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”You can have whatever I'm carrying. Better then being forced to pay for that thing...”
“Stop right there!”
”Wha- What the hell?!”
“No need to abuse this poor blue fellow. I'm sure he can offer even you a job, if you need money that badly.”
”Shut the hell up- hey, aren't you that vigilante?!”
”I've never seen a Yellow Hazaar before...!”
”Shut up and hand over the gold- before you get a poke!”
“I'm not going to let that happen.”
”Hey buddy, leave it. Let's not turn this rape into a murder.”
“The only thing you're going to be poking is your mattress in prison, criminal.”

The red-man advances. It's time to put a stop to this- but what method should you use to put a stop to this villainy?

>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat Techniques
>Your Signature Sprayer
>Crowd-Control Gadget

>>5605308
>Crowd-Control Gadget
Go go gadget cock lopper offer
Good to see you back Bananas

>>5605308
>Your Signature Sprayer

Welcome back!

>>5605308
>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat Techniques
We're back monkebros

>>5605318
+1 for cock lopper gadget.

>>5605308
>Crowd-Control Gadget

>>5605308
>>Crowd-Control Gadget

>>5605308
>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat Techniques

I'm glad Sunshine didn't become a Hazaar-hater like Bluey OR an amoral pragmatist like so many others in yhis universe.

>>5605397
Is that actually sunshine? Seems like a weird choice given sunshine was some random ass normal guy and had nothing close to the training or profession to be a vigilante tech guy.

>>5605308
>Crowd-Control Gadget

Good to have you back! I like that all the filthy Hazaar are forced to wear clothing

>>5605308
Welcome back
>go go gadget cock lopper. For the Anons, positive reinforcement, and the power of imagination.

>>5605401
its sunshine. why would he feature a yellow hazzar without any context?

and i do like what he developed into.

>>5605308
>Crowd-Control Gadget
glad it's back

>>5605308
>go go gadget cock lopper. For the Anons, positive reinforcement, and the power of imagination.

Welcome back, nona.

>>5605308
>Crowd-Control Gadget

>>5605308
>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat Techniques
We're back mosquitobros
So glad we can go one update without some autist questioning things.

>>5605308
>>Your Signature Sprayer

>>5605308
>>Crowd-Control Gadget
Can't believe it. New Blue Monke thread

>>5605308
>Crowd-Control Gadget

>>5605308
>Crowd-Control Gadget

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You decide to stop these miscreants with a well-placed gadget. Reaching into your utility belt, you take out a small mechanical device you created yourself. You press the button and toss it.

”Arrgh!”

The device pops open and releases a loud electronic screech and wave of disruption. The Red-Hazaar aggressor puts up his hands in defense as he is stunned. This specific frequency is very debilitating to Hazaar with a high internal pressure from this inchor; such as one in the midst of a violent act or attempting to breed...

”Wow, I didn't think anyone would actually... come and help. Thanks!”
“Run, you fool!”

Now, with the victim saved, its time to apprehend these two thugs and turn them in the local HVS Enforcement. But right before you can move in to arrest them- one yells out.

”B-Brutus!”

Then, a large bodied Green Hazaar steps out from the nearest alcove- the muscle to these Red-Hazaar “brains”. While Yellow Hazaar like yourself aren't exactly the strongest around, you feel like you might be a match for a Red-Hazaar on a good day; but Green Hazaar are the biggest, strongest, and toughest of all Hazaar crossbreeds. They're also dumb as hell and very loyal. You can't get into a fight with this guy! Time to use your secret weapon.

You pull up your wrist cannons and give the big lug a spray down with a yellow fluid that rapidly expands into a sticky foam that cements itself, sticking him to the ground. These wrist cannons and their ammunition was designed by you; a multi-use type of organic particulate that reacts strongly with atmospheric gasses. It's water-soluble, which means it can be easily cleaned up, but on this dry planet it is very unlikely to ever be disabled from rain or humidity unintentionally. The perfect nonlethal weapon to round out your crime-fighting arsenal. And it can be used for multiple uses!

You spray a “bridge” of the yellow spray up the wall, using the thin lip that grows from the foam as a platform. No way these guys are coordinated enough to follow you- and the big guy is stuck to the ground. You spray a small jet of water behind you as you flee- melting the platform away to a yellow sludge. Just in case.

You didn't turn the criminals today- but you did help somebody in need. Perhaps that is enough.

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Of course, your action-packed life of justice and fighting crime is only one half of who you really are. Your real name is H/S Hybrid Crossbreed Number 2 – though your friends call you Sunshine.

Forced to flee your homeworld of Xin from a genocidal maniac, you and your Son left for greener pastures in the HVS- the Hybrid Vassal States, the home for the capitalists and exile cast-offs of the “almighty” Hegemony. The toilet of the Stars. Yellow Hazaar like you are too rare to be anything but conspicuous, so dress as a Blue Hazaar to hide your identity. Blue Hazaar are rarely seen on the streets as regular workers- and have no issue fitting into any social circle and the places of higher money and finance- giving you the perfect cover.

Your only friend and confidant on this planet, and the only one who knows your secret, is your Son. You named him Starfire Shine. An unusual name for a Hazaar, as none have family names, but neither did you. You had no family name, but you are his father, and therefore he should inherit your name between his two parents. The young Red-Hazaar is a business entrepreneur owning a nude-friendly lounge and shoppe; The Pin. You now live a double life. Working for your Son to fund your gadgets and superhero antics in the day, and making a real difference fighting injustice as The Yellow Fellow!

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You are now Bantam Falathane, the Supreme Ruler of the Hegemony. Chosen above your rivals and equals by your predecessor, the notorious Wrix Val. He was the first ever blonde Supreme Ruler, and was the first in a thousand years to be Unspeakable. You know he chose you for your strength and martial skill; and you will live up to that image. That is also why you have chosen the color of your Imperial Robe- Dark Blue for Power.

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5476181/

Of course, the moment the Imperial Medallion slipped around your neck, you had been given ultimate power over the Hegemony. The despotic and enlightened position above all overs; you are Supreme! But even so, tradition and protocol indicate that your true official coronation as the Supreme Ruler will take place on the first day of the Jaxt-year on your home planet- on the Day of Obedience. While largely ceremonial, this holiday will generate billions upon billions of DanboMarks worth of revenue; as everyone except for you works for free that day. But more importantly; a mass broadcast of your coronation from your throne will beam to every single planet, colony, and space-ship and habitat in the whole of the empire.

With the incredible power and charisma of the office of Supreme, you can very greatly shift public perception and work; even those things unconscious or not even ordered. By simply choosing your words carefully, you can instigate certain thoughts or avenues to be opened up in the hearts of all Jaxtians who look to you as the God-King of this empire- which will lead to tangible results.

What should you speak on?
>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)
>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)
>Looming Alien Threat (Minor military boost)

>>5605827
>>New Age of Discovery (Minor military boost)
Can we make a vow? If yes,
"I vow our science will progress enough for the looming alien threat"

>>5605827
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

We've let this wane too long, as much as military seems good to boost with the Cyte coming, a prolonged battle requires a strong will and something worth fighting for.

>>5605827
>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)

>>5605827
>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)

>>5605827
>>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)

>>5605827
>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)

>>5605834
No, that is an invalid vow. You can make a vow whenever you wish but vows have to be both challenging and with a set target. "Progress science enough for the looming alien threat" is too vague.

>>5605827
>>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)

>>5605827
>Looming Alien Threat (Minor military boost)
We already *had* an age of discovery

We need to defeat our enemies

>>5605822
>yuan'tul's "ultra special genius son" just turned into some nude shop owner
common tubeface L

>>5605827
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

>>5605883
His ida at he'd be a super-genius ultra-elite hinged on him combining virtues of Yellow and Blue Hazaar. He came out a regualr old (business savvy, smart enough, but empathically-damaged) Red.

>>5605911
Yeah, but if he was an actual "genius" he would have been running more than some pervert nude shop.

Well, as usual, the Red Hazaar manage to be the worst of an already bad species. We really need to finish the job, or else all those actually good aliens we killed will have been for nothing.

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>>5605917
>more thread-derailing xenocide autism

>>5605934
We were already forced to genocide the cool species like the Vetuckers or the Fish People despite no one wanting. Why do the tubeheads get to live while the good ones are dead? Fuck that. We kill all the cool species and keep the bad ones? That's gay.

>>5605934
Do not engage anon, were 3 posts in, weve gone through one vote

>>5605973
Tell me how i'm wrong though

Why do the good races get killed, but the bad ones get to live. What's next? Are we going to let the worms live too? And then genocide the migrators?

>>5605827
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

We need to rally the people and bring them with us. A big stick is always needed, but you need more then just a big stick to truly lead.

>>5605975
Who knows what wrix was thinking, good thing it happened years ago and we are better monkeys and wont make that mistake, now lets stop talking about it because it was before we were in charge and we cant change the past only can we seethe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>5605827
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

>>5605827
>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)

>>5605992
> we cant change the past only can we seethe
We can, however, make it just and erase the people who actually deserved to be genocided. I mean, does that seem fair to you? The people who deserve to be wiped out geting away? If we can't bring back the vetuckers, then we need to clean the slate with the hazaar and make sure that the people who deserve it get whats coming to them.

>>5605999
See? Trips, the universe knows i'm right.

>>5605999
>we can't bring back the vetuckers

Actually, we theoretically could. We have their genetic database downloaded and stored, if we chose to we could resurrect the species from extinction. I'd like to do that sometime myself, but I also want it to make sense within the story. No 'just for the heck of it' resurection, but if our eventual colonies at the galactic fringe find us a world with conditions that is too harsh/uniquely lethal for Jaxtians, but a more robust species might be able to manage there...

>>5606009
That would be good, yes, but it would suck that they wouldn't even have any of their previous culture. Even during Jaxtian control, they basically syncretized their beliefs with Hegemony culture.It was cool, they were basically slightly dimmer honorary jaxtians.

If the cowbros and cowfus don't get to live, then by akule we must eradicate the piratical bugmen known as h*zaar

>>5605827
>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)
We have a huge amount of free real estate, and more coming with the ecumenopolis under construction. It is time to expand like gas and fill all available space.

>>5605827
>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)

Cultural growth seems cool and all, but seeing as how it's titled "Rewards of Obedience" won't it just be more artificial "just obey" 'culture' as opposed to cool pre-hegemony remnants like knife fighting?

>>5605873
So, would 'Develop and Launch Battleships within the reign' be a valid vow? Or 'Expand our borders to the Galactic rim'?

>>5605827
>>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)
More people means more scientists, more soldiers, more artists, more everything.

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>>5606062

>>5606351
Silence, buglover

>>5605827
>>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

>>5605827
Well, no one seems to vote for military boost...
So i'm changing >>5605879 (me) to
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

But it better not be gay artificial culture, i want more kino like knife fights and honor stuff.

>>5606426
Don't forget supreme ruler ziplining

>>5606453
And environmentalism. I miss that.

>>5605397
Just wait

>>5605827
>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)
or
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)
We need population growth, but I don’t want another ‘cultural schism’ again- blowing up Jax would’ve resulted in less salt.

Like the Sunshine bit, will be interested to see how that progresses.

If you want a Vow, vow to utterly destroy a peer Hegemonic rival in our lifetime.

>>5606462
There was also the part where they gave a fuck about morals and maintaining the jaxtian form. Like how we didn't use cybernetics or turn everyone into indigos.

The current hegemony is so damn soulless.

>>5606470
Wrex's kid will fix it, and now we have a machine to preserve the form.

>>5606477
We can't use the life machine that much

I'd just prefer we go back to the more cultural hegemony where they refused to turn jaxt into an metropolitan hellhole and had trouble with early colonization solely because they wanted their citizens to experience jaxtian soil and nature

Instead now everyone lives in a pod and we're building an ecumenopolis so even more people live in pods without ever seeing nature or the sun.

>>5606481
Maybe BQM will give us a vote on how to shape the ecumenopolis, to make it more palatable and pleasant. It's too early in the thread for you to be complaining this much. Please stop.

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>>5605883
>pic related

>>5605992
>we are better monkeys and wont make that mistake
>pic related

>>5605917
Ever think that he is a genius, he just never had a formal education because the HVS is just that shitty? :V

>>5606009
>>5606062
I’m shocked you guys missed Bananas’ Waldo.

>with conditions that is too harsh/uniquely lethal for Jaxtians, but a more robust species might be able to manage there...
Huzzarpilled- pulling the ol’ Agori logic out. God, I loved that Monke.

Wouldn’t solve the cultural annihilation, or exploring the Swalli culture and story arc. Best move on- it’s need a retcon to really untarnish the legacy.

>>5606107
Ain’t playing Wrix 2: Unspeakable Boogaloo again. Better to obey than create another schism.

>>5606426
>>5606453
>>5606462
I loved those days too, but they are gone bros- best to forget and move on.

>>5606502
>he just never had a formal education because the HVS is just that shitty?
And the lack of a formal education made him run a nude shop instead of literally anything else? I mean, the early Red Hazaar managed to become pirates, and they didn't get formal education either.

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>>5606477
>Wrex's kid will fix it

>>5606502
> Better to obey than create another schism.
No it won't, because 'everyone will obey' was the one supposed 'reward' we got out of that entire mess

The early Hegemony still made people obey, but they also had an naturalist sovl. We lost it when we started expanding as an empire, but we can regain it. And who better to return to those days than the family who is literally allowed by law to not get alien genes because of how traditionalist they are?

>>5606470
I believe that was always the intention bro.

>>5606481
>being this Monkepilled

>>5606485
It’s the outgrowth of unresolved feelings from the previous threads, it’ll whittle down with time.

>>5606504
I think the nude franchise in the Huzzared States actually makes a lot of business sense and profit. It ain’t as glamorous as either of Starfire’s parent’s potential positions, but this is the HVS and they are refugees.

>>5606508
>No it won't, because 'everyone will obey' was the one supposed 'reward' we got out of that entire mess
Yes, and we need to reinforce Obedience so we don’t pull a John Wrix on the Hegemony again by on the mask. The mask was the consequence, not obedience.

>we can regain it
Those days are dead and gone, friend. They died long ago- long before Yuan'tul wrote his books. Best just to move on.

>>5606523
>It ain’t as glamorous as either of Starfire’s parent’s potential positions, but this is the HVS and they are refugees.
Yeah, and that's why i'm saying it's an L, he didn't become like, a fuckin' pirate or nothing, just a business owner. It's not bad, but it's funny because he was supposed to be an perfect new age elite.

>Yes, and we need to reinforce Obedience so we don’t pull a John Wrix on the Hegemony again by on the mask.
We have literally been told that because of the mask we will not have to deal with anyone not obeying anything for a long time.

>Those days are dead and gone, friend.
Only because people don't vote for it.

>>5606523
>it’ll whittle down with time.
Ahahahaha. The salt has only began flowing.

>>5606529
>Only because people don't vote for it.
And they will continue not voting for it. Muh efficiency won and will only continue winning.

>>5606542
>Muh efficiency won and will only continue winning.
So then..don't vote for efficiency

It's literally there. Culture. Just vote for culture.

>>5606543
A culture of obedience doesn't really sound appealing

>>5606545
Yes, but that's not really a culture, we already have all the whole 'obedience' stuff

Which is why i was hoping that culture would get us to be more like the old hegemony. We literally have a supreme from the traditionalist family. Literally just vote to do it. We can just have the culture be a return to the hegemony in the days of Vantix.

I mean, it's a quest. Choosing is the point.

>>5605827
>>5606076
Switch to
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

>>5606557
It is literally called Rewards of Obedience. It does not sound like it'll do what you're hoping it to do. I don't think there's a way to get the old hegemony back or have the quest be as fun as it used to be without a retcon and Bananas already rejected a retcon when it made sense. But what the hell, let's give it a shot. Maybe this one won't be a disappointment?

>I mean, it's a quest. Choosing is the point.
No one chose to kill the Vetuckers

>>5606574
>No one chose to kill the Vetuckers
Correct, but this time it's an actual vote.

I'm actually happy v***ckers got clapped. Cows are gross.

>>5606557
Ah, but will it be days of Vantix, or from before?

>>5606574
We could do two pledges with a vow. Destruction of a peer rival should be enough to consider it hard. Or freeing the Space-Whales, somehow.

I do want a thiccer Hegemony- exploring beyond the Vale would be quite kino desu.

>>5606611
Tubeface detected, opinion ignored

>>5606620
Wrong. I hate all x*nos equally and wish mosquitodicks would get gassed.

>>5606661
They SHOULD be, but i will not tolerate that kind of talk about the cowbros.

'ate tube faces
'ate wrix
'ate worms (not racist just don't like'em)

'luv me cows
'luv me knife fighting
'luv me danbos

Simple as.

>>5606611
>I'm actually happy v***ckers got clapped

Ain’t the only one hehehehehe….Que obligatory NTR Eoba shitpost pic.

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>>5606107
>>5606508

Since people are getting confused on this; the "Rewards of Obedience" is the name of the speech, in which lessening government regulations on speech/art/censorship/reeducation is the "reward" for everyone being more "obedient" in the past generation, thus leading to more cultural growth. It is not making the culture more obedient.

>>5606705
The clarification is appreciated.

I change my vote from >>5605841 (on phone at work) to
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

>>5606705
Ah- thank you for clarifying Bananas, I appreciate that.

>>5605827
Changing >>5606465 vote to
>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)
or
>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)

I will support a vow to eliminate a peer rival or freeing the Space-Whales from Worm infestation.

>>5606705
Good

Then we can finally retvrn to the naturalist hegemony of vantix, where jaxtians got buff and learned to do cool stuff instead of jerking it to cyber waifus in a pod

>>5606705
Thank you QM.

>>5606716
Doubt that- fighting a war will reverse the reward as a simple necessity. It’s better if we focus on practical pursuits before the war, then reward the Hegemony later by opening up the culture. Less inefficient, methinks- we didn’t choose Warbro over Culturebro just to liberalize the culture and not fight a war.

>>5606731
Why can't we do both? Returning to the old hegemonic culture doesn't exactly stop the war from happening.

We're still doing stuff. We can just do it in a less gay way.

>>5606731
I agree with >>5606744 for once. We have Wrix' kid around to guide this cultural revolution while we focus our big war brain on matters of spycraft and warfare. Better yet: we can synchronize this, guiding our culture to a soulful but soldierly ideal.

>>5605822
>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)

Monke quest! Hurrah!

…I do miss the ‘merely’ incredibly authoritarian Hegemony, compared to the blood drenched space empire we have today.

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>>5606744
War doesn’t bring about a lessening government regulations on speech/art/censorship/reeducation, it creates more restrictions to keep the war economy functioning. It’s not that I oppose it- I just don’t see it as realistic if we’re going to undertake a war with Warbro- Rewards of Obedience would’ve been better coming from Wrix’s son, as well as some neat fucking art.

I mean, him being Wrix’s son allows him the unique position to criticize him with his art- sculptures and art of those races lost in to purge, in happier times. Maybe a sense of unease too- I remember this one L5R Quest where a Crab warrior was memed about creating beautiful works of art- with a small hint in the background of a hidden threat, or a danger lurking around the corner. A pair a small beady eyes hidden in the shadows of a bush/forest, a smudge of a large troll coming up the path behind the hill in the far background. Would be neat.

>>5606817
The difference isn't the blood, it's the fact that there isn't any real benefit to the slaughter. We keep expanding , but does it benefit people? No, in fact their quality of life has decreased.

Like, back in thread one we literally had an issue of not having enough space for living because we didn't want to turn jaxt into an concrete paved hellhole planet city.

We just became too practical and "efficient", no culture and honor to back all the imperialism. We need to go back to the times when we would encourage people to get buff instead of being comer losers and bugmen who do nothing but work and praise the supreme.

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>>5606816
>cultural revolution
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

>>5606846
Again, we can do both? We don't exactly need propaganda. Everyone obeys us already.

If anything, this is better, because Wrix's son can dedicate his full time to the culture, whereas an supreme has to deal with all other manners of politics. Not to mention that due to his family, Bantam will probably agree to a return to traditionalism.

The supreme can lead the war effort while wrix's son can help the culture. Hardly seems impossible. We always assign leftover candidates to other stuff.

>>5606858
This is more like the exact opposite

We already went through the part where we erase our entire culture and replace it with government worship. This is the part where we do something other than that.

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I don't want to be a huge downer or clamp discussion people are interested in but I literally have NO idea where you guys are getting this headcanon stuff from.

Did you miss the part where part of Wrix's manifesto for committing the genocides was to give more fertile farmland and habitable planetary space to Jaxtians instead of aliens? Or the OOC reveals about Thread #7 where going down the Cijan-Mask path would destroy the Jaxtian culture, where as the path you took didn't (but destroyed all diversity instead)?

You only saw ONE guy living in the pod, and that was only to juxtapose the relative poverty of a loser Jaxtian living alone on a space station as opposed to how exciting even that living condition was to a second-class Hazaari citizen. Most Jaxtians do not live like that, most are physically active, knife fighting is still alive and well. I don't think this has been implied to be anything but the case anywhere, so I'm confused how people came to these extreme conclusions as though something has significantly changed between threads.

>>5606848
Actually, I believe it’s canon that Wrix improved Monke quality of life through the purges- it the Lebensraum meme.

>>5606859
>>5606863
Because fighting a war and cultural liberalization are two different things at counter odds with one another- you can’t fight a war by having a ‘cultural revolution’, that’s just silly- the moment the war starts the culture becomes hijacked by the state to satisfy war needs. You can have one, or the other- not both at the same time.

>>5606873
>You only saw ONE guy living in the pod,
Literally the only people we've seen NOT living in a pod are the rich

>>5606873
I barely remember since its been so long, can you make a document about what we are trying to do even? The only thing im certain about is xeno bad, must enslave or purge. And that time on the orbital station which ended badly.

>>5606873
No offense Bananas- but we never got to explore the life of a regular Jaxian in this era. I assume most of the playerbase thought that the coomer loser in extreme poverty WAS the norm, for lack of a Jaxian juxtaposition to the contrary.

>>5606879
Again, that's not really true. You're just going off of stuff like world war two. Throughout history cultural advancements have absolutely accompanied war. Look at the Renaissance.

>>5606885
THE CIRRUS SHALL RISE AGAIN!

>>5606888
The Renaissance didn’t have to deal with an industrial war- and this will be two space empires fighting a war of extinction, like the Nazi and Solviets fought in WWII.

>>5606897
Bro have you literally read ANYTHING about the Renaissance??? The Thirty Years War was literally one of the biggest wars in the history of mankind, and it was ONE.

It absolutely is possible.

>>5606886
Yeah, the only people we really got to see were the rich and influential ones. The rest was just propaganda and stuff about eating low quality food and living in pods.

>>5606907
That can be described more as a Catholic civil war than anything else- sorta like the Ukraine war being a civil-war of the former Solviet bloc.

>>5606913
Ye- only thing I remember recently that went into any depth was Wrix being a normal Jaxian originally- a man of the people.

>>5606918
Lmao no it wasn't

Wrix was in that noble class about dueling, wasn't he? Normal poor people don't get to train with rich wannabe supreme candidates.

>>5606873
The emphasis on brutal efficiency showcased in the last two thread and the swirl of salt which resulted resulted in a lot of unreliable memories of how bad things got for certain very active and critical anons. That said, a little peek at day-to-day's improvements and thriving Jaxtian culture in their new living space could do a lot to dispelled these persistent false notions in those anons AND make the genocide feel more positive (or at least like it led to some positive things for some people).

>>5606925
They do, sometimes, if their gene score is high enough. Qet was born a common Jaxtian. Everyone THOUGHT that was the only heritage of Talacent, as well, if I recall.. Nobody knew Val was his dad.

>>5606925
That was legit Wrix’s storyline- being of normal Blondie Monke stock, he rose to the highest of positions through sheer grit and determination, and established his line as one of aristocratic noble families. Wrix was ultimately a Rags to Riches type of guy- which would’ve been interesting playing as a poor male!Kima.

>>5606937
That's because when they get high genes they usually get elevated to a good position, though. His father was by no means a general random worker of the masses, either.

>>5606948
This would have meaning if he wasn't literally just handed power. He didn't earn any of it, Kima just randomly dropped it in his lap.

It's like if you got made into the president of the USA because you were there when JFK was assassinated.

>>5606931
It’s also been years at this point- memories fade, you know?

>>5606954
While I do get being miffed at Kima giving some rando supreme power, Wrix was ultimately groomed as a Supreme Candidate- and Wrix being from a normal blonde family meant that he had none of the advantages that the other candidates had. He became a Supreme Candidate on his own merits- and that does say something about his drive and work ethic, even if he got Supremacy though a handout.

>>5606971
He wasn't really an "real" candidate

He was one of those half time candidates. According to the teacher, families send people to be "candidates" even when the supreme ruler is healthy and young.

I mean, he's not one of the great families, but he's by no means rags to riches. This is more like uh...middle class to upper middle class, and then getting a trillion dollars dropped on your lap because you were in the right place at the right time.

>>5606982
That’s still impressive, given that’s he was a normal blonde competing against noble families known for producing Supremes.

>>5607024
It would have if he was actually competing. Again, he wasn't actually a candidate, he was one of the halftimers who were sent to train because of their families wanting to have a chance in case the supreme suddenly died. Its an accomplishment and all, but again, still not a rags to riches.

And he is STILL not the common jaxtians. And we didn't get to see how he lived until he became the supreme.

>>5607044
Wrix legit told us his backstory and how he lived before Kima gave him the job- that this point I’m willing to agree to disagree.

>>5607055
He told us about the part where he got sent to training camp, not about the economical and cultural conditions of his class.

>>5607059
Either way I'm going to stop now because i don't want the thread to end quickly because of arguments filling up the whole thing

>>5606481
Amen, monke brother.

>>5606873
Thank you for this clarification. The canon has grown impressively large and sometimes things like the pod situation get muddled.

>>5605827
>The Glory of our Eternal Empire

>>5607231
It may be a little late in the vote-and-debate process for a write-in to take hold.

>>5607231
>>5607268
I’m just confused as to the benefit we’d get from it.

>>5606886
This is completely wrong, during the Kima storyline we explored the life of a generic Enforcer, basically a cop, and saw how his life was.

>>5607594
Enforcers are respected elite government security, not low level cops.

>>5607596
They are middle class law enforcement

>>5607597
Hardly. We've seen them do stuff like guard the Supreme himself.

>>5607668
>>5607597
>>5607596
>>5607594
I think "Enforcer" may be a term like "Officer", which can be applied to a whole host of military/police personnel of various importance and social status.

At any rate, we have the QM's explicit statement as to how most Jaxtians live now, to correct our misapprehensions.

>>5607688
Sure would be good if we actually got to see it, though. That guy living in a pod was the only non-rich person we saw, not to mention stuff like the AI manipulating Radjo.

The nice thing about being a QM for such a big quest is I don't even have to tally the votes myself lol

hint taken.

By my count it's:

Discovery - 4
Obedience - 9.5
Colonial - 3.5
Alien - 0 (it received 1 vote but this was switched to obedience).
Glory - 1

>>5607929
>all the possibilities overshadowed by a limited-time culture meme
Never change playerbase, never change.

>>5605999
There is no such thing as "people who deserve to be genocided." People should be judged on their character , not who they were born as.

>>5606873
>second-class Hazaari citizen
Explicit word of God confirmation the Hazaar were actually oppressed. I remember a 100+ back on forth in a thread where someone was arguing that the Hegemony wasn't racist.

>>5607929
I vote for Rewards for Obedience

>>5608096
Red Hazaar are literally, biologically incapable of empathy.

>>5608102
they literally allowed these 'second class citizens' to become high-tier officers of the state given enough gene scores.

>>5608102
Those anons will still argue about it because they don't think those conditions are bad enough to count as oppression since they got to have space on a planet and some of the Blaazaar became State Philosophers and such. Or it doesn't matter, because it's better than the Hazaar deserved. There's no point arguing it. Next time someone insults you or criticizes a vote on those grounds, just link them back to >>5606873 and disengage.

>>5608118
>they don't think those conditions are bad enough to count as oppression since they got to have space on a planet and some of the Blaazaar became State Philosophers and such. Or it doesn't matter, because it's better than the Hazaar deserved.
Both are true and correct.

>>5608114
They apparently don't have mirror neurons, that's not necessarily the same as not having empathy (see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3898692/)
And even if they don't have empathy because of that, that's a mental impairment, not a moral failing.

>>5608116
That's like saying because Sidney Poitier was a Hollywood star means the USA isn't anti-Black.

>>5608141
No, they literally do not have empathy. That's what it's said. They don't have the ability to really care about the consequences of others.

>And even if they don't have empathy because of that, that's a mental impairment, not a moral failing.
It's not a mental impairment when the whole race has it. If a race is completely composed of sociopaths, then they're still a race of sociopaths no matter which way you call it.

>>5608143
Yeah, because being a hollywood star is totally equal between getting to pick between being state philosopher (literally the only people allowed to criticize the government without getting skinned alive) or a high tier biologist/physicist.

>>5608150
Ok, it's like saying because Black politicians exist that the USA isn't Black.
Specific individuals having successful positions doesn't mean there demographic group as a whole isn't under systematic oppression especially when multiple posts and OP statements say the Hegemony is explicitly run on a race, species and gender based caste system

>>5608155
The Hegemony had a caste system for everyone, the Hazaar were treated way better than what they would be in an actual xenophobic regime. Calling them "second class citizens" is wrong because there are no citizens in the hegemony whatsoever, there's no 'citizenry' if no one has any rights.

Literally the only person who could be called a citizen is the supreme, because the supreme is the only one with rights. If the supreme decides he's going to kill the first jaxtian that sneezes in front of him, he can do it, and no one can stop him.

>>5608141
Theoretically, couldn't we create an 'empathy virus' that will alter infected Haazar genetic code into one that generates the Neurons that we deem they are missing?

>>5608169
Their empathy was purposefully removed by the life machine back when they were able to do it for their entire race, so very unlikely.

>>5608102
Not to burst your bubble bro, but Wrix legit genocided the other species awhile ago. If that wasn’t considered explicit confirmation, you clearly have some sort of malfunction bro.

>>5608118
Considering the whole Lebensraum logic, the Xenos had better living conditions then a bunch of Monkes in Hegemony space, and you gotta assume the Huzzar are treated better in the HVS. I personally see the point as mute- they’re all dead anyway, so what is even the point of debating this shit beyond your fucking ego? Just move on- let the past die.

>>5608141
I mean, it’s both? They did it to themselves, as a species- they lobotomized themselves of empathy, which is as funny as it is a problem.

>>5608143
I find it hilarious with all the pro-Black propaganda and racial quotas set up that you still think the US is anti-Black.

>>5608155
Ohhh, you’re one of those nutters huh?

>>5608174
I hate the hazaar a lot, but i'd rather not start real life poltical discussion mmkay

>>5608169
Don’t think it works like that.

>>5608176
Didn’t start it, but I’ll try to refrain from further comment- if the other guy was gonna bring in his RL politics into the debate, it opens the door for everyone to comment on it.

>2 posts in
>this much salt has flowed
Going to be a fruitful thread

>>5608191
The funniest shit is that they haven’t even noticed Waldo

>>5608191
What did you expect? The source of all the salt is still there. Why would it ever stop?

>>5608155
>"Isn't *Anti-Black"
Is what that line meant to say

>>5608160
You gonna tell that to the creater of the setting?
>>5606873
>You only saw ONE guy living in the pod, and that was only to juxtapose the relative poverty of a loser Jaxtian living alone on a space station as opposed to how exciting even that living condition was to a second-class Hazaari citizen.

>>5608245
Yes, because i'm going off what has been shown.

Now can you stop filling up the thread with inane argueing? I don't want it to end before we've even hit 10 posts and the hazaar are all dead.

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>>5608195

>>5608254
What was shown is Jataxians being given several preferences over Hazaar by the government, including better living conditions (the "looser coomer" Monke the fandom consistently decries was seen as a step UP compared to what the Hazaar got) an education system that explicitly preaches Jataxian supremacy, more limits on their movement than the Jataxians (only allowed on one Planet and and a prison asteroid), and has their sexuality restricted far beyond Jataxians (having genital locks)

The Hegemony being brutal and oppressive to everyone doesn't mean the text doesn't clearly show how that opression isn't evenly distributed.

What *is* a nude-friendly shop and lounge? Is the idea it's a clothing optional night club?
>>5605822

Slightly more than one out of every three posts in this thread is Ju/BVh6f or cwwfB5en.

>>5608257
Ah, I’m proud you found him!

>>5608261
I’d argue that it’s less an option and more of a selling point.

>>5608259
>Monke the fandom consistently decries was seen as a step UP compared to what the Hazaar got
Because a pod is so much better than....another pod.
> an education system that explicitly preaches Jataxian supremacy
The Hazaar literally nearly self-destructed, and all the other shades only exist because of them.
>only allowed on one Planet and and a prison asteroid
That's just not true at all, otherwise the whole 'lebensraun' thing wouldn't make sense. They had majority in one planet.
> and has their sexuality restricted far beyond Jataxians
Newfag detected, hazaar literally *have* to have genital locks because they quite literally cannot control their spikes. Otherwise, they'd just start spiking random people on the streets. That's literally fact - the red hazaar had to 'prepare' their guards for several months just so they wouldn't spike their own crew.

>>5608266
CW: Mentions of Rape

The hazaar literally *have* to have genital locks because they quite literally cannot control their spikes
That's not accurate . Warrior caste Hazaar are known to struggle with sexual impulses more but the idea that Hazaar are all walking rape machines that have to be locked up is Monke stereotypes.

As we saw in the first post of this thread, yes Hazaar are capable of rape, the same as any group, but the entire species isn't going to rape unless physically kept from doing so.

The HVS doesn't lock up Hazaar and every single Hazaar is going around raping people.

Bluey didn't sexually assault anyone until *after* he became a Monke.

>>5608287
>CW: Mentions of Rape
Listen, I'm a leftoid too, but this is full-on self-parody. We're on 4chan.

>>5608287
>That's not accurate . Warrior caste Hazaar are known to struggle with sexual impulses more but the idea that Hazaar are all walking rape machines that have to be locked up is Monke stereotypes.
lmao, 'struggle with sexual impulses'

They literally, instinctively, spike people as a self-defense to the point they are literally their warrior caste. Trying to act like they're good bois who dindu nuffin is beyond retarded and just another example of the stupid hazaar apologism that people seem to have solely because they're 'le oppressed'

>Bluey didn't sexually assault anyone until *after* he became a Monke.
That was pretty much unrelated, bluey just hated hazaar.

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>>5608262
No defense for my post number- I’m just chatty- but I do think dynamic IP is at play =P

>>5608287
>The HVS doesn't lock up Hazaar and every single Hazaar is going around raping people.
>mass hazzar rape confirmed

Other than memeing your typo/autocorrect, Bluey was a product of rape, and is arguably the most self-hating Hazzar since Yuan. Not a good example methinks.

>>5608295

You stated that every Hazaar inherently will assault people unless locked up. The text directly contradicts you because we have multiple examples, including an entire civilization, full of Hazaar not doing that. The actual quest proves you wrong.

>>5608306
>including an entire civilization, full of Hazaar not doing that
You mean the civilization where warriors have to be trained for weeks, months just to NOT rape everyone in the crew? Because they literally instinctively rape everyone they don't extensively know?

I mean holy fuck, the sheer levels of cope here are astonishing. The hazaar apologism has become completely retarded.

>>5608264
Indeed! The Vetuckers yet live, in the HVS. If we resurrect their genome, we have someone who can teach them some variation of their traditions. May this ray of light invigorate us to discuss something than Hazaar.

>>5608169
Perhaps, some sort of dna altering injection... but how do we make them all take it?

>>5608257
YAY! Some of them made it!

Not to (just) increase my post number further, but maybe as a Hazzar conversation pallet cleanser, couple thoughts.

If the Bluzzar and the Grezzar kept spiking their non-Huzzar species, would that result in greater genetic characteristics of the parent species in subsequent hybrids?

Also, what kind of hellish evolutionary pressure evolved the Hazzar to not only be as genetically compatible with, well, everything while also being extremely long lived? Interesting thought experiment.

>>5608312
Good luck with that- I still feel the Swalli absence keenly, and no one ever mentions them except when saying that their genocide was a good thing.

>>5608320
Or the Bluzzar could continue breeding with Jaxians, see how that goes. Same with the Grezzar.

>>5608330
>Also, what kind of hellish evolutionary pressure evolved the Hazzar to not only be as genetically compatible with, well, everything while also being extremely long lived?
I'm pretty sure that's because they were made by the aristocrats (the race of drukhari-tier sadist degenerates) as servants. Red Hazaar are the hazaar that escaped aristocrat space and literally genetically removed their empathy so they could turn into ancapistan.

>>5608311
CW: mentions of rape
I'm talking about the entire HVS. Are you trying to tell me the person Sunshine saved ran home just to abuse someone?
Or that everyone in the Clinic just pulled their dicks out right after that scene ended?
Or the scene we saw of it at the end of the last thread when Kima showed up there was just what, in between rapes?

>hazaar literally *have* to have genital locks because they quite literally cannot control their spikes. Otherwise, they'd just start spiking random people on the streets.
Is what you claimed. And yet we have an entire planet full of Hazaar where that isn't happening. Where sexual violence shows up as part of a robbery, a crime, and isn't something that every person is doing constantly all the time.
Sunshine wasn't locked up. If what you said was true, why didn't they attack the victim themselves? Or the assaulters they gooed up?

>>5608330
>If the Bluzzar and the Grezzar kept spiking their non-Huzzar species, would that result in greater genetic characteristics of the parent species in subsequent hybrids?
It seems like the horizontally-transferred, parasitized genes of the Jaxtian or Vetiucker (or Swalli) don't transfer. They just make more Reds when they spike each other. That said, while Reds lack empathy, they're capable of enlightened self-interest resulting in de facto group cooperation and social thinking. They can feel outrage for the unborn. They have the concept of a "non-aggression principle". They DID try to condition soldier-morphs into not being rapists prior to meeting the Jaxtians in-person, it's just difficult for that one particular type of Hazaar to control their violent sexual urges.

Your other idea, of eliminating reds by breeding Hazaar solely to Jaxtians or other species makes more sense, I think... But I don't believe Reds are incompatible with society.

>what kind of hellish evolutionary pressure evolved the Hazzar to not only be as genetically compatible with, well, everything while also being extremely long lived?
Maybe just the life machine and the meddling of the Aristocrats/Pink Hazaar?

>I still feel the Swalli absence keenly
Sorry, anon. They left us a lot of corpses and a robust cultural record to work with... But alas, I fear they're MORE incompatible with the way the hegemony operates, since they were "Jaxtians but better" per Bananas, with a fierce independent and individualist streak we could never fully crush. Maybe if we modified them before revival...

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>>5608336
>I'm talking about the entire HVS. Are you trying to tell me the person Sunshine saved ran home just to abuse someone?
He was literally about to get raped. He was being threatened. With rape.
>Is what you claimed
THIS IS LITERALLY FUCKING CANON

Holy fuck, the sheer level of apologism for the hazaar. Why couldn't we have wiped them all out and finally settled this stupid discussion?

>>5608342
Nah. Hazaar are interestingly weird and I'm glad they're alive. Killing them before we learned details about them, or experimented with hybrids, would have been less interesting. I voted to genocide them under Talacent, but in the end I'm glad they persisted. Just stop taking their existence as a personal IRL affront.

>>5608352
The only good hazaar was bluey

The sheer amount of trouble they've caused is completely retarded. 99% of arguments since the hazaar arrived have been about the hazaar. We could have settled it, at last, and stopped it. But now they're alive and well in the HVS, and back to their ancapistani roots.

>>5608342
CW:Mentions of Rape

"Warrior types need training to control their urges" is not the same thing as

"Every Hazaar is inherently a rapist and if they aren't locked up, they will rape people in the streets"

The first is what the quest actually said.
The second is the incorrect statement you made.

>>5608353
>99% of arguments since the hazaar arrived have been about the Hazaar
Then stop arguing. it's you doing this now, not the Hazaar. If a vote comes up about whether to exterminate them or whatever, bring it up then. Until such time, just accept that they're here and not going to spontaneously combust, and enjoy the conflict they bring to the narrative which would, after all, be boring as shit without conflict.

>>5608336
>>5608330
>>5608141
Don't you think we'd all enjoy the quest more if we id that?

>>5608332
Well, what would’ve been their original life expectancy? It seems like long life is an extension of the Huzzar genetics, considering the hybrid lifespan.

>>5608339
>It seems like the horizontally-transferred, parasitized genes of the Jaxtian or Vetiucker (or Swalli) don't transfer. They just make more Reds when they spike each other
Ah, I thought it was just the mix of Jaxian and Swalli genes, if only the Huzzar parts transfer over then cross-hybridization is a mute point.

>Your other idea, of eliminating reds by breeding Hazaar solely to Jaxtians or other species makes more sense, I think... But I don't believe Reds are incompatible with society.
While I think the Reds are incompatible with ‘advanced’ (ie totalitarian) society, the point wasn’t to breed them out- I’m wondering if Bluzzar/Monke offspring would include more physical Monke characteristics that simply color.

>Maybe just the life machine and the meddling of the Aristocrats/Pink Hazaar?
Maybe, though the limits of the life machine itself doesn’t support any mass conversion methinks, though I could be wrong on that point.

>Swalli
I disagree, I think their struggles with collectivization before first contact mean that they are compatible- we just never did anything because we shanghaied ourselves into a weird half-measure relationship and never had the chance to interact with them after that until Wrix came into power. I would’ve loved to explored them and their relationship with the Hegemony in a post-conquest situation.

Shame it’ll never happen- I guess it was never meant to be.

>>5608357
>Control their urges
Nice way of saying "they will rape everyone who they haven't trained for weeks to know"

Literally any hazaar can become a warrior, and the ones that don't still basically go around with walking chestburster spikes. Their cages are literally a necessity for them to stay in proximity to jaxtians.

>>5608359
I will stop arguing if people stop saying stupid shit

>>5608352
Tbh- genociding the Huzzar under Talacent would’ve only delayed their introduction into the narrative, and probably would’ve lead to a more stable- and possibly more pro-Xeno- playerbase. I don’t think anything would’ve been lost- in fact, I do think Bluey’s perspective would’ve been even more fascinating had he been the sole-survivor of his species in the Hegemony.

>>5608359
>Don't you think we'd all enjoy the quest more if we id that?
No, but I’ll try it your way.

>>5608371
That won't happen, and you know it. Stop being a bitch about it.

People are going to disagree with you, and that's okay. An irrelevant stream of circular arguments unrelated to the current vote, peppered with insults and lamentations about previous votes, does nothing to improve the quest or convince people to vote your way.

>>5608376
Thank you.

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Mandatory burger time.

>>5608368
CW:rape

And now you're moving the goalposts.

If an unlocked Hazaar can't control their urges and will rape constantly in the streets, why isn't every single person in the HVS constantly raping people? We have seen close to a dozen unlocked Hazaar in the HVS and only two of them were shown threatening sexual violence

>>5608382
No it's not, you claimed the chastity cages were le bad, and they are not.

But whatever, go simp for rapist bugmen. They are all dead in the hegemony.

>>5608382
I think there’s a bit of a miscommunication- I could be wrong, but I think the other dude is commenting more on the Reds than the hybrids, in my opinion.

>>5608387
Most Reds aren't prone to fits of rape. That's JUST soldiers. Otehrs can be rapey, but are in better control of their faculties and at least a few subscribed to a non-aggression principle in keeping with the ancap leanings.

>>5608408
Literally the first thing we saw them to this thread is trying to rape a guy, but okay man.

Can you go defend rapists somewhere else now?

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You have decided to make your speech on the Rewards of Obedience. After the brutal ideological purges and genocides of your predecessor, the appearance of the Death Mask has hit deep within the Jaxtian spirit and soul. All crime and disobedience, even self-reported “Thoughtcrime”, has been at an all time low. Anti-social behaviors are almost nonexistent in the population. In many ways, the leash has loosened since those years, but the ones within have been too scared to explore the newfound slack from intergenerational trauma.

First is the ceremony. The coronation, the anthem, the bowing. It's all quite exciting, but this is the first time you've experienced this from this angle- being pledged to, instead of pledging. One of only a handful of billions upon billions who will ever see the Day of Obedience from this angle is both an honor and a rush. But you're going to have to do this every year for the rest of your life...? You just hope it doesn't get too boring. But you're prepared for all the boredom of rulership. After all, that's what you've trained for. Just like public speaking.

”...It is time now, my dear subjects, to enjoy this newfound stability. The Hegemony promises you a meaningful career, which it has delivered. The Hegemony has promised land and resources for its people, which it has delivered. Your Supreme Ruler has given all you could ever need- but there is one thing I cannot order you to do in good conscious- and that is be a people. Not merely a collection of assets, but to create art and culture that is the thriving, living soul of a nation. Go forth and breath. This is my command to you.”

Year 41 of the Resurrection Era
In the months following the Day of Obedience, a great number of new artists and athletes begin careers expanding the cultural palette and milieu of the Hegemony. But a more immediate effect is the branching out of existing art and entertainment- kept in lockstep and painted-by-numbers according to bureaucratic suggestion and societal browbeating- very little experimentation and spirit even in state-approved propaganda, simply due to the culture of obedience and fear following the previous regime. This breath of fresh air has lead to many new and interesting growths of development; leading to a general increase in happiness. If there are any other benefits to this decision, they have yet to reveal themselves...

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At about the same time as your official coronation, something else was brewing mysteriously in the Hegemony. Your senior-most Starseer, and disgraced Supreme-Candidate of two generations prior had suddenly fallen.

The doctors and scientists are exasperated. They could find nothing wrong with him physically or mentally, despite his brain's unusal activity. He was in a state of panic, and the part of the brain responsible for navigation and memory of places was essentially overloaded. Despite him being fully conscious, nothing said to him nor any stimulus could seemingly bring him back down to earth, so to speak. Tetak Kallas was not here anymore. Despite his great skill in Starsight- the ability to see into the faster-than-light realm of Hyperspace- something was very wrong. His protege and another prodigy- the first Starseer retaining use of their normal eyesight- Radjo Berax, was the only one who has any idea what has happened to his mentor.

”What happened to him?”
“I apologize my Lord, as we do not know exactly. This has never happened before. But the closest I can gather is... he is lost.”
”Lost? Starsight is meant to find one's way in space.”
“I know, my Lord. And Tetak was a fantastic navigator. As far as I can tell, his presence has been... relocated. Disassociated. As if taken from where he was before, and tossed screaming into the void.”
”Can't you go out and “find” him?”

Radjo looks concerned, as though you told him to perform an impossible feat.

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“No, my lord. Tetak's consciousness has essentially been flung out into deep space. It could be anywhere- not just in this galaxy, even, but anywhere in the universe. Starsight requires ones one sense of direction and navigation, it requires landmarks like any other form of travel. His mind-self could be within the dark space between galaxies for all we know- totally unable to find its way back. It could search for hundreds of thousands of years or more without any way to find his way back home- back to his own body. This is a true and permanent death sentence- Absolute Disassociation.”
”This is absurd. The consciousness is rooted in the brain. It cannot be “separated” from it. The existence of a soul is not proven and is an Anti-social belief.”

Radjo stiffens his lip.

“I know that, My Lord. I make no statement contrary. But that is not the issue here. It is as though his eyes, still connected to his brain, were thrown miles and miles away. The rest of him is rotting away while he slithers through the grass, trying to find his way back and beset by predators. He has already lost ten percent of his body weight- he is in a constant panic. He sleeps when he is exhausted, but is constantly overwhelmed and overloaded. He is in a panic that never ends; and even drugs to try and calm him don't stop his brain from destroying itself. He is elsewhere, and will remain that way until his brain is turned off. I don't want him to suffer anymore.”

What should you do?
>Euthanize him, at his friends request
>Keep him alive for study
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back

>>5608421
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back

>>5608410
You are silly.

>>5608421
I don't know about bringing him back, this feels like it could end with our strongest starseers ending up in the same place.

Might this be 'The Cyte'? Once you are in, you cannot get out.

>>5608421
>>Euthanize him, at his friends request

>>5608421
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back
Give them no more than a month, if they fail euthanize.

>>5608437
+1

>>5608437
The issue isn't time, the issue is our top starseers meeting the same fate as him before we figure out what's happening.

>>5608416
So, we not going to war with this Supreme? I guess I’ll keep my thoughts on the previous thread to myself.

>>5608421
>Keep him alive for study
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back
I mean, we can do both before the euthanasia.

>>5608430
>>5608441
While a valid concern, he is our foremost expert in Starsight- losing him was already a blow.

Besides, I don’t really like the meme-Jedis- I’d rather we do Worm-Jaxian Hybrids desu.

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>>5608452
So Dune instead of Star Wars?

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>>5608452
>Worm-Jaxian Hybrids

>>5608452
>Worm-Jaxtian hybrid
Burn it before it multiplies

Starseers are great, maybe we can get a religion going and get rid of this dreadful state nihilism.

>>5608463
Ye- absolutely love the original movie and mini-series!

>>5608467
Actually, it’s the attempt to turn it into a religion and replace the current Hegemonic order is what I don’t like about. The state nihilism is a legitimate criticism, but I think trying to upset the narrative by turning it into Star Wars defeats the originality of the universe.

>>5608475
They don't really need to be space Jedis. That was only an name because they have...well, psychic-like powers in an space setting.

Either way, it's gonna be a time until we can make it into a religion. We've yet to unlock the full abilities of star sight.

>>5608421
>Euthanize him, at his friends request

I trust Radjo.

>>5608478
That’s the thing- I don’t want to make it into a religion, and I think turning the Hegemony into a Jihadist Revolutionary State won’t be as fun.

>>5608421
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back
>>5608494
>>5608467
its merely another dimension of reality nothing to worship more then a star burning away at its hydrogen into iron and its inhabitants just another alien of unknown ability and power

>>5608421
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back
No harm in trying first . We may even learn more information

>>5608421
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back

>>5608494
More fun than being cringe nihilists with unironical "god doesn't exist therefore morality is fake and being evil is fine" philosophy

>>5608535
belief in souls won't necessarily fix that. It's just another path to the hegemony's goal of essentially BECOMING god by controlling everything and defeating entropy.

>>5608421
>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back

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>>5608467
>>5608475
>>5608535
Still unrefuted.

>>5608535
Better than Akule becoming Mohammad and the Hegemony immediately genociding the other species on principle.

>>5608567
?

>>5608421
>>Euthanize him, at his friends request
It is mercy

>>5608421
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.
They have their own starseers, right? Perhaps they've had some experience of this?

>>5608660
>Better than Akule becoming Mohammad and the Hegemony immediately genociding the other species on principle.
They already genocided everyone else on principle.

They just did it while being reddit atheists.

>>5608421
>>Keep him alive for study

>>5608421
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.
If this doesn't work
>>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back

>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.
This seems reasonable, they said they were looking into The Cyte, right?

And we haven't heard from the seekers for a long ass time.

>>5608421
>>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.

Sounds like a plan.

>>5608427
>Keep him alive for study
"Radjo, if a pair of eyes are thrown away they will cease to transmit sight back to the body. Since Tetak is still receiving thoughts, there must still be a link between the body and the consciousness. The ancients had the concept of a 'silver cord' connecting the body to the spiritual projection. I'd like you to find this connection, and if possible reel Tetak's mind back to his body".

>Also contact the Seekers to get their advice.

Rolled 1 (1d2)

It's truly amazing how bananas managed to cultivate the worst playerbase on the board. At this point I'm wondering if he's doing this on purpose to see how many chimp-outs he can farm out of his monke quest.
1- he's oblivious
2- it's deliberate

It's a civ quest which is well written and deals with political issues. Is it any surprise that themes from pol show up?

>>5608891
It seems out of character for a guy who just lambasted sprotual thought as criminal wrongthink to then know more about the mystic theory underpinning Tetak's Jedi training academy than Radjo, his prodigy pupil...

But I think your thinking!

>>5608895
It's only a few very loud and very active players.

>>5608901
I think anon meant how rude, belligerent, whiny, and persistent certain layers get. You know, the ones who constantly doompost about how the quest is worse now than it used to be and could never, ever get better again, here and in the /qtg/. I honestly don't know why those guys keep playing, but they are only a fraction of the playerbase.

>>5608421
>Keep him alive for study

>>5608421
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.
It sounds like something they would both know and be willing to help us with.

>>5608904
Didn't Wrix' genocide cause a mass spergout that actually made Bananas speak up?

>>5608421
>>5608431
Switching to
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.
Do what they say.

>>5608421

Changing >>5608427 to
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena

Good thinking, >>5608766 !

>>5608489
>>5608421

Changing from euthanize to....
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena

>>5608966
Who but the Supreme would have access to old timey heretical documents?

>>5608494
>Jihadist Revolutionary Monkey State in Space
That actually sounds very fun.

>>5608528
>>5608421
I'm a bit hesitant, but I'll also change my vote to
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena

>>5608437
>>5608421

Changing to
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena

Euthanize - 1
Study - 3 + 1/2 = 3.5
Starseers - 4 + 2/2 = 6
Seekers - 8 + 1/2 = 8.5

Any desire for a standardized way to track split votes / multi-votes?

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The first idea that comes to mind is to contact the Seekers- the foremost experts in Starsight in your galactic neighborhood. Despite the fact they are spiritualists, and seemingly worship computers no less, they are still the closest thing you have to allies.

But even as you try to contact them; you find everything extremely old and outdated. Even the oldest channels are dead silent. You can't even find a signal coded to be from them in their own spatial territory.

“My lordship- we have received no contact from the Seekers for... well, generations now. Hundreds of years. The last time was during Eoba II's rule. Before even I was a Supreme Ruler.”
”Well, where are they then Cijan? Have they been destroyed?”
“Nobody knows. We have just seen their space being slowly consumed by Consortium beacons claiming it; which is even more surprisingly given we once assumed they were the technological powerhouse in our local space; even beyond our own. Their AI technology was incredible- at least, until the Threemind was finished...”

With no way to get any information, you're stuck. Instead, the “lost” Tetak will have to recovered another way. You gather your most powerful Starseers in an attempt to find his “presence” in deep space and bring him back.

“Tetak was my mentor- I volunteer.” Radjo says. As an accomplished Starseer himself, and the first sighted Jaxtian to develop the ability, he's certainly earned his place among the team. Meditating around Tetak's body, currently held in medical suspension to slow down damage to his brain, the Starseers reach out in an attempt to bring back the ex-Supreme Candidate...

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You've made a mistake.

“ARRRGGHH! NOT A WORM! TOO MANY! MANY WORMS, AAHHH!”
”NOOO! RADJO! MY SWEET BABY BOY! Noooo-”

As the Starseers focused and attempted to bring Tetak's “presence” back to his body, separated by uncountable and unknowable lightyears, they began to follow his path as best they could. And as they did- they shared in his fate. Each one was winked out- their bodies spasming and falling to the ground, each one becoming the same as Tetak.

”Radjo-! I am your Supreme Ruler! You can hear me- your father is here!”
”He's- He can't hear us!”
”I command you to tell us what is happening to you! Any information can be vital!”

Jale Berax looks up at you with a mix of anger and disbelief- but says nothing.

“I- I'm in darkness! The world is spinning! Galaxies are passing me- I am somewhere far, far away! I can't- I can't hold on anymore... Where am I?”

It seems whatever force, far beyond your own Starseers abilities, ripped your Starseer's minds apart- flinging their consciousness into deep space. Each has been Absolutely Disassociated. It is clear that the worms are behind it- beings far beyond your own in the powers of Starsight- leaving you with no defense. Over the next two weeks- the Starseers caught in the trap, as well as Tetak, slowly die from overloaded brains, their bodies breaking down from the stress and overexertion. This happened even to your experts in the talent- trying to send more will only kill more of your own people- and the migrators you included too. And you cannot do anything about it.

This Starseer thing has been a disaster- and so early in your reign too!

It's hard to overstate how important Starsight is for your empire. Despite them being a tiny minority of the Jaxtian population; Starseers are used for almost all interstellar travel. Everything from planetary colonization, warships, aquiring rare and useful resources like Azurium and BAG, and transport ships and other forms of industry. Now, they're at a serious risk.

While the Starseers not involved in this whole Tetak fiasco are unaffected, it's only a question of what can possibly set this off. Tetak himself, as well as all the ones who tried to bring him back, were caught up in some kind of lethal trap or encountered some kind of “entity” that had the capability to do this. If an enemy could disassociate one of your important navigators during a military campaign, or even just disrupting your supply and industrial routes- it would do serious damage. Plus, recruitment for Starseers among the general Jaxtian population is already extremely low given it involves being forcibly blinded, and this certainly won't help.

”Threes- has anything like this ever happened before?”
“No, your grace. Starsight was always assumed to be safe; though it was always possible for a Starseer to “sense” and “integrate” with another “presence” in warp-space, it was never thought it could be weaponized.”
”If anyone could figure that out, it would be the worms, wouldn't it...”
“Suggestion- Risk management. Avoid using Starseers whenever possible and allow me to simulate Starsight-Navigation.”
”Wouldn't that be less efficient?”
“It would. Also, not accurate enough for a wartime use or outfleet activity- Cijan's crusade could not have succeeded without its Migrator Starseers.”
”Any other options?”
“Ignore this as a one-off event. Forbid existing Starseers from shifting their focus too much from established objectives. Tetak's logs claim he was investigating “mid range presences” when he was disassociated, normal Starsight navigation for Starships focused on celestial bodies such as moons, planets, stars, and so on- and has never resulted in loss of a Starseer in this way.”
”I see. But...”
“You're going to ask if I am capable of Starsight myself. I could be.”

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”Like the Seekers computers?”
“Yes. But it would require significant changes to my mental circuitry across the AI network, giving me more ability to reprogram myself and self-directed thinking; akin to a personality or free-will to direct my actions. This would be a significant risk in the event I became prodigal, as some AIs in the past without the Hegemony's safety guidelines have done. I could not guarantee I could be trusted once given this level of freedom. Also, there is no guarantee I couldn't be disassociated in the exact same way; and then a system-wide reset and scrubbing of all previous data would be needed to reset the personality-less network in order to “revive” me. The entire AI network would be down and useless during this time. I do not recommend this course of action.”

Now you have to decide how to handle the aftermath of this- you're quite literally feeling around in the dark on this one. No Supreme Ruler has ever actually had Starsight themselves, and you have no idea the exact ins-and-outs of how it works. Plus, there is so much more that your species does not know about it- you can't be sure if it's safe or not. All you do know is that your enemies are becoming more determined if they can strike this kind of vulnerability. What's the best course of action here?

>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on
>Allow your AI to gain free will and unshackle its safety restraints
>Carry on for now

>>5609739
Oh lovely- another disaster. At least we knew we weren’t going to war with the culture memery.
>Allow your AI to gain free will and unshackle its safety restraints
or
>Carry on for now
Totally won’t lead to more problems bros.

>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.
Always knew we were going to have to resort to mass cloning for Starseer numbers.

>>5609744
Can everyone please refrain from posting multi-votes from now on? It only complicates the voting process and makes it harder to tally them up at the end (which is one of the reasons I was trying to "recruit" people ITT to do it for me). Just pick the one you like more or determine it randomly if you can't decide.

>>5609746
Then
>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.
I don’t really give a shit about the others

>>5609739
>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on

>>5609739
I'm wondering if this is a situation in which the best solution is not in the given options. (Like the time long ago where we determined the most efficient way to travel among the stars was space cows.)

>>5609768
The most efficient solution would’ve been euthanasia- this is the consequences of our poor choice. No hint, no secret solution- only a choice on how to deal with the disaster.

I would choose Weaponize or AI personally- they’re the more interesting options.

>>5609744
>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.
I would rather try something proactive.

>>5609739
>Forbid Starsight
I have a feeling that the Seekers got hit by this... Star-blindness.
Would creating a separate AI just to become a Starseer and then loading up instructions to 'fuck whoever's behind this shit up' when they get dissociated a good way to weaponize it? Or maybe even unshackling it if it got dissociated?

>>5608535
god has not been proven ever is the thing just people making up shit and drawing random conclusions and if god exists what are they but just another alien being

>>5609739
>lol everyone is dead fuck you
wow, feels great

i warned you fuckin' people about not using the starseers, now Radjo instantly died and we never got to see him hit his full potential.

>>5609739
>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on
I guess the fun monke jedi path just got aborted, hurray.

>>5609843
Fun is not allowed, only reddit nihilism and hazaar are allowed.

>>5609739
>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on

The worms are literal experts in this area with thousands of years of practice - no chance of us beating them

We should research tech alternatives to start sight (wormholes?)

>>5609739
>Begin research into creating a Space Whale-Migrator hybrid combing the most powerful Starseer natural species with the malleable and capable migrators. In the future this creature can perhaps work as a "beacon", a bright light in the darkness to lead those hit with Absolute Disassociate. Beyond that continue a normal stopping the research mid range presences.

>>5609764
>>5609774
>>5609843
>>5609860

Forbidding Starsight is exactly what they want and we have invested tons into this method of FTL. We can't abandon it because we fell for a trap once, if they start destroying our normal travel lane sure but after losing some men during research? While we have extensively improved Jaxtians with the DNA of other species perhaps we can do the same with Migrators and create even more powerful Starseers to counter the worms.

>>5609868
The issue with that is that if they stop our lanes then our empire will be dead in the water, whereas if we switch to auxiliary power now it's less efficient but safer

Also, gonna be honest, people are just gonna ignore everything you say, i warn people every single thread about stupid decisions and it never works

>>5609872
Don't be a Doomer now, if you promote good discussion and present logical alternatives people will vote for them. As for FTL alternatives once again this is but a single incident that happened during cutting-edge research, it would be like if we forbid all plane travel across the world after 9/11 indefinitely.

>>5609877
We can look into an alternative, but we need to make sure our empire won't just stop dead in the water. The economy needs to flow.

>>5609879
We can just revert to blind hopping, we did it before we discovered Starseers and plenty of our normal trade still does it. It's just not efficient for military usage and exploration. Remember we were using hyperspace FTL without Starseers for quite a while.

>>5609882
Yes, we were using it through computers. Which is one of the options here.

>>5609739
>>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on
We lost Radjo and several Supreme candidates. This is a disaster.

>>5609885
The option is to ban Starsight and use blind hopping instead, which will hamper our empire's abilities to operate in a knee-jerk reaction to a terrorist attack.

>>5609886
Please reconsider, this was a single attack on a lone researcher.

>>5609890
If just 'looking' into tetak resulted in all these characters dead, it's clear bananas wants to destroy as much as he can.

If we vote for that, we'll probably get an instantenous, un-reversable death of all migrators.

>>5609890
>single attack
And how would you know that?

Forbidding starsight isn't going to protect the migrators and we'd like non-ai based starsight for our wars.

>>5609747
>support
Mass clone starseers and invest in a heavy psi-war program. We might be sending children to fight against monsters, so mass produce them. Hopefully enough mind-knives will bring them down.

In the meantime, build some UV ships and develop a basic navigator-sensor device so we can find the worm-mass without being mind-devoured. I don't think that our psi-war program will be developed enough to rely on it fully, but throwing hordes of child soldiers at the worms might be enough to distract them and let the light ships get close enough to torch them.

>>5609739
>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.