>>5575952

Voting:
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>>5575952
>>5575952
>Take a moment to center yourself and use your greater perception to predict Rix’s moves, perhaps there is a path to victory through finesse and prediction.
I deleted my previous vote so your other post wouldn't be separated

>>5575952
>Take a moment to center yourself and use your greater perception to predict Rix’s moves, perhaps there is a path to victory through finesse and prediction.

>>5575968
Thanks for that, anon. Makes the start of the thread look a bit nicer.

>>5575968
>>Take a moment to center yourself and use your greater perception to predict Rix’s moves, perhaps there is a path to victory through finesse and prediction.

>>5575952
>Take a moment to center yourself and use your greater perception to predict Rix’s moves, perhaps there is a path to victory through finesse and prediction
Give me my ultra instinct Max Holloway moment

>>5575952
>>Take a moment to center yourself and use your greater perception to predict Rix’s moves, perhaps there is a path to victory through finesse and prediction.

>>5575952
>Take a moment to center yourself and use your greater perception to predict Rix’s moves, perhaps there is a path to victory through finesse and prediction.

>>5575968
>>5575969
>>5575973
>>5575977
>>5575982
>>5576001
Writing.

Weaving back and forth you avoid the worst of Rix’s relentless attacks, voiding and blocking where you can but becoming ever more aware that each foiled strike is bringing you closer to defeat, wearing you down blow by blow. You sneak another punch past as Rix dodges a touch too slowly, not quite dipping to the side in time; the impact shakes up your arm, but it’s not a solid hit. That quick blow to his cheek only seems to encourage Rix, and he presses in even more aggressively, arms still just hammering away at you.

This isn’t going to work. Thinking quickly, searching for any path to victory, you fall back upon your greatest strength: your perceptions. Simply reacting to and making occasional counterattacks won’t do, you need to press a level deeper than that, you need to know Rix’s attacks before he even begins to move.

Exhaling, you try to center yourself, sharpening your perception as you’ve done so many times before, expanding your awareness and yet remaining focused upon Rix to the exclusion of all else, seeing him as he is before you while also glimpsing something far deeper - You can feel his mind, the edges of it a dim light among the black, old and narrow in its focus and yet still there just as surely as any other. . The next punch comes in, but you’ve already moved out of the way, and the next, but again you’re simply not there - You sneak a couple of hits past even as Rix’s face begins to grow more perplexed, twisting up in confusion just as the twin hits impact. There’s still no effect, there’s just not enough force to rattle him, and he presses in, almost goaded by the strikes. You give him another, and dodge, and another, and another - His defenses are collapsing, and you begin to smile. It’s a purely instinctive reaction, a combative thrill rushing through you as victory is once again in sight…

And then you feel it. You understand perfectly as Rix realizes a profound truth about your fight.

You hit hard, but not quite hard enough, and he can take it.

Oh no.

>>5576165

Pushing forward even as you rain blows down on him and move away, Rix nearly slams into you, running you down and just accepting the hits he has to take to close the distance, the first of his own blows managing to land again - As the wind is knocked out of you your focus slips, the moment of perfect awareness dissolving in a flash of bright pain, and then another. You reel backwards, recover, dodge, and then take another blow to the gut - You focus breaks completely, and suddenly you find yourself unable to keep up at the same pace as a moment before, dodging what you perceived as a hit only to find you’ve fallen for a faint. Your head snaps upward as Rix’s gloved fist connects, and for a half a moment the world narrows to a dark tunnel, a hazy view of the ceiling high above you… Blinking, you clear your head slowly, back against the ropes as one of the instructors calls out something. Rix takes a step back, the punches ceasing entirely, and it takes a while for your senses to come back to you.

“...is the winner. Cadet Mass, are you alright?” The instructor asks, slipping into the ring.

“...Yes, sir.” You answer, the color and sharpness of the world returning - Damn, Rix hits like a freight train.

“Alright, good. Hell of a fight there at the end, but that’s enough from both of you. Next pair, get up here!” The instructor shouts, and an eager look Tiff enters alongside a blond girl you’ve only spoken briefly to a handful of times, Zenna. Going to be another clear winner in that fight…

Rix is at your side as you leave the ring, one hand on your shoulder as soon as you’re both out, laughing heartily and seemingly just having a grand old time after knocking you nearly senseless, “Noo that wis a proper fight, pity we cannae go anither few roonds. Shook me up for seicond or two there…”

He rubs at the side of his face, and then moves his jaw around a bit carefully to test how it feels, “Aye, going tae feel some o' they for a few days. You?”

“Could have gone a couple more rounds at least,” You smile, unsure how much more of that you actually could have taken, “We’ll have to do it again.”

“Aye.” Rix nods in agreement, chuckling, but his eyes aren’t on you anymore as Izumi and the other approach.

“An excellent battle, if a hopeless one.” She says with clear approval, standing straight and tall as she looks over you both, “Seeking unbeatable foes is a noble pursuit, Max.”

“Unbeatable?” Rix questions, his chest puffing up a bit and his arm slipping away from you, “Ah like th' sound o' that.”

“A brutish sport.” Blare comments, looking over to the fight that’s just begun between Zenna and Tiff a little nervously, “But one undoubtedly one which suits your talents, Rix.”

>>5576168

Your siblings and the two Zabis aren’t far away, heading over to you now.

>”Hey, Edouard, want to go for a few rounds here in a bit? It’s been a while.” A bit of proper practice against a solid opponent.
>”Garma, how'd you rate that fight? Got the seal of Zabi approval for our performance?" A bit of smart-assery. Poking at your disguise doesn't bother you quite so much now that it won't matter in a few more months anyways.
>”Doesn’t seem to suit you as much though… yet. Want to practice a bit, Blare?” He could use some more help, but it'll be slow and tedious work.
>Write-in.

>>5576170
>”Hey, Edouard, want to go for a few rounds here in a bit? It’s been a while.” A bit of proper practice against a solid opponent.

>>5576170
>>”Hey, Edouard, want to go for a few rounds here in a bit? It’s been a while.” A bit of proper practice against a solid opponent.
Bro before bros

>>5576170
1)
>”Doesn’t seem to suit you as much though… yet. Want to practice a bit, Blare?” He could use some more help, but it'll be slow and tedious work.
>”Garma, how'd you rate that fight? Got the seal of Zabi approval for our performance?" A bit of smart-assery. Poking at your disguise doesn't bother you quite so much now that it won't matter in a few more months anyways.

2)
>”Doesn’t seem to suit you as much though… yet. Want to practice a bit, Blare?” He could use some more help, but it'll be slow and tedious work.

3)
>”Garma, how'd you rate that fight? Got the seal of Zabi approval for our performance?" A bit of smart-assery. Poking at your disguise doesn't bother you quite so much now that it won't matter in a few more months anyways.

We helped him with the shooting, right? This could be good practice.

>>5576170
>”Hey, Edouard, want to go for a few rounds here in a bit? It’s been a while.” A bit of proper practice against a solid opponent.

>>5576172
Changing to
1)
>”Doesn’t seem to suit you as much though… yet. Want to practice a bit, Blare?” He could use some more help, but it'll be slow and tedious work.
2)
>”Hey, Edouard, want to go for a few rounds here in a bit? It’s been a while.” A bit of proper practice against a solid opponent.

>>5576170
>”Hey, Edouard, want to go for a few rounds here in a bit? It’s been a while.” A bit of proper practice against a solid opponent.
Time for some brotherly bonding

>>5576186
>>5576177
>>5576171
>>5576179 (2nd)
Writing.

“Hey, Edouard, want to go for a few rounds here in a bit?” You call out to your brother, stepping away from Rix and the others for a moment after giving them a small nod, “It’s been a while.”

“It has, Max.” Your brother agrees, a competitive twinkle in his blue eyes, “That was quite the showing a moment ago.”

“It’s almost as if you could see his moves before he made them,” Vivima comments wryly, smirking and shaking her head in amusement, “Or maybe I was just imagining things.”

“Cut it, Viv.” Sayla prompts her quietly, shooting Vivima a mildly concerned look. The Zabi does so, but only after giving a small shrug. The two of them were just off at Dr. Flanagan’s research facility over the weekend, so newtypes being fresh on their mind is hardly a surprise.

“It was what it was,” You reply nonchalantly, “Made a promise to fight him before I left last week, and I keep my word.”

“Hardly the first time you’ve shown that,” Vivima agrees, complimenting you with almost uncharacteristic warmth, something about her demeanor striking you at once as easier going, as if she’s finally relaxed after months of tension whenever she was near you in the past.

“What’s gotten into you, Viv?” Garma asks, noticing the change at once and not hesitating to call it out. She’s not an unpleasant girl, and often rather warm and wholesome with her family at least, but the change in tone is unmistakable and Garma looks positively baffled.

Vivima just smiles, a hint of innocent mischief to it, her voice as sweet as ever when she speaks, “Nothing, I just had a very… enlightening conversation over the weekend with a shared friend of ours, she was very insightful.”

Does she mean Tryphosa?

“Whatever caused it, I like it!” Garma beams, wrapping his arm around his sister - she doesn’t shy away from it, accepting the moment of familial closeness, “Sayla, you should bring her with you more often if this is how she comes back.”

“Hey,” A bit of an edge returns to Vivima’s voice, violet eyes narrowing as she gives her brother a mildly annoyed look, “I’ve always been great.”

“Sure you have.” Garma doesn’t argue. It’s… good to see them close like this? It’s hard to wish ill on them even with your final goals for their family, you can’t help but see your own relationship with your brother and sister in theirs.

>>5576360

“Looks like we’ll have the ring again soon.” Casval comments, watching on as Tiff and Zenna go at it. It’s an almost eerie mirror of your match against Rix, except Tiff’s advantage over her taller opponent seems to be coming more from the sheer violence of her assault rather than immense physical ability - She’s a vicious little monster, and Zenna’s not nearly as skilled as you are. It will be a short match.

>”They run the tests on you too, Viv?” You can’t discuss newtype activity directly, but talking around it should be safe enough.
>”Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” Might
>Onto the match with your brother! Glorious battle awaits!
>Write-in.

>>5576361
>”Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” Might

>>5576361
Second voting option should end with: Might want to discuss that while you have time, it won't be long now.

>>5576361
>”They run the tests on you too, Viv?” You can’t discuss newtype activity directly, but talking around it should be safe enough.

>>5576361
>”Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” Might want to discuss that while you have time, it won't be long now.

>>5576367
We can always talk with Vivima about newtypes later, but I feel like talking about the medical training is on a time limit.

>>5576361
>”They run the tests on you too, Viv?” You can’t discuss newtype activity directly, but talking around it should be safe enough.

>>5576361
>”Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” Might want to discuss that while you have time, it won't be long now.

>>5576361

>”They run the tests on you too, Viv?” You can’t discuss newtype activity directly, but talking around it should be safe enough

>>5576362
>>5576367
>>5576381
Sayla.

>>5576382
>>5576380
>>5576366
Vivima.

Got a tie, hopefully it'll be broken when I check in the morning.

>>5576415
I would switch my vote, but I feel like working towards making sure Casval and Artesia reconcile is important (and maybe any information we get could be the start of some plan we'll make? I just wish Vivima and Garma weren't here so that we could speak more in private).

>>5576361
>>”Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” Might want to discuss that while you have time, it won't be long now.

>>5576415
I"ll swap to Sayla
>>5576361
>>5576366
>”Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” Might

>>5576361
>>”Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” Might

>>5576362
>>5576367
>>5576381
>>5576460
>>5576525
>>5576766
Writing.

“Sayla, you start your medical training soon, don’t you?” You ask your sister, ignoring the match for now even as it seems to have captured your brother’s attention for a moment, Tiff’s shouting of insults being quite unsportsmanlike but more than a bit entertaining.

“In just over a week!” Sayla confirms happily, though Garma looks rather gloomy about the prospect, “Extra classes and I’ll be away some but it should work out. Got to be ready for the exercises in a few months, right?”

“You’ll make a good medic.” Garma says, attempting to be supportive despite his clear misgivings about separating, “And an even better doctor in a few years.”

“Thanks, Garma.” Your sister responds sweetly, “I won’t be gone for that long, don’t look so down.”

“Down? No, I’m happy for you, it's a worthwhile goal.” He half lies, but you can tell at once that he’s at least genuinely trying, a few months ago he probably would have thrown a small fit, “Zeon needs more brilliant doctors, I’m sure you’ll be one of the best some day… I’ll just miss having you around as often in my unit.”

A few of the other cadets are clearly listening in on the conversation, a couple exchanging glances and even daring to whisper to one another. There had already been a few rumors about Sayla and Garma being together, little tidbits of gossip you’d caught wind of now and again, but this is probably the closest to a public display they’ve ever gotten. No one could mistake the look Garma’s giving your sister right now.

“Brilliant doctor? She’s got something more important in mind than just that, isn’t that right?” Vivima asks, and after a moment of hesitation Sayla nods.

“There’s a lot of important research that needs to be done.” Your sister agrees. Doesn’t take a genius to guess what they’re both on about after their trip.

>”...They run the tests on you too, Viv?”
>”However you end up helping people, you've always got my support, Sayla.”
>Onto the match with your brother!
>Write-in.

>>5576933
>”However you end up helping people, you've always got my support, Sayla.”

>>5576933
>”However you end up helping people, you've always got my support, Sayla.”
>"It's what always made you happy."
Artesia being a newtype researcher could be very useful, since it would help some of the others from going too far.

>>5576933
>>”However you end up helping people, you've always got my support, Sayla.”

I'll +1 >>5576937 's write-in as well

>>5576933
>”...They run the tests on you too, Viv?”
I'm a bit hesitant on having her as a researcher for Flanagan, cosidering what happens to them after the war and the fact that Artesia is better at comms.

>>5576937
While true, my fear is that she'll make them loyal to the Zabis instead of to us.

>>5576933
>”...They run the tests on you too, Viv?”

>>5576994
That's actually a good point, cause it's in Kycilia's plans to make her a scientist.

>>5576933

>>5576994 makes a good point, so I'm changing my vote >>5576946 to
>>”...They run the tests on you too, Viv?”

>>5576933
1.
>”...They run the tests on you too, Viv?”
2.
>Onto the match with your brother!

>>5576999
Kycilia is a big problem. She's put lots of investment in getting Artesia on her side, and Vivima is doing a good job at making the Zabis seem more humane.

Surprised that there's so many anons that aren't supporting Artesia. This has been her dream for years.

>>5577023
Kycilia existence makes people paranoid

>>5577023
It's not about being unsupportive, but circumstances are different with the Zabis. If it weren't for them I'd be down for it.
But it being a huge dream of hers does present a problem.

>>5577027
She's been the one to get the most out of the Deikuns coming back.
She doesn't disappoint. I'll admit she's one of my favorite characters from Gundam as a whole.

>>5576936
>>5576937
Sayla.

>>5576994
>>5576996
>>5577003
>>5577005
Viv.

Writing.

>>5577041
>I see I have a fellow Kycilia appreciator. She's also one of my favorites, but in the context of this quest I'm all for fighting and killing her.

>>5577041
>But it being a huge dream of hers does present a problem.
We might get through to her by having Garma push against it (which he already is, unless I'm not remembering well or something has changed). I don't think we should make ourselves openly be opposed to it.

>>5577041
To be fair, she probably is the most dangerous Zabi.
Gihren is also dangerous, but sometimes he does really stupid shit. While it makes it's hard to really plan around him, other times he shoots himself in the foot.

>>5577058
>>5577041
>unironic Kycilia simps
What the fuck?

“...They run the tests on you too, Viv?” You ask, trying to keep the question vague with so many other sets of ears nearby.

She brushes back her dark purple hair, smiling mischievously, “It took a bit of work, but I passed. It’s only natural that at least one of us would.”

The hair on the back of your neck stands up, your eyes widening every so slightly as she breaks the news so casually. Casval turns back to the conversation, his face calm and unreadable, that confidence he always carries so easily once again on full display - This is more important than any fight. Garma gives his sister a mildly confused look but doesn’t seem bothered, perhaps not understanding what’s being discussed.

“They got you your results back?” Sayla asks, cocking her head slightly, “I thought the data was too confused to be usable.”

“I just found out this morning, but our mutual friend knew as soon as we met.” Vivima answers, and if you didn’t know better you’d say she was almost giddy with excitement - but that kind of enthusiasm just doesn’t seem to fit her outside of a cockpit, “She didn’t tell you?”

Sayla looks around at some of the other cadets who are nearby around the ring and then speaks in a lower voice to avoid being overhead, “She said you were sleeping in a fog, I… I wasn’t sure what to make of that.”

“Mystery solved.” Viv smirks while Garma grows more visibly perplexed as the conversation stretches on.

“Welcome to the club, Vivima.” Edouard half congratulates her, something in his tone almost mocking - or perhaps it’s just your familiarity with him letting you pick up on that.

“What club? There’s a club?” A confused cadet, Lart, asks from nearby. He’s one of the ass kissers that follows Garma about, not a terrible guy really but his most remarkable quality is his inability to ever find something wrong with the Zabis.

“Of course there is, idiot, shut up.” One of Garma’s other friends hisses to Lart, quieting the over eager cadet down and pulling him a few steps away before he can fully barge into the conversation.

You choose to ignore the interruption, speaking directly to Viv, “One more thing in common then, that’s starting to be a long list. I’d trust… her over those tests any day, but how was the data confused? I don’t understand.”

Viv laughs at that, her voice sweet and clear, “You don’t understand? I’m sorry, that’s too perfect.”

Sayla takes a step closer to you to explain, leaving the new very confused Garma looking to your brother for an explanation - Edouard moves off to the side with him to speak, getting away from the other cadets.

>>5577090

“They got multiple results simultaneously.” Sayla whispers, not trying to hide the information from Vivima but rather just prying ears nearby, “Not quite like she was two people, but… confused, jumbled. Too much activity at once.”

“Confused?” You work over the word again, saying it slowly, testing its bounds as your mind races - You’ve felt similar things from her in the past, turbulent and almost overlapping emotions. It certainly felt like confusion, but you wouldn’t have thought of it as being anything out of the ordinary for someone conflicted about a passionate discussion like when she apologized at the party.

“...So you’re not… awake yet?” You finally ask, addressing Vivima again in a low voice.

Viv shrugs slightly, feathered purple hair swaying slightly, “Not yet, no. Perhaps it’s wishful thinking, but I do… sense things sometimes. Flashes of intuition.”

>”...We’ll discuss this another time, Viv.” This may not be the place for this, get on to your match.
>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.
>”Well, let me know when you stop sleeping on the job. Hey, Edouard, let's go!”
>Write-in.

>>5577092
>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.

>>5577092
>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.
I this going to be yet another time where we take someone flying and something happens?

>>5577092
>>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.

>>5577092
1)
>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.
2)
>”...We’ll discuss this another time, Viv.” This may not be the place for this, get on to your match.
I bet she was supposed to be our fucking newtype bond if Tryphosa didn't get it first.
Fuck, glad we bonded with the psyopt illuminati clone.

>>5577092
>>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.

>>5577092
>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.
Viv schizo confirmed. Knowing our luck she's the only waifu candidate who survives the OYW.

>>5577092
>>”Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” Maybe the similarities run deeper.

>>5577132
>Vivima surviving
Optimistic, kek. She'll definitely die from overconfidence and from trusting us.
>waifu candidate
She will fucking murder us and our entire family once she finds out our anti-Zabi and Neo-Zeon plans with Cas before she decides to go out with us.

>>5577151
Absolutely agreed, her surviving is worst case scenario. That's why it'll happen. We think we'll have successfully gotten her killed and then the next thing we know it's UC0093 and we're thrown into a Vivima's Counterattack sequel quest.

>>5577122
Personally, the idea of Viv being our newtype bond actually sounds really interesting. It would be very not good, but I can't help but wonder how Felix and siblings would feel about it, and how that relationship would unfold (or I guess tear apart) once the backstabbing begins.

>>5577162
Well for one thing it would be effectively impossible to hide anything from her, or vice versa. Would make everything a hell of a lot more complicated.

>>5577158
All that means is that we kill her personally. But that just means she'll come back as a newtype ghost in a clone.
>it's UC0093 and we're thrown into a Vivima's Counterattack sequel quest
Holy shit why does that sound unironically cool?

>>5577162
Artesia would support it maybe, Cas would be against it. It would be interesting yeah, but don't think it will happen since we have Tryphosa. And like the other anon said it would make hiding shit impossible.

>>5577108
>>5577119
>>5577121
>>5577122
>>5577124
>>5577132
>>5577149
Writing.

“Happens more often when you’re flying, doesn’t it?” You question, a vague sense of familiarity suddenly all about you, only your siblings' unique auras cutting through the strange feeling. There’s an almost ineffable similarity between you which your mind brushes up against, and you catch a hint of that confused emotion you sometimes become aware of, a turbulent sea of emotions within Vivima that seems to have settled now, united for a moment.

“...It does.” She agrees slowly, violet eyes glinting strangely, as if they were reflecting some unseen light in the space between you, “It always has. You’re the same, aren’t you?”

“...I am.” You answer, finding it strangely easy to speak genuinely despite your misgivings and despite the uncertainties this revelation about Vivima’s nature brings with it, “It’s like it’s waiting for me every time I fly, that sense of awareness. The stars and space help to bring it out, they… nurture it.”

She moves closer to you now, speaking even more quietly, her voice such a low whisper that even Sayla might struggle to make it out, violet eyes intensely focused, “We’re of a kind, Felix.”

“Maybe this isn’t the best place for this?” Sayla whispers before you can respond to Viv, your sister’s blue eyes looking around uncertainly and her blond hair swishing about as she looks to the other cadets nearby.

“You’re right.” Vivima says, still quiet, taking half a step back but remaining close, “There’s no need to rush something that’s beyond time. It’s inevitable, our dreams are nearly the same.”

“...Just what kind of conversation did you have with her?” You question, the choice of words clearly not Vivima’s own - You can almost hear Tryphosa through her, a phantom voice.

“We talked about the nature of things. Bonds…” Vivima’s words are heavy in the air even as she still speaks in barely a whisper, “And family, and dreams. I like her, she understands.”

“...She does.” You nod, unable to deny that truth but somewhat shaken by what it means - Tryphosa understands everyone well except for herself, but this feels like more than that.

>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
>”...How many more of us do you think there are?”
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]
>Write-in.

>>5577330
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
Oh shit, Viv might really be our natural bond, with Tryphosia's being an artifical one

>>5577330
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
This'll go a long way to garner her trust I think.

>>5577330
1)
>”...How many more of us do you think there are?”
2)
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]
I don't want to risk fully awakening Vivima's newtype stuff.

>>5577330
>>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”

Goddamn, did that one anon call it?

Wait a fucking minute, is it possible for someone to get two bonds at once? Or to replace an artificial bond with a real one?

>>5577339
That's what I was assuming.

>>5577339
I'm assuming the first one

>>5577347
>>5577348
Yeah, in that case flying with her will probably make us form it. I'd be all for taking risks but I really don't want to chance this shit.
But if we do go with this we need to bring other people with us to distract her, if just for the excuse that we don't want this shit to look like a date.

>>5577330
>>5577336
Changing vote
1)
>”...How many more of us do you think there are?”
2)
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
>"We should bring more people. Casval, Artesia, Garma, want to come with?"
3)
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]

>>5577357
Seems like a good idea actually.
I'll change mine >>5577333 to support it

>>5577360
Supporting the write-in with inviting people to come with or my vote in general? Don't want to cause misunderstanding.

>>5577364
I support getting more people, but your vote in general works too.
I kind want to bond with Vv to see what would happen, but it would make getting rid of the Zabis really hard.

>>5577330
1)
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]
2)
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
>"We should bring more people. Casval, Artesia, Garma, want to come with?"
3)
>”...How many more of us do you think there are?”
Going flying just means we'll bond with Vivima, meaning we won't be able to keep anything from the one person who wants to make the Zabis win no matter what. The write in helps but it might not be enough.
Talking to her about more newtypes might inspire her but she probably already has plans.
To anyone thinking about Vivi being the waifu of choice just remember what she said about us looking like a girl and that we should grow our hair. If we go with her it's the pegged femboy Felix route.

>>5577330
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”

>>5577330
1.
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]
2.
>”...How many more of us do you think there are
3.
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
>"We should bring more people. Casval, Artesia, Garma, want to come with?"
Only supporting this if it means we aren't going to fly alone with her. Otherwise ignore the 3)

>>5577380
>>5576996
>>5576999
Past ID, I'm phoneposting.

>>5577330
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”

>>5577058
How did I mess up the formatting that much?

>>5577070
Don't worry, I know she's a bad bitch.

>>5577334
I think she already trusts us man.

>>5577330
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]
Even if it won't come to anything this might look like a date to the Zabis, and we'll be in deep shit if they believe that their precious little sister is just the mistress/leftovers of some other guy.
Also why do people want to bond with Vivima? It'll probably ruin any hope we have of trying to take back Zeon.

>>5577330
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”

>>5577398
>I think she already trusts us man.
Enough to do what we ask without a second thought? It'll be a lot easier in the future if we do all the ground work now and that means flying with her. Also I'm not particularly convinced we'll bond with her if we do.

>>5577330
>>5577398
Changing my vote to:
1)
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]

2)
>”...How many more of us do you think there are

3)
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
>"We should bring more people. Casval, Artesia, Garma, want to come with?"

I don't like the other choices, but I'm willing to compromise if it means we don't go on what's basically a date with her or something.

>>5577400
>Enough to do what we ask without a second thought?
I see where you getting at, but I don't think that'll ever happen.

>Also I'm not particularly convinced we'll bond with her if we do.
I also thought the same when hugging Tryphosa in Texas, and I didn't know that helping her would allow a character switch when we were at Eb's.
What I'm saying is that Contolist has done this sort of thing before when this type of wording was being used.

>>5577407
>Contolist has done this sort of thing before
Well you're not wrong, I just can't think of any examples of it happening in UC.

I'm doing a quick count

Fly
>>5577334
>>5577337
>>5577376
>>5577399

Fly + Others
>>5577357 (2nd)
>>5577360 (2nd)
>>5577374


Newtypes
>>5577357
>>5577360
>>5577380 (2nd)
>>5577402 (2nd)

Skip
>>5577374
>>5577380
>>5577402

Seems the bet for anons that don't want to fly is asking how many more there are, since in a tie between skipping and flying, the second vote for newtype is the write-in of flying with others

Actually, fuck it
>>5577360
>>5577333
Changing again to
1)
>Time for glorious fraternal combat! [End scene]
2)
>”...How many more of us do you think there are
3)
>”...Want to go flying together, Viv?”
>"We should bring more people. Casval, Artesia, Garma, want to come with?"

>>5577410
I didn't expect clones to exist in UC either, but apparently Tryphosa and her sisters are just that. So I'm not feeling particularly reassured.

>>5577413
Thank you for the tally.man.

>>5577420
>UC
We'll, this early on in the Universal Century at least.

>>5577420
Fair enough. We're off the rails, hard to tell what happens next.

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Alright, so I think that tally vote >>5577413 was accurate, and then with this >>5577419 change we have a tie between Fly and Skip. I'll give things another hour.

>>5577423
It's never too early for UC stuff to be weird and funky.

Miscounted (twice, deleted a post to fix it). Skip should have been the winner when I posted >>5577436 I just missed a vote.

>>5577374
>>5577380
>>5577402
>>5577419
>>5577357 (3rd)
Writing.

>>5577436
Hell yeah!
Also I think you might've counted someone twice.

>>5577425
That's why I'm feeling that there's a potential get a newtype bond with her if we're don't watch out for it. I at least want to bring the others around to minimize it.
I have a feeling things will really start to get out there when the Dawn Rebellion is supposed to start.

>>5577456
My bet is that probably will end up bonding with her eventually, unless we specifically go out of our way to not work with her.
So we should probably try to do as much as we can before it happens

>>5577460
You have a point there. Though I'm sure Tryphosa can tell us ways to prevent it from happening, since I think she was prepared to interfere any possible bonding between her sister and Artesia.

Soon your brother returns from his side conversation with Garma, the Zabi left looking perplexed and taking Sayla and Vivima aside to discuss things with them in hushed tones, the cadet who usually flock about the Zabis being wave away for some added privacy. Rix and Izumi have been watching on for a little while now, both clearly interested in what’s happening but unwilling to approach. Tiff and Zenna’s fight draws to an end, Tiff of course having emerged as the victor - perhaps out of a sheer willingness to throw herself entirely into acts of violence if nothing else.

Soon you’re in the ring, facing off with Edouard, something you haven’t had a chance to do for nearly two months now. Newtypes and political maneuvering might be complicated, brain bendingly so, but at least there’s something simple and fun to clear your mind of all of that confusion - There’s nothing like a bit of brotherly combat!

...Several weeks later.

Time passes quickly in the academy, such regimented life providing little opportunity for much besides education, training, and making some new friends and connections among the other cadets. Classes and exercises blend together, and even Sayla going off at times to participate simultaneously in medical training was barely a hiccup to the schedule. She has been rather worn out since the beginning of the medical program, but so far it hasn’t caused her to fall behind significantly elsewhere and Garma’s watching out for her when he can - Viv too. You’ve not had much of a chance to speak with her in greater detail about her time with Tryphosa, her position as cadet choir leader and the tutoring program that Garma helped institute keeping both of you separate most of the time.

Rumors about your family’s relationship with the Zabis have begun to spread around, but they all seem to be far off the mark; that you’re on unusually good terms with them is obvious for everyone to see though, even the instructors have taken notice. …It won’t be much longer now before Dozle proposes to your mother, but that’s still in the future.

What’s going on in the academy today? (Choose one to focus on):
>A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.
>Weapons training. You’re all finally moving on to proper service rifles and ranges that might prove a bit more challenging. Izumi's got a competitive look about her today.
>...It’s late in the day, after classes and training, and you’re taking the time to speak with someone (Write-in for who).

>>5577485
>Weapons training. You’re all finally moving on to proper service rifles and ranges that might prove a bit more challenging. Izumi's got a competitive look about her today.

>>5577485
>>Weapons training. You’re all finally moving on to proper service rifles and ranges that might prove a bit more challenging. Izumi's got a competitive look about her today.
Pewpew

>>5577485
1)
>A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.
This is probably the ideal one if we're going for getting some of the cadets on our side.

2)
>...It’s late in the day, after classes and training, and you’re taking the time to speak with someone (Write-in for who).
>Blare
It's possible we could actually bring him into the fold if we really tired, though it'll be a work in progress.

3)
>...It’s late in the day, after classes and training, and you’re taking the time to speak with someone (Write-in for who).
>Char
This is just out of curiosity.

4)
>...It’s late in the day, after classes and training, and you’re taking the time to speak with someone (Write-in for who).
>Zenna
Also out of curiosity. Part of me wonders what she was planning to do before she got married to Dozle in canon.

>>5577485
>Weapons training. You’re all finally moving on to proper service rifles and ranges that might prove a bit more challenging. Izumi's got a competitive look about her today.

>>5577485
>A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.

>>5577485
1)
>A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.
Most important one, doing this gets us closer to spreading our influence. We're already good with guns, now we need connections.
2)
>...It’s late in the day, after classes and training, and you’re taking the time to speak with someone (Write-in for who).
>Zenna
Sounds like it could be interesting to actually meet her. I wasn't even thinking about this until the other anon mentioned her.
3)
>...It’s late in the day, after classes and training, and you’re taking the time to speak with someone (Write-in for who).
>Blare

>>5577485
>1.)A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.

>2.)Weapons training. You’re all finally moving on to proper service rifles and ranges that might prove a bit more challenging. Izumi's got a competitive look about her today.

>>5577485
Out of curiosity how many month's have we been practicing with our guns again before the academy, and for about how much time did we do it each day?

>>5577485
>A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.

>>5577485
>>A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.

Space pope begins

>>5577503
To be fair there's a difference between handling revolvers and military grade rifles, but I agree that ensuring ourselves to be influential in Zeon is far more important.
Also we've seen Felix handle guns and weapons and we know he can deal with them well if it comes to it, I'm curious to know about how he'd handle political theory since apparently it's his strong suit (if I'm remembering correctly).

>>5577536
>space pope
Man that takes me back good to see that dream isn't dead.

>>5577485
>>A “patriotic philosophy” class. The Zabis aren’t in this one, you’ve got a chance to discuss things with other cadets.

>>5577485
>>Weapons training. You’re all finally moving on to proper service rifles and ranges that might prove a bit more challenging. Izumi's got a competitive look about her today.

>>5577536
>>5577542
Based

>>5577515
Rather than just answer that directly I'll just remind people of some other facts as well. Felix was taught to shoot by an ex special forces operator. He has been practicing regularly for years with Casval as competition, with only a small gap after he began living with the Zabis. He has outstanding perception (usually, there's at least one huge blind spot no one has noticed), which is pushed even further by being a newtype. He practiced shooting for several hours every day day for a couple of months before the academy began.

He's pretty good.

>>5577545
>>5577536
>>5577520
>>5577514
>>5577503
>>5577498
>>5577494
Writing.

>>5577567
>(usually, there's at least one huge blind spot no one has noticed)
He doesn't have eyes in the back of his head?

>>5577485
> There’s nothing like a bit of brotherly combat!
I hope this isn't foreshadowing

>>5577567
Alright, that's pretty good. He might as well be part of an elite force.

Hope we find that achilles' heel before it bites us, unless it's literally >>5577571 in which case lmao.

>>5577588
>>5577571
Kek, not what I meant but I guess it is true.

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>>5577561
I will never forget the memes from the first thread.
Man I really had to dig through some of my folders to find this one.

>>5577614
When I get the time I'll try to look at the archives for something consistent whenever Felix fights someone.

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>>5577571
Blind spot near the first thoracic vertebrae

“Aznable.” The tall instructor, Garn, calls out across the lecture hall, a couple dozen cadets looking around for Char as the call goes unanswered. Garn closes in steadily on Char’s position among the rows of other cadets, somehow still unnoticed, voice slowly raising, “Aznable. Aznable!”

“Y-yes, sir!” Char finally responds, looking up from his books and sliding something out of sight under one of them in a hurry.

“Pay attention, cadet.” Garn orders, exasperated and showing an usual amount of restraint for one of the academy’s instructors.

“Yes, sir.” Char apologizes, sitting up straighter, clearly embarrassed by being called out while so clearly having been distracted.

“...Now that everyone’s got their head back in this, let’s sum up what we’ve been discussing for the last two weeks.” Garn says, walking back down toward the white board at the bottom of the lecture hall, “About the first generation of spacenoids, and how they took control of their own fates from the earth federation that cast them out into the void as a result of it’s unmitigated economic failure! How their combined will created a stable society which has grown and prospered for decades across the Sides, and how spacenoids have developed a united consciousness as a people, and a will to seek autonomy from the corrupt democracies which make up the Earth Federation - You know these facts, of course. You’ve all lived them, some more than others. But have I taught you anything new of value these last few classes? Mm?”

The cadets in the class look to one another, a few ever daring to mumble out some answers to their friends. A few, including yourself, are clearly getting ready to volunteer just as Garn points toward Blare.

“You, explain why only spacenoids have sought autonomy so fiercely.” Garn orders.

Blare adjusts his glasses before answering, prepared as always, “Because the people living upon the Earth benefit from its economic and political dominance, they don’t face the same hardships that spacenoids have. We’ve been given a new perspective because of the Federation’s neglect.”

Garn sighs, disappointed, and shakes his head before speaking more loudly, “No. No! This perspective was not given, it was earned. Something given has no value - Look, when our fathers, or grandfathers for most of you now, came up here they struggled to survive. They clawed out a place to live among the stars, every time they protested for rights they used force, they organized. And force, especially political force, cadets, is violence - The supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.”

“Sir, my grandfather was in the first generation and he says violence never solved anything, it just made things worse until the votes happened.” A girl in the class says, daring to speak up without being asked.

>>5577643

Garn chuckles at that, “How’d you sneak in here, cadet? This is a military academy, not an art school. No, you’re wrong. You, what would the leaders of Laplace colony say about this?”

The instructor looks to Tiff now, Blare’s academic excellence having failed him and this other girl clearly being way off the mark. She shrugs, “...Laplace colony? Nothing, sir. Been a shoal for ages.”

“And why’s that, cadet?” Garn asks, though surely everyone in the room must know.

“Terrorists blew it right to hell, sir.” She answers colorfully, eliciting some chuckles throughout the room.

“Exactly!” Garn says, having found the answer he was looking for, “It was violence that marked that day, an act of pure force that’s defined the course of this century. There's a lot of rumors about that day, but it's undeniable that someone got what they wanted through force alone. Naked force has resolved more issues throughout history than any other factor. The contrary opinion, that violence has never solved anything, is wishful thinking at its worst - People who forget that are doomed. It was by force that our forefathers earned the autonomy we enjoy today, and it’s by force that someday the Sides will have their independence - Now, I can see some of you murmuring, looking over your shoulders at that door back there. There aren’t any Federation instructors here today, the rats have run off for a staff meeting. Speak your minds… You, Cadet Mass! What, if anything, is the difference between a Spacenoid and an Earthnoid?”

He’s looking at you now, not Edouard or Sayla.

>”A spacenoid understands their place in both their physical environment and the body politic, accepting personal responsibility for the maintenance and safety of both and defending them with his life. An earthnoid does not.” Bit of Gihren answer.

>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.

>”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”

>Write-in.

>>5577646
1)
>”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”
>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.
2)
>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.
3)
>”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”

>>5577646
>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.
Captcha N2 DAD

>>5577646
>>5577648
Supporting.

>>5577646
>”A spacenoid understands their place in both their physical environment and the body politic, accepting personal responsibility for the maintenance and safety of both and defending them with his life. An earthnoid does not.” Bit of Gihren answer.
>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.

>>5577646
1.
>”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”
>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.
2.
>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.
3.
>”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”

>>5577646
>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.
>”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”

>>5577646
>>”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”
>>>”A spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An earthnoid does not.” Close to your father’s words.

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>>5577648
>>5577651
>>5577666
>>5577670
>>5577682
Writing. Might not finish until the morning.

>>5577698
>Mink
What did he mean by this?

”Sir, a spacenoid has a profound sensitivity and insight into his fellow man, and a great awareness of the vastness of time and space and their place within both. An Earthnoid does not.” You answer at once, the response coming as naturally as breathing. A simple rote recitation of your father’s writings could never hope to answer the question though, so you draw on some of your own experience as well, thinking not only of yourself but also Elena’s change in perspective, ”When a spacenoid looks down on the Earth they see a sacred cradle in need of protection, they understand how fragile it truly is in the vastness of space. An Earthnoid sees dirt beneath their feet. They barely ever look up, sir. Light pollution blots out the stars in most cities down there.”

“...Right from the mouth of Deikun, if I didn’t know better.” Garn praises you, nodding slightly in approval but clearly having no idea just how close he was to the truth, “You’ve had some experience down well, haven’t you, cadet?”

“Yes, sir.” You reply, motioning to your brother and sister nearby, Sayla looking particularly tired today, “All three of us spent a few years in southern Spain, the sky was clearer there than in most cities but we could still barely see the Sides.”

“Ah, you’re the Raz kid, right.” He grins, dimples showing on his worn features, “Who else here’s been down to Earth?”

A few hands go up across the class.

“Who was there for at least a month?”

A couple of hands go down.

“A year?”

Only you and your siblings are left holding your hands up.

“Take care to listen to those three, they’ve seen the face of our enemy.” Garn says to the entire class, “Lived among them, seen how they view things from below. Trapped down there under all that crushing gravity, blind to most of their brothers and sisters above them. And they are our brothers and sisters, don’t mistake that.”

“Sir, didn’t you just say they’re our enemy?” Izumi questions from a few seats over, “How could they be our brothers and sisters at the same time?”

“Cadet Fuchs, do you have any siblings?”

“No, sir.” She answers.

“Of course you are, or you wouldn’t have asked that question. You, the other Mass, you’ve fought your brother, haven’t you?” Garn asks, looking at Edouard now.

“Naturally, sir.” Your brother replies confidently, seeming to understand immediately where instructor Garn intends to go with his point, “It comes with having a brother.”

“And you, you’ve fought with them both, haven’t you?” He asks Sayla, “Knocked some sense into their heads?”

“...Yes, sir.” Your sister answers with a tired smile, “Usually it’s just words.”

“Of course, you use what force you can.” Garn nods, “Cadet Fuchs, do you understand now?”

“...I believe so, sir.” Izumi answers after a moment of consideration, “It’s our familial duty to push them along the right path.”

>>5577797

“Precisely.” The instructor claps his hands together loudly, a violent slap carrying across the room, “They’re family in need of a firm correction. Some may be too far gone, the politicians, the captains of industry, all of the corrupt bureaucrats of the Earth Federation - But the common people aren’t all that different from us, they just haven’t earned a new perspective yet. They haven’t struggled as our people have. Every spacenoid’s family once came from the earth. It’s still in living memory, many of the first are still with us - Fewer every day, but I know you’ve all seen them. They were Earthnoids once. It was struggle that transformed them, not time or generations. Hard earned lessons and the countless deaths necessary to settle space, the constant opposition from the Earth Federation, it chiseled them into Spacenoids. Piece by piece they were sculpted by that conflict, that violence. You, each and every one of you, are the product of that process as well. Who’s seen a breach in a colony?”

Most of the class raises their hand.

“How about another major catastrophe, air scrubbing or environmental controls?”

The rest raise their hands, including you and your siblings.

“And who’s helped to fix those messes? Or helped the people doing that, brought them food or water, or helped fund repairs?”

The entire class keeps their hands up. You and your siblings helped with maintenance all the time back on Texas colony, even if it was just inspections as part of a wider excuse to practice flying.

“That’s right.” Garn says as he surveys the class, “Every cadet, every class, every year - There’s never a single one who doesn’t raise their hand, even the few we get from Earth. You’re not bound together only by an oath of service or your duty to Zeon - Though those are both noble, they don’t capture the truth. No, you’re bound together because you’re a single people. You have an awareness of things, of one another, that our misguided brothers and sisters on Earth can barely even begin to conceive of - When a person states that Spacenoids are superior, this is what they’re speaking of, this is the quality that Earthnoids lack. An awareness of one another, of the world we call our own, of our place in it and within time itself - A grander view of humanity and history than could have ever been achieved while trapped on the Earth…”

A murmur rumbles through the class for a moment until Tiff stands and throws a firm salute, “Sieg Zeon!”

Almost as one, caught up in a sudden fervor, the rest of the class stands. Even you and your siblings find yourself among them, your father's name transformed into a battle cry of an entire people as the room shouts out as one.

“Sieg Zeon!”

>>5577799

A few minutes later.

The class concluded early, Instructor Garn’s point made more than clearly enough. It’s not quite your own approach to the issue, the militarism and zeal are a bit beyond your usually more cerebral outlook, but he’s far, far away from being Gihren. It’s at least a mostly fair approximation of your father’s ideology, his speeches could get rather impassioned at times. You and your fellow cadets have been allowed about fifteen minutes to speak with one another, and while many topics abound most of the class is still discussing Zeonism, Contolism, or all sorts of other schools of Deikun thought.

>You’re speaking with Izumi, Tiff, and Blare about the class. A few other students, including Char and Zenna, are with them.
>You’re with your brother and sister, and Edouard’s friend Anavel. The two of them get along well, similarly focused and high performers in all classes.
>You’ve decided to speak with Instructor Garn briefly. He’s seen the last few years of cadets through here, even back with Zeon was Munzo and the defense force was much smaller…

>>5577802
>You’ve decided to speak with Instructor Garn briefly. He’s seen the last few years of cadets through here, even back with Zeon was Munzo and the defense force was much smaller…
That was incredibly hype writing Contolist. You've outdone yourself. Sieg Zeon!

>>5577802
>You’ve decided to speak with Instructor Garn briefly. He’s seen the last few years of cadets through here, even back with Zeon was Munzo and the defense force was much smaller…
He was weirdly receptive of Zeon Deikun's philosophy. I want to see if he's actually a Deikun loyalist, though we'll have to use some tact to approach him about that subject.
If we can use him as a vehicle to convert some of the cadets it would be great.

>>5577805
I have the same feelings here, it's always quality.

I almost forgot:
Sieg Zeon!

>>5577802
Is Casval going to have that connection with Gato even if we don't meet him here?

>>5577802
>You’ve decided to speak with Instructor Garn briefly. He’s seen the last few years of cadets through here, even back with Zeon was Munzo and the defense force was much smaller…

>>5577817
Yes, they met back at the party.

>>5577825
I don't know how to feel about Casval getting close to him. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what our brother's plans are.

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>>5577802
>>You’ve decided to speak with Instructor Garn briefly. He’s seen the last few years of cadets through here, even back with Zeon was Munzo and the defense force was much smaller…

>>5577629
>legends speak of a Zeon Ace with no blindspots
>he devastated Federation lines using a technique where he spins in a Ball at extreme speeds while firing at enemy mobile suits with inhuman accuracy
>they only knew him as Ball Boy and that he spun at three times the normal spinning speed

>>5577802
>>You’re with your brother and sister, and Edouard’s friend Anavel. The two of them get along well, similarly focused and high performers in all classes.

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here so my vote is going to be wasted but I'm curious what young Gato is like

>>5577802
1)
>You’ve decided to speak with Instructor Garn briefly. He’s seen the last few years of cadets through here, even back with Zeon was Munzo and the defense force was much smaller…
2)
>You’re speaking with Izumi, Tiff, and Blare about the class. A few other students, including Char and Zenna, are with them.
That's a very interesting take on the whole nature of violence, with words being counted as it, and the spacenoid vs earthnoid relation.
One that we probably agree with, given the transformation that Elena went through, and it's closer to father's dream then Gihren's ambition.

>>5577805
>>5577808
>>5577823
>>5577952
>>5578062
Writing.

>>5577802
>You’ve decided to speak with Instructor Garn briefly. He’s seen the last few years of cadets through here, even back with Zeon was Munzo and the defense force was much smaller…

>>5578091
This is based off Starship troopers isn't it Contolist?

>>5578096
Absolutely it is, for the first post at least.

The sound of conversation drifts through the room, chaotic and indistinct, as the other cadets discuss Zeonism and other philosophies amongst themselves. Probably interesting conversations, but you clued in on something more interesting than the opinions of your comrades. The instructor, Garn, expressed a view of your father’s philosophy somewhat at odds with Gihren’s, not quite your father’s original work but close enough to it to perhaps be compatible, and that’s drawn your attention more than anything today.

You’re at the bottom of the lecture hall, speaking with instructor Garn. He greets you with a small close smile, green eyes searching over you and flicking back toward the rest of the class behind you.

“Cadet Mass, that was an excellent answer earlier, but you should be discussing things with your classmates. They need more voices like yours.” Garn says, stopping what he was doing to give you his full attention, something about his gaze naturally intimidating - He’s tall, but not a particularly imposing man, probably in his early middle age, skin tanned and worn from what must be frequent time outdoors, both now and in his youth.

“Yes, sir, but I did have some questions about the lecture.” You reply, trying to be respectful.

“Well, in that case I’m all ears, cadet.” He replies pleasantly, making time for your brief interruption even as he was putting some papers back away, “Always happy to help. What is it?”

“The philosophy you were teaching, it’s not as modern as I expected, sir.”

“Modern?” He chuckles, shaking his head, “No, I’d hope not. You mean I’m not in line with Chairman Gihren’s speeches, don’t you?”

“Yes, sir.” You answer honestly, not having expected such an immediate recognition of your purpose here, “It sounded much closer to Deikun’s original philosophy.”

“You’ve studied Deikun.” He states, concluding as much without issue, “More than what I’ve assigned at least. That’s not too uncommon, a lot of cadets have read some of his work.”

“I’ve read all of it a few times, sir, even the early speeches.”

“Looking for a medal, Mass?” He jokes, “That is good though, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Just don’t fill your head completely with dead paper, the world keeps moving.”

“Sir?”

“Deikun never finished his work, even his opinions were changing with time,” Garn explains, “Have you ever read the speech he meant to give the day he died?”

“I haven’t, sir.”

He nods, looking to have expected that and reaching over to a pile of papers on the table nearby, leafing through it quickly until he withdraws a few stapled together, “Most haven’t, it’s not published widely. Here, I keep a copy with me as a reminder. You can have it, not my only one.”

>>5578112

You accept the printed out speech, scanning over it quickly and confirming at once that it’s not something you’ve ever seen before.

“Thank you, sir. I’ll make sure to read this…” You reply, unsure of what to make of this. It’s an odd thing to carry around, but perhaps not for an instructor of a course like this. Still, the mismatch with Gihren’s philosophy has your curiosity.

>”Do you disagree with Gihren’s conclusions then?” Gihren might invoke your father’s name frequently, in every speech and salute in fact, but anyone paying attention knows he’s taken things down a different path.
>”Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?” It’s possible at least, he’s the right age and seems like the type to have tried.
>”I was wondering why you didn’t mention newtypes, sir.” Gihren’s muddied the waters around newtypes a lot, conflating them with Spacenoids sometimes and generalized supremacist points.
>Write-in.

>>5578113
>>”Do you disagree with Gihren’s conclusions then?” Gihren might invoke your father’s name frequently, in every speech and salute in fact, but anyone paying attention knows he’s taken things down a different path.

>>5578113
>”Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?” It’s possible at least, he’s the right age and seems like the type to have tried.

>>5578113
>”Do you disagree with Gihren’s conclusions then?” Gihren might invoke your father’s name frequently, in every speech and salute in fact, but anyone paying attention knows he’s taken things down a different path.
>”I was wondering why you didn’t mention newtypes, sir.” Gihren’s muddied the waters around newtypes a lot, conflating them with Spacenoids sometimes and generalized supremacist points.

>>5578113
1)
>”I was wondering why you didn’t mention newtypes, sir.” Gihren’s muddied the waters around newtypes a lot, conflating them with Spacenoids sometimes and generalized supremacist points.
>”Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?” It’s possible at least, he’s the right age and seems like the type to have tried.
2)
>”I was wondering why you didn’t mention newtypes, sir.” Gihren’s muddied the waters around newtypes a lot, conflating them with Spacenoids sometimes and generalized supremacist points.
3)
>”Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?” It’s possible at least, he’s the right age and seems like the type to have tried.

>>5578113
>>”Do you disagree with Gihren’s conclusions then?” Gihren might invoke your father’s name frequently, in every speech and salute in fact, but anyone paying attention knows he’s taken things down a different path.

>>5578113
1)
>”Do you disagree with Gihren’s conclusions then?” Gihren might invoke your father’s name frequently, in every speech and salute in fact, but anyone paying attention knows he’s taken things down a different path.
>”Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?” It’s possible at least, he’s the right age and seems like the type to have tried.

2)
>”Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?” It’s possible at least, he’s the right age and seems like the type to have tried.

3)
>”Do you disagree with Gihren’s conclusions then?” Gihren might invoke your father’s name frequently, in every speech and salute in fact, but anyone paying attention knows he’s taken things down a different path.

>>5578117
>>5578124
>>5578142 (3rd)
Writing.

“Do you disagree with Gihren’s conclusions then?” You question, trying to get a better sense of Garn - It’s a dangerous question in a way, but dissent is far from completely stamped out in Zeon… Yet.

“About what, cadet?” Garn asks carefully, “He’s said a great many things, it can be a struggle to keep up with his speeches.”

“...He is a busy man,” You agree, thinking of how little of an opportunity you’ve had to speak with him outside of occasional dinners back at the Zabi palace, though you of course can’t mention that here, “I meant his conclusions about Spacenoid supremacy and conflict with the Earthnoids.”

“Ah, of course.” Garn nods, “In a broad sense we agree, I’ve discussed it with him a few times, but the reasons for coming to those conclusions and the emphasis he places on them are off.”

…He’s spoken with Gihren? Perhaps that shouldn’t be too surprising considering Garn’s position and Dozle being superintendent of the academy.

“Off, sir?”

“Yes, off. He believes the change is biological, a critical physical change occurring along with the change in mindset.” Garn answers, speaking very carefully, “Something epigenetic, almost racial, that makes Spacenoids physically different from Earthnoids. A change beyond life in artificial gravity or outside of the earth’s polluted atmosphere, something deeper than that. I’m sure you’ve heard his speeches, and his claims that not everyone from earth has the capacity to even become a Spacenoid.”

“That we’re a master race.” You finish for him, having heard it from Gihren himself in passing a few times, “Yes, sir. You think that’s wrong?”

“I’ll leave that to the geneticists to be sure, but that kind of deterministic thinking doesn’t sit well with me, or fit what I’ve observed. So yes, I think he’s wrong.” Garn answers directly, “Outside of Luna I’ve yet to meet an Earthnoid that’s stayed one after more than a few decades up here, some just take a while to realize their new place. Anecdotal, but it’s what we’ve got to work with, no one's done a good study yet. It isn't an easy change to quantify.”

>>5578205

He doesn’t stop there though, carrying on with his explanation, “I don’t disagree that any physical changes occur, I disagree that those are the key factor. It’s a superior outlook, a unity with others - that’s what makes a Spacenoid, what makes us better than what mankind used to be. It's not something inborn, it's earned - Some earn it as children, struggling in microgravity for the first time, others earn it rationally through philosophy, or emotionally when they see the earth as a blue dot for the first time. ...As for conflict with Earthnoids, that’s already happening. No great change ever comes without conflict, usually armed conflict. It’s the way of nature, things tend to remain as they are without a force acting upon them, without violence of some kind. This is the greatest change mankind has ever undergone, leaving our cradle behind to live in space. A war’s inevitable.”

>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”
>”You haven’t mentioned newtypes, sir. Where do they fit into things then?” It's seems like it must be at least partially genetic, Tryphosa and her sisters are all newtypes, just like their mother. Six genetically identical people... Of course they've also all lived strange lives, much of their time spent deep in space.
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”
>Write-in.

>>5578208
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”

>>5578208
1)
>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”

2)
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”

3)
>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”

I feel like we're gradually getting closer to getting him on our side. If we can imply the connection between us and Zeon Deikun we might be able to do it (after making sure he isn't leaning towards Zabi sympathy, but at this point it seems unlikely).

>>5578208
1)
>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”
>”You haven’t mentioned newtypes, sir. Where do they fit into things then?” It's seems like it must be at least partially genetic, Tryphosa and her sisters are all newtypes, just like their mother. Six genetically identical people... Of course they've also all lived strange lives, much of their time spent deep in space.
2)
>”You haven’t mentioned newtypes, sir. Where do they fit into things then?” It's seems like it must be at least partially genetic, Tryphosa and her sisters are all newtypes, just like their mother. Six genetically identical people... Of course they've also all lived strange lives, much of their time spent deep in space.
3)
>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”

>>5578208
1)
>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”
2)
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”

>>5578208
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”
>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”

>>5578208
1)
>>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”
2)
>>”Won’t that threaten to destroy the Earth though? That seems antithetical to the Spacenoid outlook.”

>>5578208
>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”

>>5578208
>>”You’ve spoken with Gihren? …Did you ever meet Deikun, sir?”

>>5578292
>>5578287
>>5578251
>>5578235 (2nd)
>>5578211 (2nd)
>>5578210
Writing.

“You’ve spoken with Gihren?” You ask, carefully thinking over what Garn’s said but not letting that detail slip by so easily.

“I have.” He confirms, “Gihren speaks to classes of cadets somewhat regularly, usually after the big exercises against Federation forces. Strikes while the iron is hot as it were, tempers flare every time the federation tries to humiliate us like that. While he was here he gave a guest lecture in one of my classes - We spoke afterward, he’s a sharp man.”

“How’d that go, sir?”

“Well, I wasn’t shot.” He chuckles grimly, the dark joke not seeming to be made lightly at all, his steady gaze meeting yours, “We disagreed on details and agreed on outcomes. It wasn’t a long discussion. I’m not here to talk about the Zabi family though, Mass. If you don’t have further questions about the class you should join your fellow cadets.”

“I have at least one more question, sir.” You tell him, hoping he’ll consider being more on topic, “...Did you ever meet Zeon Deikun?”

“Several times, it was years ago, shortly before the defense forces expanded from just doing police work and became a proper military.” Garn answers you, shaking his head slightly, green eyes fixed on some far off point, “It’s a damn shame your generation never had much of a chance to see him, he was a great man taken too early. Our people need the kind of resolve he had. Go on back to the others, cadet - And read that speech when you’ve got the time.”

“Yes, sir.” You head back to the other cadets, wishing you could have discussed more but still having learned a lot - It’s understandable that poking around the Zabi and Deikun families too much in this kind of class would get shut down, it’s a dangerous topic depending on where it strays, but Garn was willing to make that joke about being purged so perhaps there’s more…

There’s not that long left in class.

>Join Blare and the others. Sounds like they’re arguing about Lunarians.
>Join your siblings and Gato.
>Sit on your own and read over the speech now.
>Write-in.

>>5578395
>>Join your siblings and Gato.

>>5578395
>Join Blare and the others. Sounds like they’re arguing about Lunarians.
Time to spread our influence.
I think this was relatively successful, we should probably try to contact Garn in private later.

>>5578395
>Join Blare and the others. Sounds like they’re arguing about Lunarians.

>>5578395
>>Join Blare and the others. Sounds like they’re arguing about Lunarians.

>>5578395
>Join Blare and the others. Sounds like they’re arguing about Lunarians.

>>5578395
>Join Blare and the others. Sounds like they’re arguing about Lunarians.

>>5578395
>>Join your siblings and Gato.

>>5578395
>Join Blare and the others. Sounds like they’re arguing about Lunarians

>>5578398
>>5578402
>>5578404
>>5578407
>>5578408
>>5578423
Writing.

You stop to drop speech off with the rest of your stuff and then head over to join Blare and the others, an argument about Lunarians catching your ear even among the wider discussion of Zeonism.

“Man, don’t give me that, Luna doesn’t count - even kids know that.” Tiff asks indignantly, one hand on the table and leaning forward aggressively toward Char, “How the fuck’s a moon space?”

“It’s… in space though?” Char says, leaning away from the wild eyed girl - It’s still odd seeing him at times, so very similar to your brother and yet so utterly different.

“Everything is space, Tiff.” Blare comments, “Gravity is lower, and they have to live in dome cities. If a breach occurs they die just like we do. It’s not like Earth.”

“Oh can it, Blare.” She replies in a huff, “You’re not cute when you’re wrong.”

“Then it’s fortunate I’m correct.” Blare replies, not giving in nearly that easily when something as important as a pedantic point is on the line, “Izumi, you concur, don’t you? Lunarians are Spacenoids.”

“No.” Izumi answers, not elaborating. Tiff grins triumphantly and holds out hand for a low five - After a moment of consideration, looking at the extended hand as if it’s some alien gesture, Izumi takes the offer, their hands clapping together.

“Ye cannae jus’ say ‘no,’” Rix protests.

“I did.” Izumi says, quite unperturbed even as Rix gives her a disappointed look.

“Care teh explain?” Rix prompts, straining to be the reasonable one in the group.

“Seems cowardly to avoid the issue.” Blare adds, Izumi’s dark eyes narrowing further and settling on the blond boy, her buttons thoroughly pushed.

“They live on the moon, a planetoid, and labor away in its gravity well. That simply isn’t space.” Izumi elaborates, though it hardly clears up the issue, “Their spirits are held down by gravity, even if they do struggle to survive. How could they ever hope to be anything but parasites feeding on Earth’s exploitation of the Sides?”

“Yo, Max, are Lunarians Spacenoids?” Tiff calls out to you as you approach, reeling you fully into the conversation.

>”What? No, obviously not. Some Spacenoids live there, but if you’re born on the moon it’s not the same. Too much gravity.” …Okay, so gravity might have something to do with newtypes at least if Tryphosa is anything to go by.
>”Of course they are, they don’t live on Earth. Blare’s right, they have the same struggles we do. Gravity isn’t some black magic that stops people from becoming spacenoids, it’s poetic language.” Eh, gravity probably isn’t that big of deal.
>”Sure, some are. My girlfriend lives on Luna and she’s a spacenoid.”
>Write-in.

>>5578532
>”Of course they are, they don’t live on Earth. Blare’s right, they have the same struggles we do. Gravity isn’t some black magic that stops people from becoming spacenoids, it’s poetic language.” Eh, gravity probably isn’t that big of deal.

>>5578532
>>”Of course they are, they don’t live on Earth. Blare’s right, they have the same struggles we do. Gravity isn’t some black magic that stops people from becoming spacenoids, it’s poetic language.” Eh, gravity probably isn’t that big of deal.

>>5578532
1)
>Write-in
>"Some are, some aren't, I suppose. It would depend on many factors, both mental and physical in nature. At the very least there is more of a potential to be a spacenoid there because of how they've struggled and the relative distance from earth."

2)
>”Sure, some are. My girlfriend lives on Luna and she’s a spacenoid.”

3)
>”Of course they are, they don’t live on Earth. Blare’s right, they have the same struggles we do. Gravity isn’t some black magic that stops people from becoming spacenoids, it’s poetic language.” Eh, gravity probably isn’t that big of deal.

>>5578532
1)
>”Sure, some are. My girlfriend lives on Luna and she’s a spacenoid.”
>"They have a bigger chance of being stuck in the old trappings of the earthnoid elite, but a lunarian has seem and experienced enough that they can be set free."
>"In truth, even a spacenoid can have their souls trapped in the old ways. I've seem Jovians be like that, and the ships they live in don't even have artificial gravity like a colony."
2)
>”Sure, some are. My girlfriend lives on Luna and she’s a spacenoid.”
>”Of course they are, they don’t live on Earth. Blare’s right, they have the same struggles we do. Gravity isn’t some black magic that stops people from becoming spacenoids, it’s poetic language.” Eh, gravity probably isn’t that big of deal.
3)
>”Sure, some are. My girlfriend lives on Luna and she’s a spacenoid.”
4)
>”Of course they are, they don’t live on Earth. Blare’s right, they have the same struggles we do. Gravity isn’t some black magic that stops people from becoming spacenoids, it’s poetic language.” Eh, gravity probably isn’t that big of deal.

>>5578565
The 1 was supposed to only be my write-in
>>5578560
Oh hey, we thought the same thing, but you did it in less words.

>>5578532
I'd like to take the middle ground without appealing to our own character bias.
>1.)Write-in
>Some are, some aren't. They share our struggle but are bound by gravity.

>2.)”Of course they are, they don’t live on Earth. Blare’s right, they have the same struggles we do. Gravity isn’t some black magic that stops people from becoming spacenoids, it’s poetic language.” Eh, gravity probably isn’t that big of deal.

>>5578568
Yeah, we basically did. I like you're write-in better actually, since it also mentions how the Jovians aren't really that different from the earthnoid elite, and it could make some of the people here start to doubt Gihren's propaganda.

>>5578532
>>5578560
Changing my vote to support >>5578565

>>5578570
>>5578532
That's a good write-in, and it highlights that even spacenoids can fall into the same trappings as earthnoids. Switching to support >>5578565

>>5578532
1)
>Write-in:
>Spacenoids aren't a mere political class or cultural subset of humanity. Being subject to the struggles of survival outside of natural atmosphere and being spiritually freed from the crushing weight of natural gravity wells matter, but only insofar as they contribute to the natural evolution of humanity into Newtypes. Lunarians are closer to this than Earthnoids, further than proper Side dwellers. Yet even the Jovians I've met, most at a remove from gravity, are weighed down by their repressive society. No, they aren't spacenoids, but the vast majority of humanity across the solar system aren't true spacenoids yet.
I want to unveil Felix's Contolist powerlevel right here. It's been far too long since Father's philosophy really graced this quest.

2)
But if I must, I'll settle for >>5578565

>>5578565
Why would you randomly bring up your girlfriend in a military academy when we're trying to gain influence and underlings? Even moreso when we're going to be going public soon as a Deikun?

>>5578607
It was because of the "some are".
Also I copied the prompts wrong, I clarified it here
>>5578568

>>5578600
Oh, this is good

>>5578583
>>5578570

>>5578600
This one's a good expansion on orange's idea. I hate to change my vote so many times and make a mess but I'm switching to support this instead.

>>5578607
That's actually a good point.

>>5578532
>>5578577
Changing my vote to:
>"They have a bigger chance of being stuck in the old trappings of the earthnoid elite, but a lunarian has seem and experienced enough that they can be set free."
>"In truth, even a spacenoid can have their souls trapped in the old ways. I've seem Jovians be like that, and the ships they live in don't even have artificial gravity like a colony."
I assume this is how the anon intended it to be, since he clarified it in >>5578568 and >>5578620

>>5578600
While this is a good write-in, I don't like the finality in saying that there aren't any spacenoids in Luna and the implication of taking a 'side' in the argument ( know this probably wasn't the intent, but it's how it'll seem to some of the students there).

I think Contolist can mix all the write-ins we made into one. They all try to pass a similar idea, each one has a part that is better then the other ones, and if I think he has done that before.

>>5578629
My point is that only Newtypes are "real" spacenoids and where one lives is only incidentally related to what truly matters- evolution into a higher humanity. There is an idea of the spacenoid yet to be fully incarnated in human flesh.

>>5578532
I'll +1 >>5578565

>>5578637
While I got that, purple he has a point that the other students might not see that way, since Garn didn't mention Newtypes in his class.
That simple mention of the evolution into newtypes might not be enough to stop a misconception

>>5578636
I'd be down for that if other anons are. As long as we don't take a 'side' in the argument or mention Newtypes, while clarifying things like you did in your write-in and mentioning how Jovians are like the earthnoid elite and that there are spacenoids in Luna despite the earthnoid influence.

>>5578637
That's fair enough and I agree, but that definition would include earthnoids (like Amuro) as spacenoids. That alone is too radical for most if not all of the class to accept, and could worse case scenario raise some eyebrows with the staff in Zeon.
Also yXXPBtUc makes a point in that the mentioning of Newtypes at all would be a bit odd.

>>5578600
Got a suggestion for a way to try and deal with potential misunderstanding
>No, they aren't spacenoids, just like the vast majority of humanity across the solar system still haven't become the true spacenoids: newtypes.
It kind of is redundant after you wrote about humanity's evolution, but repetition should help reinforce the point. I think
I still hope Contolist uses all the write-ins, even though mine is winning. They are all good.

>>5578650
I really want to mention Newtypes man. It's generally seen as a weird belief, but Felix is nothing if he is not a full-throated defender of his Father's vision. We definitely should avoid talking about what we really know.

Also, the radical implications of the theory are precisely what I want to say without saying. The Zabis are not real spacenoids, the Jovians are not real spacenoids, all those who oppress the human spirit are roadblocks to human evolution. To Felix earthnoid newtypes should be an absurd theoretical possibility, like a fish that can climb trees.

>>5578651
That's definitely a better way of putting it.

>>5578650
>there are spacenoids in Luna
There are some spacenoids, I don't meant to say that all of them are spacenoids.
>staff at Zeon
Should clarify it to Military Academy of Zeon.
Also, let's not mention Elena or make it appear like our beliefs are hinged on personal matters.

>>5578651
I'm still not entirely sold on it, mostly due to the finality of saying there are no spacenoids there as well as the possible misinterpretation some of the students could have.

>>5578656
But there is a problem there, Vivima has proved that the Zabis can in fact become Newtypes (and potentially Glemy can be one too, if Contolist uses the Gundam novelization in this quest). If we base/start our philosophy on that then the Zabis will be able to use it against us when we make Neo-Zeon.

>>5578659
>Vivima has proved that the Zabis can in fact become Newtypes
Tbh this is just a flaw of the philosophy. As presented in the quest, Deikun conflates the psychic newtype abilities that "spacenoids" are more likely to possess with the utopian vision of future human society that he himself had. IMO Felix should eventually realize that these are conceptually distinct categories. Unless they aren't. In which case when Vivima develops her newtype abilities she may outgrow the primitive and corrupt character of her family.

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>>5578656
lmao

>>5578664
As with the mudskipper, nature often defies human expectations. I for one can't wait for the inevitable challenges Felix goes through when he meets Lalah and awakened Amuro.

>>5578656
I know that there's is one type of cave fish live hanging in walls, and one type of mud fish that can walk on land and there's those jumping fish that can kind of fly. Are there actually ones that can climb trees?

>>5578659
>when we make Neo-Zeon.
In fact, it'll even be before we do that since I'm willing to believe that Vivima will try to use her status as a Newtype to legitimize the Zabis.
It would be better if we portrayed true spacenoids as not limiting human potential, and the capability of being a newtype lies not in just being a spacenoid.
I mean, if we're extending what it means to be a spacenoid to earthnoids, Old-Guard Jovians and Zabis and then base our philosophy on it then the paradox of fighting 'real spacenoids' for the sake of freeing spacenoids will be noticeable.

>>5578663
I agree in that they are probably separate categories, which is why I don't want to conflate the two in this argument. I think even Felix's father believed that earthnoids could be newtypes.
Especially since this is all about us making a distinction between earthnoids and spacenoids, not what makes a newtype.

>>5578666
I'm sure he'll accept it, considering Jimba quoted Deikun in saying that there is in fact a possibility of earthnoids being newtypes.

>>5578667
I just searched on google and it exists
What the fuck

>>5578667
The land down under is a pathway to many abilities the European would consider unnatural.

https://youtu.be/2pkOjNaIXB8

>>5578668
I should clarify that Jimba said that our father's philosophy mentioned the possibility of earthnoid newtypes existing under very extraordinary circumstances.
I think that's what Jimba said to us three while we were in Spain, unless I'm not remembering correctly.

I just remembered something that was mentioned before about about mixing newtypes and spacenoids into the same category: It's something that Gihren does in his speeches, and I think Felix said that was not correct.
Although Gihren says it because he thinks that spacenoids are the master race, instead of spacenoids not existing (in bulk) yet

>>5578532
>"They have a bigger chance of being stuck in the old trappings of the earthnoid elite, but a lunarian has seem and experienced enough that they can be set free."
>"In truth, even a spacenoid can have their souls trapped in the old ways. I've seem Jovians be like that, and the ships they live in don't even have artificial gravity like a colony."

>>5578679
That settles it for me then, I don't want Felix's ideology to be conflated with Gihren's. It just isn't something Felix would genuinely believe in, and it would be bad for us if we want to distinguish ourselves from the Zabis.

>>5578683
I'm phoneposting, here's my past ID chain.
>>5577666
>>5577503
>>5577384

>>5578668
>>5578679
I guess part of the problem is that I want to answer the question of "do Lunarians deserve the same prestige that Side colonists have in virtue of being spacenoids" in the negative, since I view "spacenoid" prestige as being linked to newtype potential (supposing newtype potential = potential for the elevated vision of humanity), which Lunarians decidedly have less of. Unfortunately the factors contributing to newtype potential are ill-understood by most, and some Gihren want to give prestige to Side-dwellers for political reasons, hence the political charge of the question "are Lunarians spacenoids?". Of course, at the end of the day I am attempting to interpret a philosophy for which no actual treatises exist in order to overcome a fictional false ideology. So what do I know?

>>5578688
Yeah the whole thing of the Lunarians having lesser potential for newtype shenanigans makes sense, and I kind of agree with that since I made a point of saying that they have a bigger chance of being stuck in the ways.
I think what is being contentious is the mixing of the terms newtypes and spacenoid. Kind of wish we talked with Garn about it, maybe he would have a class later and we could talk about the term then, because if we did now we would have to explain everything from scratch.

>>5578691
It's like being a bona-fide Nietzschian in a room full of Nazis man, semantic shenanigans abound.

>>5578693
Kek, it really is the same situation.

>>5578688
I'll have to (mostly) disagree on what it means to be a spacenoid with you then. Considering that it would potentially go against dad's philosophy (even earthnoids can become newtypes) while appealing to Gihren's thought process.
Either way we probably shouldn't talk about Newtypes with the class now, since we aren't fully aware in-universe of how it meshes with spacenoids and dad's philosophy, for the most part at least (and it would be bad if we started making Gihren-esque talking points without knowing).

>>5578693
lmao

Alright, time to tally things up and determine the ultimate fate of all Lunarians.

>>5578709
To nuke or not to nuke, that is the question

>>5578683
>>5578629
>>5578639
yXXPBtUc write-in with the Elena stuff redacted.

>>5578600
>>5578627
Pz3mobuD write-in.

>>5578558
>>5578549
Blare

I might have missed a vote in there somewhere, but it looks like the yXXPBtUc write-in wins. Writing.

If I screwed up the count in a way that actually matters please let me know.

>>5578725
Lmao, managed to leave out the actual original >>5578565
Same winner.

>>5578726
We're not about to fucking out ourselves with a girlfriend are we?

>>5578746
>with the Elena stuff redacted

>>5578748
>Thinking I can read
i am here for war crimes, Sieg Zeon and Dadzole. These pansy word stuff is not for me.

>>5578752
Well said based anon, carry on

>>5578752
Lol

You consider the question carefully for a moment before answering, the simple argument having rather profound consequences depending upon how you answer, "Sure, some are. Lunarians have a greater chance of being mired in the old trappings of the Earthnoid elite, but many have seen and experienced the same hardships we have, more than enough to be set free of the old ways. In truth, even a spacenoid can have their souls trapped in the old ways - I've seen Jovians just as chained to practices brought up from earth, and most of the ships in the Jupiter fleet don’t don’t even have spin gravity."

“Well spoken, Maxime.” Blare says, “It’s experience that makes a person into a spacenoids… Wait a moment, even the Jovians? Surely they must all be spacenoids, they live in even harsher conditions than we do.”

“Yeah, jovies are crazy weird, right? They gotta be spacenoids.” Tiff says in that hoarse voice of hers, eyes darting between you both, face scrunched up in annoyance - It’s not a great look for her.

“He never claimed they weren’t spacenoids.” Izumi states matter-of-factly, “...That isn’t what you meant either, is it?”

“No, they’re certainly spacenoids, but it’s important to remember that’s just one step along a much greater path.” You answer, trying not to say too much for now - In a few more months it should be easier to discuss this.

“You mean newtypes, right?” Char asks excitedly, his enthusiastic embrace of Zeon propaganda finally showing itself - He was off at that boarding school for a lot of the time you were in Texas colony, but last winter break he was all over the stuff.

“Newtypes? Load a’ mystic mumbo jumbo.” Rix says dismissively, “Yer rite aboot Luna tho’.”

>”Don’t dismiss it so easily, Rix. Zeon Deikun has proven to be right about most things. Tiff, Izumi, don’t you agree?”
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.
>Write-in.

>>5578850
1)
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”
This is basically what I was thinking, because saying that only spacenoids can be newtypes is incorrect (and pretty Gihren-like as well).

2)
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”

>>5578850
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.

>>5578850
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.

>>5578850
>>5578858
Changing my vote to:
1)
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.
>”Don’t dismiss it so easily, Rix. Zeon Deikun has proven to be right about most things. Tiff, Izumi, don’t you agree?”

2)
>”Don’t dismiss it so easily, Rix. Zeon Deikun has proven to be right about most things. Tiff, Izumi, don’t you agree?”

3)
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.

On second thought, we should be focusing more on how to convince people to eventually join us.
Also, where's Zenna in all of this? I thought she was with the group.

>>5578850
1)
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.
2)
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”
3)
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.

>>5578873
She's just off to the side a bit and keeping quiet so far, making other people at the academy wonder if blondes always come in trios.

>>5578903
>making other people at the academy wonder if blondes always come in trios.
lmao
But wouldn't Casval, Artesia and Gato debunk this by them just sitting together? Unless there's a mystery blonde over with them.

>>5578911
Normally Felix would be with them. The mirroring wasn't intentional but Char and Casval of course look almost identical, Felix and Blare are sort of similar looking if you squint and ignore Felix being way more athletic, and Zenna and Artesia... actually don't look that similar, but they could probably pass as sisters.

>>5578850
>>5578873
Changing my vote once again:
1)
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”
>"...although, in theory, that a newtype could emerge from earth under the right circumstances, thought it would be extremely unlikely." You remember Jimba mentioning this back on Andalusia, and that your father was never entirely certain if only spacenoids could become newtypes...
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.
This might lead us to the path of understanding what newtypes are.

2)
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”
>"...although, in theory, a newtype could emerge from earth under the right circumstances, thought it would be extremely unlikely." You remember Jimba mentioning this back on Andalusia, and that your father was never entirely certain if only spacenoids could become newtypes...

3)
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.
>”Don’t dismiss it so easily, Rix. Zeon Deikun has proven to be right about most things. Tiff, Izumi, don’t you agree?”

4)
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.

5)
>”Don’t dismiss it so easily, Rix. Zeon Deikun has proven to be right about most things. Tiff, Izumi, don’t you agree?”

>>5578927
Huh, makes me think that Hamon and Astaria looking like sisters really is just a coincidence.

>>5578931
The Astraia/Hamon similarity is much stronger for what that matters. If someone wasn't familiar with them they could probably switch places without too much issue. And probably have in the past.

>>5578935
That is something interesting to keep in mind. Hopefully Astaria isn't on the reconciliation path with the Zabis and we can get some plans going with her and Hamon.
I hope we'll be able to speak with her in private soon, at least before the wedding/engagement happens. Though I know that that's unlikely.

Rereading the second vote (the one about how spacenoids are closer to newtypes), I'm starting to not like it. Especially if it were to be written without a further write-in explaining how it doesn't mean that only spacenoids will be able to become newtypes. Even though it seems to imply like we're trying to make it distinct I feel like it isn't going to work and will only reinforce the Gihren propaganda, and generally be a net loss for us to garner support.

>>5578850
>”I do, Char. It’s important not to mistake spacenoids and newtypes for being the same thing, spacenoids are just a step further along the path than most.”
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.

>>5578850
>>5578929
On second thought I'll change my vote to just:
>”Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” Hear him out.
It's good to focus on finding out what makes people not really believe it.

>>5578866
>>5578867
>>5579276
Writing.

“Why don’t you think newtypes are real, Rix?” You ask your friend, hoping to hear out what reasons he might have for denying a reality that you know far, far more than you can admit to.

“C'mon, space turns folk intae psychics? Nonsense.” Rix dismisses the idea at once, “Juist listen tae that. Psychics? a' body knows that’s garbage.”

Blare shrugs, “The claims are somewhat dubious on their face, most scientific investigations into claims of psychic powers have shown it to be little more than an elaborate hoax - But those tests largely occurred on earth.”

“Woah, woah, my best friend and… and you think it’s all crap too, Blare?” Tiff questions, clearly shocked as she looks between Rix and Blare, her gaze lingering on the blond cadet, the anger and mild annoyance she wore so easily a moment ago fading into something like real concern, “...They're the whole point of all of this though. They’re real. Or will be. It has to be true.”

“Tiff…” Blare sinks a bit in his chair, tone apologetic, “I’m not saying they don’t exist, it just seems unlikely - I could be incorrect, it does happen. It happened in just this class earlier.”

“Yer jus’ sayin’ that cuz’ ye like her.” Rix shakes his head, “Tiff, it doesn't chaynge how come we're 'ere. Sides need soldiers.”

“I suspect they’re already among us.” Zenna finally comments from off to the side, breaking her silence, “Biding their time for when there’s enough of them for it to be worth revealing themselves, safe enough to live as they are. Can you imagine what it must be like to understand others completely but not be understood? ...I’m sure the Federation would only try to exploit them.”

Izumi nods, dark eyes looking over the group, “I’ll go a step further than that, Zenna: I wager that at least one of us is a newtype. Reveal yourself!”

…It’s a good thing you’ve got years of practice pretending to be someone you’re not, but you manage to look unassuming and normal as her gaze sweeps over the group, settling intensely on each person one at a time.

Char smiles as Izumi looks at him, “You know, sometimes I get weird feelings about things, maybe it’s me.”

>>5579294

“...Yeah right, cowboy.” Tiff rolls her eyes, but the absurd claim at least brings a smile back to her face, “At least you believe, Char. Rix, man, you gotta see what’s in front of you.”

Rix doesn’t even look at her, his gaze fixed on you, “Ain't a thing 'ere bit spacenoids, Tiff.”

Seems like the Lunarian question is largely being left behind.

>”...I think there already are newtypes among us. It makes sense that they’d hide themselves, Zenna’s right.” More right than she realizes.
>”You know there’s actually a whole field of newtype research, Rix. It’s not talked about much but there’s plenty of evidence, just request some of Dr. Lom Flanagan’s research papers from the academy library’s databases. My sister is really into it, talks my ear off about it.” None of that is actually secret.
>”Uh huh, Char, you and me both.” …The temptation to toy around with the truth is too great.
>Write-in.

>>5579296
>”...I think there already are newtypes among us. It makes sense that they’d hide themselves, Zenna’s right.” More right than she realizes.

>>5579296
>”...I think there already are newtypes among us. It makes sense that they’d hide themselves, Zenna’s right.” More right than she realizes.

>>5579296
>>”Uh huh, Char, you and me both.” …The temptation to toy around with the truth is too great.