation (mass money printing and debt) does not fully affect the economy in a negative way if managed correctly.
Keynesian and/or MMT nonsense my friend. Inflation and debt are economic tools for state power, not means to bring prosperity to the greater economy.

I feel further argument would not be fruitful and would derail this conversation however.
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>>5914329
>I feel further argument would not be fruitful and would derail this conversation however.
While I politely disagree with your economic stance, this statement is well said.
We can agree to disagree, in the end the dice gods are our true enemy.
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>>5914172
Update soon QM?
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>>5914472
I'm going to give it a few more hours, as I'm both still at work and this'll shape faction dynamics for the foreseeable future. I think that we'll continue this thread until Albin's reign is done, then we'll shift over to Otto's reign, unless something major happens and he isn't able to assume the throne, which is extremely unlikely but theoretically possible. Sudden ruination is right around the corner, just as golden opportunities. The mark of a great dynasty is navigating both without losing direction.
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>>5914476
I really don't want to say I hope Albin dies soon....but this threat is getting pretty laggy.
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>>5914476
Albin will live to 200 to spite Lungham which in turn makes the new Arthen head try to outdo Albin.
>>5914481
If it's any consolation next thread should also be action-packed, the long awaited Vrak invasion should begin as its been enough time since they fought the federation to recouperate, the human reaver clans are thoroughly infiltrated and the kingdom still needs to be made to heel.
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>>5914481
Albin is 80 and Otto is 49. If he doesnt insist on clinging to rule, he has one turn left before retirement, maybe two. Otto is almost definitely going to be trying to get married in the next turn or so. Your son has been fighting and training to fight almost his entire life. Now that he's been maimed, he's acknowledged that he's getting older and slower to himself, and accepted deep down that it's his soon going to be his time to rule. Otto was in his mid-40s at the start of the civil war and spent most of his prime adventuring in known and unknown space. He may not be talented toward statecraft as his grandfather, but he's built a wealth of experience and connections over the decades.

>>5914485
I predict Otto's reign will be either extremely peaceful or extremely violent, with no in-between. There's also the other aliens to reckon with, and of course, that which lurks in the Lost Reaches.
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>>5914485
I'm unsure about the Vraks. They had their back broken for a generation and we're still a tough opponent, I believe tougher than the Federation was prewar. And there's other targets around us they might also go after first once they've built their strength back up. We should have dealt with them more.....permanently after the war.

>>5914498
What is the usual policy on succession? Do emperors and other important leaders step down by tradition when they get wrinkly enough, or does it vary?

I think the Empire's (read: me) had its fill of war for a while. I want to see a massive effort to explore the Lost Reaches as the Empire enters a new age of peace, prosperity and colonisation.....I hope. Better not taunt Old Man Murphy.
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>>5914498
>I predict Otto's reign will be either extremely peaceful or extremely violent, with no in-between.
I predict it will be moderately violent. A punitive campaign over here, a black ops operation over there. Something like that.
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>>5914498
Hopefully when Albins great political reformation begins when us anons finally get to push all our agendas through (next turn), one of them will be a solid diplomatic corp to handle external relations and actually standardize it.
>>5914508
After this war, we (Heinrich and the navy) have gotten stronger and with the wealth we have now taken we can probably do another naval expansion. The Vraks would be pretty retarded to attack, but they are also space Skaven so they definitely will.
>>5914512
Otto will take the last 2 human factions and finally reunify humanity.
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>>5914508
At the moment, there is no usual policy on succession. In most cases, the first Emperor of a dynasty sets the precedent for their descendants but in the case of House Heinrich, Alphonse was killed outright and his son assumed the throne after the reign of his wife as Empress-Regent. A very turbulent start. Otto is likely to resign soon after his son comes of age, if he manages to sire an heir, but he's just as likely to reign well into his old age if he feels it's necessary. Albin's actions in the days to come will determine the future precedent for House Heinrich.

>>5914512
>>5914513
Both quite possible.
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>>5914260
>>5914171
>support
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>>5914513
I can see Otto conquering the Reaver Clans but Chavenac? Unless we get a great opportunity like we got with the Federation, I think it's unlikely.

>>5914516
I think the process should be that once the Emperor is getting on in years, he will start a process of giving away more and more responsibilities to his heir until he ultimately abdicates and either retires or takes up a more minor role. I can see Albin at the head of the ERC after he abdicates.
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>>5914520
Reaver clans I assume by now Nightshayd has infiltrated all its clans so should be easy but Chavenac may just be a regular conquest, we will win since we outnumber them by quite a bit, they only have 30 worlds after all. OR perhaps, we get the reaver clans to fight Chavenac and swoop in to take both.
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>>5914520
That brings to mind the question about how we're going to rebuild the ERC. I think we should take the opportunity to professionalise and temper it, possibly folding it into the Border Patrol or making it an arm of the Imperial bureaucracy with wider responsibilities like the space EPA rather than the rabble of fanatics it admittedly was previously.
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>>5914523
but the ERC death cult was great though
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>>5914528
Fun indeed, but politically toxic and less effective than they could be if professionally organised,
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>>5914523
>>5914528
Ok hear me out: Eco-Friendly Space Knightly Order.
Something like the Templars or Livonia or even the Teutonic Knights, but completely loyal to the Emperor's political will.
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>>5914513
>Hopefully when Albins great political reformation begins when us anons finally get to push all our agendas through (next turn)
Reforms can wait for Otto, we really need to open diplomatic relations with the Mukvir before Albin retires. Who knows when we'll get another xenophile Emperor like him? Could be never.
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>>5914329

>antiKeynesian economic stance

No offense but there is nothing magic about “market demand” vs “govt demand”. Demand is demand. In a capitalist society, Keynesian govt intervention has been shown to drive economic growth countless times.
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>>5914260
Support
>>5914549
This concerns me because we really need to know what Otto thinks about our Alien Diplomacy stuff. I hate to see Albin's passion go to waste.
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>>5914550
But the mechanics and incentives are different when taxes are involved. And by Keynesian metrics, America went into a depression after World War 2 when in reality it was much the opposite.

Keynesian style economics is great for power which HAS it's uses but to say that it is better at economic prosperity than the austrian style is wrong.

Now Im going off on a tangent which is why I didn't want to continue this in the first place.
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>>5914516
Do the noblemen have an actual title hierarchy? Like how the great houses such as Soluton and Arthen would be called Dukes and then going down like Marquiss, Viscount, etc? Or is it just relative?
>>5914538
I am always for knight orders in anything
>>5914549
The opposite for me actually, I want Albin to be the one that does all the unpopular reforms that may have backlash because he is going to be out soon so if things go wrong, the blame goes to him and Otto is in the clear with a fresh reputation and a good image.
>>5914561
I for one would like to hear the tangent
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>>5914549
Should we open them with Mukvir or solidify the Osgus alliance? I’m leaning he should open with the Mukvir too, but the latter should be considered.

>>5914520
I’d support Albin stepping down to personally rebuild the ERC. They died for him, and it makes sense he’d want to rebuild “his” people.
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>>5914571
Why not both?
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>>5914571
Mukvir. We've got our foot firmly in the door with the Osgus and a future Emperor can build on it any time they choose, but they're much less likely to take the plunge to initiate with the Mukvir.
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>>5914558
Otto is wary of aliens for their enigmatic, inhuman minds but open to cooperation. This is part because of Albin's views influencing him during his time at court, part because of his viewing Jumpcrawl tournaments featuring Osgus and Mankind vying against each other in feats of violent, team-based athleticism. By modern standards, Jumpcrawl is an extremely aggressive sport and while not explicitly allowed, fatalities and crippling injuries are both common and viewed as part of the game. All in good fun. In his time as Emperor, Albin has noted that the Osgus are less likely to report a foul resulting in a squid's mutilation or death than the Humans themselves are.

The ISL has brought a large minority of the masses to view Osgus as neighbours in a friendly rivalry to Humanity, rather than alien abominations from beyond the veil. It's difficult to tell how this has influenced relations from the Osgus perspective, but their communications have gradually gotten less hostile and more competitive. While they aren't allies to the Empire, as far as historical relations toward alien species go, they are quite friendly.

The Mukvir are a total enigma and haven't made contact since the destruction of House Vonduul. As they're somewhat isolationist, this is likely to continue in the future if an effort isn't made to break the ice.

>>5914564
The nobles do have an actual title hierarchy, though some of the specifics vary from house to house. In broad terms, the Emperor is the highest-ranking noble, followed by the patriarchs (or matriarchs) of the various noble houses, and then the dukes of large sectors or valuable planets, the marquise of small sectors or intermediate planets, and counts of continents and metropoli, (occasionally nonvaluable planets), all the way down to the barons of individual regions and cities. Knights are those without holdings but trained and sworn to a retinue. The planetary governors are part of the imperial bureaucracy, independent of this, and for the most part are figureheads, but do claim genuine authority in planets which aren't held by major houses as the Empire supersedes the lesser nobility.
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>>5914171
>>5914175
>>5914235
>>5914260
Imma change my vote to favour anon's list so as to simplify the count and hopefully get things moving.
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>>5914592
>and while not explicitly allowed, fatalities and crippling injuries are both common and viewed as part of the game.
So like fistfights in hockey. Neat.
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>>5914592
The stadiums must go crazy when someone breaks their spine
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>>5914564
>I am always for knight orders in anything
We are of the same mind.
Now the real question is how they can become a Knightly State/Order that is fully loyal to the Emperor. My thoughts are to turn it into something that'll keep the nobles in check, making sure there's never the possibility of another civil war starting like it did with us.
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>>5914606
Unfortunately, we can’t. Any organization with the power to bully the noble houses freely like that could decide they want to be in power instead and cooperate with them to overthrow us. The ERC was our double-edged sword in a similar regard, kept assuredly loyal through Albin’s personal alignment with their goals. Future emperors aren’t guaranteed to get along with any organizations we create.

It’s safer to set up political/legal systems that in theory have the power to overrule us, but in practice encourage backstabbing the other houses for pieces of their pie since it’s easier. Keeps them more pissed at each other most of the time, giving us cover to do what we need for the Empire.

Revamping the legal system could be a way of doing that. Probably should be done anyway to make sure the laws and expectations of our newly conquered worlds in the Federation are as expected.
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>>5914171
>The Royal Guard: They have done so very little in their tenure, perhaps an infusion of funds could see them become more capable.
>The Imperial Navy: It must be remembered that they suffered some losses, they must be remembered.
>The ISL: They've done a great deal for alien acceptance and influx of riches would help them to expand operations.
>Hookware Corp: After all, Gus 454th didn't pledge fleets, but he did refuse to serve the Tripartite and repaired Soluton's vessels for free.
>Loca Corp: Harold's Day in the Sun still delights you, misunderstood masterpiece that it is.
>Cherry Corp: You are quite pleased by the performance of their new designs under admiral Killian Aboze.
>Bullseye Corp: They're contributing to the Empire's shipyards but staying afloat on paper-thin margins.
>Guild Artem: Such artistic pursuits aren't of interest to you, but a gift would surely receive one in kind.
>Guild Malleator: The craftsmen do excellent work, mayhap they could pressure the Corps through quality over quantity.
>The Osgus State: You love the Osgus almost as much as your own subjects, and dearly want to form closer relations, so that they might in time be nobly guided.
>The Kingdom of Mukvir: Oh, such delicate petals, such marvelous fronds, these anatomic curiosities would surely appreciate acknowledgement from the Empire.
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>>5914650
>It’s safer to set up political/legal systems that in theory have the power to overrule us, but in practice encourage backstabbing the other houses for pieces of their pie since it’s easier.
We have to be careful that such a political system won't be one in which loopholes are eventually found. It also is of note that there will probably be another power bloc forming in the future, with the 'legend' of this revolt as its beginning, one that looks after the interests of the nobility instead of those of the Emperor and the Empire. We also have to make sure we don't suffer the same fate as the first Emperor, with him dying by the hands of egalitarians and democrats. And merchant power is not to be underestimated, especially if it goes unchecked.
Basically what I'm saying is that legalism and legal reform is good in theory, but if there isn't some force keeping it in place it invites opportunists and factionalism.

Which is why I'm shilling the ERC so much, cause we're in prime position to shape it into something we want (like a badass Knightly Order that's loyal to the Emperor).
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>>5914134
Thanks for being so conductive to feedback .
Not just with this vote but in general you are one of the most communicative QMs I gave observed. Kudos .
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>>5914298
>spend spend spend.
We're already doing that. might as well spend it on the people. It's not like we are going to be caught up in budget issues.
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>>5914176
>>5914183
>>5914211
>>5914237
>>5914243
>>5914260
>>5914286
>>5914518
>>5914558
>>5914594
>>5914666
You reason that the greatest share should go to those who vanquished the Tripartite and preserved the future of the Empire. All the same, the martyrdom of the ERC must not be forgotten, and those among the masses who’ve lost everything must be helped in their hour of need. Just as the subjects of the Empire are yours to command as Emperor, their continued survival is your responsibility.

The Spoils are distributed as follows:

For the celebration of your triumphant rule, House Heinrich receives a staggering fortune in confiscated credits, a plethora of irreplaceable artworks, and a planetary garage of sleek luxury vessels. All quite valuable and as prestigious as they are easy to exchange for hard assets.

For honouring your alliance and sacrificing many more brave sons, House Soluton receives a suite of crystal manufacturers and exclusive ship components, with the schematics of their design.

For easing the civil war considerably at great risk to themselves, House Nightshayd receives a sprawling heap of discrete chemical synthesizers, of use to their operations.

For contributing to the major void battles of the conflict, even with their failure to hold discipline, House Lochstrum receives a pile of fracking machinery, retooled for a lessened impact on the ecosystem.

For their continued loyalty to the ruling dynasty, the Martial Houses receive a fleet of civilian freighters, excellent for interstellar logistics.

For their martyrdom and dedication to the beauty of the cosmos, the ERC receives a vast arsenal of high-end munitions which were never fired.

For the easing of their suffering and proof that the Empire cares, the masses receive a respectable sum of credits and assistance in the reconstruction of their ruined lives and shattered communities, funded by the sale of fine luxuries and lucrative properties.

Those who fought in the campaign are more than satisfied, as the teeming multitudes held beneath the concern of so many of the nobility no-doubt will be. Such spoils are substantial and will improve the fortunes of those who’ve won them, but they are, in the grand galactic scheme, the merest of trivialities.

Now, comes the meat of the matter. The very crux and cause of conquest, the expansion of imperial clay!
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>>5915032
The planets of the enemy, now seized, must be divvied out. As the Emperor, it is once again your duty and privilege to do so.

You review the territories of the Tripartite.

They are many, and you desire them all. However, as House De Croize was shown mercy, their planets must remain their own and because you chose to humble House Ustong, in recognition of their surrender, they must be left at least one world, possibly two if you were feeling generous for your daughter Aurelia’s sake.

Everything else is fair game.

>The Tripartite Entente: 39 worlds, 10 core, 29 frontier
>House Rothsford: 11 worlds, 3 core, 8 frontier
>House De Croize: 10 worlds, 4 core, 6 frontier
>House Ustong: 12 worlds, 2 core, 10 frontier
>Minor Houses: 5 worlds, 5 frontier
>Amasoft Corp: 1 world, 1 core

You consider these planets carefully, then contemplate the balance of territories across the Empire. House Heinrich and House Soluton are preeminent among the nobility, as is proper, the Martial Houses are rising in a hurry, and some of the Minor Houses are increasingly less so.

>The Eternal Empire: 76 worlds, 3 jewels, 34 core, 34 frontier
>House Heinrich: 8 worlds, 3 jewels, 5 core
>House Soluton: 8 worlds, 8 core
>House Arthen: 8 worlds, 6 core, 2 frontier
>House Nightshayd: 3 worlds, 2 core, 1 frontier
>House Rausch: 7 worlds, 1 core, 6 frontier
>House Phillip: 3 worlds, 3 core
>House Schafer: 5 worlds, 2 core, 3 frontier
>House Lochstrum: 5 worlds, 2 core, 3 frontier
>House Talcaster: 5 worlds, 1 core, 4 frontier
>House Junger: 3 worlds, 3 frontier
>House Aboze: 3 worlds, 3 frontier
>Minor Houses: 16 worlds, 2 core, 9 frontier
>Hookware Corp: 1 world, 1 core
>Cherry Corp: 1 world, 1 core

This is a critical chance to empower yourself and your allies, tilting the balance within the Empire for the foreseeable future. You note that certain non-noble factions might also be granted a planet at your discretion, though too much of this could be controversial. As incredible an opportunity as this may be, you must take care not to seem too greedy to your peers.

Unless, of course, you have an immense and loyal armada to fall back on, which, come to think of it, you do. The significance of your victory in this civil war sinks in. Without the meddling Tripartite, House Heinrich faces no major domestic opposition. After decades of intrigue, the Eternal Empire is finally yours and you reign uncontested!

The second civil war was fought within a century of the first and won no less handily. It may be senility weighing down on your psyche, but you’re confident that you could win a third. Perhaps you could win the war and lose the peace. Perhaps a lesser lineage would. House Heinrich has not failed its ambitions yet.

At the taste of victory, you feel invincible!

Even so, you are growing old and must leave a strong foundation for your successor.

How do you want to distribute the planets of the Tripartite?
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>>5914600
Exactly like hockey.

>>5914604
In addition to the conventional betting pools, clandestine side-gambling sees a substantial amounts of funds go through. The bloodier highlight reels are frowned upon in polite society, but the holo-tapes circulate among the more violent-minded commoners and less refined nobility nonetheless. At least among Mankind. You're reasonably sure that casualties are broadcast in exhausting detail in the Osgus State.

>>5914774
Thank you, anon. I appreciate that, but it's hard not to be when there's so much engaging discussion about everything going on. There's usually a wide variety of perspectives and preferred approaches on everything, and that's excellent to see. You guys are great.
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>>5915037
>House De Croize: 10 worlds, 4 core, 6 frontier
>House Ustong: 12 worlds, 2 core, 10 frontier
>Minor Houses: 9 worlds, 1 frontier
>Cherry Corp: 2 frontier
>The ISL: 1 world, 6 frontier
>Loca Corp: 1 core, 2 worlds, 1 frontier
>Bullseye Corp: 1 core, 1 world, 1 frontier
>Guild Artem: 1 core, 2 worlds, 1 frontier
>Guild Malleator: 1 core, 2 worlds, 1 frontier
>The Osgus State: 1 frontier
>The Kingdom of Mukvir: 1 frontier
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>>5915037
6/6 Core
27/27 Frontier
I removed De Croize from the count and 2 frontier worlds for our daughter Aurelia.

>Heinrich: 2 Core, 6 Frontier
We will take Amasofts world for ourselves due to the wealth it could produce and Rothsford former throne to cement ourselves as the undisputed masters of the Empire and superiority over the old blood. 6 Frontiers to diversify

>Soluton: 2 Core, 6 Frontier
Both of the Rothsford cores as a reward for their blood spilt and continued loyalty to the crown. 6 Frontiers to diversify

>Rausch: 3 Frontier
Rewarded for their continued loyalty and action

>Phillip: 3 Frontier
Rewarded for their continued loyalty and action

>Schafer: 1 Core, 1 Frontier
The other Ustong core to reward the admirals loyalty and performance during the war. 1 Frontier cause I had a spare.

>Lochstrum: 1 Core
The former Ustong throne, to both repair relations and to establish the crowns usurpation of the old houses with the new ones. Nothing more for their breaking of discipline

>Talcaster: 1 Frontier
Loyalty but I don’t think they did much

>Junger: 3 Frontier
Rewarded for their continued loyalty and action

>Aboze: 1 Frontier
Loyalty but I don’t think they did much

>Minors: 3 Frontier
To reward those who remained loyal and whose contributions were outclassed

Apologies for any mistakes as this mobile and I am writing this at 4:30
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>>5915037
>Heinrich: 3 Core, 5 Frontier
And take Amasofts for ourselves, though I think this will probably be a seperate vote.
>Soluton: 2 Core, 4 Frontier
>Rausch: 3 Frontier
>Schafer: 1 Core
>Lochstrum: 1 Core
>Junger: 3 Frontier
>ERC: 1 Core, 2 Frontier
>Martial Houses: 3 Frontier
>Minor Houses: 3 Frontier
>De Croize: 2 Cores, 4 Frontier
>House Ustong: 2 Frontier
Sorry if there's something wrong with the distribution of the planets, it's late at night for me.

My logic for most of this is to reward our allies, ease tensions with certain nobles (I'm looking at you Lochstrum) and keep De Croize mostly intact (since they joined our side by the end of it), and the Ustong frontier planet is for our daughter. Nightshayd has repeatedly said they don't want planets, so I think it's wise to respect that wish. Also since there's been some talk about the ERC, I propose that if Albin is going to be the head of this new ERC, then it follows that he should have at least one planet to honor the position. A Knightly Order with a state, maybe? If it's too much I'd be willing to change my vote to just give them less if that would be supported by people more.
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>>5915045
>Exactly like hockey.
>there are people who are fans of jumpcrawl EXCLUSIVELY because of the deaths
Space is badass.
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>>5915049
+1
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>>5915062
Support
>>5915049
As much as I like the Xenos, giving anything to them is just asking for a violent regime change
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>>5915037
>>5915062
Support this split
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>>5915062
>>5915037

Support.
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>>5915062
This, but reduce both Heinrich and Soluton to 4 Frontier worlds each

Give 2 leftovers to Crown Corp & the other 2 to the Imperial Navy - they can use them as mining worlds

We really need to build them both up
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>>5915062
+1
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>>5915222
>>5915062
>support
I say we fold armasofts into crown Corp.
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>>5915222
+1 I do gotta say though it feels a bit wrong to give house Solution more core worlds. No loyalties last forever and them having more core worlds then we do rubs me the wrong way for some reason. If we continue empowering them alongside ourselves we should really just combine houses at one point if possible.
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>>5915037
I forgot to ask since I was snoozing but what do each of our allies want here exactly?
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>>5915037
>>5915103
Changing my vote to
>Crown Corp: 1 Frontier
>Imperial Navy: 1 Frontier
>Heinrich: 4 Core, 4 Frontier
>Soluton: 2 Core, 3 Frontier
>Rausch: 3 Frontier
>Schafer: 1 Core
>Lochstrum: 1 Core
>Junger: 3 Frontier
>ERC: 2 Frontier
>Martial Houses: 3 Frontier
>Minor Houses: 3 Frontier
>De Croize: 2 Cores, 4 Frontier
>House Ustong: 2 Frontier

>>5915404
I think a more realistic solution is to give us more Core and Frontier worlds in this peace distribution >>5915062 already has a few spare Frontiers in his vote.
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>>5915436
I don't think we can take any planets from De Croize unless im misunderstanding and your giving them planets in which case I refuse to vote for that.
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>>5915445
I thought we were voting for how many planets they keep, not how many we give them.
In that case I'll change my vote once more, I don't want to give them anything else either.

>>5915037
>>5915436
Changing my vote again to
>Crown Corp: 1 Frontier
>Imperial Navy: 1 Frontier
>Heinrich: 4 Core, 5 Frontier
>Soluton: 2 Core, 3 Frontier
>Rausch: 3 Frontier
>Schafer: 1 Core
>Lochstrum: 1 Core
>Junger: 3 Frontier
>ERC: 2 Frontier
>Martial Houses: 3 Frontier
>Minor Houses: 3 Frontier
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>>5915449
Sure ill change my +1 to this I figured we were just distributing the planets from the losers except for De Croize who we can't take any planets from cause we showed them mercy atleast that's what QM said.

>>5915037
>However, as House De Croize was shown mercy, their planets must remain their own
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>>5915037
>>5915449
+1
Sounds sensible. Giving Ustong and De Croize more than they had before in the peace deal is insane.
Basically this is to keep De Croize intact (without giving them more, they should be happy we a aren't taking much from them), and maybe leave a Frontier planet to our daughter this is fine by me.

>>5915062
>I removed De Croize from the count and 2 frontier worlds for our daughter Aurelia.
What do you mean? Isn't this vote about distributing the planets we can give away? I don't want to give the Ustongs or De Croizes more than they had before the war.
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>>5915472
It means that I took them out of the distribution list for simplicities sake. It means that De Croize, as decreed by Qm and the mercy ruling won’t have their planets taken and Aurelia will have her mandatory planets. The planets that were distributed were all the ones available to do so.
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>>5915449
Just to be clear this vote doesn't support giving either the Ustong or De Croize Houses more than they had before the war.

>>5915454
Good catch. It was late at night for me and I probably wasn't fully awake at the time.

>>5915472
I'm mostly voting for that, yes. I didn't think this was about giving the De Croize House more than they had, but better to be safe than sorry.
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Got bored and wanted to write something, so I wrote a inaccurate account of the civil war from the perspective of the Mukvir. May not actually be good since I wrote this on a whim.
>Excerpt from vellum 2,965 of the 3,000-page manuscript “Codex Galaxias Historia” by Court
Historian Dirtweed the 80th
“…and so, our majesty saved both sides, without a single life being forfeited.

It shall now be mentioned that as Plantgrass the 175th (whose patronage Historian Dirtweed the
80th cannot thank enough) was sorting the aforementioned conflict, a political crisis was
happening in the Kingdom of Man. As this document not only chronicles the history of our great
Kingdom, but the grand lore of the entire Cosmos itself, Historian Dirtweed the 80th sees fit to
write the event down for the posterity of others. Thus, does Dirtweed the 80th give credit to
Merchant Seedspreader the 69th, who is the source of the following information.

As it is already known, the species known as Mankind practice a form of governance that is
similar to ours yet is also a derivative corruption of it. The Court of Warriors, which leads over the
other Courts, is headed by a person known as the Head of all Courts, who is a genetic
continuation of the one who overthrew and personally executed the entirety of the Court of
Decadence. The Courts under the Court of Warriors are quite devoted to their liege, for they too
share their thirst for war. There were some exceptions, however, namely three. First was the
Court of Landholders, who controlled many planets and were the wealthiest of all others.
Second was the Court of Plantkillers, so named for crimes they committed against our cousins,
of which Historian Dirtweed the 80th is unable to describe, for such atrocities are so heinous
that they cannot be put into writing. The third was the Court of Fishkillers, known for their
passionate hatred towards the Talking Fish species, a race of which the current Head of all
Courts is particularly fond of, even taking one for a Breeder after besting them in a game. All
three of them would form a rebellious Triumvirate made solely to destroy the Court of Warriors,
conspiring to commence a surprise revolt during a planned council meeting that would be held
in celebration of the Head of all Courts’s recent conquest of a local fiefdom.
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>>5915495
Yet for reasons that are beyond the mind of Seedspreader the 69th, the Head of the Court of
Warriors knew that such treachery was going to happen, and, as befitting of their martial
background, prepared his greatest bodyguards to make a surprise ambush on the rebellious
members of the Kingdom of Man. And so, when the meeting was being held and the Triumvirate
launched their attack, the bodyguards commenced their own, much to the surprise (and dismay)
of the traitorous Courts. A long battle was fought which ultimately resulted in victory for the
Court of Warriors and their allies, suffering no known casualties at all, while the leaders of the
Triumvirate suffered greatly for their hubris. The Court of Landholders was
made extinct, for all their members were killed in the battle, so the Head of all Courts
confiscated their assets for the benefit of the Court of Warriors. Those of the despicable Court of
Plantkillers were shown mercy, as all the bad actors were deceased, and those that remained
fought for the Head of all Courts, a sentence that Historian Dirtweed the 80th believes is
laughably light considering the unforgivable crimes they’ve committed. For the Court of
Fishkillers, most of them wisely chose to flee when the first signs of their defeat became
apparent, escaping the realm of the Kingdom of Man on their ships and adopting a life of piracy,
renaming themselves the Court of Outlaws to suit their new way of life. With this victory, the
Head of all Courts solidified his firm grip on power and destroyed whatever opposition there was
towards it. This is where Seedspreader the 69th’s account ends, for they know nothing else
after this.

Now going back to our realm, in the year…”
>Names have been translated for the sake of convenience.
Apologies for the shitty formatting, not used to posting large amounts of text on 4chan.
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>>5915495
>Merchant Seedspreader the 69th
>Not having a "Weedsmoke the 420th"
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>>5915495
>>5915506
I am taking this as official cannon
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>>5915037
>Unless, of course, you have an immense and loyal armada to fall back on, which, come to think of it, you do. The significance of your victory in this civil war sinks in. Without the meddling Tripartite, House Heinrich faces no major domestic opposition. After decades of intrigue, the Eternal Empire is finally yours and you reign uncontested!

>The second civil war was fought within a century of the first and won no less handily. It may be senility weighing down on your psyche, but you’re confident that you could win a third. Perhaps you could win the war and lose the peace. Perhaps a lesser lineage would. House Heinrich has not failed its ambitions yet.
Confirmation we can do whatever we want. I am super hyped for those reforms
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>>5915445
That's correct. Because you chose to show De Croize mercy, they'll keep their planets.

>>5915449
The De Croize were included in the Tripartite planets as part of the list, but are functionally loyal. Because you are Emperor and your authority is, in theory, absolute, you could give planets to De Croize or Ustong but that would confuse your allies at best.

>>5915416
Your allies, for the most part, want as many worlds as they can get. House Nightshayd doesn't care as much about planets as they do liquid assets but they do appreciate them. They are quite content with their current holdings.

>>5915495
>>5915506
That's hilarious, I'll hold it as canon.
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>>5915518
Just as a question, is your vote here >>5915062 supporting letting Ustong have one or two Frontier planets?

>>5915544
Thanks QM, this helps.
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>>5915575
We have to have a minimum of one but I gave an extra for generosity (and because it’s our daughter).
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>>5915584
That's fair, thanks mate.
Anyway I'm surprised you didn't vote to give any planets to the ERC, I thought you were part of the Knightly Chads. But if there's a specific reason why you think it isn't a good to give the ERC any planets (while still turning them into a Knightly Order like the Teutonic Order or Livonian Order) I'm willing to listen.
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>>5915602
I think they can have chapters and castles and stuff but not entire planets.

They should focus on their jobs as chivalrous rangers rather than being occupied with governing the plebs.
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>>5915049
>>5915062
>>5915103
>>5915177
>>5915194
>>5915196
>>5915201
>>5915222
>>5915285
>>5915364
>>5915449
>>5915454
>>5915472
You consider that your choices here will influence the Empire for generations. The balance of power must be tilted in your favour, for the sake of your house, but those who fought for your cause cannot be neglected. Let it be known that House Heinrich is generous to those who are loyal to the throne.

House Heinrich receives two core worlds, the Rothsford throne of El-Yaniv and the Amasoft core of Yuattle, and six frontier worlds, taken from the former Rothsford territories.

House Soluton receives two core worlds, the remainder of Rothsford’s urban holdings, and six frontier worlds to diversify their economy, a fitting reward for such sacrifices as theirs.

House Rausch receives three frontier worlds, in recognition of their continued service.

House Phillip receives three frontier worlds, in recognition of their willingness to fight for the throne.

House Schafer receives one core world, taken from Ustong, and one frontier world, in recognition of their admiral’s dutiful competence during the conflict.

House Lochstrum receives one core world, the Ustong throne of Ouferet, but no more in admonishment for their breaking of discipline.

House Talcaster receives one frontier world, a windy rock well-suited to farming electricity.

House Junger receives three frontier worlds, in recognition of their general’s martial excellence on the field of battle.

House Aboze receives one frontier world, worthy of their contribution against the false Emperor.

The loyal Minor Houses receive three frontier worlds, all that remains of the territories to be granted.

House Ustong is stripped of its traditional territories and left two frontier worlds, both war-ravaged wastelands, recently granted. That they have two planets at all is a show of mercy they did not expect.

You consider granting the Imperial Navy, Crown Corp, and ERC planets for their enrichment, but opt against it. There will be more planets seized in the Empire’s future. For now, the loyal elements of the nobility must be entrenched.
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>>5915602
basically what >>5915608 said.
Giving them a planet would both upset the nobility because they are one of the few government agencies who will openly fuck them over but also giving them planets will empower them way too much. However, allowing them castles/outposts on planets would be a good middle ground by giving them a base of operations while also not giving them too much power. Also, ERC chapters sound great and make me want to create even more knightly orders in general.
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>>5915617
For the formal record:

>The Eternal Empire: 110 worlds, 3 jewels, 44 core, 63 frontier
>House Heinrich: 16 worlds, 3 jewels, 7 core, 6 frontier
>House Soluton: 16 worlds, 10 core, 6 frontier
>House Arthen: 8 worlds, 6 core, 2 frontier
>House De Croize: 10 worlds, 4 core, 6 frontier
>House Nightshayd: 3 worlds, 2 core, 1 frontier
>House Rausch: 10 worlds, 1 core, 9 frontier
>House Phillip: 6 worlds, 3 core, 3 frontier
>House Schafer: 7 worlds, 3 core, 4 frontier
>House Lochstrum: 6 worlds, 3 core, 3 frontier
>House Talcaster: 6 worlds, 1 core, 5 frontier
>House Junger: 6 worlds, 6 frontier
>House Aboze: 4 worlds, 4 frontier
>House Ustong: 2 worlds, 2 frontier
>Minor Houses: 14 worlds, 2 core, 12 frontier
>Amasoft Corp: 1 world, 1 core
>Hookware Corp: 1 world, 1 core
>Cherry Corp: 1 world, 1 core
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>>5915620
The proceedings have concluded. You have made your decrees, punished dissidents, and rewarded loyalists. There is nothing more to say.

In the days to come, House Heinrich will be known as a strict but merciful house, which treats those who’ve surrendered well and considers the lowly masses in its dealings.

Finally, the civil war is over and the many, many questions of who gets what in the aftermath have been answered!

You return to the normal administration of the Empire.

You find that The Ledger is looking quite fine, if you do say so yourself. In particular, House Heinrich is stronger than ever before!

>The Empire:
>Territory: 7
>Economy: 6
>Military: 6
>Happiness: 5
>Population: 7

>House Heinrich:
>3 jewel worlds, 7 core worlds, 6 frontier worlds
>2 Retinue Fleets
>Crown Corp

Your trusted advisor Igor is ecstatic.

“The second civil war has been won, your majesty, and the Empire is on a fast track to win the peace! The Order of Erudition’s education programs, the removal of the Tripartite, and civic aid have all reassured the population of your intentions, sire. The only difficulties your majesty faces are slight casualties and a downturn in the markets. I’m confident the Empire will thrive under your guidance!”

You sigh. You are getting old, oh so very old. At 80 years of age, you must think of the legacy you’re going to leave behind.

Your son, Otto, has still yet to marry. He keeps training and going through the motions, like he isn’t nearly 50 and missing half of his face. The boy is an accomplished war hero, of two different wars! He needs to think of the bloodline, of fatherhood!

>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)
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>>5915622
Besides that, there are those magnificent, macro-scale telescopes he seized from the… what was it? The technobarbarians, yes… Those telescopes. They are glorious beyond compare, of a glimmering artifice completely beyond Mankind’s current comprehension, but their format suggests a human origin, deep in the forgotten past. Now that this civil war is over, you can decide what to do with the things.

What should be done?

>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.
>Sell them on auction to the highest bidder. These things are quite useless except for looking at stars that can already be traveled to, better to get a fortune out of their sale than keep them gathering dust.
>Gift them to one of the noble houses. They are unique across the known cosmos, to the best of the Empire’s knowledge, and any to receive such a treasure would be grateful, though some might appreciate its nuances more than others.
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
>Keep them in the palace basement on Mars. They may yet be useful to the Empire but are too fine to dismantle with any certainty they’ll be useful afterward.

Then, there is of course the Empire. Your life’s work. What you do here is likely to be remembered most of all…

What should you do?

>Deepen relations with the Osgus. Before you exit the galactic stage, you want to bring one species closer to Mankind. The ISL has covered much of the groundwork and you have an accord with their Slurm.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Push for the reconstruction of damaged stars. The civil war ended relatively quickly compared to most but the Empire wasn’t unscathed. These systems are already piecing themselves back together, though as Emperor, you could speed the process along.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
>Restructure the ERC. Your mother Anna gave license to this organization and you guided it into something wonderful, before they martyred themselves for your sake. A gap of personnel remains, ripe to be remade as you see fit.
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>>5915622
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
I fear that if he delays any further, he won't be able to see his children grow up. Get him a fertile Arthen debutante and get to it!

>>5915625
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
But don't take it apart just yet.

>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
>Restructure the ERC. Your mother Anna gave license to this organization and you guided it into something wonderful, before they martyred themselves for your sake. A gap of personnel remains, ripe to be remade as you see fit.
Can we do both of these? If not, just do the former. We need to implement centralization in this transitionary period.
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>>5915608
>>5915618
Alright that's fair enough.
But I still think having a Space Knightly Chapter sounds badass. If nobles can have entire planets then why not them?

>>5915622
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)

>>5915625
>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.

>Push for the reconstruction of damaged stars. The civil war ended relatively quickly compared to most but the Empire wasn’t unscathed. These systems are already piecing themselves back together, though as Emperor, you could speed the process along.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
I think we can realistically do both of these. I'm hoping we can make a more in-dept decision regarding a constitution and possible Noble Privy Council, I have some ideas bouncing around for it and people have been good at brainstorming.
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>>5915622
>That ledger
>Lowest stat is above average
>Economy is fixed and can now afford wings for the table
>We had a net gain of fleets
>Happiness improved from before the war
>All dissident elements in the Empire are now gone
>House Heinrich is firmly entrenched as the Emperors of all mankind
Tripartite sympathizers are on execution watch.
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
BREED NOW

>>5915625
>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
Take one or two to do so and the rest can be put on display

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
These two things are a MUST for Albin as only Albin can start new diplomacy and with the newfound clout of winning the civil war can be used to push all our reforms,

Speaking of which, other than the Landsraad and the creation of new ministries/bureaus what are all the reforms we want pushed? Best to get them together now.
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>>5915625
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
He really needs to, there's no sense in not telling him to find a wife.

>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.
Should put them to use.

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
The others (besides Osgus) are able to be done by a successor. This must be done by us.
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>>5915622
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)
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>>5915625
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
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>>5915625
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak!
Enough gallivanting around, boy.
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
But wait on this until we get a proper research department up and going. We might learn something we can make practical and permanent use of rather than wasting them as a noble plaything.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
I obviously want to do all of these, but I think these are the most important since they have to be done basically now.
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>>5915631
>>5915633
Reforms are extremely time-consuming, as you have to get through mountains of paperwork, myriad drafts and revisions, and countless functionaries who each need to be told what you're trying to achieve so that they can then relay it to the nobility and then to the masses. That said, reforms are dramatically easier for a top-down autocracy like the Empire than a bottom-up democracy, which is why it can be done in a five year period instead of over the course of an entire career. Albin can attempt to do multiple tasks at once, but the workload will be immense and may shorten his lifespan, though that's a moot point if more's being done in less time.
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>>5915625
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
Go Go Go
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
Technology time
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
These two take priority
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>>5915653
>Albin can attempt to do multiple tasks at once, but the workload will be immense and may shorten his lifespan
I don't think Albin would really care about that so long as his work builds upon his and his house's legacy.
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>>5915622
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
Have sex and reproduce.

>>5915625
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
Don't we have a particularly tech-savvy daughter?

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
If not us, then who?
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>>5915622
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)
>Gift them to one of the noble houses. They are unique across the known cosmos, to the best of the Empire’s knowledge, and any to receive such a treasure would be grateful, though some might appreciate its nuances more than others.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
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Also thank god the leCroise only unleashed a nanoplague and not something like an AGI.
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>>5915653
Alright thank you QM.

>>5915625
>>5915633
Changing the last part of my vote to only be:
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
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>>5915625
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)
>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
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>>5915662
What would Albins title be after Otto takes control?
If he successfully implemented all the reforms here and established diplomacy with the Mukvir it would be a good case for him to be called the great since under him the Empire doubled in size and Heinrich rule was secured.
>>5915664
She is in De Croize space being a nerd, so yes we should definitely bring her back to deal with this
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>>5915664
>Don't we have a particularly tech-savvy daughter?
Now that you mention it, her and her husband ARE eccentric geniuses so we could get it done well if they take an interest in the project.

>>5915673
Maybe Albin the Magnificent? What about Alphonse for that matter? Alphonse the Founder?
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>>5915675
Astronomican was his nickname because of his skills as an admiral
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>>5915653
Sorry if this has been asked before QM, but how are the votes counted? Is it by how many vote for a certain thing, or is the combination of the vote more important?
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>>5915622
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)

>>5915625
>Gift them to one of the noble houses. They are unique across the known cosmos, to the best of the Empire’s knowledge, and any to receive such a treasure would be grateful, though some might appreciate its nuances more than others.

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
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>>5915622

>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)

Otto, time to get to business!

>>5915625

>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.

Hopefully they don’t destroy them outright…

>Push for the reconstruction of damaged stars. The civil war ended relatively quickly compared to most but the Empire wasn’t unscathed. These systems are already piecing themselves back together, though as Emperor, you could speed the process along.

Investing in the economy is practically never a bad plan
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>>5915692
No need to be sorry, hahaha. How I handle it is I take every vote and in the case that there are multiple votes for separate but compatible options, I look at how many votes are for one option and how many are for two. If there are more for one, it goes to the highest option voted for, even if some of them are part of mixed votes. If there are more for two, it goes to the highest combination there, by the same logic. I try to incorporate every vote into the fluff for any given update. If the votes are nearly unanimous, it's an immediate decision, whereas if it's nearly a tie, it was a difficult choice. That sort of thing.
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>>5915625
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
Albin really wants those grandkids.
>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.
A Heinrich found it, so it is ours
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
It’s now or never
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>>5915704
Thank you for the clarity QM!
The reason why I ask is because I really want the reforms and am willing to compromise by putting in talking to the Mukvir if it meant that the reforms would happen too. Since (if I'm understanding this correctly) it'll help with the vote in favor of the reforms.
Basically in other words I'm thinking of adding breaking the ice with the Mukvir alongside the political reforms in my vote if it means we get reforms, especially since things seem to be very close vote wise.
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>>5915625
>>5915633
>>5915671
Alright I'll change my vote for hopefully the last time this update and vote for both:
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
Because these reforms are important.
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>>5915625
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
We cannot have a succession crisis. Also grandkids will be cool to have.
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
Let our eccentric genius daughter and her husband have a go at it.
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
We really should do these reforms now that it's after the civil war. It won't have the same clout if we wait too long after the victory and emotions become more tempered. Strike while the iron is hot, we don't want any reforms we make be overturned or ignored afterwards just because it's in an era that came after the civil war.
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>>5915716
Changing my to
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
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>>5915622
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)

>>5915625
>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Push for the reconstruction of damaged stars. The civil war ended relatively quickly compared to most but the Empire wasn’t unscathed. These systems are already piecing themselves back together, though as Emperor, you could speed the process along.
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>>5915704
I'll change mine >>5915631 as well if it means reforms go through. Like Anon said, these are time sensitive.
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>>5915625
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)

>Put them into a wide orbit around Mars. Their splendour should enhance the prestige of House Heinrich, among those who care about such things as astronomy.

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
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>>5915741
we really should make a list of the reforms. At the top of my head we have
>Landsraad
>More Bureaus
>Economic Reforms
The most important would probably be the economic reforms as >>5914132
illustrates its pretty archaic
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>>5915757
Economy is fine. Landsraad and more bureaus are a good idea. We should implement a limit on the military forces of others and give the planetary governors real power in the planets of the corporations and nobility.
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Why are anons opting to just put the telescopes around Mars to collect space dust?
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>>5915622
>>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich
Grandchildren! Now!
>>5915625
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
Good opportunity to kickstart an Imperial Research Center
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Push for the reconstruction of damaged stars. The civil war ended relatively quickly compared to most but the Empire wasn’t unscathed. These systems are already piecing themselves back together, though as Emperor, you could speed the process along.
If we don't initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir now we'll lose the chance forever. And we won't get a chance as good for reforms for decades.

>>5915757
That's it imo, and I'd put the economic reforms as the least important. The economy is archaic but functional and that's more that can be said for the other institutions we want. Albin just needs to get the ball rolling, the next Heinrich Emperors can slowly continue on the path to centralization without alarming the nobility too much.
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>>5915762
I don't think the army limit will be good right now considering we gave a bunch of Fleets to ourselves and Soluton. As for granting governors power, I guess we could fold that into general centralization.
>>5915764
I think it means we would just be using them instead of figuring out to how recreate them, Mechanicus tier
>>5915769
That is true but if there is any time to put in reforms it is now.
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>>5915769
I fucked up with the copy paste, I meant my vote to be
>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
>>5915770
I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't called me out
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>>5915770
>I don't think the army limit will be good right now considering we gave a bunch of Fleets to ourselves and Soluton.
That's exactly why it's the best time, our forces grew and our enemies' shrunk.
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>>5915779
>our enemies
We have no enemies anon. We just defeated them.
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>>5915762
These are good but we should probably have laws in favor of protecting commoners from being harassed by nobility and corporations. Also codifying environmental rights, and something that will stress loyalty to the Empire.

>>5915764
How about this.
I'll add reverse engineering to my vote if you add the reforms to yours.

>>5915779
The only worry I have is that House Soluton has more Core worlds than we do, and the same amount of total planets as well.
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>>5915783
>House Soluton has more Core worlds than we do
We have 3 Jewels and they have none. We're fine.
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>>5915783
We don't need to do commoner rights currently as they are already well protected from noble abuse. Although we have the same amount of worlds as Soluton, 3 of those are jewels which are worth 3 cores on average, plus the shipyards of Mars, Plutul and Uvarth
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>>5915781
Even better then no?

>>5915783
>These are good but we should probably have laws in favor of protecting commoners from being harassed by nobility and corporations
Pretty sure they have those in the books already. If there's a problem, it's gonna be a problem of enforcement which can be used as PR for the masses to back our centralization reforms. Use Rothsford (It was Rothsford wasn't it?) hedonistic governance as an example.
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>>5915622
>Let Otto continue his petty chivalry. There’s no sense in forcing the issue. After all, both his father and his father’s father only got married at the start of their reign. Of course, they were around half the age at the time. (Otto will keep the previous tradition of getting married at the start of his reign)

>>5915625
>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying.
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective.
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>>5915785
That's fair, but looking at the fact both Heinrich and Soluton have the same amount of planets feels off. It wouldn't take much for them to overtake us, especially if they focus on investing on their Core worlds.

>>5915791
>>5915793
Well I'm mostly thinking back to pastebin story about that farmer from the Federation that got conscripted to work in the trenches (but was probably killed before then) because he wasn't being productive enough. Then again this is a specific story about a Federation diehard loyalist.
I'm mostly wanting to codify these 'commoner rights' laws, as well as some of the Emperor's perspective and influence in the matter.
But yeah you guys are probably right in that we already have good commoner's rights.
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>>5915831
Like I said, enforcement issue. We have all these laws in the books but QM said that the Nobles and I think the Corps as well operate with a great deal of legal autonomy.
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>>5915791
>as they are already well protected from noble abuse
What happened to that Uvarth potato farmer says otherwise
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>>5915861
We can end that by increasing power of the Goveneors
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>>5915861
In that case you're right, we do need some more centralization reforms.
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>>5915863
he got conscripted and thats different
>>5915864
The creation of more Bureaus should hopefully fill out every niche that we need, which should include enforcement on taxation and business practices.
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>>5915625
>Tell Otto to find himself a wife. This has been too long in the coming. The boy will search and he will, by the authority of the throne, get you grandchildren before you croak! (Otto will get married (You’ll have the choice of to who) and start the next generation of House Heinrich)
As Shinzo Abe said: BREED NOW!

>Attempt to deconstruct and reverse-engineer them. The Empire’s finest scholars and artisans will work together to try and determine the construction of the lenses and alloys.
Science.

>Initiate diplomacy with the Mukvir. Very, very few humans match your knowledge of their kind, and none surpass you. They are so alien, it’s questionable that most others would even think of parleying
>Implement new reforms. In the aftermath of the civil war, House Heinrich is in a position of strength and none can contest its might. Your son could do this, you suppose, but he would lack the same perspective
Alien stuff (Otto would rather eat plasma against his cock than talk to some plants.) and some minor reforms (landsraad light maybe?)
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>>5915888
+1 Can't wait for us to roll a nat 1 and destroy priceless artifacts for no reason.
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>>5915999
Stop anon the bo1 system already gives me anxiety.
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>>5915631
>>5915633
>>5915639
>>5915642
>>5915643
>>5915645
>>5915647
>>5915660
>>5915664
>>5915668
>>5915672
>>5915696
>>5915700
>>5915716
>>5915723
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>>5915733
>>5915740
>>5915741
>>5915754
>>5915769
>>5915774
>>5915803
>>5915888
>>5915999
It is a breach of tradition, but it is a recent tradition, and tradition is nothing if it isn't for the sake of those holding it. Your father Alphonse may have felt differently, but you are not your father. You are Albin, friend to aliens and caretaker of the wild places, no headstrong warrior to double-down on things because your ancestors did them that way.

You tell Otto to find himself a wife and will not take no for an answer. There are a number of eligible noblewomen available. All of them of a fine pedigree, with extensive aristocratic connections, but only one can be chosen. Otto thinks carefully. After all, the future of the dynasty depends on this.

Who should become the future Empress?

>Beatrice Soluton: A distant cousin whose offspring wouldn't be at risk of inbreeding, closely related to Jackson Soluton, as a matter of fact. While the red-haired girl is beautiful and in excellent health, she suffers from the same anxieties as Anna did, if not worse. Even speaking to an imperial dignitary has her a nervous wreck, but she may get over this in time. It's likely that wedding her would deepen relations with House Soluton even further. She's frightened by Otto's past and scars, but eager to marry into the imperial household.
"This is... I wrote a little sp-...speech but I don't... ha-have the words."

>Eloise Arthen: The great-granddaughter of Lughan himself, she is the archetypal daughter of House Arthen. Red-haired, freckled, and athletic, at the limit of her physical potential. She is a gifted duelist in the upper tenth percentile of reaction speed and a gifted pilot, though her talents weren't pushed to their limits. Outside of combat, she keeps up polite appearances but has fought and slain commoners slated for execution, twice, at her request and confessed a dishonourable thrill. The girl was close to Lughan and distrusts House Heinrich as a whole, but has a grudging respect for Otto. She doesn't feel strongly about marriage, by her reckoning, it'll either happen or it won't.
"I've seen your career. We can forgo the ceremonial duel."
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>>5916054
>Clementine Talcaster: The daughter of a lesser offshoot of House Taclaster, this thickset brunette normally wouldn't be considered, but is no normal woman. In the course of her twenty-two years, she's skilfully outmanuevered the rest of her line to seize almost a third of its wealth in credits and gain a number of profitable contracts across the merchants of the Empire. A Nightshayd spy tasked to trail her was found dead by poisoning weeks later. The very image of a demure noblewoman, but by no means to be underestimated. She's certain she won't be chosen but has high hopes and pines after, in her words, "brutish" types.
"I know my roots aren't much, but I've drafted plans to turn the Heinrich fortune into a sizeable chunk of the economy. I'd love a chance to enact them... and to get to know you better."

>Irina Junger: The granddaughter of none other than Yannick, black-haired and quite wiry. Known to spend the supermajority of her time in difficult deep-immersion holo-simulators and watching combat footage, she has a passion for warfare but was kept from the Astronomicon Academy for the sake of her future marriageability. She's wild-eyed and erratic, and in the past, has been known to run away from home so that she can stage violent mock ambushes on the servants searching for her. She's obsessed with Otto and ecstatic to even be considered, and has made no attempt to hide the fact.
"Ohh, there's better picks for politics, but you know you'd have the most fun with me."

>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.
"The entire war was meaningless. I hope it doesn't change things."
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>>5916057
Meanwhile, back in the court...

These macro-scale telescopes are simply too magnificent to leave them untampered! At the same time, they are too valuable to risk their loss or simply leave them in the palace basement. Your compromise is to let the imperial scholars have a crack at discovering what there is to know without actually taking them apart. Then, when they have their findings, it will go into orbit.

You think that Lydia and her husband... what his name? Edgar, that's right, Edgar might like to take a look at the thing. Your inquiry receives a holo-tape in response, the first you've heard your daughter's voice in years, and an incredibly rude way to reply to an imperial message. She sounds like she's in a hurry.

"I'm sorry father, but I have to refuse. Me, Eddy, and the kids are getting close. We can't step away from our... project for even a moment. It will all make sense soon. Bye-bye, love you."

That is... deeply concerning. You push this mysteriousness from your thoughts and return to your duties.

There are many, many things you wish to do, and very, very little time left to do them. The only rational course of action is to do more in less time. First is the Mukvir Kingdom, which is rather a misnomer in your opinion, as they lack a true King and dynasties such as Mankind understands them. None other in the imperial court have any interest in reestablishing relations, thus, the burden falls on your shoulders.
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>>5916060
You recall the early years, the initial steps taken toward the Osgus. The two species couldn't be more divergent but they are both of an alien psychology and societal structure. The principles that let you bridge the abyss between Man and Osgus are no less applicable here. They simply need to be applied differently. Unlike the Osgus apparatus of state, the Mukvir Courts are quite civilized, if strange, and you need not fear for the lives of your emissaries. You simply need to determine how would be best to contact them.

Drawing on your deep knowledge of the Mukvir species, you devise several possible strategies.

How should you approach this?

>Offer them a military alliance. The Mukvir are territorial to the extreme and paranoid of outsiders. They're doubtless aware that the Empire's fleets are extensive and may feel safer under their protection. They're also incredibly well-defended, so much so, such an offer could be taken as implying they're weak and drive them into mukva.
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
>Send their Grand Bloom a gift. It's said that the best among Guild Artem are to masters of the craft what masters are to laymen. You'll commission something strange, a piece of odd proportions that you believe the Mukvir's alien mind would appreciate. This is a gamble, to say the least, but it could pay off.
>Propose a culinary visitation. The Mukvir have minimal culture surrounding food preparation and an almost absent sense of taste, but you're confident that a sufficiently spice-laden, sugar-dense atrocity enflaming the sense of smell as much as taste could get through to them. The reaction to this would certainly be enlightening.
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>>5916062
Second is the matter of reforms, which are less important to you but critical to the Empire. As the territorial scale and cultural inertia of the Empire are immense, you must focus your efforts if you want to ensure results take root. Some controversy is inevitable, but making changes on the cusp of the transition between war and peace is when they'll go the smoothest. If nothing else, your successor or his successor can follow up on the decisions you make here.

What area of reforms do you want to focus on?

>Martial. You want to bring reforms to those responsible for violence, such as the military, house retinues, and mercenaries.
>Commerce. You want to bring reforms to the conducting of trade throughout the Empire or the various companies responsible.
>Bureaucracy. You want to bring reforms to the way the Empire is run, by founding a new ministry or expanding the powers of another.
>Legal. You want to bring reforms to the judgement and punishment of crime or the enforcement of imperial decree.
>Nobility. You want to bring reforms to the noble houses, the relations between them or the authorities they have.
>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.
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In regards to centralization, the only common hard idea I have seen bandied about is to have a cap of military production/mercenerary hiring.
Did anyone else have any other ideas?
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>>5916057
>>5916054
Let Otto choose
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>>5916062
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
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>>5916063
>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.
Go big or go home
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>>5916065
Also is this the time for me to post the Constitution suggestions?
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>>5916066
Otto is the one choosing, with (You) voting as he's your current heir. Because he isn't the current Emperor, the vote wasn't presented from his perspective but he is (You), or will be once Albin abdicates.
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>>5916075
This is an excellent time to post constitution suggestions.
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>>5916062
>>Propose a culinary visitation. The Mukvir have minimal culture surrounding food preparation and an almost absent sense of taste, but you're confident that a sufficiently spice-laden, sugar-dense atrocity enflaming the sense of smell as much as taste could get through to them. The reaction to this would certainly be enlightening.
Food is always the answer
>Commerce. You want to bring reforms to the conducting of trade throughout the Empire or the various companies responsible.

>let our son choose his wife
If not sure, and lets us choose for him let us vote on it again.
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>>5916063
>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.
I know we wanted Otto to have a martially inclined wife earlier, but he took a really long time to get around to it and now he's older and I think his fighting days are mostly behind him. Of course it would be nice if his wife appreciated combat, but I think it's far from necessary. Jeanne presents a lot of potential we can use to greatly improve the bloodline and setup better future emperors. Someone like Eloise or Irina look like a good match on the surface, but their genetics aren't much to speak for (especially Irina's), though I suppose Eloise would be nice to build a line of gigachads like Otto. I think we can still get a similar result with Jeanne anyways if that's what we want. Beatrice would be ok safe pick to deepen relations with Soluton, but I think that's really unnecessary.

>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
Tempted by the culinary visitation but it seems too much of a gamble when they just don't care about taste at all. The other two are definitely overt gambles I don't want to take.

I don't even know what we'd want to reform. Constitutions tend to place limits on the government, and given we just accrued a shit ton of power by ruining our political opposition, I don't see why we'd want to make one of those. That seems like the kind of thing we would do to appease powerful political opponents.
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>>5916093
Support
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>>5916101
Btw I’m >>5916049 since my computer literally cannot access this thread anymore
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>>5916063
>Irina Junger: The granddaughter of none other than Yannick, black-haired and quite wiry. Known to spend the supermajority of her time in difficult deep-immersion holo-simulators and watching combat footage, she has a passion for warfare but was kept from the Astronomicon Academy for the sake of her future marriageability. She's wild-eyed and erratic, and in the past, has been known to run away from home so that she can stage violent mock ambushes on the servants searching for her. She's obsessed with Otto and ecstatic to even be considered, and has made no attempt to hide the fact.
Warfare is fun.

>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
Trade tends to smooth things between people.

>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.
If you don't mind I have some ideas for this, I'll make another post for it.
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>>5916104
Several seems like a bad idea. We are already splitting our attention between two actions this turn and then for reforms you want to split again to do multiple things? Why would we expect to get anything substantial accomplished?
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>>5916079
>Ask Otto who he wants to marry
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>>5916054
>Beatrice Soluton: A distant cousin whose offspring wouldn't be at risk of inbreeding, closely related to Jackson Soluton, as a matter of fact. While the red-haired girl is beautiful and in excellent health, she suffers from the same anxieties as Anna did, if not worse. Even speaking to an imperial dignitary has her a nervous wreck, but she may get over this in time. It's likely that wedding her would deepen relations with House Soluton even further. She's frightened by Otto's past and scars, but eager to marry into the imperial household.
A lot of great options here actually, maybe some can be carried over for Karl? Either way my vote is on Beatrice because the Solutons will forever be a Heinrich house but I would honestly be fine with Jeanne since both of these are in stark contrast with Otto and I think it would be funny. Only problem with Jeanne is that it may upset some considering they were a rebel house like 30 minutes ago.
>>5916062
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
Money beats all
>>5916063
>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.
The Landsraad, Bureaucracy and Economic reforms must be done.
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>>5916057
I'm fine with either
>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.
or
>Clementine Talcaster: The daughter of a lesser offshoot of House Taclaster, this thickset brunette normally wouldn't be considered, but is no normal woman. In the course of her twenty-two years, she's skilfully outmanuevered the rest of her line to seize almost a third of its wealth in credits and gain a number of profitable contracts across the merchants of the Empire. A Nightshayd spy tasked to trail her was found dead by poisoning weeks later. The very image of a demure noblewoman, but by no means to be underestimated. She's certain she won't be chosen but has high hopes and pines after, in her words, "brutish" types.
Both offer us some potentially pretty great long term benefits with Clementine potentially improving our overall economy greatly while Jeanne will improve our overall genetics and the genetic quality of our children in the long run.

>>5916062
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements.
Been done before so shouldn't be too hard to get going again.
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>>5916054
QM how old is Karl now and when do we choose to marry him?
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>>5916113
It's ok, Jeanne is one of the good ones (the bad ones are all dead) and the other nobles got rewards anyways.
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>>5916101
>>5916103
Disregard both of these I'm back, unless 4chan decides to give, here is what I was going to vote on:
>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.
She has good genes that will go well with Otto. The pacifism thing may be a problem but that will depend on how Otto rule goes.
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
It worked with the alien octopus, why not with alien plant.
>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.
Do the Landsraad, Bureaucracy, and Economic reforms as >>5916113 suggested.
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>>5916063
>>5916104
And here are my ideas, hopefully it's not too terrible:
>IMPERIAL CHARTER AND CONSTITUTION

>"Commoner Rights"
>This will cement the current laws that protect citizens against being abused by the upper class and corporations.
>But more importantly here there will be nods towards the tolerance and respect of alien species.

>"Centralization"
>Create a stronger bureaucracy, tie in the Order of Erudition with it to ensure loyalty.
>Anti-democracy will be emphasized and codified.
>Provincial Governors will be established in the Empire that are loyal to the Emperor first and foremost.

>"Imperial Loyalty"
>A standard for everyone to follow, it will emphasize the need for the entire Empire to stand together and be united. This is mostly in place to stop a situation similar to what happened before the Civil War with noble Houses growing more discontent as time goes on.
>Political partisanship against the Empire will be discouraged. Any faction that is openly against the Empire or that questions the legitimacy of House Heinrich will be banned and censored.
Note how there isn't anything saying there shouldn't be any fighting between nobles.

>"Environmentalism"
>The protection of nature is a core tenet of the social structure within the Empire, now it will be codified to encompass many laws themselves.
>With this Houses and Corporations are not allowed to pollute in mass, like House Ustong had done prior.
>Environmental protections will be more widely extended. The protection towards endangered species will be emphasized.


>NOBLE PRIVY COUNCIL: IMPERIAL LANDSTAAD
>This will be a way for the nobility to bring any complaints they have in an orderly and streamlined fashion.
>Noble rights and hierarchies will be held but not formally codified.
>Representation of both the higher and lower parts of the nobility will be seen to.
>This will be overseen by the Emperor, alongside bureaucrats and a High Coucil (who all also happen to be subject of the Emperor's will, incidentally).

>>5916105
Mostly because opportunities like this won't come often. Usually right after a Civil War there's good time to introduce reforms in large.
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>>5916131
>5 different reforms
Anon your going to fuckin murder Albin then give his corpse a heart attack.
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>>5916110
Otto is the one choosing here.

>>5916116
Karl is 34 years old and recently finished his training in intrigue under House Nightshayd. He's been using his skills to cheat at low-stakes gambling (low-stakes meaning ships and colonies aren't being wagered) while doubly disguised as a Nightshayd operative disguising himself as traveling merchant in various noble houses and Corp boardrooms- the rationale being that he wants to sharpen his manipulative prowess and supposedly get enough that he can live a royal lifestyle on his own, without a stipend.

Karl has been up to this for years now and has gotten quite a series of accounts. Otto is unaware of this and with everything going on, you only have a dim awareness of what sector he's in but Nightshayd keeps close tabs. You could have your boy called back to Mars and married at any time. If you choose not to, it's likely he'll feel he has enough soon. Really, this is the first you've heard of your son's exploits in detail and you aren't certain how to feel about it. By Nightshayd's philosophy, this is a different kind of combat and Clara assures you it's fine, just boys being boys, but any of the nobles in Arthen or Soluton would be affronted by it.
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>>5916131
Provincial Governors just sounds like a way to undermine the nobility and suggesting this will ruin our relationships with our noble allies. I don't see why we would want to do this. If you really really really want them for some reason, I might suggest the Noble Privy Council having veto power for Emperor decisions with unanimous votes. I don't want to ruin the relationships we built up.
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>>5916138
Mhhhh, as long as he is having fun I guess, hopefully he returns soon so we get more relations
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>>5916131
I like the centralization and commoner rights. Environmentalism seems a bit redundant, maybe a lighter version would be better. Instead of imperial loyalty I feel like we should have something that limits the power certain noble houses can have. Landstaat sounds cool.
And we should leave most of these things to bureaucrats we hire in order to manage it, cause this will break Albin if we try to do everything as quickly as possible.
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>>5916127
I'm glad you've been liking the quest. It's a lot of fun to run.
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>>5916138
I for one would like to summon him or at the very least set up a marriage candidate. I want to avoid marrying 50 year olds to 20 year olds as much as we can help it. Surely it wouldn't be disruptive or prohibitive to at least select a wife, even if we don't snatch him back from his nightshayd shenanigans?
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>>5916131
Albin is going to die from a heart attack. The 3 I listed would already be difficult but commoner rights are already in a fine enough state (we have happiness 5 so it’s ok) and environmentalism is fine we just gotta rebuild the ERC
>>5916149
Don’t know if we should arrange a marriage then have our guy skedaddle across imperial space as they have been
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>>5916149
It would not, but he's likely to take anyone he does marry with him on his exploits. Much like you did with Clara and would have kept doing in the wilderness if you weren't Emperor, for that matter. Albin is glad he was born in line to be Emperor but idealizes closeness to nature, of which there isn't much at (and legally-speaking, as) the beating heart of imperial politics. Otto would've been married sooner but was campaigning against the Federation of Uvarth and then went adventuring in forgotten space. Even if he wasn't the imperial heir, he would've lived a very full life by now.
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>>5916140
That's a fair point. The main reason why I included having governors is because I saw some people talking about it.
Having the Landstaad/Privy Council have a veto power if its unanimous between the nobles could be interesting, I wouldn't be against it. It plays with the idea that nobles can 'technically' go against us, but in practice they'd be more likely to fight against one another.
That combined with governors that are loyal to the Emperor could be very beneficial (but I'll admit I'm not dead set on the idea of province or sector governors).

>>5916143
Yeah most of this is just to get the ball rolling in terms of ideas for what we want. We probably won't have something so strong in the environmental department, but it's mostly just a formality and a 'fuck you' to the memory of the Triparte Entente.
I can see that the current popular reforms are Bureaucracy, Landstaad and Economic (the latter of which is surprising to me, but it makes sense the more I think about it).
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>>5916157
I don't see why that would be an issue. Let's just do it, he's already 34.

>>5916156
Why not?
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>>5916131
>>5916063
Also just to make clarify the "Centralization" is basically the same thing as more reforms to the Bureaucracy.

>>5916137
>>5916156
kek, I mean we won't do everything now obviously. I'm mostly putting this out there for the sake of what we should be doing.
Yeah and that's fair about commoner rights, and yeah the environmental stuff should be made lighter (or at least more manageable for poor Albin lmao).
I'll admit the Imperial Loyalty part might be a bit redundant and can be shelved or given to bureaucrats to handle.
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>>5916160
Bad look
>>5916163
The idea for the Landsraad is a court where nobles can bicker and not resort to shooting each other. Giving them veto rights no matter how implausible should never be on the table
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>>5916063
>Irina Junger: The granddaughter of none other than Yannick, black-haired and quite wiry. Known to spend the supermajority of her time in difficult deep-immersion holo-simulators and watching combat footage, she has a passion for warfare but was kept from the Astronomicon Academy for the sake of her future marriageability. She's wild-eyed and erratic, and in the past, has been known to run away from home so that she can stage violent mock ambushes on the servants searching for her. She's obsessed with Otto and ecstatic to even be considered, and has made no attempt to hide the fact.
Sounds like a good match for Otto. My second pick would be Beateice Soluton, I'd honestly be fine with either.

>Send their Grand Bloom a gift. It's said that the best among Guild Artem are to masters of the craft what masters are to laymen. You'll commission something strange, a piece of odd proportions that you believe the Mukvir's alien mind would appreciate. This is a gamble, to say the least, but it could pay off.

>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.

>Bureaucracy. You want to bring reforms to the way the Empire is run, by founding a new ministry or expanding the powers of another.
>Create a stronger bureaucracy, tie in the Order of Erudition with it to ensure loyalty.
>Anti-democracy will be emphasized and codified.
>Attempt to centralize the government more (in ways that won't kill our reputation with the nobility)

>Economic
>Create a Fair Trade Commission to help competition, free trade within the Empire, and prevent the stagnation of monopolies.
>Ultimately this institution will answer to the government (and therefore be subject to the Emperor).

>Landsraad Privy Council
>This will be a way for the nobility to bring any complaints they have in an orderly and streamlined fashion.
>Noble rights and hierarchies will be held but not formally codified.
>Representation of both the higher and lower parts of the nobility will be seen to.
>This will be overseen by the Emperor, alongside bureaucrats and a High Coucil (who all also happen to be subject of the Emperor's will, incidentally).
Maybe we can create some superficial environmental protections to piss on the Ustongs and the rebellion, but it's not a priority.

Basically the vote of Landsraad, Bureaucracy and Economic reforms but more detailed.

>>5916131
My man it is way too ambitious to do everything on the list here, but there are some parts that I like in that.
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>>5916081
https://rentry.org/qybu5op4
The first draft of the constitutional changes. My notes here

>1
This is based on the Qatar constitution. It legally makes Heinrich the Imperial House and not just another Noble house that took power. Part of this centralization should be that House Heinrich IS the Empire (legally). This also lets the Emperor pick any child as heir, and if there are no kids, any Heinrich. The first clause is so we can make the kid with the best stats the new Emperor, and the second is to avoid uprisings if an Emperor has no kids (which given Otto's age and personality, isn't outlandish if we are unlucky)
>2
This may be seen as extreme but with the Ustong's lead by our daughter, I don't want any of her decedents trying to claim the throne by force. Unless we ban non-heirs from having kids with other houses, there will be a growing number of direct descendants from Alphonse outside the direct line of succession. Under the current system, eventually, there will be someone from some other house with just as strong or stronger bloodline claim to the throne than the legal heir. Making these people Heinrechs makes it more likely for them to be loyal, and if there IS succession tension makes it more likely for it to be hashed out via internal Heinrech politics than external civil wars. (See: Saudi Arabia). A Heinrich taking the throne from another Heinrich shouldn't be that big a deal if it's handled internally, but an Ustong claiming the throne would be a major issue. Especially if they can get other Houses to declare for them.
>3
This limits military power from the houses while letting us use warship permits to buy loyalty. Since it doesn’t force disarmament but only bans new production, it is a “sneaky” way to defang rivals. Over time, the only people with warships will be those we want to have them.
>4
By legally giving the Noble Houses a way to “advise” us we on the surface legitimize the voices of the Noble Houses (while in practice the Landräte have no power aside from what we give them.) Making it staffed by the heirs of the houses gives it some authority and also lets us hold our rival’s heirs as pseudo hostages. By separating the heirs from their planets it weakens their direct control over them and lets our governors fill in the power gap. I suggest having the Landräte be both the heirs AND the heads of houses but others may think it too extreme. We could also invert it by having the heads be on Mars and the heirs stay on their worlds but in practice that might lead to the heirs just taking power early.
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>>5916207
>5
This gives The Noble Houses some power that doesn't threaten us and can even make us stronger. By encouraging and legalizing a platform for the Houses to compete with each other we take the pressure off ourselves and keep any one House from growing too strong because the others will pull it down. Making the emperor “Chief Justice” also lets us control the Houses if we ever need to step in (but in a way that seems like they have power because they are the ones who initiate the debates.)
>6
This lumps in the commoner rights and environmental rights people spoke of. It is also so broadly worded that it can be our “Commerce Clause”: A way to legally justify any action because it “defends the land or the people.”
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>>5916054
De Croize
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>>5916205
>My man it is way too ambitious to do everything on the list here, but there are some parts that I like in that.
Thank you! But the main point of me posting all of that is to give us ideas.

>>5916190
That's true. It does involve many risks to us and our House itself for the sake of a theoretical.
If this were a Space Federation Quest I could see it getting more traction because of internal political maneuvering, but in a Space Empire with a near-feudal nobility it doesn't sound like the best idea to implement.
Would you think that adding governors is a good idea? I want to at least centralize things a bit more around House Heinrich and the Imperial Bureaucracy.

>>5916210
I'll admit I don't know what the best call for a succession is. I'll leave that to the other anons to figure out.
>By encouraging and legalizing a platform for the Houses to compete with each other we take the pressure off ourselves and keep any one House from growing too strong because the others will pull it down.
So a bit like that analogy with the bucket of crabs?
>Making the emperor “Chief Justice” also lets us control the Houses if we ever need to step in (but in a way that seems like they have power because they are the ones who initiate the debates.)
I've seen people talk about and support something like this for Privy Council/Landsraad/Landräte. I don't think it's a bad idea.
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>>5916063
>Propose a culinary visitation.
>Legal.
>Clementine Talcaster
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>>5916227
Crabs in a barrel exactly
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>>5916063
>>5916104
>>5916131
Alright after some consideration I'll change my vote to support these reforms:
>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.

>Bureaucracy. You want to bring reforms to the way the Empire is run, by founding a new ministry or expanding the powers of another.
>Create a stronger bureaucracy, tie in the Order of Erudition with it to ensure loyalty.
>Anti-democracy will be emphasized and codified.
>Attempt to centralize the government more (in ways that won't kill our reputation with the nobility)

>Economic.
>Create a Fair Trade Commission to help competition, encouraging free trade within the Empire, and prevent the stagnation of monopolies.
>Ultimately this institution will answer to the government (and therefore be subject to the Emperor).

>Landsraad Privy Council
>This will be a way for the nobility to bring any complaints they have in an orderly and streamlined fashion.
>Noble rights and hierarchies will be held but not formally codified.
>Representation of both the higher and lower parts of the nobility will be seen to.
>This will be overseen by the Emperor, alongside bureaucrats and a High Coucil (who all also happen to be subject of the Emperor's will, incidentally).
And have any Emperor on the throne be appointed as Chief Justice with executive power.

I'm not against more Environmental reforms, but like the anons have said to me it's not really a priority and we should rebuild the ERC first before we bite into it.

>>5916205
Thank you anon, this was really helpful in streamlining and revising what we should currently do.

>>5916238
Like I said it's not a bad idea.
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>>5916245
I suggest mandating that the Landsraad Privy Council require Heads of Noble Houses and/or their heirs to show up on Mars as representatives.
Just like the Calmecac, it helps us centralize power by giving us physical control over our possible rivals.
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>>5916054
>Eloise Arthen: The great-granddaughter of Lughan himself, she is the archetypal daughter of House Arthen. Red-haired, freckled, and athletic, at the limit of her physical potential. She is a gifted duelist in the upper tenth percentile of reaction speed and a gifted pilot, though her talents weren't pushed to their limits. Outside of combat, she keeps up polite appearances but has fought and slain commoners slated for execution, twice, at her request and confessed a dishonourable thrill. The girl was close to Lughan and distrusts House Heinrich as a whole, but has a grudging respect for Otto. She doesn't feel strongly about marriage, by her reckoning, it'll either happen or it won't.

>Offer them a military alliance. The Mukvir are territorial to the extreme and paranoid of outsiders. They're doubtless aware that the Empire's fleets are extensive and may feel safer under their protection. They're also incredibly well-defended, so much so, such an offer could be taken as implying they're weak and drive them into mukva.
>Martial. You want to bring reforms to those responsible for violence, such as the military, house retinues, and mercenaries.
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>>5916057
>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.
Someone to balance warlikeness. Also genetics
>>5916062
>Propose a culinary visitation. The Mukvir have minimal culture surrounding food preparation and an almost absent sense of taste, but you're confident that a sufficiently spice-laden, sugar-dense atrocity enflaming the sense of smell as much as taste could get through to them. The reaction to this would certainly be enlightening.
Then
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
>>5916063
>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.
Not all of course.
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>>5916057
>Irina Junger: The granddaughter of none other than Yannick, black-haired and quite wiry. Known to spend the supermajority of her time in difficult deep-immersion holo-simulators and watching combat footage, she has a passion for warfare but was kept from the Astronomicon Academy for the sake of her future marriageability. She's wild-eyed and erratic, and in the past, has been known to run away from home so that she can stage violent mock ambushes on the servants searching for her. She's obsessed with Otto and ecstatic to even be considered, and has made no attempt to hide the fact.
Hell yeah

>>5916062
>Propose a culinary visitation. The Mukvir have minimal culture surrounding food preparation and an almost absent sense of taste, but you're confident that a sufficiently spice-laden, sugar-dense atrocity enflaming the sense of smell as much as taste could get through to them. The reaction to this would certainly be enlightening.

>>5916063
>Martial. You want to bring reforms to those responsible for violence, such as the military, house retinues, and mercenaries.
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>>5916054
>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.

Otto’s solder days are behind him - he needs to find new hobbies (maybe hunting), and this girl can help him

>>5916062
>Propose a culinary visitation. The Mukvir have minimal culture surrounding food preparation and an almost absent sense of taste, but you're confident that a sufficiently spice-laden, sugar-dense atrocity enflaming the sense of smell as much as taste could get through to them. The reaction to this would certainly be enlightening.

Take the risk

>>5916063
>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.

Mostly focusing Bureaucracy and Nobility
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>>5916057
>Clementine Talcaster: The daughter of a lesser offshoot of House Taclaster, this thickset brunette normally wouldn't be considered, but is no normal woman. In the course of her twenty-two years, she's skilfully outmanuevered the rest of her line to seize almost a third of its wealth in credits and gain a number of profitable contracts across the merchants of the Empire. A Nightshayd spy tasked to trail her was found dead by poisoning weeks later. The very image of a demure noblewoman, but by no means to be underestimated. She's certain she won't be chosen but has high hopes and pines after, in her words, "brutish" types.

Get a wife eager to do what you don't want to.
>>5916062
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements.
>Send their Grand Bloom a gift: an artistic light installation!

I doubt aliens comprehend how much human leadership changed so a trade pact sounds best to normalize relations.

culinary sounds like a trap option to poison them but I have a good idea about a gift: plants need light to survive much more than humans.
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>>5916057
>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.
I was this close to arguing for an Arthen marriage before I saw her. Balance out what Otto's weaknesses as a ruler are going to be, bring De Croize fully into the fold AND eugenics? Yes please.
>>5916062
>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
>Send their Grand Bloom a gift. It's said that the best among Guild Artem are to masters of the craft what masters are to laymen. You'll commission something strange, a piece of odd proportions that you believe the Mukvir's alien mind would appreciate. This is a gamble, to say the least, but it could pay off.
Start small, like we did with the squids. If Albin had more time I'd say we should wait with the gifts until he has more than theoretical knowledge of the xenos, but we're about to overwork the poor guy to death and Otto will definitely not care enough for gifts.
>>5916063
>Nobility. You want to bring reforms to the noble houses, the relations between them or the authorities they have.
Establishing the Landsraad with the excuse of the rebellion is the only reform that's really time critical. Ministries, governors and economic reforms can all happen later, one at a time, so as not to alarm our allies or have to roll with massive penalties for doing a bunch of things at once.
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>>5916054
>>5916057
>>5916062
>>5916063
>Jeanne De Croize: A cousin of Edgar De Croize and, in the frankest possible terms, a genetic specimen. While the blonde-haired girl isn't far above average, she's in perfect health and has a number of recessive genes which could result in genius offspring, while losing none of their father's physical power. She herself is a peaceful sort who dislikes war and enjoys putting together puzzles. She views this as a chance to prove her house's loyalty and put her in position to mend relations with House Soluton.
A foil to Otto and great genes to our collection!

>Attempt to resume trade arrangements. The Mukvir once had dealings with House Vonduul 1and exchanged a variety of surreal alien goods for examples of human craftsmanship. It's known that they had friendly relations with Vonduul but didn't see fit to send a fleet to crush your father's rebellion. Perhaps you could point to earlier precedent and gain a mutual profit.
Let's get to know them first before doing things like gifts, culinary or otherwise.

>Several! You have visions of sweeping reform and the cannons to push them on the Empire! Too much at once might not stick, but you're confident in House Heinrich's increasing monopoly on force.
I'll use anons list as a reference and add some changes. They don't have to be implemented all at the same time but they are all on the itinerary.

>>5916245
Change anti-democracy into propagation of a Confucian like philosophy. House Heinrich possesses the Mandate of Heaven!

Change the Fair Trade Comission into just "The Commission" an organization with ambiguious objectives and powers that is used as a cudgel against potential enemies. Nightshayd requested the creation of such an organization and this is it.
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>>5916594
Not a fan of the Mandate of Heaven because it allows for overthrowal being legitimate.
I would prefer a secular deification of the Heinrich line as having the Royal Blood.
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>>5916268
While I like the idea I'm not sure if we can realistically implement it now. Probably later, but not currently.
I mean if you can get more people to vote for it I'll probably do it too.

>>5916594
I don't like the idea of a Mandate of Heaven for reasons this anon >>5916598 has brought up.
I put in the anti-democracy is because its very much in character to do. It would make less sense to not include it.
The Economy isn't something I thought about but I'm less worried about the what form the Commission takes, and more about what they can do for us as a whole.
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>>5916594
>support

>Find our other son. Marry him off to eloise Arthen.

If we can bind both major houses to our house. We will literally have unanimous support within the empire. We need to forge arthen into a sword of the empire like house solutions.


>Karl marries Eloise and Otto marries Jeanne.

>Produce more warfleets. We got valka to kill soon.

>Anyway we can go to a Muslim like marriage style and just have a Harem? And then produce like 100 children. Per generation?
>>5916063
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>>5916660
Please anon I ask you to reconsider. The Mandate of Heaven thing will bring many problems with it. Keeping the anti-democracy is far more in character and helps cementing our reign in ex-Federation places.
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>>5916207
>>5916210
>>5916666
>>5916660
>Okay get rid of the mandate of heaven part.

I like this anons. Reforms. Muslim the way to go. Pick the best child to be heir.
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>>5916660
I am cool with polygamy but if we do polygamy we have to HIGHLY institutionalize a Saudi style system of a pseudo legislature of all the heirs and potential heirs.
If we have a bunch of people with the ability to claim the throne if we don't give them a legal outlet to debate and work out political issues it is a recipe for war.

Hell I am even open to a literal legislature where only Heinreichs can vote (but the Emperor has ultimate power) makes it far less likely for cousins or siblings to go to actual war over the throne.
The dynasty is young but something like that happening is only a matter of time.
It is why I suggested that every descendant of Alphonse be legally made a member of House Heinrich by default. Anyone with his bloodline is too dangerous to be left outside the Imperial sphere of influence.
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>>5916691
>>5916702
Not a fan of Polygamy and it’s also out of character for a Heinrich, more fitting for a Vonduul though
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Having a Mandate of Heaven doesn't really help in this case, since all that would need to happen for our House to not have power anymore (and give legitimacy to any opponents) is if the Empire got a few bad years.

>>5916691
>Pick the best child to be heir.
I'll again admit that I don't know much about how we should transfer power but having the freedom to pick our heir seems like the way to go. I'll support it too.
Though I still hold that anti-democracy is in character and will strengthen our hold over the outer planets we annexed from the Federation.
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Reposting my suggestions
>The rule of the Empire is hereditary in the family of Heinrich and in the line of the descendants of Alphonse Heinrich. The rule shall be inherited by the child named as Heir Apparent by the Emperor . In the case that there is no such child, the prerogatives of rule shall pass to the member of the family named by the Emperor as Heir Apparent.
>All descendants of Alphonse Heinrich are members of the House Heinrich and no other.
>No warships are to be constructed by any Noble House without charter from the Emperor. No mercenaries are to be hired by any Nible House without charter from the Emperor.
>The Emperor shall be advised by The Landräte, defined as the heirs of each Noble house to be assembled by Imperial request at the capital.
The Landräte shall negotiate relations between the Noble Houses, with the Emperor presiding as Chief Justice.
>The Emperor is the supreme defender of the lands and peoples of Humanity and shall ensure the livelihood of both.
My comments are here
>>5916207
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>>5916704
I don't believe polygamy should mandated but it should be allowed if people consensually choose it. Including the Emperor.
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>>5916660
Otto is tempted by all of them, Clementine Talcaster in particular, but in the end, reasons that his own warlike tendencies could use a counterweight and the genetics of the future sons and daughters of House Heinrich supersede all lesser concerns. Otto chooses to marry Jeanne De Croize! She's taken aback by his proposal, but quickly recovers and is eager to accept.

House De Croize is delighted by the closeness to House Heinrich! Relations with House De Croize rise and are now friendly! If not for their bankruptcy at the hands of the throne and lingering bitterness for the executed traitors of their bloodline, this would have gone even higher.

House Soluton is less than pleased and views this as a betrayal! Relations with House Soluton plummet and are now friendly! Their familial ties to House Heinrich remain and they are grateful for their rewards, but are disillusioned by what they see as crass politicking.

The wedding is a pleasant affair in the glades of Vintrola. Every influential noble, merchant, and military officer with a pulse attends. Both extended families are able to convince Otto not to attempt a ceremonial duel in the Arthen tradition, though you suspect this is less due to his persuasion and more your son not having it in him to strike his future wife. Your mother, now 104, cries at the culmination with rather mixed feelings.

The two go honeymooning off in the meadows of Vintrola at Otto's discretion. You're confident they'll be getting you grandchildren soon. You try not to dwell on your son's mutilated, half-missing ruin of a face. If nothing else, you hope they're happy together.

"I'd like to see lies beneath. Oh... Don't fret, you're still handsome to me."

You decide that Karl's been fooling around long enough and recall him to Mars to get married. As he's not the imperial heir, the prestige of the relationship is diminished by far, but he's still quite close to the throne.

Who should he wed?

>Beatrice Soluton
>Eloise Arthen
>Clementine Talcaster
>Irina Junger
>Let him decide
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>>5916743
The reforms you intend are many and varied, but you'll consider them in exhausting, excruciating detail later. Soon... For now, you must make diplomatic overtures toward the Mukvir while you still can.

You determine that just as the desire to consume and propagate one's species is universal to life, greed for funds is universal to interstellar states. While you are incredibly curious to see how a culinary visitation would go, ultimately, you cannot gamble the Empire's future with the Mukvir. You go to conduct diplomacy yourself, as you are the most qualified within the Empire by a fair margin. A retinue fleet of House Heinrich and two imperial fleets escort a flotilla of open-minded, volunteer merchant vessels.

To call the Mukvir systems fortified is an understatement. You are no admiral, but some of these defenses are visible to the naked eye from afar. No doubt any invasion here would suffer ruinous casualties, even before an invasion of their sweltering jungle worlds. The Mukvir accept your hails and return an appropriate, though mildly bizarre transmission. In some hours of discussion, they realize that the Eternal Empire's head of state has come to make a visit and a meeting is arranged.

The imperial escort is invited to dock on a satellite orbiting a moon in their star system, orbiting Ukkuv itself. You yourself are invited to disembark with as many bodyguards as you feel are necessary. You don't trust the Royal Guard to wipe their own ass, let alone defend your life from alien apex-predators at the heart of their power, so you only take two along for appearances. The plant's architecture is quite beautiful, in a way, intricate and smooth, with bars jutting from the walls so densely it's reminiscent of a rainforest canopy.

You are ushered into what you assume is a rather luxurious room, judging by the low-intensity UV light and moisture in the air. The Mukvir quickly provide you a vast bowl of clear water and a heaping platter of raw meat. You are grateful for the former, as you're sweating, and only eat enough of the latter to be polite. In a couple more hours, another Mukvir lopes in and immediately begins hanging from a bar on the ceiling.
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>>5916745
It holds a pipe in one of its many tendrils and a portable lamp in another. By the lack of thorns, sparseness of flowers, and its small proportions, you recognize that this is a scant, one of the movers and shakers of its insular society. Apparently an important one, if they have it talking to you. The two of you sit, or hang and stand respectively, for the customary ten minute interval. The alien breaks the silence in a sharp, stilted voice that's deeper than humans are capable of. You strain to hear and get the impression it's lightening its pitch.

"Salutations... Eemproor uv Humuns. You may know me es Yolonko, High Advisor uv Mukvun Court..."

There is a half minute pause as it waits before continuing. A blistering pace for their kind.

"Ay... am speaker uv our current Grand Bloom... Hee es presisposed und cannot speak. You see me, Yolonko, enstead."

You make an approximation of their positive body language by leaping and thrusting your right arm into the air. The plant's many, bespectacled eyes follow your movements. It puffs on its pipe and its own body language is neutral, leaning toward welcoming. You reply. "You... are more than sufficient, High Advisor Yolonko, of Mukvun Court. I am pleased to have Mukvun Court's time. I am Emperor Albin, of House Heinrich."

The plant sways back and forth on the artificial branch, contemplating. "Eemproor... Eemproor Alben, of Humuns. Ay am pleased to have Heinrich House's... ah... House Heinrich's time."

One of its tendrils shifts, scratching at itself. A sign of relaxation. It seems at ease. "We... grasp that Humuns want to resume trade?"

You repeat the jumping and arm-thrusting motion. "Correct... That is what we want."

There are some minutes of silence. The alien takes a deep breath of its pipe and suddenly pushes forward, swinging up and down in a bizarre motion. That's not normal Mukvir body language, unless... It's trying to nod. Much more difficult without a distinct neck and head, but you greatly appreciate the effort. Yolonko speaks without waiting, rushing to accommodate your human attention span. "Then... let us discuss trade."

You grab an overhead bar and pull yourself up to hang on it. The Royal Guardsmen are at an utter loss for words, but as the Mukvir's preferred gravity is nearly a quarter lighter than old Earth, it really is no trouble. "Yes... let's!"

>Roll 1d6+3 to renew trade. +1 [Knowledge (Mukvir)], +2 [Pre-existing Arrangement]

Meanwhile, back in Sol's orbital well...

>Roll 1d6-2 to reverse-engineer the telescopes. -2 [Noninvasive Studies]
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Rolled 1 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>5916743
>Beatrice Soluton
I knew this would happen, I refuse to let Solutons leave the imperial embrace
>>5916747
Trade
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>>5916752
Never rolling again
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Rolled 1 - 2 (1d6 - 2)

>>5916747
it couldn't be a proper update without a massive failure in talking to other people
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>>5916743
>>Beatrice Soluton

>>5916753
>Never rolling again
I know that feel bro.
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>>5916755
And now our telescopes probably got fried as well as making enemies of the plants. Glad to see Albin going out on a high note.
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>Two crit fails
Extremely hilarious.
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>>5916752
WE SHOULD HAVE FED THEM AAIIIYYYEEEEEE

>>5916755
OH NO! Our telescope! It's broken!

lmao
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>>5916743
>Irina Junger
Karl is probably going to continue shenanigans, Irina should be able to keep up.

>>5916752
>>5916755
The luck is running dry huh
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>>5916763
House Heinrich - wins the wars, loses the peace.
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>>5916762
Would have been the same result, no way it wouldn’t have been a roll.

I’m starting to think crit fails/successes on a d6 is too often, perhaps a d10 would be better
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>>5916743
Let him decide
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>>5916766
It took a bit to get used to but now I don't mind d6 rolls that much.
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What do folks think of a version of bicameralism?

The Landstadd for the Noble Houses to debate amongst themselves and a "House of Heinreich" where all the descendants of Alphonse can discuss together how best to serve The Empire.
It's a good way of firmly establishing that Heinreich isn't "a" Noble house but THE one and only Imperial House. It also lets us maximize the skills of the whole family instead of having them work for other Houses . Finally it lets them connect with each other and gives an outlet for disputes making succession wars less likely
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>>5916776
Sounds good to me. We do need to make sure the Heinrich line is respected more as the 'Imperial' family, because some of the nobles seem to be treating the Heinrich line like it's just another noble house that happens to have the most power.
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>>5916752
The plant's tendrils curve, bending in on themselves as it cradles its pipe. A sign of dismay. You frown as it speaks. "Ay... am uv open thoughts. Eet es to my understanding that House Heinrich es usurped status uv Eemproor from House Vonduul?"

You make an affirmative motion. "Correct... my father, Emperor Alphonse, deposed House Vonduul and placed House Heinrich on the throne."

At this, Yolonko closes its eyes, deep in thought. For a full twenty minutes, not a word is exchanged, then it speaks. Its voice is slow even for a Mukvir, measured, as if trying not to offend. "Eemproor... Eemproor Jukka es patron uv our markeets. Vonduul House... House Vonduul extended gifts und pleasantries to Mukvun Court."

"We... are pleased to have Eemproor Alben's time, but... trade es not possible."

You try not to betray your disappointment. "Why... is trade not possible?"

The Mukvir takes a deep breath of its pipe once more, and gesticulates to nowhere in particular. "Eemproor... Eemproor Jukka had dealings with Mukvun Court. Was very fond uv trimming expired flowers."

You blink at this new information. Yolonko allows you fifteen minutes to digest it and continues.

"Eemproor... Eemproor Jukka paid for privilege. Paid muuuch. House Vonduul es uv little concern to us, eet left debts. Muuuch debts. Es Eemproor Jukka was Eemproor uv Humuns, by Mukvir custom, debts are uv Humuns."

It adjusts its pipe, then whips out a tendril to snare raw meat at your side and snap back to its maw in the blink of an eye. The Mukvir then uses its acid to melt the meat, "dining" in some five seconds, and goes on, almost casually.

"Debts... uv Humuns, es for Eemproor uv Humuns. Eemproor Alben, es uv Humuns. Different Houses, same Eempire. Eemproor Alben es smart, es wise, es knows uv Mukvir customs..."

"Eemproor... Eemproor Alben must know Mukvir cannot trade before debts are paid."

Yolonko waits patiently for your response. The Mukvir are nothing, if not patient. This word of Jukka's depravities brings a sinking feeling to your stomach, but the revelation that he had outstanding debts with the aliens leads you to suspect that might've been why they didn't contribute a fleet to his defense.

How do you respond?

>You'll pay Jukka's debts so that trade can resume. This will be a blow to the treasury and mitigate most of the benefit, but might earn the Mukvir's trust. If nothing else, it will demonstrate that the Eternal Empire lives up to its name.
>You'll attempt to explain that House Heinrich is distinct from House Vonduul, and their debts are not your own. This has the potential to cause a diplomatic incident, but you'll be damned if you're footing the bill for Jukka's indulgences.
>You'll break off negotiations, effective immediately. The Mukvir may lie beyond Mankind's reach within your lifetime, but the plants are patient and the Empire is Eternal, things may change eventually.
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>>5916766
It was a joke, my friend.
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>>5916796
I think this is worth the investment, especially since we can sell alien luxuries for mass profit to other nobles

>Pay debts
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>>5916796
>You'll break off negotiations, effective immediately. The Mukvir may lie beyond Mankind's reach within your lifetime, but the plants are patient and the Empire is Eternal, things may change eventually.

We are not paying off that retards debt
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>>5916796
>You'll attempt to explain that House Heinrich is distinct from House Vonduul, and their debts are not your own. This has the potential to cause a diplomatic incident, but you'll be damned if you're footing the bill for Jukka's indulgences.
Please can we not give away most of the treasury? Also we can't look like we're weak by paying for a debt that we don't owe or had nothing to do with.
I'm willing to change my vote to break off negotiations if that's winning but I'm optimistic this can be salvaged since Albin knows much about aliens and is likely one of the only people to smooth things over.
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>>5916824
>if that's winning
*if it's a close call
But either way is fine. I just don't think we can afford to pay, especially since we have reforms coming up that'll likely cost us money to implement.
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>>5916796
>You'll attempt to explain that House Heinrich is distinct from House Vonduul, and their debts are not your own. This has the potential to cause a diplomatic incident, but you'll be damned if you're footing the bill for Jukka's indulgences.

> Was very fond uv trimming expired flowers
What this mean?
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>>5916796
>Irina Junger
>You'll attempt to explain that House Heinrich is distinct from House Vonduul, and their debts are not your own. This has the potential to cause a diplomatic incident, but you'll be damned if you're footing the bill for Jukka's indulgences.
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>>5916796
>You'll pay Jukka's debts so that trade can resume. This will be a blow to the treasury and mitigate most of the benefit, but might earn the Mukvir's trust. If nothing else, it will demonstrate that the Eternal Empire lives up to its name.
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>>5916833
The Mukvir have three distinct sexes, flowers that produce pollen, thorns that germinate pollen into seeds, and scants that don't reproduce but transfer pollen from flowers to thorns due to their higher mobility and lesser metabolic needs. Over eons of evolution, the Mukvir evolved intelligence as a result of scant-induced selection pressure on thorns vying to receive pollen, and formed their system of courts centered around the scant control of pollen transfer. Due to the scant's lack of empathy and them being perceived as a drain of resources, flowers that start to wilt and no longer produce the same quality of pollen are quickly euthanized. Jukka was paying the Mukvir for the right to kill them himself, almost certainly more painfully than the process already was. The scant saw no ethical conundrum in this but charged House Vonduul a high price for it, which they kicked down the road until House Heinrich's rebellion overthrew them.
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>>5916796
>You'll pay Jukka's debts so that trade can resume. This will be a blow to the treasury and mitigate most of the benefit, but might earn the Mukvir's trust. If nothing else, it will demonstrate that the Eternal Empire lives up to its name.
Can we pay it off over time? After all, they're very patient; why not try to strike a deal to restart trade now, and send them the profits we get until the debt's paid? As far as I'm concerned doing it like that is little risk for quite a bit of gain (the gain being closer relations and the trade starting without a massive hit).
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>>5916796
>You'll attempt to explain that House Heinrich is distinct from House Vonduul, and their debts are not your own. This has the potential to cause a diplomatic incident, but you'll be damned if you're footing the bill for Jukka's indulgences.
I want to vote to break negotiations since this is already good progress, but this one seems more likely to win so I'm voting for it.
The anon is right we really can't afford to spend our treasury on a debt that we didn't cause with the reforms coming up.

>>5916743
>Beatrice Soluton
To break the tie.
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>>5916883
The fact that we're paying at all isn't good. All that money we could've had would be used for something we had nothing to do with.
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>>5916891
It’s monetarily neutral. We get money back from the trade, but this also establishes diplomatic relations.
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>>5916796
>Pay
>Irina Junger
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>>5916895
But that's the issue here. It's not our debt that's being payed, it's a completely different debt accumulated by the people we overthrew and we will gain little to no positives in this (while they gain many positives) besides establishing relations, which have technically already been established by the fact that we're talking to them here.
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>>5916598
>>5916659
We overthrew the previous line gentlemen. Also I don't think the Mandate of Heaven works like "We're going through a bad time? You're illegitimate now."

It's simply a mystification of the process of power. It's how we react and what we do with the cards we're dealt that determines a loss in Mandate, it's not a switch. Vonduul took a long time before they truly "lost" it themselves.

Heinrich blood can still be considered "blessed" since we have gotten so many great members in our family.

Besides, the Mandate is only a part of what I want. I also talked about Confucianism since I want a Operating Philosophy for our state.

>>5916743
Do we have a better Soluton to marry Karl to? We also still have an unmarried daughter don't we?

>>5916752
>>5916755
Fucking knew I was gonna regret not rolling when saw QM update.

>>5916796
>You'll break off negotiations, effective immediately. The Mukvir may lie beyond Mankind's reach within your lifetime, but the plants are patient and the Empire is Eternal, things may change eventually.
Fuck them plants.
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>>5916796
>Let him decide
>You'll attempt to explain that House Heinrich is distinct from House Vonduul, and their debts are not your own. This has the potential to cause a diplomatic incident, but you'll be damned if you're footing the bill for Jukka's indulgences.
We shouldn't have a ghost debt that haunts us. And we shouldn't have to pay for something we didn't do.

>"Debts... uv Humuns, es for Eemproor uv Humuns. Eemproor Alben, es uv Humuns. Different Houses, same Eempire. Eemproor Alben es smart, es wise, es knows uv Mukvir customs..."
Humans are not all the same pls understand.
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>>5916911
Who cares who established the debt, it’s there. Diplomatic relations are the first step towards friendly relations which are very helpful, and we’re probably not going to have another opportunity for this in a long time. Also, establish regular connection through trade is a far cry better than merely making contact.

On the other hand, the main competitor option is to risk offending them trying to argue the debt isn’t ours out of pure greed. We’re not here to make money, though ideally that would be a nice cherry on top. We’re here on a diplomatic mission. Let’s not risk a diplomatic incident because we’re greeding for money (something any emperor can generate) instead of getting the diplomatic connection (something rare and hard to attain).
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>>5916883
yeah we could pay off the debts by giving them an extra cut of funds from trade deals.
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>>5916917
The Mandate of Heaven is based around the idea that when the government is evil it loses the Mandate and can be overthrown legitimately by a dynasty that has earned the Mandate of heaven.
I don't like that idea, I prefer the idea that the Throne belongs to the Heinrich's from now until infinity.
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>>5916932
So what we should do is have something that ensures the virtue and skill of future Heinrichs. Like philisophy, tradition, norms, things like that.

I want there to be a noblesse oblige to the Heinrich line, not just you rule cause you got the right blood. That's part of the equation but not it's entirety.
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>>5916938
But that just justifies someone who wants to overthrow us. They can just claim we are degenerate for whatever bullshit reason as an excuse to rebel.
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>>5916796
>>You'll attempt to explain that House Heinrich is distinct from House Vonduul, and their debts are not your own. This has the potential to cause a diplomatic incident, but you'll be damned if you're footing the bill for Jukka's indulgences.
Look, we will say something like the huge benefits of trade will pay for the debts themselves or something like that.
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>>5916942
That's not how it works anon.
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>>5916950
The Mandate of Heaven is a philosophical argument that directly links the dynasties' political success with its moral virtue. It is incompatible with the idea of a Forever Bloodline
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>>5916917
Perhaps something more along the lines of "the last line was illegitimate, and any other line that wants to be on the throne is illegitimate"? I'm not against giving the Heinrichs have a special status and qualifications they have to have to be Emperor, I just don't want to have nobles and/or masses band together thinking they can overthrow us and start another civil war.
Although either way I still want to codify anti-democracy, if for no other reason than to solidify our rule and stamp out any ex-Federation sentiments.

>>5916928
This debt isn't ours. We can't afford to appear like we're paying off for someone else's mistakes, especially so close to the time we're doing major reforms.
I'm still optimistic we can help these guys understand that we and the past monarchy aren't the same government. Albin knows the most about these aliens, no one else will be able to talk with them the way that he does.

>>5916943
That could actually work.
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>>5916917
Beatrice is the only current, eligible Soluton that both isn't related to the Heinrich dynasty and is from a prestigious branch of their bloodline. A closer or less prestigious marriage could be easily arranged. The possible wives for Otto are the most promising of many, many petitioners to the throne. Most of the work in the palace on Mars consists of paperwork, and a large chunk of that is marriage proposals from the various noble houses, affluent merchants, and bold commoners of the Empire.

You do not have any unmarried daughters, unfortunately. Karl is the youngest of your children and your next youngest, Erika, was married off to one Ludwig of House Rausch, and has had four children over the years.
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>>5916953
I think its fine to say the Vonduul were unfit to rule but we cant say so in a way that could be turned back on us.

For example "Only Heinreichs are fit to be the Supreme Rulers and Guardians of Humanity, and the Vonduul were illegitimate and corrupt because they were not Heinrechs. All past dynasties fell because they were not the One True Rulers of humanity that Heinrichs are. Now that Heinrechs have the Throne we are the Final Dynasty of Humanity.
We can also take influences from Muslim and Bahai doctrine. Say that each Dynyasty before us was meant to lead the way for the one Ultimate Dynyasty (with Vonduul's fall from grace being the sign for the Ultimate Dynyasty to rise up)

We can use Heinrechs military victories, and the genius status of Otto, Angelica, and Lydia as evidence of the Supreme Value of Heinreichs, a kind of secular version of the Divine Blood concept seen in the rulers of Kemet and Japan.
Heinrichs are simply the peak pinnacle of Humanity and therefore must rule it. As Nobles are meant to rule over commoners so to are Heinrichs meant to rule over everyone.
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>>5916917
>Also I don't think the Mandate of Heaven works like "We're going through a bad time? You're illegitimate now."
It kinda does. or at least that is what our enemies will claim if we make it official policy
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>>5916953
>Perhaps something more along the lines of "the last line was illegitimate, and any other line that wants to be on the throne is illegitimate"?
...because they don't have the greatness of the Heinrich dynasty. Look at us! We have achieved so much in such a short period of time! The Empire is ascendant once again! That's why we're legitimate and any usurper is not.

>Although either way I still want to codify anti-democracy, if for no other reason than to solidify our rule and stamp out any ex-Federation sentiments.
Anti democracy should be a byproduct of the Operating Philosophy. I have a very superficial understanding of Confucianism but, from what I know, it provides argument for being against democracy. Mostly through criticizing it as appealing to the lowest common denominator and thus not cultivating virtue and greatness within humanity.

>>5916972
What is written under "Old Dynasty" anon? It is as I said, what we do in reaction to our circumstances that causes a loss in mandate.
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>>5916953
Again, who cares who is the technical holder of the debt? They recognize us as having the debt and if we try to argue it we risk offending them. *It doesn’t matter if it’s not really our debt*. What matters is we have an opportunity to start building a relationship with them. The money can be recouped, the relationship is very hard to recoup for a long time. Pissing them off here is not worth it. No one is going to look down on us for paying debts “from the empire”. Especially not after we just won the civil war.
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>>5916955
Although speaking of Chinese influence and the idea of our heirs getting married, quoting the Shang
>Neighbouring clans were allied through marriage and adopted into the Shang ancestral temple
So a conceptual example of what I am suggesting for making anyone with Alphone's Blood legally a Heinreich.

A similar move happened in House of the Dragon which led to the politically powerful Velaryon-Blacks alliance.

If folks consider making all the descendants legally Heinreichs too extreme I suggest we at least integrate them into some sort of "Higher House" as a stated here
>>5916776
As a way to contain what will rapidly form a very large number of potential counter claimants to the throne.
By my count we already have over a dozen direct descendants of alphonse and that number will only grow over time.
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>>5916796
>You'll pay Jukka's debts so that trade can resume. This will be a blow to the treasury and mitigate most of the benefit, but might earn the Mukvir's trust. If nothing else, it will demonstrate that the Eternal Empire lives up to its name.
We're here to open relations. This is our goal, our objective. There's no reason to risk it on another roll of the dice, or even worse break off immediately at the first sign of trouble.
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The real question about a divine mandate is... the empire doesn't really seem religious? It's kind of hard to say "We should rule because the heavens/god/divine entities said we should be in charge" and get much other than a funny look and possible plans to get rid of the nutcase in charge, if nobody really believes in "the heavens/god/divine entities", you know?
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>>5917000
That, and you cannot exactly establish a divine right to rule when your dad was the first Emperor of your line and there are people alive who remember not being ruled by a Heinrich Emperor.

Anons want to do too much too fast with these reforms, for no real reason other than impatience, and it's gonna blow up in our face
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>>5917000
Its why I stress a secular version. The only gods of The Empire are the Heinrichs themselves and not because of any mysticism but because Heinrech's are inherently better than other Humans and therefore must lead them.
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>>5916977
I feel like these two arguments are actually pretty similar to each other.
Perhaps we can come to an agreement in the sense of having the Heinrich's be THE Imperial House, with our actions speaking for us after overthrowing the Vonduuls and safeguarding our line by choosing the most competent and skilled Heinrich to lead the way.
Maybe we can mix both Confucian Philosophy, Muslim Dynastic statesmanship, and general anti-democratic thought? I feel like this isn't too strange of a combination to make.

>>5916978
Ultimately there is risk in everything we do. I mean it's entirely possible that by paying we'll have to roll and they'll demand that we pay everything as soon as we can. And this is not something we can afford, especially with all this talk in favor of reforming the Empire and the way the Heinrich Dynasty functions.

>>5916998
I think there's a chance that all the options (except maybe breaking off negotiations) will require some sort of roll.
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>>5917003
>there are people alive who remember not being ruled by a Heinrich Emperor.
And it was horrible. I think it will be pretty easy to sell that the Heinrichs are superior
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>>5917006
There isn’t risk in everything we do. Sometimes decisions don’t have rolls, and it wouldn’t make sense for choosing to pay off debts to have a roll. I don’t know where you get the idea that we “can’t afford” to do a monetarily neutral action. Even if it weren’t neutral, we have a lot of Economy right now, so we absolutely can afford this.
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>>5917008
>there are people alive who remember not being ruled by a Heinrich Emperor.
>and it was horrible.
lmao I love it.
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>>5917000
This isn't divinity like a creator or deity. It's more of a transcendental belief in the human spirit, will and family.

>>5917003
???

We and anon >>5917008 are in agreement.
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>>5917006
>I think there's a chance that all the options (except maybe breaking off negotiations) will require some sort of roll.
I am 99% sure just giving them what they want will require no roll, and 1% that the roll will have a big bonus compared to trying to convince them to accept us not paying denbts

>>5917022
>???
I do not understand what you are confused about
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>>5917019
>There isn’t risk in everything we do.
Yes there is. Even taking the more cautious route can end badly, since there is rarely any gain from not taking chances.
>Sometimes decisions don’t have rolls, and it wouldn’t make sense for choosing to pay off debts to have a roll.
We don't know if there will be a roll or not unless the QM blatantly says there will be one, which I imagine he won't for the sake of fairness and maintaining the uncertainty in the story.
And I disagree with the statement that it wouldn't make sense, since you're advocating for the debt to be payed in a 'monetarily neutral debt' instead of immediately. That itself requires negotiation. Who says they won't ask for a trade that favors them more than us? Or something that demands we put more money into them for the sake of keeping diplomatic relations. These things happen in real life, no reason they shouldn't happen here as well.
>I don’t know where you get the idea that we “can’t afford” to do a monetarily neutral action.
That is an incorrect assessment of what I said. I was speaking that in the event of us having to pay off everything immediately.
>Even if it weren’t neutral, we have a lot of Economy right now, so we absolutely can afford this.
Never overestimate how good things are going, especially when it comes to money. We don't know what expenses we'll need for unforeseen events in addition to the money we'll need for the reforms.
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>>5916998
The thought of Jukka wielding a pair of hedge trimmers, clipping away at cowering plants with dumb, demented glee on his fat, swollen face, revulses you. At the same time, you recognize that your empathy toward their flowers is born of a human mind and wholly alien to the conception of the scants. You are hesitant to let yourself be associated with such a vile stain on the human condition, but you know that for the Mukvir, with their ceremonial Grand Bloom, there is no difference between the Emperors of one House and another.

If you aren't eager to pay Jukka's debts, you must help Yolonko understand that there is a gulf between dynasties, across which debts are not carried. This may be confusing to the High Advisor, at worst it could drive him to the throes of mukva, but you owe it to the honour of House Heinrich to try. You begin to explain the significance of the houses in Mankind's culture and how they subtly differ from the courts in the Mukvir. Yolonko listens attentively, and lowers one tendril into the water bowl.

You stare, fascinated, as it gradually swells with liquid and efficiently conveys it into the plant's central mass, despite gravity working against it. Aha, that's how they drink water! That's also what the bowl was for, then! Fascinating! Simply fascinating! You're tempted to begin asking questions of the Mukvir and how their xenobiology works differently from terrestrial vegetation, but restrain yourself. Alphonse's tutelage of you as a young boy, so long ago, is a boon to your lineage even now.

>Roll 1d6+1 to explain. +1 [Knowledge (Mukvir)]
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5917034
Your argument making no sense is what Im confused about.

>>5917038
Uhhhh
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>>5917040
Thank god I didn’t roll
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>>5917042
You were going to try again my friend? Didn't you also roll the 1 that destroyed half of Otto's face?
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>>5917044
I was remembering around that part
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>>5917040
I'm so happy our plant frens understand us.
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>>5917040
I do not understand why you think the argument makes no sense.

Nice roll tho
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>>5917040
Glad the unnecessary gamble paid off this time
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This would be a good time to ask. What are the foundational myths of the Empire OP? The type of political legendary background for how the Empire formed, why it formed and what gave it the right to form. That would I form the current conversations atm.
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>>5917040
Oh thank god dude
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>>5917040
Well Albin may be a autist when it comes to talking to people but at least he can talk to aliens.
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>>5917048
Because Divine Right doesn't require that our lineage have a long history of rule. Like anon >>5917008 implied It's a non sequitur.

>>5917052
Im also interested in this.
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>>5917052
I'll admit I've been curious about the Empire's origins too.
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>>5917052
Yeah I know QM mentioned the earth got blown up due to technology shenanigans the consequences of which still echo to this day but it is still a bit odd things devolved so much culturally to the point even serfdom got reintroduced at one point. (although ain't around anymore)
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>>5917057
Anon, the son of an usurper proclaiming divine right will be considered nuts. Five generations later, when Heinrich Emperos are seen as a permanent fixture of the Empire, divine right won't seem so far-fetched.

I do agree with that anon that Chinese-style divine right is the worst kind of divine right. It basically does nothing to help protect the dynasty against false Emperors in times of need.
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>>5917063
>Anon, the son of an usurper proclaiming divine right will be considered nuts.
If it's a foreign concept sure.

>Five generations later, when Heinrich Emperos are seen as a permanent fixture of the Empire, divine right won't seem so far-fetched.
Again, time isn't a factor in Divine Right.

>I do agree with that anon that Chinese-style divine right is the worst kind of divine right. It basically does nothing to help protect the dynasty against false Emperors in times of need.
I've already adressed this, that's not how it works.
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>>5917063
People have claimed Divine Right to rule after a single ruler, the idea you need to wait a certain amount of time to let it "cook" is inncaurate.

And also I am not claiming a divine right to rule. The idea isn't that the Heinrich's must rule because God or gods said so, it is because they are better than all other Humans.
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>>5917063
>Anon, the son of an usurper proclaiming divine right will be considered nuts.

>[laughs in ancient china]
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>>5917081
Especially after a period of successful military conquest and popular support. Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar show you do not need to be the heir to a divine monarch to successfully declare yourself one.
(But again, I recommend secular supremacy.)
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>>5917093
Laughs in everywhere.
The hell do you think Mohammad did when he became the first Caliph?
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>>5917081
>>5917095
Then are we really so different? I wouldn't say secular supremacy since that's something that's more concrete and can be therefore disproven. We would need to be superhuman for it to really be true.

Like I said, thr Heinrich line is legitimate because they cultivate virtue and greatness within themselves and the Empire by extension.
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>>5917104
In that sense the Heinrichs have achieved a human supremacy but it's more "spiritual" in that human spirit, will and family way that I mentioned earlier.
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>>5917096
Fucked a chick. Wait no, sat down. THEN fucked a chick.
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>>5917096
Anon, comparing anything to Mohammad is not a good thing
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>>5917115
It proves his point anon, regardless of your opinions on the man.
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>>5917104
>We would need to be superhuman for it to really be true.
We are though. At least so far.
Every generation has had a genius tier talent. Sometimes Multiple.
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>>5917130
That's still not "better than all humans"/superhuman level.
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>>5917040
The tutelage... to hell with the tutelage! You're the Emperor and you're curious, damn it! You forgo negotiations to ask about Yolonko's drinking tendril. The advisor relaxes its loose appendages while clinging tighter to the bar and opens all of its eyes. A sign of surprise! In mere seconds, it starts to explain that, like the overwhelming majority of extant species, they have a series of veins throughout their physiology, but that they also have hollow, flexible tubes in certain tendrils which near-microscopic pores on their flesh open to when exposed to clear water.

Yolonko also reveals that these tubes, when not pumping water, act as a sort of hydraulic piston which helps them exert more force. Incredible, simply incredible! The Mukvir relaxes its stance once more and after ten minutes of trepidation, asks about how humans drink water. You demonstrate via your hands and explain that the esophagus contracts, but that it's otherwise static and a purely digestive organ. Yolonko is curious and asks to view your hands more closely. You comply, despite the terror of your Royal Guards, and as it holds your wrists in a weak grip, you explain the many joints and tendons that allow it to function.

The advisor, amazed at the intricacy, reciprocates and allows you to examine its tendrils more closely as it explains the subtle differences between them. Apparently, the three top and three bottom tendrils are much stronger and agile while lacking dexterity, and used primarily for movement and combat. Their four side tendrils are more akin to a human arm and fill much the same niche, manipulating objects and wielding tools. The two central tendrils, beneath the toothless mouth, are, for the most part, a means of consuming food, though of late, it has been in fashion to use them outside of dining.

You explain the human endoskeletal system when it asks and go into great detail on the function of the various elbow and knee joints. The Mukvir is as disgusted as it is amused by their rigidity. Of particular interest is your spinal cord and its many vertebrae. As such a structure is wholly absent in their bodies, it is very interested in how it works. At your request, Yolonko demonstrates an inhuman flexibility, and shows you that each of its eyes, while inferior to Mankind in visual quality, are capable of looking in different directions at once and have a heightened sensitivity to subtle movements.
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>>5917137
This goes on for the better part of five hours. The two of you abandon professionalism to discuss the many profound differences in your respective biologies. Over time, the conversation inevitably veers toward the topic of sexual dimorphism, where the plant is mildly confused that in Mankind, contrary to the flowers and thorns of the Mukvir, the male is generally speaking the larger of the two and traditionally does most resource gathering, while the female is the smaller of the two and rendered vulnerable during the process of growing young, which happens inside of a specialized internal organ, rather than in the soil as it does for their kind. Your dual system is a deep curiosity to the scant, as your species entirely lacks a third, sterile facilitating sex.

Yolonko has been aware of this on an abstract, academic level for years, but to have an actual human explain it in person is much more enlightening. You then get into the cultural attitudes surrounding reproduction and how it gave rise to the family unit, and go on a long, convoluted tangent about the concept of filial piety among close relatives and how this informs almost every aspect of human society. The plant hangs from the bar and listens, engrossed in your words. After some time, you shift into a pidgin of the Mukvir tongue to get across certain niche concepts more easily, and the two of you fast strike up a mutual understanding.

Eventually, you loop back around to the subject at hand, that of Jukka's debts, and start to apologize for your lack of willingness to pay. Yolonko interrupts you mid-sentence, a grievous offense in Mukvir culture... unless done by a close acquaintance, in which case it is a friendly gesture.

"Eemproor... Eemproor Alben, eet es fine. Ay see that es Humuns lack Scant guidance, there es no branches between houses. Unlike courts uv Mukvir, there es no sameness."

No continuity, he means. Exactly what you were trying to say! The plant goes on, visibly tired from your lengthy conversation but no less rapt with attention. "Eet... es unreasonable to hold House Heinrich to House Vonduul's debts. Jukka's debts es unpaid. Jukka's debts es stay unpaid."
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>>5917134
Right but I think our three generations of success and talent should be enough of a "resume" to back up the political claim that the Heinreich's are a step above the other Nobles in the same way the other Nobles are above commoners.

Basically adding an extra level to the heiarchal culture our civilization is built around (see: all the anti-democracy talk in the war that centered on the fact that people must be ruled by their betters.)
This is seizing power in a way that is a natural extension of pre existing cultural values.
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>>5917141
Yolonko bristles its thorns and widens its eyes, a clear sign of hostility, but you get your Royal Guardsmen to stand down through a discrete hand signal. The Mukvir focuses on its pipe. "Jukka... es boor! Hee never smoke, never talk. Es always business, always eating..."

"Now... es feeding dirt! How es do Humuns say? Bad riddance?"

You jump up and down and clap your hands together, a sign of positive mukva. "That... is close enough!"

Yolonko puffs and warbles. "Then... bad riddance to House Vonduul! House Heinrich es new partners, es better partners."

"Ay... speak to Mukvun Court, help Eemproor Alben uv Humuns strike deal. Where Mukvun go, others come. Es easy."

You can't help yourself but grin. The Mukvir unfurls its inner tendrils in response. It appears you've hit it off with Yolonko.

Trade relations between Mankind and Mukvir will be resumed shortly.

You feel you have enough sway here to make another advance toward the plants.

>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.
>Bring up the concept of a culinary visitation. If the Mukvir could be introduced to fine dining, a new market could be most profitable indeed.
>Propose that the trade deal be expanded on. Nothing too significant, a mere overlapping of the edges of both nations' economies, much like the Osgus.
>Ask for an exchange of technologies. If Mankind shows them how holo-tech works, the Mukvir may be willing to improve on the Empire's fortification methods.
>Leave things as they are for the time being. You may be eager, but the masses aren't, and you don't want to reach too far for the aliens at once.
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>>5917137
>>5917141
Autismchads stay winning .
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>>5917144
>Ask for an exchange of technologies. If Mankind shows them how holo-tech works, the Mukvir may be willing to improve on the Empire's fortification methods.
Also Albin should know if that pipe is (relatively) safe for him to smoke. Hit the boof with your cool enbie pal.
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>>5917144
>Bring up the concept of a culinary visitation
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>>5917144
>Ask for an exchange of technologies. If Mankind shows them how holo-tech works, the Mukvir may be willing to improve on the Empire's fortification methods.
>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.
I love it.
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>>5917144
>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them
The betting pool is going to go crazy
>>5917145
And to think people said Albin didn’t have autism in the last thread, he truly shall be remembered as a Great. Minus the Soluton relationship bombing but eh we can fix that when we marry the next Emperor after Otto
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>>5917144
>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.
>Ask for an exchange of technologies. If Mankind shows them how holo-tech works, the Mukvir may be willing to improve on the Empire's fortification methods.
They're gonna see their teams compete in glorious holo!

>>5917145
Albin is the definition of a based autist

>>5917154
They're still friendly, even Otto should be able to fix this.
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>>5917144
>Bring up the concept of a culinary visitation. If the Mukvir could be introduced to fine dining, a new market could be most profitable indeed.
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>>5917154
That entire sequence so was so accurate to what happens when you infodump on a special interest with someone who SHARES IT (right down to talking so much your body goes out) I suspect OP may either be neurodiverse or know someone closely who is .
Also they are a QM, which I am starting to think may be a fundamentally Autistic artform in the same way rap is a fundamentally Black artform.
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>>5917159
We're all a little retarded here. My friend pokes fun at my writing for being "typical autistic". It's true.
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>>5917156
exactly, Arthen is friendly, De Croize is friendly, and Lochstrum is neutral but they are still family and got the Ustong homeworld so fixing them up should be easy, the navy loves us, the martial houses are our biggest backers, everything in the ledger is above average in stats. The Heinrich Dynasty is off to an amazing start
>>5917159
Albin is just built differently then the rest, although he may not be like his father I don't regret him being Emperor.
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>>5917169
We are the strongest I think we will ever be for generations. We won't get a better chance to push our reforms through. and once we do we can use those reforms to "freeze" this power in place so it never decays
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>>5917144
>Bring up the concept of a culinary visitation. If the Mukvir could be introduced to fine dining, a new market could be most profitable indeed.
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>>5917179
>We are the strongest I think we will ever be for generations
Now here's where I disagree. I firmly believe every Emperor will be in a stronger position than the last. Our shipyards and new planets haven't even began paying dividends yet, and the major houses will only be bound more strongly to us with time.

>"freeze" this power in place so it never decays
And another disagreement. The source of our power has been our military might, our shrewd diplomacy and our Nightshayd cloak-and-dagger allies, and no words on a paper will ever help us if we manage to fuck those up
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>>5917061
As you are aware, the Eternal Empire has stood for over fourteen millennia and seen a number of ruling dynasties rise and fall, of which House Heinrich is the twentieth to come to the fore.

The earliest days of Mankind's interstellar history are shrouded in mystery and much has been lost to the ages, but bits and pieces are clear. As far as the masses are aware, the Eternal Empire is just that- Eternal- a just and noble hierarchy that guided Humanity from the earliest murk of the neolithic into a glorious and enlightened future. As nobles, you have the tragic burden of knowing that Mankind was once lost without the Eternal Empire.

In the distant past, the masses were without nobility and existed in a condition of anarchy. Such is the brilliance of your species, they managed to achieve spacefaring technology even without unison, and such was their determination, they held onto old loyalties even as they reached for the stars.

The Sol system was colonized to its furthest reaches when the first Interworld War began. While the specifics and cause have been lost, it's known this led to billions of deaths and the loss of infrastructure critical for keeping offworld colonists alive. Rather than fight for what remained, a number of those in positions of power, admirals, scholars, even merchants, banded together to seize power and force the scattered chaos of the masses into ordered cohesion.

In those early days, as the ideologies of the then-future failed to prevent a collapse, those in power looked to the past. The autocracies of the past were drawn on for inspiration, boundaries were charted amongst the ruling class, and the earliest iteration of contemporary nobility took shape. At the consensus of the fledgling houses, the Eternal Empire was declared at the site of Mankind's earliest space launch. By the first Emperor's word, never again would the whole of Mankind be allowed to vie against itself. Instead, billions would march in a single direction, joined as one beneath the will of the throne!

Soon after, the hypershunt allowing for FTL travel was discovered and a golden age began. Of course, it didn't last forever, but it did long enough that the Eternal Empire took root as the legitimate authority of Sol, and the aristocracy has been careful to subvert or crush alternatives, where possible. They haven't done the best job, where they even bothered to, but that the Eternal Empire still exists in a recognizable form after fourteen millennia speaks libraries of volumes.
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>>5917144
>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.
There needs to be a name for this, something like "Sports diplomacy."
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>>5917144
>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.
Foooootttballllll.

>>5917212
So humans colonize the solar system, a autism world war happens that makes WW2 look like a joke, after billions of deaths and who knows how many years of instability and practical anarchy in many places across the world and solar system a reactionary movement popular among the remaining ruling class and people with power begins to kick off, they succeed and manage to unite earth under one flag (mostly cause almost every nation is too dead or on the brink of collapse to stop them I imagine). They officially form the empire uniting all of humanity for the first time, FTL is discovered, a shite ton of other stuff happens, earth is destroyed by some event involving transhumanists, shite ton more stuff happens, our father overthrows the old dynasty, now we are here.

Neat.
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>>5916660
I missed this while I was tallying the votes earlier. Attempting to go full polygamist and get as many children as possible per generation is possible, though it has its drawbacks. Namely, keeping noble alliances through marriage would no longer be possible and without stringent, ironclad laws of inheritance and a detailed, agreed-upon means of determining the next heir, a succession crisis is far likelier.

>>5917130
House Heinrich has been exceptional but this isn't uncommon for the noble houses. While gene-editing technology is frowned on now, it hasn't always been and the nobility has done its best to monopolize excellence and integrate throwback examples of it. This is offset by the fact that, while the nobility has a higher likelihood of talented individuals, the masses are multiple orders of magnitude more numerous. Staying in power has been a delicate balancing act. Even now, most of the imperial military aren't of noble blood and many members of house retinues are only servants rather than true members of their bloodlines. If it gained momentum, a mass uprising of commoners could easily break the Empire's back over its knee.
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>>5917143
And that's why I advocate for us possessing something like the Mandate. No two bit noble house can compete with the Heinrich Legacy! We are a cut above the rest!

>>5917144
>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.
>Ask for an exchange of technologies. If Mankind shows them how holo-tech works, the Mukvir may be willing to improve on the Empire's fortification methods.
This shit is gonna pop off bruv.

>>5917145
It's a superpower, even if it has it's drawbacks...

>>5917179
>>5917187
You are both correct. We are currently in a spike in power as usually happens after winning a civil war and it will come down once a new status quo settles in. Said status quo can be defined through words on a paper but those words are backed by the powers we possess i.e. they are defined through words but maintained through power.
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>>5917214
Adding
>Ask for an exchange of technologies. If Mankind shows them how holo-tech works, the Mukvir may be willing to improve on the Empire's fortification methods.
to my vote.
>>5917254
Honestly anon, I'm willing to back whatever you propose after saving our diplomacy with the plant aliens, just don't go overboard.
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>>5917144

>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.

Albin is a xenodiplomancing genius, but we must normalize Mukvirs to the human population at large - through violent athletic spectacle!
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>>5917144
>>Invite them to participate in the ISL. You can already think of several strategies for Mukvir teams in the Jumpcrawl, a new avenue of entertainment might be a hit for them.
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Just realised that I never voted on the Karl wife vote.
>>5916955
>A closer or less prestigious marriage could be easily arranged.
And which of those has the greatest specimen? I want to mend things with Soluton but Beatrice isn't very impressive.
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>>5917144
>Ask for an exchange of technologies. If Mankind shows them how holo-tech works, the Mukvir may be willing to improve on the Empire's fortification methods.
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>>5917254
>You are both correct. We are currently in a spike in power as usually happens after winning a civil war and it will come down once a new status quo settles in. Said status quo can be defined through words on a paper but those words are backed by the powers we possess i.e. they are defined through words but maintained through power.
This is an accurate statement. We maintain our strength by use of force and solidify it with our laws, which in turn gives us more power that we use to create more laws and so on.
Or something to that effect.
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>>5917144
>Bring up the concept of a culinary visitation. If the Mukvir could be introduced to fine dining, a new market could be most profitable indeed.
>Propose that the trade deal be expanded on. Nothing too significant, a mere overlapping of the edges of both nations' economies, much like the Osgus.
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>>5917137
>The tutelage... to hell with the tutelage!
Ha ,eat a dick Autism Speaks.

>>5917254
The Mandate is "two way." The fatal flaw is that if someone else "proves" (or more likely claims) that we have fallen and/or that they are superior we have built in cultural and maybe legal precedent for them to rebel.
Instead I recommend we use a "Seal of the Prophets" style concept, but secular. Each Dynasty was improved by the eternal gauntlet of uncaring space until it created the Heinrich Line, the Ultimate, Final Dynasty that cannot be surpassed. Lean into the cult of personality built around Alphonse, Angelica and Otto, attach Lydia's genius to that same brand.
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>>5917351
The most noteworthy daughter of House Soluton who is both eligible and prestigious is one Charlotte Soluton, a skittish young noblewoman who greatly enjoys chocolate, both the process of its creation and of its consumption. Miraculously, she's in excellent health but she's also a close cousin of Karl, and marriage would make any negative genes in either likelier to show themselves in their offspring. It's likely this wouldn't be a problem. As noble patriarchs and cattle ranchers the galaxy over know, the first generation is usually mostly-fine. Still, there's a taboo surrounding consanguinity and rumourmongers would be delighted at the news of a wedding.
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>>5917406
They can't just "claim" anything, the Mandate works through what is not what is said to be. It's an incumbent advantage that would need to be overcome by Vonduul levels of mismamagement to be overcome by a potential usurper in legitimacy.

And as history shows, just declaring yourself the final dynasty doesn't make it true.

>>5917409
That's not a great specimen, Im talking someone like the other options. A skilled woman with good genes.
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>>5917418
So far the Heinrich genes have been pretty good anon, with Jeanne it should add some IQ to the brawn so let’s worry a bit about keeping our allies happy
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>>5917418
>>5917406
You know what's funny is that both of you are agreeing for the most part. The only major tangible differences are the words used to describe the concepts of House Heinrich being the "Imperial Dynasty".
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>>5917418
That's the most prestigious woman of House Soluton who's currently eligible for marriage. There are other possibilities, but without the closeness to the core of their house, wouldn't help the mend relations with the nobility, much like how House Heinrich wouldn't care if Robert's nephew married into the ruling line of House Schafer. The possible spouses for a given heir are largely random and vary each generation. In some cases, marriage for political purposes is preferred over genetic potential, but most of the noble houses try to avoid overdoing it, which is one of the many reasons why they're still noble.
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>>5917426
Yeah but I feel bad for Karl having an anxious mess for a wife. Maybe we can try to have a sitdown between the three families to solve this instead? Bury the hatchet and achieve a more permanent solution, have De Croize and Soluton marry each other!

>>5917430
Not really, we agree that Heinrich is great but not on how and why it's great and that's an important difference.

>>5917431
A shame.
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>>5917434
I don't actually BELIEVE the Heinrich's are ubermenchen. I am saying that it is going to be give us more power if we culturally claim to have proven ourselves The One True Dynasty than if we claim to have seized a mandate , that, by definition, isn't inherent to us and can be taken from us if we are proved "unworthy."
They are both made up pseudo-mystical concepts but one says the Heinrich's will be on the Throne for ever, the other says they will be on the Throne until they fuck up.
And that later line I argue is a very threatening idea to encode into our culture.
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>>5917434
I think as long as we bring all the Alphonse descendants under the Imperial sphere of influence we don't have to worry too much about breeding super sires because we can just pick whoever rolled the best stats to be Emperor when it comes up.
The important thing is to make sure they are loyal to the House so that, in the event they want the Throne they can backdoor deal for it like a Saudi instead of raising banners to conquer .
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>>5917405
You are quite fascinated by the Mukvir's lack of a food culture and feel they could be wowed by some of the imperial chefs. Even so, you know precious little about their microbiology and don't want to risk relations over the introduction of nuanced food falling flat. That's something to think of later on, in the future.

Despite their inefficient metabolism and sadly subhuman endurance, it can't be denied that the Mukvir are dangerous specimens. Like the Osgus and Mankind, they're also a predator species with an inherent drive for competition. You suspect they would make an early-game spectacle in the Jumpcrawl tournaments and for that matter, likely enjoy themselves doing it. Or at least, experience prolonged mukva. The ISL would certainly embrace them with open arms and tentacles.

Also considerable is their territorial instinct. More specifically, their hideously massive fortifications. To have managed this over the centuries they must have picked up a few tricks of the trade, which Mankind may have missed. You've also noticed a complete lack of holo-tech throughout this entire complex. Considering how much use it's been for the Empire over the years, this is a rather glaring oversight. Perhaps an exchange could be arranged.

You discuss both with Yolonko, and find the typical stiff formalities are largely absent. After a lifetime in the imperial court, it's rather refreshing. Although you have high hopes and there isn't much tension here, you also know there are no guarantees in politics.

>Roll 1d6+2 for Mukvir membership in the ISL. +1 [Knowledge (Mukvir)], +1 [Personal Friendship]
>Roll 1d6+2 for technological exchange. +1 [Knowledge (Mukvir)], +1 [Personal Friendship]
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5917436
The Mandate isn't made up, what it's describing isn't at least. And they will be on the Throne until they fuck themselves up really bad true, that's a truth that future Heinrichs will do well to remember.

>>5917444
ISL.. uh
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>>5917450
Damn you fucking dice!
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Rolled 1 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5917434
One of the reason why Jeanne married Otto is so that she could mend relations with the Solutons Kek. Also Karl is a good natured man if his childhood activities were anything to go by, despite his Nightshayd status and so I think he will be happy with her. Also, Alphonse was Otto but naval and yet he and Anna were great, so I think Karl will be fine, plus he is handsome since he is a Heinrich.
>>5917444
Fuck it, imma roll for tech trade
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>>5917450
>>5917453
DIIIIIIICEEEEEE
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>>5917453
>back to back
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>>5917453
>>5917450
get fucked lmao
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>>5917453
Sorry anons, I will not be rolling ever again
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>>5917450
>>5917453
You know it's even funnier the second time it happens.
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>>5917459
You said that last time and I think several times before that.
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>>5917463
I was remembering around that
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Rolled 4 + 2 (1d6 + 2)

>>5917444
Just to show anons how to properly roll
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>>5917473
Maybe the real rolls, were the friends we made along the way?
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>>5917450
>>5917453
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>this unlucky
>this late into our life
Welp... we had a good run.
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>>5917444
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>>5917457
Such a great quest.
QM, you have really been too lenient. This is three, 3, critfails for the same race in the same conversation with the same person within presumably 8 hours. I hope you are able to fully actualize the consequences of such a massive failure on the part of the anon's rolls.
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>>5917457
Yeah, crits are too common on d6's. I know you've been going for a while now, but surely it wouldn't be too disruptive to switch to something like a d10? Maybe a d12 and double all the modifiers so it can transition smoothly.
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Let's hope that Personal Friendship bonus saves us.

>>5917500
Maybe that's why the penalties haven't been that severe?
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>>5917503
crit fails ignore all bonuses
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>>5917508
I mean in a more narrative sense than mechanical.
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>>5917450
>>5917453
Your initial conversation with Yolonko is mutually energetic but as it progresses, the plant's body language gets increasingly uncertain of itself. After another hour, the advisor takes a deep puff of its pipe and passes it to you, using one of its dry bottom tendrils. You have no idea where to place the expression it's conveying.

"These... ritual combats uv Humuns es... veeery mukva, Eemproor Alben... es juuust, es... umm, for Mukvir, these es usually precursor for thorns getting pollen."

Uhh, you're not sure you like where this is going. You glance down at the pipe.

>Smoke the plant's concoction.
>Politely refuse to partake.

The Mukvir goes on. "Uv... large -group- es un ritual combat... und es... shown... ah... to millions..."

A realization of what the plant's saying dawns on you. Ohhh.

"Eet... would be scandal. You see? Es bad look un Mukvun Court und Codex Galaxias Historia remember Yolonko es PERVERT. Not do-able. Nooope."

You think on it for a minute and try to keep your body language as neutral as possible. You've been hanging on this bar for little over hours now and your arms are going into a gridlock. "That's... understandable. What about the technological exchange?"

The Mukvir makes its species' thrashing equivalent of a shrug. "Eet... es state secrets. Ay es sorry, Mukvir do not trust Humuns yet. Maybe ever. Defenses es life, cannot give secrets away."

You frown. "What... about the holo-tech?"

The advisor scratches its back. Or its rear area, as it lacks a spine. "Ehh... No. Not that... holo-tech es bad, es... not good for Mukvir. Eyes do not need detail. Es mukva trick, es just not our thing."

Yolonko closes its mouth and blinks slowly at you. A sign of social tension. "Eet... maybe best uv Humuns und Mukvir es just trade. Maybe... until Ukkuv spins out of orbit."

Ouch. You frown at the alien, but it warbles wordlessly to itself. You go to hand it back its pipe, which it takes from you as its body spasms while the tendrils remain still. A sigh. "Es... funny "joke," yeah?"

The awkwardness is palpable. The Royal Guard are both frozen in place. You'll have them sworn to silence later.

"Ehh... Eemproor Alben, uv Humuns. Ay do not think... there es much left to say here. Es best uv you go. Now."

You leave the plant to its own devices. The feeling of dread is unmistakable. Things were going perfectly but you misinterpreted a few key parts of Mukvir physiology, causing your efforts at reaching out to the plants to bomb at the very end.

Relations with the Mukvir are now cold, and progress isn't likely for the foreseeable future!

>Reforms coming soon as my mobile's about to die on me.
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THE FOOOOOOOOOOOOD
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>>5917525
Eh doesn’t seem so bad, I think I will roll again
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>>5917542
No, it's fair to say that you have done quite enough.
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>>5917525
poor Albin just having his lifelong dreams crushed by abominable luck right at the last moment
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>>5917525
>Smoke the plant's concoction.
It would be rude to refuse the boof.
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>>5917544
I’m going to roll for the reforms
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>>5917525
>Smoke the plant's concoction
While not *that* bad so far this is the furthest this quest has taken me to wanting to punch both the dice and my computer which is the slight fist clench and imagining doing it stage. Give Albin the fucking weed.
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>>5917525
I misread that spoiler as mother at first.

Albin should know whats in the spacedank right? Will it seriously hurt him?
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>>5917525

>"These... ritual combats uv Humuns es... veeery mukva, Eemproor Alben... es juuust, es... umm, for Mukvir, these es usually precursor for thorns getting pollen."
If we had rolled high on the IFL would the Mukvir have been... into it?
That would be an interesting dynamic where to humans its sports but to the Mukvir its basically softcore porn.
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>>5917525
>>Politely refuse to partake.
Winners don't do drugs.
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>>5917556
If it killed or hurt him we would retroactively avoid the second part of the conversation saving both us and Albin from a ton of psychological pain so really it's a win win.
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>>5917561
We ain't winners today anon we are losers, and losers do all the drugs.
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>>5917562

Tbh this entire conversation has gone better than I had hoped
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>>5917525
>IMMA HIT THE WEED IMMA HIT THE BOOF YEAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYD11HwSyUI
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>>5917567

You know it’s sort of fucked up that the plant aliens are smoking plant matter.

What if humans got high by flamebroiling chimpanzee meat and inhaling the fumes? Sort of equivalent…
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>>5917564
>we're not high on life
>we're just losers
It's so over.
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>>5917571
I mean, we eat animals all the time.

Also I heard Giraffe bones can get you geeked
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>>5917525
>>5917561
Switching vote to the superior option
>Smoke the plant's concoction.
This is a dark day.
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>>5917525
>Politely refuse to partake.
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>>5917500
I think a better idea would be to make it so emperors can't crit fail (aka the modifiers don't matter thing) rolls that go with whatever their main niche/trait is. So a emperor who spent a shite ton of time simping and learning about aliens or a emperor who spent all their time studying the blade won't as easily just miss important details or fall on their own sword.
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>>5917590
i like this
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>>5917496
This set the Empire back with the Mukvir, pretty massively. Short of future luck or some serious overtures, the most the Empire will be getting out of them is the current trade agreement. I don't think of myself as a lenient QM but I'm not concerned with difficulty either. Maintaining a sense of verisimilitude is what's most important to me. The Tripartite could and would have conquered Mars and seen Albin's head on a stake if you hadn't gotten lucky, although Zachariah III did plan to reduce Heinrich to a minor house and leave it with a core and two frontier worlds.

>>5917500
That's a fair point. I've been going with the d6 because it's swingy and makes for unpredictable circumstances, but a d12 with bonuses would work excellently, and I don't have a strong opinion on it myself. I think I'll have a vote for it at the start of Otto's reign, in thread #3. This should be the last set of rolls for this thread, unless you go in a sudden ambitious direction with the final years of Albin's reign.

>>5917503
The [Personal Friendship] prevented a diplomatic shitshow and kept channels of diplomacy marginally open. From the alien's perspective, it was incredibly thrown off by the bizarre but mostly agreeable primate's suggestion the courts have their servants join in their preliminary gladiatorial orgy broadcasts and give up state secrets for a data format they're unable to use.

As for bonuses, that's for the most part due to you collectively playing smart and stacking the deck in your favour beforehand. Outside of Alphonse's early reign, you've collectively been quite cautious.

>>5917556
Albin has no idea. He knows the Mukvir have a loosely compatible biochemistry but the reaction between different species to the same chemicals can be divergent even with the same biosphere. Across entirely separate evolutionary origins? There's no predicting what could happen. It might be nothing, it might be highly toxic, it might be no worse than a fistful of caffeine pills. Because Albin's been smelling the smoke for the last several hours, it's safe to assume it at least isn't immediately lethal.
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>>5917616
Following up on the Tripartite tangent- their victory would've resulted in the extinction of Emperor Alphonse's bloodline and therefore, Game Over.

>>5917558
Essentially, yes. Alien psychology is bizarre and frequently causes radical divergence in views toward the same subject, even within the same, overarching culture. Yolonko itself is somewhat restrained toward displays of hedonism as far as the Mukvir go. With their stranglehold on the future of their species and no external opposition, the scants of the courts have sunk to an internal culture that's libertine at best, debauched at worst. Of course, as they're plants, most of the nuances are lost on mammals.

>>5917590
Generally, if a crit-fail happens to a specialist, they're undone by circumstances out of their control. An example of a swordsman Emperor crit-failing would be slipping on mud or catching a bullet from outside the radius of their duel. That said, that's already largely in place. Crit-fails within a character's specialty tend to be much easier to recover from than if they'd happened to a novice. The more I think about it, the more I'm liking the d12 idea. Adds a sense of granularity to things, maybe. I'll think about it some more.
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>>5917618
Oh huh. For some reason I always figured we were running on EU4 ruoes rather than Crusader Kings so we would always have the option to keep going as long as the empire is alive. Eternal Empire and all that. Also good to know specialist recovery is a thing.
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>>5917625
*rules but yeah thanks for the communication I and I'm sure many other anons really appreciate it.
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You partook of Yolonko’s pipe with little hesitation. At the time, you thought nothing of it. Rather heady fumes and dense, resting thickness in the roof of your mouth, but as you disembark…

It starts to hit you.

The Royal Guard catch you under the shoulders as you fall and take you… somewhere… but you have no conception of this. In an instant, your mind is the clearest it has ever been, of a crisp and vicious clarity you can’t relay in words. The whole of the cosmos is opened up to you, as you look up in a daze, the stars unfurl into a kaleidoscope of wonders and horrors. You feel yourself lifting, as though your body weren’t even there.

You ascend into the chasm between the stars and there, taste fractal madness beyond reckoning. It is enlightenment and ignorance, it is the ultimate, zenith and nadir of the soul. You are lost in the repellent beauty of that other place, writhing in ecstatic misery without end or escape for what can only be years. In the tormented quietude, you are laid open and forced to embrace and embattle the deepest, darkest recesses of your psyche, just to forget it all.

When you come to, you’re laying in your personal quarters on the ‘Anna’s Hand’ with a pounding headache. According to the clock, it has been forty-eight hours and you’re still seeing shadows in the corner of your eyes. The Mukvir… those pipes aren’t to be trifled with.
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>>5917642
As much as you would like to curl into a fetal position and hold yourself there indefinitely, you are the Emperor. There are duties to be taken care of. The enacting of reforms! The marriage of Karl to Beatrice or Irina, too, you haven’t decided which, maybe you’ll even let him decide… But mostly reforms! You issue an imperial decree, gathering the leadership of the noble houses in the imperial court on Mars!

Here, you’ll be presenting your new reforms, issued in the recognition of the Eternal Empire’s victory over the Tripartite!

Of course, you've spent years revising them with the help of the Empire’s finest scholars and bureaucrats beforehand.

Which reforms did you want to enact? With House Heinrich’s current clout and the elimination of rivals, you estimate you could reliably push anywhere from four-to-six major reforms, depending on their significance. You could attempt more, but then there would be some uncertainty regarding which would stick. Most efficient to keep the Empire focused, but then, you are the Emperor and your word is law.

>Supremacy of House Heinrich. The unique significance of the Heinrich bloodline must be enshrined in imperial law. It must be made obvious to the masses that House Heinrich rules because it is manifestly superior. The lesser nobility will be infuriated by this, but that is of no consequence, so long as they obey.
>Codification of Imperial Rule. At the moment, House Heinrich is in power because it holds the throne on Mars. It must be declared that Heinrich is in fact the one true legitimate ruling dynasty, to take precedent over every other house. This won't be a controversial move whatsoever, as all previous dynasties did this at some point.
>Mandate of the Cosmos. The rule of Heinrich is more than happenstance, it is the will of the transcendent human spirit! House Heinrich rules because it is destined to and always has been, with all lesser dynasties culminating in its triumphant reign. Such overt mystical thinking will disturb the other houses but once it takes root, it may spark heightened loyalty in the masses.
>Draft a Constitution. For the subjects of the Empire, the word of the Emperor technically is the law and there’s no need for documentation. For the historical record and sake of keeping future Emperors on the same track, it would be prudent to enshrine a single, brief but dense text thoroughly explaining the Eternal Empire’s overarching legislation and goals, both as a state and for its peoples.
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>>5917645
>Expand the Bureaucracy. There is far too little oversight in the territories of the Empire, the nobles simply do as they will and answer to no-one. The existing imperial bureaucracy shall be expanded and form a parallel government to the various planetary nobilities, deferent to and supportive of their sovereignty, but ever-enacting the distant will of the throne.
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy. Only a minority of worlds have planetary governors and there, they are relegated to a role as mediators. This is an unacceptable state of affairs. Every planet must receive a governor and their authority must be third, subservient only to their rightful noble lords and the Emperor over them.
>New Rules of Succession. The system of patrilineal primogeniture has worked well but is too inconsistent to stand the test of time. Otto shall remain imperial heir, and a method for determining heirs to the throne in the future shall be devised.
>Merger of the Houses. If House Heinrich were the only house, its power would be uncontested. To that end, provisions for combining other lineages into House Heinrich will be put into place. This is almost certain to alarm the lesser nobles, who will see it as an attempt to centralize power.
>Noble Public Forum. There is currently no means for nobles to voice their concerns short of private dialogues and open violence. Inspiration shall be taken from the Federation and an establishment on Mars formed, a place where representatives of the noble houses can loudly voice their concerns. Ideally, this will minimize the risk of violence while changing nothing about the status quo. All it needs is a name. Landstaat/Landsraad? Martian Senate? It warrants further contemplation.
>Noble Privy Council. Each of the noble houses is, at its core, separate from the Empire and its institutions. In an effort to change this, select representatives of the noble houses will be invited to serve the legacy of old Earth more directly. This should improve the loyalty of the nobility towards the throne while enhancing its faculties.
>Noble Youth Education: In an effort to centralize authority, each noble house will be required to send its current and potential heirs to Mars, where they'll be tutored in the fundamentals of rule. This is really a means of preventing the noble houses from rebelling by holding their children hostage and is bound to be unpopular, but there may yet be some other, subtler benefits to this.
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>>5917647
>Ban of Democracy. The masses lack the wisdom and discipline to guide themselves, and allowing rule by consensus is folly that can only lead to ruin. Voting by commoners in its myriad, insidious forms shall be recognized as the venomous treason it is and punished accordingly. This will be wildly popular with the nobility, so much so it could be considered trivial and functionally effort-free to implement, but stubborn subsets of the masses are bound to resent this, even when it is done for their own sake.
>Proscriptions Against Corruption: For now, the Empire’s bureaucracy and institutions have been reasonably upright and transparent in their dealings. Given that this period is certain not to last forever, it may be best to put countermeasures for illegitimate bribery, scheming, and lobbying into place ahead of time.
>Environmental Protections. Damage done to the beautiful ecosystems of the galaxy as a consequence of Mankind's rightful expansion must be kept to a bare minimum. To that end, the misuse of land shall be considered aggression to the Empire and punished by escalating taxes and, if ignored, more corporeal means. As the throne is reasonable, there shall be a brief grace period to retool industries, but no longer.
>Economic Regulations. The economy has been doing well enough considering the recent civil war but it lacks structure. Measures should be taken to protect the market from price-fixing and plagiarism, to break stagnancy before it sets in by encouraging a dynamic and vigorous flow of commerce.
>Currency Standardizations. While many transactions in the Empire are done through imperial credits, most planets have their own coins or credit-variants and many frontier regions rely on barter to get by. Converting different denominations isn't a serious issue but it is one more inefficiency to be corrected. Most nobles will be ambivalent to this and the merchants widely supportive, but an outcry from planetary localists is likely.
>Justice Standardizations. Martian law is the default template for legal systems across the Empire, but most planets deviate from it and the nobility often declares their own petty civic legislation. This has led to a great degree of inconsistency, which in turn leaves the Empire less united. Uprooting the current status quo will be messy and tedious, but the end result of a strong, singular legal code may be worthwhile.
>Logistical Standardizations. It goes without saying that the Empire uses the imperial system, but most planets still insist on their own trivial measurements. It isn't a serious problem, but the constant conversions to-and-from local systems is an annoyance for multi-planetary projects that has gone on for too long.
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>>5917650
>Formalize Research. The Empire has been in technological stagnancy for generations and the fatal error of Matthieu De Croize demonstrates that there exist weapons beyond the pale, which Mankind can and must be prepared to fight. It would be easiest to have the Order of Erudition handle this, but a new ministry is also possible.
>Formalize Exploration. Otto's time in the Lost Reaches, for all of his struggles, found almost nothing from a galactic view. The sheer scale of the cosmos requires a substantial organization which can venture into the void and report back what they find. Such an organization will need part of the imperial navy to defend itself beyond the Empire's borders, but this is a small price to pay. It will also need a name.
>Formalize Propaganda. The throne is nothing without the masses marching as one to enact their ruler’s will, and for their rule to be most effective, the masses must share their will in turn. A new ministry will be founded to study media and subtler means of coercing the population into proper obedience.
>Formalize Xenodiplomacy. Alien species are radically divergent from Mankind and our expectations for intelligence. If the Empire is to conduct diplomacy with nonhumans, it would behoove it to have a panel of learned experts to fall back on. Most distrust nonhumans and this would be met with scrutiny, but the potential benefits speak for themselves.
>Strengthen the Borders. The system defense fleets are widely viewed as a minor part of the navy, overlooked and forgotten. Against minor incidents of pirate scum and alien interlopers they fare well enough, but are nigh-powerless against serious aggression which merits the throne’s attention. They shall be reinforced and given the prestige their duties deserve. Garrisoning the frontier will reduce the imperial navy available for campaigns abroad, but a quick response against domestic hostiles is priceless.
>Corporate Restrictions. The Major Houses are one thing, the Corps are quite another. Their pursuit of monopolies, ceaseless rivalry, and jockeying for influence over the economy must be curtailed. They are too substantial to erase, at least as of yet, but the limit to their powers must be defined, lest the depredations of the Merchant Holdings be repeated.
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>>5917652
>Limits on House Retinues. The Tripartite Entente demonstrates that the naval might of its constituent noble houses represents a direct and tangible danger to the Empire. To that end, noble houses must receive a license from the throne to construct or purchase fleets beyond a minimum. This is certain to be unpopular and ignored by every noble house which isn't allied to the throne, but it will put a clear limit on their power, beyond which they can be crushed.
>Limits on Mercenary Charters. The mercenaries of the Empire are a serious risk to imperial security that must be addressed. By law, mercenaries will be required to report their tonnage, contracts, and intentions to the imperial bureaucracy, and noble houses which intend to hire them for their own purposes must first receive permission from the throne. The consequences for flouting these regulations shall be strict and uncompromising.
>Protections of Commoners. Serfdom may have been outlawed to prevent more mass uprisings but commoners are still vulnerable to the whims of their noble masters. As is proper, of course, but it's sensible to put down limitations so they aren't overly exploited by aristocrats who've forgotten their duties to Mankind.
>Welfare of Commoners. Just as the masses rely on the Empire to guide them, it's fitting that the masses rely on the Empire to feed and care for them also. The initial investment would be massive, but gaining the material dependency of the masses could entrench imperial power more deeply than words ever could. Funds aside, there's always the possibility an equilibrium could be reached through higher taxes.
>Elevation of Commoners. The nobility are above the commoners in every legal respect, but there are many exceptional individuals who, by tragic mistake of birth, are amongst the teeming masses. Rather than risk them rabble-rousing, a formal system for proven commoners to petition noble houses for adoption shall be introduced. This is already happening but publicizing it would make it more palatable for the masses. Better they think of the nobility as an approachable guiding hand than an insurmountable obstacle to be overthrown.
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>>5917655
>Protection of Nobles. As a general rule of thumb, nobles are protected from abuse by the strength of their house. Little of this is codified, however, and it may appease the aristocracy if they feel they were remembered by the throne. Especially those Minor Houses which lack fleets of their own.
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles. House Heinrich has been the imperial dynasty for a short time period, but have already spread across the various houses. Given the royal bloodline's apparent tendency to bear daughters, it may behoove Heinrich to declare all matrilineal descendants legal members of their house, should they accept it. This would subvert and enrage the noble houses, but it would also increase the numbers and influence of House Heinrich.
>Protection of Aliens. Nonhuman species aren't human but they are sapient and warrant consideration. Those aliens which the Empire has relations with will be given the basic right to life and avoidance of forced labour, unless the throne should deem it necessary in the future.

Keep in mind, these are only a few of the many, many possibilities for reform. Feel free to ignore them entirely to substitute your own, and to edit and rename these as necessary. The more detail gone into here, the better.
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>>5917645
>Codification of Imperial Rule.
>Noble Public Forum
>Strengthen the Borders
Three simple reforms which won't rock the boat too hard (or at all) and give us more room to instigate heavier and more important reforms, though I would suggest we not host the Landsraad on Mars and instead on a more neutral location, for example a Core world of one of the Minor/Martial houses in as close proximity to Mars as possible.

>Justice Standardizations
A strong unified legal code will be neccessary to ensure everyone, both commoner and noble, is treated fairly under Imperial Rule. We could also add some small additional protections for the masses in this new unified code to get some extra brownie points from the population if we so choose.
>Formalize Research
Should ideally be placed under it's own ministry to not dilute the focus of the OoE, but this new ministry and the OoE could freely shuffle members between them if need be. The OoE, as the educators of the Empire, should also pick up and groom exceptional talent for the new Research ministry if it finds it.
>Currency Standardizations
Eliminate inefficencies in trade and economy to smooth out the process of moving capital.
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>>5917645
>Codification of Imperial Rule. At the moment, House Heinrich is in power because it holds the throne on Mars. It must be declared that Heinrich is in fact the one true legitimate ruling dynasty, to take precedent over every other house. This won't be a controversial move whatsoever, as all previous dynasties did this at some point.

>>5917647
>Expand the Bureaucracy. There is far too little oversight in the territories of the Empire, the nobles simply do as they will and answer to no-one. The existing imperial bureaucracy shall be expanded and form a parallel government to the various planetary nobilities, deferent to and supportive of their sovereignty, but ever-enacting the distant will of the throne.
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy. Only a minority of worlds have planetary governors and there, they are relegated to a role as mediators. This is an unacceptable state of affairs. Every planet must receive a governor and their authority must be third, subservient only to their rightful noble lords and the Emperor over them.
>New Rules of Succession. The system of patrilineal primogeniture has worked well but is too inconsistent to stand the test of time. Otto shall remain imperial heir, and a method for determining heirs to the throne in the future shall be devised.
>Noble Public Forum. There is currently no means for nobles to voice their concerns short of private dialogues and open violence. Inspiration shall be taken from the Federation and an establishment on Mars formed, a place where representatives of the noble houses can loudly voice their concerns. Ideally, this will minimize the risk of violence while changing nothing about the status quo. All it needs is a name. Landstaat/Landsraad? Martian Senate? It warrants further contemplation.

>>5917650
>Environmental Protections. Damage done to the beautiful ecosystems of the galaxy as a consequence of Mankind's rightful expansion must be kept to a bare minimum. To that end, the misuse of land shall be considered aggression to the Empire and punished by escalating taxes and, if ignored, more corporeal means. As the throne is reasonable, there shall be a brief grace period to retool industries, but no longer
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>>5917625
That was my assumption starting off the initial thread, but trying to climb back into the throne of the Eternal Empire from nothing sounds like it could be fun. I figure I'll leave it to a vote if, or more accurately, when House Heinrich is deposed as a ruling dynasty.
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>>5917645
>Mandate of the Cosmos. The rule of Heinrich is more than happenstance, it is the will of the transcendent human spirit! House Heinrich rules because it is destined to and always has been, with all lesser dynasties culminating in its triumphant reign. Such overt mystical thinking will disturb the other houses but once it takes root, it may spark heightened loyalty in the masses.

We ARE the Empire - and always will be

>>5917647
>Expand the Bureaucracy. There is far too little oversight in the territories of the Empire, the nobles simply do as they will and answer to no-one. The existing imperial bureaucracy shall be expanded and form a parallel government to the various planetary nobilities, deferent to and supportive of their sovereignty, but ever-enacting the distant will of the throne.

>Noble Privy Council. Each of the noble houses is, at its core, separate from the Empire and its institutions. In an effort to change this, select representatives of the noble houses will be invited to serve the legacy of old Earth more directly. This should improve the loyalty of the nobility towards the throne while enhancing its faculties.

A Public Forum is far too ‘democratic’ - this provides a noble voice in the background, and helps strengthen the public role of the Throne

>>5917650
>Justice Standardizations. Martian law is the default template for legal systems across the Empire, but most planets deviate from it and the nobility often declares their own petty civic legislation. This has led to a great degree of inconsistency, which in turn leaves the Empire less united. Uprooting the current status quo will be messy and tedious, but the end result of a strong, singular legal code may be worthwhile.

More important than the rest - a common rule of law is essential for commerce and civilisation

>>5917652
>Formalize Research. The Empire has been in technological stagnancy for generations and the fatal error of Matthieu De Croize demonstrates that there exist weapons beyond the pale, which Mankind can and must be prepared to fight. It would be easiest to have the Order of Erudition handle this, but a new ministry is also possible.

Stagnancy is death - get the Order to do it

>>5917655
>Elevation of Commoners. The nobility are above the commoners in every legal respect, but there are many exceptional individuals who, by tragic mistake of birth, are amongst the teeming masses. Rather than risk them rabble-rousing, a formal system for proven commoners to petition noble houses for adoption shall be introduced. This is already happening but publicizing it would make it more palatable for the masses. Better they think of the nobility as an approachable guiding hand than an insurmountable obstacle to be overthrown.

Good safety valve for discontent
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>>5917656
I know this isn't really in line with the vote itself but I tried to synthesize the desires of all of the parties that want to make reforms (save for something that can't be reconciled like 'why' House Heinrich should be the Imperial Family). Hopefully I was able to find a good compromise.
I'll try to vote for this itself later.

>Bureaucracy:
>Create a stronger bureaucracy, tie in the Order of Erudition with it to ensure loyalty.
>Anti-democracy will be emphasized and codified within all strands of the government, and will be part of a grander Imperial Philosophy for the Empire that is deeply inspired by Confucian and Muslim/Bahai thought.
>Attempt to centralize the government more in ways that won't majorly cause negative effects to our reputation with the nobility.

>Economy:
>Create a Commission that will be best described to help competition, free trade within the Empire, and prevent the stagnation of monopolies.
>In practice this institution will help with influencing the economic abilities of rivals in a way that House Nightshayd has long been requesting be implemented.
>Ultimately it will answer to the government and therefore be directly subject to the Emperor's will.

>Landsraad/Landräte Privy Council:
>This will be a way for the nobility to bring any complaints they have in an orderly and streamlined fashion.
>Noble rights and hierarchies will be held but not formally codified.
>Representation of both the higher and lower parts of the nobility will be seen to.
>Have the Emperor be appointed Chief Justice, a position with executive power.
>Legally give the Noble Houses a way to “advise” us. Superficially this will legitimize the voices of the Noble Houses while in practice the Landräte have no power aside from what we give them.
>Staff it with the heirs of the Houses. This gives it some authority while letting us hold our rival’s heirs as pseudo hostages. By separating the heirs from their planets it weakens their direct control over them and lets our governors fill in the power gap.
Suggestions include having the Landräte be both the heirs AND the heads of houses but others may think it too extreme (a stance I also take but will put here for reference, and not as part of the vote itself). Also potentially invert it by having the heads be on Mars and the heirs stay on their worlds but in practice that might lead to the heirs just taking power early, which could prove counter productive to our influence.
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>>5917792
Some misc refroms that I fear I can't fit anywhere without causing too much strain on Albin himself (or are more suited for propagandists and bureaucrats to administrate) include: creating a mythos for House Heinrich, essentially proclaming the Emperor is the supreme defender of the lands and peoples of Humanity and shall ensure the livelihood of both. Establishing our the Emperor and the Imperial family as the legitimate rulers of the Empire. Having successors be chosen by the current living Emperor and being part of House Heinrich as a requirement, yet they must be skillful and adequate enough to rule in order to take power (in the case that there is no issue/child to take the throne, the prerogatives of rule shall pass to the member of the family named by the Emperor as Heir Apparent).
I personally wanted to improve Commoner Rights, make more Enviromental Protections, and maybe even make nods to respect and tolerate alien species, but I realize it might be too much.
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>>5917656
>Draft a Constitution.
While I like Codification of Imperial Rule, it can be done by any Emperor after us (since it's common for every dynasty that takes power to proclaim it). This here is a rare opportunity.
Although I'd be willing to change this part of the vote to either Mandate of the Cosmos or Supremacy of Imperial Rule if necessary.
>Expand the Bureaucracy.
This is a larger part of what people want and helps centralize power without fully alarming the nobility.
>Noble Public Forum.
Has been mostly been supported by other people and could prove useful. It taking 'inspiration' from the Federation is worrying for our legitimacy though.
>Ban of Democracy. The masses lack the wisdom and discipline to guide themselves, and allowing rule by consensus is folly that can only lead to ruin. Voting by commoners in its myriad, insidious forms shall be recognized as the venomous treason it is and punished accordingly. This will be wildly popular with the nobility, so much so it could be considered trivial and functionally effort-free to implement, but stubborn subsets of the masses are bound to resent this, even when it is done for their own sake.
>Formalize Propaganda. The throne is nothing without the masses marching as one to enact their ruler’s will, and for their rule to be most effective, the masses must share their will in turn. A new ministry will be founded to study media and subtler means of coercing the population into proper obedience.
>Elevation of Commoners. The nobility are above the commoners in every legal respect, but there are many exceptional individuals who, by tragic mistake of birth, are amongst the teeming masses. Rather than risk them rabble-rousing, a formal system for proven commoners to petition noble houses for adoption shall be introduced. This is already happening but publicizing it would make it more palatable for the masses. Better they think of the nobility as an approachable guiding hand than an insurmountable obstacle to be overthrown.
These last three are important in order to ensure there isn't any conceiving of 'maybe the Federation were right' or another assassination of the Emperor, considering the nature of the Landsraad.
I especially think that we must codify a ban on democracy no matter what we do in order to keep power for the Heinrichs, the other two social reforms (Elevate the Commoners especially) are here to soften the blow.
While I'd be willing to change the Propaganda reform to something else, I think it's needed to get rid of the curse of the propagandist's incompetency kek

There are people voting for Research/Environment/Currency/Border Defense and I know that these reforms are important, but I feel like we can do them in a later date. Otto will probably be all on board with expanding the borders, his wife will likely support research standardization, and any Emperor can do currency standardization. While environmentalism is probably best suited for Albin, there's just so many priorities.
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>>5917647
>Codification of Imperial Rule. At the moment, House Heinrich is in power because it holds the throne on Mars. It must be declared that Heinrich is in fact the one true legitimate ruling dynasty, to take precedent over every other house. This won't be a controversial move whatsoever, as all previous dynasties did this at some point.

>Expand the Bureaucracy. There is far too little oversight in the territories of the Empire, the nobles simply do as they will and answer to no-one. The existing imperial bureaucracy shall be expanded and form a parallel government to the various planetary nobilities, deferent to and supportive of their sovereignty, but ever-enacting the distant will of the throne.

>New Rules of Succession. The system of patrilineal primogeniture has worked well but is too inconsistent to stand the test of time. Otto shall remain imperial heir, and a method for determining heirs to the throne in the future shall be devised.

>Noble Privy Council. Each of the noble houses is, at its core, separate from the Empire and its institutions. In an effort to change this, select representatives of the noble houses will be invited to serve the legacy of old Earth more directly. This should improve the loyalty of the nobility towards the throne while enhancing its faculties.

>Currency Standardizations. While many transactions in the Empire are done through imperial credits, most planets have their own coins or credit-variants and many frontier regions rely on barter to get by. Converting different denominations isn't a serious issue but it is one more inefficiency to be corrected. Most nobles will be ambivalent to this and the merchants widely supportive, but an outcry from planetary localists is likely.

>Strengthen the Borders. The system defense fleets are widely viewed as a minor part of the navy, overlooked and forgotten. Against minor incidents of pirate scum and alien interlopers they fare well enough, but are nigh-powerless against serious aggression which merits the throne’s attention. They shall be reinforced and given the prestige their duties deserve. Garrisoning the frontier will reduce the imperial navy available for campaigns abroad, but a quick response against domestic hostiles is priceless.
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>>5917645
>>5917814
+1
Can we get a new thread soon? This one is lagging for me.
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>>5917647
>Merger of the Houses
Like 90% of my political concerns were threats from other houses, if we can just.. get rid of them we have no need for most of any of the other reforms
>New Rules of Succession. The system of patrilineal primogeniture has worked well but is too inconsistent to stand the test of time. Otto shall remain imperial heir, and a method for determining heirs to the throne in the future shall be devised.
We have been having very well stated kids going to waste. This will let us keep rolling until we get godstat kids to make emperoror

Everything else we can just enact via regular law once we are the only Noble house.
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>>5917645
>Mandate of the Cosmos.
Space Japan here we come.

>>5917647
>Expand the Bureaucracy.
>Noble Privy Council.

>>5917650
>Ban of Democracy

>>5917652
>Formalize Propaganda.

>>5917655
>Elevation of Commoners.
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>>5917645
>Codification of Imperial Rule. At the moment, House Heinrich is in power because it holds the throne on Mars. It must be declared that Heinrich is in fact the one true legitimate ruling dynasty, to take precedent over every other house. This won't be a controversial move whatsoever, as all previous dynasties did this at some point.
Since everyone has done it
>>5917647
>Expand the Bureaucracy. There is far too little oversight in the territories of the Empire, the nobles simply do as they will and answer to no-one. The existing imperial bureaucracy shall be expanded and form a parallel government to the various planetary nobilities, deferent to and supportive of their sovereignty, but ever-enacting the distant will of the throne.
>Noble Public Forum. There is currently no means for nobles to voice their concerns short of private dialogues and open violence. Inspiration shall be taken from the Federation and an establishment on Mars formed, a place where representatives of the noble houses can loudly voice their concerns. Ideally, this will minimize the risk of violence while changing nothing about the status quo. All it needs is a name. Landstaat/Landsraad? Martian Senate? It warrants further contemplation.
>Noble Privy Council. Each of the noble houses is, at its core, separate from the Empire and its institutions. In an effort to change this, select representatives of the noble houses will be invited to serve the legacy of old Earth more directly. This should improve the loyalty of the nobility towards the throne while enhancing its faculties.
Why not both? Like an upper and lower level.
>>5917650
>Economic Regulations. The economy has been doing well enough considering the recent civil war but it lacks structure. Measures should be taken to protect the market from price-fixing and plagiarism, to break stagnancy before it sets in by encouraging a dynamic and vigorous flow of commerce.
>Currency Standardizations. While many transactions in the Empire are done through imperial credits, most planets have their own coins or credit-variants and many frontier regions rely on barter to get by. Converting different denominations isn't a serious issue but it is one more inefficiency to be corrected. Most nobles will be ambivalent to this and the merchants widely supportive, but an outcry from planetary localists is likely.
Economy must be kept safe and profitable
>>5917652
>Formalize Research. The Empire has been in technological stagnancy for generations and the fatal error of Matthieu De Croize demonstrates that there exist weapons beyond the pale, which Mankind can and must be prepared to fight. It would be easiest to have the Order of Erudition handle this, but a new ministry is also possible.
We need this
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>>5917645
>Draft a Constitution.
Why are people supporting codifying Imperial rule? The other options are more specialized and better to do now that we have post civil war clout .Any emperor can codify Imperial rule, it literally says every dynasty that takes power does it.

>>5917647
>Expand the Bureaucracy.
>New Rules of Succession.
>Noble Privy Council.

>>5917650
>Ban of Democracy.

>>5917655
>Elevation of Commoners.

The rest of the reforms we can do later. These are the most time sensitive with Albin's leadership that have any chance of winning.
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>>5917645
>Mandate of the Cosmos
>>5917647
>Expand the Bureaucracy
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy
>Noble Public Forum
>Noble Privy Council
>Noble Youth Education

>>5917814
I think these are more important. Anthing that doesn't have to do with the major power brokers of the Empire can wait.
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>>5917916
I feel like a combination of 'Strengthen the Bureaucracy' and 'Noble Youth Education' is going to tank our relations with all the nobles. Meanwhile the Upper/Lower Council will give ex-Federation radicals more of a feeling that they were right all along (and could be worse if it gives the nobility a means to organize against the Emperor). A worse case scenario here would be that we alienate both the nobility and the masses, the bureaucracy is too young and small to fully rely on yet. Maybe if we combine either stronger bureaucracy or noble youth education with anti-democracy it'll cancel out any anger from the nobility? Though we'd still have to contend with the masses, but then again giving them some more elevation or tax reduction later down the line could appease them.
These are just some concerns of mine, I'm willing to reach a compromise with my vote.
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>>5917924
I don't think Strengthen the Bureaucracy will piss the nobles off and having a council of nobles doesn't vindicate Federation radicals. Anti democracy comes naturally with the Mandate of the Cosmos.

The masses will be fine since we can do Elevation and the post war Tax Relief plan plus some more reforms that will please the merchants.
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>>5917928
I agree that we can probably appease the commoners in the future after we do these reforms, and putting in elevating commoners just seems like a good idea in general. But having a system where 'Every planet must receive a governor and their authority must be third, subservient only to their rightful noble lords and the Emperor over them.' could easily be seen as an open attempt for the Emperor to centralize more power to House Heinrich.
And I wouldn't say that anti-democracy comes naturally in the Mandate since it could take many different forms depending on the shape House Heinrich takes. Either way if we add anti-democracy it'll at the very least distract the nobles while we make more centralizing reforms.

As for vindicating radicals, all I know is that if I was an ex-Federation commoner and I heard that the Empire was putting enacting an important reform 'inspired' by the Federation I'd smile knowing I was right and they needed to concede in the end. At least that's what I'd do if there wasn't a bunch of new laws codifying anti-democracy.
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>>5917937
It is already apparent to everyone that we're grabbing power, the question is how much and I don't think the governors is too much.

Yes anti democracy come naturally to the Mandate. It is an exclusive power to the Emperor and his family, how would you translate that to the egalitarian throughline of democracy?

We won't advertise that we took inspiration from the Federation. And if we did, writing a bunch of papers that say democracy bad mkay wouldn't couter that hypothetical vindication.
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>>5917656
>Codification of Imperial Rule.
>Noble Public Forum
>Strengthen the Borders
>Formalize Research
>Ban of Democracy.
>NOT Mandate of the Cosmos
I really do not like the idea of Mandate of the Cosmos and am actively voting against it. It sounds incredibly silly, and is more likely to engender animosity from the noble houses than do anything to establish our legitimacy.

I wish we could set up exploring the cosmos or establishing research, but no one seems to be interested in that. It has a lot of potential.
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>>5917894
Wait, how exactly is this vote being tallied?

Is it set up so that any option that had more people vote for I than not vote for it wins?
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>>5917940
That's actually a fair point about the governors, since we're already doing many reforms. Though it would be best to get rid of the worry of the nobles by supporting something anti-egalitarian.
>how would you translate that to the egalitarian throughline of democracy?
The same way the Japanese did before they became more expansionist. Look I'm still willing to change my vote to support the Mandate but I'd like to add anti-democracy as a tenet that'll be a loyal addition to an expanding and/or strenghtened bureaucracy.
>We won't advertise that we took inspiration from the Federation. And if we did, writing a bunch of papers that say democracy bad mkay wouldn't couter that hypothetical vindication.
In the end what anti-democracy puts into place is the ability to locate and defang any lingering Federation sentiments that still remain. This is basically a free action that the nobility will be extremely pleased to take, which as a plus helps Albin's mental health and lessens the workload.

The main issue here is that if unchecked it gives the Federation radicals more potential to spread their ideology, and then we end up with another assassination of the Emperor later down the line.
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>>5917949
>I wish we could set up exploring the cosmos or establishing research, but no one seems to be interested in that. It has a lot of potential.
Don't worry anon I imagine Otto's reign will double down on both of these things. Probably defense too, now that I think about it.
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>>5917949
>I wish we could set up exploring the cosmos or establishing research, but no one seems to be interested in that. It has a lot of potential.
We are interested anon, all that stuff will be done in due time.

>>5917951
>Look I'm still willing to change my vote to support the Mandate but I'd like to add anti-democracy as a tenet that'll be a loyal addition to an expanding and/or strenghtened bureaucracy.
That depends on the QM more than me. I want the Mandate and anti-democracy to be a part of a more over arching operating state philosophy.

Something I wanted to respond to:
>Create a Commission that will be best described to help competition, free trade within the Empire, and prevent the stagnation of monopolies.
>In practice this institution will help with influencing the economic abilities of rivals in a way that House Nightshayd has long been requesting be implemented.
>Ultimately it will answer to the government and therefore be directly subject to the Emperor's will.
I'd rather the Commission's stated goal be to tackle corruption and immorality, something like an Internal Affairs to the Empire. That's more in line with what Nightshayd needs.
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>>5917958
>I want the Mandate and anti-democracy to be a part of a more over arching operating state philosophy.
That would be ideal. It is why I'm at the very least supporting codifying anti-democracy.
>I'd rather the Commission's stated goal be to tackle corruption and immorality, something like an Internal Affairs to the Empire. That's more in line with what Nightshayd needs.
That's fair. Many people want to establish a Secret Agency of sorts, and your suggestion is pretty good.
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>>5917647
>Merger of the Houses
Why are people sleeping on this one this is great and a practical requirement if we ever want to fully centralize the empire. I'm voting for this one hard.

>>5917736
also +1 to this
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So if anyoen is interested in the Bahi influences I spoke of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_revelation_(Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD)

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifestation_of_God_(Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD_Faith)

Essentinally the idea is that the founders of major world religions (Jesus, Buddha, Mohommad etc) are all equally divinely inspired messengers of God, who periodically inspires people to found faiths. Therefore all religions are just different phases of one super religion that god tailors to different audiences over time.

So by analogy each Dynasty was meant to lead humanity forward with the Heinrich being the latest "Cosmos patch."

Muslim conception of prophets is somewhat similar (though it only counts Jewish and Christain prophets in its chain) but under its teachings Mohommad is the final prophet.

And we already brought of the Mandate of Heaven.

The common thread is a chain of divine leaders , with differences on how that succession is passed and if and when it will end.

I assume if we mix it with Heinrich supremacy the idea will be that the Heinrich's are the Ultimate and final Cosmic leaders, and if we don't mix it with Heinrich supremacy the idea will be that in the future it may be possible for a new line of Cosmic leaders to rise.
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>>5917647
May I ask why more people aren't going for Merger of the Houses. Unless I am misunderstanding doesn't it achieve the same results fo several other votes in a single option ( and therefore is a safer bet).
Like we don't really need a Forum for all the Noble Houses if we just get rid of them, right?
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>>5917968
Well having a forum is a decent way to offset the noble opinion downsides and convince them we aren't trying to merge them with us into one giant house (even though we totally are). But yeah if we continue down the absolutism route it will eventually become redundant but properly can be repurposed in some way for governors or something.
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>>5917964
>>5917968
Because it kills the house dynamic and makes it harder to find potential spouses for our children. It also moves the responsibility for lower level (relatively speaking) governance to us of the broader empire, which is less efficient than just having semi-independent houses do it. Third, it betrays our ideology for government and would make us little different from a kingdom with one powerful "tyrant" at the top and no real branches of nobility underneath. It sounds like an awful idea and there are better ways to cement our power.
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>>5917973
So we aren't going the absolutism route? Or are we going to keep trying to centralize while pretending keeping the nobles around for the rest of eternity totally won't bite us in the ass throughout the entire process.
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>>5917973
>and would make us little different from a kingdom with one powerful "tyrant" at the top and no real branches of nobility underneath
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>>5917979
Sounds kinda cringe and against what our characters have been preaching

>>5917978
I would hope not, we already have a ton of power. There's no need to go full absolute.
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>>5917964
>>5917968
The merger of houses should be done subtly and steadily not declared like this.

>>5917973
No, we're going absolutist. Doesn't mean we need to micromanage but the people govern only govern because we put them there.

>>5917978
>>5917979
Agreed, we are going absolutist.

>>5917982
At not point have we been preaching for continued feudalism.
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>>5917983
Anon outside of getting absurdly lucky with succession I don't think we legally can combine houses at all at the moment. Of course were their empire what we say goes blah blah and all that jazz but having a actual system in place for making the process legally and logistically possible feels pretty important.
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>>5917985
*Of course war is also always a option but i'd rather not fight a war of the roses just to combine with House Solution at some point in time.
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>>5917985
How does that contradict what I said? That's exactly why I don't want to do Merger of Houses.
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>>5917983
>At not point have we been preaching for continued feudalism.
We definitely have. It was part of the internal monologue as to why the Mukvir were so enlightened, because they had noble houses. It was much of Albin's goal to the Osgus to convert them into a structure of feudalism rather than the absolutism that you seem to be striving for that they currently have.
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>>5917985
Everyone of these options is somethign we can do otherwise they wouldn't be options. We just need to roll well.

Just note the more options we try the chances of a critical fail increase so it makes sense to get the most done with the fewest votes
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>>5917990
I think some folks read that as admiring the fact they had a concept of nobility, not so much that they had rival noble houses.
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>>5917656
Adding
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles. House Heinrich has been the imperial dynasty for a short time period, but have already spread across the various houses. Given the royal bloodline's apparent tendency to bear daughters, it may behoove Heinrich to declare all matrilineal descendants legal members of their house, should they accept it. This would subvert and enrage the noble houses, but it would also increase the numbers and influence of House Heinrich.
Its redundant with the House merge but it seems like that vote is not going to win. As I said before all of these people are potential rivals to Heinrich dominance , if they aren't brought into the fold I seriously worry about Succession Wars in the future.
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>>5917990
That's aristocracy and nobility not feudalism. The former still existed in absolutist monarchies.

>>5917992
That's why I want to do the Overarching Philosophy thing, to hopefully combine all we're doing into one package.
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>>5917989
Anon 1. Your ID keeps changing every post and 2. Your confusing me now you never made a statement that could of possibly been contradicted in the first place.
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>>5917995
And yet what people are arguing for here is the elimination of the nobility, essentially making us what the Osgus are.

>>5917993
And people here mean to eliminate the nobility by merging them into our house.
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>>5917997
That wouldn't eliminate nobililty, it would just consolidate it. There would still be nobles and commoners, all the nobles would just share an allegiance.
For example the House of Saud is a noble house in Saudi Arabia, but they do not recognize the legal power of any other noble house.
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>>5917997
Genuinely I don't care about the other houses I just want to merge with Solutions and strip all the other nobles of practically any actual power.
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>>5918001
If we legalize matrilineal decedents that could also help with targeted merging of houses.
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>>5917996
1.That's because Im on mobile data. 2.I stated that we shouldn't do the merger of houses here >>5917983 which you responded to >>5917985 and didn't contradict what I originally said.

>>5917997
I don't think anybody is advocating for the anhilation of the nobility, we're advocating for a curbing of their power. Also merging them to our House doesn't destroy them.
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>>5917964
I'll +1
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles. House Heinrich has been the imperial dynasty for a short time period, but have already spread across the various houses. Given the royal bloodline's apparent tendency to bear daughters, it may behoove Heinrich to declare all matrilineal descendants legal members of their house, should they accept it. This would subvert and enrage the noble houses, but it would also increase the numbers and influence of House Heinrich.
as well then.
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>>5918004
Well I personally disagree with how you intend to go about it but I never intended to actually contradict you which is probably why I got confused.
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>>5918006
Well, what's got me confused is that your own argument states why we shouldn't do the merger of houses or the post facto adoption.
>Of course were their empire what we say goes blah blah and all that jazz but having a actual system in place for making the process legally and logistically possible feels pretty important.
Do you think that last part about making a logistical and legal process out of it counters the first part? The legality of it makes no difference in the alienation it will cause.
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>>5918009
Just to clarify even if we don't want to merge houses, I argue the Post Facto Adoaption still needs to happen to minimise the threat of Otoo's cousins.
He's probably safe because he's a god of war but his heir is going to have a LOT of peers who (especially if we hype of the Mandate of the Heinrich's) could start forming their own rival power bases.
For example, the Head of House Ustong is now a direct descendant of Alphonse Atronomicon. What is to stop later Ustongs from claiming the Mandate for themselves, especially if by happenstance the head of Ustong is more popular for some reason than the Imperial heir.
Making them all Heinrich's won't guarantee this wont happen but it contains all that energy within the Imperial House instead of seeding our rivals with bloodlines we are literally claiming is god tier.
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>>5918009
Anon i'm arguing for why we SHOULD do the merger of houses or the post facto adoption. I was trying to say that if we DON'T pass this reform actually merging houses would be a pain in the ass if not outright impossible. I just used the word legally in my first sentence so felt I had to use the second sentence to try to get across what i'm saying so people don't pull the
>but we de emperor and shitttt
stuff.
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>>5918010
I think the threat of claimants is overstated. Realistically the only one that could oppose us internally is Soluton so I'd rather we put all focus on integrating them specifically rather than any of these schemes.

>>5918011
It's a pain in the ass if not outright impossible right now. I don't want to alienate our allies so much over something that gives relatively little in return. I'd rather they become House Heinrich rather than having us declare it so.
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>>5918017
What makes you think some particularly talented Ustong or De Croise couldn't go "I am descended from the Astronimocon and am awesome, I should have the throne" and then have a few or even many Noble Houses rally behind them?
If we are tying political power to the Heinrich bloodline, everyone with that bloodline is essentially armed with a legal weapon
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>>5918017
Anon did you even read the reform? It doesn't "declare everyone is now House Heinrich" or something like that it literally states that >provisions for combining other lineages into House Heinrich will be put into place.
It makes the process officialized so we can do it in the future and I see no reason to not rip off the bandaid for this right now when we are currently at our height of authority and power.
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>>5918018
That's not how it works anon. Take history for instance, such usurpers take power either because they are very powerful (like we would allow that) or the ruling dynasty is very weak (like we would allow that either). They don't magically get a bunch of power just because they are a claimant, they need lands, money, allies, military strength.

>>5918020
Then if it's not time sensitive. Why not put it in the itinerary alongside the research, exploration and other stuff? Im not opposed to having secret internal habsburg like plans on how to merge the houses.
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>>5918021
And history is filled with many wars fought over succession issues between rival claimants.
Ustong for example has become a functional cadet branch and history is full of examples of those taking power.
We don't want a Kingdom of Saxony vs the Wetins situation forming.
Also even outside the succession issues, we are just giving away prime stats to our rivals. Lydia for example is a generational supergenius that is currently doing Manhatten project tier shit for another House instead of working for the Imperial House.
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>>5918021
Cause a reform like this inherently makes nobles paranoid and atleast slightly annoyed and we can't guarantee we will be in a position where pretty much all the remaining nobles like us for a long time. If we pass it now we may get some minor grumbling but if we try to pass it in the future depending on how rng feels like screwing us and how much we empowered the other houses that may not like us anymore it may end up being practically impossible to pass it without yet another war. That's my fear atleast.

TLDR: Loyalties are fickle and I don't trust things not to return to the status quo of "half the houses hate us and the other half don't" so i'd rather we just go ahead and get the reform out.
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>>5918025
Exactly. We are in a rare position of strong military power and close ties to the other most powerful stakeholders.
There is no guarantee this will continue.
As OP said here:

>Unless, of course, you have an immense and loyal armada to fall back on, which, come to think of it, you do. The significance of your victory in this civil war sinks in. Without the meddling Tripartite, House Heinrich faces no major domestic opposition. After decades of intrigue, the Eternal Empire is finally yours and you reign uncontested!
>The second civil war was fought within a century of the first and won no less handily. It may be senility weighing down on your psyche, but you’re confident that you could win a third. Perhaps you could win the war and lose the peace. Perhaps a lesser lineage would. House Heinrich has not failed its ambitions yet.
Right now we can get away with quite a lot. We could probably to ALL these reforms and not fail with a few lucky rolls. This is not the time to play sheepish, we hold all the cards here.
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>>5918024
There will only be such a succession issue without the prerequisites I mentioned if the claimant is a close member like a brother or we have a succession crisis from having no Heinrich males left.

The Lydia thing is a shame but I'd rather we solve that through slow integration and having the other families become Heinrichs out of their own volition rather than try to brute force it.

>>5918025
Passing it is gonna solve what? Are the other Houses gonna be fine with this? Y'know what, let's ask the QM. Would the other majors be fine with laying out this integration business?

>>5918032
Im only worried about alienating Soluton, if they're onside then I can get behind much more.
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>>5918036
>other families become Heinrichs out of their own volition rather than try to brute force it.
The option says it is voluntary

"declare all matrilineal descendants legal members of their house, should they accept it. "
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>>5918039
I mean for the nobles to WANT us to do this thing. The prompt also says that the nobles will be outraged by it.
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>>5918040
Let them moan. We're letting people consensually choose to change their last names. What are they gonna do about it? Rebel? They'd be doomed.
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>>5918036
>Passing it is gonna solve what?
Give us a legal outlet for combining houses without having to do shady shite that is impossible to hide forever and will probably end in yet another civil war.
>Are the other Houses gonna be fine with this?
It really does not matter if they are fine with it or not.
>Y'know what, let's ask the QM. Would the other majors be fine with laying out this integration business?
Yeah sure cant hurt to ask.
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>>5918043
>>5918044
Okay fine fins, I concede the point. Im still worried about Soluton but I agree that the others can grumble all they want.

Man I voted in favor of provoking the Civil War, maybe those back to back double 1s have me all paranoid.
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>>5917964
>>5918005
Anon I just want to let you know that you're technically voting for 8 different reforms (since you gave a +1 to that other guy while still supporting 'Adoption of Nobles' and 'Merger of Houses'), unless I'm misunderstanding something.
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>>5918050
Anon I hate to be that guy but can you link both your original vote to your updated version and the QM's post? It'll save the QM from having a headache when tallying things.
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>>5918056
If this goes well can we give Albin a cool title like his dad and son?

Lawgiver or something like that.
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>>5918058
Hopefully yes. He definitely deserves one at this point.
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>>5917656
My official votes.
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles. House Heinrich has been the imperial dynasty for a short time period, but have already spread across the various houses. Given the royal bloodline's apparent tendency to bear daughters, it may behoove Heinrich to declare all matrilineal descendants legal members of their house, should they accept it. This would subvert and enrage the noble houses, but it would also increase the numbers and influence of House Heinrich.

>Merger of the Houses. If House Heinrich were the only house, its power would be uncontested. To that end, provisions for combining other lineages into House Heinrich will be put into place. This is almost certain to alarm the lesser nobles, who will see it as an attempt to centralize power.

>Expand the Bureaucracy. There is far too little oversight in the territories of the Empire, the nobles simply do as they will and answer to no-one. The existing imperial bureaucracy shall be expanded and form a parallel government to the various planetary nobilities, deferent to and supportive of their sovereignty, but ever-enacting the distant will of the throne.

>Justice Standardizations. Martian law is the default template for legal systems across the Empire, but most planets deviate from it and the nobility often declares their own petty civic legislation. This has led to a great degree of inconsistency, which in turn leaves the Empire less united. Uprooting the current status quo will be messy and tedious, but the end result of a strong, singular legal code may be worthwhile.

>Formalize Research. The Empire has been in technological stagnancy for generations and the fatal error of Matthieu De Croize demonstrates that there exist weapons beyond the pale, which Mankind can and must be prepared to fight. It would be easiest to have the Order of Erudition handle this, but a new ministry is also possible.

>Noble Privy Council. Each of the noble houses is, at its core, separate from the Empire and its institutions. In an effort to change this, select representatives of the noble houses will be invited to serve the legacy of old Earth more directly. This should improve the loyalty of the nobility towards the throne while enhancing its faculties.
This one is ultimately redundant with the first two but can easily be repurposed when required for now just a stop measure to make nobles less mad about the first two reforms.

Ignore these posts QM.
>>5917964
>>5918005
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>>5918056
Done.
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I don't know if my ID changed or if my vote is even passing through this is my second time trying to vote. I'm the guy that suggested an Imperial Legion etrangere.

>>5917645
>Draft a Constitution.
>Mandate of the Cosmos.
>Supremacy of House Heinrich.
Let's go crazy.

>>5917647
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy.

>>5917650
>Ban of Democracy.

>>5917655
>Elevation of Commoners.
But not too crazy.
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>>5918050
>>5918060
>>5918061
Nice, thank you anon. Hopefully the QM doesn't get too much of a migraine from how votes are being done here.
Just to be clear I'm not innocent either in this lmao I also voted twice and formalized my vote later.

>>5917792
>>5917814
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>>5917656
>Expand the Bureaucracy
>New Rules of Succession
>Noble Privy Council
>Ban of Democracy
>Currency Standardizations
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles
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Can someone explain why Anons are voting for post-Facto adoption and not realizing this is going to nuke all our noble relations for basically nothing?
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>>5917656
>Supremacy of House Heinrich.
>Codification of Imperial Rule.
>Mandate of the Cosmos.
>Draft a Constitution.
>Expand the Bureaucracy.
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy.
>New Rules of Succession.
>Merger of the Houses.
>Noble Public Forum.
>Noble Privy Council.
>Noble Youth Education:
>Ban of Democracy.
>Proscriptions Against Corruption
>Environmental Protections.
>Currency Standardizations.
>Justice Standardizations.
>Logistical Standardizations.
>Formalize Research.
>Formalize Exploration.
>Formalize Propaganda.
>Formalize Xenodiplomacy.
>Strengthen the Borders.
>Corporate Restrictions.
>Limits on House Retinues.
>Limits on Mercenary Charters.
>Protections of Commoners.
>Welfare of Commoners.
>Elevation of Commoners.
>Protection of Nobles.
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles.
>Protection of Aliens.
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>>5917655
QM just to be clear this >>5917814 is my current actual vote, not >>5917792
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>>5918119
PURE KINO
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>>5918116
As stated with the Valeryon example, it's not an inherent nuking of Noble relations.
We also have so much power right now (and are going to gain even more of it) Noble relations are a very low concern.
On the other hand, letting rival houses have access to legally Heinrich blood is a liability we don't need to out up with. Especially when it can be handled with a voluntary process .
It's just a way to encourage loyalty among what I would argue and some of, if not the most, powerful people in the Empire .
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>>5918148
>it's not an inherent nuking of Noble relations
>This would subvert and enrage the noble houses
From the description of what you're voting for. We just won a civil war and we are the strongest house currently and for the foreseeable future, but we are NOT stronger than everyone else combined and this is almost certainly going to make even the Solutons and the Nightshayds plot rebellion against the mad, power-hungry wannabe tyrant. We would not have succeeded without them, we're completely fucked if we don't keep them on our side, and I do not understand why anons want to eliminate what makes this quest more than Yet Another Space Tyrant QuestTM, when when we have a perfectly good system already in place that will keep them all loyal practically perpetually
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>>5918036
There have been formalized mergers of noble houses in the past. Typically, they're done between extremely close allies or minor houses that lack power separated. It's uncommon and viewed with wariness by the other houses, as it upsets the balance of power, but there really is no ground to stand on for the houses to decry it, so long as both houses agree to merge. That's assuming it's done voluntarily, which is usually a prolonged, multi-generational process after extensive marriages.

If it's done by decree of the throne without the merged house's consent, it would lead to immense hostility and likely conflict. Noble houses breaking apart due to internal disagreements is slightly more common and somewhat acceptable. If House Heinrich formalized the process, it would alarm the nobility and convince them that the throne wants to centralize power under itself, but they're already convinced the throne wants to centralize power under itself. Only a handful of dynasties reduced the authority of the throne and, with one exception, the ill-fated idealism of the 15th dynasty, House Murnau, now reduced to a footnote even among the lesser houses, this was done to strengthen the position of their own house by supplanting imperial institutions.

Regarding post-facto adoption, the controversy is less that every noble is inherently enraged by it, more that every noble who agrees with the prospect would rejoin House Heinrich. This undermines the sovereignty of the other noble houses and significantly reduces the marriageability of House Heinrich's daughters, as there's a high potential that any children they have will strengthen another, foreign bloodline instead of their husband's. At the same time, it will also increase Heinrich's numbers and influence by a fair margin.

Albin and the royal dynasty in general approve of feudalism but don't think it's the ideal form of government. Their opinions vary from person to person, but all agree that aristocracy is what's important. The system of noble houses is just the most obvious form it takes.

>>5917850
Yeah, it's lagging for me as well. As soon as Albin retires, we'll shift over to another thread. Just so we can start it off with Otto's reign. This one shouldn't be too much longer.
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>>5917950
I explained my process for counting votes here when another anon asked, so I'm just going to link it. >>5915704 I'll be continuing it for this vote as well, though depending on the end-result, there's likely to be a subvote or two. Deciding the names of new ministries, mostly, or outlining the specifics of succession.
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>>5918119
+1
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>>5917647
>Codification of Imperial Rule.
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy.
>New Rules of Succession.
>Noble Privy Council.
>Ban of Democracy.
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles.
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>>5918119
Based.

>>5918244
Great! I'll edit my vote then and also be a bit more greedy, I suggest anyone voting for post facto adoption to vote for the merger instead.

>>5917916
(Changed to mobile data because of bullshit ban)
Amending this vote to:
>Mandate of the Cosmos
>Draft a Constitution.
>Ban of Democracy.
>New Rules of Succession.
>Expand the Bureaucracy
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy

>Merger of the Houses.
>Noble Public Forum
>Noble Privy Council
>Noble Youth Education
>Protection of Nobles
I.e. Introduce the new state philosophy + reforms for the nobility. Next round of reforms should focus on the ministries, standardizatiom and the commoners.
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>>5918391
Oh, Chivalry, what have you done?
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>>5918416
What? The ban or the amended vote?
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>>5918237
We have enough buffs in loyalty we can afford to take a status hit. Especially since if I recall we don't even have any daughters married into Nightshayd (and I don't think Soluton either I am not sure) and those are the two most important houses.
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Tallying the vote, it looks like the five most popular reforms are, in descending order from the highest-

>Expand the Bureaucracy
>Noble Privy Council
>Noble Public Forum
>Ban of Democracy
>Elevation of Commoners

With a tie between

>Codification of Imperial Rule
and
>Formalize Research

I'll leave the vote open for a couple of hours longer. Reforms are always interesting. This is a low-intensity and unambitious set, though building a sturdy foundation for future expansion.
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>>5917645
>Codification of Imperial Rule. At the moment, House Heinrich is in power because it holds the throne on Mars. It must be declared that Heinrich is in fact the one true legitimate ruling dynasty, to take precedent over every other house. This won't be a controversial move whatsoever, as all previous dynasties did this at some point.

>>5917647
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy. Only a minority of worlds have planetary governors and there, they are relegated to a role as mediators. This is an unacceptable state of affairs. Every planet must receive a governor and their authority must be third, subservient only to their rightful noble lords and the Emperor over them.
>New Rules of Succession. The system of patrilineal primogeniture has worked well but is too inconsistent to stand the test of time. Otto shall remain imperial heir, and a method for determining heirs to the throne in the future shall be devised.
>Noble Public Forum. There is currently no means for nobles to voice their concerns short of private dialogues and open violence. Inspiration shall be taken from the Federation and an establishment on Mars formed, a place where representatives of the noble houses can loudly voice their concerns. Ideally, this will minimize the risk of violence while changing nothing about the status quo. All it needs is a name. Landstaat/Landsraad? Martian Senate? It warrants further contemplation.
>Noble Privy Council. Each of the noble houses is, at its core, separate from the Empire and its institutions. In an effort to change this, select representatives of the noble houses will be invited to serve the legacy of old Earth more directly. This should improve the loyalty of the nobility towards the throne while enhancing its faculties.

>>5917650
>Ban of Democracy. The masses lack the wisdom and discipline to guide themselves, and allowing rule by consensus is folly that can only lead to ruin. Voting by commoners in its myriad, insidious forms shall be recognized as the venomous treason it is and punished accordingly. This will be wildly popular with the nobility, so much so it could be considered trivial and functionally effort-free to implement, but stubborn subsets of the masses are bound to resent this, even when it is done for their own sake.
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>>5918448
I'll throw my hat in the ring for
>Formalise Research
I've advocated for this repeatedly before and it'd be a crime if I didn't express support for it over meaningless grandstanding
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>>5918448
>low-intensity
>unambituous
Come on people, add some of the more risque stuff like the Mandate, the Merger and the Noble youth educatuon. Take out the research and cofication, that stuff can be done later.
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>>5917645
>Codification of Imperial Rule. At the moment, House Heinrich is in power because it holds the throne on Mars. It must be declared that Heinrich is in fact the one true legitimate ruling dynasty, to take precedent over every other house. This won't be a controversial move whatsoever, as all previous dynasties did this at some point.
>>5917647
>Noble Public Forum. There is currently no means for nobles to voice their concerns short of private dialogues and open violence. Inspiration shall be taken from the Federation and an establishment on Mars formed, a place where representatives of the noble houses can loudly voice their concerns. Ideally, this will minimize the risk of violence while changing nothing about the status quo. All it needs is a name. Landstaat/Landsraad? Martian Senate? It warrants further contemplation.
>Noble Privy Council. Each of the noble houses is, at its core, separate from the Empire and its institutions. In an effort to change this, select representatives of the noble houses will be invited to serve the legacy of old Earth more directly. This should improve the loyalty of the nobility towards the throne while enhancing its faculties.
>>5917652
>Formalize Research. The Empire has been in technological stagnancy for generations and the fatal error of Matthieu De Croize demonstrates that there exist weapons beyond the pale, which Mankind can and must be prepared to fight. It would be easiest to have the Order of Erudition handle this, but a new ministry is also possible.
>Formalize Xenodiplomacy. Alien species are radically divergent from Mankind and our expectations for intelligence. If the Empire is to conduct diplomacy with nonhumans, it would behoove it to have a panel of learned experts to fall back on. Most distrust nonhumans and this would be met with scrutiny, but the potential benefits speak for themselves.
(Because Albin is ideal for this)
>>5917655
>Elevation of Commoners. The nobility are above the commoners in every legal respect, but there are many exceptional individuals who, by tragic mistake of birth, are amongst the teeming masses. Rather than risk them rabble-rousing, a formal system for proven commoners to petition noble houses for adoption shall be introduced. This is already happening but publicizing it would make it more palatable for the masses. Better they think of the nobility as an approachable guiding hand than an insurmountable obstacle to be overthrown.

>>5918457
Other way around. The more ambitious stuff can be done later, when the foundation for them exists. You can't build a tower in a day.
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>>5917870
>>5917994

These are both my votes. if it is not too much trouble I would like to replace them with a new consolidated vote. if it is too much trouble ignore them please.

My New Consolidated vote

>Supremacy of House Heinrich.
>Strengthen the Bureaucracy.
>New Rules of Succession.
>Merger of the Houses.
>Noble Public Forum.
>Noble Youth Education
>Formalize Research.
>Formalize Xenodiplomacy
>Limits on House Retinues.
>Welfare of Commoners.
>Protections of Commoners.
>Post-Facto Adoption of Nobles.
>Protection of Aliens.

I think Supremacy of Heinrich and Post Facto adoption may cancel each other out a bit don't he negative side, since becoming Heinrich would be a "promotion." Couple that with change in succession and Houses might be INTO it because it increases the chances for a grandchild to be on the throne.
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>>5918465
>Other way around. The more ambitious stuff can be done later, when the foundation for them exists. You can't build a tower in a day.
If you want to do more stuff later it makes sense to vote for a handful of options that increase imperial power and then once we have established an absolute monarchy push through any reforms we want.

So by your logic you should be voting on Limits on House Retinues and Noble Youth Education to neutralize the power of our rivals. Then later in Otto's reign we can ake our move.
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>>5918465
No, we're sitting on a spike in power after winning the civil war. It'd be a shame to use it on things that don't require any power to enact.

>>5918468
Also makes a good point that what you're voting for is no foundation at all.
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>>5918468
>rivals
I think this is the biggest difference between us. I don't see them as rivals to be defeated and subjugated with brute force. I see them as allies to be integrated with cunning, diplomacy and patience, and I am voting for what will help most in that: The Landsraad, as previously discussed.
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>>5918472
In either frame of reference it makes more since to vote for things that bring them into our sphere of influence first then try to do other stuff than the other way around

Almost none of the votes here

>>5918465
Build a foundation with the Houses except for the Public Forum and Privy Council
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>>5918472
Then at least do the merger as well. It's a peaceful and slow integratiom of our friendly allied houses like QM outlined here:>>5918244
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>>5918476
Yes, because I believe the Public Forum and Privy Council (combined aka the Landsraad) are sufficient, along with the Expanded Bureaucracy that I would have voted for if it wasn't already certain to be in.

>>5918477
The merger is what I'd like to happen, but it's far, far too soon. Why are you acting as if we have to do everything right now, before the houses are sufficiently bound to us? I'd absolutely support it later, in a generation or two, after we've had the chance to intermarry more with the major houses and max out our relations that have recently taken a hit.

You don't reveal the hook before the fish has bitten the bait. It defeats the purpose of having a bait and it lets the fish take countermeasures before it's too late for them.
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>>5918485
>Why are you acting as if we have to do everything right now
We don't have to do everything now, but we are in a very strong position that is not guaranteed to hold unless we take steps to secure that position.
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>>5918486
We have and are taking steps to secure that position. We have the largest amount of planets (tied with Soluton but ours are richer), we are slowly expanding our shipyards, we are improving our relations with all remaining Major Houses. Those are the real things that give us strength. The reforms are not what will secure our position. The paper they're written on would mean nothing if we did not have the might and goodwill to back it. This is not a source of power, it is an effect of power, and that power will evaporate quickly if we alienate our allies with a naked power-grab.
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>>5918492
The paper is just writing down what we are doing with all that power. The laws arent what give us the power the laws are the actions we are taking with the power we already have to take more.

For example limiting militaries isn't something the literal paper enforces. The vote just means we will limit arm build-ups and strike down anyone who doesn't comply.
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>>5918496
Exactly. We gain power from other sources and spend that power with these laws. Every remaining major house is our ally, they are friendly or better and if we play our cards right they'll only grow closer with time. Why do you want to use the power we have gained just to limit theirs in such a heavy handed way? If we treat them as hostiles, this is how they'll treat us back and that's pretty much the only way we might possibly lose.
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>>5918508
>Why do you want to use the power we have gained just to limit theirs in such a heavy handed way?
Because our current power is not garunteed. But if we use it to set up systems that increase our power we can make it more permanenet.
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Tallying once again, the reforms are as follows-

>Noble Public Forum
>Noble Privy Council
>Expand the Bureaucracy
>Formalize Research

With a three way tie between

>Codification of Imperial Rule
>Ban of Democracy
and
>Elevation of Commoners

I'm going to go ahead and lock the top four into place and for the sake of fairness, have an elimination vote on the bottom three.

Which of these three do you want the LEAST?

>Codification of Imperial Rule
>Ban of Democracy
>Elevation of Commoners
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>>5918557
>>Codification of Imperial Rule
This one is easily the least important of the three. Like people have said before and what's literally in the vote description itself, any Emperor can do this.
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>>5918557
>Codification of Imperial Rule
Literally the most useless.

Hope we can do more on the next round, take the heat before Otto.
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>>5918557
>Codification of Imperial Rule
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>>5918557
>Codification of Imperial Rule
Though I wouldn't particularly mind leaving any of these out.
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>>5918557
>Ban of Democray
Really unnecessary, democracy is already banned, it would change nothing. Codification of Imperial Rule may be less extravagant than what some anons have wanted, but it still enshrines House Heinrich as the Imperial House.
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>>5918557
>Codification of Imperial Rule
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>>5918592
+1
Democracy is already illegal, no one is currently doing it and the Democratic sentiments have been stamped out. It's banning something that isn't happening.
Codifying Imperial rule is mostly symbolic but at least it's SOMETHING
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>>5918557
>Ban of Democracy

>>5918561
>>5918564
>>5918595
Really?
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>>5918557
>Ban of Democracy
I think this one is redundant
Either way, happy with the top 4 that are locked in as those are the ones that I really wanted. Although the Landsraad from Dune is supposed to be a summit of all the noble houses we also have the Privy council so perhaps that can be named the Landsraad while the Public Forum can be named after the HRE's diet of Princes? I just love the HRE in general and the Heinrichs are germanic themed so I think it would fit.
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>>5918601
>>5918597
>>5918592
I believe I've explained this one before but propagating and codifying anti-democracy is critical to control and demoralize the ex-Federation planets. They will see the Noble Public Forum and all of these reforms as vindication to their beliefs if it's not openly codified against them.
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>>5918609
>Although the Landsraad from Dune is supposed to be a summit of all the noble houses we also have the Privy council so perhaps that can be named the Landsraad while the Public Forum can be named after the HRE's diet of Princes? I just love the HRE in general and the Heinrichs are germanic themed so I think it would fit.
Yeah that does sound cool. I think one of the anons liked calling it the Landräte, which sounds Germanic like you were suggesting.
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>>5918557
>Elevation of Commoners
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>>5918609
I'd support this.
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>>5918557

>Codification of Imperial Rule

This is the most meaningless one I think
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>>5918561
>>5918564
>>5918595
Welcome, new players. Amazing you all joined near the same time and went with the same vote almost 2700 posts in.
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>>5918634
Making it have that sort of fluff could be fun. But if you're talking about supporting getting rid of the ban of democracy I'm sorry to say you already voted for it anon >>5918592
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>>5918644
I meant the name anon
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>>5918639
Im not new fool, Im ban dodging >>5917916
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>>5918557
>Ban of Democracy
As many others have said already, a little redunant to ban something already outlawed. Legitimizing our rule in print after ending a civil war seems much more important, even if it doesn't seem very special.
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>>5918656
Alright I think the QM has said it before but I believe that Albin (and by extent Angelica) is probably the only one to be able to understand how to properly codify against democracy. Otto doesn't have the same experience in dealing with egalitarians, he could be more suited to codify the Imperial Rule since he's a man with many adventures behind him and a war hero to boot.
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>>5918656
>>5918661
I still think that doing the Overarching Philosophy would solve most of this (Part of why I want the Mandate so bad), to establish and propagate this new paradigm we're envisioning here.
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>>5918675
Yeah I regret not voting for the Mandate. It could've helped in establishing a post civil war philosophy, and it could easily tie in with anti-democracy while giving the Heinrichs more permanence. If I had back from work earlier I might've changed my vote to support it.
I thought I was being more appealing by voting for the Constitution, since it would give us more legal permanence, but I should've gone with something more interesting like the Mandate or even Heinrich Supremacy. Oh well, not like a single vote would've made a difference.
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>>5918609
The Public Forum is similar to the Holy Roman Empir's Reichstag in that it's basically a UN for the lower level polities.

The Privy Council is basically a cabinet
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>>5918652
No need to become an avatar over it.
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>>5918557
>Codification of Imperial Rule
Honestly, our position is pretty secure plus the positive opinions we get from reforms favoring the nobles and commoners make this law a bit redundant. Maybe when our position is less secure we can go back on it later.
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>>5918557
>mfw no anon can get a cohesive voting block going for any slightly ambitious and semi controversial reforms so the only reforms that end up passing are the low-intensity unambitious ones everyone agrees with.

Adding this to the imperial list of 10 million reasons why democracy is a flawed system!

Anyway
>Codification of Imperial Rule
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At least Research will keep us from staying Luddites.

>>5918557
>Codification of Imperial Rule
Otto can pick that can up.
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>>5918557
>Ban of Democracy

It’s already banned

Separately, having the Noble Public Forum and Privy Council is needlessly duplication and a waste of a reform.

@QM, can we please have a run off for those, as they’re very similar?
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>>5918776
If I were running a vote like this, I would first hold a vote for how many options to go for, using an approval voting method where everyone posted a range (for example someone could say they would be open to making between 2 and 5 reforms)
Once a number was chosen I would then hold another approval voting round for the entire list, where anyone could pick any number of reforms they linked and the Top N would become reforms, where N is whichever number won the first vote.
A bit complex yes, but its a pretty complex update.
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Alright to try a redeem myself for being part of the problem with how messy the vote has been with the Frankenstein 'constitution' I posted, I'm going to try and tally. I'm sorry if I did it wrong.

There are 9 votes that like "Imperial Codification" the least, 6-7 if you don't count 1 ID posts (although one of these posts has been confirmed to be an anon that has voted often, so I'd say it's 7 votes to get rid of it).
There are 6 that like "Ban Democracy" the least, 4 if you don't count 1 ID posts.
There is one lone chad anon that likes "Elevation of Commoners" the least.

Either way "Imperial Codification" is in the lead as the least liked out of the three reforms.
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>>5918799
Not really. The Public Forum is like a Senate that cant make laws and is just there for the nobles to debate.
The Privy council is a cabinet fo advisors that work for the Emperor.
They serve different functions
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>>5918557
I dip for a couple days and the most cringe reforms possible get through, goddamit
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>>5918845
Personally, I belive turning the Eternal Empire into the HRE is a good thing
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>>5918776
>>5918824
This is a fair criticism to have. The multiple vote concept is an excellent idea, I'll have to do something similar the next time a vote like this comes up. You'll have the chance to push more reforms in the future. Thinking about it, it's pretty ironic that the rabidly anti-egalitarian empire quest thread is a pure democracy, kek.

>>5918799
There was some discussion about having a separate noble advisory structure separate from the Landsraad thing, so I split the two. In effect, the Noble Public Forum is a public senate while the Noble Privy Council is more of a cabinet-like structure. You'll be able to have a few positions, essentially more specialized advisors that can weigh in to give you more context for some decisions, or potentially help outright in their niche, depending. I'll have a subvote for filling positions at some point. Anyhow, this vote has gone on for long enough. I'm going to go ahead and tally everything here.

Democracy has been functionally banned in the Empire and public democratic institutions, with the exception of the noble councils in some Noble Houses and boards of shareholders most Corps have, do not exist in the Empire. A ban on democracy would formalize it as imperial law, as it already is under martian law, essentially just rhetoric for anti-democratic elements among the nobility.

>>5918825
No need to worry, I really enjoyed the constitution posts, and the discussion in general for that matter. I'm in agreement on the 1 post by this ID votes, and will count anon's because I also ban evade semi-frequently but don't want to encourage samefagging. I suspect there were a couple of structural flaws in the vote, as anon mentioned and will try to keep things more engaging in the future.
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>>5918855
I just assume all us anons are the inner schizophrenic dialogue of Albin and I guess Angelica too since we were her POV at the beginning of the thread.
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>>5918560
>>5918561
>>5918567
>>5918592
>>5918597
>>5918601
>>5918609
>>5918631
>>5918635
>>5918656
>>5918722
>>5918776
>>5918783
>>5918799
The final reforms are as follows-

>Noble Public Forum
>Noble Privy Council
>Expand the Bureaucracy
>Formalize Research
>Ban of Democracy
>Elevation of Commoners

I'll be updating in full, post-haste.
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>>5918856
That's been my thought process, essentially. The aggressive subconscious of the royal dynasts, the unpredictable wind in the ship of state's sails.
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>>5918856
>>5918861
Looking back at the first choice made in the quest, while I don't regret following the Heinrich dynasty, having us all be a gestal manifestation of a Martian Parliment instead of taking the role of it's supreme leader would've been a fun way for the QM to put our arguments on votes into the quest itself.
>"Mister Speaker, I would like to insinuate that the Right Honorable Senator of subregion Perditia's mother fornicates with equines after her genitalia became too lose to accomodate a human mate!"
>"Oh yes? Well, the Represantative of the Council of Plutul's mother was once mistaken for a sow due to her corpulence and almost sold to a butcher. For a pretty penny, I might add. The fat harvested would've sustained a frontier world for a whole cycle, imagine that!"
>vicious cane fighting erupts on the Parliament floor between the opposition and government allied parties
>"ORDER, ORDER! ORDER IN THE PARLIAMENT! GUARDS, END THIS RAMBUNCTIOUSNESS AT ONCE!"
It would've been a sight, for sure.
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>>5918868
instead, schizophrenia now runs in the line of Emperors.
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The Eternal Empire is a formidable adversary to those who would dare stand against the legacy of old Earth, but a singular front, it is not. Even now, at the apex of House Heinrich’s strength, the masses are in disunion, the nobles disobedient, and the imperial apparatus dysfunctional. This is an unacceptable state of affairs. As the Emperor, it is your duty to correct these errors and set the Empire on course for the glory of Mankind.

The foremost shortcoming of the imperial bureaucracy is its lack of reach. The Emperor’s word may be law, but if the voice of the throne isn’t heard, it means nothing. Just as the continued straining against environmental protections proves, the dictums of the royal dynasty go ignored or selectively interpreted when it is convenient for the nobility. This must be resolved, thus, you declare that the imperial bureaucracy is to be expanded several times over.

No longer will frontier worlds have a measly handful of imperial staff in a lone starport. Now, each planet shall have a number of offices and agents, loyal to the Emperor and not to any lesser noble. These will smooth the process of collecting taxes, communicating laws, and maintaining stability in the civilian sector during times of crisis. Expanding the imperial bureaucracy will be costly, but it is necessary if House Heinrich is to reign anywhere outside of Mars.

Next is the issue of the nobility. The Tripartite Entente was swiftly and decisively crushed, but the example their failed rebellion set remains. Their actions, while outrageous and unconscionable, demonstrated that the nobility feels it lacks a voice in imperial affairs. This is true and as it should be, but the illusion is necessary to prevent discontent from boiling over again in the future. To that end, you look to the Federation of Uvarth. More particularly, at their disgusting parliament.

It was a miscarriage of governance and an embarrassment on Mankind, but the idea itself, of gathering influential people into one place and getting them to waste their time arguing about nothing, is brilliant! A forum shall be established, where the nobility can relay their concerns to the throne and discuss ongoing problems amongst themselves. It will have no actual power but it will feel important and help the office of Emperor keep aware of the opinions of those below.

What should it be called?

>The Noble Senate. A pastiche of the democratic “process”, an aristocratic in-joke of sorts.
>The Landstaad. A name drawing on the roots of Heinrich, but exotic sounding to most ears.
>The Forum of the Houses. A rather direct statement of the establishment’s purpose.
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>>5918885
Although a building of nobles jabbering isn’t likely to convince anyone of the Empire’s intent to listen to them, perhaps you can make a visible concession that feels substantial while changing little. Your Head Advisor, Igor, has done excellent work for the Empire for many, many years, but he’s only one man and can only know so much. The noble houses shall be asked to send experts in a wide variety of fields to Mars, to advise the Emperor and render him better informed.

These positions will bring a heightened status to the noble bloodlines responsible for guiding the Emperor and, more importantly, will lead them to feel they have direct influence over the throne. Besides that, it may be somewhat helpful to have a group of councilors to help with paperwork and provide context for the decisions you’re making.

What should it be called?

>The Noble Cabinet. Again, with the faux-democracy, this farcical nonsense of “equality under the law” is hilarious.
>The Privy Council. A prestigious yet informal sounding name, which should be well-regarded by those not involved.
>The Circle of Advisors. A bit obvious, but misunderstandings have never helped anyone exert authority.
One of the most critical problems the Empire has struggled against in the last several generations is stagnancy. There’s a broad perception that what the Empire has is sufficient, that Mankind has reached an ideal level of technology and that any further progress is folly that will only lead to ruin. This is an understandable viewpoint, considering the last act of the traitors of House De Croize and the nameless terrors of the gene wars, but it is one that will lead to weakness against the unknown and inflexibility just when adaptation is needed the most.

You shall formalize research within the Empire. No longer will advancements be spread across lone scholars and Corp-funded focus groups, but brought together under one banner, for the sake of all Mankind! Getting an organization like this off of the ground will be expensive and it isn’t likely they’ll be pulling the Empire out of its scientific rut soon, but after generations of nothing, even incremental progress is substantial. Of course, the Order of Erudition is already focused on knowledge. Maybe it would be easier to keep track of a single, sprawling organization.

What should be done?

>Fold research under the Order of Erudition. Just as their emblematic owl has two talons, it shall have two branches- one focused on education of the young, one focused on the enlightenment of Mankind.
>Create a new organization. The Order of Erudition have done well to tamp down on the divisive ideologies of egalitarianism and rule by the masses, for the masses, but it would not do well to split their focus. (What will this new organization be called?)
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>>5918886
Last of all remains the behemoth that is the former Federation of Uvarth. It held control of the masses and poisoned their minds against the nobility for entire centuries without interruption! It was an abomination and now it is gone, thanks in no small part to the efforts of your sister and son, but its treacherous spirit remains! To this very day, billions of commoners secretly want democracy! That is unthinkable to contemplate.

You must erase ALL traces of voting within the Empire and strip away the layers of rabble-rousing filth that has settled among the masses, like the infection of the soul it is. Those who love the throne already loathe democracy and crush it where possible, but that isn’t sufficient. You must render even the idea of democracy treason.

However, you recognize that some would-be politicians are awfully skilled at crawling into illegitimate power. Rather than waste time and resources hunting them in their hiding places, you’ll put in a means for exceptional commoners to petition noble houses for adoption. This way, there’s a legitimate avenue for advancement and a vast incentive against attempting a grassroots sedition.

This does mean that any egalitarian rebels against the Empire in the future will be either true believers or too incompetent to be considered for adoption, but this way, they ought to be less of a problem. Alongside the strategic benefits, this should lessen the blow of banning democracy to former Federals.

You are quite satisfied with these reforms. They aren't flashy but they are useful and noncontroversial. Your son and heir, Otto, shall be left with a better foundation to commence his reign than you had.
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>>5918885
>The Landstaad. A name drawing on the roots of Heinrich, but exotic sounding to most ears.

>>5918886
>The Circle of Advisors. A bit obvious, but misunderstandings have never helped anyone exert authority.

>Fold research under the Order of Erudition. Just as their emblematic owl has two talons, it shall have two branches- one focused on education of the young, one focused on the enlightenment of Mankind.
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>>5918885
>The Landstaad. A name drawing on the roots of Heinrich, but exotic sounding to most ears.
>>5918886
>The Privy Council. A prestigious yet informal sounding name, which should be well-regarded by those not involved.
>Create a new organization. The Order of Erudition have done well to tamp down on the divisive ideologies of egalitarianism and rule by the masses, for the masses, but it would not do well to split their focus. (What will this new organization be called?)
No need to split focuses, one is education, and the other is science. As for the new name, I will let other anons decide
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>>5918855
Well it's reassuring to hear that I didn't cause too much confusion lmao
Also QM I wrote a short story about a commoner on of the Empire's frontier planets. It's a bit chucky, and I'm asking if I can post it here since I hate using pastebin and Google docs.

>>5918885
>The Landstaad. A name drawing on the roots of Heinrich, but exotic sounding to most ears.

>>5918886
>The Privy Council. A prestigious yet informal sounding name, which should be well-regarded by those not involved.
>Fold research under the Order of Erudition. Just as their emblematic owl has two talons, it shall have two branches- one focused on education of the young, one focused on the enlightenment of Mankind.
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>>5918928
That'd be great! I've been tempted to upload interludes through PDFs but given that I'm generally mobile posting, it would be more convoluted than using pastebin or, more recently, rentry. I like pastebin but the site's maintenance has kept me from uploading while writing updates twice now and I'm not married to it. The rentry has been convenient but I'm still not sure of it yet, as it's only been recent.
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Alright it looks like the PDF was messed up, sorry to everyone about the inconvenience. After 30 minutes of messing around on it I've decided I'll bite the bullet and just post it manually.
Again I apologize for how big of a text this is.

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An owl was slowly gliding beneath a clear blue sky. There was not a cloud in sight. It was another beautiful day, and John Smith would have it no other way. Rising up from his couch, he stretched his arms and legs, preparing for another day of being a productive citizen for the Tyrants.
Of course he shouldn't complain, he had it all: economic stability, loyal friends, a loving wife, three beautiful children (soon to be four). But there was something he couldn't shake off, a wrongness to everything around him. Things have changed in recent years, despite everyone's best efforts. He could see his wife put on a strong face, and everyone he knew had a sense of somberness to them. Even the children could feel something wasn’t right.

He was once a member of the Federalist Party, proudly flying the patriotic colors of democracy in his own front lawn. Things were right back then, despite the best efforts of both Tyrant and aliens.
But we all know how that ended. Half of the people he knew were gone. The old order he loved and cherished was nothing more than a footnote in history. He should be grateful none of those gone were his family, really. He should be grateful the Tyrant's government didn't decide to set him with a 'genetically compatible mate'. He should be grateful for many things.

"John, are you all right?" a soft voice spoke beside him, startling the old veteran. He quickly snapped in it's direction, face softening in recognicion of his darling wife.

"Nothing, love. Just old ghosts coming back to haunt me. We have much to be grateful for" he said with an almost mechanical tone, like he'd learned to speak in since the conquest. His wife's smile wavered a bit.

"Do we, John?" a tinge of bitterness worked its way through her voice "we can't even choose our future no more. Not us, not our kids, not the one's after 'em."

Quickly, almost imperceptibly, the man looked from around him, almost like he thought an Imperial agent was waiting for them him the shadows.

"Dear, you know we can't talk like that" he tried to reason, more to himself than her "we're still alive-"

"This is hardly living. You know this. We all do." she interrupted, but the words had neither venom nor bite. She was tired "What happened to you, John?"

He could hardly bear to look at her. So he didn't. He muttered something about being late and the quotas the nobles placed needing to be met, and he left.

(Continued)
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>>5918981
The planet he lived on was called a frontier, and for good reason. Mainly agricultural in nature, owned by some minor noble house, it was held the very essence of a land tiptoeing the line between civilization and the unknown. He worked at a plantation, given enough to live on but never enough to move upwards. Alongside his peers, he would work for most of the day, doing odd jobs, and listen to the rumor mill at break; which mostly included many meaningless opulent boastings from the small noble house that lorded it over them (brought to them courtesy of their local servants). Then he'd be on his way home. Now John wasn't a stupid man. He knew that the Tyrants wanted to keep them in check, why else would they create an 'Order of Erudition', polluting the minds of children with their vile propaganda? When the Tyrants had proclaimed their 'final victory against democracy', he immidiately learned all he could about them. How they lived, how they thought, what they believed in, why they conquered, their laws and noble houses. As much as it pained him, he would keep his head down and nod along to their song of their new 'lords' and 'ladies' while they babbled on about whatever flavor of autocracy was fancied in the month. Through the humiliation, John was always be too small to gain get attention. Always too meaningless to be given a backround check. Bearing a hollow smile for whenever his 'superiors' would grace the land he once proudly called home.

And he expected more of the same today as he went to his place of work. As he went nearer, however, something was different in the air. People were conversing, some more agitatedly than others. Hardly anyone was working. Even the Overseer wasn't paying much mind to it, seemingly lost in his thoughts. If was a feeling he could commiserate with. And witnessing all of this a strange excitement was bubbling within John's chest. A memory, close yet so far away, was blossoming once more. Of political rallies, speeches by candidates, his wife kissing him after parliament nominated a now long gone friend. He knew this feeling anywhere, something big was going on.

"Heya, Johnny boy! What's happening? You look like you've seen a ghost" for the second time in the day, John was startled and snapped to the sound of the voice. An old, faithful, childhood friend stared back at him. They both grinned.

"No more ghosts than usual, Mark" he said in reply "Now your turn. Looks like a party is getting started."
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>>5918983
"If there were any party, you know where I'd be" Mark said, and then added in a notably quieter voice "Tyrants can't party like we do, Johnny. They wish they had what we did."

"Weird you haven't heard, you're usually all over these sorts of things Johnny boy."

"Just spit it our Mark, we still have our quotas for the day."

And so Mark did. He spoke about the many 'Reforms' the Tyrants made after a rebellion in their ranks. The loose lips of a drunk noble, being tended by his maids and 'commoner' naval officers after foreign ministers came and went. Boastings that his house was finally being "rightfully acknowledged by the Empire!" and slurred toastings of "hail Emperor Heinrich!", alongside words of a new "Public Forum" he had been invited to. Sudden understanding dawned upon Mr Smith. Even a bastardized parliament was still a parliament. Why was this being implemented? Surely not for the people.

"You know what this means, don't you?" Smith said after a few moments of silence.

"Yeah, they made a cheap knockoff of our stuff because their crap broke down. Not even two damn generations and the Tyrants are already at each other's throats. I'm telling you Johnny boy, they needed us to keep each other together" he said brazenly. The Overseer was long gone by now, and most of the workers were dispersing already.
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>>5918985
John sighed "they're doing what they can to keep the their power. They know how our system worked, and are keeping the good parts while cutting out anything they don't like."

"Well we could still give it another go, don't you think?" as Mark said this John looked at him like he'd grown another head "not 'us' I mean. We still got that old fire kindlin'. Maybe our grandkids-"

"I don't think you understand" John said with slightly more ice than he intended "there is an entire arm of the Empire mobilizing against whatever is left of the Federation. It's not something we can beat."

"C'mon, don't you think humans will see the light again someday?"

John grunted in response. They were nearly alone, the crowds dripping away.

He turned to his friend. For more than a decade they had rallied together for congress. Laughing together, fighting in the wars. It was a miracle they were both still around to tell the story.

"It's over, Mark. We're done for."

...

It was a lonely walk back home. The best part of John's day was seeing his children again. His wife greeted him, he could see a bit of sorrow left over from the morning. An owl's call in the distance, and a orange hued sunset was slowly melting into the distance. There was not a cloud in sight. Another beautiful day had ended, much like the ones prior.

He felt a small hand tugging at his coat. Looking down he saw his youngest, Maria, smiling and telling him about her day at school while her two older brothers were playing. Soon mother, father, and children all went inside to eat.

As they did and while they talked, John Smith realized something. He and all that he once fought for might fade away into the dark, but his children would still live to see another day.

John took a bite out of his food. It was delicious as always. He smiled at his wife, she warmly smiled back.

There was much to be grateful for.
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>>5918886
>The Landstaad. A name drawing on the roots of Heinrich, but exotic sounding to most ears.
>The Noble Cabinet. Again, with the faux-democracy, this farcical nonsense of “equality under the law” is hilarious.
>Create a new organization. The Order of Erudition have done well to tamp down on the divisive ideologies of egalitarianism and rule by the masses, for the masses, but it would not do well to split their focus. (What will this new organization be called?)
Don't know what I'd call it but I think it's better to not be under the order of erudition
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>>5918885
>Landstaad
>The Circle of Advisors
>Fold Research under the Order of Erudition
As irl shows education and research naturally flow into eachother.
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>>5918885
>The Landstaad. A name drawing on the roots of Heinrich, but exotic sounding to most ears.

>>5918886
>The Privy Council. A prestigious yet informal sounding name, which should be well-regarded by those not involved.

Representatives from the Houses are to be of their blood, but not the Head or heir.

>Fold research under the Order of Erudition. Just as their emblematic owl has two talons, it shall have two branches- one focused on education of the young, one focused on the enlightenment of Mankind.

Easier to control and for bright young minds to be identified and directed into research roles
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>>5918885
>The Landstaad. A name drawing on the roots of Heinrich, but exotic sounding to most ears.
>>5919044
>The Privy Council. A prestigious yet informal sounding name, which should be well-regarded by those not involved.
>Fold research under the Order of Erudition. Just as their emblematic owl has two talons, it shall have two branches- one focused on education of the young, one focused on the enlightenment of Mankind.

>>5918987
That was a good read anon
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>>5918886
>The Forum of the Houses. A rather direct statement of the establishment’s purpose.
>The Circle of Advisors. A bit obvious, but misunderstandings have never helped anyone exert authority.
>Create a new organization. The Order of Erudition have done well to tamp down on the divisive ideologies of egalitarianism and rule by the masses, for the masses, but it would not do well to split their focus. (What will this new organization be called?)
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Here's a few more interludes.

Osgus Interlude
>https://pastebin.com/u7gDZ6ym

Mukvir Interlude
>https://pastebin.com/W5w8NTV3

Chavenac Interlude
>https://pastebin.com/Kigp9TXJ

>>5918972
This was a good read and is canon, as far as I consider it.
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

Breaking the tie for Karl's marriage

>1: Beatrice Soluton
>2: Irina Junger
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>>5919233
wasn't the vote 3-1 in favour of Beatrice?
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>>5919239
There were 3 votes for Irina, two of which were in the posts after the voting prompt but I hadn't settled the vote yet, as you were busy with the Mukvir and then with reforms.

>>5916752
>>5916757
>>5916886
The votes backing Beatrice

>>5916763
>>5916841
>>5916896
The votes backing Irina
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>>5919243
ah I only saw the ones during the prompt, sorry QM
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>>5919244
No worries, thank you for bringing the discrepancy to my attention! There's a lot of votes to keep track of, and I appreciate the help.
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>>5919233
Uhm is it too late to vote for
>Beatrice Soluton?
I didn't realize we were voting for Karl as well as our heir somehow.
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>>5919261
No, that's fine. I'll switch things accordingly.
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>>5918898
>>5918901
>>5918928
>>5919031
>>5919032
>>5919044
>>5919066
>>5919106
You dubbed the forum the Landstaad, harkoning back to the roots of House Heinrich.

It is a difficult decision, but you decide to dub your noble advisors the Privy Council rather than the Circle of Advisors. Largely because they could very well end up sitting around a square table, and such a misnomer would be a shame for the Empire.

You decide that focusing intellectuals under a single ministry would be most efficient and, more importantly, easier to suppress if they got ideas of forbidden science or rule through intellect rather than blood. The Order of Erudition's responsibilities have been expanded to include research and with it, their budget has grown as well. The treasury weeps at the loss, but you are confident there will be returns. Even if you aren't alive to see them.

In the end, you can't choose between Beatrice and Irina for your son, so you trust in the cosmos and flip a coin. Tails. Hmm... Junger it is. At least the lady has no lack of courage... On second thought, no. Beatrice will do better. Forget the superstition- wagering your son's future on a coin toss? Are you senile!? Best to forget this ever happened and never speak of it again.

You enact a series of reforms!

The bureaucracy has been expanded!

The Landstaad and Privy Council have been established!

The Order of Erudition has been placed at the head of research!

Democracy has been banned as treason!

Commoners have received the right to petition for noble adoption!

The Noble Houses note that House Heinrich has not set itself above. This causes many to view the royal dynasty as unusually humble for its status, inspiring some and disappointing others. The implications of the reforms you've made are to sure to manifest themselves during your son's reign.

The marriage between Karl and Beatrice goes on. Notably, this is the first marriage of a son of House Heinrich's royal lineage who doesn't happen to be the imperial heir. Beatrice is pleased to join House Heinrich, even if Karl has his misgivings. You hope they'll be happy together. While it isn't a royal wedding, House Soluton's sense of betrayal toward House Heinrich is, at least in part, mollified
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>>5919272
You return to the normal administration of the Empire.

You find The Ledger is less than ideal but this was to expected. Reforms were costly and the ban on democracy infuriated the former Federals, but renewed trade with the Mukvir and concessions toward competent commoners do much to mitigate the damage. Your reforms and humility as a dynasty have widely pleased the noble houses, most of which now praise the throne for its wise governance. Some of them even do so genuinely, rather than because the throne on Mars' connection to old Earth compels them to.

>The Empire:
>Territory: 7
>Economy: 5
>Military: 6
>Happiness: 4
>Population: 7

>House Heinrich:
>3 jewel worlds, 7 core worlds, 6 frontier worlds
>2 Retinue Fleets
>Crown Corp

Your trusted advisor, Igor has a forlorn look on his face.

"The Empire is thriving, sire, but your bones grow weary. I can see it in the creases on your brow and the weight of your steps, your majesty. There is no shame in it. All the same, I advise your majesty to consider the legacy you'll be leaving behind."

Though his words cut deep, you know they are true. You are getting old, too old. Soon, you will have to abdicate the throne so that Otto can follow in your footsteps. Still, your reign is no less mighty now than when it began! Far from it, your rule over the Eternal Empire is invincible, and in your twilight years you intend to make the most of it!

Even if you're still secretly hearing whispers that aren't there and seeing shadows in the corner of your eyes.

What do you want to do?

>Deepen relations with the Osgus. These cephalopods were the fascination of your youth, and to this day entertain untold millions in the ISL. It's time that the Empire took things further with the aquatic aliens.
>Mend affairs with the Mukvir. The failure to bring the isolationist plants to truly embrace Mankind will be one of your regrets, but there is still time left. If you were clever and earnest, perhaps you could undo these wrongs.
>Restructure the ERC. They are martyrs, all of them, and the few that remain are no less fanatical in your shared devotion to the beauty of the galaxy. You will reshape them by your will, to withstand the test of time.
>Further environmental protections. There is no guarantee that your descendants will care even half as much for the wilderness. Every species gone extinct is a tragedy your aching heart cannot withstand.
>Abdicate the throne. It has been long enough. You are 85 years old and have reigned for well over half of them. Best to do away with the burdens of rule.
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>>5919275
>Deepen relations with the Osgus. These cephalopods were the fascination of your youth, and to this day entertain untold millions in the ISL. It's time that the Empire took things further with the aquatic aliens.
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>>5919275
>Restructure the ERC. They are martyrs, all of them, and the few that remain are no less fanatical in your shared devotion to the beauty of the galaxy. You will reshape them by your will, to withstand the test of time.
Do this and we also do the environmental protection options as I assume that since the ERC will now be an actual ministry instead of an Eco death cult they can pass legislation (after being stamped by the Emperor)
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>>5919275
>Restructure the ERC. They are martyrs, all of them, and the few that remain are no less fanatical in your shared devotion to the beauty of the galaxy. You will reshape them by your will, to withstand the test of time.
One last task to ensure the continuation of the personal component of our legacy - even after the plant fiasco, we at least have a start with them and the Osgus will grow closer with time on their own.
After this, it's time. We can take up the job of squid ambassador or something once we retire.
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>>5919275
>Restructure the ERC. They are martyrs, all of them, and the few that remain are no less fanatical in your shared devotion to the beauty of the galaxy. You will reshape them by your will, to withstand the test of time.
Rebrand as the Order of Rangers! Now with special forces discipline and professionalism with expanded responsibilities as a Coast Guard.

Also start passing responsibilities to Otto.
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>>5919275
>Mend affairs with the Mukvir. The failure to bring the isolationist plants to truly embrace Mankind will be one of your regrets, but there is still time left. If you were clever and earnest, perhaps you could undo these wrongs.
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>>5919275
>Restructure the ERC. They are martyrs, all of them, and the few that remain are no less fanatical in your shared devotion to the beauty of the galaxy. You will reshape them by your will, to withstand the test of time.
Or
>Further environmental protections. There is no guarantee that your descendants will care even half as much for the wilderness. Every species gone extinct is a tragedy your aching heart cannot withstand.

I think our current relations with Osgus is close enough it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for a future empire to do and the Mukvir would probably be really put off by using trying to mend relations so soon considering they just want us to wait a bit (which just happens to be generations by their time scale)

The ERC meanwhile is Albins own personal pet project that frankly I don't see any future empire trying anything remotely similar and further environmental protections are very in line with Albins overall views.
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>>5919275
>Restructure the ERC. They are martyrs, all of them, and the few that remain are no less fanatical in your shared devotion to the beauty of the galaxy. You will reshape them by your will, to withstand the test of time.

But make them more FBI and less Knights Templar this time
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>>5919275
>Abdicate the throne. It has been long enough. You are 85 years old and have reigned for well over half of them. Best to do away with the burdens of rule.
It’s time. I don’t want Otto’s reign to be that short.

I also really do not care very much about a hyper miltant ERC. It does not need warfleets to do its job. If people are disregarding the ERC, it should get elevated to us to handle. We don’t need yet another faction, even if it is loyal to the current emperor. What happens when we get one that doesn’t really care about the environment and the ERC has all this firepower laying around?

>>5919264
Feels bad to have the vote basically end and win the coin flip only for a literal last minute vote change the outcome the other way. If you have already broke the tie, that should be the end of it.
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>>5919291
More like make them more Knights Templar and less ALF.
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>>5919160
>>5919066
Thank you!

>>5919275
>Restructure the ERC. They are martyrs, all of them, and the few that remain are no less fanatical in your shared devotion to the beauty of the galaxy. You will reshape them by your will, to withstand the test of time.
>Further environmental protections. There is no guarantee that your descendants will care even half as much for the wilderness. Every species gone extinct is a tragedy your aching heart cannot withstand.
These two feel like they go nicely together.
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>>5919323
While you are fond of alien species, your heart drifts toward the ERC. The Empire's Resources Committee. Really, it is the Emperor's Resources Committee. These people, commoners nigh to the last, served you and spent their lives for the throne's sake without heed for the dangers. For years now, they have kept their heads to the ground and have continued their duties to the best of their ability without complaint. Under House Heinrich, loyalty is to be rewarded, unlike House Vonduul, which saw loyalty as its own reward.

They are among the very few commoners you respect, and the feeling is mutual. Your zeal to protect the wild places and appoint likeminded men has shaped the organization into what they are today. Now, to ensure their future in the Empire, you must reshape them with a mind toward the future. The tattered remains of the ERC stand in lockstep with imperial will. To them, you are not a step short of infallible.

What shape should the ERC take?

>Conventional Ministry. Their culture and ceremony shall be stripped away as they are rendered what your mother intended. A branch of the imperial bureaucracy focused on preventing nobles and merchants from ignoring the Empire's regulations.
>Zealous Brotherhood. Their earlier intensity was not only acceptable, it was ideal and shall be doubled down on. They will be fanatical and sel-sustaining force hostile toward all damages on the environment, ensuring that the ecosystems of the Empire remain pristine long after you are gone.
>Knight Chapter. For their selfless service, they shall be knighted to the last and trained to an aristocratic standard. The nobility may see this as cheapening the position, but you and those who love the wild know the truth.
>Order of Rangers. They are commoners and knightly chivalry isn't theirs to claim, instead you'll devise a new rank. These rangers will immerse themselves in the wild they're sworn to defend, and stand stubborn against all attempts to unduly exploit it.
>Actually, you'll break the ERC into two parts. It's unnecessary for an environmental agency to also be collecting taxes. The first part will monitor the subjects of the Empire to ensure their compliance, while the second part will keep their eyes on the trees. (Which focus do you want for both?)
>None. The zeal of the ERC has gone too far and despite your personal feelings, you can't conscionably allow them to continue posing a potential threat to the Empire. Their duties will be folded into the imperial bureaucracy, the remaining members disbanded into generous retirements, and the group consigned to the annals of history, as heroes.
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>>5919325
>Order of Rangers. They are commoners and knightly chivalry isn't theirs to claim, instead you'll devise a new rank. These rangers will immerse themselves in the wild they're sworn to defend, and stand stubborn against all attempts to unduly exploit it.
I like this best, they can develop their own martial culture this way.
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>>5919292
That's fair. I agree for the most part and would've had the tiebreaker stick for an important vote, but this was largely insignificant. Unless something happens to render Karl and his descendants the imperial heirs, that is. I mostly thought it'd be funny to lampoon the coin tossing for decisions the Heinrichs have done in the past.
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>>5919325
Wait the ERC collects taxes? That's an administration job, leave that to our bureaucrats.
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>>5919325
>Order of Rangers. They are commoners and knightly chivalry isn't theirs to claim, instead you'll devise a new rank. These rangers will immerse themselves in the wild they're sworn to defend, and stand stubborn against all attempts to unduly exploit it.
>Knight Chapter. For their selfless service, they shall be knighted to the last and trained to an aristocratic standard. The nobility may see this as cheapening the position, but you and those who love the wild know the truth.
I've been constantly shilling getting an Eco Friendly Knightly Order, I can't vote for anything else.
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>>5919337
I think only outstanding members should be knighted, just like in our other military forces but knighting should indeed be a possibilty for Rangers.
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>>5919325
>Actually, you'll break the ERC into two parts. It's unnecessary for an environmental agency to also be collecting taxes. The first part will monitor the subjects of the Empire to ensure their compliance, while the second part will keep their eyes on the trees. (Which focus do you want for both?)
Environmental Knighthood with a heavy nature worship aspect
Paramilitary tax collectors who violently eliminate corrupt wealthy people and size their assets for the common good of the empire. No one will pull Panama Papers shit unless they want a cap in the ass.
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>>5919336
They don't collect the Empire's standard taxes, but in fines for breaking regulations, which are then given to the Empire as taxes. Before their fleets were martyred, they regularly extorted mercantile (and rarely, aristocratic) interests involved in industrializing wild areas into giving them supplies. This is the primary reason they were viewed as piratical by most of the nobility.

For that matter, their environmental focus was fostered by Albin. Initially, Anna had them as a counter to the influence of the Merchant Holding Corps in imperial politics.
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>>5919325
>None. The zeal of the ERC has gone too far and despite your personal feelings, you can't conscionably allow them to continue posing a potential threat to the Empire. Their duties will be folded into the imperial bureaucracy, the remaining members disbanded into generous retirements, and the group consigned to the annals of history, as heroes.
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>>5919342
I like the way you think, anon.
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>>5919325
>Zealous Brotherhood. Their earlier intensity was not only acceptable, it was ideal and shall be doubled down on. They will be fanatical and sel-sustaining force hostile toward all damages on the environment, ensuring that the ecosystems of the Empire remain pristine long after you are gone.
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>>5919325
>Order of Rangers. They are commoners and knightly chivalry isn't theirs to claim, instead you'll devise a new rank. These rangers will immerse themselves in the wild they're sworn to defend, and stand stubborn against all attempts to unduly exploit it.
Let every noblemen fear the Order of Rangers
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>>5919325
>Knight Chapter. For their selfless service, they shall be knighted to the last and trained to an aristocratic standard. The nobility may see this as cheapening the position, but you and those who love the wild know the truth.
>Order of Rangers. They are commoners and knightly chivalry isn't theirs to claim, instead you'll devise a new rank. These rangers will immerse themselves in the wild they're sworn to defend, and stand stubborn against all attempts to unduly exploit it.
A combination of the two. As anon said, only the most outstanding member should be knighted.
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We Jedi now .
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>Largely because they could very well end up sitting around a square table, and such a misnomer would be a shame for the Empire.
He just like me fr
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>>5919360
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>>5919351
Same to you anon.

Im having a brainblast thinking of how this Order System can be developed. Since the Public Educatiom we're providing is part of our state and combine that with Heinrich belief in militarism, every public school should be in truth a military school. Same applies to other possible Orders, the thought being that discipline and strength is benefit to all state organisations and it can link back to that Overarching Philisophy.

Arthen and the Martial Houses would love all this no doubt.
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>>5919398
Can't wait for Ottos son to be a peace-loving hippie
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>>5919403
Dude would be disinherited so fast he'll think he was a commoner.
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>>5919381
He's the based autist we all wished we could be.

>>5919398
Cool idea, we're already becoming space german empire, let's go full Prussia

>>5919405
I doubt anons will vote to disinherit, unless the heir is obviously incompetent
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>>5919398
This would synergize well with how loyal the Martial Houses are, and as a bonus will permanently tie them to the Heinrichs as they eventually become stronger (since their strength will be directly based on how much influence we have). This is another good idea, I'll back it.
>eu4 reference
based?


>>5919403
Depends on how the boy is raised I guess. Even if we do get a pacifist down the line the influence of the traditions will be too much to properly resist against and/or dismantle (just like in it was in Prussia irl I guess).
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>>5919160
Only now had the chance to read these, very interesting insights into the inner workings of other nations.
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>>5919405
>>5919407
after Otto reunites all of humanity I am sure a peacemaker would be good to have
>>5919412
Its not like he won't just delegate war stuff to competents and siblings like Albin has
>>5919414
Worried about the Kingdom, what have they found in the lost reaches of space?
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>>5919407
It's like if the Roman Empire was ruled by prussians.

Im being hyperbolic about disinheriting for comedy's sake. Although, what would be required for anons to vote to disinherit do you think?

>>5919412
I want the Martial Houses, including Arthen, to buy into the program and be the most fervent supporters ever.

>>5919415
A peacemaker is fine, a pacifist is more of a problem.
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>>5919418
Vonduul tier probably, someone who is so unrepently incompetent or just so horrible that it would fracture the Empire. Think Maegor the Cruel.
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>>5919418
>Although, what would be required for anons to vote to disinherit do you think?
Real, actual retardedness, excessive corruption, an inheritable genetic disease that would poison the bloodline, democratic sentiment somehow grown in the early years where we don't control him. Stuff like that.
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>>5919403
Considering how peace-loving his mother is and how doom slayer like his father is that's probably a very real possibility. Be it teenage rebellion, trauma, or simply being raised more by their mother than their father who likes killing things all the time more than raising a family or ruling a empire this may genuinely happen.
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>>5919346
Forgot to respond to this.

So long as they actually have existing writen regulations to enforce then that's fine. I don't want them to pull shit out of their ass because of a misguided sense of righteousness.

>>5919426
I think what's more likely is that he develops a more tempered view of combat instead of becoming a berserker or pacifist.
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>>5919426
Otto has more than enough life experience by now to realize not to be a complete lunatic near his young, impressionable child. I hope. We really gotta make sure that the Imperial family stays close to each other so some offspring doesn't get sociopathic enough to start assassinating others for the throne.
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>>5919325
>>5919332
Also I want to autitically elaborate on the changes. I don't want the Rangers to be luddites or primitivists, instead I want them to take the view that humanity should live a more harmonious life with nature. That we can't lose sight of our roots from Old Terra. Forgot about the rest of what I was going to say but I think you can get the picture, the prompt is going in the right place about immersing themselves in the wild but I don't want any misanthropy or disdain for technology and industry.

>>5919430
I wanna keep rambling about the Operating Philosophy but I fear that Im repeating myself.
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The few among them who none can deny are worthy, chiefly the survivors of the raid on Ustong, are knighted. You then run all able-bodied members through a brutal training regimen in the farthest, fiercest wilderness of the Empire. To your pride, most of the men survive and their love for the environment has only grown stronger.

You declare them rangers, the dawn of a new order dedicated to maintaining synthesis between Man and nature. The rabid hate for technology in all of its forms has been beaten out of them, the ruthless disdain for atmospheric smog, urban sprawl, and all means of tax evasion remain. The ERC has been utterly remade as an organization. While they receive no planets for themselves, they have a number of ranger's lodges hidden in remote areas, where they are free from all but the most perceptive and dedicated anti-imperial reprisal.

Further, with the plundered wealth given to them for their sacrifices during the civil war, they are able to purchase enough archaic surplus and rusted cast-offs to amass and maintain a war-fleet. This time, the vessels are piloted with proper military discipline and a polite minimum of ritualistic chanting. Ideally, they'll never need to fight en-masse. In practice, you are certain that future profiteers may demand direct action.

By your actions, the ERC has been transformed and is perhaps the largest part of your legacy.

You turn your attention to The Ledger, perhaps for the last time. Not much has changed. You note that the Royal Guard's fleet has finished production, but this means little to you, now.

>The Empire:
>Territory: 7
>Economy: 5
>Military: 6
>Happiness: 4
>Population: 7

>House Heinrich:
>3 jewel worlds, 7 core worlds, 6 frontier worlds
>2 Retinue Fleets
>Crown Corp

Your trusted advisor Igor consoles you. "All is well, sire. Your majesty's son, Otto, is strong of body and will. The Eternal Empire shall rest in good hands."

That reassures you. Still, it has been so long, yet you feel like you've just barely begun.

A difficult decision is ahead.

>Cling to the throne. There is so much that's left to be done! You may be 90 years old, but you still have a spring in your step! Surely, oh surely there's still more time? (Continue ruling the Eternal Empire as Albin.)
>Abdicate the throne. Your son is 59 years of age. It would be selfish to hold onto power for any longer. The time has come. (End Albin's reign, decide on his retirement and determine the state of Otto's family.)
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>>5919458
>Abdicate the throne. Your son is 59 years of age. It would be selfish to hold onto power for any longer. The time has come. (End Albin's reign, decide on his retirement and determine the state of Otto's family.)
Albin in his tenure as Emperor managed to double the size of the Empire, opened diplomacy and trade with 2 xenos races, secured internal politics for his dynasty and crushed all dissenting voices, increased the strength of the house and throne and expanded the power of the central government alongside his popular reforms. Overall, good job us!
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>>5919458
>Cling to the throne. There is so much that's left to be done! You may be 90 years old, but you still have a spring in your step! Surely, oh surely there's still more time? (Continue ruling the Eternal Empire as Albin.)
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>>5919458
>Abdicate the throne. Your son is 59 years of age. It would be selfish to hold onto power for any longer. The time has come. (End Albin's reign, decide on his retirement and determine the state of Otto's family.)

You done (mostly) well you autistic old geezer time to let the next generation take over.
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>>5919467
Oh, looks like we're abdicating.
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>>5919458
Only wish we officialy rebranded them, can we still do that?

>Abdicate the throne. Your son is 59 years of age. It would be selfish to hold onto power for any longer. The time has come. (End Albin's reign, decide on his retirement and determine the state of Otto's family.)
Hope we've been giving him more responsibilty these past few years.
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>>5919458
>Cling to the throne. There is so much that's left to be done! You may be 90 years old, but you still have a spring in your step! Surely, oh surely there's still more time? (Continue ruling the Eternal Empire as Albin.)
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It slipped Albin's attention in the aftermath of the Mukvir diplomacy, the implementation of his reforms, and the restructure of the ERC, but the experimentation on the macro-scale telescopes went poorly.

Testing went quite well at first with a comprehensive understanding of its magnifying properties, if not how they worked. The problems came when the scholars overseeing the project opted to test the properties of the macro-scale telescope's alloy and started by attempting to lift it via a magnetic field. Against expectations, exposure to the frequency caused the telescope to cleanly dismantle itself into its composite parts in record time. The technicians on the project were terrified of punishment and hid the pieces in a rented warehouse. Once the Order of Erudition was expanded to include research, they snuck them to the intellectual org's headquarters on Titan, where they hid them in the basement there. As far as anyone knows, they're currently studying the parts under electron microscopes and drafting convoluted sketches of how they might possibly fit back together. Albin is only hearing about this now because the QM is a brainlet that forgot to amend his notes the Nightshayd agent infiltrating their group feared the knowledge could give Albin a heart attack in his advanced age.

Is there anything you'd like to do, in light of this newfound knowledge?
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>>5919478
You could do so, if several of you were agreed on it. Renaming an organization is arguably the least difficult part of restructuring it. The only downside is the loss of possible brand recognition.
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>>5919488
I thought it was weird how it wasnt mentioned.

Wait for the geniuses to finish whatever they're doing then ask them to take a crack at it.
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>>5919488
>>5919490
+1
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>>5919489
I wanted a whole rebranding ceremony, knighting people, shaking hands and letting Albin talk to the interested about this more final iteration of his pet project.

So how about it guys?
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>>5919493
I fully support this, I still want a badass Eco-Knightly Order.
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>>5919418
>like if the Roman Empire was ruled by prussians
So basically the HRE
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>>5919488
>give more money to research more stuff. Including the telescopes.

>Create another personal retinue warfleet.

That way we can leave one while the other two go out and fight.

Ask Karl to get it as bridal dowery for their marriage.
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>>5919458
>Cling to the throne. There is so much that's left to be done! You may be 90 years old, but you still have a spring in your step! Surely, oh surely there's still more time? (Continue ruling the Eternal Empire as Albin.)
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>>5919489
Also since we ate armasoft or whatever that other Corp was called. Can we offer to vertically integrate it with crown Corp. And try to then integrate more so with solutions through Carl.

We can get ready to soft merge them into our line. The Heinrich-Solution.

Kek
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>>5919488
Solutons are long-lived and since Albin is part Soluton he gets that premium gene quality, can't wait for our naturally bred 200-year-old Emperors!
>>5919490
support
>>5919493
support, best to go out with a bang
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>>5919504
If Karl was in charge of crown Corp. He could put backdoors ect. In all the common household appliances and stuff they make as well as all ships.

Now we can run it through a fusion center and see who the dissidents and criminals are. And makes Karl important and let's him be his sneaky backstabby self. While Otto goes and kills the varaks. We waited a bit long. They might of repopulated. Otto gonna have his work cut out for him...
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>>5919507
With the fleets we have we can overrun them ourselves.

Also we can just provoke the reaver clans to attack the Vraks, Nightshayd has had a century of infiltration
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>>5919458

>Abdicate the throne. Your son is 59 years of age. It would be selfish to hold onto power for any longer. The time has come. (End Albin's reign, decide on his retirement and determine the state of Otto's family.)

Time for Otto’s reign of blood!
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>>5919458
>Abdicate the throne. Your son is 59 years of age. It would be selfish to hold onto power for any longer. The time has come. (End Albin's reign, decide on his retirement and determine the state of Otto's family.)
It's time. Albin has done all he could, his legacy is secured. Let's give Otto a chance

>>5919493
Support. It can be Albin's final act as the Emperor
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>>5919493
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>>5919506
This is very much possible. Did you want to rename the ERC as well?

>>5919498
The Martian shipwrights, Cherry Corp, and Bullseye Corp are all currently working to manufacture fleets, the Martians out of sworn fealty to the throne, Cherry Corp by contract and gratitude for their planet, and Bullseye Corp also by contract and desperation to avoid being executed for being former Federalists. You'll be able to decide who should receive each of them once they're finished. Something that hasn't come up much yet is that there are several separate shipbuilding philosophies in the Empire and its fleets haven't at all been standardized. Though the fleets are strategically similar, on a tactical level they vary dramatically. Otto's reign may or may not bother with streamlining the navy and deciding what model of ship should be prioritized. Retooling the armada would be a boondoggle but might be worth it.

>>5919504
That was one of the possible options for Amasoft Corp but you chose to dismantle it into thousands of separate pieces and sell them to the highest bidder. This improved the prosperity of every market to some degree, Crown Corp included, and prevented the damages of the civil war from causing a repression. In mechanical terms, it gave the Empire +2 Economy and dramatically lessened the risks of an economic slump.
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>>5919458
>Abdicate the throne
The thread is too laggy for me to vote keeping Albin.

>>5919488
Fire them.

>>5919490
Supporting.
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>>5919493
>>5919523
Meant to say I'll support this.
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>>5919522
Note, Bullseye Corp were Federals, but they were backing the Market Party, not the Federalist Party. If Angelica or Albin suspected democratic sentiments they would've been executed and their assets seized. As is, they reasoned Bullseye Corp was an acceptable Corp and worth keeping in its current form.
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>>5919522
Well yeah! Order of Rangers my friend.

Is the guy who made the emblem for the Erudition here?
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>>5919523
Yeah, it's starting to get old and slow. Much like Albin and Otto themselves. Shouldn't be much else to bother with, save some dice on my part and a couple of choices on how Otto's chosen to name his children and spent the last decade.
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>>5919531
lemme guess, 2 girls then a boy?
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>>5919533
I'm convinced it's a certainty.
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>>5919522
Maybe to the Order of Ecology? The Environmental Order? The Order of Ranger-Knights Environmental?
Something along those lines.
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>>5919540
Just keep it simple, Order of Rangers is a fine name. Im still thinking about the emblem.
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I think I got it, a sun rising on a horizon with a hawk rising with it all within the shape of a shield.

It's similar to this Clear Sky emblem but without the clouds, birds in the corner and the asymmetry but adding a rising hawk to the center. Man if my PC wasn't broken I'd be cooking this myself.
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Albin has had an incredibly long, fruitful reign by every measure. It's hard for any man to look his mortality in the eye, even moreso for an Emperor, but he admits to himself that he's getting too old for this. The time has come for him to step down and allow his son, Otto, the chance to claim the throne. Only one deed remains to be done in his time as Emperor...

>>5919493
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>>5919520
By his decree, a grand ceremony is held on Mars for all of the masses to spectate, commemorating the official rebranding of the ERC! The Empire is surely amazed at this display excellence. Albin's loyal rangers certainly are! The festivities go on for a full month before their new name is revealed.

Henceforth, the ERC shall be known as...

>The Emperor's Ranger Circle. In a stroke of genius, this will allow them to keep their current logo.
>The Order of Ecology. This would be in keeping with the convention established by the Order of Erudition.
>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.
>Something Else. He has another, better idea.

After this is declared, fireworks are launched, an orchestra plays, and Albin takes off his crown. It is a somber moment, but a triumphant one as well. In fact, Albin did so much as Emperor, it is difficult for historians to record! Nonetheless, it will be done.

By the Emperor's will, the Emperor's will be done.

>The Reign of Albin Heinrich has come to an end.
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>>5919564
>In his 67 years of rule, Albin renovated the royal palace, significantly expanded environmental protections, established a system of planetary parks, continued his father's shipyard expansions, granted Hookware Corp an imperial charter, strengthened and reformed the ERC, strengthened the Royal Guard, founded the ISL, Crown Corp, and the Order of Erudition, initiated trade relations with the Osgus State and Mukvir Kingdom, oversaw the conquest of the Federation of Uvarth and consolidation of its stars, decisively won the second civil war against the Tripartite Entente, erased House Rothsford for its treason, and issued a number of reforms to the Empire, including but not limited to the establishment of the Landstaat and Privy Council.
>He abdicated at 90 years old, to allow the imperial heir and his firstborn son Otto to seize the throne.

How will he spend his retirement?

>Overseeing the Rangers. With his influence, they'll inevitably grow stronger and better regarded as an organization.
>Speaking with the Osgus State. As a diplomat, he may better relations with the squids and popularize the ISL.
>Resting after a life long-lived. Finally, he can explore the territories of the Empire without the responsibilities of reign holding him back.
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>>5919564
>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.
The thread is dead! Long live the thread!
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>>5919568
>Overseeing the Rangers. With his influence, they'll inevitably grow stronger and better regarded as an organization.
It would really come full circle, remember his hunt with his Arthen friends?
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>>5919542
>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.
Like the other anon said best to keep it simple.

>>5919568
>Overseeing the Rangers. With his influence, they'll inevitably grow stronger and better regarded as an organization.

>>5919571
Man, that sounds kino.
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>>5919564
>The Order of Ecology. This would be in keeping with the convention established by the Order of Erudition.
My autism compels me to stick to a theme

>>5919568
>Resting after a life long-lived. Finally, he can explore the territories of the Empire without the responsibilities of reign holding him back.
Another safari with Clara, to really come full circle. Let Otto rule without his dad looking over his shoulder.
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>>5919564
>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.
>>5919568
>Resting after a life long lived. Finally, he can explore the territories of the Empire without the responsibilities of reign holding him back.
Watch as he disappears into a jungle world never to be seen again

Props to Albin for being the first Emperor of the Heinrich dynasty to reach retirement
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>>5919522
Chur thanks for the refresher.

Welp. Time to reform the military and go full Warhammer 40k on those varaks.

Gotta kill those varaks. And prepare for war with the kingdom.

Has it been a generation since the federation fought them? I'm hoping they're still weak.

Time to send scouts.

Also can we optimize uplifting frontier worlds to core worlds? Would that be reforms or standardization?
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>>5919564
>Something Else. He has another, better idea.
>Speaking with the Osgus State. As a diplomat, he may better relations with the squids and popularize the ISL.
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>>5919591
It's difficult to tell without deeper knowledge of their species but by conjecture, the imperial court estimates it's been roughly two generations. Scholars feel there's no call for alarm as the Vrakaks suffered incredible damage during their war against the Federation, but there really is no certainty how much of a threat they pose. The Spool Enthoulian and Zuur'al Republic remain an enigmatic, potentially dangerous unknown.
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>>5919591
Regarding uplifting frontier worlds, that would require extensive efforts on a technological and civilizational scale. Some frontier worlds are marginally capable of human habitation and incapable of advancing further with what's currently possible, but some are simply sparsely populated with underdeveloped infrastructure. Of core worlds, roughly one in twenty has the potential to become a true jewel of civilization, which represents both billions of inhabitants and a versatile, thriving economy.
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>>5919568
>The Order of Ecology. This would be in keeping with the convention established by the Order of Erudition.
>Overseeing the Rangers. With his influence, they'll inevitably grow stronger and better regarded as an organization.
Keep them in line. Can't have them slip out of Heinrich influence anytime soon.
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>>5919564
While not the literal giga chad that was his father whose genuinely only flaw was that he didn't live longer all in all Albin was a pretty good (if autistic) emperor.

>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.

>Overseeing the Rangers. With his influence, they'll inevitably grow stronger and better regarded as an organization.
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>>5919584

Supporting this! Albin’s done so much better than I expected given his childhood zoological autism
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>>5919564
>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.
>>5919568
>Overseeing the Rangers. With his influence, they'll inevitably grow stronger and better regarded as an organization.
Also
>67 years of rule
Shouldn't it be 69 years? Wasn't he 21 when he ascended the throne?
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>>5919564
>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.
>Resting after a life long-lived. Finally, he can explore the territories of the Empire without the responsibilities of reign holding him back.
Let the old bones rest. He can go and retire to a cabin on a distant world and teach the local young'uns about nature until his ashes are scattered amongst the trees.
Anna must be dodging death saves at this point. Wonder how close the old battleaxe will get to Lughan. We should measure all lifespans in Lughans from now on, Albin is currently 0.63 Lughans old.
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>>5919325
>Order of Rangers. They are commoners and knightly chivalry isn't theirs to claim, instead you'll devise a new rank. These rangers will immerse themselves in the wild they're sworn to defend, and stand stubborn against all attempts to unduly exploit it.

Love this
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>>5919564
>>The Order of Rangers. Direct and to the point, with no thematic ambiguity.
>>Resting after a life long-lived. Finally, he can explore the territories of the Empire without the responsibilities of reign holding him back.
Go on a safari, rest, relax, make some scientific breakthrough just before you die, etc. etc.
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>>5919693
I believe was 23 when he ascended to the throne, as he was 18 when his mother gave him time to study before assuming the throne. Anna then had a standard 5 year turn, which would've made Albin 23. I'll admit I -might- be misremembering but that's what I've gotten and extrapolated from my notes. The historical record can be off, at times, but the scribes do their best.
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>>5919727
Not gonna vote anon?
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Rolled 4, 1, 2, 6 = 13 (4d6)

>>5919569
>>5919571
>>5919578
>>5919584
>>5919588
>>5919597
>>5919619
>>5919620
>>5919627
>>5919693
>>5919719
>>5919727
>>5919732
Albin renamed the ERC the Order of Rangers! This caused them to lose most of the awe of their forerunner's martyrdom but has likewise undone most of the piratical stigma surrounding the organization. For better or worse, the Rangers have been given a fresh start!

Albin couldn't decide between overseeing the Order of Rangers and retiring to a life of leisure with his wife, so he chose both! Until the day he dies, he plans to serve an advisory role and use his nominal status as First Ranger as an excuse to gallivant across the Empire on reckless camping trips. For him and Clara, it's like the first year their love began, save for the fact that it has sweetened with age.

In the years after his marriage with Jeanne, Otto was faced with a difficult dilemma. For the first time, he had to think of his future as an Emperor instead of violently seizing territory for the Empire. He was growing old, at 49, and in a mild scandal, his wife, while sympathetic toward his disfigurement, was less than half his age at 22.

What did Otto do after his honeymoon on Vintrola?

>He spent time with Jeanne at the imperial palace, contributing to the next generation of House Heinrich. (1d6+1 possible heirs, closer familial relationship.)
>He refused to accept the weakness of age and turned to steroids, cybernetics, and constant training. (1d4 possible heirs, Otto's strength is preserved and he grows more intimidating.)
>He took his family to the court of House Arthen and brought them closer to the throne. (1d4+1 possible heirs, House Arthen's relations improve)
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>>5919753
>He spent time with Jeanne at the imperial palace, contributing to the next generation of House Heinrich. (1d6+1 possible heirs, closer familial relationship.)
No neglected children in the family!
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>>5919753
>He spent time with Jeanne at the imperial palace, contributing to the next generation of House Heinrich. (1d6+1 possible heirs, closer familial relationship.)
The Heinrich family sticks together!
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>>5919753
>He spent time with Jeanne at the imperial palace, contributing to the next generation of House Heinrich. (1d6+1 possible heirs, closer familial relationship.)
Ignore the haters, give the wife some kisses. And maybe soften up a bit.
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>>5919761
>give the wife some kisses
Anon, I... I'm afraid that isn't possible.
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>>5919753
>He spent time with Jeanne at the imperial palace, contributing to the next generation of House Heinrich. (1d6+1 possible heirs, closer familial relationship.)
Was about to be a grammar nazi about Otto's age but then I realized it was about the time after the honeymoon.
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>>5919765
Having a cool mask always comes with a price.
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>>5919765
Hugs it is then?
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>>5919765
Oh fuck you're right. Hugs it is then.
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>>5919753
>He spent time with Jeanne at the imperial palace, contributing to the next generation of House Heinrich. (1d6+1 possible heirs, closer familial relationship.)
Plap plap plap, get pregnant get pregnant
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>>5919771
Yeah, this is a retroactive choice of sorts. I figured that's the easiest way to handle it, given everything Albin was up to at the time and the density of rolls.

>>5919772
Indeed. Sometimes the price is just in the manufacture, but not always.

>>5919773
>>5919775
Otto is a hugger.
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>>5919753

>He spent time with Jeanne at the imperial palace, contributing to the next generation of House Heinrich. (1d6+1 possible heirs, closer familial relationship.)

Do your duty, Otto. Maybe you can sneak in some combat reps once you have a few heirs
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>>5919781
I think he'd make a good hugger. He's a big guy with big arms, though perhaps not quite as soft as some. Definitely big spoon.
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>>5919754
>>5919759
>>5919761
>>5919771
>>5919776
Otto admitted to himself that his prime was behind him and it was finally time to settle down. In those years among the stone halls and torchlit chambers of the royal palace, he became close to Jeanne. Though they never understood each other's stance on warfare, they slowly reached a deeper understanding of each other.

In those days, House Heinrich grew.

>Roll 1d6+1 for potential heirs
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5919789
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>5919789
Otto better have goldenballs
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>>5919792
Girl, girl, boy, girl
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The next update or two had better wrap up this thread. This is a threat.
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>>5919801
I wish we could've made it to 3000. Wait... did you edit a screencap of your browser into the image?
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>>5919801
>>5919804
Kek
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>>5919804
Yes I did. Enjoy trying to guess the thumbnails.
I'm not very good at using the Rotate/Zoom tool in PDN, as it turns out.
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>>5919789
You know, next set of reforms, we should codify Emperor and Heir bonding and honeymoons. This will be the one and only restriction on the power of the Emperor. He MUST love his family.
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Rolled 6, 2, 2, 2 = 12 (4d6)

>>5919753
>>5919792
Otto and Jeanne had six offspring in total those days, or rather, the potential for them. An Empire of billions may have depended on the results, but the genetic lottery and vagaries of birth are not so easily predicted.

>commencing rolls
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Rolled 5, 3, 4, 3 = 15 (4d6)

>>5919884
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Rolled 5, 2, 3, 6 = 16 (4d6)

>>5919885
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Rolled 3, 1, 5, 6 = 15 (4d6)

>>5919887
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Rolled 4, 3, 6, 2 = 15 (4d6)

>>5919889
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>>5919889
Uh oh.
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THE NUMBERS MASON, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
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The Eternal Empire was stunned into silence by what transpired then. Just as Emperor Albin was consorting with Mukvir and drafting reforms, his ruler's psyche blind to all save his duties, Otto and Jeanne shattered the rumoured curse on House Heinrich. Jeanne bore not one, not two, nor three, nor four, nay even five, but six sons in total. All healthy, all in excellent condition.

Each was different, and their raising demanded a different approach.

>>5919753
The first son grew with a strong, vigorous frame and keen, bright mind. Like his father, he was of a direct and blunt temperament, though unlike him, he inherited a spot of the De Croize eccentricities. He deeply enjoys fighting, albeit in a much more visceral way than Otto, but doesn't go out of his way to sate this bloodlust.

What did Otto name his firstborn son, and how was he raised?

>>5919884
The second son proved to be stout and clever, with a knack for puzzles. He shared his mother's thoughtfulness and disliked physical competitions, but was quite fond of more abstract, tactical wargames. Notably, he has the appetite of three children but metabolism is only slightly faster than average.

What did Otto name his secondborn son, and how was he raised?

>>5919885
The third son took after his grandmother, Anna, and was of an average size and timid. Initially, he was seen as a potential failure, before it came to light that he was comfortable in groups and had a sharp wit and grasp of language.

What did Otto name his thirdborn son, and how was he raised?

>>5919887
The fourth son resembled his grandfather, Alphonse, and showed a breathtaking degree of finesse, coordination, and stamina. The boy had a subtle, calm temperament but greatly enjoyed winning and dedicated himself in his entirety to everything he did. He showed signs of a prodigal duelist in the making, a virtuoso of the blade, inheriting his father's talents and building yet further on them.

What did Otto name his fourthborn son, and how was he raised?

>>5919889
The fifth son bore the typical De Croize features, sharp face and a lightness to his feet, paired with an uncustomarily large and broad size, and was the smartest of the lot by far. The boy was a genius who had no interest in physical competition, which is a shame, as he showed signs of deep athletic potential. In a slight concern, he didn't seem to care about other people. Not cruelly, rather, of a profound apathy.

What did Otto name his fifthborn son, and how was he raised?

>>5919890
The sixth son was much like the first, arguably Otto born over, with the same talents nigh-verbatim. He had a deeply competitive spirit and enjoyed beating others, in contests or any other context, and his easygoing demeanour hid a violent mean streak.

What did Otto name his sixthborn son, and how was he raised?
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>>5919909
...we are so going to get a succession crisis.
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>>5919801
Duly noted. It seems you all got rather lucky with the genetic rolls, although if this isn't managed carefully, this could be a curse in disguise.

>>5919818
Enshrining traditions for future Emperors is very much possible to do, and difficult for any one to overcome once it's gone a few generations deep.
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>>5919920
6 bright stars and 1 throne.
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>>5919930
>>5919930

We need an Allegiance Council.

A grouping of all Descendents of The Astronomicon that meet to discuss and debate Heinrich family issues and to recommend the heir to the throne.

Works for the Saudis
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>>5919904
I think the first is ease of birth and the second is gender (3 and below are male), as for the next 2 I think they may relate to what traits they take from each of their parental lines but that is just a guess.
>>5919909
Jeanne... I kneel.

The first son I suggest be named Ferdinand and should be raised with a mix of military training but also to develop his mind. He contains the best of both lines and it is imperative we develop them as he is the first prince and thus the heir.

The second son should be named Leopold and obviously should be raised with either naval combat or a career in the army as a backline General which would fit his abilities and personality.

The third son should be named Grayson after his great grandfather (Anna's dad) due to his obvious Soluton looks and I guess just give him a general education as it seems his abilities suit him to be a negotiator or public speaker, perhaps the overseer/speaker of the Landstaad in the future?

The fourth son should be named Alphonse because he looks like him and it seems that training him to be a master swordsman is the way to go. Naval command would also be decent as he has the attributes for it.

The fifth son should be named Theo and it's pretty clear he should become the head of the Order of Erudition in the future so give him a dozen PhDs.

The sixth and final son should be named Konstantin and obviously, he goes straight to the Astronomicon

As for general raising, I suggest both parents be involved deeply as each of these guys can become an actual Meagor, physically and politically. Furthermore, make sure that the family sticks close together and teaches them the importance of FAMILY and that KINSLAYING is BAD. Jeanne being a war hater may actually be good as it should serve as a good counterbalance to Otto which should temper any of the more violent ideas in their heads.

I am going to go even further here and suggest that they also make regular trips to Anna and their grandparents to really drive in the idea of family and that they shouldn't kill each other to get the throne. Also, read them bedtime stories on what a dick Jukka was.

To sum it up: do everything we can to make sure these idiots don't start the war of 6 Emperors.

>>5919934
I like the idea, mostly just to make sure that the direct imperial family and the extended Heinrich house remain close and not become too distant with time.
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>>5919909
Have the firstborn be taught fighting personally by his father and tutored by some of the best tacticians from the Martial Houses, call him Georg.
Have the second one be trained both by the best war tacticians in the Empire and the Order of Erudition. Call him Jung.
Third son should be taught by different language speakers, diplomats and the like. Call him Edgar.
Have the forth be taught by the Order of Rangers and by the finest warriors. Cultivate the best parts of his personality. Have him called Franz.
Have the fifth be taught by the very best in the Order of Erudition and have him be personally tutored by the best researchers and scholars in it. Call him Johann.
Have the forth be taught personally by his father as well and use his violent demeanor by participating in various sports tournaments. Call him Erich.

>>5919934
We definitely need something for the future to ensure that all members of House Heinrich are aligned.
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>>5919940
We are not naming one of our sons feken Jung. That's the type of name you get made fun of in school for cause it sounds too close to certain other funny words.
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>>5919909
>>5919940
Oh and the other anon has the right idea in teaching all the kids that are tactically and martially.
Also change Jung name to Leopold.

>>5919943
Jung is a cool name, but alright.
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>>5919909
Otto finally broke the fuckin curse of Heinrich only having daughters, godamn

Anyways, throwing my hat into the ring for the names and education

Firstborn and heir
N: Berthold
E: He will be groomed for the throne and battlefield, and allowed to pursue any particularly scholarly or combative area of interest as a specialization

Second born
N:Reginar
E: He will be prepared to be a general/ tactician for his elder brother, encouraged through his war game hobby

Thirdborn
N:Adelbert
E: His natural talents will be encouraged, and he will be trained to use the gift of the tongue as a politician or velvet dagger for house Heingrich

Fourthborn
N: Aloïs
E: He will be given the finest tutors to hone his bladework into a true artform, and will be trained as a warrior like our heir, but on smaller scale. His place is as the head of an elite bodyguard, if all goes well

Fifthborn
N: Wendelin
E: Hand him to the nightshade, that apathy shall become his strength. His intellect will be turned against the hidden enemies of house heinrich

Sixthborn
N: Ulbrecht
E: Give him a choice of the battlefield or sportsfield, if its the former, he will be trained to be an enforcer of Imperial laws
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>>5919939
I'm thinking +1
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>>5919909
Generally teach them all that family is extremely important and that kinslaying is bad.

>1st son
Call him Wilhelm. Have Otto personally train him, and have him be taught in naval warfare by Angelica. Train his mind too, maybe get a good tutor from the Order of Erudition. Also have him visit Albin and maybe the Order of Rangers, mostly so he can be taught about governing.

>2nd son
Call him Leopold. Have him be taught in the art of warfare and encourage him to become either an admiral or a field marshal.

>3rd son
Call him Grayson. Have him be taught as a diplomat in the Lanstaat. Give him a general education otherwise.

>4th son
Call him Franz. Give him the best physical tutoring in skill and finesse. Have him be taught in naval warfare as well, and give him a good education to emphasize his skills.

>5th son
Call him Johann. Have him be taught by the best of the best in the Order of Erudition.

>6th son
Call him Ulbrecht. Give him physical and mock battle training with the Order of Rangers, let him learn some of their knightly ways. Give him a good education, have him compete in sports if he wishes.
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>>5919909
>>5919940
I'll change my vote to support >>5919961
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>>5919939
Support
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>>5919939
+1, always good to have family bonding, though I am doubtful of the dangers of a succession war merely because we have many sons. In fact, that should make it less likely, so long as we have a clear line of succession, since it's very unlikely they all get killed off.
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>>5919939
I like all the ideas and names except for Ferdinand. Can't it be Richter, Alaric or Arminius instead?
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>>5919939

Supporting all this. All sons should have “House Heinrich sticks together” hammered into their brains at all times, and given that there has been a recent civil war, it shouldn’t be too hard for these guys to see the wisdom of this message
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>>5920242
Ferdinand seems fine to me
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>>5920314
All it brings to my mind is a royal who is most known for getting shot.
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>>5919909
Tyrone - Fighting
Jackson - Video games
Patrice - Acting
Darnell - Fighting
Terrell - Reading
Jamal - Fighting
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>>5920317
I'm reminded of the old Spanish king, but yeah, Archduke Ferdinand did get himself got.
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>>5919909
Hol up, how did we get six children? We rolled 4+1 = 5 in >>5919792, unless that wasn't directly for the number of children?
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>>5920359
I rolled for their honeymoon as well, here >>5919753. The roll for possible heirs was in addition to the first.
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>>5920359
I think we had one child from the honeymoon >>5919753
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>>5919939
>>5919945
>>5919960
>>5919961
>>5919965
>>5920162
>>5920211
>>5920245
>>5920318
Otto named his firstborn son Ferdinand. As he was the imperial prince and showed both physical and mental talents, he was given a balanced, martial yet academic upbringing.

Jeanne named her secondborn son Leopold, after a revered admiral of the De Croize line. The boy was raised to take on a strategic mindset and one day assume a leading position.

Otto named his thirdborn son Grayson II, in acknowledgement of his great-grandfather Grayson Soluton. He was given a general education with no particular leanings.

Otto named his fourthborn son Alphonse II, due to the boy’s striking resemblance of his grandfather. There could be no question of his potential, so he was trained from birth to exploit it and serve a role in military command.

Jeanne named her fifthborn son Theo, in a bid to mend simmering resentment with House Lochstrum. Because he showed an impressive intellect even from an early age, the finest tutors of the Order of Erudition were given the heavy duty to see his mind reach its full potential.

Otto named his sixthborn Konstantin. Seeing himself in the boy, he didn’t hesitate to have him sent to the Astronomicon Academy, to have his talents for war refined in full.

Fearing the dangers of ambition running hot, Otto and Jeanne take the time to immerse themselves in the rearing of their sons, and do their best to foster a deep bond between them, and to the greater House Heinrich.

Time will tell how well this succeeds.

Even as the last of Albin’s generation begins to fade, Otto assumes the throne and makes a path for his progeny. The great-grandsons of the legendary Alphonse, in them lies the hope the Empire will endure. No matter what may come, in the here and now, the future of House Heinrich is bright.

Hail to the Emperor! Hail to the Heinrich line! Long may they reign!

>End of Thread #2
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That's it for thread #2. I'll be archiving this soon, and posting thread #3 either this weekend, monday, or tuesday, as my next couple of days are going to be busy and I figure I'll use that time to prep. More specifically, to chart out the numerous factions of the Empire in detail, and streamline some things, including a historical timeline of events, as it's only going to get harder to do the longer the quest goes on.

I'm glad you've all been enjoying the quest! House Heinrich's competence continues to surprise me. Next thread, there'll be a vote on whether to continue using the standard d6 or to switch over to a more nuanced d12. I figure we can use the rest of this thread to talk. Do you have any questions about the setting? Besides that, I've been a little curious. Who's been your favourite member of the dynasty so far? Favourite non-dynastic admiral? Which is your favourite house besides Heinrich?
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>>5920371
Thanks for running QM, it has been a rollercoaster. I do wonder what Sergio has been up to after Ustong was humbled and usurped though.
>Favourite Member
Albin or Otto
>Favourite Admiral
Oskar since he was responsible for killing the brat
>Favourite house
Soluton, love our cousins.
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>>5920371
>Who's been your favourite member of the dynasty so far?
Can’t go wrong with Alphonse.

>Favourite non-dynastic admiral?
Hard to say, I don’t think we’ve interacted with them much outside of combat. Shame you specified non-dynastic, Angelica was memorable.

>Which is your favourite house besides Heinrich?
I can’t decide between Soluton and Arthen, both are cool. Would be nice to see more of them, especially Soluton. For what were supposed to be our closest allies, we didn’t talk with them very much.

Thanks for running!
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>>5920371

Love this quest, QM - you’re doing a phenomenal job.

I for one love swingy dice since it makes for more excitement, so I see nothing wrong with your d6 system
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>>5920371
Thanks for running.
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>>5920371
>Do you have any questions about the setting?
What is the lingua franca of the Empire? Could be English since it's the one we have today but it could be Latin if those early aristocrats went hard on returning to the old ways. What about religion? How has that developed?

>Who's been your favourite member of the dynasty so far?
Albin but that's mainly because he's been the one we've been following the most. Wish we saw the POVs of more Heinrichs, especially Karl.

>Favourite non-dynastic admiral?
Hard to say since they haven't left much of an impression.

>Which is your favourite house besides Heinrich?
Arthen. They were rather charming in spite of their lack of screentime.
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>>5920371
You had 250 posters and only three of them thanked you for this quest. I'd laugh, but it's too damn depressing.
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>>5920671

as a QM myself, quest participation is better than thanks
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>>5920671
Not this again.

>>5920678
Im of the same mind.
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>>5920371
Thank you QM, have a good one.
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>>5920371
>>5920678
>>5920682
You give and you give, and they take and they take, nary with a form of gratitude, and worse yet, instead of correcting their behavior, they make excuses for themselves and one another, finding fault with the one who acknowledged this deplorable conduct. Truly heart-wrenching.

This is peak fatherless behavior. You don't deserve that, QM. You're worth more than that.
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>>5920720
Your use of histrionic prose is vapid.

In fact, it leads me to believe this is bait to farm (You)s. Kind of a shame to end the thread in such a note either way.
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>>5920371
Lit thread. Thanks for the ride qm. See ya next thread.

The female admiral was dope. Our aunt I believe.
D12

Uh I forget which minor house junger or loch I think. That bodied the enemy On our behalf twice. Bags.

I really enjoy the fact that we can make people minor or major houses and the political intrigue.

Feels well balanced between our plans going well and bad things happening to us like the Civil War kicking off. (Even though we kind of wanted it to happen)
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>>5920371
>Do you have any questions about the setting?
How does FTL work? Is the tech behind it well understood, or do we have tech priests in charge of our ships' engine rooms?
>favourite member of the dynasty so far?
I had my misgivings about Albin while Alphonse lived, but he proved to be a very based eco autist. Gotta go with him.
>Favourite non-dynastic admiral?
I don't remember any of them. I didn't even remember we had a loyal admiral who was a Rothsford, his service might have deserved some leniency for the lesser and least members of his house.
>Which is your favourite house besides Heinrich?
Very difficult decision, but I'll have to go with Nightshayd, with Soluton a very, very close second. Competent spies and assassins are some of the best friends an Emperor can have.

>>5920720
lmao, here's your complimentary (you). Keep seething anon
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>>5920366
Can't wait too see how history unfolded.
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>>5920371
You okay QM? No QM curse activity I hope?
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Thread #2 has been archived!
>https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2024/5887382/

>>5921836
No curse activity yet, I've got my head on a swivel I've just been involved with my family for the last couple of days. Things are going well.

>>5920380
In the years since House Ustong was humbled, Sergio has done his best to cooperate with Aurelia's reign and use his status as Antonio's son to repress lingering resentment toward the throne. Because both frontier worlds left to them are damaged and lack infrastructure, Ustong has shifted toward cattle ranching and is struggling to keep their fleet (left to them in consideration of Aurelia) voidworthy. This has taken a vast majority of their dynasty's income and has required deep sacrifices to keep operational. It's likely at some point in the future to be broken apart and sold to the highest bidder. If not, barring a stroke of luck or genius, House Ustong's finances will remain paralyzed in the future. Either way, they have been utterly undone as a threat to House Heinrich.

>>5920478
The lingua franca of the Empire is the Martian Dialect, often referred to as the Imperial Tongue or less formally, Marsspeak, a language that took root sometime after the shattering of old Earth left swathes of the Empire in despair and looking for direction. Structurally, it is similar to English and retains many of its words, but elements of other tongues have blended in over time and a great deal of lingual drift has occurred over the centuries. It is roughly as comprehensible to the average 21st century Earth inhabitant as they would be in the foothills of Britain around the 8th century.

The Empire itself contains hundreds of languages and thousands of dialects, which are for the most part planet-bound and strongly discouraged in official contexts. Of note, Gus and his clan make a point of using Tennsey-speech even in correspondence with the highest echelons of nobility. Knowledge of the Martian Dialect is emphasized in the Order of Erudition's curriculum to bring the masses closer to the throne, and in the past, has been one of the many barriers between commoners and the nobility.
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>>5922176
Religion is a rather complex topic and organized faiths are, for the most part, frowned on for worry they'll subvert the masses' devotion to the nobility. Almost none have been allowed to extend beyond their planetary wells and notably devout commoners are widely looked over for promotion into the imperial bureaucracy. This is because there have been numerous religious uprisings in the past, some quite successful, though the censure surrounding them is nowhere near as significant as that on transhumanism. Of these, the most severe were the anti-tech Black Turban Jihad, which shattered the imperial armada at the time and (ironically enough) was only stopped through use of previously forbidden weapons, and the messianic faith of the Rapturous Dawn, which managed to secede from the Empire proper for a handful of centuries. The Xenocult is not considered a faith by scholars, but an infection to be eradicated at all costs.

A belief in a greater mind behind, or subtle oneness within the 'Cosmos' is ubiquitous, and most popular religions are oriented around variations of this. Superstition on the other hand, is quite abundant. The idea that ships are somehow alive or possess souls of their own is almost universal among voidsmen, but such things have been since the invention of the sail. Beliefs of luck and fate are common, and opaque rituals are frequently practiced by the various planetary populations. Some are convinced in reincarnation, which is mildly encouraged by the Empire, as it leaves commoners more contented, but this is far from unanimous. A possible afterlife or of full cessation of consciousness is a matter of some contention and debate. The Empire has tried to enforce a secular zeal for the legacy of old Earth in lieu of traditional mysticism, to much success among the nobility and patriotic sorts, though it hasn't caught on in full.

>>5920774
The Empire's FTL method is the Hypershunt, which punctures a brief opening in spacetime, allowing a vessel to- in the instant before the universe self-corrects- transition into an adjacent dimension where mass technically doesn't exist, while protecting the mass of the vessel by producing a 'continuum field', where the physics that allow a vessel to exist are preserved. Because this adjacent dimension, commonly referred to as the Hypervoid, lacks mass, the continuum field can be accelerated to a theoretically infinite speed through distance, which does exist, without risk while that within the continuum field is unaffected. Retaining an understanding of precisely where a vessel is within the Hypervoid without any reference point, and more importantly, where to exit, requires incredibly complex mathematics that the Empire handles through select, carefully trained savants (usually but not always with cybernetically-enhanced but limited capacities) working in concert with shackled computers to calculate movement.
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>>5922179
The Hypershunt method has several downsides. Namely, it takes a massive degree of energy to initiate and relies on the continuum field to continue traveling. If the continuum field suffers the slightest breech, this leads to a localized false vacuum decay as artificially maintained reality attempts to equalize with the Hypervoid. Fortunately, the process of maintaining an already induced continuum field (through the Shunt Reactor) is energy efficient, has numerous backups onboard any proper ship, and is quite painless in the event that it does occur. The Empire has a fairly deep understanding of the Hypershunt's limitations and have extensive star charts for ease of travel within the Empire, however, the Lost Reaches are uncharted and navigating them, as well as returning to imperial space, are daunting prospects for the unprepared. The difficulties of surmounting these challenges are responsible for most of the computational development in human space over the last half a millennium, though advances tend to be hoarded by the noble houses and merchant interests responsible for them.

>>5920383
I specified non-dynastic, as otherwise it would've been Alphonse or Angelica down the line, hahaha. I hope to give the various noble houses more screentime. They all have a fair amount going on beneath the surface.

>>5920401
I also like swingy dice but there isn't going to be any lack of excitement if you opt to switch to the d12, as I'll still be using the d6 for rolls relating to events involving the Empire and other factions. The d12 would just govern your own rolls and even out the heights of success and lows of failure, for better or worse.

>>5920478
More POVs from Heinrichs are always fun, though it's a bit difficult to pull off while keeping the Emperor/Admiral perspective chain we've been doing. I'll definitely be posting more interludes in the future.

>>5920764
Angelica would be your aunt, yes. In the years since she's reached prominence, there's been a chance that any given imperial (rather than noble, with the exception of House Soluton) admiral could be a female, though none have come up yet. Something interesting is that, as among the Mukvir, the thorns are the most violent and warlike of the sexes, the ratio would be inverted on their part, with a minority of scant admirals, and no possibility of flowers. Most species have a degree of sexual dimorphism but some lack it almost entirely, Mankind is squarely in the middle, whereas Osgus can only be clearly differentiated by the thickness of their tentacles, which varies depending on which stage in their decade long reproductive cycle they're at.

The political intrigue is definitely one of my favourite parts of the quest, too. That, and the dynamics between the various factions in the Empire. With House Heinrich's massively increased influence outside of the royal dynasty, and Crown Corp, Thread #3 is likely going to get into a lot more of that.
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>>5922182
>>5920774
House Rothsford arguably did receive a degree of leniency, considering their high treason. They were erased as a house but there are still hundreds of thousands of former Rothsfords who surrendered to the Empire early on and were given the chance to abandon their names to become commoners, although most chose execution instead, and they're still scattered across the Empire. Most previous dynasties would've torn them out by the roots for daring to declare an Emperor of their own. There were whispers of hypocrisy on House Heinrich's part as Alphonse did the exact same thing not even two generations earlier, but these remain whispers. Of course, the most fundamental difference is that House Heinrich won, while House Vonduul and the Tripartite Entente lost.

>>5920823
I'm excited to see myself. I'm thinking about potentially taking a week off to start next monday, or tuesday, so that I have more time to prep and let the creative juices percolate. I've got a lot of inspiration for Simple Space Empire in general.
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>>5922184
>>5920406
>>5920671
>>5920720
I appreciate the sentiment but as anon says >>5920678 discussion in the thread as it's ongoing means much more to me than a thanks after it's done. Though I do appreciate both. Your sophistry aside, I suspect you'd enjoy the quest more if you actually made votes you agreed with, instead of contrarian shitposting ala >>5920318 because (I am assuming) you're still frustrated that Anna, who lucked into the throne in a fluke due to Alphonse's assassination, made both sexes of commoners equally inferior to nobles under the law and rolled a critical success that allowed it to take root with the masses despite preexisting cultural inertia to the contrary. It was a historical footnote that's done less for the Empire than the establishment of the Guilds, and I don't see why it's warranted this level of passive-aggressive bitching and hundreds of negative votes, but I don't care.

I'm aware there are differences between men and women, et al, and have written perspectives from both sexes differently while trying to make each of them distinct, fully-realized characters in their own right. The Empire is not a postmodern state with a reasonable balance of powers and concern for the welfare of its constituents, it's a militant authoritarian regime that practices archaic feudalism well into the futuristic age, cracks down on outspoken dissidents with castration and forced labour in worse-than-arctic conditions, and hates the idea of democracy and commoners claiming equality to the nobles over them so viciously it's cause for summary public execution. This quest is not about modern politics, it's about navigating space politics and the lead dynasty, which has been practicing arranged marriage and eugenics three generations deep now without anyone so much as batting an eye, holding onto rule for as long as possible, by any means possible. I'm glad that you're still following the quest because on some level you want to see what happens next, I just hope you can come to enjoy it like you had been earlier in Thread #1. If not, it's no problem to me, I'll continue updating either way.
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who as the loyal Rothsford and what happened to them?
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>>5922251
>>5912156
>The old admiral Jonah weeps for his fallen house and curses your name so viciously the words exchanged cannot be committed to the historical record.
>He is summarily executed for treason.
Felt bad desu. I would have voted for a tiny bit of leniency if he had made an appeal, for the sake of his service.
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>>5922179
>A belief in a greater mind behind, or subtle oneness within the 'Cosmos' is ubiquitous, and most popular religions are oriented around variations of this.
Even more reason to use the Mandate idea, though it should be steered towards a greater mind or subtle oneness within humanity in the cosmos rather than the cosmos itself.

When are you gonna stop teasing us and really address this "Xenocult"?

>Some are convinced in reincarnation, which is mildly encouraged by the Empire, as it leaves commoners more contented, but this is far from unanimous. A possible afterlife or of full cessation of consciousness is a matter of some contention and debate.
Full cessation of consciousness but veneration of ancestors and thoughtfulness to descendants is what I would encourage.

>The Empire has tried to enforce a secular zeal for the legacy of old Earth in lieu of traditional mysticism, to much success among the nobility and patriotic sorts, though it hasn't caught on in full.
Another reason to use the Mandate, it would tap into this unused mysticism but also syncretize it with the secular zeal. It's a mysticism of the human condition after all.

>More POVs from Heinrichs are always fun, though it's a bit difficult to pull off while keeping the Emperor/Admiral perspective chain we've been doing. I'll definitely be posting more interludes in the future.
You could try to have more character interactions rather than POV switches too, have the Emperor meeting and talking with his family. A bit of slice of life to show off the characters.
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>>5922441
I think the Xenocult is funnier as a running gag that's never spoken of directly desu
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>>5922443
Same
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>>5922443
>>5922482
First rule of the Xenocult is we don't talk about the Xenocult?
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>>5922186
Strategy, not tactics.

The quest is becoming one of modern politics and I don't enjoy that. I'm satirically voting because it doesn't matter, there is a very real concentrated effort to force the quest to go a certain way and any votes otherwise are non grata.

I enjoy the quest, but when bad actors start injecting their own poisonous ideology going against the spirit and premise of the quest which you have so named, I take offense.

Within the next thread, a woman will be leading the throne, the establishment of nobles will be eradicated, and democracy will be implemented.

I just pray that such a thing will not pass, since being a neutral party means you will not interfere in such an endeavour.
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>>5922513
While the worry was understandable at the time it was being voted on (I was worried too when I was reading the first thread), I think it's become increasingly clear that this won't become that type of story.

>there is a very real concentrated effort to force the quest to go a certain way and any votes otherwise are non grata.
Where?

>Within the next thread, a woman will be leading the throne, the establishment of nobles will be eradicated, and democracy will be implemented.
The only one of these I think could happen is the first one. Nobody here has advocated for the latter two, much the opposite on fact.
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>>5922182
Thanks for the thread QM, one of the best on the board at the moment

>Angelica

I assume she’s retired now?

Will someone succeed her as Voidmaster, or is it an honorific role to be bestowed rarely?
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>>5920371
New thread tomorrow?
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>>5920371
>>5922176
Hello QM? Anons? Anyone home?
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>>5922251
The few loyalists of House Rothsford were, for the most part, low-ranking soldiers and functionaries who emphasized with House Heinrich's humble origins. Roughly half of those who refused to take up arms were executed by their peers, the remainder were too remotely stationed or well-connected to be punished, and so, were ignored until they managed to surrender to imperial forces or imprisoned until the civil war was over. As Rothsfords, they were stripped of their name and rendered commoners, though many went on to receive a position in the planetary bureaucracy administrating their former worlds.

>>5922372
Jonah Rothsford felt a deep, visceral sense of betrayal toward House Heinrich after the Emperor accepted the surrender of the Merchant Holdings and allowed the Corps to continue operating. He viewed the war as a meaningless waste of lives to ultimately legitimize the Corps which had been smuggling goods in the Empire and undercutting House Rothsford for generations. After House Heinrich gifted Cherry Corp a planet and outright seized Floreds Corp components from the Federation to go under its own management, he viewed the throne's preference for merchant conglomerates over noble vendors as beyond forgiveness.

These sentiments were overwhelmingly shared by House Rothsford, but Jonah was one of the earliest and most outspoken supporters of the Tripartite Entente. In a particular show of symbolism, he was the first to kneel before Zachariah III and kiss his signet ring. Jonah was an exceptional admiral in his youth, and indisputably a traitor to the throne in his old age.

>>5922441
>>5922443
>>5922482
>>5922487
Character interactions are good, definitely.

Xenocult? What Xenocult? There never was a Xenocult!

>>5922513
I haven't seen any concentrated well-poisoning, though I've done what I can to try and prevent samefagging.

>>5922699
>one of the best on the board at the moment
I'm very humbled to hear that, anon.
>I assume she's retired now?
Angelica is currently 95 years old and long retired, yes, although she stays active and is a regular instructor at the Astronomicon Academy.
>Will someone succeed her as Voidmaster, or is it an honorific role to be bestowed rarely?
That depends on the choices you'll be making next thread.

>>5924342
Most likely, I'm still working on the opening post. I'll admit, I've been slammed this last weekend and time got a little away from me.

>>5925257
Thread #3 will be either today or tomorrow
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>>5925287
God bless. Uncharacteristic QM silence puts me a bit on edge ever since DC Henchman.
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>>5925287
>Jonah was an exceptional admiral in his youth, and indisputably a traitor to the throne in his old age.
Ah, alright then. I no longer feel bad about wiping his entire line.
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>>5925287
Slightly felt bad for Jonah, not anymore
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>>5925287
Oh right one question before next thread but why did Antonio Ustong submit himself for trial willingly rather than going out (semi metaphorically) kicking and screaming like the others? Was it some semi religious belief? A broken will? Some political scheme/gamble for his life/the fate of his house? A case of dumbassery?
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>>5925696
He felt that it would bring shame on House Ustong for him to take a quick death after leading it into ruin. Antonio was expecting a torturous execution but like most members of his line, takes pride in doing things harder than they have to be. House Heinrich's choice to give him a quick hanging was an unexpected kindness, and paired with their gentle rule of their holdings, went far to enshrine them as unusually merciful for a ruling dynasty.
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QM I summon thee!
>>5925287
>Thread #3 will be either today or tomorrow
Is there another delay?
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>>5926334
I'm working on it now. There are a few interludes I'm finishing off, most likely it'll be posted later in the evening.
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>>5926340
Thanks! You must be way out west in relation to me since it was already night by the time I asked.
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>>5926340
Thank you QM, but keep in mind that you should know when to take breaks and the like. I've seen so many quests die because of burnout.
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This'll be my last post before the thread is up. It's nearing completion and will be posted sometime in the next twelve hours. I figured it's best to keep you all up-to-date on things.

Here's the puppies from last thread by the way, if any of you guys were curious about how they're doing. I've found 'em all good homes and they're getting chunkier by the hour.
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>>5926467
Based pups.
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>>5926467
wonderful little pups
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Thread #3 is up- >>5926688

>>5926430
Likely so, I'm in the middle of nowhere.

>>5926456
I'm conscious of the risks, too. If it gets to be too much, I'll let you know if I need to take a break on posting, or cut the thread short.

>>5926468
>>5926475
You better believe it. They're already pretty sharp, won't be too much longer before I can train them.
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Humour me for a bit...

Eleven
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>>5926813
Ten
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>>5926815
Nine
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>>5926816
Eight
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>>5926818
Seven
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>>5926820
Six
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>>5926821
Five
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>>5926823
Four
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>>5926824
Three
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>>5926825
Two
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>>5926826
One
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>>5926828
Last
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>>5926835
You sure?
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>>5927727
Yes
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>>5928075
Nah
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>>5929009
Nuh uh
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>>5930339
No u
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>>5930582
Yes me
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>>5930598
No way fag
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>>5930600
Oh yes nigga
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>>5930867
Lol
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>>5931091
lmao
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>>5931102
Rofl
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>>5932935
Not so fast
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>>5933739
Hold up
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>>5934055
Too slow!
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>>5934077
Not so fast



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