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Your name is Oneir Vat Numal and you are a Sotten. You are currently floating through the black vacuum of space. Without a spacesuit on, you will surely die.

Hold on.

You don't feel like you're suffocating. In fact, you're currently quite comfortable. Frankly, you can't imagine how you ended up in this situation in the first place- your short term memory is a total blur. Oh, that's it- you're asleep, and you must be dreaming. As a species that spends most of its time asleep- the ability to know when you are dreaming and when you are awake is very important. It is part of your standard educational curriculum. This place- the calm dark of space- is your dream refuge. You have trained yourself to return your imagination and consciousness here, to this pattern and illusion, to make your reality check easy. Some Sotten choose a comfortable tunnel to return to in their dreams, a childhood home or beautiful natural cavern. You dislike imagining these places; too similar to your time in the warrens. Not a place you'd like to revisit. The soft silence of space is far more preferable.

Clearly, you aren't in the real world anymore. As such, you know you are dreaming while you are in the dream. You are now lucid.

You have control over your dreams. Through your practices in dream recall and forcing- you can have and remember your lucid dreams. Essentially allowing you to experience any form of event or situation that you wish it. Instead of allowing your randomly firing neurons to determine your dream- you can make it whatever you wish. And to you? It's almost real- an incredibly convincing hallucination. Time to decide what sort of dream you'll have this time.

>Exciting
>Beautiful
>Sensual
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>>5752107
>Humorous
Let's have a good laugh.
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>>5752107
>Beautiful
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>>5752107
Oh damn, we're back, and it's a dream episode. Wonder who else's dreams we'll see...
>>5752118
I would also like a humorous dream
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>>5752118
Support
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>>5752107
>>5752118
+1
Off to a good start lmao
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>>5752107
>Beautiful
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>>5752107
>>Sensual
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>>5752118
+1
Off the rails from post 1, let's go.
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>>5752107
Ill bite at the presented options as I know your opinion on write ins Bananas
>Beautiful
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>>5752107
>>Beautiful
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>>5752107
>Sensual
Time to get the fetish of the thread outta the way…
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>>5752107
>Beautiful
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>>5752107
>>Sensual
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>>5752191
Oh no, that's later.
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>>5752118
>+1
We are so back!
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>>5752107
>>Sensual
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>>5752107
>Beautiful
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>>5752107
>>Beautiful
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>>5752107
>Sensual
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>>5752107
>Sensual

Sleep Coomer!
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>Beautiful- 7
>Sensual- 6
>Humorous- 6
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It's gotta be
>Humorous
Lads, we can't let the bloodeh coomers win
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>>5752434
This blonde lives in a totalitarian hellhole- let the Monke have some fun before his life turns into a joke ffs
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>>5752517
Oneir isn't a monke. He appears to be... Maybe some sort of marsupial? Like a koala, with all the sleeping?
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>>5752517
Anon, that's not a monke
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>>5752107
>>5752118
>Humorous
Fuck yeeeeah dreamtime space navigator wallabies, here we go!
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>>5752521
>>5752522
Ah, my mistake. I thought this was apart of the clone shenanigans.

Point still stands though- when he meets the monkes, the nightmare will begin.
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>>5752555
I think he's from one of the Seeker species?

The worms will likely wreck his civilisation before the Jaxtians can even get close
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>>5752563
We all know the Jaxians will be the knife that’ll finish them off
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>>5752563
>>5752564
Aren't we on okay terms with the Seekers, last we spoke to them? Are you thinking of the Consortium?
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>>5752576
The Seekers are the closest things we have to allies, they also haven't picked up the phone since some time before our navigators' brains got scrambled.
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>>5752576
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>>5752577
And given that they were more advanced in Starsight then us, likely as not the whole civilisation was scrambled by the same worm-trap we've just started falling into.
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Your dreams are like a gateway to an inner world; where any sensation can be remember or experienced again. You are reminded of a funny memory. In your delirious, half-sleeping state, you return to your childhood home, remembering the time at dinner when your younger sister, Sasaa Vis, got stuck going through a playtube right as your parents set the table.

How funny it was. Your entire species is capable of going through any hole that your head can fit- as is natural for a tunneling species. How did she even get stuck? Too eager for food? Sticking her arms in at the same time.

“I'm stuck! Help!” She said, falling on her side. Everyone was laughing- mostly at her expense, but it was funny too. How did you even get stuck in that flexible plastic toy? Your dream-self takes over, gently adding and exacerbating the memory- now her arms are stuck in tubes too. “Help, my arms are stuck!” Then, impossibly, several tiny tubes for her fingers stuck now too- a ridiculous look. You feel yourself laughing so hard, total levity as you re experience this moment again. It is not what actually happened- but from now on, when you recall this memory, you will also remember this dream as well, this moment that defies reality. That is the nature of memory- fleeting and incomplete. You miss your sister, but everybody knew from that moment on that she wasn't going to make it. It's sad, but it's true. Children that uncoordinated and scatter-brained just aren't going to make it out.

You are awakened by the sounds of soft chimes- a noise that you have associated with your ships computer. Even in your dream, you can recognize it, and know its time to wake up. You awake only partially, the light cloud of laughter still present in your mind, like you do not wish to dispel this emotion and hold on to it for a bit longer, even as you're forced back awake by your ship's AI.

“You were in a light period of your REM cycle. You set an alarm to be woken up before our next hyperspace landing. Please say the code phrase to confirm you are awake.”
”...Penny pinching got me nowhere.”
“Confirmed. Are you ready for an hour of wakefulness for your next nap?”
”Yeah. I figured the jump would only take a few minutes though.”
“I apologize, my navigation software has glitched several times throughout this shipment, leading to an inefficient course through a wayward star system. Next time we dock at a accredited space station, I would like to request an opportunity to update to the latest drivers, and perhaps install a new hyperspace electronic shield for my most critical components- would you like to authorize the purchase?”
”I NEVER should have bought a Consortium AI core. Cede controls, I'll take it from here.”
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Coming out of hyperspace, you feel the ship come to a screeching halt in relative terms- needing a second to cool off after your hyperdrive. The ship's map marks this system as inhabited, so this might also be a good time to stock up on some tritium for your ship's fusion engine- until you are suddenly hailed. The harsh electronic pings upset the careful and quiet solitude of your cockpit and bedchamber- if you weren't awake from coasting the ship down from FTL speeds, you certainly are now.

”HALT! This system is under Hegemonic control! Identify yourself! Weapons ready!”
”Oh shit!”

Completely unannounced, you have dropped smack dab in the middle of a Hegemony system, controlled by none other then the primates themselves- the Jaxtians. The backwards authoritarians otherwise keep to themselves, but you know there are ongoing tensions between them and the Consortium at large- and you also know they aren't too friendly to unannounced visitors. Worse yet- you see two of their cruisers stations nearby- the powerful ships greatly outclassing your own Frigate-class ship. Your ship is an individual vessel made for transporting goods- not fighting in a war. Besides a few lasers to shoo away the automatic drone or two, and a basic anti-solarflare shield setup, you really don't have any chance to fight your way out of this one.

”Wait- I'm unarmed! I surrender!”
”Lower your shields and prepare to be boarded!”

Oh no, what are you going to do? Clearly you aren't here to cause trouble- no weapons or spy equipment aboard your ship- but they may not see it that way. As a deep-space trucker and transport ship, your cargo is mostly benign, but the Jaxtians could see anything you're carrying as a form of contraband or smuggling. You know how hard it is to get some things into the HVS firsthand. Considering they are in the middle of a war right now- there's no telling what they'll think of you, especially given your Consortium AI and ship tags. What are you going to do?

>Dump cargo and flee
>Surrender your ship
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>>5752905
>Dump cargo and flee
Penny pinching will get us nowhere.
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
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>>5752909
Trying to dump the cargo and fleeing will probably just result in him getting nuked by the jaxtian ships.
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship

We've actually announced our surrender, so best not go back on that - it'd piss off the heavily armed warships even more.
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>>5752905
>Dump cargo and flee

>>5752925
>nuked
NUCLEAR WEAPONS? WHERE?! GET THE MASK! REEEEE
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
Possible doom Vs. certain doom

>>5752925
>nuked
NUKES?! Quick, someone get the stealth antimatter bomber out!
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
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>>5752909
tsmt. Dump cargo and flee
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>>5752905
>Ram one cruiser head-on as the soldiers attempt to board, then ram backwards into the second cruiser
A full monkey mode blaze of glory.
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
Specify that you're an unarmed trader, that's drifted off course. Do they perhaps have directions?
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
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>>5752905
>Dump cargo and flee
Better to die on our feet than tortured to death on our knees
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>>5753115
I wouldn't call "blown up while trying to escape" dying on your feet...Or even worse, if they just disable the ship and capture him (they easily could) AFTER he tries to escape, THEN he'll be tortured to death.

The way i see it, surrendering is the only scenario where there is a small chance of NOT dying horribly.
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>>5753230
Actually, by standards of death, getting blown up quickly would be rather preferable to a long, extensive torture session.

Sure, we may not die horribly immediately, we’ll simply get tortured before we beg for death to come.
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>>5753303
Isn't our Electronic Warfare tech more advanced than that of the Consortium? We wouldn't be blowned up, we would have our ship hijacked and us captured.
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>>5753366
If that was the case they would’ve disabled our ship and boarded us immediately- it’s not like the care about what other species think of them
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>>5752905
>>Dump cargo and flee
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>>5752905
I think i haven't actually voted, right? I posted before but i didn't add
>Surrender your ship

I can't seem to find a post anywhere else, either way.
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>>5752905
>>Surrender your ship
Can't wait to see what atrocities are in store for this thread
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Update isn't ready quite yet.

Instead of being coy about it and springing it when it's least expected- I'll just say this now. Important or contentious future votes will have a no 1-post by this ID policy, and no backlinking to 1-post IDs either. I don't want to force this on every single vote, just on the big important ones, but if you want to be safe just make sure to vote for a warm-up prompt or have some in-thread discussion to make sure your ID is good to go.
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>>5753746
Well that doesn't exactly work when you have 1 post per day and dynamic IPs or data plan IDs usually switch by every day
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>>5753746
Thank you.

>>5753747
It's unfortunate, but I'd rather make sure we don't have a StV samefag situation.
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
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>>5753755
I mean, does that honestly matter? Most of the sperging in this quest doesn’t come from samefagging
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>>5753807
Yes and there's no need to add samefaggotry to the mix.
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>>5753825
I’d argue that it’s irrelevant, but that’s more going down a rabbit hole I don’t even want to broach, so I’ll concede my point
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>>5753746
YES! FINALLY!
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>>5752905
>Surrender your ship
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>>5753746
I have a dynamic IP but totally understand after some of the previous... questionable moments in certain threads. No worries.
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>>5752905
>>Dump cargo and flee
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There could be a chance to still get away. Maybe if you dropped your cargo, reduced your ship's effective mass, you could engage the warp and try to flee- faster then these bigger, clunkier ships. Your cargo hold doesn't contain anything truly valuable. It might set you back a bit- but you could recover financially. Better then risking your life- but you're not doing great on fuel, plus your ship is technologically inferior to their own- and they probably have countermeasures at this point. No no, this won't work. You have decided to surrender your ship. You turn off your defenses and sit still, letting them come for you.

The Jaxtian cruisers are equipped with strong gravity-beams; holding your ship in place to make escape impossible. They get up close and board you, confirming their atmospherics are compatible with your own. Then, they come inside, and take you away. You have been captured.

You've heard some stories about these guys- an alien race ruled by a ruthless autocrat. They've done some ethnic cleansing here and there- not exactly unheard of among the heartless Aristocrats; but not done among the Consortium, and it considered beneath the great warrior spirit of the Esaal. You don't much like the look of these monkeys in their straight uniforms, too-symmetrical faces, overly long and sleek muscled limbs that swing in smooth, svelte movements. These are warriors, and yet they walk like dancers. All of them. It's beautiful and strong, yes, but it creeps you out, just as an operating table just cleaned from its grisly organ-harvesting. The aesthetic product of inbreeding and pursuit of merciless perfection. You just hope they have enough mercy to spare for you.

You wish to return to your dreams soon.
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Your name is now Jemm Ontam, and you are a Mainlander. As a Jaxtian, and citizen of the Hegemony, you have had certain opportunities, and also restrictions, based on your test schools in your youth and as a young adult. While any Jaxtian can take a renewed aptitude test or move up the ranks in a career of their choice, you're still at that age where you're being pressured to find something you're really good at and can grind away at for the rest of your life- becoming a real asset to society- and be rewarded handsomely as a result. This reality is also the reason you decided to put in a migration request to a brand new habitable world; the Great City!

An underwater, wholly artificial environment built atop the destroyed old planet of Swallia. While you were worried the propaganda and AI tours would make it seem better then it actually was, it is actually even more livable and nice then you thought it might be. Despite being a massive city, it feels very comfortable. Everything looks like wood, making you feel right at home, and everywhere you look there are new people moving here. It's nice.

Of course, you didn't come here just for the scenery. Because of the city being newly built and still in the process of being populated- even now only a fraction of the planet's space is being used and it will likely take hundreds, if not thousands of years for it to reach full developmental capacity- there are a lot of incentives to move here. Instant increase to housing class, more breeding permits for those on the lower spectrum of gene scores- not that that is a problem for yourself- but also more space and freedom of different services- things that you can do for the people as your primary line of work. Even better, the Hegemony is experimenting here! And you have just the idea...
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”...Well, all your scores are good. It appears the network and socials peg you as a good fit for social-services and amenity-operative. We're looking for a lot of those around here, especially as the population density increases. I see you studied several management courses, and did some minor work as a veterinarian's assistant?”
”Yes! I love animals- especially Nut Thieves. The service I want to start is actually related just to them!”
”Wait... Unfortunately, I cannot qualify you to open an animal hospital or breeding center here. Your level of education isn't sufficient for-”
”Oh no, I'm sorry, that wasn't what I meant. I want to run a little place, like a shop, but with 'thieves as a centerpiece.”
”Oh. I, uhh, I see. Can you tell me more about that?”
”Yeah! So, people love the critters, but some people are too busy or move around too much to really own one as a pet, you know? So I always thought of a place where people could just interact with one for a bit while they...”
”...While they what?”

Oh. This is awkward. You look away nervously, and suddenly the words catch in your throat. You dumb girl. You never actually decided what kind of business you wanted to run! You always knew you wanted to do something like this- having a place for people to interact with your favorite little pets and friends, but you never went far enough to figure out what the actual purpose of the place should be! Like you can easily imagine someone coming inside, petting a cute critter, enjoying socializing there, and then leaving but...what did they actually go there for? Why did they go inside? Your imagination is turning a blank!

The Hegemony doesn't require businesses or services to turn a profit- in fact, it runs many that operate on a pure loss because of their environmental or cultural benefits. They'd be even more lenient here, on a newly developing urban center. However, even you don't think you could sell this nice man the concept of a place where people just hang out with rodents all day. Even though that place sounds heavenly to you...

No no, you need to actually provide something valuable too. You're imagining the perfect little shop- but what should it actually be?

>Cafe
>Study Hall
>Meeting Place
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>>5754240
>Cafe
Cate cafes will be central to the coming cultural revolution.
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>>5754240
>>Study Hall
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>>5754240
>Cafe
Like one of those fancy tradional ottoman coffeehouses, but for jaxtians. The other options don't make sense. A study hall would be a bad place to have nut thieves since you wanna..y'know, study. And a meeting place just seems like it would be a bad business for a young girl.
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>>5754240
>Art Cafe

While the central theme will be Nut Thief's and the cafe it will also act as an miniature art gallery for lesser known hegemony approved artists to display their works.
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>>5754255
That seems a little too grandiose for a young girl, again. A coffee shop with nut thieves seems small, classy and doable.
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>>5754261
Coffee shops with small art galleries in them is a pretty common occurrence in larger cities in the real world.
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>>5754240
>Cafe
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>>5754262
Maybe, but that seems like a little bit too much for a young girl to run on the hegemony.
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>>5754240
>Cafe
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>>5754240
>Cafe
Can also support the
>Art Cafe
thing.
I am the great dual-IP man who posted this :>>5754087
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>>5754240
>>Study Hall
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>>5754265
On what basis? You just let a local artist put up art, and set their prices, and this serves as decor for your cafe. it's not hard on the business owner.
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>>5754347
Yeah, but the Hegemony is a lot more culturally and legally strict on what constitutes art.
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>>5754348
I thought we were opening up and flourishing artistically a bit, on this colony in particular which is the pet project of Wrix's artsy, liberal son? And surely there is ample room for life studies of a beloved animal in the Hegemony?
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>>5754352
Yeah but that's still a lot of stuff for a young girl to worry about innit? She didn't even have an idea of what she'd do for the business until now, adding 'art' on top of it will just make it *more* dificult
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>>5754357
She can always scale back ambitions later, but why encourage her not to try? it's not like she needs to be profitable.
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>>5754240
>Cafe
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>>5754375
Yeah anon, overpromisse to the government agency of the authoritarian state, that's a good idea.
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>>5754240
>>5754255
>Art Cafe
Supporting this classy write-in.
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>>5754240
>Study Hall
It honestly doesn’t matter

>>5754352
>thinking the Hegemony would ever really ‘open up’ artistically
Wrix’s son got away with shit because he was the Supreme’s son- this is going to be a hub for subversives, and it’s going to get her tortured to death. Just let her make her damn Banana Latte in peace.
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>>5754240
Formally updating my cafe vote at >>5754242 to
>Art Cafe
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>>5754240
>Art Cafe
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>>5754240
>Art Cafe
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>Art café

But the art is all about nut-thieves, and the coffee is made by nut-thieves, and there is a greeter at the entrance dressed like a nut-thief and who says "nut-nut."
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>>5754240
>Cafe
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I have some obligations, so update will have to wait a bit more again.

In the meantime; tell me what your favorite alien race in the Monke-verse is and why.
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>>5755160
Hard to say. All are really inspired and interesting : the vertical eyed and the turbocapitalorapist are really solid concepts. But by design, not as likeable.
Green cowdudes where chill. Jaxtian are supreme. Sotten are extra cuties.
>For complete Sotten integration in our Seeker as a cure to the Scythe
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>>5755160
I liked the vetuckers. They were a friendly race that was genuinely loyal to us not just because we forced them but because they genuinely came to believe in our philosophy. It was nice to have at least ONE race that was totally on our corner. Not that we'll be able to do it again.
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>>5755160
I really liked the Vettuckers, they were friendly to us and we had the potential to uplift their civilization, perhaps even as a valuable ally/vassal. Now that they're gone... maybe the Esaal? They seem the least "super evil" out of the others to me, and their culture is interesting.
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>>5755180
>>5755186
I still hate how the one race we liked got exterminated while the one race we wanted to exterminate got to keep a whole vassal state...the Vetuckers could have been our Vorta.
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>>5755180
>>5755186
>>5755206
Shouldn't have put on the mask LOL
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>>5755160
I liked the Vetucker

I was legitimately sad when we committed ruthless cultural and religious genocide on them; and then even sadder when we did actual genocide on them…..

Turns out, we were the brutal space tyrants all along.
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>>5755219
>lol you put the mask so we gotta genocide the species totally loyal to us
>but the guys who have been annoying for centuries and are the sole reason we want to put the mask? They get to live and keep their vassal state because uhhh they just do
Yeah, makes sense retard.
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At least we tortured Sunshine to death
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>>5755310
I would have preferred total hazaar death, but they get bailed out every time we vote to kill them so i'm fine with just torturing them
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>>5755160
Probably the Vetuckers or the Jaxtians.
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>>5755225
Its supposed to be a take on the Jews
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>>5755336
I thought the jews were the greenspots
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>>5755310
I'm still salty about that vote preventing son-father empathy. Poor Sunshine.
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>>5755336
>>5755339
The Jews are used as a catch-all boogieman in real life, blamed for wvery failing or 'degeneracy', and so in this quest virtually EVERY hostile or unoleasant group has been compared to the Jews by the players, including the worms (parasitic international duplomatic class) the Hazaar (drawn with a big hooked nose and little cap as part of their biology, gross sexual tastes, obsessed with money and/or hedonism and lacking empathy), to the Greenfaces in the prequel (clannish and nepotistic, good at business and banking). This is probably at least a little by design, since the quest is partly political wish fulfilment for the QM.
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>>5755423
>political wish fulfilment for the QM.
You wouldn't think that'd b the case with how many times the hazaar got bailed out of genocide...
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>>5755429
now replace the word hazaar with jews and it still works kek
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>>5755429
It's what he said on a thread in a thread on /tg/ and probably also explains why he was so surprised people didn't like Akule or want to emulate him, to the point that after we said we wanted Wrix to be like Agori and Kinja he just had him do what he would have done if we had picked Akule.
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>>5755160
Swalli and Baal- the Swalli because of their potential (both narrative and in-universe), the Baal because the Capsule Wars Arc was Golden Tier story.

I like the Ventuckers, but they never got any room to really develop or grow before being cut down in their prime. At least the Mitigators are still alive.

Full 180 on the Jaxians I’m afraid.

>>5755310
He was legitimately the best of his race- up there with Bluey totally shipped them btw, it was Starfire that deserved to be tortured to death.

>>5755336
Weird flex, but ok

>>5755443
That’s mainly a failure of quality character writing- I mean, he just sat around most of the time doomposting and doing fuck all else, and that was after joining the fucking Taliban man. If compelling can’t be done, at least do exciting ffs.

Is it weird of me to feel that he was character assassinated by his own prequel?
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>>5755443
>STILL taking this quote out of context
>le hazaar are le jews
>quest about fascism xd
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>>5754240
>Cafe

Don’t think going the ‘art’ route would work with our society’s strict cultural controls
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>>5754240
>>Cafe

>>5755783
They had samefagging because they were active, popular quests; they weren't active and popular because they had samefagging. If each of those quests were exactly the same except samefaggotry was impossible, the player experience would be improved for everybody except the samefags.

Are you a samefag?
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>>5755160
Vetuckers were cool, but I think the worms win by being the weirdest, creepiest and most truly alien. Well, except the Baal, but they got less characterization.

>>5755580
Starfire only ended up worthy of death because of what we or at least the samefags voted for him to do to Sunshine.

>>5755783
Fuck off, loser. If you can't win a vote without cheating, just suck it up.
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>>5755886
Ehhh, the worms just feel like a normal "creepy inhuman manipulative aliens" type of deal. They're interesting, but nothing truly unique.

I'm far more a fan of the idea of a group of two races who are strongly xenophobic against basically everyone but are totally buddy buddy. "Fanatic authoritarian caste empire with multiple species" aren't new (though always interesting, like the Covenant or Dominion), but I don't know of any time where it's basically just two species who are total bros.

I will forever seethe we didn't get to tell everyone else to fuck off and split the galaxy between the jaxtians and vetuckers. A true broship between species.
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>>5755600
>make a quest about a thousand year reich by a gnostic-curious fascist dictator who rants about globalism and liberalism and genocides minorities that are very obviously based on real stereotypes
>call it political wish-fulfillment
>get mad when people notice that it's just Gnostic Nazism
K. Tell us more about how Redmanes are a bunch of big scary rapists with an inherent criminal proclivity who are still 'bitching' about reparations for transoceanic slavery and deserve to all be drowned to death in big cages. It's all very subtle.
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>>5755910
I dunno', I just think the idea of teleporting xenomorphs who also operate as supreme space-diplomats and gestate inside giant cosmic whales while fearing starlight very cool and weird. I haven't seen that before!

As for Vetuck, maybe we can still clone them back to life? Their culture's gone, but we were going to destroy that anyway. They can still be our bros.

>>5756006
Well, when you put it like that.. Glad we've moved on from the Wrix years and to something better.

>>5755611
Remember: we won the perk where nobody can rebel against us anymore, anyway! We have total social control! Time to fill society with cute cat I mean nut-thief pictures!
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>>5756011
>They can still be our bros.
How? Even if we found enough genetic material to clone into a new species, their home planet is a jaxtian colony, and they'll never trust us again anymore because we wiped them out despite them being more loyal to us than the jaxtians themselves. It would be a hollow partnership where they spend everyday wondering if the Supreme leader will decide to erase them again.
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>>5756020
That's the beauty of it: we completely exterminated them. if we bring them back, they'll have no understanding of Vetucker culture or history but that which we impart, no frame of reference for what was lost. They will be homunculi created by the Hegemony and taught everything that we liked about their culture, none of the incompatible stuff, and essentially be just another group of especially-weird Hegemonic citizens!

As for finding the material, didn't Bananas say we harvested a whole bunch when we wiped their species out for our own genestealing program?
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>>5756028
Would it even work? We have pretty heavy control over information, but not that high. I seriously doubt we'd even get the option to make the soulless vetucker clones.
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>>5756011
Actually, we voted to preserve their culture, even though genetic standardization was the ‘correct’ decision

>Glad we've moved on from the Wrix years and to something better.
>pic related

>>5756028
But why would the Jaxians bring them back? They glorified the Genocides.

At some point you gotta accept that we passed the point of no return and move on dude.
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Nice to see the playerbase of this quest is exactly the same even after a 5 month hiatus lol
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>>5756157
Goes to show that the physiological scars run deep
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>>5756161
You mean psychological... R-right?

>>5756152
>>5756036
Well, you never know. The Supreme Leader can do almost anything he wants to, and many Supreme Leaders before and recent candidates have been anti-genocide. But... Yeah. I guess the fun times of sending our basedest leaders to retire on adventure planets with cow-barbarians is long past. :( Trying not to get bummed out, though, and to give this thread a fair shake.
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”-Oh, while they eat and drink. It's a cafe. I forgot to mention that. I do have food management training- if I need anything more I'll take the class-”
”That's alright. You're more then qualified for that kind of thing. Looks like our AI has picked a perfect spot for a venue like this- and your gimmick seems interesting enough to try. Your account has been given all the funds you need to decorate it to your liking, and we'll make sure to send you some workers with the right temperament for this kind of work and have similar skillsets to you. Please make sure to send reports on their performance WEEKLY- it's really important for the AI system to judge how they should be rewarded and potential avenues for advancement-”

You look down at the electronic display in his desk to see where he is motioning, showing you that you've been approved, along with your new licenses and approval letters, but you suddenly notice some of the totals and have to speak up.

”Hold on... I'm sorry, Sir, but there must be a mistake. This is WAY too much, even for a brand new business operation. And the location you gave me is... a corner lot on one of the busiest thoroughfares on this level?! This is something a high grade chef would be given as a reward for many years of service. I can't take this- there must be someone more deserving...”
”Hmm, nope, the computer okays it. Looks like your idea is novel enough to give you some bonus points. We're looking for young people to prove themselves and improve the city anyway, don't worry about it. Spend as much as you want on decorations and improvements.”
”No no, I couldn't... Can't I give some back? This is more resources then I'm qualified for, surely.”
”Please, Miss Ontam, quit fussing. Take this as an opportunity to prove yourself. While we're all for people trying to reduce waste and turn a profit, your primary goal should be the improvement of the city and the lives of the people here. Run a good shop, and the rest will fall into line. Is that understood?”
”Oh alright- yes! Yes, and thank you!”
”Don't thank me- I'm just doing my job. Thank the Supreme Ruler for giving you this opportunity! Who knows, in a few years, your shop might become a local landmark and be the pride of the city- I'll come visit once you're all set up too. I'm quite partial to the creatures myself- did you know that during the degenerate eras, some Jaxtians were actually allergic to nut thieves?”
”Hah, that sounds awful! Good thing we don't live in those dark times...”

With your interview over and your idea approved- something you've thought about and wanted to do for your whole life is finally becoming a possibility, no, a reality. It's so surreal seeing it in front of your very own eyes. Your dream job, and it's really happening!
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Your name is now Vrrskr whose Mother is Anaei and you are a Leraay. And currently, you are learning that online dating is a real pain in the ass. Just gotta get some of your scent gland secretions into this and send it off...

You live in a luxury apartment aboard the TransCon X5 space station- though most of this system is owned by the Galax mining corporation at this point in time; you still own the rights to use a portion of this space station and its kinetic receiver bay for your own business- interplanetary freight. It's a small operation, but has made you a decent amount of wealth, enough to live pretty comfortably and enough to actually try your hand at contacting a female Leraay at some point in your lonely life. Obviously, taking trips down to planetside to visit the reserves isn't exactly cheap.

You quite like it up here otherwise. It's comfortable. Your apartment has all the modern amenities you could want. Lots of good hiding places and secret compartments to make you feel secure- all bundled in with the base price. You pay a few hundreths' every day for idealized climate controls and humidity fluctuations based on whatever time of year you want it to be- all fed through a special AI just for the purpose. You also usually have a movie playing on your projector even when you're doing busywork around the cabin- the subscription fee is pretty cheap too, they've always got something new in rotation when you actually pay attention to the shows. You've even got a Gold-Pass so you can visit pretty much all the spots, lounges, and reserved-restaurants on the station- and nobody can seize your spot unless if they're a Platinum member. You had to put a big down payment on that one, since they're limited availability, but you managed to land it and it's been paying back dividends. Your next door neighbor is a Mime, and they're obviously quiet. The other neighbor is a Vellusian, which is a totally different story- you just don't want any of that acidic spit shit getting on any of your property. What a hassle that would be...
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You came into your workplace today. You see Ksccktt working the retrieval arms.

”How goes it?”
“Oh! Hey boss. Pretty good. I'm wired up right now- got my stims and a new stabilizer patch. Putting in the extra hours for you.”
”Thanks- though, that is why I pay you the best. Looks like we're still getting a lot of orders- my sales AI must be doing work! Anyway, any status on the iffy canisters?”
“Number eighty one still has a bad gyroscope, and you've got five more that have slow takeoffs with the old gravity coils- that makes tweleve with the old batch. There's a pretty good chance of a collision in low orbit. Should we recall them and bring them to the shop?”
”Ehh. Run them for another week- if they collide with another satellite, we'll just deduct it from the future-lawsuit account. Make sure the computer deducts micro portions off the delivery profit margins so when I go canister shopping here pretty soon.”
“And how goes lady shopping?”
”Oh, heh, guess I blabbed about that huh; or was I acting all passive and quiet recently? Kinda embarrassed now.”
“Naw boss, it's normal. Especially for guys our age- get what you can, right?”
”Yeah... true.”
“Let me know what she's like. I might be interested myself.”
”Not a bad idea. If I'd want any of these shitheads on this station as my a fellow brother-husband, I'd want it to be you.”
“Aww, thanks boss!”
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Not even a week later, you receive a follow up to your scent. Your people evolved, evolutionary, along sexually-dimorphic social strategies. While you can always just talk to another male Leraay and probably come to some kind agreement, you can't exactly just up and walk into a female Leraay's territory. Scents have always been the way your species found courtship- and the modern age simply requires a bit of improvisation. It's a vial of her own. You're excited to receive such an immediate response; that's a good sign, right?

You open it up and stick your nose in a bit greedily and give it a whiff.

”HOLY- Oh! Mhmm... Ohh Mianmi~”

It's incredible. Her scent is overpowering, with that delicious feminine aftertaste, earthy and healthy, you can tell she is in some kind of rut. It's fantastic. You feel excited and tingly all over. You're practically in love already. If she felt the same way about your own scent- then you must really be compatible. Normally, you're a bit of a spendthrift and try to save up money as much as possible- but now? You wanna book a trip to her reserve today, even though you know it won't be cheap and you'll probably get charged extra for the suddenness of it. You don't even care.

But you can't rush into this, right? You want to make a good first impression. Plus, you don't want to appear desperate- though females typically like men who are ready to go as soon as they are. Their sex drives are much higher then male Leraay, after all. This is your first time seeing a woman like this- you haven't earned your scars yet- so you're a little unsure of what you should do.

>Bring a gift
>Look your best
>Just show up quick as you can
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>>5756220
>Just show up quick as you can
My wife said pick this one
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>>5756220
>Look your best
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>>5756220
>Bring a gift
Visuals are irrelevant if the scent's right, but this talks of 'scars' has me worried that a displeased female could go praying mantis on us.
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>>5756220
>Bring a gift
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>>5756220
>>Just show up quick as you can
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>>5756220
>Bring a gift
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Damn, is the history of this quest that bad? It seems like there were a lot of sore spots during its run.
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>>5756220
>Bring a gift

>>5756304
There was much seething but the lowest point has been passed.
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>>5756220
I would guess that the Leeray are kind of mole rat things and the females are much bigger and stay in the reserves?
>Bring a Gift
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>>5756355
no they're cats
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>>5756220
>>Look your best
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>>5756359
>no they're cats
I thought about it again and you may be right, are the female ones asocial or potentially not even sapient?
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>>5756220
>Look your best
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>>5756220
>Just show up quick as you can
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>>5756220
>Just show up quick as you can

>>5756304
Highs and lows man- my advice, if you’re rereading the threads, is to stop after Eoba II’s death, and skip the rest up to here- Cijan was ultimately underbaked, and everything became a train wreck after that.

>>5756321
There’s always room for the bottom to fall out
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>>5756304
This whole quest is awesome, read the entire thing is a hell of a ride. People have big issues dealing with the fallout of our collective actions. The wholesome cow people died and yeah I liked em too but sometimes things don't work out.
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>Bring a gift.

And call your mama to tell her you've got a date and to wish you luck.
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>>5756567
>Collective actions
lol, creative name for questionable creative decisions dude

>>5756584
Got a legit chuckle outta that, have a kek
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>>5756220
>>Bring a gift

>>5756304
If you're going through the archives I recommend skipping over all comments. It's painful to read.
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Despite your excitement, you decide you best show some effort by bringing her a nice gift. Female Leraay aren't exactly very picky if you got something they want, but giving her a little something is a nice way of becoming her favorite...

You book a flight down to the planet, and in just a few hours you arrive. You find it strange how closely your quarters aboard the space-station match this planet's atmosphere- humidity, pressure, the smell of wildlife- all accurate. The only strangeness is the wind. It takes a moment to get used to. It's also pretty cold on the planets surface, so you take a coat. Your shuttle takes only a few minutes traveling on a sub-light glider- making sure to pay a little extra to make your landing nearly silent as to not irritate anyone near the landing site. You get dropped off on the edge of her reserve- the hundred or so square miles of her territory that she instinctively must keep clear of the scent of all other females or competitors. Even a whiff of another female will cause her to go ballistic- they can't live in cities, so putting them out on a reserve like this is the best option.

You walk along the forested path until you find her house- a sign nearby warning of bringing electronics or harsh mechanical scents too close. You do a double check just to make sure you aren't carrying anything that could upset her sensitive temper, and tramp on into the house. It's made of wood with imprecise cuts- and you pause for a moment to remember how doors work as you're much more used to automatic ones.

“H-Hello?” You say aloud, making sure to make your presence known. You figure she could have smelled you coming unless the wind was much worse then you thought. ”I brought you some dried skins and a chew toy...”

You creep into the dark house before suddenly feeling a presence just behind you- out of nowhere, a hand grabs your back.

“Got you! Me am best hunter! You no see me coming!”
”Haha- Yeah! You got me! You're much sneakier then me- Haha.” You laugh nervously, she's gripping you with her claws rather tightly. You can feel her sniffing the air behind you- your body instinctively shivering and sweating in her presence. There is a great sense of being hunted and in danger here- but at the same time- a great excitement.
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She's got her hands all over you. She's big- much bigger then you- and full of testosterone. Before you know it, she's rubbing you down your back, and then the small of your back, fumbling awkwardly with your clothing with her massive paws.

“Me liked your smell. Smell made me feel good.”
”Oh uhh, thank you. Maybe we could get to know each other a little more or- Eep!”

Without warning, she grabs your pants in a fit of rage, unable to figure out how to work the buttons, and just tears them straight off, revealing your backside to her. You squeal out involuntarily as her cold wet nose impacts with your rear-end. You feel the sucking of air as she huffs your scent glands directly- the female growling in approval. Guess its a good thing you didn't wear any expensive clothes for this.

“You make me itchy. Inside itch. You scratch itchy now!”

Pressing you down on the bed your body suffers an involuntary reaction, revealing yourself to her as you cower on the bedsheets- unable to hide your implement as it grows behind you- and she climbs on top. This is so hot. This is exactly what you wanted- you never expected her to be so forceful but Mianmi yes!

”I-It's my first time, Mam.”
“Shh. You call me mommy now.”
”Y-Yes, Mommy!”
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You are now Oneir Vat Numal again.

The Jaxtians took you to their base, impounded your ship, and have kept you in a cell. It's been three days. For the past two, they barely even spoke to you- just taking tufts of your fur and saliva by their doctors and scientists, while at the same time they no doubt have searched every square inch of your ship and drained every byte of data in your personal computer. Considering you're just a lowly space trucker- they probably got everything. Not like you can match the military and technological might of this isolationist space empire. You've been spending that time sleeping in your cell- though you've been unable to focus on your dream-life, given how stressful this whole situation is.

Finally, they proceeded with an interrogation. They chained you to a table in the middle of the largest, most open room of the base- probably a hangar or storage room or something they emptied out. You don't know how exactly, but you know they're doing this on purpose. All Sotten are a little agoraphobic, as a species naturally born to tunnel in the earth, so they probably put you hear to weaken you. On top of this- they've brought two interrogators. One is more direct and aggressive- the big blue one- the other is more calm and nice- a smaller blonde one. You quite like the blonde one, but you realize they're probably doing this on purpose too, make you confide in this one. Not that you have anything to hide but...

”...The one thing our computer can't seem to figure out is your morphology.” He says.
”It's because he's a sleeper agent- designed to sleep until he's called out to strike.”
”Oh hush, I'm sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this. Oneir, won't you tell us why you are like this?”
“I don't understand.”
”Your body is in a neotenous state. Your organs and brain all show they are supposed to be in a more developed, adult body- and yet you are in this pseudo-adolescent state. Your size, but especially your metabolism and energy level, are greatly slowed. It doesn't seem evolutionary feasible for you to be like this naturally- so this must be the result of genetic engineering. It would put my friend and the security departments of the Hegemony at rest if you could help us clear this up.”
“My entire race is like that- like this. This is the result of the change. We all go through it in our lives. It extends our lifespan and brings us to the dream-life. It is when we are considered adults.”
”What change?”

You sigh. It isn't that you are scared of sharing this with the Jaxtians- anyone with even a cursory knowledge of your race would know this. It is no secret. But how to explain it to them?

>Scientific explanation
>Historical discovery
>Philosophical implications
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Adding space cats to the 'species to genocide' list
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>>5757543
>Scientific explanation
This is the best way to explain it. At least as far as Oneir knows, Jaxtians are a bunch of weird geneticists.
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>>5757543
>Scientific explanation
Weird alien sex is always a nice tidbit of worldbuilding.
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>>5757543
>Scientific explanation
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>>5757543
>Scientific explanation
>Historical discovery
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>>5757543
>Historical discovery
>Philosophical implications
Fuck the science, I want context
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>>5757578
>>5757582
Let's stick with one vote per voter, please.
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>>5757543
>>Philosophical implications
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>Historical discovery.

Let us tell the advent of this process as it is known to us and worry about more detailed underpinnings later.
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>>5757541
The "to Xenocide List" grows yet again.

>>5757543
>Historical discovery
This sounds like the middle ground between giving them no reason to keep us alive because we told them everything they need to hear and giving them no reason to keep us alive because we speak gibberish.
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>>5757543
>Historical discovery

Perhaps this'll also reveal how a member of a Seeker species came to be using Consortium processes and tech...
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>>5757543
>Historical discovery
I'm a bit torn between this and the scientific explanation.
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>>5757543
>Scientific explanation
>Historical discovery
>Philosophical implications
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>>5757543
>>Historical discovery
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>>5757543
>>Scientific explanation
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>>5757541
What the fuck am I reading LOOOOOL!

>>5757543
>>Historical discovery
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>>5757930
>LOOOL
I doubt it. You're really overselling it, anon.
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>>5757543
>Scientific explanation
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>>5757543
>Historical discovery
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>>5757543
>Philosophical implications
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I'm trying something a bit different with this sidestory- a rotating cast of characters. How are you enjoying it so far?
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>>5758432
It's pretty interesting, yes. Can't say i care for the cat thing, but i do like Vat Numal's story.
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>>5758432
Seems good as usual
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>>5758432
No war crime, torture or genocide. 0/10
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>>5758432
Alright, though I don’t expect much from them
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>>5758432
Like the other anons are saying it's pretty interesting.
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>open thread
>scroll down
>open random image
>>5757541
can't make this shit up.
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>>5758432
I like Vat Numal, the Sotten seem an interesting species to explore... and I'm anticipating finding out something about what's happened to the Seekers since they stopped responding to calls.

Interested in where Jemm Ontam's plot is going to go, if anywhere.

Not sure about Vrrskr, but it's interesting to learn more about the Leraay and how their biology/society works.
Do Leraay have tails? Or are the organs we assumed to be tails in previous images (the 'infiltrators' one) actually their rear-facing penises?
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>>5758432
Loving the idea of seeing Jaxtian society and the greater galaxy from different angles. Really brings that sense of life and vastness into it!

>>5757546
>>5758647
She's not pegging him, she's... uh... I was going to try coming up with a name for it, but you all have suffered enough already.

I still hope he gives his mom a call to tell her she is going to be a grandma soon. Never seen a half-feral cavewoman have a family phone call before, I don't think.
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>>5758817
I don't really care what it's called, they're a species of mommyfags. All fetish species must die.
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>>5758817
Nice art drawfag
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>>5758817
Like some kinda... reverse jackhammer?
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The Change. Supposedly, a leftover genetic trait allowing Sotten to enter a hibernation state from an ancestral species back when our planet was colder, though even that doesn't quite explain everything. It's a bit of a mystery, even though it was discovered a thousand years ago.”
”That's quite a mystery. Tell me about it. How did it reach such mass adoption? Surely most of your race would abject to spending their whole lives asleep?”

You wish he would've dropped this by now.

“...It was during our development. Sotten naturally have very high birthrates. We are a prey species, originally evolved from rodents, and infant mortality in our natural habitat is extremely high. Both from predation, disease, and harshness of life. Litters of six to eight is most common, but twelve or more isn't unheard of.”
”I see. You must have had very harsh evolutionary pressures.”
“Our metabolism in nature requires us to eat almost our bodyweight in food every day, or else we'll begin to starve and die. This was the delicate balance that allowed our species to exist on our planet; until technology began to advance. It didn't happen all at once; but through a combination of societal development, medical technology, agriculture, and so on. Pretty soon, most of those children could make it to adulthood now; and our species grew exponentially out of control. All of our resources were gone- all the fossil fuels, all of the nutrient-rich soils, all of our natural prey species- eradicated. It caused endless wars and famines, and total hopelessness. That was until we discovered the change.”
”Ahh. Genetic engineering. Every advanced society develops it.”
“No, no. You don't understand. It was found that when a Sotten is forced to rest and conserve energy for multiple days at once- a profound and permanent change overcomes them. Their metabolism slows and energy expenditure goes to almost nothing; and they change from constant wakefulness to constant sleep. There is no way to reverse it.”
”So young Sotten were forced to go through this change.”
“Yes. But that wasn't enough. You can't just strap a pup down to a table and expect the change to happen- it has to be... chosen. Willing, in a way.”
”So how did you get every single Sotten to choose it?”
“It's either that, or die. That's the lesson of the warrens. All of our young are forced into a complex of tunnels and buried within. The old warrens were especially brutish; traps and collapsing soils and kur, our word for snake-devil, all meant to kill young Sotten. Only a handful, less then 30%, make it out alive.”
”That's a strong eugenic policy. But wouldn't that just select for the strongest and the fastest?”
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His words gave you pause. You feel a bit taken aback. How could he respond to this story... so casually? You're talking about child-killing, the shameful truth of your society- your species too feckless and fruitful to be able to expand at its natural rate. It's monstrous, not some great feat of social-engineering to gawk at!

“...There's no food or water in the warrens. Any Sotten who tries to run or dig or do anything to survive will be invariably starved and consumed. There's only one way to survive- find a dark, hidden place and stay still. Parents are supposed to not tell their children the secret; but even knowing it going in doesn't help their chances much. It's hard to overcome ones instinct.”
”So, what happens during this “change”?”
“Nothing much. The young one is forced to suppress all of their hunger and desire for action- their boredom and lack of interest in sleep- and overcome it and force themselves to become calm. And then they slip into a deep sleep- slowly over the next few days their core body temperature lowers and the metamorphosis takes place. When they awake next, they are begin dragged out by their parents- and they are welcomed as an adult of the community. It is also, by far, the most common time when Sotten have their first dream.”
”So? What's the significance of a dream?”
“What do you mean? That's when their real life begins.”

He seems confused. You think back upon what you know of the Jaxtians, no, the other races in the galaxy. They are materialists, believing only in concrete things. It would be a waste of breath.

”...You mentioned that your species had consumed basically all of their resources, yet you are a spacefairing race. I find that hard to believe.”
“No no, it's true. The Seekers discovered us. They found the self-imposed transformation very agreeable to their philosophy and believed we had potential; granting us technology and the ability to spread beyond our own homeworld. Though we were never able to transfer the dream-life to the other races among their members, as they wanted, our culture of self control and introspection fell right in line with their philosophy. We were a core member of the Seekers.”
”And what happened to them? Why aren't you a part of them now?”
“What do you mean? It's all in the ship's historical logs. The Seeker worlds and ships stopped responding one by one after a generic memetic quarantine went out- they only communicated with laser-light signals; no hyperspace or FTL. The Seekers have gone dark and only exist in the spaces between stars now. I'm part of the galactic underground now. No nation or homeworld but, hey, it's nice enough. My true life I carry with me.”
”Even cramped aboard a ship? Alone on long voyages?”
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“We spend so much time of our lives asleep- this life is not our “true” life. This is our physical life- merely a way to continue our true lives within our dreams. The older a Sotten gets, the deeper their dreams become, the more vivid and meaningful. Time is not constant within ones perception, so their time deepens as well. I am still young, so my dreams are not yet at that level, but I can only imagine the richness of the elder Sotten's inner lives.”
”...So much time spent on illusions and nothings, so little to show for it. I feel sorry for you.”
“No, it is I who feel sorry for you.”

The interview seemed to be at an end, until the blonde scientist reaches underneath the table and pulls out a small vial with a red fluid inside.

”...Well, perhaps we can wrap this up- and you can tell me what this is?”

You can't hide your shock and sudden fear. No! How did they find that?!

“I-I can explain!”
”Really? This wasn't on your ship's manifest, and it wasn't even hidden in your computer's files. I thought you said you ran a legit transport service and that you weren't a smuggler. Our AI only barely managed to find it- it detected some glass in a place with no electronics or where a viewport couldn't be, buried under a pile of blankets and past a secret compartment.... As though it was meant to pass thru any customs or be avoided by any pirate tolls. Seemed like someone went to great lengths to hide it.”
“I-It was for a client. Exporting some rare material to a research lab. It's called Celestial Blood, but I swear I don't know what it's for!”
”...You already lied to me once. I didn't want to keep any secrets from each other- I thought we were friends!”
“Please understand-!”
”Oh, I get it, you can't share this among friends? Then we'll have to make you...”
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You are now Jemma Ontam again. After several painstaking days of hard work, your cafe is almost ready to open. You've commissioned several specific pieces of furniture and ways to care for your little “employees”, gotten a staff and menu all set up, established the property, and even decorated with pieces from local artists in the city- you wipe the sweat from your brow for a job well done.

Still, even with the encouragement and education you received, you're still taken aback by just how hard it was to make this a reality. All of your ideas and concepts for this little venture- you had to make so many compromises on your vision. Health and wellness codes for both patrons and the pets means they can't just run around the store freely like you first imagined; though you guess that makes sense- someone could step on one! Plus getting approval for all the art pieces so they don't clash with the unified aesthetic of the city itself- your own store not being immune to this. Plus that and the fact that nobody cares about your ideas more then you do meant you always had to have initiative. You're a grown woman, so you should have known already, but just having to be your own advocate was just... phew. After all, the administrator gave you this spot, but you know others were gunning for it was well. You never felt so much pressure as seeing the social posts mentioning the cafe's location and saying how much they would have liked to get it. You wanted to cave right then and there- but no! You stayed strong. And now... it will be rewarded. At least you hope.

Are you just naive? Does any other Jaxtian think or even care about this idea? How do you know most will just ignore this quaint cafe? Most Jaxtians in the city are very busy and eat on the go. Maybe this whole idea was just a waste of time...

As you start to clean up the materials from setting up your store and cafe- you notice a man watching you through the window outside. He's tall and very fit, wearing a sleek jumpsuit. As soon as you notice him- he comes to the door and opens it, helping himself inside.

“Those look heavy, can I help?”
”Oh- no, it's ok, I have a few laborers I can request to come.”
“Are you sure? I want to help. Besides, it's free exercise.”
”Well, in that case, okay~”
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Even with one look, you quite fancied this man. He wanted to help you without even asking anything in return- so heroic! You feel all special that he's going out of his way just for you. And besides, every Jaxtian lady learns to love a military man.

“...A cafe with Nut Thieves huh? That's a cute idea. I could see that being valuable.”
”Aww- thanks! Well, what about you?”
“They're transferring me to the Stand. I'm going to become the lead fleet admiral.”
”...Oh. Wow. That's a big job.”

He's going to become the lead for the defense of the Stand? The current warfront with the Consortium? That's... huge. You never expected to meet someone so important to the Hegemony. And here you were, yapping about your own problems and struggles at opening up this silly little business!

“I mean, it is. But it's not as hard as coming up with something all new, like this. You've clearly put your heart into it. For me... well, let's not get into that.”
”Huh? What do you mean? Admiral is a huge position- I mean, you clearly have it much harder then me, and are providing more value to the Hegemony then my silly little dream ever could.”
“I'm just going with the motions. Being promoted because of my skills and performance. I mean sure, I'm in a bit more danger then you are perhaps but...”
”But nothing! Come on, be proud!”
“Are you saying my job is harder then yours? Really?”

You're taken aback by that. Nobody in the Hegemony would ever think some... civilian girl like you has it harder then some high level military, science, or government official. How could he even think that, right? Or does he have a point?

>His job is harder
>Your job is harder
>They're the same
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>>5758870
I'm not sure if I were allowed to choose custom options, but I'd say
>They're hard in different ways
I mean yeah, being an sole business owner is harder in the sense that you're alone and there's not really any *guide*, you sail or sink, but as an admiral you have the Sword of Damocles hanging over you. If you fail as a business owner, it's just a business, if you fail as an admiral its everything.

As a British vampire once said, a king has his strengths, but a baker has his as well. The same applies here. They're both hard jobs, just by different metrics.
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>>5758885
Support
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>>5758885
+1
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>>5758870
>>5758885
Supporting.
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>>5758885
Let's support those wise words
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>>5758885
Sounds a solid write-in, if allowed. +1.
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>>5758885
Support. They're not the same, obviously, A society with only soldiers or only artists and baristas is broken, though, or at least a deviation from Hegemonic normalcy. If everyone is a soldier, that's the red war-bros. if everyone is a merchant or entrepreneur, that's the HVS or Consortium. They're both necessary.
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>>5758870
>>Your job is harder
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>>5758870
>I haven't been doing this long so I don't know. Now your making me nerous, haha.
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>>5758817
stop putting those weird ass fetish breeding methods in the quest, they just ruin the aliens
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>>5758885
Supporting
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>>5759611
>nooo, aliens can't have reproductive cycles or courtships which differ from human norms!
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>>5759638
correct

all species who are personally icky to me need to perish
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>>5758885
>+1
If the write-in isn't allowed then
>>5758870
>Your job is harder

>>5759638
What the fuck is a human?
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>>5759638
That's right. Asexual reproduction or death.
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“...Well, I think they'd be about the same. Just in different ways. It's never easy, no matter what.”

He seems to enjoy that answer. You aren't sure why, but he seems to enjoy not being reminded or praised of his position. Especially considering how important and respected military careers are in the Hegemony.

“...It just gets tiring, you know. Everyone expects so much of me, and when I deliver, they praise me for it like I'm some kind of bloody hero. I'm just following the program. You know? The steps for success are all listed out. Where as you are doing something totally new. I don't want to be praised for doing something that was simple and easy.”
”Well, I'll make sure not to praise you.”
“Oh no, I didn't say that! When I do something worthy of it- you'd better be ready to praise me! Give the future me the respect he deserves!”

You giggle. After a few minutes, he's disposed of all the boxes. It would have taken you a good hour to move all that stuff- you thank him again. He extends his hand- a handshake? How formal. You find something about that funny. It's endearing.

“It's a shame I'll be gone before your cafe is operational. I'll have to come back when the war is over.”
”You'd better. What's your name?”
“I'm Hass. Hass Takar. And you?”
”I'm Jemma.”
“...No family name?”
”It's not important.”

You just thought 'Jemma Takar' was a little too forward. You'd really prefer it if Hass doesn't die.
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You are now Vrrskr whose Mother is Anaei again, and you are back on the station. You'd made frequent trips back and forth to the planet where your current lover lives- consuming every scrap of your free time. It isn't just sexual, though the sex is very good, you feel like it's a bit more.

This experience has also enlightened you somewhat. As a member of the Consortium, you've spent your entire life doing almost nothing but chasing credits- and only now is it really starting to weigh on you on how unnecessary it feels. Even your position on this space station, luxurious as it is, seems like a waste of time. You worked very hard to get your company off the ground- doing dangerous space walks as a youth and then installing your own robotic arms; investing a ton of money into the station to gain the partner status that lets you make executive decisions regarding its placement- and all of that just seems so... pointless now. You gain just as much happiness getting your crotch smashed, and yet nobody is praising that as the end-all-be-all of polite, civilized capitalist society.

You happen to be walking around the station one day and notice a fellow Leraay- an he's a father. Then you notice it- your own mating-clamps, sealed shut in the womb from your male sex- opened for this child. It's a female. She's just as cute and clever as any Leraay boy. He looks so proud.

I mean, he's gotta know what she's going to turn into, right? How can he go on like that? You've been with your own lover for a while now. You wonder when she's going to drop a kid for you. You just hope it's not a girl.

”Hey boss, you've got an important visitor.” Ksccktt says. Completed unexpected, you go to your office to see a Leraay in the most fancy outfit you've ever seen. Oh shit!
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It's the CEO of the Galax Mining corporation. One of the richest men in the Consortium- and that's saying something. Some say he could buy a whole planet with his wealth, a habitable planet. Paparazzi drones swarm about taking pictures- while his own security drones blur the images to avoid them being sold on the open media markets; if anyone is going to profit off his own sensationalist news, it's going to be him.

“Hello. I'll make this brief. The Consortium security & law enforcement forces are all hands on deck and are massing in a nearby star system. This station is well equipped to handle kinetic packages, especially for mass manufacturing. We'd like to have it towed via Hyperspace to the star system, and use your company and shipping canisters to help with the war effort. You'll be paid for the expense, of course- same rate as your current shipments, but a much higher trading volume.”
”...Wasn't the Consortium security just dealing with some squatting pirates on a mining colony? This seems like overkill.”

He gives you a glare, he almost seems offended for some reason.

“...As you know, the Galax mining corporation is one of the largest corporate patrons of the Consortium governments and council. We're right there with you- fighting for your rights and freedoms. It's your civic duty to participate.”
”Civic duty? What does your mining colony have to do with that?”
“Ugh. Listen, we're at a time crunch here- let's hurry this along and get our AIs to do the paperwork. You're a partner on this station so it can't be moved without your permission. Do you accept the deal or not? I'd highly recommend you do.”

It doesn't sound bad- a good way to make a tidy profit over the next few years. Working in wartime and ship manufacturing is always a good contract. But... you'll be a few systems over, and probably very busy. You'll have to hire new employees and stuff- and you'll be away from her. Is that really what you want? You figure that this new colony Galax is fighting for here will be worth trillions of credits- or maybe more. More money then you'd see in a hundred thousand lifetimes. Do you really care about his little war at all?

>Accept
>Deciline
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>>5759900
>>Accept
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>>5759900
>Deciline
We got a potential family coming up if I'm understanding this correctly. And something about this deal doesn't sit right with me.
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>>5759917
This guy's very powerful, he might just get rid of us if we decline.
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>>5759900
I don’t really have an opinion on this, so I’ll just wait to be convinced
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>>5759900
>Accept... on the condition that he buys you out completely at a generous raye. He gets more influence over the station, you retire, everyone wins.
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>>5759900
>Decline
This is clearly the same CEO guy from Thread #9 sending ships to attack the Hegemony while calling the Jaxtians a buch of "illegal squatters". Bananas does "puzzle" choices like this to test people paying attention. Accepting here means making the attack fleet stronger or come earlier. ANYONE picking Accept here is one of the sabotaging shitposters trying to make the Quest fail.
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>>5759959
I like this, and support it.

>>5759900
>Accept... on the condition that he buys you out completely at a generous rate. He gets more influence over the station, you retire, everyone wins.
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>>5759917
Well, I think it's the fact that he's clearly lying to us about the war effort, but more insulting to me is that he's trying to lowball the cost of it all- granted the higher trade volume is probably the move, but the fact that he has to come here himself reeks of his desperation for a deal- meaning we can probably charge a higher price.

Granted, I think it's a false choice- either we do as he recommends and risk a lot to get payed handsomely, or we get punished for defying him- I think family stuff is a red haring.

There's an intriguing potential narrative that may come with taking the deal I've just thought of, but I doubt Bananas will take it there if we do choose it, so I'll keep it in house until it's irrelevant.

>>5759962
Honestly anon, I don't give a shit- the Stand is an insignificant mining colony hyped up to make the current Supreme feel better about 'not being a real Jaxian Alpha' or some shit like that. At worst, Banana's just decides to kill Hass off as a love interest offscreen, and the Supreme gets humiliated by the Consortium taking the Stand- both insignificant in the grand scheme of the Hegemony.
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>>5759900
>Accept... on the condition that he buys you out completely at a generous rate. He gets more influence over the station, you retire, everyone wins.

We get a big payout, he gets direct ownership.

Win win
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>>5759900
>Deciline
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>>5759900
>Deciline
If a deal is too good to be true, it probably is.
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>>5759900
>Accept
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>>5759900
>Decline
No deal. We're happy as things are, and this deal is suspicious. Either they improve the deal, buy our business out entirely and give us enough wealth to purchase a world of our own so that we never have to work again, or no sale.
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>>5759959
>>5759900
>Accept... on the condition that he buys you out completely at a generous raye. He gets more influence over the station, you retire, everyone wins.
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>>5759959
+1, even if we could possibly win more money by keeping part of the station, this is better for Vrrskr.
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>>5759900
>Decline
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>>5759900
>Deciline
But if we have to accept I support getting bought out.
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Hmm, spend more time as family man and possibly find out that Leeray women act all beastly by nurture as much as nature and perhaps change it on the long run, so the Leeray stop being some mommy wierdos...

Or signing the deal and not getting fired or worse, plus making a ton of cash.

...

>Decline.

Let us hope this deal truly was a shady one.
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>>5760629
It’s probably gonna be more like
>Accept, get rich, potentially die, lose woman and family life
>Decline, lose job, lose woman and family life anyway
Not
>Decline, somehow change society as a middle manager with the richest CEO in the Consortium as our enemy
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>>5760636
Yeah, bananas loves these kinds of decisions where everything ends badly anyway no matter what you pick.
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>>5760629
Absolutely abhorrent post.
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>>5760667
Watch out Bananas, this guy can read your mind and may be living in your walls. *rolleyes*
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>>5759900
>Deciline
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>>5760725
No, I just read the whole quest and can deduct from experience.
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>>5760636
>>5760716
I mean, not immedeatedly, change would come after many more descis- yeah, I don't know what I was thinking, this isn't Star Trek.

>Accept

At least they'll raise their GDP or something.
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>>5759900
>>Accept
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The Galax Mining Corporation is one of the largest interstellar companies in the Consortium; directly purchasing and leasing planets, moons, and other celestial objects for the purposes of mining and refining raw materials. Due to the large number of space habitats, industrialized cities, and consumer goods and spaceflight- raw metals, silicates, and radioactive materials are always in high demand in the Consortium. The Galax mining corporation however is notable for their patented method of mining and refining Azurium ore, a rare and only recently discovered resource brought to the Consortium species by collaborations with the Esaal Miltiary-Empire. The value of Azurium is so great that the company rebranded its logo and name to be always printed in its color- a deep Azurium blue.

The discovery of Azurium has brought the entire Consortium into a sort of gold-rush; seeking any source of that blue treasure. For its uses in security, megastructure building, and top end consumer electronics- it has become a very valuable commodity. Rare Azurium is unusable by normal metallurgic methods; requiring advanced magnetic forges to be reshaped, and the Galax mining coporation also loans out the technology to other companies at extremely high rates. This has raised concerns in the Consortium's consumer and business fairness councils over the monopoly in all but name that the Galax corp. owns over the Azurium trade, but given how closely the government works with the corporation and its immeasurable profits- as well as hand-in-hand justification of constant expansion, means this is unlikely to change in the near future. After all- without Galax, this technology would be completely inaccessible for all but the largest corporate entities.

Due to the Consortium's constant dedication to uplifting and joining newly found alien races to its capital and social systems; any world found with Azurium reserves with an intelligent native species quickly becomes a target for criticism of colonialism and exploitation. The Consortium is adamant however in allowing these hostile takeovers- as in more then one occasion ancient repressive religions, cruel dictatorships, and intelligent species suffering in a pre-industrial state from natural woes have all been freed and added to the greatest, prosperous, and more equal society in the entire galaxy!

*This message brought to you by the Galax Mining Corporation.
>Real update later
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>>5761228
All in favour of giving Kima's child a fleet of stealthships to play pirate on the corpos after we rain antimatter on the Esaal?
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>>5761228
>Due to the Consortium's constant dedication to uplifting and joining newly found alien races to its capital and social systems; any world found with Azurium reserves with an intelligent native species quickly becomes a target for criticism of colonialism and exploitation. The Consortium is adamant however in allowing these hostile takeovers- as in more then one occasion ancient repressive religions, cruel dictatorships, and intelligent species suffering in a pre-industrial state from natural woes have all been freed and added to the greatest, prosperous, and more equal society in the entire galaxy!
Lol, Jaxian-adjacent primates when?

>>5761277
The 4chan Gods ate my original post, so I guess I support this brand of Fun
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>>5761228
>>5761328
Ate my gif as well

Captcha literally be like SAD lol
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>>5761277
Yes.
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>>5761328
I think there's some evidence that some consortium faction actually started or assisted the uplift of the Jaxtians. Didn't our first playable supreme meet some green dog guys who were later placed upon a quick overlay of consortium species?
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>>5761277
sound like a plan.
Man the ships with Hazard so they get genocided by consortium?
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>>5761717
Genocide?
HmmmmMmmmmmmm.
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Thread ID test.
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”Well, I wouldn't mind selling my share of the station to you...”
“I'm not interested in buying it- I just need to lease it for a while. We're starting with a conservative five year work contract, with up to three possible two year extensions- each will be paid a stay-on bonus for accepting them...”
”How about my idea? Buy me out, and I can retire nice and early. We both win.”
“Too expensive- you're just one portion of one station. We're talking mass transit and trade here. Besides, your crew is important too- you've got the right experience. I would be willing to buy you some equipment upgrades, and certainly a better AI for you to sweeten the deal- but that's my final offer.”
”Both things that would increase my productivity under you, huh? I've gotten quite used to being my own boss. How about a cool twenty million credits? I'm sure you'll find that-”
“ENOUGH! REJECTED! My offer is no longer available. As soon as anyone starts a deal with me, they think they're a damn tycoon. You ain't a big shot- you're a shit little- nevermind. END TRANSMISSION!”

With that, his physical form, which you are only now realizing what shipped on a (very expensive) transmission holodisk- clearly, he was too busy to actually come out to your little station in the flesh.

Well damn. You tried to pull one over on one of the richest men in the Consortium and set your heights too high. You asked for too much money; and clearly he didn't need you that badly. You start to feel a bit of regret and remorse- I mean, if you did a good job, there was a pretty good chance you could have moved to a position in the Galax corp- many of which pay much better then your position as a small business owner. Or if you did a REALLY good job, you might have been able to weasel your way into starting your own space shipping across the stars. That's all gone now.

Oh well. Your offer ended up getting rejected. At least you'll have your same life- and you'll be able to spend more time with mommy. You wonder if you'll end up being a Daddy yourself sometime soon...
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You are now the Head Administrator for Hegemonic Control and your name is not important. You are on Jaxt, and before you is a cave. This cave was carved into the blonde mountains- and does not appear on any maps. No jump-poles lead here, no travel destinations are within a great distance, and no campers are recommended to hike here. Only a very, very select group of people are allowed to know of this place's existence, much less come. You are one of these few.

Behind only the Supreme Ruler and his Overseers- Mann Yumm, the overseer of infrastructure, and Makatana Nanonae III, the overseer of science, you are the highest ranking individual in the entire Hegemony. You are the head of the Hegemony itself; it's bureaucracy and inner-workings- the network of agents and technologies that perform the Supreme Ruler's will; covert or obvious, malicious or benign. This is your job and sole responsibility. However, unlike the importance of your position- you will never be honored with a golden band, nor will anyone sing your praises in an epic blonde ballad. You could walk among the crowds of normal citizens and none would even know who you are.

While every dysfunctional member of a society is uniquely dysfunctional and useless in their own way; there are truly only two kinds of people who contribute to society. The first are those who have a vision for how the world can or should be- and then there are those who can make that vision real. There is no overlap between the two. For every Supreme Ruler decree- there are a hundred million computer cores reprogrammed with new priorities. For every business decision, there a hundred thousand workers that need retraining and new standardized equipment to best optimize the decision. You have dreams yourself, idle fantasies- everyone does. Dreams of beautiful women, or a fancy house, or exciting adventurers on a vacation or when exploring new worlds- but these are nothing more then idle fantasies. Random wants and wishes- to truly see a vision for how the world can be, requires a different kind of mind entirely then the one who can move the numbers and pick through the minutiae to make it a reality. That is your gift, and that is your goal.

You descend deep into the bowels of the mountain. Through the tunnel, you pass the final security checkpoint and behold a collection of screens. Each one passes through it a grainy image, ever morphing and shifting, similar to the early AI productions of the ancient past. But this is not generated by a computer.
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It was never the Hegemony's goal to read minds with technology. Brainwaves and mental-images are too scattered and fast moving to fully comprehend, even by the very best AI. They are also not useful for implementing social policy or control- ones mental image may be of something completely unrelated to their own belief; a violent fantasy of killing the Supreme Ruler would be shocking to see in the mind of a Jaxtian citizen, but it shouldn't be a crime. Every male will imagine himself besting another- if that just so happens to be the Supreme Ruler, will we rule that as treason, or simply high praise for putting the Supreme as the center of his violent, juvenile daydream? If the citizenry knew that their thoughts could be read like this, they would be unable to have any individual ability to submit and enhance the Hegemony's goals in any way. They would assume their government knew everything about them- they would change their behavior or become self destructive. Truthfully, it was never even intended to capture these brain images in the first place- simply monitoring the brainwaves of those in stasis pods, with their lowered level of activity that their thoughts and dreams can be seen like a single still in a roll of film. Should their very most deepest thoughts, unintentional and out of their control, really be watched? As such, this place must be a secret.

What value is there in a dream? Or in a fantasy? It is not the experience of it itself that is valuable, at least not to you. It is within what it means. At the crossroads of biological instinct and imperative, to social conditioning, to emotional states- something within that tangle lays a perfect world. Not a mere desire, but a want and a wish, the way they want the world to be, deep down, which is neither known to their own conscious mind nor capable of being described in words.

You turn off your own mind and stare at the monitors. You become the ultimate voyer. You meditate on the images you see. What do you see? What connects them? What do these people truly want deep down?

What is your dream?

This decision will permanently change the direction of Space Monke Quest. Please be as honest as possible. One post IDs will not be counted or considered for this vote.
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)
>Go back to a previous point in the timeline and continue from there (Pre-genocides, or specify)
>Radically change Space Monke Quest (specify)
>Wrap up Space Monke Quest in 1-3 Threads and put it to rest (without rushing!)
No write ins that do not follow this scheme will be accepted. Thank you for your feedback.
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>>5761920
>Go back to a previous point in the timeline and continue from there (Pre-genocides, First Contact with Swalli)
Well, this certainly gave me goosebumps. I’m fine with anything Pre-genocide, but I figure I want to throw a bone to the Swalli and their storyline- a voice for the unremembered and all that.

If we really want to be radical, we can change up the Akule storyline to be more satisfying or something.
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Tempted to go full "Vetucker bros, baby". Also we can keep the Starseers from suffering their fate.

Though at the same time I feel like it would be a shame to leave this as it is with the unfinished Hegemony-Consortium war or even the comfy (and honestly pretty sweet) story of Jemm Ontam.
Other than that I'm not sure what exactly the implications of changing things or of this scene in general. I could've sworn Bananas talked about something OOC in the last thread, I'll have to look into it when I get the chance.
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>>5761937
>I don't want to be a huge downer or clamp discussion people are interested in but I literally have NO idea where you guys are getting this headcanon stuff from.
>Did you miss the part where part of Wrix's manifesto for committing the genocides was to give more fertile farmland and habitable planetary space to Jaxtians instead of aliens? Or the OOC reveals about Thread #7 where going down the Cijan-Mask path would destroy the Jaxtian culture, where as the path you took didn't (but destroyed all diversity instead)?
>You only saw ONE guy living in the pod, and that was only to juxtapose the relative poverty of a loser Jaxtian living alone on a space station as opposed to how exciting even that living condition was to a second-class Hazaari citizen. Most Jaxtians do not live like that, most are physically active, knife fighting is still alive and well. I don't think this has been implied to be anything but the case anywhere, so I'm confused how people came to these extreme conclusions as though something has significantly changed between threads.
I think I found it, but it wasn't exactly what I was thinking it was.
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>>5761937
>empted to go full "Vetucker bros, baby"
YES, Please spare the vetuckers. I don't even care about the rest of the genocide stuff - kill the Swalli for all i care, they're cool but the giant city we made on their world is fine.

JUST REVIVE THE VETUCKERS. WE NEED THE COWBROS.
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>>5761920
>Radically change Space Monke Quest (Spare the Vetuckers during the Akule genocide)
This is literally all i want. Please. Jaxtians and Vetuckers against the universe. The rest isn't that bad. We can continue the storyline. Let's just spare the vetuckers.

Vetuckers & Jaxtians against the galaxy. THIS Is what i want.
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>>5761951
>Akule's genocide
I meant wrix's.

please? I just liked the vetuckers and how they genuinely embraced our culture. I'll be happy as long as they're spared.
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>>5761920
>Radically change Space Monke Quest
>Go back to a previous point in the timeline
What I'm saying is, we'll be playing a top secret timetraveling agent out to fix timelines. Let the players decide the turning point. This dream monitor thing? Part of a way to detect anomalies in the timeline. Thing is, which future are we from? Hell, maybe what past are we from? What future are we trying to prevent?
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>>5761920
I just want to say before the others vote Bananas.

Thank You. This made my day, even if anons decide to vote for something else.

>>5761937
I imagine that it wouldn’t be too different- we’d still have the Consortium War later with everyone else’s story.

My god, I’m so excited now- I got so many ideas on how to do Civil Strife arc, and improving Wrix.

>>5761942
Not to get too deep into Pod debate, but I imagine it’s a matter of perception- we weren’t given any juxtaposition to contextualize that is was just Podboy being in the minority of Jaxians, and contrasting it with Huzzar living conditions when both are arguably equal living conditions with exception of the VR headset, I Think the point Bananas was trying to make was muddled while anons came to different conclusions about the Hegemony.

Bananas does make a great point about fertile farmland and habitable space being a non-contentious issue though- that one thing we’d lose, but I think it’d be worth it.

>>5761948
Can we at least try to have a story with the Swalli? I’ve been waiting a year to dig into them narratively.
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>>5761920
>Radically change Space Monke Quest (Spare the Vetuckers during Wrix's genocide)
Fuck it let's do it.
Maybe we can also spare the Starseers from contacting the worms and dying but this is honestly the main thing I'd like to change.

>>5761948
You know what you're right. Those guys were based.

>>5761958
Hm those are good points.
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>>5761951
>>5761962
Can you guys vote for Pre-genocide instead bros? I think a Warring States arc would be pretty interesting, and I got a bunch of ideas on how it could go.
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>>5761920
>>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)
Retcons are for cucks, much as I hate the genocide of non Hazaars
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>>5761958
>>5761966
Anon, the issue with "Pre-genocide" is that we'll loose out on all the interesting stuff like the Swall Ecumenopolis and the Consortium wars. The swalli are cool, but i'd rather keep the stuff we have than to see them.

But the vetuckers, we can revive them without removing any storyline. We can keep everything else the same. We can still see cool stuff like Bluey's kid, the storyline with the coffeeshop girl, all that other stuff that people are seemingly interested in seeing from this thread.

>>5761967
There is literally no reason to *not* spare the vetuckers. Everything else would remain the same. There was NO valid reason for Wrix to kill them when he spared the HVS.
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>>5760726
This is me

>>5761920
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)
If I would change anything it would be to spare the Vetuckers. I sympathize with the idea that they were loyal and should have lived if we spared the Hazaar. I’m surprised no one suggested to retroactively wipe out the Hazaar so far. I don’t really care about the Swalli.

However, even though I want the Vetuck to live, I more so don’t want to undo all that has come after. I want to see how this all develops further.
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>>5761970
No. What is done is done. Regrets from past sins are an intrinsic part of every civilization, every empire.
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>>5761972
>What's is done is done
No it's not, we didn't choose that. That's retarded. You're actively choosing to make the story worse for the sole purpose of 'muh retcon bad'
>>5761971
>However, even though I want the Vetuck to live, I more so don’t want to undo all that has come after. I want to see how this all develops further.
Like i said before, literally nothing needs to change just from reviving the vetuckers. All the other stuff can happen. The vetuckers surviving in no way stops us from having the ecumenopolis if the swalli are still dead.
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>>5761966
Basically what this guy >>5761970 said.

>>5761971
>I’m surprised no one suggested to retroactively wipe out the Hazaar so far.
Actually this gives me an idea. Why not get rid of the Hazaar and let the Ventuckers live instead? It could potentially solve the issue of needing farmland and fertile worlds.

>>5761972
While I disagree, your mindset has my respect.
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>>5761975
>Why not get rid of the Hazaar and let the Ventuckers live instead? It could potentially solve the issue of needing farmland and fertile worlds.
We already killed the Hazaar. We'll already have plenty of free space from the worlds freed up from hazaar occupation and swall itself.

We literally just need to revive the vetuckers. That's literally it. We won't loose all the cool storylines, and we'll get the best bros our civilization could ask for. There is literally not a single downside to reviving the Vetuckers.
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>>5761970
>>5761975
You can still have the Swall Ecumenopolis and the Consortium wars (though it isn’t really a war, it’s a border skirmish), the only thing that’ll change is the Swalli being alive for them.
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>>5761977
I don't think you can' have a Swall Ecumenopolis with the Swall, the construction of the city probably required bulldozing their entire civilization. Plus they need the water to live.

I dont mind the swall, i wouldn't mind *keeping* the swall, but literally all i truly care about changing is the vetuckers. Everything else is secondary.
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>>5761978
>I don't think you can' have a Swall Ecumenopolis with the Swall, the construction of the city probably required bulldozing their entire civilization
Yes, and I consider loosing their Homeworld and cultural heritage the price to pay to actually get some narrative development so anons won’t be like ‘lol, don’t know don’t care’ about them. That specific attitude with the Swalli always infuriates me.

Otherwise, I’d probably side with the Non-reconners, as painful as it all is. Even though a Civil War arc would’ve been cooler, I’m not tolerating playing favorites with who gets Snapped back from the genocides.
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>>5761977
>the only thing that’ll change is the Swalli being alive for them
No they won't. We bulldozed and turned their aquaworld into our monke paradise. Where would the Swall go in this alternate scenario.
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>>5761982
Listen, the Swall are interesting, but the Ecumenopolis is also cool. They're both cool. I don't want to go back all the way to before the genocides and play everything again. With the vetuckers, however, there wasn't a single thing gained. Reviving them is pure win.

>Otherwise, I’d probably side with the Non-reconners, as painful as it all is.
You'd rather actively forgo a chance to make an much more interesting addition solely because you like the fish people?
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>>5761919
Good lord this is the worst vote I've ever seen why would you listen to the loud ass minority about shit. I want to live with the mistakes we have made, I'll vote when I get home but holy shit why.
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>>5761920
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)
Unless we get total Hazaar death and I do not care for retcons.
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>>5761987
>mistakes we made
What fucking mistake? Why do you people keep repeating this fucking shit???? There was NO reason for the vetuckers to have died. There was NO fucking reason
>but you chose to wear le mask
And how does that make it logical??? The HVS is still alive. The Migrators are still alive. So why the fuck did the vetuckers have to die???

Give me ONE reason why the vetuckers should have died.
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>>5761984
Jax- literally the only other waterworld we know about. That, or the Colonies.

Or they could just stay on Swalli- we can create pools and habitats for them in the Superstructure.

I’m honestly starting to regret voting to build that Ecumenopolis- and not just because it retconed Jaxian’s ‘nature preservation is important’ attitude.
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>>5761986
You'd rather actively forgo a chance to make an much more interesting addition solely because you like the cow people dude
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>>5761991
The Migrators are equal citizens in the Hegemony, this was voted on in one of the very first threads. All non-citizens within the Hegemony were liquidated including the Hazaar on Xin. The HVS is our Australia and not part of the Hegemony proper. If we wanted the Vetuckers to survive we should have gotten killed the Philosopher Hazaar earlier when we had the chance, we let the want for gibs poison us and earned our fate.
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>>5761986
And that doesn’t take into account the the Bluzzar we’re probably lit as fuck- we only had to extremely polarized narratives of the Bluzzar with Bluey and Yuan, what about the other millions? They could be based and we would never know!
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>>5761991
Because they are green and ugly. Imagine the mutant Jaxtian hybrids. Yuck
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>>5761998
>A much more interesting addition
That comes at a loss. And even then, I wouldn't care about keeping the Swalli if it meant the vetuckers were also spared.

But you, you're actively trying to ruin things with a spitevote solely because you didn't get what you want.

>>5761999
>The Migrators are equal citizens in the Hegemony, this was voted on in one of the very first threads.
That means absolutely diddly squat, billions of jaxtians were killed in the purges too
>All non-citizens within the Hegemony were liquidated including the Hazaar on Xin. The HVS is our Australia and not part of the Hegemony proper.
How does that make any fucking sense? If the idea was to kill all other species to free up space, why the fuck would that not include the HVS?
>If we wanted the Vetuckers to survive we should have gotten killed the Philosopher Hazaar earlier when we had the chance, we let the want for gibs poison us and earned our fate.
What the fuck does the philosopher hazaar have to do with the vetucker? Again, there was NO reason to kill the vetuckers during the genocide. The entire reason for the genocide was disloyalty. The vetuckers were COMPLETELY Loyal.

>>5762000
>They could be based and we would never know!
They would not, because they're hazaar.
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>>5761999
>If we wanted the Vetuckers to survive we should have gotten killed the Philosopher Hazaar earlier when we had the chance, we let the want for gibs poison us and earned our fate.
Fair assessment there ngl
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>>5762003
>Because they are green and ugly.
Bitch they're literally just cows. You're probably that one guy who was voting the bad options on purpose to ruin the quest.
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>>5762005
No it's focken not. Plus it's a literal fact that the votes to spare that guy were literally flooded with 1-ID samefags.

So now because the samefags won some votes we 'deserve' it? We 'deserve' to lose a giant opportunity? It is fucking retarded, and you're only saying it because you would rather bring everything down if people don't want your civil war storyline.
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>>5762004
>But you, you're actively trying to ruin things with a spitevote solely because you didn't get what you want.
No anon, I’m trying to be fucking fair to the unheard voices of the Hegemony- the ones that may have gotten some interesting narrative development, but were slaughtered before anyone gave a shit about them.

And if you want to call me a spitevoter for that, go ahead- that’ll totally convince me to vote with you guys.
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>>5761976
>We already killed the Hazaar.
Aren't they still around in the HVS? I remember Sunshine still being around until he got killed, and Startfire potentially becoming a powerful capitalist or something.

>>5761998
>>5761977
My main issue here is you're saying that you want a civil war, something that would weaken the Hegemony for the sake of plot and basically give a free and predictable win to the Consortium.
>I’m not tolerating playing favorites with who gets Snapped back from the genocides.
By that logic you support the genocide of the Ventuckers and the Swalli, rather than keep the Swalli even if that meant the Ventuckers would die by some other means.
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>>5762004
>They would not, because they're hazaar.
But how would we know? Bluey was based- for all we know, they could’ve loved the Hegemony as apart of their Jaxian genetic memory. The point is that we never got a third narrative from the Bluzzar point of view beyond the extremes.
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>>5762012
>No anon, I’m trying to be fucking fair to the unheard voices of the Hegemony- the ones that may have gotten some interesting narrative development, but were slaughtered before anyone gave a shit about them.
And you're doing that by refusing to choose an opportunity to revive one of them? Solely because you want a civil war storyline?

>>5762014
>Aren't they still around in the HVS?
Sadly, yes. But the ones in our space were genocided. It makes no sense. But like i said, i'll vote for any opportunity that revives the Vetuckers without literally sending us back to the pre-genocide era - because that would just be re-doing stuff we already went through, and that's boring.

>>5762016
>The point is that we never got a third narrative from the Bluzzar point of view beyond the extremes.
What other narrative is there? The normal civilians? What would be there to see? We already got to see those from people like Sunshine. And the Bluzzar are still around on the HVS.
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>>5761920
>Radically change Space Monke Quest (specify)
Don't nuke the Vetuckers. Or do, but have it be aborted halfway through so it's a reduced population/there's still some consequences but some of them survive. Keep the rest of it.

>>5761971
>>5761937
I don't think sparing the Vetuckers would change much of anything, desu. Swalli, yes, because that would screw over our cool city planet, but we haven't done anything major with the Vetucker land.

>>5761930
Retconning anything more major than the Vetuckers is a terrible idea. Not because of
>muh sanctity of plot
kind of thing, but because this slate of options is not written by a happy QM. This is a slate of options written by a miserable, downtrodden QM, and if we pick anything with too much effort/too much loss of work involved I would not be shocked if Bananas retreated back to his side projects and just didn't touch Space Monke again. It's like Lamplighter Quest's Starfall.
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>>5762007
Anon, I was on the ‘Fuck Yuan’ train since it started- the playerbase wanted to jump off the cliff with Yuan, not I.

And I was willing to give up the civil war storyline- I literally stated we could keep everything else, just roll back the genocides. You’re the one that’s doesn’t give a shit about the rest.

>>5762014
>My main issue here is you're saying that you want a civil war, something that would weaken the Hegemony for the sake of plot and basically give a free and predictable win to the Consortium.
Not necessarily- I believe I found an interesting way to handle that ‘problem’, though I ain’t the QM.

>By that logic you support the genocide of the Ventuckers and the Swalli, rather than keep the Swalli even if that meant the Ventuckers would die by some other means.
Correct- either the genocides get overturned, or the recon fails. Simple as.

>>5762020
>And you're doing that by refusing to choose an opportunity to revive one of them?
Yes
>Solely because you want a civil war storyline?
No- a civil war storyline is simply a replacement for the genocides. I’d be completely fine if we never had a civil war storyline- my concern here is snapping everyone back into existence, not just the race everyone knows a lot about.

>What other narrative is there? The normal civilians?
Yes
>What would be there to see?
Day in the life of? Hell, could even have a Bluzzar Soldier storyline- just because you lack creativity doesn’t mean there isn’t fertile narrative ground to cultivate.
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>>5762027
>Or do, but have it be aborted halfway through so it's a reduced population/there's still some consequences but some of them survive. Keep the rest of it.
I'd prefer to keep the vetuckers alive completely, but if we wanted to go the way of reducing her, the best way to do it would be by having Wrix basically put them through the 'Jaxtian' process - that is, erase all tribes except one, just like we killed all non-mainlainders.

I would still prefer to keep them all, though.

>>5762028
>Anon, I was on the ‘Fuck Yuan’ train since it started- the playerbase wanted to jump off the cliff with Yuan, not I.
You know very well that those votes were rife with samefaggotry.
>Correct- either the genocides get overturned, or the recon fails. Simple as.
And you think that's a good thing? Again, that's a spitevote. You're purposefully refusing to vote for something interesting that has, objectively, no downsides, solely because it's not your specific storyline.

Overturning ALL the genocides is stupid. We'd have to go all the way back. We'd have to replay literally everything. No ecumenopolis, no Bluey and Kima child, no Population Control bonus.
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>>5762027
>This is a slate of options written by a miserable, downtrodden QM, and if we pick anything with too much effort/too much loss of work involved I would not be shocked if Bananas retreated back to his side projects and just didn't touch Space Monke again
How do you know it wouldn’t breathe more life and interest into his work by trying out a storyline he initially discarded? It’s about creating more narrative potential, more interesting characters with unique perspectives of the universes they inhabit. It’s what Bananas is best at.
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>>5762034
>How do you know it wouldn’t breathe more life and interest into his work by trying out a storyline he initially discarded?
Because we'd have to re-do everything? We'd be erasing all the interesting storylines since then and revisiting old ground. You say that we're "only trying to see the species everyone knows about", but there literally hasn't been a single species with more focus than the Hazaar. We've seen life from the viewpoint of literally every single type of Hazaar. We've been seeing hazaar since the start of the game, and they're still around in the HVS.

Meanwhile, we've only seen TWO vetuckers. And only one of them interacted with Jaxtian society. Imagine how cool it would be to see more - imagine how cool it'd be to see our Doom Monke Berax fight side by side with a giga-cow.
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>>5761920
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)

I want the Vetuckers back. But I want to do this organically within the bounds of the quest, not as an alt-universe or a retcon. When we next expand toward the Galactic rim, we shall recreate the Vetucker genetic code upon one of the worlds out there. A new world for a new people, a halted course of evolution now allowed to resume... outside of the core Jaxt cluster.
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>>5762034
>How do you know it wouldn’t breathe more life and interest into his work by trying out a storyline he initially discarded?
I don't, but you don't know that either, and based on what I know about Bananas, Space Monke, what it's like to be a QM, and similar times this has happened, I'm more inclined to believe my version than yours.

>>5762039
>>5762032
I'm fine with either of these alternatives. Basically, I want the Vetuckers back, but I want to cause as little stress as possible wrt re-implementing them.
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>>5762032
>You know very well that those votes were rife with samefaggotry.
It’s been a while, but I would be surprised- the playerbase didn’t pick up a fuss about until after the catastrophe was my point though.

>And you think that's a good thing?
No- I simply think it’s just the choice I’ve made for myself.

>You're purposefully refusing to vote for something interesting that has, objectively, no downsides, solely because it's not your specific storyline.
No- I’m refusing to vote for the Ventucker autism and trying to give the Swalli their day in court. I could give less of a shit if the civil war storyline happens or not- I just want something that replaces the genocides.

>Overturning ALL the genocides is stupid.
Just because you think the Swalli are alright to genocide just because they’re a faceless species given no screentime, but the Ventuckers the objectively logically and invaluable species we must save from genocide because we’ve had the most screentime with them, doesn’t make it stupid.

>We'd have to go all the way back. We'd have to replay literally everything. No ecumenopolis, no Bluey and Kima child, no Population Control bonus.
Yes- I never cared for the post-Genocide narrative, sue me
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>>5762039
>When we next expand toward the Galactic rim, we shall recreate the Vetucker genetic code upon one of the worlds out there
Those wouldn't be the vetuckers. They'd be an entirely different species. It would completely lose the main reason why the vetuckers were so cool - because they were a GENUINE ally. This new vetucker species would be just a creation - they're people we created, so they're loyal. They're nothing more than jem'hadar homunculi.

But the VETUCKERS, the Original ones, they were SPECIAL. Because they GENUINELY embraced us. They weren't *forced* by genetic tampering. They weren't created for the sole purpose of serving us. They genuinely followed us.

Please don't lose the opportunity to bring back the vetuckers solely to try to make an pale imitation of them.
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>>5762043
>It’s been a while, but I would be surprised
The entire reason bananas used this new system was becasue of the blatant samefagging that led to the genocide.
>I just want something that replaces the genocides.No, you're voting to try to force people into 'my way or the highway' - you want the Swalli to get focus, and you'd rather deny people of something good if it means you don't get what you want.
> but the Ventuckers the objectively logically and invaluable species we must save from genocide because we’ve had the most screentime with them
Agai, what the hell are you talking about? The Hazaar had SEVERAL TIMES the screentime of the Vetuckers. We saw the viewpoint of TWO vetuckers. TWO. We saw the viewpoint of like 8 hazaar. The hazaar were here since literally the second thread.

>Yes- I never cared for the post-Genocide narrative, sue me
No, no you don't. Because if you didn't care about the post-genocide narrative, you'd be voting for any option that changes it up. But you'd rather vote to keep that storyline if it meant not voting for the Swalli.

You are, again, spitevoting. You say you don't like the story, but because the vote *you* don't want to win isn't winning, you'd rather bring the house down and keep the story you supposedly hate solely out of spite.
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>>5761920
Bananas, I thank you for sticking with us, rabid and retarded as we may sometimes be, and I thank you for caring enough about us to make this vote, I cannot imagine how a very, very invested voterbase like us may feel from the QM side.

However, I believe that all the seething and sperging should remain in the past, we've threaded far over Yuan and the Genocides, large as their shadow may seem, as such I think it's for the best to continue to play the hand we've been dealt fairly and let sleeping dogs lie.

>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)
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>>5761991
>What fucking mistake? Why do you people keep repeating this fucking shit???? There was NO reason for the vetuckers to have died. There was NO fucking reason
>And how does that make it logical??? The HVS is still alive. The Migrators are still alive. So why the fuck did the vetuckers have to die???

I really didn't want to post before this vote is wrapped up for fear of contaminating the playerbase, but honestly you (and I know it's you) have been one of the most annoying fuckers in this thread since #7.

If you're still undecided on how to vote above, please don't read this post as I don't want to color your opinions.

For the ten thousandth, MILLIONTH fucking time, the genocides were Wrix's way (with mask) of ending the ideological deviation in the Hegemony by destroying the alien races that lived within the Hegemonic system. This included the Vetuckers, the Swall (not citizens yet), and the majority of the Blue Hazaar. The Migrators don't count as they are barely uplifted and don't interface with technology beyond being used for navigation and the Baalathi are their own thing. The Red-Hazaar were their own thing in the HVS and were already an existing civilization that you helped rebuild, which was a pressure valve to allow some divergent characters and plotlines to survive without instantly being tossed away like all the other alien races. In other words, destroying or expelling all non-Jaxtian, non-Loyalist, and non-Supremacists from HEGEMONY space, which includes the star systems and habitable planets in your local cluster NOT the HVS which is a totally different cluster of stars/planets/resources/government. It was also, in a meta-sense, the player facing punishment or setback for not accepting a loss of your power as Supreme Ruler. I really do not want to talk about it any more, but you've been on this shit for an entire year now despite numerous explanations and frankly? I'm tired of it.
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>>5762051
>For the ten thousandth, MILLIONTH fucking time, the genocides were Wrix's way (with mask) of ending the ideological deviation
He ended ideological deviation...by destroying the one race that DIDN'T deviate from our ideology? Your argument makes ZERO sense. The vetuckers had to be killed (despite being literally more loyal than the Jaxtians) because 'no exceptions', but then you go and make excuses for the HVS despite them being literally ideologically opposed to us.


> It was also, in a meta-sense, the player facing punishment or setback for not accepting a loss of your power as Supreme Ruler
That just makes it even worse. You actively made something bad, that makes no sense in the story, solely to punish the players.
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>>5762036
>Because we'd have to re-do everything?
I ain’t saying everything- just enough to make it interesting. One of the downsides of the Genocides that was never commented on was the destruction of fertile narrative ground- the destruction of multiple species’ POV about the situation and the universe at large. Like, we could literally keep the Ecumenopolis if anons are that autistic about it (even though it insults our very first choice in this quest to try and preserve nature), just have the Swalli there to comment what’s being done to their homeworld.

>We'd be erasing all the interesting storylines since then and revisiting old ground
An Alpha dealing with his masculinity crisis by defending an insignificant colony instead of invading the Consortium isn’t interesting, and the current side stories can still happen. I mean, fuck, having an actual satisfying resolution to Rujo and his master’s storyline instead of quickly killing them all off wouldn’t be retreading old ground- it just means Bananas has to get creative, which he may actually enjoy.

>Meanwhile, we've only seen TWO vetuckers
And we’ve seen ZERO Swalli- imagine their perspective on interacting with the universe. It’s literally new ground.

>>5762039
No offense dude, but reviving the Ventuckers is literally a retcon of the Hegemony attitude towards the genocides- that’s simply worse.

>>5762042
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree then.
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>>5761920
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)

Life is about making choices. Being mortals, we will end up regretting some of those choices with hindsight. But life is also about how we remedy our mistakes and improve ourselves. Doing retcons is just the cowardly way out to run from our errors.
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>>5762065
>Like, we could literally keep the Ecumenopolis if anons are that autistic about it (even though it insults our very first choice in this quest to try and preserve nature), just have the Swalli there to comment what’s being done to their homeworld.
I somehow doubt they'd be even able to survive that...not to mention we'd need to put them off-planet for the duration...and most anons seem to be against the idea, anyway.
>An Alpha dealing with his masculinity crisis by defending an insignificant colony instead of invading the Consortium isn’t interesting, and the current side stories can still happen.
What the hell does defending an colony have to do with a masculinity crisis? We didn't invade the consortium because doing so would have just escalated the war.

But whatever. It seems people would rather keep a shitty storyline than to make something good because of 'retcon bad'. It will be a good thing if we never get another thread.
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>>5762065
>reviving the Ventuckers is literally a retcon of the Hegemony attitude towards the genocides- that’s simply worse.

No, it'd be a change of attitude, not retcon. Attitudes can and do change - one of the points of the Supreme ruler is that they are Supreme. A Supreme can say 'the Vetucker Genocide was Wrong' and suddenly... that's official Hegemony policy. From that point on, the Vetucker Genocide WOULD be considered wrong, because the Supreme of the hegemony has now decreed it so. Talacent's refusal to Xenocide does not retcon Akule's genocides; they were just different opinions held by different rulers in different ages.
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>>5762070
>It will be a good thing if we never get another thread.
This is a stupid defeatist attitude and I think Bananas is right for chewing you out.
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>>5762075
>This is a stupid defeatist attitude and I think Bananas is right for chewing you out.
No, it's a "We finally had an chance to do something good but everyone decides to vote to keep the state where everyone is clearly unhappy solely out of some retarded concept of 'fidelity to a story that nobody wants anyway'" attitude.
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>>5762078
>everyone is clearly unhappy
>nobody wants anyway
No, lol. I voted against the genocide and I voted for returning the Vetuckers, but the genocide and the entire chain of events leading up to it won with slightly over 50% of the vote. There's a large voting faction that sees nothing wrong with it, and I wouldn't be surprised if even some anti-genocide people are voting to continue just to keep the peace. Pretending that everybody secretly believes the same thing as you and is voting contrary to their own interests is tinfoil hat-tier nonsense.
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>>5761920
>>Go back to a previous point in the timeline and continue from there (Pre-genocides, or specify)
Let's keep the genocide.
I want to change Sunshine fate into his son not ratting on him, and then keeping the current direction.
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>>5762085
This is also a good one.
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>>5762083
>Pretending that everybody secretly believes the same thing as you and is voting contrary to their own interests is tinfoil hat-tier nonsense.
Yes, that's why people constantly complained during and after the fact, all the time. Even when you have people who said "Oh yes i'd like to do this, but i won't because retcons are le bad"

I've lost hope of us getting to use this opportunity to make something good.
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>>5762048
>The entire reason bananas used this new system was becasue of the blatant samefagging that led to the genocide.
No, I agree with that interpretation, I just disagree with when the samefagging started (but it’s safe to say around Wrix’s reign).
>No, you're voting to try to force people into 'my way or the highway' - you want the Swalli to get focus, and you'd rather deny people of something good if it means you don't get what you want.
Wrong- just because you want to project my motives, doesn’t make them true. Part of the reason why I want to chance the genocides is that it would improve my view of the Monkes back to pre-Mask level.
>Agai, what the hell are you talking about?
The motherfucking Swalli? Like, the the species that got zero screentime that I continuously talk about? Like shit bro, are you even listening or just sperging out?
>But you'd rather vote to keep that storyline if it meant not voting for the Swalli.
Anon, you literally wanted to keep everything but the Ventuckers about this timeline- I legitimately want something more different. Just because you’re sperging out over your Ventucker autism doesn’t suddenly make me a spitevoter.

>>5762070
>I somehow doubt they'd be even able to survive that...not to mention we'd need to put them off-planet for the duration...and most anons seem to be against the idea, anyway
Changing goalposts now?
>What the hell does defending an colony have to do with a masculinity crisis?
Literally, why do you think he was having self-doubts about his manhood for? And it his perspective switches by admitting he isn’t a traditional Alpha? Like, come on.
>We didn't invade the consortium because doing so would have just escalated the war.
I voted to be isolationist because we would’ve had to Genocide all their species in the end if we had invaded, and never invading or expanding is the best way to not kill off all their narrative potential.

But whatever dude, you do you.

>>5762072
Dude, the whole point of why Cijan ended the coup was because they tried to get him to compromise so that Hegemony’s attitude on the compromise continued to be policy with other Supremes- and then Wrix reinforced the genocidal urge and propagandized it as a good thing.

They’re dead Jim. It’s time to move on.

>>5762085
Salient point as well friend
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>>5762090
>The motherfucking Swalli?
You were the one that said the vetuckers were the oen with the most screentime.

> I legitimately want something more different
Well congratulations, you won't get it either.

>Changing goalposts now?
No, just reinstating my point.
>Like, come on.
Still has nothing to do with defending our own territory.
>But whatever dude, you do you.
Yes, and i hope you enjoy not getting anything you wanted because of your dumb spite.
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>>5761920
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)
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Archive readers, skip ahead 200 posts.
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>>5762051
I have some introspection on some of these points, but I’ll respect your wish to not pick at this scab Bananas
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>>5762090
Thx.

I'll also be fine with a mass Ventucker exodus semi-retcon in HVS
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>>5762105
Lmao
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>>5762096
>Still has nothing to do with defending our own territory.
Actually, it does- it directly ties in with his decision to defend our insignificant colony. But whatever.
>Yes, and i hope you enjoy not getting anything you wanted because of your dumb spite.
I take solstice in the fact that even with my support, we probably wouldn’t get anything done. I’m just glad I got to thank Bananas beforehand for offering the choice- it did make my day, even if it does turn out to be a false hope.

>>5762105
Kek, point taken, I’ll stop feeding the monkeys

I will say though- memeing 12 Monkeys and the reverse Planet of the Apes would have been fun as fuck.

>>5762111
No problem.

I’d also support that, along with the Swalli and Bluzzar as unpopular as it is =P
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>>5762118
>Actually, it does- it directly ties in with his decision to defend our insignificant colony.
We chose it because we didn't want to escalate the war.
>I take solstice in the fact that even with my support, we probably wouldn’t get anything done.
I take solstice in the fact that everyone will continue unhappy as they are, complaining about stuff while also refusing every option to actually improve the situation. In fact, i don't doubt they'll make it even worse, adding more stuff to complain about things just after voting to do them - and of course, refusing any option to un-do them because of 'le consequences'
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>>5762120
I take solstice in the fact I know how to spell solace
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>>5762122
Gottem
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>>5762122
I'm still going to be there when you're all miserable. And i will be happy.
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>>5761920
>Radically change Space Monke Quest (Spare the Vetuckers during Wrix's genocide)
This is a chance to change something, and this specifically has the most traction.
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>>5761920
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)

You run a great quest and I want to see where it goes, not some alternate timeline.
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>>5761991
YOU. HAVE. AUTISM.
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>>5762308
i just like vetuckers

the loss of opportunity to bring them back has permanently ruined the quest.
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>>5762308
Reminds me of this clip beautiful clip

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UynDW0OLToA
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>>5762312
Yet here you are in every thread whinging about it. The only mistake made was your dad cheaping out on condoms!
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>>5762319
>Yet here you are in every thread whinging about it.
I'm doing it because it annoys you, specifically.
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>>5762320
Based.
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>>5761920
>Radically change Space Monke Quest (specify)
Switch to controlling the government in the HVS. Bluey and Kima are my favourite characters still alive... Well, and Jax Beral, actually. Oh, and Starfire Shine was turned evil by our samefriends, so let him at least have remorse for what was done and not be cacklingly evil; if we can write it where he got some OTHER guy killed to save his dad, that's fine too.

Just my two cents. I also like >>5761953, but only if such an addition would be interesting to you as a QM. I'm also personally against a non-diagetic rewind, as I think the salt from those who pushed for the current timeline would be unreal, and it does sort of cheapen the quest to reverse multiple threads.
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>>5761953
>>5762457
Literally 12 Monkey memes bros- like, it would be lit
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>>5762487
You know own very well it won't happen because people are allergic to good decisions in this quest.
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>>5762527
I wish I could say that it ain’t so, but the decisions in this quest is as far from perfect as perfect be. Which reminds me…

>>5761920
Hey Bananas, you mind expanding on what would’ve happened had we accepted the offer? I want to see if my idea matched in any way with yours.
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>>5761930 plus >>5762487 Rewind/undo genocide x 1, Time travel adventures x1
>>5761951 Rewind/undo genocide x2
>>5761953 Time travel adventures x2 (1post)
>>5761962 Rewind/undo genocide x3
>>5761967 Keep on as is x1
>>5761971 Keep on as is x2
>>5761988 Keep on as is x3
>>5762027 Rewind/undo genocide x4
>>5762039 Keep on as is x4
>>5762050 Keep on as is x5
>>5762069 Keep on as is x6
>>5762085 Undo/Modify Sunshine Death x1
>>5762103 Keep on as is x7
>>5762164 Rewind/undo genocide x5
>>5762175 Keep on as is x8
>>5762457 Time travel adventures x3, Control HVS x1, Undo/Modify Sunshine Death x2

>>5762312
I think you may want to go find a quest you actually enjoy.
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>>5761920
>>5761962
If it's allowed I'll change my vote to
>Continue Space Monke Quest in its current direction (Space Civ, as the Jaxtians, current timeline)
You know seeing the other anons and the votes going the way they are it made me realize something. Our mistakes are still ours, the same as our successes. There would be something poetic about having the decision to change the universe but instead accepting it for what it is.
I appreciate this quest, good choices or bad. Even with Sunshine dying and the genocide of the Ventuckers it was still part of the ride.

Thank you Bananas.
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>>5762705
I can't get behind Sunshine dying in anyway as it was 15 people against, a 2/3 for, with heavy samefagging involved. Nothing happened with HVS since then. It's the softer of retcons and the most respectful for players.

Same with Ventuckers "only deported" to HVS - the doctor one is still alive, so it's not a stretch to say they're still alive and kicking, but deported
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>>5762718
Frankly, there’s a decent probability that the Swalli survived via Stargate memes. I remember that Stargate technology could’ve been ours had that one scientist not sperged out.
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>>5762705
>Our mistakes
Weird definition for questionable creative decisions, but alright
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>>5762723
You did put on the mask tho.
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>>5762747
Ah, right- that magically mythical ultra powerful McGuffin we never knew existed, suddenly materialized outta thin air to be shoe-horned into a vote with no context with what the decisions actually meant, other than ‘it could solve your problems’.

From Talcent to Wrix, the biggest gripes the playerbase has are your most questionable creative decisions- you’re just going to have to live with that fact like the rest of us.


And I’m going to take that as a No for explaining the accept offer.
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While it hasn't been exactly 24 hours yet, I think we have a pretty clear consensus at this point. I'm very proud of all of you for not immediately using this vote to minmax and choosing to live with the consequences of your actions even if they weren't obvious or fair.

This has really opened my eyes to what the players want and has given me a better plan for the way forward. Instead of being coy or dropping it unexpectedly, I have an idea for you to get what you want. It might be a little hacky, but I think it could fit well. But instead of being coy and springing it expectantly, we'll just do it here. Let me ask a final meta question or prompt- once again, no one-post IDs- before we actually continue with the story content of this thread. Once again, please be as honest as possible and don't simply vote for what you think is "better".

Do you want to see the other races (Vetuck, Swall) return to the Quest?
>Yes
>No

Do you think the narrative potential of these races/characters is truly MORE interesting then the potential of real and lasting consequences of permanent death/loss/defeat scenarios in a storytelling medium?
>Yes
>No
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I also rewrote the previous post like 5 times so sorry if it's a little fucked up lol
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>>5762844
>No
>No
No degenerate xenos
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>>5762844
Do you want to see the other races (Vetuck, Swall) return to the Quest?
>Yes

Do you think the narrative potential of these races/characters is truly MORE interesting then the potential of real and lasting consequences of permanent death/loss/defeat scenarios in a storytelling medium?
I really don’t know. At the very least I think it’s entirely possible to explain how the Vetuck would survive the maskocide. I think I’ll abstain from this second yes/no.
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>>5762844
>Yes
>Yes
You know how i feel.
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>>5762850
>At the very least I think it’s entirely possible to explain how the Vetuck would survive the maskocide.
And what would be the point of that? They'll just have become another species that hates us out of [literally everyone else in the universe]
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Mr. QRIEvjed, if that is your real name.

Akule had been shown with his scary ass mask on his first appereance, on a portrait standing over the corpses of his enemies, no less.

The Jaxtian Supremes were shown time and time again to be deeply ruthless when dealing with sedition (their nation is called the HEGEMONY, for Heaven's sake), and Akule, first of all, was known as the Unspeakable, risen over the ashes of the nuclear armageddon.

Wrix was shown to deeply hesitate about putting on the preserved mask and taking on the guise of the Unspeakable, and the narration told us that it would end the ideological scheme, but the methods for it would be VERY DRASTIC.

It was fairly telegraphed to us that the Unspeakable's cure for the schism may be worse than the disease. Not to mention that Jaxtians were shown told deal with problems by killing or torturing them until they stopped being a problem.

I geniunely, without snark or malice, worry that you could not foresee that putting on the mask would not result in some type of brutality that would sicken us deeply and we would have to learn to live with the choice.
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>>5762869
I'd go on a long tanget about why the actual results of the 'mask' were far more retarded and narrativelly illogical than what the 'foreshadowing' implied, but at this point i don't care anymore because nothing will convince you people. I could have definitive proof that every one of those votes were samefagged to death and you'd still mumble something about "Le consequences of your actions"
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>>5762844
Do you want to see the other races (Vetuck, Swall) return to the Quest?
>No

Do you think the narrative potential of these races/characters is truly MORE interesting then the potential of real and lasting consequences of permanent death/loss/defeat scenarios in a storytelling medium?
>I don't know

I think we've made our choices and we should live with the consequences. I'd be ok with seeing a very small minority form from cloning the dead races, but only if it could be narratively justified and in character for the supreme.

As for the narrative potential, I don't think keeping vs killing has a clear advantage. Living in the shadow of multiple genocides will influence more empathetic characters and how the other aliens see us. Having other races under our control would provide potential for interesting side characters, but you've already shown that you don't need to have the Vetuck or Swall alive to make interesting alien side characters. I don't think one is better than the other for narrative potential since both can be worked with to make interesting stories.

We've already picked our path in this story. Sticking to it and working around our past choices should be most important.
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>>5762888
>Do you think the narrative potential of these races/characters is truly MORE interesting then the potential of real and lasting consequences of permanent death/loss/defeat scenarios in a storytelling medium?
Yes, yes it is. This idiotic obsession with "consequences" that has infected this thread is retarded. "The consequences of your choices" becomes utterly null when these "choices" were utterly questionable both from the point of the results themselves, and the voting process to get them. The idea that because someone managed to use a phone to turn a 15/15 vote into a 16/15 vote to ruin an entire storyline we can never, ever fix it because "le consequences" is stupid

But go on, say the line once more.
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>>5762844
>No
>No
Almost every sentient alien has made our lives worse
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>>5762897
Except the vetuckers, of course, but you don't care about that.
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>>5762844
>Yes (Vetuck, Sunshine, fuck the swall)
>Yes (Samefagging be damned)
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>>5762849
>No
>No
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>>5762844
>No
>No
o7
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>>5762844
>Yes
>Yes
This is basically just another anti-xeno faction vs. pro-xeno faction vote, which have traditionally been something like a 51%/49% split, but we'll see if the anti-samefaggotry rules make a difference. I don't think you're ever going to make everyone happy, Bananas, though, so it might be worth considering some sort of compromise.

also thanks for getting a trip and implementing anti-samefaggotry stuff, it has been noticed and appreciated
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Ooooooh good question. Like yeah, like the Vetuckers and think they shouldn't be gone die to the mask but yeah real loss is more important.
1 post id do not count please
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>>5762844
>Yes
>Yes
I totally think if Geneticist Yuan genocided the monkes and the Bluzzar took over, the playerbase reaction would have been fascinating, but even more volatile and vitriol than what happened with the Ventuckers. The amount of spite and apathetic voters would have been larger, not accounting the people who just up and left without a word.

>>5762869
Oh please- there were ways to go about being brutal and merciless without going chainsaw massacre that left the playerbase confused and enraged. Take for instance the catastrophe at the start of Eoba’s reign- the consequences were telegraphed, yet we chose to initiate the disaster that led our nation into ruin.

Meanwhile with the Mask vote, no one knew what the they were voting for- hell, a significant minority voted to build their own mask, does that counts as a rejection of the mask, or putting on Akule’s mask? We were voting for genocides, cultural revolution, or civil war, and had no idea which punishment we were actually voting for. It’s insane to call it our honest choice when the entire vote was obfuscated and confused.

Hell, if Bananas wanted to play a Supreme being limited in power, should’ve had us play Kima as Supreme, and use the fact that she’s a woman to have everyone not treat her seriously or some shit.

>>5762874
Sorta agree with ya on there mate

>>5762888
Anon- they glorified the genocides and stated that wiping out these races were a good thing, and it’s stated IC that Supremes will uphold the tradition of the previous Supreme. The resurrection via cloning would be a false imitation of the real thing, and even that the Hegemony has no IC reason to do.
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>>5762844
>No
>No
Fuck it.

>>5762946
I think you replied to the wrong post.
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>>5763045
>Fuck It
Why? Because muh consequences from the unclear, blatantly samefagged vote?
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>>5763050
>blatantly samefagged
Every vote I don't win is samefagged. The ones I win though? Very real and fair.
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>>5762888
Also, living in the shadow of the genocides will influence how players vote in the future. For one, I can’t condone any aggression or violent expansion into another race’s territories, cause inevitably it will lead to their extermination in some fashion or another. That effectively sours any interest in expanding the Hegemony, reinforces our tendency towards isolation, and make exploring these species narrative irrelevant beyond side stories such as this. I’m perfectly at peace with maintaining our isolation for the entire quest, outta mercy for the other species we’ll never meet.
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>>5763051
Don't try that retarded excuse it is literally a fact that it was samefagged, we caught people doing it multiple times.
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>>5762874
>>5763038
Ia gree with these anons' assesment of the mask vote and how it was handled. However...

>it’s stated IC that Supremes will uphold the tradition of the previous Supreme.

THIS doesn't hodl water. What, did Wrix uphold Talacent's "no xenocide" tradition? Did he uphold Kinja's tradition of soft power? What about Qet's adherance to environmentalism? Supremes can and do diverge from the policies of their predecessors.

>>5763051
Specific votes were tilted by spates of 1post IDs, and we documented this to the point where QM acknowledged it and instituted countermeasures.
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>>5763059
Did you forget to vote?
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>>5763062
I'm on mobile and can't vote until I get home.
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>>5763059
>THIS doesn't hodl water. What, did Wrix uphold Talacent's "no xenocide" tradition? Did he uphold Kinja's tradition of soft power? What about Qet's adherance to environmentalism? Supremes can and do diverge from the policies of their predecessors.
On that, I did agree. But it was Cijan being pressured into a binding compromise that affects future Supremes that was my main point there- which is what I meant by IC statement.

Besides, I don’t see how the Hegemony pulls a 180 and spins that resurrecting the species the Unspeakable deemed unworthy is actually a good thing now, especially after years (hell, centuries maybe) of propaganda to the contrary.
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>>5762844
>No
>No
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>>5762844
Do you want to see the other races (Vetuck, Swall) return to the Quest?
>Yes, but only if it makes narrative sense. Ie, a future supreme leader who idolizes Supreme Eoba might choose to bring the Vetucker species back (seeing later Supremes as having tarnished Eoba the Great's legacy and broken his promises) and give them a new world (far away, of little use to Jaxtians).
Bringing the Swall back doesn't really make sense outside of Esaal cloning/breeding shenanigans, so I'd prefer they don't return.

Do you think the narrative potential of these races/characters is truly MORE interesting then the potential of real and lasting consequences of permanent death/loss/defeat scenarios in a storytelling medium?
>No
The problem wasn't that they all died - it was that this destruction to kill them all was so abruptly launched from an utterly unrelated decision, and came as 'friendly fire' that invalidated every single previous decision we'd made over the course of the Vetucker story - even including the next (and sadly last) one that we'd make.

I'd suspected that something bad was happening, and that the 'Vetucker Doctor' vote on the infant's fate would be a secret vote on the fate of the Vetuckers as a whole. Vote to terminate the infant, the Vetuckers get the genocide. Vote to save the infant, the Vetuckers escape the Unspeakable's wrath. And vote for the risky surgery to 'free' the horns, then the multiple Vetucker societies get 'culled' down to one single remaining Vetucker people; the most loyal and most suited now free to inhabit the planet alone and serve the Hegemony. Had this have been the vote that truly decided the Vetucker's fate, I don't think there would have been anything like the volume of backlash that happened, even if the vote had ended with abortion and the Vetuckers had met their end anyway as a result of this choice. Because that would truly have felt like our own mess-up on the Vetucker story, rather then an imposition.
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>>5763069
Gradual shift in the direction of propaganda, just like how a millenium of near-total racial unity was disrupted (and physical diveristy glorified and festishized) under Kinja. Just takes somrthing like what >>5763120 said: a Supreme reading tales of Eoba II's adventures and idolizing him or rwgarfing tge Vetuckers as tragically-lost noble savages.
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>>5763120
Good post, but how can you call it a consequence of our actions if you yourself admitted the choice was completely unrelated to the vetuckers' death?
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>>5763120
No offense dude, but resurrecting the Ventuckers makes no sense- at least with the Swalli you can have a hyper intelligent scientist class that doesn’t get rid of our Monke’s tails. The Ventuckers got nothing useful besides dumb labor- which is often substituted by Alphas, drones, etc. There’s even less of a reason to bring the Ventuckers back, and no, sentimentality isn’t a reason, especially after decades and centuries of propaganda minimizing the Ventuckers and saying their genocide was an objective good thing. Future Supremes won’t even remember them, to be honest.

And the real allegory to the Ventucker abortionist storyline is that Bananas should’ve aborted a defective narrative rather than try to save it from its deformities.

>>5763122
Same as above- imagine a Supreme saying he wants to revive the Redmaines and Greenspots because he heard tales of them being noble savages before Akule- it’s not just wishful thinking, it’s asinine and insulting to the storyline, and super hypercritical that ‘the consequences are final’ crowd is even entertaining this backdoor asinine recon.
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>>5763136
Have you considered that most of the people voting for Vetuckers to return in some fashion are not, in fact, part of the 'consequences are final' crowd?
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I'd rather the vetucker were brought artificially than not at all, but i still think it would have been much, much, much better if Wrix made them pass the same "refinement" that Akule made Jaxtians pass through by removing all but one of the tribes. It would have been a thousand times better narratively.
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>>5762122
Murry Christmas

>>5761920
>Revive the Vetuckers. It's doesn't even require time travel or retconning, just Supreme Will to dedicate resources toward bringing back a psuedo-xeno lifeform into Glorious Hegemony.

>>5762844
>Yes.
The Veuck are cute. The Swall were less cute, and remind me of Asimov's race from the Foundation series, and I don't care about them.

>No.
I believe that the narrative power of loss is stronger than the cuteness of the Vetuck. Multiple people have expressed strong emotions related to this, so experientially we can see this to be true. However, I also think that the Vetuck are cute and can be recalled within the current narrative. It could be done via a Supreme romanticizing the Vetuck, hating the Bugs, and encountering at least one planet with valuable resources where the Vetuck would be more efficient citizens than Modified Monke. Expand Hegemony, Contain Haazar.
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>>5762844
>Yes
>I reject the premise and implications of the second question

QM, do what you want. if you feel bringing Vetuckers or Swalli back will ruin the stakes of the quest, don't do it. Just don't do obscured/obtuse votes like the mask again, please. People like to have some idea what they're voting for.
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>>5763256
>I reject the premise and implications of the second question
based
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>>5763136
Greenfaces already exist. They were subsumed into the population, but the Takars (including Talacent) owe their green muzzles to them.
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Thanks for the feedback. We are now returning to our regularly scheduled programming.
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>>5763183
I see it as 50/50- they want the Ventuckers back, but want to ignore the IC reality that getting a Supreme not programmed by the Hegemony, reading non-censored history books from a pro-Ventucker viewpoint, and having them give enough of a shit to not only pay the huge expense of trying to clone r mass from scratch for no tangible benefit, but also ignore the fact that the Unspeakable designated this race to death for reasons beyond the current Supreme. Like, this is worse than a retcon, because at least a retcon wouldn’t have such a convoluted narrative to try to force the Ventuckers back into existence.

>>5763218
Ditto- I had the idea of the Unspeakable using the nukes (leftover from the Nuclear Defense Project) to achieve that, and giving the players a choice of either co-signing each race to a Nuclear Holocaust, or not, with the implication and practical effect being that giving the races nuke makes them have a shared collective experience of the Jaxians, and their sympathies. To finally make them true Hegemony citizens.
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I love this quest.
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>>5763533
I wonder how Akule would have turned out if he didn't kill him. It was a very stupid thing to do, given he ended up resurrecting his bloodline later anyway
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*BZZT!*
"Gah!"

Your name is Oneir Vat Numal again, and you are being tortured.

You knew it was over the minute the monkey pulled out your secret cargo. The Celestial Blood, a very rare commodity among space traders, is a bit of a secret. Not something you'd want everyone to know you have; trouble is, yo have no idea what it is used for. It could be a weapon, it could be for medical purposes, it could be a drug that makes you feel good all over if you snort it. You have no idea. Despite how fried your brain is right now, your memory can't quite remember any extra details about the trip. It was a routine trading run with a little hidden extra bit of cargo to avoid customs or prying eyes...

*BZZT!*

You are awoken again by that damn buzzer. You've long ago gave up trying to fake being awake to try and catch just a few minutes of precious sleep- whatever computer they have is monitoring you so exactly that the moment you start to fall off, you are instantly awoken again.

*BZZT!*

You babble on with tears in your eyes; so very tired and suffering. Every part of you aches and your eyes are so heavy. You just want to sleep- just for a second, and they won't let you. The contraption they have you crucified on will shock you if the noise doesn't wake you. You've already told them everything- you've even made up things that aren't true. You told them it's a bioweapon made to kill people and they still kept you here. You've told them you don't know and they've still kept waking you up. They won't let you sleep again. Ever.

"P-Please! I'm sorry- I don't know what I did but I'm sorry- please no more... no more..."
*BZZT!*
"I'll do anything you want- please let me sleep... Don't take my life away from me..."
*BZZT!*

You've already humiliated yourself utterly. You told them all your bank codes, all your ship's passwords, everything they could possible want. You've admitted to being inferior to their fair race. You've said that you even deserve this, that you were wrong to accidentally warp into one of their systems. It belongs to them, after all. You're sorry. So very sorry. But no matter how much you beg, they won't stop. They won't talk to you. You are going to die like this.
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Just then, in your moment of forced wakefulness, you see a massive shape appear in front of you. It's another Jaxtian, but this one is huge. Even more imposing then the others. He's bulkier, and wearing a long flowing robe and a golden medallion around his neck. In your sleep addled state, you thought he looked like a spirit guide, maybe even your guardian angel. But you don't think he's here to save you. You don't think your story has a happy ending anymore.

"Hello there, little one. I want to ask you a question."
"C-Can you make them stop! Please let me sleep- just for a moment- I swear I'll-"
"Shh... Quiet. Answer my question."
"I already told them everything- please Sir, please just a second of rest..."

You're babbling again. Your eyes close automatically and your head shoots up when the buzzer and shock hit you again- you look right into his eyes with newfound lucidity as he asks his question.

"Did you knowingly ship something that could hurt innocent people?"

You don't know. Throughout your life and career, your job as a space trucker has always been secondary to your real life, your life in your dreams. It was always a means to an end. Your shipments, your work, you've always done for the highest payout. You didn't mind stretches of loneliness or boredom in deep space- because that's exactly what you want. You didn't mind jobs with special conditions that mean your ship can't communicate with any others or can't stop along the journey because of special considerations- because that's the way you liked it. So you always got good contracts, you always made money, you kept yourself alive and comfortable.

But that doesn't always work either. You've often delivered things that were probably for nefarious use. You often let things like that pass you by- it's not you who is affected. You travel from place to place, doing business, and then leaving- you never see the aftermath, and you're too wrapped up in your own world to care. Only now, when forced into the physical world by an outside hand, does such a consideration even dawn on you- as these beings are so reliant on the objective reality they live in, on the world outside your own imagination. Maybe you have hurt people before, and you just didn't know it. You've done seedy deals- you're pretty sure a cryo-pod you delivered once had a runaway slave. You enjoyed how much it cooled down your ship's sleeping chamber. Your entire life, the struggles of others were always meaningless to you- as you were master of your own world. Now you're seeing just how easily it can be taken away from you.

What should you say? Does he want honesty? Does he want you to make yourself the villain- apologize, wash yourself clean of guilt or does he.... does...

*BZZT!*

What should you say?
>Yes
>No
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>>5763676
>Yes
It's the answer he wants
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>>5763676
Eh...i doubt they'll release him either way. Once they're finished they'll probably just kill him...if he's lucky.

So like, i don't know? Seems like even if he didn't really think about them, he did knowingly do it. Might as well say it.
>Yes
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>>5763676
>No
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>>5763676
>Yes
It's the truth.
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>>5763676
>Yes
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>>5763676
>No
Sounds like he didn’t really pay attention to what he was shipping, since he didn’t care. I have no doubt he probably did ship things that could hurt innocents, but I don’t think he knew about it.
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>>5763712
Anon, he literally said he delivered things that were probably nefarious because it didn't affect him.
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>>5763714
Yes, *probably* nefarious, but not definitely. They could have been harmless for all he knew. It’s not like he was intentionally trafficking drugs or arms or anything. He was just shipping whatever people paid him to ship.
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>>5763676
>No
Backlinking to >>5763256
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>>5763676
>>Yes
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>>5763676
>>No
Poor wombat.
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>>5763676
Told y’all it’ll end in a torturous death- should’ve ran when we had a chance.

Sorry Oneir.

>No
Now this is the honest truth. It doesn’t matter what Oneir suspected he transferred, it’s what he knowingly transferred, and since he doesn’t know jack shit- or even focused on his cargo as opposed to his real life- there is only one true answer.
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>>5763835
Not like Jaxtians have room to talk, with a culture of blind obedience and genocide.
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>>5763835
>The Jaxtian cruisers are equipped with strong gravity-beams; holding your ship in place to make escape impossible
Remember this?
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>>5763842
No, they don’t, but they were always a bunch of hypocrites anyway

>>5763849
In the post after we decided to surrender? Yes, I do. Should’ve ran- had a better chance of survival that way.
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>>5763835
It's a fake choice. Bananas needs to fulfill his torture fetish every thread. Something I approve of as long as the victims are aliens or traitors.
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>>5763676
>AhhhfearisahhhtheahhlittaaaledeathIahhhmustnotahhhfearahhhtheahllusionahhwillpassahhhandonlyahhhDreamahhhtimeahhhshallremainalhhhcaringahhhh
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>>5763676
>No.

DARE lion would be proud.
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He is going to get into a lecture.
Let's lecture him first.

"All my life, I lived inwards, dreaming as my kind learns to do, inventing a world for ourselves in our head because we were too voracious to learn to coexist with the real one, and much like the rest of my people, once I grew up and had the chance to change, I stayed the course, because I was too lazy to care.
And so I traded. I traded and I shipped things that I cared nothing for. What did it matter if they meant the world to my employers, when I had my own world inside my mind? I procured capital and resources to sustain my little beautiful world. The world inside the bubble that was my mind.
But then you burst it. You saw the little kingdom I had built for myself and popped it out of my reach, and every time it looks like it will reform you pop it again, not because I did something wrong, not because I am dangerous, not even because you want to teach me a lesson, but because this world, this world of flesh and bone and other people is a dream to you.
Do you want to know if I harmed people knowingly?
>No, monkey smurf.
I suspected some of my cargo may be used for harm, but I never took the effort to check, the effort to refuse, to care, or to change.
I only wanted to sustain my own little world of make believe and whimsy, without realizing other people might be harmed by my actions, without any happy little bubble to fall back on.
And you are much the same, thinking only on shaping and reshaping your dream world, except that you think that THIS is the dream world, that you warp and make and undo without caring about who may get hurt along the way.
You saw that I had something that you couldn't control and you did not approve to exist in your dream, so you just learned how it worked and you tore it apart, because it was not real to you, just an ugly little nightmare, just as I am.

I now realize you won't let me leave. You will just kill me, or lobotomize me so I can't dream anymore, or turn me into a plaything like the Aristocrats would, because like us you are too lazy to change and coexist with other people's dreams.

And one day, someone will come to pop your dream world away, and maybe, like I do now, you will finally realize that everyone around you was real.
And let us hope they don't see you as the ugly little nigthmare you refuse to stop seeing me as."
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>>5764194
Very poetic, and I approve.
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>>5763676
>Yes
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>>5763676
'Maybe you have hurt people before, and you just didn't know it.'
That's the core of his internal truth, he didn't know... but he didn't take great effort to check, either.

>No
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>>5763676
>Yes
We probably die either way, but this has the chance of either becoming a smuggler or getting slowly tortured to death. Which honestly doesn't bother me too much, cartel enablers can go fuck themselves.
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>>5764194
Supportin' that one
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Voting closed. "No" is the answer.
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>>5764194
I'd be happier with the outcome but this post made me realize how self righteous it is to say no.

>>5764251
If Oneir really is a Cartel enabler then he deserves all the torture he's getting.
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>>5764374
>Cartel member
>Self-righteous
He's a random space-trucker who smuggles contraband to get by. That's all. He's not very moral, but he's not cruel, or violent, and is only really guilty of the same sort of thing most of us are: doing a job to make ends meet within an immoral and exploitative system. Doing your job without questioning is even celebrated within Jaxtian culture.
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>>5764419
>Doing your job without questioning is even celebrated within Jaxtian culture.
By that logic he's more similar to the Jaxtians than he'd like to admit in that regard, hah.
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>>5764374
I’d rather be judged by a more unbiased source than racist genocidal space monkes dude
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”I... I didn't. Or if I did, I chose not to know.”
”Hmm?”
”...I lived my whole life in my own world, my dream. I never thought it could be taken away from me. But because I lived in my dream, the rest of the world meant nothing to me. Some people want couriers who don't ask questions, who will go straight to their destination without stops, who won't dare peek behind the curtain or under the lid- and that's what I could provide. Because to me, it was always just a means. Maybe I did hurt people. I was ignorant. I didn't know if I was hurting people, or if I was smuggling harmless contraband or serious controlled substances that should have been kept away or out of the hands of the wicked. It very well could have been.”

He pauses, looking at you closely. Is this judgment, or do you have to say more?

”...I guess I deserve this; for treating this reality, which is your home, like a dream. I guess you saw my own kingdom I built within myself, and decided it was something you can't control- which offends you. You view this world like I view my dream. Everything has to be to your design- except in your case, it's actually real. I just want to go back to the land of make believe.”

After a second of considering, the big man seems satisfied with your answer. He waves his hand.

”He isn't lying. Let this one go.”
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Instantly, the apes obey their leader- freeing your binds, and pushing you along. None dare question his decision.

What? Why?

Surely, this is another game. Any second, they will drag you back to the cross- back to torture you some more. This is just a way to get your hopes up. Suddenly wide awake with the cruel temptation of escape and relief- you walk along. You hear the Ruler of the apes speaking behind you, and try to turn your head back to see-

”...I let soldiers go who came to kill me at the Stand, I surely can let a smuggler go.”
“And the Celestial Blood, Lord?”
”It's been confiscated. Give it to Maktana III, we need an expert on it immediately. If it was a weapon- we stole it by luck. This chance encounter could be exactly what we need for the final assault...”

Within a moment, you are back at your ship. Your whole body shakes- partially from the emotions surging through your, as well as your exhaustion, which has neared the point of total madness and incapacitation. Your ship chirps at you- telling your cargo bay remains full, and you're ready to continue to make your latest delivery. It advises you to sleep, given your fluctuating vital signs, and will wake you the next time it needs a Hyperspace jump- many days from now.

You lay down on your comfortable cockpit's bed, folding your arms and closing your eyes. Almost instantly, you feel sleep take you. The images behind your eyelids began to dance and flow into recognizable shapes. The sense of relief floods your body as the last thoughts of this being all a trick go away- and finally, you go back to your real life.

>Quest continues tomorrow
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>>5764825
Can it be? is the era of misery and suffering over?
Bantam chads, we did it!
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>>5764837
The worst Supremes are always succeeded by the best ones. Like Eoba II.
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Another good Alpha Supreme. Snugglier than Agori?
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>>5764862
Well, he'd probably just have you shot for trying to find that out instead of literally ripping you in half with his bare hands, so yes, technically.
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>>5764837
My suspicion is, since the Jaxtians and Threeemind have had full run of the ship, our 'next delivery' that we didn't care about checking might now be something else being delivered to somewhere else then it had been before... we're basically now working for the Jaxtian state, making suspicious and lethal deliveries into consortium space without even knowing (or caring) that we are.
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>>5764825
The quest is fixed? Nice.
>Then the celestial blood turns into covid-HIV for jaxtians
... I shouldn't give Bananas ideas
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>>5764837
>literally tortured him for no reason
>we did it lads! the era of misery and suffering is over
Have we fallen so far, to consider such low bar high?

>>5764841
I actually like Agori- he gets a bad rap for essentially being a successful Supreme, and ironically one of the least neurotic ones when you consider Ignar and Wrix.

>>5764862
>pic related

>>5764866
Nah- he’d probably take the weapon that most compliments you and guts you with it.

>>5765028
>Then the celestial blood turns into covid-HIV for jaxtians
At this point? I’d probably consider that a good thing.
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>>5765041
>At this point? I’d probably consider that a good thing.
Okay we get it, you hate how the quest is going.
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>>5765046
Oh, I meant objectively- like, as dictatorial as the Consortium’s many states probably are, they probably have the best QoL for the client species. Aristocrats are probably the worst to live in- ain’t no covid-HIV gonna affect their ruling class though.
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>>5765041
>Have we fallen so far, to consider such low bar high?
Yes.

>Agori was one of the least neurotic
Not really. Before him, we didn't really have ANY neurotic Supremes. After him we did, but Cijan was level-headed, Kima's dad was handed a bad situation and managed it suboptimally but wasn't a bad guy or a nervous wreck. While Wrix was a monster and depressed, that was mainly the mask.

>>5765052
I think the Hegemony actually had the best QoL now, post-genocide, with all the lebensraum and the artist-crafted ecumenopolis. They don't even feel the deep-seated anxiety of the Unspeakable years anymore, since we voted to give them some relief.
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>>5765334
He only became neurotic when he got old and obsessed with the next Supreme- like, he went apeshit when he was young, but how much of that was normal Alpha behavior due to excessive testosterone. He was a wildly successful Supreme, merely overshadowed by his predecessor and his successor.

>that was mainly the mask
>Shnshine

As for QoL, maybe less social problems, but the torture camps and security apparatus never went away- and purges always degrade QoL even long after their finished, both materially and spiritually. Like, all the Ecconomy-minded monkes fucked off to the HVS- and whatever was left got purged, as opposed to the uninterrupted free market exchange and expansion of the Consortium.
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>>5765373
>Like, all the Ecconomy-minded monkes fucked off to the HVS- and whatever was left got purged
Honestly that doesn't seem like such a bad thing in the long run.

>purges always degrade QoL even long after their finished, both materially and spiritually.
You have a point on the purges, but bro the uninterrupted free market tends to always lead towards spiritual decay and materialism. I mean, a more secular and nihilistic population is a more profitable and loyal customer base.
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>>5765395
>I mean, a more secular and nihilistic population
Anon, the hegemony is literally nihilistic and secular by law. They don't consider rights to be a thing. Or religion. Or having a purpose in life. Or really anything that isn't "serve the supreme"
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>>5765396
That is true, but it wasn't what I was talking about.
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>>5765401
Yeeeah, but saying that free market leads to secularism and nihilism is kinda moot when non-free markets ALSO lead to secularism and nihilism

This universe just sucks. every government sucks. and the ones that don't get destroyed.
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>>5765403
(By universe i mean this quest's universe, not trying to be nihilistic here this quest is just kinda dystopic, it's either ridiculous big brother authoritarianism or ayn rand capitalists or crazy military juntas or hedonistic psycho autocrats)
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>>5765403
>This universe just sucks. every government sucks. and the ones that don't get destroyed.
Very true and based.

>>5765405
Though you saying this makes me feel like it's the cold war with the Hegemony as the Soviets and the Consortium as the West lmao
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>>5765395
>the uninterrupted free market tends to always lead towards spiritual decay and materialism
>looks at Soviet Union and China

I get that spirituality is a nuanced topic with many rabbit holes, but I think it’s clear that an uninterrupted free markets doesn’t lead to spiritual decay and materialism, considering RL examples.

Also, secular nihilism leads to a loyal customer base? Lol.

>>5765410
The Hegemony is Soviet Nazi (or National Bolsheviks), but there is only one Red Menace in this quest….
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>>5765403
Could be that population density probably leads to secular nihilism- I mean, it’s the only think everyone has in common, the explosion of population leading to extreme competition in society and thus spiritual neglect in order to complete, eventually leading to a loss of human dignity. The seeds of post-modernist thought post-world wars was born in the Industrial Revolution after all.
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>>5765432
Yeeah, not really. The idea that secular nihilism means everyone will have the exact same ideological processes as our civilization does is stupid.

But since i don't wanna speak of real politics, in the monke universe it is definitely not true either. There's really nothing that would have forced all these societies to become hellholes, it's just that it's a grimdark universe where everything ends up sucking eventually and the best ending a good person can get is dying before the jackasses ruin everything.
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>>5765458
It isn’t the same ideological practices, but a phenomenon of human physiology- the cycle of civilization may be a better term, but it is documented that we repeat history, not 1:1 but in a rhyme and rhythm beyond our comprehension.

In Monke universe, Bananas is trying to larp 40k grimdark, yes. The interesting thing is how biology play into a civilization, but beyond technology being a metaphor for ever-encroaching dystopia, there is really nothing else to remark on in-universe.
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>>5765482
>It isn’t the same ideological practices, but a phenomenon of human physiology- the cycle of civilization may be a better term, but it is documented that we repeat history, not 1:1 but in a rhyme and rhythm beyond our comprehension.
Yes, but it's not really a scenario where population density will always lead to secularism and nihilism - the roman empire, one of the best examples of a society that decreased, did indeed have plenty of nihilism, but they also ended up just having a million and one cults springing up everywhere during their later years.
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>>5765373
Agori started off his reign by angsting about his (real or perceived) obsolescence, a persistent insecurity which never went away.

>>5765432
The Seekers stayed religious.
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>>5765487
And you think the current nihilism will remain permanent?

>>5765532
Think the Worms ate them?
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>>5765633
>And you think the current nihilism will remain permanent?
Like i said, that's more of a political question and not really quest related, which i'd rather not discuss here since it's a waste of thread posts.

>Think the Worms ate them?
According to Oneir they went underground. I'd have to wager that the Cyte could have gotten to them and started nomming all their starseers.
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You are now Jemma Ontam again. You've finally opened your store- and it has been great!

At first, you didn't see much business. You were worried your idea wouldn't catch on; Jaxtians who live on space colonies or artificial habitats are instructed to have very strict cleanliness habits, and the average citizen of the Hegemony are very fastidious anyway. Many people simply refuse to get this close to animals while they're eating. But eventually, you gained some core clients and the AI network started to advertise your business automatically to people interested- and pretty soon you got the ball rolling! It was exactly what you wanted.

People came for the cafe, but stayed for the 'thieves. Your cute little pets, which you can pet or pamper with treats, and their fun antics. "Stealing" food from people who sit beside them, Nut Thief themed drinks and snacks. Calm atmosphere that lets people relax. The busy people of the city have started to come to this place to cool off from their busy and stressful schedules. Plus, you get to spend all day with your cute critters. You've got the best job in the whole world! It's exactly what you dreamed of! You hope everyone else likes it too. You hope Hass will like it, when he comes back.

And not to mention the enrichment. The Hegemony is very strict about giving too many pets to one person- one Jaxtian can't take care of too many Nut Thieves at once without them becoming neglected or worse- they need a lot of stimulation. And this cafe is pretty much perfect for that. You've even gotten a rescue or two, along with your own. They love the attention they get from all the patrons!

Let's see... Spot, Gnarry, Kicker, Trouble, Rascal...

Wait, where's Rascal?
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In a blur of fur, you see the little 'thief run across the floor of the cafe out onto the street.

"Oh no! Rascal! Come back!"

You give chase, and he picks up speed. You hear him chirp in excitement.

"No! This isn't a game, Rascal!!!"

The little thief is running away. You have to leave the cafe, confident one of your employees can keep it running while you're gone, to chase the small mammal. He runs between legs of big Jaxtians- stomping feet that could easily crush him.

"Oh my Ruler- Sorry! Watch out!"
"Hey!"
"Please be careful- Rascal please come back!"

You chase the small creature down towards the central climbshaft- and he keeps dodging you. But you know you'll catch up- he's a fat little rodent and he'll get tired soon. You're more worried he'll find a crevice to get stuck in. There's no natural predators on this city-planet for him to get eaten by, but he could easily get caught in a machine, or flushed down a pipe- or stuck somewhere. Oh no, please come back Rascal!

He goes down a path you've never seen before, hidden away past technical and service tunnel entrances. He goes around another corner past a wall that juts out the path, down a dark spot, and through another unsigned area. You're in the bowels of the city now- and while everything is clean and new down here still, it still feels so quiet. You can't even hear anyone else down here- where is he taking you?

Soon, he crosses into a new room and you drop down, trying to find him past the artificial foliage. Your eyes scan the floor instead of looking up towards your eye level.

"...Rascal?"

There's a shadow looming overhead. You crane your neck up from the floor to see it more clearly.
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"G-Gah!"

Out of nowhere- your eyes focus on the yellow shape in front of you- right there in the flesh- a Swall! You've seen holograms of them back in school. These are the original inhabitants of this planet. The ghostly apparitions stand there in tribal garb, coming from the plant-like decorations against the wall, like emerging from the darkness. In hand, spears tipped with lethal corals.

"Agghh! It's not possible! You're- you're extinct!"

Have the Swall come back with vengeance against your kind? You didn't have a hand in their destruction- but that wouldn't dissuade a spirit bent on revenge!

"No! Please leave me alone!"

>Quest continues later
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>>5766067
Hmm, I feel this might not be exactly what we expect it to be...or maybe it is.
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No, wait, invite them to the café. More costumers, more moolah!
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>>5765426
Alright I'll bite. Prepare for autism.
>but I think it’s clear that an uninterrupted free markets doesn’t lead to spiritual decay and materialism, considering RL examples.
Ah yes how could I forget the highly spiritual (and not at all secular in any way) countries of the anglosphere. Things such as the porn and fast food industries are examples of hegemons in the free market that are impossible to curb without state intervention. It's also not taking into account the hedonism supported by practically every company.

>looks at Soviet Union and China
In both the USSR and modern day China there were religious booms (much to the chagrin of their respective leadership, but they eventually learned to compromise with the more malleable movements) and a 'spiritual' nationalism that is observed by the people there. You can't tell me that the average Soviet citizen wouldn't zealously kill and die for their country at the height of the Stalinist era.
Meanwhile in more laissez-faire countries there's hardly have any of that, if not the contrary (mass protests against war, unpatriotism for the sake of money, and distrust towards the country are insanely common from what I've seen and this was displayed by how our dear Vrrskr acted when asked to do his patriotic duty. He at best considered it secondary to making money).
And before you say anything about America in the 50s or the Victorian era or something similar, that was not a truly free market. They literally censored and uprooted any unpatriotic/immoral company or person back then, despite any potential loss in revenue. Hell, even Adam Smith warned that over reliance on the free market could lead to mass immorality don't quote me on that last one, it's been a few years since I've read either Wealth of Nations or his Theory of Moral Sentiments.

>Also, secular nihilism leads to a loyal customer base? Lol.
Yes.
A brand needs to compete and acquiesce with the interests of religion where it exists. It is best for them to fully get rid of such influences in order to make the population hooked on whatever they're selling and create a 'need' for it that would supplant religious feelings. Of course the less cutting edge and archaic companies might believe a compromise with religion can be made, but this is a backwards and suboptimal way of thinking that goes against any grounded long term corporate policy. Just look at all the ultra-religious people that refuse to do basic consumerist things like drink soda or that rant about microplastics. Do you realize how much corporate money could be lost if policies were made against plastics or soda? These are issues the more religiously inclined see as important.

>>5765432
>Could be that population density probably leads to secular nihilism
Are you saying covid and aids are a blessing for humanity? lol

>>5766067
Of fucking course they're back lmao.
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>>5766077
It absolutely is one of those 'natives aren't not what you expect them to be despite propaganda' situations. I will be genuinely shocked if it isn't and they want to kill Jemma.
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>>5766102
No I mean I don't think it's what we expect it. Natives just suddenly appearing out of nowhere? Something smells fishy, and it's not the Swalli.
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>>5766107
Oh I didn't even consider that. But now that you said it you're right, there is something weird about this.
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>>5766113
I mean, the Hegemony is basically a big brother state. The idea that these natives could somehow sneak into the maintenance corridors without some AI alerting the enforcers is pretty sketchy.
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I just realized I did two updates in a row without prompts. I guess I'm running a web novel now LOL
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>>5766125
Put on Royal Road and charge money to vote so coomers hand over their life savings for monkie boobs.
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>>5766120
Agreed. Unless they have some extremely good explanation to both why they're still around and how Jemma was able to find them there's something off here.

>>5766125
It keeps both the discussion and the quest itself alive so I'm not complaining.
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>>5766127
Alternatively, go to Akun, and see as they immediately vote to immediately fuck the nearest person.
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Taking history seriously with wax-like statues or realistic holograms?
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>>5766155
Hah, that's also an interesting possibility. It could be funny to find what's basically a historical reenactor.
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>>5766168
Huh. Interesting, but would the Hegemony tolerate a group sympathetically occupying the headspace of a conquered and exterminated race? I wonder...
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>>5766211
It's an escape valve from all the stress, as long as it's purely for fun. I'd bet that these reenactor groups are either state approved or at least has a government mole keeping watch for potentially subversive stuff happening - and perhaps even discreetly steer the group clear of such treasons.

Kinda reminds me of that story/greentext I've read about a DnD group getting a new member that seems normal, stayed for some sessions but eventually drifted away, but something always seem kinda off - turns out he's an FBI agent investigating stuff during the DnD satanic panic era.
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>>5766067
The Monke LARP community must be fun, ngl. Also, love the blur of fur bit-rhymes are always fun when they happen.

>>5766094
I’m not saying that the Anglosphere is Super Spiritual and all that (even if American is more spiritually Christian than Europe is), I’m saying when you compare it to authoritarians promoting materialism as a way to retain political power (China), the free market doesn’t have a monopoly on spiritual decay.
>religious booms
I don’t consider loosening social constrictions to a captured institution a ‘religious boom’- for if it was a religious boom, they’d crack down on such threats to their power, for the people cannot believe in an authority higher than the state.
>Stalinist zealots
I’m sure Stalin had his cult of personality, but I don’t think dying of famine and bloody purges and joining the enforcers for food exactly counts them as zealots- and that not even considering the Solviet racial minorities that collectively made half the USSR population.
>laissez-faire countries patriotism
It’s often common that the pendulum swings the other way when they do get attacked by by polities thinking they are internally weak (Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc).
>not a truly free market
I’d largely agree, never been a true free market, but it’s as close as the world’s come to it, so can’t thow out that baby with the bathwater =P
>Adam Smith
I believe that’s called Neo-liberalism, and he’s right- free market ain’t a morality, it’s an resource management system.
>Yes
You’re basically explaining ESG right there, but I don’t think companies going broke, getting woke, and croaking by their own rope is proof that secular nihilism leads to a loyal customer base- in fact, it proves the opposite is true, secular nihilist aren’t loyal and aren’t a great market to cater to.
>Are you saying covid and aids are a blessing for humanity?
No- that’d be Noah’s Flood. Jokes aside, I think it makes sense- in a smaller community, you matter more to the community, while in a city, you’re merely one of many in a faceless crowd.

>>5766120
Not to mention surviving the terraforming and a trillion tons of added water pressure.

>>5766125
>website when

>>5766211
Civil War re-enactments ain’t a hub for subversives. If anything, it’s probably LARPing the ‘just’ extermination of the Swalli.
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>>5766244
>I don’t consider loosening social constrictions to a captured institution a ‘religious boom’- for if it was a religious boom, they’d crack down on such threats to their power, for the people cannot believe in an authority higher than the state.
I agree. This actually translates well to my main argument, being that such systems take the place of religion when it is lacking (just look at how Jemma says "Oh my Ruler- Sorry! Watch out!" lol).
I meant what I said specifically in terms of population, not state belief or policy. I don't consider it a coincidence that most post Soviet states had religious upswings after the fall of the USSR, or how Christianity in China is predicted to surpass Christianity in America by the 2030s. Meanwhile religious and spiritual belief is plummeting in the West.
On a slightly diverging note, Chinese economic policy isn't actually Chinese but is based on and more closely related to the American System (the economic theory, not the general doctrine of laissez-faire).

>Stalin's cult of personality
One could make the same arguments when referring to the Church in the medieval era, that there was only support for it due to the need for assistance in poverty. However I believe it's evident that the population believed in Catholic doctrine when it was at its height. It's the same for capitalist and socialist countries with strong secular power, they replace natural concepts like religion with something more amiable to their respective systems, whether by soft power or force.

>It’s often common that the pendulum swings the other way when they do get attacked
It's not particularly reassuring to know that it takes a major tragedy to galvanize the population in a laissez-faire nation enough to make them care about their country. And that's not to mention the usual news sensationalism that excuses all excesses done by the nation in times of war.

>it’s as close as the world’s come to it, so can’t thow out that baby with the bathwater =P
I can't really be optimistic about this since communists tend to use the same argument and also my personal experience in advertising has jaded my views, so I'll admit I might be a bit biased.

>free market as resource management
Ideally yes, but I've seen it be treated like a moral system by most of it's supporters.

>ESG
Exactly. Though I have to disagree with the concept that they'd fall under their own weight. Companies have shown to embrace progressivism and succeed (Google, Coca Cola, and most multi million dollar companies. Perhaps they may face temporary losses, but they're too big to fall and will make exponentially more when society moves left). Any company that opposes the norm tends to be slowly strangled by the big ones, or at best acts like the American company Chick-fil-A and acquiesces to ESG while still maintaining it's conservative consumer base.

>community is more atomized in cities
That's an excellent point actually.
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>>5766343
>(just look at how Jemma says "Oh my Ruler- Sorry! Watch out!" lol).
I've been on the fence about the Jaxtians saying "Oh my Science" as an expletive for basically the entire quest. It's been just barely too memeworthy to use. "Oh my Lord" works better- since it's used for Christ referring to Jesus being Lord of all creation, but the Jaxtians actually literally mean their Lord-Secular.
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>>5766368
Its a nice detail. I like it. What about an exclamation involving the Hegemony?
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>>5766368
>I've been on the fence about the Jaxtians saying "Oh my Science"
Lmao that would be hilarious. I'm sure some people would hate it though kek.
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>>5766368
"Oh my Science" is a bit on the nose. Something like "By the Unspeakable!" when horrified or shocked might be make sense, though?
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>>5766368
I don`t think i could take the jaxtians seriously if you used 'oh my science'

Oh my lord works welll enough. The jaxtians basically worship the supreme already.
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>>5766376
>>5766381
Good suggestions, thanks.
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>>5766368
I would 100% not be able to take "Oh my Science" seriously, so good decision not to include it. "Oh my Lord" or anything involving the Supreme sounds good to me. I also like this one >>5766381.
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>>5766666
>Quints
By the Unspeakable!
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>>5766666
Nobody has quints like the Hegemony.
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>>5766388
d'AWWWW!

There is aso the classic "Stars" or "By the stars" that people in secular Sci-Fi tend to say.

But in the context of the Jaxtians, there could be things like "glory of the nation!" since patriotism is super encouraged, or maybe "earth beyond!" as a mutation of an older exclamation that sprung after the Hegemony forbid Heavenly swears and told folk to "keep their feet on the ground."
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You feel the panic start to fade as the being before you stays still, not advancing towards you with spear raised- Oh. It's a statue. Of course it was. Haha. You didn't almost pee your pants over a statue or anything. Ha ha ha. You reach forward just to make sure- and indeed. Under your hand, it feels clearly artificial, but it looks so real. The coloration, the size, the material- it all looks just like a real Swall. It's even got some kind of acrylic paint that shines in the light to make the skin look damp- exactly like an amphibian skin.

You take a second to look over the scene before you to finally understand what you're seeing. It's some kind of huge diorama or mural; half painted onto the walls and floor. It looks exactly like an island beach, with plants, and Swall figures rising from the water. It's two dimensional where it is painted, but has an incredible sense of depth. Even the “sand” has painted footprints- a statue perfectly cut and bisected as if it is rising from the water itself, with the illusion of depth in the shadows playing on the surface of the water.

You aren't sure what the purpose of this is. This piece of art is hidden away. You've never seen this room before; it has no other exits and doesn't lead anywhere useful. Even the nearest service access for the city's technicians is the other direction- the central climbshaft is above you. It wasn't signposted either, almost like it was hidden here on purpose. But why? You wonder, shifting on the balls of your feet, is this some kind of Anti-Social display? You really don't want to be looking at things like that. You'd much rather report it- but nobody you know exhibits anti-social behavior, and even if they did, they wouldn't have access to resources like this. Obviously, this was approved, and a lot of work was put into it.

You're used to seeing such realistic scenes for learning or entertainment; but those are in virtual reality, not in real life. Who would make something like this? Who could make something like this?

“Ahem.”

There's a man's voice. You turn, and it's a blonde in a very fancy outfit. And he's got Rascal!
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While you feel a bit nervous being around a strange man, especially so far away from anyone else, he seems friendly enough. And your Nut Thief is cuddled right into his arm. If Rascal can trust him, you can too.

“I hope I didn't startle you.”
”Oh no- you didn't. Did you make this?”
“Yes, I did. I didn't expect anyone to find it yet.”

It was just about then you realize who you were talking to. You give him a little bow.

”Oh! You're the son of the Unspeakable. My deepest apologies, your grace.”
“Please, you can just call me Yino.”

He gives you Rascal back. Still, you're a bit starstruck. This is the designer of the entire city you live in- and apparently including this strange mural. Though you should be happy he caught your little employee for you, you still have a burning desire to know more.

”Thank you for grabbing him.... This mural is quite impressive.”
“You like it? Thank you. How's the city treating you? I made a few concessions to Mann over some of the amenities. He wanted more of a fractal pattern, but I told him symmetry would be more aesthetic...”
”I'm sorry- Yino, was it? I don't understand. Why is this here? I'm not an artist so maybe I don't have the sense to understand it but...”

He smiles.

“...It's a silly little thing, really. It's just something I've always wanted to do. Ever since I was a boy, I had fantasies like this. Hiding away pieces of art in hidden places; or a secret gallery in the walls of my family home where I could paint my pieces before they were finished- so nobody could come snoop until it was done. I would tell my VR glasses to project secret rooms like that in my closet or behind a sliding panel against the wall. That kind of thing. So I made one here- this room isn't on any of the maps. No AI uplink or vital systems. It's a useful way to cull excess space from the city plans... I just thought it would be cool.”
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You giggle.

”Heh- that's so funny. I had the exact same fantasy.”
“Really?”
”Yeah, but for me, it was for Nut Thieves. I always loved the idea of building a little house for them in the wall of my room too; a food area that looked like a kitchen, chambers with bedding dressed up as bedrooms, a little front porch where they could come “visit” the rest of the family, that kind of thing. I begged my parents to commission it built, but they said no. They were right- waste of resources for a childish fantasy. A dream, really.”
“True. Same for me. Just a dream. Though, I'll admit a bit to being spoiled. As the son of the Unspeakable, I had more leeway. I ended up getting a secret reading room just for my books- a little window. No doors... I felt so special in there. It was fun.”
”Books? You read actual, physical books?”
“...I'm sorry, difference in class. I didn't mean to impose it on you.”
”No no, no offense taken. That's all over now, anyway.”
“Indeed.”

There is a small pause. You move your eyes back to the mural again. It honestly is really cool that something like this just... here. Hidden away. Nobody knows about it- despite it being in a huge city- a secret like that could persist.

“Can I ask you something?”
”Hmm? Oh, of course.”
“Do you think you can keep this a secret?”
”Oh. Uhh...”
“I mean, you can still come visit it sometimes, if you want. Or show people you care about, you know? But just not everyone. Please don't spread it around everywhere- or take pictures and blow it up on the socials. I'd really prefer if this was something... unique. We live in a world so lacking in mystery. Something special. I don't want it spoiled. What do you say?”

You see exactly what he means. Just like your own childhood ideas; secrets hidden around for people to stumble across. The sense of adventure! But at the same time... this could make you a bit of a micro-celebrity. The type of thing to bring a lot of attention to your shop.

>Keep the secret
>Make no promises
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>>5766956
>>Keep the secret

I ship them, just as the AI systems of the Hegemony guided by the Unspeakble desire me to.
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>>5766956
Yep, knew it. Woulda been nice to see the Swalli, but a buncha tribalmen outta nowhere?

Well, I gotta say...I guess I'd like to keep the secret. I feel like if it got famous, the Ecumenopolis might start appreciating Swalli culture a bit more, though...

Eh. He asked us not to do it.
>Keep the secret
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>>5766961
>Cold but polite military man who appreciates her job
>Imaginative artist with an powerful father with a sense of mystery and wonder
What is this, a female romance novel? What's next? Are they going to fight shirtless under the rain?
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret
Far less sinister than what I was imagining, huh. Oddly sweet too.

>>5766966
Now all we need is a mustache twirling villain to hurt the mc and make the two guys work together after the love triangle comes in full swing.
Honestly I'm not complaining. This is a nice look at an average comfy life and compliments the more grim parts of the quest.
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>>5766979
No thanks, the last love triangle we had ended in a genocide.
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There's no Danielle Steele novel that involves genocide and a love triangle? Really? Well then.

*scribbles furiously*
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>>5766956
>>Make no promises
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret
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>>5766956
>>Keep the secret
Cute. And we have no need for extra attention, since business is already booming and there's no need to turn a profit.
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>>5766956
Huh, that was quite nice. Pleasantly suprised.
>Keep the secret, in exchange for having a meal at our cafe
I mean, if he’s still here, it means it ain’t finished yet- shame to expose an unfinished piece, ja? Besides, having the Unspeakable’s son dine in our cafe would do more for publicity than exposing the art.

Am really tempted to expose it though- it’d be nice to generate some interest in the Swalli. I do like Yino though, so I’ll refrain and just bite the bullet here- maybe there will be another opportunity to generate some interest.

I’ll let my paranoia rest about Jemma having a unique gene and all that, hate to spoil the moment.

>>5766962
Not making the best of the opportunity saddens me, ngl, but I’ll chalk it up as for the best.
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>>5766343
>such systems take the place of religion when it is lacking
I disagree- the system didn’t take the place in the void of religion, but was a rival religious faith itself attempting to overthrow the current status quo and take control of society. Their projection of secularism is a mirage- they’re trying to kill God and put Man in his place.
>religious upswings
I’m not surprised that when the state stopped prosecuting religion that religion bounces back. Also, the return of Jesus’s Brother and the Heavenly Kingdom when?
>belief in the West
I think that’s more of a case of Marxists demoralizing the West for generations- at a low point now, but I think it’ll steadily bounce back like the Great Awakening.
>Chinese economic policy
Not surprised- gotta emulate the best. Like with Imperial Japan using the Prussians for their army and the British for their navy.
>medieval Church
I think it was less to do with poverty and more the fact that it was the only capable education system that survived the Roman Empire’s demise and the subsequent balkanization of Western Europe.
>for capitalist and socialist countries with strong secular power, they replace natural concepts like religion with something more amiable to their respective systems, whether by soft power or force
Not really- Turkey and Iraq used to be strong secular powers in the past, and are now dominated by religion.
>It's not particularly reassuring to know that it takes a major tragedy to galvanize the population….enough to make them care about their country
I think you’re wrong there- I think a lot of the population cares about their country, they just not on the same page on how to improve it- hence the crisis lending clarity and unity in thought and belief to a nation divided.
>news sensationalism that excuses all excesses done by the nation in times of war
Yea- the corporate press are practically lapdogs of the state. I’m hoping the internets kills off their corporate model with decentralized journalism.
>I can't really be optimistic about this since communists tend to use the same argument
I’m sympathetic to that feeling- just know that I meant it objectively, and not in the ‘blind faith that my brand/view of communism has never been tried, which means it would totally bowel bro, just trust me with absolute power’ all communists pull/believe.
>it’s treated like a moral system by most of it's supporters
I’ve never been a fan of Neo-Liberalism and their politics.
>ESG
Completely disagree- what ends up happening is that a company becomes unprofitable, gets woke to attract ESG funding, and then dies because it remains unprofitable. The Bud Light Effect reinforces that point, with Target being affected- and that’s not counting the incoming purge for the film industry, Hollywood, and Disney, or Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter and turning it into X. The tides are shifting.
>That's an excellent point actually.
Thank you, you made some solid points yourself!
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret

Quite apart from anything else, we don't want to annoy anyone with supreme-grade connections.
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>>5767194
>trying to kill God and put Man in his place.
I agree. However I'm not convinced that it hasn't succeeded at least somewhat, just take a look at what the West is like.
>return of the Heavenly Kingdom when?
Soon lol I still can't believe that was an actual historical event.
>Great Awakening
Unfortunately I think it already has in the rise of a new secular and humanist morality, with the global riots of 2020. I doubt we'll see an actual mass religious revival in our lifetimes, here's hoping I'm wrong.
I agree with what you said about Marxism, but it's been appealed too by corporations which makes me doubt the ability of the free market to defend principles, unlike what is seen in more protectionist countries like Hungary or Poland.
>gotta emulate the best.
Indeed, this particular market structure has proven to help economies become powerhouses. And it isn't the only thing China has emulated, just look at how they have ports all around the world, it's reminiscent of things like Shanghai and Macau.
>balkanization and education post Rome
That's a good point, but I'm more inclined to believe that real belief and honest fanaticism existed in masses. Just look at how passionate people will get with certain brand or media, or how fanatical Soviet citizens were. I'd argue such people would be monks or nuns in the medieval era.
>Turkey and Iraq
Countries like those are examples of systems that failed in converting their citizenry to something more amiable to them due to lacking the base for it.
>I think a lot of the population cares about their country, they just not on the same page on how to improve it
Sure there are people that care, and like you said are divided on how to act, but I think there's been a noticeable amount of apathy for the country. I mean, Spain doesn't even allow their national anthem to be played. And I can't really blame such people, why should there be any patriotism beyond one for selfish gain about an entity that only sees you as a voter to appeal towards without any semblance of community?
>I’m hoping the internets kills off their corporate model with decentralized journalism.
You and me both.
>I’m sympathetic to that feeling- just know that I meant it objectively
Thank you, even though I still ultimately disagree conceptually it's nice to actually talk without it devolving into strawmans and ad-hominem.
>I’ve never been a fan of Neo-Liberalism
Same here.
>The tides are shifting.
I wish I was as optimistic as you are. I feel like the current events are more of a pressure-release valve than anything substantial or permanent. This same hope was seen back in 2016, but then 2020 came along. If there is any success it'll revert back to how it was unless permanent changes are instituted in the social avant-garde/intelligentsia and 'society moving left' influence.
>you made some solid points yourself!
Likewise!

Wow are we actually having a civil conversation on 4chan? Color me surprised.
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret, in exchange for having a meal at our cafe
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret
Cute!
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>>5766956
>>Keep the secret
This is going to end badly because Bananas hates happy endings
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>>5767396
Unless you're Eoba II.

He was truly a chad, from beginning to end.
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>>5767495
Bluey also got a happy ending, and Kinja. Talacent, too, right?
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>>5767547
Wait shit i confused Kinja with Kima, disregard.
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>>5766956
>I'd really prefer if this was something... unique. We live in a world so lacking in mystery. Something special. I don't want it spoiled.
Damn, I feel that.
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>>5767593
Yeah well maybe he'd be right if he didn't live in a world where psychic magic literally exists.

But i suppose hegemonic life in itself is pretty dull.
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I meant that it applies to real world more and more, that part caught me off-guard.
Pic unrel, just thought it fits for bananas quest.
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret
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>>5766956
>Keep the secret, in exchange for having a meal at our cafe
>"heh i must say it gave me quite the scare but thats just silly of me,"
>"will others stumble upon this and i wonder if they keep it a secret, or if they will destroy it"
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You really like this. Not just the mural itself; though its subject matter may have originally shocked you, just the idea of something like this, hidden away. Perhaps, in a way, you may be one of the first to have experienced it- the same sensation of wonder you felt was valuable to you. You wouldn't want to spoil that for others! Plus, Yino seems nice. He's an artist, and a good one, why wouldn't you agree?

”Mhmm. I won't tell anyone. Your secret is safe with me. One on condition...”

He frowns.

”...You have to come eat at my cafe!”

Then he smiles.

“Oh- alright! I was feeling a bit peckish. Though I wouldn't feel safe with my food around the 'thieves!”
”Oh, they get fed too often to really try to steal anything. In fact, I should probably start putting them in an exercise program.”
“So a cafe owner and a nut-thief coach? You have many talents.”
”Tehe! Not as talented as you; your art is great. I have some hanging up in my cafe, it's drab in comparison.”
“I've never seen a cafe like yours- but if you need decoration, I could donate a few pieces.”
”HUUH! Really?! That would be amazing!”

Your name is Vrrskr whose Mother is Anaei again. After having snubbed, or maybe been snubbed, by the Galax Mining Corporation's CEO over your shares of the space station- you have settled back into a new routine. Your business on the one side, and your new lover in your private life. You're surprised at how long it's been going on for- most female Leeray drop a baby and make men leave after a few months, maybe a year, but she's kept interest in you for a full year since you first hooked up and it's been intense ever since. She's been weirdly possessive too- in a good way. You're enjoying the flirting and the romance.

But even with all these positives in life- good wealth, sex, time to spare, you still feel a void growing.
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It isn't new, and has been there for a while. You know others feel it too. It isn't exactly sadness or even dissatisfaction, just moreso a feeling of emptiness or maybe longing. You have pretty much what every Leeray wants; those fourteen hour shifters, those low-budget freelancers, those privateers truckers going mad from boredom on long trips no self respecting spacer wants to take; and yet here you are- somehow not feeling satisfied with it all.

Is this all there is?

You lay back on your bed in your custom, high-budget private quarters on the space station, the patented paints on the wall you pay a few thousandths for for their stabilization and anti-stain technology- all this and it just feels like nothing to you. What's the point of this?

The only thing in your life that makes you happy now is seeing her. The intense sensation of her presence and sex- it fills you with a sense of peace. But the moment you're taken away from it, you go back to this ennui. Even now, you find it hard to think of it as anything but a distraction.

Is this all we do? Work, consume, fuck, die? Even if you have a child, which would just separate you from your lover, would it really change anything? You'd grow them up to become... what? Another version of you? Another one for the rat race? Your whole life, you've been obsessed with chasing status and temporary highs that make you feel like you're getting somewhere, but you're really just going in a circle.

You just want to get back to her. Maybe this time... you should tell her you love her.
>Tell her how you really feel
>Keep distant
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>>5768084
I gotta say, it can't be healthy to be so completely obsessed with only a girl and having nothin' in your life.
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>>5768087
Not in human psychology. But Leeray aren't human. On the other hand, for them it's probably a WORSE mindset to be in, since female Leeray are territorial, snu-snu cavewomen who chuck their menfolk out as soon as they're pregnant.

>>5768084
>Keep distant
Sigma grindset, bruh.
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>>5768084
>Tell her how you really feel
I look at this as a win regardless as this whole POV seems to be a solid lore dump about leeray culture, I know if we play this dude safe eventually he'll get to meet Jaxtian culture just through natural player interest, but at the same time we barely know this cat and Im pretty interested to see the outcome of Leeray power coupling, maybe she'll even forego reproduction altogether and unlock some tamed/feral version of the females which Leerays will use, or itll just be good nature doc footage for space attenborough to monologue over as he gets the old fashion mantis routine
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>>5768084
>>Tell her how you really feel
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>>5768084
>Tell her how you really feel

If that's how you feel, man, that's how you feel. If she feels the same, or doesn't... either way, better to know.
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>>5768084
>Tell her how you really feel
hmmm whats with the snout thing scar looking thing.
also we should look into what happened with the galax corp mining CORP they wanted to hire you for they seemed weirdly desperate for you wonder if something backfired for them
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>>5768084
>Tell her how you really feel
My human bias is definitely influencing the way I'm voting here.
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>>5768084
>>Tell her how you really feel
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>>5767274
Somewhat, sure, but they aren’t maintaining the system, just destroying it. Their actions aren’t sustainable- eventually it’ll burn itself out
>new secular and humanist morality
Rise, sure- but it’s to incoherent to make sense, and I honestly believe most of their sheeple would go become Capitalist Christian and sing their virtues so long as their tribe pushed it- it’s almost entirely tribal politics, nothing with any real moral backbone.
>corporations and the free market
I’d argue that corporations themselves aren’t free market- they’re more legalized entities of the state, and thus it’s in their interest to distort and regulate the market for their own gain. This is how Big Pharma operates- regulate the market so heavily with bullshit that you snuff out your competition, then get the government to bankroll research while maintaining sole rights to its profit. In a more freer market, competition would regulate the market like in Vanderbilt-Collins Steamboat Wars.
>but I'm more inclined to believe that real belief and honest fanaticism existed in masses
I am as well- you don’t get shit like the Münster rebellion without real belief and fanaticism.
>Countries like those are examples of systems that failed in converting their citizenry to something more amiable to them due to lacking the base for it
Isn’t the the same for the Solviets? The USSR balkanization is comparable to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
>noticeable amount of apathy
I think that’s more the consequences of modern urban population density and an atomized society than anything else- like, why would you care about the community if the community doesn’t care for you?
>it's nice to actually talk without it devolving into strawmans and ad-hominem
…We Scarecrows consider strawman to be a racial slur- I’m gonna have to report this hate incident to the Internetpol ;)
>I feel like the current events are more of a pressure-release valve than anything substantial or permanent
That’s why you gotta recapture the institutions and staff them with sensible people- at the bedrock, it’s always been a people problem. It may not be instantaneous, but a long march is often what works best. Remember, the key to success is perseverance- don’t be demoralized into inaction, that reaction is what they’re hoping for.
>Wow are we actually having a civil conversation on 4chan? Color me surprised.
I know, right? Clearly this is a glitch in the Matrix- I’m gonna have to supply the strawmen to rectify the situation :V
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>>5768084
>Tell her how you really feel
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>>5768084
>Keep distant

Go to the gym mate, read a book

Gotta improve yourself and not rely on others for happiness
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>>5768084
>Tell her how you really feel
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You've been visiting your lover more often now; and the next time you go down, you decide you want to tell her how you really feel.

Female Leraay aren't especially emotional; their interest in the relationship is almost purely physical. But even then, they are still biologically driven towards their partners- and with how close you feel to her, you figure she'd be willing to become vulnerable. This is even moreso due to how she hasn't lost interest in you yet- most female Leraay have a few males in their harems, rotating between them before they get tired of one, dropping a baby and sending them off. But in your case, you haven't shared her with any other men since you got together. Maybe this... maybe this can fill the void you feel.

You tromp to her house on her reserve again, greet her as she sniffs you all over, not lasting long before your clothes are off again. She enjoys using her body again- and in your post coital bliss you decide to tell her- and pop a question burning on your mind.

”Mommy... can I ask you something?”
“Mhmm? Ok lil' boy. What is your ask?”
”...Why haven't you given me a baby yet? Do you think I'd be a bad Daddy?”

It isn't a matter of biology or timing. You know she has multiple fertilized ovum in her womb, from yourself or other males who have slept with her recently, which could be implanted and rapidly grown after just a few short months. This was by her own choice.

“Urh... little boy ask hard question.”
”Hmm?”
“You... my favorite boy I ever have. If I give you baby... you will leave. And then I'll never see you or smell you or touch you or be with you again. I don't want you leave...”

You look up into her eyes and realize she feels the same way as you. You're delighted and cuddle close.

”I love you, Mommy. Truly!”
“My favorite boy! I and love you!”

Yay!!!! <3
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Later that night, in the height of the passion, you feel your instincts acting up. Instead of cowering and submitting, you begin to push back against her hips- showing you your love. It's beyond the sexual- but this is the closet you can be with her.

”Mommy... I love you mommy! Squeeze me good Mommy! Thank you- Thank you! Thank-”

Your lover leans forward and aggressive puts her mating clamps around your next- tightly squeezing your neck in the most vulnerable space- your body instantly goes limp from the reflex- the same place kittens are held as they are carried. The sensation of fear and anxiety which would normally creep up your spine seems strangely absent.

”Y-Yes! Yes, take me Mommy! I love you! I'm all yours! I love you! Take me!

She bites down hard- severing your spine and cracking the vital bones at the base of your neck- the briefest instant of pain spikes through you before being replaced with nothing but the purest sense of pleasure as your brain is flooded with death hormones- the predatory female claiming your life now.

Below you, your penis ejaculates every drop of your seed into her waiting womb- being absorbed into its depths, as your spent physical body gives off all of its energy on this final impregnation. Her body greedily begins its synthesis of sperm and egg in overdrive at this final gift- the gift of your entire body, which she will consume, bones and all, which will fuel her for many days. Despite its unorthodox nature; your death will all but guarantee your reproductive success- not only will she be readying multiple fetuses inside of her all that all belong to you, one by one, to pawn off to other males- which is the norm for your species given the uncertain paternity of your female's offspring, but when she consumes your flesh and organs your antibodies and genetic code will permanently merge with her own, attacking future zygotes that stray too far from your own genome.

As for yourself- your final moments of life are in the embrace of your lover, your brain hard-wired to feel only pleasure as the hallucinogenic hormones in your brain are released, feeling nothing but the endless pink warmth before and behind you. The lack of oxygen to your brain is killing you- but you feel warm and safe and secure in your grasp- a willing and happy sacrifice to your one true love. You spent your life trying to find a meaning, to fill the void, but in the end- filling a stomach was all you had to do...
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Hey everyone, thank you for playing this sidestory of Space Monke Quest! I was doing something unique here- a rotating cast of characters with small, compact stories with a brisker pace compared to previous sidestories. I also got to flesh out the world and lore a lot more, and glad we could get everyone up to speed on stuff going on. I know it was short- but it was meant to be a fun refresher, hope you liked it.

In lieu of writing my normal three questions; I'm more interested in answering some of your questions you might have instead. If you're interested, I'd prefer questions relating to lore or artistic stuff, inspirations, etc. over plot events in the future since it may be covered at a later time. Anyway, stay tuned! Space Monke Quest will continue with a proper thread #10 sometime next year. Thanks again!
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>>5769125
You know, it's not even the disgusting bioology? It's the mommyfaggotry that's disgusting the most. Hate that garbage.

As for a question...i'd like to learn more about Esaal society, given how familiar they are to us. From what's been told, they basically seem to be some mix between Military Junta and Starship Troopers. But we know they also have aliens under their control.
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>>5769124
honestly he would never have left her is the thing if she gave him a baby if she would not push him away also so its just sad
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>>5769124
I think that it's a happy ending, anything else is probably fleeting for a Leeroy.
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>>5769297
Honestly, if a "happy ending" for a Leeray is cannibalism, then i won't feel bad about genociding them.

I mean it's not like we have anything else to lose.
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>>5769125
Where is this quest going? Is it going to reach a conclusion at some point or just go on until you decide to end it? Is there a conclusion you have in mind already, or is everything just written when its written?
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>>5769308
And when I say “where is this going” I mean it in more of a “at what pace is it moving”, because there’s been a lot of side content.
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Archive link- https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5752107/

>>5769132
Esaal are going to be fleshed out more later. Their society is also loosely based on pigs or pig-style orcs which I read about on /tg/ one time that I quite liked. Their "core" are the females, children, juvenile males, and elder males where as their adult males go out in large groups and basically do the military stuff, keeping separate except rarely for coupling purposes. They are pretty stupid as a whole but it's mostly by choice. Their philosophy is something I'm very excited to explore.

Here's some more info that was already given in thread #8 about their evolutionary background- https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5476181/#p5482526

>>5769308
>>5769311
Ending is planned. End game will be foreshadowed long in advance (Cyte). No absolute number of threads, but I gave the option in the direction-vote to end it faster since somebody mentioned it in the qtg. Not sure what you mean by “a lot of side content” considering there has been 9 main threads and only three sidestories now, most of which feed back to the main thread, but I do agree the pace has slowed significantly. Partially because I was taking this year off.
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>>5769786
>End game will be foreshadowed long in advance (Cyte)
Does this mean the Cyte is the End game, or that the foreshadowing of the End game will be similar to that of the Cyte?
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>Oneir survives and Jemma gets her dream job and Yino's friendship.
>We feel hope again.
>Vrrskr feels ennui and wants to tell his mate he loves her.
>With optimism in our hearts, we encourage him to it.
>His girlfriend cannibalises him in a praying mantis mating ritual and he lets her.

I do not understand. Is this punishment?
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>>5769793
Pretty typical love story.
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>eventually it’ll burn itself out
The Romans burned themselves out from being unsustainable, but I'd rather not have 1000 years of ESG. They've been destroying the current system and replacing it with their own. Again any major opposition gets countered, since even the moral framework used by their enemies is theirs (they make the rules for the game and win using them).
>incoherence and sheeple
They are on the verge of creating a formalized structure (already it has its framework). And the masses will generally follow whatever gives them security or happiness.
>corporations themselves aren’t free market
Corporations can only thrive and act as they do with the base structure of a free market economy. At this rate one would need the intervention of the state to cull them, which companies already have too much influence over.
I think there should be a change in the way of thinking. State power, much like guns, is only a tool. It's not inherently evil and has been used by all factions in the economic/political spectrum to secure their ideology (the Church, Capitalists, Socialists, etc). Even Anarchists use it for their own interests, as paradoxical as it sounds speaking of that, I want to add that while foreign actors were indeed a component of demoralization in the West, I failed to mention that the modern progressive faction (and concepts like the ESG) was created by the West itself to fight Soviet/authoritarian leftist influence, the most famous examples being the COINTELPRO projects.
>Vanderbilt-Collins Steamboat Wars
I've heard of this one before, and it doesn't really make much sense why it's used as an argument for the free market. This entire exchange exists within the scope of the American nation, and assumes permanent comparative advantages within the country's markets rather than the modern absolute advantages that are sought after internationally in free trade (which often act in an economically destructive way for their home country). I mean the Consortium is corporate domination over the state if I'm understanding it correctly, and they seem to struggle with nihilism and directionlessness. Compared to the Hegemony, who are also nihilistic but have clear social directions.
>USSR fall comparable to Austria-Hungary's
I'd argue that while the fall of Austria-Hungary was far more instant and violent, the Soviet fall caused destruction and a vacuum that can be felt to this day. There is a sense of Soviet nostalgia in Russia, but communism has mostly been replaced by the Church as something that's amiable to the modern Russian state.
>community
I think our arguments are the similar here, except we're using different scopes.
>str*wman with a hard n
Very interesting. However I have now depicted myself as a 'chad' using this image, therefore I win.
>recapture the institutions
I completely agree with this sentiment.
>glitch in the matrix
YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE! I HATE THE ANTI-CHRIST!
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>>5769125
How much time does it usually take to draw one of your pics? Sorry if this has been asked before.

>>5769793
I blame us thinking in human centric terms.
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>>5769793
He got what he wanted.

>>5769883
>I blame us thinking in human centric terms.
This anon gets it.

>>5769303
He died in a state of bliss with the woman (well... she-creature) he loved, became one with her on a fundamental biological level, and left a lasting genetic legacy. it's not what I would want, but I'm also not part of a super-dimorphic race of skinsuit-wearing cat-hyenas or whatever. Aliens are alien.
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>>5769125
Thanks for the quest, Bananas.

Can't wait to learn what happened to the Seeker (and our own two starsighting monkeys; I still hope they're alive in the metaphorical space all the sighting able people went)
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>>5769125
I would ask about the other two races originally depicted in the consortium's introduction - the green dogs and the purple insectile things. Will we be meeting both of these in time, or with the vastness of the consortium do these two 'prime' consortium species operate far away in different regions of space outside of the current Jaxtian scope - or have they even fallen since the consortium was introduced?
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I recall in a previous thread, the boys and girls one I think, a campaign to purge Leeray spies from the Hegemony takes place and one is dragged out of a bedroom with a half-naked Jaxtian girl looking from all shocked saying "But he was such a gentleman!"
Kinda wonder how he didn't get found out sooner, seducing Jaxtians.

Hey, was Sigmund Freud secretly a Leeray?

I think in regards to inspiration, I would like to know what they are for the different aliens, their biologies, as well as the ones for the different sci-fi twists that appear from time to time (Azurium ships, the Life Machine, starsight, partially-metaphysical worms that grow in space whale and can only eat live prey, etc.)
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>>5770114
>Kinda wonder how he didn't get found out sooner, seducing Jaxtians.
They had some very fancy disguise suits, right?
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>>5769940
You've seen the "purple insectoid things" a couple of times now. They've got their own thing going on, but they're a core Consortium species.
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>>5770629
Oh, they're Elephant-heads. I feel daft now. Thank you for showing them, though.
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>>5770629
Also, is the societal acceptance that 'you may be eaten by a lover' part of the reason that the Leeray are so highly placed within the consortium? When being devoured is an accepted risk of mating (and one that near secures your own genetic success), getting a few males eaten by the worms for species success is just the same concept upon a grander scale. Heck, the worms might even present it as a 'ritual of love' for the Leeray to thank their benefactors.
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>>5771199
Huh, a very interesting theory.
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>>5769883
>How much time does it usually take to draw one of your pics?
Sorry I skipped over this one. Honestly it just depends on the update. Most pictures that are one or two panel are the fastest; but the pictures that "look" the best probably had the most work put into them. Sometimes I can crank a simple two character talking pic in like 10 to 15 minutes, so i use these as filler sometimes. Like the first look at the Great cityscape took a really long time, the one with Allsals choking to death on Xin before it was terraformed took a really long time too.

>>5770114
I genuinely don't know where my inspirations come from sometimes. Most races are based on some animal or combination of animals I think are cool. The Hazaar are bedbugs, for example, with random sci-fi elements sprinkled in. The worms are more symbolic. Other things, like Auzurium, is my desire to put in 4x game mechanics into the quest, like having strategic resources that can't be replicated and you have methods of knowing where they are. (Combined with autism; all strategic resources have been introduced Alphabetically, for example). Actually Azurium was directly taken from Endless Space/Legend's Titanium resource, which is this really nice blue color, but not rare or special enough to be a "strategic" resource in a space game in my opinion.

>>5771199
>>5771339
That's part of it. Leraay are also less aggressive/dominant then males of most species, which means they act as a good intermediary that can appeal to basically everyone as diplomats. They're the core Consortium race for this reason.
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>>5753755
It's been so long..what was stv?
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>>5763675
Jesus fucking Christ
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>>5766343
I would disagree with assessing ESG as "progressivism" it's just a facade of justice over a fundamentally retrograde system.
It's "The Next drone will be sent by a Black guy" type of bullshit
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>>5769125
What would’ve happened had we voted to join the CEO?

>>5769212
Indeed

>>5769297
>>5769303
I mean, is it? I think he just chose a shit waifu personally.

>>5769793
Yes, it definitely feels like it.

>>5769883
>>5769895
I mean, this literally could be an extreme case like podboy. Like, the space police could be knocking down her door any minute because a significant middle manager went missing.

>>5771199
I think it’s a mix of death tolerance, the correct mix of ambitious and subservient, and the fact that the Worms can manipulate their society with ease. Also, the Leery probably have the same worldview as the Worm, and the Worms probably get a kick outta abusing their morals in exchange for political power, so the Leery are probably favored among the Worms naturally.
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>>5772722
>I think he just chose a shit waifu personally.
Given that's how his biology works, i doubt it. I mean, don't they even say that they basically just pass off the children to some other leeray male to raise?
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>>5772765
i think it was meant as a happy ending with the settings grimdark twist
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>>5772783
"Happy ending" for his species, yes. Because they are a horrible species.
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>>5772537
Sworn to Valor was a different quest, which I guess had vote-rigging problems. In this quest's context, I guess it could be Sunshine to Val

>>5772722
>I mean, this literally could be an extreme case like podboy. Like, the space police could be knocking down her door any minute because a significant middle manager went missing.
The narrative implies that,a s he's dying, he understands exactly what is happening, why and what benefits he will glean from it. That to me implies this happens often enough to be well-documented and somewhat accepted, which meshes with everything else we've seen of Leeray females.

>>5772792
Leeray males seem like alright guys. Their females are just ogres is all.
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>>5772799
>Leeray males seem like alright guys
They're submissive mommyfags.
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>>5772801
>Submissive to only 1 female who literally controls whether they live or die
>The leeray we were shown actively didnt want to be pushed around by some big money because hes not gonna be pushed around by someone who isnt his mommy
Seems to me like a single female Leeray could have a veritable army of hardened drones that will follow orders to a T if she can control her biting
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>>5772801
And? I'm not looking to fuck one of them. I don't care what their F-list tags are.
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>>5772844
>And
And such a fact is pretty disgusting. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to associate with that kind of person.
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>>5772848
cope seethe mald.

Our bro is in mommydommy heaven now .

F
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>>5772801
>>5772848
You can look at a typical female who likes to be dominated and call her partner "Daddy" and is obsessed with dangerous male serial killers, and everyone is fine.

But you reverse the sexes... and everyone loses their fucking mind.
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>>5773150
>everyone is fine
Uh...you ever hear of "Don't stick your dick in crazy"?
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No, she calls him "Mr. J."
If Vrrskr had called her Mr. J, all of this would have been perfectly fine.

One big question that intrigues me is, when entwring the secret caves with the survelleince equipement, how was tapping it going to allow us to go back and change a previous decision in the story?

And is giving Akule a more dignified origin story still on the table?
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>>5773547
Let sleeping dogs lie.
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>>5773547
I do find it amusing that the larger-than-life myth of Akule was just centuries of propaganda, and the girl Akule was a pathetic piece of shit.

A sort fo Jebediah Springfield type of thing.
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>>5774213
>I do find it amusing that the larger-than-life myth of Akule was just centuries of propaganda
Not really? He did all the stuff he was said to do. The genocide, the estabilishment of the hegemony, etc.

It's just that he wasn't really impressive before he did it.
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>>5774214
Yeah fair point. Its more Annakin Skywalker than Sprungfield.
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>>5774213
>girl Akule

Autocorrect strikes again.
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>>5774841
Oh yeah, did we ever get to see who the hell was Akule's wife anyway? At least the main one, because we know the Naonae bloodline continued into the [XX]th Millenia
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>>5774841
Kek
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>>5774841
>This is unspeakable
I laughed

Someone should crop that
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>>5774841
Just wanted to say, thanks for the fan art. This (and the other one with the Leeray) were really cute.
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Thank you for the adventure that inspired it, good sir, Bananas, sir.



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