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Blue eyes looked upon the large symbol that was etched into the surface of the planet that laid below them. He listened to the natives of Macragge who said that someone who could even consider making this must have been of so much vanity that it is beyond even the Gods. These words were only brought up here on the planet of Lucius for they saw the Emperor for what he was, a pinnacle of mankind and thus deserved every piece of golden armor he wore.

Roboute looked upon it with a somewhat different eye. It was pride for sure, but this pride was beyond more than just branding their planet. Every piece of manufactured goods they made, let it be weapons, cyborgs, or cups, all bore upon them the symbol. Robute also knew that the symbol was an ‘L’, which is a letter in high gothic dialect derived from Terra itself.

To think Roobute came to a simple observation. This symbol was not the vanity of his brother but an entire planet of Priests thinking they are just that much better than all other Forge Worlds. There was a practical to all this however that went over all of this talk. And to Robute’s understanding it was not because TalOS was upon the planet.

It was that the mark of Lucius meant the product was made to the highest quality. Practical, it was a literal brand in every sense that had ever been invested into that word. Goods directly off of the Forge World are rare thanks to most of its resources being given to its Auxilia. So when the Astartes received a bolter that operated at a higher standard they would look upon the gun to see the brand of Lucius upon it.

Roboute Guilliman recognized this after talking to the War-Born about his brother. When he told his sons that he was going to talk to his brother they had requested him to order them ten thousand boltguns from the Star-Forge Planet.

Such a request was like a blade to Roboute’s head when he heard it. Even now he could still feel the pain of ordering a small Legion’s worth of Boltguns when they are so rare and valuable. The Master of Ultramar learned that Lucius did not even specialize in the creation of boltguns. They were focused on the production of tanks and Titans! The Practical was that he was going to be charged two or three times the price for the same weapon they could get from Mars.

Roboute Guilliman decided that the ultimate desire of his sons will need to be on a lower priority in comparison to Ultramar. With the blessing of his True Father, the Emperor of Mankind, to expand his personal Fiefdom into the stars such a request can be asked for later. What Guilliman needed now was exactly what Lucius produced, tanks and ships for his mortal Legates.

These were his aims, a list of terms that shall be revealed over the course of conversation. It was a list that will only last for as long as he makes good introductions.

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The Primarch of the Thirteenth Legion flew down onto the planet from one of the many Stormbirds that were among his holdings. What made this one stand out among all others was it was a rare model which had originated from the Lucian Auxiliary which joined the War-Born Legion.

He had asked if he could requisition their assistance with being flown down onto the planet. He was given a courteous nod of understanding and a vow of service as he and the Centarii had a drink of the Fabricator General’s B33R.

Alcohol. In all his discussions with the Tech Priests which originated from Mars Guilliman could not get a good understanding of why his brother made alcohol for his Legion. Leman Russ made sense, it was their culture, but from his attempts to satisfy his curiosity the son of Konor Guilliman to mix results. He could have tried the Priests who came from Lucius, to learn from those closest to his brother, but Guilliman also understood they were not close. The only person to get a close confidant of TalOS was Rogal Dorn, who had the Fabricator General’s predecessor among his ranks.

Looking around Guilliman took stock of numerous Tech Priests, both of Lucius and Mars, who he had taken the liberty of talking to throughout the days. They were going to be his guides in this very foreign world that the Masters of Machines have made for themselves. Around him were the War-Born, each of whom were decorated into the Ultramarine colors of Macragge.

As Guilliman felt the gravity of the planet begin to put pressure upon him he wondered if he had enough information. If more was needed then it was information that was not accessible without immense effort. He will need to be satisfied with the information he holds within his mind to craft any theoreticals and practicals during his meeting with his brother.

The Primarch of the Thirteenth looked at the tailgate of his transport for a moment to think. Everything around him crawled to a slow pace as he made sure his robes were acceptable and his standing was adequate. The son of Nobility thought back to the lessons his tutors told him on how to act in these forums, remembering the few times he was disciplined and corrected those subtle errors that he was making.

After these seconds of thought Guilliman allowed the outside world to resume. It was just in time as the tailgate opened to rapturous applause and a powerful sun which bared down upon him.

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The first thing that Guilliman noticed was the sheer number of people who had come to see his arrival. He had heard of the spat and humiliation that his brothers previously had. The fear being that they would look down upon other Primarchs for dueling this sovereign. As he looked around a theory was formed that many of these people were not from Lucius itself but the Federation that his brother Forged. Looking around at the numerous skins and body types, Guilliman was more than willing to believe it.

Whatever bad thoughts might have been with Primarchs and Lucius, people still would not miss the chance to see one in person. Now Guilliman wondered if these people were looking at him like they would a foreign gladiator for their entertainment.

The Master of Macragge decided that doing nothing would bring more issues and began to wave at the people. He gave them the most charming smile which he knew caused many of the ladies who walked among the Senate to faint upon the mere sight of it. Knowing that its effects were going to be dampened by the presence of the hordes of people he brought forward its full might.

After about half a mile of travel the loudest horns that Gulliman had ever heard blared their might for him to hear. He did not let his surprise show, instead his eyes looked towards the Titans of Lucius, the Legio Astorum, to see their full glory brought out. This might have been seen as a scare tactic by his brother, which would be sound practical, but seeing as there were legions of people here cheering him, Guilliman assumed that was their form of greeting.

The further he walked the more he noticed the people changed. Here and there he began to see the Steel Dragon Astartes who were garrisoned to this planet keeping back the crowd. Among the crowd were a series of robed figures who almost all bore a red stripe which marked them as participants of the Reconquista. These Priests were joined by what Guilliman identified as Nobility and a series of small Titans which the Primarch learned to be Knights.

The Primarch has seen a few of them from Mars and the Auxilia. There was truth when the word ‘few’ was said as Guilliman only saw them one at a time. Seeing what he realized was fifty mechs here in addition to the Titan Legion, he realized the power his brother wielded. Again, as referenced before, Roboute knew this was used as an act of greeting and honor to the Primarch. So he accepted it as such.

As Guilliman came to a staircase the loud crackle of weapons fire could be heard from him, a series of blanks and low powered munitions that signified Guilliman’s ultimate arrival to his brother’s palace. Roboute finished waving to the crowd and began the walk to close in upon his brother.

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There had been numerous descriptions and details given as to what TalOS looked like and they were all different. An inquisitive mind would have called half of these as hearsay but upon talking to the Priests of Mars Roboute understood that the body was as fluid as any machine to the cultists. He was even caught off guard once by a Priest who turned from a giant warform to a motorized brain in a jar. He avoided making a fool of himself through noticing the serial numbers laid across the tank and matching them with the original form.

Remembering this he feared the worst. Much to Guilliman’s delight and mind it seemed he caught his brother on a good day when it came to augmentations.

His form was first and foremost extremely human. He did not even sort the odd mechanrite or servo-arm which many of his kin kept upon their persons. His left arm, which was reportedly destroyed in his early life, was attached to its owner once again.

He felt a creep going down his back as Theoreticals formed. The Theory being that his brother knew the ins and outs of a Primarch’s body. For all intents and purposes he knew Guilliman’s body more than Guilliman knew himself.

The closer and closer the two became the more Guilliman could see. About his brother’s body were a series of metal screws that covered both his head and his arms. Instead of Guilliman’s blue eyes the Tech Priest had replaced them with a dark red that was clearly mechanical in nature. They were studying Guilliman just as much as Guilliman was studying them. The thought he had a moment ago made itself known again, which the Primarch banished to the depths of his mind.

He was getting anxious. Something was not right here. Subtle changes to the body that were clearly not what their Father meant for them made themselves known. He was slightly thinner, his head just a tad too small for the body. As if to mock him Guilliman swore he saw the skin upon the exposed hand of TalOS move.

His brother was not a Primarch anymore. Not according to the wishes of their Father. He was master of his own body and this proved the fact that TalOS had made his own Astartes. How couldn’t he? If he was given enough time Guilliman was sure he would take a crack at trying to create another Primarch.

“It is a pleasure to meet you brother.” he said in a mechanical voice that synthesized mortal speech with near perfection, “We have lots to talk about.”

When Guilliman reached the final step the Fabricator General extended his arm in an old greeting. Taking his fellows arm in a shake, Guilliman spoke, “We do brother. We do.”

>Same as always, to the mother
>Tour the facilities
>Want a small game?

>>5493698
I just realized this but if someone knows a good AI art generator we can probably say 'Terry Davis Tech Priest' and get a result.

>>5493698
>Tour the Facilities

We must have heard he is a fellow king. Lets show him our industrial might, make small talk and get our measure.
Learn information, to prepare for compiling a data-preditive file.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother.

I find the reaction of dear little blue very satisfying, the idea that Tal0S has too much power is absolutely correct.
And If it's up to me, this truth will become even more obvious.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

Truly the best judge of character, plus Rowboat will be able to relate to having a family

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>>5493700
Look, it wasn't the best generation, but it's a start.

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>>5493700
But the generation of scenarios, I confess that I am impressed.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
It is tradition

>>5493728
Seem the Abominable Intelligence is good at armor, but struggles with faces.
>>5493730
All of them look good.
Bottom right would fit right in at Mezoa.

>>5493698
>Tour the Facilities
Sounds good to learn more about him.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

>>5493733

That's right, unfortunately you can't make decent images of characters, at least not on the AI I used. But the scenarios, you can make a lot of description of the area in board games much easier with the images that the AI creates.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
>Tour the facilities
Talos Dav15 loves his Mama, everybody knows that.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

>>To the mama!

I can't wait to show nanite combat mode.

>>5493694
>"He had heard of the spat and humiliation that his brothers previously had."
Other than Fulgrim, who is this refering to?
>>5493698
> to mums house.
No corpsestarch this time. Only Grox.

>>5493698
>>Want a small game?

I would pick the Mama option, but this one made me curious.

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>>5493698
Hey QM, just as a question, could we use the Nanobots to permanently make improvements to our biology by either using them to alter our genetics or by using them to physically insert new materials into our megastructure (ie adding Auremite latticing to our bones, or carbon femtosilk muscle attachments, etc), I'm excited either way
Furthermore, I'd really love to make a Mechanicus equiv to the Crusader's cross but made out of Gears and wrenches or something
>Inb4 in the future an experimental mix between our Geneseed and the Geneseed of the Salamander
>The Carbonite Crusaders are well known for their support of civilian populations and their battle prowess

Also the mention of Talos making a Primarch is definitely interesting, what would he be if our Acillians/Astartes are already our Sons? Maybe our Heir?

>>5493948
Two variants: Horus as something unintentional like refusing to go to Council the first time or Alpharius as something intentional xD

>>5493964
That's a good one, but unfortunetly we don't know what Primarch's body is made of. And TalOS know. Whatever you're listing is most likely already inside the Primarch by the Emperor's design, as we know that he used even some alien technologies and genes for Primarch project. Upgrading Astartes or Acilians on the other hand with that is quite interesting, imo.

>>5493698
>Want a small game?
This is Roboute. The master at real time, real life strategy. He played at least 20 games of VR Galaxy Simulator via his Strategios Dark Age machine with Corvus Corax, winning 17 of them. (The machine basically simulated the entire galaxy plus allowed for VR primarch duels with true accuracy as if they were truly dueling)

Yeah the dude would love to play a game lets have one with him.

>>5493964
>>5493974
We had a big list of such ideas several threads ago and got approval so had AL4N and VADAR get to work improving both the biology and mechanical parts of our legion + our legionaries have free reign to augment themselves.

I believe the best way to Interpret it is to say "think of every reasonably cool thing a Mechanicum trained and modified 2nd Legionaire could do" and it basically has happened or left up to player imagination.

As a rule of thumb for example I imagine many in our legion are quite tall because why wouldnt you want bigger stronger bionics. Easily matching Salamander or Alpha Legion size. None the least because remember our Acillians have the Magnificat, something our Astartes dont, and we made efforts to boost it so actually it's likely excluding bionics our Acillians grow naturally taller and beefier than out Astartes.

When QM gives you a blank cheque for imagination, I think it's good to make the most out of it without requiring explicit acknowledgement.

It helps that the Emperor approved the Acillian program and our own body mods, which is silent blessing for us to conduct our own super soldier science projects.

>>5493728
>>5493730
>>5493733
sorry, we will try better next time.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

Joking aside, loved the update and how deep you went into Guillimans mind for this, its always interesting to see the MC from an outside perspective.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
Mother should have more guests that enjoy her cooking.

>>5493698
>Want a small game?

>>5493691
>Goods directly off of the Forge World are rare thanks to most of its resources being given to its Auxilia
I like that we are keeping the very best stuff for ourselves and just manufacturing 'the rest' for our brother legions.

Luckily we should easily be able to supply them all with bolters because we prefer our Volkite standardization, having achieved the Emperor's vision of at least one Legion that has superseded the bolter for them.

>The Practical was that he was going to be charged two or three times the price for the same weapon they could get from Mars.
Hmmm, even our surplus is more expensive than that of Mars main produce, that's hilarious. But hey, it's what you get for artisan works. We aren't just making your bog standard Mars pattern, this is Lucius Pattern. Even the Lucius Lasgun's hit harder than Mars Pattern, and why the Kriegers like em.

Just hope he doesn't ask us for the volkites next. He just escaped Ultramars warp storm and does not have 500 worlds to pay for fancy shit. Yet. We should help with that. After we've ensured we have more than 500 worlds

>>5493692
This must surely be the moment when we inspire Guiliman to build his Propylae Titanicus, the "Titan's Gate", and to get Ultramar it's own Titan Legion to impress Lion during Imperium Secundus. Wonder if Legio Astorum will end up teaching Legio Praesagius of Ultramar a thing or two in its creation.

Anyway Bravo QM! I was hoping to see lots of Guilliman's trademark analysis and you definitely didn't disappoint!

What games would we know or are commonly played?
Regicide?

>>5494277
Regicide is probably universal anywhere human civilization survived Old Night (because it's just chess) it would be an interesting one because we can see if TalOS enhanced brain with computer augments has the capacity to solve the entire game-tree.

Russ also invented his own wood based puzzle-strategy game where you place pieces on a board and use knobs and levers to move the field around, one side playing a Jarl and his soldiers and another a larger horde of beasts. He played it against Khan and Malcador. We might know that one and so might Guilliman if he met him first.

>>5494301
If I'm not mistaken the white scars play mahjong too

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

>>5493964
I was under the assumption that we were now an von neuman swarm in human form.

Gone even further than nanites, our very molecules were at our command as tiny robots that would allow us to manipulate biology and tech at will. The distinction having been erased.

I mean sure. The emperor or isha could probably beat us by using the warp to ignore the hard limits on materials but not when it comes to fine manipulation.

>>5494673
... That is not how nanites work?

I mean, they might be able to work on atomic structures like molecules, but doing that on ones own body is a very good way to die a gruesome death, by being turned into bio-soup. Also, i do not believe they are von neuman style nanites, since we turned our heart into a nanite factory, therefore they may not be able to self-replicate in any major capacity.

>>5494673
>I was under the assumption that we were now an von neuman swarm in human form.
Unforunately QM explicitly said last thread that's not what we are doing. Not "yet" anyway. Instead, we retain most of our biomass which is infused with nanites. So when hit our body, which is already pretty sturdy as a Primarch, hardens up

For now we are limited to our primary biomass and original flesh form.

>Gone even further than nanites, our very molecules were at our command as tiny robots that would allow us to manipulate biology and tech at will.
This is likely how QM may ascribe Necrodermis, which is basically how Ferrus Manus arms work since they're always in motion like fluid metal but hard when needs to be.

>>5494745
In the lore, necrodermis comes in many forms and shapes, though it is sometimes called a metal and other times a composite, the effects of the metal arrives from different applications of Necron science, with nanomachines just being one of them:

"Though the means can vary between Necron dynasties and the skills of the Crypteks that serve them, this miracle is often the result of billions-strong swarms of nanoscarabs (...) However, as with most of the Necrons' arcane techno-sciences, there are almost as many ways to manipulate matter as there are Crypteks. Captive phase-gates, subatomic infusers and temporal loop shrouds can all exhibit similar effects to nanoscarab swarms." -On how necrodermis "heals" itself.

We can therefore reasonbly assume that if we had some nanomachines make either pico- or femtomachines, then we would be able to replicate the effect of necrodermis (although this would also require us to find a material that could stand up to damage as well as necrodermis does. A viable contentor of this would be auromite, though we would have to check it out).

If we want a more human/archaeo-tech version of "Living metal", then we should find out how the armor of the Castigator-class titan was made, since it acted very much like necrodermis, though it does seem to be less strong (ie. its resistance to damage is lower, though it heals just like necrodermis).

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The face of TalOS grew to a smile. “Then we shall head towards my old home. It is not terribly far from here and is much more quant than my Manufactorium.”

“Lead the way.” Guilliman told his brother while trying to keep whatever fears were quaking within his head from being shown.

Wordlessly the Fabricator General turned around and walked his way towards the vehicle. Guilliman understood the model as it was one of many Infantry Transports that the Lucian Auxilia used. While normal transports were not large enough to allow a Primarch entry, this open topped vehicle gave more than enough room for two larger than average men to travel.

What struck the Primarch of the Thirteenth as odd was the fact they were not going into the massive complex that TalOS owned. It was the most sound option to show both grandeur and capability to him. As a way to show what TalOS might provide was indeed the real deal.

The Fabricator General simply stayed silent though as he took his seat. Guilliman decided to sit across from his estranged brother so that if they needed to talk it would be easy to do so.

When the rest of the cohorts were loaded and the Tech Priests that accompanied Roboute dispersed they were off. Still not a word was spoken from TalOS DAV1S, which in itself irked a sense of awkwardness for Guilliman. So he began studying and analyzing, taking in a perfect picture of his brother.

This generation of TalOS’s face was built like his own, a strong pair of cheekbones that was common across all sons of the Emperor. This brother sported what Guilliman identified as a slightly enlarged jawline, which begged the question if this was natural or artificial. There were many pictures of Tech Priests having their jaws enlarged or snapped for a vox caster built in. TalOS was a Primarch though, and Guilliman knew he chose this more humanoid form, so the Theoretical was that this was indeed the true face of his brother.

“I see you are admiring my work, Roboute.” were the first real words that TalOS said to Guilliman, “It was a little difficult to reconstruct my skin and arm. It was the reason I made sure to keep back a series of samples.”

“That is… good to know. If I am in need to medical assistance than I will come to you.+ Guilliman told his brother with a small hum of thought, “If that day does come.”

“If it does there will be much I can achieve.” TalOS answered back with a good amount of pride within his voice.

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Guilliman had not walked the lands of the Mechanicum. To his knowledge only Rogal Dorn had walked on the surface of Mars, and his other brothers walked this planet. Such thoughts and knowledge did not hold back the wandering of his eyes as he decided he spent enough time studying the remodeling of his brother.

There were a great many spires that pierced the sky here, all of them easy to see from the open top vehicle that they rode. Guilliman noted that though these smoke stacks were plentiful, very few of them had black soot coming out of them. From the descriptions of other Forge Worlds the Primarch would have expected this to be different.

When that thought came another thought quickly answered it. When he first walked this planet he felt the ever hot core which was the Star in the middle of the planet. It would then make sense that the Lucians were smart enough to harvest this wonder of techno-sorcery to their whim for the means of power and fire for forges. It was practical, and so Guilliman approved.

The next thing he noticed was the series of rail lines which criss crossed the skyline of the metropolis. The trams crossed through the air at speeds Guilliman would have understood as insane. A normal man who was upon those vessels would have had their necks snapped the moment it started moving.

He was not in a realm of normal men though. Guilliman was in the land of efficient machines. By managing the acceleration and deceleration so closely they were cutting hours off of transport times every month. In Theory, if the people were built for it, then this network could raise the output of the collective many times more.

There were many things like this across the place. Let it be the numerous flight craft wondering the skies or what Guilliman realized was several tons worth of materials being converted from one manufactorium to another. When it came to the Mechanicum and production, as Guilliman understood from his lessons, these were in fact relationships and treaties placed between each of the adepts who owned a facility. To run such conveyor belts from one workshop to another is roughly akin to marriage in the bizarre minds of the Tech Adepts.

There were plenty of things here besides the more bizarre that Guilliman realized were genius techniques developed over centuries of isolation. Seeing the large robotic arm which effortlessly changed railcards from one section of rail to another came to mind.

Slowly the vehicle that they were riding came to a rest. TalOS was the first one off, with Guilliman following in his brother’s footsteps. They entered a small door that looked to be an auxiliary to the greater manufactorium. Whatever TalOS wanted to show Guilliman, it was not going to be the face of an absolute leader.

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As Guilliman walked into the place he felt his understanding of the world be somewhat shaken. Sure there had been times that Guilliman did not know what was around him. Those were the times where he learned that he did not know everything, and that he would need to seek many answers to life out. Before him, Guilliman did not know where to start.

Numerous pieces and bits of technology were strung about the place with either a careless mind or one who did not care for how things looked. Some parts he recognized, many of them foreign to him. Of all the things he should recognize, a teleportation beacon was something that Guilliman did not think he would see again strung out in the open.

The only other time he had seen such technology was in the possession of the Emperor’s personal guard.

The two of them took seats at a table which seemed to have been created for men just of their size. That would have been Practical if Roboute did not notice the age and wearing down the table had taken as if someone was hitting it with a hammer over several years.

“Has something caught your eye brother?” His brother asked, obviously noticing where he was looking.

An odd time to ask that question but Guilliman was not going to be one to judge, “This table was not built for you, was it? Was it a work table for someone?”

“It is my parents, as we are in their workshop.” TalOS answered his brother as he rubbed his human hands on the table, “This table is not the normal one my folks used, so I can only assume they were using the standard table for some work in the back.”

Understanding was reached and it was sound. However that was only understanding in one aspect, “Why have you chosen this venue?”

“Because my mother’s cooking is the best.” TalOS said simply.

Roboute Gulliman, Primarch of the 13th Legion Warborn and Master of Macragge, allowed a burst of laughter to come from himself upon such a simple explanation. His humors settled as fast as they became unbalanced leaving him with a warm heart.

“Mother’s cooking, when was the last time Tarasha fed me with her own cooking.” Guilliman said as he thought to himself, “It does not matter, I look forward to having a meal that you recommend brother.”

“It will be one to remember.” TalOS answered back, “Each of our brothers I know feel that.”

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“So this is tradition to you? Break bread in this workshop?” Guilliman pressed forward with genuine interest.

“It is. Only Ferrus Manus was one who did not get this chance, and that was because he wished to be out in the galaxy as soon as he was allowed.” TalOS answered Guilliman with a hint of honor, “I do not know if you had the chance to meet him, strong headed but a good man.”

“I have not and will not for a while. I understand that he is leading a campaign in the south eastern fringes. I know we will meet when the War Council Convenes.” Guilliman said as he thought about the stories about the brother with steel arms.

“It is a weird way to speak of a family reunion.” His brother pointed out with what Guilliman realized was a bit of camp banter, “A War Council to be the place we all meet for the first time together. Our Creator either knows the irony, ignores it, or knows his creations too well.”

Guilliman thought about the implications that were presented by TalOS. The Theory was sound as unlike a family gathering, a military affair like this one did not need everyone to be in agreement. If it was a family reunion then it would be hard to convince everyone to join when animosity is already forming between each of them.

That, and at least one of their brothers will not go if it's for something as ‘petty’ as a reunion.

“I am sure it is all those reasons and more.” Guilliman said, choosing to ignore for the moment the specific words that TalOS used to describe their Father, “I look forward to seeing us all together. Let it be if any of us had quarrels before or formed friendships, it will be good to meet everyone at once.”

>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
>Keep the opinion neutral
>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.

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>>5494901
>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.
We should be careful, I think Abominable Intelligences want to find out about our pariah research

>>5494901
>>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

>>5494901
>>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.

Well the whole Heresy started from this, so it's a valid statement

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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

Let us give them all a big hug when we meet them even Fulgrim, the sanctimonious asshole that he is, deserves some familial love!

>>5494924
By the Machine God! This can not stand! Our secrets must not fall into their hands.

It also appears to me that the CAPTCHA spirit is up to something... Dark.

>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

>>5494901
>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.
>As much as any of us might dislike the others, it is important to remember two things, firstly, that we are family and secondly, that we are perhaps the only beings in the galaxy that stand a chance of fully understanding eachother, both of those points should not be forgotten
I can't wait until we have an awkward conversation with Lorgar about religion, also I really want to make gifts for each of the brothers we haven't met (and maybe one for Sanguinius as a peace offering)

>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

>>5495163
I support this statement.
>Support

There are 20 [21?] of us. and nobody else will get it

>>5494896
Great, confirmation of the Skorpios. Chalk one more item off the research list.

>>5494899
Based brothers with good parents.

>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
TalOS may have disagreements with Fulgrim, but even Fulgrim is a brother.

Also it's easier to not hold grudges when you are rich.

>>5495163
>"Awkward Conversation"
I think QM makes it abundantly clear via Fulgrim that Primarch arguments rarely just end at arguments. I have a feeling we're going to duel.

>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.

I wanna Krump Fulgrim

>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
When you're successful, you don't care about your detractors.

>>5494901
>>Keep the opinion neutral
cautious optimism.

>>5494901
>>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
We should bring Mom along to cater the event and load a tanker with a cycle's worth of B33R production. See if our Europan Astartes have a nice Terran tatosalat recipe they'd like to contribute, maybe bring along some captive xenos to BBQ. Gotta go all out for a family reunion.

Its a Grudging
>>5494924
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>>5495183
>>5495281

Good to meet one another
>>5495033
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>>5495780

Neutral
>>5495518

rememver to upvote the archive fags https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM

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Guilliman studied the face of his brother as he put forward his thoughts. Every word the Primarch of the War-Born said was as true as it could possibly be. Matters were though that he knew people would have different opinions than himself. It would be good to have an idea of where TalOS stood on such an issue.That was the Practical, at least.

He witnessed his brother’s eyes widen a little and a smile glow, “Animosity will come, but I too look forward to our meeting. In the end issues like those are temporal in nature. The facts of our lives can quickly supersede whatever rivalries there might be.”

“I see, I see.” Guilliman said as he processed the words spoken with the analysis of a trained psychiatric.

The first and foremost was that if there were issues TalOS saw them as fictional. What he cared about were results and facts, that fact being that he saw himself as a step above Fulgrim at this current moment. Could Guilliman call that Hubris? The records show that such Hubris is warranted especially since Fulgrim had no sort of recourse against TalOS.

That was the fact the child of Macragge realized was the matter. A Practical that TalOS has also realized. Being of the Mechanicum and not out on Crusade TalOS was divorce from all happenings. That included things such as requesting others for support or being circumstance forcing them to be closer. If TalOS was to go to war it would be his choice alone.

And if word going around was right, then he had chosen Rogal Dorn to be his partner in war.

“I see you two are having a good time.” Another voice came from the far end of the workshop which snapped Guilliman out of his thoughts. It was far more robotic than TalOS, and the figure that came out would match the voice.

The one to approach was a Tech Priest with a platter of cooked Corpse Starch on a plate. She was female in a basic form but adopted a series of machines to it. One of these machines placed a pair of cast iron plates before the Primarchs and the platter was lowered before them with a gentleness that fit a mother.

“I thank you, madam.” Guilliman told the Priest with a small nod which mimicked a bow, “It is my honor to be served by someone who raised my brother. May I know your name?”

“I am Magos E11IE, partner to C4R in his Teleportation exploits.” She informed the Primarch with a small cheer, “It is always a good time to have one of TalOS’s brothers here. Even that rude one.”

“It always is.” TalOS told his mother with a heartful smile upon his face.

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Guilliman gave a nod to the woman as he looked at the food that was placed before him. He was not foreign to Corpse Starch for it was one of the many things that were upon Macragge. For those on Macragge though Corpse Starch, or was not made of people but of random pieces of animals and planets. Anything that could be used was used and given to the poorest.

On Macragge it was called the mystery bar, for you never really knew what was in it. One thing you did know was that there was no human flesh in it. What was before Roboute definitely was.

He had his hesitations about engaging in 3rd degree cannibalism. If given the choice he might have even decried the practice all together. Those were sound options that held within them a good sense of honor. None of his people would have decried him for resisting such things.

That however was not practical. He was here to make a deal happen and a deal was what he needed to make. To offend TalOS just like Fulgrim would damn Guilliman’s vision to decades more of building.

Thus a practical was reached, and he took a bite.

Guilliman expected for his senses to be overwhelmed with the life and memory of those who were made of this. There was a time when he was forced to eat at a mystory bar because his father wanted to make a point about devisation and poverty. When he ate that material he experienced the world of Macragge from the eyes of a beast. To see the brutality that all beasts like them experienced throughout their entire lives. Such a thing Guilliman always had when he ate meat, but the sheer vividness of consuming the bar sat within his mind.

It was quickly theorized that bits of that bar had a brain in it. It was the reason he never indulged in any brain eating rituals that other families or realms practiced.

That was not what happened here though. Instead of the numerous memories of those who were placed into this paste Guilliman felt a weird rub of matter. Fog was the best way for it, for whatever organ he possessed that allowed him to see the memories of what was eaten was being played with by the Corpse Starch.

A food built specifically for a Primarch. Guilliman was held in a moment of amazement as he realized that nothing was made like this was and never will he eat something like this. Maybe he should amend his comment, for this was not going to be the last time he and TalOS ate together.

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“Did you enjoy the experience?” TalOS asked his brother in a trivial manner.

“Experience?” The Macraggian gave a laugh as his brother summarized a Primarch’s relationship with food in a single word, “It was an odd one. Never had I had a food which so easily fooled my mind.”

“It is only easy because I research it.” Shot TalOS’s mother as she pierced her lips, “It took me three weeks of research to find something that your brother could eat. Imagine your son telling you that he knows the lives of those he ate. It was both a blessing and a terror.”

“I can imagine. When it was first happening to me I did not say a thing thinking everyone had those experiences. I was corrected after a year.” Guilliman laughed as old memories came up, “It was a particularly nasty beast that one was. It was so rotten I tasted it.”

“Oh, interesting.” an odd reply came from the Priest as she gave a courteous bow to TalOS, “I need to get back to the workshop. Do not break anything.”

“We will not.” TalOS told his adoptive parent which was joined with a small bit of what Guilliman learned to be binaric code.

That was a little odd, Guilliman realized. Was that code given to notify him or was it something else? It was too short for anything substantial to be said the Primarch reasoned. So maybe it was a command of some kind?

He was the Fabricator General. Maybe there is an extra dynamic in their relationship because of that.

The two of them ate a little bit more, much to Guilliman’s mixed feelings. He was honest when he said it was an experience eating the meal but the thought of it having humans in it still rubbed on him. The Primarch chose not to show it, and if his brother noticed his discomfort he did not show it.

One thing Guilliman noted was that TalOS had a confidant. A Tech Priest by the name of UZ1 C0LT was close to him and Guilliman had not seen a person match her description anywhere near them. He wondered where she was, and if he should be worried of why she has not shown herself.

It could be anywhere from the woman working on paperwork to setting up assassins for Roboute’s life. The latter was extreme paranoia, so Guilliman decided the former was more reasonable as he knew he had his brother’s trust.

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The meal was finished and Guilliman watched as a Servitor came over to take the dishes. He felt a small moment of pain seeing a man’s contorted face looking back at him with no expression.

“You are not the first brother to look at a servitor like that.” TalOS announced with a clear acknowledgement of Guilliman’s mental state, “That is something you and Rogal both share in common.”

Seeing as his jig was up the Warborn’s Primarch gave a small shrug, “It is hard to look at someone as… human and not as human as this fellow. I do understand that he deserves this fate?”

“And he is redeeming himself in the eyes of the Machine God.” TalOS answered his brother with confidence, “Such is the punishment for the murder of your fellow man.”

Guilliman gave a solemn nod to those words, “He knew what his chances were and failed at it. Fool.” Those were just enough words for someone who would so willingly slaughter their fellow man without care.

Seeing as a chance came Guilliman took in a heavy breath and spoke his mind, “TalOS, I am sure you already suspect that I have come here as Ruler of Macragge. I have a propsition for your Federation.”

“You have my attention.” Answered his fellow Primarch with the pride and force of a venerable leader.

“I come to you looking for a trade deal.” Guilliman decided that being forthright about his desires were going to be the best way to go about this, “While I have a Legion, I have millions of men whose equipment are below imperial standard. If I am to expand I am in need of getting military goods for them, such as lasguns and tanks.”

“That could be ordered. But what in return do you ask for?” TalOS asked his brother.

“Firstly, you do not need to supply the Thirteenth Legion with Auxilia, with the expected equipment to be received shall be less than standard. I pledge to you any technology that is found to be shared between us. Lastly, an open trade agreement between the Federation and my Fiefdom.” Guilliman told TalOS with the confidence of a leader, “I understand that this Forge World and the Federation in general have few amenities for the people. I can give you those.”

>Agree to these terms
>No, we need a bit more *Add what is to be added*
>Reject the proposal.

>>5495987
>No, we need a bit more *Add what is to be added*
Can we add in a clause to have them do weapons testing on a large scale by sending some of our legion with them to conduct experiments
It would be good to get a large amount of battle data and I want to see how practical our weapons and logistics are

>>5495978
>For those on Macragge (...) was not made of people but of random pieces of animals and planets.
>animals and planets.
>planets....

Holy shit, the people of Macragge are fucking badasses!


>>5495987
>agree to those terms
>Propose a deal where they get to try out prototype weaponry/equipment based upon technology we/they find and they send back their requests/observations/comments/other related data about the weapons/equipment and their effectiveness or lack of it.

>>5496007
>Support

>>5495987
>No, we need a bit more *Add what is to be added*
>"I wish to be federation envoys sent together with your legion. Without even a minimal auxilia presence within your legion, Lucian introduction to fellow Forge Worlds found by the Thirteenth would be undercut."

>>5495987
>Agree to these terms.

Finally! An incentive to accelerate the development of the federation, and with bonuses of new materials to develop into consumable commodities for us and the Empire.
I say we have no reason to deny this deal, especially with technology in mind. In addition, we have more than one forge world in our federation, one of which can specialize in the production of traditional armor and weapons for the legions, the time has finally come for us to bring capitalism to our nation

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>>5496026
We shall share the glory of Capitalism
Communism with the rest of Humanity!

+++DEUS MECHANICUS+++
++The Machine God wills it!++

adding to my vote here >>5496011

>>"I wish to be federation envoys sent together with your legion. Without even a minimal auxilia presence within your legion, Lucian introduction to fellow Forge Worlds found by the Thirteenth would be undercut."

>>5495987
>Agree to these terms
We are so greedy.

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And to think a Servant Servitor is probably the lesser of punishments. Woe betide the ones who become Thallaxi!

>>5495987
>No, we need a bit more
>#1 When you say 'all technology' mean it in a literal sense, regardless of its origins. We will be the judge of that which the Machine God deems pure, like with our Blackstone Fortress (even Xenos tech i.e. the Pharos - Guilliman was distinctly against Xenos Tech and tried to keep it secret)
>#2 Ultramar once had 500 worlds, records indicate that some of those worlds were once Industrial planets may now be Forge Worlds (Metallica & Konnor). Allow us to have some influence on them, both to ensure fealty to Mars (fulfill our promise with Kelbor Hal) and good trade with the Federation
>#3 Ultramar and Lucius is very, very far away. Possibly one of the two most distant realms, with near the entire galaxy between us. If we are going to supply Ultramar, they will need to help us work together build a series of Depot Planets and Warp Rest Stops for convoys. This will allow both of us to swiftly come to the aid of each other even considering the vast distances. A Trans-Galactic Warpway (This will be critical when the Rangdan Invade from the east)
>#4 The Great Crusade is encountering many non-compliant planets. It is known that there will soon be an excess of prisoners to be doled out by Terra as Penal Brigades. The Ultramar Auxilia seems to prefer free men. Request that Ultramar send us their share of the penal brigades, so that we can allow them to be redeemed as Combat and Factorum servitors.

If we're going to supply Ultramar or participate in the Rangdan War, the logistics of crossing the entire galaxy from the west to the east will be a bitch. So let's make that easier.

Also doing this will directly set us on the path towards the Squats

We should invite him to that alliance of rulers things we hashed out with Leman

>>5496222
>Support >>5496189
>Also Invite him to Alliance of Rulers with Leman
I remember that conversation, yeah. Also Roboute having a love of logistics would support a series of depot planets to speed transit between our fiefdoms.

>>5496222
>>5496227
Wouldn't that require that we ask Leman if he would be okay with that? Can't just say he is in when we don't know if the other part of the agreement hasn't stated their opinion on it.

>>5496230
I think an invitation would be more a sort of meetup with him. We did specifically say we intended to invite another brother. This is that brother.

>>5495987
I will be
>Supporting SoN's stuff >>5496189
I read through the points and they sound good for long term benefits.... Also hopefully we get some fancy new toasters out of this. Additionaly
>Also Invite him to Alliance of Rulers with Leman
By being aligned together we can together have vast amounts of power at the war council. And if in the future some primarch whines *cough*LorgarFulgrimOrMagnus*cough* we can project even more power against them by asking our fellow kings to not work with them.

>>5496189
>support
Finally an empire building brother!

>>5496222
Support

>>5496007
Sorry. Sorry.

Technically it is made of planets though!

>>5496189
you know that Ultramar only became a 500 world empire under bobby right? is point #2 doesn't really work.

>>5496189
The only thing here is that you want Metallica. Everything else is semantics or distance which does not really matter since there are literally only two active Forge Worlds.

>>5495987
Support >>5496189

Holy shit, this captcha is driving me NUTS!

>>5496274
Well, every political propostitions starts with a lot of demands where only 1 or 2 points are relevant, everything else can be sacrificed on the negotiation. The goal is to foster good relationship with his brother. You as our superior in lore and this quest know what TalOS actually need, all else can be given away so that Roboute will feel good about this deal

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>>5496274
Fair. I am aware that actually a number of forge worlds of the 500 worlds were started shortly after Guilliman's discovery. The point being more to play a hand in their formation perhaps.

Although, another that comes to mind that was founded since the Dark Age.
Forge World Accatran
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Accatran
>"It was settled sometime during the Dark Age of Technology by early Mechanicum Explorators."

>>5496301
Anon puts it well, whichever parts are relevant keep em.

>>5496274
Asking Roboute for his share of the penal regiments is probably going to be significant. They were a big thing in the Great Crusade since so many planets resisted, and also he's probably going to get a bunch of recalcitrants when he starts taking over his empire. More servitor material for us.

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>>5496269
Ultramar was the 500 worlds prior to the Age of Strife and the Long Night. It was Roboute's father's dream to reclaim the 500 worlds, and Roboute himself who made it happen.

It's possible we're even aware of it from Federation history as the President.

>>5495987
>Support >>5496189 and >>5496222
Let's invite Bobby into the alliance. He and Russ got along rather well.

>>5496346
We could use this bit of history as propaganda, helping our brother to rebuild another legacy of the old Federation.

....We should ensure that Kelbor doesn't get suckered by Horus this time around.

Else we might end up having to rebuild the mechanic um.

>>5496543
Or let him to be sucked on - then kill him off and become the head of the Mechanicus. He's our only rival for the position really.

>>5496543
We've chosen every option we can when presented to earn his favor and trust. My hope is if he still has Heretek tendencies, we push him towards the Necron and Fear of the Warp side.

>>5496551
We would be far too busy with the Mechanicum schism if Kelbor goes the way he does in canon. A loyal man on Mars serves us infinitely more than Mars going traitor. Terra cannot fall while Mars still stands to threaten Horus fleet, it is the gateway to the Throneworld.

If we play our cards right, the final great battle could be over the skies of the red planet rather than the gold one.

>>5495987
>There is more to be added; Clarify that we do mean all technology even xeno tech, give us the forge worlds, mention having our support to enter into a concord of kings.

We can't join him without Leman, but we can give him our support for his induction once he has hashed it out with the wolf king.

>>5496561
There is a lot of secreats and threats that can be TalOS undoing - no need to look that ahead in the future. MC might not be alive then.

>>5496571
That may be, that may be. But if TalOS is slain, it better have been after the peeling back of every single redundant dozens of layers of defense he had prepared.

Then we consider whether or not to activate the TalOS inferior

>>5496054

Our civilization is fundamentally aristocratic, religious and oppressive against the poorest population. Furthermore, there is no shortage of food, so we cannot take on the mantle of such an inefficient form of government.

>>5496576
Not to mention a "Trickle Down" mentality when it comes to the welfares of the masses.

The King eats, and the Peasant gets the stuff that trickles down behind him.

>>5496576
All those describe the soviet union, and the famines under the soviets were more intentional ethnic cleansing and genocide. China had the real famine because war against birds.

While on the Topic, I'm certain the main style of government in 40k is a near exact topic of the soviets, with similar problems. Ignoring the civilian industries in favour of military, constant infighting, religiosity (Marxism is a religion), disregard for human life, not friendly to small business and a byzantine nightmare to manage.

Going by this, Our federation would probably be like Yugoslavia which was much more prosperous compared to the soviets. Hopefully without the ethnic divisions.

>>5496664
30k was arguably better governed than 40k, depending on the primarch.
Living in Guilliman's ultramar in 30k was probably as good as it got nigh short of the Age of Technology.

There's been some mention of improved conditions or at least improved food for the Federal Empire of Lucius but QM hasn't yet gotten around to the turns when the players can input plans with the senate for some major reforms. With Roboute with us now might be the best time since he is the governor Primarch.

>>5495987
Fuck it, hat in with this retard >>5496189

>>5496670
Ultramar is a sweet place to be and we should definitely review our realm with the Big Blue, but due to how the Mechanicus does things I don't think we'll be anything more than Yugoslavia to the Imperium's Soviet Union.

Yugoslavia was the industrial powerhouse of the "Communist" countries, even making cars that could be competitive in an European free market since unlike the soviets they invested in things that would make the nation become stronger in less superficial ways. If they had managed to not fall to ethnic tensions the instant Tito died they'd still be an industrious power today. Hopefully a Mechanicus adept won't stick a bottle up his ass in our case.

>>5496189
>support

>>5496686
China after the reforms did the "succesful communist country" better and more accurately reflects the parity of power with the USSR.

However fundamentally I disagree with labeling either the Mechanicum or the Imperium after communists. Autocrats of the highest order yes, but communism has some very significant motifs that are antithetical to many of what the Imperium or Mechanicum or our Federation stand for.

>>5496189
>Support

Also we are simultaneously the bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the church wrapped into a single package and we are grasping the means of production with an actual iron fist. "Compliance" is at the heart of the Great Crusade and literally means counter revolution and keeping the people and workers in line for the war effort and benefit of the wealthy elites. We're a caricature of the things Marx would have railed against.

We are not communists.

>>5496705
Look mate, I'm not saying we're commies. But what you described is nearly word for word what the Soviet Union was.

Communism that is practiced around the world is a Religion for all intents and purposes. Marx is seen as god and his scripture is interpreted to justify a whole bunch of things, aside from him communism has a bunch of "saints" that some people prefer more (like lenin, stalin, Trotsky), communist countries universally have an inquisition in the form of secret police which would be very at home within the inquisition in 40k, communist countries without exception form an aristocracy that controls everything (like politburo) or even form literal monarchies in the case of north korea.

My point is reality, not the paradise on earth that Marx promises his followers. The Imperium has all of these and there's very little in it that's not similar to the Soviets in some shape or form.

We're not theoretical communists, we're the ones we saw in practice. With all the war crimes and genocides in it.

>>5496756
I think what we need to realize is if we want a command or control economy.

>>5496760
Is that Command vs Control economy.
Or a Command/Control economy vs Free Market.

Most facets of the Imperium lean heavily towards Command Economy, if not all of them. Everywhere from the Imperial Administratum, to the Mechanicum, to even Roboute's Ultramar. I have a hard time seeing the Federation being so different from them all, especially with the amount of Knightly influence we have who want to maintain their fuedal economies which are also command ones.

The most amount of Free Market I can envision is when our Explorator Fleets start working jointly with Rogue Traders.

>>5496756
I don't want to open a discussion about communism vs capitalism or whatever, let me just say he is right, Marx would have railed against it and you are right that was what the USSR became while trying to achieve communism as an end goal.

Its a whole lot more difficult than Imperium = communism, it is an authoritarian regime tho, thats undeinable.

>>5496767
That was kinda my point, I'll go on to say that what Marx would rally against hardly mattered to anyone in any communist country. It's similar to how Jesus would be disappointed with nearly all Christian nations in the middle ages and what they did, but those nations justified their existence by Christianity and Jesus.

In the end Communism is a Religion with all the trappings of a religion, it promises a utopia to its followers and until that utopia is reached everything can and will be justified for the "better good".

We're an aristocratic (or oligarchic) theocracy with a planned economy, with significant amount of government power concentrated in very few elites of society with the majority of the population living in a rain of constant propaganda and surveillance, subject to being redacted if they commit heresies against the state and its religion. The best example of this we had and have are communist nations, as even those that reform more or less fit this description.

That's why I'm saying we're like them, and I'd rather be one of the more successful ones rather than the miserable ones. I compare to Yugoslavia because I genuinely think we are subject to its strengths and weaknesses. Like Yugoslavia we are a major industrial base capable of producing high quality goods, and I believe that due to us being a federation and granting a significant amount of autonomy to those under us we are in danger of balkanisation if we seem week or the contract we offer does not satisfy our subjects longer.

>>5496782
I don't agree with the comparison of communism to religion, the issue you describe is more basic one that the USSR does share with religions. Namely excess morality, as long as it 'reaches communism' everything is allowed in the present to reach a promised end goal of perfection.
In contrast religions typically promise an afterlife, although that isn't always the case either.
Anyway, thats it from me, its not really the place to further discuss this.

I am incredibly happy that my shitpost has sparked such an interesting debate!

>>5496794
Fair enough

Also if i had to throw my hat into the argument, then the Mechanicus isn't communist, but it does have some communal values and i hope we could add some socialist values too it.

First off: Economy
The Mechanicum does make use of a planned economic structure, but it is less "five-year plan" and more "Communally agreed production quota that can change when needed" which is augmented by what the Fabricator General wants produced and what requests are asked of them. Why communally? Because the Tech-priests send requests for specific production facilities to their higher ranked fellows, who then decide what should and should not produced, whereafter it is produced ad infinitum until their death. The amount of material produced changes, but everything is produced and never stopped again. That is also why resource sharing could be seen as marriage, since you give up some of your production to augment your loves production.

Second; People
The Mechanicum takes care of themselves and their assets, but they do not "really" treat people outside of their group as people. So, if you are a part of their group, then they ill make sure that you are taken care of and do what is needed to ensure you live a productive and good life(according to their tenets), but everyone else is treated, at best, like cogs in a great machine. So while they might "maintain" those cogs, most unfortunately see them as being replaceable, which we are changing and have been changing with our guidelines (such as F.A.G). What i would hope we might achieve is a low-cost healthcare system to increase the people's life, cheap and bountiful food (we are nearing this), a more diversified economy and a better education system.

Third; Government
We are a Representitive Democracy with a Benevolent semi-Dictator running it. If we were truly communist, we would have a Direct Democracy, where everyone could vote and raise agendas (which, while the Federation can't, the Mechanicum of Lucius can and have done(voting goes fast when everyone has wifi in their heads)).


Summed up; we have some communal values, but we are far from even being able to call ourselves "communist" and i don't believe any one of us wants to.

>>5496856
There's a line from one of the Taghmata HH books I like that basically says anytime the Mechanicum do something or go to war, they only do so once they have quite literally ensured without a fraction of doubt that victory is achieved.

In between instantenous Noospheric communication, blessed algorithims and machine spirits as close to AI without going AI as they are willing to push, and the sheer control over every facet from the logistics, to the tactics, to even the very imperatives used on drones and servitors. It puts a conventional command economy to shame, but also every action is backed up with the calculations to say "this was the most optimal course of action, all others are objectively and calculably inferior"

I think it's very pious. In order to avoid the sin of Abominable Intelligence via Cluster Computing, it is the priests themselves offering their own mental and cogitator capacity over the noosphere to achieve a similar effect. It won't be as all powerful and efficient as a true AI or Gestalt Computer, but damn if it isn't the next best thing.

>>5496856
I'd say we're hardly a representative democracy, it's more of an oligarchic counsil similar to what Rome had in it's Republican era. Of course that's more democracy than any other organisation has in 30-40k but it's not good under modern circumstances.

When it comes to direct democracy being the communist way, I'd say that's simply another interpretation of Marx's scripture. I won't get to defending vanguard parties but syndicalism is another interpretation that is arguably more correct, in which workers form syndicates which act as representatives of it's members in a sort of national syndicate counsil which in turn make the decisions a nation needs to make.

Funnily enough we sorta do that, but instead of the workers being in charge of the syndicates it's techpriests trying to achieve maximal efficiency in regards of their assemblies and representing the interests of their factories in the federation counsil.

Either way, I'm not a theologian so I shouls not try to interpret more than I have. Every communist in the world think their interpretation is the right one, and I have made the mistake of arguing with anarchists before.

I do hope we improve the overall life quality of the common people than just the 1%, but the average techpriest would regularly skin children if they found it created 1.5% increase in production, so i don't have much hope.

>>5496868
In the "priests of Mars" book it mentions that human gestalts have been made illegal recently because of their tendency to go rouge when they encounter one on a space station. The thing is it's "recently" to 40k, so mechanicus should have a few human gestalts being the core of ships and space stations around in 30k

>>5496870
I do agree on it being closer to a roman council, but with religious overtones and with a wealthy ruling class as well. But i would stay far away from it being in the workers interests. The FAG is the closest to worker representation that the mechanicum has ever seen and even that is mainly arguing for more production.
The workers aren't seen as much more than worker drones with a free will instead of direct servitorization.

Good that you mention souls, cause as far as i can tell the dogma of the mechanicum gives the workers a 'divine right to work and produce' that is quite literally religously enforced.
Its rather likely that workers who refuse or just question this situation are made into servitors or become part of the blood sport in the arenas.

>>5496870
>arguing with anarchists

Big oof, that never goes well and you'll never reach a satisfying conclusion arguing with them.


Anyway, to a more related note: Do you guys think we should make a department that would promote Mechanicus values and culture on our worlds? Right now we only have the ruling class intrigued in our culture and the public has only seen our technological prowess in gladitorial combat and farming, which isn't really what our culture is about. I know we have given leave for the spread of our religion to the masses, but religion does not equate to culture and i think it would be good for our cohesion if every planet we had could see itself in each other (ie. every planet would see themselves as being brothers/sisters and thereby ensure that cultural conflict would decrease and help create in interstellar identity as us being "The Federation").

>>5496874
If I were to hazard a guess that could probably more a 'hard gestalt' for lack of a better term where everyone's consciousness are extremely linked together to approach a literal hivemind, rather than the figurative or 'soft gestalt' of just being a highly efficient form of instantaneous communication between a large group of intelligent but ultimately individuals able to simultaneously access the same data and resolve logical conundrums together in a fraction of the time a verbal council would take.

>>5496878
>religion does not equate to culture

I get the feeling TaL0S would disagree on that.

Its probably better to introduce a common founding myth of the Federation.
1. We had the terrible 'Long night' and our planet was holding on and we did our best to survive and strife.
2. Lucius managed to escape their solar system first and united with us to forge a force powerful enough to fight the Orks and aliens with
3. We all endured and then reunited with the rest of humanity as equals!

Poetic i know, but it works as a founding myth with overcoming something, the population feels appreciated to be an "equal" partner and the same goes for being part of the Imperium of Man.

>>5496878
A propaganda division would be good. People to emulate the the Imperial Iterators who functioned both as spreaders of the Imperial Truth and the Imperial cause in general.

In general though, I think just living on a Forge World is itself a powerful cultural agent. If you've played the fist Space Marine game on Xbox you got to see things like regular Vox propaganda speeches and recordings from the individual factorum workers and their daily lives.

And you raise a very important point, our revival of the old Federation. That sort of shared pre-Age of Strife identity can be very powerful. It's basically going to be the same basis that Roboute will use to reform the 500 worlds by harking unto a golden age long ago.

>>5496885
Ooooh, i like that, we should definitely try to popularize that in the minds of our people.

>>5496878
I'd love that, we had a choice of teaching our religion to the masses but democracy said otherwise, so maybe we'll get a culture choice sometime?

Although with how much our religion is intertwined with our culture we might have missed that chance entirely.

The creation of a Federation identity is key to our continued existence, we need to make sure every citizen is a Federation member first than whatever they come from, like americans

>>5496881
Yeah you're right, they're basically an AI made out of human brains that has the capacity to navigate the warp similar to navigators

>>5496887
I could see that being a common idea that the two develop in their conversation. These two are probably the biggest conquerors/rulers among the primarchs, so TaL0S giving him advice before he sets out would be in character.

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>>5496885
That's a very Lucius centric narrative though. We could use something bigger, even if Lucius is the center piece. Consider that our realm will include other powers and provinces such as the Manachean Commonwealth.

I think its possible to try and either discover (or fabricate) a narrative of a local greater state or realm from the Old Federation, much like the 500 worlds of Ultramar. Consider IRL how many powerful nations tried to recapture the identity of Rome. I don't think it's unlikely at all that the Gothic Sector was once part of some Federal region.

Also, of course, we cannot forget the Mitu. In this timeline I hope they aren't wiped from memory in the far future but form the basis of a shared hatred and trauma from them and the despising of the psychic xenos and the supremacy of man and man's machines.

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This talk of human gestalt thinking machines made me remember the Hous Ordos Excecutrix from Westwood Dune games.
That's all I wanted to say.

>>5496899
Every science fiction rips off from DUNE, so maybe that was the inspiration for it.

Or there's only so many ways you can build not-AI in a galaxy that explicitly forbids code greater than >print hello world

>>5496898
I mean it IS the Lucian Federation.

But, this formula can be broadly applicable to every single planet in its territory. You just have to insert the actual planet into the first part, that then is met by Lucius and its representatives to be reunited against the Orks and Aliens.
Until they later meet the empire 'side by side as equals' or something along those lines, its a way to give the planet a sense of agency, while ensuring their loyalty.

>>5496903
While on the topic, you guys seen the movie?

I was at first disappointed with the minimalist artstyle, but god damn the movie was made amazingly. Best soundtrack I've ever heard

>>5496907
The only thing I saw was the Sardaukar that other people said was cool.
It was.

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>>5496911
Sardaukar throat singing.
This tube dude

>>5496913
That was a cool scene, but after i saw the meme version where he sings "Hamburger hamburger hamburger, cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger" i haven't been able to see/hear it without laughing.

>>5496915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an289RSt1Cc

>>5496911
If you're up to it it's the perfect movie to watch with psychedelics
>>5496918
lol

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I think I got it. Seems the Autism has infected my story finally. I hope its not fatal.

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>>5497089
I should have said thread, but you fellows need to understand my brain is currently fried like tendies. Might need to sleep before update because damn.

>>5497090
Oh no mama E11IE cooked QM's brains for desert.

>>5497089
>finally
Sorry to tell you this but it's been their since the beginning.

>>5497151
Not nearly this much. Normally I only have one or two, note four.

>>5497152
Hey, I just wanted diplomats

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A proposal was cast, his hand extended to see what he would get back. Such were the issues of negotiation that he knew would always happen. Even people who are awed by the presence of Guilliman’s transhuman figure would quickly forget about it the moment he starts to encroach upon their money.

Looking at his brother Guilliman knew there were going to be some trades and caveats. There always were. Maybe Roboute placed his hand too far forward for this negotiation and that he is going to be asked something unreasonable. If the price outweighed the benefit, no matter how large the benefit, then it was practical to shut down negotiation.

He will simply need to wait and see.

“There are four points of contention that I need to have realized.” TalOS proposed, “One will be a clarification, the others requests. Of the clarification, you speak of all technology. You know that as a Priest of the Mechanicum any science that is found to be xenos in origin must be disposed of.”

Guilliman gave a simple nod knowing that while held in religious dogma there were plenty of reasons for this, “I understand. As long as both Macragge and Lucius stand witness to its destruction I agree with it. You know more than me, and for that I trust you for that determination.”

And just in case, it would also prevent anyone under TalOS from slipping technology that should have been destroyed. Guilliman felt he could trust his brother. It was those he could not see that he needed to be wary of.

“I understand. It will be arranged.” TalOS agreed with a small nod, “The next is that there are likely Forge Worlds within the sphere of influence that you are building. If you find ones of sufficient size then you are to inform me about them so that I may visit them to bring them into the Mechanicum.”

Reasonable but with underlying meaning. Guilliman had heard that his brother was a close follower of Mar’s law. This agreement however was a stickler since it might be seen as a power grab. When it came to Mechanicum power politics. If sides were going to be drawn into the sand Guilliman would take the person before him who shared his blood. After all it was blood which was the strongest tie.

“You shall have your words with them as to the Treaty of Olympus. It is the domain of the Mechanicum, it does not matter to me how your Cult decides to enforce them.” Guilliman answered in such a way to give both permission and keep his distance lest issues were to come up.

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Things were going well, Guilliman reasoned. These demands were something that he could see as acceptable and useful. Though in these kinds of negotiations, Guilliman had played his hand, he also knew there were things he could give back. If TalOS were looking to gain an additional benefit then Guilliman might be able to take a thing or two back. That was kept staunchly by his desires for technology, which while he lost some control over the tech he now had a reason to place his Astartes and Administrators into the same room as the devices at all times.

What was going to be next? Guilliman had to take a moment to wonder.

“Next, I believe it would be logical for us to prepare a form of transit way between our realms.” the Fabricator General propositioned, “We are lacking a way to move our goods easily from one to the other with the Warp always tearing out upon us. We should look into reinforcing and building up stable warp-lanes between our lands if we are to closer integrate ourselves.”

That was a suggestion that Guilliman enjoyed hearing from someone other than him. There were to be a few issues with it though, “Such a route will require resources to maintain. In the current state of the galaxy and ourselves I do not see how we can easily build it. I am not opposed to it but it cannot be made yet.”

“A reasonable assessment. You need a powerbase to build from, then it can be accomplished. Then you wish to agree but place a timeless delay on the idea?”

“When I am able we will make it. Right now I am not, and if you push your territory too far then it will cause issues with your suzerain.” Guilliman pointed out cleanly and plainly.

“Then that is conceded for now.” His brother agreed while placing his hand upon his chest.

That was likely not the best choice the two of them could have come to but Guilliman could not do it. Not when he was aware of so much more needing to be done for his people and the building of his realm. Building such a lane now would place him at such a disadvantage that it is unacceptable even if it was made with altruistic intent.

It is best not to be the lesser in this relationship. To attack issues like this at equal standing gives both sides power. Once Guilliman has about fifty worlds he will be much more comfortable with joint projects like this one.

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“Then we are finally brought down to the last item.” TalOS said much to the relief of Guilliman, “With all realms there are undesirables, those who will not agree with your new order no matter what you do. Let it be revolutionaries, murderers, or organized criminals. What I want are those people, for the forges are eternally thirsty for bodies.”

That was a request that caught Guilliman off guard, “You want my people?”

“I want those who do not agree with your people and their creed. Let is be worlds that are noncompliant or those who organize themselves against you. I have seen a few of their kind. The kind who cannot see reason when our answer to them is torture conceaved by the Abominable Intellegences of old. They are fools, and it is best for the Mechanicum to receive them than you to terminate them.”

In his time with TalOS Guilliman thought he was growing used to being next to him. A sense of shared humanity that might be useful later on. It was here that Guilliman realized that his unnerving thoughts when he first met his brother were right on the mark.

His brother was a sort of human. One who was divorced from standard experiences. One who so easily asked for the lives of his fellow man as if they were simple goods. Guilliman knew in the end manpower was really numbers, each of whom had their power amplified by equipment, but this was different. He will be selling these people to their damnation.

Was he willing to do it?

Guilliman shifted in his chair as he processed the thoughts. Theoretical; it is much better use of resources as Guilliman would have simply had those people killed. By given them to the Mechanicum these people will still be of use. He will not do this to damn entire worlds, but Guilliman would use it for dissonants. As TalOS suggested, those who did not mesh with his order will be the victims.

Guilliman looked at the Servitor once again and pointed at it, “What is his story. What crime did he commit?”

The eyes of the Fabricator General shifted for a second to scan the face of the cyborg Guilliman pointed out, “Infanticide. It was his Nephew, judged to be a result of either mental breakdown or revenge against the parents. This is his penance.”

So those were the kind of people that were put in this. He can do it, but Guilliman will never give his people for free even if they are murderers, rapists, and gangmembers. At a time like this he needs to see what exactly TalOS would be willing to give, “My brother, these are still my people even if they are against my ideals. I will not outright deny you, but my heart is still heavy with this decision. What will Lucius give for what will likely be millions of souls to be damned by our decision?”

>A Small Sub-Branch of Knights
>You get your guns at cheaper prices
>Three Titans.
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Further Technology Transfer
>Other

>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
and
>You get your guns at cheaper prices

>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines

>>5497217
>You get your guns at cheaper prices
>Other: Aid for re-construction efforts and infrastructure expansion for after the war. I know you seek to reestablish the realm of Ultramar and i wish to help with that.


This should ensure that he agrees and that we get a steady flow of bodies for our factories. Besides, having another developed region nearby that requires resources that our forges produces can only help our economies.

>>5496905
I'd love to rename our faction to the Holy Lucian Federation, just for the HRE memes
>>5496913
Sardukar kick ass, I'd love to create our own version of them as a Swiss Guard or PayPal army. Find some Death World and recruit a mortal army from it as a junior step to our Space Marines.
>Alpine Death World of Kanton
>Planet is filled with high mountains and the occasional low valley
>Constant interplay between warlords has led to a vibrant population of mercenaries that are skilled with one of the three cultural weapons (Two handed greatsword, long pike, and a natively produced knife they call the Zukri)
>The people of this world call themselves the Zwurka (Swiss-Gurkha)
Cheesy, but I think it would be fun just for something extra for Talos to have around

>>5497217
>>Tutelage for your Marines
Techmarines a go!

>>5497217
I want you all to realize this is a negotiation. Think of it as one.

>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Further Technology Transfer

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>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
Let's give Land a boon for teaching us on Terra.

If the Ultramarines are going to have Techmarines, let's also give them vehicles for them to make good use of as Techmarines. Guilliman is going to go on his own lightning campaign to reconquer the 500 worlds, so assault vehicles will speed up the effort.

Our Legion will make better use of the Triaros and Stormhammers for assault transports anyway, but if we're going to supply the rest of the Imperium with these things, let's start first with a Brother who will make good use of them to restore the Old Federation in the east.

The Achilles Alpha is awesome btw because in addition to being tankier, it's also got Volkites, our Legions specialty, and something we usually just hoard to ourselves. A direct gift from Lucius to Ultramar.

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>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
This is exactly what Bobby needs for his own reconquista, a way to move marines quickly. It will also earn us Arkhan's favor.

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>>5497217

>You get your guns at cheaper prices.
This is something he wants, something he needs. And if the reputation of our systems spreads we will be able to close other contracts in the future, an option that benefits both of us.
By the way I'm taking everything into account from armor to vehicles, from melee weapons to firearms.

>Tutelage for your Marines.
Expanding our dominance as master of the crusade logistics is something we have as our core objective. In addition, we will be able to expand our information network, with this we will already have infiltrated three legions.

>Further Technology Transfer.

Well, developing new products based on the technology we found for our allies seems obvious, unless the option is to expand our requirements, in which case, ignore this part.

>>5497274
>Support

>>5497252
In that case I'm adding
>>5497223
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
To my vote.
If you see another post, I deleted it

>>5497217
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider

We need to test those machines and it will be a much better deal. Knowledge is much more valuable than any materials you will give them.
Tutelage for marines could mean that Roboute may not come to TalOS when interesting piece of technology would be found and use it himself. After all most of Primarchs with needed knowledge and even the Emperor didn't give a shit about Mechanicus tech privilege when interesting piece of tech was found.
Three Titans are too much.
Guns for cheaper price will make looks like we buy slaves which MC kinda do, but we need to sugar coat it for Roboute.

>>5497226
>support
We need to help him build

>>5497217
>You get your guns at cheaper prices
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
It is interesting that Rowboat Girlyman came to us for his arms shipments instead of Mars as is the standard for the Legions.

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>>5497616
My guess is the Mars Pattern Bolters are designed primarily for Mass Production. The standard models universal to space marines everywhere.

Lucian Pattern Bolters are Artisan and Master-crafted things, since Lucius is the Artisan planet. Less Salamander beauty and gem encrusted, more optimized to hell and back. As close to getting Mechanicum bolters without being in the Mechanicum. Customizable, modular, high quality materials.

Forge Bolters with built in cogitator targeting.
Shoulder mounted Maxim Bolters
Cognis munitions and rounds of every flavor. Possibly even having reverse engineered a few archaotech bullets to replace conventional HE with Federation Micro-Atomics.

Really high quality stuff that we first horde for ourselves, and then sell the remaining surplus to everyone else. And even then they are lucky with the supply of bolters because normally we just don't use them and prefer Volkite as our standard arms instead. Even our surplus weapons are artisan.

Roboute, being Roboute, would like to get some of the good quality stuff for his precious Ultramarines so he goes directly to the source.

>>5497217
>Cheaper guns
>Land raiders.

first roll out. Aren't we nice.

>>5497705
Somewhere In previous chapters Roboute thought that those bolters are the same as from Mars but more stylish, so that he is overpaying for big L on it only.

So here is the question for you all
>We will break the deal for Servitors
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.

>>5497822
>We will break the deal for Servitors

>>5497822
Just to point out, the first option is you will break the deal because Guilliman will not accept sending his people to become servitors.

>>5497822
>>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.

>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable
I would rather renegotiate later for servitors and just get a base agreement now
Maybe he will have better stuff to trade after building up

>>5497853
agree with this, we could leave in the option to later renegotiate. ideally when we also are both in a postion to build that trade route.

>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over servitors is unreasonable

I mean, we just want to be effecient. It's a benefit but not the main one, since it would damage our position with Guilliman in the future.
Servitors is also a none critical issue for us, it strikes at nothing of our beliefs.

>>5497826
In that case I'm changing to
>>5497824
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
I thought it meant we would throw away only the servitor part of the deal, not the whole thing.

>>5497859
You are right, that's why I corrected myself.

>>5497822
>We will break the deal for Servitors

>>5497822
>>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
Bobby spending resources to kill off his undesirables instead of trading them for more resources is unreasonable but whatever, it's not worth writing off the rest of it. Does he not run penal troops/last chancers either?

>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.

>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.

>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.

>>5494896
>room for two larger than average men to travel.
That's an understatement

>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable
A penal trooper/worker's life is to die. What we offer them is a mercy. To serve their sentence without pain and without fear against the terrors of the galaxy

For those whose crimes are not worthy of the horror of thallaxi, it is a humane and dignified end.

So the idea was to present Guilliman with lessons and cheaper stuff for the dregs of society. As that is where Guilliman stops, the deal will continue.

>>5498385
I also saw some votes for giving him some land raiders.

>>5498389
Yeah, about 4 out of all the other votes. Simply put technology is not how you get a man like Guilliman to see past morals.

>>5498391
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>>5498392
My point still stands.

>>5498378
To clarify - i dont think we should break the entire deal over this but as others have pointed out we can try to renegotiate later. Ultramar will eventually have servitors in canon anyway with or without us.

It's a big waste. You are shooting a man who can yet fight and redeem himself.

Even Leman Russ said that penal service were preferable to executions.

>"There are those who undervalue the Penal Legions. But they should consider this: should a man who has wronged the Emperor be allowed to wrong him further? For each man executed is a man who can no longer serve, and to fail in service to the Emperor is the greatest of sins." ~ Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves Legion, Meditations on Imperial Command, Book XXI

Oh well. Guilliman was also the diplomat and highly charismatic. Despite having a large realm, he probably was very good at convincing worlds into compliance and crime rates in Ultramar would likely be low due to higher standards of living.

I'm sure we're probably going to get more penal material from other sectors of the Great Crusade. Like wherever the Night Lords, Iron Warriors or War Hounds go.

>>5497217
>Cheaper Guns
>Tutelage
>Land Raiders
I know I'm late to the thread but I still will vote it. It's a good idea. Even if he wont give us criminals to servitorize.

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Guilliman focused closely on his brother waiting for a response. The study of subtle inflictions, let it be through the eyes or the muscles that tensioned through the mouth. This would have been a practical practice when it came to normal humans, but the Primarch wondered if his brother was close enough to man anymore for anything to be gleaned from such study.

The assumption ended up being that no. All that Guilliman noticed was the ever subtle changes in the face as muscles spontaneously twitched from something that was crawling under his brother’s skin. These changes were not like an infliction or tell tale. They were instead permanent movements that if Guilliman did not see his brother before would never have been known.

Was it even now, while Guilliman was in the room, that TalOS was modifying his own body? Was he doing it because he thought Guilliman wouldn’t notice or maybe it was because these changes needed to happen now? That them being a time sensitive matter forced him to expose what might be a secret.

If TalOS knew what Guilliman thinks he knows, then it will be the latter. TalOS knows that his brother could see it but either does not care or cannot halt the transformation process during their time together. That was the Theoretical and it was sound.

“I can understand your reservations. By taking the manpower from you all possible outputs you have lost what they might have given to your civilization.” TalOS answered him with the cold calculation, “In return for the loss of manpower, it will be compensated at a one to one rate with additional arms as well as training for your Astartes in the Mysteries of Technology.”

That was a decent offer. The Practical was sound, the promise that Lucius will make up the loss in manpower with arms and armaments was the greatest of boons. To teach his Astartes as well, that would mean his men will have something above their brother Legions with the only exception being the 2nd itself.

But did Guilliman like the Practical? In his intellectual mind Guilliman took a step back and looked at the circumstances. The reason for this was simple, that he still felt a tinge of pain within his chest about considering these options. That he would validate them. Why? Why did he feel guilt?

Theoretical; it is because it does not set right with his creed.

His creed? Quickly he studied his memories and pulled up training in the ethics that both his Father and Mother both trained him in. The valuation of man and the loyal heart that one should have to their realm.

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‘Guilliman, I do not serve just the Senate. None of us do. The Senate is made of numerous interests all of which form the consensus of the Macraggian people. That is both my, and soon your goal, to the service of the people. King Tiberius learned what happens when you rule by tyranny, and it is a lesson that I know you will learn through tutelage, not experience.’

Yes, that was what his Father said. Guilliman in the end was a servant of Macragge and now he serves the Imperium. His interests are that of Macragge and vice versa, with his mind taught to keep him in line lest he deviate from that truth.

So that was the issue here. To agree to this is something that Guilliman could not accept because it is not in the interests of Macragge but the Mechanicum. As a Ruler Guilliman’s first and foremost duty was to protect his people from outsiders. Even if they are his brothers Guilliman should at least make sure he made the right choice.

In the end, can Roboute Guilliman walk to Tarasha and tell her that he sold off his own people for more guns and a few lessons from his brother. If Guilliman was not so large he knew for sure he would be spanked for even considering it. She might still try. At this point he would have let her have her way with him.

“My brother, know that I have taken much thought in this decision.” Guilliman started to try and not bruise the ego of his brother, “But I cannot let you have my people. They may be dissonants, ruffians, murderers, and rapists, but I cannot give them over for something that has no honor.”

“I see. Then we can set this aside for another time when we have more understanding of one another.” TalOS said without even batting an eye.

Guilliman almost let out a sigh of relief hearing those words. If the humors and temperament of his brother was any different that would have been a deal breaker. He was not senseless though. Indeed in the end his brother was getting a winning deal which was exactly what Guilliman wanted for his brother. The support Guilliman will be getting will cause a massive surge in both garrison and offensive abilities of his people.

The Primarch of the Thirteenth reached into his pocket and took out a small piece of paper, “I made this document to codify our agreement. Malcador has agreed to become the recorder of this, but first we must make the additions to the agreement as you have put forward.”

TalOS gave a small nod as a Servitor came over, “It will be a little longer, so let's open a Keg of B33R for the night.”

Guilliman looked at the barrel, feeling his senses wane as he came to a realization, “Yes, I would like some.”

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The taste of the B33R sadly did not contain the same experiences that was within the Corpse Starch that was provided to him earlier. Where he was saddened by that, he enjoyed that this meal actually had a reasonable taste to it.

The first thing you experienced was the chemical cocktail that formed the basis of the alcohol. It was not in fact alcohol, Guilliman knew, for the chemical tang was very different. There were mixes of water and carbon that were much stronger and needed that stronger gut to wrench free the materials from it. Add the amount of energy he was getting out of it and Guilliman realized that this must be how humans experienced their energy drinks. Yes, the sheer amount of calories that TalOS put into this were enough for an entire day’s work.

As for its effects on the mind, they were minor. Even with the sheer amount of industrial capacity that Guilliman could experience and all it did was cause a slight buzz of conscious dissonance in him.

At that moment he decided that he was fine being immune to alcohol. The idea that something so small could cause him to be easily swayed was a fear that quickly came into his mind. Such a fear he knew was drilled into him by his father, Konor.

As he placed the drink down the two of them looked over the text once more. The ratios and understandings within this document holding bounds of what was to be acceptable within their transactions in the future. As there will be a higher authority in the form of Malcador, this document will be binding for all intents and purposes.

“A full day’s work has been accomplished.” Declared TalOS as he happily slid the document into a folder that Guilliman had produced, “I will have my own copy for prosperity's sake, this will be the first step of our interactions as fellow regions.”

“Yes, TalOS, this is the first step towards a greater future for mankind.” Guilliman answered as he took a small sip.

“Then we shall dedicate a drink to Mankind, for all of its virtues and divine right to rulership.” His brother declared as he raised his glass like a tavern goer.

It was odd seeing a Primarch do it but Guilliman did not feel a need to not commit, “To mankind’s right to rule and its virtues.”

With a clank of the containers they drank.

>A gauntlet bolter
>Titan to defend Macragge
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
>Other Gifts
>No Gift

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility

Hit'em with something random.

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
have to pick this just because of my name.

>>5498419
>A gauntlet bolter
Shot and punch at the same time!

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>>5498419
>Other: A backup system for his father's quantum supercomputer
He has imparted us with his values, let us impart him with ours.

The Holy Books say "backup thy data". It is a value we live by, and the reason we protect STCs. We could hazard a guess that his father maintained the Federation system capital super computer on Maccragge

Let's advise he backup his data and give him the tech to do so. That way when Alpharius assassins blow it up he wont be so sad of all the lost history gone forever

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility

While i would love to give him a titan (since it would be a great political statement), giving Girlymann the data about Geneseeds are so much more efficient and worthwhile for both parties.

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility.

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Geneseed compatibility will be neat. How do you guys think Guilliman use it?

The ultramarines are the most stable geneseeds of all, few even falling to Chaos in 40k. The kind of geneseed you use to compare other space marines with to verify purity.

>>5498467
actually their tied with the dark angles. the imperium just prefer to use the ultramarines because the dark angles are sketchy as hell. and depending on who you ask the luna wolves had the purest geneseed pre fall to chaos, being described as "reliably pure".

Can someone explain to me what the fuk is geneseed compatibility

>>5498538
IT would give the Ultramarines knowledge in finding new aspirants, giving them a higher success rate and wider general capability.

>>5498419
>>Titan to defend Macragge
>>5498540
I see. It would be amazing to see his numbers bolstered like this but.... I have a feeling anns choose this one because it's the cheapest one. And cheap SUCKs so I vote for the TITAN because COOL and GUNS and WARHOOORN

In fact, why don't we forward the geneseed research to malcador? This is something every legion I am looking at you traitor legions should get to bolster their numbers.

>>5498540
On a scale of:
>Sanguinius geneseed can turn mutants back into beautiful humans
To
>Russ geneseed rejects anyone who isnt from Fenris
What's the baseline ease of acceptance of TalOS astartes geneseed and how finicky is our aspirant acceptance rate.

>>5498651
Its one of the more stable ones with preferences for the willful. Those who do not have the willpower will go insane upon connecting with Particep Semper.

>>5498651
It's probably less that Sanguinius geneseed turns mutants back into humans, more like Sanguinius himself is the most mutated of all the Primarchs and his mutations overrides theirs. Which includes his preternatural beauty but also his thirst for blood, hidden rage, and psychic powers. The Blood Angel's pay for their wide acceptance rate with one of the most flaw prone geneseeds other than Magnus flesh change.

>>5498652
Now, when you say insane, is it a "Rip and tear" kind of insanity where they are still loyal or a "SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, MILK FOR THE KHORNFLAKES!" kind of insanity?

>>5498669
It could also just be regular insanity. Egos crushed into oblivion by the sheer will of a Titan like an unprepared princeps.

Just wanted to let you guys know that your thread archived in Do Your Best quest's archive under the wrong name and tags. Make sure to archive it again before the thread dies if you don't wanna lose anything

>>5498677
that is less insanity and more Ego-death which, if that is the case, means we can still use our soldiers as a way to grow geneseed and thereafter turn them into specialized combat servitors.

>>5498691
I think it's a good 'ol headbutting the walls untill your forehead cracks open and the bits and pieces spill outwards

>>5498691
We should do some reforms for servitors. Seeing Bobby say they were "without honor" when they are an important backbone to our auxilia is painful.
>>5498706
Ideally we screen applicants who have the willpower to be astartes ahead of time with rage stimulators. Those who seem less likely to handle it go on to become Acillians, those who can become Astartes. If they fail just before becoming a full Astartes they can be subdued and emotionally vaulted, to return home with honor or pursue other duties.

>>5498683
Again. Link pls and I will contact Lord Licorice.

>>5498683
I think someone is trolling Do Your Best, the Archive is there for Quest 11. Are you talking about this one?

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility.

>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility and what >>5498436 said.

>>5498419
>Other Gifts
A machine spirit for logistics and organization but its just Excel or something similar

>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
>A backup system for his mega computer

I figure that each is a worthwhile gift.

>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
>A backup system for his mega computer
Ultramarines already have a stable geneseed. Plus these feel like more personal gifts. We may want to trade the geneseed compatibility for something later since its very valuable.

>>5498721
>>5498725
Maybe we should start archiving the new threads as soon as they are made.

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility

For machine gods sake don't give away a religious icon to an outsider, there is no precedent for it.
Titans are just not seen outside of their legions

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>>5499090
I would think if we sent any Titans and Princeps to Maccrage they would just become the foundation of Legio Praesagius, rather than Maccragge owing their Titan origins to Mars or Metallica.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Legio_Praesagius

We even share a similar Paintscheme with them. They would be brother Legio to Astorum, as we are brother to Guilliman.

Equally as important, we would boost the popularity of our clearly superior Lucius Pattern Titans over the Mars Patterns.

>>5498419
>>Titan to defend Macragge
>>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Agree with Nano on this one, we gotta propagate our Lucian variants and continue to dab on inferior monkey-spec Martian products.

>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Fuck Mars. Martian products are for poorfags who can't afford our better product line.

>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge

It's neck and neck at this point. Out of all the votes this one I would not mind making a combo. Just know that it's giving a lot of stuff to Guilliman and not the others. So I would need votes confirming the combo since that in itself affects perception.

>>5499371
Bob's plot armor is so strong it's even affecting quests to shower him with gifts for no IC reason

>>5498434
Changing to
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Since no one else wants that

>>5499371
do we even know about bob's dad's super computer if not the back-up votes might be invalidated.

>>5499371
Combo
I view it as an investment because if he builds up we get better trades

Here's a count

Geneseed: 7 or 9
>>5498421
>>5498426
>>5498437
>>5498442
>>5498751
>>5499090
>>5499378
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Backup (do we even know about it?): 1 or 4
>>5498436
>>5498773 *
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *

Titan: 3 or 8
>>5498553
>>5498769
>>5499189
>>5498773 *
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Titan and backup: 3
>>5498773
>>5498937
>>5498996

Titan and geneseed: 2
>>5499124
>>5499139

A spreadsheet: 1
>>5498856

>>5499383
The same could have been said about our other brothers, specially Dorn since he had a space empire and plans on building while conquering.
So why would Bob gets special treatment, other then we know OOC that he makes the realm of Ultramar?

>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge

>>5499375
>>5499371
>>5499378
Oh, it this was a vote for me opposing a combo.
I don't mind either winning, but only one thing.

>>5499371
I'm against it being a combo.

my vote is for
>no combo.

>>5499386
you put a geneseed and back-up in the titan slot. specifically >>5498773

>>5499398
Thanks for catching that

Geneseed 10
>>5498421
>>5498426
>>5498437
>>5498442
>>5498751
>>5499090
>>5499378
>>5498773 *
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Backup 4
>>5498436
>>5498773 *
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *

Titan 8
>>5498553
>>5498769
>>5499189
>>5499390
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Spreadsheet 1
>>5498856

Geneseed + Backup 1
>>5498773

Titan + Backup 2
>>5498937
>>5498996

Titan + Geneseed 2
>>5499124
>>5499139

1 gift
>>5499392
>>5499398

2 gifts
>>5499383

>>5499375
The IC reason is that out of all our brothers we stand to profit a lot from good relations, it's Rob. TalOS is a perceptive Primarch who can figure out what each of us as tools are probably built for. Roboute is the empire building specialist tool more than Dorn who is a defensive specialist, and has other similarities such as desire to see a return of Federal glories. There's also good reason for TalOS to know the 500 worlds since it's pre-age of strife and he was given information from Malcador and also would study Federation history since we style ourselves their successor.

Careful now, the perspective shift might end us with Roboute Guilliman Quest #1 next thread

>>5499371
I'd rather not combo then, I'll stick with a titan.

>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Titan would be cool, but we gotta one up Fabius by clowning on his geneseed understanding.

Gotta show that broke ass atheist the blessing of the machine go

So sadly, its looking like I won't be able to release a post here tonight because of other obligations. Things were too close at lunch for me to do a pre-write and I spent extra time at work explaining stuff to a customer. Sadly this is the case but nothing I can do about it.

>>5498419
>Titan
I like the idea of Astorum being brothers to Ultramars Legio.

>>5499582

That's fine QM, you got to focus on real life stuff before the quest after all ;)

>>5499497
We have so many advantages on Guilliman even if we give him the geneseed compatibility (which we've been using for decades + having two space marine types instead of one, with the possibility of a third type of super soldier) that nothing short of getting purged or fucked up in the xenocides would let him catch up. Then we just do the smart thing and not get fucked up in the xenocides, just like Guilliman did.

Geneseed Compatability
>>5498421
>>5498426
>>5498437
>>5498442
>>5498751
>>5498773
>>5499090
>>5499378
>>5499534

Bolter Gauntlet
>>5498434

Tech Backup
>>5498436

Titan
>>5498553
>>5498769
>>5498937 -
>>5498996 -
>>5499124 -
>>5499139 -
>>5499189
>>5499390
>>5499587

Excel
>>5498856

9&9 for Titan V. Geneseed if I counted correctly. Those marked are asking for combo.

>>5498419
>>Titan to defend Macragge
>>A backup system for his mega computer
I agree with fostering a brotherly legio to Astorum on Ultramar and a personalized gift to Guilliman. Save the geneseed-compatibility as a powerful bargaining chip.

>>5500248
This will shoot Titans ahead!

>>5498419
>Geneseed Compatability

>>5500299
Too late.