>>5630121
>>head along the nile
We will be kangs

oh yeah, quick note
this decision is the FIRST stop in your migration, not your final destination

>>5630121
>cross into arabia

>>5630121
>head along the nile
I have absolutely no idea what I’m doing.

>>5630121
Nile -> Europe
Arabia -> Asia
Congo -> Africa?
If so, then I have to say that the Carpathians are a lovely place to start a civilization.
>>head along the nile

>>5630121
>head along the nile

>>5630199
>>5630197
>>5630153
>>5630124
Your tribe along with several others, leave behind the Serengeti from whence they came and spread into all four corners of a world yet to be explored by your kind.

Following the course of the Nile, you end up in the fertile crescent and thrive along other tribes of your kin, but also the native Neanderthal populations.

As the glaciers expand, the steppes of North and Central Asia start teeming with life, Africa enters a new humid period, and Europe becomes more hostile.

in this time your people...
>seek out the Sahara
>travel to the Ganges
>migrate to Siberia

>>5630227
>migrate to Siberia
Lovely this time of year

>>5630227
>seek out the Sahara
I still have no idea what I’m doing.

>>5630248
just follow your heart anon

>>5630227
>>migrate to Siberia
>migrate to Siberia
You guys thinking what I am thinking?

going to bed, I'll update in 8-10 hours from now

>>5630265
Goodnight QM.

>>5630227
>migrate to Siberia

>>5630227
>travel to the Ganges
The first thing we'll say is namaste

>>5630227
>Travel to the ganges

Being next to a river is great we can use it for irrigation

>>5630227
>>migrate to Siberia

And then Europe, I suppose

>>5630227
>travel to the Ganges
Hopefully we can develop toilet technology in this timeline.

>>5630627
>>5630335
>>5630264
>>5630229
Leaving behind the fertile crescent, you follow the herds of Mammoths to Siberia by yourselves. No other tribe follows you when everything they want is already here.

Neanderthals and Denisovans are already there, but they, just like you, are populations on the fringe of their respective ranges.

Though disagreements with one another often result in war, by and large your population thrives in the cold, wet climate.

Earth's temperatures continue to drop, Mammoth populations are declining, your kin begin migrating from Africa en-masse, Neanderthals and Denisovans are on their way to extinction.
It is the dawn of the Upper Paleolithic, and the Holocene.

>return to the Fertile Crescent
>enter China
>claim Kamchatka
>leave for the Indus
>brave Europe

>>5630835
>Enter China

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>>5630835
>>claim Kamchatka
Had to look up where that is.

>>5630835
>claim Kamchatka

>>5630835
>>brave Europe

>no hyperborea option

You disappoint me

>>5630835
>claim Kamchatka
Ideally the history of the ship named after the place that will come thousands of years later won't follow us.

>>5630835
>brave Europe
It could be a good idea, dropping off some genes here in our Race-wide jog

>>5630835
>claim Kamchatka
Pretty nice place and we can expand in the Americas

>>5630835
>brave Europe

>>5630835
>claim Kamchatka
We First Nations now. I wonder if we can find a way to domesticate a beast of burden this time?

>>5631286
>>5631181
>>5631107
>>5630994
>>5630970
Migrating ever further east, you eventually find yourselves in the vast taiga of Beringia, where game is plentiful and no one is there to compete with you over it.
It is a peaceful existence.

Though Beringia is vast, its riches begin to dwindle as every generation more and more plants die, Mammoths leave the area, and the land freezes over.

A glacial maximum is rapidly approaching, Neanderthals have been driven to Western Europe and Denisovans are nearing extinction.
Mankind has claimed most of the old world for itself, but its hold is not yet consolidated.

>retreat to Japan
>flee to China
>escape to Korea
>return to Siberia
>migrate to North America

>>5631370
>migrate to North America
I think it's time.

>>5631370
>migrate to North America

>>5631370
>>retreat to Japan

>>5631370
Flee to china

>>5631370
>migrate to North America

>>5631370
>migrate to North America

>>5631476
>>5631467
>>5631411
>>5631396
Your tribe keeps chasing the game wherever it may leave toward, though you cannot reside in these areas for long, as the biting cold and encroaching glaciers keep pushing you further into the continent.

In the largest migratory push yet, you reach the Central steppes of North America.

The glacial maximum has arrived. All other human races have gone extinct, Dogs have begun to be domesticated, and the Americas will remain cut off from the rest of the world for the next twenty-thousand years.

>inhabit the Woods (west)
>populate the Forests (east)
>remain in the Steppes (midwest)
>claim the Grasslands (mexico)
>discover South America

>>5631370
>Migrate to north america
I hope to god we find beasts of burden, like a horse or something

>>5631535
>populate the Forests (east)

There are more resources in the east, IIRC. Also the Great Lakes!

>>5631535
>claim the grasslands (mexico)
Yeah, I think it's cornmaxxing time

>>5631538
There were horses in the Americas, they just died out since the natives hunted them to extinction.

>>5631535
>claim the Grasslands (mexico)

>populate the Forests (east)

>>5631576
>>5631597
I'd have to argue against Mexico. We've stayed mostly in colder regions since leaving Africa, we're likely to thrive in something similar.

I mean, at this point in time Mexico is a dry grassland, but it'll get a good bit warmer once the ice recedes.

>>5631535
>populate the Forests (east)
Fun fact, there's evidence of large scale copper mining done by the amerindians dating as far back as the bronze age if not farther.

What do these tribes look like do they look Scythian? or more Asian?

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Like this?

Steppe.

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>>5631691
Forgot pic lmao.

>>5631535
>populate the Forests (east)

Better keep those horses alive

>populate the forests
If we go east we'll have a coast to fish in, Woods to gather building material in, and mountains close by to mine metals from

>>5631535
>>populate the Forests (east)
Remember guys, if some dudes in funny hats show up around the middle of our range kill them all on sight. The Northerners can stick around though.

>>5631893
>>5631742
>>5631695
>>5631672
>>5631602
>>5631561
With the migration into your permanent habitation range, you have achieved a stable population and become true natives.

Direwolves have started to be domesticated across the continent, and a sustainable hunting rhythm for various animals established by the tribes of the new world.

With the end of the glacial maximum, the World is quickly entering a new Interglacial period, temperatures are climbing, biomes are shifting, mass extinctions occur and a renewed wave of large-scale human migration begins.

New tribes have come to the Americas from the far north and the eastern sea, finding peoples bearing various eccentricities.

pick TWO (2) from EACH, duplicate picks will be lost

>Endurance traits I (Nile)
>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Gathering traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]
>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>Neanderthal admixture (Siberia)
>Extreme Neanderthal admixture (Siberia) [Requires admixture]
>Social traits II (Siberia) [Required social I]
>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]
>Hunting traits I (Siberia)
>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]
>Cold adaptation I (Siberia)

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Cold adaptation II (Kamchatka) [Requires cold I]
>Cold adaptation I (Kamchatka)
>Social traits II (Kamchatka) [Requires social I]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>Hunting traits IV (Steppes) [Requires hunting III]
>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>Endurance traits II (Steppes) [Requires endurance I]
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Hunting traits V (Forest) [Requires hunting IV]
>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Conservative traits (Forest)
>Isolation traits (Forest)

I'll be gone for the entire day, you have 30 hours to figure this out

>>5632021
>>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>>Social traits I (Nile)

>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]
>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Cold adaptation I (Kamchatka)

>Hunting traits IV (Steppes) [Requires hunting III]
>Endurance traits I (Steppes)

>Hunting traits V (Forest) [Requires hunting IV]
>Intellectual traits (Forest)
I think I did this right.

>>5632059
you are correct, that's the how the choices are meant function

>>5632021
>Social traits I (Nile)
>Hunting traits I (Nile)

>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]
>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)

>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]
>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Hunting traits V (Forest) [Requires hunting IV]
>Intellectual traits (Forest)

All in on hunting and society

>>5632071
I accidently mixed Kamchtka and Steppes

>Social traits I (Nile)
>Hunting traits I (Nile)

>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]
>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)

>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]
>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>Hunting traits IV (Steppes) [Requires hunting III]
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Hunting traits V (Forest) [Requires hunting IV]
>Intellectual traits (Forest)

just before I'm off, I'll contribute my own favorites

>Endurance I (Nile)
>Social I (Nile)

>Neanderthal admixture (FC)
>Social II (FC)

>Extreme Neanderthal (Siberia)
>Social III (Siberia)

>Cold I (Kamchatka)
>Cold II (Kamchatka)

>Endurance II (Steppes)
>Religious (Steppes)

>Intellectual (Forest)
>Isolation (Forest)

>>5632021
>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]
>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)

>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]
>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>Hunting traits IV (Steppes) [Requires hunting III]
>Endurance traits I (Steppes)

>Hunting traits V (Forest) [Requires hunting IV]
>Intellectual traits (Forest)

>>5632021
>Endurance traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent)
>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)

>Hunting traits I (Siberia)
>Neanderthal admixture (Siberia)

>Speed traits (Kamchatka)
>Cold adaptation I (Kamchatka)

>Endurance traits II (Steppes) [Requires endurance I]
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Isolation traits (Forest)
>Intellectual traits (Forest)

>>5632085
>>5632075
Do we really need the five in hunting though? We'll produce plenty of food through agriculture eventually, so it seems like a waste to cap.

And I'd argue for getting a cold adaptation since most of the land is currently very chilly at this point in history

>>5632102
Agriculture is for the weak.

>>5632107
But we need it to form a lasting society, though

>>5632083

Plus 1

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>>5632021
>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Gathering traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]

>Neanderthal admixture (Siberia)
>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Extreme Neanderthal admixture (Siberia) [Requires admixture]

>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Isolation traits (Forest)

I'm unsure about how different cold adaptation is with Neanderthal admixture, since from what I understand Neanderthals are adapted towards cold weather climates. I chose to go with Neanderthal admixture since that also gives a forest and meat eating adaptation and we only had one chance of improving our gathering instead of the multiple chances of improving our hunting.

>>5632118
Not necessarily, though we are on the wrong coast to try to make large permanent villages using only hunting and gathering methods.

>>5632021
>>5632210
Changing my steppe choices to
>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>Endurance traits II (Steppes) [Requires endurance I]
I didn't realize we could upgrade an aspect twice in the same area. Also does that eastern sea bit mean that the thule landbridge is confirmed?

>>5632021
>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]
>Social traits II (Siberia) [Required social I]

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Conservative traits (Forest)

>Captcha
DGGMS

What will Neanderthal mixture mean/do?

Total tally so far

NILE
hunting (I) 7
social (I) 8
endurance (I) 3

FC
social (II) 8
neanderthal (I) 5
art 4
gathering 1

SIBERIA
social (III) 5
hunting (I) 1
hunting (II) 5
neanderthal (II) 3

KAMCHATKA
hunting (III) 5
speed 3
cold (I) 4
cold (II) 2

STEPPES
endurance (I) 4
endurance (II) 4
religious 6
hunting (IV) 3

FOREST
hunting (V) 3
intellectual 8
conservative 1
isolation 4

>>5632210
one of your entries in the kamchatka phase is missing / you have 3 siberia entries, one of which is invalid, please fix

>>5632457
all of these traits are a secret, anon, don't want you to metagame
but rest assured ALL of them are unequivocally based for hunter-gatherers

one thing I will say, the only people alive IRL today who don't have any neanderthal genes, are sub-saharan Africans
the purest specimen of our species :)

>Endurance traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)
>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)
>Extreme Neanderthal admixture (Siberia) [Requires admixture]
>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)
>Cold adaptation I (Kamchatka)
>Endurance traits II (Steppes) [Requires endurance I]
>Religious traits (Steppes)
>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Conservative traits (Forest)

>>5632493
Don't know if I did this right.

>>5632493
I support this set, isolation can be dealt with at a later date

>>5632021
>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Gathering traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>Extreme Neanderthal admixture (Siberia) [Requires admixture]
>Cold adaptation I (Siberia)

>Social traits II (Kamchatka) [Requires social I]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>Endurance traits II (Steppes) [Requires endurance I]

>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Isolation traits (Forest)

>>5632478
I'll change it to:
>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Gathering traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]
>Cold adaptation I (Siberia)

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Cold adaptation II (Kamchatka) [Requires cold I]

>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>Endurance traits II (Steppes) [Requires endurance I]

>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Isolation traits (Forest)

>>5632665
I thought social and environment adaption would be a good idea.

>>5632021
>Endurance traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>Extreme Neanderthal admixture (Siberia) [Requires admixture]
>Hunting traits I (Siberia)

>Social traits II (Kamchatka) [Requires social I]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>Endurance traits II (Steppes) [Requires endurance I]
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Isolation traits (Forest)

I'm picking intellectual and isolation, so that we can demonstrate the dream in fictions of a blossomed isolated "valley".

>>5632021
>>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>>Social traits I (Nile)

>>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]
>>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>>Extreme Neanderthal admixture (Siberia) [Requires admixture]
>>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]

>>Cold adaptation I (Kamchatka)
>>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>>Religious traits (Steppes)

>>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>>Conservative traits (Forest)

>>5632021
>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>Social traits I (Nile)

>Art traits (Fertile Crescent)
>Neanderthal admixture (Fertile Crescent)

>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]
>Social traits II (Siberia) [Required social I]

>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>Endurance traits I (Steppes)
>Religious traits (Steppes)

>Intellectual traits (Forest)
>Conservative traits (Forest)
I'll be honest lads you guys chose hard mode America fucking sucks for civilization, but I wouldn't have it any other way

>>5633022
Guy over here is correct, It sucks. We need to look for iron and harder materials earlier. Being conservative might be a bad idea, we're gonna need to be really ambitious to not get hard locked into the stone age.

>>5632021
>>Hunting traits I (Nile)
>>Social traits I (Nile)

>>Gathering traits (Fertile Crescent)
>>Social traits II (Fertile Crescent) [Requires social I]

>>Social traits III (Siberia) [Requires social II]
>>Hunting traits II (Siberia) [Requires hunting I]

>>Hunting traits III (Kamchatka) [Requires hunting II]
>>Speed traits (Kamchatka)

>>Hunting traits IV (Steppes) [Requires hunting III]
>>Endurance traits I (Steppes)

>>Hunting traits V (Forest) [Requires hunting IV]
>>Intellectual traits (Forest)

Final tally and results

NILE
hunting (I) 9 WINNER
social (I) 15 WINNER
endurance (I) 6 carried

FC
social (II) 10 WINNER
neanderthal (I) 11 WINNER
art 6
gathering 3

SIBERIA
cold (I) 2 carried
social (II) 2
social (III) 9 WINNER
hunting (I) 2
hunting (II) 7 TIE
neanderthal (I) 1
neanderthal (II) 7 TIE

KAMCHATKA
hunting (III) 7
speed 11 WINNER
cold (I) 7 WINNER (+2)
cold (II) 3
social (II) 2

STEPPES
endurance (I) 8 WINNER (+6)
endurance (II) 8
religious 10 WINNER
hunting (IV) 4

FOREST
hunting (V) 4
intellectual 15 WINNER
conservative 5
isolation 6 WINNER

These are the traits of your people

Hunting traits 1 --> Hunting traits 1.5
Social traits 1 --> Social traits 2 --> Social traits 3
Neanderthal Admixture --> Major Neanderthal Admixture
Speed traits
Cold Adaptation 1
Endurance traits 1
Religious traits
Intellectual traits
Isolation traits

>>5632059
>>5632075
>>5632083
>>5632085
>>5632099
>>5632208
>>5632323
>>5632493
>>5632665
>>5632668
>>5632685
>>5632709
>>5632813
>>5633022
>>5633134
Intimidated by the impressive physique of the natives, the new arrivals have chosen to inhabit the regions left largely empty by your tribe and its relatives.
The northerners come populate the deserts and mountains, and cold western coasts, whereas the easterners find their hunting grounds along the east coast, on the beaches, away from the forests.

Some of the new tribes resemble the resident ones, albeit smaller and weaker, whereas others are chubby and dark skinned.

As the earth continues to heat up, Beringia and the Grand Banks sink into the sea, leaving America cut off once again.
Holy sites, gathering places and temporary settlements begin to crop up all over the globe as hunter-gatherers begin seeding plants to substitute their seasonal diets, significantly decreasing their migration ranges.
It is the dawn of the Neolithic and the Agricultural Revolution.

What type of structure will the forest tribes erect?

Pick ONE (1)
>A Seasonal City
>A Star Chart
>Burial Mounds
>A Ritual Calendar
>A Temple Complex
>Deity Statues

What is a seasonal city?

>>5633233
>A Temple Complex

>>5633233
>A Seasonal City

We'd need to get the basics going first, but afterwards we can look for more permanent solutions.

>>5633233
>>A Seasonal City

>>5633238
exactly what it sounds like
it's a city that's only inhabited during harvest season

>>5633247
I guess having a city sometimes is better than never having a city

>>5633233
>>A Seasonal City
Not as impressive or awe inspiring as the other options but it's a start
Does Major Neanderthal admixture give us more Neanderthal DNA than asians or are we about equal?
And on the topic of beasts of burden, there was a Llamid species inhabiting parts of North America before early hinter gatherers wiped them out, would they still be around or would we or the others have already killed them?

>>5633251
it might be still alive, but more importantly, there are horses here

also, everyone with admixture alive in this current era has 2-4 times more neanderthal in them than anyone alive today, and Major admixture constitutes twice that
Extreme would have been 3 times

So you are currently looking at 18% neanderthal DNA

>>5633233
>A Seasonal City
Seems quite practical, and could lead into the others eventually

>There are horses here
Oh shit they haven't been wiped out yet. We need to domesticate them ASAP.

>>5633233
>>A Seasonal City

>>5633233
>A Seasonal City

>A Seasonal City

>>5633251

Support

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>>5633240
>>5633241
>>5633251
>>5633263
>>5633287
>>5633307
>>5633342
>>5633348
Your people have taken it upon themselves to construct a magnificent city of megaliths, sourced from Appalachian rocks, where they may reside in the autumn months and live off the squash and berries they've grown.

With the glaciers receding, enormous lakes begin to form north of the eastern forests, the steppes turn into grasslands, and the western woods are giving way to desert.
The woodland tribes are forced to migrate beyond the mountains which the northern tribes seek to move into.
Tribes from the south start appearing at the edge of the grasslands, and with them a strange new crop.

In the meantime however, your tribe is getting used to living with their city, and the tribes neighboring it.

Where exactly is it located?
>near the former steppes
>near the southern coast
>near the new lakes
>at the foot of the mountains
>atop the mountains
>near the eastern coast

Also, here's a comparison of the peoples in the americas to a normal human

>>5633355
>at the foot of the mountains

>>5633355
>>at the foot of the mountains
Easier access to metal ores and stone I guess?

>>5633355
>near the new lakes

>>5633355
>>near the new lakes
Turning the great lakes into a sort of American Mediterranean is probably our best shot at some type of greater trade network. There are also copper deposits nearby, though Tin is quite far

>>5633355
OP I think you've gotten East and West mixed up. New York and Appalachia is East and Los Angeles and the Rockies are West.
Also
>at the foot of the mountains

>>5633365
I assure you everything is correct
do tell me what gave you that impression tho

>>5633355
>near the new lakes
Best soil, navigable waterways and metal resources

>>5633370
I will just say it out loud, the guys in the east are black.

>at the foot of the mountains

>>5633398
yes, and they're also blonde and blue-eyed
temperatecels be seething over coldmaxxing arctic chads

>>5633355
>near the new lakes
Michi-Gander

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before I go to bed, here's a quick comparison of migration routes

Red is our tribe
Blue are the eastern tribe
Green are glacial borders

if you're still confused why they're brown, I remind you, eskimos are darkies too, hunter-gatherer europeans were brown, and it was found that some neanderthal populations were also dark-skinned
cold does not equal white by default

>>5633427
Imagine walking and freezing along a glacier when you could've enjoyed the scenic sites of Beringia. Sad!

https://www.fox19.com/2022/01/18/oldest-modern-human-remains-older-than-previously-estimated-new-research-says/

In 1960s Omo1 was found estimated at 200,000 years old

Then around 2019 a piece of bones was found in Greece estimated to be of a modern human but older then Omo1

Then a year ago they revised how old Omo1 is to make it just a bit older then the Greek find.

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>>5633580
Sorry if I go off topic for this stuff.
This isn't the infographic but I think it's from the same authors.

Yellow= Zlaty Kun (the first expansion that left Modern descendants)
Red = IUP (initial upper Paleolithic) characterized by Bacho Kiro in Europe and Tianyuan in East Eurasia
Blue= UP (upper Paleolithic) characterised by Kostenki and Sunghir

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Just because the theory has been adjusted due to new dna evidence. That does not mean the steppe theory as a how is invalid.

Yes the Yamnaya did not make it to Western Europe but their genetic and cultural brother did (Corded Ware).

Yamnaya and Corded Ware are brothers who share archeological connections to Sredny Stog. It also looks like they will share a genetic connection as well (when the samples are published). There is no other culture than Sredny Stog which fits better as the homeland.

>>5633427
Personally I think you are incorrect about the out of Africa theory as there does seem to be a lot if not enough evidence that can show that Europeans evolved in modern day Ukraine and then later migrated west as the Corded ware culture.

Also I would like to let you know that I don't do this out of badness I just think differently and have a different opinion and thought it best to lay that out. I hope you do not take offence.

>>5633588
>>5633591

I am in your camp as well anon, however, QM did stare that this is alt history, therefore out of Africa is legitimate.

>>5633355
>>near the new lakes

American Mediterranean here we go

>>5633591
my guy, you're playing an alt history quest with its mission statement being "discover never before seen peoples, of fictitious gene-pools, with cultures and languages unlike any you might find in the annals of history."
regardless of what happened in real life, it doesn't apply here

>>5633591
Quit being racist.

>>5633647
What's wrong with being racist?

>>5633588
>>5633591
Dude, shut up you're gonna get my N-word pass taken away.

>>5633360
>>5633364
>>5633384
>>5633419
>>5633633
When a cool breeze from the lakes hits the rocks erected therein, a whimsical whistling tune can be heard from the city throughout winter, spring and summer, earning it the name "Oaffa Utek" Whistle-Rock.

The climate continues to change and the first tribal kingdoms begin to manifest as settled habitation begins to normalize within hunter-gatherer societies. Civilization is nearly upon us.

The first signs are already there, they are...
>pottery
>husbandry
>mining

>>5633671
>>mining

>>5633671
>husbandry

Mining is tempting, but the benefits of Animal Husbandry outweigh it.

What are we husbanding? Horses? Or maybe we could take American Bison in the same direction as the cow. Maybe moose? American start is very interesting

>>5633675
>benefits
Like what?

>>5633671
>husbandry

All three of these techs are vitally important in different ways: pottery leads to brick-making and brewing, giving new building materials and alcohol; husbandry secures a stable supply of protein but also potentially eggs, feathers, fur, fertiliser, labour and bone; mining meanwhile leads to copper and tin.

My view is that although pottery might be better, husbandry isn't a bad place to start. Assuming we're getting sheep, goats or chickens out of this (or something similar), it'll enable us to reuse food scraps, marginal land and / or pests as a boost to agricultural productivity. Plus, a stable supply of protein as we settle down further is always good since hunting doesn't exactly scale well.

>>5633675
Could be any number of animals - maybe we're doing some sort of north American Guinea pig or alpaca if there was such a thing. Maybe ducks or geese. Could even be we're farming frogs / toads or turtles or something. The earliest known captive animal population kept by humans were snails in a cave, so maybe we're gonna do that. I can't imagine that the choices are unfairly balanced however, so husbandry must have at least one good thing behind it, just as we would expect mining to not lead to us just getting shaped stone blocks or pottery just giving us water jugs.

>>5633679
Even more food, milk and eventual lactose tolerance, work-animals. We're pretty large, so the extra food options does seem like a very good idea.

I mean, mining is appealing as well, but right now it'd probably just be quarries of stone until we figure out smelting.

>>5633684
I mean having better tools and weapons would get us more food too

>>5633686
Yeah, but definitely not as much as having the food outside of our homes. Not to mention that milking wild animals is hard.

I mean, we could totally wrestle a deer and milk it with our large size, but that's getting too /k/ for me.

>>5633671
>husbandry
Horses!

>>5633688
as long as we don't rape the deer it's all good

>>5633682
>Husbandry
Beasts of burden are essential to building civilizations

>>5633671
>>husbandry
Steppeniggery is eternal, even in absence of steppe I must steppe

>>5633671
>husbandry

>>5633740
>>5633725
>>5633707
>>5633699
>>5633682
>>5633675
Of the many creatures roaming the wilderness, people have found the Ruhal (Camel) to be the friendliest and most cooperative, aside from Awaoko (Dogs), and thus have become the target for domestication by tribes with access to them. Though they are sparse in your tribe's area, they do occur naturally along the western and southern edges of the forest.
Ruhalko are powerful beasts despite their relatively small stature, they can ward off Grariko (Lions), provide fur, and milk.
It might even be possible to use a Ruhal to move rocks more efficiently...

With the climate on the continent stabilizing at last, the people in the south have begun forming States, with their power structure centered around "Eminski" - Corn.
These Corn Kingdoms wield manpower of fantastical proportions, but are unstable and liable to raids from their less-developed neighbors.

With the power of the Ruhal in our hands, our tribe...
>becomes pastoral
>begins to settle

>>5633767
>>becomes pastoral

>>5633767
>becomes pastoral

>>5633767
>begins to settle
The sooner we develop civilization, the sooner we can prepare to beat the europeans. We have the best soil in North America and the conditions to create a civ greater than that of the Aztecs and Incas, let's not waste any time LARPing as plain indians.

>>5633767
>>becomes pastoral
I AM NEANDERTHAL MAN. THE SCOURGE OF GOD

>>5633767
>begins to settle

>>5633767
>begins to settle

Pastoralism doesn't preclude settling down but it does make it fairly expensive to do so, since it's a huge lifestyle change. Best to rip the bandage off quickly, you know?

>>5633767
>begins to settle

>>5633767
>begins to settle
Time for us to rise

>becomes pastoral

>>5633964
>>5633936
>>5633925
>>5633922
>>5633822
Herding and breeding Ruhalko further decreases our migration range, to the point where several clan leaders begin to claim patrimony over the herds and consolidating their power into petty kingdoms.
Their ancestral gathering sites now experience the construction of permanent residences, from whence these kings rule.
The tribe has fractured and fallen apart, but with the consolidation of power comes centralization of both livestock and crops, forcing clans without Ruhalko to submit and become settled.
Unfavorable as this situation might be for most of the people involved, in the end, it has only helped to bolster our numbers.

Now that Civilization dawns, Oaffa Utek lies abandoned...

But which clan do we belong to?
>Apoti'inste (Widegrassians)
>Doalrete (Shallowwaterites)
>Sessrete (Movingwaterites)
>Doalutekte (Shallowrockians)
>Apotirete (Oceaners)
>Yiprklaokte (Foresthearters)
>Mehnutekte (Highrockians)
>Rerete (Lakers)

>>5633988
>>Yiprklaokte (Foresthearters)

>Yiprklaokte (Foresthearters)

>>5633988
>>Rerete

>>5633988
>Rerete (Lakers)

>>5633988

>Rerete (Lakers)

Neat an alt-hist quest. So QM what do our people look like? I'm imagining a sort of blend between Scythian and Native American

>>5633988
>Rerete (Lakers)

'-rete' must mean water. Very interesting.

>>5633988
>>Sessrete (Movingwaterites)

>>5633988
>Doalrete (Shallowwaterites)

>>5633988
>Rerete

>>5634061

Support

>>5633988
>Rerete (Lakers)

>>5633988
>>Mehnutekte (Highrockians)

>>5633988

>Rerete (Lakers)

>>5633988
>Rerete (Lakers)
I want to establish a maritime empire

>>5634046
there's a picture a bit further up in the thread
they're basically irish trolls
>>5634028
>>5634029
>>5634046
>>5634061
>>5634083
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>>5634412
We establish ourselves on the shore of Ketrere (Good Lake) - Lake Michigan - along a sessre (river) flowing into it.
There, the we build Eyeli Heslo (Sandy Beach) - our base of power.

We are lead by King Ugagtim a(n)....
>Lethargic youngster
>Cripple in his prime
>Ambitious geezer

>>5634462
>Ambitious geezer
Old men are good because of our Intellect trait, that means they have spent their whole life pondering and now know many things

>>5634462
>Cripple in his prime

>>5634462
>>Ambitious geezer

>>5634462
>>Ambitious geezer

>>5634462
>Ambitious geezer

>>5634462
>irish trolls
Oh we're the Natives? I thought we were the Eastern Tribes since we migrated over there

Anyways:
>Ambitious geezer
Tell us our path oh wise one.

>>5634462
>>Ambitious geezer

Import seed crop for corn when?

>>5634462
>Ambitious geezer

>Ambitious geezer

>>5634462
>Ambitious geezer
American Roman Empire here we come

>>5634462
>Ambitious geezer
All in favour to assimilate the vikings when they come?

>>5634827
Being big ass gingers they may well see us as related to themselves, probably wouldn't be hard.

>>5634834
So, should we try to make Gingerborea while we're at it?

>>5634862
We would be fools not to

>>5634827
>>5634834
We are in an alt history world, who knows if the vikings will exist, much less sail to America.

>>5634880
All I'm hearing is that we must beat the europeans to the punch and colonize them instead of the other way around.

>>5634888
Now that's something I can support.
The giant ginger empire will rule the world

>>5633582
Dude, Yamnaya and Corded Ware are freaking Copper Age. About 295 thousand years after the anatomically modern humans appeared. They have absolutely no relation to human evolution.
Are you confusing Europeans (the modern genetic lines) with Indo-Europeans (speakers of the hypothetical proto-Indo-European language, no relation to genetics)? That's two very different things.

>>5634827
>>5634822
>>5634743
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>>5634508
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>>5634470
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>>5634465
Ugagtim, claiming to have actually lived to see the clans united, seeks to reunite them, preferably under his boot.
Though factually speaking, this is impossible, he looks old enough for most to find it believable.

The Rerete however, are at a severe disadvantage, outnumbered by most other clans and outmatched diplomatically by the few with comparable numbers.
Ugagtim however, has spent his whole life trying to make up for this deficit, even having traveled to the far south and the western mountains.
Thus he introduces to us, a most unusual weapon
Naal (Bow) - a word borrowed from the northern tribes.
This spear on a string, as he so carefully demonstrates, is able to fling a projectile farther than any casters we possess, but can do so with enough force to pierce bark.

One way or the other, we are preparing for war.
In the meantime, we focus on other things

>Toolmaking
>Infrastructure
>Woodworking

>>5634912
>Woodworking
If bows are our super weapon, then let's make sure it's good enough for the job

>>5634901
>brave Rerete warrior on a punitive expedition in the Mojave.
We would really be better off sailing to Europe now that I think about it, the West Coast needs modern engineering to have enough water to support large populations, norther Canada is a frozen hellscape without any resources a medieval state would need, Dixie has the worst soil east of the Mississippi and the Plains only started being the breadbasket of America only after modern agriculture became a thing. We have better chances of thriving by island-hopping the North Atlantic and enslaving the irish.

>>5634912
>Toolmaking
Let's develop from the bottom up.

>>5634916
We are on hard mode, but we will make it work

>>5634912
>Woodworking
With our size and possible arm-strength, bows are going to be the fucking meta for a good while.

>>5634912
>Woodworking

>>5634920
Hard mode would have been Down Under. Other then other tribes in the region, nothing can threaten us at an existencial level bar the europeans. We should focus on uniting and developing the Rust Belt, the best parts of North America, and after that we will see. I'm betting on establishing tributary relations with the other natives like the Mississippi Valley civ and the ones in the Great Plains

>>5634912
>>Woodworking
Big ass bows and canoes hell yea

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>>5634946
And kickass armor.

>Toolmaking

>>5634912
>Woodworking

>>5634912
>Woodworking

>>5634912
>>Toolmaking

>>5634912
>Woodworking

>>5634912
>Woodworking

>>5634912
>Toolmaking

>>5634912
>>Toolmaking

>>5635113
>>5635076
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>>5634946
>>5634924
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>>5634913
The mastery of wood has long eluded us, but now that we require not only housing made of trees, but large quantities of tiny, disposable spears, it almost makes sense to spend most of our time working with stone tools, not to proliferate the tools, but to focus them on the shaping of wood.
It is no more tedious than working stone after all, but it feels like a lesser craft in comparison.

The tree spirit finds great attention from us at this time, to both appease his anger at our slaughter of his children, and earn his approval to succeed in our craftsmanship.

Ugagtim ponders what to do with the dozens of
smaller clans as of yet unaffiliated with any cattle clans.

>protect them
>conquer them
>find some other arrangement

>>5635428

>protect them

Federation time? Federation time, given we're in North America it may do us some good to follow the Iroquois model a bit

>>5635428
>protect them
Iroquois it is then.

>>5635428
>protect them

>>5635428
>protect them
Small steps until we become the hegemon of America.

>>5635428
>>protect them
Tribal federation is the way to go

>>5635428
>protect them

>>5631693
UNGA BUNGA

... nice pots.

>>5635428
>protect them

>>5635428
>protect them

>>5635428
>>protect them

>>5635428
>conquer them

>>5635428
>>protect them

>>5635428
>protect them
They are lost children. We shall guide them to the correct path. They will be like us.

>>5635671
>>5635603
>>5635577
>>5635549
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>>5635457
Ugagtim sends messengers to every unconquered tribe, and offers them friendship.
Most see it for what it is, a poor attempt at subjugating them, and send the messengers back with displays of animosity.
Others simply have no need, they are strong enough without us.
And the few who accept are too far away to receive serious protection, which they likely have done to decline as amiably as possible.

Still, Ugagtim consider these to be valid and will enforce his protection should we ever reach their lands.

One last assessment of our situation before going to war:
The civilized world consists of an estimated 70 minor clans, 38 great clans, and 8 cattle clans.
The minor clans will subjugate themselves to whoever holds the most power, they bear no significance.
The great clans vary in power and size, but should generally be considered valid threats.
The cattle clans are the true rulers of the lands, though their influence may be contested, their immense wealth - in the form of lifestock - dictates the lives of those around them.
Despite our relative weakness, we luckily count among the cattle clans.

As of right now, we are in an open state of war with 21 of the great clans
And in a state of perpetual warfare with 4 of the other cattle clans.
We ourselves command only a handful of minor clans.

The first target of our newly equipped army shall be...

>the major clans on our border
>the major clans on the fringes
>the major clans in the heartland
>Sessrete
>Apoti'inste
>Doalutekte
>Yiprklaokte

>>5635695
>the major clans on our border

>>5635695
>>the major clans in the heartland
Subjugate the more valuable lands first.

>>5635695
>Sessrete
Attack the moving-water-people first, unifying some of the Cattle Clans will give us a great base of power in wealth. And rivers are fun too.

>>5635695
>the major clans in the heartland

>Sessrete
Manoeuvring up and down the river to raid deep into other clans territory will be useful and also to be used as red flag attacks.

>>5635695
>Sessrete

>>5635695
>Sessrete
River-based logistics.

>>5635695
>>the major clans on our border

>>5635695
>the major clans on our border

>>5635695
>Sessrete

>>5635695
>>the major clans on our border

>>5635695
>Sessrete
Mobility will be invaluable

>>5634916
To be fair, the west coast had plenty of fresh water lakes and rivers - they've all been turned into reservoirs or fed into channels to feed the cities and farms. Even worse than this, California actually loses something like 95% of certain seasonal rains because they refuse to use/build the capacity to handle them and have to let it just flow to the sea. As for Canada, yeah, it gets cold but so did Russia - even if we can't settle it, semi-nomadic herding can be done to take advantage of the land. The south is a bit of a shit-show like you say, though it's alright for now - the plains meanwhile are entirely suitable for us - we're herders, vast open plains are fuckin' great for herders.

>>5635695
>>Sessrete
not big on 'em. not racis', just don' like 'em.

>>5636018
>the west coast had plenty of fresh water lakes and rivers
Yes, which is why I specified that it would be unable to maintain LARGE populations, meaning it will always be a borderland unless large infrastructure projects are done to make it part of our heartland, at least that would be the case for sputhern California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada and Utah.

>As for Canada, yeah, it gets cold but so did Russia
I would say that it's biggest advantage is the fact that it can't support any large group which could threaten our Rustbelt-based state, we can hunt reindeers and other animals and if the people there try to fight us we either federate or fight having the backing of actual agriculture.

>vast open plains are fuckin' great for herders
True but considering the agricultural potential of the region, and the fact that said potential is locked behind dry farming tech, I still consider the Great Plains to be inferior compared to the Pontic Steppe of Europe with its Chernozem. However, it would do us good to establish our influence there, if only to combat whatever native Gengish Khan the stepps would create if we keep horses from going extinct, which we should.

Overall, I was exaggerating, but regardless I see our empire streching from the Mississipi to New England and around Saint Lawrence and from the Ohio river basin, or maybe from the Tennesee if we decide to fight the Mississippi Valley cities, all the way to the Canadian Shield, with hearders going beyond the heartland into the Great Plains and Northern Canada, spreading our influence as a biproduct.

>>5636072
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>>5635708
Ugagtim has made up his mind, we will attack the Sessrete first, it is the only logical conclusion, the river banks of Sessre are the closest thing to open field we can find in the heartlands, an ideal environment to try our new weapons.

We enter the lands of our enemy from further up north, through some minor clans, and follow the flow of the Sessre.
As we approach one of their settlements, we are met by significant Sessrete army, at least four hundred men.
Though we outnumber them almost two to one, they survive the volley of arrow fire we've unleashed upon them.
If we hadn't witnessed the effectiveness of Naalki first hand, confidence in Ugagtim's leadership would have wavered.
Our arrows are simply stuck in large rectangular cuts of wood, and the Sessrete troops are now on the offensive.

How do we salvage this?
>run but keep firing
>engage in melee
>scatter into the forest

>>5636416
>>run but keep firing

>run but keep firing

>>5636416
>run but keep firing

>>5636416
>scatter into the forest

>>5636416
>run but keep firing

>>5636416
>run but keep firing

If you ever played a game like rimworld with the run and gun mod you would know how absolutely broken this strat can be against an enemy that cant fire back. (As long as you got the endurance and speed for it)

>>5636416
>>run but keep firing

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>>5636416
>run but keep firing

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>>5636419
We flee at the sight of the charging enemy, but Ugagtim demands we keep attacking. So despite the panic, every once in a while we stop to shoot - an exhausting task.
Though they've almost caught up with us, after three of these volleys, the enemy lets up and retreats into the forest.

We have taken no losses, but a handful of our youngest and oldest warriors alike, have collapsed from exhaustion.
Drawing a Naal requires a lot of strength, strength that would have been better used fleeing.

After counting corpses, we find barely 100 dead. We could have wiped them out in the first volley, had they not had their damnable protection.

Ugagtim orders us to collect these items and...
>return home
>keep advancing
>take a rest

>>5636907
>take a rest
in the morning we'll be rested and they'll still be dead

>>5636907
>take a rest
Keep on guard though, we'll get night raided for sure.

>>5636907
>take a rest

>>5636907
>>take a rest

>>5636907
>>take a rest

>>5636907
>return home

>>5636907
>return home
We don't have the capability to contest a night assault, if we wait here we'll, most likely, be run over by a recharged army, that is now waiting in the woods for us to gift them such a chance.

>take a rest

>>5636907
>return home
We'll be massacred if they return at nightfall

>>5637073
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>>5636911
Our troops rest at the site of battle and recover.
It isn't glorious, or glamorous, but peace is as much of a necessity of war as weapons themselves. For exhaustion turns men into naught but animals, and animals aren't warriors.
Or so Ugagtim says at least, who stands watch over his resting clansmen.
Though by nightfall the men were already well-rested, Ugagtim insisted we do not advance.
Night favors the spearman.

At the break of dawn, we continue our attack, though we have given the enemy a far too generous amount of time to prepare for our arrival.

As we approach Aga Torote (Mammoth's Tooth, Sessrete Capital) we...
>storm the city
>scout the area
>simply wait
>turn tail

>>5637129
>>scout the area
Know your enemy as someone might say eventually.

>>5637129
>scout the area

>>5637129
>scout the area
Probably best to see what they're doing, first.

>>5637130
>Scout the area
Ugagtim once said, A hunter must know his prey before he knows his enemy

>>5637129
>scout the area

>scout the area

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>>5637130
Following the command to scout, the men search for Sessrete warriors, and sure enough they find them.
Hiding amidst their cattle, an unknown amount of Sessrete are lying in ambush, knowing that to upset the Ruhalko would end in a great many fatalities for us.
Otherwise, the city appears undefended and normal activity is taking place.
Whatever plan they have hatched, they are convinced that, within the proceedings of warfare as we know it, it is utterly flawless.

Ugagtim however, sees an unprecedented opportunity.
>raid the city for women and slaves
>set a counter-ambush
>eliminate their cattle

>>5637305
>set a counter-ambush